Two Main Problems Jehovah’s Witnesses Must Face

The Two Main Problems Jehovah’s Witnesses Must Face in Time

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What this article will explain is that there are two major problems with Jehovah’s witnesses, one is easier to eventually fix than the other. And we have a REPEATING prophecy development which is to be outlined to conclude this article, which first becomes visible as activating even now in the modern JW apostasy development (Dan8:13-14; Zech3:1-3) and all the actual globalism-sovereign-development details apostate GB-worshiping Jehovah’s witnesses are now covering up and distracting attention away from especially since 1990. Since these two conditions are related, the criminal lawlessness which guides Jehovah’s witnesses ministry by means of a self-appointed actually illegal Governing Body is developing criminality in spiritual and secular dimensions while covering up the progress of prophecy along the eventual objective of the globalization process as it is revealed in prophecy.

Criminal Lawlessness is Hard to Fix

1. The harder to address problem in the now criminally backed JW ministry is the Governing Body tyrannically enforced lawless policy context practiced by JWs for a global-reproach which has also transformed JWs into a globally increasingly known gang of spiritual-bandits helping the GB steal people’s wealth and faith— that problem is not so easy to fix, it will require the judgment aids from beyond human and its clarifying aftermath. (Dan8:13-14; Zech3:1-9; Rev8:1-12; Matt22:1-14, etc) In addition, making this more difficult, is the GB and JWs by means of this now terminal criminal record will leave what remains of the then cancelled JW ministry with a horrible, sordid and criminal reputation on the global record which will cause problems with the credibility of the eventual prophecy rectification summary, even after the GB and JW Organization are desolated.

Prophecy Error is Easier to Fix

2. Driven by the same “Governing Body” and corporate style of “rule by committee”, a “committee” of criminals by the way, there are some prophecy errors and glitches which undermine faith in the former prophecy framework. These can be fixed more easily, to be aided by the judgment context as well, because the correct matching patterns in this very JW apostasy (Dan11:30-32a) and the world sovereign-development it now covers up fully since 1990 3rd United Nations global-presentation are all very logical when applied to known erred prophecy in Daniel 8 and Daniel 11:27-45 which are actually descriptions of advanced globalization systems in a progressive maturation to a world government— not the national-system “nation-state” entities the former errors in interpretation have allowed the Governing Body to merely keep extending into modern diversionary deception. 

In relation to the 607BCE-1914 CE retained error a SIMPLE historic-based adjustment  fixes the glitch in that 607 Jerusalem destruction date+event error. All these notable apostasy and cover-up patterns (Dan8:12) are already present in prophecy AND the record of the modern Jehovah’s witnesses organization which will aid the rectifying summary when it does manifest— the GB is merely purposely ignoring them to continue to lead JWs like Lemmings into clear apostasy and error, and eventually, worse. Thus, the worse it gets in the JW ministry with criminal activity becoming globally known, the more it is able to be matched to the final apostasy prophecy (Dan11:30-32; Dan8:12) which must be concealed by the apostate Governing Body of Frauds for obvious reasons. The drawback is the criminal activities of JWs are turning many people away from God in global stumbling (Dan11:32-35; Dan 11:40b) and reproach which will undermine the rectification phase credibility.

(And please note, this modern JW focused clear terminal apostasy is faith-strengthening when you KNOW it is fulfilling modern apostasy prophecy right in front of our eyes, a prerequisite signal apostasy (2Thess2:1-4, Dan11:30b-32a, Dan8:11-13) which always leads to a judgment as in times past (Hosea1: 4-7), in this case the final temple judgment cycle that ignites the whole final seven trumpet final full Revelation 8-11 fulfillment cycle of the future— along with its seven plague parallel global-developmental context prophecy. (Rev15-16)) The prophecy of apostasy concerning the Governing Body “man of lawlessness” in the JW ministerial context is made doubly certain because the apostasy prophecies of Daniel 8:11-14, 23-25 and Daniel 11:30-35 manifest with globalist “king” developments towards world government from the post Cold War fall of the USSR context when globalization progress greatly accelerated to recognize the “King Fierce of Countenance” and “King North” must be convergent with 8th King globalism based progress towards world government.

That being the case, the Governing Body rogue-apostate authority while clearly lawless and apostate are also aiding the diversion of the prophecy in erred dead ends which advance nowhere but to reinforce the fear-hyped deception for their premature “the end of the world” current forecast while concealing the true intent and nature of the globalization process towards eventual complete world government which is also where the prophecy tracks that development as the trigger-development of the Christ arrival of the future.

Retained Prophecy Error

(2 Thessalonians 2:9-12) But the lawless one’s presence is according to the operation of Satan with every powerful work and lying signs and portents 10 and with every unrighteous deception for those who are perishing, as a retribution because they did not accept the love of the truth that they might be saved. 11 So that is why God lets an operation of error go to them, that they may get to believing the lie, 12 in order that they all may be judged because they did not believe the truth but took pleasure in unrighteousness.

As we see in the above, what begins as an operation of error becomes the lie in time. By leaving all global development meanings unexplained in relation to real prophecy for decades in lieu of the Governing Body Show Stall, purposely ignoring new globalism development meanings matching prophecy, the former errors of Fred Franz interpretations soon become purposely covered-up prophecy by modern GB lies; that is, these prophecies could have been updated with convincing evidence on the final objective of globalism, but they have been ignored by the liars in the WTBTS (Rev2:2). 

These errors are in specifically Daniel 8 and 11 in JW print since 1957-58 and more recently in the 1999 “Pay [ZERO] Attention to Daniel’s Prophecy” book, which were former interpretation attempts made prior to the modern period when globalism system developments toward world government became widely known as they must define the final 8th King and King North prophecy symbols as synonymous. Today by organized purposeful ignorance, the Governing Body of Jehovah’s witnesses have concealed prophecy fulfilling upon the globalization to world government meaning into outright lies of a ministerial cover-up campaign managed by the Governing Body of Jehovah’s witnesses, while they also spiritually subvert Jehovah’s witnesses as in Daniel 8:12. 

Thus, in hindsight, the WTBTS/GB partnership with the UN System is more than just a UN NGO, they continue to omit modern UN prophecy fulfillment and progress to signal complete world government from the JW ministry for a stumbling campaign of modern JW criminal lawlessness instead. And now by means far more direct than the UN NGO function, the WTBTS are UN consultants aiding UN IGOs lobby for UN all over the world, as with the OSCE in Europe. Thus, when the UN disassociated JWs from the UN NGO, JWs did not hop off the wildbeast. Rather, they continue to ride the wildbeast as now full-blown organized UN lobbyists for world government.

Due to this clear GB led treason, now Jehovah’s supposed witnesses do more to cover up modern prophecy in allegiance and blind-obedience to their sin-infested Governing Body of Liars (Rev2:2), while playing the premature “end of the world” deception instead, which is misleading and deceptive. (2Thess2:1-2) As Jehovah’s witnesses attempt to convince people in their ministry the world could end tomorrow— which is now a lie, as the prophecy must run the full course instead, they ply the same blind-confusion of the world to their ministerial audience susceptible to this hyped up use of fear and anxiety for controlling purposes. (Matt24:6; Luke21:9; 1Thess5:1-3)

When the Music is Over and the Lights Finally Come On in JWLand

But what is being covered up now in grand manner by the GB and JWs, will come out with more force, attention and focus when it does emerge over the rubble of the soon-to-be desolated JW Organization (which marks the desolation requirement of Daniel 8:13 modern temple judgment prophecy), and much of that attention due to the colossal scale of the global-bad-reputation JWs have built for themselves by GB lead. That is, what is coming up in a final global “sword stroke” context globally which seems as “doomsday” by many (“as if slaughtered to death” Rev13:3), will instead “heal” globally into the full and completely globalized “8th King” “King North” World Government entity— the terminus of all sovereign prophecy this whole time! True, it must become the “tribulation of those days” phase of Matthew 24:29-31 in the Daniel 11:42-43 King South 7th King subservience by sword-stroke context, but it is not “the end” as Jesus stated at Matthew 24:6, it has to recover into an 8th King King North World Government and its global-final-mantra of a proclaimed “world peace” (1Thess5:1-3) with that recovery phase along with the signal deposition of Babylon the Great under complete world government. 

There is an example of how the GB retains the error that “Babylon the Great is destroyed first and next” contrary to the clear prophetic sequences of Revelation 16:17-20, Revelation 17:11-18 which clearly shown in the prophecy timeline that Babylon the Great is deposed at the end of the global process, after world government is complete as the official legal deposing entity.

And what makes this even more believable even now, but doubly so in the future, is that same “world-war-to-world-government-presentation” pattern which has been used after WW1, WW2 and Cold WW3, MUST BE REPEATED in the future. It also must become the same general pattern of distraction-to-enlightenment spiritually, over a global-crisis context activating, maturing and passing which is the overall pattern global-context which also occurred in 1914-1918 period to the 1919-1922 period with World War 1. This is the manner in which the International Bible Students Association (IBSA) active-ministry emerged from the World War 1 crisis and global-distraction and began to enlighten many (Dan12:3) by explaining in clearer convincing updated manner more and more about the prophecy after the fact through the 1920s and after for decades up until this modern JW apostasy once again took a detour into diversion . 

That is the IBSA ministry, unbeknownst to itself at the time, began a “Kingdom Proclamation” in 1914 which spanned a distracting World War 1 context which resulted directly with the fulfillment of the post-WW1 “image of the wildbeast” presentation to fulfill the Revelation 13:11-15 (Dan7:25, Dan12:7, Rev11:2-3, Rev12:6, Rev13:5) signal prophecy of the time in that globalist League of Nations global-presentation as the first clear step to a world government managed “new world order” eventual; wherein the League is the “image” and nucleus representative of world government progressing over time into the eventual full “8th King” meaning of a complete world government of the future.

That same pattern is what the modern JW apostate ministry will go down into in the future global “sword-stroke” crisis, but the requirement of Revelation 10:11 and Revelation 11:2-3 is that a final open salvation fronted Kingdom Proclamation for the Messianic Kingdom maturing entity must also make an announcement in this global-crisis period, that is why there are TWO “witnesses” representing TWO witnessing periods in Revelation 11. That final witnessing ministry must give warning of the ramifications of 8th King World Government which is what will manifest from the crisis when it resolves, as it did in WW1, WW2, and Cold WW3, into that UN centered “image” of the complete world government “8th King” entity. This time, rather than just a League of Nations or United Nations “image of the wildbeast” presentation, this time in the future it must mature into the complete “scarlet wildbeast” world government “8th King”  “King North”.

The Main Prophecy Pattern of 1914-1918 and 1919-1922 REPEATS in Exact Global-Crisis-Context Form in the Future Towards Complete “8th King” “King North” World Government

Now what will be easier to see as we move forward, is this final cycle of Revelation REPEATING prophecy will also, in time, manifest a final “Kingdom Proclamation” in another, for now unknown, global-crisis context of the future to eventually resolve into the final WORLD GOVERNMENT actual entity in complete and stated form, along with its now familiar “United Nations” “image of the wildbeast” as one whole “abomination”— no matter how they may rebrand the then re-ascendant United Nations (impotent to prevent the final “sword-stroke”) image-entity of that time and the world government it will represent. (Rev17:11-13; Rev11:7 future final wildbeast “ascension”). 

This same global-formula of WW1 was also used after WW2, and the Cold WW3, to result in historic global UN presentations after those wars in 1919, 1945 and 1990— so the formulaic pattern of  “world-war-to-world-government-presentation” is well tested and to be present finally in 4 cycles, predicting a fourth global-cycle use of this formula is now self-predicting, it is plainly logical now how this formula works. The IBSA and JWs did explain the first 2 United Nations related presentation meanings as prophecy after the 1920s and after 1945— but they ignored the 1990 post Cold World War 3 cycle by the lead of their apostate Governing Body, thus breaking the now actual UN1-2-3 prophecy continuum to the eventual UN4 global-presentation of the future, as overall UN1-2-3-4 in history. The United Nations is the globally-presented representative global “image” of an eventual complete world government as its international nucleus, “image” of— even though world government itself is larger than the UN, the UN being only its “executive branch”. Complete world government must also have an all-controlling corporate administered financial and military power-sectors at global monopolized scale. (Dan11:42-43; Rev17:8-18).

Comparison of 1914 and Future Prophecy Replication Patterns

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Now we can see how the 1914-1918, 1919-1922 global pattern and prophecy pattern of “world-war-to-world-government” principle is to be repeated in the future. It must become the same global-pattern of the “sword-stroke”-to-“healing”-to-“world government” pattern, that same “world-war-to-world-government” principle and pattern, but in the future in full Christ triggering final global-sovereign form of complete 8th King King North WORLD GOVERNMENT. It is what the Governing Body of Jehovah’s witnesses have been concealing fully since 1990.

Two Witnesses for Two 1260 Days Patterns as 2520 Days as Final “Seven Times”

The definitive logic for Revelation’s main prophecy of spiritual and global event gauging sevens in trumpets and plagues REPEATING next for two fulfillments is in the logic of the TWO witnesses prophecy of Revelation 11; (Rev10:11). There are TWO “witnesses” because there are TWO global Kingdom witnessings which must complete in also the final “seven times” “gentile times” principle but as 2520 DAYS when both 1260 days periods are completed since 1914-1918’s 1260 day manifestation ended up leading to the future final 1260 days “last witness” Kingdom Proclamation of the “TWO witnesses” “final witnessing” for eventually two global witnessing periods. That is also how we know the same 1914-1918 (Dan7:25; Dan12:7; Rev11:2-3; Rev12:14; Rev13:5) and 1919-1922 (Dan12:11) timings and patterns will repeat in the future along the same prophecy continuum and along the same Kingdom proclamation plot, but in final form this time. This time, due to JW terminal apostasy, the Daniel 8:13-14 temple judgment events and timing precede the “final witnessing” 1260 days of the “Two Witnesses” of Revelation 11 for a signal temple judgment, desolation and cleansing preceding preparation. Fixing JW errors is what must occur to actually announce a valid prophecy update.

The JW Prophecy Fix Basics

Revelation’s First Fulfillment

The current Revelation prophecies from the Rutherford to Fred Franz era are accurate in the principle of what they explain as far as a sovereign time limit warning to be given fully before the Christ arrival into complete 8th King world government and the meaning of the timed period of 1260 days in Revelation 11:2-3, Revelation 12:6 and Revelation 13:5 as that did occur in the “first witness” 1914-1922 phase. But those dated Revelation commentaries do lack a complete clear connection to the globalist system meaning as the target world government “8th King” development as the single future terminus of all structured sovereign prophecy timelines over history since Babel of Genesis 11’s time to the eventual full “scarlet wildbeast” world government along with its UN “image” as one whole in the future. 

In addition, the final Revelation cycle is about the judgment from God on the apostasy in Jehovah’s witnesses to manifest in the future in Revelation 8-9”s judgment-to-recovery final fulfillment as parallel of Zechariah 3:1-5, Malachi 3:1-5, Daniel 8:13-14 and 1Peter 4:17. This means “Christendom” is not the priority, the JW apostasy has out-sinned them and takes higher priority in the final Revelation fulfillment— and this is also why the GB remains silent about their own apostate reality and that of the JW ministry they mislead and due to that when the judgment is complete they will be revealed and exposed in full detail. (2Thess2:3-4)

The Daniel 2,8,11-12 Decoys

But it is the errors in Daniel 2, 4, 8 and 11-12 which are the most serious in the current overridden JW theology framework, they are all applied to nation-state entities which must be overcome by the forces of the ascendant globalization system (Dan11:42-43) so the errors in those Daniel prophecies are very deceptive, outdated and misleading now. Since the nation-state “old world order” system is matured and in retrograde conditions, the GB keeps JWs focused on this national governance system because it aids the idea that it is pretty much over for the nation-state as the “end all” of prophecy which supports the premature “end of the world” expectation among Jehovah’s witnesses. By ignoring modern globalization to come into its zenith in world government in time, the GB bypasses the realization that much more must fulfill in prophecy in a final epic period.

The Daniel 2, 8 and 11 prophecy symbols equate in final form as synonymous with the progress of globalization completion (Rev16:13-16) and its end objective of 8th King world government to its complete globally ruling form of the future as parallel with Revelation 13 and 17 prophecies of the same terminal future sovereign development into the globalization-process completion. In the future, those meanings of the world government objective of the globalization completion process (Dan11:42-43) will actually nearly explain themselves as the coming JW “the end of the world” must fail into that above world government final-progression reality instead, and JWs will either remain in the ashes and rubble of the WTBTS, or they will apply the by then no-brainer final fixes. In any event, some ministerial body will make these final adjustments, we will have to wait and see how JWs react to their final fail and WTBTS GB engineered downfall. (Rev10:5-7; Rev11:3)

The Daniel 2 Stall

(Rather than remain stalled at the final national-system element in Daniel 2’s “immense image” in the Anglo-American nation-state bloc and the “feet and toes” as JWs examine them with a microscope ascertaining nothing, the WHOLE Daniel 2 “immense image” is merely also a whole symbol of a complete whole world government synonymous with all the other globalized final symbolic “Kings” of Daniel 8 (King Fierce) and 11 (King North) and Revelation 17 (8th King).)

The question is, how long into the JW Org dissolving desolation (Dan8:13) will it take JWs to figure out “the end” only came for the apostate JW organization and the GB cancelled JW ministry complete with a “the end is here!” “hard-hitting judgment message” to be sallied forth by misled Jehovah’s witnesses in grand 2Thessalonians 2:1-2 manner? How long will it take misled and betrayed Jehovah’s witnesses of the future to realize THE WORLD IS NOT ENDING along that fraudulent GB premature forecast timeline? 

The temple judgment inception prophecy of the future in Daniel 8:13-14 and its timing gives us a clue as to timing, but its cryptic in nature. Daniel 8:13-14 can mean 1150 days or 2300 days of total temple judgment desolation to cleansed recovery. Thus, we will have to wait and see what transpires as it occurs in the future upon the apostate JW ministry and criminal organization while beginning the Daniel 8:13-14 timing upon a notable anti-JW Org and JW ministry event or events.

The Daniel 4 Dilemma

Daniel 4, currently being undermined and discredited by the persistent GB fictional “time travel machine” mindset that Jerusalem was destroyed in 607 BCE, rather than its historic downfall under Babylon in 586-587 BCE, actually has an easy fix— just shift the 607 BCE benchmark to the ascension of King Nebuchadnezzar and Babylon in that “gentile” timeframe— which is the very meaning of “gentile times” to be based on gaugable gentile history timelines. When we see JWs’ date+event error in that Jerusalem destruction event 607 BCE timing is not a total chronological botch, we see another date+event applied to the actual “GENTILE time” history in the Babylonian ascension in world power, did occur in the 609 BCE to 605 BCE timeframe. That timeframe is far more believable than JWs current “re-writing of the history books” in their version of the dating of the Jerusalem destruction event (and, subsequently all timings before it), with its delusional, widely ridiculed, 20 year glitch the GB and JWs still try to promote in spite of the massive—MASSIVE— global evidence to the contrary.

Thus, the real “gentile” based 607 BCE benchmark can be adjusted for  the 607 BCE valid “gentile times” start point based on the crown-prince-to-coronation phase of King Nebuchadnezzar, which in 20 years approximate time from ineption led to the eventual and real Jerusalem destruction date of 586 BCE. That adjustment still keeps the valid “seven times” for both the time-limit of 70 years “seven times” upon Babylon’s existence which was ended by the Medo-Persians and Cyrus the Great in 539-537 BCE, as foretold, and the 70 years “seven times” of Jerusalem’s “trampling” BUT they do not have to be strictly concurrent progressions as will be shown. And, that “trampling of Jerusalem” is marked in the most significant physical “trampling” of the Judean Kingly Line from God; the destruction of the Jerusalem Temple in 586 BCE to its rebuilding in 515-516 BCE (Zech4, 6:9-15)— also a 70 years, “seven times” prophecy gauged span of time which is no “coincidence”. 

In that manner, it is the Babylonian ascension of power in 607 BCE which still marks the beginning of the “seven times” 2520 years “appointed times of the nations”, Jerusalem’s “trampling” intrigues in physical form did begin in 586 BCE. But if physical human kings of Judah must be “trampled” as well, it is historically known since King Josiah was felled at the Battle of Megiddo by an Egyptian archer under Pharaoh Necho II in 609 BCE, the divine kings of Judah began to be “trampled” from that time, as well— in a succession of “trampling” of all those last kings of Judah from King Josiah (609 BCE) to King Zedekiah (586 BCE). As proof, the death of King Josiah led to the incarceration of the Judean successor King Jehoahaz under the Egyptians whose reign was but three months as he died in Egyptian captivity, which was at the same time period as Babylon’s final domination drive over Egypt, . 

Those four Judean Kings after Josiah, in Jehoahaz (Shallum) Jehoiakim (Eliakim), Jehoiachin (Jeconiah), and Zedekiah (Mattaniah) were all vassal kings of either Egyptian King Necho II (Jehoahaz, Jehoiakim) or of Babylonian King Nebuchadnezzar II (Jehoiakim, Jehoiachin, Zedekiah). And, in that historic-transition into the prophecy-marked  “Babylon” “gentile” ascendant role over both Egypt and Assyria, and most importantly over Jerusalem in recorded history, Babylon is the main “gentile” symbol and figure in this “gentile times” history and prophecy of that era, still having its spiritual effects today. That means it is only fitting that Babylon’s ascension and history should mark the beginning of the “GENTILE times”; though important, Jerusalem was not “gentile”, their intrigues merely unfold in that “gentile times” marked context. 

In spite of the revolts of those last three kings of Judah, Jehoiakim, Jehoiachin, and Zedekiah, all three of those final kings of Judah were “gentile” controlled, which eventually led to the Jerusalem destruction event of 586 BCE in the time of King Zedekiah’s revolt. All three of those kings were placed, sometimes named, attempted to be vassalized, threatened with siege (605 2nd Ref), or besieged (597, 587) and then respectively deposed by “gentile” kings in that Egyptian-to-Babylonian regional power transition of 609-605 BCE to the 597 BCE siege, to the final fall of Jerusalem in 586 BCE for that time in history. In that sense the “trampling” of the divine Judean line of Kings does originate from the 609-605 BCE era, allowing that “seven times” of at least 70 years to  also be accounted for from that historic vantage point and “trampling” definition plus a little extra temporal-cushion for good measure. 

Just as an interesting side note, Jehoiakim was a compliant vassal-king under Babylon from 608 BCE to 605 BCE according to history, as Daniel stated this about the 605 BCE siege of Jerusalem due to Jehoiakim’s first revolt, apparently:

(Daniel 1:1-7) 1 In the third year of the kingship of Jehoiakim the king of Judah, Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon came to Jerusalem and proceeded to lay siege to it. 2 In time Jehovah gave into his hand Jehoiakim the king of Judah and a part of the utensils of the house of the [true] God, so that he brought them to the land of Shinar to the house of his god; and the utensils he brought to the treasure-house of his god. 3 Then the king said to Ashpenaz his chief court official to bring some of the sons of Israel and of the royal offspring and of the nobles, 4 children in whom there was no defect at all, but good in appearance and having insight into all wisdom and being acquainted with knowledge, and having discernment of what is known, in whom also there was ability to stand in the palace of the king; and to teach them the writing and the tongue of the Chaldeans. 5 Furthermore, to them the king appointed a daily allowance from the delicacies of the king and from his drinking wine, even to nourish them for three years, that at the end of these they might stand before the king. 6 Now there happened to be among them some of the sons of Judah, Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael and Azariah. 7 And to them the principal court official went assigning names. So he assigned to Daniel [the name of] Belteshazzar; and to Hananiah, Shadrach; and to Mishael, Meshach; and to Azariah, Abednego.

It was in the minor Egyptian resurgence against Babylon in 601 BCE, after the Egyptian defeat at Carchemish in 605 BCE, that Jehoiakim mustered his final revolt as Babylon was distracted with the Egyptian thrust, which led to the 597 BCE Jerusalem siege in which timeframe he died, to be replaced by Jehoiachin whose reign lasted only 3 months and 10 days which led to the coronation of Zedekiah as the last sitting King of Jerusalem for that era on earth— which resulted in but more Jewish rebellion and then the grand finale Jerusalem siege and destruction of 586 BCE. 

The meaning of all these intrigues on the Judean kings since 609 BCE to 586 BCE even before total deposition, is that the “trampling” of the divine Judean line of kings was already in action, it did not require Jerusalem’s physical destruction to begin its “seven times” “seventy year” timing after all, that was all due to over emphasizing the Jerusalem destruction event among early IBSA and Jehovah’s witnesses. Likewise, the “seventy Sabbaths” did not necessarily have to be concurrent with that timeframe of the “trampling” of the Judean kingly line of Jerusalem. As for the Jeremiah 25:11-12 “you will serve the King of Babylon seventy years” sanction of God— that is what happened to the T in Timing, they did not serve Babylonian kings for 87 years of the Neo-Babylonian dynasty (as benchmarked on prophecy marked Nebuchadnezzar’s crown-prince-to-coronation and dynasty lineage inception point) as JWs claim! In that case, there is no “cushion”, the “gentile” Babylonian dynasty from King Nebuchadnezzar inception to Medo-Persian destruction was  “seven times” as seventy years. But from the time of 609 BCE to second temple completion of 515-516 BCE, there is plenty of time for all the seventy year requirements to be completed.

And, when we see that the overall timeline (from actually 609 BCE to second temple completion of 515-516 BCE) has enough cushion to accommodate all the seventy year requirements of the judgment prophecies, we see how the current JW debacle can be easily rectified and would have been from the time of Ray Franz, had the so-called “Governing Body” (since 1976) not been an unjust “Korah Class” apostate renegade cabal of treachery and kept this error in place at all costs. 

But, in any event, King Nebuchadnezzar and his marked Babylonian dynasty of “seventy years” as “seven times” in that principle as well, is what must mark the 607 BCE to 537 BCE first sovereign time limit of the “seven times” principle to also begin the further encompassing “appointed times of the nations” as 2520 years from 607 BCE to 1914 CE— A couple years of variance is far more workable than the current JW 20 year “time travel” fantasy of ridiculous fiction which the apostate Governing Body of Jehovah’s witnesses keeps in place to undermine the prophecy and people’s faith, while stumbling millions in the process. 

The “gentile times” must be based on gentile world histories, Jerusalem’s intrigues merely unfolded within that benchmarked and well recorded gentile historic timeline. By that simple fix, the current JW date+event error of their explanation of the timing and meaning of the Jerusalem physical destruction does not undermine the whole “gentile times” prophecy as it does today.

In 607/606, as crown prince, Nebuchadrezzar commanded an army with his father in the mountains north of Assyria, subsequently leading independent operations after Nabopolassar’s return to Babylon. After a Babylonian reverse at the hands of Egypt in 606/605, he served as commander in chief in his father’s place and by brilliant generalship shattered the Egyptian army at Carchemish and Hamath, thereby securing control of all Syria. After his father’s death on Aug. 16, 605, Nebuchadrezzar returned to Babylon and ascended the throne within three weeks. This rapid consolidation of his accession and the fact that he could return to Syria  shortly afterward reflected his strong grip on the empire.

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Nebuchadrezzar-II

Final Note on the WT Time Machine Fantasy

Jehovah’s witnesses have also been required to reinvent and rewrite all Bible chronology from 607 BCE all the way “back in time” in their own fuzzy theology and rubbery chronology to be able to graft in their fantasy timing of the Jerusalem destruction event. This insertion of approximately 20 years all the way “back in time” from 586 BCE actual events, backwards in time, causes ALL JW dates including and prior to 607 BCE to be at least 20 years “back in time” from the dates of the actual Biblical events including and prior to 607 BCE. That is, starting with the “607 BCE JW Time Shift” “back in time” all dates including and prior to 607 BCE in JW chronology are ALL at variance with the historic record in hundreds of occurrences, even thousands, as well as the notable chronologies of William Albright, Edwin Thiele, Gershon Galil, Kenneth Kitchen and Isaac Newton

You can check that first link of “notable chronologies” of the Kings of Judah chronology list and compare those dates with the JW fuzzy-dates on the WT Library CD to see how this JW “space time glitch” extends back into their own pre 607 fictional chronology all the way back to the “creation of Adam”. Thus, JWs cannot simply reinvent all dates including and prior to 607 BCE as JWs are now doing. Something is off, WAY OFF— and that something is the foretold illegal Governing Body criminal and rogue leadership. (Dan8:12; Dan11:30b; Dan11:32a; Zech3:1-3; 2Thess2:1-4) The only thing the Governing Body is actually “governing” is the attempted destruction of the Jehovah’s witnesses ministry.

 

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On the GB McFly Time Machine to 607 BCE “Jerusalem Destruction”

Jerusalem Exile=Destruction? 607 BCE versus 586 BCE Dating—All’s Good! All’s Well, Couldn’t Be Better!
https://jwupdate.wordpress.com/2015/11/17/607-bce-versus-586-bce-dating-alls-good-alls-well-couldnt-be-better/

Full Case for 607 BCE Adjustment to Nebuchadnezzar’s Babylonian Final Dynasty

“Seven Times” Updates Coming—”Appointed Times of the Nations” Reconsidered, Again
https://templelijah.wordpress.com/2016/06/04/appointed-times-of-the-nations-reconsidered-again-seven-seven-times-applications-initial-offset-and-extended-to-christ-arrival/

https://templelijah.files.wordpress.com/2016/06/appointed_times_of_the_nations_reconsidered_againe28094seven_seven_times_applications1.pdf

On 2520 Years Linking to Revelation 2520 Days

“Jerusalem” WILL BE Trampled by the Nations 2520 DAYS
https://jwupdate.wordpress.com/2017/01/11/jerusalem-will-be-trampled-by-the-nations-2520-days-as-seven-times-update-on-revelation-11/

 

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JW Self Fulfilling Prophecy Agenda Part 1

JW Self Fulfilling Prophecy Agenda Part 1–The JW-GB Pied Piper

Self-fulfilling prophecy description

A self-fulfilling prophecy is a prediction that directly or indirectly causes itself to become true, by the very terms of the prophecy itself, due to positive feedback between belief and behavior. Wikipedia

What will be covered here is just a portion of the GB Magical Flute Future Agenda they have been programming JWs with, especially since 2011, in a very interspersed manner in various JW publications and videos— but the point is, the GB-Pied-Pipers are planning to lead the JW-Lemmings somewhere not good. (Thus, Matthew 24:15 flight from JW Org deathtrap is recommended)

The premise is, the JW “Expected Future” is being laid out by the GB under a deceptive misleading guise of the future of the “world’s end” in their purposefully deluded and misarranged prophecy forecast which will end up failing, but can be used to lead JWs to capture. But the pretext will actually have JWs thinking “the end’ is here— for a little while and how long it takes JWs to understand the end is not arriving as soon as they planned is open to speculation. (Rev13:3; 2Thess2:1-2)

Many people are surprised to find out the GB has some “new light” they do not actually call “new light”. They have prepared a surprisingly detailed “self fulfilling prophecy” itinerary for “the end of the world” for JWs with some very odd updates which will be covered below from the Watchtower Study Edition issues of November 15, 2013 and July 15, 2015 as samplings of this new future JW agenda. Keep in mind, though the GB have “seen” NOTHING for several DECADES, this “light” now all comes out of the blue since 2011.

The GB has ascertained the JW Organizational downfall “siege” in amazing step by step detail now, all of a sudden and out of the total blue! And all that while not telling JWs this would be a new teaching, but it seems they desire it to sock into the JW Mindset with no new distractions anyways. (I think they do not call it “new light” because it may actually wake up JWs that something is clearly amiss, when we see just how “out of the blue” this “miracle” really is.)

For example, which should be news to JWs but is not, they have now lumped “JW Org downfall [next]”, along with the “Babylon the Great destruction” decoy pretext many JWs are now familiar with in that latter portion of well-over-advanced erred interpretation. What is strange is, in the past the JW ministry was to “go under attack” at the END of the prophecy as Ezekiel 38’s “Gog of Magog” sequence, NOT at the start of the global crisis period. But that shift in forecast is now what JWs are being taught all of a sudden— so this is new and suspect for a number of reasons, unless you know the GB is a Pied Piper for JW capture in the future— then it all makes perfect sense!

My theory is you can now “predict” the “JW Future” in step-by-step manner from their own GB “self fulfilling prophecy”; which is a well-concocted and yet jumbled prediction in an erred sequence with a FAKE “the end of the world” which comprises their own future forecast which is really an engineered “self fulfilling prophecy” by the GB Seers, go figure.

The purpose is to dissolve the WTBTS globally, cancel the JW ministry from the GB’s own mouth, because it is now all of a sudden “the end of the world” as the JW paralyzing cover strory-smokescreen, which will encourage JWs to do nothing, except obey GB Pied Piper final “life saving” directives.

1. Expect Strange GB “Crazy” Instructions


[A.] For example, consider this crazy GB Pied Piper directive NOW in the JW Noggin:

The Watchtower, quote (WT 11/15/2013, pg. 20, par. 17, #3):

“”Elders who are reading this article can draw some useful conclusions from the account we have just considered:…

[And sandwiched into the admonishment:]

(3) At that time, the lifesaving direction that we receive from Jehovah’s organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint. All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not.

THAT already sounds crazy to me folks.

Simplified Edition Wording:

(3) At that time, the direction that you receive from Jehovah’s organization may seem strange or unusual. But all of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether we agree with them or not, because obeying these instructions will save our lives.

Thus, JWs can expect future “strange, unusual and impractical” instructions on what to do and where to go from the GB Pied Pipers.

2. Expect JW Organizational Global Takeover


[B.] Now that crazy admonition in the above to obey the Org “as nuts as it may sound” is to be issued “at that time” timing of “a brief respite” in the JW Organizational “siege” as shown in the below. This was “revealed” a couple years later after the previous article’s insanity as part of the engineering of this overall JW “self fulfilling prophecy”:

The Watchtower, quote (WT 07/15/2015, pg. 16, par. 7-8):

6 How will God’s people fare at that time? Jesus explains: “In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short.” (Matthew 24:22) As we considered, in 66 C.E. the tribulation was “cut short.” This allowed “the chosen ones,” anointed Christians, to flee the city and its environs. Likewise, the initial part of the future great tribulation will be “cut short” because of “the chosen ones.” The political “ten horns” will not be allowed to annihilate God’s people. Rather, there will be a brief respite.

7 What will happen after the destruction of false religious organizations? It will be a time to reveal what is really in our heart. The majority of mankind will seek refuge in human organizations that are likened to “the rocks of the mountains.” (Revelation 6:15-17) Figuratively speaking, however, God’s people will flee to the refuge that Jehovah provides. In the first century, the interval was not a time for a mass conversion of Jews to Christianity. It was a time for action and obedience on the part of those who were already Christians. Similarly, we cannot expect that the future interruption in the great tribulation will result in an influx of new believers. Rather, it will be an opportunity for all true believers to prove their love for Jehovah and give their support to Christ’s brothers.—Matthew 25:34-40.

8 Although we do not fully understand all that will happen during that time of test, we can expect that it will involve some measure of sacrifice. In the first century, Christians had to leave behind their possessions and endure hardships in order to survive. (Mark 13:15-18) To remain faithful, will we be willing to experience material loss? Will we be ready to do whatever is required of us to prove our loyalty to Jehovah?

“”Figuratively speaking, however, God’s people will flee to the refuge that Jehovah provides.”” (WT 07/15/2015, pg. 16, par. 7-8)

Thus, JWs Lemmings are expected to be lemmings and go wherever the GB Pied Pipers may command them to go. How can that end well folks?

3. Expect JW Ministry “Official Cancellation” by GB Announcement


[C.] And so “at that time” JWs will take forth their soon-to-fail “the end is here” final laughing stock fail, as programmed in their heads here, then off to the “mountains” “JW Bunker” plan it seems:

WT quote (WT 07/15/2015, pg. 16, par. 9):

9 This will not be the time to preach the “good news of the Kingdom.” That time will have passed. The time for “the end” will have come! (Matthew 24:14) No doubt God’s people will proclaim a hard-hitting judgment message. This may well involve a declaration announcing that Satan’s wicked world is about to come to its complete end.
(WT 7/15/13 pg. 18, par. 12)

Thus is laid out the final prophecy fail JWs will ever engage in because only their apostate JW Organization must end, the world keeps moving forward into foretold world government which JWs have been concealing with the GB as long as they have been following that GB Pied Piper Svengali— a long, long time of being misled.

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Thus, this lays out from The Watchtower provided “1>2>3>THE_END” JW Self Fulfilling Prophecy exactly how JWs are being commanded by the GB Cabal to see the future unfold— but without an actual “end of the world” actually coming in prophecy or global-reality except for the JW Org World of terminal ministerial mega- apostasy. The way the GB knows all this is not from prophecy but from the enemy system as its partners, aids and insiders. (Dan11:32a; Dan8:12)

Therefore another major problem JWs will really experience over these few years of treachery upon them is the “end of the world” is only coming for JW Org as obviously the ministry will be cancelled in the above scenario amidst a JW Organizational dissolution attempt. The overall JW forecast has to fail for the final laughing stock error and to fulfill Daniel 8:13-14 which news, in time, will be quite contrary to the current GB Pied Piper messages.

A question is, how will JWs react as they start to “notice” the world is not ending, that it was just JW Org that was taken over?

Now there is more to this “self fulfilling prophecy”, but I thought I would share that strangeness as part 1.

WTBTS: 72 Years of NOTHING NEW

WTBTS: 72 Years of NOTHING NEW

One of the things that began to wake me up early that not all was well in the Jehovah’s witnesses ministry was the stalled nature of commentary on many global developments which have occurred after 1945 and World War 2.

Was I to believe God simply stopped tracking global “gentile” rival sovereign development towards a world government counterfeit of God’s Kingdoms for all this time of GB total SILENCE?

Thus, this short article will explain why there is nothing new being taught by the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses as far as signal prophetic progress since 1945, when in fact much modern prophecy has been fulfilling the whole time. And that silence is the “throwing truth to the earth” of this foretold “gradually given over”  subversion of the JW ministry at Daniel 8:12:

(Daniel 8:12) And an [JW] army itself was gradually given over [as this 72 years shows], together with the constant [feature], because of [JW and GB] transgression; and it kept throwing truth to the earth, and it acted and had success.

Now one thing developing is this GB centered apostate lead of Daniel 11:32a from and for the real King North Globalism powers:

(Daniel 11:32) “And those who are acting wickedly against [the] covenant (in JWOrg), he (8th King/King North Globalists) will lead into apostasy by means of smooth words. (The WTBTS “smooth words” and gradual subversion in the 8th King WT cover-up in the JW publications is part of the smoothly justified apostasy of modern Jehovah’s witnesses);

And first, that should be noted, these GB frauds are not about to start teachings JWs that they all are that apostasy being led by a King North Globalism development (2Thess2:1-4), not the USSR which they retain as a decoy error to ply the rest of the deception process, and now for well over 20 years since that 1990 3rd United Nations related event was concealed as this Daniel 11:31b prophecy:

(Daniel 11:30-31) “And he (8th King/King North) will actually go back and hurl denunciations against the holy covenant and act effectively (produces a successful operation Dan8:12b); and he (8th King) will have to go back and will give consideration to those leaving the holy covenant. (anointed core defection at Bethel aids internal 8th King access) 31 (Bethel subversion:) And there will be arms that will stand up (at Bethel; Dan11:41; Luke21:20), proceeding from him (8th King planners);  and they (collusion) will actually profane the sanctuary, the fortress, and remove the constant [feature]. 

“And they (team effort) will certainly put in place the disgusting thing that is causing desolation. (3rd UN placement, 1990; UN NGO, 1991, at Bethel; Matt24:15; Dan8:13 “transgression causing desolation”);

Thus, the actual progression of United Nations “place the disgusting thing” “image of the wildbeast” has not been furthered among JW explanations since the League of Nations and United Nations were explained as prophecy after 1920 and in 1945 after two world wars resolved into those UN-related “we shall ensure global peace and security” pitches. Thus, the use of a global crisis phase “sword stroke” to resolve IN ALL CASES (Rev13:3) into their prophecy-marked United Nations presentation is also ignored by the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses. This is no accident, it is prophecy— and no wonder the GB will not explain they are the modern signal apostasy leaders.

When JWs Dropped the UN-Prophecy Tracking Ball

Jehovah’s witnesses did expose the Revelation 13:11-15 first League of nations placement in 1919-1921, and they did expose the United Nations placement as Revelation 17:8-11 since after 1945. But in 1990, when a third world war cycle called the Cold War (Dan11:29 unique) also resolved into a United Nations placement 45 years into this current JW nap and after WW2 and 1945, in 1990, the GB said nothing.

Rather, they too “placed the disgusting thing” among Jehovah’s witnesses as UN NGO. (Matt24:15) The Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses, rather than explain then revived world government-designate prophecy, they instead adjoined the JW ministry to that United Nations as a UN NGO as an endorsing sell-out ministry and co-quoted “place the disgusting thing” statements in the Awake! magazine of September 8th, 1991.

(Matthew 24:15-16) “Therefore, when you catch sight of the (UN NGO; Dan11:31) disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken of through Daniel the prophet (modern Dan11:31 “disgusting thing that causes desolation” as parallel of Dan8:13 “transgression causing desolation”), standing in a holy place (in the claimant anointed Christian “constant feature” ministry as UN NGO), (let the reader use discernment,) 16 then let those in Judea begin fleeing to the mountains. (Because the JW Bethel desolation judgment for that UN NGO “transgression causing desolation” is near; 1Pet4:17; Dan8:13-14; Rev8:3-5);

When prophecy could have been revived in that 45 year lapse from 1945 to 1990, the GB went silent and partnered with the UN instead and thereafter ignored all modern globalization developments in corporate expansion and global geo-politics such as Global NATO, GWOT, 911, the 2008 Global Credit Crisis and everything else. Although globalization is the global force which “gathers the nations” into eventual 8th King world government and the Armageddon condition-global (Rev16:13-16; Zeph3:8; Joel3:11-18), the GB says nothing.

And though we have actually a prophetically connected UN1-2-3 progression since 1919, 1945 and 1990 leading to a 4th UN related phase as actual world government next, JWs are truncated at 1945 UN progress. They have dropped the ball.

Clueless JW FAKE “Armageddon” “End of the World” Deception Coming Up

And now that we could predict Globalist 8th King future use of a global crisis to “heal” and resolve into their final world government UN-related presentation as in the Revelation 13:3 “sword stroke heals” principle used the three previous times after WW1, after WW2, and after the Cold WW3 resolved, the GB says nothing acting clueless to make JWs clueless that we are heading into the final global crisis “sword stroke” phase and its preparatory UN presentation principle soon. (Rev13:3; Rev17:8-18;)

And now, rather than explain this next global crisis will also “heal” into this time full complete 8th King World Government, as it did the last three times all marked in prophecy in reality, the GB will simply tell JWs it is “the end of the world” so they can depose the JW ministry from their own mouths, attempt to dissolve the WTBTS globally (Dan11:41; Dan8:13; Rev8), all undercover of that final GB deception campaign which all this silence has actually led to.

Think this 72 years of nothing up at WTBTS is just coincidence? No, this apostasy is also in the prophecy in the very places that 1990 silenced 3rd UN presentation is in prophecy. (Dan8:11-14; Dan11:30-35) The real King North is the Globalism power-system of “8th King” world government on the way after this next global crisis also resolves as per a predictable formula not just from prophecy, but from the Globalists own record, World War to UN1-2-3 so far, including the Cold War phase. This is why the real Daniel 8:13-14 Temple Judgment events and its phased timing is what will actually manifest upon apostate JWs and JW Org globally as JWs think, in error as in 2Thessalonians 2:1-2, that it is “the end”. In time, JWs have to wake up (Matt25:1-13) and this is the event that will eventually do it.

After the GB is deposed by the “Angel of the Covenant” (Zech3:1-5; Rev8) in that global JW chaos coming, everything the GB has been silent on and covering up must be revealed as the final witnessing of them Revelation 11 TWO “witnesses” is what this rectification will lead to, in time, en route to 8th King world government and that global crisis, as in 1914 and WW1, will be a distracting context to try to obscure these facts. (The real Daniel 11:41-43) But they fail to stop the announcement, but they will also depose that final open salvation announcement ministry— but it will be a valid cleansed final announcement of God’s Kingdom. Rev11:3, Rev12:14, Dan12:7; Revelation 14:6-8

Sept 2018

How GB Fake “The End” Uses Erred JW Final Prophecy Sequence

How GB Fake “The End” Uses Erred JW Final Prophecy Sequence

Why can’t Jehovah’s witnesses understand modern zenith 8th King (King North) designate world government prophecy unfolding in their very faces?

1. They trust the Governing Body which is in a purposeful stall and subversion process of the final prophecy sequence. (Dan11:32a; Dan8:12);

2. That former JW prophecy interpretation sequence though in error is all they see;

3. JWs are tiring out, they want “the end” to be tomorrow— this premature fake “the end” expectation of 2Thessaloninas 2:1-2 appeals to their spiritual lethargy;

That current JW prophecy sequence error is why JWs expect the arrival of Christ for final Kingdom completion prematurely because that is all the GB hypes. The Governing Body has capitalized on every error JWs former prophecy interpreter Fred Franz has made. Worse, they do not fix it to the real final sequence as it became understandable after 1990 and the fall of the erred USSR which cannot be King North (Dan11:36c). The real King North meaning is the globalization “gather the nations” complex, same as the 8th King.

And what do those demon inspired utterances of Revelation 16:13-16 “gather the nations” into?

 

8th King/King North World Government, the final King North, King Fierce and 8th King meaning of final globalized sovereign rivalry with God’s Kingdom by means of a coming globalization completion which is to manifest after this next major global crisis coming up, “heals” into that final form of earthly sovereignty. (Rev13:3; Isa41)

1. The Governing Body will use this premature “the end” delusion taught by that GB among JWs of 2Thessalonians 2:1-2 to sell  that global crisis coming up AS IF “the end”; it will be a fake doomsday, a fake Armageddon— and it will smokescreen the real Daniel 8:13-14 “trampling” meaning of the JW ministerial organization downfall coming up in that global crisis context. (Dan11:41; Rev8) The final JW prophecy fail will be of that fake “the end is here!” final JW announcement in this apostate period. That JW fake “the end” will NOT resolve as per prophecy and basic globalization purpose logic— they must complete 8th King King North World Government before it can end. (Rev17:8-18)

2. By not fixing the King North Globalist System meaning of Daniel 11:31b (from that USSR error), but profaning and misleading JWs as per Daniel 11:31a and Daniel 8:12, the GB can use any dire developments that spin out of control with Russia as if King North revived in a USSR related entity in Russia.

Now what would that mean for JWs?

They would be misled to think Daniel 11:44 has activated which leads to the end directly. In reality, the Globalist real King North/8th King designate system has not yet fully pawned the “King South” (7th King) nations financially and in every other necessary means to fulfill Daniel 11:42-43. In addition, Daniel 11:41 is the coming JW Organization “invasion” and Daniel 8:13 “trampling” to accompany the GB “The End Hoax” development for:

1. The attempted dissolution of the JW Organization internationally;

2. The GB sanctioned “preaching work is done!” coup as if “the end”, which is an apostate Christian ministry only in the temple judgment desolation at that time; (Dan8:13-14)

3. The final JW discrediting prophecy MEGA-fail and the final stumbling salvo in this crisis period. (Dan11:32-35)

SPECULATION ON RUSSIA AS FUTURE DECOY KING NORTH BY GB DECEPTION

Now if you can see the potential value in the Russia King North Decoy for the purpose of reinforcing in the JW mind that “the end” must be here with any future serious trouble with Russia, then you can see these latest Cold War warming up scandals with Russia and Trump could be a set up for that final “sword stroke” to involve a Russian aggressive act which very possibly could lead to a final world war. (Rev13:3) We do not know. What we do know is if this occurs and Russia spins out of control for whatever reason leading to global conflict with the US, the GB will sell them as the “next King North” and at a prophecy placement well over-advanced in the Daniel 11 prophecy at Daniel 11:44.

In reality, it is Daniel 11:41-43 which is activating with a global crisis forming to define the “tribulation of those days” of Matthew 24:29-31 which results not in “the end”, but as per Revelation 13:3 into a global “healing” into 8th King King North World Government (the real Daniel 11:44-45; Dan12:7,11). And as Jesus said the end will not come with a period of global crisis and disorders or with a period of wars and reports of wars (Matt24:6; Lukie21:9). Instead, as in 1 Thessalonians 5:1-3 it comes with the 8th King Scarlet Wildbeast “World Peace” and “time of security” (Dan8:25) of that final world government mantra reinforced as Babylon the Great is deposed under world government, not before, as JWs are misled to believe. That real world peace and security comes with complete world government after this next global crisis resolves by design.

This is part of the reason Daniel 11:42-43 is very explicit in its King North 8th King globalization meaning of dominating the King South 7th King nation-state system in the future as it is stressed by this final global crisis coming up; A crisis that heals, a global crisis that JWs will think, for a while, must be “the end of the world”. But it will not be as JWs have been misled to believe, they have burned out too soon, they are not “enduring to the end” but taking a respite detour into a nap-time (Matt25:1-13). Instead, it has to lead to a cleansed ministry and a final global open salvation announcement and we have several zenith prophecy years remaining…

Daniel 11:42-43 Explicit in Coming 8th King Globalized Wealth Control
http://templelijah.wordpress.com/daniel-12/daniel-1142-43-explicit-in-coming-8th-king-globalized-wealth-control/

 

Prophecy Map to Christ Arrival, Final Global Prophecy Cycle and 4 United Nations Fulfillments to World Government; 2 Outlines

Prophecy Map to Christ Arrival, Final Global Prophecy Cycle and 4 United Nations Fulfillment to World Government Outlines

Final Global Prophecy Cycle:

Final Prophecy Continuum (Gauged on Seven Trumpets by Temple Judgment Time, Takes More Than a Decade from Temple Judgment Time)

I. Apostasy, Judgment, Accounting and Recovery of Jehovah’s Witnesses

Now: JW inspection (completing or complete; Zech3:1-5; 2Thess2:1-4);

Now: Bethel Apostasy and Lawlessness Signal of Judgment; (2Thess2:1-12; Zech3:1-3; Dan8:11-12; Dan11:30-35);

Next:

1. “Tribulation of those Days” Context Begins; (Matt24:15; Dan8:13; Dan11:41 (now), 42-43 (soon); Dan21:1b); Sword stroke of Rev13:3 initial context Dan11:41-43

2. 8th King Activates Daniel 11:42-45 Final Cycle; (Rev16:13-16; Rev17:11-18);

A. Daniel 11:42-45 Must Converge with Daniel 12 Final Fulfillment;

3. Jehovah’s Witnesses Temple Judgment Starts (1Pet4:17; Mal3:1-5; Dan8:13-14; Rev8:1-6; Matt25:1-13);

A. Temple is Desolated, Purified (Zech3:4-5) and Recovered (Rev9): Daniel 8:14 “Right Condition” Temple Purification Reached; (Dan8:13-14);

II. Recovery, Final Commission, Final Warning, Learning Application

1. Final Kingdom Ministry Commission; (Rev9-11; Zech3:6-7; Matt24:45-47);

2. Final Kingdom Invitation and Warning Deploys; (Rev9, Rev 11:1-6);

3. “Tribulation of Those Days” Context Ends (Matt24:29; Isa41:1) into:

A. Final Kingdom Warning Ceased; (Rev11:7-10; Dan11:44);

III. Rival World Government Completions of 8th King

1. World Government – National Sovereign Conglomeration Completes into 8th King World Government; (Rev16:12-16; Rev 17:11-18); BTG to be deposed before full “world peace” of 1Thess5:1-3;

A. 8th King World Government World “Peace and Security” and World Recovery; (Dan8:25; 11:44-45; 12:11; 1Thess5:1-3 globally stated world peace sovereignty; Dan8:25 “freedom from care” parallel; Isa41:1 world recovery);

2. Christ Arrival; Anointed Sheep Gathering, Earth Sheep Last* (Dan12:1, Matt24:29-31; 25:31-46; Rev11:11-13; Rev19:11-16; Rev1:7; Rev6:12-17);

A. Christ Completes Messianic Kingdom 144000; (Rev11:11-12; Rev7:1-8; Rev14:1);

B. Christ Messianic Kingdom King-Priest Coronation; (Zech4:6-9; 6:9-15; Dan7:26);

(All the following takes place under complete Messianic Kingdom “Court” of Daniel 7:26:)

C. Babylon the Great Deposed; (Rev16:17-19; Rev17:15-18; Rev14:8);

D. *Sheep Gathering/Goat Determination Finalized; (Mat24:31-46; Rev14:14-20);

3. Armageddon; 8th King Deposition and Messianic Kingdom Conquest; (Rev11:15; Rev19:19-21);

4. Christ’s Messianic Kingdom 1000 Years Rule

Four United Nations “Disgusting Thing” Prophecies:

Four 8th King UN Cycles to World Government – 1919-Future

UN 1. 1919 – Rev13:11-15 (Dan12:11 first fulfillment) as League of Nations after WW1;

A. International Bible Students Association (IBSA) explained as prophecy;

UN 2. 1945 – Rev17:8-11 as United Nations after WW2;

A. Jehovah’s Witnesses (JW) explained as prophecy;

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Unknown and unstated by UN NGO allied Bethel and Jehovah’s witnesses:
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UN 3. 1990 – Daniel 11:31b as United Nations “New World Order” Initiative after WW3 (Cold War) (Dan11:29);

A. Covered up by Bethel as UN NGO, not explained as prophecy by any religious group;

[We are Here…]

UN 4. Future – Daniel 11:45; Daniel 8:25; (Daniel 12:11 last fulfillment) as United Nations and World Government after 4th world tribulation/war cycle to come.

A. Not currently explained by Bethel in lieu of a premature “end of the world” deception. (2Thess2:1-2)

B. To be explained after the JW temple judgment desolation, purification and removal of lawless Bethel engineered subversion (2Thess2:1-4; Dan11:30-31; Dan8:11-13);

Revelation 19 “Great Crowd in Heaven” compared to Revelation 7 “Great Crowd” in Prophecy Clues

Revelation 19 “Great Crowd in Heaven” compared to Revelation 7 “Great Crowd” in Prophecy Clues

To understand how the “great crowd” is different but both heavenly in one group (Rev19:1) and earthly in the Revelation 7 post Great Tribulation group first we show how they are different in their sequence in prophecy. This will show you how the “great crowd in heaven” is “in heaven” even before Christ has conquered the world to even deliver the Revelation 7 “great crowd” in the first place, thus an earthly situated “great crowd” appearing last in the sequence of the two.

Because people sometimes use Revelation 19:1-6 to also imply the Revelation 7 “great crowd” is “in heaven” we will use some logic and the prophecy’s own sequence to show this Revelation 19 “great crowd in heaven” is doing these things BEFORE the Great Tribulation deliverance of Revelation 7:9-17. The deliverance of the Revelation 7 “great crowd” would have to occur with the Revelation 19:11-21 events of White Horse Christ in Kingdom Conquest Mode thus AFTER the “great crowd in heaven” of Revelation 19:1-6 in that Revelation 19 prophecy order of events.

Clue 1

The simplest clue is that the Revelation 7 “great crowd” has to “come out of the great tribulation” with this Revelation 19:11-21 event below, thus AFTER this Christ global conquest: event symbolically depicted here from where it starts:

(Revelation 19:11) And I saw the heaven opened, and, look! a white horse. And the one seated upon it is called Faithful and True, and he judges and carries on war in righteousness. 

Thus the Revelation 19:1-6 “great crowd in heaven” was in heaven EVEN BEFORE Christ went into global conquest mode. As you know the “great crowd in heaven” described in Revelation 19:1-6 is already present BEFORE the Christ conquest of Revelation 19:11-21:

(Revelation 19:1-3) After these things I heard what was as a loud voice of a great crowd in heaven. They said: “Praise Jah, you people! The salvation and the glory and the power belong to our God, 2 because his judgments are true and righteous. For he has executed judgment upon the great harlot who corrupted the earth with her fornication, and he has avenged the blood of his slaves at her hand.” 3 And right away for the second time they said: “Praise Jah, you people! And the smoke from her goes on ascending forever and ever.”

Thus to be a “great crowd in heaven” Christ would have already delivered them with the Revelation 19:11-21 events. BUT that would be out of the Revelation 19 order of events.

Clue 2

Now, since the “great crowd in heaven” here is shown with the statement of the  Babylon the Great “harlot” destruction this “great crowd in heaven” could seem to be in the same timing as the Revelation 7 “great crowd” which would also be delivered with and after the BTG conquest.

But on closer inspection this same “great crowd in heaven” is present before the “marriage of the lamb” is complete that is still before the event of Revelation 19:11 which would lead to the marriage event. But since the Bride is complete, just no marriage yet, the Bride is shown complete here:

(Revelation 19:6-8) And I heard what was as a voice of a great crowd and as a sound of many waters and as a sound of heavy thunders. They said: “Praise Jah, you people, because Jehovah our God, the Almighty, has begun to rule as king. 7 Let us rejoice and be overjoyed, and let us give him the glory, because the marriage of the Lamb has arrived and his wife has prepared herself. 8 Yes, it has been granted to her to be arrayed in bright, clean, fine linen, for the fine linen stands for the righteous acts of the holy ones.”

Now the complete Bride is shown complete as well, here below too, but as all 144000 symbolized completion as the “Bride” parallel, which the “great crowd in  heaven” also described in regard to the coming marriage in Revelation 19:6-8:

(Revelation 14:1) And I saw, and, look! the Lamb standing upon the Mount Zion, and with him a hundred and forty-four thousand having his name and the name of his Father written on their foreheads. 

So, the “great crowd in heaven” is again present before the Revelation 7 deliverance of the “great crowd” in Revelation 14:14-16 in the Christ Global Sheep Sweep first priority phase. The “great crowd” of Revelation 7 would be “harvested” with this Revelation 14:14-16 salvation event below, of course after Revelation 14:1 Bride completion:

(Revelation 14:14-16) And I saw, and, look! a white cloud, and upon the cloud someone seated like a son of man, with a golden crown on his head and a sharp sickle in his hand. 15 And another angel emerged from the temple [sanctuary], crying with a loud voice to the one seated on the cloud: “Put your sickle in and reap, because the hour has come to reap, for the harvest of the earth is thoroughly ripe.” 16 And the one seated on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth, and the earth was reaped.

So the “great crowd in heaven” which made the Revelation 14:1 Bride Completion announcement of Revelation 19:6-8 is also present before the “great crowd” ” harvest of the earth” has even been completed in Revelation 14:14-16.

And the “marriage of the lamb” MUST take place AFTER the actual event of the global conquest of Revelation 19:11-21 which will deliver the Revelation 7 “great crowd” as the “harvest of the earth”. So the “great crowd in heaven” is different as it exists in heaven even before the Revelation 7 “great crowd” is delivered by Christ with the actual events of Revelation 19:11-21.

(In all fairness, this is if the Revelation 19 and Revelation 14 sequences are whole unbroken sequence timelines of the post-Christ arrival final events which it seems that is the case because that final sequence is very important and it only occurs in these two places in such a totally complete form in Revelation 14 and 19.)

Clue 3:  Coming Down [to Earth] from Heaven

Many view this long range overview but forget this too initially begins with the Revelation 14:1 and Revelation 19:11 Christ arrival event phases:

(Revelation 21:1-4) 21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea is no more. 2 I saw also the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his peoples. And God himself will be with them. 4 And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.”

Thus, the “temple” and “throne” are part of the “holy city” which is “coming down from heaven” and being made accessible to humans. It will come down fully accessible here as the 1000 years completes:

(Revelation 22:12-14) “‘Look! I am coming quickly, and the reward I give is with me, to render to each one as his work is. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end. 14 Happy are those who wash their robes, that the authority [to go] to the trees of life may be theirs and that they may gain entrance into the city by its gates. 

The “coming down” as in “coming” as a process means the effect of “God’s will done on Earth” is a process from the start of Revelation 7:9-17 to completion of full accessibility as in the “tree of life” granted perfect sinless state, and that human sinlessness takes sometime to achieve to get here. When this below is a reality for here it is just being described, this would even have to become a reality opportunity after Satan and the demons are destroyed because they are the final test period which has to be passed to even get here:

(Revelation 22:14) 14 Happy are those who wash their robes, that the authority [to go] to the trees of life may be theirs and that they may gain entrance into the city by its gates. 

By that time under the 1000 Year Reign of Christ, the heavenly “Bride” is already the “New Jerusalem” totally complete and pictured as accessible on Earth there. Thus, HUMANS are who are given accessibility to the “holy city” “by its gates” by that time fully on Earth upon complete obedience to God after the 1000 years has completed and after Satan has been destroyed.

Thus, more than just the “great crowd” will eventually be able to access the eternal life in those “trees of life”; but obedience to God and guarded sinlessness is required as in Eden, Adam and Eve’s failure into disobedience to God barred them access to the “tree of life”.

But the meaning is the same FOR HUMANS, conquer Satan and access  “tree of life” irremovable everlasting life after the final test is passed. Adam and the woman already had “everlasting life”. The “tree of life” they were barred from is an extension of the nature of that “everlasting life”. It would be human immortality based on total testing passed, THAT is what Adam and Eve were prevented from accessing, “indestructible life”.

(Genesis 3:22) And Jehovah God went on to say: “Here the man has become like one of us in knowing good and bad, and now in order that he may not put his hand out and actually take [fruit] also from the tree of life and eat and live to time indefinite.

Adam and the woman already could live forever while sinless yet with the condition of absolute obedience to God. (Gen2:16-17) So, this “tree of life” is of a different nature of that same “everlasting life” state. (Heb7:16) Now had Christ remained human he would have been granted access to the “tree of life”. In a heavenly way his “indestructible life” is how by complete testing of faithfulness in absolute obedience to God he has accessed “IMMORTALITY” a the final divine nature of “everlasting life” which he also already possessed:

(Hebrews 7:15-17) And it is still more abundantly clear that with a similarity to Melchizedek there arises another priest, 16 who has become such, not according to the law of a commandment depending upon the flesh, but according to the power of an indestructible life, 17 for in witness it is said: “You are a priest forever according to the manner of Melchizedek.”

Since that “indestructible life” is now to be “plugged in” to planet Earth’s planetary life system by means of Jesus Christ’s rulership to remove the Satan “having the means to cause death” (Heb2:14), it will affect ALL LIFE of planet earth in a positive manner commensurate with Christ immortal nature, as God has perfect understanding of how and why this is his “will be done on Earth”:

(Psalm 133:3) 3 It is like the dew of Hermon That is descending upon the mountains of Zion. For there Jehovah commanded the blessing [of] life to time indefinite.

So it is already beyond imagination:

(1 Corinthians 2:9-10) But just as it is written: “Eye has not seen and ear has not heard, neither have there been conceived in the heart of man the things that God has prepared for those who love him.” 10 For it is to us God has revealed them through his spirit, for the spirit searches into all things, even the deep things of God.

BUT it has yet to become reality, but it will. Obedience to God equates to immortality in time upon full testing of faith.

Note on Christ Arrival Priorities

(From previous reply, Btw, the article version coming soon God willing will have a distinction explained about Christ arriving “with the clouds” to sweep sheep first as in Matt24:31, which would secure the Rev7 “great crowd” before Rev19:11 events of the “with power and great glory” totally manifested Christ conquest. But Revelation 19:11-21 FINALIZES the deliverance as Revelation 7:9-17 would be the FINALIZED aftermath, of the finale prophetic description; even if the “great crowd” was secured beforehand, it is still delivered at Revelation 14:14-16.)

But by Revelation 21 it is clear Earth is the target of “let your Kingdom come” and “let your will take place ON EARTH” “as in heaven”.

It just becomes a “seamless” reality between God’s will done in heaven first, and God’s will done ON EARTH last, as one perfect whole well beyond human understanding but understandable to the full capacity of the then perfect human brain and mind. HUGELY different than it is now, to say the least.)

What is to be explained and scripturally cross referenced is the Christ arrival has two objectives in securing sheep prior to the conquest mode and these have scriptural prophetic references to know each occurrence. Thus, we know all the global-conquest references have to be after the sheep are globally secured as the final objective is the global conquest of the wild beast system. In the sheep securement phase, Christ has to arrive to complete the 1Thessalonians 4:17 heavenly sheep aspect first, to be in full “Messianic Kingdom” mode complete, then the rest of the sheep are secured to comprise the “great crowd” of which as explained earlier some sheep are very very “new” sheep.

Another thing to realize is Christ has to render the first Messianic Kingdom judgment (Dan7:26; Matt24:31) by the secured sheep approval and then the BTG judgment from which downfall some final sheep in that bondage are freed to salvation as concurrent with BTG’s judgment, hence Revelation 14:8. Christ renders the judgment even if the wild beast is who destroys the Babylon the Great corporate religious system. Thus, Christ has to be in a “parousia-like” covert stealth mode first for those initial sheep-sweep operations globally (which can take a little time, hence Daniel12:11’s timing allowance for that time required.).

In line with the concept of “parousia” AND the to be clearly known Open Salvation “Week” (Dan9:27) composed of the 1260 days (Dan12:7; Rev11:2-3) and 1290 days (Dan12:11) “week” of approximate seven years, we can know Christ arrives after the 1260 days ends as will be shown. The reason why this is explained is because we can know from prophecy the Christ arrival timeline and priority by scriptural cross reference.

(Now someone may say “I thought he already was in the Parousia? How can there be two? Well unlike the coronation in God’s Kingdom event “parousia” to oversee all this from heaven, this time Christ is “in the air” of Revelation 16:17-20 and 1Thessaloninas 4:17 in direct personal location of planet Earth. So this “parousia” is unique and directly in the Earth target of Matthew 6:10.)

Christ’s Arrival Global Sheep Sweep and Conquest Phasing

The main priority order of Christ is salvation first and conquest last which can also be plainly proven by the Matthew 25:31-46 and Revelation 14:14-20 sequences where the sheep are secured first then the goats are deposed. Thus, we can assume the salvation arrival FIRST portion is a “parousia” like stealth event to secure sheep all over the world right under the nose of complete world government by that time.

(Psalm 110:2) The rod of your strength Jehovah will send out of Zion, [saying:] “Go subduing in the midst of your enemies.”

And we can assume the global-conquest mode FINAL OBJECTIVE OF CHRIST is plainly visible for obvious reasons, and that Christ can use BOTH the “with the clouds” parousia first mode in covert means for sheep sweeping and then the “with power and great glory” when in conquest mode as all the sheep are safely out of the main global battle zones for Christ’s termination of the forces of world government “scarlet wildbeast”. (Rev17:8-18 full final sequence)

(Matthew 24:29-31) 29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days (as 1260 days ends) the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. (first the 7th King old world order to 8th King new world order system shocks) 30 And then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in lamentation, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he will send forth his angels with a great trumpet sound, and they will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds, from one extremity of the heavens to their other extremity.

Thus, the Matthew 24:31 events are in mostly “with the clouds” stealth  parousia mode to perform the global “sheep sweep”, to complete the anointed gathering to spirit form (first) and to then proceed to gather all the earth sheep first in the priority. Even though Matthew 24:29-31 does not show any destruction mode yet, we can know Matthew 24:31 sheep sweep is the first and main priority at Christ arrival which precedes the conquest manifestation of Revelation 19:11.

That means the Revelation 14:1 144000 completion is secured first which completes the “Messianic Kingdom” allowing Christ to be crowned by God “King of kings” thus this is the global-conquest mode of Christ as King of kings in a complete Messianic Kingdom, after the sheep are all secured:

(Revelation 19:11-16) And I saw the heaven opened, and, look! a white horse. And the one seated upon it is called Faithful and True, and he judges and carries on war in righteousness. 12 His eyes are a fiery flame, and upon his head are many diadems. He has a name written that no one knows but he himself, 13 and he is arrayed with an outer garment sprinkled with blood, and the name he is called is The Word of God. 14 Also, the armies that were in heaven were following him on white horses, and they were clothed in white, clean, fine linen. 15 And out of his mouth there protrudes a sharp long sword, that he may strike the nations with it, and he will shepherd them with a rod of iron. He treads too the winepress of the anger of the wrath of God the Almighty. 16 And upon his outer garment, even upon his thigh, he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords.

Symbolic “Week” of Open Salvation Offer

The Open Salvation Offer in global actuality:

(Revelation 14:6-8) And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, and he had everlasting good news to declare as glad tidings to those who dwell on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people, 7 saying in a loud voice: “FEAR God and give him glory, because the hour of the judgment by him has arrived, and so worship the One who made the heaven and the earth and sea and fountains of waters.” 8 And another, a second angel, followed, saying: “She has fallen! Babylon the Great has fallen, she who made all the nations drink of the wine of the anger of her fornication!”

This means this Christ arrival mode has to be when Christ is already crowned “King of kings” in the Messianic Kingdom thus after the initial first priority global sheep sweep is complete for they are delivered by the official earthly sovereign “Messianic Kingdom” entity carrying out its first promise of the “new government” yet not in fully globally conquered mode, yet.

To get there that final 1260 days is a global appeal period to inform others of the certainty of the Christ arrival as that period ends. We can show in the prophecy that the 1260 days and 1290 days have a transition in Daniel 12:7 and Daniel 12:11 as Revelation 11:7-8 indicates. Thus, Christ arrives in the already initially active 1290 day period as will be explained as we proceed to explain fully how to know the 1290 days activation dual- criteria and which prophecy (Rev11:7-12) is the final symbolic period (Rev11:8) to merge into that Daniel 12:11 1290 days period just starting up.

Thus, for the eventual logic in this article that 1260 days and 1290 days forms a symbolic “week” of years with notable events to mark it as being the 1260 days pre-Christ arrival signal final appeal period and the 1290 days period is to be post-Christ arrival OPEN SALVATION GUARANTEED ALLOWANCE period that takes a little time, but with Christ arrived for the sheep sweep mode, first. (Matt24:29-31; Rev16:17; 1Thess4:17; Rev11:11-12; Matt24:31; Rev14:1)

This is important to know because in that prelude 1260 days to Christ arrival-to-its-actuality in a symbolic “week” of OPEN SALVATION (which will be described as we proceed) we know what leads to Christ arrival in the 1260 days “second witness” of the “TWO witnesses” which has to complete first as per Revelation 11:7.

Thus its very “Christ arrival” “little scroll” subject matter of that Revelation 11:2-3 1260 day final warning and global open salvation announcement exactly precedes the very Christ arrival event it is to be warning of in a complete totally affirmable summary:

(Revelation 10:5-7) And the angel that I saw standing on the sea and on the earth raised his right hand to heaven, 6 and by the One who lives forever and ever, who created the heaven and the things in it and the earth and the things in it and the sea and the things in it, he swore: “There will be no delay any longer; 7 but in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to blow his trumpet, the sacred secret of God according to the good news which he declared to his own slaves the prophets is indeed brought to a finish.”

When Christ arrives in the “mid week”, post 1260 days sequence, what he does first is save sheep and thus that will be in the 1290 day period already in initial activation. That final period’s 1260 days and the 1290 days must be ALL OPEN FOR SALVATION. That 1290 days is the final part of that open salvation “week” and the conquest mode of Christ concludes the 1290 day final allowance period. Now we know global sheep securement process can have plenty of time in the Daniel 12:11 1290 days, active to some brief degree, to complete that sheep-sweep process and why it exists with such a time frame.

Open Salvation Week Proof

Now that final “week” for OPEN SALVATION PURPOSES is shown in two Bible prophecies in principle of what is to be applied to the final open salvation “week” based on seven lunar years composed of the 1260 days and 1290 days (lunar 7.083 years; solar 6.99 years). Now for example one, the principle exists here in Noah’s day where God gave a final warning to Noah seven days, a week, prior to the deluge flood:

(Genesis 7:4-5) For in just seven days more I am making it rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and I will wipe every existing thing that I have made off the surface of the ground.” 5 And Noah proceeded to do according to all that Jehovah had commanded him.

Now keep in mind the 1260 days and the 1290 days form a rounded “week” of years WITH THE SAME PURPOSE: SALVATION OFFER AND WARNING. So in the indirect principle of the the main Jesus Christ pattern itself here we have the real proof of the “week” principle that although applying to the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, ALSO has the same principle elements in the final appeal period features as will be explained:

(Daniel 9:27) “And he must keep [the] covenant in force for the many for one week; and at the half of the week he will cause sacrifice and gift offering to cease.

We know the “holy covenant” principle of human salvation is “in force” for many people GLOBALLY for “one week” as we extend this pattern to the actual final seven year “week” that precedes the full application of the Christ sacrifice to initially save people from 8th King caused “great tribulation” and the Christ conquest event of the “war of the great day of God the Almighty” which deposes the “goats”.

(This prophecy has a very direct fulfillment in the time of Jesus Christ, BUT we can use the spirit of the salvation to know Christ’s main pattern is applicable to the climax “time of the end” Bible prophecy as well when its actuality becomes globally realized.

This time at the Daniel 9:27 principle “half of the week”, that is now to be defined at the end of the 1260 days completed into also the final appeal’s “two witnesses” “constant feature” ceased as Christ ARRIVES with salvation for sheep; while in initial fulfillment Christ died to “cease gift offering” and to secure this very global salvation and now they will simultaneously co-relate in final form! Now, THAT is no accident!)

And this Daniel 9:27 “week” of salvation MIDPOINT is to be marked in this principle pattern by the Revelation 11:7-10 “cause sacrifice and gift offering to cease” “at the half of the week” as the 1260 days ends which is another way of terming the cessation of the “constant feature” “gift offering” in Daniel 9:27’s principle.

In the first case, Christ was killed to mark that midpoint with his sacrifice and ministerial “gift offering” “constant feature” ceased. IN the future case, we can prove the 1260 days ends in Revelation 11:7-10 to ALSO be marked by the cessation of the final “two witnesses” appeal’s “constant feature” as also to be ceased (in the final warning cancelled by “abyss” ascendant world government; Rev11:7). And that “constant feature” cessation will mark the “half of the week”, that is the 1260 days expired. Now that 1260 days expired has to be followed by the 1290 day period in part signified as active by that “two witnesses” “constant feature” removal of the future, which we can see the parallel below:

(Daniel 12:11) “And from the time that the constant [feature] has been removed (Rev11:7 final warning ceased) and there has been a placing of the disgusting thing that is causing desolation (as complete world government), there will be one thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Now, the “there has been a placing of the disgusting thing” is a completion of the “disgusting thing” global- placement as 8th King world government in complete worldwide form when in final cycle of the future. Now, we can connect this Revelation 11:7 “killing” of the “two witnesses” AND the wildbeast “abyss ascension” as direct parallel of that Daniel 12:11 activation dual- criteria when BOTH those two prophetic features of globally seen events are globally present, at the same time:

(Revelation 11:7) And when they have finished their witnessing (1260 days completed), the wild beast that ascends out of the abyss (Rev17:8-12) will make war with them and conquer them and kill them.

That “wildbeast” “abyss ascension” (Rev17:8-12) occurs concurrent globally with also the “killing” of the “two witnesses” as the parallel of the Daniel 12:11 “the time that the constant [feature] has been removed” AND that while the “abyss ascension” of the “disgusting thing that is causing desolation” as the completion of 8th King Scarlet Wildbeast World Government is also globally official; thus BOTH criteria features of the Daniel 12:11 prophecy period will be present and thus the 1290 day activation benchmark will be present as notable for people’s information at that time.

Christ will then arrive when the “two witnesses” “three and a half day” “death state” has expired directly into the Revelation 11:11-12 Christ arrival parallel.

Merging the 1260 Days Expiration into the 1290 Days by the “Three and a Half Day” “Death State” of the “Two Witnesses”

Thus, the cessation of the “two witnesses” “second witnessing” “constant feature” final warning appeal in the deep final cycle future must also define the “killing” of the “two witnesses” by the cessation of their final warning appeal ministry which then activates that final “three and a half days” period to expire into the Christ arrival parallel of Revelation 11:11-12.

So we know this final symbolic period of “three and a half days” will be short, it must be in the 1290 days as carried out by then complete world government international law defining both Daniel 12:11 1290 activation criteria and that its symbolic “three and a half day” expiration leads to this Christ arrival parallel as the FINAL prophetic period required to expire just prior to Christ arrival:

(Revelation 11:11-13) And after the three and a half days spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet, and great fear fell upon those beholding them. 12 And they heard a loud voice out of heaven say to them: “Come on up here.” (Matt24:31; 1Thess4:17 parallel) And they went up into heaven in the cloud, and their enemies beheld them. 

Thus, the “thee and a half days” activated after the 1260 days has expired as in Revelation 11:7, must merge into the 1290 days period to mark the cessation of the “constant feature” in its Daniel 12:11 criteria portion.

Salvation Reference:

(Revelation 11: 13) And in that hour (Rev17:12) a great earthquake occurred, and a tenth of the city fell; and seven thousand persons were killed by the earthquake, and the rest became frightened and gave glory to the God of heaven.

The Revelation 11:13 “kills” are a salvation symbol in which the symbolic “7000” and the “tenth of the city” are salvation meanings. Since Babylon the Great is still present a little while longer AFTER the “two witnesses” are “killed” as Christendom is the Revelation 11:8 “broad way” into that “great city” which also contains the “two witnesses” unburied “corpses”. This means there are eventually final- sheep saved from the Babylon the Great “great city” overall global-system as per Revelation 14:6-7 open salvation offer which leads to, and thus through, the BTG destruction whose finale is announced in Revelation 14:8 as Revelation 14:6-7 events lead here during the BTG destruction phase as noted in this final sequence:

(Revelation 14:6-8) And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, and he had everlasting good news to declare as glad tidings to those who dwell on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people, 7 saying in a loud voice: “FEAR God and give him glory, because the hour of the judgment by him has arrived, and so worship the One who made the heaven and the earth and sea and fountains of waters.” 

(Revelation 14:8) And another, a second angel, followed, saying: “She has fallen! Babylon the Great has fallen, she who made all the nations drink of the wine of the anger of her fornication!”

Thus, the “great crowd” is completely “gathered” in completion as far as that BTG liberation aspect for a “tenth of the city” saved in symbolic meaning adds the final humans to the “great crowd”, some final “sheep” swept out by use of the BTG downfall. But Revelation 7:9-17 is a post Christ total global-conquest finale sequence, so that is when in the timeline the “great crowd” are described in final form, even if being secured previously during the 1290 days Revelation 7:9-17 is the post Christ conquest aftermath.

The “Great Crowd” as the First Temple Gift of Christ to God

(Hebrews 9:9) This very [tent] is an illustration for the appointed time that is now here, and in keeping with it both gifts and sacrifices are offered. 

Thus, the “great crowd” in its Matthew 24:31-40 “sheep” symbol and Revelation 14:14-16 “harvest of the earth” parallels of also a final completed Christ arrival “gathering” are the first “harvest of the earth”  “gift” offered by High Priest Christ to God in the completed “temple” state:

(Revelation 14:15-17) And another angel emerged from the temple [sanctuary], crying with a loud voice to the one seated on the cloud: “Put your sickle in and reap, because the hour has come to reap, for the harvest of the earth is thoroughly ripe.” 16 And the one seated on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth, and the earth was reaped. 17 And still another angel emerged from the temple [sanctuary] that is in heaven, he, too, having a sharp sickle.

And to make this “heavenly temple” have earthly effect it has to be “coming down [to earth] from heaven” in symbol of its divine power of salvation now directly affecting earth:

(Revelation 21:1-2) And I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea is no more. 2 I saw also the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Though the “temple” is a heavenly symbol of a spiritual reality the completion of the 144000 is what enables it as a complete “temple” only requiring the “head stone” Christ for total completion and it has earthly missions to help fulfill the Christ prayerful request of God:

(Matthew 6:9-10) “‘Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified. 10 Let your kingdom come [to earth]. Let your will take place, as in heaven, also upon earth.

By that time the “coming down from heaven” has made its first step into planet Earth, and this “holy city’s” temple” is then beginning to become accessible to humans on Earth, thus the “throne” and “temple” are parts of the “holy city” “coming down” to earth making this all accessible to humans on Earth:

(Revelation 7:9-10) After these things I saw, and, look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes; and there were palm branches in their hands. 10 And they keep on crying with a loud voice, saying: “Salvation [we owe] to our God, who is seated on the throne, and to the Lamb.”

And that is how human beings can be “before the throne of God; and they are rendering him sacred service day and night in his [then completed] temple” because these are all elements within the “holy city”:

(Revelation 7:13-17) And in response one of the elders said to me: “These who are dressed in the white robes, who are they and where did they come from?” 14 So right away I said to him: “My lord, you are the one that knows.” And he said to me: “These are the ones that come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 That is why they are before the throne of God; and they are rendering him sacred service day and night in his temple; and the One seated on the throne will spread his tent over them. 16 They will hunger no more nor thirst anymore, neither will the sun beat down upon them nor any scorching heat, 17 because the Lamb, who is in the midst of the throne, will shepherd them, and will guide them to fountains of waters of life. And God will wipe out every tear from their eyes.”

And if that “tent” and “God will wipe out every tear from their eyes” sounds familiar in Revelation it is the promise of God also shown here below on earth so we can again know where this “tent” is to become spread, that is over planet Earth, but not as the “temple” of course but as “God’s will done on Earth” “tent” global-condition and God’s guidance of the whole human family:

(Revelation 21:3-4) With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his peoples. And God himself will be with them. 4 And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.”

And thus, since the “tent of God is with mankind” therefore the “great crowd” is the first of mankind to start to be recovered on Earth in this fulfillment then becoming reality, and that is with earthly focus God “will reside with them, and they will be his peoples” on Earth. Thus it starts to fulfill the Matthew 6:10 “let your Kingdom come” to planet Earth to oversee “God’s will done on Earth as in Heaven” in comprehensive manner which takes 1000 years to complete to human perfection and sinlessness.

(2 Thessalonians 1:10) and to be regarded in that day with wonder in connection with all those who exercised faith, because the witness we gave met with faith among you.

We can see here below, the “great crowd” is not sinless and perfected yet hence not in heaven but still on Earth. The “great crowd” will still be requiring more now direct Christ guidance to the “waters of life” which signify the teaching of the practice of sinlessness and the divine perfection of human being and body (Heb10:10) to make it possible which then proceeds under the 1000 year reign of Christ:

(Revelation 7:17) because the Lamb, who is in the midst of the throne, will shepherd them, and will guide them to fountains of waters of life. 

This direct accessibility to human beings is because the “holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God” is present in initial form for the “gift offering” of the “harvest of the earth” to be given by High Priest Christ in God’s “temple” to proceed into the 1000 year reign of Christ:

(Revelation 21:1-2) And I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea is no more. 2 I saw also the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

And since the “Bride” is also now complete and is also in that “Lamb’s wife” symbol:

(Revelation 21:9-10) And there came one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls which were full of the seven last plagues, and he spoke with me and said: “Come here, I will show you the bride, the Lamb’s wife.” 10 So he carried me away in [the power of the] spirit to a great and lofty mountain, and he showed me the holy city Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God…

The “Marriage of the Lamb” can take place in the official form and the “great crowd” and who knows who else may be present…:

(Revelation 11:18) to give [their] reward to your slaves the prophets and to the holy ones and to those fearing your name, the small and the great

…and can be the “invited to the Lamb’s Marriage” for the “Groom and Bride” are not the “invitees” they are the main event! And though anointed are invited in they become the “bride” so there is more than just the “bride and groom” at the marriage ceremony as humans can experience and witness the earthly manifestation of the event. What wedding ceremony consists of only the bride and groom?

(Revelation 19:7-8) Let us rejoice and be overjoyed, and let us give him the glory, because the marriage of the Lamb has arrived and his wife has prepared herself. 8 Yes, it has been granted to her to be arrayed in bright, clean, fine linen, for the fine linen stands for the righteous acts of the holy ones.”

So, humans are the ones who are affected by this commission of the final appeal warning parallel:

(Matthew 25:6-7) Right in the middle of the night there arose a cry, ‘Here is the bridegroom! Be on your way out to meet him.’ 7 Then all those virgins rose and put their lamps in order. 

Thus the “five discreet virgins” and the “two witnesses” have a global audience to be affected by the final appeal of the open salvation offer, they do not “light up the way” and “witness to Christ arrival” to themselves and those that do respond are part of this final appeal process’s global audience to bring in the finality of all the parties of those to complete the “bride” and those to complete the invited ones to witness the marriage and ceremonies in this same principle of the final Open Salvation Offer parallel:

(Matthew 22:7-13) “But the king grew wrathful, and sent his armies and destroyed those murderers and burned their city. 8 Then he said to his slaves, ‘The marriage feast indeed is ready, but those invited were not worthy. 9 Therefore go to the roads leading out of the city, and anyone you find invite to the marriage feast.’ 10 Accordingly those slaves went out to the roads and gathered together all they found, both wicked and good; and the room for the wedding ceremonies was filled with those reclining at the table. 11 “When the king came in to inspect the guests he caught sight there of a man not clothed with a marriage garment. 12 So he said to him, ‘Fellow, how did you get in here not having on a marriage garment?’ He was rendered speechless. 13 Then the king said to his servants, ‘Bind him hand and foot and throw him out into the darkness outside. There is where [his] weeping and the gnashing of [his] teeth will be.’

Final Note: “Tent” to “Temple” Completion First, for “Coming Down from Heaven” Last

Now as the “temple” word in Revelation NWT translation signifies, as it does in the Greek text, the Revelation prophecy use of that “temple” word in the Revelation terminal sequences only AFTER the TEMPLE HAS BEEN COMPLETED (by finally God) in these final contexts (Rev11:19). As an example in this pre-seven plagues description the “tent” word is used as the “temple” is yet to complete:

(Revelation 15:5-6) And after these things I saw, and the sanctuary of the tent of the witness was opened in heaven, 6 and the seven angels with the seven plagues emerged from the sanctuary, clothed with clean, bright linen and girded about their breasts with golden girdles. 

Whereas by the time of these sequences Christ has arrived and the “temple” has been completed in all 144000:

(Revelation 11:19) And the temple [sanctuary] of God that is in heaven was opened, and the ark of his covenant was seen in his temple [sanctuary]. And there occurred lightnings and voices and thunders and an earthquake and a great hail.

(Revelation 14:15-17) And another angel emerged from the temple [sanctuary], crying with a loud voice to the one seated on the cloud: “Put your sickle in and reap, because the hour has come to reap, for the harvest of the earth is thoroughly ripe.” 16 And the one seated on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth, and the earth was reaped. 17 And still another angel emerged from the temple [sanctuary] that is in heaven, he, too, having a sharp sickle.

(Revelation 7:15) That is why they are before the throne of God; and they are rendering him sacred service day and night in his temple; and the One seated on the throne will spread his tent over them. (the tent here is not the temple)

In this pre-temple completion reference it is of the “measuring of the temple” signifying its guaranteed divine completion in this final Revelation 11 future sequence. The rest is really focused on the “courtyard” signified as earthly as it will be trampled in this final pre-Christ arrival sequence of Revelation 11:1-19 which “trampling” of Revelation 11:2 leads to the “temple” completion:

(Revelation 11:1-2) And a reed like a rod was given me as he said: “Get up and measure the temple [sanctuary] of God and the altar and those worshiping in it. 2 But as for the courtyard that is outside the temple [sanctuary], cast it clear out and do not measure it, because it has been given to the nations, and they will trample the holy city underfoot for forty-two months. 

Although God Almighty completes the temple, of course, Christ works on the temple completion, when he “gathers” the rest of the “the living” final anointed “who are surviving” (1Thes4:17); but GOD is who places Christ as the “head stone” also the King-Priest significance:

(Zechariah 4:6-9) Accordingly he answered and said to me: “This is the word of Jehovah to Zerubbabel, saying, ‘“Not by a military force, nor by power, but by my spirit,” Jehovah of armies has said. 7 Who are you, O great mountain? Before Zerubbabel [you will become] a level land. And he will certainly bring forth the headstone. There will be shoutings to it: “How charming! How charming!”’” 8 And the word of Jehovah continued to occur to me, saying: 9 “The very hands of Zerubbabel have laid the foundation of this house, and his own hands will finish [it]. 

In the reality of the heavenly “Temple” God is who “finishes it” because he sets Christ as also the final “stone” in the “temple” as Christ is also its “foundation stone” and Zechariah 4 is the Revelation 11:5 parallel so the “shoutings” of the coming “temple” completion is a final appeal parallel of the “two witnesses” “second witnessing” of the future.

And that commission is to be given here after the temple cleansing of Zechariah 3:1-5:

(Zechariah 3:8-9) “‘Hear, please, O Joshua the high priest, you and your companions who are sitting before you, for they are men [serving] as portents; for here I am bringing in my servant Sprout! 9 For, look! the stone that I have put before Joshua! Upon the one stone there are seven eyes. Here I am engraving its engraving,’ is the utterance of Jehovah of armies, ‘and I will take away the error of that land in one day.’

It means the 144000 completion, whether literal or symbolic, is a required whole also “gathered” to total completion (1Thess4:17; Rev16:17-20). This is why prior to temple completion as cited above in Revelation 15, and also found in Hebrews, the word “tent” is used as in the temporary incomplete state of anointed “gathering” and thus the “temple” is signified as a “tent”, still incomplete, even when there was only one anointed One, even if it is the Christ:

(Hebrews 8:1-2) Now as to the things being discussed this is the main point: We have such a high priest as this, and he has sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens, 2 a public servant of the holy place and of the true tent, which Jehovah put up, and not man.

(Hebrews 9:9) This very [tent] is an illustration for the appointed time that is now here, and in keeping with it both gifts and sacrifices are offered. 

A Final Meditation for Many

In addition, this 1290 days allowance and the stealth sheep securing super-natural events, though covert, will be noticed by other people still in question of their own faith about Christ and this extended time frame gives them some time to think about the things they have seen. As with the case of the week prior to the flood, people had to witness a massive influx of animal life into the ark because 8 people were not going to gather such an enormous cargo, and though people saw that sign, none responded.

But this final sign of Christ loading his own salvation human cargo can have a great effect on others and some of them will make the decision to get “on board” with Revelation 14:6-8’s offer and the “two witnesses” appeal will have made this offer known to many people as well. The extended time frame of this open salvation period thus also allows people some time to meditate on what they will KNOW has been going on at global scale and hopefully choose salvation before it is truly too late, and angels ensure the open salvation offer will stand the whole 1290 days:

(Revelation 14:6-7) And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, and he had everlasting good news to declare as glad tidings to those who dwell on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people, 7 saying in a loud voice: “FEAR God and give him glory, because the hour of the judgment by him has arrived, and so worship the One who made the heaven and the earth and sea and fountains of waters.”

That divine offer is pretty direct and its acceptance will be aided by interesting sheep sweep events and the time to reflect upon what it really means for many people.

 

 

 

Har-Magedon: Mountain of Military; Earth’s New Name under World Government

Har-Magedon: Mountain of Military; Earth’s New Name under World Government

Question:

“”Where does it actually say in the Bible that people will survive armageddon? because I can’t find it. I I know it says in revelation that a great crowd stands before the throne of God, does it mean heavenly because I have been on other annointed websites who say there will be only a tiny remaining people who inherit earth a small remnant not a great deal of crowd? Thank you for your great service to us it is much appreciated and welcomed.””

Reply:

Har-Magedon (Armageddon)

(Revelation 16:13-16) And I saw three unclean inspired expressions [that looked] like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the wild beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 They are, in fact, expressions inspired by demons and perform signs, and they go forth to the kings of the entire inhabited earth, to gather them together to the war of the great day of God the Almighty. 15 “Look! I am coming as a thief. Happy is the one that stays awake and keeps his outer garments, that he may not walk naked and people look upon his shamefulness.” 16 And they gathered them together to the place that is called in Hebrew Har–Magedon.

Now on this Armageddon word/term and its meaning, it has a global-situation to be recognizable in the future as the “nations are being gathered to” “Har-Magedon”. And what you question is good, it is what is sometimes called a “fine point”; I am glad you asked it because I am a bit lax in the way I use this Armageddon term, but now I am going to be more careful and precise and here is why.

Har-Magedon is NOT something like an “event” really to be “survived” it is a prophetic “global situation” that WILL become globally recognizable, it is something to look for in the future, a “sign” as it is also built up by demons “performing signs” for world leaders to aid this “gathering the nations” progression; this is a specific progression of global-military domination to be explained fully. But the “Har-Magedon” condition can umbrella some trying times as it matures to a recognizable global completion.

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The Har-Magedon sign and global-development is a culmination of a certain signal global-condition which will get more obviosu as world government nears completion. Har-Magedon is two words as a hyphenated term, sometimes combined into one word: Armageddon. In Hebrew the word Har word means “mountain”. So we need to know which certain “mountain” which that “har” Hebrew word applies to Har=Mountain. It is no single mountain on Earth though, it IS Earth itself as this Revelation 16:16 “mountain”, indicating a global condition for starters upon this here “mountain of God”:

(Ezekiel 28:16) And I shall put you as profane out of the mountain of God (in reference to Satan’s authority over planet Earth “mountain of God”)

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Har-Magedon is a planetary complete condition of the “Magedon” global-state wherein “Magedon” is related to “Megiddo” in its “military fortress” root meaning, a “military establishment” in this final case a signal one, one controlled by 8th King world government in time. Now we know this is a “mountain” of planet Earth under a “military establishment” in that “Magedon” word meaning. Har-Magedon, Earth Mega-Military or Mountain of Military, to complete and be seen as exactly that under world government in the future. (See Joel 3:9-18)

This Joel 3 prophecy is just describing this challenge of God in its military aspect rather than its political (Rev17:11-13) or commercial (Dan11:42-43) aspects of global conglomeration of power:

(Joel 3:9-12) “Proclaim this, you people, among the nations, ‘Sanctify war! Arouse the powerful men! Let them draw near! Let them come up, all the men of war! 10 Beat your plowshares into swords and your pruning shears into lances. As for the weak one, let him say: “I am a powerful man.” 11 Lend your aid and come, all you nations round about, and collect yourselves together.’” To that place, O Jehovah, bring your powerful ones down. 12 “Let the nations be aroused and come up to the low plain of Jehoshaphat (Armageddon parallel); for there I shall sit in order to judge all the nations round about.

So in addition it is the place of divine judgment: all of planet Earth.

Thus, “Har” and “Magedon”  which is to become a unique complete “military establishment” is the “Mountain” of the Earthly “Military Establishment” of ultimately World Government 100% global military system. It would be the most complete picture of the global-reality of the “ten horns” of the “Scarlet Wildbeast” world government system, the military aspect. Har-Magedon has to be the total completion of “give their power and authority to the wild beast for one hour” (Rev17:11-18) in 100% TOTALLY GLOBAL FORM!. Obviously, no one can miss this when it completes in the future.

(Revelation 16:16) And they gathered them together to the place that is called in Hebrew Har–Magedon.

The “place” is where this “immense image” is “standing”, planet Earth too:

(Daniel 2:31) “You, O king, happened to be beholding, and, look! a certain immense image. That image, which was large and the brightness of which was extraordinary, was standing in front of you, and its appearance was dreadful. 

Thus, “And they gathered them together to the place that is called in Hebrew Har–Magedon” the “place” is global on Earth, and the condition of Earth is then in the Har-Magedon state of being under the 100% military domination of the 8th King world government system, in complete and final form. (Thus, ready for the war with God and Christ, totally ready, “Armageddon ready”, totally seen by all people globally, the complete Har-Magedon “global situation” complete.

The “place” has to be global, all of Earth, the “stand” is of the 8th King parallel in global final power in totally complete defiance to God’s Kingdom with a 100% global military control sector of world government to try to enforce it all. (Rev13:15-18)

(As per Revelation 16:13-16 demons are who “gather nations” to this “place” and the global force of globalization is definitely a form of “gathering nations”, so it is the globalized-military aspect in specific and a BAD situation overall, but of the future when complete. 100% military control in the wrong hands can be worse than all the warring nations (Matt24:6) when you really think about it, and that is the kind of entity that will fulfill Dan8:25 parallel Dan11:44 and ironically, with the 1Thess5:1-3 “world peace” front cover mantra AT THE SAME TIME!)

So you are right you are not “surviving” Har-Magedon, it being a condition of military globalization complete any more than surviving the “8th King” also being a condition of world government complete. So you raised a great point, thanks. PEOPLE and I am one of them, have used that Armageddon word to mean a dire situation, which by implication gets over extended to mean a “doomsday” like thing also by the media and movies.

Plus, “Armageddon” does have a very ominous ring to the word itself. And with good reason, but it itself is not an “event” to survive it is a “global condition” of a signal global-completion to be aware of, a climax period of global culmination to look for in the future, a heavy “sign” to all people.

As a global-condition “Armageddon” will have a “climax” period as it is to be divinely removed as a “condition” on Earth in that “war of the great day of God the Almighty” EVENT to define Matthew 24:21-22 “cut short the days” EVENT. All this kind of stuff all gets rolled up into that “Armageddon” broad “Doomsday Tamale” when we use the word forgetting to highlight these kinds of IMPORTANT distinctions.

Now the Great Tribulation is caused by men, it would be an “EVENT”, even if over a period, to survive. BUT there is also the “war of the great day of God the Almighty” EVENT which sheep obviously survive, all enemies are cut off, so it too is an “event” to survive. But one is of human origination the other divine to end it at a climax “four winds” period AFTER world government 8th King completes NOT in the “sword stroke” (Rev13:3; Isa41:4) that leads to the “healing” and “abyss ascension” of 8th King world government in the future.

To know the tribulation is human caused first, Paul said:

(2 Thessalonians 1:6) This takes into account that it is righteous on God’s part to repay tribulation to those who MAKE tribulation for you…

In its final form on Earth all prophetic  “tribulation” is caused by human powers (Matt24:29, Matt24:21-22), so in a final form GOD “repays tribulation” to the MAKERS of it in their own “tribulation” and eventual end. This way we KNOW these are the EVENTS THEMSELVES which can be survived. We can survive the human power system tribulation and we can survive the war of God, because a “great crowd” of sheep all survive.

The “great CROWD” is not a “flock” kind of word it implies a mix of people in that “crowd” term; and there is a reason, allow me to explain it. The fact is at Matthew 25:31-46 some of them sheep are so newbie they ask Christ those very basic questions like “when did we see you naked?”. What this tells us is they never read Matthew 25 or are Christian but ignorant of its meaning.

What that means is a person, possibly ANYONE, can come to “believe in Christ” ON THE SPOT (Rev14:6-7 offer to all humans) at that time of his sheep securing manifestation which can be stealth or any way he wants; as Saul did.

(Romans 2:14-16) For whenever people of the nations that do not have law do by nature the things of the law, these people, although not having law, are a law to themselves. 15 They are the very ones who demonstrate the matter of the law to be written in their hearts, while their conscience is bearing witness with them and, between their own thoughts, they are being accused or even excused. 16 This will be IN THE DAY when God through Christ Jesus judges the secret things of mankind, according to the good news I declare.

They would be people as per Romans 2:12-16, already inclined to cooperate, sheep-like people who as per Matt10:23 were unreached before because the “circuits of the cites of Israel” were incomplete by human Christians. But come the Rev14:6-8 Christ and the angels complete the global ministry Christ began. And with that Revelation 14:6-8 offer they too can “wash their robes in the blood of the lamb” officially in a very second of total belief in Christ (like Saul experienced), because they are people being helpful and loving as shown in that Matthew 25:31-40 context God was counting it to them as righteousness (Rom2:12-29) and he knows they will transition to the Christ reality cooperatively.

(Joel 3:14) Crowds, crowds are in the low plain of the decision, for the day of Jehovah is near in the low plain of the decision.

Thus, the “great crowd” will all be “sheep” but many must be very new “sheep” and they came from “crowds in the low plain of the decision” the one “crowd” marked for survival in peoples who had not yet met Christ, but were about to, and that whole transition in prophecy of Revelation 7:9-17 just maintains the “great crowd” meaning to help us see ANYONE can be saved. THAT “crowd” is a mix of people becoming “sheep” in all kinds of ways, some “on the spot”; of course we know they have to be sheep, many do not know they can be very very “newbie” “sheep”, on the spot sheep. Obviously that is truly “good news” for them people who at this time do not even know they are already being inspected for sheep-like character and THAT Revelation 14:6-8 REALITY needs to be fully explained with the final ministry.

That being the case, God uses that “great crowd” term to further affirm ANYONE can be saved, NO WAY is the sacrificial atonement of Christ who bought the whole world:

(1 John 2:1-2) My little children, I am writing you these things that you may not commit a sin. And yet, if anyone does commit a sin, we have a helper with the Father, Jesus Christ, a righteous one. 2 And he is a propitiatory sacrifice for our sins, yet not for ours only but also for the whole world’s. 

The Christ sacrifice for salvation cannot to be limited by ANY “religious label” which sprung up later. Being a “Christian” is NOT a “religion”, it is a FAITH:

(Revelation 14:12) Here is where it means endurance for the holy ones, those who observe the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.”

So sheep “survival” is through events as you perceived, not through a prophetic SIGNAL global “condition”. Har-Magedon is merely descriptive of world government taking over the planetary military aspect of the whole planet Earth “mountain” wherein planet Earth is really the “Har” “mountain” in “Har”-“Magedon” under 8th King King North total military domination as one whole global rival entity under “one hour” of world government in the future. (And that is why God tells the 8th King “powers that be” in Joel 3 to “BE READY” (and Eze38:7)…

(Ezekiel 38:7) “‘“Be ready, and let there be preparation on your part, you with all your congregation, those congregated alongside you, and you must become their guard.

…for the war with Christ and completing the 100% global-military control aspect defines “ready” as far as Christ is concerned, world government will already have “crossed the line”, and the games shall begin in due time. (in the active Dan12:11 period)

(Daniel 12:11) “And from the time that the constant [feature] has been removed (Rev11:7 final warning ceased) and there has been a placing of the disgusting thing that is causing desolation (as complete world government), there will be one thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Thus that whole 1290 days is also open for Revelation 14:6-8 salvation. The “Armageddon” war phase of the “war of the great day of God the Almighty” will be what concludes the 1290 days because ONLY “the happy” enter Daniel 12:12’s phase.

The thing to survive thus, as can be imagined, is God and Christ’s MASSIVE GLOBAL REACTION EVENT to this rival world government global “Har-Magedon” military system of the future. Basically at that time “Har-Magedon” “Mount Militia” is Earth’s new 8th King world government name for planet Earth as far as God is concerned, but not long thereafter. AT times, really in error, that divine intervention event gets called “Har-Magedon”, hence the problem you detected. It is really a certain type of prophetic completion in the MILITARY SECTOR ASPECT of complete world government.

Har-Magedon is the global “place” and condition of the world judgment of God and Christ.

Good question, thanks for asking it.