Jehovah Witness UN NGO and Daniel Prophecy Fulfillment of the 3rd United Nations Placement and the Modern Bethel Apostasy

Jehovah Witness UN NGO and Daniel Prophecy Fulfillment of the 3rd United Nations Placement and the Modern Bethel Apostasy

The 3rd United Nations presentation which is prophetic as was the first two UN placements that preceded it is what modern Jehovah’s witnesses now ignore as prophecy and global significance in that “New World Order” 3rd United Nations initiative gone global in 1990.

UN NGO promoting Bethel is the cause of this JW diversion and subversion operation as we see they also joined the UN global co-promotionals while ignoring the prophetic significance of that 3rd UN placement at Daniel 11:31 and Daniel 8:23.

Thus the matter of UN prophecy tracking that early Jehovah’s witnesses [used to] take serious is now truncated by this latest batch of JWs who don’t seem to realize what joining the UN as UN NGO will mean in the temple judgment it instead indicates as Daniel 8:13-14, where the UN NGO is the “transgression causing desolation [to Bethel]” connected to the “disgusting thing that causes desolation” and that 1990 UN NGO alliance.

Thus the Bethel apostasy as signaled by that UN NGO spiritual adultery just so happens to also be foretold in the very prophecies leading to the 3rd UN presentation of 1990 in Daniel 11:30-32 and Daniel 8:11-13, 23.

Thus Bethel not only covers up the 3rd United nations presentation meaning, they also cover up their own apostasy that co-developed from that 1990 3rd UN placement development they joined a global co-promoting UN NGO harnessing Jehovah’s witnesses to do United Nations “New World Order” promotions as shown in the Awake! 9/8/1991 United Nations issue.

*** Awake! 1991 9/8 p. 3 What Is Happening at the United Nations? ***

What Is Happening at the United Nations?

Well Jehovah’s witnesses have joined the UN as Bethel co-promoting endorsers, that is what is happening at the United Nations.

*** Awake! 1991 9/8 pp. 3-4 What Is Happening at the United Nations? ***

What Is Happening at the United Nations?

“”SOMETHING is happening at the United Nations. Startling developments are taking place that are going to affect your future. World leaders are very optimistic about them. Consider their words:””” …

“”A few days later, President George Bush of the United States addressed the UN General Assembly. The changes he saw inspired him to say: “Not since 1945 have we seen the real possibility of using the United Nations as it was designed—as a center for international collective security.” He said this because “the United Nations reacted with such historic unity and resolve” to the Persian Gulf crisis. “For the first time, the U.N. Security Council is beginning to work as it was designed to work.” He also said: “The United Nations can help bring about a new day” if its members ‘leave terrible weapons behind.’ By doing this, they can complete the “historic movement towards a new world order and a long era of peace.”””

“”Mr. Guido de Marco, president of the General Assembly of the United Nations, shared this optimism. He proclaimed glowingly: “The dawn of a new system based on friendship and cooperation between the major powers is on the horizon. These developments have revitalized the United Nations Organisation.” He said that “the role of the General Assembly as the focal point of international discussion and deliberation, has been reaffirmed in an impressive manner.” Because of this, he further stated: “The world no longer lives in the shadow of a possible Armageddon sparked by ideological competition.”””


Now Bethel has echoed 3rd United Nations global placement quotes from before the UN General Assembly, but fails to explain the 3rd UN placement was also prophecy. In this way JWs are not comprehending the 3rd and 4th UN placement continuum of Daniel 11:30-45, and Daniel 8:23-25 results in a final cycle requirement leading to actual world government. Instead UN toting apostate Bethel became UN NGO and extended the USSR “King North” fiction to smoke-over this whole bypass of modern UN prophecy and their own apostasy.

Now the entire UN tracking ministry of Jehovah’s witnesses has been truncated in 1945 2nd UN placement relevance, the 3rd and 4th UN placement prophecy is completely ignored by modern Jehovah’s witnesses due to Bethel based apostate subversion in their leadership idolatry.

And since Bethel keeps this well guarded secret from Jehovah’s witnesses never once admitting this UN affair in print to all Jehovah’s witnesses to address this debacle, most JWs do not realize now Matthew 24:15 is also active at UN NGO “disgusting thing” Bethel itself.

(Matthew 24:15-16) “Therefore, when you catch sight of the [UN NGO; Dan11:31] disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken of through Daniel the prophet [modern Dan11:31 “disgusting thing that causes desolation” as parallel of Dan8:13 “transgression causing desolation”], standing in a holy place [in the JW “constant feature” ministry as UN NGO], (let the reader use discernment,) 16 then let those in Judea begin fleeing to the mountains. [Because the JW Bethel desolation judgment for that UN NGO “transgression causing desolation” is near; 1Pet4:17; Dan8:13-14; Rev8:3-5];

Now the temple judgment is the only way to release the Bethel stranglehold on the JW now apostate ministry.

(Daniel 8:13-14) And I got to hear a certain holy one speaking, and another holy one proceeded to say to the particular one who was speaking: “How long will the vision be of the (profaned) constant [feature] and of the transgression causing desolation (UN NGO alliance of Daniel 11:31b), to make both [the] holy place (temple “established place”; Dan8:11) and [the] (JW worldwide) army things to trample on?” (first 8th King “trampling” “attack” defining the spiritual meaning of the “tribulation of those days” beginning); 14 So he said to me: “Until two thousand three hundred evenings [and] mornings; and [the] holy place will certainly be brought into its right condition.” (Temple judgment purification completed in this timed period parallel Zechariah 3:4-5, Revelation 8:1-5);


Bethel’s Main Delusion: The End is Near, Jehovah’s Day is Here! – is a Signal of The Final Apostasy
Temple Judgment to World Government to Christ Arrival

Repeating Cycles: The Whole Prophecy Repeats Starting With The Temple Judgment Portion

JW UN NGO Prophecy, Information and Details
JW UN NGO – Tip of the Iceberg of Bethel Subversion

Daniel Prophecy and 8th King Globalists
Daniel 11:36-41 and Daniel 8:23-25 8th King Globalist Details and the Bethel Apostasy Co-Development



Governing Body is Apostasy in Leadership Defining Prophecy


Thanks. I don’t understand your last paragraph but I get what you’re saying ahead of that. I understand you to mean the current GB arrangement morphed from what had been a corporate board of directors. That makes sense.

I’m sure most JW’s wouldn’t accept a local body of elders starting to enforce rules and processes outside already established scriptural guidance. The GB is basically an appointed body of elders at the top of the org chain at bethel headquarters.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. The problem is hidden in plain sight.

Do you have any thoughts as to what makes this appointed body of elders (GB) different than another body of elders so that what this body says is a mandate to be followed by the rank and file or face severe penalties?

Your welcome.

Please consider this whole logic.

“Do you have any thoughts as to what makes this appointed body of elders (GB) different than another body of elders so that what this body says is a mandate to be followed by the rank and file or face severe penalties?”

Yes, error promoted as truth (2Thess2:11-12) by pure assumption is how this governing body concept has slowly morphed (2Cor11:13-15) into the dictatorship it is today. It is just like the Pope, except this is a collective “Governing Body”, but it serves the same function, and like the Pope, is based on accepting the same error by sly but long accepted deception.

The “Governing Body” concept is plausible in Acts 15, but it is not actually there any more than the Papacy is there. JWs are relying on the same accepted but overly assumed rationale as the Papal Apostolic Succession claim, merely modified to meet the JW circumstances of modern control. But it is the same exact thing in its basics and purpose.

In fact the GB does also claim their own form of “Apostolic Succession”:

“”The channel he used for spiritual feeding was clearly recognizable. After all, the apostles—the original members of the governing body—could provide visible proof of heavenly backing.””

(WT 7/15/13 pg. 18, par. 12)

So pure contrived authority by that body itself, accepted by plausibility, actually not legitimate or Biblical but implied as such, is how the Governing Body morphed into this form of ministerial and corporate tyranny; “gradually”; (Dan8:12, 2Cor11:13-15)

Pure presumption, but now it is too late, the GB protect their own assumption and remove those challenging it.

BUT like other basically falsehood based authoritative developments in religions, this one will also keep “sowing” bad seeds that will have greater “reaping” ramifications than Jehovah’s witnesses perceive, as JWs are being greatly subjected to this delusion as if it is Biblical fact. Look on the Web, obviously Bethel is also sowing seeds of great reproach of God by actual criminal activity. (2Pet2:1-3). That cannot turn out well in the long run. JWs are who will be globally affected, the whole ministry is actually now in great peril.

Please hear this whole rationale.

See the concept of a “faithful and discreet slave” is logically not determined by humans. God is the ultimate judge of who is faithful and who is not. The point of Christ asking “who really is the faithful and discreet slave?” is that God determines “faithful”, and that by a judgment. (1Pet4:17) That judgment of God principle befell both Israel (Isaiah, Hosea, Amos, Micah) and Jerusalem (Ezekiel, Jeremiah) in ancient times.

At the time of Israel’s and Jerusalem’s apostasies, the apostasy was [not openly recognized by the masses] of Israel. And the apostasies were [carried out by the top priestly leaders];

Apostasy, IN THE LEADERSHIP, is where all the major Biblical judgments fall upon, affecting all the people.

Later, when Christ arrived to Jerusalem, well after those older Israel and Jerusalem judgments, AGAIN a major apostasy in the LEADERSHIP of Jerusalem ended up undergoing a judgment of Biblical proportions in 70 CE. Again, the masses of Israel [did not detect the nature of the apostasy]. They bought the lie again, by assumed authority gone bad, and masterful deceptions.

After that, the same pattern appears in Christendom, organized apostasy [in the leadership] forms, and the [people do not openly recognize it]. Thus it is a progressive and cyclic principle that REPEATS, well related to Israel’s history of judgments up to the time of Christ in the Bible.

Thus we have the modern “Governing Body” presumption of divine power and authority, in the leadership, in a form of a true dictatorship. The same pattern was present in Israel in Isaiah’s time, and in Jerusalem in Jeremiah’s and Christ’s time, it is the same pattern in the Papacy, with the same goals of control and actually justifying great sins under a veneer of assumptions of righteousness, and for this reason, [again and again], the [masses generally miss what is really forming]. They DO NOT SEE the apostasy, they DO NOT ACCEPT that their leaders are lawless and idolatry promoters.

What is actually forming in Jehovah’s witnesses top leadership is a non-Biblical foreign body, of secular origins, gradually assuming “divinity” as the “governing body” “of Jehovah’s witnesses”. IN MOSTLY UNSEEN REALITY, just like in the past in all these examples covered, the GB is [[assuming]] authority, by deception and gradual corruption, over the legitimate, Biblically defined, “body of the Christ” of anointed Christians today.

Thus we have the EXACT SAME PATTERN at Bethel, as in Israel, as in Jerusalem and as in Christendom.

We have an assumed divine authority of actually illegitimate men in an illegitimate “body” of corporate mundane origins, with ILLEGAL assumed authority, actually carrying out great apostate sins, as organized “policy”, [right from the core LEADERSHIP], and few Jehovah’s witnesses recognize the error. All the same earmarks of what apostasy is, preceding a big judgment, is present now in the last place any Christian attempted reformation actually had success in modern times RIGHT IN THE CENTRAL LEADERSHIP AGAIN, but this time in Jehovah’s witnesses [negatively affecting] their ministry. And imo, it will get far worse in time. (Zech3:1-3)


Thus this late in the game, to not see these main patterns repeating, is of course just pure blindness, distraction and or inattention to study and seeing basic logic and principles. We have a leadership based apostasy in JWs, not detected by many, with huge UN NGO aligned adultery, with more organizational idolatry sins as well, and they are claiming to be “God’s prophet” and they pre-approve themselves as “faithful and discreet slave” upon their own self-appointed authority, without even mentioning a judgment of God is what determines faithful and unfaithful from God, not men.

They are blasphemous plain as day, but the delusion blinds JWs to obvious reality of the severity of GB blasphemies. (2Thess2:1-4) JWs are also greatly distracted, and obsessed with a premature “the end of the world” delusion (2Thess2:1-2), all promoted by Bethel.

Thus what we actually have is modern CLASSIC APOSTASY, [in the leadership], [detected by few], that has now fully hi-jacked and overrun not just the JW ministry, but the very basis of its existence in its corporate resource base of the global ministry by a foreign “body” now FULLY “set in opposition” to the real “body” “of the Christ” in open diametric resistance promoting great sins, right in JWs, with JWs fully duped, just like ALL the former major apostasies of the Bible.

The very existence of a “governing body” claiming to supersede the authority of the entire global congregation, is in itself a total blasphemy by the very existence of such a presumption and a group. (2Thess2:3-4)

As before, EXPECT A JUDGMENT OF GOD to eventually clear the fog of lies and transgression and expose Bethel for the modern apostasy and lawlessness it is. (2Thess2:3-4, 8; Zech3:1-5, Dan8:13-15) And imo, expect that FIRST, and soon, on this latest form of apostasy in “God’s house”. (1Pet4:17)

There has been no group in history, since the Pharisees, as primed and terminal for apostate judgment as today’s Bethel system because of the accurate knowledge it possesses and the great responsibility it has for a global Christian ministry claiming to be anointed.

And as before, though the judgments of God are meant to determine faithfulness, and to topple and or expose the unfaithful leadership of apostates and impostors, it is Jehovah’s witnesses masses, like the deluded peoples of the past, that will also be adversely affected by this kind of judgment, because religious leadership does have responsibility and accountability that can affect their “flock”.

And that imo, is what modern Bethel is today, and the GB dictatorship of 1976 developments is the core corruption authority cell that began this devolution into full blown, though well hidden and accepted, organized JW apostasy IN THE LEADERSHIP, where all classic major apostasies must form before judgment arrives.

And imo, as before, in the principle pattern, it will in time be rectified by a divine judgment on the JW org of “Biblical proportions” to activate soon; but it will drag on a few years in full downfall, imo. (Hos6:1-3, Dan8:13-14). And it is foretold, and timed (Dan8:14,26), for future verification, and the Bethel based apostasy is what makes it both necessary and certain, imo, but I feel it is ALREADY in the very prophecy JWs have made notable in Daniel 8 and 11, that Bethel is subverting on purpose. (Dan8:12b)

It is just a common repeating pattern of how unfaithfulness forms, what it does, and how it assumes its deceptive cover—it is all really just the same old story, but in modern form, repeating again.

The JW judgment will lead to things getting clearer later, because “the end of the world” will not come with that judgment, just the end of Bethel’s current management and maybe the whole corporate complex is what is coming. That is my bet, and opinion.


By the way I do believe the original anointed Christian ministry in Jehovah’s witnesses development since the time of Charles Russell and other old school reformation proponents is a valid prophetic expose’ of the human world government development exposing the League of nations as prophecy that was starting to be accomplished since 1919.

And it continued to 1945 in exposing the United Nations second step to world government as prophecy and HUGELY significant in the big picture of this overall development. Imo, all this is the truth in the early JW ministry.

BUT when the 1990 THIRD UN step to world government went global, JWs were misled by Bethel to instead PROMOTE that placement, actually in Daniel 11:30-31, as UN NGO, while SAYING NOTHING OF THE PROPHECY that is is a 3rd step to UN based world government in prophecy, also Daniel 8:23 “stand”.

Thus the 1976 GB subversion center, that allowed that UN NGO, and this cover up of the 3rd UN events, and its UN NGO endorsement, is the 1990 full exposure of “King North” of Daniel 11:32a actually as what is subverting the JW ministry, by use of the GB error and authority.

Thus in my first post to you, “King North” is the 8th King UN planners who are now secretly involved with the Bethel apostasy as Daniel 11:41 “entry” into the anointed ministry with the intent of apostasy and transgression to be introduced into the JW community with little detection. (Dan11:32-35, Dan8:11-13)

The 1976 GB development precedes the 1991 UN NGO (Awake! 9/8/1991), this apostasy going global, and the cover up of 3rd UN presentation events as prophecy, by just 11 years.

And for this reason, and more, is why I say, imo, Bethel is that signal apostasy to form for a “house judgment”, the temple judgment in modern final form, that activates while the cycle of the “tribulation of those days” forms and plays out to the FOURTH UN placement as FULL WORLD GOVERNMENT.

And thus subverting JWs to not recognize the 3rd UN event as significant and prophecy in 1990, is how the whole 3rd to 4th (future) UN events in that same prophecy (Dan11:30-45, Dan8:23-25) are ALSO not known by JWs, nor do they detect the apostasy and who is now actually in their house running the place from the GB deception.

7th King Downfall Required

Q: JW’s still know and believe the 8th world power, and the 7th, the False Prophet will go down, and Jehovah will even help out the cause. Rev. 17:17. Christians have always had to work with the enemy, the ruling govt’s to get the good news preached. Eph. 6:12 What you claim as ‘treason’ is just “wrestling.” 

7th King Fall

Well adjoining JWs to the 8th King wildbeast UN image is a bit more serious, and concealing the 1990 3rd UN placement as “new world order” initiative as the prophecy it is, is also very serious subversion.


Now please bear with me, the logic is in the prophecy and in the numerical sequence.

“JW’s still know and believe the 8th world power, and the 7th, the False Prophet will go down, and Jehovah will even help out the cause. Rev. 17:17”

That is true. But 7 must progress to 8 in the sequence, they cannot “co-rule”, that is a Bethel myth:

1. The 8th world power is not simply the UN “image”, it will have to be 8th King full “scarlet wildbeast” WORLD GOVERNMENT, and that has yet to complete and present itself. (1Thess5:1-3)

(This still respects all God given JW insight on that prophecy, BUT Revelation 17:11-18 has to TOTALLY complete, and this merely finishes what modern Bethel will not summarize: total world government, not yet present in the UN, is not yet fully present officially on earth. An that will require more years and that whole “tribulation of those days” phase.)

2. In that process, the 7th King must be deposed first into that 8th King FULL world government. That is why it is 7th in line, and 8th King comes AFTER the 7th King. It is logical the 7th King is not the last king in that sequence. Bethel is bypassing this logic.

(Bethel simply bypasses the significance of the 7 to 8 process, by claiming the 8th King is the UN in itself. It is not, the UN is the “image”, full world government will be the global “scarlet wildbeast”.)

So yes God will depose the 8th King (after it is actual world government), but the 8th King system will depose the 7th King nation-state sovereignty of the Anglo-American system. (That 7th King downfall is in the coming “tribulation of those days”, and if we notice, that is why Christ arrives AFTER the “tribulation of those days” has resolved on its own at Matt24:29-31, because by then, full 8th King WORLD GOVERNMENT will “be present” in that final “abyss rise” of Revelation 17:8-11, to complete Revelation 17:11-18 100%, parallel Revelation 11:7 second witness ceasing, it all repeats.);

This is why in the real Daniel 11:42-43, YET TO FULFILL IN THE FUTURE, King North deposes King South by global gold control and asset control financial system domination, now forming in the global system. King North, who also MUST be 8th King world government, merely absorbs King South alive, making him, a her, a subservient vassal king, in Daniel 11:42-43 wording that is that 7th King downfall in global dominance.

Bethel subverts this prophecy by maintaining the IMPOSSIBLE USSR error. Paying full attention to prophecy IS VERY VERY IMPORTANT, and that is why Bethel diverts JWs from the key prophetic details.


So I am not disagreeing with any JW insight up to 1990, I just point out modern Bethel is BYPASSING the most significant period (a whole final cycle) in coming world history in that REQUIRED 7th King fall, for 8th King full rise, into full world government; it will come to completion, it must, BEFORE Christ arrives;  AND they are simply selling that period to JWs as “the end”, when in fact the “tribulation of those days” is the key period the 8th King will “rise” and achieve full world government as actual full 8th King, including, but not just, the UN “image of the wildbeast”, BUT the WHOLE thing.

THAT has yet to fully complete, it is NOT “the end” coming up, it is the START of that final cycle and the START of the temple judgment of 1Peter 4:17.

Bethel is attempting to bypass that whole final transformation and 8th King completion cycle as simply “the end”, and that is when they plan aid the Bethel coup of (Dan8:13), and sell that to JWs as also “the end” to attempt to fully abort the ministry, and they will. But the eventual recovered JW ministry must go on later into that cycle, and that will be the FINAL clarification leading to the truly FINAL global warning of the SECOND witness, and that is why there are [[TWO]] [witnesses]. And that is actually going to be the temple judgment, and that is prophecy now bypassed by apostate Bethel.

But in reality, JW MUST “prophesy again” and make these clarifications known:

(Revelation 10:11) And they say to me: “YOU MUST PROPHESY AGAIN with regard to peoples and nations and tongues and many kings.”

All I am saying to you is there is far more coming than simply the slam dunk “the end”, so just make a mental note of why the 7th King has to be superseded by the 8th King in far fuller manner than just the UN “image”, and that is what Bethel will not clarify, because that ministry is compromised. So test these words in the future, and see if Bethel’s “the end” arrives as fast as they imply. (2Thess2:1-2>>> by prophecy the apostasy has to be revealed first, the modern apostasy at Bethel.) Bethel is selling JWs the 2Thess2:1-2 premature end delusion “to the effect the day of Jehovah is here”, failing to also tell JWs their apostasy has to be revealed first, hence 2Thess2:1-4 full meaning now present at Bethel.

It is all already in the prophecy, in the places Bethel will neither clarify or summarize to logical conclusion, because they are the signal apostasy and these are the symptoms of it.


Daniel 2 Image Head of Gold and Two Witnesses

As satan is the golden head that is king over all kings today directed by globalists and elites appoint the United Nation’s as his mouthpiece. Satan’s king of kings as the golden head ends in the very near future. There will be visual validity of this switch in powers from satan to rebuilding the temple in the SPIRIT of the people. If the people are the temple, the Holy Spirit is the Witness of the validity of the changing of the guards. Joshua and Zerubbabel and many other prophets coming out of BTG will help rebuild the temple. This is the last days but not how the GB say.

Yes, in reality the second of the “two witnesses” is to go forth in the “tribulation of those days” and it will have a clear outline of coming events, because we have the luxury of knowing the formula displayed as WW1 played out a similar tribulation principle, and distraction principle, FULLY intending to present the League of Nations “image” of world government as the “admired” “solution” to that, at that time, new global “problem”.

Thus it is a formula, and this is why God ensured the first cycle would be fully proclaimed in a concurrent Kingdom of God proclamation, EVEN IF the cycle has yet to run over WW2, and Cold WW3 next two cycles for three, so far.

No we KNOW there is a “foursquare” fourth cycle as the King North polarity is the culmination of the “top of the world” 8th King full world government reality to come AFTER that Matthew 24:29 “tribulation of those days” runs. NO WONDER Christ does not arrive until AFTER the “tribulation of those days” has completed:

(Matthew 24:29) . . .“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

This is because the 4th cycle to result in the “head of gold” capped whole Daniel 2 “immense image” “stand” complete, is required BEFORE Christ arrives.

Thus the two witnesses 2.0 ministry will have been going forth into the actual arrival of Christ WHILE the “tribulation of those days” 4th cycle is running to that foretold resolution.


Thus Bethel selling “the end” way too premature is part of the delusion that will aid the hoax that will envelop JWs in darkness for some time, the “EVENING” of Daniel 8:14,26. Bethel is aiding the full derailment of what was founded in the first witness of “two witnesses” 1.0.

Bethel also obscures the Cold War 3rd cycle, and that is the time they went UN NGO, and that is thus the time the apostasy becomes recognizable publicly as prophecy by Bethel hi-jacking and subverting actions WITH a unique UN NGO endorsement campaign in the very basic UN NGO function in the UN Department of Public Information. Groups join the UN DPI to PROMOTE positive UN information globally in their unique information sectors.

Thus the “library card” ruse is not the basic UN promoting and publicizing function of the UN NGO in the UN DPI administrative system. Becoming UN NGO is becoming an 8th King promoter, plain and simple, Bethel now places itself on the wild beast, and the place the “disgusting thing” right “in the temple” and right in the JW “constant feature” by such actions.

Today’s backwardized and mostly newbie JWs have no awareness and alertness to the true meaning of going UN NGO. Now the GB experiment has bore its most serious transgression to date, right into the now bedarkened JW ministry. NO WONDER no actual “new light” has come into the org since 1969. Even the GB offended God in its dictatorship to the point ALL LIGHT was cut off the very second they couped Bethel, 1976. That is also when JWs numbers go from 15% growth to today’s dismal 1%, and may be actual negative numbers hidden by Bethel fictional stats.

So we have in reality, a transgression era so serious in JWs, as to only be rivaled by the Pharisees who actually railroaded and murdered Jesus Christ. Bethel makes the Papal system and Christendom look like Girl Scouts, because Bethel has to have defectors and impostors who KNOW the divine truth, and work against it, and stagnate it, and befoul it anyways (Zech3:3). Hence the true meaning of Daniel 11:30b “those leaving the holy covenant” and Daniel 11:31a profanations of the whole anointed Christian ministerial proper, and Daniel 11:31b UN 3rd placement and “THEY will certainly place the [UN] disgusting thing” that 3rd time, and BETHEL is part of that “they” in  “those leaving the holy covenant” the ONLY place the “holy covenant” has been identified since after 1919, in Jehovah’s witnesses Christian anointed, NOT Christendom.

Thus you are exactly right, the end is near for the “head of Gold” 8th King system, BUT it yet has to go full blown global rulership, in full world government completion. And hence the “world peace” presentation the “tribulation of those days” will resolve into, is yet required AND THE FIRST CYCLE OF THE ANOINTED MINISTRY AND WW1, is what lays the exact pattern for this final cycle.

Of course Bethel conceals all this, and when God tosses their ship, the “two witnesses” 2.0 will have its work cut out for it, because God has ALREADY outlined the meaning of the “tribulation of those days” and its formulaic resolution into 8th King full world government completion. Thus like WW1, the “tribulation of those days” is also a global distraction cycle, and Bethel aids that end by promoting that delusion of the premature end among JWs found in exact form at 2Thess2:1-2, “to the effect the day of Jehovah is here”, prematurely, when IN FACT the fourth cycle is just getting ready to START.

And no wonder the “judgment is to START with the house of God” also starts as the final cycle starts, and it is necessary for God and Christ to finalize the inspection (Zech3:1-3), with judgment, and to arrive in that darkness period of that “trampling” Bethel corporate “desolation” to CLEAN OUT today’s Bethel frauds as per Isaiah 66:6 and Zechariah 3:4-5. Now it is actually an anointed Christian judgment and purification, BUT Bethel provides a globally known, anointed Christian associated high profile global ministry and corporate complex to act as the epicenter of God’s judgment; and that aids connecting it to the anointed Christian judgment, who are unseen and globally distributed, later, so the whole cycle can be explained BEFORE it climaxes into what it will climax into.

And this is true:

“Joshua and Zerubbabel and many other prophets coming out of BTG will help rebuild the temple. This is the last days but not how the GB say.”

Bethel is part of the Babel system of darkness, revisited and enslaving JWs, that many anointed have to be freed from. AND the BROADENED call will go out to the greater BTG environment, because the judgment does not start with them, and Christendom in that BTG whole, will also have a call for final anointings that Bethel discourages now, and suspends the completion of. Thus a HUGE salvation message is going out, AND BETHEL APOSTASY, will be the focus of part of that expose’, because what they hide as apostate, they also provide the rationale of explaining the whole thing starting with the Bethel apostasy, and reconnecting the 3rd and 4th UN placements to the first two UN placements JWs already exposed.

Thus Bethel going down long before BTG, who MUST go down under full 8th King world government (Rev16:12,17, Rev17:15-18), will provide a liberation of truth and peoples, and that will aid temple completion. (Zech4:6-9) And rather than stay stuck on long exposed Christendom old hat apostasy, the exposure of Bethel’s “man of lawlessness” will take precedent to clarify truth to people they now bury. And GOD AND CHRIST GUARANTEE this will go forth from them, because it truly is the real “end of the world” cycle of Matthew 24:14 COMPLETING.

The FACT is the first cycle of the ministry and WW1 formula for world government, ALREADY EXPLAINS the final cycle. I am not interpreting anything, I just take that first cycle, and apply it to the final cycle meaning, it is the same meaning as ww1-to-world-government, just to completion of it. All we are doing is RECONNECTING the first two UN placements to form from that first cycle and the League of Nations placement, and CONNECTING them to the 3rd and 4th UN placements Bethel now TRUNCATES as lawless frauds, and expert actors for King North 8th King.

It is already all there, all we are doing is CONNECTING it up to MODERN UN and globalization reality, rather than that 1945 UN second placement alone, as JWs are now FULLY OUT-OF-DATE by this Bethel subversive apostasy and allowance of King North to INTERNALLY enter Bethel (Dan11:41) and explicitly control it internally:

(Daniel 11:32) “And those who are acting wickedly against [the] covenant (at Bethel), he (8th King/King North) will lead into apostasy by means of smooth words. (The Bethel “smooth words” 8th King cover-up in the JW publications is part of the smoothly justified apostasy);

KING NORTH is who CAUSES and directs the apostasy through defector anointed at one time at Bethel, logically by now, in any authoritative power, Bethel is all King North fraud IMPOSTORS; this is now beyond just apostasy, Bethel houses the 8th King expert subverters INTERNALLY, all over the corporate and logistic complex because they want the assets including JWs, to be captured, as many as they can. (WT 11/15/13, pg. 20, par. 17, see #3)

Thus selling JWs a delusion to SMOKESCREEN those events with a JW false perception, is going to be very handy “at that time”. But as per Hosea 1:4-7, God allows Bethel to be crunched, but He will NOT allow the global anointed Christian “Jerusalem” to be taken. And in Hosea’s time, and Isaiah’s that is when the “destroyer” neutralized the 185000 Assyrians outside the walls of Jerusalem. (Isa36:37, 31:8-9, Mic5:6-7). That is a principle God will in time end the 8th King Assyrian global anti-JW campaign to form as Bethel is going down.

So similarly, Bethel will go down, but is is GUARANTEED the Destroyer will form a recovery (Rev8-9), it cannot fail, the whole truth must come out in time. That is when God and Christ “come to the temple” and no frauds will be allowed to remain in the anointed Christian override. And it will be with enough time in the “tribulation of those days” to allow a SECOND WITNESS.

Thus “This is the last days but not how the GB say.”, is true, it is the end of their “a system of things” of the Bethel system as Matthew 13:36-42 final fulfillment, final “wheat” and “weed” sift right IN the temple. It is the “middle of the night the cry arose” determination of the five foolish and 5 wise virgins, it is the Zechariah 3:6-7 determination of the final round “faithful and discreet slave” designate opportunity, REQUIRING completing the “two witnesses” “little scroll” 2.0 to be deployed successfully, and God aids it (Rev11:2). It all aids the process, it allows the final anointings and the mission that allows the final sealings in the “tribulation of those days” of Revelation 7:1-2, as that leads to those “four winds” of Matthew 24:31, AFTER the “tribulation of those days” has ended.

The “four winds” comes after world government, not in the “tribulation of those days”, as per Matthew 24:29-31. Thus expect the end to come on Bethel first, and for them to continue to sell that as something entirely different to help conceal the fourth cycle activation starting meaning, for their 8th King masters. JWs will lose a lot of money and assets, and imo they are being prepared even now, FOR BETHEL ITSELF TO CALL OFF THE JW MINISTRY FROM THEIR OWN MOUTH. And that is NOT from God as permanent, it is a judgment as God allows them to do this (it defines Dan8:14 signal marker of ministerial cessation, imo), it is from the MOL and 8th King they hope to end the JW ministry for good, and Daniel 8:13 is the “trampling” by the “Assyrian” that outlines what is really up.

Of course this is all prophecy locations in Daniel 8 and 11 fully buried by Bethel as they “throw truth to the earth” as Daniel 8:12. It ends soon, but true, not quite as soon as JWs are expecting, a FOURTH cycle to full world government must run and complete as Matthew 24:29. (Dan11:42-45 merging into Daniel 12 final fulfillment time periods);

But anyhow, just keep alert, it seems only those honest enough to call Bethel’s crimes for what they are are now capable of seeing this, I believe anointed of course get the priority awareness. But not all calling Bethel crimes also understand the whole import, that it is an apostate KEY SIGNAL PROPHECY. So talk about a mixed company and confusion taken to the max, ESPECIALLY right in the congregation, anointed are the real target.

Of course this will bring Christ to the temple first. (2Thess2:8), and as per his earthly mission his temple visit precedes the finality of the sacrifice, in this case the constant feature carried out to the full, in a second witness, when that time comes, Christ precedes that to oversee that final ministry, same pattern.

Not all will see this. And plus, even anointed Christian are wandering and get derailed by various doubts and minutia, so we need to keep the bigger picture opf Revelation 8-11 final fulfillment requirement in mind, and the import of announcing a guaranteed Messianic Kingdom completion coming. Of course finishing the anointing and sealings is a prerequisite of that bigger completion that enables Christ FINAL coronation in ALSO the Messianic Kingdom agency, Zechariah 6:9-15, Rev19:11-21, Psalm 110, Rev14, Matt25:31-46 sequences.

Christ has been kinged in the Kingdom of God, but he also must be kinged Messianic Kingdom King in his own Kingdom as well (Luke22:28-30, Dan2:31-45, Zech6:1-8), and for Bethel to not summarize this obvious logic, is telling they are frauds and spiritual renegades. OF COURSE the second witness will make this ever important Messianic Kingdom completion announcement, as the 8th King is also completing, and the climax will be set concurrently for Armageddon conflict at universal scale, because Satan is going down too, the “powers” of those “heavens will be shaken” as well. (Isa24:21-22).

1914 Foundatonal “Oil” and the Five Wise Virgins



The modern day prophets are presuppositionalist because at this time each of us are building the truth and learning from each other like virgins. We need to help brother King to see through the scrptures. The 1914-1919 ministry is important and I explain “why” it is important to us one hundred years later in my manifesto. My manifesto is in pdf and I will post it soon. Brother King is a prophet and may have issues like Paul which at one time led to a bitter arguement among the apostles. Nevertheless, he is prophesying. We will pray for each other.

Yes I cannot presume to know Robert King’s state. And like Bethel I have tried to ponder a few options of him, them, and say anointedjw, and others. (heck, including myself, lol)

I feel we are in a period of anointed darkness. I think it affects the core anointed flock, and as before Satan wants to use dispute and division, and even in JWs, he is successful, as foretold. And it gets yet worse; (Zech13:7)

ALL those patterns are for our benefit and repeat. That is why the 1914 ministry was so important, it laid out a pattern AND principles, with astounding world developments for its time. SHOOT! The Federal Reserve was also born in the same cycle, LOL!




Thus respecting the foundational prophecy truth and truthful principles is our “oil” and “reserve”, imo—we NEED to KEEP that “oil” as reserve!!!!. And it is “in reserve” so when God LIGHTS IT UP, when we have to use it, the light is [[ALREADY]] there, the first cycle is to be the last cycle, as simple as that, but to complete form, for example, Christ will ACTUALLY SHOW UP!!!!

So in the meantime we have 10 virgins, meaning 10 “individuals” comprising one “body” at this time, and as per Matt25:5 ALL of them “nodded off”. Thus we have a distribution as well, but to God it is a “body” of a whole, as 10 virgins God will look at us individually.


But when it comes time to light up, that “oil” is already “in reserve”, from before the nap. This is why the wise say to the foolish: go and buy it from those that sell it, the new “oil” versions. The new oil would be, imo, useless. The reserve “oil” is the key “oil”.

Thus when prophecy “lights up” based on a meaning ALREADY given for us, the “light” is the same “light”, lighting up the way for people to see Christ’s arrival before it occurs, in enough foresight and certainty, yet approximated enough to know it will occur, his “Arrival” is also already in the first cycle PREVIEW.

So we just wait, and we see in our own time, when “that cry arose in the middle of the night” to the 10 virgins, because that is an angelic call, it is, imo, at the end of the “evening” “night” phase of Dan8:14,26, at the peak of the darkness JWs will be tossed into, TEMPORARILY, by the MOL, not by God, it is a discipline. The “night” darkness is from apostasy.

When that “cry arises” that is when virgins go to either full light or darkness from God by perception of what the “oil” really is, and what it was based on in the first place. Once lit up from base prophecy “oil”, like a “lamp shining in a dark place, until day dawns”, the real oil source, when understood as “light”, that must come from God (2Pet1:19-21), is the prophecy, hence 2Pet1:19-21.

Thus prophecy and oil and light and understanding the real meaning, is all related, and we have a preview enlightenment from that 1914-1919 period to hang on to.

BUT in Zechariah 4:1-5 is a GUARANTEED ETERNAL SOURCE of MORE oil (the two olive trees), so in the recovery period, imo, some anointed wandering in darkness, who are yet too inexperienced in prophecy to even have had a “reserve” of original “oil”, CAN THEN ALSO be fully enlightened. So we CANNOT give up at any point in this process of enlightenment, even now in the darkness with this spark of there being far more going on at apostate Bethel.

So we are in a period that we MUST try to help even people in disagreement with us, etc, for now it is so dark and confused, ONLY the foundation we already have is our anchor. And we know why so many wander about at this and that and the other thing. EVEN if some lost “oil” there WILL be OPPORTUNITY of replenishment LATER——BUT the original “oil” CANNOT be compromised, “give us some” so the “five foolish virgins” can light up but another error, for many errors will come forth in this period even worse than now (Matt24:23-25 climaxing), because it will be energized by HUGE global events of the “tribulation of those days” actually manifesting, such as Bethel’s downfall judgment.

THAT is when Satan wants to use ALL this error for MASS confusion in the world, [[AND]] in the anointed “body” undergoing this “oil” assessment. DO NOT BE FOOLED, the original “oil” is the main “oil” to light up these kinds of final details to go into the “five wise virgins” gathering in NEW anointed, some of which will be total newbies. PLUS the “five wise virgins” have the surge of second olive tree, that lights with the second witnessing, as Zechariah 4 parallels Revelation 11, and Zechariah 3 preceding it also paralleled events in Revelation 8-10 that LEAD TO the final witnessing 2.0.

Thus it’s going to get BRIGHT when all this goes out when God and Christ BACK IT FULLY, and they will. When that Rev9 “Abyss” opens in final fulfillment, it will be like bringing cave dwellers in anointed to noon day light, it will take time to absorb and adjust.

So we cannot get stuck in getting off course in minutia now being used to mislead anointed to miss the big picture here. 1914-1919 already provides the “big picture”, we need to GUARD it, and help others to appreciate it and respect it, it is EXACTLY what it claimed to be from 1914-1945 in progressive fashion. Even it had to adjust progressively to its own brightness, at that time of 1914 onward, it was not overnight, it took time, BUT it is the ANCHOR lamp and it is the FIRST “olive tree” that is the basis of our “oil” in “reserve” now! Keep it in reserve, do NOT dump it out in this anti-JW anti-1914 campaign rampant on the Web.

Without that “oil” all the pieces of the “big picture” puzzle get scattered, and I think many anointed are now looking at various pieces, forgetting or never understanding those pieces are ALREADY in the 1914-1919 main structure of the puzzle and we have the “picture on the box” now. Imagine putting a puzzle together without that guiding image on the box? That is what is happening now all over the web.

We NEED to keep that “big picture”, that foundation and anchor, imo, and I feel actually more than my opinion.

It is too late to invent a “new religion” a new “big picture”. Worse, imagine putting together a puzzle with the WRONG guiding picture? Same thing.

Now we have an anointed revival that did make the core issues known since 1914 in progressive manner to now understand the “causes desolation” is part of the “disgusting thing” CYCLIC process for its own presentation as global “healer” of the very desolation they cause. They are con men at global scale. They use that pattern 1-2-3- and soon 4, over and over again. Thus calling the pattern for what it is, a world-war-to-world-government CYCLIC pattern, is ALSO part of this easier to see truth “big picture”.

But any how, they want people to doubt and throw away that initial ministry of exposure since 1914, of the 8th King fraud world government system, and many are doing this now by tossing the baby with the bathwater due to Bethel lawless hypocrisy, as per 2Pet2:1-3. Bethel hypocrisy is what aids discrediting 1914 on the Web. Thus Bethel lawlessness is also undermining the original “oil” reserve in that 1914 truth, EVEN anointed are now buying that deception and also doubting 1914.

NO WONDER 1914 is under full attack aided by lawless apostate Bethel by their hypocrisy and waffling bull.

(2 Peter 2:1-3) However, there also came to be false prophets among the people, as there will also be false teachers among you (like Bethel now). These very ones will quietly bring in destructive sects (like the GB cult) and will disown even the owner that bought them, bringing speedy destruction upon themselves. 2 Furthermore, many will follow their acts of loose conduct, and on account of these the way of the truth will be spoken of abusively. (they aid discrediting the whole JW ministry) 3 Also, with covetousness they will exploit you with counterfeit words. But as for them, the judgment from of old is not moving slowly, and the destruction of them is not slumbering.

NO WONDER Peter mentions 2 Peter 2:1-3 right after the light of 2 Peter 1:19-21 in “paying attention to prophecy as to a lamp shining in a dark place”. VERY VERY important is respecting and paying attention to our foundational anointed Christian modern “lamp shining” found in PROPHECY, when God opens it up; and that he did that already for that 1914-1919 VALID PREVIEW, we have the luxury of just keeping the RESERVE OIL, it is the same oil, and waiting for when GOD lights it up.

The light is already in that first “oil”, it is just not fully time for God to light it up, BUT he will, and it is the same prophecy repeating, and thus the same oil in “reserve” is from that clarified original batch.


It is the same “oil”, the same potential “light” “oil” is before being lit, because it is the same light, just lit up a final time in the future (Rev10:11), but to the same EXACT same principle meanings, and the same main players, especially Christ gauging in his full arrival! DO NOT, imo, let people discredit the 1914-1919 master “oil” cycle of enlightenment basis, it is the same old story the 8th King uses and that is why THEY are who try to erase 1914 from existence. That is how God nailed them, in their first cycle—he exposes their little world government formula in that first cycle. Now it is just a required final run, to their full completion, “one hour”, and full ouster. It is the SAME basic story, thus 1914-1919 is important, and thus that is why they attempt to erase it and discredit it, it NAILS them from the getgo.

Plain as day, its all the same story. God has made it as simple as possible, especially when we KEEP the original LIGHT and it’s original OIL as reserve. The light will light up again, a second witness.

That is why I feel the 1914-1919 “oil” is so important to KEEP in reserve. Those starting to doubt that, are DUMPING their needed oil. So yes, try to convince them to KEEP IT IN RESERVE, treasure it, it WILL be needed later. And even later some who dry out, or had none to start with, can get the replenishment of Zechariah 4. True there must be some foolish virgins, and Satan is not doing all this for total failure, so some will topple, BUT God will give every opportunity for repentance to lost anointed for the whole cycle. But he will not compromise the core truth because human world government completion will trigger Christ.

Thus the simplest import is that their world government project completion schedule is as good as knowing when Christ will arrive, in approximate but certain terms. They complete world government, Christ shows up on a complete rival 8th King, as simple as that to understand. And since it takes some final years for them to complete that world government schedule, lo and behold that schedule completing can be used to gauge when Christ will arrive, in approximate terms.

And this is why the final cycle, using first cycle principles, to be made known is important, because people will see that cycle play out fully and if they know or consider what it really means, they can use it for salvation; they can know human world government completion will usher Christ on in, for real, and he is coming to save all willing to have him as king, and must even save some ignorant of his existence and the issue, the newbies who say “when did we see you naked and hungry????”

That can only be the most novice “sheep” one can find by that time, total newbies, Christ will save some people who haven’t a clue based on heart.

(Romans 2:15-16) They are the very ones who demonstrate the matter of the law to be written in their hearts, while their conscience is bearing witness with them and, between their own thoughts, they are being accused or even excused. 16 This will be in the day when God through Christ Jesus judges the secret things of mankind, according to the good news I declare.

That “day” starts at Christ’s arrival (Matt10:23), and Christ will have salvation as his goal even when assessing totally clueless people on the fringes of the 8th King suppressed system. Thus the final salvation message is far BROADER then Bethel’s elitist fantasy of self-righteousness and apostate delusions.

(Matthew 10:23) 23 When they persecute you in one city, flee to another; (symbol of 7th and 8th King global truth suppression) for truly I say to you, you will by no means complete the circuit of the cities of Israel UNTIL the Son of man arrives.

“Until” implies the circuit is completed, but not “until” Christ arrives on the 8th King suppressed system, formerly suppressed by the 7th King and other global Caesars.

Thus in the logic, CHRIST completes the GLOBAL “circuit”, Christ finishes his own ministry upon arrival (Ps110:2), for SALVATION first, hence Rev14:14-16 before Rev14:17-20, Matt25:31-40 before Matt25:41-46. Thus those Bethel frauds are attempting to bypass the greatest period of [[OPEN SALVATION]] of all time in support of 7th and 8th King truth suppression.

(Romans 1:18-19) For God’s wrath is being revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who are suppressing the truth in an unrighteous way, 19 because what may be known about God is manifest among them, for God made it manifest to them.

Robert King, Bethel Apostasy and 1914 Foundational Cycle

Q: Do you read Robert King’s blogs and videos? He is also a prophet on Bethel apostasy. I will post my manifesto Friday or next week. I focus on accepting the “invitation” to the wedding feast of Jesus or becoming anointed. It’s a short declaration but I really want to get it done this year. I will post it here first and I hope whoever reads it shares it with others. The Bible is a fascinating Book that has many events that are synonymous with the last says and the covenant of Jesus. It is like a puzzle that God opens the minds of His anointed to understand. Otherwise, many would know what you and I know. We must feed God’s sheep because God will make them grow if we plant (1 Corinthians 3:5-7).

I BELIEVE Jehovah’s witnesses anointed Christian prophecy of the 1914-1919 cycle as the first world government cycle, and the first modern Kingdom proclamation that eventually fully manifested from 1914 to say 1950 or so. (I too think the apostasy was setting root around 1945 time periods, approximate)

So I read some Robert King, but DO NOT AGREE with his abandonment of 1914 important early JW and WW1-to-world-government prophecy. 1914-1919, is to me, the FOUNDATION cycle and the MASTER PATTERN of the final cycle, they are essentially the same exact prophecy, just the final cycle we are coming to will equate to full 8th King world government.

Thus imo, 1914-1919 is very very important to get the big picture. World-war-to-world-government is a common cycle now, and it is the basic meaning in that dimension of rival world government development of the FIRST cycle and WW1. It is very important to see world government likes to present the “solution” right after the world tribulation “problem”. It is a formula.

As bad as it may seem to get, they will resolve that coming “tribulation of those days” for 8th King world government and that final “world peace” of 1Thess5:1-3. And it takes some years, not many, but some, to unwind that cycle.

I feel lawless Bethel is a purposeful internal defection and subverting INFILTRATION designed to also discredit the original cycle by Bethel’s ridiculous lawlessness and reproaches and inane spiritual hubris. (Dan11:32a, 41)


This is why the truths Robert King does have are actually, imo, dangerous because it relies on overturning the primary truth cycle of 1914-1919. Thus in its own way, Bethel and sites like King support the same error, attempting to dump all 1914 significance. Bethel aids this not directly, but indirectly by providing reproach, error and hypocrisy to make people now doubt the WHOLE JW ministry. That is how Bethel works hand in hand with these other external errors, mixed with truth. The main goal is the total discrediting of the WHOLE JW ministry, and the discrediting of the first cycle of 1914-1919. Wiping that out will totally lose all anchor in prophecy.

So to me this applies to Robert King and all, including myself:

(Acts 5:38-39) And so, under the present circumstances, I say to you, Do not meddle with these men, but let them alone; (because, if this scheme or this work is from men, it will be overthrown; 39 but if it is from God, you will not be able to overthrow them;) otherwise, you may perhaps be found fighters actually against God.”

I do not recommend tossing the baby with the bathwater. Bethel is apostate, but the anointed Christian ministry of 1914 I do respect and uphold, and it just gets clearer when we know the world government cycle also pictured there, will, imo, repeat, and I feel it is more than opinion, but prophecy, prophecy Bethel works to undermine, while claiming to uphold it.

“”The Bible is a fascinating Book that has many events that are synonymous with the last says and the covenant of Jesus. It is like a puzzle that God opens the minds of His anointed to understand. Otherwise, many would know what you and I know. We must feed God’s sheep because God will make them grow if we plant (1 Corinthians 3:5-7)””

yes. Exactly. And God using a teaching pattern, 1914-1919, to REPEAT it for the final pattern, is, imo, the best way to allow this teaching to become easily perceived by anyone, come the time God opens the eyes of many, based on the first anointed Christian ministry of our time. We are just reviving it for the final cycle.

And we need not get stuck on minutia disagreements eher and there, BUT we need to keep the FOUNDATION of the FIRST CYCLE, because it is a true witness, and it si the basis of the second true witness, and that is WHY THERE ARE TWO WITNESSES!!!! THEY REPLICATE, THE LAST ONE REPEATS (REV10:11), THE FIRST ONE, SAME MESSAGE, BUT AT COMPLETION!

Let us know when you have your testimony available. In the meantime let unity be the goal in the things many others are seeking to uproot in that first ministry, similar things need to be stated in the final cycle, except BETHEL’S APOSTASY is the central pronouncement in that portion of the repeat of Revelation 8-9 concerning why the temple judgment was required.

Plus it tests us to see if we are candid and honest and aware enough to call our own house of anointed on our own sins, like Daniel in Daniel 9:1-9. We have to realize, the anointed Christian house is in RECORD LEVELS of disarray and wandering. Bethel has aided this, and it is going to get worse. Like Jesus said:

(Matthew 24:24-25) For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will give great signs and wonders so as to mislead, if possible, even the chosen ones. 25 Look! I have forewarned you.

Bethel aids that work. But we take the warning deep and serious, Bethel is the main culprit working AGAINST anointed now.


And Bethel apostasy is just part of the final announcement required to come out fully, human world government is a primary entity to track, and the Messianic Kingdom completion occurs in tangent with that world government completion as the final cycle winds down. Hence why God will create a recovery as per Rev9-11:1-7 in final fulfillment..

The Messianic Kingdom completion in all anointed (Rev14:1, Rev7:1-4, 1Thess4:17, Matt24:31), is the most important import of that final cycle. Just as the first cycle announced Kingdom birth, in time, and God’s Kingdom all along, the final “two witnesses” second witnessing announces the arrival of God and Christ, to complete the Messianic Kingdom completion fully, in the 8th King face, as per Psalm 110.

But of course its going to get much clearer once Bethel is tossed fully, and exposed, by God as their apostasy runs the course, and it will get worse for a while in JWs, they do get a climax period in that Daniel 8:13 “trampling”, God and Christ do not arrive into the temple immediately, accounting and discipline also is occurring upon anointed and the purification to come when that passes, and no evil “man of lawlessness” will be lift “in the temple” when God and Christ arrive for the recovery, arrive into the temple, not for the end yet, because a final proclamation has to go forth as per Rev10:11.

But it will get clearer in time dependent not on man, but on God, and he will REAFFIRM the first witness in the second witnessing of the “two witnesses”. It is actually logical why it has to have happened twice.

Just be patient and keep praying and staying awake. Bethel will be the “epicenter” of that final cycle starting, not ending, and that is why they sell those events as “the end” to JWs, to cover their exit tracks, and leave JWs in a deep smoking hoax for a while. In time JWs will need a full wake up call, and we can aid the explanation, God willing. JWs are totally off course and misled, it is what it is. Its like a flock of Geese flying way up in the sky following 8 GB geese the wrong way, a few follow then they all just flock to where everyone else seems to be going lime they know where they are going. Problem is those “geese” are a bunch of liars and UN aligned drunks, and by now they have to KNOW what they are doing, misleading JWs to a trap.


Q: Do you read Robert King’s blogs and videos? He is also a prophet on Bethel apostasy.

But true, Robert King exposes the apostasy of Bethel from way back. We need to connect that apostasy to prophecy.

OF COURSE an apostasy of such significance in the last point of former anointed Christian developmental truth IS GOING TO BE EXPLICITLY DESCRIBED IN THE PROPHECY!


But since Robert King also discredits the primary ministry and primary cycle of 1914-1919, it seems the prophecy of the apostasy alludes him.

BUT the very prophecy Bethel conceals in Daniel 8:11-14, 23-25 and Daniel 11:27-45 with PROVEN fictions is EXACTLY where the prophecy that foretells the apostasy as a CO-DEVELOPMENT with that 3rd UN placement of 1990, that BETHEL ALSO SUBVERTS AS UN NGO.

Bethell conceals the very prophecy that foretells their apostasy, while they fulfill it, go figure!

But know this, like the WW1 cycle, the final cycle will seem like the end of the world. Just as to the 1914 peoples the “Great War” seemed like it would never end, it did end, and it ended into a world government foundational presentation.

The final cycle coming up will do THE EXACT SAME THING.

The “death stroke” is one of perception:

(Revelation 13:3) And I saw one of its heads AS THOUGH slaughtered to death, but its death-stroke got healed, and all the earth followed the wild beast with admiration.

All they have to do, as in WW1, is make “the end” appear AS THOUGH it is certain. But as in WW1, the “death stroke” was not so bad, but it was enough of a “problem” in perception and tribulation events, that the League of Nations “solution” was a great relief.

Thus the “all the earth followed the wild beast with admiration” is part of that “problem” to “solution” formula. They “cause a desolation” so severe and so seemingly hopeless, that when it does come time for them to “heal” the system, the system is begging by that time for the “solution”.

And thus the sucker’s bait of how they present world government as admirable , is to also present the big solution at the proper time, when the tribulation cycle has run its “problem” course fully.

In fact, after WW2, they used it again:

(Revelation 17:8) And when they see how the wild beast was, but is not, and yet will be present, those who dwell on the earth will wonder admiringly. . .

Same thing, the League of Nations going “down” as impotent, gave “rise” to the UN, to also be “admired” as the world peace heroes; yet their elites are who engineer the whole “causes desolation” development, and it ALL serves their purpose.

After the unique Cold WW3 (Dan11:29), they did the same thing! (Daniel 11:31b, Dan8:23a), and that is how we know it will repeat a fourth time.

And the point is, the “recovery” and “healing” principle of Revelation 13:3, and the “abyss ascension” of Revelation 17:8-11, WILL REPEAT AS A WHOLE IN THIS FINAL CYCLE.

Not only will their be another “sword stroke”, there will be another UN impotence imo, and then they can come out of the “tribulation of those days” as the “causes desolation” “abyss”, and offer the final healing, and as in WW1, WW2 and Cold WW3, the world will admire it, again, it is a formula as well as a repeating cycle.

Thus the prophecy that foretells it all, also repeats.

And this is why they want to sell this final cycle “as though” it is “the end of the world”, and Bethel now FULLY aids this delusion, because it aids the final cycle recovery and “sword stroke got healed”, and missing this principle, as King does, is not a good thing.

In reality 1914-1919 is the main pattern and most important cycle because it contains all the main formulaic principles and final entities they will complete in the final cycle, by use of the same formula.

And this is why the Bethel “the end” is designed to fail, and attempt to discredit the whole prophecy.

Do not be fooled. 1914-1919 is the main pattern, and it will repeat, and this time world government is what they will be “following with admiration”.

Bethel Apostasy and 3rd (1990) and 4th UN Steps to World Government

Q: Well we both know of the refining work and how it can apply even to God’s people. And as it is written, judgment begins at the house of God. I would just say this. Whoever God is using and happy with will be doing this great preaching of the kingdom worldwide, then the end will come. I personally don’t see any other group doing that, specifically, other than maybe the Church of God, which is a discussion topic in itself. Can you say, your found ‘splinter’ is doing anything that would cause people to flock to it?



There is no splinter. The Bethel apostasy has hi-jacked the anointed Christian ministry.

The ministry is from God, through Christ, to genuine anointed Christians as per Revelation 1:1, that is the core truth that Jehovah’s witnesses are another name for; a once fully genuine anointed guided ministry, guided by God through Christ.

That will be given back to anointed Christians, the “body of the Christ” needs no “religion” because it is the “faith of Jesus Christ” (Rev14:12), BUT God has used the Jehovah’s witnesses “group” and in the past, and even today, but it is also carrying a masterfully concealed, yet UN NGO hidden in plain sight apostasy, and THAT apostasy is what is removed and exposed.

The clarified ministry continues with anointed Christians regaining the house (see Zech3:4-5) from God, and Jehovah’s witnesses is the overall ministerial name Jehovah will keep, because He will sanctify his name due to Bethel lawlessness, in the very place He is now being reproached. (Eze36:22);

It is the anointed Christian ministry, from genuine anointed brothers and sisters of Jesus Christ, that will again oversee that final ministerial clarification and required (Rev10:11) FINAL full warning, because the world does not end as quickly as Bethel implies, the final cycle is the climax and it takes some YEARS to complete, hence the “endurance” of Matthew 24:13, results in Matthew 24:14 FULLY completed.

Jehovah’s witnesses will go through a required divine purge, and what comes forth from that will not be fraud anointed like today’s Governing Body and King North run (Dan11:32a) Bethel. How God does it fully, is yet to be seen, but the prophecy does repeat, and JWs are not now speaking of Revelation 8-11 FINAL fulfillment REQUIREMENT.

And this is because Bethel’s leadership is not actually who they claim they are, and they are now the leaders of the apostasy of Daniel 11:32a. (parallel 2Thess2:3-4 in final form);

Our preview meaning in the Revelation Grand Climax book is all truth, no problem with that foundational prophecy and ministry, except it is just a PREVIEW of a VERY VERY REAL final fulfillment of Revelation 8-11, 15-16, and the only full fulfillments of Revelation 14, 17-19, 20:1-3. Revelation 17:8-11 is a repeating portion of Revelation 17, because UN world government will arise from an “abyss” of inactivity in the “tribulation of those days” to come forth as world government to the full as Revelation 17:8-18.


The ONLY reason I would recommend getting out of the organization as Matthew 24:15, is because they plan to use the organization structure and “obedience” to it, to TRAP and seize Jehovah’s witnesses, as many as they can globally, in the first couple years of Daniel 8:13-14 events. (WT 11/15/2013, pg. 20, par. 17, read directive #3);

If that were not the case I would not encourage JWs to get out of the organization, it was the true locale of prophetic truth, but it has been infiltrated for quite some time. Fred Franz and Nathan Knorr had NOTHING to do with that operation, it was agents in the GB who accomplished that task, and it is foretold. (Dan8:12, Dan11:30-32);

Zechariah 4:6-9 shows Jehovah’s witnesses from the Christian anointed remaining core to be re-empowered,, WILL complete the final warning:

(Zechariah 4:6-9) . . .Accordingly he answered and said to me: “This is the word of Jehovah to Zerubbabel, saying, ‘“Not by a military force, nor by power, but by my spirit,” Jehovah of armies has said. 7 Who are you, O great mountain? Before Zerubbabel [you will become] a level land. And he will certainly bring forth the headstone. There will be shoutings to it: “How charming! (1st witness) How charming!”’” (2nd witness) 8 And the word of Jehovah continued to occur to me, saying: 9 “The very hands of Zerubbabel have laid the foundation of this house (1914-1919), [[[and his own hands will finish [it]]]] (in the future)

Governor Zerubbabel is an anointed Christian guidance type.

I tell you this because I know you may doubt it now, but after the events FULLY play out on Bethel, you will consider it later—in fact you will have to, you will have to tell JWs what is really going on, because “the end” will NOT arrive as quickly as JWs expect, not by a long shot; hence the need of the endurance of Matthew 24:13. And you can ask God by Christ anytime, and they will tell you now (or later), this is true.

I say it so you know, not to harm your faith, JWs have the truth, but also an error, I tell you this so you can know what Bethel’s required judgment and downfall REALLY means. You can say whether this is true or lie a number of years from now and that time (Dan8:14), because the world will not end as quickly as JWs are being deluded to expect, in fact it cannot for prophetic reasons and for the final completion of globalization worldwide, which completion is what empowers full world government, and that takes more years, not many, but more years are required.


a REAL brother of Jesus Christ.



Q: We are not “adjoined” The UN is like any gov’t agency and has power and rules and we have to be in subjection to those rules as long as they don’t compromise our faith. We don’t see any UN love in our religion. We have a measure of dealings so we can do more to preach the good news is all. The UN is a representative over all the world powers, and does have say so in how they operate, even though they are not a powerful nation like the U.S., so you have to read the Bible with some understanding of it’s signs in meaning than reading too much into how exact one imagines something to be. Whatever the case, chaos will represent “the end.” “Flesh will be saved.” We don’t have to worry about your theory of 3rd step, 4th step. Just worry about pure worship and trust in that, so that one realizes the hope they have will come to fruition. We are not going to overturn the system. God will.


Are the first two UN placements a “theory”?

Its not a theory, there was a 3rd UN placement that JWs used to be tracking in the first two UN placements of 1919, and 1945, as every UN “placement” comes after a a world war, WW1, WW2 and the bi-polar unique Cold War; still a world war. (Dan11:29)

To think God foretells the first two UN “placements” in the current JW “theory”, but does not foretell the 3rd UN placement in New World Order mode, is of course suspect.

OF COURSE God foretells the 3rd UN placement, it is at Daniel 11:31b AND Daniel 8:23. If God foretold the first two UN placements, you can bet your life He did not miss the 3rd UN placement in prophecy in 1990. Bet on it. JWs have missed it, and Bethel is the reason.

So JWs are fully derailed now, and worse.

Being a member promotions agency of “The Outreach Division” (OD) in the “UN Department of PUBLIC INFORMATION” as UN NGO is an advertising agency for the UN to be disseminated in the Watchtower press to the JW global audience as the base purpose of what a UN NGO does, as anyone can research on-line.

Being UN NGO is no innocent “affair”.

Becoming a sanctioned approved UN CO-PROMOTER of that 3rd UN placement in Awake! 9/8/1991, yet saying NOTHING of the prophecy it fulfills is not simply abiding by the rules of the “superior authorities”, it is a compromise and Bethel is “those leaving the holy covenant” of Daniel 11:30b, the ONLY place the holy covenant was identified since 1919 by our own theology on prophecy.

Thus being UN NGO and saying the 3rd placement is not even a “theory”, but rather, totally MEANINGLESS, [[is apostasy]] and outright subversion of the original JW ministry which was tracking the 1919 and 1945 first two UN placements of those times, LIVE AND REAL-TIME AS THE UN PLACED, and now JWs no longer announce the meaning of UN placements.

If you think the 3rd historic UN global presentation is “theory” then research the event on the Web, it is the source of the “New World Order” modern term in usage at that time, and in the Awake! 9/8/1991 issue, and others from 1991-2001 in Watchtower and Awake! publications. That is how the “constant feature” has been laced with UN promotions.

The 4th placement is world government a number of YEARS from now, certain by the very prophecy Bethel has now hi-jacked and subverted, because the first three UN placements in world history are not yet full world government, but full world government is guaranteed by prophecy.

The meaning of full world government is also a theme Bethel avoids, because their central leadership is aligned with the *ht King King North APOSTASY as per Daniel 11:32a, and this is why Bethel tries to float the USSR fiction as if Russia will place the “palatial tents” of Daniel 11:45.

OBVIOUSLY the 8th King ALONE will be world ruler in world government, there will not be two world governments in the end, Russia and the US/UK will all unite as per Revelation 16:13-16 into full world government with the rest of the nations, and that full world government unification is what will trigger the arrival of God and Christ, not now, not before, but AFTER the 4th UN placement as world government as Daniel 11:45, Daniel 8:25, and Revelation 17:11-18.

JWs are ignoring the 3rd UN placement of 1990, and that is no theory, that is Bethel policy. They do that to aid world government secrecy, and to derail and destroy the JW ministry, and they will sell that coup to JWs, aided from within Bethel /(Daniel11:41), as “the end”, and that is why JWs accept the truncated version of truth, out-dated by recent UN activity, that Bethel promotes as the leader of JWs, a leading into apostasy of Daniel 11:32a, because JWs no longer respect, nor track, nor pay attention to prophecy.

They worship the GB, who worships the wild beast and the UN NGO is just the tip of the iceberg and why Bethel will soon be in the temple judgment, not “the end”. And even if you doubt it now, you now know, and it will, believe it or not, prove helpful when Bethel goes down, by design, but the world PROCEEDS to that full 8th King world government.

The JW ministry will be recovered from the fire of Zechariah 3:2 of the temple judgment and the removal, accounting, and exposure of the Bethel apostasy globally and what it really means, and yet, even now it is in the prophecy, if only you would LOOK AT IT, and ACTUALLY “PAY ATTENTION to Daniel’s Prophecy” but for real.

What’s the point of saying we “pay attention to Daniel’s prophecy” and yet we do not REALLY “pay attention to Daniel’s prophecy”? Instead JWs pay attention to the GB apostate deceivers with UN supporting ties, including the full subversion of the modern JW ministry, FULLY, since 1990.