Q: Well we both know of the refining work and how it can apply even to God’s people. And as it is written, judgment begins at the house of God. I would just say this. Whoever God is using and happy with will be doing this great preaching of the kingdom worldwide, then the end will come. I personally don’t see any other group doing that, specifically, other than maybe the Church of God, which is a discussion topic in itself. Can you say, your found ‘splinter’ is doing anything that would cause people to flock to it?
There is no splinter. The Bethel apostasy has hi-jacked the anointed Christian ministry.
The ministry is from God, through Christ, to genuine anointed Christians as per Revelation 1:1, that is the core truth that Jehovah’s witnesses are another name for; a once fully genuine anointed guided ministry, guided by God through Christ.
That will be given back to anointed Christians, the “body of the Christ” needs no “religion” because it is the “faith of Jesus Christ” (Rev14:12), BUT God has used the Jehovah’s witnesses “group” and in the past, and even today, but it is also carrying a masterfully concealed, yet UN NGO hidden in plain sight apostasy, and THAT apostasy is what is removed and exposed.
The clarified ministry continues with anointed Christians regaining the house (see Zech3:4-5) from God, and Jehovah’s witnesses is the overall ministerial name Jehovah will keep, because He will sanctify his name due to Bethel lawlessness, in the very place He is now being reproached. (Eze36:22);
It is the anointed Christian ministry, from genuine anointed brothers and sisters of Jesus Christ, that will again oversee that final ministerial clarification and required (Rev10:11) FINAL full warning, because the world does not end as quickly as Bethel implies, the final cycle is the climax and it takes some YEARS to complete, hence the “endurance” of Matthew 24:13, results in Matthew 24:14 FULLY completed.
Jehovah’s witnesses will go through a required divine purge, and what comes forth from that will not be fraud anointed like today’s Governing Body and King North run (Dan11:32a) Bethel. How God does it fully, is yet to be seen, but the prophecy does repeat, and JWs are not now speaking of Revelation 8-11 FINAL fulfillment REQUIREMENT.
And this is because Bethel’s leadership is not actually who they claim they are, and they are now the leaders of the apostasy of Daniel 11:32a. (parallel 2Thess2:3-4 in final form);
Our preview meaning in the Revelation Grand Climax book is all truth, no problem with that foundational prophecy and ministry, except it is just a PREVIEW of a VERY VERY REAL final fulfillment of Revelation 8-11, 15-16, and the only full fulfillments of Revelation 14, 17-19, 20:1-3. Revelation 17:8-11 is a repeating portion of Revelation 17, because UN world government will arise from an “abyss” of inactivity in the “tribulation of those days” to come forth as world government to the full as Revelation 17:8-18.
The ONLY reason I would recommend getting out of the organization as Matthew 24:15, is because they plan to use the organization structure and “obedience” to it, to TRAP and seize Jehovah’s witnesses, as many as they can globally, in the first couple years of Daniel 8:13-14 events. (WT 11/15/2013, pg. 20, par. 17, read directive #3);
If that were not the case I would not encourage JWs to get out of the organization, it was the true locale of prophetic truth, but it has been infiltrated for quite some time. Fred Franz and Nathan Knorr had NOTHING to do with that operation, it was agents in the GB who accomplished that task, and it is foretold. (Dan8:12, Dan11:30-32);
Zechariah 4:6-9 shows Jehovah’s witnesses from the Christian anointed remaining core to be re-empowered,, WILL complete the final warning:
(Zechariah 4:6-9) . . .Accordingly he answered and said to me: “This is the word of Jehovah to Zerubbabel, saying, ‘“Not by a military force, nor by power, but by my spirit,” Jehovah of armies has said. 7 Who are you, O great mountain? Before Zerubbabel [you will become] a level land. And he will certainly bring forth the headstone. There will be shoutings to it: “How charming! (1st witness) How charming!”’” (2nd witness) 8 And the word of Jehovah continued to occur to me, saying: 9 “The very hands of Zerubbabel have laid the foundation of this house (1914-1919), [[[and his own hands will finish [it]]]] (in the future)
Governor Zerubbabel is an anointed Christian guidance type.
I tell you this because I know you may doubt it now, but after the events FULLY play out on Bethel, you will consider it later—in fact you will have to, you will have to tell JWs what is really going on, because “the end” will NOT arrive as quickly as JWs expect, not by a long shot; hence the need of the endurance of Matthew 24:13. And you can ask God by Christ anytime, and they will tell you now (or later), this is true.
I say it so you know, not to harm your faith, JWs have the truth, but also an error, I tell you this so you can know what Bethel’s required judgment and downfall REALLY means. You can say whether this is true or lie a number of years from now and that time (Dan8:14), because the world will not end as quickly as JWs are being deluded to expect, in fact it cannot for prophetic reasons and for the final completion of globalization worldwide, which completion is what empowers full world government, and that takes more years, not many, but more years are required.
a REAL brother of Jesus Christ.
Q: We are not “adjoined” The UN is like any gov’t agency and has power and rules and we have to be in subjection to those rules as long as they don’t compromise our faith. We don’t see any UN love in our religion. We have a measure of dealings so we can do more to preach the good news is all. The UN is a representative over all the world powers, and does have say so in how they operate, even though they are not a powerful nation like the U.S., so you have to read the Bible with some understanding of it’s signs in meaning than reading too much into how exact one imagines something to be. Whatever the case, chaos will represent “the end.” “Flesh will be saved.” We don’t have to worry about your theory of 3rd step, 4th step. Just worry about pure worship and trust in that, so that one realizes the hope they have will come to fruition. We are not going to overturn the system. God will.
Are the first two UN placements a “theory”?
Its not a theory, there was a 3rd UN placement that JWs used to be tracking in the first two UN placements of 1919, and 1945, as every UN “placement” comes after a a world war, WW1, WW2 and the bi-polar unique Cold War; still a world war. (Dan11:29)
To think God foretells the first two UN “placements” in the current JW “theory”, but does not foretell the 3rd UN placement in New World Order mode, is of course suspect.
OF COURSE God foretells the 3rd UN placement, it is at Daniel 11:31b AND Daniel 8:23. If God foretold the first two UN placements, you can bet your life He did not miss the 3rd UN placement in prophecy in 1990. Bet on it. JWs have missed it, and Bethel is the reason.
So JWs are fully derailed now, and worse.
Being a member promotions agency of “The Outreach Division” (OD) in the “UN Department of PUBLIC INFORMATION” as UN NGO is an advertising agency for the UN to be disseminated in the Watchtower press to the JW global audience as the base purpose of what a UN NGO does, as anyone can research on-line.
Being UN NGO is no innocent “affair”.
Becoming a sanctioned approved UN CO-PROMOTER of that 3rd UN placement in Awake! 9/8/1991, yet saying NOTHING of the prophecy it fulfills is not simply abiding by the rules of the “superior authorities”, it is a compromise and Bethel is “those leaving the holy covenant” of Daniel 11:30b, the ONLY place the holy covenant was identified since 1919 by our own theology on prophecy.
Thus being UN NGO and saying the 3rd placement is not even a “theory”, but rather, totally MEANINGLESS, [[is apostasy]] and outright subversion of the original JW ministry which was tracking the 1919 and 1945 first two UN placements of those times, LIVE AND REAL-TIME AS THE UN PLACED, and now JWs no longer announce the meaning of UN placements.
If you think the 3rd historic UN global presentation is “theory” then research the event on the Web, it is the source of the “New World Order” modern term in usage at that time, and in the Awake! 9/8/1991 issue, and others from 1991-2001 in Watchtower and Awake! publications. That is how the “constant feature” has been laced with UN promotions.
The 4th placement is world government a number of YEARS from now, certain by the very prophecy Bethel has now hi-jacked and subverted, because the first three UN placements in world history are not yet full world government, but full world government is guaranteed by prophecy.
The meaning of full world government is also a theme Bethel avoids, because their central leadership is aligned with the *ht King King North APOSTASY as per Daniel 11:32a, and this is why Bethel tries to float the USSR fiction as if Russia will place the “palatial tents” of Daniel 11:45.
OBVIOUSLY the 8th King ALONE will be world ruler in world government, there will not be two world governments in the end, Russia and the US/UK will all unite as per Revelation 16:13-16 into full world government with the rest of the nations, and that full world government unification is what will trigger the arrival of God and Christ, not now, not before, but AFTER the 4th UN placement as world government as Daniel 11:45, Daniel 8:25, and Revelation 17:11-18.
JWs are ignoring the 3rd UN placement of 1990, and that is no theory, that is Bethel policy. They do that to aid world government secrecy, and to derail and destroy the JW ministry, and they will sell that coup to JWs, aided from within Bethel /(Daniel11:41), as “the end”, and that is why JWs accept the truncated version of truth, out-dated by recent UN activity, that Bethel promotes as the leader of JWs, a leading into apostasy of Daniel 11:32a, because JWs no longer respect, nor track, nor pay attention to prophecy.
They worship the GB, who worships the wild beast and the UN NGO is just the tip of the iceberg and why Bethel will soon be in the temple judgment, not “the end”. And even if you doubt it now, you now know, and it will, believe it or not, prove helpful when Bethel goes down, by design, but the world PROCEEDS to that full 8th King world government.
The JW ministry will be recovered from the fire of Zechariah 3:2 of the temple judgment and the removal, accounting, and exposure of the Bethel apostasy globally and what it really means, and yet, even now it is in the prophecy, if only you would LOOK AT IT, and ACTUALLY “PAY ATTENTION to Daniel’s Prophecy” but for real.
What’s the point of saying we “pay attention to Daniel’s prophecy” and yet we do not REALLY “pay attention to Daniel’s prophecy”? Instead JWs pay attention to the GB apostate deceivers with UN supporting ties, including the full subversion of the modern JW ministry, FULLY, since 1990.