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Revelation 19 “Great Crowd in Heaven” compared to Revelation 7 “Great Crowd” in Prophecy Clues

Revelation 19 “Great Crowd in Heaven” compared to Revelation 7 “Great Crowd” in Prophecy Clues

To understand how the “great crowd” is different but both heavenly in one group (Rev19:1) and earthly in the Revelation 7 post Great Tribulation group first we show how they are different in their sequence in prophecy. This will show you how the “great crowd in heaven” is “in heaven” even before Christ has conquered the world to even deliver the Revelation 7 “great crowd” in the first place, thus an earthly situated “great crowd” appearing last in the sequence of the two.

Because people sometimes use Revelation 19:1-6 to also imply the Revelation 7 “great crowd” is “in heaven” we will use some logic and the prophecy’s own sequence to show this Revelation 19 “great crowd in heaven” is doing these things BEFORE the Great Tribulation deliverance of Revelation 7:9-17. The deliverance of the Revelation 7 “great crowd” would have to occur with the Revelation 19:11-21 events of White Horse Christ in Kingdom Conquest Mode thus AFTER the “great crowd in heaven” of Revelation 19:1-6 in that Revelation 19 prophecy order of events.

Clue 1

The simplest clue is that the Revelation 7 “great crowd” has to “come out of the great tribulation” with this Revelation 19:11-21 event below, thus AFTER this Christ global conquest: event symbolically depicted here from where it starts:

(Revelation 19:11) And I saw the heaven opened, and, look! a white horse. And the one seated upon it is called Faithful and True, and he judges and carries on war in righteousness. 

Thus the Revelation 19:1-6 “great crowd in heaven” was in heaven EVEN BEFORE Christ went into global conquest mode. As you know the “great crowd in heaven” described in Revelation 19:1-6 is already present BEFORE the Christ conquest of Revelation 19:11-21:

(Revelation 19:1-3) After these things I heard what was as a loud voice of a great crowd in heaven. They said: “Praise Jah, you people! The salvation and the glory and the power belong to our God, 2 because his judgments are true and righteous. For he has executed judgment upon the great harlot who corrupted the earth with her fornication, and he has avenged the blood of his slaves at her hand.” 3 And right away for the second time they said: “Praise Jah, you people! And the smoke from her goes on ascending forever and ever.”

Thus to be a “great crowd in heaven” Christ would have already delivered them with the Revelation 19:11-21 events. BUT that would be out of the Revelation 19 order of events.

Clue 2

Now, since the “great crowd in heaven” here is shown with the statement of the  Babylon the Great “harlot” destruction this “great crowd in heaven” could seem to be in the same timing as the Revelation 7 “great crowd” which would also be delivered with and after the BTG conquest.

But on closer inspection this same “great crowd in heaven” is present before the “marriage of the lamb” is complete that is still before the event of Revelation 19:11 which would lead to the marriage event. But since the Bride is complete, just no marriage yet, the Bride is shown complete here:

(Revelation 19:6-8) And I heard what was as a voice of a great crowd and as a sound of many waters and as a sound of heavy thunders. They said: “Praise Jah, you people, because Jehovah our God, the Almighty, has begun to rule as king. 7 Let us rejoice and be overjoyed, and let us give him the glory, because the marriage of the Lamb has arrived and his wife has prepared herself. 8 Yes, it has been granted to her to be arrayed in bright, clean, fine linen, for the fine linen stands for the righteous acts of the holy ones.”

Now the complete Bride is shown complete as well, here below too, but as all 144000 symbolized completion as the “Bride” parallel, which the “great crowd in  heaven” also described in regard to the coming marriage in Revelation 19:6-8:

(Revelation 14:1) And I saw, and, look! the Lamb standing upon the Mount Zion, and with him a hundred and forty-four thousand having his name and the name of his Father written on their foreheads. 

So, the “great crowd in heaven” is again present before the Revelation 7 deliverance of the “great crowd” in Revelation 14:14-16 in the Christ Global Sheep Sweep first priority phase. The “great crowd” of Revelation 7 would be “harvested” with this Revelation 14:14-16 salvation event below, of course after Revelation 14:1 Bride completion:

(Revelation 14:14-16) And I saw, and, look! a white cloud, and upon the cloud someone seated like a son of man, with a golden crown on his head and a sharp sickle in his hand. 15 And another angel emerged from the temple [sanctuary], crying with a loud voice to the one seated on the cloud: “Put your sickle in and reap, because the hour has come to reap, for the harvest of the earth is thoroughly ripe.” 16 And the one seated on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth, and the earth was reaped.

So the “great crowd in heaven” which made the Revelation 14:1 Bride Completion announcement of Revelation 19:6-8 is also present before the “great crowd” ” harvest of the earth” has even been completed in Revelation 14:14-16.

And the “marriage of the lamb” MUST take place AFTER the actual event of the global conquest of Revelation 19:11-21 which will deliver the Revelation 7 “great crowd” as the “harvest of the earth”. So the “great crowd in heaven” is different as it exists in heaven even before the Revelation 7 “great crowd” is delivered by Christ with the actual events of Revelation 19:11-21.

(In all fairness, this is if the Revelation 19 and Revelation 14 sequences are whole unbroken sequence timelines of the post-Christ arrival final events which it seems that is the case because that final sequence is very important and it only occurs in these two places in such a totally complete form in Revelation 14 and 19.)

Clue 3:  Coming Down [to Earth] from Heaven

Many view this long range overview but forget this too initially begins with the Revelation 14:1 and Revelation 19:11 Christ arrival event phases:

(Revelation 21:1-4) 21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea is no more. 2 I saw also the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his peoples. And God himself will be with them. 4 And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.”

Thus, the “temple” and “throne” are part of the “holy city” which is “coming down from heaven” and being made accessible to humans. It will come down fully accessible here as the 1000 years completes:

(Revelation 22:12-14) “‘Look! I am coming quickly, and the reward I give is with me, to render to each one as his work is. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end. 14 Happy are those who wash their robes, that the authority [to go] to the trees of life may be theirs and that they may gain entrance into the city by its gates. 

The “coming down” as in “coming” as a process means the effect of “God’s will done on Earth” is a process from the start of Revelation 7:9-17 to completion of full accessibility as in the “tree of life” granted perfect sinless state, and that human sinlessness takes sometime to achieve to get here. When this below is a reality for here it is just being described, this would even have to become a reality opportunity after Satan and the demons are destroyed because they are the final test period which has to be passed to even get here:

(Revelation 22:14) 14 Happy are those who wash their robes, that the authority [to go] to the trees of life may be theirs and that they may gain entrance into the city by its gates. 

By that time under the 1000 Year Reign of Christ, the heavenly “Bride” is already the “New Jerusalem” totally complete and pictured as accessible on Earth there. Thus, HUMANS are who are given accessibility to the “holy city” “by its gates” by that time fully on Earth upon complete obedience to God after the 1000 years has completed and after Satan has been destroyed.

Thus, more than just the “great crowd” will eventually be able to access the eternal life in those “trees of life”; but obedience to God and guarded sinlessness is required as in Eden, Adam and Eve’s failure into disobedience to God barred them access to the “tree of life”.

But the meaning is the same FOR HUMANS, conquer Satan and access  “tree of life” irremovable everlasting life after the final test is passed. Adam and the woman already had “everlasting life”. The “tree of life” they were barred from is an extension of the nature of that “everlasting life”. It would be human immortality based on total testing passed, THAT is what Adam and Eve were prevented from accessing, “indestructible life”.

(Genesis 3:22) And Jehovah God went on to say: “Here the man has become like one of us in knowing good and bad, and now in order that he may not put his hand out and actually take [fruit] also from the tree of life and eat and live to time indefinite.

Adam and the woman already could live forever while sinless yet with the condition of absolute obedience to God. (Gen2:16-17) So, this “tree of life” is of a different nature of that same “everlasting life” state. (Heb7:16) Now had Christ remained human he would have been granted access to the “tree of life”. In a heavenly way his “indestructible life” is how by complete testing of faithfulness in absolute obedience to God he has accessed “IMMORTALITY” a the final divine nature of “everlasting life” which he also already possessed:

(Hebrews 7:15-17) And it is still more abundantly clear that with a similarity to Melchizedek there arises another priest, 16 who has become such, not according to the law of a commandment depending upon the flesh, but according to the power of an indestructible life, 17 for in witness it is said: “You are a priest forever according to the manner of Melchizedek.”

Since that “indestructible life” is now to be “plugged in” to planet Earth’s planetary life system by means of Jesus Christ’s rulership to remove the Satan “having the means to cause death” (Heb2:14), it will affect ALL LIFE of planet earth in a positive manner commensurate with Christ immortal nature, as God has perfect understanding of how and why this is his “will be done on Earth”:

(Psalm 133:3) 3 It is like the dew of Hermon That is descending upon the mountains of Zion. For there Jehovah commanded the blessing [of] life to time indefinite.

So it is already beyond imagination:

(1 Corinthians 2:9-10) But just as it is written: “Eye has not seen and ear has not heard, neither have there been conceived in the heart of man the things that God has prepared for those who love him.” 10 For it is to us God has revealed them through his spirit, for the spirit searches into all things, even the deep things of God.

BUT it has yet to become reality, but it will. Obedience to God equates to immortality in time upon full testing of faith.

Note on Christ Arrival Priorities

(From previous reply, Btw, the article version coming soon God willing will have a distinction explained about Christ arriving “with the clouds” to sweep sheep first as in Matt24:31, which would secure the Rev7 “great crowd” before Rev19:11 events of the “with power and great glory” totally manifested Christ conquest. But Revelation 19:11-21 FINALIZES the deliverance as Revelation 7:9-17 would be the FINALIZED aftermath, of the finale prophetic description; even if the “great crowd” was secured beforehand, it is still delivered at Revelation 14:14-16.)

But by Revelation 21 it is clear Earth is the target of “let your Kingdom come” and “let your will take place ON EARTH” “as in heaven”.

It just becomes a “seamless” reality between God’s will done in heaven first, and God’s will done ON EARTH last, as one perfect whole well beyond human understanding but understandable to the full capacity of the then perfect human brain and mind. HUGELY different than it is now, to say the least.)

What is to be explained and scripturally cross referenced is the Christ arrival has two objectives in securing sheep prior to the conquest mode and these have scriptural prophetic references to know each occurrence. Thus, we know all the global-conquest references have to be after the sheep are globally secured as the final objective is the global conquest of the wild beast system. In the sheep securement phase, Christ has to arrive to complete the 1Thessalonians 4:17 heavenly sheep aspect first, to be in full “Messianic Kingdom” mode complete, then the rest of the sheep are secured to comprise the “great crowd” of which as explained earlier some sheep are very very “new” sheep.

Another thing to realize is Christ has to render the first Messianic Kingdom judgment (Dan7:26; Matt24:31) by the secured sheep approval and then the BTG judgment from which downfall some final sheep in that bondage are freed to salvation as concurrent with BTG’s judgment, hence Revelation 14:8. Christ renders the judgment even if the wild beast is who destroys the Babylon the Great corporate religious system. Thus, Christ has to be in a “parousia-like” covert stealth mode first for those initial sheep-sweep operations globally (which can take a little time, hence Daniel12:11’s timing allowance for that time required.).

In line with the concept of “parousia” AND the to be clearly known Open Salvation “Week” (Dan9:27) composed of the 1260 days (Dan12:7; Rev11:2-3) and 1290 days (Dan12:11) “week” of approximate seven years, we can know Christ arrives after the 1260 days ends as will be shown. The reason why this is explained is because we can know from prophecy the Christ arrival timeline and priority by scriptural cross reference.

(Now someone may say “I thought he already was in the Parousia? How can there be two? Well unlike the coronation in God’s Kingdom event “parousia” to oversee all this from heaven, this time Christ is “in the air” of Revelation 16:17-20 and 1Thessaloninas 4:17 in direct personal location of planet Earth. So this “parousia” is unique and directly in the Earth target of Matthew 6:10.)

Christ’s Arrival Global Sheep Sweep and Conquest Phasing

The main priority order of Christ is salvation first and conquest last which can also be plainly proven by the Matthew 25:31-46 and Revelation 14:14-20 sequences where the sheep are secured first then the goats are deposed. Thus, we can assume the salvation arrival FIRST portion is a “parousia” like stealth event to secure sheep all over the world right under the nose of complete world government by that time.

(Psalm 110:2) The rod of your strength Jehovah will send out of Zion, [saying:] “Go subduing in the midst of your enemies.”

And we can assume the global-conquest mode FINAL OBJECTIVE OF CHRIST is plainly visible for obvious reasons, and that Christ can use BOTH the “with the clouds” parousia first mode in covert means for sheep sweeping and then the “with power and great glory” when in conquest mode as all the sheep are safely out of the main global battle zones for Christ’s termination of the forces of world government “scarlet wildbeast”. (Rev17:8-18 full final sequence)

(Matthew 24:29-31) 29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days (as 1260 days ends) the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. (first the 7th King old world order to 8th King new world order system shocks) 30 And then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in lamentation, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he will send forth his angels with a great trumpet sound, and they will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds, from one extremity of the heavens to their other extremity.

Thus, the Matthew 24:31 events are in mostly “with the clouds” stealth  parousia mode to perform the global “sheep sweep”, to complete the anointed gathering to spirit form (first) and to then proceed to gather all the earth sheep first in the priority. Even though Matthew 24:29-31 does not show any destruction mode yet, we can know Matthew 24:31 sheep sweep is the first and main priority at Christ arrival which precedes the conquest manifestation of Revelation 19:11.

That means the Revelation 14:1 144000 completion is secured first which completes the “Messianic Kingdom” allowing Christ to be crowned by God “King of kings” thus this is the global-conquest mode of Christ as King of kings in a complete Messianic Kingdom, after the sheep are all secured:

(Revelation 19:11-16) And I saw the heaven opened, and, look! a white horse. And the one seated upon it is called Faithful and True, and he judges and carries on war in righteousness. 12 His eyes are a fiery flame, and upon his head are many diadems. He has a name written that no one knows but he himself, 13 and he is arrayed with an outer garment sprinkled with blood, and the name he is called is The Word of God. 14 Also, the armies that were in heaven were following him on white horses, and they were clothed in white, clean, fine linen. 15 And out of his mouth there protrudes a sharp long sword, that he may strike the nations with it, and he will shepherd them with a rod of iron. He treads too the winepress of the anger of the wrath of God the Almighty. 16 And upon his outer garment, even upon his thigh, he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords.

Symbolic “Week” of Open Salvation Offer

The Open Salvation Offer in global actuality:

(Revelation 14:6-8) And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, and he had everlasting good news to declare as glad tidings to those who dwell on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people, 7 saying in a loud voice: “FEAR God and give him glory, because the hour of the judgment by him has arrived, and so worship the One who made the heaven and the earth and sea and fountains of waters.” 8 And another, a second angel, followed, saying: “She has fallen! Babylon the Great has fallen, she who made all the nations drink of the wine of the anger of her fornication!”

This means this Christ arrival mode has to be when Christ is already crowned “King of kings” in the Messianic Kingdom thus after the initial first priority global sheep sweep is complete for they are delivered by the official earthly sovereign “Messianic Kingdom” entity carrying out its first promise of the “new government” yet not in fully globally conquered mode, yet.

To get there that final 1260 days is a global appeal period to inform others of the certainty of the Christ arrival as that period ends. We can show in the prophecy that the 1260 days and 1290 days have a transition in Daniel 12:7 and Daniel 12:11 as Revelation 11:7-8 indicates. Thus, Christ arrives in the already initially active 1290 day period as will be explained as we proceed to explain fully how to know the 1290 days activation dual- criteria and which prophecy (Rev11:7-12) is the final symbolic period (Rev11:8) to merge into that Daniel 12:11 1290 days period just starting up.

Thus, for the eventual logic in this article that 1260 days and 1290 days forms a symbolic “week” of years with notable events to mark it as being the 1260 days pre-Christ arrival signal final appeal period and the 1290 days period is to be post-Christ arrival OPEN SALVATION GUARANTEED ALLOWANCE period that takes a little time, but with Christ arrived for the sheep sweep mode, first. (Matt24:29-31; Rev16:17; 1Thess4:17; Rev11:11-12; Matt24:31; Rev14:1)

This is important to know because in that prelude 1260 days to Christ arrival-to-its-actuality in a symbolic “week” of OPEN SALVATION (which will be described as we proceed) we know what leads to Christ arrival in the 1260 days “second witness” of the “TWO witnesses” which has to complete first as per Revelation 11:7.

Thus its very “Christ arrival” “little scroll” subject matter of that Revelation 11:2-3 1260 day final warning and global open salvation announcement exactly precedes the very Christ arrival event it is to be warning of in a complete totally affirmable summary:

(Revelation 10:5-7) And the angel that I saw standing on the sea and on the earth raised his right hand to heaven, 6 and by the One who lives forever and ever, who created the heaven and the things in it and the earth and the things in it and the sea and the things in it, he swore: “There will be no delay any longer; 7 but in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to blow his trumpet, the sacred secret of God according to the good news which he declared to his own slaves the prophets is indeed brought to a finish.”

When Christ arrives in the “mid week”, post 1260 days sequence, what he does first is save sheep and thus that will be in the 1290 day period already in initial activation. That final period’s 1260 days and the 1290 days must be ALL OPEN FOR SALVATION. That 1290 days is the final part of that open salvation “week” and the conquest mode of Christ concludes the 1290 day final allowance period. Now we know global sheep securement process can have plenty of time in the Daniel 12:11 1290 days, active to some brief degree, to complete that sheep-sweep process and why it exists with such a time frame.

Open Salvation Week Proof

Now that final “week” for OPEN SALVATION PURPOSES is shown in two Bible prophecies in principle of what is to be applied to the final open salvation “week” based on seven lunar years composed of the 1260 days and 1290 days (lunar 7.083 years; solar 6.99 years). Now for example one, the principle exists here in Noah’s day where God gave a final warning to Noah seven days, a week, prior to the deluge flood:

(Genesis 7:4-5) For in just seven days more I am making it rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and I will wipe every existing thing that I have made off the surface of the ground.” 5 And Noah proceeded to do according to all that Jehovah had commanded him.

Now keep in mind the 1260 days and the 1290 days form a rounded “week” of years WITH THE SAME PURPOSE: SALVATION OFFER AND WARNING. So in the indirect principle of the the main Jesus Christ pattern itself here we have the real proof of the “week” principle that although applying to the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, ALSO has the same principle elements in the final appeal period features as will be explained:

(Daniel 9:27) “And he must keep [the] covenant in force for the many for one week; and at the half of the week he will cause sacrifice and gift offering to cease.

We know the “holy covenant” principle of human salvation is “in force” for many people GLOBALLY for “one week” as we extend this pattern to the actual final seven year “week” that precedes the full application of the Christ sacrifice to initially save people from 8th King caused “great tribulation” and the Christ conquest event of the “war of the great day of God the Almighty” which deposes the “goats”.

(This prophecy has a very direct fulfillment in the time of Jesus Christ, BUT we can use the spirit of the salvation to know Christ’s main pattern is applicable to the climax “time of the end” Bible prophecy as well when its actuality becomes globally realized.

This time at the Daniel 9:27 principle “half of the week”, that is now to be defined at the end of the 1260 days completed into also the final appeal’s “two witnesses” “constant feature” ceased as Christ ARRIVES with salvation for sheep; while in initial fulfillment Christ died to “cease gift offering” and to secure this very global salvation and now they will simultaneously co-relate in final form! Now, THAT is no accident!)

And this Daniel 9:27 “week” of salvation MIDPOINT is to be marked in this principle pattern by the Revelation 11:7-10 “cause sacrifice and gift offering to cease” “at the half of the week” as the 1260 days ends which is another way of terming the cessation of the “constant feature” “gift offering” in Daniel 9:27’s principle.

In the first case, Christ was killed to mark that midpoint with his sacrifice and ministerial “gift offering” “constant feature” ceased. IN the future case, we can prove the 1260 days ends in Revelation 11:7-10 to ALSO be marked by the cessation of the final “two witnesses” appeal’s “constant feature” as also to be ceased (in the final warning cancelled by “abyss” ascendant world government; Rev11:7). And that “constant feature” cessation will mark the “half of the week”, that is the 1260 days expired. Now that 1260 days expired has to be followed by the 1290 day period in part signified as active by that “two witnesses” “constant feature” removal of the future, which we can see the parallel below:

(Daniel 12:11) “And from the time that the constant [feature] has been removed (Rev11:7 final warning ceased) and there has been a placing of the disgusting thing that is causing desolation (as complete world government), there will be one thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Now, the “there has been a placing of the disgusting thing” is a completion of the “disgusting thing” global- placement as 8th King world government in complete worldwide form when in final cycle of the future. Now, we can connect this Revelation 11:7 “killing” of the “two witnesses” AND the wildbeast “abyss ascension” as direct parallel of that Daniel 12:11 activation dual- criteria when BOTH those two prophetic features of globally seen events are globally present, at the same time:

(Revelation 11:7) And when they have finished their witnessing (1260 days completed), the wild beast that ascends out of the abyss (Rev17:8-12) will make war with them and conquer them and kill them.

That “wildbeast” “abyss ascension” (Rev17:8-12) occurs concurrent globally with also the “killing” of the “two witnesses” as the parallel of the Daniel 12:11 “the time that the constant [feature] has been removed” AND that while the “abyss ascension” of the “disgusting thing that is causing desolation” as the completion of 8th King Scarlet Wildbeast World Government is also globally official; thus BOTH criteria features of the Daniel 12:11 prophecy period will be present and thus the 1290 day activation benchmark will be present as notable for people’s information at that time.

Christ will then arrive when the “two witnesses” “three and a half day” “death state” has expired directly into the Revelation 11:11-12 Christ arrival parallel.

Merging the 1260 Days Expiration into the 1290 Days by the “Three and a Half Day” “Death State” of the “Two Witnesses”

Thus, the cessation of the “two witnesses” “second witnessing” “constant feature” final warning appeal in the deep final cycle future must also define the “killing” of the “two witnesses” by the cessation of their final warning appeal ministry which then activates that final “three and a half days” period to expire into the Christ arrival parallel of Revelation 11:11-12.

So we know this final symbolic period of “three and a half days” will be short, it must be in the 1290 days as carried out by then complete world government international law defining both Daniel 12:11 1290 activation criteria and that its symbolic “three and a half day” expiration leads to this Christ arrival parallel as the FINAL prophetic period required to expire just prior to Christ arrival:

(Revelation 11:11-13) And after the three and a half days spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet, and great fear fell upon those beholding them. 12 And they heard a loud voice out of heaven say to them: “Come on up here.” (Matt24:31; 1Thess4:17 parallel) And they went up into heaven in the cloud, and their enemies beheld them. 

Thus, the “thee and a half days” activated after the 1260 days has expired as in Revelation 11:7, must merge into the 1290 days period to mark the cessation of the “constant feature” in its Daniel 12:11 criteria portion.

Salvation Reference:

(Revelation 11: 13) And in that hour (Rev17:12) a great earthquake occurred, and a tenth of the city fell; and seven thousand persons were killed by the earthquake, and the rest became frightened and gave glory to the God of heaven.

The Revelation 11:13 “kills” are a salvation symbol in which the symbolic “7000” and the “tenth of the city” are salvation meanings. Since Babylon the Great is still present a little while longer AFTER the “two witnesses” are “killed” as Christendom is the Revelation 11:8 “broad way” into that “great city” which also contains the “two witnesses” unburied “corpses”. This means there are eventually final- sheep saved from the Babylon the Great “great city” overall global-system as per Revelation 14:6-7 open salvation offer which leads to, and thus through, the BTG destruction whose finale is announced in Revelation 14:8 as Revelation 14:6-7 events lead here during the BTG destruction phase as noted in this final sequence:

(Revelation 14:6-8) And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, and he had everlasting good news to declare as glad tidings to those who dwell on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people, 7 saying in a loud voice: “FEAR God and give him glory, because the hour of the judgment by him has arrived, and so worship the One who made the heaven and the earth and sea and fountains of waters.” 

(Revelation 14:8) And another, a second angel, followed, saying: “She has fallen! Babylon the Great has fallen, she who made all the nations drink of the wine of the anger of her fornication!”

Thus, the “great crowd” is completely “gathered” in completion as far as that BTG liberation aspect for a “tenth of the city” saved in symbolic meaning adds the final humans to the “great crowd”, some final “sheep” swept out by use of the BTG downfall. But Revelation 7:9-17 is a post Christ total global-conquest finale sequence, so that is when in the timeline the “great crowd” are described in final form, even if being secured previously during the 1290 days Revelation 7:9-17 is the post Christ conquest aftermath.

The “Great Crowd” as the First Temple Gift of Christ to God

(Hebrews 9:9) This very [tent] is an illustration for the appointed time that is now here, and in keeping with it both gifts and sacrifices are offered. 

Thus, the “great crowd” in its Matthew 24:31-40 “sheep” symbol and Revelation 14:14-16 “harvest of the earth” parallels of also a final completed Christ arrival “gathering” are the first “harvest of the earth”  “gift” offered by High Priest Christ to God in the completed “temple” state:

(Revelation 14:15-17) And another angel emerged from the temple [sanctuary], crying with a loud voice to the one seated on the cloud: “Put your sickle in and reap, because the hour has come to reap, for the harvest of the earth is thoroughly ripe.” 16 And the one seated on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth, and the earth was reaped. 17 And still another angel emerged from the temple [sanctuary] that is in heaven, he, too, having a sharp sickle.

And to make this “heavenly temple” have earthly effect it has to be “coming down [to earth] from heaven” in symbol of its divine power of salvation now directly affecting earth:

(Revelation 21:1-2) And I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea is no more. 2 I saw also the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Though the “temple” is a heavenly symbol of a spiritual reality the completion of the 144000 is what enables it as a complete “temple” only requiring the “head stone” Christ for total completion and it has earthly missions to help fulfill the Christ prayerful request of God:

(Matthew 6:9-10) “‘Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified. 10 Let your kingdom come [to earth]. Let your will take place, as in heaven, also upon earth.

By that time the “coming down from heaven” has made its first step into planet Earth, and this “holy city’s” temple” is then beginning to become accessible to humans on Earth, thus the “throne” and “temple” are parts of the “holy city” “coming down” to earth making this all accessible to humans on Earth:

(Revelation 7:9-10) After these things I saw, and, look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes; and there were palm branches in their hands. 10 And they keep on crying with a loud voice, saying: “Salvation [we owe] to our God, who is seated on the throne, and to the Lamb.”

And that is how human beings can be “before the throne of God; and they are rendering him sacred service day and night in his [then completed] temple” because these are all elements within the “holy city”:

(Revelation 7:13-17) And in response one of the elders said to me: “These who are dressed in the white robes, who are they and where did they come from?” 14 So right away I said to him: “My lord, you are the one that knows.” And he said to me: “These are the ones that come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 That is why they are before the throne of God; and they are rendering him sacred service day and night in his temple; and the One seated on the throne will spread his tent over them. 16 They will hunger no more nor thirst anymore, neither will the sun beat down upon them nor any scorching heat, 17 because the Lamb, who is in the midst of the throne, will shepherd them, and will guide them to fountains of waters of life. And God will wipe out every tear from their eyes.”

And if that “tent” and “God will wipe out every tear from their eyes” sounds familiar in Revelation it is the promise of God also shown here below on earth so we can again know where this “tent” is to become spread, that is over planet Earth, but not as the “temple” of course but as “God’s will done on Earth” “tent” global-condition and God’s guidance of the whole human family:

(Revelation 21:3-4) With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his peoples. And God himself will be with them. 4 And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.”

And thus, since the “tent of God is with mankind” therefore the “great crowd” is the first of mankind to start to be recovered on Earth in this fulfillment then becoming reality, and that is with earthly focus God “will reside with them, and they will be his peoples” on Earth. Thus it starts to fulfill the Matthew 6:10 “let your Kingdom come” to planet Earth to oversee “God’s will done on Earth as in Heaven” in comprehensive manner which takes 1000 years to complete to human perfection and sinlessness.

(2 Thessalonians 1:10) and to be regarded in that day with wonder in connection with all those who exercised faith, because the witness we gave met with faith among you.

We can see here below, the “great crowd” is not sinless and perfected yet hence not in heaven but still on Earth. The “great crowd” will still be requiring more now direct Christ guidance to the “waters of life” which signify the teaching of the practice of sinlessness and the divine perfection of human being and body (Heb10:10) to make it possible which then proceeds under the 1000 year reign of Christ:

(Revelation 7:17) because the Lamb, who is in the midst of the throne, will shepherd them, and will guide them to fountains of waters of life. 

This direct accessibility to human beings is because the “holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God” is present in initial form for the “gift offering” of the “harvest of the earth” to be given by High Priest Christ in God’s “temple” to proceed into the 1000 year reign of Christ:

(Revelation 21:1-2) And I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea is no more. 2 I saw also the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

And since the “Bride” is also now complete and is also in that “Lamb’s wife” symbol:

(Revelation 21:9-10) And there came one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls which were full of the seven last plagues, and he spoke with me and said: “Come here, I will show you the bride, the Lamb’s wife.” 10 So he carried me away in [the power of the] spirit to a great and lofty mountain, and he showed me the holy city Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God…

The “Marriage of the Lamb” can take place in the official form and the “great crowd” and who knows who else may be present…:

(Revelation 11:18) to give [their] reward to your slaves the prophets and to the holy ones and to those fearing your name, the small and the great

…and can be the “invited to the Lamb’s Marriage” for the “Groom and Bride” are not the “invitees” they are the main event! And though anointed are invited in they become the “bride” so there is more than just the “bride and groom” at the marriage ceremony as humans can experience and witness the earthly manifestation of the event. What wedding ceremony consists of only the bride and groom?

(Revelation 19:7-8) Let us rejoice and be overjoyed, and let us give him the glory, because the marriage of the Lamb has arrived and his wife has prepared herself. 8 Yes, it has been granted to her to be arrayed in bright, clean, fine linen, for the fine linen stands for the righteous acts of the holy ones.”

So, humans are the ones who are affected by this commission of the final appeal warning parallel:

(Matthew 25:6-7) Right in the middle of the night there arose a cry, ‘Here is the bridegroom! Be on your way out to meet him.’ 7 Then all those virgins rose and put their lamps in order. 

Thus the “five discreet virgins” and the “two witnesses” have a global audience to be affected by the final appeal of the open salvation offer, they do not “light up the way” and “witness to Christ arrival” to themselves and those that do respond are part of this final appeal process’s global audience to bring in the finality of all the parties of those to complete the “bride” and those to complete the invited ones to witness the marriage and ceremonies in this same principle of the final Open Salvation Offer parallel:

(Matthew 22:7-13) “But the king grew wrathful, and sent his armies and destroyed those murderers and burned their city. 8 Then he said to his slaves, ‘The marriage feast indeed is ready, but those invited were not worthy. 9 Therefore go to the roads leading out of the city, and anyone you find invite to the marriage feast.’ 10 Accordingly those slaves went out to the roads and gathered together all they found, both wicked and good; and the room for the wedding ceremonies was filled with those reclining at the table. 11 “When the king came in to inspect the guests he caught sight there of a man not clothed with a marriage garment. 12 So he said to him, ‘Fellow, how did you get in here not having on a marriage garment?’ He was rendered speechless. 13 Then the king said to his servants, ‘Bind him hand and foot and throw him out into the darkness outside. There is where [his] weeping and the gnashing of [his] teeth will be.’

Final Note: “Tent” to “Temple” Completion First, for “Coming Down from Heaven” Last

Now as the “temple” word in Revelation NWT translation signifies, as it does in the Greek text, the Revelation prophecy use of that “temple” word in the Revelation terminal sequences only AFTER the TEMPLE HAS BEEN COMPLETED (by finally God) in these final contexts (Rev11:19). As an example in this pre-seven plagues description the “tent” word is used as the “temple” is yet to complete:

(Revelation 15:5-6) And after these things I saw, and the sanctuary of the tent of the witness was opened in heaven, 6 and the seven angels with the seven plagues emerged from the sanctuary, clothed with clean, bright linen and girded about their breasts with golden girdles. 

Whereas by the time of these sequences Christ has arrived and the “temple” has been completed in all 144000:

(Revelation 11:19) And the temple [sanctuary] of God that is in heaven was opened, and the ark of his covenant was seen in his temple [sanctuary]. And there occurred lightnings and voices and thunders and an earthquake and a great hail.

(Revelation 14:15-17) And another angel emerged from the temple [sanctuary], crying with a loud voice to the one seated on the cloud: “Put your sickle in and reap, because the hour has come to reap, for the harvest of the earth is thoroughly ripe.” 16 And the one seated on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth, and the earth was reaped. 17 And still another angel emerged from the temple [sanctuary] that is in heaven, he, too, having a sharp sickle.

(Revelation 7:15) That is why they are before the throne of God; and they are rendering him sacred service day and night in his temple; and the One seated on the throne will spread his tent over them. (the tent here is not the temple)

In this pre-temple completion reference it is of the “measuring of the temple” signifying its guaranteed divine completion in this final Revelation 11 future sequence. The rest is really focused on the “courtyard” signified as earthly as it will be trampled in this final pre-Christ arrival sequence of Revelation 11:1-19 which “trampling” of Revelation 11:2 leads to the “temple” completion:

(Revelation 11:1-2) And a reed like a rod was given me as he said: “Get up and measure the temple [sanctuary] of God and the altar and those worshiping in it. 2 But as for the courtyard that is outside the temple [sanctuary], cast it clear out and do not measure it, because it has been given to the nations, and they will trample the holy city underfoot for forty-two months. 

Although God Almighty completes the temple, of course, Christ works on the temple completion, when he “gathers” the rest of the “the living” final anointed “who are surviving” (1Thes4:17); but GOD is who places Christ as the “head stone” also the King-Priest significance:

(Zechariah 4:6-9) Accordingly he answered and said to me: “This is the word of Jehovah to Zerubbabel, saying, ‘“Not by a military force, nor by power, but by my spirit,” Jehovah of armies has said. 7 Who are you, O great mountain? Before Zerubbabel [you will become] a level land. And he will certainly bring forth the headstone. There will be shoutings to it: “How charming! How charming!”’” 8 And the word of Jehovah continued to occur to me, saying: 9 “The very hands of Zerubbabel have laid the foundation of this house, and his own hands will finish [it]. 

In the reality of the heavenly “Temple” God is who “finishes it” because he sets Christ as also the final “stone” in the “temple” as Christ is also its “foundation stone” and Zechariah 4 is the Revelation 11:5 parallel so the “shoutings” of the coming “temple” completion is a final appeal parallel of the “two witnesses” “second witnessing” of the future.

And that commission is to be given here after the temple cleansing of Zechariah 3:1-5:

(Zechariah 3:8-9) “‘Hear, please, O Joshua the high priest, you and your companions who are sitting before you, for they are men [serving] as portents; for here I am bringing in my servant Sprout! 9 For, look! the stone that I have put before Joshua! Upon the one stone there are seven eyes. Here I am engraving its engraving,’ is the utterance of Jehovah of armies, ‘and I will take away the error of that land in one day.’

It means the 144000 completion, whether literal or symbolic, is a required whole also “gathered” to total completion (1Thess4:17; Rev16:17-20). This is why prior to temple completion as cited above in Revelation 15, and also found in Hebrews, the word “tent” is used as in the temporary incomplete state of anointed “gathering” and thus the “temple” is signified as a “tent”, still incomplete, even when there was only one anointed One, even if it is the Christ:

(Hebrews 8:1-2) Now as to the things being discussed this is the main point: We have such a high priest as this, and he has sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens, 2 a public servant of the holy place and of the true tent, which Jehovah put up, and not man.

(Hebrews 9:9) This very [tent] is an illustration for the appointed time that is now here, and in keeping with it both gifts and sacrifices are offered. 

A Final Meditation for Many

In addition, this 1290 days allowance and the stealth sheep securing super-natural events, though covert, will be noticed by other people still in question of their own faith about Christ and this extended time frame gives them some time to think about the things they have seen. As with the case of the week prior to the flood, people had to witness a massive influx of animal life into the ark because 8 people were not going to gather such an enormous cargo, and though people saw that sign, none responded.

But this final sign of Christ loading his own salvation human cargo can have a great effect on others and some of them will make the decision to get “on board” with Revelation 14:6-8’s offer and the “two witnesses” appeal will have made this offer known to many people as well. The extended time frame of this open salvation period thus also allows people some time to meditate on what they will KNOW has been going on at global scale and hopefully choose salvation before it is truly too late, and angels ensure the open salvation offer will stand the whole 1290 days:

(Revelation 14:6-7) And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, and he had everlasting good news to declare as glad tidings to those who dwell on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people, 7 saying in a loud voice: “FEAR God and give him glory, because the hour of the judgment by him has arrived, and so worship the One who made the heaven and the earth and sea and fountains of waters.”

That divine offer is pretty direct and its acceptance will be aided by interesting sheep sweep events and the time to reflect upon what it really means for many people.

 

 

 

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Har-Magedon: Mountain of Military; Earth’s New Name under World Government

Har-Magedon: Mountain of Military; Earth’s New Name under World Government

Question:

“”Where does it actually say in the Bible that people will survive armageddon? because I can’t find it. I I know it says in revelation that a great crowd stands before the throne of God, does it mean heavenly because I have been on other annointed websites who say there will be only a tiny remaining people who inherit earth a small remnant not a great deal of crowd? Thank you for your great service to us it is much appreciated and welcomed.””

Reply:

Har-Magedon (Armageddon)

(Revelation 16:13-16) And I saw three unclean inspired expressions [that looked] like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the wild beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 They are, in fact, expressions inspired by demons and perform signs, and they go forth to the kings of the entire inhabited earth, to gather them together to the war of the great day of God the Almighty. 15 “Look! I am coming as a thief. Happy is the one that stays awake and keeps his outer garments, that he may not walk naked and people look upon his shamefulness.” 16 And they gathered them together to the place that is called in Hebrew Har–Magedon.

Now on this Armageddon word/term and its meaning, it has a global-situation to be recognizable in the future as the “nations are being gathered to” “Har-Magedon”. And what you question is good, it is what is sometimes called a “fine point”; I am glad you asked it because I am a bit lax in the way I use this Armageddon term, but now I am going to be more careful and precise and here is why.

Har-Magedon is NOT something like an “event” really to be “survived” it is a prophetic “global situation” that WILL become globally recognizable, it is something to look for in the future, a “sign” as it is also built up by demons “performing signs” for world leaders to aid this “gathering the nations” progression; this is a specific progression of global-military domination to be explained fully. But the “Har-Magedon” condition can umbrella some trying times as it matures to a recognizable global completion.

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The Har-Magedon sign and global-development is a culmination of a certain signal global-condition which will get more obviosu as world government nears completion. Har-Magedon is two words as a hyphenated term, sometimes combined into one word: Armageddon. In Hebrew the word Har word means “mountain”. So we need to know which certain “mountain” which that “har” Hebrew word applies to Har=Mountain. It is no single mountain on Earth though, it IS Earth itself as this Revelation 16:16 “mountain”, indicating a global condition for starters upon this here “mountain of God”:

(Ezekiel 28:16) And I shall put you as profane out of the mountain of God (in reference to Satan’s authority over planet Earth “mountain of God”)

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Har-Magedon is a planetary complete condition of the “Magedon” global-state wherein “Magedon” is related to “Megiddo” in its “military fortress” root meaning, a “military establishment” in this final case a signal one, one controlled by 8th King world government in time. Now we know this is a “mountain” of planet Earth under a “military establishment” in that “Magedon” word meaning. Har-Magedon, Earth Mega-Military or Mountain of Military, to complete and be seen as exactly that under world government in the future. (See Joel 3:9-18)

This Joel 3 prophecy is just describing this challenge of God in its military aspect rather than its political (Rev17:11-13) or commercial (Dan11:42-43) aspects of global conglomeration of power:

(Joel 3:9-12) “Proclaim this, you people, among the nations, ‘Sanctify war! Arouse the powerful men! Let them draw near! Let them come up, all the men of war! 10 Beat your plowshares into swords and your pruning shears into lances. As for the weak one, let him say: “I am a powerful man.” 11 Lend your aid and come, all you nations round about, and collect yourselves together.’” To that place, O Jehovah, bring your powerful ones down. 12 “Let the nations be aroused and come up to the low plain of Jehoshaphat (Armageddon parallel); for there I shall sit in order to judge all the nations round about.

So in addition it is the place of divine judgment: all of planet Earth.

Thus, “Har” and “Magedon”  which is to become a unique complete “military establishment” is the “Mountain” of the Earthly “Military Establishment” of ultimately World Government 100% global military system. It would be the most complete picture of the global-reality of the “ten horns” of the “Scarlet Wildbeast” world government system, the military aspect. Har-Magedon has to be the total completion of “give their power and authority to the wild beast for one hour” (Rev17:11-18) in 100% TOTALLY GLOBAL FORM!. Obviously, no one can miss this when it completes in the future.

(Revelation 16:16) And they gathered them together to the place that is called in Hebrew Har–Magedon.

The “place” is where this “immense image” is “standing”, planet Earth too:

(Daniel 2:31) “You, O king, happened to be beholding, and, look! a certain immense image. That image, which was large and the brightness of which was extraordinary, was standing in front of you, and its appearance was dreadful. 

Thus, “And they gathered them together to the place that is called in Hebrew Har–Magedon” the “place” is global on Earth, and the condition of Earth is then in the Har-Magedon state of being under the 100% military domination of the 8th King world government system, in complete and final form. (Thus, ready for the war with God and Christ, totally ready, “Armageddon ready”, totally seen by all people globally, the complete Har-Magedon “global situation” complete.

The “place” has to be global, all of Earth, the “stand” is of the 8th King parallel in global final power in totally complete defiance to God’s Kingdom with a 100% global military control sector of world government to try to enforce it all. (Rev13:15-18)

(As per Revelation 16:13-16 demons are who “gather nations” to this “place” and the global force of globalization is definitely a form of “gathering nations”, so it is the globalized-military aspect in specific and a BAD situation overall, but of the future when complete. 100% military control in the wrong hands can be worse than all the warring nations (Matt24:6) when you really think about it, and that is the kind of entity that will fulfill Dan8:25 parallel Dan11:44 and ironically, with the 1Thess5:1-3 “world peace” front cover mantra AT THE SAME TIME!)

So you are right you are not “surviving” Har-Magedon, it being a condition of military globalization complete any more than surviving the “8th King” also being a condition of world government complete. So you raised a great point, thanks. PEOPLE and I am one of them, have used that Armageddon word to mean a dire situation, which by implication gets over extended to mean a “doomsday” like thing also by the media and movies.

Plus, “Armageddon” does have a very ominous ring to the word itself. And with good reason, but it itself is not an “event” to survive it is a “global condition” of a signal global-completion to be aware of, a climax period of global culmination to look for in the future, a heavy “sign” to all people.

As a global-condition “Armageddon” will have a “climax” period as it is to be divinely removed as a “condition” on Earth in that “war of the great day of God the Almighty” EVENT to define Matthew 24:21-22 “cut short the days” EVENT. All this kind of stuff all gets rolled up into that “Armageddon” broad “Doomsday Tamale” when we use the word forgetting to highlight these kinds of IMPORTANT distinctions.

Now the Great Tribulation is caused by men, it would be an “EVENT”, even if over a period, to survive. BUT there is also the “war of the great day of God the Almighty” EVENT which sheep obviously survive, all enemies are cut off, so it too is an “event” to survive. But one is of human origination the other divine to end it at a climax “four winds” period AFTER world government 8th King completes NOT in the “sword stroke” (Rev13:3; Isa41:4) that leads to the “healing” and “abyss ascension” of 8th King world government in the future.

To know the tribulation is human caused first, Paul said:

(2 Thessalonians 1:6) This takes into account that it is righteous on God’s part to repay tribulation to those who MAKE tribulation for you…

In its final form on Earth all prophetic  “tribulation” is caused by human powers (Matt24:29, Matt24:21-22), so in a final form GOD “repays tribulation” to the MAKERS of it in their own “tribulation” and eventual end. This way we KNOW these are the EVENTS THEMSELVES which can be survived. We can survive the human power system tribulation and we can survive the war of God, because a “great crowd” of sheep all survive.

The “great CROWD” is not a “flock” kind of word it implies a mix of people in that “crowd” term; and there is a reason, allow me to explain it. The fact is at Matthew 25:31-46 some of them sheep are so newbie they ask Christ those very basic questions like “when did we see you naked?”. What this tells us is they never read Matthew 25 or are Christian but ignorant of its meaning.

What that means is a person, possibly ANYONE, can come to “believe in Christ” ON THE SPOT (Rev14:6-7 offer to all humans) at that time of his sheep securing manifestation which can be stealth or any way he wants; as Saul did.

(Romans 2:14-16) For whenever people of the nations that do not have law do by nature the things of the law, these people, although not having law, are a law to themselves. 15 They are the very ones who demonstrate the matter of the law to be written in their hearts, while their conscience is bearing witness with them and, between their own thoughts, they are being accused or even excused. 16 This will be IN THE DAY when God through Christ Jesus judges the secret things of mankind, according to the good news I declare.

They would be people as per Romans 2:12-16, already inclined to cooperate, sheep-like people who as per Matt10:23 were unreached before because the “circuits of the cites of Israel” were incomplete by human Christians. But come the Rev14:6-8 Christ and the angels complete the global ministry Christ began. And with that Revelation 14:6-8 offer they too can “wash their robes in the blood of the lamb” officially in a very second of total belief in Christ (like Saul experienced), because they are people being helpful and loving as shown in that Matthew 25:31-40 context God was counting it to them as righteousness (Rom2:12-29) and he knows they will transition to the Christ reality cooperatively.

(Joel 3:14) Crowds, crowds are in the low plain of the decision, for the day of Jehovah is near in the low plain of the decision.

Thus, the “great crowd” will all be “sheep” but many must be very new “sheep” and they came from “crowds in the low plain of the decision” the one “crowd” marked for survival in peoples who had not yet met Christ, but were about to, and that whole transition in prophecy of Revelation 7:9-17 just maintains the “great crowd” meaning to help us see ANYONE can be saved. THAT “crowd” is a mix of people becoming “sheep” in all kinds of ways, some “on the spot”; of course we know they have to be sheep, many do not know they can be very very “newbie” “sheep”, on the spot sheep. Obviously that is truly “good news” for them people who at this time do not even know they are already being inspected for sheep-like character and THAT Revelation 14:6-8 REALITY needs to be fully explained with the final ministry.

That being the case, God uses that “great crowd” term to further affirm ANYONE can be saved, NO WAY is the sacrificial atonement of Christ who bought the whole world:

(1 John 2:1-2) My little children, I am writing you these things that you may not commit a sin. And yet, if anyone does commit a sin, we have a helper with the Father, Jesus Christ, a righteous one. 2 And he is a propitiatory sacrifice for our sins, yet not for ours only but also for the whole world’s. 

The Christ sacrifice for salvation cannot to be limited by ANY “religious label” which sprung up later. Being a “Christian” is NOT a “religion”, it is a FAITH:

(Revelation 14:12) Here is where it means endurance for the holy ones, those who observe the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.”

So sheep “survival” is through events as you perceived, not through a prophetic SIGNAL global “condition”. Har-Magedon is merely descriptive of world government taking over the planetary military aspect of the whole planet Earth “mountain” wherein planet Earth is really the “Har” “mountain” in “Har”-“Magedon” under 8th King King North total military domination as one whole global rival entity under “one hour” of world government in the future. (And that is why God tells the 8th King “powers that be” in Joel 3 to “BE READY” (and Eze38:7)…

(Ezekiel 38:7) “‘“Be ready, and let there be preparation on your part, you with all your congregation, those congregated alongside you, and you must become their guard.

…for the war with Christ and completing the 100% global-military control aspect defines “ready” as far as Christ is concerned, world government will already have “crossed the line”, and the games shall begin in due time. (in the active Dan12:11 period)

(Daniel 12:11) “And from the time that the constant [feature] has been removed (Rev11:7 final warning ceased) and there has been a placing of the disgusting thing that is causing desolation (as complete world government), there will be one thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Thus that whole 1290 days is also open for Revelation 14:6-8 salvation. The “Armageddon” war phase of the “war of the great day of God the Almighty” will be what concludes the 1290 days because ONLY “the happy” enter Daniel 12:12’s phase.

The thing to survive thus, as can be imagined, is God and Christ’s MASSIVE GLOBAL REACTION EVENT to this rival world government global “Har-Magedon” military system of the future. Basically at that time “Har-Magedon” “Mount Militia” is Earth’s new 8th King world government name for planet Earth as far as God is concerned, but not long thereafter. AT times, really in error, that divine intervention event gets called “Har-Magedon”, hence the problem you detected. It is really a certain type of prophetic completion in the MILITARY SECTOR ASPECT of complete world government.

Har-Magedon is the global “place” and condition of the world judgment of God and Christ.

Good question, thanks for asking it.

TWO Witnesses for TWO Kingdoms: Why 1914-1918 is a Valid Prophecy Period

TWO Witnesses for TWO Kingdoms: Why 1914-1918 is a Valid Prophecy Period

There is a lot of doubt being created to discredit 1914 and thus Jehovah’s witnesses “first witnessing” message of 1914-1918 and its first 1260 days from the time they used to be called the Bible Students (their first “witness” title as a lose parallel). This is not so much about the TWO witnessings to eventually complete, this is why 1914-1918 was a valid Kingdom of God proclamation and why there are TWO witnessings REQUIRED in the first place.

The fact is, the “Kingdom of God” is NOT the only “Kingdom” we are tracking in prophecy, there is also the “Kingdom of the Son of his love”, same as the “Kingdom of David”, aka the “Messianic Kingdom of CHRIST” PLAINLY identified as separate “Kingdom” entities in prophecy, though unified in purpose and separate covenant defined. (2Sam7:11-16; Luke22:28-30)

1914-1918 is good, and here is why: It was just the…

1. “Kingdom of God” aspect…

2. … of the Christ Messianic Kingdom overall development; (at this time still in progress until Revelation 14:1 is fulfilled.)

As you many understand in Daniel 2:31-45 there is the “mountain” which represents God’s Kingdom, an eternal thing complete from even the distant past, and there is the “stone” “cut from the mountain” which is the Kingdom of Christ aka the “Messianic Kingdom” merely BORN in 1914. (See also Luke 22:28-20; Zechariah 6:1-8)

There are TWO “Kingdoms” we NEED to track in time. 1914 and the future. The Messianic Kingdom is NOT a complete entity at this time, nor has it had a proper and official global proclamation. Yet….

There are ” TWO witnesses” witnessings because there are TWO Kingdoms in prophecy. (Rev11:3); See [1] below.

TWO KINGDOM PROCLAMATIONS REQUIRED!

1. 1914-1918 was the 1260 days associated with the God’s Kingdom proclamation aspect, of course ALREADY complete wherein Jesus Christ was crowned TEMPORARY KING of God’s Kingdom in 1914. The first witnessing of the TWO witnesses made the announcement of the coronation of Christ in God’s Kingdom, very important, because it birthed, just “cut out” the “stone” of the Messianic Kingdom.

See what that means? At this time, the Messianic Kingdom is still maturing and it too must be complete in time with all 144000 completion, regardless if that is literal or symbolic number it signifies Rev 7:1-8 and Rev14:1-5 is a COMPLETION REQUIREMENT OF THE FUTURE.

2. Well guess what that second witnessing of the TWO witnesses for 1260 days in the future is?

Yep, you probably guessed it.

It is Christ’s Messianic Kingdom “King of kings” Completion to Coronation EVENT which also requires a preceding proclamation TOO, a full open salvation offer and final warning to precede that event. (Rev10:11) “You must prophesy AGAIN!”, the 1260 days grand finale proclamation!

THAT is why 1914-1918 is valid 1260 days, initial warning. It is a “first witnessing” of the TWO witnesses to warm us all up BEFORE the final 1260 days of the future to come after Daniel 8:13-14 transpires on Jehovah’s witnesses and they are temple judgment cleansed and recovered for the Messianic Kingdom Completion and Christ Coronation Finale announcement.

That is why there are TWO “witnesses”, 1260 days each, 3.5 times each, 2520 DAYS complete, SEVEN TIMES complete warning (Rev11:3), and “trampling” (Rev11:2), then Christ arrives into a complete world government to complete the above.

Btw, the final 1260 day warning is how the last anointed get sealed-in-affirmation by Rev10:11 “second witnessing” mission completion (Rev10:5-8) to get to Revelation 7:1-8 reality of the “four winds” GT finale which occurs not with the “sword stroke” (Rev13:3), but after, in full 8th King World Government “one hour” global “world peace” reign. (Isa41 parallel, btw)

That is why Daniel 8:25 says “by peace he will destroy many” (Dan11:44 parallel) and “during a freedom from care he will bring many to ruin”, because world government is doing BOTH things at the same time! And part of the many brought to ruin is that final warning (Rev11:7; Rev13:5-7; Dan12:11 remove final constant feature) and then BTG last. (Dan12:11=Rev11:7-10; Rev17:8-18; Rev14:6-8)

While they are saying world government “world peace” and security (1Thess5:1-3), they are also running their final controlled-destructions agenda. It will be so bad God and Christ MUST “cut short the days or no flesh would be saved” as per Matthew 24:21-22.

The possible world war coming up is just a Matthew 24:6 “sword stroke” event and as Jesus said “when you hear of wars and reports of wars don’t freak out, the end is not yet, it does not occur immediately” (Luke21:9 “wars and disorders”) in such a period, paraphrased. It occurs in the world government world peace phase, while they are also “bringing many to ruin”, AFTER the “sword stroke” as per Revelation 13:3, with the “healing” phase parallel.

Before that occurs the “second witnessing” 1260 days will have made the proclamation of the Christ Messianic Kingdom “stone” Christ Coronation certain event to complete in that final period known, and all these kinds of proofs.

THEN the “stone” will hit the Daniel 2 “immense image” whose total symbolic image totality is World Government in the whole “immense image” “standing” at, basically, “the place that is called in Hebrew, Har-Magedon”. The end of the rival will have arrived. All prophecy converges and culminates into world government completion just BEFORE Christ arrives as a sign all can see and act wisely in regard to to avoid the 666 marking of world government allegiance as international law. (Rev13:15-18; Rev14:9-11)

Graphic Examples of Final Cycle and Full Sovereign Prophecy Forecast

Sometimes seeing it laid out helps, so these various graphics illustrate some prophecy timeline features of the final cycle:

https://templelijah.wordpress.com/graphics-of-final-cycle/final-world-government-cycle-graphics/

This one is the most complete because it goes back to Nimrod as a comprehensive view of the whole “seven times” complex of prophecy which is more extensive than JWs teach and uses the 607 BCE Babylon Daniel 4 benchmark rather than that 607 Jerusalem destruction error:

http://s72.photobucket.com/user/templelijah/media/Z05-Seven-Times-Seven-Jehovahs-Witnesses-Update-06-Version1_6_24x36-222dpi_zpsymrz6hkg.png.html?sort=3&o=5

But when the summary goes global, in time, these final harmonizations are very complete and defensible across all sovereign, temple, kingdom and “seven times” prophecy which actually completes in Revelation final future events.

But you can look through the Photobucket Library and find the [imagename.jpg~original] (note the ~original Photobucket string denoting full size version) to get the fullest size version as these are designed as poster size in that largest resolution version, fully readable, as the reduced sizes do lose some readability.

The full wrap up is here but it is really meant for the most advanced JW prophecy studier, but it has areas anyone can get the gist of:

“Seven Times” Updates Coming—”Appointed Times of the Nations” Reconsidered, Again

https://templelijah.wordpress.com/2015/12/29/seven-times-updates-coming-appointed-times-of-the-nations-reconsidered-again/

I imagine the final warning summary will have the simplest versions as well. And we have time, so this will all get out in time. JWs have to aid it as Rev10:11, but the message must be ANYONE on Earth can observe Rev14:6-7 now, and at that time and be saved. ANYONE.

This is complex but also simple in that world government completion triggers Christ arrival as the simplest message. BUT it is not too simple, nor too complex, it will be Rev10:5-8 COMPLETE and comprehended by “all sorts of men” from the simplest to the most advanced Bible student and or common human, because even some from the rival system could be spared, such as Jonah has proven in principle in his commission.

Thanks

Just stick at it, when Daniel 8:13-14 proves itself in time, it will keep getting “morning” clearer and clearer as we arrive to the full “day’s” “noon”. (Dan8:26; Hos6:1-3; Isa31:8-9; Isa37:30-32)

Clarification for “Jerusalem” WILL BE Trampled by the Nations 2520 DAYS as “Seven Times”

Clarification for “Jerusalem” WILL BE Trampled by the Nations 2520 DAYS as “Seven Times”

Comment: Bethel – do you accept that the “appointed times of the nations” (Luke 21:24) are the 7 times of Daniel 4:16,17 which, in turn, is parallel to Revelation 11:15?

Response:

I’m glad you asked because I need to update this statement in the final article:

“”The real “appointed times of the nations” for final application is that 2520 days “seven times” of Revelation 11 which occurred in its first-half in 1914-1918. BUT it must manifest again after the Daniel 8:13-14 Temple Judgment of Jehovah’s witnesses coming up has expired into the cleansing “right condition” to then be approved for the final warning mission, AGAIN, of Rev10:11:””

To read more like this:

The FINAL “appointed times of the nations” for final warning application is that 2520 days “seven times” of Revelation 11 which occurred in its first-half in 1914-1918, but IT IS STILL RELATED TO THE “GENTILE TIMES” 2520 YEARS “SEVEN TIMES” WHICH LED TO THIS FINAL 2520 DAYS WHICH BEGAN IN 1914. BUT a FINAL 1260 DAYS WARNING TO COMPLETE THE REVEALTION1 1 “SEVEN TIMES” AS WELL must manifest again after the Daniel 8:13-14 Temple Judgment of Jehovah’s witnesses coming up has expired into the cleansing “right condition” to then be approved for the final warning mission, AGAIN, of Rev10:11…

This is because the “holy city” is NOW represented EXCLUSIVELY by the anointed Christian “body” who are more precisely “trampled” by now the maturing “gentile” power system as the 7th King is actually led by the 8th King DESIGNATE system as it first appeared in the “League of Nations” as the UN nucleus and “image” of world government, as the UN has made its claims known since?

1919

1919 is THE VERY YEAR the first of the “two witnesses” “3.5 day” “death state” ENDED in that first “time, times, and half a time” [3.5 times] witnessing of 1914-1918, as eventually the brothers were released from prison after their complete 1260 day warning and by God’s aid thereafter produced a ministry we are STILL talking about as regards global sovereignty and who really receives it in Jesus Christ.

So, I will be more precise in that Jesus, of course, is still talking about the 2520 years original “seven times” but this final 2520 days is a provable anointed Christian focus 100%. This final seven times as 2520 days is more IN OUR FACE and thus the final application of Christ’s lead in prophecy. It differs in complete anointed Christian focus in that the original “seven times” 2520 years has included the physical Jerusalem as it did transform with the “new covenant” into the spiritual final reality of the “Jerusalem” and “holy city” symbol which Jehovah’s witnesses have explained in its modern anointed Christian form of spiritual significance.

But this 2520 days is far more exact in focus and 100% applicable to the anointed Christian body “holy city” in its initial ministerial form in 1914 and now in the final anointed who will have to carry out the final warning as Revelation 9 “locusts” again, and Jehovah’s witnesses will again become the myriads of “cavalry” to complete the global spread.

Thus, that is how Luke 21:24 has a completed full application by means of the second witnessing going forth for a COMPLETE 1260 days, to be deposed again by the enemy system in the future as Rev11:7-10, but this time all the “3.5”‘s complete as full SEVEN [7] times and 2520 days when combined with the initial warning. (See the end note on the significance of the future cancellation of this final warning***)

It is important to AFFIRM, DEFEND and REVISIT the “first witness” truths Jehovah’s witnesses have correct as that IRREMOVABLE foundation of prophecy truth is what the “second witness” [of the future] is built on to affirm it all AGAIN, a true “second witnessing”, by merely final world events leading to 8th King world government.

8th King WORLD GOVERNMENT, [this time in complete form], after a final “sword stroke” [coming], shall REPEAT the same “divine warning” into a “sovereignty issue” global, now well-known-prophecy pattern and global context ALL PEOPLE will soon be faced with in time, in WORLD GOVERNMENT ITSELF!

In other words, World Government will become a HUGE TOTAL GLOBAL SIGNAL of the Christ arrival to come shortly thereafter, and in very basic form BILLIONS of people can take advantage oft he full understanding of what that means as aided by the preceding 1260 days final warning of Jehovah’s witnesses then complete and deposed again as per Revelation 11:7 parallel Daniel 12:11 “remove the constant” the final time.

Thus, like no time in history, WORLD EVENTS WILL AFFIRM THE PROPHECY upon the same pattern as the “first witness” but now in a form so HUGE and striking, so complete, as to garner COMPLETE GLOBAL ATTENTION on the 8th King “disgusting thing” BILLIONS of times more pronounced and in everyone’s face live and real-time than in WW1 and 1914-1919 because this time BILLIONS of people WILL see the whole thing with an utterly COMPLETE 2520 days total prophetically provable warning as per Luke 21:24 also completing fully!

And this time recovered and cleansed Jehovah’s witnesses will be foretelling it from prophecy WELL BEFORE IT ALL HAPPENS! This time it has to be known BEFORE it all occurs, or it would be too late to try to “interpret” after the fact as we usually did before this time.

Now, the next thing is the temple judgment of Daniel 8:13-14 FIRST TIMED PROOF, and Revelation second cycle, which leads to the Revelation 9 MODERN recovery of JWs, which will AFFIRM THIS IS ALL TRUE [[[ONLY]]] by Jehovah’s witnesses ACTUALLY CARRYING OUT THIS FINAL 1260 DAY FINAL WARNING and global open salvation offer in completely complete and summarized form, as it proves itself all the way into the very global climactic events it will be warning of in 8th King world government to trigger the arrival and sovereign response of God and Christ in final form.

It will become the most complete and convincing summary ministry of all time, just as God Almighty JEHOVAH SWORE it would here, so it is a promise AND an Almighty Oath:

(Revelation 10:5-7) And the angel that I saw standing on the sea and on the earth raised his right hand to heaven, 6 and by the One who lives forever and ever, who created the heaven and the things in it and the earth and the things in it and the sea and the things in it, he swore: “There will be no delay any longer; 7 but in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to blow his trumpet, the sacred secret of God according to the good news which he declared to his own slaves the prophets is indeed brought to a finish.”

(Revelation 10:11) And they say to [Jehovah’s witnesses]: “You must prophesy AGAIN with regard to peoples and nations and tongues and many kings.”

True, it is an anointed “body” symbol, but it also true Jehovah’s witnesses are the 6th plague, second global woe supporting forces of the “two witnesses” war with the wildbeast in future final form. (Rev11:1-7) This is all to be the real thing, in final form, and Jehovah’s witnesses MUST stay in global focus, but by that time, purified and in final form.

It has to be a COMPLETELY full unified effort to complete the final warning after the timed-proof Dan8:13-14 temple judgment gets rid of the current obstacles among Jehovah’s witnesses with the purification intent of the “right condition”. (Also Zech3:4-5, Mal3:1-5)

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Final Note on the Cancellation of the Final Warning by Forming or Complete World Government At that Time
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And that final warning ceased into the final “3.5 day death state” of the “two witnesses” in its final form, defines the start of Daniel 12:11 in BOTH Rev11:7 “ascended” world government AND the ministerial final warning cancellation sign when BOTH are present in the future:

(Daniel 12:11) “And from the time that the constant [feature] has been removed (Rev11:7, second witness deposed) and there has been a placing of the disgusting thing that is causing desolation (as complete world government), there will be one thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Now the “3.5 day death state” means Christ waits a little while to go into sheep securing mode, and it must be merging WITH THE START of the 1290 days, when that  “3.5 day death state” expires, Rev11:11-12 Christ arrival parallel activates. (The  “3.5 day death state” is the furthest point reached in prophecy just BEFORE Christ arrives, btw)

But as per Genesis 7:4 final week of literally seven days and Daniel 9:27’s final “week” of seven years, the 1260 days and 1290 days in the final week where at the “half of the week” “gift offering is ceased” in the same pattern as the “two witnesses” constant feature being removed, on the overall Christ pattern of his own sacrifice “at the half of the week”.

What this WILL mean is the 1290 days is all Christ arrived when the 3.5 days expired into the start of the 1290, but it is also FULLY OPEN FOR SALVATION (Rev14:6-8) to fully expire 1290 days into, after, Daniel 12:11; Then comes the total utter conquest of the 8th King world government system as the FULL Christ “White Horse” war mode of Revelation 19:11-21. THAT is the end of the 1290 days as Christ IS ALSO CROWNED Messianic Kingdom “King of kings” King-Priest of Zech6:9-15 pattern and Ps110. That is why ONLY “the happy” enter Daniel 12:12.

So we have to keep the 2520 days application of overall Luke 21:24 but also understand Revelation 11’s TWO “witnessings” also contain the final warning example of that same “seven times” concept, but in final form of today.

 

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On 607 BCE Babylon “Gentile Times” Benchmark

Bethel – do you accept that the “appointed times of the nations” (Luke 21:24) are the 7 times of Daniel 4:16,17 which, in turn, is parallel to Revelation 11:15?

But we need to get more in harmony with what a GENTILE timing is Newton. It MUST be based on GENTILE history, which Jerusalem’s intrigues parallel true, but 607 BCE is the OFFICIAL King of Babylon [designate] marker in Nebuchadnezzar being crown-prince in that year.

This allows the Jerusalem especially temple destruction on 586 BCE to tie “seven times” trampled over to the Zechariah 6:9-15 (Zech4:6–9) 516 BCE TEMPLE >>>COMPLETION<<< event.

This:

1. Keeps the 607 BCE to 1914 CE VALIDITY but with a solid GENTILE timing, everything is fine it was only a “date/event” glitch that caused this problem.

2. This ties in PERFECTLY “seven times” as the 70 years of:

A. The exact 70 year limit of Babylon’s Neb dynasty ended by Cyrus the Christ pattern symbol.

B. Highlights the 70 year Temple COMPLETION significance and the “King-Priest” Christ will become as the Zechariah 6:9-15 pattern, as per Ps110:2 CROWNED right in the face of the enemy system!

This “gentile time” harmonizing ties it all together PERFECTLY! with NO “20 year problem” which is now causing stumbling.

Appointed Times of the Nations Reconsidered, Again—Seven “Seven times” Applications; Initial, Offset and Extended to World Government and Christ Arrival

https://templelijah.wordpress.com/2016/06/04/appointed-times-of-the-nations-reconsidered-again-seven-seven-times-applications-initial-offset-and-extended-to-christ-arrival/

https://templelijah.files.wordpress.com/2016/06/appointed_times_of_the_nations_reconsidered_againe28094seven_seven_times_applications1.pdf

 

Exonerate Ray Franz

Now we KNOW Ray Franz was actually getting to this very harmonization it would have had to lead to way back in 1981. But the bad GB do not want to let:

1. Ray Franz lead to the harmonization.

2. Ray Franz become Fred Franz’s successor in 1992 when Fred died, to then explain the 1990 3rd UN presentation properly as Daniel 11:31b.

The skinny is, they did NOT want Ray Franz to become the next Jehovah’s witnesses prophecy guide, they wanted to just let the USSR=KN error ride, when it is ALL UN significance, ONLY the “8th King” can end up being ” King North” in Daniel 11:27-45.

“Jerusalem” WILL BE Trampled by the Nations 2520 DAYS as “Seven Times” Update on Revelation 11

“Jerusalem” WILL BE Trampled by the Nations 2520 DAYS as “Seven Times”

Jesus and the “Seven Times” Revelation 11 TWO “witnesses” Easy Math (Luke 21:24 “Seven Times” and Revelation 11’s 2 Witnessings)

On a side note, though related we can now revisit Jesus Christ prophecy in modern details of the 1260 days “trampling of the holy city”. There is a very simple 2_X_1260 days equates to 2520 days as “seven times” formula in Revelation 11.

We can use it to derive the very final “seven times” which BEGAN in 1914 as the first half of the 2520 days in that first 1260 days witnessing of 1914-1918. BUT a FINAL “second witness” will also re-emerge as the final warning of 1260 days completes this “appointed times” as “seven times” in its Revelation 11 simple format IN THE FUTURE.

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FINAL SEVEN TIMES IS 2520 DAYS 2WITNESSES 2X1260 DAYS 1914-1918 AND THE FUTURE FINAL WARNING

When Jesus Christ said “Jerusalem” [[[[WILL BE]]]] “trampled by the nations” he meant, at that time he was speaking, the FUTURE Revelation 11:2 “holy city is to be trampled 42 months”. The “first witness” manifestation was in 1914-1918’s first 1260 days for the first Kingdom announcement in regard to God’s Kingdom. That that final “seven times” initializing half portion of 1260 days BEGAN in 1914 as the 2520 years “seven times” ENDED is no accident.

BUT!

There is a FINAL 1260 days of the 2520 days “seven times” REQUIREMENT that must announce the “second witnessing” of the “TWO witnesses” for the second Kingdom manifestation as the Messianic Kingdom maturation and completion announcement IN THE FUTURE. And by that, thereby, COMPLETING 2520 days as “seven times” of explicit divine warning with the Kingdom of God main sovereign ensign.

(Luke 21:24) Jerusalem WILL BE trampled on by the nations, UNTIL the appointed times of the nations are fulfilled. (In of course, “seven times” related timing, but as 2520 DAYS now!)

The real “appointed times of the nations” for final application is that 2520 days “seven times” of Revelation 11 which occurred in its first-half in 1914-1918. BUT it must manifest again after the Daniel 8:13-14 Temple Judgment of Jehovah’s witnesses coming up has expired into the cleansing “right condition” to then be approved for the final warning mission, AGAIN, of Rev10:11:

(Revelation 10:11) 11 And they say to me: “You MUST prophesy >>>AGAIN<<< with regard to peoples and nations and tongues and many kings.”

This must occur TWICE with each “witness” JW based global “witnessing” to complete the FINAL SEVEN TIMES:

(Revelation 11:2-3) . . .But as for the courtyard that is outside the temple [sanctuary], cast it clear out and do not measure it, because it has been given to the nations, and they will trample the holy city underfoot for forty-two months. 3 And I will cause my TWO witnesses to prophesy a thousand two hundred and sixty days dressed in sackcloth.”

The Daniel 11:32a KN-GB FAKES cover this up to lead JWs into this judgment as Daniel 11:41.

That TWO witnesses then equates to 1260 days prophesied TWICE (2 times) for a total of 2520 days AS “SEVEN TIMES” COMPLETE and this time the 1260 days must precede and lead into the counter-sovereign “8th King” “King North” World Government global completion “one hour” of Rev17:12.

The final warning shall warn of the divine ramifications of that “one world government”, it shall get a heated response from God and Christ with a full warning given completely (Rev11:1-7) BEFOREHAND.

As required sign proof Daniel 8:13-14 must fully run its temple judgment course of events, timing and “evening” and “morning” phasing on the JW ministry with a JW Org desolation signal in some manner, to start the timing. Daniel 8:13-14 must fulfill BEFORE the final 1260 days can be officially commissioned and deployed.

Clarifying Appendix

Comment: Bethel – do you accept that the “appointed times of the nations” (Luke 21:24) are the 7 times of Daniel 4:16,17 which, in turn, is parallel to Revelation 11:15?

Response:

I’m glad you asked because I need to update this statement in the final article:

The real “appointed times of the nations” for final application is that 2520 days “seven times” of Revelation 11 which occurred in its first-half in 1914-1918. BUT it must manifest again after the Daniel 8:13-14 Temple Judgment of Jehovah’s witnesses coming up has expired into the cleansing “right condition” to then be approved for the final warning mission, AGAIN, of Rev10:11:

To read more like this:

The FINAL “appointed times of the nations” for final warning application is that 2520 days “seven times” of Revelation 11 which occurred in its first-half in 1914-1918, but IT IS STILL RELATED TO THE “GENTILE TIMES” 2520 YEARS “SEVEN TIMES” WHICH LED TO THIS FINAL 2520 DAYS WHICH BEGAN IN 1914. BUT a FINAL 1260 DAYS WARNING TO COMPLETE THE REVEALTION1 1 “SEVEN TIMES” AS WELL must manifest again after the Daniel 8:13-14 Temple Judgment of Jehovah’s witnesses coming up has expired into the cleansing “right condition” to then be approved for the final warning mission, AGAIN, of Rev10:11…

This is because the “holy city” is NOW represented EXCLUSIVELY by the anointed Christian “body” who are more precisely “trampled” by now the maturing “gentile” power system as the 7th King is actually led by the 8th King DESIGNATE system as it first appeared in the “League of Nations” as the UN nucleus and “image” of world government, as the UN has made its claims known since?

1919

1919 is THE VERY YEAR the first of the “two witnesses” “3.5 day” “death state” ENDED in that first “time, times, and half a time” [3.5 times] witnessing of 1914-1918, as eventually the brothers were released from prison after their complete 1260 day warning and by God’s aid thereafter produced a ministry we are STILL talking about as regards global sovereignty and who really receives it in Jesus Christ.

So, I will be more precise in that Jesus, of course, is still talking about the 2520 years original “seven times” but this final 2520 days is a provable anointed Christian focus 100%. This final seven times as 2520 days is more IN OUR FACE and thus the final application of Christ’s lead in prophecy. It differs in complete anointed Christian focus in that the original “seven times” 2520 years has included the physical Jerusalem as it did transform with the “new covenant” into the spiritual final reality of the “Jerusalem” and “holy city” symbol which Jehovah’s witnesses have explained in its modern anointed Christian form of spiritual significance.

But this 2520 days is far more exact in focus and 100% applicable to the anointed Christian body “holy city” in its initial ministerial form in 1914 and now in the final anointed who will have to carry out the final warning as Revelation 9 “locusts” again, and Jehovah’s witnesses will again become the myriads of “cavalry” to complete the global spread.

Thus, that is how Luke 21:24 has a completed full application by means of the second witnessing going forth for a COMPLETE 1260 days, to be deposed again by the enemy system in the future as Rev11:7-10, but this time all the “3.5”‘s complete as full SEVEN [7] times and 2520 days when combined with the initial warning. (See the end note on the significance of the future cancellation of this final warning***)

It is important to AFFIRM, DEFEND and REVISIT the “first witness” truths Jehovah’s witnesses have correct as that IRREMOVABLE foundation of prophecy truth is what the “second witness” [of the future] is built on to affirm it all AGAIN, a true “second witnessing”, by merely final world events leading to 8th King world government.

8th King WORLD GOVERNMENT, [this time in complete form], after a final “sword stroke” [coming], shall REPEAT the same “divine warning” into a “sovereignty issue” global, now well-known-prophecy pattern and global context ALL PEOPLE will soon be faced with in time, in WORLD GOVERNMENT ITSELF!

In other words, World Government will become a HUGE TOTAL GLOBAL SIGNAL of the Christ arrival to come shortly thereafter, and in very basic form BILLIONS of people can take advantage oft he full understanding of what that means as aided by the preceding 1260 days final warning of Jehovah’s witnesses then complete and deposed again as per Revelation 11:7 parallel Daniel 12:11 “remove the constant” the final time.

Thus, like no time in history, WORLD EVENTS WILL AFFIRM THE PROPHECY upon the same pattern as the “first witness” but now in a form so HUGE and striking, so complete, as to garner COMPLETE GLOBAL ATTENTION on the 8th King “disgusting thing” BILLIONS of times more pronounced and in everyone’s face live and real-time than in WW1 and 1914-1919 because this time BILLIONS of people WILL see the whole thing with an utterly COMPLETE 2520 days total prophetically provable warning as per Luke 21:24 also completing fully!

And this time recovered and cleansed Jehovah’s witnesses will be foretelling it from prophecy WELL BEFORE IT ALL HAPPENS! This time it has to be known BEFORE it all occurs, or it would be too late to try to “interpret” after the fact as we usually did before this time.

Now, the next thing is the temple judgment of Daniel 8:13-14 FIRST TIMED PROOF, and Revelation second cycle, which leads to the Revelation 9 MODERN recovery of JWs, which will AFFIRM THIS IS ALL TRUE [[[ONLY]]] by Jehovah’s witnesses ACTUALLY CARRYING OUT THIS FINAL 1260 DAY FINAL WARNING and global open salvation offer in completely complete and summarized form, as it proves itself all the way into the very global climactic events it will be warning of in 8th King world government to trigger the arrival and sovereign response of God and Christ in final form.

It will become the most complete and convincing summary ministry of all time, just as God Almighty JEHOVAH SWORE it would here, so it is a promise AND an Almighty Oath:

(Revelation 10:5-7) And the angel that I saw standing on the sea and on the earth raised his right hand to heaven, 6 and by the One who lives forever and ever, who created the heaven and the things in it and the earth and the things in it and the sea and the things in it, he swore: “There will be no delay any longer; 7 but in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to blow his trumpet, the sacred secret of God according to the good news which he declared to his own slaves the prophets is indeed brought to a finish.”

(Revelation 10:11) And they say to [Jehovah’s witnesses]: “You must prophesy AGAIN with regard to peoples and nations and tongues and many kings.”

True, it is an anointed “body” symbol, but it also true Jehovah’s witnesses are the 6th plague, second global woe supporting forces of the “two witnesses” war with the wildbeast in future final form. (Rev11:1-7) This is all to be the real thing, in final form, and Jehovah’s witnesses MUST stay in global focus, but by that time, purified and in final form.

It has to be a COMPLETELY full unified effort to complete the final warning after the timed-proof Dan8:13-14 temple judgment gets rid of the current obstacles among Jehovah’s witnesses with the purification intent of the “right condition”. (Also Zech3:4-5, Mal3:1-5)

[***]
Final Note on the Cancellation of the Final Warning by Forming or Complete World Government At that Time
=============

And that final warning ceased into the final “3.5 day death state” of the “two witnesses” in its final form, defines the start of Daniel 12:11 in BOTH Rev11:7 “ascended” world government AND the ministerial final warning cancellation sign:

(Daniel 12:11) “And from the time that the constant [feature] has been removed (Rev11:7, second witness deposed) and there has been a placing of the disgusting thing that is causing desolation (as complete world government), there will be one thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Now the “3.5 day death state” means Christ waits a little while to go into sheep securing mode, and it must be merging into the start of the 1290 days. But as per Genesis 7:4 final week of literally seven days and Daniel 9:27’s final “week” of seven years, the 1260 days and 1290 days in the final week where at the “half of the week” “gift offering is ceased” in the same pattern as the “two witnesses” constant feature being removed, on the overall Christ pattern of his own sacrifice “at the half of the week”.

What this WILL mean is the 1290 days is all Christ arrived when the 3.5 days expired into the start of the 1290, but it is also FULLY OPEN FOR SALVATION (Rev14:6-8) to fully expire 1290 days into, after, Daniel 12:11; Then comes the total utter conquest of the 8th King world government system as the FULL Christ “White Horse” war mode of Revelation 19:11-21. THAT is the end of the 1290 days as Christ IS ALSO CROWNED Messianic Kingdom “King of kings” King-Priest of Zech6:9-15 pattern and Ps110. That is why ONLY “the happy” enter Daniel 12:12.

So we have to keep the 2520 days application of overall Luke 21:24 but also understand Revelation 11’s TWO “witnessings” also contain the final warning example of that same “seven times” concept but in final form of today.

 

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On 607 BCE and Babylon Benchmark of Daniel 4

Bethel – do you accept that the “appointed times of the nations” (Luke 21:24) are the 7 times of Daniel 4:16,17 which, in turn, is parallel to Revelation 11:15?

But we need to get more in harmony with what a GENTILE timing is Netwon. It MUST be based on GENTILE history, which Jerusalem’s intrigues parallel true, but 607 BCE is the OFFICIAL King of Babylon [designate] marker in Nebuchadnezzar being crown-prince in that year.

This allows the Jerusalem especially temple destruction on 586 BCE to tie “seven times” trampled over to the Zechariah 6:9-15 (Zech4:6–9) 516 BCE TEMPLE >>>COMPLETION<<< event.

This:

1. Keeps the 607 BCE to 1914 CE VALIDITY but with a solid GENTILE timing, everything is fine it was only a “date/event” glitch that caused this problem.

2. This ties in PERFECTLY “seven times” as the 70 years of:

A. The exact 70 year limit of Babylon’s Neb dynasty ended by Cyrus the Christ pattern symbol.

B. Highlights the 70 year Temple COMPLETION significance and the “King-Priest” Christ will become as the Zechariah 6:9-15 pattern, as per Ps110:2 CROWNED right in the face of the enemy system!

This “gentile time” harmonizing ties it all together PERFECTLY! with NO “20 year problem” which is now causing stumbling.

Exonerate Ray Franz

Now we KNOW Ray Franz was actually getting to this very harmonization it would have had to lead to way back in 19181. But the bad GB do not want to let:

1. Ray Franz lead to the harmonization.

2. Ray Franz become Fred Franz’s successor in 1992 when Fred died, to then explain the 1990 3rd UN presentation properly as Daniel 11:31b.

The skinny is, they did NOT want Ray Franz to become the next Jehovah’s witnesses prophecy guide, they wanted to just let the USSR=KN error ride, when it is ALL UN significance, ONLY the “8th King” can end up being King North in Daniel 11:27-45.

 

Mapping the Christ Arrival; after World Government Completion

Mapping the Christ Arrival by Prophecy Cross Reference

Precedes Christ Arrival Immediate

Using the Christ arrival benchmark and working first backwards, what are a couple things we can use the Bible’s own text to determine immediately precede the Christ arrival? What can we find in the Bible that happens just before Christ arrives?

Let us examine two prophecies which have globally seen features that expire into the Christ arrival, thus being active before he arrives in the “tribulation of those days” and in the cessation of the final warning “two witnesses” final ministry which have to be in parallel leading to the Christ arrival

1. Tribulation of Those Days Ends

(Matthew 24:29-31) “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 And then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in lamentation, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he will send forth his angels with a great trumpet sound, and they will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds, from one extremity of the heavens to their other extremity.

Obviously, this is a great clue with no “end of the world” described as well. This is a portion of the “great tribulation” that Christ cannot “cut short” because he does not even arrive in the sequence until “immediately after” the “tribulation of those days” ends as explicitly described in the text.

A. And we note there is no “the end” in this sequence, the prophecy ends with the sheep gathering sequence occurring first.

B. This “tribulation” phase must be resolving by other means, such as the “sword stroke” of a world war resolving and “healing” on its own by 8th King design.

Now we just examined the event immediate to the Christ arrival, something resolves the “tribulation of those days” other than a divine “the end” “cut short the days” intervention. Keeping this in mind let’s examine the cessation of the final warning “two witnesses” ministry for its final symbolic period to expire into the Christ arrival in this parallel. This is the last prophetic timed symbolic period that expires right into the Christ arrival:

2. Three and a Half Days Death State of Two Witnesses Killed Expires

(Revelation 11:7-13) And when they have finished their witnessing, the wild beast that ascends out of the abyss will make war with them and conquer them and kill them. 8 And their corpses will be on the broad way of the great city which is in a spiritual sense called Sodom and Egypt, where their Lord was also impaled. 9 And those of the peoples and tribes and tongues and nations will look at their corpses for three and a half days, and they do not let their corpses be laid in a tomb. 10 And those dwelling on the earth rejoice over them and enjoy themselves, and they will send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented those dwelling on the earth. 11 And after the three and a half days spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet, and great fear fell upon those beholding them. 12 And they heard a loud voice out of heaven say to them: “Come on up here.” And they went up into heaven in the cloud, and their enemies beheld them. 13 And in that hour a great earthquake occurred, and a tenth of the city fell; and seven thousand persons were killed by the earthquake, and the rest became frightened and gave glory to the God of heaven.

Well, putting aside all the distractions in this text to concentrate on the big symbols first we have the “wildbeast” “ascending” from the Revelation 17:8-12 sequence “abyss” which ascent is into world government gone global. We have an “abyss” state and global phase ending which can be a parallel of the ending of the “tribulation of those days” as a “sword stroke” defined “abyss” context for world government to arise from as the ultimate “8th King” “scarlet wild beast” symbol in completion emerging with the “sword stroke” “got healed” global recovery phase.

Knowing this “tribulation of those days” is then a context of the “sword stroke” final world war we know the “abyss” is also the context from which the “wildbeast” ascends. We know world government “wildbeast” is “ascending” into that final global “healing” phase of the “sword stroke” phase ending. That “sword stroke” of Revelation 13:3, in its peak global “tribulation of those days” is ending with that world war resolving as the “tribulation of those days” is also expiring. These are the obvious parallels to manifest in world government also to be seen globally before Christ arrives.

Working Backwards from Christ Arrival

1260 Days Ends

Now we can work backwards through the reversing of the first six trumpets and that final 1260 days that defined the final period of the final warning in the 6th trumpet period as Revelation 9 merged into Revelation 10-11:1-10 all before Christ arrives in Revelation 11:11-12 parallel.

Now we know this 1260 days parallel to Revelation 11:1-7 also ends with a conquering of the “holy ones” who would define the “two witnesses” “killed” cessation of the final warning:

(Revelation 13:5-8) And a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies was given it, and authority to act forty-two months was given it. 6 And it opened its mouth in blasphemies against God, to blaspheme his name and his residence, even those residing in heaven. 7 And there was granted it to wage war with the holy ones and conquer them, and authority was given it over every tribe and people and tongue and nation. 8 And all those who dwell on the earth will worship it; the name of not one of them stands written in the scroll of life of the Lamb who was slaughtered, from the founding of the world.

World Government Rises

Now we have the great clue in the ultimate purpose of this whole “sword stroke” world war cycle was to “heal” the global situation to promote the global worship “admiration” of world government “wild beast”.

(Revelation 13:3) And I saw one of its heads as though slaughtered to death, but its death-stroke got healed, and all the earth followed the wild beast with admiration.

Now that we know what precedes the Christ arrival to the beginning of the final “sword stroke” to define the parallel “tribulation of those days” and the “abyss” to resolve into an “abyss” “ascended” final world government “wild beast” entity we can examine this sequence of the rise of world government in this parallel:

(Revelation 17:8-14) The wild beast that you saw was, but is not, and yet is about to ascend out of the abyss, and it is to go off into destruction. And when they see how the wild beast was, but is not, and yet will be present, those who dwell on the earth will wonder admiringly, but their names have not been written upon the scroll of life from the founding of the world. 9 “Here is where the intelligence that has wisdom comes in: The seven heads mean seven mountains, where the woman sits on top. 10 And there are seven kings: five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet arrived, but when he does arrive he must remain a short while. 11 And the wild beast that was but is not, it is also itself an eighth [king], but springs from the seven, and it goes off into destruction. 12 “And the ten horns that you saw mean ten kings, who have not yet received a kingdom, but they do receive authority as kings one hour with the wild beast. 13 These have one thought, and so they give their power and authority to the wild beast. 14 These will battle with the Lamb, but, because he is Lord of lords and King of kings, the Lamb will conquer them. Also, those called and chosen and faithful with him [will do so].”

Babylon the Great Deposed

Thus, we know Revelation 17:14 is a hint of the parallel of the Christ arrival of Matthew 24:29 as it is a statement of certainty in that “will battle with the lamb” is not one describing an action undertaken at that time, but one that “will” occur most certainly. But by that placement of a Christ arrival parallel we now know one more feature that occurs after Christ arrives, Babylon the Great is then deposed by complete world government of the Revelation 17:8-13 sequence, after which, this occurs:

(Revelation 17:15-18) And he says to me: “The waters that you saw, where the harlot is sitting, mean peoples and crowds and nations and tongues. 16 And the ten horns that you saw, and the wild beast, these will hate the harlot and will make her devastated and naked, and will eat up her fleshy parts and will completely burn her with fire. 17 For God put [it] into their hearts to carry out his thought, even to carry out [their] one thought by giving their kingdom to the wild beast, until the words of God will have been accomplished. 18 And the woman whom you saw means the great city that has a kingdom over the kings of the earth.”


7th Plague Christ “Air” Arrival Precedes Babylon Deposed

And this “air” event of the 7th Plague is also a Christ arrival event of 1 Thessalonians 4:17 and Babylon the Great is then deposed after the air arrival of Christ as implied in Revelation 17:14-18:

(Revelation 16:16-20) And they gathered them together to the place that is called in Hebrew Har–Magedon. 17 And the seventh one poured out his bowl upon the air. At this a loud voice issued out of the sanctuary from the throne, saying: “It has come to pass!” 18 And lightnings and voices and thunders occurred, and a great earthquake occurred such as had not occurred since men came to be on the earth, so extensive an earthquake, so great. 19 And the great city split into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell; and Babylon the Great was remembered in the sight of God, to give her the cup of the wine of the anger of his wrath. 20 Also, every island fled, and mountains were not found.

“Four Winds” Under World Government Proof

We know the Revelation 7 144000 completion is also the Revelation 14 144000 completion and the that the “four winds” period must occur after that 144000 is complete. So, the “four winds” cannot be the “tribulation of those days” which ended before the final sheep are gathered in Matthew 24:31 (Rev7:9-17 “great crowd” deliverance parallel; also Rev14:14-16; Matt25:31-40) of which the finality of the 144000 must be the first sheep group completed to define Revelation 14:1-5.

Two Areas of Common Confusion

1. Thus, what throws people off is when they try to equate the “four winds” with the “tribulation of those days”. 

In reality the “four winds” is after the “tribulation of those days” has ended into world government completion parallel. The “four winds” has to take place under complete world government.

The other area that causes confusion are these parallel destruction modes that precede the total end, where these “kings” are synonymous with complete 8th King world government:

(Daniel 8:25) And according to his insight he will also certainly cause deception to succeed in his hand. And in his heart he will put on great airs, and during a freedom from care he will bring many to ruin. And against the Prince of princes he will stand up, but it will be without hand that he will be broken.

(Daniel 11:44-45) “But there will be reports that will disturb him, out of the sunrising and out of the north, and he will certainly go forth in a great rage in order to annihilate and to devote many to destruction. 45 And he will plant his palatial tents between [the] grand sea and the holy mountain of Decoration; and he will have to come all the way to his end, and there will be no helper for him.

2. Some people assume these are also part of the initial “tribulation of those days”, but they must define the following “four winds” phase under world government, the final phase of the overall “great tribulation”. 

In reality, those are destructions all orchestrated by complete world government and define the “four winds” defining attempted global selective destruction agenda while they are also claiming “world peace”. Both the “four winds” and those destructive modes are under world government complete, some time in its final Revelation 17:12 “one hour” of global authority.

World Government World Peace Signal

The “four winds” has to unfold after the “tribulation of those days” that helped present world government and its “world peace” of 1Thessalonians 5:1-3. Thus, the “during a freedom from care he will bring many to ruin” is in the “four winds” during that final “world peace” and security and the “freedom from care” parallel as they have a destructive agenda which must take place during the time of the “world peace” cover story and global mantra of 8th King world government.

(1 Thessalonians 5:1-3) Now as for the times and the seasons, brothers, you need nothing to be written to you. 2 For you yourselves know quite well that Jehovah’s day is coming exactly as a thief in the night. 3 Whenever it is that they are saying: “Peace and security!” then sudden destruction is to be instantly upon them just as the pang of distress upon a pregnant woman; and they will by no means escape. 

The question here is who are the “they”. Well, if world government officials are globally speaking “world peace” so will those fooled by this also be believing this final world government signal mantra. Thus, the “they” is a globally seen and heard and present “world peace” of world government finality many will speak from top to bottom. This  ultimate “world peace” credibility is obviously added to when Babylon the Great is also fully deposed to add to that proclamation or to signal its emergence in full form.

But from the “four winds” context we know “they” can be undergoing an “sudden destruction” from the world government “bring many to ruin” agenda which is then “cut short” by God and Christ to eventually come on all of the “they” in that world peace proclaiming global population including its world government:

(Matthew 24:21-22) there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again. 22 In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short.

And now we see that “four winds” of engineered world government “depopulation” will get so severe Christ must arrive at that time to cut them short and “repay tribulation” on them:

(2 Thessalonians 1:6-10) This takes into account that it is righteous on God’s part to repay tribulation to those who make tribulation for you, 7 but, to you who suffer tribulation, relief along with us at the revelation of the Lord Jesus from heaven with his powerful angels 8 in a flaming fire, as he brings vengeance upon those who do not know God and those who do not obey the good news about our Lord Jesus. 9 These very ones will undergo the judicial punishment of everlasting destruction from before the Lord and from the glory of his strength, 10 at the time he comes to be glorified in connection with his holy ones and to be regarded in that day with wonder in connection with all those who exercised faith, because the witness we gave met with faith among you.

We see the 8th King world government are the lead engineers in that “make tribulation for you” and everyone in the world to present their world government. But by this time this is the “four winds” under world government being cut short as one whole “end of the system of things”.

Trumpet 1 Temple Judgment First Affirmation

Now, if we continue to step backward through the trumpets the final warning producing recovery is the 5th and 6th trumpets which exposed the 2nd, 3rd and 4th trumpets of apostasy details now present in the JW GB led downward spiral since 1976 to the 1990 3rd UN event cover up and UN NGO definite Daniel 11:31b marker. (Dan11:32a)

Thus, the first trumpet is the Temple judgment symbol which has to occur first and next. The Temple Judgment is Revelation 8:8 which is the symbol of the Revelation 8:3-5 temple judgment modern future events of Daniel 8:13-14 and Zechariah 3:1-5, Malachi 3:1-5 as 1Peter 4:17. Daniel 8:13-14 is also timed for first trumpet event and period affirmation and that will start the whole progression of all seven trumpets wherein the apostasy of Jehovah’s witnesses is exposed first as the final warning ministry is recovered.

Daniel 8:13-14 Timed Temple Judgment Proof of the Future

Daniel 8:13-14 events of JW organization global “trampling” desolations in the Daniel 11:41-43 global context is a 2300 “evenings and mornings” timed prophecy where the total can be 2300 days, 6.38 years, as an “evening and morning” per day. Or the timing may be 1150 days, 3.19 years, as an “evening and morning” each counts per day, 2 per day. So it will be 3.19 years minimum temple judgment, and 3.19 years may be the desolation “evening” phase which may be followed by 3.19 years of the recovery “morning”.

Since the prophecy is rather cryptic we need to pay attention to the timing to transpire after the first notable anti JW Org or anti JW ministry event because the 3.19 year period is to be an affirmable first signal of the active prophecy. In any event the timing will become affirmable because it is the temple judgment verification to aid the inception of the final warning preparing to lead to the final 1260 days and that while the “tribulation of those days” is also activating globally and recognizable.

And that “tribulation of those days” brings us to where this article began as the final warning must be taking part to the point of its cessation into Matt24:29-31 Christ arrival as the event it has all been warning of to be triggered by 8th King world government completion.

Christ’s Riddle: How “World Peace” Signals the Real End, Not “World War”

Christ’s Super Riddle How “World Peace” Signals the Real End, Not “World War”

We know a period such as this is going to be a global crisis like no other time in human history:

(Matthew 24:21-22) for then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again. 22 In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short.

Would that be a period of peak global disorders, violence and “wars and reports of wars”?

Of course global “tribulation” is defined by a stressful global context, which must include climax forms of what defines human lack of system peace and harmony, in peak form. Although that seems to be the default setting for the world, in general, that coming period of Matthew 24:21-22 will be especially unique.

But, the paradox is, the super riddle is, how then is a time of peak wars and reports of wars and “disorders”, NOT the signal of Christ arrival?—in fact global crisis, even in record form, defines the period in which Christ will NOT arrive:

(Matthew 24:6) you are going to hear of wars and reports of wars; see that you are not terrified. For these things must take place, but the end is not yet.

(Luke 21:9) Furthermore, when you hear of wars and disorders, do not be terrified. For these things must occur first, but the end does not [occur] immediately.”

Thus we have quite the perplexing puzzle of seeming contradictions to unravel here. How is total global tribulation NOT the climax signal of the Christ arrival?

If we inverted Christ’s logic, we could get this diametric meaning, could we not?:

(Inverted Matthew 24:6) …you are going to hear of no wars and no reports of wars; see that you are not deceived. For these things must also take place, and the end is at that time.

(Inverted Luke 21:9) Furthermore, when you hear of no wars and no disorders, do not be deceived. For these things must also occur, and the end does [occur] at this time.”

Sound familiar? Is this not saying the same thing as those logical inversions?:

(1 Thessalonians 5:1-5) Now as for the times and the seasons, brothers, you need nothing to be written to you. 2 For you yourselves know quite well that Jehovah’s day is coming exactly as a thief in the night. 3 Whenever it is that they are saying: “Peace and security!” then sudden destruction is to be instantly upon them just as the pang of distress upon a pregnant woman; and they will by no means escape. 4 But you, brothers, you are not in darkness, so that that day should overtake you as it would thieves, 5 for you are all sons of light and sons of day. We belong neither to night nor to darkness.

Then when is that true signal of Christ conquest in “world peace”?; next week?, next year?, or under total world government a number of years from now?

In reality, of course, the Bible provides the very simple answer to this riddle. The real Christ arrival global signal, is at a time of a uniquely significant world “peace and security” statement period. That finale of “world peace” is what actually signals the Christ arrival, not the period of tribulation which precedes it.

And we can register this logic, with what we know about the purpose of the coming preparatory global crisis cycle. That is coming, but it will NOT mean, what many will think it means in some kind of global doomsday, in which Christ must be revealed. Nope.

The Bible reveals the deception every step of the way, from tribulation, to recovery, to world government, to Christ arrival.

The other logical formula that we can use to determine this future cyclic reality, and what helps define the tribulation first, is in Revelation 13’s “sword stroke” cycle. Yes, the global “sword stroke” formula of the future, is right HERE:

(Revelation 13:3) And I saw one of its heads as though slaughtered to death, but its death-stroke got healed, and all the earth followed the wild beast with admiration.

The logic is, that terrifying “sword stroke”, with that global “as though” impression of sure “doomsday”, in fact “miraculously” recovers. That is the clue, this is NOT doomsday, even if in full blown nuclear war, “hot war” “atomic sword stroke” between the US/NATO alliance and the Russia/China bloc.

Do NOT be fooled. IT WILL RESOLVE AS PER PROPHECY, and for the very reason prophecy indicates: to sell world government, and its obligatory “world peace” signal global sovereign statement.

That being the case, that global scale recovery inspires great global “admiration” for the wildbeast world government system. THAT is what all this worldly and JW “doom” HYPE is all about: DECEPTION, to lead people to the counterfeit.

And logically, it is a period of GLOBAL “sword stroke” “healing” that also produces that world “peace and security” true signal of the Christ arrival, and at a time of peak global wildbeast admiration and hence worship, AND at a time of NO “wars and reports of wars”, for world government will be the global military controlling system, not sovereign nations any longer.

The Bethel Hoax

Now we can easily review the current Bethel “prophecy agenda” for JWs, because it is simple, because they want all JWs to think it is “the end”, contrary to Christ’s clue that that tribulation period, is NOT the time he arrives.

JWs simply ignore all this telling Christ and prophecy clues.

And the one descriptive prophecy which Bethel primes the JW skull with, which must come in the future, BOTH by Bethel’s forecast, and the general progression of Daniel 11, is Daniel 11:44.

JWs are expecting “Daniel 11:44 next” as that over advanced position has been maintained, even with the USSR failure (Dan11:36a) of being the real King North of Daniel 11:27-45.

When the SHTF in the future, THIS is what JWs will think, in error, has activated:

(Daniel 11:44) “But there will be reports that will disturb him, out of the sunrising and out of the north, and he will certainly go forth in a great rage in order to annihilate and to devote many to destruction.

Obviously the “sword stroke” coming, can easily fit the Daniel 11:44 description, in the future. But for reasons which will be shown, it will NOT be Daniel 11:44 yet, it will be Daniel 11:41-43.

And thus in JW engineered logic, as they think in error Daniel 11:44 has activated, JWs will also think Daniel 11:44 MUST quickly leads to Daniel 11:45, in Bethel’s false forecast:

(Daniel 11:45) And he will plant his palatial tents between [the] grand sea and the holy mountain of Decoration; and he will have to come all the way to his end, and there will be no helper for him.

So when that final “sword stroke” starts to manifest, JWs will think it is really Daniel 11:44-45 and thus “the end of the world brothers! And that, in spite of the fact, it is the very global context Christ gave us the clue, is NOT the final signal of the end.

But, recall, Daniel 11:40-43 is no picnic for “The Decoration” or the nation-state system “King South” is it?

(Daniel 11:40-43) “And in the time of [the] end the king of the south will engage with him in a pushing, and against him the king of the north will storm with chariots and with horsemen and with many ships; and he will certainly enter into the lands and flood over and pass through. 41 He will also actually enter into the land of the Decoration, and there will be many [lands] that will be made to stumble. But these are the ones that will escape out of his hand, Edom and Moab and the main part of the sons of Ammon. (<apostasy aids) 42 And he will keep thrusting out his hand against the lands; and as regards the land of Egypt (<global nation-state), she (<made subservient) will not prove to be an escapee. 43 And he (world government king north) will actually rule over the (global) hidden treasures of the gold and the silver and over all the desirable things of (nation-state) Egypt. And the Libyans and the Ethiopians will be at his steps.

And no way, did the USSR who was felled by the 8th King globalists, fulfill that scripture, as Bethel tells JWs, to keep them well over-advanced in Daniel 11:44 expectation, way too deep into the prophecy.

And DELUSION now affecting JWs like the mental plague it is, is going to come in very handy, for Bethel to cloak their downfall within. (Daniel 8:13-14; Dan11:41)

See, when the real King North globalists come in to finish off Bethel, which they already entered in infiltration, it is going to be HUGE in JW perception. But rather than be explained as Daniel 8:13-14 (temple judgment) in the Daniel 11:41 global context, INSTEAD, Bethel will tell JWs it must be Daniel 11:44—look no further.

And in that manner, they can sack Bethel, as if the “end of the world”, JWs will be thinking just that, and JWs will be diverted, distracted and misled, so as to not understand it is a corporate super-coup, instead, allowed by God because of many Bethel sins, and UN partnership.

Think about this, THAT REALITY, will then be the FURTHEST THING from JW minds! JWs will be totally deceived, misled, and duped, and within a true global hoax, designed to also take them down, for good. (But, it will fail, as bad as it must get.

Now back top that Daniel 11:44-45 deep future reality.

(Daniel 11:44) “But there will be reports that will disturb him, out of the sunrising and out of the north, and he will certainly go forth in a great rage in order to annihilate and to devote many to destruction. And he will plant his palatial tents between [the] grand sea and the holy mountain of Decoration; and he will have to come all the way to his end, and there will be no helper for him.

So how does this new seeming contradiction get explained? This is how.

Because when world government enters its completion (Rev17:8-18), it will be more dangerous than the global crisis period that led up to it. “World peace” is defined by the total global monopoly of the global financial and military system, by one final world power, the 8th King, King North. (Dan11:42-43; Rev16:13-16)

Even though, under world government, they WILL claim “world peace and security”, as Christ and Paul indicated they will, in a global period of “no wars and reports of wars”, they will then actually carry out their final global “four winds” depopulation agenda, as well. It was just a sucker’s bait deception, and “grandiose words” cover story.

Freedom From Care = World Peace and Security

And that is how this Daniel 8:25 parallel to Daniel 11:44, AND its “freedom from care” context, is that very “world peace and security” parallel of that finale SIGNAL period. (1Thess5:1-3)

BUT, under the “world peace” “freedom from care” deceptive veneer and “healing” (Isa41:1), it is instead a time of the full 8th King agenda being carried out, under full world government, not before, but after world government enters their signal “world peace” period:

(Daniel 8:25) And according to his insight he will also certainly cause deception to succeed in his hand. And in his heart he will put on great airs, and during a freedom from care he will bring many to ruin. And against the Prince of princes he will stand up, but it will be without hand that he will be broken.

And that is why THAT is the period that triggers Christ arrival, is still uniquely tumultuous:

(Matthew 24:21-22) for then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again. 22 In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short.

But as shown, under the globally successful deception context. And now we can understand why THAT period, under the global 8th King true “population override” depopulation directive, in action, is so bad, if Christ did not arrive then, no flesh would survive. That is what the “four winds” is as well, it all climaxes after the “tribulation of those days” resolves into that signal “world peace and security”.

By that time, we will know the “sword stroke” has healed, it was not “doomsday”, it as AS THOUGH “slaughtered to death”, but it was a formulaic ruse cycle, devised to “heal”, to inspire great global admiration for wildbeast world government. And once they get that monopoly finalized, THEN watch out, because then their “world peace” is actually defined by their 100% global monopoly of the entire global weapons and energy technology network, and no nation can stop them, but they are all “gathered” into that situation.

And that is why they are more dangerous, AFTER they achieve total globalized weapons system control, not the stressing global crisis cycle that leads to that outcome.