Than you for that work-up. Can you post this? I suppose you have gone over this before, but this time some things you are saying are making more sense to me.
Yes, I’ll find that thread I replied to you once, and put it in there. Or I think I may comment on that Watchtower 7/15/2015, because that whole “Your Deliverance is Getting Near” is all predictive programming for the coming JW hoax. So I agree, it is important some should be warned of what is an obvious set up, to try to trap JWs, by use of this controlled org.
I think this is important; especially the part about WT’s scary warning that the sheeple had better do whatever they say when the chips are down regardless if it makes sense or not. (Jimmy Jones’ Koolade)
World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years. That is a simple warning anyone can come to believe, especially as the future starts to produce the events and milestones (Dan11:41-43) to lead to that more and more vocal world government goal (Dan11:44-45; Rev17:12) and final proclamation (1Thess5:1-3).
In simplest form of what must come, 8th King world government and God’s final Kingdom completion in Christ’s Messianic Kingdom will basically converge in prophecy to the climax at has all been warning and explaining since IBSA and JWs started to proclaim the preview message. Preview in that is it valid, but it sets future patterns. A WW1 pattern that repeated in WW2 and the Cold War, and the pattern is some climax instability, such as a world war, whether the hot or cold model, RESOLVES to present a UN “we need world peace everyone! we need world government!”; which has happened every time, all three times. We have three global cycles, plain and simple, that all ran a form of that world government formula.
Thus it does not take a prophet to predict a fourth cycle is necessary, and it is the big one, the one that produces full world government. But, the prophets did of course foretell this, in every cycle, and that is why Bethel was overridden so as not to explain that 3rd cycle properly in prophecy, or global significance in lieu of their “its simply the end brothers!” main JW delusion and smokescreen.
I want to state that simple logic on convergent climax, logical climax, because even though God will validate the whole prophecy (Rev10:5-11), the simplest faith in God and Christ, which we do have to guard and exercise, is what will save many people: FAITH.
Yet, since the 8th King boys are paying attention to prophecy in order to subvert it and twist it, like at Bethel now, God will gave them the full fair warning in full detail. Though the “little scroll” sovereign Kingdom information and ultimatum is for all, it is also for the 8th King system, to the full, just like the statements Rutherford and the Bible Students gave in the 1920s to the enemy system in foundational form of world government intent. The enemy system KNEW FULL WELL what Rutherford and pre-JWs were saying, that is why the enemy could “hurl denunciations against the holy covenant”, they knew it was NOT in Christendom, they now KNEW where the “holy covenant” was.
Thus modern Bethel, is an enemy system denunciation, being carried out, they have NOW met their goal of subversion and transgression inside the anointed Christian ministry, now in disapproval, also all prophecy, not random developments as some fragment Bethel condition, as if it is not significant, because to them it never was significant in the first place. OBVIOUSLY now, us knowing the first ministry is valid, also have an advantage to understand WHY these guys are in Bethel subverting it; they TOO KNOW it was a valid ministry; or else why even bother? So it is an enemy led (Dan11:32a) “operation of error” that has matured from error, to “the lie” as per 2Thess2:11-12. IT IS ALL REAL, they ARE diverting JWs into a non-updated UN tracking stance, and worse, a public UN NGO covenant. NOT GOOD.
World Government Before Christ Arrival: Proof
What the first JW explanations have formed, is an understanding of the PRINCIPLES that all come together, AGAIN, for this final cycle. We can know all this will manifest in final form to produce world government, upon the same patterns that used to be being drilled into the JW awareness, live and real-time from 1914 on to the 1990 derailing diversion.
So when the “scarlet wildbeast” “ascends from abyss” in final form here:
(Revelation 17:8-11) The wild beast that you saw was, but is not, and yet is about to ascend out of the abyss, and it is to go off into destruction. And when they see how the wild beast was, but is not, and yet will be present, those who dwell on the earth will wonder admiringly, but their names have not been written upon the scroll of life from the founding of the world. 9 “Here is where the intelligence that has wisdom comes in: The seven heads mean seven mountains, where the woman sits on top. 10 And there are seven kings: five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet arrived, but when he does arrive he must remain a short while. 11 And the wild beast that was but is not, it is also itself an eighth [king], but springs from the seven, and it goes off into destruction.
(Revelation 11:7) And when they have finished their witnessing, the wild beast that ascends out of the abyss will make war with them and conquer them and kill them.
We know Revelation 11:7 is a process in global action in that world government ascension that ceases that final ministry, and is in progress to complete world government, BEFORE Christ arrives in the Revelation 11:11-12 parallel of that arrival:
(Revelation 11:11-12) And after the three and a half days spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet, and great fear fell upon those beholding them. 12 And they heard a loud voice out of heaven say to them: “Come on up here.” And they went up into heaven in the cloud, and their enemies beheld them.
So in Matthew 24:29, that just precedes Christ arrival, this is a very important marked transition to Christ’s arrival:
(Matthew 24:29-30) 29 “Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 And then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven
The point being, the “tribulation of those days” resolves even before Christ arrives, plainly stated, so it is a signal and transitional period we need to now is marked in other supporting prophecy. (And this is also why Bethel sweeps this scripture under the rug for over a decade, and when they do discuss it, they lump sum it to mean the end of the overall “great tribulation”, which it is NOT.)
(AND something else occurs BEFORE Christ’s “sign” is even seen, the lights of the world system go dark. THAT HAS A GREAT MEANING, that TOO will manifest before event the “sign” of Christ, to anointed, manifests for “the remaining ones of here seed”, fully sealed by carrying out that final “two witnesses” mission, to the 1260 day full, hence Revelation 11:1-7 AS world government is in “ascension” progress.)
Transition to Full World Government
Matthew 24:29 is that important transition into 8th King world government ascension that ALSO precedes Christ’s arrival as covered earlier. The period under full world government, will be FAR MORE DANGEROUS, than the period of the “tribulation of those days” that leads to it, for the 8th King will be in TOTAL global-monopoly at that time. It is the nation-state passing “old world order” system whose “lights” are going dark FIRST. (Of course in the overall picture, Christ darkens all their lights as per Revelation 6:12-17. But that will be an important final progression, come that time, it is not wham bam thank you mam, it is a final process to a final “one hour” which is the short 8th King world government totality)
The point being as per Daniel 8:25 and Daniel 11:44-45 final “stand” and “place palatial tents” (world government) and ATTACK mode parallel to Revelation 11:7, is what fulfills the “four winds” portion, which is the [[final phase]] of the “great tribulation”, hence why Christ mentions the “four winds”, in Matthew 24:31, it is NOT a redundancy, it is a divine cross reference to Revelation 7:1-4. The “four winds” is under full world government, “of the earth”, the “four winds” are not from God, but of human origination, “four winds of the earth”; same place the “two horned wildbeast” comes from:
(Revelation 13:11) And I saw another wild beast ascending out of the earth…
Thus the “four winds” uses established and advanced earthly destructive systems. (Of course it well fits in with the final depopulation agenda all surfacing in alternative media and global research.)
That is the attack phase that ceases the “two witnesses”, BEFORE BTG goes down, as the “two witnesses” are on its “broadway” of the “great city”, so BTG still exists as per Revelation 16:12,19, and Revelation 17:15-18, and Revelation 14:8. So that attack mode, is against the two witnesses, against BTG to aid the salvation of “my people” from that institution, and against all people resisting the 666 as per Revelation 13:15-18; it is the FINAL AGENDA MODE OF SATAN AND THE GLOBALISTS and their “8th King”, it is also Gog of Magog final agenda, final attack mode. IT ALL CONVERGES into that most dangerous ” no flesh would be saved” period under full world government:
(Matthew 24:21-22) for then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again. 22 In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short.
That is not the days of the “tribulation of those days” resolution, because Christ has not even arrived, much less “cut short” that tribulation phase, it resolves for world government. That “cut short” is direct divine intervention AFTER Christ is arrived, that is the days of the “four winds”, under 8th King total global domination, hence why it is so dangerous when nations lose full control over their whole systems, including the military element, and what happens when the 8th King does whatever they want, whenever they want. The “tribulation of those days” leads to that worse period, in full 8th King control and enormous wealth, the whole planet.
SO for the future we need to understand that “tribulation of those days” is the chaos period (in which the temple judgment final warning preparation timing (Dan8:14), and the 1260 day final warning timing expires) to lead to the “new world order” presentation and implementation of that “one hour” (Rev17:12) getting started. It will be a very very important period of the end of the final warning, that also just precedes Christ’s arrival, hence why it was warning of BOTH 8th King world government, and its completion, triggering that Christ arrival, BEFORE that all occurs, when people can use the information for salvation.
Keep in mind what many are now seeing, in spite of all the diverting minutia:
World government and the Messianic Kingdom completions, are the objective of the diametric world government systems, DO NOT LOSE FOCUS ON THAT BIG PICTURE, because that co-completion, enables full Armageddon “war of th great day of God the Almighty”, all entities will be complete, and stated, and ready for final battle.
1. We have a PROPHETIC apostasy active, based at Bethel, that CANNOT just perpetually continue to subvert the ministry. SOMETHING BIG IS COMING UPON THAT APOSTATE SYSTEM FIRST. (1Pet4:17; Matt25:1-13; Matt13:36-42; Dan8:13-14, Rev8:3-5)
That means another temple judgment cycle is gearing up, for the temple first, anointed Christians (1Pet4:17); What Bethel provides is an idol, and a global notable UN NGO “transgression”, associated with anointed Christian ministerial claims, to form the global judgment events upon, in high profile global visibility for future explanation.
It is NOT “the end” that Bethel promotes to aid their concealment by distraction, and to use when that desolating judgment comes, to make it LOOK LIKE, but not actually be “the end” yet. It is right at 2Thessalonians 2:1-2 in principle, it is Bethel’s MAIN DELUSION that MILLIONS of JWs now accept as truth: “brothers, it is simply the end!”.
2. We have an anointed number that will decrease by fall out Bethel corruption will allow. (Matt25:1-13; Matt24:45-51; Matt13:36-42; Matt22:1-14) So there MUST still be more anointings to come when this now successful deception is sacked and exposed properly. That will take time, hence Daniel 8:13-14, which is a temple indictment sentence, and the timing, and the phasing, and the “right condition” temple overall objective.
3. That temple judgment must fully recover the truth, in order to give a valid final warning. Many now see there will be a “two witness” manifestation, in time, to do that final warning. Many do not see it is a “second witness”, of the “two witnesses” overall symbol, that early JWs provide the “first witnessing” of, in that first Kingdom proclamation, now a success, it achieved the goal—it is merely being discredited and reproached by Bethel (as foretold), whose scandals are then publicized on the Web by the external portion of this modern “operation of error”, to GET PEOPLE TO DOUBT ALSO THE FIRST WARNING AS INVALID.
As per 2Thessalonians 2:1-4, that apostasy must be revealed well before the real “end”—and ALSO why God has Paul foretell they use the premature end and Christ arrival DELUSION of 2Thessalonians 2:1-2; VERY IMPORTANT to SEE at Bethel, in their “its the end brothers!, look no further into prophecy”, it is part of “the LIE”. (2Thess2:11-12, Rev2:2)
4. The goal is to try to prevent the 144000 completion anointings and final affirmation sealings. Thus the goal of the enemy now inside of Bethel, is to attempt to abort this final mission, to attempt to deplete the anointed number, and PREVENT the final anointings complete to affirmation “sealing” of Revelation 7:1-4.
Of course they will fail (Dan11:32b; Rev 11:3), BUT they will still try to suspend that complete number, because that completion enables Christ’s arrival, to complete the Messianic Kingdom ALSO enabled by, and requiring, that final sealing. In effect, they are trying to prevent the Messianic Kingdom from completing, by preventing its required supporting 144000 completion. (People may doubt this out there, the globalist “seed of Satan” does not, they KNOW the 144000 is going to be a prerequisite completion requirement)
So in reality, Christ’ Kingdom, the one born in 1914 (Rev12:1-12), but incomplete then and now, must also complete as that Messianic Kingdom of the future, it is the required final divine sovereign agency, all of former human beings, including Christ, and headed by him for God as “son of David”, to fulfill that Kingdom covenant that God made with David (and extended to Christ; Luke 22:28-30; Ps110), for this very purpose, as the God appointed sovereign agency that will wipe out the “8th King”, abyss Satan, and rule planet Earth and this universe for that 1000 year reign. The Messianic Kingdom is final completion, and the direct final device appointed to rule this planet.
Thus its completion is the “second witnessing” “good news” proclamation to complete the summary of Revelation 10:5-11, BEFORE it all comes, BOTH witnessings, of the “two witnesses” concern a MAJOR Kingdom event, this one coming up, is Messianic Kingdom COMPLETION NEWS! Thus it is since 194, in perfect harmony with the 1914 God’s Kingdom proclamation of Christ’s anointing and placement in that Kingdom of God FIRST, to oversee this completion coming up. (Rev4-5)
Note on Seven Seals
(That is when those “seven seals”, a “seal” prophecy of prophecies within all those seals, a nested total prophecy overview, which was given to Christ in FULL understanding, just how the post 1914 Messianic Kingdom maturation and completion would unfold, as God fully understood then, and now, and now so does the Lamb understand it all. Those seals did open in 1914, ONCE, in “the Lamb’s” understanding, BUT it is a TWO SIDED scroll, so it has first and final applicability to this final phase completion of it all.
And as we see, to see this nesting, the seventh seal, contains all seven trumpets, the “seventh seal”, [contains the prophecy] which explains the whole thing (Rev8:1), as those seven trumpets go forth in final form, in the future. The “seven seals” already opened (it fulfilled already, for Christ’s full understanding of that whole summary, all the completions), the “seven” are sealed “divine secrets” (the biggest ones of HOW it gets done by Christ, fro God) that are now in Christ’s [open understanding] of the whole thing, given to Christ by God, to carry it all out since 1914, and that includes this final phase coming up, that completes it ALL.
In TRUTH, Christ has indeed been in God’s Kingdom, to oversee the completion of the Messianic Kingdom, as the end of this whole hundred year plus, process—WHILE the 8th King system, in WW1 cycle, also BEGAN their own completion process—the WHOLE PARALLEL process, makes complete sense, as will the convergence to Armageddon, as BOTH complete their objectives at roughly ALSO the same time, JUST LIKE they BOTH began, at roughly the exact same time.)
The Kingdom Christ “hands back” to God, is God’s Kingdom, the one that has pre-existed, in which Kingdom, by divine anointing and allowance, Christ now rules in, to oversee this whole process, as marked in prophecy and global events, since 1914. THAT is all true, DO NOT buy into the 1914 discrediting that develops along with the Bethel apostasy giving it hypocritical fuel and reproach. (They discredit the first cycle, because it is the basis for the final cycle.)
5. BEFORE THAT COMPLETES, IN THAT 144000 AND MESSIANIC KINGDOM REQUIREMENT, THE 8TH KING WILL ALSO COMPLETE WORLD GOVERNMENT FIRST. THAT IS THE TRIGGER OF IT ALL, AS FAR AS DIVINE SOVEREIGN RESPONSE, that will come when Christ arrives to first complete his first mission, 144000 remnant gathering and placement, and earth sheep securement, in that 8th King face as Psalm 110:2, in final very real form, THEN all hell will break loose on the 8th King. (rEV19:19-21) THAT is why the winepress, and the goat judgment, are all at the VERY END of their respective final sequences in Revelation 14:14-20, and Matthew 24:31-46.
6. That is why Christ completes his own ministry (Matt10:23), and why Revelation 14 is a solid post-Christ arrival final sequence outline, and why people can be saved all the while, all the way to the winepress (Rev14:14-16 “harvest of the earth” “sheep”), it is ALL OPEN SALVATION to the very very end. Of course it would sure be nice to tell people fully, of that guarantee. (And it can be PROVEN, that is in the Daniel 12:11 timed period when that climax finalizes)
And this is why we do not need to get stuck on partial minutia here and there, as many anointed are now doing, confused and wondering, because these bigger events, are milestones that will complete along the way, so things will all fall into place as the final warning forms, and as it progresses to world government, as that “tribulation of those days” period must transition to resolution, as well at Matthew 24:29-31, BEFORE Christ arrives.
(Do not get overwhelmed by all this, keep on it, it will gel, because it is not that difficult to tie in a few prophecies, AND the YEARS it takes to unwind this will help, because we will SEE it unfolding, live and real-time, and that is why this final period, though breif overall, unfolds to the full, so others can start to also see it, month over month, it is all ALREADY in the first cycle prophecy, with unique events aligning in Daniel 11:41-45, and Daniel 8:13-14, to help us update it in its final form, coming up.)
Thus we will have the temple judgment, and the recovery at the start of that “tribulation of those days”, and a final warning that comes forth in it, to warn of that arrival at Matthew 24:30-31, leading into also world government, well BEFORE it occurs, so big milestones, will clarify this over these YEARS. It can also be proven, Babylon the Great goes down under world government, NOT to start it all as per the Bethel subterfuge, they use BTG delusion, to confuse the meaning of their own downfall in that Daniel 8:13 “trampling”.
Bethel is what is sacked first as per 1Peter 4:17. Of course that is the first big milestone, and as per Daniel 8:13-14, it takes time to unwind fully, “the evening” darkness, to “the morning” light, as per Daniel 8:26, “it is true”.
That is why we need to keep in mind some of the bigger picture features, like world government, that must complete, and before it does, it will give great global indication of fully revealed intent of that goal as it “ascends”. The enemy objective of the start of this final cycle, is to try to bamboozle and bewilder everyone, especially anointed and JWs, AS IT BEGINS, AND FOR A FEW YEARS IN THAT START PERIOD OF GLOBAL CONFUSION AS THAT FINAL CYCLE STARTS.
(Zechariah 13:7) “O sword, awake against my shepherd, even against the able-bodied man who is my associate,” is the utterance of Jehovah of armies. “Strike the shepherd, and let those of the flock be scattered; and I shall certainly turn my hand back upon those who are insignificant.”
Though anointed are scattered and confused now, that above will manifest fully (Dan8:11, Dan11:41), we are just feeling the spiritual effects now of the Bethel apostasy.
So, ALL OF THESE PRINCIPLES, apostasy, 8th King formulaic development, temple judgment, purification, final warning, world government, Christ arrival, ARE ALL PREVIEWED IN THE FIRST JW MINISTERIAL PHASE; for a reason: it all manifests in fullest form in the future. And as before, rogue APOSTASY IN THE LEADERSHIP AFFECTING THE WHOLE MINISTRY AND MANY CHRISTIANS, is manifesting FIRST, tight now, even now this final phase has begun in low profile manner, which the temple judgment will ratchet up to global notability. THAN it all but BEGINS, and runs all the course, and all the former principles are revisited in final culminating form.
I think this is important; especially the part about WT’s scary warning that the sheeple had better do whatever they say when the chips are down regardless if it makes sense or not. (Jimmy Jones’ Koolade)
Yes, that is CHILLING, this is NOT a joke what is now INSIDE Bethel as per Daniel 8:12, Daniel 11:32a, and Daniel 11:41. And as in the above scattering, there are also spiritual meaning of things now INSIDE of Bethel, that will also become fully manifested in “son of destruction” betrayal and attack developments to fully fulfill those prophecies on Bethel, their target, and if they have done all this, they also intend a final coup phase as well, hence Daniel 8:13 “trampling” God will allow up to a timed point of that desolation for that UN NGO “transgression causing desolation”, and this time coming, will be that required desolation.
So please consider, the principle of apostasy and “constant feature” removal, and “entry into the Decoration”, that is now present at Bethel, WILL also have far more severe manifestations of those developments in the near future. Thus though Daniel 8:11 is now present in principle, INSIDE of Bethel, it must get fully pronounced:
(Daniel 8:11a) And all the way to the Prince of the army it put on great airs, and from him the constant [feature] was taken away,
See, that “constant feature” is even now “taken away”, it is NOT acceptable to God with that UN NGO lacing and disinformation on King North/8th King, now in the Bethel lying “constant feature”. BUT, that will get fully truly removed, as Daniel 8:13 parallel, in the future.
(Daniel 8:11b)… and the established place (Bethel JW worldwide organization) of his sanctuary was thrown down.
The “established place” is the “fortress” parallel here:
(Daniel 11:30-31) … and they (collusion) will actually profane the sanctuary, the fortress, and remove the constant [feature].
The point is they are inside already profaning the whole thing, and these things progress undercover for a while like this, but they must have a climax meaning when they really move on Bethel in the future. It will all get fully manifested, and that marks Daniel 8:14, so we can mark our calendar by a major Bethel event, even one where they cancel the “constant feature” by their own mouth. We have to pay attention to the Bethel hit, that will define, the start of Daniel 8:13.
Now because I am very experienced in JW prophetic “theology”, I know why they are refusing to actually update 1958’s Daniel 8:11-14, 23-26, and Daniel 11:27-45 interpretations, which the USSR fall and the Cold War resolution for a THIRD UN presentation of 1990 MAKE ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY.
1. They do not want to continue to expose the UN developments to CONTINUE the first two UN presentation of 1919, and 1945, all in prophecy, to that crucial 1990 THIRD UN manifestation, also in prophecy, and to its, what would then be, logical 4th UN event conclusion.
2. They do not want to admit they are the co-developing apostasy in those same prophecies concurrent. Because to explain Daniel 8:11-12,23a, and Daniel 11:30-32a properly, they NEED to expose themselves as the apostate subversion (Dan8:12, Dan11:30-32), that aided that 3rd UN placement as UN NGO (Dan11:31b), and they will of course not do this, as along as they have the JW ministry in their stranglehold.
3. They do not want to call attention to the true severity of the UN NGO, the greatest sin to ever emerge at Bethel, of ALL TIME, thus the “transgression causing desolation”, the desolation on Bethel, the “trampling” REQUIREMENT in Daniel 8:13,they want to conceal, with a fully dated and impossible “interpretation” from 1958.
(And they KNOW they get that “trampling” judgment, so they want to make it look like “the end”, and “attack of Gog and King North”, however they may actually sell it to JWs “at that time”.)
OBVIOUSLY a whole lot has occurred since 1958 in the world and prophecy and at now apostatized Bethel, which NEEDS to be fully exposed, and it will take God to do just that, in time.