August 2016

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Hey buddy:…………………why didnt the disciples preach Jehovah……….instead of Jesus……why did paul say:1 cor 2:2For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.
why wasnt jehovah mentioned?……….because he honered the son even as he honored the seen jesus you seen the father.

so the gb is sheep in wolves clothing?
what cover up is this[/QUOTE]

They COVER UP United Nations 3rd UN “place the disgusting thing prophecy” in 1990 to place their own UN NGO “disgusting thing” among JWs. (Matt24:15) Then they dumb down JWs sothey don’t notice.

Below is the UN1-2-3-4 prophecy sequence to Christ arrival [1].

The GB came in 1976, they are an externally placed JW override subversion foretold in this same 3rd UN event period of 1990 in Daniel 11:30b-32a, and Daniel 8:11-12. Their goal is to BREAK the UN 1-2-3 CONTINUUM to UN1-2-3-4(world government), so JWs and no one else figures out the UN1-2-3-4 is required, where UN-4 is world government of the future several years from now. (Rev17:8-13; Dan11:44-45; Dan8:25)

To do this Bethel has covered up modern globalization, their apostasy in that 3rd UN context in Daniel 8 and 11.

Prophecy of the final indications of the Christ arrival SIGNALS IN STEPS will tell you something you will see get more obvious in the next 15 years or so, and that is this:

(8th King/King North) World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3; Dan12:11), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

This next world war HEALS into world government. (Rev13:3; Isa41:1)


So the GB purpose is to CUTOFF that 3rd UN from the UN1-2-3, as JWs already exposed UN1-2 in 1919 League of Nations and 1945 United Nations which forms the international EXECUTIVE BRANCH [part] of world government in that UN “image of the wild beast”.

Rather than be at Daniel 11:44 as Bethel misleads JWs to sell them a HOAX “the end of the world”, we are at Daniel 11:41 and it will get every severe for the apostate JW org as Daniel 8:13-14 global liquidation attempt of the JW org in the near future for several timed years of Daniel 8:14.

So the GB is setting up the JW org downfall and planning to sell it to JWs as “it’s the end of the world brothers! look no further!” as 2Thess2:1-2.

Cutting off UN “New World Order” mode of 1990 after the Cold War from prophecy thus truncates this final sequence from UN3 to UN4 as world government:

Four 8th King UN Cycles to World Government – 1919-Future

UN 1. 1919 – Rev13:11-15 (Dan12:11 first fulfillment) as League of Nations after WW1;

A. International Bible Students Association (IBSA) explained as prophecy;

UN 2. 1945 – Rev17:8-11 as United Nations after WW2;

A. Jehovah’s Witnesses (JW) explained as prophecy;

Unknown and unstated by UN NGO allied Bethel and Jehovah’s witnesses:

This portion is now beign actively CONCEALED (Dan8:12b) by Bethel GB:

UN 3. 1990 – Daniel 11:31b as United Nations “New World Order” Initiative after WW3 (Cold War) (Dan11:29);

A. Covered up by Bethel as UN NGO, not explained as prophecy by any religious group;

[We are Here…]

UN 4. Future – Daniel 11:45; Daniel 8:25; (Daniel 12:11 last fulfillment) as United Nations and World Government after 4th world tribulation/war cycle to come.

A. Not currently explained by Bethel in lieu of a premature “end of the world” deception. (2Thess2:1-2)

B. To be explained after the JW temple judgment desolation, purification and removal of lawless Bethel engineered subversion (2Thess2:1-4; Dan11:30-31; Dan8:11-13);

All the rest of the theological and WTBTS scandal controversies which Bethel makes worse, is just part of the overall distraction.


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Hey buddy:…………………why didnt the disciples preach Jehovah……….instead of Jesus……why did paul say:1 cor 2:2For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.

At this time I stick to what Christians can agree on, as you know Christians are very divided and and under an attack that they do not preceive, Bethel is just part of the Christendom overall corporate subversion process.

Jesus Goal is “Let you Kingdom come”, and once they complete world government in the rival global system, Christ will come in with God’s Kingdom, and every Christian should be able to stay on that page.

I no longer argue much theology of the past, I now expose the GB-Bethel FINAL SIGNAL APOSTASY, because when JW org goes down as Daniel 8:13-14, which is timed so you can prove it to yourself, WORLD GOVERNMENT is what must come BEFORE the Christ arrival.

They want to bankrupt JWs, destroy the JW org, and cancel the JW ministry into a “hard-hitting judgment message” (WY7/15/15) “bad news” message from GB and JWs own mouth to hope to destroy the location where the final warning needs to be UPDATED to be given, AGAIN, as per Rev10:11.

The GB goal is to help King North try to DESTROY the JW ministry (Dan11:41) BEFORE world government ramifications to trigger the Christ arrival is warned about with the hopes JWs will be done. (They won’t stay “done”; Rev10:5-8; Rev11:2-3; Dan11:32b; Eze37)

It’s going to be HUGE when JW org goes down. You can watch it on CNN. It will be the Isaiah 28 VERY STRANGE GLOBAL SIGNAL of more to come.


[QUOTE who=”Tony Price 77″]<quoted text>

Anything about what?[/QUOTE]

Exactly. You don’t even know what you are trying to “explain”.

[QUOTE who=”Tony Price 77″]<quoted text>

Well, not by someone like you who is basically demonstrating that he just didn’t like what I had to say(and really couldn’t refute it.)


I don’t have personal emotional “like/dislike” reactions, I just go with what is logical and the realm of what FAITH means, and you just don’t have very solid arguments is all I am saying. Your logic is inflexible and one dimensional with the preconceived goal to support your own theories and speculations.

The truth is, at the least, there is just as much chance you are wrong as there is you are correct. You still think mere men can outsmart God and define his non-existence, but you got another thing coming entirely.

It’s called emptiness Tony. I don’t take pleasure in one digging the hole of his own emptiness. Happy are those CONSCIOUS of their spiritual NEED. Emptiness will not inspire any true happiness with life, just the downhill rollercoaster of a few joys and thrills some try to call true happiness, but that is just an overall spiritual downward spiral to dust.

Look around you, see any empty people? Well turn on the TV, there are plenty there filling that emptiness with more vanities. It’ll never work. I just call empty for what it is not what it is trying to claim to be.


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God has never said in scripture that he becomes your God and you his people by joining an organization

Go look it up and see if you can find such a lie

Heb 8 [10] Jehovah says he becomes our God and we his people through the new covenant

Now I have shown you scripture, where God promises to be our God and we his people .

.see if you can back up your lie with scripture

The second and final witnessing will STRESS the Open Salvation potential of Revelation 14:6-8 so that “all sorts of men may be saved” BEFORE the arrival of world government and then Christ.

So JWs will be just as able to take that offer as ANYONE else too, and ANYONE else can also comprehend and take advantage of that final offer backed by angels of Christ because Christ completes his own ministry first, WHEN he arrives. (Matt10:23)

In the meantime, JWs are on a mighty high horse, and though they have taught others in detail the humiliations shovelled upon Israel and Christendom come their judgments, they feel above a final temple judgment requirement to serve up humble pie by way of great humiliation. It is ALL in Isaiah 42-44 in great detail.

Almost the whole book of Isaiah is a Hosea parallel of the WHOLE temple judgment-to-recovery-to-final-warning now to come upon the high falutin’ JWs and their ignominious UN NGO packing GB.

So as per Isaiah 28, God has to now make a good example of Jehovah’s witnesses. In this manner upon an undeniably enormous and timed JW judgment (1Pet4:17; Dan8:13-14) there shall be a first trumpet MILESTONE and BENCHMARK because the Rev8:2-7 first trumpet is the temple judgment parallel of Revelation.

By smacking JWs but good, God will draw global attention to the locale, minus the fried GB, that the FINAL UPDATE MUST EMERGE from as Revelation 9 is then the concentration of the Bethel apostasy exposure. Locusts are not deadly and are ALWAYS from God as a “plague” backing sign that portend more to come as in Egypt.

The recovery of JWs to come from this desolation will be FINAL FULFILLMENT Revelation 9 by the time it emerges from the globally seen “smoke” of the TEMPLE JUDGMENT, for it takes the Daniel 8:13-14 “the evening” phase YEARS, 3.19 MINIMUM, to even get JWs into the “light” of that “abyss” opening and the Daniel 8:13-14 “the morning” phase as per Daniel 8:26.

JWs must become our first final cycle emergent SIGN in this judgment, and the rest of ensuing years will see the recovery to the fianl warning as all seven trumpets and plagues will go in order, to world government and seventh plague, late 6th trumpet parallel, Christ arrival.

JWs will form the epicenter of the final cycle STUPENDOUS events to center on the desolation of the JW organization for the UN NGO sins, to form a visible event to be tied to JWs and anointed Christian thoroughly later.

ITIS GOING TO BE HUGE OF “BIBLICAL PROPORTIONS” AND OF “PROPHETIC PROPORTIONS” in the Daniel 11:41-43 context, which, as you will see soon, Bethel will try to sell to JWs as they are now, as Daniel 11:44 PREMATURELY as the “smokescreen” deception of 2Thess2:1-2.

JWs will now be used to be disciplined by God,and to be made a gloabl spectacle to keep focus on the location of the recovery (Eze37; Rev9) and the FINAL WARNING AND OPEN SALVATION OFFER that will emerge from that temporary but massive TEMPLE JUDGMENT, timed for verification as Daniel 8:13-14. (Matt24:15; Zech3:1-9)

As per the idol maker who eats food from the same wood used to make his idol in Isaiah 42-44, th JW org has provided spiritual food for many, BUT has now become a GB and JW Org idol as well.

Read Isaiah 42-44 it has EVERYTHING coming in this temple judgment and why, and the hope of guaranteed future recovery. (Dan11:32b)


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No… I don’t even know what *you’re* trying to explain.

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So are you saying that I need to be filled with all of the foolishness that you call “knowledge”… and which usually puts most people at this forum asleep?

And if so… no thanks. I think that I’d rather be empty.

P.S. Also, have you gotten any thoughts on how to convince me that snakes won’t be dangerous and will not eat prey for food in the coming paradise as requested in another thread?


Dude can you not look at science to also know that men have far more they know not than what they think they do know? What do you think this is some simpleton planet in a simple universe and material reality?

OF COURSE, there will be MANY things men will never empirically be able to prove, for they lack the basic divine actual vocabulary and the math don’t work when the quantum and relative overlap. It breaks down.

What man thinks they know is not the tip of the iceberg, it is a quark in a H atom in a H20 molecule in a flake on that tip, and even 2/3’s of it is WRONG, maybe worse.

They way you know it is wrong is in the problems with Einstein quantum and relativity “harmony”, it has broken down. SOMETHING they do not yet understand about that whole is WRONG. If it was correct the mathematical harmony would be there between the quantum and the relative.

All “super string theory” is is an emergency band-aid to try to fix the blown off head of Einsteinian quantum supa-foopahs. It means it is almost time to literally “start over”, it is that far off.

And starting over is one of Christ’s first missions. It is the only way, with the right vocabulary as well to begin with. (Zeph3:9)

Now if the basic basic basics are wrong, so is everything else of course.


[QUOTE who=”Newtonian”]Bethel judgment – You made a number of errors in your post 512 – I will point out just a few of them – you posted:

Sins of omission, JWs do nto expose the 1990 3rd UN event as prophecy of Daniel 11:31b and Daniel 8:23. Instead, they went UN NGO with the GB, wildbeast ties present now.

So pointing out these recent sins is HUGE FAULTS, not little nit picks. It si why the Daniel 8:13-14 temple judgment must now come.

“God people are remaining loyal to the JW org, not to God anymore. It is Isaiah 42-44 time now.


1. The United Nations in 1990 did not fulfill the prophecies you specify – these prophecies were already fulfilled much earlier

Daniel 11:31 – The King of the North did profane the sanctuary and remove the constant feature in its lands – first the Nazi regime and then later when Russia became the King of the North.

The disgusting thing that causes desolation is the United Nations, formerly the League of Nations – which was put in place this second time as also foretold in Revelation 17:8,11.

Of course, it was not just the King of the North that did this, as per the prophecies in Revelation.

The constant feature, the preaching work, was NOT removed in 1990.

2. Daniel 8:23 is referring to the King of the South – the 7th head of the wildbeast = the anglo-American World Power.

3. Our appealing to the U.N. for human rights (especially religious freedom) is a good thing – which you choose to say is a bad thing.

Shame on you! Do you feel similarly about other humanitarian NGO’s (= non-governmental organizations) which similarly appeal to the UN for human rights?

4. Daniel 8:13,14 has nothing to do with appealing to the UN for human rights by any NGO (non-governmental organization) including Jehovah’s Witnesses.

Verse 14 is talking about the 2300 days during World War II (compare the 1260 days during World War I) – nothing to do with 1990!

To repeat, the removal of the constant feature was the sacrifice of praise, fruit of lips, referred to in Hebrews 13:15 – or simply the preaching work (Matthew 24:14).

The removal of the constant feature did NOT happen in 1990 – rather it was during World War I (1260 days) and World War II (2300 days)/

5. You have totally misrepresented out Remain Loyal convention by claiming our loyalty is to Jehovah’s organization – not to Jehovah!

For example, in the dedication/baptism talk the speaker made clear their dedication was not to any man or group of men – but to Jehovah!

So why do you twist the facts to present what is opposite to the truth?[/QUOTE]

All you have listed here is the diversion the KN-UN-GB uses to “throw truth to the earth” (Dan8:12b) by following you and other JWs. If you think real anointed sit around as world prophecy goes by uncommented on by the JW apostasy of Daniel 11:32a, you got another thing coming soon. (The real Daniel 8:13-14)

There is a final temple judgment cycle to get JWs back into the “right condition”, to expose the GB apostasy and UN alliances, and it leads to the “second witnessing” of the final warning of the “TWO witnesses” to fully update what has been covered up, and to expose UN4.0 as world government to trigger the Christ arrival BEFORE it arrives.

In that process God will require and allow the Daniel 8:13 “trampling” of the JW org soon, it isto be timed exactly and phased as Daniel 8:26, so JWs will not be able to then live in denial any longer, the GB shall be removed permanently and then fully exposed for the apostasy leaders they are.

JWs are now in the WRONG condition. You have been served the indictment, now comes the JW org centered mega-judgment of God for the “transgression causing desolation” to the JW org soon, as the UN NGO havey transgression we are speaking of now.

“The end” will not arrive as soon as JWs have been misled to expect too soon as per 2Thess2:1-2.


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I think the past though shows the character and track record…I think its important[/QUOTE]

Yes it is the LAWLESSNESS that proves the GB is the “man of lawlessness” that has fully hijacked the JW ministry since 1976.

But if one does not see this is a major signal prophecy active in the JW apostasy, then it stumbles people, but the further they are from the JW org when the SHTF the better. (Matt24:15)

These scandals and JW lawlessness policies of the GB are NOT to be ignored, you are correct, it is shameful and criminal it is nto just heavy sins against God, Christ, JWs, men and all Christians and the whole world, it is also CRIMINAL activity as defined by “Caesar”.

“Global Caesar” shall be used to render the desolation of the JW org soon, it will be Daniel 8:13-14, just jot it down.

This si why the lawless GB has JWs expecting “the end” way way way too soon (2Thess2:1-2), it is part of the smokescreen, they KNOW the globalists plan to try to destroy the JW org, and they HAVE BEEN in on it too. (Dan11:32a)

What JWs are covering up is about to go GLOBAL VOLCANIC as the JW Org SH#TBOMB time bomb it actually is, it is a major final SIGNAL APOSTASY prophecy we are seeing in initial apostate stage of fulfilment led by the GB rogues.

The JW org attack “trampling” of Daniel 8:13 is going to be OFF THE CHARTS HUGE, AND RIGHT ON CNN, SO NO ONE WILL MISS IT, because as big as it is, the global context to lead to or be in world war, will be even BIGGER! (Dan11:41-43)

It is the “invasion” of Daniel 11:41.

Now mark these words, Bethel will sell ti all to JWs AS IF Daniel 11:44 way way too soon! It is just a diversion decoy for a custom made “JW self-fulfilling prophecy” “The End” HOAX HOAX HOAX!!!!

It WILL be HUGE, but ti will NOT be the end. (Rev13:3; Isa41:1)


[QUOTE who=”Newtonian”]Bethel judgment – You made a number of errors in your post 512 – I will point out just a few of them – you posted:

Sins of omission, JWs do nto expose the 1990 3rd UN event as prophecy of Daniel 11:31b and Daniel 8:23. Instead, they went UN NGO with the GB, wildbeast ties present now.

So pointing out these recent sins is HUGE FAULTS, not little nit picks. It si why the Daniel 8:13-14 temple judgment must now come.

“God people are remaining loyal to the JW org, not to God anymore. It is Isaiah 42-44 time now.


The removal of the constant feature did NOT happen in 1990 – rather it was during World War I (1260 days) and World War II (2300 days)/

So why do you twist the facts to present what is opposite to the truth?[/QUOTE]

The constant feature will be removed soon for 2300 “evenings and mornings”, the evening will be muted JWs, the constant has been polluted by UN lacings. (Zech3:1-3; Dan11:30b-31a)

1990 marks the Bethel apostasy and UN allied cover up, while they silenced Fred Franz.

You are the one engaged in a cover up, but JW org judgment will in time possibly wake you.

King Fierce, King North, 8th King, Daniel 2 Image, Rev13, Rev17 “scarlet wildbeast” and Daniel 7 “4th beast” ALL fulfill as ONE entity in the end:


All prophecy converges to the same point eventually.

JWs are covering up these truths by GB “actign wickedly AGAINST the holy covenant” having “left the holy covenant” for a UN NGO covenant instead. (Dan11:30-32)

All that while concealing that UN 3.0 1990 is the prophecy they are hiding at Daniel 11:31b, and Daniel 8:23;

It is all about 8th King/Kin North WORLD GOVERNMENT final cycle coming up for about 10-15 more years, plus minus.

JWs have been misled and subverted from “in the temple”, from within by the GB liars of Revelation 2:2and 2Thess2:1-2.


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Better then multi billions that is going in the Wtbts pockets… there slaves slave away[/QUOTE]

The uniquely motivated JW slave labor and expertise pool is how JWs are probably the most lucrative racket that has ever been morphed from a ministry funded by the original founder as far as human terms.

When you got a ton of JWs who work and give like they are slaving for and giving to God, then the work and money pours in.

Then Bethel, as smart as they are about money, sock it into hard real-estate, new real-estate and stocks, bonds, derivatives and traditional banks.

This is how 1 JW dollar going in, is turned to 10 JW dollars as it is invested by what is now a real-estate mogul organization. Now it is safe to say the WTBTS real-estate projects are the biggest “money maker”, as shown they just dumped a billion in NY real-estate since about 2008.

This is because, unlike other companies, this real-estate is made by JWs at pennies on the dollar, aided by architects, engineers and lawyers all in on the “donate your services” end of this massive racket.

By now we are talking easily 30 billion since 1980 being grown from 10 billion base JW investment because the development “fees” are virtually non-existent. (Unless WTBTS hires private contractors like they did for the prison conversions now being completed at Wallkill Bethel to probably be one of the JW FEMA camps or something King North GLOBALIST related and controlled.

That is what will really suck for JWs, they will have to actually watch King North take all the loot and real estate booty.

Of course such a “strange deed” from God will generate a lot of global-attention in time. (Isa28:21)


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i was asking why did the believers preach Jehovah…….but Jesus and him crucified[/QUOTE]

Well Yahweh is who sent Yehsuatodojust that, Jesus did not send himself on that “now it has been accomplished” mission.

God Almighty is Christ’s main priority. But the will and purpose is the same.

I am pointing out Bethel’s MODERN apostasy, not that far older one of Christendom which si worse of than JWs at this point, as badly gone as JWs have drifted.

What is coming on Bethel soon is what will need an explanation, it will be horrific because God don’t take kindly to having his name sauteed in the UN NGO sewers of Bethel.

Since all we see this, I just tell you and others what the JW UN NGO based apostasy shall soon result in:

The desolation and attempted global liquidation of the JW org at global scale.

And that while JWs will be toting their “bad news” “hard hitting judgment message” around as per WT 7/15./15 to eventually become a LAUGHING STOCK.

JWs will be laughed at because “the end” is not yet, just the end of the Bethel based apostasy is all that shall END.

EXPOSING this JW “The End” HOAX and MODERN false-prophecy that goes along with it is my priority because soon Bethel will hit the fan, it ain’t going to be pretty, but it will be on CNN.

EVERYONE is going to see this desolation of the JW org. (Dan8:13-14; Isa28) JWs are in a bad condition spiritually, far worse as UN NGO than they realize at this time.

JWs will be the ones in the deepest denial for quite some time. (Dan8:14; Hos6:1-3)


[QUOTE who=”Newtonian”]

As I posted, the 1260 days were during WWI and the 2300 days were during WWII – the constant feature was removed then.


There is no problem with the 1914-1918 1260 days the “constant feature” was removed and restored.

However with the recently “adjusted” 2300 days which differs from the 1958 version, there is a problem because there was no removal of the constant.

This is because those 2300 “evenings and mornings” or to “trample” the MODERN UN allied JW ministry, army, constant and JW org “established place” as per Daniel 8:11.

It STARTS (1Pet4:17) to fulfill in the near future as per WT 7/15/15 smoke-screened expectation of the JW org attack and siege “soon, very soon”. Even Bethel is telling JWs the constant shall be canceled by their own mouth.

However they do not tell JWs it is really Daniel 8:13-14, it is the delusion of premature “end” of 2Thess2:1-2 being carried out by the GB “man of lawlessness” MODERN signal of apostasy. (Dan11:32a)

In time you will see JW org go down (Dan11:41), but it won’t be for “the end”, it is the temple judgment final inspection and discipline of Isaiah 42-44.


[QUOTE who=”NorthPeace”]So after all this banter, I would like to know how many JW here will admit that “remaining loyal to Jehovah” actually MEANS remaining LOYAL to the WTS “organization”?

Over it’s history, the WT has told it’s followers things GOD required of them to accept…

I have a late uncle that spent time in an “internment camp” because of refusal to enlist in Canada’s military. HAD HE BEEN BORN a generation or so later, it would have been OK to accept “non-combative” military service….

So I ask – and I’m not the only one here who had a JW relative that served time over the military issue – were they serving time because it was necessary in order to remain loyal to God, or were they doing it because the WT said this was God’s viewpoint? Because, any one of them, if they would’ve had the option of non-combative or “alternate” service as is the case today, could have AVOIDED JAIL.

That is just one real-life example of negative consequences that can result from being led to believe one’s “spiritual” leaders SPEAK FOR GOD. There are other examples where JW needlessly had to endure negative consequences…
Before it was OK to accept blood “fractions”
Before it was OK to accept organ transplants
All because they believed this was necessary to “Remain Loyal To Jehovah”

For a century, the Society has cultivated this concept. They now have several millions of members who believe that WHATEVER viewpoint the WT presents – is GOD’S VIEWPOINT. It’s basic JW 101.

Accepting what the WT says is the ONLY way to show one is “Remaining to Jehovah”, which is the BOTTOM LINE and the WHOLE POINT of this summer’s convention theme for JWs.


IF Jehovah’s witnesses were “ACTUALLY OBEYING God rather than men” of what is just a “board of directors” of a usurping cabal takeover from 1976, then we would NOT have this forum thread FILLED with JW GB SCANDAL record of “rotten fruitage” now would we?

The GB trick is to claim the exact opposite of the garbage men works they are actually doing and then to “smooth words” cloak (Dan11:32a) their plagiarized words in the works from days long before this “board of directors” coup of loafers from 1976. They ACT like they did it all, they take credit when they couldn’t prophesy themselves out of a paper bag in reality, they are actors and fakes for a multibillion-dollar payoff.

The GB are FAKES AND FRAUDS, their fruitage stinks and piles to high heaven, and everyone BUT JWs are catching on to their scam is what it is, but it will take a far more severe disastrous turn in the near future (Dan8:13-14), FAR WORSE, and it will include a peak in the stumbling, half of JWEs will be stumbled.

The GB is a cursed curse, a JWs worst enemy, the enemy of all mankind and especially little children as they sacrifice them in modern Pedophile Hinnom to the GB Molech head molestor protectors, shepherds of rapist wolves.

The only thing that has walked this earth worth than the GB is Satan and the demons and the Pharisees.

JWs should be running them out on hot rails, but instead they are bended knee to the new golden calf.


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The book ends when all of Satans followers including all Jw’s have been converted to Christianity or have died. Michael was Lucifers brother and certainly was not Jesus. Jesus is the Son of God, you can believe different, but not be a Christian if you do.


To set your record straight I consider modern JWs to be GB misled apostates in general, Daniel 11:32a in specific, Zech3:1-3 in general again. To be true apostates, JWs have had to be the closest thing to 1st century real Christainity there has been since that time. The “Christianity” you are selling is Catholic GMO theology so old now you mistakenly think those lies are some how “Christian”.

The problem with JWs is the GB since 1976, so I don’t toss a good thing with the bad, I don’t chuck the baby with the bathwater. The GB will be destroyed at the 3.19 year point of Daniel 8:14, and you will hear of it as well.

Witches and warlocks teach that Satan and Christ were brothers, Michael etc, blah, blah, “Satan was number 3” bull, and so on, so it has no meaning, all angels (NOT demons any longer) are brothers to each other. Many angels besides Michael can clean Satan’s clock, he is overrated by his own lying story tellers to be repeated into modern myths such as you are telling.

JW org is going down, it will be on CNN, it is the first trumpet of the final Revelation cycle (Rev8:2-7), and it will be timed in Daniel 8:13-14. It is just the temple judgment START (1Pet4:17) of the final cycle to world government which triggers the Christ arrival. (in about 15-18 years, +/-)

BUT JWs will be told it is “the end” as the smokescreen so they buy the desolation of the JW org at global scale as long as possible by such a GB fronted “doomsday” “Armageddon” HOAX. (2Thess2:1-2)


[QUOTE who=”NorthPeace”]So after all this banter, I would like to know how many JW here will admit that “remaining loyal to Jehovah” actually MEANS remaining LOYAL to the WTS “organization”?

Over it’s history, the WT has told it’s followers things GOD required of them to accept…



It is not so simple. As with the case of Christendom’s clergy led devolution cycles it is so old many people think THAT travesty is “Christianity” and the “way of the truth is spoken of abusively” as a result. JWs have a similar subversion now 40 years in progress in the JW org.

Thus part of the microcosm is that JWs did clarify the main Christendom proof of apostasy: They joined the League of Nations endorsement squad, while IGNORING everything Russell and Rutherford were pointing out as to the meaning of this great epic pivot point in world history and the sovereign intent of God’s Kingdom was still to be an issue regardless of what Christendom went silent on and joined the UN-to-be to show who they supported.

Now with JWs most have forgotten THAT is what we [used to be doing] here, exposing the “gentile times” as ALSO marked by clear “gentile” prophecy developments and events that did indeed result in a sovereign statement of future intent by that League of Nations (Rev13:11-15; Dan12:11 (first round)), as God’s Kingdom was making its own global statement of Kingdom intent AT THE SAME TIME!

JWs have forgotten all this as one can see with that “no comment” on that 1990 3rd UN event manifestation of 1990, which as with the previous two UN-events before it (1919,1945), is OF COURSE a major prophecy and further step of the UN towards their world government intent stated since the League was presented after WW1.

We merely had a “Cold” [world] War unique “world war” cycle that threw many off of the meaning of that 3rd UN 1990 event which ALSO follow that cold war resolution (1989-1990) as the UN also did after WW2 (1945) resolved as did the League with that 1918-1919 WW1 resolved. So we have a UN 1-2-3 pattern that uses a world war “problem” to then resolve into their UN peace pitch and world government “solution”. (World government is the FUTURE UN 4, a UN1-2-3-4 overall, that triggers Christ arrival, btw)

But please note the Cold War uniqueness did NOT throw God off to note that kind of “in the last” difference at Daniel 11:29. The Global War on Terror is even a unique world war type of mini-cycle in a larger one forming, so the Cold War marks a unique kind of world war cycle, but it still resulted in a UN prophecy and presentation; (make no mistake, it is a “world-war-to-world-government” formulaic global-cycle).


Now lets compare the modern JW predicament and that of Christendom before this.

Similar to Christendom, but far faster in devolution length, the 40 year backdrop of the modern JW life has become that so-called “Governing Body” development which arose as a term in print in 1944,but took a few decades to be applied to the “board of directors” in 1971-1976.

Now, most JWs, like church goers, just think their own “clergy” was always like this all the way back to the 1st century. (But, it was NOT the case then.) They have booth been FOOLED, with similar results mind you, now JWs also endorsed the UN 1990 3rd presentation event and say NOTHING of its prophecy at Daniel 11:31b and Daniel 8:23.

Most JWs do NOT realize this GB thing is actually new AND experimental since 1976, it is a “clergy” cloaked in JW “theocracy” terms, and it is a “board of directors” coup of Knorr-to-Fred-Franz singular WT-presidential authority by former leading men (Knorr and Franz) who obviously did have a divine backing for the genius they were given. The GB is like a “Korah class” when we see how they robbed Nathan Knorr and Fred Franz of their continuation of singular “Moses” and “Aaron” like leadership.

Now that “board revolt” is merely cloaked as the “Governing Body” term, just a facade, but it has achieved the same purpose in the JW microcosm as did the Christendom clergy in that apostate house nwo, in addition most JWs cannot detect the problem.




1. Accept the GB as divine, in error, and they accept the “JW org” mundane appliance as “Zion” from the mouth of that actually recent GB clergy staff.

2. JWs did leave “Babylon” by way of the Christendom “broad way” (Rev11:7-10) out of both of them  in 1914 culminations of separation. But in 1976, JWs decided (by GB coercions) to “Return to Babylon” by way of their own GB based WT Christendom-like “clergy class” merely cloaked in differing terms, but inside it is the same thing (2Thess2:3-4) as is its disastrous UN NGO spiritual effects and others now also present, like in Christendom since 1921, but in JWs since 1990 UN NGO tryst. (Dan11:30b; Dan11:31b; Dan11:32a)

3. JWs are now endorsing the UN System as members of its UN NGO global-partners program for “public UN information” dissemination in WT publications. And NOW WTBTS is also involved with the UN by means of various global UN Lobby roundtables under guise of various “good intention” terms like “religious freedom”, but they are in tangent with UN IGOs now (Intergovernmental Organizations, like OSCE, etc), far more directly connected to the development of future “change times and law” UN international law updates in progress.

4. Thus today’s “JW org” and JWs are in an even worse UN alliance than while in the UN NGO “Global UN Partners Program”.

5. So with idols like these in the JW house (Matt24:15) it is little wonder JWs are required by GB Law to also venerate the JW org “befouled” now UN-Temple arrangement and the GB “intermediary” CEOs. (Zech3:1-5; Dan8:13-14)


OF COURSE THIS WOULD HAPPEN IN TIME!!! (Dan11:32a;Dan8:11-12) And because it took 40 years, most JWs just accept it as “business as usual”. (Dan8:12a)

The tricky part is, IF JWs know this (Matt24:15), some will NOT venerate the GB and JWorg as idols, some will, it is what it is: a house actually divided in heart FROM THE INSIDE. (Dan11:32a) That is why the “gradually given over” nature of the GB backdrop development (Dan8:12a), and its fronting of this kind of subversion to try to sell it all to all JWs, ALSO being HARD TO DETECT, creates such a modern nightmarish situation for JWs pursuing true Christ-ALONE channeled and God focused real spirituality; it is INCOMPATIBLE with this post 1976 JW “arrangement” NOW.

But to most JWs, NOTHING is amiss, “all’s good”.

So God will get rid of the GB in time. (Zech3:5; 2Thess2:1-12) Those who follow them will go down with them (Isa66:6; Matt22:1-4; Matt25:1-13), those who follow God will head into the “right condition” recovery period for a final clarification and massive prophecy update final witness. (Dan8:13-14; Rev8-11:1-7[ Rev10:11)


In reality, it seems mankind is DEVOLVING in itself, in the opposite trajectory of the so-called theory of “Evolution”.

What gives?

The base premise of the evolution generic abstract claim cannot by substantiated by human “progress” which is in retrograde motion as we speak.

Thus we can discard the “idea” of evolution as just another lie inspired by the DEVOLUTION of man away from “God’s image” which is a FACT.

The Law of Devolution is all that applies to mankind as the moral downward spiral is just one of the core diagnosable symptoms of this entire “species” decline overall.

No wonder they also believe “evolution” while the opposite is in effect. The “Origin of Downfall” is all it is really. That origin is in Genesis 3. Since Satan is also devolving he is the main attempted guide of the spiral to human societal ruin of the “species”.

He says certain things in his bag of tricks are IMPOSSIBLE for God to solve, as God’s will is IMPOSSIBLE for God in effect.

In reality MORE than “Anything” is possible to God who also causes NEW REALITIES to emerge not even known by men or angels.

Expect Satan to “devolve” to his own total extinction in this PROCESS.


1914 is significant on every major global level of change, secular and spiritual from world government nucleus gone public to the world war cycle that provides the problem for which the League and UN world government nucleus are the “solution”, as well as the Federal Reserve and mirroring London global-central-banking frameworks for massive 300 billion profit margin on the WW1 military expansion cycle as well as a world government of finance nation-state-to-globalist model engine.


Throw in a Kingdom of God diametric sovereign universal and global TIMES UP warning and it is undeniable 1914 is the year the globalization basis of world government and the trend to change the world to come under a “one world government” BEGAN.

Only a chimpanzee cannot comprehend the meaning of this massive global-synergy of the forces—poliitcal, financial and military that are now shifting world power to the globalization goal (Rev16:13-16) which culminates in world government which triggers the Christ arrival.

Easy peasy Japaneasy.

1914 is easily the marked year by more than 6 major prophecies of timed nature in tangent, end (seven times, 607-1914) to start (1914-1918) in two STAND ALONE sets of prophetic proof too boot.

World government “8th King” in TOTAL completion financial and military center PLUS the UN world government NUCLEUS “image” political global-“executive branch” in complete AND globally stated final-sovereign-global form of “world peace” (and security (1Thess5:1-3); Dan8:25 “freedom from care” “sword stroke” “healing” process; Rev13:3 parallel Rev17:8-13)



IT’S COMING (Dan2:31-45; Rev19:11-21; Zeph3:8-9; Joel 3:9-17; Rev16:17-20; Rev11:15; Dan11:45>>>Dan12 final fulfillment cycle)

1914 ain’t going away. Neither is its Kingdom of God proclamational warning and salvation invitation.

Get used to it, the “second witness” of the “two witnesss” shall REPEAT this warning after JW org goes down as Daniel 8:13-14 for major UN and GB “transgression(s) causing desolation”.

What Happens at a Bible Study?

Well nowadays with JWs, a bible study is a study of GB idolatry and JW-organizational golden calf worship in which God and Christ are just crib mobile carrots to float around what is really a nursery of the “Cult of the Governing Body” who now “govern” in place of Christ with all the perks, riches, fame and benefits and blasphemies worthy of any true “man of lawlessness”.

What Happens at a Bible Study?

Today it is an indoctrination for GB worship.

JWs have gone far wide of the way of Christ Jesus, far wide. (Dan8:13-14) JWs are NOT in the “right condition” at this time, but that’s going to change soon. BIG TIME! (Zech3:1-5)

I am sad to say today’s JWs are those apostates (Dan11:32a) God and your ma warned you about, and UN System Club Partners too boot.

You oughta Matthew 24:FIFTEEN the JW org.



You’re Welcome,

This forecast takes into account Daniel 8:13-14 verification timing of a minimum 3.19 years as the main signature of the JW temple desolation. (Overall it may last 2300 days, desolation and recovery phases “evening” and “morning” respectively. Btw, there is a very very important reason why Daniel 8:13-14 must and will fulfill first: It allows ALL of the premature delusions to totally fail well before the real 1260 days begins. (Dan7:15; Dan12:7; Rev11:2-3; Rev12:14; Rev13:5)))

In that timed period of Daniel 8:14 many forecasters, including King, will merely try to say the 1260 days has begun and it is as good as the end and Christ arrival. (2Thess2:1-2)

In reality it will be neither. Instead the world war “sword stroke” will “heal” (Rev13:3) into world government (Rev17:8-12) which will trigger the Christ arrival a number of years into Daniel 8:14 (fully expired) into the 1260 days final warning of Revelation 11:2, which also must expire fully PRIOR to both world government and Christ arrival, hence Rev11:7-12.

Instead, what happens to JWs is to result in temple judgment accounting (and discipline), purification (Zech3:4-5) and RECOVERY “morning”; Rev9 parallel. (Eze37)

The 1260 days real divine commission “SECOND witnessing” of the “TWO witnesses” is what will emerge BEFORE 8th King world government completes and triggers the Christ arrival. The JW temple event gathers global attention to where the final warning must emerge in other words, AFTER full desolations of Daniel 8:13-in the Daniel 11:41-43 overall global context.

Some semblance of the post-desolation “established place” (JWorg) (Dan8:11; Nah2:1) may be retained for the final warning, of course not in the lawless and idolatrous state of today’s JWs and JW org. (Dan8:14)

In reality the preaching does not end, it converges into the Christ arrival wherein he completes his own ministry in Revelation 14:6-8, “in person” so to speak; (Matt10:23).

King and others shall fail and also aid the premature “end of the world” hoax, they just fail AFTER JWs fail first.

Of course I can explain exactly why King will fail, it is in his “seven seals” error, that is the main glitch, but there are many many more. So many in fact, it appears King is an external operation related to the JW subversion internal operation (Dan11:32a), he just uses a slightly different strategy, but he is premature, that much is pretty much certain.

Ask any questions you want, I have done a 5 year long full-time spiritual “forensics” and can thoroughly prove:

1. JWs are NOT 100% wrong.

2. The purpose of the “doomsday” impression in a premature “end of the world” HOAX which is engineered in the whole overall Christendom false prophecy complex. (Btw, the “Governing Body” is a Christendom styled clergy, they just slipped it in in 1944-1976 under a deceptive veneer and different sounding term, but it is from Babel corporate religious management technique “DNA”, so they are still in Christendom and Babel by the same impostorship (hence “man of lawlessness” modern version in JW focus”) “governing” council.)



The Isaiah 54, Galations 4:21-31 Riddle

Christ’s bride is not to be “barren” and will have more earthly children to be guided into the transition into human perfection.

(Isaiah 54:1-3)“Cry out joyfully, you barren woman that did not give birth! Become cheerful with a joyful outcry and cry shrilly, you that had no childbirth pains, for the sons of the desolated one are more numerous than the sons of the woman with a husbandly owner,” Jehovah has said. 2 “Make the place of your tent more spacious. And let them stretch out the tent cloths of your grand tabernacle. Do not hold back. Lengthen out your tent cords, and make those tent pins of yours strong. 3 For to the right and to the left you will break forth, and your own offspring will take possession even of nations, and they will inhabit even the desolated cities.

(Galatians 4:27) For it is written:“Be glad, you barren woman who does not give birth; break out and cry aloud, you woman who does not have childbirth pains; for the children of the desolate woman are more numerous than [those] of her who has the husband.”

(Because Sarah was both the barren woman with the husbandly owner (thus not the “woman” symbol of Isaiah 54:1), the real application of the Isaiah’s prophetic “barren woman” who did NOT have the “husbandly owner”, until Christ’s arrival, is the reality to be borne under Christ’s Bride. Christ’s “bride” is the symbolic “woman” of Isaiah 54, and “she” will bear billions of perfect human beings, with no trace of “root” sin, because Christ is the “Eternal Father” of the “last Adam” perfection of future human beings.

Isaiah 54 and Galatians 4:21-31 is a divine “sacred secret” riddle, which others, not Paul, have applied to God’s “woman” who bears the “144000” in both prophecies. In final reality God’s “woman” bears the 144000, and Christ’s bride bears all human people from the last resurrection.

(Galatians 4:31) 31Â Wherefore, brothers, we are children, not of a servant girl, but of the free woman.

Christ’s “Bride” in progress, when in sinful human form, covered by the Christ atonement, reborn into Christ by God, is the “enslaved” “barren” “woman” with no “husbandly owner”, the “servant girl” in final application to Isaiah 54.

In this way all things that have died, are “gathered” in that Adamic based death, to be restored as was Christ, who in the “re-creation”, or regeneration, in essence Genesis 2.0, in Last Adam Christ meaning, will bring back all things given him:

(John 6:39) This is the will of him that sent me, that I should lose nothing out of all that he has given me but that I should resurrect it at the last day.

(Matthew 19:28) Jesus said to them:“Truly I say to you, In the re-creation, when the Son of man sits down upon his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also yourselves sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

(Ephesians 1:8-10) This he caused to abound toward us in all wisdom and good sense, 9Â in that he made known to us the sacred secret of his will. It is according to his good pleasure which he purposed in himself 10Â for an administration at the full limit of the appointed times, namely, to gather all things together again in the Christ, the things in the heavens and the things on the earth.[Yes,] in him…

Thus the global earthly “Gentile” system “Tree”, is “to be sure” to mankind and everything under the new “last Adam” hierarchy of indestructible life:

(Hebrews 7:15-17) And it is still more abundantly clear that with a similarity to Melchizedek there arises another priest, 16 who has become such, not according to the law of a commandment depending upon the flesh, but according to the power of an indestructible life, 17 for in witness it is said:“You are a priest forever according to the manner of Melchizedek.”


As Satan’s death dealing spirit is “unplugged” and eventually deposed eternally:

(Hebrews 2:14-16) Therefore, since the “young children” are sharers of blood and flesh, he also similarly partook of the same things, that through his death he might bring to nothing the one having the means to cause death, that is, the Devil; 15 and [that] he might emancipate all those who for fear of death were subject to slavery all through their lives. 16 For he is really not assisting angels at all, but he is assisting Abraham’s seed.

“Assisting Abraham’s seed” means completing that blessing:

(Genesis 22:18) And by means of your seed all nations of the earth will certainly bless themselves due to the fact that you have listened to my voice.’”

Because neither human beings, nor even holy angels (or demons)(Heb1), were permitted by God to rule in sovereign totality in usurpation of himself, the “seven years” of Neb’s “gentile insanity” is the symbol of the unsound aspirations to “rule the world” which began to be entertained after the Genesis 3 period sin in Eden and its “garden”. And just as the “tree” has an implied “sprout” in the “twig of the stump of Jesse”, David’s earthly father, by that Kingdom Covenant with David, Christ is able to assume the root system of the to be fully divine Kingship.

Thus former “human beings” are sanctioned by God, to rule with Christ, also a “former human being”, thus assuming the root and entire “tree” structure as the “Kingdom of the World” is just such a symbol in Revelation 11:15, which occurs after the “seven times” of the final 1260 days final announcement, completes that Revelation 11 2520 days “seven times” extended meaning. And as will be shown, Daniel 4 and the initial Babylon versus Jerusalem first 70 years co-development for the inception “seven times”, to form the basis of the global 2520 years “seven times”, does connect to the Zechariah 2 “Jerusalem” completion and the Zechariah 3-4 “Temple” completion.

But the symbol of the 586 BCE to 516 BCE Temple completion and “king-priest” ceremony, after also 70 years “seven times”, connecting Zechariah 4 to Zechariah 6:9-15, is what completes Christ King-Priest final symbology for Revelation 11’s relevance to Christ assuming just such a total “Jerusalem” King and “Temple” Priest, King-Priest role over all planet Earth, to actually apply the full life totality in his sacrifice:

(Revelation 7:13-17) And in response one of the elders said to me:“These who are dressed in the white robes, who are they and where did they come from?” 14 So right away I said to him:“My lord, you are the one that knows.” And he said to me:“These are the ones that come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 That is why they are before the throne of God; and they are rendering him sacred service day and night in his temple; and the One seated on the throne will spread his tent over them. 16 They will hunger no more nor thirst anymore, neither will the sun beat down upon them nor any scorching heat, 17 because the Lamb, who is in the midst of the throne, will shepherd them, and will guide them to fountains of waters of life. And God will wipe out every tear from their eyes.”

JW Current Apostate Status and Final Temple Judgment – Web Witnessing Record; The Bethel Apostasy is Prophecy

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