February 2016

[QUOTE who=”Nolan”]<quoted text>
Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. [/QUOTE]


So they must also obey God, and when they do not, God judges them and removes them, in time. So their position is relative, and dependent on obeying God, if indeed he set them up, it is not to be Satanic renegades is it?

So national powers will be answering to God for their long list of serious sins against life on Earth, and God is not partial, in time they will get the writ.

Thus by God setting up and allowing these kingdoms, they agreed to be subject to Him, and now God has legal right to depose them for his final government. The poor dummies played right into His hand didn’t they?

(Daniel 2:44) . . .“And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite;

Don’t worry, they aren’t going anywhere fast, but into the winds of time.

(Daniel 2:35) . . .and the wind carried them away so that no trace at all was found of them. . . .

THAT is the destiny of every government of planet Earth, because NONE of them obey God, their maker.

(1 Corinthians 15:24-25) …when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and all power. 25 For he must rule as king…

That day is getting closer.

[QUOTE who=”01Blacksheep”]<quoted text>
I see what your saying, thankyou. It’s nothing exciting to look forward to.
Jah bless.[/QUOTE]

Not in the discipline phase, but what comes from it will be the final prelude to the Christ arrival, and the full clearest warnign ever, of that event, marked by a few final great global milestones.

Bethel’s judgment, really an anointed Christian judgment overall, is the FIRST milestone.

Having that first milestone well seen in global awareness, aids the explanation of the rest of the milestones to follow. For example the 7th king required fall (Dan11:42-43), is NOT “the end”, but was the prelude global crisis “sword stroke” phase, to aid 8th King rise.

8th King ascension (Rev11:7; Rev17:8-13), climaxes into world government.

By the time world government is ready for final presentation (Dan12:11 as Dan11:45), of course all the world will know and see this event. Many of them, will also know the second witnessing final warning, that world government will trigger the Christ arrival.

So all these event milestones, starting with the Bethel judgment event of Daniel 8:13-14, is to inform people of where we are en route to Christ, as indicated by these final global developments.


Thus Bethel’s claims “the end” is what develops next, is a bypass diversion from reality. (2Thess2:1-2)

Instead the start of the 7th King downfall, as the “tribulation of those days”, is the context of Bethel’s judgment. It is NOT the end, but the BEGINNING of the final cycle of global prophecy, and global development to the world government goal.

Now Bethel’s premature end delusion, can be used to cloak and smokescreen their downfall, as if it is “the end” starting. And many JWs will buy that hoax, so you will have to clue those you can, into reality, when God forms the recovery “morning” of Daniel 8:14.

[QUOTE who=”Passerby”]Can any JW explain to me how he or she understands the WTS new meaning of ‘the generation’?[/QUOTE]

It means they just added on another hundred years. And in theory, one can keep this “overlap” method going on for all eternity. This last Generation Class Lesson has been updated with more details as to how the function is to be performed mathematically, based on those born within the very last second within the year Fred Franz was alive, that is December 22, 1992.

We may call this the Franz Convergence Theory, where ANY ANOINTED, who was born within the Fred Franz “window of opportunity”, now contributes their respective lifetime as well, to the “Generation” timeline.

Thus Brother Spiritual, who was in his 30s when anointed while Fred Franz was alive, who is now in his 50s, can add on another stretch of potential decades to the “generation”. And anyone anointed before he dies, like Sister Spiritual last year, can now “overlap” with Brother Spiritual, who overlaps with Fred Franz, who overlapped with the 1914ers “generation” incept.

Now Sister Spiritual is in her 30s, NOW, so we can add on some extra decades to the Brother Spiritual projection, which if he lived to say 70, added on another 20 years to a 2036 “the end” from now, as Sister Spiritual can do the same beyond that of Brother Spiritual, and we can shoot for a 2056 “the end”.

But that is ONLY if the New Generation Theory Extended Formula has a theoretical “overlap” limit, which apparently it does not. So as long as someone is anointed, while another anointed is alive, who now overlap with Fred Franz 1992 new mental threshold who overlapped into the 1914ers inception, the “generation” can keep being extended for theoretically another million years.

Of course this has all devolved into ridiculousness now. But the “formula” is actually easy to understand:

In years:
Where Fred Franz extended base date (FFb) = 1992
Where Anointed_new (An) = person’s lifetime
Where Y = new a single new anointed lifetimes
Where V is more and more potential global anointed
Where Xinfinity (X) is in theory many many decades
Where Now is 2016

The end date countdown

Now + FFb + An + (Y * V) = X

X never equals 0



The “tribulation of those days” PHASE is coming. (Matt24:29) But we also have the “sword stroke got healed” prophecy pattern. (Rev13:3)

So we know the “tribulation of those days” will HEAL (Isa41:1), prior to the global judgment PHASE, that is the “nations regain power” BEFORE Armageddon climaxes:

(Isaiah 41:1) . . .Attend to me in silence, YOU islands; and let national groups themselves regain power. Let them approach. At that time let them speak. Let us come up close together for the judgment itself.

Now we have the wildbeast “ascension” principle in Revelation 17:8-12. So we KNOW world government will rise, or “ascend”, with that GLOBAL HEALING, from the “tribulation of those days”. They like to present the wildbeast, as in 1919, 1945 and 1990, under the most hopeful of orchestrated circumstances, so people “admire” the wildbeast:

(Revelation 13:3) And I saw one of its heads as though slaughtered to death, but its death-stroke got healed, and all the earth followed the wild beast with admiration.

(Revelation 17:8) The wild beast that you saw was, but is not, and yet is about to ascend out of the abyss, and it is to go off into destruction. And when they see how the wild beast was, but is not, and yet will be present, those who dwell on the earth will wonder admiringly…

And we know from Revelation 11:7 (Rev13:5-7 parallel):

(Revelation 11:7) . . .And when they have finished their witnessing, the wild beast that ascends out of the abyss will make war with them and conquer them and kill them.

That world government will be “ascending” as they cease the final warning, which is this DUAL CRITERIA marker of Daniel 12:11:

(Daniel 12:11) . . .“And from the time that the constant [feature] has been removed (Rev11:7) and there has been a placing of the disgusting thing that is causing desolation, there will be one thousand two hundred and ninety days.

And that will have to be in the HEALING PHASE, after the 1260 days, which will be in the “tribualtion of those days”, has expired as Daniel 7:25, Daniel 12:7, Revelation 11:2-3, and Revelation 12:14 and Revelation 13:5.


What this boils down to, is the details apostate Bethel is bypassing, for that premature end of the world cover story, for their downfall (Dan8:13-14, Dan11:41).

But we have been warned to be on guard for those “as though from us” apostles:

(2 Thessalonians 2:1-2) However, brothers, respecting the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we request of you 2 not to be quickly shaken from your reason nor to be excited either through an inspired expression or through a verbal message or through a letter as though from us, to the effect that the day of Jehovah is here.

Which plainly, Bethel is NOW carrying out among JWs, a FAKE “the end” over excitation, to shake JW reasoning.

And Christ’s first commendation still stands, that we MUST TEST the liars at Bethel:

(Revelation 2:2) . . .‘I know your deeds, and your labor and endurance, and that you cannot bear bad men, and that you put those to the test who say they are apostles, but they are not, and you found them liars.

Obviously if that was the FIRST pat on the back out of Jesus Christ’s post earthly life, we NEED to teast apostles on a REGULAR BASIS, if we want a commendation IN THE FUTURE.

And we did, we tested Bethel and we found them to be LIARS, as stated in prophecy.



Thank Jehovah God and Jesus Christ we have GOD’S PROPHECY, rather than have to rely on the Bethel apostasy diversion STALLED smokescreen story from UN riding FRAUDS and SELL OUTS.

Thank God, some Jehovah’s witnesses are SKEPTICAL and DISCERNING (Matt24:15) regarding Bethel’s sheepskinned CEO WOLVES, as God exposes them for the LIARS they are, from recent times, as the validity of the former JW ministry from 1914-1970, is WHY Satan has put the LIARS up into Bethel. (Dan11:32a)

(2 Thessalonians 2:9) But the lawless one’s presence is according to the operation of Satan with every … lying sign…

(Zechariah 3:1) And he proceeded to show me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of Jehovah, and Satan standing at his right hand in order to resist him.


The “governing body” term was first mentioned among JWs, in 1944. In 1976, the “Governing Body”, termed as a title in 1971, took control of the JW org. The hard work of Nathan Knorr and Fred Franz, and millions of witnesses, was then hi-jacked at the perfect time to assume the controls, reap the benefits, and slip in under the cloak of the former brothers’ hard work, AS IF the “Governing Body” did all these things.

The did not. (Rev2:2) They are meddlesome power seekers who usurped the ministry from the capable hands of Knorr and Franz, to produce the apostate folly all Jehovah’s witnesses are now sharing in today.

The takeover of this rogue and illegal “body” can all be summed up on a business card, in 8 pt print. It is VERY SIMPLE. It is what it is.

Now why should we care what the Bethel “evil slave” has to say about the faithful? Soon, God will have to utterly destroy the evil Governing Body, from the midst of the crashed JW ministry, for a first warning (Dan8:13-14), of more to come. (Isa66:6).

Hell on earth awaits the GB, but JWs will escape (Hos1:4-7), but not untouched, we will all suffer the various consequences of rogue and illegal apostate leaders decisions.

Its a coming. (Dan11:41)


The “governing body” term was first mentioned among JWs, in 1944. In 1976, the “Governing Body”, termed as a title in 1971, took control of the JW org. The hard work of Nathan Knorr and Fred Franz, and millions of witnesses, was then hi-jacked at the perfect time to assume the controls, reap the benefits, and slip in under the cloak of the former brothers’ hard work, AS IF the “Governing Body” did all these things.

They did not. (Rev2:2)

They are meddlesome apostate and UN riding power seekers who usurped the ministry from the capable hands of Knorr and Franz, to produce the apostate folly all Jehovah’s witnesses are now sharing in today.

The takeover of this rogue and illegal “body” can all be summed up on a business card, in 8 pt print, 1,2,3. It is VERY SIMPLE. It is what it is. (Dan8:12)

Now why should we care what the Bethel “evil slave” has to say about the faithful?

Soon, God will have to utterly destroy the evil Governing Body, from the midst of the crashed JW ministry (Dan11:41), for a first warning (1Pet4:17, Dan8:13-14), of more judgments to come. (Isa66:6).

Hell on earth awaits the GB, God will pursue them all the way to Gehenna, but JWs will escape (Hos1:4-7), but not untouched, we will all suffer the various consequences of this well foretold spiritual virus of rogue and illegal apostate leaders’ decisions.

Its a coming. (Dan11:41)

(Amos 9:1) cut them off at the head, all of them.. . .

The GB is the evil “head” about to roll.

It is the temple judgment.


And that first on God’s agenda.


[QUOTE who=”Tony Price 77″]<quoted text>
But perhaps that solution is that the slave is the non-apostate Christian church shepherds, and that the proper time of dispensing spiritual food to the church members is simply when the shepherds dispense spiritual food in general.
Also, perhaps that is why JWs cannot reconcile their history of mishaps, blunders, errors, and mistakes with what Matthew 24:45 says.

Well not in the corporate religious sense. Christendom, which Bethel is within, is just as err ridden as Bethel. But Bethel takes it to the streets, so they have a higher profile than low profile Christendom academia and ministries.

I mean they all joined up with the UN System overall in thier various UN NGO partnerships, at one time, or another.

JWs cannot reconcile things, not because they could be mitigated properly, but because their is no divine approval on the apostate GB, and their “damage control” merely exacerbates the disaster that has formed under their leadership since 1976.

So debunking JWs is not good news it all, rather, it means the whole of Christianity as far as religions are concerned have all allied with the wildbeast system. The whole thing is off course, Bethel is just the newest example of this kind of blatant apostasy.

Once the GB is destoyed, it will all be reconciled, and stumbling blocks will also be scrapped, rather than band-aided as Bethel does, just making it worse. Bethel is a bad sign, of the whole of Christendom, they are all 666 allied.

[QUOTE who=”Nedoba “]<quoted text>
If you were referring to me as an apostate……I have not left God. I left a cult of self-glorifying men.
JWs are taught to be the most critical and negative people/religion on the earth…

This is the reality. Bethel has devolved into a core apostasy. In the process these self glorified billionaires have become an “association”, a role model, to JWs.

In that process, the GB “mind”, not that of Christ btw, has been implanted into the JW head since 1976 in full blown manner. JWs have no mercy, they ostracize the sheep the GB has condemned, not God.

Now if a shepherd taught everyone to banish a lost sheep, it is more likely the sheep will remain lost. And that kind of evil, required psychological manipulation, to override people’s natural compassion.

In the process, JWs minds and hearts have been changed to that of a zombie and an icecube respectively. When the rainy day comes for the JW org, and it will for it has sinned in pinnacle form against God, they will not have the mercy card working in their favor.

As Jesus said:

(Matthew 7:1-2) “Stop judging that you may not be judged; 2 for with what judgment you are judging, you will be judged; and with the measure that you are measuring out, they will measure out to you.

The GB has judged themselves faithful, though they are plainly wicked. And JWs are misled to also judge themselves already “in”.

The JW hearty has been turned to stone and ice, and that will not help when Bethel’s judgment comes.

EVERYTHING about the GB works against JWs interests, as well as that of other people, and God and Christ. They are doomed. This is no sideline apostasy, this is the main stage of the future.


[QUOTE who=”AlanMF”]Reading Fred Franz’s writings is a fine way to see how the mind of an insane, religiously motivated genius works.

Fred Franz wasn’t “insane” imo. Wow, a sandwiched compliment in a way. LOL

But I agree God gave him some extra dimension of insight to layout the JW prophecy formula’s main symbology and plot.

And I mean if you compare the disjointed Christendom attempts, with the Franz prophecy “anatomy”, Fred really did “tied it all together” in a highly detailed and unique manner, far beyond his closest competitors. And its core framework has harmony.

He put lots of meat on the bones which were already laid by Russell and Rutherford.

That’s what made JWs message so scary to the “powers that be”, they began to layout a timeline AND a ]sovereignty] plot, that made sense: God’s Kingdom versus 8th Kingdom world government, not if, but when.

But in time, JWs dropped the ball, and their main world government blip seems to have fallen off their radar. And worse, these modern GB rats, have instead joined the world government effort as UN NGO.

Once Fred’s “genius” died, Bethel’s real lights went out too. Bethel is now presenting nothing new of Fred’s caliber, and what they do present is ridiculous, shallow, and disjointed. Now it is really starting to make no sense at all. And Bethel merely “cut and pastes” from plenty of Fred Franz files, to merely parrot the past, all the way to the bank.

Obviously modern Bethel is nothing more than a luxurious bad acting job. All a fraud, and UN allied too boot.


[QUOTE who=”RedhorseWoman”]<quoted text>
But we still need a JW to tell us the JW definition of “incorrigibly wicked.” As we all know, a person who openly disagrees with what the GB teach is very often disfellowshipped and deemed to be an “unrepentant sinner” and a “child of Satan” so the term “incorrigibly wicked” to a JW is not the same as “incorrigibly wicked” would be to a normal person.

For some reason, though, Mayor has refused to enlighten us as to the JW definition of “wicked.” He simply prefers to call Jace a liar for telling the unvarnished truth…simply because the truth of what JWs really believe is embarrassing and something a JW would prefer that non-JWs not know.

After all, when a JW tells a householder that Jehovah will soon destroy the “wicked,” the householder immediately thinks of those who harm others in horrifying ways, and they think that destruction of the “wicked” would be a wonderful thing. If, however, the JW were to inform them that the “wicked” would include the nice neighbor lady who is generous and kind and quick to help others simply because she is a Catholic and has openly rejected the JW message, that same householder would be horrified and would immediately turn off to the rest of the JW spiel.[/QUOTE]

Darn. There is always a catch with Bethel words is there not? LOL

I misread this thread, and thought it said “Do JWs Understand God’s Sovereignty?”

No. JWs understand the concept, but reject its truth.

The reason I say no, is when a person disrespects their own freewill sovereignty, and that of others, for the “sovereignty” of illegal GB CEOs of a corporation whom they do not know, they no longer uphold God’s issue of sovereignty, nor understand it.

Instead JWs coerce themselves and others to fear the GB Sovereigns of their own lives.

God is then offended, blessing is removed, sins pile up, judgment ensues. (1Pet4:17; Dan8:13-14)

3 of 4 of those things are now rampant among the new JW spiritual sociopaths, as produced by the Bethel GB icemen.

With no compassion for others, JWs have become sub-human, and sprun God’s sovereignty and the truth He respects the freewill of all. BUT God also exacts accounting, He too has His own freewill on the matter, and clearly states the outcome for those rejecting His “rules”.

But God does let freewill be exercized. JWs do not. JWs do not thus respect God’s sovereignty. They are set in opposition to it, and that aids the stumbling of millions of people.

So the Devil is behind the mysterious JW transformation. (2Thess2:9-12; Zech3:1-3; Rev8:10-11)

[QUOTE who=”Veritas 69″]<quoted text>
Maybe you can tell us when the animals sinned and die like humans and every other organic creation on Earth..?

They are under this hierarchy of the blessing:

(Genesis 1:26-28) . . .And God went on to say: “Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness, and let them have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and the domestic animals and all the earth and every moving animal that is moving upon the earth.” 27 And God proceeded to create the man in his image, in God’s image he created him; male and female he created them. 28 Further, God blessed them and God said to them: “Be fruitful and become many and fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving upon the earth.”

Now the theory is, had man not sinned, that blessing would be this blessing for all:

(Psalm 133:3) . . .For there Jehovah commanded the blessing [to be], [Even] life to time indefinite.

But now that man sins and dies, animals also die, under the hierarchy of death.

(Ecclesiastes 3:19-20) . . .For there is an eventuality as respects the sons of mankind and an eventuality as respects the beast, and they have the same eventuality. As the one dies, so the other dies; and they all have but one spirit, so that there is no superiority of the man over the beast, for everything is vanity. 20 All are going to one place. . . .

If they are all going to one place, “hades”, the death state, then maybe they can all get out.

(Ecclesiastes 3:21) . . .Who is there knowing the spirit of the sons of mankind, whether it is ascending upward; and the spirit of the beast, whether it is descending downward to the earth?

But is seems JWs and others have missed the fact, the Bible puts the animals also in the “one place”:

(Revelation 1:18) . . .I have the keys of death and of Hades.

(Revelation 20:13) . . .Hades gave up those dead in them. . .

(John 6:39) . . .This is the will of him that sent me, that I should lose nothing out of all that he has given me but that I should resurrect IT at the last day.

Get IT?


Although God gives much advice against trusting any human but Jesus Christ, when he was a human, Jehovah’s witnesses have slipped into the trap of venerating a group of sinful men.

That is the root of the modern JW problem.

Now because the GB make certain claims, can use the past works of certain individual brothers in the JW past to take credit for (with no right), and present themselves in polished “superfine apostle” slickster form, with the “smooth words” to match (Dan11:32a), JWs just adore their modern “Pope” in a collective men, who from the 1976 getgo, began a routine of directing service to themselves.

The Governing Body is the root problem. UN alliances, silence on modern prophecy, pedophiles, obvious money laundering and the like all came AFTER the GB assumed the controls.

JWs thus obey the GB Sovereign.

PROOF: Things will only get worse.

Until God judges, removes, and exposes that cabal of apostasy, things will continue to devolve spiritually among JWs, and the GB will continue to detract from Jehovah’s name, for their own, and plaster God’s name with their many lawless reproaches.

God is about and requires the TRUTH to be spoken.

Everythign I have stated is THE TRUTH.

Jehovah’s witnesses are no longer in line with truth (2Thess2:11-12), and are the GB’s witnesses instead.

This will result in much heartache for JWs in time, It will be just what God said it would be when men trust men, a disastrous curse and folly.

(Jeremiah 17:5) . . .This is what Jehovah has said: “Cursed is the able-bodied man who puts his trust in earthling man . . .

Think Jehovah is joking around with JWs? God isn’t joking around.

Wait and see what happens to Bethel in the near future. (Dan8:13-14; Dan11:41-43; 1Pet4:17)

Jehovah’s witnesses no longer speak the truth, they fell into the lie of the GB first.

(2 Thessalonians 2:11-12) . . .So that is why God lets an operation of error go to them, that they may get to believing the lie, 12 in order that they all may be judged because they did not believe the truth but took pleasure in unrighteousness.

Dos this black cloud over JWs have a silver lining?


Yes, ironically it does.

In its own strange way, the modern JW apostasy is good news, in a certain way. It means dormant judgment prophecy, that ALWAYS “starts with the house of God” has latently activated in this modern JW apostasy, much fresher rotten fruitage, than Christendom.

The good news is, if God must assess JWs in judgment (Dan8:13-14), rather than “presto salvation” as JWs are deluded to think is on the way, rather than judgment, then God must open the final call to all Christians, now out there in older, but similar apostasies, like the one JWs have devolved into. JWs devolved, not by choice, but by bad leadership. The GB is the rotted core leaven pit of apostasy, that is the main JW problem of today.

Now some in the Bethel organization are sinning against the holy spirit, this is deducible from the evidence, and prophecy aligning them with the “son of destruction” of the modern lawless one apostasy. (2Thess2:1-4) And they have that premature end of the world delusion and premature Christ arrival of the future, delusion in place as well. (2Thess2:1-2)

But does that mean all JWs will be condemned? No. (Matt25:1-13)

the good news is, if JWs must be judged, others and other Christians can benefit from what this will mean: The final phase of prophecy mirroring world events to world government and Christ arrival, will be OVERTLY activated.

God will give a second witness to all of Christendom, and much of the world, as to where we are in the stream of the Armageddon timeline, with plenty of time, and plenty of proof, and the first exhibit of proof will be the Temple Judgment of Jehovah’s witnesses.

That my friends, is good news. If God snuck on everyone in like JWs are saying, even they would be destroyed as UN NGO 666 marked. Instead, JWs will ebb given opportunity to get the 666 mark off their hands (slaves), as the forehead marked GB (masters) have done for King North Wildbeast boys, by admitting the sins and repenting before the world, with a full global disclosure.

That disclosure, global confession and global apology, is required for JWs to make amends with God, and it is also the “first chapter” of proof, from the horse’s own mouth, of the final warning proofs. The real challenge of the “second witness” final ministry, is being recovered among JWs, where the reproach was borne, and then preaching the BIG SALVATION this kind of judgment of Jehovah’s witnesses actually means.

That is the good news, of all this latest JW bad news. Come the “morning” of Daniel 8:14, a new cloud will come over JWs, and its silver lining is this is not ending until Christ arrives for the global sheep sweep first. It will not be late, but it will not be quite as soon as JWs have been misled by the GB, to expect.


Yes, it is a new “law covenant” as corporatized as they all become.

And in the process, the JW psychology becomes changed, to merciless. Now if JWs cannot have mercy and compassion on their own brothers and sisters who fall by the way side, by means of GB introduced stumbling blocks, and pitfalls, they cannot truly “love their neighbor” that they do not know. And if JWs can come to love “strangers” at Bethel, that they do not even know, but merely accept the fraudulent claims of those sinner men, then they also do not know God, if they accept such a masquerade as His replacement.

Thus we have a GMO JW, being transformed into the “new personality” of predatory corporate CEOs in the GB, whose “personality” JWs now take into their spiritual DNA.

And now that the judgmet ALWAYS “starts with the house of God”, such a lawless and merciless DNA will not bode well for JWs themselves fallign under this judgment, and its horrigic cycle coming up.

So the GB Devil, is actually settign up Jehovah’s witnesses for potential destruction, is the bottm line. And they do this while becoming a global reproach, to detract from the Kingdom message, for the scandalous spectacle Bethel’s circus has instead become.

Things are not looking good, overall, for this JW cycle coming up. But as Christians, we will have to understand the GB is the lead problem, and we will have to have mercy on misled and spiritually raped JWs, because in time THE TRUTH >WILL< come out 100%. No one mocks God and His truth, and simply skips off to harass newly resurrected ones, as JWs think this kind of JW monster will do, in the FAKE DELIVERANCE they imagine, from the Devil GB mouth, that is next on God’s agenda.

It is not. JUDGMENT of a Bethel worse than BTG, is what comes first (1Pet41:17), and next. (Dan8:13-14)

As Christians ALSO in this assessment and judgement of God, we will have to help what will be a globally SCATTERED flock, of long misled Jehovah’s witnesses, because the GB is who God will destroy, JWs by and large will be delivered to the requirement of repentance, and total global confession, apology to the world itself, and disclosure of ALL of Bethel’s crimes, and its source. (Dan11:32a)

JWs must reap what Bethel has been sowing in reality, and it is NOT GOING TO BE PRETTY. So be prepared to help these abused JW sheep, because in this case the GB’s beating stick in your average JW, is also the target and the victim of the overall “operation of error”, based on accepting a cabal of apostasy at Bethel, as if they are Christ’s apostles. They are not. (Rev2:2), they are Satan’s King North apostate apostles and impostors now running, ruining and owning all of Bethel’s “belongings” as the latest irrefutable EVIL SLAVE, FOOL VIRGIN, HQ and their lead examples.

This si NOT “going away”. This is going to get 100 times worse, 100 times faster than it took to get to this sorry and sad state.

The feelings the victims of Bernie Madoff had, of betrayal and violation, will be meted on JWs 1000 fold. The GB is going to betray and loot them, too boot. And that is going to be very difficult for JWs to accept.


[quote=”ablebodiedman”][b][color=#FF0000]but how is it YOU do not know how to examine this particular time? [/color][/b]

Revelation 3:3
Certainly unless you wake up, I shall come as a thief, and you will not know at all at what hour I shall come upon you.

Malachi 3:2
“[b]But who will be putting up with the day of his coming[/b], and who will be the one standing when he appears?


The supporting goal of the modern man of lawlessness manifestation, is to promote the idea of Christ’s arrival too soon. (2Thess2:1-2) We know world government is the world goal, and that will take some time, so do not expect Christ to arrive anywhere, but “in the temple”, to clean out the MOL, first. (Isa66:6; Zech3:1-5; Mal3:1-5; Dan8:13-14)

That too, takes time, hence Daniel 8:13-14 judgment timing, that must run its full course first, well before the final 1260 days is even half ready, to be deployed as a truthful final global warning. (Rev10-11)

Now the globalists would just love to rush world government in, so that all Christians failed to give the final warning. But we know they will be delayed, and here is the symbol in Revelation’s fifth plague.

The first four trumpets and plagues are the temple judgment and its global peak “tribulation of those days” context. So what is that fifth plague being poured out on the throne of the wildbeast, and its kingdom is darkened?

Well it corresponds to the fifth trumpet DESTROYER parallel of the fifth plague.

When Christ cleans the temple, to allow Christians out of the temple judgment abyss of smoking, world seen, desolations (Rev9:1-4), he will also pay key globalist positions a little visit, like he did on Assyria to destroy 185,000, one night. Christ will DELAY world government, to meet God’s timing of the final 1260 days. That is the plague that hits their “throne” in plague 5, midpoint in Daniel 8:14 timing, to end the “evening” of that abyss darkness, for GUARANTEED recovery.

It is not the destruction of the enemy system, it is opening up the final 1260 day warning as backed by angels, or JWs would have been destroyed (Hos1:4-7), and that would have spread into all Christendom, had Christ not delayed their progress. Of course destroying some key “illuminators”, and hitting the global martial forces like this, WILL darken their mood.

When Christ comes to clean out the JW ministry of its impostors and apostates, directly, he will also visit the globalist anti-JW global positions (Hos1:4-7), to give them a taste of why they call him in the Bible, him ALONE, “The Destroyer”.

They will get a scare from the visit:

[b](Isaiah 31:8-9) And the Assyrian[/b] (developing world government power system symbol) [b]must fall by the sword, not [that of] a man; and a sword, not [that of] earthling man, will devour him. And he must flee because of the sword, and his own young men will come to be for forced labor itself.[/b] (Death) [b]9 And his own crag [/b] (Rev8:8-9) [b]will pass away out of sheer fright, and because of the signal his princes must be terrified,” is the utterance of Jehovah, whose light is in Zion and whose furnace is in Jerusalem.[/b]

[b][i]They WILL get the hell out of the JW ministry, at that time, by their own will, I can tell you that most assuredly.[/i][/b]

But their global progress, will receive the 5th plague, they will also be delayed in world government development.

The reason Christ must use angels to open the final warning, is that it will be required, or all of Christianity would be toast, that is how ready and advanced these world government developers are at this time, they would rush in world government way too soon of Bible timing. That means all Christians, would by default, fail the final commission.

After plague 5 hits them, they will have to regroup, and that will cause that key delay, to allow the final 1260 day final warning to emerge, GUARANTEED (Rev11:2-3), but they will stil resist the message, but not with the force they once had prior to Destroyer’s visitation in their house. (Zech3:8) And that is why the “two witnesses” can “call down fire from heaven”.

When they tell the globalists they cannot stop that 1260 days, once it has begun, and their key anti-two-witnesses ops will be downed, it will be the truth, UNTIL that final 1260 days is done. NOTHING can stop the 1260 days, and those who get into a threatening position against it, will be vaporized in stealth manner. The globalists will know this, but they will not announce it to the world, it is a “personal message” God is sending them, that He is now playing ball, no longer ignoring the apostasy, or its rogues at Bethel. (Dan11:32-35)

Then, AFTER the 1260 days runs its course, (Rev11:7) the wildbeast will be allowed to cease the ministry (Rev11:7; Dan12:11; Rev13:5-7), but that only aids the Messianic Kingdom portion completion (Rev11:7-10; Rev14:1-8), so Christ arrives (Rev11:11-12); The focus of the final warning, is the full explanation of the final global circumstances that lead to his arrival, [u][i]as triggered[/i] by complete and global functioning world government[/u], [i][b]and[/b][/i] its final “world peace” claim. (1Thess5:1-3)

This is going to take some years, and some doing, amidst a very volatile and distracting global meltdown, in controlled fashion.

Don’t be expecting Jesus too soon (2Thess2:1-12), much has to happen still, and it will furnish the final warning, second witnessing of the two witnesses, final proofs of prophecy fulfilling, live and real-time.

JWs go down first. (Dan8:13-14)

That will be the FIRST sign, and the context of Destroyer coming out to play a little. You very well may meet some of the angels, be ready. (Zech3:4-9) And THAT is no joke. BE READY, come temple cleansing visitation time. Be ready NOW, in fact. The globalists aint screwing around once this ride begins to go full blown.

But then again, the Destroyer don’t mess around either, does he?


[QUOTE who=”FH Chandler”]<quoted text>
To be more accurate, ex/antiJWs who troll other forums such as this one that aren’t completely dominated by those with antiJW sympathies gather on JWN and pretend to be fine, upstanding members of society and have a good laugh over all the trouble they cause elsewhere. The aforementioned “UNchained” [who went, laughably, by “Honesty” on JWN] is a good example of that; had he engaged in the vile antics he did here [particularly falsely accusing other people of child molestation and sock-puppeting using their screen names, using multiple identities], he’d have been banned from JWN, despite his ex/antiJW sentiments.


JWN is a controlled outpost of JW discrediting. It has certain rules not in the terms of agreement, where Simon plays the dfing elder, fro various reasons which broach HIS agenda. As with JGernaut, who however you called here avatar, she was persecuted until she herself “disassociated” from Simon’s coven.

They do not want too much depth in any analysis of the Bethel forensics, because Simon is funded by anti-WTBTS interests, from the pocket of JWs, because Bethel’s own scandal mill is the main “troll food”.

Bethel is involved from the inside, in the external JW ministry discrediting OPERATION. It is an anomaly that JW scandal should drive as much traffic as Islam, because they blow SDA and Mormon scandal out of the water.

Now one cannot build an internet presence such as this, without planning and capital. JWs do nto notice, the entire ministry has now been focused on “damage control”, to cover up GB dirty laundry. In the past, it used to be like ti is on the SDA forum, serious talk about theology, even if polemic.

JW “message” has had to change, to adapt to the GB dirt mill, and that has eclipsed the theology of the “Kingdom message”, and JWs are none the wiser. As far as internet presence, how can an itty bitty sect drive the volume of controversy and anti-JW websites like JWs? NO OTHER RELIGION of their scale compares, they rank with the Catholics and Islam in overall bad internet driven reputation.

Unseen by most JWs, the GB has devolved the ministry into a reproach, in which Bethel is its own worst enemy, and now JWs have the worst retention rate, and the heaviest scandals of any religion in the size league. Except, unlike the Catholic Papacy, the ENTIRE JW community is implicated in the Bethel crime wave, accountability will in time, verge on down to elders and the laity.

JWs have become a classic clergy driven religion, with the same hierarchy as Christendom, who is also managed by the “governing body” concept, which manages and defines their clergy classes. Bethel just uses new terminology, to cloak the same old apostasy as in 380 AD. It is the same family, that bore the Pharisees. The GB is nothing more than a collective “Pope”, and nothing less.

But no one seems to notice that these anomalies, tell us something a little more devious is going on INSIDE of Bethel itself, they feed the troll farm, by their own words and actions, and that is the truth they cannot wiggle out of forever (Dan11:32a), and neither can JWs truthfully deny Bethel is their own worst enemy.

It tells us the enemy system has infiltrated the JW organization (Dan8:12; Dan11:32a), and the GB dictatorship, a stunt of control in itself since 1976, a big red flag even then, is the main steering wheel into mass JW apostasy. JWs are the apostates of most damage to the “Kingdom message”, and they imagine that is crazy talk, but it is the truth.


So the operation, as foretold, is successful and its lie is based on the error of the GB divine claims, as the core, and first, main “error” JWs have made, way back in 1944. (2Thess2:11-12)

And to prove this, it will get worse and worse in the JW org, and they themselves at Bethel, will end up canceling their own ministry, and cloaking that super-coup as if “the message is now one of judgment brothers!”. (WT7/15/15) But, “the end” will not come quite as soon as JWs have been misled to expect, and the JW folly will peter out into a global laughing stock, in a global crisis (Dan11:41-43), which will “heal” into the world government “solution” format, and JWs will be none the wiser.

This is because the GB is also manipulating the JW content and deluding their minds to accept that global crisis outbreak, AS IF, it will lead to the end of the world. But it will not, it is just another cycle they run, to present the next version of the United Nations, when the “big disaster” resolves into a time of great global hope and recovery.

Because that takes time, JWs will be able to recover, but first they have to remove and condemn the Governing Body and its illegal concept (and God will help, He will terminate the GB in strange global circumstances they themselves are engineering in the org), and make full global disclosure of the true internal state of Bethel, which will lead to a JW organizational downfall, that will even get more attention than all this laundering and lawlessness is doing now.

The future proof will be, it is going to get 100 times worse in the JW org, and that 100 times faster than since 1976. (Dan8:13-14)

The WTBTS will go through a controlled corporate demolition and takeover attempt, and it is to be smokescreened by Bethel’s own premature “it is the end of the world brothers!” cover story, all fraudulent and hoax worthy.

Once the world is really focused on JWs, then the news of their judgment starting the final cycle of all prophecy en route to world government to trigger the Christ arrival, will come out too.

[QUOTE who=”AuldSoul1″]<quoted text>
What the religion has written? True. No sense.

Non sense. Jehovah’s witnesses have the most advanced and defined theological prophecy framework of all history, which cross references across the 1260 days prophecies, and ties in the entire final structure of the “seven trumpets” upon which all Bible prophecy hinges.

Comparing Jehovah’s witnesses defined overall theme and structural development of logic to other Christendom attempts, is like comparing Isaac Newton’s calculus framework to simple addition in grade school.

The thing that threatens the establishment, and stagnated Christian academics about JWs, is the told the story of the final global circumstances to initiate the Christ arrival in full blown universal warfare upon a complete world government.

Christendom joined the UN, allies with the wildbeast, and Bethel has also done this. But before this the main motivation to discredit JWs, has been to silence the talk of a global sovereign war with the angelic military forces of Christ Jesus, 1000 bilion angels strong. any one of which could turn NATO to ashes in an hour.

THAT is what scares Wildbeast bedding Christendom, and their supporters of the 666.

That the GB has infiltrated the JW ministry is to aid this pie in the sky discrediting, for the poor dolts who are going to have to face Jesus Christ one day, anyways, it is just a delay, it cannot refure the frist witnessing of Jehovah’s witnesses, even if it devolved into a Bethel UN NGO allied apostasy itself. It just makes it all the more real, that the final cycle will BEGIN with the downfall of the WTBTS, and the early cancellation, temporarily, of the JW ministry, to hope to the Devil, they can silence all 1914 sovereign warnings of God Almighty.

But they will fail, and the desolations of the JW org, will only prove Daniel 8:13-14 is actyive, and that Revelation 8 is repeating for the “second witnessing” of the self same sovereign warning of the alied forces of Jesus Christ, BEFORE world government complete, and before they see what a God can do, when he is pissed off, and in battle array with 1000 billion angels to exterminate the rival NWO system.

In the meantime you just keep hiding in your delusion, it will go down with Bethel, first in the list of God’s final cycle attention garnering salvos.

In the meantime Jehovah’s witnesses have laid out the most solid and amazing Bible plot and prophecy tracking of any Christian group in all world history. And it will merely be recovered, the apostasy will be placed into the prophecy Bethel is fulfilling, and the final cycle warning will climax 1260 days prior to world government, as a second witness of the “TWO witnesses”. Then world government will complete, and those who survive to then, will see the battle array of 1000 billion angels of the Lord Christ, come to do battle with the Wildbeast world government, as fully forewarned TWICE, with their own eyes.

Ever feel the whole Earth shake? Your going to on that dreaded day.

But to us, it is good news. A few Bethel wafflers and UN apostates and a bunch of internet wafflers hoping the whole JW ministry is one big farce, are in for a bone chilling, skin tingling, big disappointment.

The truth cannot be stopped, slowed, nor reversed. God allowed Bethel to go 666, to garner a lot of attention for the JW downfall of Daniel 11:41, and Daniel 8:13-14 temple judgment of Jehovah’s witnesses, upon the same pattern as in 1914-1918, then the final warning will emerge.


[QUOTE who=”AuldSoul1″]<quoted text>
The religion known as Jehovah’s Witnesses [RKAJW] is just another false religion. Nothing more significant than that. Neither God nor Jesus has singled that idiotic little nuisance of a false religious cult out for any reason, not for good or ill.
The religion is nothing special at all, except in the fact of its patently unique set of false doctrines taught as the truth to the world, and in its systematic approach to spreading these false teachings.
They have been exceedingly ineffective in teaching their so-called truth to the world, according to mathematics. Fortunately, since the religion is nothing at all to God or to Jesus, their slow growth is actually a good thing.[/QUOTE]

All those opinions are from the internet troll forces of the NWO, who hope to the Devil JWs can be permanently discredited and stopped. Post 1976 Bethel scandals is what fuels the troll food. So it is all hearsay, from a couple knobs like Simon at JWN, and Cedars at that Mason site they front with that puppet.

But unfortunately, as far as the invalidity of the “frist witnessing” warning of the TWO witnesses total, it is all itself in error. They just use modern Bethel, to try to bolster the illusion the whole JW sovereign warning of God Almighty just aint so, it is all a farce from day one, none of it is a eral warning to all mankind.

So using UN allied Bethel scandal, all post 1944 at the earliest, 1976 in full blown infiltration takeover, is not going to uproot the 1914 based sovereign global warning of God Almighty. You are fighting God buddy, you will fall flat on your face, with the gnashing teeth Christ told you you would grind in the end.

You are just one of the feathers in the wind, that the NWO troll force influences to think your fancies are realities, but they hoaxed you. But you, like many others, will have time to understand THIS is TRUE:

World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3; Dan12:11), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

THAT is the simple main point.

That si all you need to know. Plan accordingly, JWs are going down as Daniel 8:13-14, but they are coming back up in Revelation 9 final fulfillment, and they aint going away any time too soon, your crew is though.

According to God, the original warning of 1914 still stands, and will be repeated for the hard of hearing, in the future, to result from the WTBTS decimation phase, allowed by God for joining up with the wildbeast UN NGO system.


[QUOTE who=”AuldSoul1″]
The only way to reach 1914 as a date of prophetic significance using the Bible requires:
1) ignoring Jeremiah 25-29; Daniel 5; Leviticus 25-26; and 2 Chronicles 36:1-21 and
2) creating a ridiculously elaborate and convoluted second fulfillment “calculation” from conjectured opinions about Daniel 4 which set of opinions also require denying Jeremiah 25-29 and require denying the conclusion Nebuchadnezzar reached as the lesson he learned by his experiences as record WITHIN Daniel 4.
1914 has no prophetic significance, whatsoever, and never has.[/QUOTE]

It is not that elaborate, OK? A weed eater manual is more complex than ANYTHING JWs have ever explanined. God is here to inform people of simple prophecy structural basics, he is not looking for genius, he already has a couple, himself and Christ.

JW prophecy is NOT complex, it is the audience who is dumbed down to literally 33 spiritual IQ levels, THAT is the problem, they don’t study the Bible, they say they do, and they act like they do, but they don’t, plain and simple.

Actually the 1914 method is much simpler than that to establish 1914 properly. You base it on 607 BCE Nebuchadnezzar ascension into regional kingship, into >>>70<<< years of Babylon “seven times” limited power, as stated in Daniel 4, and you scrap the 607 BCE “Jerusalem” destruction ASSUMPTION, which was in 587 BCE.

607 BCE still stands, as does 1914, but it is based on Babylon, as stated in Daniel 2 and 4, and all these problems go away very easily, while keeping 1914, whose real basis is from the 1260 days, which are arrived at independently of Daniel 4. They are all stand alone 1914 IDing prophecies.

Because you are refuting apostate Bethel, you think you got a little ammo, and all the other misled dolts on the Web are their to support your own delusion, that 1914 was not a global sovereign warning of God Almighty; but, it was. And that is why you are flying high on delusion, the REAL TRUTH has yet to come out of JW mouths.

But it will, in time.

Bethel’s lawless modern phase, it what also makes you think you may be on to something. But overall, the whole deception, to discredit the sovereign warning of God, has fooled you, as Christ warned you.

(Matthew 24:23-25) . . .“Then if anyone says to YOU, ‘Look! Here is the Christ,’ or, ‘There!’ do not believe it. 24 For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will give great signs and wonders so as to mislead, if possible, even the chosen ones. 25 Look! I have forewarned YOU.

You think, like JWs, that the Bible warnings are for others, and its benefits are for you guys. Think again. While you too, have been fooled by the same operation overall, just like JWs, but by different manners of deception.

Both you and JWs, are in for a bitter awakening in the near future. Better pack a spare diaper, just saying. This AINT going away anytime soon.


[QUOTE who=”FH Chandler”]<quoted text>

It’s been a long time since the JW public ministry focused on truly deep theological things. IMO, the last serious attempt to engage in such efforts [and I use the term “serious” loosely] was with the publication of the Revelation book.

yes. But that book’s content was already in print in 1963 and 1969 in BTG Has Fallen, and Then is Finished the Mystery of God book.

It was revamped, for that 1988 Revelation Grand Climax book, but all its core teachings climaxed in 1969.

The point is, 1969 was the time Bethel hit the plateau. But now it is the downhill side of that peak.

Now a side note, with that red Revelation book, came many illustrations in art work. Not saying there is anything wrond with that, it was nice to help see the prophecy.

But, when you are devolving the minds of people into a dumbed down mush, that is today’s JWs mindset, them “pretty pictures” and many “side boxes”, take on a completely negative use and purpose.

Just saying the lobotomy of JWs is not accidental, it is engineered, planned and administered with the deep psychology of propaganda a disinformation.

And the GB is indeed a spectacle of worship. I do not know how you cannot see them celebrating their own name. And watching over a minimum 10 billion dollar portfolio, I can tell you that is a full time job, and those guys eyes are glued all over the numbers, even if they never intimate their greed to JWs, they love tracking the big nest egg figures. Who wouldn’t if you get a multi-billion dollar portfolio?

And that too, is why there is no time for theology, this guys are money drunk as well, they are watching the numbers, and checking that mail for JW dollars, DAILY.

They are FREAKS, as any CEO becomes when they fall in love with money. Same old story. WTBTS is no small fry when you have channeled 30 billion in direct assets and investment growth since 1980, very very very conservative estimate, with no more than 400 million global yearly overhead, very very liberal estimate; probably more like 200 million.

We have a BIG racket any total novice detective could ID in ONE sit down with Google alone.

People, and JWs, being on intravenous “Seroquel Dumb Down Syrup” is why people cannot easily see, how easy this is to reverse engineer for what it is.

Imo, as proof, JWs will be looted soon. THAT will tell people what this scam has really been about: 30 billion dollars free JW money for globalist banker control.

[QUOTE who=”FH Chandler”]
“Bethel’s” problem is the same problem facing American Republicans: cuckservativism. Of course, they’re not yet so cuckservative as to let themselves be gang-banged in the manner of Pennsylvania State University, but they’re getting there.

That is true, Bethel displays the same symptoms are other WORLDLY organizations. They are peas in a pod.

BUT, with little fanfare they have recently themselves been “predicting” the JW organizational “siege” (WT7/15/15) to occur, most assuredly “soon, very soon”.

So, the “but they are getting there” becomes EQUALLY suspect, with this recent revelation to JWs, that Bethel is going down, as spoken from their OWN MOUTH. Now they do not highlight THE FACT, this is the craziest new teaching to emerge in JWs EVER!


And JWs think nothing of it!

But my point is, if you can see they are “getting there”, to a “gang bang” of the WTBTS, it is because you see evidence such as ARC evidence, Bethel’s rebel and taunting stance, and BILLIONS in luxury real estate investing and recent liquidations, which is called MONEY LAUNDERING RACKETEERING, merely employing a “charity” and religious veneer for the front of the scam.


Now you bet they are getting “gang banged” soon, they themselves are setting up the criminality of their own downfall!!!!

And that is why they can “foretell” their “soon, very soon” siege and corporate downfall. They are helping produce the fulfillment of their own self fulfilling prophecy!

And worse, they are now “foretelling” it to JWs, so the GB look like prophets, when the prosecution phases and lawsuit phase tsunami hits, yes, “soon, very soon”.

But is that really a prophet, when you set up the criminal context of your own “foretold” downfall?


What it is is a SMOKESCREEN, to tell JWs the reason they are going down “soon”, is “prophecy is fulfilling brothers!”, “the end of the world is what it all means!”, “look no further!”—but that is ALL DECEPTION.

The real reason Bethel is going down hard and fast, is CRIMINAL ACTIVITY, they themselves set up, and now have a cover story to “explain” why they are going down, as it “must be the end brothers!”, when in fact they are apostate criminals. And they do not want JWs privy to that fact of that REAL REASON, so this latest smokescreen is ominous in implications.

But, no one seems to notice or care, JWs are being set up for an engineered DISASTER. And JWs are told to obey the org, as crazy as it may sound, “at that time”, too boot. (WT11/15/13, pg20, par17, #3)

What is this adding up to?

Sorry, I was not born yesterday, this is a disaster forming for JWs. They are going to be ripped off blind, and worse.


[QUOTE who=”FH Chandler”]
Ehhhh… do you have any tangible, verifiable evidence of this?


Sure I do. Go and log into JWN. Then take my last two Betehl racketeering set up posts, and post them under your avatar, with a new thread called “Bethel Racketeers”.

Then see how long it takes Simon to read the truth in those posts, and remove them, and probably kick you out.

And that tells me, you can knock Bethel to discredit the JW ministry all you want, BUT you cannot reveal the brass tacks of their apostasy and its JW “ponzi scheme” operation nuts and bolts.

Because Simon is on the anti-JW payroll, from the top, of the JW web discrediting operation.

Don’t believe me? Then try it, and see what happens. Simon is a truth filter, to manage the discrediting disinformation scope, to keep it focused on only certain points of discredting.

He will probably go down around the time the peak Bethel downfall period climaxes, imo, 3 years into the anti-JW-org coup reality phase. His is not the only “operation” “out there”. (Rev9:1-4) But his is now active, the other one has yet to activate, and when it does, strange things are going to start happening. (Isa66:6)

The GB will be destroyed at that time, that will be proof you can validate later, in the context of their own planned downfall of the WTBTS, if it sounds crazy now, it won’t then. (Dan8:13-14)

You are NOT allowed to speak these things in Simon’s Congregation of Sinning Against the Spirit. He knows what is up, he will get warning prior to game day, and it is beyond human, not a threat, but a promise of “the Destroyer”.

Check it later, if you think it is all “crazy talk” now. You won’t have to wait much longer. This Bethel operation is no accidental random development, it has been targeted for obvious reasons of the sovereign statements it has been making concerning God’s Kingdom arrival and universal conquest.

And the “powers that be”, for a short time longer, do not like the message, so God will repeat it, a second time, for their deaf ears to hear. It is the “second witness” of the TWO witnesses forming, is what it is.

Things are going heat up soon. God will NOT remain silent (Rev8:1), much longer, in regard to Bethel’s apostasy and wildbeast partnerships. It will get big soon.

[QUOTE who=”AuldSoul1″]<quoted text>
It really, really is.
Jeremiah 25:12, by itself, either proves Jeremiah was a false prophet or proves C.T. Russell was ALWAYS wrong about the 70 years.
You are accepting that C.T. Russell was correct about the 70 years.
From that error, all the rest of your nonsense proceeds.[/QUOTE]

Well Daniel 4 is what lays out the “seven times”, EASILY ascertainable as 70 years. Seven-ty years, seven decades.

What Russell got wrong, was the TIME/EVENT Jerusalem 607 BCE hasty ASSUMPTION, as to what marks the “gentile” times.


They are >>>{{{GENTILE}}}<<< times. GENTILE >TIMES<.

What that means is Babylon, the “gentile” in our drama here, is what will be TIMED, NOT “Jerusalem” NON-GENTILE drama character. In other words, BABYLON is the key benchmark, always was, always will be, as plainly stated in Daniel 4 in and of itself.

But Russell did get the correct divine-sovereign meaning, that this expired into the final warning period BEFORE God conquers this universe, and everything in it, including this here ball of earth.


All you are doing is a diversion, to keep inspecting minutia, hoping God didn’t really back and give that FIRST warning in 1914. Well junior, he did. Face the simple logic, this world’s rival government’s TIME IS LIMITED, very simple.

THERE IS ONLY SO MUCH TIME LEFT. SIMPLE. Why dodge that simple truth?

Because you and others are deaf, a SECOND warning will be given in the future. It is TWO witnesses for a REASON. Get it? A “seond witnessing”, a truly FINAL WARNING, will emerge from the JW downfall coming up. (Dan8:13-14)

I hope you respond to it, you are on a dead-end stretch of highway to nowhere at this time, suckered in by the internal Bethel apostasy, which aids the external discrediting effort. You have been fooled. You are stalled on minutia, which has a simple explanation, but apostate Bethel only keeps the stumbling glitches in place. So they are removed first, in the process.

You are not the only one, falling for this diversion. The goal was to discredit the 1914 first witnessing warning. And it is working, on some, and thus they feel no need to heed the warning. If they keep that up, they will be destroyed, and that is the goal of the Devil.

This is all very very real.


[QUOTE who=”the Mad JW”]Most of my fellow JWs think “the Truth” is mostly whatever the GB/WTBS teaches.
CHURCHianity pretends its only Jesus (whose teachings they openly deny).
TRUTH is that the TRUTH is every word uttered by the Only True God Jehovah- thru his holy breath (“spirit”) in scripture.
That is the ONLY way we have learned about Him and His son- our Savior.
When Jesus said he was the Way and the Truth- it is because GOD had TAUGHT him what to say and teach….the same God denied by CHURCHianity….[/QUOTE]

Well the “Truth About the Truth” is, there is also a “Truth About the Truth About the Truth”. Obviously the Governing Body is involved with real crimes, that will soon be brought to full light, for no one mocks God.

But that TATT things, is it is NOT telling the whole story, it is just trying to undermine the 1914 based TRUTH of a global warning, of limited time, from God Himself.

The TATT, is, they are just as anti-truth as is modern Apostate Bethel, they both work for the same 1914 undermining goal. Bethel feeds out the dirt, the TATT groups just spread the news, as one team effort, to try to make people think this world has no time limit, and 1914 was not really a divine warning of Armageddon certainty.

Because Bethel is the criminal cabal, who provides all the “proof” in their scandals, of just how untrue it all is, as extolled by the external portion, of the self-same operation of error, overall, they will be crushed by God, to get them scoundrels out of the way, to expose the racketeers actually running, and ruining, the JW ministry.

It is coming.

The TATT is just evidence of Bethel apostasy, 1914 stands forever, the warning is valid.

And soon God will affirm it, again. (Rev10:11)

Because JWs and people in general, are hard of hearing, there is a “SECOND WITNESS”.

And that is why there are two witnesses. TWO, THAT IS (2) MARKED GLOBAL WITNESSINGS.

Since people are deaf, God will REPEAT the warning, and the rubble of Bethel’s apostasy will add to the veracity of that truly, FINAL WARNING.

The End So Soon? Nope…

Examining Apostate Bethel’s “The End is Here!” Hype and its Deceptive Purpose


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I think it’s wiser to say little and watch rather than jump to conclusions as much is malleable and not set in stone. Except for the actual outcome. The N W O is already here and has already been doing it’s thing for quite some time. The notion that is not here is untrue, it controls many things already. I n f i l t r a t e s and c o r r u p t s, d e s t r o y s, m a n i p u l a t e s on a daily basis. While trying to m a s k it’s existence by reversing and c o n f u s i n g t r u t h.

Well then you know the problem inside of Bethel.

And when prophecy tells us King North, top of the world, NWO, runs the apostasy at Bethel:

(Daniel 11:32) “And those who are acting wickedly against [the] covenant (at Bethel), he (8th King/King North) will lead into apostasy by means of smooth words. (The Bethel “smooth words” 8th King cover-up in the JW publications is part of the smoothly justified apostasy);

Then we have no reason to remain silent, as they teach JWs today to do.

But Jehovah’s witnesses no longer have faith in prophecy, because the NWO has been feeding them styrofoam for 25 solid years, and now the prophecy lobotomy is terminal. The Bible no longer speaks to JWs, the NWO does, through the GB of Silence.

Your paragraph is more than anyone has said, since Rutherford’s day, since the inception of Nathan Knorrs tenure in the New World book.

Brother JF Rutherford Exposes the “New World Order”:

“”The new world means more than the nations realize. It calls for more than THEY can muster. The bald fact is that they do not want it. For that reason the promised new world of lasting peace, which world shall be what all lovers of right want, should not be confused with the so-called “new order” or “new world order” which is today held up by political and religious dictators as a lure to the people. The righteous new world is the very opposite of that selfish and ambitious human scheme. “”

Now at the 1990 3rd UN event, when Bethel should have said the above, again, they went UN NGO and said nothing instead. Because they are NWO, and will not expose the King North in their NWO Masters.

And that is why is leading JWs.

If JWs heard prophecy, heard God’s voice in it, they would say something. But they went deaf on the GB NWO voice of the stranger. (John10)


That is why they call it a CONSTANT feature of the sacrifice of the lips to God, through Jesus Christ the master of the Dorr to Door work.

Jehovah’s witnesses have that much. To be constant feature, it has to be CONSTANT, not intermittent, or absent altogether.

The problem with JWs, is taking around UN NGO propaganda, along with their “constant feature” and in it, hence:

(Daniel 11:31) . . .And there will be arms that will stand up, proceeding from him; and they will actually profane the sanctuary, the fortress, and remove the constant [feature].. . .

The Generals of that “arms that stand up” is the Governing Body of Apostasy. They “entered” “the Decoration”, by infiltration and dictatorial coup in 1944 and 1976, respectively.

(Daniel 11:41) He (8th King) will also actually enter into the land of the Decoration (infiltrates the Bethel ministry internally, initially, to full blown coup later), and there will be many [people] that will be made to stumble. (Matt24:15; Luke21:20 signal development present now at Bethel; Stumbling people is also the lawless Bethel subversion goal. Parallels Daniel 8:11-13 and Daniel 11:30-35 events and meaning);

But as you see, God has nailed the JW apostasy many years ago, as it unfolds today.


What is needed will be obtained from within, because an investigation like this already has agents in the KH hierarchy from many years ago. This is a matured investigation. The pedophile criminality allows groundup prosecutions.

Now having 30 billion in donations, investment ROI, in real estate valuation of the org, and their real estate ventures and equities is the way to get to the top, top down, into the WTBTS administration. Obviously, they act like they have little to show for that conservative post 1980 cash and asset flow.

That means laundering and rackets is the way ti topple the top, and it too has people on the case, inside the org. Because this is an assured multi-billion dollar score, they have invested in the investigation for quite some time, and all that stuff will come out in the Legal Tsunami Phase, coming.

As per Bethel’s own mouth, they are preparing JWs to expect this “siege”, “soon, very soon”, so Bethel KNOWS they need a cover story of “persecution”, to cover the legal prosecutions it actually is, for rackets and pedophilia.

Thus for Bethel to already have a “self fulfilling prophecy”, for the smokescreen of that Tsunami wave downfall phase, means they plan to garner GB credibility as their own prophecy fulfills, and they claim is it “the end” and “prophecy fulfilling brothers”, and thus the fraud GB will look like super-prophets to JWs, for the whole crash cycle.

But when they engineered the crimes, for their own prosecutions, and that is the “prophecy” they say is fulfilling as “the end of it all brothers, look no further”, then it is just an orchestration, to employ a hoax, so they can topple the org, while JWs are paralyzed thinking it is “the end”, and nothing to prevent this downfall, will be offered by JWs.

So to fulfill Bethel’s own well engineered “prophecy”, of their own downfall “meaning”, these things will definitely manifest, as both parties, Caesar and Bethel, agree the WTBTS is going down.

This is a unique situation which has emerged since 2012, when Bethel started telling JWs, the org goes down next, especially in that 2015 July Watchtower, when it got specific. In 2012 was when they released that Jerusalem siege video, to pre-prime JWs to “obey the org” “as crazy as it sounds” (2013), fast as possible, when the org is hit by this coming Legal Tsunami.

So they plan to send JWs to capture, and take their houses, as well.

But because they have enough “BTG goes down first” hype in place in the JW noggin, JWs don’t seem to realize how unique it is, for Bethel to be uttering to them, that their downfall is INSTEAD, “soon, very soon”.

Altogether, this is very ominous.

Something HUGE is about to hit the WTBTS, soon very soon.

It is no accident the can of worms has been opened in:

1. Pedophile evidence;

2. Charity fronted rackets and laundering in England’s investigation;

Because BOTH of these legal issues, are about to drop on Bethel, like an Atomic Bomb.

And the WTBTS knows, and that is why they have the JW cover story, sicne 2012, in an overly detailed schedule of expectations (WT7/15/15), which is simply impossible to know in such detail, unless they know this legal tsunami, is what is coming, “soon, very soon”.

That Bethel has an exit strategy, and cover story, weill in place since 2012, shows they know, and are preparing for this WTBTS legal takeover. And they want to sell that downfall, for criminal acivity, to JWs as if it is “the end of the world brothers!”; But it is just the end of the Bethel apostasy.

It is prophecy of Daniel 11:41 for the Daniel 8:13-14 anti-JW-org context, but that is not the prophecy Bethel will be saying is fulfilling, no, their false prophecy is what they will cover this global JW-org coup with.

No wonder they want JWs to “obey as crazy as it may sound”. It ALREADY sounds crazy.


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Too much logic is now “non sense” I see. That was a pretty good argument in my opinion.

Now this is why the “On the Origin of Species” does not even contain the world “evolution”? Why?

They invented the “evolution” theory, by twisting Darwin’s words and logic. See Darwin believed there is an Almighty God, the cause of all things.

Now with the Bible, look as you may, you will never find the word “Trinity”, do you?

Nope, it too was concocted LATER, by twisting the words of the prophets.

Now similarly, and in the same vein of logic as weed shows, there is this:

(Acts 15:1-2) And certain men came down from Judea and began to teach the brothers: “Unless you get circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.” 2 But when there had occurred no little dissension and disputing by Paul and Barnabas with them, they arranged for Paul and Barnabas and some others of them to go up to the apostles and older men in Jerusalem regarding this dispute.

(Acts 15:6) 6 And the apostles and the older men gathered together to see about this affair.

(Acts 15:22) Then the apostles and the older men together with the whole congregation favored sending chosen men from among them to Antioch

Do we see any “governing body” in these statements? No, just as Matt stated, we have an “itemized” listing of the parties SEPARATELY, so we would not later conclude the “name of the Governing Body” somehow included the apostles and the older men. In fact the “WHOLE CONGREGATION” was involved in reaching a UNANIMOUS decision, spoken by ONE DISCIPLE:

(Acts 15:19-21) Hence my decision is not to trouble those from the nations who are turning to God, 20 but to write them to abstain from things polluted by idols and from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood. 21 For from ancient times Moses has had in city after city those who preach him, because he is read aloud in the synagogues on every sabbath.”

See that, after a total concurrence was met in agreement by the “apostles and the older men together with the whole congregation”, THEN the decision, MY DECISION of James, was to settle this dispute, which originated by lack of any governance.

No, there is no “governing body” there or anywhere in the Bible is there? Nope, like Evolution or the Trinity, it was invented later, in this case 1944, among Jehovah’s witnesses, when the text states the parties as SEPARATE, and in unison of spirit.

The body that the Bible does mention is the anointed Christian body of the Christ, whom this modern “Governing Body” now overrides, steals authority from, and censures to be silent on all modern UN activity, for they are UN NGO boys in the GB, UN lovers, wildbeast worshippers.

And that is why Acts 15, stated, in the same manner of Matt’s logic, no “governing body” whatsoever, much less a Governing Body titled tyranny, and stated, individually, who it was that resolved that circumcision dispute, and it was “apostles and the older men together with the whole congregation”, no Governing Body involved.

1. apostles and

2. the older men together

3. with the whole congregation

See any “governing body” there? Nope.

And that is how JWs have also been uncircumcised retroactively and misled into apostasy by the King North backed Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses. (Dan11:32a)

An illegal, non-biblical, cabal of sinning power and money-grasping rogues. Nothing more, nothing less. Not found named in the Bible, except as the “man of lawlessness”, for a reason.

The same principles always apply, to find illegal insertions.


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I am aware of all that you speak about. But I would rather wait on Jah. I have read that book as well, I like it. Jehovah is the greatest Judge of all He will do what is necessary and at the right time. That’s what faith means. I am not concerned what people think of me, but I am concerned what Jehovah thinks of me. That’s why I tread lightly. Although I have done the practical things as well to spotlight the situation. The rest is in Jehovah’s hands. As Christians it is important to keep our hands clean. That is why I will not stoop to rogue outward resistance against God’s arrangement. Although I will not support distortions of truth either. And in the right time and place I make that known. But I will not unleash a smear campaign against everything connected to Jehovah’s name. I will not cross that line. This is about our personal integrity as well as theirs. I don’t know you really I don’t know what your real aim is. You seem to be consistent in your claims but I think you take things too far. But either way we have to wait and see.. After all we are not the authorities Jehovah and Jesus are..


It’s not a smear campiagn; Bethel is running that operation. (2Thess2:11-12)

It is a setting of the record, in the same manner as post-1919, when Christians went against the supposed Christendom “arrangement of God”, to expose its apostasy. Same with Bethel’s modern apostasy, it just repeats the same pattern, and the final witnessing must expose it, for the signal apostasy it is.

The Jewish Temple system, as bad as it got, was still God’s arrangement of that time. Christ and the apostles could be accused by your rationale of “going against the arrangement of God”, for the Pharisees accused them, and killed Christ, for those very charges of blasphemy.

But Christ and the apostles were just exposing the apostasy of their day, and in time God dusted that arrangement of His, HE is the one who was exposing it, for Christ spoke for God. Same in 1919, the anointed Christians who came forth with the Bible Students, did go against the arrangement of God, but God is who was tossing Christendom, they were not smearing the Popes, they were exposing what they were.

Same with Jehovah’s witnesses today. The “Governing Body” is the root of all evil in Jehovah’s witnesses today, they never have been “God’s arrangement”, but now they are “seated in the temple” making that grandiose blasphemous claim, so God is getting ready to toss this JW “arrangement” to prepare men for the Christ arrival, the Messianic Kingdom based replacement of all this folly, and the final “arrangement of God”.

Many people and JWs want to deny world government will complete, as foretold. But it will complete and it will trigger Christ. And you can bet your last breath of life, God will give a totally complete and valid warning before even world government arrives, so people can prepare for Christ is 100% total conquest power.

The “arrangement” is changing, and as before, God signals this transition with the judgment of his own house, as in 33-70CE, 1919 CE and the near future.


Apostate Jehovah’s witnesses are “set in opposition” to the real arrangement of God, and support the GB shutting up, expelling, and killing modern anointed Christians, and silencing their input from the modern JW ministry, in lieu of that GB farce.

JWs have chosen to follow disapproved men, and its illegal non-Biblical body, rather than the anointed body of the Christ, the ONLY “BODY” God has sanctioned as a ministerial authority in the Bible, and it is they who will herald the true meaning of the downfall of the GB, soon.

It will take a great judgment to wake that body up (Matt25:1-13), and not all will amke it, but enough will, and the expose of the JW apostasy, will be the subject matter, chapter 1, little scroll, of the final warning.

That will give it the oomph it needs, when our house is judged, exposed, and recovered FIRST in this process.

Jehovah’s witnesses will NEED to comprehend Daniel 8:13-14 as igniting Revelation 8:3-5, they will not simply recover on their own, and they will be REQUIRED to carry forth the final, true pre-Christ-arrival, second witnessing, of the final warning, and final global open salvation call, that comes with that warning, well before world government completes and well before Christ arrives, in total power, for real, to conclude this part of the arrangement”, for his total perfect and all powerful final Messianic Kingdom “Arrangement of God”.

World government is coming, then Christ, and Jehovah’s witnesses need to face the facts, and say so, THAT is why God has allowed this “operation of error” to go to all JWs, fro a test, and for a judgment, to see who it is we really worship, the GB, or God, period.


Uh oh, I think Nicodemus may have begun the conversation with that line. In all seriousness, we know why, and the brothers of that one are still here, and that one is gone from Earth, but returning most assuredly. Just, as per 2Thess2:1-2 and Matthew 24:6, Luke 21:9, not quite as soon as we may expect. But in the overall time scale, it is soon indeed, they just need to get on thing 100% done: The “scarlet wildbeast” in totality.

That totality is world government, and it MUST arrive before Jesus Christ, for it is also the complete epitome of “anti-Christ”, and not as the Christendom disinformation ambiguously tracks this. There are many “anti-Christs” as John said from God, but a certain climax definition will enthrone Satan as king in world government, and he will produce a counterfeit manifestation of himself as God and Christ, to help sell that final “disgusting thing” decoy.

The ONLY track Satan has, is to present the counterfeit, BEFORE the real thing arrives. He cannot wait until after Christ arrives, for then his deception would fail, and it has to run it course since Eden. Place you faith in God and Christ, NOT men, because men can be compromised and are fallible, God, Christ and ultimately God’s Word, is not fallible. Human error and disinformation is what tries to impede the prophecy, but as per Revelation 1:1, the prophecy is perfect, and it already gauges the “second witness” of the future, upon the first witness of 1914-1918.

It is not the date that matters, it was the message, a sovereign global warning of the Kingdom of God, to prepare mankind for Christ arrival. Christ will arrive that cannot be stalled or reversed, but the enemy must also complete their course too, and in their progress, is the to-be-fully-seen world awareness of world government arrival first.

That entity, will trigger the end, and its is not as soon as some are intimating.


[QUOTE who=”A Witness for Jesus”]Matthew Henry’s Concise Commentary on the Book of Revelation.
This commentary expresses what is the common understanding of the “locust” of Revelation chapter 9.
The Watchtower teaches that these “locust” symbolize their leaders and their preaching activities after 1919 A.D. They see the activities described in Revelation 9 as act of righteousness by righteous ‘actors’.
The opening verse reveals that these locust are unleashed by powers of darkness.
Revelation 9:1-12
sounding the fifth trumpet, a star fell from heaven to the earth. Having ceased to be a minister of Christ, he who is represented by this star becomes the minister of the devil; and lets loose the powers of hell against the churches of Christ. On the opening of the bottomless pit, there arose a great smoke. The devil carries on his designs by blinding the eyes of men, by putting out light and knowledge, and promoting ignorance and error. Out of this smoke there came a swarm of locusts, emblems of the devil’s agents, who promote superstition, idolatry, error, and cruelty. The trees and the grass, the true believers, whether young or more advanced, should be untouched. But a secret poison and infection in the soul, should rob many others of purity, and afterwards of peace. The locusts had no power to hurt those who had the seal of God. God’s all-powerful, distinguishing grace will keep his people from total and final apostacy. The power is limited to a short season; but it would be very sharp. In such events the faithful share the common calamity, but from the pestilence of error they might and would be safe. We collect from Scripture, that such errors were to try and prove the Christians, 1Co 11:19. And early writers plainly refer this to the first great host of corrupters who overspread the Christian church.

God aint wasting a chapter of Good Bible on Satan. The most written in one chunk on the Devil is at Ezekiel 28:12-18. And Satan aint no “king”, the Destroyer is. Ask the Assyrians who the Destroyer is. And after three years of Bethel desolations, you can ask the Illuminati who he is. He is a temple trespassers exterminating angel of the covenant is who he is.

The Destroyer causes the first woe, fifth trumpet AND the fifth plague on the throne of the wildbeast. The Destroyer is Satan’s worst nightmare, he will get him in the end too.

There is ONLY ONE TRUE “Destroyer” from God, the very epitome of the word, coming on Satan too, in his own destruction, in time.

Future Fifth Plague: The Destroyer Hits the Illuminati

Them creeps and fake anointed INSIDE of Bethel (Dan11:32a; Dan8:12), will also get a visit from him, come the end of “evening” of Daniel 8:13-14. The “morning”, and that Revelation 9 “abyss” opening up to let anointed Christians out of the temple judgment desolation phase, are the same thing. (Dan8:14,26)

Christ is who ceases the coming temple desolations, and cleans out the temple, in a very direct, albeit covert, manner.


Yes, at this time a massive salvation message has been constricted tighter than a snare drum by illegal FAKE ANOINTED, veritable anointed of Satan, up at Bethel.

I have more to say in support of your comment, but at this time I will say could God not foretell this very enemy infiltration, a weed choking blitzkrieg on the Jehovah’s witnesses ministry to pervert the truth?

No, there is a truth there, now buried in scandal and distractions, and this is GOD ALMIGHTY, he well knows the entire projection of Satan’s seed and all its potential well beyond Satan’s strategies, Satan himself and all his demons, are like TWO PENNIES to Jehovah, summed up, know better than they know themselevs, and every move in their chess game is KNOWN by God since he confronted Satan in Eden, with Genesis 3:15.

Satan lock of faith, is eptimoized by him doubting even 1/109 the power of the Almighty. His mistake, God allowed it, because there will come a day, Satan is just an anecdote, AS IF he never even exited whatsoever, meaningless other than upholding God’s side of the issue, stated in Eden in rebellion.

So, my point is, God is ALLOWING this, like a bear stepping into HIS TRAP.

[b](2 Thessalonians 2:11-12) . . .So that is why God lets an operation of error go to them, that they may get to believing the lie, 12 in order that they all may be judged because they did not believe the truth but took pleasure in unrighteousness.[/b]

And there it is. EVERYONE, including Jehovah’s witnesses is subject to assessment. And to find out what it is JWs are there for, and who it is they worship, we have had to be permitted to be tested. Now these doubts come from satan, as in the beginning, BUT as with Job, God does observe our reaction, even if He is not involved with being tested by evil, or using it Himself, he has allowed it even with the Christ, and as faultless Christ proved, Christ also submited to the test, and kept perfect moral intergity and perfect worship, that is “work for”, GOD.

But God does do somethign in response, Christ did nto ask to be King of the Universe, but that is what GOD made him. And although God is King of it All, Christ will forever be the universal King in the capacity he has accepted and been given, and he has not even barely started, with the changes he will be making, to the point God’s will, will “be done on Earth”, to the core of the Milky Way and this universe, to the bottom of an anthill, on every grain of sand and speck of dust on this here planet to its core, FOREVER.

Since that is forever, undergoing a similar TEMPORARY test, and a lawless aberration in the ministry , is not unreasonable. No, in fact, once are eys are opened, it only maks it all the more real, and real is what this thing will erupt into, and it will mow over the JW organization, because it outsins BTG, many times over, because it had known better, for real. ONLY THE PHARISEES and Satan himself, outsin Bethel.

Thus expect God to spring the trap, and expect the truth to shower down in the massive fallout the JW org ruination cycle will cause, because THAT is what God purposes. When JW attention, even in notoriety is peaking, THEN expect the truth fall out to radiate reality, and it cannot be stopped. Heck, it is the basis of the “second witness”, we see all the preparatory buildup, like massive brazen UN wild beast allied TOTAL APOSTASY—and that is no random coincidence brothers and sisters. The fuse is lit, the bomb is packed, Bethel is wired from head to foot, ALL THAT REMAINS is the explosion, the tsunami of total global blowback. They got everyone hating JWs, for smooching on those GB snakes the way they do, and defending their lawless crimes. And accident,

THAT is what this JW development will lead to, and Bethel agrees and states the same, but with a deceptive cover story. Hence, everyone and his mother and father agree, JWs are going down, even Bethel agrees. What does thatmean? Yep, it is coming, this is no accident.

Question is, what is the real story, rather than the cover story? We know what it is, it is square in general and specific prophecy of the nature and timing of this precursor apostasy, but a ton, a veritable boatloed of ALL KINDS OF CHRISTIANS, ARE TOTALLY GUESSING AT THIS TIME. And if one uses some imaginative thinking, and some empathy, then we can see JWs are also walking RIGHT INTO A “FAKE ARMAGEDDON” into a hoax, and God permits it, because worshiping a Pied Piper cabal of men, is what has been warned of, and is the “root of all evil” in the JW ministry, that cursed Governing Body contraption, that is all it is, a curse, and idol, and a folly that will climax, and attempt to be inherited by the CIA backed “GB helpers”, it is obvious there is more arms and heads on this hydra of a Pied Piper Viper we are now dealing with.

In other words, God gives real responsibility and with it comes real accountability, and real consequences, and that is what JWs have been led into, by lawless men who KNOW the serious nature of tis now communal sins. hence why also to FLEE NOW, as per Matthew 24:15. The apostates to shun are AT BETHEL, spiritually sick and diseased, moiney grubbing and limelight seeking BETH HELLLLL!!! THOSE leaders are who we shun, not beaten and worn down sheep! And in time we will successfully expose them, once that trap is sprung, and their mouths of damage control are shut for good.

That expose is the first paragraph of the second witness, it adds credibility when we lay out the true diclosed state of our own house, as God removes that “rafter”. Of course, once we admit our own sins, then we can give the full assessment to the overall meaning, because self-honesty is required. What kind of “witness” for God, turns a blind eye to sheep abuse and criminal rackets right on the temple floor of our own house? What kind of WITNESS is that? Nope, as God’s witness, we also say what we see, as lit up by Bible light.

And that is a test of honesty, because as with Israel, now horrible crimes, worse than the world, are now present, practiced, and condoned “in the temple”. No need to starin gnats, and act all holy, bull, these are CAMEL SIZE sins Bethel is gulping down, and has JWs sharing in it, for a good reason: consequences and accountability. They aer NOT “in the house” for NO GOOD REASON.

In time, on a physical level, by NOT turning on lied-to and beaten worn out JW sheep, we will be the only friends they have on Earth. We are NOT here to allow our emotions, to be projected on misled JWs, because of GB leaven. JWs are the target main victim. If they are in GB “good standing”, they are standing on the landmine, right where the GB and Satan want them, FIRST. So we have to take the diametric stance, as Christ will, because at this time, and to come, JWs aint got a single friend, IN REALITY, even God has had to turn enemy for a time!

And that until the lesson is learned, it is not fro any reason, God permits error at this scale. So in the JW “crash course” coming up, we need to exercise mercy and understanding, even if them JW numbskulls are insulting and hard to take at present. WHEN they are humbled, that leaf will turn. And so we do not want to do, what Satan and the G hope: that we curse and abandon JWs. True, we could, but int he sight of God, we know, He and Christ expect a heck of a lot more, than repaying shunning, just because dumbarse JWs were easily manipulated. We have to be way way better than the average JW, and be their moral superior, in sight of God, when the time comes, not as a boast, but a REALITY, because our eyes are open, we have no excuse to lump sum JWs, with the criminal rackets of the GB, THE LEADERS of this apostasy. (As frustrating as they may be, we have to see why that is the case.)

Even if they have a new bastard viper father in the GB brood, [i]and they DO[/i], they are still our brothers and sisters, and we know WHY they are duped. But that will get clearer when this “temple tsunami” hits and passes. The strategy of these Bethel vermin is predictable, we do not want to be as programmable by the reaction they seek to also inspire, as some are becoming. JWs will have enough JW org crash ramifications in itself, we don’t need to add insult to the injuries of the BETRAYAL that is coming.

We need to see right through JWs, and their hollow GB, it is a doomed entity, it ain’t got long. And we are in this assessment ourselves, we can keep in mind.


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Do you believe Israel’s priesthood was a governing body?
How could the apostles not be when “they will render an account” as ones taking the lead (in Christ’s congregation with many duties and offices of appointments)?

The clergies are run by governing bodies. We are talking titled entities, that become apostate, and are illegal from the getgo. The Pharisees and the Sanhedrin were just such a “body”, who also tried to use scriptures to justify their illegal lawless tyrannies.

And like them, God will not leave a stone upon a stone at Bethel, and he will also sweep away its illegal Pharisee and Cleric “Governing Body” of CEOs who will steal billions from JWs, for Kign North.

THAT is where the illegal operation, based on the simplest of errors, will lead at Bethel.

It will be Daniel 8:13-14. You can doubt it now, but you can check its temple judgment events, phasing ?(Dan8:26) and TIMING of 3.19 years minimum, desolations of the JW org, later. The whole prophecy is times for 6.38 years probable, half of which is “evening” desolations of UN NGO “transgression causing desolation” accounting.

JWs are so lost by this GB Seroquel lead, they think it is fine to join the UN, the UN is harmless, and they “have a nice library”, even if Bethel offers ZERO research on the UN, anyways.

It was all just the cover story, soon it is time to pay the bill. (Dan11:41)

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BTG was never God’s arrangement. I think you have some things wrong. The Bible does mention a FDS does it not? It also sounds like you are believing that God will accomplish his purposes without an organization. How could that ever be the case? I agree something is wrong but not to the degree you do. I believe Jehovah knows exactly how to sort the brood out. He knows what buttons to push to make what he wants to happen. The end will come as a thief in the night. It may not come as you see things. I said this before I will say it again you are taking a great risk deciding how it will go assuming the entire org is apostate. I think some may be, a small group inside maybe even more than apostate something totally different, using psychological warfare on the group. They are trying to splinter the org. Eventually they will be rooted out I am sure of it.

Christendom and BTG are TWO DIFFERNT THINGS. True Christendom was put in BTG, post 1919, by God, made official.

Indeed Christendom was God’s arrangement, for God judges things IN HIS HOUSE, and that is what post 1919 was.

They will be rooted out.

BUT, just because it is God’s arrangement, his “city”, does not mean He won’t leave no two stones on top of eachother.

If you think it is harmless to endores the UN as partner in UN NGO, you got another thing coming. That is how numb, the GB, have made JWs. They can’t even tell they went in with the wildebast, that is how far gone JWs have drifted.

Well you can bet your arse, God is not going to let that drift to hades, he will pound JWs, and that is what it will take to wake us up. It is what it is, JWs are in deep coma at this time.

EXPECT a slap in the face. (Rev11:1, Zech4:1)

What comes as a thief, is the temple judgment. The end of the world of the 8th King, gets full “two witnesses” warning, they KNOW what they are seeign at Revealtion 6:12-17, by that time.

The GB has misled you. The end does not come like a thief, God gives full warnign as he did with Noah. True, to total zombies it is a shock, but the world is not composed of zombies 100%, in fact, JWs are more asleep at this time, than many in the world.

THAT is who this temple judgment comes on in like a thief for, negligent dozing JWs. (Matt25:1-13)

But to form a global warning, of course God must FIRST wake up JWs. He will, we best be ready to respond and walk the walk.


In THAT WAY, that day, the temple judgment starting day, does not overcome us, as it would thieves.

And where are the thieves? At billion dollar Bethel, of course. (Exe7:22)

and as you full well know from Christ, the FIRST place he cleans out the thieves, is “at the temple”.

Be ready, it is near. And it is going to be OF BIBLICAL PROPORTIONS, get ready to see and feel a REAL judgment of God, LIVE AND REAL-TIME.

And God aint warning you early, He will EXPECT ACTION from YOU! Take it as a compliment.

The action comes when the “evening” turns to “morning” in Dan8:14,26. Don’t get flustered by the initial blasting salvos on Bethel, and DO NOT get scared to “obey the org as nuts as it may sound”.

They are PLANNING to swallow a lot of JWs who obey the SNAKE at Bethel.



[QUOTE who=”robert two”]<quoted text>
That sound likely to me.
What exactly is WTBTS ?
I am guessing .[/QUOTE]

The central umbrella corporation of JWs: Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. The same technique is how all the big corps are run, or where taken over. It all leads to a monopoly. Capitalism equates to corporate scale monopoly, which equate to full globalization complete, which equates to world government.

In the process “American dream”, and “free market”, and similar philosophies, cloaked where it is really going. Like a Monoply Game, it is pretty basic how financial and wealth control, leads to one winner. In this case one super-corporation composed of many.

So SDA and WTBTS both show symptoms, that something terribly wrong, has taken over their leadership. So I do this not to attack people and their religion shell, but to warn them, this thing has a coup stage. They are nto IN and LEADING these flocks for no good reason, is all I am saying, so people place faith in God, not men, or religious corporatism.

Weird and strange days are coming. The more you know this, the less predictable a person is, in those PREDICTABLE flocks. Predicting and forecasting reaction, is how this whole thing works, it is another basic principle of control.

When people make their own decision, they think it is not control. When that decision is programmed and predicted beforehand, it is actually control. Stress cycle on the whole system, is when they run their control algorithms. They don’t control every aspect o a person decision structure, just the ones that give over the corporate power, and its booty, that is the irst level o this coup cycle.

BUT the WTBTS is much worse off, in the money laundering stuff. In the future, far worse than the pedophiles, is the Bethel 20 billion dollar rackets, which will become part of their accelerated prosecution complex, for their corpoarte taeover. THAT is coming, the SDA thing I am not sure.

But when it does, then the rest of this analysis will have more credibility. So, just jot it down, its intent is to warn people of the basic process:

World government completes, and when it does, anytime after that, it will trigger Christ arrival, in a globally known set of circumstances fro very generic awareness he comes after they complete world government.

This just complete the logic, the churches easily could also complete, if they were not infiltrated, and because they are, of course, they will not make that simple summary. THAT is also why, they are taken over, from within. (Dan11:32a; 2Thess2:1-4)


[QUOTE who=”the Mad JW”]Idiots.
A man or woman abuses a kid- and they try to $ue the WTBS – when the PARENT didn’t call the Police.
There is more to it. What do JWs think? Satan and King North is done with them, just let them keep preaching as if paradise is one step away?

Think again.

The pedophile scandals allow bottom up prosecutions.

The rackets under charity front, allow top down prosecutions.

BOTH ugly beasts have raised their heads in the US/UK investigation sphere of influence.

Bethel used to tell JWs they would be the last entity attacked. But, in July 15, 2015 Watchtower, that all got shifted up to “soon, very soon”.


And JWs do not seem to notice, that is the biggest “new light” they have seen since red Franz died. And the reason is, Bethel internally knows they are going down, but by King North, not that deep phase world government attack they used to be speaking about.

And what that means, is the evil ones INSIDE of Bethel, have a handy cover story, and they presented it to JWs, but did not tell them how unique that July 15, 2015 Watchtower “new schedule” really is.

When the world starts its downturn into the “tribulation of those days”, they will then release both prongs Fo this siege on the WTBTS, like a Global Blitzkrieg Tsunami of Prosecutions.

Of course, as well set up, JWs will think that must be “the end”. But it is just Satan and King North, telling JWs, they ain’t forgot about ’em—MORE IS COMING, MORE IS REQUIRED FROM GOD. It will be the global JW org invasion of Daniel 11:41, as the temple judgment of Daniel 8:13-14, in the principle of Matthew 24:15.

You can’t make this stuff up! Truth is stranger than fiction. But neither Daniel 8:12, or Daniel 11:32a, is fictional, it is the way it is in the JW org, TODAY.

[QUOTE who=”pcloadletter”]<quoted text>
In his book The Origins of World War I Joachim Remak says: “Too much was right with the World of 1914: the nations, on the whole, had learned to live with the differences that divided them. . . . Nowhere, even in the summer of 1914, was a calculated, advance decision made for global war.”
History Professor René Albrecht-Carrié of Barnard College puts it this way: “The nineteenth century is now often regarded as a century of peace, a view certainly warranted by the contrast between it and our own time of cataclysmic strife.” Then he states: “That era sharply came to an end in 1914. The pace of change thereafter, the magnitude and the intensity of struggle, have been characteristic of the twentieth century.”
. As the foreword of the book The First World War by French General Richard Thoumin states:
“Never before had so many countries and such large armies faced each other in such gigantic battles; never had such high proportions of combatants been killed or maimed; never had man gone to war with such powerful weapons. . . .
“The blood and tears of the First World War changed the face of the earth.
“The First World War was the first ‘total’ war, and as such made a profound impact upon the minds of all participants. . . . Many of them even believed that they were participating in ‘the last’ of all wars! . . . Their supreme disillusionment, however, came some twenty years later when the voices of hatred summoned the obedient masses to a new and still greater slaughter.”
As the introduction to the English edition of the book Germany’s Aims in the First World War by professor Fritz Fischer of Hamburg notes: “Although the period since 1945 has been dominated by the problems left by the Second World War, more and more people, both among historians and the general public, have come to see the First World War as the crucial event in the first half of the twentieth century.”
Columnist Sydney J. Harris writes that ‘World War I involved countries comprising more than 90 percent of the world’s population.’ According to the Encyclopedia Americana, over 8,000,000 soldiers were killed in World War I and more than 12,000,000 civilians died by massacre, starvation or exposure.
“As time has passed since the days of August, 1914, it has become increasingly clear that the outbreak of the First World War meant the end of an age.”—The Norton History of Modern Europe.
“World War I—simply The Great War to its survivors—remains the watershed of modern history in men’s minds. . . . There is a kind of truth in the unconscious belief most people hold that Modern times began with World War I. It was the time when we lost our innocence.”—Montreal Gazette.

This final cycle of world war, will more closely resemble WW1 in significance, than the “Cold War”, which the Pentagon called “world war 3”.

But as far as WW2, and Cold War communism, it will be the US and EU who apply that model, this time.

But like the WW1 cycle resolved into the “League of Nations” first step to world government, WW4 will resolve into that actual world government entity.

But much of the same players, are still involved, as far as Russia being the furthest out of the NWO orbit, but that is all just as orchestrated as was the WW1 cast.

In the end, all of them will be “gathered” into world government, and that final “world peace” and security signal harginger of the Christ arrival, to settle this, once and for all time.

We will have another world war, for the “sword stroke” PRINCIPLE and final fulfillment o Revelation 13:3. And in that way, WW4 will totally resemble the same cycle, as WW1, because it is really, the same thing, just the final phase.

Same with Revelation 17:8-13, the UN will go into abyss, and come back up as the global center o world government “executive branch”.



On February 19, 16, I_know_better_now wrote:
> You don’t really know me and I really don’t know you.. I will only say this.
> Manipulation takes on many forms. It’s only a matter of time for the exposure
> to take place. Little by little the peeling is taking place. Eventually
> nakedness will happen. Like I said I don’t know you for all I know you could be
> the enemy. The one thing I will leave you with never underestimate Jehovah or
> those that he uses for you never know whether or not you entertain angels
> through his servants. And those that He chooses to use can do much, nothing is
> hidden that cannot be uncovered.

Underestimate Jehovah? Prophecy is telling you explicitly what He will do to DESTROY the Illuminati at Bethel! YOU are the one who needs help estimating what Jehovah is going to do, IN DETAIL.

Do you not check the prophecies themselves? We are heading into a set of global developments, milestones and circumstances that mean Christ arrives as the total climax. This is no joke, in time, for those surviving, we will SEE THE CHRIST and billions of angels fill that sky 1000s of times brighter and more glorious than the Sun.

The world is also going to see this, but Christ’s first mission has always been salvation first (Rev14:14-16), destruction last (Rev14:17-20).

Now this expose of what is going on in Bethel, the one out there in the world, the one the enemy system even promotes, to a certain degree, to stumble people, is peaking. It was not this bad in 1990, it was not this bad in even 2001, UNTIL that UN NGO came out.

That was also the time God gave, for now unheeded repentance. (Rev2:20-23) If Bethel was on the up and up, they would have responded to that UN NGO properly. But because they are UN allies inside of Bethel, they swept it under the rug.

Now God’s judgment is nearing, and He always starts with His house first. And that is why, since after 2001, th entire Bethel ball of wax is bring laid out, with many guesses as to what it means. In prophecy it is no guess at Daniel 8:12 and Daniel 11:32a as to what it means: IT MEANS THE ENEMY HAS GOTTEN INSIDE.

And Jehovah is not going to allow that much longer, heaven is silent, but only for a short period of time, on this matter. (Rev8:1)

JWs already have the first witnessing cycle of 1914-1918. That first fulfillment of applicable Revelation, REPEATS, because now instead of a “League of Nations” “image”, the real and whole thing of world government is coming.

Now the Revelation 9 DESTROYER is no joke, he is a Temple Trespasser Destroyer, and he signals the fifth trumpet instantiation, and its parallel, he pours the FIFTH PLAGUE on the “throne of the wildbeast” and ” darkens” it, by terminating key leading Illuminati in the anti-temple, and anti-JW GLOBAL OPERATION. That “their kingdom became darkened” is the DESTRUCTION of certain anti-temple oriented and world government rushing, illuminators. THAT is why the “throne of the wildbeast”, world government in developments, is DARKENED. Some lights get put out. They don’t mean sh*t, to the Destroyer, time to flush a few. (And they get this warning, BEFORE he drops in; this aint no joke here.)


BUT, that aint coming, until AFTER the temple judgment has passed that “evening” of darkness phase. (Dan8:13-14 has run half its course, the desolation “evening” half first; Dan8:26)

The implied symbolic darkness of the Rev9 abyss, is that temple judgment “the evening” of Daniel 8:14,26. Opening that “abyss”, is required to get JWs OUT of the KingNorth Illuminati guided attack. (Hos1:4-7, Isa31:8-8; Mic5:5-6) It will be accomplished by them angels of the trumpets and plagues, under Christ the Destroyer, to HIT the enemy system, not destroy it, but set it back to:

1. Release Jehovah’s witnesses, God: “LET MY PEOPLE GO NOW!”

2. Delay the world government rush-in objective, to make the wildbeast fit God’s final timeline. (Dan8:14; Dan12:7; Dan12:11)

3. Open the final 1260 days final warning, guaranteed by angels of God under temple cleansing Destroyer Christ.

So I TELL PEOPLE, what Jehovah will do. He will send out the Destroyer, and he will hit the enemy system, to make the final warning period of eventually that final 1260 days, CERTAIN. I ESTIMATE JEHOVAH, from prophecy, and if you don’t want to be underestimating Jehovah, you best start to believe and read prophecy. JWs have fallen way behind, if we cannot take criticism from God, then we need to reconsider being Jehovah’s witness, more changes will be required, for quite some time, to reach perfection.

How do you think that occurs? On its own? No, God POINTS OUT what MUST change, and then we admit it, and then HE CHANGES it by the power in Christ TO BE RIGHT. MIRACLE, assuming Christ’s former human and immortal spirit power “parts” that allow people to become perfect.

This is a temple judgment coming up FIRST, to BEGIN all these things, to allow full warning before Christ lights up the sky for real. It boils down to the fact, JWs have to make some big changes, BEFORE the privilege and commission of that final FULLY truthful warning will be given to them.


THAT is what you will see. And it will get so bad on the org, the Destroyer is the only one who can turn back “the ASssyrian” from getting all Jehovah’s witnesses globally. BUT, that is exactly what PROPHECY says he is going to do.

(Hosea 1:6-7) I shall no more show mercy again to the house of Israel (Bethel), because I shall positively take them away. 7 But to the house of Judah (global JWs, anointed in general) I shall show mercy, and I will save them by Jehovah their God; but I shall not save them by a bow or by a sword or by war, by horses or by horsemen.”

The Destroyer allows temple desolation, then he comes in and WIPES OUT the enemies INSIDE the temple arrangement (Isa66:6), and I mean DIRECTLY, and you can bet your life this is necessary to this degree, and will occur as the Daniel 8:13-14 “evening” runs its 3.19 years course.

Then the Rev9 abyss is opened, the “morning” implied light is seen by JWs, and the “morning” ADDITIONAL 3.19 year recovery begins, enroute to the eventual 1260 days. It is 1150 days “evening”, 1150 days “morning”, for 2300 days, 6.38 years, lunar 360 day a year count.


3 years of Jonah like drama (“sign of Jonah” given JWs), tossed overboard by sinner betrayer Bethel, allowed by God, is coming for ALL OF US Jehovah’s witnesses. At least you can know what it means, even NOW. (Hos6:1-3; Isa37:30-32; Dan8:14)

(Isaiah 37:30-32) “‘And this will be the sign for you: There will be an eating this year of the growth from spilled kernels, and in the second year grain that shoots up of itself; but in the third year sow seed, you people, and reap, and plant vineyards and eat their fruitage. 31 And those who escape of the house of Judah, those who are left remaining, will certainly take root downward and produce fruitage upward. 32 For out of Jerusalem a remnant will go forth and those who escape out of Mount Zion. The very zeal of Jehovah of armies will do this.

That is three years as a sign, DURING that abyss stay, Daniel 8:14,26 “evening”. BUT, healing was also in the sign, and the sign was dual, TWO SIGNS were given for the removal of the Assyrian threat:

(Isaiah 38:4-8) And the word of Jehovah now occurred to Isaiah, saying: 5 “Go, and you must say to Hezekiah, ‘This is what Jehovah the God of David your forefather has said: “I have heard your prayer. I have seen your tears. Here I am adding onto your days fifteen years; 6 and out of the palm of the king of Assyria I shall deliver you and this city, and I will defend this city. 7 And this is the sign for you from Jehovah that Jehovah will perform this word that he has spoken: 8 Here I am making the shadow of the steps that had gone down on the steps [of the stairs] of Ahaz by the sun retrace backward ten steps.”’” And the sun gradually went back ten steps on the steps [of the stairs] that it had gone down.

And imo, JWs will get literally fifteen years. That is probably how long it takes Daniel 8:14 and Daniel 12:7 to lead to Christ arrival in Daniel 12:11. More years are required, and more witnessing:

(Revelation 10:11) And they say to me: “You must prophesy again with regard to peoples and nations and tongues and many kings.”

I really do not understand your stubborn and snobbish attitude. I guess you typify why JWs must be humbled greatly, before they can serve God with approval. After all this takes place, then you will know what it means. (Eze33:33) We best get ready for strokes. This is not going to be a picnic.


On February 19, 16, I_know_better_now wrote:
> I will do what I think is right. But most importantly what Jehovah wants me to
> do. He will open the door not me.


Daniel 8:13-14 will prove itself, as being from God, for a temple judgment guide, for Jehovah’s witnesses and others, now and in the future.

Because there will be doubters, and it will be shocking for JWs to accept this,

1. it is TIMED, and

2. it is PHASED, “THE evening” and “THE morning”: (Dan8:14) and:

(Daniel 8:26) . . .“And the thing seen concerning THE evening and THE morning, which has been said, IT IS TRUE. And you, for your part, keep secret the vision, because it is yet for many days.”

3. And it involves “trampling” events that will be verifiable. (Dan8:13; Dan11:41)

Well them “many days” have passed. (And THAT is why this prophecy, made Daniel “sick for days”, it is THAT big)

(Daniel 8:27) And as for me, Daniel, I felt exhausted…

1. There will be “evening” PHASE (3.19 years) of not understanding fully, desoaltions, darkness (Rev9 “abyss” state on JWs), and

2. Then there will be “the morning” of understanding (Rev9 abyss OPENED UP), recovery and repentance and getting it done as it leads to the FINAL GLOBAL WARNING OF ALL TIME! Possibly 3.19 years also, “morning” phase, BEFORE the final warning can be cleansed and ready, hence the “RIGHT CONDITION” of Daniel 8:14. This may take 6.38 years, or 2300 days, the propehcy is somewhat cryptic. Thus we need to PAY ATTENTION to it.

That all leads to that final 1260 days (Dan7:25; Dan12:7; Rev11:2-3; Rev12:14; Rev13:5-7 ALL PARALLEL events). It is the “two witnesses” guaranteed final “second witness” warning. (Rev11:2-3). And ALL those temple events, will have passed, evening and morning wholeness complete, and will add GREAT credibility, to that final warning’s “little scroll”. Commissioned first (Rev10), then deployed (Rev11:3), angel backed “trumpet 6” finale portion, prior to 7th trumpet Christ conquest. (Rev11:15)

THAT is why God let this error get this bad, the recovery will also be BIG, when it hits, angel backed, guaranteed.

ANGELS are coming in to clean up this temple of all fake impostors. Keep that in mind, as in Zechariah 1, they are NOW in the “deep place”, in this night, outside of “Jerusalem”, and they KNOW who they will be out to hit, where, and when.

This is all real. Wait and see what happens when they hit the temple trespassers, as that “evening” 3.19 years expires. (Isa66:6; Zech9:8)

(Zechariah 9:8) . . .And I will encamp as an outpost for my house, so that there will be NO ONE passing through and NO ONE returning; and there will NO MORE pass through them a taskmaster, for now I have seen [it] with my eyes.

Them “campers” are “Destroyer” ANGELS of Jehovah and Christ himself, in covert, temple recovery, form. THAT is what these trespassers have in store for them. It will be needed.

It’s coming for the impostors, to kill some of them, and escort the others OUT!


[QUOTE who=”pcloadletter”]<quoted text>
That would make sense to precede the announcement of “Peace and Security”. [/QUOTE]

Yes, the REAL “peace and security” is the world government slogan, when they are COMPLETE, NOT before.

Bethel is trying to sell a REQUIRED crash and global crisis, AS IF that is the end, to bypass the fact this takes some more years AFTER the crash, to complete world government.

And you may very well hear FAKE PEACE AND SECURITY SOON, to make JWs and others, think this cycle’s first phase, is really the end.

They are HOAXING JWs, to crash the org, and tell them “it is the end”, as the cover story.

We have world war coming. And it resolves, as before,. BUT THIS TIME, it resolves into world government. AND the global sovereign “its world peace everyone” statement, to help sell the 666, under hopeful and positive developments.

See Isaiah 41.

(Isaiah 41:1) . . .“Attend to me in silence, YOU islands; and let national groups themselves regain power. Let them approach. At that time let them speak. Let us come up close together for the judgment itself.

After that sword-stroke world war, the nations “regain power”, BEFORE “the judgment itself”, that is the world judgment totality.

Bethel is BYPASSING this logic, for the premature end DELUSION of 2Thess2:1-2. As per 2 Thess2:3-4, their apostasy must be revealed well before Christ arrival. And thus before world government.


The thing about smoking, is it is popular, and it is a way to filter out people from the flock, on a “beyond the things written” basis.

It should be left to the conscience and common sense, as there are other “Bethel Rules” that also breech the Bible basis.

It was a way to thin the flock. JWs would not have the worst retention rate of all religions on planet Earth, without some intelligent planning to do just that. The GB entity is not Biblical, it is a falsehood from the get-go, a clergy guiding body, same as Christendom, and thus them being in disapproval, is no surprise. NEVER will God accept a lie, which the GB is (2Thess2:11-12), and because a lie has no blessing in it, Satan has used the GB “in” as the entry point into the JW ministry.

The rest of the criminal activity precedes the judgment, throwing this warning to the wind:

(1 Peter 4:15-17) However, let none of you suffer as a murderer or a thief or an evildoer or as a busybody in other people’s matters. 16 But if [he suffers] as a Christian, let him not feel shame, but let him keep on glorifying God in this name. 17 For it is the appointed time for the judgment to start with the house of God.

Unfortunately much JW suffering coming, and even now in reproach, is due to similar lawless acts as promoted by the GB. Contrary to Peter’s warning, Bethel is embroiled in real crimes, before the final temple judgment cycle begins.

It will be so big, and JWs are so hard to get through to, this will take a few years to resolve, from the time Bethel goes under full blown “trampling” judgment, hence Daniel 8:13-14, and its events, phasing, and TIMING.

(1 Peter 4:17-18) Now if it starts first with us, what will the end be of those who are not obedient to the good news of God? 18 “And if the righteous [man] is being saved with difficulty, where will the ungodly [man] and the sinner make a showing?

Thus the truth is, JWs are being saved with difficulty. Denial, is what exacerbates this process, of why it will take JWs, so long to finally catch on, to who screwed them. (2Thess2:3-4)

EVERYTHING about that prophecy, is now active at Bethel, and in JWs, as led by men who have eclipsed prophecy, as the authority JWs ONLY listen to, not the Bible, not prophecy, that is all just used as a GB cover story prop.

JWs used to track and respect prophecy, which already exposes who leads this apostasy:

(Daniel 11:32) “And those who are acting wickedly against [the] covenant, he (KING NORTH) will lead into apostasy by means of smooth words.

The GB “smooth words” and silence, justify criminal behavior, and remain silent, and so JWs listen to the cover story, while they ignore checking prophecy. JWs listen to the GB, not prophecy.


JWs are public enemy due to criminal activity at Bethel, and the hypocrisy, and the reproach. It aint a “Kingdom message” or a “Kingdom stand” anymore, it is a GB damage control priority. THAT is how the GB distracts from the original Kingdom message. Everything has changed since especially 1990. This is not a “right condition” for the “temple”, at this time, that is coming, in time. (Dan8:14)

The GB will not be permitted to stay, “in the temple”, much longer. Now you can doubt this now, but future shocking events will affirm this, and at that time, you can consider prophecy. In time, all JWs will have to clean up the act. The GB will be the example, and none of them “helpers” are going to make it either, it is all CIA-like ops. ALL OF THEM. There goal, is to kill as many anointed, as they can, and JWs in general.

But the Destroyer, pays them the “temple visit”, in time, first in the final cycle process. He will be necessary in such capacity. (Hos1:4-7; Zech3:4-5)

Of course, in time, after you see all this, you have information JWs will sorely need, their “deliverance” is nto quite as near, or soon, as they have been misled to think. So you will be called into the recovery, just DO NOT go where they will be sending JWs, THAT is NOT God’s deliverance, that is a deliverance to the enemy.


Geez. I’d go door to door, find some studious “born again”, have some fun downing the trinity philosophies, and understand the guy did not want to toss “all his books”. I thought they were in denial, and oblivious to reality. That is, until I tried to explain to JWs, that UN NGO and its GB priests are worse than Christendom, because the GB and JWs KNEW BETTER than the dolts running Christendom academia.

Want to talk to a stone deaf and blind wall? Try to expose the sins of JW’s own house. Man. They are really deeper in denial than a trinity thumping born again.

Thought I’d seen it all, until I saw a disappointed or threatened JW protecting their basket of rotten eggs, so as to keep their ear tickled properly, by their GB Super Fly.

The lesson?

JWs are Adamic. Reasonable, as long as they retain their self-righteous delusion. Jehovah’s witness from the 3 inches above the eyebrows up, even their brain don’t work honestly any longer.

The sad thing is, JWs were NOT always like this, because they did not always have GB sins to cover for. The JW ministry, is now just a Gb Damage Control Plan, that is all, it has been diverted, by the GB scandal mill.

And that kind of apostasy, takes intelligent design at Bethel. (Zech3:1-3) JWs are now blatantly dishonest and spin wafflers, for GB damage control. WHAT kind of “witness” is a dishonest and blind Jehovah’s witness?

One that is not really a “witness” to the sins in his own house, and the fouls on his own team. You think God wants to use that example, for 30 billion resurrected ones?


JWs will have to change, it will be a JW Crash Course in Honesty, Honesty 101. (Dan8:13-14)

Welcome to the “Christian Life” of the New Fangled Jehovah’s Witnesses of today.

[QUOTE who=”Ken521″]
The Watchtower, January 1, 1942 Issue, Page 5:
“God uses The Watchtower to communicate to his people: it does not consist of men’s opinions”
The Watchtower, June 15, 1957 Issue, Page 370:
“Respond to the directions of the organization as you would the voice of God”
and with that we have:
“The apostle Paul was spearheading the Christian missionary activity. He was also laying a foundation for a work that would be completed in our 20th century.” The Watchtower, January 1, 1989, p. 12.
Has any of that proved true wt drones?

Well some JWs do now obey the org, as if God, that is how they milked and enslaved JWs to the tune of 30 billion dollars, in just 30 years of donation and free labor expansion, and lucrative real estate and equities investing, with a nice Goldman and Chase relationship for top level investment direction and ISDA level hedge tables.

Now the world government of human means does have a time limit, so it can be said the Watchtower was a public document of the Sovereign KINGDOM Ultimatum of God.

And the “20th century” mistake, just means world government completes in the 21st century, and the whole prophecy is wrapped up in whole.

Now that UN-Bethel has devolved into an apostasy, the prophecy pattern of:

1. Valid divine ministry and warning gone into apostasy>>>
2. Judgment! (Dan8:13-14; Zech3:4-5; 2300 days, 1150 days min)
3. Recovery to the final warning. (Witness 2.0 of the “TWO witnesses”; 1260 days)
4. Global crash to “heal” into the next government; (8th King world government)
5. Christ arrival (in the Dan12:11 1290 days active)

has pretty much emerged, AND IS NOW ALREADY REPEATING, in JWs. One cannot compare today’s CEO adoring, UN NGO toting, GB milking JWs, to those that heralded the Kingdom of God invitation, while exposing United Nations 1945, as prophecy, no way, now how; today’s UN-toting-and-pedophile-harboring-reproach-anddistracting-JWs are a hollow shell, of former JEHOVAH’S witnesses.

So JWs are prime for judgment, the JW org has been deified to idol proportions, we are at the brink of a world war to cover up a 2008-like global financial crisis to the 3rd power (Dan11:42-43), as Bethel money laundering and pedophiles are about to bring on a tsunami of real legal actions. (Dan11:41)

So the “Watchtower” is now the darkened dungeon journal of a “Governing Body” of shameless thieves and false priests (Rev2:2; Rev8:10-11), “Awake!” is a retrograded backward journal of pure distraction with ZERO insight, and together the Watchtower and WTBTS is now a Bethel corporate device of JW smoke-screening and coma. THEY are the main FINAL apostasy signal. (2Thess2:1-4)

BUT the original sovereign warning of God and Christ, the REAL GOVERNMENT coming to planet Earth, in time, is still valid, and will be revisited in “second witnessing” manner of the two witnesses conclusion, AFTER JWs are judged in the temple judgment precursor to the Christ arrival.

This crash and world war coming up, will define the first domino to start the falling events, that lead to world “healing” recovery, to present world government, all mummed on the sell out lips of UN-JWs.

The downfall of Bethel, under immense divine judgment of disapproval, is the first domino to fall, to trigger a chain reaction of events, circumstances and milestones to clue people in, Christ arrives AFTER world government is complete (Dan2; Rev13; Rev17:8-18), stated (1Thess5:1-3 “world peace everyone!” under world government), and globally active. (Rev13:15-18; Rev17:11-18; Dan12:11; Dan11:45; Dan8:25)

JW downfall and judgment (Dan8:13-14; Dan11:41; Zech3:4-5; Mal3:1-5; Eze10; Rev8:3-5) will:

1. Manifest and garner great global attention

2. Start Revelation 8 as the Revelation 8-11 final seven trumpet gauging to Christ arrival

9090903. provide the context global signal (1Pet4:17), of the final warning of all time. (Rev10-11; Zech3:4-9)

JW Current Apostate Status and Final Temple Judgment – Web Witnessing Record; The Bethel Apostasy is Prophecy

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