January 2016

8585> The seven plagues in Revelation is much the same as the ten plagues in Exodus
> and are directed at the same group. When the last of the plagues are finished
> today BTG and her prophets and bankers will be finished as Egypt kings were in
> Moses day. Saving gold in hard assets is false security for the NWO because it
> is God who is sending the plagues. The end for BTG will be after the harvest
> and righteous are secured by Jesus. That will be between events of Revelation
> 17:12-17. KN must come to his end before the mark 666 of satans body that
> defiled the world is loosened from the Church. It is just like Moses and the
> Hebrews exodus. It has to happen that way.
> Agape

By paying attention to the Franz harmonizations, we can actually see all the main principles of global development, because God is no idiot when it comes to using prophecy, to explain the main global development PRINCIPLES, as well as the world power entities to track.

Now due to chopping off Ray Franz from the Fred Franz potential “pass the torch”, and the lack of globalization understanding which emerged after 1990, Fred was not able to connect the final easy dots.

But we will have to. The nation-state system is as old as the hills now. The globalist system is the final system, the “new” “world order”. And God has BOTH of those systems in development as King South “old” and King North “new”, in Daniel. As Revelation absorbs Daniel’s forecast, as both come into modern times, the 7th King “old” and 8th King “new” continues the theme of this core global principle, of the “old world order” being capitalized and globalized to meet the objective of the “new world order”.

They keep “pushing” each other, but the globalists are stronger.

(Daniel 11:40) “And in the time of [the] end the king of the south will engage with him in a pushing, and against him the king of the north…

The “Egypt” symbol in Daniel 11:42-43 is the nation-state implied “King South”, because in physical “Egypt” is where the King South first capital is, in Daniel 11.

But in Daniel 11, this implied “King South” becomes a “she”, an implied “Queen South”:

(Daniel 11:42-43) And he will keep thrusting out his hand against the lands; and as regards the land of Egypt, SHE will NOT prove to be an escapee.

SHE, in other words, is CAPTURED by King North in this global chess game.

43 And he will actually rule over the hidden treasures of the gold and the silver and over all the desirable things of Egypt. And the Libyans and the Ethiopians will be at his steps.

So that is why WTBTS was able to say “neither KS or KN prevail”. But that is not true, KN prevails by a checkmate of the old world system, for its final use. Only KS is to crash, globalist KN will emerge with 100% global ownership, to complete world government.

In finality all the now partial symbols of “King North”, the “8th King”, “scarlet wildbeast” and so on, MUST be complete symbols. Thus BTG rides the wildbeast, but she will also ride a COMPLETE scarlet wildbeast of a completion.

Though many think the NWO will be overcome by to-be-Queen-South, they will not be overcome. They will get so strong they will outlaw not just Christianity, but all global religion other than their Luciferean Satanism.

But this thing having to run its complete course, is how many people will have their eyes opened by the inevitable. When God and Christ arrive, they will depose the rival completion. That is the logic many will be arriving at, before they arrive, in generic manner. BTG going down, frees up some final prisoners, “a tenth the city”. (Rev11:13)

That basic principle is missed by JWs. BTG going down, will aid Christ’s getting more sheep, because they will have no religions, and they will only have GOD to save them, because more than just “Israel” was freed when old Babylon went down.


> I am discussing Bethel’s judgment with TJWandDiva25 and I think he said he was
> anointed. He also said he knows the Bible better than I will ever know. But do
> you know what I think. The GB troll Topix from time to time as elders and other
> spies? I think he is Gregory Jackson. I may be way off track but its a feeling
> I keep getting with him. People behind screen names all are anonymous and they
> can be whoever they want. He wants to say temple judgment is not a building but
> it was in Ezekiel 40-48. He wants to say Peter will be judged too but Isaiah,
> Jeremiah, and Daniel weren’t. So how is it a GB can’t see that?
> Agape

Yes the “first impression” they give, must be questioned. What agent or apostate from Bethel, i going to say who they are right?

When ZERO BASIC LOGIC can affect a person, like water off a duck, I also come to th same conclusion, that there are web agents out here. And imo King is also a Masonic web agent, and so is Cedars. But that is my opinion, but I have reasons to think it.

In any event, if they undermine 1914-1919 First Witness, I do not care where they may come from, they serve the same purpose to destroy and “harass” (Dan7:25) the First Witness. So whether they are agents, or “autrpilot error”, it serves the same purpose.

And when someone, with Robert King as an example, takes the time in pretty much most of his articles, to knock 1914-1918, by aid of mixed in truth used to give the 1914 discredting “credibility”, then I become suspect.

NO WAY IS GOD GOING WITH A FORECAST, THAT DESTROYS AND ATTACKS THE FIRST WITNESS. If they cannot see the first witness REQUIREMENT and VALIDITY at this time, they are either allowed to be blind (and may wake up later AND have the “oil” of final “light”; Matt25:1-13), or are on the road to “foolish virgin” rejection (they wake up, but they never see the light), or they are IN ON IT.

But that is why “the cry arose in the middle of the night” by temple judgment MEGA-EVENTS, to WAKE UP ALL, to be approved, and to be rejected, so that others may “see” the “light” of the five discreet virgins, as it refills, and light up.

Now the OIL is the FIRST WITNESS, no two ways about it. PRESERVING and RESERVING that “OIL” is how the SECOND WITNESS will light up upon the SAME OIL, we just need to have the “first witness reserve tank” READY for such future use.

If they do not DEFEND and “see” the first witness, then they are not in that base oil, and its light, no two ways about it. They may come in later, but for now THEIR FAKE “OIL” IS TO BE REJECTED.

Our task, is to defend the First Witness truths, because they are the same pattern and prophecy core, for the final witness. There is no tossing the whole JW ministry in the dump, just the apostasy. Many use the apostasy, to toss the bathwater and the baby.

So we NEED to be “innocent as doves”, BUT ALSO “cautious as serpents”, because many fakes and misled are out here, and not many are yet seeing all this, as the first witness is being bombed and attempted to be discredited by pretty much everyone who has two cents to toss in on the JW problem.

But, to us, OF COURSE, they will attack witness 1. That is ALL they can do! It just makes it all the more real, as witness 2 will also affirm in time, when God backs the second witness, as well as He did the first.

(btw, TJWandDiva25 has sent me PM’d with veiled threats of “judgment”; I just stated what I always state in reply)


We KNOW the first witness and second witness is the basic meaning of the “TWO witnesses” TOTALITY, yet to complete. Christ is getting very very close to the temple, first. Resistance is just part of the truth, that they will be there, lying. It just makes it MORE REAL! And REAL, it IS.

Thanks I will watch it, and read. I have had a few Bible Students contact me, and I stated they “Jehovah’s witnesses” LABEL, though a reality, does not limit God’s view of who He is using, or going to use in the future.

By now we KNOW truth and error must occur together as sure as wheat and weeds and potential sheep and goats. GOD makes the final call, as Christ is appointed GLOBAL judge. And now we also have, in that truth and error REALITY, certain PRINCIPLES, that we can now fully be aware of. This is because we discern what is error, and what truth and principles of global and kingdom development to keep.

The 1914 based truth, and that from 1874, completed the principle of exposing and removing the core “Christendom” errors, for the basics. Charles Russell was the most effective global preacher, for his own era and to today, since the apostle Paul. Those BASICS, and PRINCIPLES God allowed and aided him to found, must be retained for a “proper foundation”.

From there, many have the foundation, in spite of the problems that have emerged from “men who cause divisions” in the JW org, and we must “not judge anything before the Lord arrives”, we cannot know who is who, in detail. We see the fruitage, we see the divisions, we see the problems in the modern JW ministry, and problems since after Russell’s death, because weeds are all over the place.

Thus, as with Job, “un-covenanted” as far as Israel, but obviously in a personal covenant with God Almighty, we have the PRINCIPLE, that God WILL ASSESS every person of Earth, as sure as Satan has tested every human of earth, in various ways. God’s coming CYCLE of judgments, WELL BEFORE THE END, will begin to appeal to his “other sheep” PRINCIPLE, that there are individual “sheep” out there, that must iun time “BECOME on flock”. They are not one flock, like the consecrated “little flock”, at this time.

We can respect the PRINCIPLE, without getting derailed into arguments. The principle is, God has other sheep and “MY PEOPLE” STILL in BTG, all the way until world government outlaws global religions. WE MUST promote a BIG OPEN SALVATION TO ALL PEOPLE, and ALL CHRISTIANS, rather than a “our team” versus “their team” DIVISION.

It is a FAITH, not a “religion”. “Religion” “team labels” is the first step to divisions. The “church” building, is the first step to physical idolatry. Faith and “congregation” are spiritual realities, that the Devil soon packages into “religions” and “churches”, as the human inclination is to require visual representations and “team brandings” to believe they are worshiping God. In time, they start to worship “religion”, and physical symbols of the religion.

But with God, His “vision” is not eclipsed by such divisions and veneers is it? No, He assesses all mankind, and He understand the variou divisional and traditional limitations placed on all people. We have to endeavor to “see” as God “sees”, and not let visuals and modern idols, distract out focus, on God and Christ, but also on the big salvation to come.

God CANNOT just preserve people by a “religious label”, He will create a global context to appeal to many people, in the most basic ways, as the advancement of the “second witness” of the “two witnesses” comes forth in time. 1914-1918 was the first witness that many Bible students accept, but in time it was hi-jacked by Bethel. We do not know every detail, we know many truths continued with JWs, but many truths continued with all the Bible Students as well. It seems there was intrigues designed to sow seeds at Bethel, while cutting out people who should not have been cut out. When it comes to JWs, you do not leave, you get kicked out, PERIOD. Yes you can try to leave, but if it enters their illegal “legal” congregational channels, many get the boot. True some fade, but the point is, “gnat straining” and self righteous elements have influenced the JW ministry “gradually given over” (Dan8:12), to the total scandal ridden “disgusting thing” (principle), the JW org is today. It was not overnight. And it will not escape the Daniel 8:13-14 judgment.

At the same time, many Bible Student groups, have I assume, kept greater unity, but of course “weeds” are everywhere, as Jesus said “the field is the world”, in principle. But they will be given full opportunity for the “second witness”, that will emerge upon Bethel getting the justice they need, that is a mega-judgment of God on the now full-apostate, UN-allied, JW Organization. Many will be exonerated, when Bethel is indicted, sentenced (already (Zech3:1-3)), judged AND EXPOSED in that “Second witness”. We cannot know yet, what human aids, God will employ, as I did in Russell’s day, employ human and secular tools.

Thus there was not reason to be divided, it is the wrong elements INSIDE OF BETHEL, that has GRADUALLY AND PROGRESSIVELY, now totally ruined the JW ministry and reputation. (Zech3:3) But as with using “Christendom”, God will use “Bethel”, because there always needs to be an “epicenter” of the CAUSE of His judgment. Bethel is of the proper global scale and notoriety, to garner the proper scale of global attention, when and after Bethel is “sacked” (Dan11:41; Dan8:13-14), because God will use that period (Dan8:13-14; Rev8:3-5), to awaken all “ten virgins”, and all people affected as such. (Hag2:7)

Not all “ten virgins” make the Temple Judgment approval. Thus OTHERS are candidate for anointing and participation, regardless of their future aspirations in God’s purpose. Beth Hell’s Judgment, will mean an anointed depletion, “five foolish virgins” worth, and much of it is a bad attitude, which the GB promotes, a self righteous and cold attitude, and now God will call them ice cubes out to the over of the weeds. Mnay JWs have now adopted the same “holier than thou” attitude. (2Thess2:11-12)

It is for a purpose. Not everyone, has allowed that attitude an spirit to afefct them, to the degree of rejection. And the temple judgment is for the purpose of cleansing and repentance, for the final warning clarification to emerge from Bethel’s downfall, as the enemy “starnger’s voice” is silenced from Bethel’s shut mouth.

(Hosea 4:5) And I will put your mother to silence.

Daniel 8:13-14 is phased (Dan8:26) and timed, to help doubters to come to full awareness, as and after it runs its course. And it will be in the Daniel 11, Daniel 11:42 position. NOT “Daniel 11:44 brothers! it must be the end! look no further!”, which Bethel is priming JWs to believe in deceptive error (2Thess2:1-2), so the Bethel apostates and impostor renegades have a “its the end brothers!” smokescreen for the Bethel downfall events.

> TJWandDiva25 is very suspicious. He keeps asking me what is my part in Bethel
> judgment but 100 percent fails to answer or respond to me with scriptures
> except with trivial posts. He denies the “temple judgment” and refuses to make
> counterclaims with scriptures. He is smart I can tell but addresses with
> trivial responses. That is suspicious.

It may be the other poster who is a JW-apologist, who claims to have gone to Yale.

You know what that means, or implies affiliation with. It may have been TJW, I cannot remember the ID, but SOS was questioning him with that Yale university subject matter.

But of course this is an “onion” operation. Inside of Bethel is the onion “core”, from there there are external “secondary errors”, “damage control”, and so on, as the “out layers” of the “onion”, with 1 target: JWs, and those interested in JWs ministry, and those stumbling out into those outer “rings”.

All disinformation operations use this kind of model. The internal core at apostate Bethel, feeds out the dirt and damage control, to the external “engineers of doubt”, and diffusion of consensus.

The external layers are elaborate in web and media “outputs” (and even use of “bots”, that is programs that spam out the info on the web), and as with all “web promotion” it employs “internet presence” in the published content target.

But it employs paid, self motivated, web-robot, and accidental web promoters to go out and CONSTANTLY post content to blogs, forums, videos, and so on. They are called “spammers” by some, but they are just promoters using the web to disseminate the content, IN AN ORGANIZED MANNER, employing SEO techniques. (Search Engine Optimization)

And it ALL adds up, so people find it, and think something in that “first reaction”. The Cedars and Barbara Anderson types, are the web information bases, to which people are then referred in the promotion.

I was a Web SEO specialist, so I know that it is a science, it is effective, it is advanced, and most people do not understand how the web does have a great information impact on others, GLOBALLY, employing the science of SEO, and CONSTANT new “content” being fed out regularly.

JWville has a HUGE amount of this kind of disinformation now surrounding the ministry, like that proverbial “onion”.

We employ the same things when using the web to do our testimony. JWs and others, sometimes have little idea, how effective the web can be, and how many people one single comment can reach. Well the expert enemy, KNOWS all this like the back of their hand, they stumble more people by use of the Web, than there are JWs in total. That is how effective this has been, and will be, for the enemy ORGANIZED AND PLANNED campaign.



[QUOTE who=”AuldSoul1″]One question further, 01BlackSheep, cinches the whole deal:
Q: Did Jerusalem need to be destroyed at all in order for the seventy years of devastation to be fulfilled? (Jeremiah 27)

A: No.

And Nebuchadnezzar did not ascend into crown prince until 607 BCE, as his dynasty is the first 70 year “seven time” marker.

Thus Jeremiah did not preach in vain, Jerusalem could have repented before God and submitted to Babylon, and the “seven times” still would have fulfilled.

And we know the “word of Jehovah” started to be fulfilled in Jehoiakim’s gentile-placed reign:

(2 Chronicles 36:5-8) Twenty-five years old was Jehoiakim when he began to reign, and for eleven years he reigned in Jerusalem; and he continued to do what was bad in the eyes of Jehovah his God. 6 Against him Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon came up that he might bind him with two fetters of copper to carry him off to Babylon.

7 And some of the utensils of the house of Jehovah Nebuchadnezzar brought to Babylon and then put them in his palace in Babylon. 8 As for the rest of the affairs of Jehoiakim and his detestable things that he did and what was to be found against him, there they are written in the Book of the Kings of Israel and Judah; and Jehoiachin his son began to reign in place of him.

But the 2 King’s account adds a few details to know when the timing began:

(2 Kings 24:1-4) In his days Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon came up, and so Jehoiakim became his servant for three years. However, he turned back and rebelled against him. 2 And Jehovah BEGAN to send against him marauder bands of Chaldeans and marauder bands of Syrians and marauder bands of Moabites and marauder bands of the sons of Ammon, and he kept sending them against Judah >to destroy it<, ACCORDING TO JEHOVAH’S WORD that he had spoken by means of his servants the prophets.

3 It was ONLY BY THE ORDER of Jehovah that it took place against Judah, to remove it from his sight for the sins of Manasseh, according to all that he had done; 4 and also [for] the innocent blood that he had shed, so that he filled Jerusalem with innocent blood, and Jehovah did not consent to grant forgiveness.

Now Jehoiakim was placed by Egyptian Necho II, assimilated as vassal by implication to Neb with his ascension over the region, with his ascension into vice-regency in 607 BCE.

Since Babylon had enough to deal with in Egypt and Assyria’s subjection, Jerusalem was “back burner” for a while, offered full vassalship in peaceful submission, until Neb (and God) finally had enough of them after 20 years of back-sliding against both God and Neb.

So God allowed Jerusalem to finally go to the limit, to be destroyed, but it was not necessary to mark 607 BCE. These are “GENTILE times”, these are “appointed times OF THE NATIONS”; the gentile dates will mark the 70 years, Jerusalem’s “seven times” sovereign drama will merely be simultaneous with the main “seven times” in that initial 70 years .

So the 607 BCE-537-BCE (to 1914 CE) date is about the best Neb ascension date benchmark, to span to Cyrus ascension date, 537 BCE, “seven times” as 70 years.

ALL of Jerusalem’s required intrigues parallel that 70 years. From 596 BCE Jerusalem/Temple destruction to Temple completion, 516 BCE, is another 70 years.

Which is no accident, in connects up Zechariah 3 (temple judgment) and Zechariah 4 (temple completion), which was at the Joshua “priest-king” ceremony of Zechariah 6:9-15.

That ties to Revelation 8-11 seven trumpets final cycle, as Zechariah 4 connects to Revelation 11:1-4.

Even a smart third grader could figure out the rest. You take TWO witnesses, times “3.5 times” and you get “seven times”, easy peasy, japaneesy.

1. Witnessing 1 1260 days: 1914-1918
2. Witnessing 2 1260 days: Future
Total=2520 DAYS=7 Times
Done Deal.


Now the same “trampling” pattern will come on “Gentile” led and profaned (Zech3) apostate Bethel (Dan11:30b,32a) as Daniel 11:41 (Zech3:2) for the global context, on the JW org “invasion”, to mark the temple judgment timed as Daniel 8:13-14 “trampling”. JWs do not repent at present, so the JW org will be siege and sacked “trampled”, but that will form the temple judgment context “right condition” temple purification which is:

1. Dan8:13-14 phased and timed event overall.

2. Zech3:3-5 purification

3. Rev 8 “fire of the altar” purification

3. Isaiah 6:6-9 pre-second-witness “coals of the altar” commission purification. (Eze11 parallel)

That will form the purification, repentance and final clarification to enable the final commission of the “second witnessing” of the “two witnesses”, to precede Babylon “Head of Gold” World Government 8th King/King North completion and global “world peace” and security statement of 1Thess5:1-3, as the global “freedom from care” of Daniel 8:25b, and Isaiah 41 “let the national groups regain power” prior to “the judgment itself”, that being the world judgment of God and Christ.

8th King World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3; Dan12:11), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

But the final witnessing will have to state that BEFORE World Government arrives, to complete the Revelation 11 “seven times”.

1. Then, Christ “Son of David” establishes “Heavenly Jerusalem” overall Earth;

2. 8th King World Government “tree” is cut down.

3. The Gentile Tree is preserved to mankind, but under “David” Christ, King of the World.

(Revelation 11:15) And the seventh angel blew his trumpet. And loud voices occurred in heaven, saying: “The kingdom of the world did become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he will rule as king forever and ever.”

(Matthew 11:12) . . .But from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of the heavens is the goal toward which men press, and those pressing forward are seizing it.

One can “press forward” and seize the Kingdom call, by voluntary effort and faith and a personal decision to do so.

Of course if one is doing it for the wrong reasons, in incomplete understanding:

(1 Corinthians 11:27-28) . . .Consequently whoever eats the loaf or drinks the cup of the Lord unworthily will be guilty respecting the body and the blood of the Lord. 28 First LET A MAN APPROVE HIMSELF after scrutiny. . .

That is God will the one who ultimately approves a man, but a man must put forth the effort to press forward and seize the offer made to many.

(Matthew 22:14) 14 “For there are many invited, but few chosen.”

But since Bethel apostasy will cause an anointed Christian depletion to the degree of 50% rejection, “five fool virgins” of ten, one may well consider the OPPORTUNITY to fill in for the fails.

And that is why God is even now increasing anointings among JWs, and will make it known, this is the last call time.

If a man wants, he/she may consider this once in a lifetime special opportunity the Temple Judgment will allow to be made known to complete the number, it matters not if it is literal or symbolic, there are only so many pressing forward AND seizing it.

Bethel has lost grip of reality, and the Kingdom, they go down as Daniel 8:13-14 timing and meaning, “soon, very soon”.

(Luke 13:23-25) He said to them: 24 “Exert yourselves vigorously to get in through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will seek to get in but will not be able, 25 when once the householder has got up and locked the door, and you start to stand outside and to knock at the door, saying, ‘Sir, open to us.’ But in answer he will say to you, ‘I do not know where you are from…

Modern Sign of Jonah – Jehovah’s Witnesses Going Down for Three Years by Bethel Global Organizational Intrigues


[QUOTE who=”Lordylordy9111″]<quoted text>
“Lord’s Evening Meal” is just like the King’s wedding feast parable. He invited many but they were unwilling to come (Matthew 22:3). This is why there are so few chosen. This is a perfect example of Bethel. They have rejected God’s appointed slave over the King’s feast invitation and kill the King’s slave. This is the “first invitation” and when the “second invitation” goes out both the wicked and good are invited to comes (Matthew 22:9-10). Only one man was found unworthy (Matthew 22:11-13). This is a prime example what is happening between the “two groups”. It is Bethel and those they battered and scattered, which include all the sheep around the world who are battered and scattered (Micah 4:6-7).[/QUOTE]

Bethel is today’s “City of Murder”:

(Matthew 22:7-10) “But the king grew wrathful, and sent his armies and destroyed those murderers and burned their city. 8 Then he said to his slaves, ‘The marriage feast indeed is ready, but those invited were not worthy. 9 Therefore go to the roads leading out of the city, and anyone you find invite to the marriage feast.’ 10 Accordingly those slaves went out to the roads and gathered together all they found, both wicked and good; and the room for the wedding ceremonies was filled with those reclining at the table.

Bethel has little children’s blood on their hands, and everything else as well in killed sheep, and abused sheep, and global reproach.

But their going down, will aid the final call. All things, even ministerial wickedness, ends up being moved for God’s purpose overall. And all victims of Bethel’s murders, will be restored under the King of Righteousness, and their ENTIRE STORY WILL BE TOLD AND RESOLVED GLOBALLY, FOR COMPLETE JUSTICE.

They are just some of the billions to be justified, for glory, in the Day of Judgment. And this is because the King of Righteousness, was also RAILROADED, LIED ABOUT, SLANDERED and MURDERED by men similar to The Pharisees at Bethell.

The KING KNOWS what it is like to get the TREACHERY, which Bethel doles out to all they can isolate and nail, or rape and molest. Bethel is as good as a child rapist, thief and murderer.

Can we imagine what the King will do to BetHell? It is NOT going to be pretty.

Their lawless state is to precede the Temple Judgment, this statement is no accident:

(1 Peter 4:15-17) . . .However, let none of YOU suffer as a murderer, child rapist, or a thief or an evildoer or as a GB busybody in other people’s matters. 16 But if [he suffers] as a Christian, let him not feel shame, but let him keep on glorifying God in this name. 17 For it is the appointed time for the judgment to start with the house of God.

On January 07, 16, Lordylordy9111 wrote:
> In reference to you last post, yes it would be wonderful and healing if the GB
> repented from the many serious cover-ups and for committing fornication on
> Bethels alter with the UN who is satan and BTG’s offspring. The GB would have
> to publicly confess their wrongdoing and repent before God would forgive them
> because (1) many sheep were destroyed and stumbled because of their abuse and
> (2) they committed idolatry on the alters of God which is what Israel was
> destroyed for.
> I have a feeling about these things and I do not believe the GB will publicly
> confess their sins and repent.
> We do need to aid the JWs to see that the GB are men not Gods. We need to be
> understanding and patient with them. Mad JW made a realization of the GB that
> they are changing for the worst and posted it. He was able to reason the GB are
> making mistakes which means he is seeing they are men. We need to help them.
> They are not getting the spiritual food they need. I believe that the 1914
> message was God’s and that that foundation is not found outside the Watchtower
> such as political involvement, holidays, and the Memorial. Those are the three
> main ones. I keep preaching those same things and it is how Jesus did it. He
> did not involve Himself with holidays or politics. He was simple and informal
> when He preach to crowds or gathered together with the apostles. This is how it
> should be done.
> Agape

Yes, the GB will probably go down in >eternal< infamy. And that first, as a warning. God will make a great example of them, and WHAT NOT TO EVER DO AGAIN, in the future. No matter how the “second witness” emerges, it CANNOT glorify sinners, names, and “deified” mundane tools. JWs are in the grips of an apostate idolatry beyond anything we have EVER seen. Because Satan is involved (Zech3:1; 2Thess2:9), that is why it is so psychologically difficult for SPIRITUALLY DRUNK JWs to see. THEY ARE NOT JUST DRUNK, THEY ARE PASSED OUT, because this kind of “blow smoke up the JW arse” appeals to ALL the fleshly desires. JWs have a false sense of approval, glory, riches, physical attractiveness, and a holy men to lead them to the promised land, all in one bundle. Modern meetings are just back patting rituals.

Unfortunately, the “first witness” is what was successful, and they are pretty much no longer here. Thus JWs are celebrating something they did NOT have anything to do with, other than talk about these traditions of the successful “first witness”. So, MODERN JWS, are ripe and ready, with us all, for a JUDGMENT. NONE OF US, have been in a REAL judgment of God. We heard about the one in 1914-1919.

Any stalwart “first witness” JWs, few that they are, if at all, are not subject to this judgment if they have already been “sealed” in affirmation. That is God’s call of course, not humans’. What is in danger are veteran anointed who are buying this Bethel Idol Show. They can qualify for either “wise” or “foolish” “virgin” accounting. They have to have had access to the “first witness” oil, to save, as we have done, to be lit up in the future, again, for the second witnessing. Now, in this judgment, some will fall out, but others will come into the second witnessing.

But the Bethel “blow smoke”, is lulling JWs into a false sense of security and approval, to work against approval, by the enormity of NEGATIVE events coming for Bethel. It is all converging for a perfect Satan Storm, that God must allow, due to the lawless and derailed state of JWs.


We MUST realize, after this whole Daniel 8:13-14 timed period of temple judgment, HUGE AFFIRMATION will be given in the exposure of the JW ministry, to PROPHETIC meaning. A billion people, maybe more, can end up being able to understand the basic gist of this judgment, in its most basic plot and meaning as to what world government will mean.

WE ARE NOT THE ONLY ONES WHO WILL “SEE” THIS, AND WE NEED TO REMEMBER THAT, because we cannot get lulled into a similar self assured effect, and forget MILLIONS of Christians as JWs and those exercising faith in first witnessing truths, MUST also come to see this, in greater detail, to the level of everyone’s own personal level of prophecy understanding. THIS Temple judgment-to-world-government-to-Christ-arrival TRUTH has enough detail, and yet enough simplicity, to appeal to ANY HUMAN on earth!


We need to be inviting to ANYONE catching on, and not get divided again in minutia. The Christ arrival itself, must become the ONE POINT of AGREEMENT. And though we MUST KNOW, and DO KNOW the “second witness” forecast in “plot” detail, events to prove these meanings, will be explained as and after the happen, with emphasis as to what it is leading to.

In that way, the “second witness” will end up being the greatest witness man has ever received, since the Christ first arrival, and only his arrival and completion of confronting every human on planet Earth (Rev14:1-8), with the assured salvation offer guarantee TO ANYONE willing, will surpass the second witnessing.

When God starts to back this thing, it will go global, and none of these lost sheep will be lost for long, in spiritual unity, even if they remain dispersed, they will NOT be scattered in lack of awareness. ANGELS will be DIRECTLY INVOLVED in this second witnessing, to the hilt. So though God may certainly use humans and human tools, as we all have and been used for that goal, God’s spiritual “network” is indomitable, and He can access every person, at any time, He wants. He can give spirit aided understanding, He will be the One who “pulls it all together”, but as in the past, He probably will employ a human means of information distribution, for the world.

And even though that witness will not “complete the circuit” of the world, Christ will upon arrival. And people NEED TO KNOW, that timed period of Daniel 12:11 is the active period, when it manifests its dual criteria, that Christ will arrive in, and OFFER PEACE to all willing, for salvation. The enemy will KNOW, Christ is around a couple or more years in “parousia” mode, separating sheep from the goats, FOR REAL, and anyone can join the sheep, by giving their word, they are going Christ’s way from then forward. It MUST be that simple, because the price Christ paid, and the effort he expended, was for the very divine goal of SAVING PEOPLE WITH EASE. It is people, it is us, who make it difficult within ourselves.

And even though that second witness will not “complete the circuit” of the world, and it will be ceased again, a BILLION people or more, can catch on in this process, because generic understanding has emerged in the world system itself, that world government is the goal, and it does not have good intent for people in general.

For example, what are all these mockers going to do WHEN EVERYTHING THE CONSPIRACY THEORISTS HAVE BEEN SAYING STARTS TO COME TRUE? Conspiracy theorists are giving the most generic non-religious forecasts out there! I will tall you what people will do, they will soil themselves! And THAT will wake up many people, to a non-religious basis that this simply is what it is, and many many people, even mockers, have some exposure to the conspiracy theorist basic messages.

And as we know, some conspiracy theorists, also have religious overtones into 666, wildbeast and anti-Christ guesswork. Ultimately the arrival of Satan, would be the ultimate “anti-Christ” fake manifestation. Ultimately a global governance requiring people to worship the global-state, would be the ultimate 666. (Rev13:15-18; Rev14:9-11) Conspiracy theorists, have given us ALL THE DOTS, that form the picture of the global circumstances that lead to the Christ arrival. Like JWs, they just have no comprehensive summary. The second witness, is that total summary.

Thus, God will make BASIC TRUTH known, and conspiracy theory contains basic truth, that will speak for itself, with HUGE global events, similar to what will have come on the JW org, but now coming on the world, on religions, on everything, in incremental manner. THAT is going to wake up BILLIONS of people, like an ice bucket of water being poured on them! (Hag2:7)

Into that global awareness amplification, the second witness will be the most complete, thorough and comprehensive SUMMARY of the entire meaning of it ALL, in simple form, and yet in as much detail as any advanced Bible student can grasp. Now with King North IN THE TEMPLE environment, they KNOW prophecy better than JWs right now. And that means they too, will have utter and complete warning as this unfolds, they have been in the wrong place, and the right time, because this is leading to GLOBAL JUDGMENT FOR REAL.

THAT IS WHY GOD HAS TO WARN EVERYONE HE CAN, and the ONLY reason He cannot warn everyone in the second witness, is due to limitations imposed by secular rulers. AND THAT IS WHY CHRIST, in Revelation 14, will reach, and assess all mankind to the last man. And Christ first checkbox, is “to be saved” option. Only incorrigible predators, seed of Satan, and 666 wildbeast predator marked people, will be cut. If a person has one good bone in their body, one drop of potential to be reformed under the Messianic Kingdom “Global boot camp” of Christ and 2000 billion angels and the whole Kingdom of God, THEY WILL BE SAVED, and I bet my life, that is truth.

Christ has no limitations, and eternal opportunity, for anyone who comes into his camp. ANYONE. Even the animals will be celebrating when Chrust arrives, even they will benefit from God’s “evenign meal” and “sacrifice” in their honor. (Eze38-39)

EVERYTHING WILL BE CHANGING, THE VERY SECOND CHRIST HITS THIS “AIR” OF THIS WORLD. (1Thess4:17, Rev16:17-20. We have NO REASON to limit our salvation message, to beat around the bush, to hold back for scoffers or allow our faith to be in any fear, of not saying the WHOLE MESSAGE as BIG AS IT CAN BE SAID! THAT IS WHAT IT HAS ALL BEEN ABOUT! THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER! And the truth of the final global circumstances that indicate Christ arrival. When God says “GREAT crowd”, that NO man can number, He means it! We have all the parallels, will have the whole first witness structure, to know all this BEFORE it occurs, and as it occurs it is only going to get more and more and more believable, even for the simplest most basic person out there!




[QUOTE who=”Lordylordy9111″]<quoted text>
The parables explain exactly what God’s position concerning His Son. Bethel are apostates who stumble the little sheep and scattered them to the four winds of the earth. Bethel are like the Pharisees who are like the “first group” in the parable of the King’s marriage feast. The same parable goes for the five conscientious virgins and the five careless and lazy virgins. On the Masters arrival the five conscientious virgins will be ready for the Bridegroom. The lazy virgins are left behind because they are worthless. There are consistantly “two groups” in the Bible.[/QUOTE]

Yes, parables are important because many of them PARALLEL temple judgment prophecies, for added details.

Some people say, for example about the “faithful slave”, that is is “just a parable” not a prophecy. True, it is a parable. But it is God who ALONE can answer the question, who REALLY is the faithful slave?

And God ALWAYS gives His answer, by means of a judgment.

So the “faithful salve”, the “ten virgins”, the “city of murderers”, are all parables that parallel a coming temple judgment prophecy, for added detail.

We could not combine all the details in those cross-registered parables, it would be one mega parable-prophecy, with all the details God reveals such as:

1. A judgment decides faithful and evil.

2. More light must come forth AFTER the judgment.

3. There will be a DIVINE appointment of the vessels of faithful light.

4. MORE PEOPLE must be called to the light.

5. It all portends the coming of Christ.

And so on, parables tell us all the extra detail to register with 1 Peter 4:17, Daniel 8:13-14, Revelation 8:3-5, Zechariah 3:1-5, and Malachi 3:1-5. And we can cross ref more prophecies like Ezekiel 10, Isaiah 6, and other inspired writings that also add detail to the commission of the final warning, and the temple judgment event that will mark that eventual emergence as backed by God, so it will become as known as any other Christian mission he backed.



(Revelation 1:1) . . .A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. . . .

Thus an event as spectacular as the sacking of the global JW organization, will garner much global atention, as God sets the stage and sot lights for the “Second witnessing”.

And modern JW UN NGO and apostasy and lawless scandal and men worship, will provide ample evidence for even JWs to eventually comprehend. At this time, they are harder to get through to, than worldly people, who clearly see Bethel’s many lawless antics.

Thus the JW org epicenter of temple judgment, will provide a nice global cue, for the rest of the prophecy to be explained, while refering to thos real world desolation events as PROOF the rest of what follows is also true.

Daniel 8:13-14 is timed, because if JWs don’t get timed proff, they will not believe their house just got judged as an evil salve, fool virgin, modern HQ.

So God gives enough proof, to even get through to stone headed and hearted JWs, who even hate their own sheep, so how can they say they love people of the world if they don’t even care about their own stumbled brothers and sisters?

And by giving enough proof to get through to a modern JW ZOMBIE, the world will even be more reachable than JWs, and JW judgment will give this second witnessing HUGE GLOBAL PROOF, in the form of God’s rejection of the befouled and idolatrous JW organization. (Dan8:13-14)

And ALL of those parables will also manifest for this final round.

As bad as JWs are, it is all good news, the judgment means Christ is that much closer to global conquest! GOOD NEWS! even in the JW modern UN allied apostasy go figure!


Modern Man of Lawlessness Exposed Strengthens Faith

Connecting Bethel Lawlessness to Final Prophecy


[QUOTE who=”Nedoba “]<quoted text>
Odd, that when you ask a WT defender, they are quick to reply that NOT every eye will see him…..and that is (supposedly) meant for only those who have a godly eye of discernment (at least this is what I was taught by WTS reps and what I was expected to teach others).
The WTS teachings also had us believing that the “coming in the clouds” meant that his return was to be invisible….which then, goes against the rest of the scripture you cited. The WTS has deliberately clung to quite an unrealistic and really convoluted theory of the information given at verse 8. Talk about a pick and choose way of delivering the Good News, eh?

Because Christ will manifest during an active rival in global power, as world government, he will manifest in whatever way, initially, to secure the sheep, >for real< FIRST.

At 2 Thess 1:6-10 it is called “God’s Tribulation” on those “who cause tribulation for you”, as this is an anti-Christian final operation involving all Christians. Although JWs have clarified some greatly needed “Bible plot” themes of global takeover of Christ, total resurrection, grace, and so on, ALL CHRTISIANS are still involved in God’s judgment.

There are TWO “witnesses”, because the initial round was only the FIRST “witness” of these appeal to all Christians. Now Bethel is as overrun as as Christendom’s Corporate Monpoly of Darkness.

But God is coming for INDIVIDUALS, “I have other sheep” is a principle not of a flock, but of INDIVIDUALS.

So the FINAL WITNESS must make full clarification how BIG thje comign SALVATION GUARANTEE FOR MANY, will become. ALL PEOPLE are to be assessed, and if one has but one good bone in their body, one ounce of potential to make good on their word under Christ’s 200 Billion angel Kingdom of God, and the entirety of that power system, 10s of angels on every person minimum, they WILL BE SAVED.

Only mean predatory people will be cut off.

OF COURSE Christians must think big, and tell all how big the Christ arrival salvation will be. In time the whole world will “see” him, he may come on the clouds initially covert, in “power and great glory” means only one thing.

Great Glory of Christ, will make the sun look like a shadow at midnight. It is what it is: GREAT GLORY.

(Zechariah 14:6-8) . . .“And it must occur in that day [that] there will prove to be no precious light—things will be congealed. 7 And it must become one day that is known as belonging to Jehovah. It will not be day, neither will it be night; and it must occur [that] at evening time it will become light. 8 And it must occur in that day [that] living waters will go forth from Jerusalem…

When the Great White Buffalo gets a rolling, the whole world WILL SHAKE TO ITS FOUNDATION. IT IS WHAT IT IS.

Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof.

—Isaiah 24:1

Many things must occur before that day. To wake people up, FIRST. (Hag2:7)

“Trampling” aposate Bethel, is just the first event (Dan8:13-14) of that wake up call.

Example of Bethel Subterfuge

*** Insight Volume 1 p. 1267 Jehoiachin ***

“”It appears that Jehoiakim died during this siege and Jehoiachin ascended the throne of Judah. His rule ended, however, a mere three months and ten days later, when he surrendered to Nebuchadnezzar in 617 B.C.E. (in the month of Adar, according to a Babylonian chronicle). (2Ki 24:11, 12; 2Ch 36:9; Assyrian and Babylonian Chronicles, by A. Grayson, 1975, p. 102)””

Wiseman Babylonian Chronicle:

“”And this was the end of king Jehoiakim, when he had lived thirty-six years, and of them reigned eleven: but Jehoiachin succeeded him in the kingdom, whose mother’s name was Nehushta: she was a citizen of Jerusalem. He reigned three months and ten days.””


Now if one checks page 47 PDF, (page 35 original document) of Wiseman, we find this is the 596 BCE page sidenoted in the original, as the parallel of what the Insight book just stated.

So Bethel notes the Adar month “in the month of Adar, according to a Babylonian chronicle”, but omits the 596 BCE year. One can cross ref the Grayson and Wiseman Babylonian history to find this general date in both docs. And that kind of “scholarship license” is what Ray Franz was starting to also point out, and ask rectification of, as we now know, way back in the late 1970’s.

Not to worry, 607 BCE still stands, but it must be marked as truly “GENTILE times”, that is upon Babylon’s Nebuchadnezzar ascension of 607 BCE, at the least crown prince co-regent of Babylon.

Jerusalem Exile=Destruction? 607 BCE versus 586 BCE Dating—All’s Good! All’s Well, Couldn’t Be Better!

“Seven Times” Updates Coming—”Appointed Times of the Nations” Reconsidered, Again

The Bethel Controlled Cover Up = CIA Infiltration

Thus there is more to the Bethel infiltration as apparently led by Mason’s Milton Henschel and Albert Schroeder, the most likely “unusual suspects” in the Governing Body tyranny event of 1976, according to Ray Franz.

Thus them dumping Ray Franz, plays into this cover up, when in reality 607 BCE still stands as God is timing THE NATIONS sovereign lease limit.

The end of Babylon, in 70 years initial “seven times” is the end of “Babylon head of Gold” “global [gentile] tree” world government in the big picture. All Bethel has now accomplished is a final stage apostate diversion, to be dealt with by God shortly.

In time JWs need to PIPE UP about what dirty deeds have been going on at Bethel (Zech3:!-3; 2Thess2:1-12), and they will BE REQUIRED BY GOD (Dan8:13-14), to publicly exonerate Ray Franz, and also clear Fred Franz of all this dirty deeds performed by the insistence of Albert Schroeder, as Milton Henschel lead man, now inherited by Gerrit Loesch, the modern Bethel CIA presence among JWs, and the whole CIA GB of today.

There is far far more to this story, than these distracting smokescreens of date-event error minutia and purposeful distracting scandal. JWs have been TAKEN OVER folks.

You better fasten your seat belts, and put your all you can eat tray in the upright Bethell Airlines crash position, it IS GOING DOWN SOON. (Dan11:41; Dan8:13-14) The Beth Hell UN Escort charade is ending.




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[QUOTE who=”Nedoba “]<quoted text>
If we are told that we (of faith) WILL see him……than what’s to argue? Perhaps those who stand firm on the topic “we will NOT see him”…..won’t.

Eventually he will manifest. Now Satan also uses a “parousia”, he is a world ruler few can actually see. And in like manner, the Ultimate Anti-Christ is Satan when he too will come with glory, and arrive, AS IF, Jesus, and the demons will play the part of the holy angels.

It is getting obvious a big awakening is coming, by virtue of the fact all conspiracy theorists have said, will start to come true.

That will shock many people to awareness of World Government eventual certainty.

Satan will use that expanded awareness that Christ will also arrive, but for him to slip in first, to play Christ, to give World Government great global credibility for that sector of the deception.

All Satan and World Government can do, is arrive first, and play the hoax on all they can to accept them as “God” and “God’s Kingdom”.

So the same principle applies. When Christ arrives he can do it stealth, to secure sheep, then come game day of Armageddon, he will light up the skies of all planet Earth. The Milky Way will cast his shadow, because he is far more glorious than a demon fake.

As well, after Satan manifests as he must as allowed and required by God (Eze38:7), Christ must outshine his attempt to play Christ. When Christ arrives, he will look Satan’s great manifestation look like a firefly in a bug lite.

WAIT for the HUGE MANIFESTATION OF CHRIST, do NOT BE FOOLED by the Satan manifestation, because as far as anything man has seen, it will be great. But as far as Christ’s “manifestation”, the world will have seen nothing yet.

WAIT. Don’t get fooled. Now you know the trick Satan will use.

[QUOTE who=”jsmith”]<quoted text>
Nope. What the Watch Tower Society dishonestly calls Adar of 617 actually occurred in March 597 BCE. The paragraph with the annotation of 596 BCE is about Nebuchadnezzar’s actions against Syria in the year after the siege against Jerusalem. Further, the 596 BCE annotation refers to JANUARY 596 BCE of that year; consistent with the fact that Nebuchadnezzar’s 8th year BEGAN in NISAN of 597 BCE.[/QUOTE]

That’s what I said. You must have misread the comment. There is more than one page annotated 596 BCE, not just a paragraph.

607 BCE is marked on Babylon’s timing, not Jerusalem. The whole Bethel dating thing is a distraction, to cause stumbling, and to leave the final warning incompleted and stalled. It is a non-issue overall.

Bethel was looking at the wrong thing: Jerusalem. The entity being timed in Daniel 4 is Babylon, a GENTILE “time”.

Jerusalem merely parallels the time limit God gives to human rulers, to result in Christ “Jerusalem” arrival, in immortal spirit conqueror form, to chop down the World Government GENTILE tree.

Yet preserve it for human being, some of them, not all. The “Kingdom of the World” is the Christ “sprout” final “tree”. (Rev11:15)

All this minutia is doing is keeping people distracted so as to lose sight of the basic warning of Revelation 11’s “seven times” as 2520 days in TWO witnessings, past 1260 days, and future 1260 days.

Very simple.

Then the end will come.

[QUOTE who=”FutureMan”]<quoted text>
But can they be “rebooted”?
I doubt it, but I guess with God anything is possible.

I am open for ether option. Sometimes I see the advantage of Bethel confession. Other times I see the enormity of Bethel crimes.

Thus if God wiped them from Earth, it would not surprise me. And if He recovered in a confessed admitted statement for a recovery, I can see the advantage of the “serial killer” confessing as well.

What I KNOW is, JUDGMENT COMETH for Bethel, and even they admit it is to be “soon, very soon”.

They are just not telling JWs what that event will actually be, and the disapproved state it will manifest within.

Bethel is selling JWs a Fake Armageddon, as the intended COVER for their corporate implosion and global siege coming “soon, very soon”. (WT 7/15/15 [2])

That is no accident. (2Thess2:1-2)

Bethel’s Armageddon Hoax Basics
https://jwupdate.wordpress.com/bethel-final-apostasy/bethels-armageddon-hoax-basics/How and

Why the Bethel “The End” Delusion Works

Russia Framed as King North—The Purpose


Your Deliverance is Getting Near!—The Question is: Deliverance to What?
A Look at Watchtower’s Eerie July 15, 2015 Article


[QUOTE who=”imagoodboy”]<quoted text>
Interesting concept.
Christ came to set up a kingdom which happened in the first century.
Taking control over all things at his resurrection and kingship.
The two peoples the Nations and the Jewish nation all came under the apointed servant Christ.
It is a time of reconcilation for all to submit to his rulership. All the nations are VASSALS Under Christ.!
Col 2:9, 15
Just waiting for the final restoration of all things under his rule!

Yes, JW mis-focus on Jerusalem AND the destruction event, is understandable.

The lower key, Babylon and global “gentile” TIMES, is what must be focused on to meet all the Daniel 4 prophecy and history, criteria and main inception events.

Everything Jerusalem also applies, but it perfectly parallels the Babylon RIVAL system development.

And as we can plainly see, the Gentile Nations are far easier to track historically. And that is why in Daniel 2, and Daniel 4, “Babylon” is the benchmark, explicitly stated right in the prophecy itself.

When Bethel tried to “make Jerualem” fit, what is all about Babylon’s main “tree” symbology, first, they screwed up.

And now, when God updates this, and he will, this error will only aid greater global attention given to the update, which still respects the 607 BCE benchmark, but uses Babylon to form it first.

Babylon in Neb dynasty, only lasted 70 years. SEVEN TIMES. That is a very important main pattern.

Now with Bethel Fudge, Babylon lasts 86 years. NO CAN DO.

In that first 70 years, the main “Babylon” versus “Jerusalem” main drama of “seven times” unfolds upon both applications leading to Christ who will chop down, the Babylon head of Gold world government “tree”, for ever.

But “the kingdom will be sure to you”, in that humans will still be recovered, for their “Kingdom of the WORLD”, under Christ the NEW ROOT, the NEW SPROUT, the NEW ETERNAL TREE.

And that explains, respects and fully demonstrates ALL of Daniel 4’s symbology, timings, and meanings.

Right now Bethel explains about 10%.

But the thing Bethel got correct, is the “seven times” WARNING of eventual sovereign expiration of the gentile system. Thus Bethel did hit the most important meaning, in the original attempt.

[QUOTE who=”jsmith”]<quoted text>
607 is not ‘marked’ on any ‘timing’. The Assyrian empire was wiped out in 609 BCE. Nebuchadnezzar II became king of Babylon in 605 BCE. Nothing of note happened in 607 BCE.

Being crown prince is the ascension of Neb, 607 BCE. A couple years variance understandable, means he may very well have been King in 607 BCE, as far as Jewish timing and calendar event.

So 607 BCE still stands, but we tack Babylon. And that makes sense, because Babylon “World Government” is the “Tree” Christ chops down forever, and replaces as the New Tree of David’s root.

The warning all will hear, still stands, and is valid.

Babylon lasted 70 years, “seven times”, that is no accident.

JWs are just focused on the wrong “tree” at this time. Babylon is the GENTILE “time” that benchmarks Daniel 4 and Daniel 2, as stated right in the prophecy.

So it is bad news, but also good news. The world is nto slipping out of the first warning of 1260 days. And future final warning of 1260 days will reaffirm what was just stated and was stated in 1914-1918.

2520 days, is also “seven times”, then the end comes. Very simple.

Zechariah 4 is what connects to Rev11.

Temple destruction 586 BCE to 516 BCE temple completion, also “seven times” as 70 years, is what connects to Zech3-4, and 6 :9-15.

And that is how the “seven times” connects to Revelation 8-11, which REPEATS, in the future. Your already getting the second, and final warning, even now, go figure.

THAT is why it is “TWO witnesses”. Two phases of witness warning, 1914-1918, future. Very simple.

If you can’t get that, you may be running low on neurons.

[QUOTE who=”array”]I know The ARC is old news i know i am preaching to the converted but I had to express how I feel because most of my JW friends and family don’t want to hear
So this is how I feel….[/QUOTE]

Well in reality it is not old news. The RC represents an escalation in the investigation of Bethel that will NOT go away this time. JWs hope it is “old news”, but it is a harbinger of great doom for Bethel.

The sign is, they are looking into Bethel at Australian supreme court levels. This is not Stone Phillips and some video rag, this is SERIOUS investigation, because the LAWLESS POLICY has architects at Bethel.

And they run a COMPETITIVE LEGAL SYSTEM, and Caesar does not like other people, telling people, what to do.

And to get to the root of this “bethel problem” means they are now digging at Bethel. And when they dig, the more they will find, because Bethel has 10 billion in supposed “non-profit” assets, MINIMUM, to show the paper for, in time.

The pedophile problem is just the first incision, into the autopsy of Bethel dead body of criminal experts. As they continue to dissect, and it goes to the UK, and EU and US, Bethel will be DONE.

And they know it, that is why they are providing JWs with the “its just th end of the world” DELUSION, so JWs think the Bethel corporate takeover is just the end of the world.

But it will only be the end of the Bethel rackets and Money Laundering Enterprise. Because pedophiles is not the only Bethel project, rackets and laundering IS WHAT BETHEL DOES.

And from this RC thing, when in hinsight, this RC will be the first hole in the wall.

(Ezekiel 8:7-8) . . .Accordingly he brought me to the entrance of the courtyard, and I began to see, and, look! a certain hole in the wall. 8 He now said to me: “Son of man, bore, please, through the wall…..

God is who is allowing Bethel to be discovered for what the racket has really been up to: Making off with 10 billion dollars, conservative.

That is what the discovery of the bones of many children, now being “unearthed” at Bethel, is leading to. The difference between pedophile fines and lawsuits, is they take years. Rackets bring in the FBI, ATF and state marshals, THAT VERY DAY! “Due process” is suspended, and that is how Bethel will go down “in one day”, when this planned tsunami truly hits.

Bethel has sinned against God, JWs, and mankind, and their judgment will be commensurate with the real crimes they have committed. They are the DEN OF THIEVES “IN THE TEMPLE” of prophecy.

(Ezekiel 7:22) ‘And I shall have to turn away my face from them, and they will actually profane my concealed place, and into it robbers will really come and profane it.

This RC thing will not be swept under the rug, it is just the beginning of the end for Bethel’s apostasy.

What it is is Bethel has set up the CONTEXT of their own “siege”, for their own “end of their world” “self fulfilling prophecy”. JWs are too dumbed down to see how bad this really is, even in the RC investigative global text and video record. IT IS HORRIBLE IS WHAT IT IS, it is the end of Bethel, just starting.

In 6 years time, you will not doubt the words of Daniel 8:13-14, even from now, but especially from the first clear JW-org “siege” event of the near future. It is a racket, with billions in laundered monies. And JWs will not see one red cent, of that booty. Bankers and lawyers will. It was a set up, aided from within. (Dan11:32a)

Bethel Versus Caesar—Wonder Who Will Win?


[QUOTE who=”Lordylordy9111″]<quoted text>
I really do think that Russell and Rutherford have been judged too harshly for the very reason you said. They are at different levels of the Truth and have delivered Truths that are still very vital to the Church such as the soul can die, Nisan 14th, hellfire, politics, BTG and the League of Nations. They did awesome work BUT they were human.
The last day witness at Revelation 11:1-4 by the second “two witnesses” and they are human with family, personal issues, different economic levels, different education just as the apostles.
I believe if we had a chance to meet Paul we may have not liked him and we would have found fault with him. I am sure even I would find him being a “super apostle” a bit intimidating and be slow forth coming BUT the fact is we are all human and that is who Jesus chooses to represent Him.
Eve sinned and made the tree of life satans. She played a major role in totally handing her seed over to satan and today we have to change it again. We are flesh and blood but Christ chose us for the message work. Now it is up to Him to affirm His presence. [/QUOTE]

Exactly. God wants to see how realistically we apply grace to others, and have empathy for the DARKNESS of the time. Look at JWs, in spite of all the light of the first witnessing, it has devolved into a Bethel Dungeon of Darkness, despite all the advancement it made.

It took 70 years from 1914, to get JWs to be able to understand prophecy by a brother like Fred Franz showing JWs how to “read between the lines” and understand prophecy symbols like a second language, the “language” God uses to communicate “sacred secrets” to anointed Christians (Rev1:1), who are tasked to transmit that understanding to all they can reach.

Now for the last 25 years, Bethel has been removing those basics, so thoroughly, NONE of this is “ringing a bell” with JWs. That is 70 years of the principles LOST, in one fell swoop, for the JW zombie we are dealing with today, is the Bethel end product. A JW so backward in even first witnessing understanding and principles so as to be little better than a store mannequin.

Now it will take a “crash course”, backed by real world, live and real-time events, to mark modern prophecy, to wake JWs back up, to reality. But like 1914, we will see events right on our TVs, or front windows, so it will become REAL, very fast, for JWs. If that did not occur (Matt25:1-13), JWs would stay PASSED OUT DRUNK, on the Bethel white lightning. I mean brain dead, numbed, blind and backward. ALL THIS, from a great start in 1914 to say 1980. From there it has been downhill into the pit of Bethel silence and darkness. JWs don’t even understand globalization basics to produce world government now.

Now if we think of Russell’s time, when the fabric of the west, and the backdrop of Christendom was ALREADY 100% MASONIC, of course some was going to bleed over. Of course the clarification of Malachi 3 was going to take some years! But it did take place, the Governing Body Masonic Board did not rise up until 1944-1976, to REINTRODUCE that BABEL BODY back into JWs, very slyly. (Dan8:12; Dan11:32a)

But think before 1914. We are talking 1000 YEARS OF CHRISTENDOM DARKNESS. The progress the Reformation made, was also quickly overrun after 1500, for “Renaissance Light”, and reinfusion of trinity and other lies back into that reform attempt.

We are talking a CONSTANT BATTLE with the darkness, ALWAYS creeping back in, as it has at Bethel even now.

So in reality the FIRST WITNESS was a MIRACLE. Nothing more, nothing less, a miracle to have produced the truth in the anointed Christian ministry which is now again bedarkened by the likes of a Clown Cabal of GB Masons and disinformation intel. IT IS NOW that the “illuminati” have overrun BETHEL, NOW!

Thus accusing Russell and Rutherford for things way back then is?

JUST A BIG DISTRACTION from Bethel’s 33rd degree Black Hole of TODAY. All a diversion to the time of the greatest light, since the Christ came and kicked off that first century wave of light. JWs of today would despise the likes of John the Baptist, and Jesus Christ. Down to earth guys, with eyes in heaven, is what they were as men. But JWs need this plastic and spiffy western corporate CEO looking clown suit LIARS with full make up and shameless bling. JWs need the “pretty picture” where everything is as “color coordinated” and contrived as a sitcom set.

And THAT is why 1914-1918 and the clarifications to come after that time, WERE A MIRACLE. A miracle not in the Hollywood fashion, but in the truth, the truth came out in Witness 1.0. And it will take another miracle to unearth JWs now in a dungeon so dark, NONE OF THIS will so much as ting their mental bell. It will be like hitting a block of rubber, because that is what JWs spiritual mentality is like, a muffled block of black rubber, with eyes of coal, and a heart of stone.

And who is the “pattern to follow their steps closely” as they walk off the edge of the Grand Canyon of Judgment? That rotted, soulless, lying, evil, thieving, raping and murdering so-called Governing Body of a FARCE OF DARKNESS. They are Governors of Modern Apostasy is what they are.

So God will send in a LIGHTNING STORM like the world aint ever seen. It will become the greatest witness since Christ himself arrived, because it is bridging to the same event of Christ second coming, and he aint coming to get killed, but to save many by the force of that witness, and to prepare people for Christ global inspection of every human on Earth, as he must complete, the very ministry he himself began.

God is real, Christ is truth, all prophecy fulfills in perfect manner, and all JWs need is the dots to be connected, they already know the first witness, even if Bethel has dumbed it down, so JWs will be able to grasp the second witness, once God digs them up from their Bethel graves, crypts, tombs and pits of spiritual blackness.

ANd to prove it, Daniel 8:13-14 is timed, with the RIGHT CONDITION objective, because Bethel is a crap storm covered pile of the WRONG CONDITION at this time. It is so severe, we do not even know if God will preserve one screw of the Bethel blasphemy. Can we imagine going from a miraculous divine approval, to the very brink of the grand canyon of total Bethel destruction, in just 100 years or so? But that is exactly what Bethel has achieved, it is sad what JWs have become, and the great gift Bethel has thrown in the toilet, for a UN NGO. What a comedic tragedy, what a joke those clowns of Bethel have become, and soon God will throw the lights on them, to expose them to all the world, for who and what they truly are. (Dan11:32a)

Thus any real light we get, is a gift from God, and we cannot despise its long hard battle to get here, and join the clowns who think that first witnessing is invalid. God will reaffirm it, he always gives a second witness, they cannot stop it. Because God will put his foot on King North’s face, and hit them where it hurts (Isa66:6; Isa31:8-9; Hos1:4-7), to delay them, not to conquer them, yet, but to set them back (Isa38:8) and to motivate them to get their jalopy “8th Kingdom” done as complete world government, and to allow the second witness to come forth as another miracle of God will be required, BEFORE they are complete for war with the Kingdom of God. The whole purpose of the witness 2.0 is to warn people BEFORE King North is complete and before they hit the fan.

In retrospect, the massive “operation of error” in modern JWs, will just call more attention to the stage of the final warning! EVERYTHING is used by God, for His final moves, even apostate Jehovah’s witnesses, to launder that dirty laundry (Zech3:1-5), before the eyes of all the world (Eze36:22-23), to wake up and call to repentance JWs and the world, at the same time, by the same context of global events (Dan11:41-43) to center on Bethel’s needed judgment (Dan8:13-14; Rev8:3-5) and that first. (1Pet4:17) and coming up, big time.

Talking to JWs is like talking to wall. So God WILL get their ear soon, that silence in heaven in Revelation 8, will be ending, we will “hear from heaven” on this matter shortly, we will see judgment of God, rather than just hear about ones from the past, God willing, and God will meet His final warning, second witnessing, purpose as this unfolds to all the sovereign entities, and Christ’s arrival, the prophecy already has forecasted for us, by means of the first witness of 1914-1918 and after. Of course they needed to get INTO JWs, because it is the ministry with the first witness truth, and they want to attempt to break its connection to the final witnessing of the future. They already have broken JW prophecy awareness, they just want to try to complete the job by destroying Bethel too boot.

So the “second witness” will require a divine miracle, and it will come, no one can stop God, try as they may.

(Revelation 11:3) And I will cause my two witnesses to prophesy a thousand two hundred and sixty days dressed in sackcloth.

That prophecy will happen again.

(Revelation 10:11) And they say to me: “You must prophesy again with regard to peoples and nations and tongues and many kings.”


[QUOTE who=”Lordylordy9111″]BetheljudgmentDan8-14soon,
The earth and the oceans are being destroyed because satan hates God’s creation, and what satan hates too is God’s Church that worships and honors Jesus.
Satan will win if God does not stop him. We know that the apostasy was going to be fulfilled first. That satan would pull all the kings together for “one hour” then lead them into the Land of Honor” (Revelation 17:12).
Jesus will come and be our King, Shepherd, and Priest (Micah 4:6). This will not be invisible. According to the scriptires this will be before Armageddon.
The visible presence of Jesus will become a time of healing.
“And from Jesus Christ, who is the Faithful Witness, the Firstborn from the dead, and Ruler of the kings of the earth.” Revelation 1:5 NIV
“The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said: “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord, and of His Missiah and He will reign for ever and ever.” Revelation 11:15 NIV
“They had as King over them the Angel of the abyss whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon and in Greek is Apollyon (that is Destroyer).” Revelation 9:11 NIV
Abaddon the Protector and Healer of His people.
The name Abaddon means “Minister of death” which is righteous justice.

You know Christ came as the Ultimate First Witness, total authority of God. And since then a first witnessing has attested to that truth, and its maturity up to 1945.

Now a second witness, must emerge to also give warning fo Christ’s own Ultimate Second Witness.

And what did Christ do in the first witnessing he himself is? He saved. And same with the second coming of Christ. There is nothing to fear, Christ is coming to save first. (Rev14:1-8)

Of course those who fear Christ in the bad way, have a reason. We let Christ determine sheep and goat hearts. But we know he is really the “second witness”, as he was the “frit witness”, in both his “arrivals”. He has to complete the ministry he began, for the same goal.

Thus repentance is possible even AFTER Christ arrives (Dan12:11 totality), for repentance was his goal from his own witness 1.0, 29 CE – 33 CE.

Now THAT is “good news”, great news in fact.

Thus the “two witnesses” is also a simple principle that makes sense. God will also send out a final 1260 days second witness final warning and salvation offer wrap up. The Christ, The Witness himself, will arrive and FINISH IT PROPERLY, and save boatloads of fish (people).

Nothing to fear whatsoever. It is GREAT NEWS.


[QUOTE who=”jsmith”]<quoted text>
There is indeed no ‘debate’ here. You apparently do not understand the concept of ‘burden of proof’. You make wild assertions, with no evidence, and bunch of irrational superstition. There is no point in even trying to ‘refute’ what is only nonsense from start to finish.
Now please go away so the JW apologists can get back to trying to defend their 607 dogma in light of what the Bible actually says about Babylon’s 70 years.[/QUOTE]

The Bible and History are in harmony. Babylon’s 70 years, marks the incept “seven times”. I agree Bethel is in error, but not in total error, they just have the wronf event/date correlation.

607 BCE marks, at the least, the beginning of Nebuchadnezzar’s ascension into regional Daniel 4 “tree” incept power, just as Daniel 4 predicted:

1. In 607 the crown prince Nebuchadnezzar joined his father in the battle against … treaty of 585 b.c….


2. In 608–607 B.C., Nabopolassar and Nebuchadnezzar (then Crown Prince) led the Babylonian forces against the mountainous country north of…


3. In 607/606, as crown prince, Nebuchadrezzar commanded an army…


That forms the Daniel 4 >GENTILE< basis of determining the proper 607 BCE to 1914 CE meaning benchmark.

607 BCE to 1914 CE is still valid, the proof has changed, to also rectify the Bethel error, while explaining Daniel 4, 100%. [1]

All of your disagreement and lack of understanding of that basic premise, and Bethel’s cover up and diversion, are moot.

607 BCE applies to Babylon, just as the prophecy plainly states at Daniel 4:21-22. History attests to this Babylon dating, as shown.


There is no dodging the divine warning, by wafflers such as you, or the Bethel apostasy, both are well foretold to resist the final global 1260 day warning. You will know when it emerges, because Bethel’s downfall will precede it, and it is time and detailed in Daniel 8:13-14 for FUTURE PROOF.

Until then you can doubt and discredit all you want, you will have to see these events for yourself.

We are at the near start point of the finbal global cycle, which begins with Bethel’s mega-judgment, but which proceeds to the final warning, which describes the exact global circumstances and final milestones, such as Babylon “head of gold” and “global tree” world government.

8th King World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3; Dan12:11), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

That is all you need to know, and now it is in your head.

Because Bethel will not divulge that SIMPLE SUMMARY, they are removed first in the process. Bethel is removed first, because Christendom as a global corporate complex goes down under world government (Rev17:15-18), their global scale is too enormous to be concentrated on at this time.

Bethel is the perfect place for a prophetic proportions judgment to occur, and that first and soon. (Dan8:13-14; Zech3:1-5; Mal3:1-5; Rev8:3-5)


[QUOTE who=”sidgi”]<quoted text>
I thought that your point was that Bethel is the be-all and end-all of everything having to do with bible prophecy. Have you sold out, now?

Yes they are the “end all” in a certain way. BUT to complete the truth cycle, they have had to go bad. TOO, apostate, as per 2 Thess 2:1-4. (Dan11:32a)

Just because something is true, does not mean it is infallible. Look at Israel, true, but apostate, a cycle. Bethel is in the slast stage of their truth-to-apostasy CYCLE.

But the overall total purpose, even allowing and using Bethel apostasy, will be:

1. To affirm the final cycle starting. (1Pet4:17; Dan8:13-14; Rev8:3-5 start up)

2. To wake up JWs; (Matt25:1-13) and others.

3. To garner HUGE global attention to JWs, in a notorious manner.

In so doing, when God causes the whole Bethel truth-to-apostasy cycle explanation (2Thess2:3-4), in full, it will affirm the final global cycle to world government has indeed started.


Complete world government is the global final milestone that triggers the Christ arrival.

JW judgment, will start to give great GLOBAL proof that the cycle has but begun, and will be in progress, when that final warning of Rev11:3 comes forth as the “second witness”, in time. And there won’t be any Bethel Lairs left to mislead JWs, it will be the only valid explanation for Daniel 8:13-14.

JWs will be an “abyss” captive audience of Revelation 8-9.

THAT is WHY there are TWO “witnesses” of the arrival of God and Christ. There is a final warning coming. (Rev10:11; Rev11:1-7)

After you SEE Bethel go down, I think you will understand this is no speculation. The future, and Daniel 8:13-14, will prove itself to many. But now this basic rationale is in your head, so you can take advantage of knowing what leads to the Christ arrival.

Bethel is going down HARD. Now you can know—>>>NOW and THEN<<<—what it REALLY means, when they are sacked—SOON. (Dan8:13-14; Dan11:41)


> Thank you so much, yes I will try and print this as I know all information will
> be limited eventually.
> Agape

You’re welcome.

Plus we are heading into an active prophecy fulfillment cycle, that is already active in the Bethel apostasy.

That leads to the temple judgment and its Daniel 8:13-14 proof verification timing and guaranteed “right condition” outcome.

Now just as the apostasy evidence lets some know prophecy is active, so to the temple judgment will give more active afirmation. The apostasy is in actually striking detail located at Daniel 8:11-12 and Dan11:30-35 in specific detail, and 2 Thess2:1-12 in general principle.

So such a serious anti-Christian reality in the Bethel leadership, WILL GET A BIG JUDGMENT.

And that active period is what will wake up many many more people than just us. And it will give live and real-time and eventually hindsight evidence of prophecy.

That kind of coming verification of Daniel 8:13-14 will activate Revelation 8, whose “trumpet” purpose, is what a “trumpet” does: wake up people by global alarm for repentance and preparation for the rest of the cycle.

So, keep in mind, rather than explaining this as we are now, as if “conspiracy theorists” and “prophecy fanatics”, in time we will have real events to back this forecast. Evidence in Bethel’s “trampling”.

Thus the initial “chapter one” PROOFS, will have to eventually be ministerially related to others, and God will in time fully back the whole final warnign “witness 2.0” work.

As we proceed, FULFILLED apostasy and judgment will be past events. THAT in itself, will give far greater and undeniable credibility to the former forecast of the judgment, and the rest it is leading into.

The reason 1914-1918 events and judgment became so well founded an global in impact in the classic JW ministry, is because it was BACKED BY REAL-TIME EVENTS MARKING THE PROPHECY they were already talking about since Russell’s time.

REAL WORLD, LIVE AND REAL-TIME massive global events, are what will get the attention of many, as it did in 1914 and after to 1945, UN 2.0.

So be patient and know, this is going to get a heck of a lot more REAL as we go into the Bethel judgment, as a visible cue of what is actually the judgment of modern anointed Christians, in essence all Christians are judged and put on repentance requirement notice from Christ.

The purpose is NOT “doomsday”, but wake up, for final warning announcements. And as we proceed to the milestones to come with the temple judgment, like 7th King nation-state level downfall, and eventual emergence of global government, we will get more and more astounding proof in these developments that this is the final Revelation 8-11 cycle.

Since JWs did lay out the “first witness” patterns and principles, this “second witness” will reaffirm these principles by real-time events and world government implications meaning.

It is not forever that we will be warning of things to come, we will be expalining them after the judgment has come and run its course. (Dan8:14)

That critical Daniel 8:13-14 must prove itself and its timing aids verification. Daniel 8:13-14 purpose, vents, phasing (Dan8:26) and timing are what will give this the divine seal of credibility and validation. THAT is why it is timed, and set in time and apostasy context since UN 3.0 cover up and UN NGO of 1990.

For JWs to think adjoining the UN NGO is no big deal, is of course INSANE. No way is God going to simply let His name be reproached for a UN 3.0 “New World Order” campaign, employing JWs globally for such a blasphemy, as sanctioned by Bethel Pharisee Rulers.

Thus when that judgment comes and trashes Bethel, and starts to expose the criminal rackets to global awareness, it will be connectible to that 1990 UN NGO “transgression causing desolation” of Daniel 8:13.

This is all real. In time we will SEE WITH OUR OWN EYES how real this is to God.

Be patient, this is not just passing with no divine reaction, and the Bethel premature end forecast will fail, in this process. So we will have to help various JWs we can, recover, but God will have to aid this global effort in time. This is how serious this apostasy really is, and how serious the enemy IN THE HOUSE (Dan11:32a) is also, about destroying the ministry in the process.

It will require a divine intervention, or the temple visitation of the Christ forces, for purification, and enemy removal from the ministry, not the end yet, but the securing of the window, of the final warning guaranteed emergence. Now note Daniel 8:13-14 is minimum 3.19 years, probably 6.38 years as 3.19 years “evening” darkness of that “desolation”, and 3.19 years “morning” recovery of the final warning clarification, commission (Rev10; Zech3:6-9) and eventual 1260 day final deployment. (Rev11:1-7)

In that timing, Bethel’s most premature forecast of them all will fail. But guys like Robert King, Joshua Stone, and others, will, imo, attempt  to apply the 1260 days too soon. That is why Daniel 8:14 is so significant in meaning and duration: it will allow the required time to burn out ALL of the premature forecasts out there.

When they are failed, the real 1260 days will arrive. We are approaching the well prophecy forecasted final global circumstances and milestones that precede and indicate the Christ arrival. This is all real, and that is why God will give a broadened salvation and warnign call to describe these milestones an circumstances that precede the Christ arrival. Now I wrote some lengthy explanations, because JWs and many people will have some years to get back up to speed, the intent of some of those longer documents is to aid future understanding in as much detail as could be provided.

There wil come a time, these prophecy backing reminders, will become the ONLY valid explanation JWs will have, and unlike many out there, it fully honors, respects and reaffirms the 1914-1918 “first witness” main master pattern cycle. THAT is they key, God will NOT allow the “first witness” to be overturned, He will reaffirm it by the “second witness”. We MUST uphold the validity of the 1914-1918 cycle truths because those principles and prophecy, repeat en route to world government, over another global “sword stroke”, upon the same patterns and ultimate meanings.

The “second witness” of the future, backs the “first witness” of 1914-1918, 100%. And it has a simple “seven times”, 2520 day concept, of final warning allowances, 1260 days x 2 witnesses, then the end will come. (Matt24:14)


[QUOTE who=”the old boy”]a new format for the weekly service in 2016 has new light brought this about or have they finally recognised how deadly boring the meeting were[/QUOTE]

Must be “no light”, because the meetings were not boring in the 1970s, and this new format is like a Neo-Mormon lobotomy from what I have heard.

Why replace boring of post 1990, with more boring?

The purpose is to give JWs the first reaction impression: Well I guess the ministry is ending, no need to train people any longer for ministerial effectiveness. The end is near Henny Penny!

And event in the future will make all that seem to be true.

But in reality the WTBTS 10 billion dollar hard asset corporate racket, and its other 10 billion in laundered assets, is to be taken over. In that process, they want JWs to have the “its the end of the world” attitude, so they will roll over, and let it occur, and even aid the process.

Everything is about making that smokescreen for a mega-billion dollar exit plan, as thich as mentally possible in the JW mind and false expectations.

But we have already been warned about this exact kind of premature “it’s the end” delusion haven’t we?

(2 Thessalonians 2:1-2) However, brothers, respecting the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we request of you 2 not to be quickly shaken from your reason nor to be excited either through an inspired expression or through a verbal message or through a letter as though from us, to the effect that the day of Jehovah is here. (way too soon)


[QUOTE who=”Blue Danube”]<quoted text>
Sorry to get off topic Array as I appreciate your posts.
This is just a rumor at this stage but a guy called JWPrimtime who posts on Youtube has made a video stating that some ‘higher ups’ flew into Warwick to discuss the revamping of the difellowshipping rules.
Not only is it a shock that they may possibly be changing the disfellowshipping rules but that they were having discussion with more than just the GB and GB helpers. If it is true this is a revalation in the way that they make their decissions and I was wondering why they would do this.
Your comment gives insight into this. The GB and likely, due to the close association that they have with the GB, the helpers, have lost the plot and need to seek the advice of some Brothers who have a greater likelihood of being more sincere and more spiritually inclined.
If this is true then they are aware that they have lost something far greater than finances

In general JWs and some people are very naive, so I try to explore the worst case scenario, so that when the Bethel corps are sacked, JWs and others have an “alternative explanation”. Now I am not insulting being naive, people want to believe their government is not out to screw them. And JWs have a government too, it is called the “government body”, and they show bad signs of beign out to screw JWs, and their JW org “kingdom”.

So in my alternative view, the “return to Jehovah” campaign, is to get as many JWs back into the trap the JW org will become, because we have a national government crash coming, it is not “the end”, it islike any other world war we have ever had. It is a “global crisis” to sell the next version of the UN, this time that is “wold government”. And after a world war, as with the “roaring 20s” and the 50s to 90s, you have a GLOBAL BOOM, not a global doom. The doom mentality aids the hopefulness of the boom reality. World war reinfuse trillions into the boom.

And this one will be no different. But this one will be bigger, and thus the boom will be bigger, that boom is this “healing”:

(Revelation 13:3) . . .And I saw one of its heads as though slaughtered to death, but its death-stroke got healed, and all the earth followed the wild beast with admiration.

A purpose of the boom of global hope, is to also help people to accept the world government “solution”. Now this is all going to take years to complete. World wars can run 6 years, sometimes less, maybe more, we do not know this time. But IN ANY CASE, JWs will not get “the end” as soon as they expect. (Read 2 Thess2:1-2)

Instead, Bethel will go down in the confusion of that economic crash to world war period, but the end will not come. Instead the apostate Bethel forecast will FAIL. So, what are they doing tellign JWs to “obey us as crazy as it may sound brothers!”?

They are going to try to herd JWs, all over the world, into that corporate takeover trap, to internment and what not. THAT is what those evil spirits at Bethel are up to, it is way worse then even the biggest JW critic thinks. And JWs are sittign ducks.

That is why they are trying to draw back, as many JW ducks as they can, before the trap springs, hence read Matthew 24:15, and why to GET OUT OF THE disgusting thing JW_ORG NOW!!!!

Russia Framed as King North—The Purpose

Bethel’s Armageddon Hoax Basics
https://jwupdate.wordpress.com/bethel-final-apostasy/bethels-armageddon-hoax-basics/How and

Why the Bethel “The End” Delusion Works

[QUOTE who=”Blue Danube”]
Your comment gives insight into this. The GB and likely, due to the close association that they have with the GB, the helpers, have lost the plot and need to seek the advice of some Brothers who have a greater likelihood of being more sincere and more spiritually inclined.

If this is true then they are aware that they have lost something far greater than finances

In my view of Daniel 11:32a:

(Daniel 11:32a) . . .“And those who are acting wickedly against [the] covenant, [King North] will lead into apostasy by means of smooth words. . . .

“King North”, that is 8th King planners of the world government system, are INSIDE OF BETHEL, leading the apostasy.

And this is why Bethel will not reveal the real “King North” identity, but they keep the USSR error, so that the world government requirement in prophecy is concealed.

So this is why JWs have been “taught” nothing new about that 1990 THIRD UN presentation after the Cold War. JWs only talk, yet very little now, about the old hat UN 1 (1919) and UN 2 (1945), when that 3rd UN event of 1990 was a UN1-2-3 continuum and prophecy. (Dan11:30-31, Dan8:23)

So we have a UN concealing cover up. We have “King North” elements “certain men have slipped in” as in the book of Jude, and they have ZERO holy spirit, but 100% Satan spirit for deception, hence read 2Thess2:1-4,9.

And because they have no spirit, no passion for the kingdom, nor insight, nor any spirit driven motivation into anything scriptural, they NEED a group “helpers” to milk for spiritually inclined ideas and content work, that they can “smooth word” arrange to fit the real agenda.

The real agenda is to cancel the JW ministry, sack the global WTBTS corporations, and trap and kill as many JWs as they can, because “King North” i IN THE HOUSE, and he does not like JWs, he does not like God or Christ, and he is against their Kingdom, for his own world government.

And that is what Daniel 11:30-32 is all about AT BETHEL. They cover up King North and that 3rd UN meaning in prophecy, while they join the UN effort as UN NGO, and JWs think none of that matters, because the KN “smooth wordsmiths” have put them to sleep, with spiritual sleeping pills and a grand delusion only “the end” must come next, not the 7th King downfall, to allow the 8th King global government “rise”. (Rev11:7; Rev17:8-13)

JWs have been pawned by King North, and he is NOT done with the full objective—yet.

When he is, it will be Daniel 8:13-14 and Daniel 11:41 invasion of the decoration.

[QUOTE who=”I_know_better_now “]<quoted text>
So you trust the word of the Beast over Jehovah’s People? That says alot to me about you.
The dumbing down allegation.. Of course we know the end is here it’s the last days. For all we know we could right now be in the great tribulation in the early stages of it. [/QUOTE]

You are over excited and have lost your reason, for Bethel’s “its the end” hype, just as Paul warned you, you get all hyped and distracted rather than take Paul’s words from God to heart:

(2 Thessalonians 2:1-2) However, brothers, respecting the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we request of you 2 not to be quickly shaken from your reason nor to be excited either through an inspired expression or through a verbal message or through a letter as though from us, to the effect that the day of Jehovah is here. WAY TOO SOON.

The Bethel apostasy will be exposed to every man, woman, child and dog of planet Earth BEFORE the end comes.

(2 Thessalonians 2:3-4) Let no one seduce you in any manner, because it will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction. 4 He is set in opposition and lifts himself up over everyone…

OBVIOUSLY lawless Bethel displays all these characteristics. What you will get is a world war, you will think like a scared chicken is “the end”, but it resolves for world government, and JWs have not said a word, and will be sitting around with their thumbs up the GB’s arse, FOOLED, by the Devil at Bethel.

You are begin FOOLED, you are passed out drunk on the Bethel hooch. So God wil send JWs an ice bucket challenge as Daniel 8:13-14, to wake up the snoring thumbs in their ears JW zombies.


[QUOTE who=”Lordylordy9111″]
The beginning of this cleansing will be prior to Armageddon and will end with the resurrection years from now. Christ as King is a visible one.

It is good to set the mind and heart to picture the true enormity of what is coming as far as Christ “gathering all things”, and to God who calls His creation “and it was GOOD” and blessed a number of blessings in Genesis 1, this includes a RECREATION to the completeness and enormity of GOD’S REQUIREMENT, as all things are in essence “reborn” into Christ.

Very simply he is the “second Adam”, “out of heaven”, who also “became [and is now] a life giving spirit”. So Last Adam Christ is the new Adamic paternal root of all mankind, while also being the first born brother to bring former humans into God’s Paternal perfect “indestructible life” reality in the spirit.

From top to bottom, and bottom to top, this blessing, now a death curse under Satan and sinful “Adam and Eve” and their progeny, will also be “recreated” and bestowed under Christ:

(Genesis 1:26-28) . . .And God went on to say: “Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness, and let them have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and the domestic animals and all the earth and every moving animal that is moving upon the earth.” 27 And God proceeded to create the man in his image, in God’s image he created him; male and female he created them. 28 Further, God blessed them and God said to them: “Be fruitful and become many and fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving upon the earth.”


So some day we will all look back on this modern OWO to NWO civilization plaguing earth like cancer, and it will be as gone as ancient Egypt is to us today, even more so, for God will vaporize all the remnants of Adamic and Satanic error.

So the world “and its desire” for these things, is all “passing away”, but God has to do it slowly, so he does not lose the many riders on this will of God done on earth transition into immortal reality, and a life power such as that, at the top, will positively affect all life on Earth. (Eze47:9; Ps133)

Even the perfect man Jesus Christ, the global foundational “last Adam” has no death in himself, and the “living sacrifice” of Romans 12:1 REALITY is the sacrifice of Christ. Though he died as a man, that perfect human life is very alive to God, to be applied to this whole world. (Rom8:18-22; Heb2:15)

So the 1000 year reign prepares the truth to be put into perfected humans, so they can be ready for the final Satanic test. Now this world is not even prepared for this first Satanic test, so in time everything in it, must be redone in perfection. Man cannot create an acceptable ANYTHING in this pass of post Edenic error and sin, not so much as one nail is acceptable to God’s way of “doing it right”.

So it will take time to teach that full truth, and expand the human mentality into a perfect grasp of all the truth, with ZERO limitations of imperfect flesh, or the Devil’s lying spirit present.

We need to be ready even now for the “long haul”, and it is just leading to Christ Day One, and after that is the hugest changes coming, far beyond even angelic understanding of all the angels. Christ obeys God’s direction, God is the “master mind” of the recreation, but He has filled Christ with all needed understanding to carry it out to God’s divine full specifications.

Someday this world will be as gone as an old Medieval graveyard, the NWO is just dust-to-be to God.

This is the days of their last hurrah. They will not stand in the way of God’s blessing for Earth and all life in it, they will get the curse to finish it off.


[QUOTE who=”Nedoba “]<quoted text>
The Creator of the universe is, and has been giving, the WTS more than a reasonable amount of time to admit to the error of their ways, humble themselves and to bring themselves and their deliberately misguided (and their cleverly convincing but fraudulent) dogma into line with what God REALLY wants from those whose hearts truly wish to serve Him in truth.
It has been proven, time and time again, that the WTS’ idea of “accurate knowledge” (TM) and their application of what they purport to be “new light” (TM)…..has brought their followers further and further away from the Godly light that emanates from the Heavenly Realm. As with all spiritual phonies and charlatans, for our own good we are warned, …. “do not believe them!”

Yep. Imagine them calling the 2Thess2:11-12 LIE, the “Pure Language®”.

(Isaiah 5:20) . . .Woe to those who are saying that good is bad and bad is good, those who are putting darkness for light and light for darkness, those who are putting bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!

They are blasphemy in broad daylight, hidden in plain sight, too big for JWs to see.

There is NOT ONE THING within he JW ministry, that is what it claims to be. EVERYTHING in the JW ministry is the DIAMETRIC and evil OPPOSITE of its holy claims.


THAT is how good Satan is, and what he does.

(2 Thessalonians 2:9) But the lawless one’s presence is according to the operation of Satan with every powerful work and lying signs

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As in early Christian times, a small group of spirit-anointed overseers make up the Governing Body of Christ’s followers on earth today. By means of his “RIGHT HAND” of applied power, Christ, the Head of the congregation, directs these faithful men as they supervise the Kingdom work.

In REALITY, the GB is Satan’s “right hand” “in the temple”:

(Zechariah 3:1) And he proceeded to show me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of Jehovah, and Satan standing at his RIGHT HAND in order to resist him.
The globally known “befouled” state of JWs is the proof:
(Zechariah 3:3) Now as for Joshua, he happened to be clothed in befouled garments and standing before the angel.


See how them evil demons at Bethel just love to weave in blatant blasphemy right into the JW supposed “meat in due season”? Tainted meat all right.


There is only ONE REALITY inside of Bethel: Satan himself, the GB is his “right hand” representatives. Totally the opposite of what JWs believe. Satanic mastery of the deception and the modern “operation of error”, hard at work, in total success, in JWs.

(Daniel 8:12) it kept throwing truth to the earth, and it acted and had success.

That is not just a bunch of coincidental scriptural realities in JWs today. It is the way it really is. (Dan8:13-14 is next)


[QUOTE who=”Newtonian”]<quoted text>
Yes, it is true that it is not Hagar, but rather Sarah, in the prophetic drama in Galatians chapters 3 & 4 that is the Jerusalem that was trampled on until Revelation 11:15 was fulfilled – and what immediately followed was the nations on earth becoming wrathful (Revelation 11:18) in 1914, which was 7 times after the destruction of Jerusalem as described in 2 Chronicles 36:17-23 (which also began the 70 years desolation of the land of earthly Jerusalem).
While Satan and his angels were cast out of heaven Revelation does explain more detail on this – notably chapters 11 & 12.
Little lamb – however you are referring to the New Jerusalem (the bride of Christ as in Revelation chapter 21) {which would be Rebekkah,, the bride of Isaac, in Galatians 3 & 4 (cf to Romans) – not Sarah – the Jerusalem above.
In Daniel 2:35,44,45 the Jerusalem above (Galatians 4:26) would be the original mountain, while New Jerusalem (Rev.21) would be the stone that also became a mountain and is to fill the whole earth.
Both mountains are part of heavenly Jerusalem in Hebrews 12:22ff – compare the valley between God’s two mountains in Zechariah to which God’s people flee for protection.


Isaiah 54 = “Bride of Christ” “Woman”

That is true Christ’s Bride is the main “woman” of Isaiah 54, it was a riddle in Galatians.

(Isaiah 54:1-3) “Cry out joyfully, you barren woman that did not give birth! Become cheerful with a joyful outcry and cry shrilly, you that had no childbirth pains, for the sons of the desolated one are more numerous than the sons of the woman with a husbandly owner,” Jehovah has said. 2 “Make the place of your tent more spacious. And let them stretch out the tent cloths of your grand tabernacle. Do not hold back. Lengthen out your tent cords, and make those tent pins of yours strong. 3 For to the right and to the left you will break forth, and your own offspring will take possession even of nations, and they will inhabit even the desolated cities.

The riddle is, Christ’s bride at present is unmarried and barren. Sarah had the “husbandly owner” and was barren, but she did become fruitful. She is not the woman of Isaiah 54, she is the symbol of the woman with less children, than Christ’s Bride will have. That EXPANDED “tent” is the same global “tent” of Revelation 21:1-5. So there is no earthly limit as men now assume, to God producing BILLIONS of grand-children, though Eternal Father Christ and his wife the new Eternal Mother; Last Adam, and Last Eve, in effect.

Sarah was both the barren woman [>with<] the husbandly owner (thus not the “woman” symbol of Isaiah 54:1) Christ’s bride, in contrast, is barren and [>without<] the husbandly owner (Christ), for now.

And Christ’s “Eternal father” bride, is the implied Eternal Mother, she will bear BILLIONS of human beings, in time, more than the “Jerusalem Above” who bears the “bride”, a much smaller “little flock” number.

(Psalm 45:14) The [earthly] virgins in her [the bride’s] train as her companions are being brought in to you.

(Psalm 45:16) In place of your forefathers there will come to be your sons, Whom you will appoint as princes in all the earth.

Thus the earthly children, will share the same principle attributes, as the bride, their new mother. The spirit Bride is the master pattern, as even humans born into the perfection of Christ the perfect “last Adam” man, are “born again”, but into the new earth family, by marriage covenant, the 8th covenant of the Bible.


[QUOTE who=”I_know_better_now “]<quoted text>
Are we or are we not in the time of the end? You talk about the nwo yet you do not believe we are very close to the end. a smart person like yourself cannot discern the changes on the world scene. Is you you postponing the end because you are afraid you are not in good standing with God?

1. There are the “last days”.

2. There is also “the time of the end”.

They are related, but NOT exactly the same, and we know why.

The “time of the end” is the “time of the end” of the “last days”. You are correct, the end is close, the Christ arrival is close, the final gathering is close and so on.

But as Paul stated, do NOT think it is closer than it is:

(2 Thessalonians 2:1-2) . . .However, brothers, respecting the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we request of YOU 2 not to be quickly shaken from YOUR reason nor to be excited either through an inspired expression or through a verbal message or through a letter as though from us, to the effect that the day of Jehovah is here. (too soon)

Because BETHEL’S apostasy must be as revealed, in time, as was Christendom’s from 1919 forward.

(2 Thessalonians 2:3) . . .Let no one seduce YOU in any manner, because it will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed. . .

THIS IS WHAT we Jehovah’s witnesses were tasked with since 1914, in part, making known Christendom’s apostasy right?

Well Bethel is also to be globally exposed, and you better believe God can and will do that exposure, it helps prove the final cycle has begun, in the future. (Dan8:13-14; Rev8:3-5 are parallel)

Witness 1 (1914-1918)

And that was the “first witnessing” of the “TWO witnesses” which incept proof period is 1914-1918, 1260 days, round 1.

All true, all valid, the “last days” did start in 1914, the “Lord’s Day” of Rev1:10.

(Revelation 1:10) . . .By inspiration I came to be in the Lord’s day. . .

John did “come on up here” in spirit, and visited the visions of the prophecy of 1914, as Christ was coronated in God’s Kingdom, first. (Rev4-6)

1914 began the “last days”.

IKBN, just because they are the “last days” does not mean there are few days, because God purposes to SAVE MANY PEOPLE, not just JWs, so He has kindly extended the last days for “seven times” as 2520 days full warning, of which 1914-1918 was the FIRST 1260 days.

See how long the “last days” have already been going on since 1914?

It is the last days, but God wants to GET THROUGH to people, so he drags the end out, because that HELPS PEOPLE understand what is coming: World government first, Christ last:

(Haggai 2:7) . . .“‘And I will rock all the nations, and the desirable things of all the nations must come in; and I will fill this house with glory,’ Jehovah of armies has said.

Witness 2- Future

BUT there is also a “second witnessing” of the “TWO witnesses”. And now we are in the “time of the end” of the “last days” themselves.

And this is because Christ is ALSO TO BECOME, [>in the future<], Messainic Kingdom gathered to completion King of kings. A second coronation event as King-Priest in the Kingdom-Temple arrangement, when soon complete, is STILL REQUIRED for Christ.

And it gets a Kingdom proclamation 2, from that witnessing 2, of the final of the “TWO witnesses”.

THUS, that will TAKE TIME, Daniel 8:14 timing leads to Revelation 11:2-3 final 1260 day timing.

So we are AT THE LEAST 2300 days probable(Dan8:14) (maybe 1150 days) + 1260 days ((Dan7:25, Dan12:7; Rev11:2-3, Rev12:14, Rev13:5-7), from 8th King world government which triggers the Christ arrival.

Don’t expect the end tomorrow like JWs, or your faith will be tested, as will their’s. Hence why God warned in 2 Thess2:1-4.

Endurance is required to complete the witnessing 2.0 in the future:

(Matthew 24:13) . . .But he that has endured to the end is the one that will be saved.

And that is why that precedes this completion:

(Matthew 24:14) . . .And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.

You better get ready for the LONG HAUL of the true “hour of test”. (Rev3:10)

That “this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations” is COMPLETED IN THE FINAL WITNESSING, SECOND WITNESS, WITNESS 2.0 OF THE 2 WITNESSES IN THE FUTURE.


[QUOTE who=”Lordylordy9111″]<quoted text>
Don’t feel guilty.
I started a new book yesterday and the first three pages blew my mind. I just don’t get that from tv.

There are many “stars” I would not know on the streets. I am very far “out of the loop”. In 2008 I basically stopped TV 100%. I don’t have one. But when you got a DVD or computer, YouTube becomes your “news source”.

In my opinion, Alex Jones is the basic news and run down of most import. I don’t consider him even one iota a “conspiracy theorist”, because everything he points out is news, it is happening as we speak.

Now Art Bell and those guys are pretty much useless for me, I don’t get into “proving aliens exist”. Now David Icke is a little out there, but he has a geo-political analysis even Alex Jones listens to. Icke has relevant understanding and ability, I just don’t get into his Royal Reptiles thing. Not saying Bell or Icke are “wrong”, that it just is not something I am out to prove exist.

Paul Craig Roberts is about the best low key former Whitehouse economist, who tells it like it is. Catherine Austin Fitts is also XWhitehouse, but she goes far deeper than Paul, she is the best out there imo. Celente is like Mike Maloney, pretty tame, all about gold investing. Nomi Prins and Dale Scott are good, but not big into media. There are a thousand of those kinds out there, Peter Schiff, ZeroHedge, Karen Hudes and so on.

From Alex, Paul and Catherine, you get a well rounded grasp of modern geo-politics and the economic state of the world. CNN and FOX are equities-selling Wall Street presstitutes, so they are absolutely useless for knowing what is really going on.

James Corbett and Mike Maloney have pretty much nailed and dissected the Fed from every which angle. Corbett is a junior genius, so the guy speaks for himself, you learn way more from him than Alex Jones, as far as structural detail. But Jones knows his stuff just as well, he just does not deliver like Corbett, where he sounds like a professor teaching a class, so you really get the run down from James Corbett.

Imo, those are about the top guys as far as modern PROVABLE reality, they are really not “conspiracy theorists”, but actual journalists, so they stand out compared to the braindead Mainstream Media, which Bethel is just an attache for. Awake! is a JOKE as far as any global analysis people did not know from Rutherford in 1926. They even say less than JFR.

Bethel is a religious presstitute for the same guys.

YouTube has blown TV away. Alex Jones has blown “Awake!” away, even if he does not talk much Bible, he talks more than Beth Hell I can tell you that.


[QUOTE who=”Lordylordy9111″]<quoted text>
You certainly are an encyclopedia to CIA, FR, and UN. [/QUOTE]



Not really, my knowledge is basic, but we know HOW THEY WORK for one goal of world government. What I started doing was just getting the shape of the “elephant”. Like with the Illuminati, you can now spend a lifetime studying that group alone.

But if we get the concept, and pull back so as not to get too deep into that maze, it is all we need.

They are those other groups, who tentacle into CIA, CFR and so on. Even the guys who show up at the UN are just more politicians, albeit tops of their states. But SOMETHING else is pulling all the strings.

Now to say a crash is coming, or war with Russia, or an Islamic Crusade counter-war, is all being said by Alex Jones and 1000 others. We just take the pieces, and put them in the prophecy puzzle of World Government as the big goal.


Now with JWs, they used truthful elements, such as the field ministry, and over amplified their prominence in JW life. See, if one is walking neighborhoods hours a day, they are NOT studying the Bible hours a day.

And the ministry WAS NOT Christ’s “number one priority” as Bethel claims, that is a LIE.

Christ is the “Word of God”,

1. worship of God in approved manner was his FIRST PRIORITY. Being the Word, he knew the Bible of the Hebrew, like the back of his hand, he did not need to go an memorize and study like us, he WAS THE WORD, IS THE WORD, itself.

2. God’s Word was Christ’s second priority, because it laid out the first priority.

So being men, study of the Bible is required, and ABOVE ALL ELSE, for it refines our worship, like Paul said:

(1 Corinthians 9:26-27) . . .Therefore, the way I am running is not uncertainly; the way I am directing my blows is so as not to be striking the air; 27 but I pummel my body and lead it as a slave, that, after I have preached to others, I myself should NOT BECOME DISAPPROVED SOMEHOW.

Now the word, is the hammer to pummell the body with.

Now JWs are just that, striking air, disapproved, by having their priorities shifted. And by that shift, they STEAL JW time for study of BOTH prophecy, and current events.

THEN, once we got the approval by pummeling effort and aid of the Word, by help of the spirit, and the puzzle of current events and “elephants” is down and connected to MODER PROPHECY >>LIVE AND REAL-TIME<<, THEN we can go post a thread, or knock on a door, or talk to people, and we wil hit our target.

(Matthew 16:26) . . .For what benefit will it be to a man if he gains the whole world but forfeits his soul?. . .

Same principle right? JWs have gained GB approval, and they have gained a myth of the Bethel world, but are now in REAL DANGER of losing the soul.

So then, priority 3 for Jesus was:

3. Preaching an accurate approved truth.


Yeah it is important, but making sure we are preaching THE FULL TRUTH, is even more important, and making sure we are not sharing with the UN and getting “disapproved somehow”.



And how does Bethel mislead JWs? They take the truth, and realign it for their priority to minimize JWs deep Bible study, staying awake to world developments, and meditation on EASY TO SEE prophecy principles, NOW BEING DISPLAYED in the world system.

For example, to name a few:


2. WE SEE TALK OF WORLD GOVERNMENT to utilize this “global crisis”, to then present itself as the “global solution”, from the mouth of 10,000 global researchers.


And we know the global “gathering to Har-Magedon” force of Revelation 16:13-16, is GLOBALIZATION, also fully explained by globalism researchers!

And we can go on here, we have PRINCIPLE ,”signs seen”, in “sun, moon and stars” of the world’s own “lights” and “stars” of various fields, THAT WE CAN CONNECT TO PROPHECY >>NOW ACTIVE<<.

Bethel will not do that, the as per Daniel 8:12b, “throw truth to the earth” don’t they? They are dead in the water, stalled, off course, derailed, backward, in sin, and they are DISTRACTING JWs.

And they are distracting the world from the Kingdom message, by the GB Circus and all their global diverting scandals.

Thus it is ALL COMING TOGETHER as one ominou sign of temple judgment, 7th King downfall, and JWs expecting that to be “the end”. But it will NOT end nearly as quickly as JWs think.

All these things will occur, YEARS will go by, and what will JWs then do?


Once the “piece” fits the basic SHAPE, the principle, we put it in place, we do not need to examine every last detail of the piece. But if we do, more and more and more comes out doesn’t it?


[QUOTE who=”AuldSoul1″]abrothergoin and pcloadletter,
We all understand why you want to focus on the date for the destruction of Jerusalem.
A false religion has tricked you into believing the destruction of Jerusalem is when the 70 years prophesied by Jeremiah began, and they have tricked you into believing that the decree to go back to Jerusalem and restore the city was the end of the 70 years.


Really it is not a Bethel trick from incept, it has developed into that later.

It is simply an error which can be rectified while retaining the core 607 BCE benchmark. The 1260 days prophecies which also mark 1914 did so in independent manner, not reliant of direct correlation to the Daniel 4 seven times continuum.

That both arrived at the same 1914 CE benchmark, is further proof something significant was to begin in that year.

Thus trying to discredit 1914, are doing so in vain, it is their pie in the sky to ignore the sovereign warning of God Almighty (Rev11:7-10), that did come forth in 1914-1919 and after, as a counter-sovereign claim of God’s Kingdom, in the face of the League of Nations human version of the world government nucleus of development. THAT is no simple “coincidence”, only the blindest of people continue to insist it is. And thus a Bethel error, gives them great hopes they will avoid God’s world judgment in the future. They won’t.

Now the problem with Russell and Bethel later, is a simple error.

The error is over focus on Jerusalem in the prophecy, when the prophecy itself, and the “seven times” concept itself, is a gauging of GENTILE times, or “appointed times OF THE NATIONS.

1. In Bible symbology, ” Jerusalem” is the “divine” Israel symbol, not a “gentile” nation. Thus looking for events in Israel is the wrong focus, and this basic error is what Russell and Bethel made.

The real dating is to gauge GENTILE nations who have been put under divine notice they have a divine time limit, to be replaced by the ” Jerusalem” of Heaven of Jesus Christ “David” based rulership. The NATIONS are who are to be informed of the dwindling sand in their rival “gentile” power Hourglass of Assured Destiny: deposition at Armageddon, when God’s “seven times” TIME LIMIT has expired. (Rev11:1-15)

2. Thus the nations have to be furnished with proof of THEIR OWN >GENTILE< historic timing since Babylon’s explicitly stated benchmark of Daniel 2 and Daniel 4. And their GENTILE histories will attest to the certainty of their own “expiration date”, under full notice since 1914, which will be affirmed by “two witness” (Rev11), that is a SECOND WITNESS of the future, for 1260 days, will complete the “first witness” of 1914-1918, for the Revelation 11 version of the “seven times” as 2520 DAYS.

These SIMPLE SOVEREIGN EXPIRATION concepts, expounded by Jehovah’s witnesses, are simple proof this is no joke, or baseless error that has no meaning as a sovereign warning to this world prior to Christ ‘s arrival. And though Jerusalem is not the main benchmark as Babylon in the Neb dynasty timing of 70 years is, they do perfectly parallel that initial 70 year “Seven times”, as further proof the nations are under divine notice of the future events that will lead to their sovereign EXTINCTION from planet Earth, as Daniel 2 and 4 will conclude at Armageddon.

God’s sovereign “first witnessing” Kingdom warning is valid as IDd since 1914-1918, provable, prophetic, logical, and predictable, because this world will face the Christ of God, the anointed King placed by Jehovah Almighty God, when they complete their world government final globalized rival system, in the future. (Rev17:8-13; Dan11:45; Dan8:25; Rev16:13-20)

But God will give a full “second witness” FUTURE final warning that all will hear (Rev11:1-7,13), once the current Bethel apostasy is destroyed by God (Dan8:13-14; Zech3:1-5; Rev8:3-5), by the means of the world government designate system they have now partnered with (Dan11:30-32a) as global UN NGO, or a United Nations endorsing and co-promoting organization.

Bethel promotes the UN by silence. They are omitting the relevant modern globalization prophecies that are now in action (Dan11:30-35; Dan8:23, Rev16:13-16), and their apostate UN NGO prophecy and significance to the UN1-2-3, 3rd event of 1990. (Un has ultimately 4 prophetic fulfillments, UN1-2-3-4, the final is world government of the future)

You will see Bethel go down under judgment of God in grand manner in the future, as sign. (Dan11:41; Dan8:13-14; 1Pet4:17) It is timed at Daniel 8:13-14 for further proof.

Now you will know what it means, and JWs will get the final prophetic update, to fix all this minor errors, to form the final warning of God Almighty, as the “second witnessing” of the TWO witnesses in the future. (Rev8-11 in the Dan11:41-45 global context.) the “seven trumpets” are the final gauge to Christ arrival, to blow in the future. Teh seven plagues are also the same parallel, and they unfold with the end of the 2520 day “seven times” final warning.


8th King World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3; Dan12:11), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

Very simple, plan accordingly as these certainties start to unfold.


[QUOTE who=”I_know_better_now “]<quoted text>
You are being reckless and presumptuous. You should be far more cautious. My brothers will be able to count on me when they need me. I will not attack them as they are attacked by others. You though are attacking them in their time of need.


Prophecy is ahead of its time, at all times. It is not my “presumption” but the forecast and evidence in the prophecy, which a UN alliance obviously is a red flag of.

I believe by God’s aid you will be there for your brothers, sisters and neighbor, for all are commands of love from God, even your enemy. Do NOT forget that, AND THOSE COMMANDS OF LOVE FROM GOD, and you will win.

But AT THIS TIME, the difference between you and me, is I LISTEN TO and SEE God’s communication in His prophecy. (Rev1:1) At this time you are not able to do this to the same degree as I. Now Fred Franz coached JWs for decades from God, to install this talent in JWs, but they ahve lost it, prophecy NO LONGER SPEAKS TO THEM, about the future, only the past. Bethel’s leaders are why JWs have gone deaf to modern prophecy in fulfillment NOW. Bethel will not point out these fulfillment of UN progress to world government.

If you are not anointed you are not going to be able to do this, YET, at this time, because it goes out to Christ’s brothers first, and we are bold, faithful in confidence, and unable to be stopped or silenced about our Brother and our Father. That faith, is far more powerful than your doubts and critiques of my motive. It is from God I say this, not from me, of course anyone can say these things, it is no sign of credibility. You may get the anointing call, and then you will see everything the prophecy speaking of, that I am relating.

Fortunately, EVERYTHING I have said about will come true upon Bethel. Then you will know what you have been dealing with. (Eze33:33) Until that time of affirmation, you will fear and doubt as you do now, offering your little critiques which have no affect on me, and are inaccurate too boot.

When these words of the prophecy are proven true it will be Daniel 8:13-14, in the Daniel 11:41 context. You better be jotting this down, because your ability to help your brothers will be aided by you, in time, acepting the base prophecy, and coming to grips with the reality they will be out to kill many JWs, way way too soon of the final judgment. So God wills top them, that concludes the Daniel 8:13 timing, it is Hosea1:4-7.

THE PROPHECY, NOT I, is what contains that forecast. All I do is tell YOU what that forecast is, because it is a repeating forecast, it already has run its first cycle. THAT is how I now how the final cycle unfolds, it is the same pattern.

You will be faced with all the prophecy says JWs will eb faced with, and why. Then everything else the prophecy forecasts, will unfold, as related in deep detail for this purpose. (Rev1:1)

(Revelation 1:1) . . .A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. . . .

I know what must “shortly take place”, because the spirit has kindly granted me the full understanding of Revelation Phase 1 first (first witnessing), as taught by JWs and I do not doubt Fred Franz interpretation. But it is the pattern for Revelation Phase 2’s “second witnessing”. THAT is why there are TWO witnesses. Get it?


And that is why we can forecast the first Revelation “seven trumpet” prophecy pattern into the future, in 1-7 order, for the final fulfillment cycle of Revelation 8-11.

I BELIEVE our “first witnessing” prophecy, and know it inside and out. You do not. That is the difference, you do not even know our first round of prophecy to the depth YOU NEED TO, for the future. They have made JWs think, Fred Franz is not needed to study his books EVERYDAY.

Well I have news for you, you should be reading the Red Grand Climax Revelation book monthly. And the 1000 Year reign book yearly.

And this is no boast, because I have read that Red book a hundred times, literally, maybe more, because I have DEVOURED God’s word as imperfect as I am, God was able to “communicate” by HIS WORDS AND PATTERNS IN THE PROPHECY, to be able to be seen NOW. I have applied myself to prophecy for 40 years, 20 years like a fanatic, truly, it is what it is, not a boast—BUT in Jehovah’s witnesses understanding, not the 1914 doubters, not Christendom, not with those who lost focus. THAT is why God found my mind ready for “download” of the Revelation final phase fullest understanding for JWs, for the future and even now.

This is REQUIRED, because the whole final forecast is ALREADY in the “first witness” cycle of Revelation. The difference between me and you, is for the last 20 years, I have studied our JW understanding probably 100 times longer than you, in applied hours, prayer and meditation.

And you cannot fake that, nor can you understand it without real prophecy “pure language” TOTAL familiarity.  I do not take our Jehovah’s witnesses foundational understanding for granted, I studied it, like I studied God’s prophecy, FULL TIME. It was more important than “field service”, because it is more important than “field service”, it is more important than meetings and assemblies. It is the MOST important aspect of the proper worship of God.. By faith, God opened the second witness upon a tried and true base first witness understanding.

That is one of the differences between me and you. But instead of being moved to go and study as you need to do, you will take this as a boast and an attack on yourself. And most JWs, are just like you, ego limited, over sensitive, greenhorns. JWs are no longer really that well versed in prophecy as they think they are, and they resist the education to progress. That Bethel sugar water is NOT progress in prophecy understanding or acumen. I paid my dues to God, and still have more to pay. You better start to understand you have to do the same. FOREVER. Get it?

(Revelation 3:2) Become watchful, and strengthen the things remaining that were ready to die, for I have not found your deeds fully performed before my God.

You need to study more, and not be offended I say so. YOU NEED IT. And that is how I show my love, for you.

(Galatians 4:16) Well, then, have I become your enemy because I tell you the truth?


[QUOTE who=”Luke Warm People”]Curious if any anointed JWs here?[/QUOTE]

Anyone can make the claim. But the reality is many who claim it, have left the “holy covenant”:

(Daniel 11:30) . . .“And he (the real King North) will actually go back and hurl denunciations against the holy covenant and act effectively; and he will have to go back and will give consideration to those leaving the holy covenant.

Now to Jehovah’s witnesses the “holy covenant” is the “new covenant”. But Jehovah’s witnesses also know about the Luke 22:28-30 KINGDOM covenant, which was also empowered by the “new covenant” all enabled by the Christ sacrificial blood and body. (Heb8:10)

(Luke 22:28-30) “However, you are the ones that have stuck with me in my trials; 29 and I make a covenant with you, just as my Father has made a covenant with me, for a kingdom, 30 that you may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones to judge the twelve tribes of Israel.

So anointed Christians will be ambassadors of that King, and his Kingdom, and God’s Kingdom as well.

Now if Jehovah’s witnesses have identified the “counterfeit” “Kingdom” of the 8th King, whose world government developmental nucleus is the “United Nations”, then ambassadors of God’s Kingdom AND the Messianic Kingdom, will also expose the fake “gentile” based 8th King and his “8th Kingdom” to become world government.

Jehovah’s witnesses had a ministerial basis that also exposed the UN “image of the wildbeast”, IN ADDITION to proclaiming God’s Kingdom:

UN 1. 1919 – Rev13:11-15 (Dan12:11 first fulfillment) as League of Nations after WW1;

A. International Bible Students Association (IBSA) explained as prophecy;

UN 2. 1945 – Rev17:8-11 as United Nations after WW2;

A. Jehovah’s Witnesses (JW) explained as prophecy;

But in 1990, at the 3rd UN presentation with the end of the Cold War, the UN exposing portion of the JW ministerial responsibility went silent. Now that 3rd UN event, to continue UN1-2-3, upon the initial first two UN prophecies is now unknown and unstated by UN NGO allied Bethel and Jehovah’s witnesses:

UN 3. 1990 – Daniel 11:31b as United Nations “New World Order” Initiative after WW3 (Cold War) (Dan11:29);

A. Covered up by Bethel as UN NGO, not explained as prophecy by any religious group;

So we know Bethel is the modern UN NGO allies, who fulfill “those leaving the holy covenant” as they continue to usurp the JW ministry from real anointed Christians.

The importance of this modern final apostasy, is the United Nations has FOUR foretold presentation events in history and prophecy, as UN1-2-3-4, including that 3rd UN event of 1990 as UN1-2-3, that should have been continued since the first two UN events were explained and exposed by JWs as prophecy, UN1-2.

[We are Here…]

UN 4. Future – Daniel 11:45; Daniel 8:25; (Daniel 12:11 last fulfillment) as United Nations and World Government after 4th world tribulation/war cycle to come.

A. Not currently explained by Bethel in lieu of a premature “end of the world” deception. (2Thess2:1-2)

B. To be explained after the JW temple judgment desolation, purification and removal of lawless Bethel engineered subversion (2Thess2:1-4; Dan11:30-31; Dan8:11-13);

JWs have dropped the UN tracking ball, Bethel has joined the wildbeast, and now many anointed Christians have forgot what the main mission is.

8th King World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3; Dan12:11), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

Because Bethel will not divulge that SIMPLE SUMMARY, they are removed first in the process. Bethel is removed first, because Christendom’s older apostasy goes down under world government (Rev17:15-18) deep in the final cycle, in the future. Their global scale is too enormous to be concentrated on at this time.

Bethel is the perfect place for a prophetic proportions judgment to occur, and that first and soon. (Dan8:13-14; Zech3:1-5; Mal3:1-5; Rev8:3-5)

The Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses is a non-biblical and worldly corporate usurpation of the temple, the modern “man of lawlessness” and are not comprised of actual anointed Christians, but of UN allied apostates. So they must be removed as Daniel 8:13-14, in the final temple judgment cycle coming up (1Pet4:17), to allow the real anointed Christian updates to come forth in the future, in a second witnessing requirement of Revelation 10:11 [2].

Connecting Bethel Lawlessness to Final Prophecy

How Daniel 8:12-14 Unright Condition Has Been Developed by the Profane Governing Body Since 1944

Bethel Apostasy Foretold in Daniel 8 and 11


Why TWO Witnesses?

Alright, sorry it took so long, I thought that was an hour long usual Russell Mason expose. Now if Fritz Springmeier doesn’t convince me, this thing certainy is not, but because this is pretty flimsy.

1. In general after Russell died we have no idea who made the decisions for his headstone accent pyramid piece. We know his October 31st occult date death, suggests murder rather than natural causes, and its “Halloween sacrifice” dating speaks for itself. So we know some group wanted him dead. The only ones that come to mind are Illuminati type secret groups who back demon/human world government. Charles Russell always backed God’s Kingdom, and Christ’s Messianic Kingdom and coming full “King of kings” kingship and placement by God Almighty.

Many Masons are unclear who their King is, in their histories it is Nimrod, and so on. But elite Freemasons with the Illuminati option-pack, proclaim Lucifer as their King.

Hence they had a core dispute with Charles Russell and the King candidate he backed. So, his death is no surprise, and his anti-mason stance for Jesus Christ, not Lucifer, is well known.

2. So there is a Masonic center there. Proves nothing. It was probably constructed later. But even if it wasn’t, is now everyone in this cemetery a Mason? Is it a Masonic burial ground now? Probably not. So this is pretty flimsy “guilt by post mortem” association.

3. Now in an investigation I did for a family who has a loved one who “committed suicide”, for he left a suicide note, we can deduce another anecdote to consider in this videos claims.

See, everyone thought this person committed suicide, by taking a 357 with his right hand, and firing it below his chin, which bullet frags entered his frontal lobe, ceasing his consciousness, but allowing him to be alive until he bled out.

Upon closer examination of the logical and forensic evidence, however, another scenario emerged.

Dominic was LEFT HANDED. A “strong lefty”, as in everything he did in sports and life, was left handed. So, he did not fire the gun. And the note was written by a right handed person. So, he did not pen his suicide note.

HE WAS MURDERED. And the crime was subterfuged by a fake suicide note, and forgetting to consider Dom’s left handed characteristics.

Now with that “Charles Russell” letter, it is not known who wrote that. And the wording in the rest of the letter, certainly is NOTHING in the character of Charles Russell’s other 50,000 pages of writing.

So, we cannot know where that forgery comes from, but a forgery is possible and likely, given the Masonic bend to defame Russell even after death.

Now Charles Russel endorsed and promoted EVERYTHING contrary to the Masonic elite mission of their own world government. What Mason defames the very roots of his supposed “brotherhood”, and curses its Luciferean diety too boot? LOL

That is why claims Russell was “Illuminati” or Mason are ridiculous. It detracts from Bethel’s MODERN MASONISM, which is not ridiculous but rampant. Their organization book has 33 chapters. “JW” is a number-gram of 33, J=10, W=23. THAT is why everything is now “JW” this, and “JW” that. 33 dot org, 33 org run, or a Mason CIA infiltration sign.

Thus all the Russell distraction distracts attention from Bethel’s MODERN Governing Body UN Masnic “body”. Russell openly cursed everything Mason’s love, worship, and believe in. So, he was no Mason, that is certain.

That is how you know this Russell sleight of hand project, is just that: a distraction from Bethel’s modern CIA backed operation. They will try to destroy the “JWorg” in the future, that is when you will know this is not make believe.

Russell was clearly ANTI-MASON. Clear as day.


The Fourth Global Cycle

*** w52 4/15 p. 249 par. 3 Aids for Understanding Prophecy ***

The number four prophetically symbolizes very often foursquareness or universalness. The idea of universalness is conveyed in the expressions “four corners of the earth” and “four winds of heaven”.

*** it-2 p. 512 Number, Numeral ***

Four. Four is a number sometimes expressing universalness or foursquareness in symmetry and form. It is found three times at Revelation 7:1. Here the “four angels” (all those in charge of “the four winds,” ready for complete destruction) stood on earth’s “four corners” (they could let loose the winds obliquely or diagonally, and no quarter of the earth would be spared). (Compare Da 8:8; Isa 11:12; Jer 49:36; Zec 2:6; Mt 24:31.) The New Jerusalem is “foursquare,” equal in every dimension, being in fact cubical in shape. (Re 21:16) Other figurative expressions using the number four are found at Zechariah 1:18-21; 6:1-3; Revelation 9:14, 15.

1. Fourth cycle of enlightenment after Russell, Rutherford and Fred Franz prep. (Rev10:5-11)

2. Fourth UN cycle to world government completion [1], upon 4th world war cycle (Rev13:3; Rev17:8-13), including the Cold War 3rd cycle.

3. Fourth major Biblical temple judgment cycle (first four trumpets)

4. Four decades of Bethel Governing Body dictatorial malfeasant apostasy.

a. Finality of “Four Horsemen of Revelation”

b. Fourth beast of Daniel 7 matures to world government

And that is why this final cycle to world government, with the apostate Bethel downfall judgment (Dan8:13-14 as Daniel 11:41; 1Pet4:17 as Rev8:3-5) will summarize and complete EVERYTHING to those “four square” totalities.

It will affect the totality of planet Earth, north, south, east and west, prior to Christ earth conquering to rule forever arrival!

Many things will repeat in this cycle, including the temple judgment (Dan8:13-14; Mal3:1-5; Zech3:1-5), as Bethel pays for four decades of Governing Body led apostasy and the UN NGO alliances it led to. [2]

8th King World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3; Dan12:11), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.


Four 8th King UN Cycles to World Government – 1919-Future

UN 1. 1919 – Rev13:11-15 (Dan12:11 first fulfillment) as League of Nations after WW1;

A. International Bible Students Association (IBSA) explained as prophecy;

UN 2. 1945 – Rev17:8-11 as United Nations after WW2;

A. Jehovah’s Witnesses (JW) explained as prophecy;

Unknown and unstated by UN NGO allied Bethel and Jehovah’s witnesses:

UN 3. 1990 – Daniel 11:31b as United Nations “New World Order” Initiative after WW3 (Cold War) (Dan11:29);

A. Covered up by Bethel as UN NGO, not explained as prophecy by any religious group;

[We are Here…]

UN 4. Future – Daniel 11:45; Daniel 8:25; (Daniel 12:11 last fulfillment) as United Nations and World Government after 4th world tribulation/war cycle to come.

A. Not currently explained by Bethel in lieu of a premature “end of the world” deception. (2Thess2:1-2)

B. To be explained after the JW temple judgment desolation, purification and removal of lawless Bethel engineered subversion (2Thess2:1-4; Dan11:30-31; Dan8:11-13);



JW UN NGO Prophecy, Information and Details

JW UN NGO – Tip of the Iceberg of Bethel Subversion

Outline – UN has Four Cycles in World History and Bible Prophecy

Temple Judgment to World Government to Christ Arrival


The “seven times” number of 2520, for the 2520 years and the 2520 days (Rev11x2witnesses), is an example of foursquareness, “seven times” completeness and “10” times completion, in one number.


“2,520 is a perfect number. It is the product obtained by multiplying the four perfect numbers 3, 7, 10, 12, and can be divided by all the digits from 1 to 10 without leaving any remainder, hence is their least common multiple.”

—New Heavens and a New Earth 1953, pg. 138 footnote

Click to access 1953_New_Heavens_and_a_New_Earth.pdf


[QUOTE who=”RedhorseWoman”]<quoted text>
And, when you consider the size of the Mormon religion compared to the size of the JW religion, then the 2.2% is even more impressive as far as actual number of new members is concerned.

Yep. Another interesting “size comparison” is WTBTS and the Mormons, have about the same net assets, go figure.

Now how did the WTBTS manage to rack-up 30 billion in donations, corporate expansion real estate, sideline luxury and other real estate investment, and equities, as much as the Mormons, with far less people?

Because of the WORK of the JW SLAVE LABOR force, that is how. In donations and labor, JWs are uniquely extra motivated.. JWs work very hard for their Bethel Masters, and they donate alot. In fact there is no religion since Dark Ages Catholicism or Islam, that has done such an incredible “Return of Investment” feat, statistically provable.

There are businesses like Microsoft and Raytheon, who are not as per capita PROFITABLE as the WTBTS, because the WTBTS has an army of slaves, who work for them, >as if< they are working for God.

Now what do you suppose God will do to racketeering lawless men, playing the part of “anointed Christians”, who use HIM >AND< CHRIST, as a SHILL for their 30 billion dollar con game?

Keep your eyes on Bethel, and you will SEE WITH YOUR OWN EYES, what God does to men who play HIM for a con baiting shill. (Dan8:13-14 temple judgment in the, Dan11:41-43 global context)

Keep that in mind now, for what is coming on Bethel, later. I will tell you, this is far more serious than many think, and will get even more so in the future. Bethel is a RACKET, and that will also come out from Caear’s Crew, when they are done with Beth Hell.


[QUOTE who=”Doug Mason”]
But if these stories produce fear and ideas of conspiracies, then I suggest that for the good of your mental wellbeing, that you drop the idea.

Actually I am not a “doomsdayer”, if one assess my full rationale. I say “the end” is all hype (2Thess2:1-2), to control people, that it is NOT THE END next, but the transition to world government.

“Doomsday” or a Final Global Transitional Cycle?

8th King World Government Rise with 7th King Nation State Fall

In fact WORLD PEACE comes next (1Thess5:1-3), in about 10-18 years.

8th King World Peace—Guaranteed

And I also say there is nothing to fear, for God and Christ arriving is like the arrival of your best friends. (Rev14:6-7) Nothing to be scared about whatsoever.

Positive Global Message—Open Global Salvation Opportunity

Global Open Salvation—How Christ Completes His Own Ministry

So if you have issues of fear, you have to deal with it, I have none. And because you assume I am fear driven, you may ask yourself why do you fear God’s arrival? Right? You might as well know about my rationale of it NOT being “the end”, before you chime in with assumptions.

I have the most open for salvation and longest range forecast on the Web, provable. And I am NOT a “doomsdayer”, I say it is NOT “the end”. The way this unfolds is a final world war (rev13:3), some will mistakenly think must be “the end”, but like the other world wars, it just resolves into a UN peace pitch, and GLOBAL RECOVERY.

THE GREATEST GLOBAL RECOVERY IN ALL WORLD HISTORY! (Isa41:1; Rev13:3; Rev17:8-13) Where is the doomsday in that belief?

This time, it will result in world government, and word peace, all as engineered as were the world wars.

Engineering World Peace, Just Like Engineering World War—to Help Sell World Government

When God arrives the Earth STARTS. It STARTS to LIVE, it is a START, not the end.


As far as getting rid of incompetent human rulers, that is a no brainer, it is only their “end”, not that of the “world”. The “end of the world” is not found in the Bible. It is the end of a certain style of global rulership, “the system” “of things”, that is all.

God and Christ’s arrival is the START OF THE WORLD! (Rev11:15)


Babylon the Great Deposed Under World Government

Don’t be so pessimistic Doug, lol!


If you try to research net worth of religions, you will find an information firewall. For some round figures, see [1].


Because religions are a prostitute like “call girl”, a globalist “mistress”, where 500 trillion in global wealth is stored, out of the reach of the nation-state politicians, but in reach of the globalist world government global final phase slush fund. Like a mistress of a rich man, religions assets are very secretively hidden; but for a reason.

That is, religions are a “wealth store” of for now protected and secretive assets that can be “tapped” for the global recovery after the coming world war expires. I mean trillions are stuffed as hard assets into the global religious bra.

So, you will have to “ball park” the WTBTS “Mistress of King North” (Dan11:32), and you can use Mormons as a “backstop”, because they are only slightly larger than JWs, and worth about 30 billion, being around slightly longer than JWs. But Mormons are NOTHING compared to JW slavery and truly global scope of application.

So we know Bethel is very globally- expansive, and very investment savvy, because their billion dollar portfolioS are managed by the likes of Chase and Goldman. So, the real WT owners, are not protecting their UN harlot, “escort girl”, for nothing. JWs are a “wealth store” like any escort in the religious corporate realm.

Thus we can safely estimate JWs have donated 10 billion since 1980. And that has gone into real estate, for WTBTS uses, AND commercial investment, and equities, that have more than doubled that money, because JWs have FREE EVERYTHING: Lawyers, architects, engineers, land planners, accountants, construction management, and so on in the professional fields which assist real estate valuation projects. In essence, the WTBTS is a very lucratively set “developer”, at INTERNATIONAL scale, of incursive expansion, if that is even a word. Their investments are also international in scope.

What I mean is, the WTBTS has a very fine tuned organizational expansion process, they spread like leaven, and their WTBTS real estate expansion, is complimented by investment in real estate in general, in the same locations as their expansion of the org. There is no org on earth, like th JW money and slavery driven WTBTS. BAR NONE!





So after the “JW media” blitz, the skinny is Bethel had a “wildly successful” BILLION dollar year, probably more than one since 2001. So the JW “TV Commercial”, which every video at JW.whorg is, has paid off.

What they are doing is draining JWs of every last dime they can psychologically milk out of them. These latest cutbacks, will motivate the naive among JWs, some with a lot of money, to break another billion dollar year. It is not just the “contribution box” that does this, it is the JW demographic, many old ladies and old men are dying off, leaving entire estates to the Thieves of Bethel.

But if they were in the 50 billion dollar range, by globalist aided “savvy investment”, that would not shock me. The 30 billion low ball park estimate is defensible given the global scope of the JW org, their propensity for CONSISTENT AND MATURED luxury and other real estate and equities investing, and of course their army of the hardest working slaves in the world.

THAT slave force, is what turns one JW dollar, into 10 Bethel dollars, EASY. They allow Bethel; to have the Midas Touch, and spare no expense or frill at their facilities expansions, because the globalists will get those properties anyways, so they build like they are building for KING NORTH.

Because they are, in the end.

Trans-national legal scams like the WT, are run by specialized investment bankers and lawyers, who know how to generate two tiers, two layers, “two sets of books”, so to speak, of finances. One to crash with JWs, (with plenty of rackets evidence), say a 4-10 billion dollar hard asset portfolio, and the other one to skim the joint dry of 10-20 billion, most of that is already long gone, it slipped out the specialized financial instruments conduit since 1990 (Which came with the management tier of that JW org restructuring of post 1990, to accommodate today), and by sheer theft, like in the movie “Casino”. The WTBTS is a Globalist Mafia skim job, in other words.  No JW is allowed in the “count room”.

Then they leave the “bare bones” layer, the fall book, for the rackets and pedophile prosecution phase which is coming soon, at global scale, as “overhead” to run the scam, to run the JW ministry, to finance global web disinformation campaigns, and so on. RICO law means due process is suspended, and WTBTS is shut down from one day to the next. Then the laborious task of chopping up the “bare bones” ensues, at various global scales, to keep the national powers happy. That can stall JWs for some years, and that is what they want to do.

But they cancel the ministry at the same time, which they are now “predictively programming” JWs to expect. (WT7/15/15) JWs do not seem to notice the new Bethel destruction forecast just shifted up, to “soon, very soon”, do they?

So what makes this all the more believable as an intelligently run multi-billion dollar skim-n-scam and international corporate takeover development with a coming key climax event phase, is that:

BETHEL ALSO HAS AN “EXIT STRATEGY” AND A “THE END OF THE WORLD” SMOKESCREEN IN PLACE, to hoodwink JWs to not only accept the corporate desolation of Bethel, “soon, very soon”,, but to aid it, and to obey any commands the JW org gives them. (WT11/15/2-13; pg. 20, par. 17; #3)

Sadly for JWs, it will NOT actually be “the end of the world” (2Thess2:1-2), just the end of the Bethel apostasy and mega-scam, the modern “Cave of Robbers” “in the temple”. (Eze7:22)

And JW are being villianized as cult-knobs, pedophiles and fanatical and brutally-cold-hearted-ostracizers, shunners, so people will show little mercy to the JW downfall. The JW is a new street “bogey man”, probable child-molester-with-a-book-bag, crap shoot door knocker, crime abetting hypocrite, UN escort-mistress, and so on.

And we can’t have all this going on, along with strange Bethel behavior and anomalies, unless something BIG is up.

One cannot have ALL OF THESE DOTS all coming together with a NEW-NEW-NEW Bethel predicted “attack” on the JW org, shifted up to “soon, very soon”, as they are themselves telling JWs they are going DOWN, “soon, very soon”. (WT7/15/15) So, we know they know the context of that corporate downfall, because it is coming from the KING NORTH global-mafia engineers, who are who really control, skim and take over Bethel WTBTS in the end, at least they will attempt this bold move.

But it will be Daniel 11:41-43 global context, and the Daniel 8:13-14 timed temple judgment event context, with the Apostate Little Beth Hell epicenter, and her multi-billion dollar booty haul. To JWs it will certainly look like “the end” has arrived.

And that is why that delusion, is the perfect covering smokescreen to complete this coup and takeover event period. JWs will buy it all, lock stock and barrel, but it is just that final world war, that leads to world government. So, JWs will have a long wait to the real Christ arrival, and in time they will catch on to how badly the GB screwed them for the globalist cash cow.

JWs are in for quite a shock.

WTBTS is easily in control of 20 billion, at this time. Everything else is an act, to milk JWs of a few more million, before they go.


XJW Has Global Show

Interesting that Vinnie Eastwood, “Alex Jones Down Unda”, was a former Jehovah’s witness, but rarely mentions it, as he exposes far more about the King North System of World Government Development than Bethel, the harlot of the 8th King, the UN NGO rider of the wildbeast.

Technological Control Grid Prevents People From Thinking, Dr Nick Begich

Mind Control Techniques Affect Your Life More Than You Realize, Fritz Springmeier


[QUOTE who=”the Mad JW”]I have no allegiance to the ‘Governing Body’/ the WTBS.
The JWs dragged me kicking and screaming from the Illusion of the Catholic Church.
I tried SO hard to prove them wrong, praying, consulting friends & family.
Reading every anti-JW book I found (still do).
I lined up argument after argument- and every time they told me:
“It really doesn’t MATTER what you think, or we think- ONLY what God thinks!
This is what He has stated about the matter in the Bible….”
Being honest- what chance did I have at remaining a churchoid?
The GB are ONLY fellow brothers to me, who worship the same God I do.
Yes, they make MANY mistakes, errors, and blunders.
So do ALL of us.
My allegiance is to God, Christ and their KINGDOM.
Not men’s.
What’s your excuse for the fanatic insistence that your church dogma are true?
You KNOW they aren’t- deep down inside.
WHY the allegiance/worship to and of your church?
Family? Friends? Business/social connections?

The big difference between JWs and the churches, in spite of the similarities, is JWs have the TRUE core TRUTH—they took it to where no man took it before, as aided by GOD ALMIGHTY. The JW “apostasy” developed since 1944 [1], especially since 1976 to 1990 and the UN NGO, by leadership of a non-biblical “board of misdirectors”. (or that so-called Governing Body of a Buncha Frauds)

JWs should be up-n-arms and bullhorns about the dispicable GB conduct. The TRUTH is, the GB is dfd by their own words, and it needs to be made official, and JWs should be OUTRAGED at the reproach they bring on God, AND Christ, AND the Kingdom truth. But NO, many JWs are litle sycophant worms, grovelling to kiss the GB Rings.


Now churches have the Bible, they helped print it, they know a couple things like God and Christ, but very quickly it devolved into various human pasted in philosophies, corporatocracies, harlotries, and so on.

JWs have the furthest reaching Reformation inspired progress in the Bible understanding IN ALL GLOBAL HISTORY!!, prophecy, and the core plot and sovereign theme of conflict nailed down so easy, a 7 year old can understand it.

The churches have garble no one can understand but the demons, because they are its architects.

And the church error is fully exposed, and warned by none other than? Jehovah’s witnesses, and concerned others who know the churches are also run by plain evil “boards of misdirectors”.

So, JWs can be recovered, we are not talking a 1000 year old error set in like concrete, like the core church corpse-eration.

We are talking the REMOVAL AND EXPOSURE of the now rotten to the core Governing Body of the UN Apostates, with a big boot in the arse as the door slams them on the way to the pit.

After JWs suffer the consequences (Dan11:41), they will be more open to condemning and exposing the apostasy core as the GB. But most will have to learn the hard way (Dan8:13-14), everyone else did, why should we be spared? (Isa1-12; Matt24:15)

Jehovah’s witnesses are the Star Trekkers of Christianity, they took it to the “final frontier”, to the point Satan had no choice, but to get in thru the GB orifice of leaven and crime, and stall it, befoul it, and ruin it by the hand of the Korah GB spiritual rogues. (Zech3:1-3; 2Thess2:9)

So JWs are not “100%” wrong, as many who received their warning hope and pray they may escape the world judgment JWs fully laid out the who, why, what, where, and when of. So we have a mix of opinion, as to what the Bethel apostasy means.

Jehovah’s witnesses are unique, and so will the temple judgment be unique among us. (Dan8:13-14; Dan11:41; 1Pet4:17)

Jot it down, God don’t like being the main shill, for the GB billion-dollar con game, and soon all will see what God does to lawless frauds “in the temple”. (2Thess2:1-4; Isa66:6; Matt22:1-4; Zech3:1-5) The GB are AS GOOD AS TOAST. (Hos1:4-7)

Bethel Trick: Conceal Truth with Truth

The GB entity will be run out on hot rails to hell, in time.

In this way apostasy exposure is the main theme of the SECOND WITNESS. Just as Christendom apostasy formed an underlying theme of exposure for the JW ministry since 1919, as prophecy, so to the exposure of apostate Bethel and its evil salve foll virgin GB, will form the final theme of exposure of that apostasy so everyone will know the final cycle has BEGUN. (1Pet4:17; Rev8:3-5)

The Governing Body Experiment—1944 to Present


[QUOTE who=”little lamb”]<quoted text>
the WORD BODY OF OLDER MEN’ is found in scripture
The WORD ‘ GOVERNING , is not found in scripture ,
the men have added this title to themselves to elevate themselves over their brothers .[/QUOTE]

In Acts 15 the “body of odler men” were the original source of the problem with the circumcision issue. James made the final call, the body HAD NO AUTHORITY, they got schooled by the apostles and disciple James.

That MYTH there was a “governing body” in Acts 15, is how Christendom was also infiltarted by Satanic councils. There was no special authority given the “body of older men”, them, the apostles and the WHOLE CONGREGATION are who unanimously agreed with the apostles.

The BODY OF THE CHRIST, is the ONLY earthly authority under Christ, then under God, which God has sanctioned after the apostles died.

The Governing Body of Jehovah’s witnesses will go down in eternal infamy, and they will be exposed as 100% ILLEGAL from day one of the first peep of that 1944 based LIE in Jehovah’;s witnesses ministry. They will not be “reformed”, they will not escape their judgment exposure which God will back, for they have sinned against him as an illegal “body” placing themselves above the body of the Christ, and above Christ and God too boot.

The final witnessing to precede Christ’s arrival, to announce the global ramifications of a complete 8th King King North WORLD GOVERNMENT, will be given by God to “the remaining ones of her seed” (Zech3:4-5), the anointed body of the Christ, who are approved through this temple judgment explosion upon the JW org and its lawless GB.

The GB is the body of the modern “man of lawlessness”, plain and simple, nothing more, nothing less: SATANICALLY INSPIRED FRAUDS, who will bring DOOM on the JW org.

Think God takes kindly to them adjoining His name, and His Kingdom ministry of the Messianic Kingdom to that UN NGO TRAVESTY?

Just you wait and see what God does to the GB. (Dan8:13-14; Isa 66:6; Matt22:1-14)

They will IGNITE (Zech3:2) the temple judgment, and “JERUSALEM” anointed body is who will be chosen, not those rogue apostates in the doomed Governing Body of Lawlessness. They are doomed, their days are numbered.

(Zechariah 3:2) . . .Then [the angel of] Jehovah said to Satan: “Jehovah rebuke you, O Satan, yes, Jehovah rebuke you, he who is choosing Jerusalem! Is this one not a log snatched out of the fire?”



(Matthew 24:15-16) “Therefore, when you catch sight of the

(UN NGO; Dan11:31)

disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken of through Daniel the prophet

(modern Dan11:31 “disgusting thing that causes desolation” as parallel of Dan8:13 “transgression causing desolation”),

standing in a holy place

(in the anointed “constant feature” ministry as UN NGO),

(let the reader use discernment,) 16 then let those in Judea begin fleeing to the mountains.

(Because the JW Bethel desolation judgment for that UN NGO “transgression causing desolation” is near; 1Pet4:17; Dan8:13-14; Rev8:3-5);



1944 Governing Body Birthday—1914-1976 WTBTS Board of Directors Coup Finally Realized


[QUOTE who=”pcloadletter”]Why do people say the WTS is a big scam?
Because they like gossip too much ?[/QUOTE]

Because JWs started the trend:

“Religion is a Snare and a RACKET”

Notice that JFR did not say “false religion”? He said RELIGION is a RACKET. Because it is.

Now we know from Russell and Rutherford, they wanted to be the generic “Bible Students”, NOT a religion, by purpose.

But in time, they dropped that idea, not JFR, but the “board of directors”. Up to 1971 there was no such thing as a “governing body” in JWs, it was a board of directors, with no claims to divine authority. In 1944 that first peeped the term “governing body” in the JW ministry.

With that idea, post 1944, came the JW “RELIGION”, when they started to foster the idea of “false religion” and “true religion”. And the worship of a central star chamber of over exalted sinners in the GB.

So, we know why J Rutherford called it what it was, no “true” or “false” qualifier about it:


And turns out, he was correct. He was the brightest light God used for a while, that JWs have ever had in their ministry, he even had better common sense than Fred Franz, because he was a true old school stalwart anointed Christian like Russell. So was Fred, but GRADUALLY GIVEN OVER (Dan8:12), from “little errors” (2Thess2:11-12) like this, compounding over time, is how JWs are now totally lost.

And who captained this ruination of JW spirituality?

The “misGoverning Body”.

JFR was right, RELIGION is a racket, it always devolves into heavy sins against God, since the days of Christ and Jeremiah, and Isaiah before that.



To the Romans I became a Roman, that I mat gain some Romans for Jehovah, and Christ. I witness in undercover capacity, on the Web, and anywhere the spirit of God leads me. I count time as the brothers direct, but I preach 1000 hours a year on-line, because I could care less about “tallying time”, God keeps track for me. But I respect our arrangement, but must enter the Roman play at times, to witness.

I keep an open mind to others, for I have no idea what God’s purpose is for them, and though they may be harlots, tax collectors, and what not, I know God invites those first to the Kingdom ambassadorship or “Kingdom of the World” global domain of life.

Christ is arriving. But as God by Paul warned us, maybe not quite as soon as some try to mislead us to believe. (2Thess2:1-2) I trust God, Christ and the Bible beyond any human being, or body of sinner humans, I keep the “apostles” in their place, and as Christ advised as the first pat on the back of Revelation 2-3, I MUST test them for truth:

(Revelation 2:2) 2 ‘I know your deeds, and your labor and endurance, and that you cannot bear bad men, and that you put those to the test who say they are apostles, but they are not, and you found them liars.

So no one pulls the wool over my eyes with God’s aid, INCLUDING modern day “super fine apostles”. I call it for what it is,some don’t like that about me, but that is par for the course of truth:

(Galatians 4:16) Well, then, have I become your enemy because I tell you the truth?

(Philippians 4:4-5) Always rejoice in [the] Lord. Once more I will say, Rejoice! 5 Let your reasonableness become known to all men. The Lord is near.
+John freeman I’;m not trying to be alarmist, but serious “complications” are coming on the JW org, and like a “self fulfilling prophecy” devised to give the GB final credibility, they themselves are telling JWs to expect org destruction, “soon, very soon”. (WT7/15/15)

Only problem is, they are the “disgusting thing”; in “a holy place”;, so observe Matt24:15 as fast as possible, I kid you not, they are planning a corporate assault on the JW org, at global scale. Get out, DO NOT LOOK BACK, and DO NOT, under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, obey their directions”at that time”;. (WT11/15/2-13; pg. 20, par 17, #3)

As in Matthew 24:15, you should leave TODAY, forget fading, get out NOW! Very, very bad developments are planned for the JW org.

JWs do not seem to notice, Bethel just “shifted up” the “;attack” scenario, with little fanfare that is it a new teaching, so JWs don’t catch on, it is a setup, to sell the org attack, AS IF it is “the end of the world brothers!, go where we tell you all to go!”

It is just the cover story, for the corporate takeover of WTBTS corporations, by secular powers. (Dan8:13-14 as Dan11:41) There aint one anointed left at Bethel. (2Thess2:3-4,9) Them days are long long long, gone gone gone. Get out. Sounds crazy now, it will not sound crazy in a couple years. FLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!! Now.

[quote=’sPEktrall’ pid=’45350′ dateline=’1453170806′]
So what do you think life will be like in the NWO beast system? I thought it would be interesting to give this thread an odd twist. Briefly write what you foresee an average day would be like, but do so as if it were a jornal log entry for a typical day in this setting. Write as if you were living in those days from a journal format. Speculate and use your imagination.

Optional, but if you desire to try and use some of the following terms in your entry:

Super soldier
The world prime minister (the beast)
Space beings
Big brother
Marshall law

Well they released the cure for cancer today, and the world is really going for the wildbeast with perks like this! They give houses and gold away, as long as one takes the life mark from the beast. All I can say is you attract more flies with honey, aint that the truth!

And that doomsday freak out from a few years ago has totally transformed into a global peace and beast adoration symphony of globalism! Well I saw Dallas is no more, as the latest site footage was released on the Beastcasa sites. I was noticing rather than convert churches to public use, after the Religion Law was announced, some places are just rubbleizing them with cryonic demolishers.

I guess Satan is due for another global fly-by with the demons at around global midnight, when the sun goes black for an hour of prayers to Satan. Looks like they are taking human wives again, and I mean the casting couch line is a mile long here in LA. They posted the human kill game numbers again, looks like “the Berserker” finally got destroyed after remaining alive for two weeks, which was a new world record. He also killed two demon bodies, which was also a new record, but of course the demons just slip back out to the ether, since they cannot be killed.

There is another demon concert on friday. They sure can play their instruments beyond human, I will tell you that, it is kind of amazing. But I guess word will arrive soon, on the return of the King, the world had to go this far before the real King arrives. The world chose the NWO beast, and they sure got it!

Well I am saving these up in the Sierra Madre caves, for future record, and we have made contact with the Star Temple, so they are convening some humans here before the big war, and I guess in other earthly mountain ranges. Got to meet Gabriel, and more angels by their names, but I won’t get into that, but they are prepared for war sometime this year, the extraction is taking time, because the King is using these covert operations to expand awareness prior to game day.

We have about a million in camp here now. I really cannot explain the celestial facilities here, but I can tell you food, shelter, “health care” and interesting conversation has no shortage, and I guess this is meager accomodations compared to what is coming. I saw them resurrect a big mountain bear from just a bone fragment the other day, so this is a total global life restoration process, we are being told, these are just examples. The bear is tame as the trees, and I guess they are going to fill the area with the buffalo once they incarcerate Satan.

Anyways, it cannot be expressed the mental load the old world had placed on minds. We wake up now with only positive thoughts and hope, not one limitation of the former world is present in this angel camp, and we aint seen nothing of the King or God so far, and these guys tell me they will make this look like nothing. But we get some information here, and more are coming in literally every hour, they just appear like an apparition, and then they are totally here. I mean when I say there is NOTHING limiting, I mean it, not space, not time, not gravity and certainly not death or Satan, and we get the real news of how the other guys are starting to sweat bullets getting news of these things in controlled manner, prior to the war.

I met Penuel, that third angel named in the Bible, in a riddle. He announced Samson’s birth in the Bible, and his name has always been right there, but no one noticed. There is no describing these guys that would do it justice, like human in appearance, but like perfect in what I guess we would call beauty, as ugly as the human world is. But I can tell you that perfection is beyond the most beautiful girl or guy you have ever seen, it cannot be described. They have the full answer to any question you can ask, but they give the logic one instantly understands, in a language we cannot speak, but we can hear, fell and understand, the heart feels it.

I mean my memory is beyond total recall, you can access mental questions, and the spirit will unfold it. These dreams are unreal when you sleep, perfect detail, total control, I mean beyond anything Hollywood’s hacks could EVER capture by a million times. I got to flip off a demon in one dream, and their is this angel who is freaking 1000 times badder ass than Satan, Satan flies like hell from this demon fugger, I’ll tell you that. All that myth that Satan was “number 3” in heaven is a load of bull. There are many angels here, who could destroy him, but the task is Michael’s many years from now.

They tell me the 1000 year reign, yet to officially begin, is 100 years long. But it’s 1 million years high, and 7 million years wide. They started to clue us in on the extra dimensionality of time, and the fuller abilities of the human mind an spirit interfaces. If people thought living forever would be boring, they are out of the minds! This stuff is mind blowing. I guess the effect of the 1000 year reign, will be like 10 million years, but within the time scale of the clock of the sabbath.

Obviously people are charged now like never before, with anticipation of the King, who they say is a million times more glorious than Chrystium, who is beyond most of these other angels, you can close your eyes and still see him. But God, well that is another story. Oh yeah, Christ is not God, we found out, but I guess as darn close to God as anything will ever become. It is amazing seeing the lies and myths that enslaved the old world, and the lives and minds of men, just melt away, when you hear this stuff from the source, from the guys who have BEEN THERE and DONE THAT. Amazing stories of the early rebellion in heaven. I mean you don’t want to sleep here, except the dreams are as vibrant as life, but even more free in power as far as fullest visualization of that other world.

We found out all them stars out there? Yep, all kinds of stuff is going on out there. I mean these septillion angels of God aint been twiddling their thumbs the whole time, LOL. But I send this message from the future, so you can know a little of what to expect after they do their world government thingy. It doesn’t come down in the manner many in relgiions were coarsely expecting and visualizing. This thing takes a couple years, and the King’s angels are in full force to extract human first, and they are taking their sweet time. They had BBQ ribs the other day, totally generated from thin air, no animal involved. But I guess the diet of men must change, but I can tell you I can run at full speed like two or three hours and feel like I just woke up, the oxygen intake of this updated body is out of this world. I mean I was tossing 500 pound boulders down in the valley to make a sculpture, like they were beach balls, this shit is unreal!

What I really like is the effect of NO WORRIES. But you’ll see when they bring you here, or a similar camp, depending on where you are, and where you want to go. These guys take requests. And we had a number of weddings since we’ve been here. Them bad brain chemicals, all that stuff people were trying to explain, are gone, you cannot even try to imagine a bad attitude, or a pain, or anger, I mean it’s just plain gone. Every second of every day is pure joy, and the fact the enemy system is soon going to face full justice, and all wrongs will be made right, adds to the joy. I guess in this interim stage people will be moved from camps to the best locations from the spoils of the war. But it will all be spiritually enhanced, because this place is beyond any resort I ever saw, and this is just staging.

Did I ever tell you these angels create a “sonic boom”, with a thunder of a million storms when they really fly by fast? The earth shakes. Those poor stealth jets of dead humans are in for a shit shock, I can tell you that, they will drop like so many dead flies come the war.

Well certain people are are being aligned for the rest of eternity, as I guess there really is a way to do it right here on planet Earth, and they are getting a primer. I can now say there is NOTHING that is “too good” to be true, that was all a bunch of human doubt and whining, and these things are to be beyond human imagination and their other million layers of reality below the “atom”. And it goes on FOREVER.

All I can say is f**k the Devil, and his lies. And f**k his NWO bullsh*t too, LOL. The time for war is now very close, peace.

REALITY IS HERE. THERE ARE NO WORRIES WHATSOEVER. You’ll see. Keep the faith. Well I gotta go, Penuel is outside and he wants to see me, so I am sure another story will come from this for later.


You know who

From Camp Paradise/7th Zone, Former Mexico;

June 28, 2033 4:37 PM

[QUOTE who=”El Cacique”]<quoted text> Correction: It’s part of the typical cookie cutter mold of opposers thinking as a collective.
One should just be themselves. Don’t fit into the mold of how other opposers think or expect you to think once you leave.
They could have left for whatever given reason.
Such as
1) They didn’t like the drudgery of meeting after meetings respecting the same thing.
2) They didn’t like the conformity.
3) The hypocrisy of ‘some’ in the congos’
4) They didn’t want to feel like greeting someone who they didn’t like or who knew they knew didn’t like them.
5) The judging and self-righteousness.
All in all. They strictly follow the bible to the best of their ability and they have excellent moral standards bar none. But, it’s not for everyone.
Faith is a very peronal walk.
If opposers weren’t so angry or cantankerous. It would look much more atttractive to some. But, the acidity turns people off.

Well, as before, when the LEADERSHIP is involved with alliances with the “other guys’ kingdom”, and is in “gradually given over” transgressions (Dan8:12) of a very serious magnitude, God, as in Malaci 1, or Haggai 1, God suspends the blessing, which pulls the holy spirit, and because of lawlessness the “love of the greater number cools off” in the congregation.

So the entity that will be called to most account is the “governing body”, and the institution is non-biblical, and a spiritual veneer for a corporate “board of directors”. Heck, all of Christendom’s apostasies are led by the same farce, Bethel is now just another “clergy”, with all the same sins.

And because of that, sheep are given over to the “valueless shepherd” of Zechariah 11. So when God is in opposition, to those “Set in opposition” to him (2Thess2:3-4), at Bethel, you can expect much more of a storm to hit Bethel, soon. (Dan8:13-14; Dan11:41)

But the GB Devil has that all smokescreened with the JW premature expectation of “the end”. (2Thess2:1-2) And so it will be the end alright.

The end of the Bethel apostasy. (Zech3:1-5), not the world system, it goes to the 8th King World Government Bethel has been COVERING UP and PARTNERING WITH, for over 20 years. (Dan11:32a)

THAT is why Bethel will not reveal King North can only be globalized world government 8th King parallel. They are in on it, with their KN Masters.

Now the cat is peaking out of the Bethel bag of lies. Jehovah’s witnesses are who must be judged first, this time. (1Pet4:17) JWs are too passed out and deluded to apply the temple judgment to their own apostate house. But not for long, not for long.


[QUOTE who=”Aneirin”]<quoted text>
You’re an uneducated idiot.
There are 8 million Jehovah’s Witnesses plus 20 million interested people who regularly take the magazines and literature.
That means the Watchtower Society has to print literature for AT LEAST 30 million people EVERY MONTH.
Are you beginning to see how dumb silly you are now?
That’s just the people who ALREADY receive literature and doesn’t include all the people the literature is given to during the course of the ministry work which could EASILY elevate that figure to 60 million people AT THE VERY LEAST.
So 60 million * 12 = 720 million people need a WT + an Awake magazine every year + various books/bibles etc…
It is AMAZING that the Watchtower can get by on AS LITTLE as 500 million a year.
PS. Where did you pull THAT figure from? Just making it up?[/QUOTE]

FYI, there are actually less than 6 million JWs. Operating expenses should be in the 250 million dollar range, given Bethel’s manner of exorbitant display of corporate wealth.

They are now liquidating down to the real numbers, and will walk out this year alone with a 2 billion dollar “skim”. Overall we are talking 10 billion and more. They will leave behind 4 billion in nailed down assets, for the national powers to divvy up as needed, after total prosecution phases complete.

Ever heard of Thunderbird School of Global Management? Well they have library resources and third party corporate intelligence that can ball park what Bethel should be at in OH expenses. But the numbers will come out “soon, very soon”, when Bethel enters the GLOBAL litigation and prosecution tsunami of the future. They are saving it all up, for one big blitzkrieg.

Every global corporate investigation and law enforcement agency has been building a case on Bethel, for over 5 years plus. The pedophiles are nothing compared to what is coming. Bethel is involved in a billion dollar skim, racket and money laundering operation.

Eventually you will get the news of the world, on this FACT.

Why do you think they just shifted up the Bethel destruction expectation? Because they know it is going down hard, they are in on it, from inside Bethel, as per Daniel 11:32a.

It is going to get dead serious soon. When it does, it cannot be reversed, and it is not “the end of th world” which JWs will think it is, for a couple years. (Hos6:1-3)

It is the judgment context staring off on JWs. (1Pet4:17) In time, you will have to review this diagnosis seriously, sorry, it is what ti is.

[QUOTE who=”Aneirin”]<quoted text>
You’re an uneducated idiot.
There are 8 million Jehovah’s Witnesses plus 20 million interested people who regularly take the magazines and literature.
That means the Watchtower Society has to print literature for AT LEAST 30 million people EVERY MONTH.
Are you beginning to see how dumb silly you are now?
That’s just the people who ALREADY receive literature and doesn’t include all the people the literature is given to during the course of the ministry work which could EASILY elevate that figure to 60 million people AT THE VERY LEAST.
So 60 million * 12 = 720 million people need a WT + an Awake magazine every year + various books/bibles etc…
It is AMAZING that the Watchtower can get by on AS LITTLE as 500 million a year.
PS. Where did you pull THAT figure from? Just making it up?[/QUOTE]

Bethel has lied about UN NGO, pedophiles, money laundering, and what not.

You really think their latest stats on growth and JW size is truthful?


JWs accept whatever lies Bethel spins. Those 8 million numbers are cooked stats. It makes JWs think all is good. What would JWs think if they knew it has been in the negative growth percentile for 10 years? What would JWs think if Bethel told them, “brothers, we have been losing 1-3% a year, for quite some time”?

Now you see why they must lie, to pull the wool over the JW eyes. (Rev2:2)

You better TEST them “apostle” frauds at Bethel. (Rev2:2)


JWs: READ Fred Franz NOW!!

If you really want to know how dumbed down and spiritually dead the current crop of Bethel GB and “helpers” “spiritual food” have become, you NEED to read one or all of these core Fred Franz books:

1. Babylon the Great has Fallen


2. “The Nations Shall Know That I Am Jehovah”—How?

3. God’s Kingdom of a Thousand Years Has Approached

4. God’s “Eternal Purpose” Now Triumphing For Man’s Good

5. Paradise Restored To Mankind—By Theocracy!

Now after really reading one of these books, than pick up any post 2000 Watchtower rag, and read it.

You WILL notice the difference between a real anointed Christian spearhead of God, and the fakes who now rule and ruin Bethel today.

Now when taking college calculus, one has to be up to speed with algebra and trigonometry like the back of your hand. In like manner, JWs are heading into God’s 400 level Calculus Course to Christ Arrival, but Bethel has been teaching them grade school mathematics for 25 years, denuding the prerequisites as if by design.

This is why you can talk prophecy to a JW, and like a deer in the headlights of a semi, the modern fulfilling prophecy details roll of the JW mind and heart, like water off a duck.


Because Bethel has DUMBED DOWN JWs so severely, JWs no longer understand what Fred Franz was doing and teaching. And by the loss of those basics, this modern round of prophecy, such as Bethel UN allied apostasy (Dan11:30-32a; Dan8:11-14), has absolutely ZERO EFFECT on JWs today, they even forgot their own “pure language” BASICS!

And this is why JWs are not just spiritually drunk now-a-days, they are stone cold PASSED OUT!

They don’t know a thing from those above books, and they like remedial hypnotic writing from brain-dead Bethel instead, JWs have become spiritually and studiously lazy.

(Hebrews 5:11-14) Concerning him we have much to say and hard to be explained, since you have become dull in your hearing. 12 For, indeed, although you ought to be teachers in view of the time, you again need someone to teach you from the beginning the elementary things of the sacred pronouncements of God; and you have become such as need milk, not solid food. 13 For everyone that partakes of milk is unacquainted with the word of righteousness, for he is a babe. 14 But solid food belongs to mature people, to those who through use have their perceptive powers trained to distinguish both right and wrong.

This is also why JWs cannot “see” how Bethel fulfills the modern apostasy and UN NGO prophecy, we are COMMANDED to be on the watch for.

Connecting Bethel Lawlessness to Final Prophecy

If you are a SERIOUS Bible Student, you NEED to read or re-read ALL the Fred Franz books. After you do, you will know why you needed some real spiritual food.

6. Revelation—Its Grand Climax at Hand! (Derived from:)

7. “Then Is Finished The Mystery Of God”

8.Man’s Salvation Out of World Distress at Hand!

9. Life Everlasting in the Freedom of the Sons of God

If you want to pass the Temple Judgment Test (Dan8:13-14; Hos6:1-3; Mal3:1-5; Zech3:1-5; 1Pet4:17), you need to read those books NOW.

The ones with no link, are available on the Watchtower CD.


[QUOTE who=”El Cacique”]
I know folks who have left. They simply left and many don’t even want to discuss the witnesses anymore. They simply move on.

The real goal of KN Bethel, is to minimize growth. (Dan11:32a) While not being easily detected.

This is why JWs are very “anti world”, that is they could care less about people in the world, when they should be truly warm and inviting even to “harlots and tax collectors”. Instead, they venerate the Bethel Harlots and Tax Collectors.

But by this “cut them off” attitude, JWs lose freinds, they do nto “keep in touch”, and instead they have “friends” who will dump them in a heartbeat, in the same manner.

And Evil Slave Bethel sells this to JWs, as “keeping the congregation clean”, but in reality the Bethel PIGS can befoul it with a UN alliance, and money grubbing, and child abuse, and think nothing of it.

What they are really doing is isolating JWs, to be cold, and get through to as few people as possible. Atleady that is the effect it has had overall. JWs are preaching to save their own arse, so they think, not because they give one iota of a whipped and ostracized sheep brother, and their own spiritual sister, so HOW do they give a hoot e about Jow Bloe at the door tell me?

Many JWs are STONE COLD AS ICE. Especially the ones on the highest horse.

Now you know the true state of the house, prior to this final temple judgment cycle. God is not the least bit amused by modern JW frosty self-righteous tudes. And He aint afraid to let ’em know how He feels. (Dan8:13-14)


[QUOTE who=”FutureMan”]<quoted text>
Yes it is very clear to me at least, that they do not want their members to ‘think” too much.
Keep it simple and sweet and have a “subdued” and “obedient” following.
Blow the so-called Holy Spirit directed pipe as prescribed through it’s instrument (the Watchtower Society) and then expect their members to follow them, without question, and over the proverbial “cliff” (strategically unsound moves).

Many can see what you just pointed out. But not the JW lemmings, there aint a blinder crew on God’s green earth than the modern JW bat brigade.

*** kj chap. 19 p. 357 par. 20 Defeat Awaits Attack by Nations under Gog ***

This is a warning to the remnant of spiritual Israel and their dedicated sheeplike associates. They should not be surprised that they will have the whole world of mankind under Satan the Devil against them. Not amazed should they be even if military dictatorship world wide came.

Now Fred Franz said that way back in 1971, but we see it is now that it will get this serious. But Bethel aint saying a peep, and neither is the stone cold JW cadaver speaking up.

We have to leave the bullhornign to Alex Jones, as even he blows JWs out of the modern “watchman” water.

JWs are as mum as a graveyard. And UN NGO too boot.

That EQUALS coming DISASTER. Blind and mum JW Lemmings following the Governing Body of Spiritual Ruination right off the cliff, “obey us as crazy as it sounds”, into the Grand Canyon of the temple judgment. (Dan8:13-14)

It is not forever God will allow renegade Bethel to prance around scot free. They are at their 70 and 40 year limits of lawlessness, now gone OFF THE CHARTS.

And poor JWs think all is well, all’s good!

Well, in reality, it COULDN’T BE WORSE! But ti will get worse in the future. (Matt24:15) No apostasy just skips off scot free, and Beth Hell will be no different when their Hell’s Bell tolls.


Well Jason, JWs are mentally constricted by their own form of “political correctness”, where Bethel is the politicians who make these strange psychological concoctions. Let us call it “imagined spiritual correctness”.

As with the world’s various versions of “political correctness”, (1) the goal is diversion of the mind to meaningless minutia, rather than the real larger scale issues.

Secondly it makes people overly critical of themselves and each other, focused on these “gnats” to strain in detecting offenders of the “correctness”. All in all, it distracts the mind to meaningless minutia does it not? Sure does.

Maybe yu are familiar with Jesus describing the camel gulping Pharisees, who also strained gnats. They missed the “big picture” for a gnat in their tea.

Now the modern purpose of this is to insulate people of the world, by use of their own distracted minds, to this same principle of meaningless “small scale” minutia. Obviously 200 trillion in US an EU debt and unfunded liabilities, is far more pressing than whether we have a “transgender” shitter.

In related principle, Bethel harboring global-pedophiles, sleeping with the UN, and laundering about 20 billion dollars since 1980, is far more serious than using the word hell, in everyday conversation. But if we pat careful attention to the JW brain, we note that they are noticing your clothes, your speech, “let’s watch how we walk and watch how we talk”, while at the same time Bethel goes to hell in a hand-basket.

And “spiritual correctness” is how they tied up the JW brain, to ignore the far more serious, and grossly criminal, activities of modern billion dollar Bethel. JWs won’t know what hit them, until after the blitzkrieg has hit and passed in Bethel’s coming global tsunami of litigation and prosecutions coming.

Thus for the Billion Dollar Bethel Devils, it has been: Mission accomplished. (Dan11:32a; Dan8:12-14)
Hope this helps.



Bethel Reform = Required Repentance

The fact is if “wrong condition” Bethel (Dan8:12-14; Zech3:3) does not repent, they will be corporately destroyed by who they sleep with (UN NGO, the bankers), and will not be recovered.

Now for Bethel to survive this temple judgment coming up, they will have to repent before any offer of preservation can even be given them. And if that repentance did manifest, radical total reformation, global apology and full disclosure of all Governing Body evils would be required to meet the “right condition” principle of Daniel 8:14:

(Daniel 8:14) 14 So he said to me: “Until two thousand three hundred evenings [and] mornings; and [the] holy place will certainly be brought into its right condition.”

Plus the “Governing Body” would have to be removed and publicly condemned and exposed as core apostasy (Rev8) by Jehovah’s witnesses in their public ministry. (Zech3:5-8) If Bethel is unwilling to do this, God will fully depose them forever, for repentance and TOTAL REFORM and public admission (and global apology) is required and they carry very serious and heavy sins under their frock. (Matt22:1-14)

Thus repentance to lead to reform is required for Bethel to even be considered for future use in the final global witnessing campaign, which cycle of prophecy begins with Bethel’s downfall. (1Pet4:17; Dan8:13-14; Rev8:3-5; Zech3:1-5; Mal3:1-5; Dan11:41; Isa6:6-9; Rev8-11)

So some greenhorn witnesses like to say I am condemning Bethel, and that I hate Jehovah’s witnesses.

1. This is untrue, they are in denial because they themselves have not considered the need to repent, or the true apostate state of Bethel, and its required coming massive temple judgment upon them first.

Plus loving my brothers and sisters, and warning them thereby (Eze3,9), is a be a “watchman” on the guard, command of God, and a general command of love from God. God requires people to love every living being of earth, your “neighbor”, as if it is us ourself. JWs do not do this do they? No, THEY are in transgression, as led by Bethel’s lawless ones, so their little cronies here do not like getting divine warning—they want their ears tickled that “all’s good!”.

2. Secondly, Bethel condemned themselves when they joined the UN as UN NGO in 1991 and covered up 3rd UN post Cold War (Dan11:29) prophecy. (Dan11:31; Dan8:13; Dan11:32a)

3. Bethel condemned themselves when they downgraded Nathan Knorr and Fred Franz to a “advisors”, rather than the spiritual “Moses” brothers God had plainly set those brothers up to be. Fred Franz was the next natural spiritual spearhead, dissed and thrown to the curb by the so-called “board of directors” “Governing Body”. [1]

Instead, in 1976, the “Governing Body” “lifted themselves over everyone” as the ministerial leadership dictators “sitting down” “in the temple” (2Thess2:1-4), as the divinely sanctioned “Lords and Kings of Jehovah’s witnesses”—God and Christ were shown the door at Bethel as well, Godspeed they joined the Wildbeast UN NGO system of UN partners in 1991. (Dan11:32a; Dan8:12)

It has been a statistical downward spiral for JWs ever since, has it not?

Today is the sad state the “Governing Body” “holy men” have led JWs to, the implied WRONG CONDITION of Daniel 8:14, which precedes the coming judgment. In effect the Governing Body is our modern day spiritual Korah, Judas and Evil Slave class.

*** Watchtower July 15 2013 pg 22 ****

“”Was Jesus foretelling that there would be an evil slave class in the last days? No.””

Of course the Bethel Evil Slave is going to deny such a thing exists. They are not going to tell JWs, “yes we are the evil slave and man of lawlessness brothers!, it is us!”


Timed Temple Judgment of Jehovah’s Witnesses

Now for those who doubt all of this, Daniel 8:13-14:

1. Is timed in 3.19 initial “evening” years of JW org attack and darkness of Daniel 11:41 and Revelation 9 abyss of condemnation.

So, you can check back in 3.19 years, 1150 “evenings and mornings”, from the time Bethel cancels the JW ministry, that is “tramples the constant feature” worse than they already have polluted (Zech3:3), and goes under the Global “Trampling” of Daniel 8:13.

Bethel is going down folks, and this is what it means, and that is why the Temple Judgment of Daniel 8:13-14 i timed and phased for future proof and verification to precede the RIGHT CONDITION this judgment WILL produce. God times and phases this Temple Judgment of Jehovah’s Witnesses, because as you know, they think none of this is true.

(Daniel 8:14) 14 So he said to me: “Until two thousand three hundred evenings [and] mornings; and [the] holy place will certainly be brought into its right condition.”

Temple Judgment

(Daniel 8:13-14) And I got to hear a certain holy one speaking, and another holy one proceeded to say to the particular one who was speaking: “How long will the vision be of the (profaned) constant [feature] and of the transgression causing desolation (UN NGO alliance of Daniel 11:31b), to make both [the] holy place (temple “established place”; Dan8:11) and [the] (JW worldwide) army things to trample on?” (first 8th King “trampling” “attack” defining the spiritual meaning of the “tribulation of those days” beginning); 14 So he said to me: “Until two thousand three hundred evenings [and] mornings; and [the] holy place will certainly be brought into its right condition.” (Temple judgment purification completed in this timed period parallel Zechariah 3:4-5, Revelation 8:1-5);


Daniel 8:13-14 Details the Coming Temple Judgment of Jehovah’s Witnesses


Temple Judgment to World Government to Christ Arrival



1944 Governing Body Birthday—1914-1976 WTBTS Board of Directors Coup Finally Realized



[QUOTE who=”El Cacique”]Any of you folks should just go to JW.ORG. Much of the donated funds are put to use in building KH’s in poorer countries. Much of the funds go to helping missionaries and operating costs as well.
Nobody in Bether branches anywhere who are living like a Cresus or a big mack daddy…. LOL!
Why don’t any of you call the local Branch in your home country and ask to sign up for a brief tour? It’s as easy as that. They will gladly grant you one at a preassigned date….. No lunch though if you don’t know anybody or a direct guest of someone who works in Bethel.
Bethelites and governing body along with their assistants simply live in dignified surroundings. Most of here probably likely in much more square footage in our homes than they do in their small efficiency apts and rooms. But, the main focus of the various Bethelite branches is the carrying out of the work.[/QUOTE]

In principle this is true. But when you have channelled 10 billion, easy estimate, since 1980, with only a coupel hundred million in operating expenses, SOMETHING IS UP.

Bethel harlots may not be living the life of exorbitant luxury, but they are in luxury. The BANKERS are who are living high on the hog on JW booty.

In the future, we can expect Bethel money laundering under a veneer of a charity and “religion”, to be closely examined with the pedophile “in”. Expect “upper management” of the Bethel system to be prosecuted for rackets charges, in the future. Just a heads up, those things will prove themselves in time.

And why is that? Because Bethel has funnelled 20 billion, somewhere, the 10 billion estimate is way low ball park figure. In essence, Bethel IS a money laundry. That money went somewhere, and Caesar will want to know where, soon. Obviosuly it is not going to Bethelites, xBethelites, or guys with a broken knee on the job, at Bethel. It is not going to JWs either, nor the flock, nor their congreagtions, which they just drained of almost a billion dollars in just the last couple years, from the congregation savings funds.

Now if 100,000 congregations, just turned in 1000 dollars each, there is 100 million dollars. But you know many KH’s are well heeled, and we are looking at a 10,000 dollar average. Imagine that, 1 billion in congregational funds stripped to Bethel, while JW Media hyped JWs also gave a billion in “donations”.

So, in reality, it is easy to see the kind of racket Bethel is actually running for the bankers. Easily, we can ball park a 10 billion dollar laundry account, EASY, overall, since 1980.

The principle is with the “cave of robbers”. When Christ completes the inspection this time, Bethel will also have their own “den of thieves” to repeat the principle of the temple judgment.

If you recall, Christ kicks out the den of thieves first, then he judged the Pharisees next. And so it will be, when Christ pays Bethel “the visit” mid way into the temple judgment timing of Daniel 8:13-14.

It will be 1 Peter 4:17, Daniel 8:13-14, Revelation 8:3-5, Zechariah 3:1-5, Malachi 3:1-5, but beginning, in the near future, as Bethel starts to be attacked and exposed for what they really are.


[QUOTE who=”El Cacique”]<quoted text> No, i have to respectfully disagree with you on this point. There is a poster known to several on another forum who has juice with someone on topix. Nube and I know who it is. The poster is obsessed and is known to become fixated on posters.Plain and simple. I know his M.O. Such is the case with quite a few regulars on topix.
I’d rather not talk about the individual because I’m done with that whole situation. Let’s see if he can get the hint and move on as well. Nor do I want Nube mentioning him because that will give his reason to stay and obsess some more by his way of thinking. He got use to the situation of being antagonistic with us on a daily basis that he simply can’t let go. And we have moved on from that forum. I know. I HAVE.
Nube who is a posting ally of mine needs to learn how to move on as well and if she plans on staying here then she should seriously think about posting productively and letting go, as well.


You may be correct. But from what I have seen, Topix rakes in millions a month from advertising, and that trick of almost no moderation, is how their members build much of that search content for them, aiding their massive traffic ranking.

So while one cannot do whatever they want here, it is a very liberally policied forum overall, nothing like the Daisies Cedars and JWN Simon are like, as those hypocrites “df” people from their forum every week, while they complain about the GB liek little sissies, for doing the exact same thing, they also do in their “forum congregations”.

I actually thank God, we have Topix, because there is NOT ONE JW board, I have used, except http://christian.forumatic.com/ who ALLOW the full truth and severity of the Bethel “operation of error” to be fully spoken about.

JWN and Cedars only allow their take, to be expressed, they filter out those who point out that this is PROPHECY that precedes the TEMPLE JUDGMENT FINAL ROUND.

But THAT is also why Topix is a global leader in Web enterprising, top 2000 global web sites. Because they aint sissies, and they know fresh content, and lots of it, is king on the net.

And so God has built an ad hod congregation here, taking advantage of the open and liberal Topix mindset and web wisdom. Topix aint number 1100 globally, for no good reason. They know what they are doing when it comes to web traffic, first off.

Of course every system can improve.

[QUOTE who=”El Cacique”]I do understand that from your way of thinking this place is good for spreading you message. I happen to not agree. But, you have not been personally offensive to me. However, I do find you polite for the most part.
So, on that point…..All the best.
El Cacique

This place is good, because they do not kick you out for speaking the truth of Bethel’s prophetic apostasy signal. And they rank HIGH. For example, if I put a thread heading on topix, it will get better search return from Google, than my 10,000 page blog, in most circumstances.

For example this Topix thread:

JW(-UN).Org Flags Flap over Swiss JW-UN-NGO Convention

with little real info, out ranks this blog post with much more info:

JW UN NGO – Tip of the Iceberg of Bethel Subversion

And for a while these Topix posts:

JW UN NGO Information, Details and Prophecy

JW UN NGO – Tip of the Iceberg of Bethel Subversion

Were Google page one, when posted on Topix, for “jw un ngo” search. This is because Topix high traffic and well established great Google reputation, means their headings rank better, from the get go.

So, with SEO in mind, that is why they are good for web content expansion.

All the best too.


[QUOTE who=”FutureMan”]<quoted text>
Actually there does seem to be an (Artificial intelligence) automated process of scrubbing some posts immediately depending on what there is listed their blacklist, and others are put on hold for review by moderators to determine whether either that post or links contained within are allowed on the Topix forum.
For instance I have posted comments containing a link to a certain Russian news site, of which my whole post was promptly removed.

Might be, but Topix has tech issues too, imo.

But they are pretty liberal overall, imo.

But I have noticed, you may see a post #suchandsuch, but another person cannot see it. It shows up for you, so you think nothing is wrong, but it won’t show up for other accounts.

But Google does this too. Not sure how it is activated, may be bot run.

Now letting people build much of your content, has its advantages. I probably drive in 1000 people a month, due to these content volume effects for Topix.

So, smart web developers, allow more content generated for free, from users, where as some of the other forums are over policed by the daisies that run them, you know.

But if one has a bland non threatening status quo message, they are cool with the cows among us. So you may be hitting too much “eye opening” things, in some of your posts, not sure.

You may run some tests on what you think is a trigger link to filter.

I have also found, which makes me think of SQL errors, that a post was dropped. When I rephrased it to smaller chunks, it shows up. But that is rare, but it has happened.

You may notice the “time delay” on some posts. That is why I think they have server issues, they are like GoDaddy, doing the bare minimum in their tech investment end, and cramming it in the meantime. Juggles, work arounds, rather than spend the 200 grand for server updates, but I have not research their servers at robtex.com and others, so I can’t really say, just takign a guess based on certain recurring anomalies and crammed system indications.

[QUOTE who=”01Blacksheep”]Read most of Crisis of Conscience book….had some interesting points. the gog of Magog prophecy and the wormwoood prophecy are interesting too maybe you should take a look at them also.
It’s interesting that although you kinda imply the waters are gonna flood over so to speak, I notice in none of your warnings how Once the waters have reached clear up to the neck, that those who are touching his (Gods) people are like those who are touching his eyeball….it is then that gog of Magog will feel the full wrath of Gods fury.
Although God puts it into their hearts to carry out his purpose, it is actually already in them….and then when they attack his people God will destroy them…they are numerous described as cloud masses….it leads to Armageddon…..this isn’t from the wt its from cross referencing although it’s in harmony with the wt new revised understanding.[/QUOTE]

Gog “congregated congregation” is under world government. See any world government out there yet? Nope. That has to come BEFORE Christ arrival, for its completion will get that response many have been warned about.

So “Gog’s attack” comes with world government, the global “congregation”, the completed “gathering” of Revelation 16:13-16, total GLOBALIZATION based “World Government”.

Of course all will understand well before world government, that it is real, and it is coming, and it will get worse as the years roll by.

We can all count to 8 can’t we? I mean 8, comes after 7, right? As in the *th King, comes AFTER the 7th King falls, soon. (Dan11:41-43; Rev13:3)

Now that US EU mega fall, will be NOTICEABLE, and it will produce very severe global ramifications, and JWs will MISPERCEIVE that “tribulation” AS IF, it is “the end”.

It will not be the end. The 7ht King fall, is required before 8th King World Government full global rise. 7 to 8, 7,8, the end.

The 7th King fall, or “sword stroke” principle REPEATING, allows a global healing to also REPEAT. Thus world government takes advantage of that healing, as per Rev13:3, and they present world government in the upswing. After this crash, comes a globally hopeful “let the nations regain power” of Isa41:1, a “sword stroke”, that heals, so that everyone can accept the world government solution:

(Revelation 13:3) 3 And I saw one of its heads AS THOUGH slaughtered to death, but its death-stroke got healed, and all the earth followed the wild beast with admiration.

The deathstroke, is not really a death stroke, it is AS THOUGH, it makes people think it is doomsday. Thus, when the final world war ends, it can be perceived as hopeful, world “peace and security”, so that people accept world government, “follow the wildbeast”, WITH ADMIRATION.



[QUOTE who=”01Blacksheep”]<quoted text>

Think I understood that…hmmm, So then the *death stroke* will be something similar to the whole 1914 wt saga so to speak ie end if the world theme, then all of a sudden there is a reality check there is a perception of something hopeful to look forward to??? Which would be paralleling with worldly people looking at the wild beast with admiration…(decieved) ?

Revelation 13:3.


“something similar to the whole 1914 wt saga so to speak”—EXACTLY!

The second witnessing, REPEATS the EXACT SAME sovereign theme as the first witnessing of 1914-1918. BUT this time, rather than be the “League of Nations” first step to world government, it will be “8th King” WORLD GOVERNMENT, this time, complete.

And because it repeats, and many can make that connection you just made, this kind of repetition will help Jehovah’s witnesses and others REALIZE what this IS all leading to: World Government, and that will trigger Christ’s arrival, and sovereign response, aka Armageddon

And yes, while the world is seeing this world government coming with a “sword stroke” “healing”, and celebrating “admiring” it (Rev13:3, also see Rev17:8), Jehovah’s witnesses and other affected Christians understanding the REAL RAMIFICATIONS world government will trigger, will have a different outlook to be hopeful about.

Christ will literally be arriving anytime after they cease that “Second” of the “TWO witnesses”. (Rev11:7-12)

This second witnessing, this coming final warning, MUST yet go forth [1], and totally complete. And because it STARTS (1Pet4:17), with the temple judgment of Jehovah’s witnesses (Dan8:13-14) FIRST, and we have to disclose it all after it runs its full timed course (Dan8:14), it will have a great credible event to begin the final explanation period.

That recovery, in the Daniel 8:14 “RIGHT CONDITION” OF THE TEMPLE, must lead to the final 1260 days timing, amidst similar events as the League of Nations also presented themselves within: a global “sword stroke” to “healing” cycle.

It just REPEATS. It just REPEATS. TWO “witnessings”.

And in that future repeat, of course it happening a SECOND TIME in similar global circumstances, aids its recognition, while defending the 1914-1918 “first witness” of Jehovah’s witnesses. The second witness, the last warning, REAFFIRMS the 1914-1918 message, and it REPEATS it.

But of course updated for modern world government warning.

It boils down to a very simple truth:

8th King World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3; Dan12:11), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

Of course world government maturing WILL be noted by the whole world. So they can catch on, in some of them, of what it will mean.

So God is clearly laying out, based on a well known and established JW prophecy “boilerplate” “master pattern”, THE GLOBAL CIRCUMSTANCES THAT >>WILL<< LEAD TO CHRIST’S ARRIVAL.

Because Bethel will not divulge that SIMPLE SUMMARY, they have to be judged first in the process. Bethel is accounted first, because:

1. Christendom goes down under world government (Rev17:15-18), their global scale is too enormous to be concentrated on at this time.

2. Bethel is the perfect place for a prophetic proportions judgment to occur, and that first and soon. (Dan8:13-14; Zech3:1-5; Mal3:1-5; Rev8:3-5) Bethel’s judgment will demonstrate the FIRST stage (1Pet4:17), of the final prophecy cycle. That will aid the rest of the explanation that must fully explain WHY Bethel went down hard. (Dan8:13-14)

3. The Temple Judgment of Jehovah’s witnesses will aid final prophecy cycle awareness based on a huge major event on the JW organization visible epicenter of judgment. ?(Dan8:13-14; Dan11:41)


By us disclosing the Bethel apostasy, after temple judgment, from our own mouth, the final prophecy gains credible traction, while JWs now have become a globally focused development, and when Bethel is “attacked”, it will only get more and more global attention.

Thus when God brings forth the real update, that “second witness”, it will be in an optimized context of PEAK GLOBAL ATTENTION on Jehovah’s witnesses.

The Temple Judgment of Jehovah’s Witnesses is TIMED!

Now many will doubt this all now, so God has provided Daniel 8:13-14 temple judgment prophecy, AND ITS TIMING, to verify this. We can understand why JWs will doubt this >at first<.

But, as an example, anyone who doubts now, can do ONE SIMPLE THING.

Get a calendar.

Then, in the future, when the JW “constant feature” is cancelled, and Bethel starts to be globally “trampled”, THEN mark that date, day and year on that calendar. Then just wait and see, what happens 3.19 years into that prophecy, from that start event (whatever it may be, MARK YOUR CALENDAR!) (Dan8:13-14; Hos6:1-3; Isa37:30-32)

That 3.19 years, that is 1150 days of the possible 2300 days of Daniel 8:14. It starts with “the evening” phase of the 2300 “evenings and mornings” (Dan8:26), as it appears the temple judgment is also phased, read Daniel 8:14 and Daniel 8:26, with that timing and phasing in mind. So we may have a “the evening” phase (3.19 years), and a “the morning” phase recovery, (3.19 years). BUT, at a minimum, we will have 3.19 years to track.

Daniel 8:13-14 is a very very very important future prophecy!

And that is why God requires Daniel 8:13-14 first:

1. It provides the timing, to verify the prophecy, later.

2. It outlines the events of the temple judgment “trampling” of apostate Bethel.

3. It is phased, “the evening” phase is first, 3.19 years. That “the morning” (Rev9 parallel), or recovery phase, is last, and it is at least 3.19 years overall temple judgment timing and most likely 6.38 years, or 2300 days.

In this way, the final clarifications can be made, aided by the temple judgment events, BEFORE the 1260 days of Revelation 11:2-3 begins. This is so the final warning will be complete in full meaning, BEFORE God deploys it, with great current judgment evidence to give it great credibility.

Now being Jehovah’s witnesses, we know Daniel 7:25, Daniel 12:7 and Revelation 11:2-3, Revelation 12:14 and Revelation 13:5-7 ALL have 1260 days parallels. And by that “time, times and half a time” “cross reference” as being about one time period in parallel, we know all th other details that are to accompany the context in which that final warning will emerge.

Another thing to keep in mind, is as Jehovah’s witnesses, or influenced by their Bible understanding since 1914, we have never seen an actual judgment of God as the brothers and sisters did in 1914-1918. So, this is going to be HUGE EVENTS, OF “PROPHETIC PROPORTIONS”, TO WAKE THE WORLD UP, as well as now derailed Christians. (Matt25:1-13, Hag2:7)

When events are happening on our own TV’s, it will give greater impact and credibility to the final warning. Now WW1, 1914-1918, was just such a judgment period, marked by real world events, happening right outside people’s front door. Now true, they had no TV’s, but one of the reasons the Bible Students then Jehovah’s witnesses became so credible, is they explained a prophecy that just happened, a prophecy PEOPLE COULD SEE WITH THEIR OWN EYES!

And now that same thing “something similar to the whole 1914 wt saga so to speak” and it “world war 1”, is TO REPEAT. And because we understand that 1914-1918 was a valid divine warning, based on a prophecy OF GOD HIMSELF, fully accurate, we have the final forecast already. The final forecast is based on the first forecast. The “second witness”, is based on the “first witness”, TWO global witnessings in that “TWO witnesses” symbology. [1]


From what you said, you are seeing how this thing works on that repeating principle. [2]

Now EVERYTHING is repeating. In fact Bethel’s apostasy, repeats the Christendom apostasy principle, which led to judgment, so that Bethel’s temple judgment, will be a repeating principle we all already understand, because Jehovah’s witnesses were tasked with fully explaining all that, since after 1919. Now we know why, it also applies to the final cycle!

Make a mental note, and watch Daniel 8:13-14 temple judgment events and TIMING, affirm itself first. That prophecy unfolding as stated and timed, is what will give all this far more credibility in the future, when you too, SEE ALL THIS OCCUR!

After that, we will have to “get up” (Rev11:1, Zech4:1), and TELL THE WORLD ALL ABOUT IT! And that will become, in time, the final witnessing of 1260 days, preceding world government, hence preceding the Christ arrival. The temple judgment timing, will give the rest of this prophecy, great credibility in the future. Stay alert, mark your Daniel 8:13-15 Calendar when Bethel starts to really get invaded, BIG TIME!. (Dan11:41; Dan8:13-14)

(As we know in Watchtower July 15, 2015, Bethel themselves are forecasting their own invasion “siege”, and they themselves are saying they will cancel the JW ministry. Keep that in mind, Bethel is “self fulfilling prophecy” their own downfall, but with the “its the end of the world brothers! effect, so JWs misperceive the Bethel downfall, AS THOUGH, it is “the end”, too soon, as per 2Thess2:1-2. Of course such a major delusion, will delay JWs. And that is why Bethel is employing just such a delusion, at this time. [3] The modern Bethel delusion, is a smokescreen, so JWs do not figure out it was the temple judgment for quite some time, hence the Daniel 8:13-14 significant timing.)


Why TWO Witnesses?


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Repeating Cycles: The Whole Prophecy Repeats Starting With The Temple Judgment Portion



Bethel’s Armageddon Hoax Basics


Russia Framed as King North—The Purpose

[QUOTE who=”array”]<quoted text>I want to know why you have so much admiration for Fred Franz?
it was he that cowered to Rutherford over the name of Jehovah, knowing full well it was not in the NT as he testified, and it was Fred that went along with Woodworth on the blood doctrine you know the medical obsessive nut that said he battled demons.


Moments of weakness. JFR was the arse kicker, not Fred Franz.

But, Joe Rutherford and Fred Franz were a TEAM. JF saved Bethel from the 1917 apostasy now rampant there [1], way back in 1917, he kicked their sorry “board of directors”butts out the door, when they tried to pull that GB stunt in 1917!

GOOD for him! LOL

See, Joe wasn’t running a Daisy Farm, he was the main spearhead after Russell to COMPLETE A MISSION FROM GOD! THE “FIRST” WITNESSING!

And guess what, he accomplished the mission with all the brothers and sisters who met approval from God, as God knows, not our own judgment.

Now I respect Fred Franz’s God given insight in prophecy and its core communicative base symbology. Russell laid the basic clarifications to the core God and Christ objectives, Rutherford made sure the ship was not taken over from 1917 to 1942, and Fred Franz harmonized the whole thing to total depth of prophetic ,meaning, 1-2-3. (While Knorr concentrated on ministry global expansion.)

But Joe Rutherford, given the attempted takeovers he dealt with (1917 and 1918) [1], is to me the most important personage in bridging the JW ministry from UN 1.0 prophecy of the League, 1919, to UN 2.0 prophecy that Knorr hit out of the park, for God, in 1945.

Because after Russell died, they did try to hi-jack the org, as they have done NOW. NOW is the time of Bethel’s big problems, all this Russell and Rutherford minutia, is just a distraction from the far more serious problem JWs NOW have NOW, NOW, NOW.

Without bridging and NAILING the meaning of these first two steps to world government, 1919, 1945, we would not now be able to connect the 3rd (1990) and future 4th (future) steps to full world government. [2]

But most JWs are either asleep, or distracted to things that do not matter. In reality all of God’s spiritual guides, in Russell, Rutherford and Fred Franz, all worked as one, and built upon the place the other left off at—in harmony.

It is modern Bethel, that is the apostate joke! All we need is a final round, to get rid of the Bethel apostates (Dan8:13-14; Zech3:1-5), and expose them as per prophecy, to form that “second witness” final warning. [3]

2/2 Apostate Bethel’s judgment, and then full global disclosure even aided by Caesar’s prosecutions, is what STARTS the final prophecy cycle. (1Pet4:17)

As far as little quirks of personality, all people have them, so I don’t get hung up on that kind of minutia about JF. But given the strong arm snakes JFR was dealing with, God picked the right snake fighter, he didn’t put in a wimp, and JF knew law and business protection strategies, because they were tying to take over Bethel, since 1917 [1]. In fact in 1897 they tried a similar move on Russell, but he too was no legal or spiritual dummy.

But IN 1976, they finally succeeded in getting “board of directors” in place as a dictatorial unit. [1] It has been downhill for JWs ever since. But I don’t blame Franz or Knorr, God had to permit the Korah GB development (2Thess2:11-12), to fully mark the final temple judgment cause of the future. (Zech3:1-3; Dan8:13-14)

I just call it for what it is, Russell, Franz and Rutherford were the “real McCoy”, nothing fake about them, like today’s Bethel actors. (Dan11:32a) None of them were perfect, we already got one of them, the one and only: Jesus Christ.

In time God will lay Bethel low, and give Fred Franz the final word, and even exonerate Ray Franz, while pinning the dirt on the ILLEGAL GB, once and for all time.

The GB, is who ruined JWs. It is that simple. Russell, Rutherford and Fred Franz were blessing of God. Of course people are going to knock them, as they did their master Christ as well. It is all normal, par for the truth course.


1944 Governing Body Birthday—1914-1976 WTBTS Board of Directors Coup Finally Realized


Four 8th King UN Cycles to World Government – 1919-Future

UN 1. 1919 – Rev13:11-15 (Dan12:11 first fulfillment) as League of Nations after WW1;

A. International Bible Students Association (IBSA) explained as prophecy;

UN 2. 1945 – Rev17:8-11 as United Nations after WW2;

A. Jehovah’s Witnesses (JW) explained as prophecy;

Unknown and unstated by UN NGO allied Bethel and Jehovah’s witnesses:

UN 3. 1990 – Daniel 11:31b as United Nations “New World Order” Initiative after WW3 (Cold War) (Dan11:29);

A. Covered up by Bethel as UN NGO, not explained as prophecy by any religious group;

[We are Here…]

UN 4. Future – Daniel 11:45; Daniel 8:25; (Daniel 12:11 last fulfillment) as United Nations and World Government after 4th world tribulation/war cycle to come.

A. Not currently explained by Bethel in lieu of a premature “end of the world” deception. (2Thess2:1-2)

B. To be explained after the JW temple judgment desolation, purification and removal of lawless Bethel engineered subversion (2Thess2:1-4; Dan11:30-31; Dan8:11-13);


Why TWO Witnesses?


[QUOTE who=”Michelle”]<quoted text>
Although I must admit your long drawn out postings are being in vain due to what seems to being some type of obsession with bethel, this post is right on the money and I personally enjoyed this post as it’s honesty is well appreciated..
Thank you for speaking up for Jesus…
Your welcome. In the future enormous anti-Bethel events will be but beginning. At that time you will better understand my obsession with that latest noteworthy apostasy.

Because Christ’s message is actually one of salvation for all believers, come the time of his arrival, I am obsessed with making known the scriptural GUARANTEES that Christ will COMPLETE the very ministry he began.

Positive Global Message—Open Global Salvation Opportunity

Global Open Salvation—How Christ Completes His Own Ministry

Now obviously, makign known a WIDE OPEN TO ALL PEOPLE (Rev14:6-8) SALVATION message and GUARANTEE, is an issue to be obsessed with. That is our JOB as Christians.

Now Bethel is dead “set in opposition” to the fullness of this salvation, so of course I care about JWs, as I do for all Christians and people to more fully grasp and value the propehtic GUARANTEES of such a HUGE SALVATION COMING.

So when I see dead lawless evil slave Bethel LIE about all this salvation, of course I must say something. It was the FIRST COMMENDATION of Christ, so it is no passing fancy to expose Bethel’s apostasy as a command of GOOD HIMSELF, through Jesus Christ, God’s Son:

(Revelation 2:2) . . .‘I know your deeds, and your labor and endurance, and that you cannot bear bad men, and that you put those to the test who say they are apostles, but they are not, and you found them liars.

In time God will expose Bethel for the LIARS and UN wildbeast partners, they really are. (Daniel 8:13-14)

They are obscuring the BIG SALVATION MESSAGE, for a bunch of hoops, and dos and don’ts they themselves violate consistently, dfing themselves, by their own mouth.


[QUOTE who=”01Blacksheep”]<quoted text>
So i went off examining the what I thought are pretty loose claims – to my surprise i found cross referencing your scriptural references are somewhat straightwalking..to me its hard to interpret like being on a path yet its very wobbly like a drunken mans walk an talk – no offence intended BTW…..There are many scriptures yourve left out which I think important such as…concerning 1 Peter 4:17 ….
Ezekiel 9:4-6, 37:5,,14, 36:27 11:20, Isaiah 32:15. Concerning Daniel 7:25 – Matthew 24:14. By the way I’m not saying your understanding is correct or incorrect just trying to keep an open mind so far…nevertheless less I should thank-you for the affect as I’ve begun to dig into unfamiliar territory of which I’ve never studied as a jw before.

You are correct. The overall framework of Daniel 7:25, Daniel 12:7 and Revelation 11:2-3, Revelation 12:14 and Revelation 13:5-7 and the core temple judgment of 1 Peter 4:17, Daniel 8:13-14, Revelation 8:3-5, Zechariah 3:1-5, Malachi 3:1-5…

Can reference in every other supporting prophecy in the Bible. THE WHOLE BIBLE “REGISTERS” into the seven trumpets for the final cycle, from temple judgment, to world government, to Christ arrival, to Christ conquest.

ALL OF THAT is in Revelation 8-11, and all the Bible of the other prophets and Psalms, tie in.

The seven plagues are the global context of the seven trumpets, so they are roughly parallel over the same trumpet milestones, but focused on wildebast and world developments to isnpire repentance in many.

So thanks for your scriptures, and I hope you truly stick to your new commitment for total full time Bible study, and praying for faith, strength and wisdom, for God will reveal to you if this is a valid forecast, IF YOU ASK HIM directly, and explicitly so.

Now I KNOW Daniel 8:13-14 will come next, and will in time prove itself to the Jehovah’s witnesses house it is focused on, for the Ezekiel 10 fire cleansing of Zechariah 3:2, as 1Peter 4:17 and the “fire of the altar” of Revelation 8:3-5, there by initiating Revelation 8.

When you see and time these things as I suggested you consider, and ti all comes true, then you may consider the validity of the rest of that “frist witness” forecast, merely applied to the final cycle modern developments.

This is not “my forecast”, it is the start of the “second witness” in unofficial uncommissioned form, because ONLY GOD can start the 1260 days, and when He commissions this final Kingdom proclamation and open salvation invitation, and final warnign, itMUST meet his specification of truth, FIRST. (Rev10:5-11)

And it must make the summary of Revelation 10:5-7, to completion.

Thanks for your positive input, and motivation to study more, I recommend re-reading Fred Franz as well:

JWs: READ Fred Franz NOW!!

I say this, because these ideasshould not be foregin to JWs. Bethel is who dumbed down JWs from the Fred Franz basics. Please read Fred’s books, because those PRINCIPLES form the final witnessign themes.

It STILL APPLIES, and is much deeper than modern Bethel’s acting job.

Sovereign Progression in Seven Bible Chapters


Simple Outline of Major Prophetic Milestones to Armageddon Divine War Finality

Major Prophetic Milestones to Armageddon

Jerusalem Exile=Destruction? 607 BCE versus 586 BCE Dating—All’s Good! All’s Well, Couldn’t Be Better!

“Seven Times” Updates Coming—”Appointed Times of the Nations” Reconsidered, Again



[QUOTE who=”01Blacksheep”]<quoted text>
So i went off examining the what I thought are pretty loose claims – to my surprise i found cross referencing your scriptural references are somewhat straightwalking..to me its hard to interpret like being on a path yet its very wobbly like a drunken mans walk an talk – no offence intended BTW…..There are many scriptures yourve left out which I think important such as…concerning 1 Peter 4:17 ….

Now all this “cross reference” upon the “seven trumpet” prophecy of the final cycle continuum of the future, is put in graphic form, for visualizing it easier, in the images in this thread:


Which were a record for the interested ones on that forum, of this information:

8th King/King North World Government as Simple as Possible

Temple Judgment to World Government to Christ Arrival

And the seven times update of this subject matter:

And it is ALL BASED ON THE PATTERN of the 1914-1918 first witnessing outline, as per this principle:

World Government and Prophecy Repeating Principles

Repeating Cycles: The Whole Prophecy Repeats Starting With The Temple Judgment Portion

God repeats the core patterns and themes, to aid the future understanding when it becomes finalized and complete.

Now like having to know algebra and trig before one embarks of calculus, JWs have a knowledge base they needed to now fully understand in “witnessing 1”, so they can be ready for “witnessing 2”.

But as you know, for the last 25 years, even admitted by Bethel, Bethel has been dumbing down JWs, so they lost the basics of the first witnessing, to impede their future understanding of the second witnessing.

Now Bethel ADMITTED this has been Bethel policy “in recent years”. It was not Fred Franz polcy to baby-talk to Jehovah’s witnesses.

So I examined the Watchtower which Bethel admitted this dumbing down policy, and I explained the real meaning of the “ten virgins” final prophecy cycle, as a parallel parable of the coming temple judgment of Jehovah’s witnesses, and I explained the real purpose that apostate Bethel has been dmbing down JWs, so they lose touch with MODERN prophecy, by losing touch with our foundations since 1914.

That commentary is here:

Ten Virgins and Temple Judgment

Click to access ten-virgns-and-temple-judgment-of-jehovahs-witnesses.pdf

At the end of that article is an examination of Bethel’s waterign down techniques, and why they use them.

Because Bethel has not been teaching JWs the former basics, this may seem a little deep at this time. But had JWs been kept up to date, this stuff would be understandable. And that is why they have been dumbing down JWs.

So keep studying the first witness, definitely re-read the Revelation Grand Climax book, because although that was the first witnessing cycle valid explanation of Revelation (Rev1:1), its PRINCIPLES and patterns will repeat, in the future.

But rather than double jeopardy judge Christendom again, God is now to judge Jehovah’s witnesses to kick off this cycle, as per the principle in 1Peter 4:17.

Keep studying, you will be glad you did, when the temple judgment comes on Bethel next. (Dan8:13-14) The JW temple judgment BEGINS Revelation 8:3-5, and that starts the whole Revelation 8-11 continuum to world government, and Christ arrival.

Fire Purification: Proving the JW Temple Judgment as Daniel 8:13-14 Connection to Revelation 8

It is coming, and when it does, you will then fully know this is all true.


[QUOTE who=”01Blacksheep”]
True, the words of the Bible have been there for centuries and yet the publications prepared by God’s organization are written for millions, …also the counsel at the meetings is intended for the whole congregation…[/QUOTE]

And therein lies the crux of the situation. Bethel’s leadership has disregarded their own advice, and adjoined the UN Secretariat as UN NGO.

THAT is a big NO NO NO in God’s eyes.

Now when Bethel is severely judged, you can know now, and you can know then, the UN NGO is he biggest sin, and why God had to sack Bethel.

The UN NGO, is the “transgression causing desolation” of Daniel 8:13, in cross relation to Daniel 11:31b, when Bethel helped the UN place the disgusting thing, as a UN NGO partnered global JW advertising agency.

THAT UN NGO, NO-NO-NO-NO-NO-NO will have severe future consequences. (Dan11:13-14; Dan11:41)

JWs have been severely compromised by Bethel.

JW UN NGO Prophecy, Information and Details

JW UN NGO – Tip of the Iceberg of Bethel Subversion

How UN NGO Bethel Joined the “UN System” under the “UN Secretariat” Principal UN Organ

When UN NGO Bethel Placed The Disgusting Thing

1990: 3RD UN Presentation—The Key to Modern Bethel Reality


[QUOTE who=”01Blacksheep”]<quoted text>
I read in the crisis of conscience book by Franz that an application of withdrawl was processed, then responded to as accepted…so no longer having any information processing affiliation. You should read it.[/QUOTE]

The Ray Franz thing has a background purpose. They wanted to make sure of the following, by getting rid of Ray ILLEGALLY:

1. They did not want to update 607 BCE to the Babylon Nebuchadnezzar ascension of 607 BCE, which actually starts the “gentile” timing. In that way the Daniel 4 prophecy is 100% explainable, while retaining the whole first witnessing import, 100%. That seven times link explains the concepts.

Now how does Ray Franz tie in?

Well Ray Franz was starting to discover their needs to be this update, and he was reading Olof Jonsson’s research, which would remove a stumbling block at the back end dating glitch, while still preserving the 1914 connection, and the sovereign import would be amplified by this update.

2. Now in the overall strategy, they did not want Fred Franz to “pass the torch” to Ray Franz. And in 1990, when we needed to also update King North as only possible to be world government, as marked by that now silenced 1990 3rd UN prophecy, as the USSR failed, Fred Franz was taken off the scene. And NO ONE was there to make this update, and King North took over Bethel, 100%, as per Daniel 11:32a.

THAT is why they pulled the Ray Franz stunt, he would have been the next link, to post Fred Franz truth, because he was smart and studious and spiritual like Fred Franz.

THAT is why they axed him, and he resigned. And it worked, JWs have all the errors in place, and a UN NGO, all sealed in concrete when Fred Franz died.

I have read Crisis and In Search of, so please clarify what you are talking about.



EVERY WEIRD ODDITY AT BETHEL, HAS A DEEPER REASON, AND A DEEPER PURPOSE. Daniel 11:30-32 was marked in 1990 3rd UN event. THAT is that “place the disgusting thing” of Daniel 11:31b, that Bethel joined as UN NGO. They are the ones in Daniel 11:30b, who are “left the holy covenant”. And that is why they do not explain the easy to see King North world government conenction.

As per Daniel 11:32a, Bethel is run by King North, from the inside. That GB is all CIA and that kind of intelligence undercovers. FAKES. And they are setting up the corporate takeover of Bethel, from within.

Getting rid of Ray Franz, ENSURED post 1990 would go as planned, and that the 607 glitch would NOT be updated.

I tell you this, and you WILL see it:

1. God Almighty HIMSELF will EXONERATE Ray Franz, while…

2. He judges, condemns and exposes that ILLEGAL Governing Body entity, FOREVER. (Rev8:10-11; Isa66:6)

That will all occur over the full temple judgment of Daniel 8:13-14, on the way.


[QUOTE who=”01Blacksheep”]<quoted text>
Clarifying: Regarding WTS affiliation with the UN through its DPI via a NGO in 1991, an application requesting termination of its association with DPI was made. In affect, In accordance with their request in 2001 the decision to disassociate was granted as of Oct 9 2001. This leads one to believe, the WTS is no longer affiliated nor partnered as a UN NGO as you suggest are currently. This also suggests the WTS does not currently support nor is under obligation to respect the principals of Charter of the UN. In effect they are no longer obliged to commit, contribute or participate in relation towards information programmes with the UN constituents…..So that’s a good thing.
Thankyou for the other info.[/QUOTE]

Too little too late overall though. First off, the UN “disassociated” the WTBTS first. Bethel just reacted to save face, as if it was never exposed by King North press with 911, they would still be UN NGO.

Secondly, the UN NGO is the bootstrap to the OSCE and other IGO affiliations that WTBTS is now active with through the “freedom of religion” wrapper, for what is an armaments control lobby, for globalist use.

In effect WTBTS is a lobby for UN agenda mainulations, and the UN NGO was the conduit for these harder to detect IGO side affiliations, with no labels as such for the WTBTS. So they have in essence graduated in their UN function, while seemingly not being in partnership, but they are, from the IGO rings.

But it will get dead serious, because Jehovah does not appreciate being involved with the UN, regardless of the excuses of negligent Bethel. But by ONE READ of Daniel 11:32a, we KNOW the internal Bethel apostasy is King North run, King North] “leads into apostasy those acting wickedly against the holy covenant.

Since 1919, the “holy covenant” is only associated with the anointed Christian Jehovah’ witness ministry. So, Bethel is the locale of this apostasy, led by, King North. And only Bethel can be those actively “leaving the holy covenant” in Daniel 11:30b; since 1919, Christendom was IDd as ALREADY left, ONLY Bethel can apply to Daniel 11:30.

Now in Daniel 11:31a, “there will be arms that stand up, proceeding from him” (King North), is the internal spiritual profaning arms INSIDE of Bethel, to “profane the fortress, constant feature and sanctuary”, as the agents of Daniel11:32.

1. Now we have a 3rd UN event of 1990, that was just as foretold and prophetic as UN 1 of 1919, and UN 2 of 1945. Yet Bethel remains SILENT.

2. And “THEY”, as in Daniel 11:31b “they”, also went UN NGO, while this was silenced, while they partnered with the UN to be revealed in 2001.

The spiritual damage is done, Bethel is “entered” in initial Daniel 11:41 form.

But when the “transgression causing desolation” “trampling” of Daniel 8:13 starts, for that UN NGO “transgression” connected to that “disgusting thing causing desolation” UN 3.0, Dan11:31b, UN NGO Bethel version (Matt24:15), then Daniel 11:41 “invasion” will go FULL BLOWN.

It will be Daniel 11:41 as the Daniel 8:13 context.

And how is Bethel even now selling that to JWs? As Daniel 11:44. Overadvanced too far into Daniel 11, so JWs will think, in error, it is “the end”, too soon, as per 2Thess2:1-2.

Jot this down, it will begin to hit, with a global downturn, or false flag, in some manner, within a little more time.

These connections will prove themselves in Daniel 8:13 events, timed as Daniel 8:14.


And in time, this will ALL be required to be covered in the “second witnessing”, that this will elad to, and provide affirmation events to prove.

The more astounding this becomes, the more astounding will be the prophecy affirming “second witness” evidence as well. THAT is why God permits this “operation of error” (2Thess2:11-12), so the temple judgment, when it passes, can be explained fully, with undeniable evidence which the Bethel apostasy is chapter one, little scroll message.

But there is more to the “little scroll”, it will forecast world government, and who it shall TRIGGER in God and Christ’s arrival.

[QUOTE who=”01Blacksheep”]<quoted text>
So i went off examining the what I thought are pretty loose claims – to my surprise i found cross referencing your scriptural references are somewhat straightwalking..to me its hard to interpret like being on a path yet its very wobbly like a drunken mans walk an talk – no offence intended BTW…..There are many scriptures yourve left out which I think important such as…concerning 1 Peter 4:17 ….
Ezekiel 9:4-6, 37:5,,14, 36:27 11:20, Isaiah 32:15. [/QUOTE]

Now you mentioned Isaiah 32.

(Isaiah 32:14-15) . . .For the dwelling tower itself has been forsaken, the very hubbub of the city has been abandoned; Ophel and the watchtower themselves have become bare fields, for time indefinite the exultation of zebras, the pasture of droves; 15 until upon us the spirit is poured out from on high, and the wilderness will have become an orchard, and the orchard itself is accounted as a real forest.

Now speaking of Isaiah, think of this “second witness” concept, that JWs will have to be accepting (and deploying) in the future, in relation to these Isaiah statements of God concerning this “new” “second witnessing” requirement and truths, “kept in reserve” for the future final proclamation:

(Isaiah 48:6-7) You have heard. Behold it all. As for you people, will you not tell [it]? I have made you hear new things from the present time, even things kept in reserve, that you have not known. 7 At the present time they must be created, and not from that time, even things that before today you have not heard, that you may not say, ‘Look! I have already known them.’

(Isaiah 42:9) . . .“The first things—here they have come, but new things I am telling out. Before they begin to spring up, I cause you people to hear [them].”

(Isaiah 43:18-19) 18 “Do not remember the first things (1914-1919), and to the former things do not turn your consideration. 19 Look! I am doing something new. Now it will spring up. you people will know it, will you not?

Now PART of the purpose of the coming temple judgment, is to help “MAKE OTHERS UNDERSTAND what has been heard”:

(Isaiah 28:18-19) And your covenant with Death will certainly be dissolved, and that vision of yours with Sheol will not stand. The overflowing flash flood, when it passes through—you must also become for it a trampling place. 19 As often as it passes through, it will take you men away, because morning by morning it will pass through, during the day and during the night; and it must become nothing but a reason for quaking TO MAKE OTHERS UNDERSTAND what has been heard.” (Dan11:41; Dan8:13-14)


[QUOTE who=”01Blacksheep”]<quoted text>
Clarifying: Regarding WTS…[/QUOTE]

Now really the most important book, with valid meaning and prophecy principles is the Revelation Grand Climax book. It is the Revelation information Fred Franz had developed in two initial sections, first section in Babylon the Great Has Fallen Book (1963) and the portion in the 1969 “Then is Finished the Mystery of God” quoting Revelation 10:5-7 idea.

Now that thing nails the UN 1919, and UN 1945 prophecy meaning. Of course this is important, because that entity will complete into world government, and it is all foretold why these things MUST fully complete, to their fullness, including this world’s defiance of God’s Kingdom.

The 1988 Revelation—Its Grand Climax Has Approached, (RGC) is the summary of that 1963-1969 Revelation insight. We get IMPORTANT PATTERNS and world government basis from that first explanation. This is why one should really read this book, with a view to the pattern repeating and finalizing in the future. Which I will outline at the end of this post.

Now when we track post 2001 911 developments in GWOT, and post 2008 “global credit crisis” “financial blueprint for a new global financial system”, and the huge debt that developed since 2001 in the US and EU, we KNOW the manner in which the “7th King” “King South” controlled “crisis” and transformation to world government subservience (Dan11:42-43) is developing.

The point is the nation-state classic “old” “world power” system amalgam is to implode in grand global fashion, BY DESIGN, with the financial compromise of whole EU and US governments will lead the plunge (Dan11:42-43).

Thus the simple outline continuing where Fred Franz was cut short at (1992), while Bethel went UN NGO (1991) while COVERING UP the 1990 3rd UN prophecy (Dan11:31b; Dan8:23) as they work for the real “King North” 8th King world government project internally (Dan11:32a; Dan8:12), to effectively derail JWs into delusion, is that Bethel is the signal UN aligned apostasy of modern note. (Dan11:30-35, Dan8:11-13)

THE APOSTASY PATTERN WE EXPOSED IN CHRISTENDOM, AS EXPLAINED IN RGC BOOK, IS NOW >>REPEATING<<. Now if that apostasy has repeated, so will everything else. And in the RGC outline of the “first witness” themes, we know the final pattern of the final cycle, because we know the first pattern of 1914-1919, and 1919-1922.

Plus, in that first witness framework of arranged prophecy, we can cross reference and cross test EVERY aspect of the continuum of events and milestones that lead to the Christ arrival.

Meaning, we can prove what comes after the apostasy: TEMPLE JUDGMENT. And the purpose of the temple judgment, is to clean up the final forecast from Bethel error. And from the temple judgment, EVERYTHING ELSE will unfold as per Revelation 8-11  (and every supporting prophecy).

1. Trumpets 1-4; Temple Judgment (Rev8)

Therefore this repeated but modern apostasy will ignite a judgment on the JW organization, which will be prophetically timed as Daniel 8:13-14 ignites Daniel 11:41, first (1Pet4:17) As the 7th King nation-state system goes into its meltdown phase (first four plagues, btw) for 7th King fall and 8th King rise, the context for JW org visible corporate “trampling” of Daniel 8:13-14 will form, and the temple judgment will go in action, in some manner the future will fully reveal. (Dan11:41; Dan8:13-14)

2. Trumpets 5-6; Temple purification (Rev8-9) and Final Commission (Rev10)

The temple judgment is all for the purpose of forming an eventual recovery (Zech3:4-9), in which the Bethel apostasy (Dan11:32a; 2Thess2:1-4) and everything they are now covering up (Dan8:12) regarding 7th King downfall (Dan11:42-43). They are also covering up the final phae of the repeating UN abyss plunge and rise (Rev17:8-13; Rev11:7) and its repeating global “sword-stroke” (Rev13), to ascend the 8th King world government eventual “rise” (Rev17:8-13). That MUST be exposed, just as was done to Christendom in their Revelation 8 fulfillment of the first Revelation cycle and its aftermath.

That will become part of:

3. The Final Warning of the “second witness” of the “two witnesses” (Rev11)

And by that time, that final warning will be totally complete (Rev10:5-7), and must precede full world government full “8th King” finality by at least 1260 days as Revelation 11:2-3, parallels Revelation 13:5, 12:14 and Daniel 12:7, Daniel 7:25 enroute to full world government. (Dan11:45; Dan8:25; Rev17:8-18) Of course we have to warn of world government BEFORE it completes, when the warning can be useful.

4. World Government Triggers Christ’s Arrival

That final warning is ceased under “ascended” (Rev11:7) world government as Revelation 11:7-10, climaxing Revelation 13:5-7. That leads to the Daniel 12:11 dual criteria met, activating the final 1290 days, in which period, Christ arrives (Rev14:1-7), triggered by complete world government. (Rev11:11-12; Matt24:29-31; Rev14:1-9; Dan11:45; Dan8:25) Christ gathers global sheep, BEFORE total global conquest. (Rev14:14-16; Matt25:31-40)

7th Trumpet = Christ Conquest


And that is what apostate Bethel is concealing, and why they go down first, but God will prevent the 8th King “tramplers” from extending out to capture all JWs globally scattered. (Hos1:4-7)

That is the “interval” they are now priming JWs for, to “obey and be blessed”, to obey the GB and JW org, “as crazy as it may sound” (WT 11/15/13, pg. 20, par. 17; WT 7/15/15 “Your Deliverance is Getting Near”), to aid the attempted global JW capture campaign, from the Pied Piper JW org and GB apostates and impostors.

Eventually the GB and Bethel apostates and impostors neutralization operation will be completed 100% (Dan8:14 timing), to allow the recovery of the final second witness warning, with ZERO Bethel obstructions. (Isa66:6; Isa28; Zech4:6-9)


World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3; Dan12:11), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

THAT is the simple main point. As complex as it is as far as every prophecy being called into action, and totally complete sovereign ultimatum from God’s Kingdom to be carried out by that final witnessing, it all boils down to concepts a seven year old can comprehend. It is complete, it will have 100% prophecy explanation, and yet a simple main point anyone can grasp while world government rears its ugly head, for FINAL PROOF.

The fact it has to AFFIRM the first witness, but be a modern final witness, is what aids its understanding. Many people know the basic outline Jehovah’s witnesses have globally established. Revelation is the hub of that total propehcy convergence, in those “seven trumpets”. The “seven trumpets” is the whole outlined gauge to Christ arrival.

[QUOTE who=”FutureMan”]Yes I do believe that it will be the year for revelation, some of which people will not like and even be quite angry when they find out the real truth.
“The elements getting intensely hot and all that”.
2 Peter 3
But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the heavenly bodies will be burned up and dissolved, and the earth and the works that are done on it will be exposed. (English Standard Version)

God is about truth. PLAIN TRUTH as well.

Even if it is generic truth, such as Alex Jones covers, it too will be “vindicated”, but first in the process. And because the generic baseline truth of the world government objective is so basically “non-religious” in basic dimensions of proof (financial and military/martial police state evidence, and what have you), it will be fully affirmable by real developments in the coming days.

In that way the fact the “conspiracy theorists” will have to be given credit for this baseline truth, becoming reality one step at a time. We are getting warning from all quarters of society, prior to these developments inundating the nation state systems of the US and EU, several times more severe than the 2008 “global credit crisis” burp.

So God can open the GENERIC truth, from the baseline, that all this world government stuff, and the formulaic and cyclic developments and global circumstances that lead to it, are indeed ALL TRUE.

It will be up to people to connect the dots to the triggering of the Christ arrival, to offer personal flaming retort to the to-be-eventually-completed world government rival “8th King”, which he will view as an illegal contender for HIS Earthly throne.

Of course a Christian final witnessing will aid this process (rev10-11:1-7), upon the same patetrns, upon the rubble of apostate and UN allied Bethel. (Dan8:13-14)

In time, it will come down to the all out global, and close celestial spiritual all out war of Armageddon, where even Satan will be confronted and captured and deposed from earthly influence. along with that final world government rival system, all as forewarned for quite some time.

THAT is the final “dot” all this “conspiracy” TRUTH is going to connect to.

That is why God will FIRST “vindicate” the “conspiracy theorists” as truthful, overall, in basic generic form of what they have been saying all along.



[QUOTE who=”FutureMan”]<quoted text>
He does what he knows best how to do, as trained by the organization.[/QUOTE]

Yes, he is not the only JW I have had this reaction from. It is hard taking the news, of the apostasy, of one’s own “house”. It is going to be very hard on JWs, to let go of their Bethel and GB idols.

And that is why the King North puppet Governign Body, is directing faith to themselves,a nd to the physical and human aspects of “God’s organization”, even calling that thing, “Zion”.

In that way, God and Christ, who are unshakeable, are not the entities in which JWs now put full faith, with no distraction. Nope, the GB has JWs putting faith in things that can and will be TOPPLED like so many rotten eggs on the freeway.

And if JWs are packing their faith on the Bethel Titanic of the JW organization, there faith will go to the bottom of Atlantic with Bethel. THAT is why the GB has JWs string faith, in human things, that are indeed fallible and shakeable.

That JW mindset, is what we call a “recipe for disaster” and the “shipwreck of faith”, and the “hour of test”, all in one tamale of a temple judgment coming on what is actually a grossly blasphemous and negligent JW organization AND its terminally lawless and apostate leadership.


And WHAT does it boil down to?


JWs need slick CEO’s to place their faith in, to make it all real. So, JWs will be put to the test first, so we can ALL LEARN from this set of mistakes, and what they boil down to, so we can put FULL FAITH IN GOD AND CHRIST, ALONE, PERIOD, NO IFS ANDS OR BUTS.

The Bethel House of Idols, is TOAST SOON:

(Isaiah 28:18-19) And your covenant with Death will certainly be dissolved, and that vision of yours with Sheol will not stand. The overflowing flash flood, when it passes through—you must also become for it a trampling place. 19 As often as it passes through, it will take you men away, because morning by morning it will pass through, during the day and during the night; and it must become nothing but a reason for quaking TO MAKE OTHERS UNDERSTAND what has been heard.” (Dan11:41; Dan8:13-14)

And now more than just Jehovah’s witnesses, can benefit from this “understanding”. God is taking the truth to the broadest levels in world history!!!! BIG SALVATION, is the GOAL!

Positive Global Message—Open Global Salvation Opportunity

NO WAY is God limiting salvation to the Bethel and JW circus tightrope walk act! NO FREAKIN’ WAY!!!!!!!


[QUOTE who=”Nedoba “]<quoted text>
There is a grain of truth in what you have said here, relatively speaking. Certain NA tribes are said to go back as much as 43,000 years. I had researched all this a few years ago and was so surprised at what I found from listed reliable and reputable sources.

GOD IS NO FOOL, first off. The Native Americans, and all mankind at one time, KNOW there is a good spirit, and there is a BAD EVIL spirit. We KNOW this.

So God does not have to label himself in all cases, any more than Satan has to. And if Satan is testing and accusing all mankind, every last person born into this world, GOD MUST take the DIAMETRIC OPPOSITE position, as with Job.

God must and will assess al persons, and bend over backward to find one iota to SAVE THE PERSON, because Satan looks for the smallest thing to condemn the person.

God and Satan are EXACT OPPOSITES, to the nth degree.

And if Satan took the time to present himself through many concepts and idea sets, so has God, he ALWAYS has a witness, in all peoples, because he promotes goodness, and good can be found in many people, even if they never heard of Christ and God.

Paul assures us of this:

(Romans 2:12-16) For instance, all those who sinned without law will also perish without law; but all those who sinned under law will be judged by law. 13 For the hearers of law are not the ones righteous before God, but the doers of law will be declared righteous. 14 For whenever people of the nations that do not have law do by nature the things of the law, these people, although not having law, are a law to themselves. 15 They are the very ones who demonstrate the matter of the law to be written in their hearts, while their conscience is bearing witness with them and, between their own thoughts, they are being accused or even excused. 16 This will be in the day when God through Christ Jesus judges the secret things of mankind, according to the good news I declare.

And God will give the native Americans JUSTICE, it is up to each of us to perceive it. I eman what do people think those first four plagues are? A picnic for the Great father in Washington, being kowtowed into world government?

NOPE. Hell on earth is coming for America, in a season with recovery, but the base wrongs will be fully identified before the ride of Christ as the Great White Buffalo of God Almighty’s choosing and command.

But, all men have to eventually get in line with the law of love, God is not partial, but he is just. America has a severe period coming, but ti si NOT “the end”. Then four plagues are designed to wake up, who can be woken up.

God is interested in SAVING people. The Great father of world government, is who wants to remove billions from planet Earth.

So God will instead, ruin them.

(Revelation 11:18) . . .to bring to ruin those ruining the earth.”

This is no joke these generic warnings have been going out for CENTURIES, prior to the arrival of GOD.

(Revelation 1:8) “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says Jehovah God, “the One who is and who was and who is coming, the Almighty.”

It matters now who we are, it is best practice to prepare NOW, for the arrival of GOD, later. HE WILL ARRIVE! You can bet your life on that.

But because people have fallen asleep, the end of the American dream state, is when many will have to WAKE UP. And it is NOT “the end”, it is the required wake up call:

(Haggai 2:7) 7 “‘And I will rock all the nations, and the desirable things of all the nations must come in; and I will fill this house with glory,’ Jehovah of armies has said.

God is God, no matter how He has manifested in person’s awareness. But, Satan is also Satan, we cannot be naive it takes effort to OBEY God’s law of the love of Him, and ALL LIFE on planet earth.

EVERYTHING on earth is our “NEIGHBOR”. Who do we think we are fooling? Right?

Well the Native Americans had a natural respect, in many ways, for their natural neighbors in their natural environment. True, killing each other is not good, as some did that too, but the Americans had a far deeper appreciation of God’s creation, compared to modern society.

All peoples have a generic witness from something or someone.


[QUOTE who=”Nedoba “]<quoted text>
There is a grain of truth in what you have said here, relatively speaking. Certain NA tribes are said to go back as much as 43,000 years. I had researched all this a few years ago and was so surprised at what I found from listed reliable and reputable sources.



Well remember them demons, who had to get permission from Christ, to enter those swine? That is no joke or myth.

A point is, angels when righteous’ have full access to this world. And they have been “in” hawks and and all the creation, in the same principle as that swine “possession”. They know this creation, better than any human, except Christ.

God has designed a universal set of worlds for angels first. Just loom out into the night sky, when you are out in the total dark areas. All angel domains. They are more human than humans understand at present, because they too are in “God’s image”, and man came from that [[same]] image.

People like to think angels are limited to an invisible state of ethereal worlds, which is BALONEY, that they don’t enjoy petting a dog, or being with creation, BULL!

They know every dog who EVER existed, these things are precious to them, and what Christ “gathers” is what is now lost; NOTHING will remain “lost”, Christ “gathers” ALL THINGS, period, ALL THINGS.

Angels are deep and perfect in their limited understanding, as limited as it is compared to the Almighty, it is cubic light years bigger than humans.

So angels have been in and out, and on and around this planet for millions of years, is all I am saying. And it is not astounding, they have God’s image too. It is plain logical.

And accessing the human prototype body, has been accessible to angels long long before “humans” were created, because the angel image, is God’s image, which then became man’s image. Man is new, the form is ancient.

Angels can play guitars, and pianos, they can perform huge calculus levels, they can sing, they can run, they can dance, they can write, they can compose music, there is nothing humans can do as far as talents and skills, that angels cannot also do.

True, as in Jude 6, this is not an angels natural “home”, but who says they can’t visit, that you can’t sit in this one of the many celestial garden planets of God? Who says they can’t come out and play here? WHO? Only some humans doubt these things.

This place was for angels first, even if not their natural abode, they LIKE PLANET EARTH, I can assure you that is true. They have walked and done things here for BILLIONS of years. They saw it all, in total recall.

Get ready to meet a few, I kid you not, and of course I mean in a good and friendly way. (Zech3:6-10)


In the future, when the Great Spirit rules 100%, angels and glories of their power, will be as common to man as seeing the sun rise, or talking to your mother, it will be no big deal, after the initial shock, man will get used to it.

They are coming with Christ, to reclaim their garden courtyard, and to resume use of it as they have for millenniums upon millenniums.

What do people think those billions of galaxies and septillions of “stars” are all about anyways?

(Isaiah 40:25-26) . . .“But to whom can YOU people liken me so that I should be made his equal?” says the Holy One. 26 “Raise YOUR eyes high up and see. Who has created these things? It is the One who is bringing forth the army of them even by number, all of whom he calls even by name. Due to the abundance of dynamic energy, he also being vigorous in power, not one [of them] is missing.

ABOUT THE ANGELS OF GOD, that is what.

Man has MUCH MUCH MUCH to learn from truth page 1, Word One, we know NOTHING yet.

in other words, the universal stars, galaxies and what have you out there, are intimately connected to the angels, God’s “stars”.

In time, this will all be the first things a child learns in the earth’s schools of God Almighty, when the enemies are removed.

And it is a good thing. If men knew the power of angels, and that they can and will face evil men to their face and destroy them to their face, in the future, people will think twice about doing evil when they know angels do exist, and are right beside you, and can manifest in a thousandth of a heartbeat, anytime, anyplace, with zero time, speed limitations. And there power is enormous, so that limit is no issue in handling things of the human world.

(Joel 3:11) . . .To that place, O Jehovah, bring your powerful ones down.

Get ready to meet these “powerful ones” from the “days of time indefinite”!! (Mic5:2)


[QUOTE who=”Mayor”]
Bible literature in Native American languages available free on jw.org

Just King North using the sheepskin, to get into the native American hen house. But in another sense, at least the Bible is getting around.

But Bethel is definitely NOT on the “up and up”, they are a UN NGO UN lobbying and UN NGO and IGO penetrative TOOL of the UN, as if we were all born yesterday.

Russia kicks out UN NGOs.



THAT is why Putin is giving JWs the boot, not because of the “kingdom message”, but because the WTBTS is a CIA and UN infiltration unit.

JWs are too naive to understand the way the world really operates and uses them, to do the UN lobby and Bethel corporate real estate investing and acquisition sector bidding.


[QUOTE who=”01Blacksheep”]<quoted text>
I disagree. I agree with you know who knows whats better…that your pushing ahead, particularly concerning all the gov and dates .if you continue on that track your gonna end up falling…that’s exactly where others before you have fallen. Remember the warning…watch out for that woman Jezebel who teaches and misleads my slaves to commit fornication..that meaning spiritual fornication concerning teachings also…you should be aware of this as you yourself are teaching to focus’s on the progress of gov developments- so wrong[/QUOTE]

Because Bethel has stalled for 25 years and fallen behind, it seems like I am “pushing ahead”. I am pushing ahead of derailed Bethel, but I am barely keeping up with God and Christ, they want it to go further, and they will cause it to progress.

Bethel’s future judgment will prove Daniel 8:13-14. That will prove everything else. But many people must see to believe. I understand that, just remember the rationale here. No one out there knocking Bethel, is also defending 1914, which Bethel’s errors are undermining. Even Bethel is undermining 1914’s first witnessing.

World government is the enemy system goal, that will become more obvious as the “tribulation of those days” runs its course into world government recovery. (Isa41:1; Rev13:3; Rev17:8-12)

Really this forecast is pretty basic, it just connects what the alternative media and globalism researchers are proving concerning economic meltdown coming and world government to result, connected to prophecy, which they are not doing.

[QUOTE who=”01Blacksheep”]Remember the warning…watch out for that woman Jezebel who teaches and misleads my slaves to commit fornication..that meaning spiritual fornication concerning teachings also…you should be [/QUOTE]

Bethel “Mother”, from their own mouth, is that Jezebel, teaching JWs to think the UN NGO is nothing of concern. In that way JWs share with the wildeast, because Bethel is upon it too. And they do not warn JWs to place faith in God and Christ, no, they ENCOURAGE JWs to place faith ALSO in the GB and organization, which is idolatry.

JWs are also sleeping with the GB organ. And like Israel, JWs hera all this, and so ” nah! apostate! It can’t be!”

Same old story as in Israel:

(Hosea 2:1-3) “SAY to your brothers, ‘My people!’ and to your sisters, ‘O woman shown mercy!’ 2 Carry on a legal case with your mother; carry on a legal case, for she is not my wife and I am not her husband. And she should put away her fornication from before herself and her acts of adultery from between her breasts, 3 that I may not strip her naked

It is Bethel who is that UN fornicating mother.

(Hosea 2:5) …their mother has committed fornication.

(Hosea 4:5) And I will put your mother to silence.

And it is Bethel who is that Jezebel, in their mother teachings:

(Revelation 2:22-23) Look! I am about to throw her into a sickbed, and those committing adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of her deeds. 23 And her children I will kill with deadly plague, so that all the congregations will know that I am he who searches the kidneys and hearts, and I will give to you individually according to your deeds.

By events of the temple judgment, is the only way Jehovah’s witnesses will be made to listen and realize the reality of Bethel’s apostasy. If words do not work on Bethel and JWs, and they don’t, then God’s only option is strokes.

This temple judgment will be of “prophetic proportions” on Jehovah’s witnesses for a determination of “foolish” and “wise” “virgins”, and for the future exposure of what Bethel has really been up to. It will be a global scale “bibical proportions” judgment on the whole JW org. No one mocks God, God exposes all transgression, and Bethel is subject to first inspection, and first judgment.

(1 Timothy 5:24-25) . . .The sins of some men are publicly manifest, leading directly to judgment, but as for other men [their sins] also become manifest later. 25 In the same way also the fine works are publicly manifest and those that are otherwise cannot be kept hid.

Bethel will also submit to God’s righteousness, and he will judge and then globally expose them in time.



[QUOTE who=”Nedoba “]<quoted text>
I have quite a collection of NA-themed films on file. If you have any more to share…..I’d enjoy seeing what they are.[/QUOTE]


I assume you alread have the Son of the Morning Star videos?

Well when I did my Custer research in the early 1990s, when I had three months in southern california and enough saved to do this, when I lost my job, I went to the libraries of the universities and the Pasadena Southwest Museum, to get little big horn books.

I have found, INVARIABLY, the best stuff you find well into your research. I found the Even S. Connel book called the Son of the Mornign Star, but when I first saw it, I thought it was one of those corny custer apologist books. I was wrong, it was the last book of that stretch, so I checked it out.

It was the best book of them all, as far as winding all the relevant developments into one narrative. Of course the movie cannot nearly capture, what that book details, in very readable and even humerous manner.

But about a year later, that I found the real total Custer books by Dr. John S. Gray:

Custer’s Last Campaign: Mitch Boyer and the Little Bighorn Reconstructed

Centennial Campaign: The Sioux War of 1876

Custer’s Last Campaign totally details the LBH battle. Centennial Campaign totally details the whole period of events that led to the LBH.

I highly recommend those books for some real thought provoking insights. I also recommend Kate Bighead’s first person account. it is short, but it is more powerful because it is the words of a warrior of the battle, and her narrative, at least to me, had some spine tingling statements. Her book was in special collections of Pasadena Southwest Museum, so it was very very hard to find at that time. I am sure it must be on line now.

Those Thomas Marquis interviews (Kate’s story), and Walter Camp “Field Notes” interviews are of course the most impacting, because they came from participants of the day. But the third hand books I mentioned are also good for tying it all together.


But I was sort of a LBH nut, I would really “go there” at those research times, the whole story touches me in a strange way. But it has affected many people, it is a stunnign story, and the timign of it all is uncanny. If you read Centennial Campaign, there are four or five, can’t remember, Custer delays rectified, in even Custer getting to Fort Lincoln, that all added up to his cosmic timed arrival, at the exact worse possible day of amassed magnitudes at the greasy grass.

And as we know now, a HUGE camp like that, would have had to move on, very soon. Custer showed up, like in the exact window of potential, like meeting a train at a crossing, in overall scope of the first decisions that led to this battle, months before. It is uncannily weird, how exactly “wrong place” “right time”, or “right place” “wrong time”, Custer ended up wandering into camp doom, at the worst possible timing of its conglomerated forces against him.

It was like there had to be other things, that made sure Custer arrived exactly when he did, when certain delays could have put him days late, but nope, things came together to make sure he hit the end of the road, at the exact peak moment he was destined to “arrive”.

That battle is eerie for a number of reasons. To me, It is a snapshot of Armageddon, when the so-called global “7th Cavalry” meets a skyload of winged warriors known as Christ and the angels of God, on their steeds of yotawatts of true angelic “Super Power”, at the EXACT SECOND DESTINED SINCE GENESIS 3:15, TO THE VERY BILLIONTH OF A SECOND, to prove what “super power” REALLY is.

It is their doomsday, Earth shall be freed from the oppressor man. It is going to be a good day to live.



[QUOTE who=”I_know_better_now “]<quoted text>
And you will KNOW when all this has happened right? How will you know?

This is why God has timed Daniel 8:14. And Daniel 8:11-12 is cross referenceable to Daniel 11:30-32 developments, post Cold War, the “different” thing of Daniel 11:29.

The “trampling” events of Daniel 8:13 is the context of the Daniel 8:14 1150 day, and probable 2300 day TIMING.

THAT timing and events will PROVE Daniel 8:13-14 is the temple judgment TIMING, for the purpose of rectifying the JW “constant” to the “right condition” of the temp,e of anointed earthly Christians.

Now Bethel themselves are foretelling to JWs that “soon, very soon” they will be besieged. (WT7/15/15)

HOW do they know this?

Because as per Daniel 11:32a, King North is the modern apostasy engineers INSIDE of Bethel who “lead [JWs] into apostasy”, and have set up the “transgression causing desolation” to the “temple”, as that UN NGO alliance. (Dan11:31b)

King North is who undermines the JW ministry, from within, that is why Bethel KNOWS the siege is “soon, very soon” (WT7/15/15**), “at that time” as per WT 11/15/13, pg. 20, par 17, #3:

WT quote (WT 11/15/2013, pg. 20, par. 17, #3):

“”Elders who are reading this article can draw some useful conclusions from the account we have just considered:…

[And sandwiched into the admonishment:]

(3) At that time, the lifesaving direction that we receive from Jehovah’s organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint. All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not.

Which is in tangent with this statement:

“”Figuratively speaking, however, God’s people will flee to the refuge that Jehovah provides.”” (WT 07/15/2015, pg. 16, par. 7-8)

So obviously Bethel is planning to use the org, to attempt to command obedience from JWs to direct them somewhere, for capture.


When all that unfolds, as even Bethel is predicting, then you will know. Many will dount now and then. And that is why Daniel 8:14 is TIMED for recovery of Jehovah’s witnesses, they will NOT be given to King North (Hos1:4-7), but Bethel will be “trampled” for the full of Daniel 8:13-14, as Daniel 11:41.

The timing and these sacking events of the JW org, WILL PROVE, Daniel 8:13-14.

It is coming. You don’t have to believe this now, but you need to consider the possibility. This is why this is going out now, so JWs can figure it all out, later.

**WT 7/15/15 Your Deliverance is Getting Near article.

3 Soon, very soon, each of us will face a similar situation. Jesus not only warned Christians about the destruction of Jerusalem but also used those first-century events to parallel what will occur when the “great tribulation” suddenly breaks out. (Matthew 24:3, 21, 29)


[QUOTE who=”01Blacksheep”]<quoted text>
You missed the point. The constant feature is occuring at the same time in the vision alongside the the transgression causing desolation….whats the transgression? A likelihood its the cause of the desolation (false teaching etc) which in affect makes the holy place and the army things (jws) to trample on.
So this trampling is done by the people of the nation’s in Matthew 10:22 Objects of hatred by all people on account of my name’ .Rev 2:10..The devil will throw some into prision that they may be fully put to the test’….He that has endured to the end is the one who will be saved…the refining in Malachi 3:3,4 of gold by fire means endurance to the end…Rev 13:10 if anyone is meant for captivity he goes away into captivity…yet those who endure to the end will be saved.

The “trampling” of Daniel 8:13 results in the “right condition” of Daniel 8:14. Thus when the trampling begins, the “sanctuary” is in the wrong condition of befouled as in Zechariah 3:3. In Daniel 11:31, the constant feature is beign profaned, but is still occuring along with the disgusting thing placement. The 3rd UN placement of 1990, is as foretold as the first two in 1919, and 1945.

That Bethel is saying nothing about the 3rd UN presentation of 1990 fulfilling prophecy is evidence their UN NGO has a little more too it, they are “throwing truth to the earth” by omission. (Dan8:12b)

We can honestly see Bethel is in the wrong condition. The world can see it. JWs are blind because this has been “gradually given over” (Dan8:12a) very slyly, so many JWs just do not realize how badly Bethel has devolved.

So we have Bethel negligence and that silenced yet prophetic UN 3rd event, along with these Bethel anomalies matcing all the criteria of Daniel 8:11-12, and Daniel 11:30-32. And there is about 1o features there, so Bethel is the apostasy being IDd in tangent with that covered up 1990 3rd UN event, which was indeed a prophecy, a prophecy Bethel says nothing about.

But nothing stops Jehovah. he will topple Bethel, remove their silencers, and the “constant feature” will get a big update. When that comes, it will be very formidable as far as complete evidence of what is going on, and that world government is the FOURTH UN presentation of Daniel12:11, which repeats the 1919 placement as the 1290 days repeats, after the 1260 days has given the final warning.

Now the temple judgment timing of Daniel 8:14 is what leads to the 1260 days. Teh constant has to be cleansed, in order to be commissioned by God as final warning.

THAT “trampling” of Revelation 11:2, is the nations resisting that horrifically detailed final warning, but it is big good news as well. But it will be complete, it will be scarey for opposers, and it will eb all she wrote as far as divine warning.

Them tramplign that to cessation defines Revelation 11:7 just prior to Christ swooping in with about 500 billion angels, to save sheep, then to depose world government.

The route there will get very detailed. Bethel’s downfall will mark the first provable milestone, timed too boot, as Daniel 8:13-14.

Bethel and us JWs are not getting off this hook.

JW Current Apostate Status and Final Temple Judgment – Web Witnessing Record; The Bethel Apostasy is Prophecy

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