July 2016

“did any of the apostles or John the baptist ever mention they were looking for the coming messiah by calculating numbers? How then did they know who Yeshua was? But anyway, I am just stating my opinion. I know nothing I say will keep you guys from calculating up numbers.”

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Since Daniel did give us some math to do in Daniel 9 we can know the apostles did their homework and were familiar with the prophecy and its calculation as it led very explicitly to 29 CE. John talked about calculating the 666. Yes, God did invent numbers for a reason.

1. In any event, the 2300 “evenings and mornings” (Dan8:14) calculable as (1) 2300 days or 1150 days, the (2) 1260 days (Dan7:15; Dan12:7; Rev11:2-3; Rev13:5; Rev12:6,14) and the (3) 1290 days (Dan12:11) are divinely described calculable time periods GIVEN BY GOD.

2. They are also described in prophetic descriptive context so as to ascertain they are the coming temple judgment (1), the future final warning (2), and its future cessation into “disgusting thing” finally placed as full 8th King/King North world government. (3)

3. The 1260 days cross references much contextual detail, for it i in 5 prophecy areas, so as to ascertain when it occurs as the timed period leads to the “3.5 days” “death” state of the final warning “two witnesses” which is the final numbered time period prior to Christ arrival.

A. Thus Daniel and Revelation are explicitly linked in the 1260 days and its events. And since the 1260 days leads to the 7th trumpet, we can back trace the former six trumpets to the temple judgment of the purifying “fire of the altar” of Revelation 8:3-5.

B. Since the Christ arrival has several known Bible parallels, we can know they all cross relate and the 1260 days essentially leads to that event. (Matt24:29-31; Rev11:11-12; Rev16:17-20; Rev14; Rev19:11-21)

(We do not need to be Daniel (prophet), Einstein (rocket scientist), or Sherlock Holmes (detective) to determine these simple relationships and outline to 8th King world government and then the Christ arrival; all we need to do is connect the God provided dots.)

We cannot know the day or the hour which is true, [u]but we can know the divinely provided sequential periods that lead to the day[/u], and the 2300 to 1260 to 1290 order. Plus we have 7 trumpets that parallel that entire timed sequence of final prophecy, and they parallel the 7 plagues for obvious reasons of the global context of all this in the future over several final years whose period meanings from God will become ascertainable every step of the way to first world government. Then Christ arrival, global sheep-sweep (world judgment of sheep and goats), conquest.

Revelation 1:1 is the truth “slaves” of God and Christ will know these things this time BEFORE they happen.

For example, there is a great prophecy advancement made among Jehovah’s witnesses to even nail and identify the League of Nations as the United Nations nucleus of world government “image” (UN) and “wildbeast” (world government). So a lawless GB led apostasy (Dan11:32a) is more significant in JWs than in Christendom which has been stalled and compromised for centuries. But at this time JWs are stalled and joined the UN System as UN NGO. (Dan11:30b-32a)

Thus, the temple judgment “right condition” is the opposite of the current state of the JW anointed Christian ministry (Zech3:3). The “right condition” is now what the JW ministry must be restored to. This is no random corruption in JWs, this apostasy is the final apostasy signal of our times.

 

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Thus the real Daniel 8:13-14 will break out upon the JW judgment and the JW org total global downfall at “Biblical proportions” whose Daniel 8:14 timing is assured to transpire into that REQUIRED “right condition” before the 1260 days final warning content of the “little scroll” can be approved by God and commissioned by him through Jesus Christ the Temple leader.

Thus, a verifiable timed prophecy in Daniel 8:14 will be employed to prove this to recovered Jehovah’s witnesses and others.

When we “calculate” Daniel 8:14 in the future, upon JW org smoke and rubble (spiritually speaking), it will affirm this is not some made up story. God times this for undeniable PROOF to the biggest doubters out there: Jehovah’s witnesses themselves.

And further, Daniel 8:14 is timed, it is either 1150 days, or 2300 days, or a dual phased 1150 days “evening” of JW darkness as to what is going on, and an 1150 day “morning” of recovery to the reality of the situation. It will not take too long to verify Daniel 8:13-14 is the temple judgment of Jehovah’s witnesses, in time it leads to the 1260 days which transpires to world government and the Christ arrival and the 1290 days final “open salvation” call period backed by Christ is Savior Mode himself. (Rev14:6-8)

But we have to keep what JWs have advanced to even get here, and toss the obstacles, GB and stalls. We are not reinventing a new wheel, we are getting the same one rolling again. We have to advance to the furthest point JWs have gone to, and then advance in what is really just a replication of the “first witness” cycle. And if some people missed the “first witness” of the “two witness”, aided by JW apostasy and renegade GB misleading, then God will repeat it for a “second witnessing” 1260 days final warning.

That is why there are TWO “witnessings”. Timed periods are what make it all identifiable come the time. Now not all anointed can make the cut, some are not obeying Christ and taking this dead seriously. Some do not rely on God’s word and prophecy enough, some have been distracted by JW apostasy, and various musings on what it all may mean in this haystack of speculation which has anointed scattered and searching.

In reality, God has it fully structured and timed in prophecy as one might expect God is fully capable of doing. Some lack faith in God’s ability to furnish and fulfill explicit and detailed prophecy that leads to the arrival of the arrival 8th King and thus the arrival of his Son and King Jesus Christ.
Do we REALLY REALLY REALLY believe this?:

(Revelation 1:1) A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place.

THAT is the truth.

Anointed making the cut and many others will all know fully “the things that must shortly take place” and believe it fully and the prophecy will be timed for further proof, and that is the promise of God, not a lie. The affirmable explicit timing is what aids many people in believing this AFTER the Daniel 8:13-14 prophecy proves itself upon the “trampling” of the JW org and Jehovah’s witnesses in the very near future. That prophecy has to manifest first, for it is Revelation 8’s direct parallel with Zechariah 3, just prior to the eventual Zechariah 4 and its Revelation 11 parallel.

That’s how we use the Bible prophecy to check Bible prophecy. That’s how we use prophecy to know JWs are in a foretold apostasy that ignites the temple judgment of Daniel 8:13-14, timed for further proof in the future.

 

 

[QUOTE who=”A lowly one”]<quoted text>

Larry,

I think I know where you are coming from, I may be wrong, but I will try anyways.

What BJ is saying sounds very interesting, and as someone who’s had doubts, it would make sense. But you’re right in asking, what if you’re wrong? How will Jesus judge you for misleading some people?

I, today, find myself asking, what if the JWS are wrong, but what if they’re not? And for me it has boiled down to really putting trust in Jehovah. We have seen in many accounts in the bible, that Jehovah never leaves faithful servants, loyal ones to Him, in the dust. And at times, even they may have been confused, but Jehovah made it better. And it is NOW that we see some of Jehovah’s reasoning behind his actions, and see how much it makes sense.

I’m troubled at some of the points that I’ve researched. However, I will continue to grow in knowledge having confidence that Jehovah will provide clarifications in the future, and at least a way to either stay where we are because Jehovah is with us, or move forward to where Jehovah is. I would urge trust is Jehovah and how loving we know He is.

As far as judgement, we also know that Jehovah will spare the lives of those who are and were ignorant to the truth, whatever that may be. With that level of understanding I can say that Jehovah and His son would understand our situation. In the meantime I know that what I teach at the very least benefits those who do not know some of the basic bible truths and principles, to better themselves and have a deep appreciation for what Jehovah does for us.

In the end, once again, I believe it comes down to the trust we have in Jehovah and His son, along with their perfect arrangements of future events. What we can do now is pray that Jehovah remembers us then, and teaches us any lessons we need to learn.
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EXACTLY.

Trust in Jehovah and Christ ALONE. Just because JWs have had truth revealed, and are of course an enemy system target because of valid truth, and it has devolved much, does not mean anything divine has failed, for the final apostasy is a solid prophecy. And God and Christ are still very much real, alive and Rev1:7-8 “coming” to this vicinity of Earth.

What the enemy system hopes and gets on is people tossing the Baby with the dirty bathwater. But as Zechariah 3 plainly shows in another marginal current JW prophecy on the “back burner”, is the “befouled garments” and the befouled “turban” are DUMPED, not laundered.

Joshua gets new garments in Zechariah 3:4-5. There is no hope for the GB “turban”, in other words.

And as per Daniel 8:13-14 and Zechariah “right condition” cleaned up parallel meaning God will keep the “log” (Zech3:2), he will keep anointed Christians making the judgment, and merely remove key errors and cover-ups now being performed by the illegal GB.

We will be “hearing” from God on the matter of the current “befouled” state of the JW anointed Christian formerly led ministry now misled by an illegal “body”, MOL.

The Revelation 8:1 “silence” is ending, and the Rev8:3-5 “fire of the altar” is that cleansing fire of Zechariah 3:2 and Malachi3, as all of it is the temple judgment of now Jehovah’s witnesses all Zechariah 3 and Daniel 8:13-14 parallel.

It STARTS Revelation 8-11 seven trumpet continuum, it just starts with the temple judgment, for now obvious reasons. (1Pet4:17) The first four trumpets are when the temple judgment meaning starts to become realized like a trumpet in the ear. Then the whole ripple effect heads to Rev9-11.

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[quote=”anointed25″]Hello all

I have read a few posts on this site and feel i am in the right place for christian fellowship, although not being on line at home,won’t be able to do so as much as i would like.

It is an opportunity to seek some assistance. Recently i engaged in conversation with pearl doxsey on her blog, my comment was taken down. We didn’t agree on whether one’s must leave WT, i believe it might be right for ones to stay if it’s the Lord’s wil to use them in awkened state in jw.org.

To cut a long story short i ended up in conversation with rosa alves on google plus and this sister has been taught by pearl that the kingdom is not yet established in heaven! I believe the kingdom established since 19th century and reasoned on this with rosa and someone called jahdisciple. They are both certain that kingdom set up in heaven is a future event,i fear that having escaped jw.org these sisters are again being misled by satan in denying kingdom rules now. Math 24:24

We are at war and i request some assistance in this battle.[/quote]

Which kingdom?

There is God’s Kingdom and the Kingdom of Christ.

One must precede the other as per Daniel 2:31-45.

And there are defnitely two Kingdoms in Luke 22:28-20.

The Kingdom of Christ is not complete yet, it is the specific “set up a kingdom” with earthly sovereign focus.

God’s Kingdom guides the process and is the dominant and far older “Kingdom” already set up since there ever was a Yahweh and the Word, and that is forever in Yahweh’s case and a long long long time ago for the Word. The 1914 phase was just a global wake up call that Christ assumed the temporary kingship in that Kingdom to oversee his own Kingdom of David completion.

Without realizing this distinction and basics, we won’t ascertain the whole story. Of course, God’s Kingdom has always been “set up”. It is Christ’s KIngdom that must still be “set up a KIngdom that will never be brought to ruin” in the future, in the face of 8th King world government, hence Revelation 11:7-15.

Hope that helps, and it is Biblical, JWs just happened to notice because God helped, but it has been in Daniel 2 the whole time.

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Hi John,

Yes “divide and conquer” is a tried and true strategy. Now even Jesus said he came to bring division, but he is just separating wheat and weeds, he is not setting up anything but BTG for being fully conquered.

But because the nature of more and more truth of prophecy and God’s will coming forth, will also produce more varying ideas as it tries to get to the next level. They cannot all be right ideas, they could all be wrong, but when God backs an “idea” it becomes HIS “interpretation”, the needle among the haystack. But when the fire Christ said would be lit, it starts from a point of origin. True at times there were prophets speaking for God in simultaneous manner, when it gets interpreted properly one point ends up influencing many people, because when God backs a prophecy it can become recognized.

We are at a point of confusion that requires just such a prophecy, I feel it will be Daniel 8:13-14.

But in the meantime, it is about furthering God’s purpose; He will back the truth an depose the error. We need to learn from the horrific destruction of the GB of JWs coming. DO NOT “lift up” over ANYTHING, it is about God’s final cycle purpose to bring the Christ into Earth as marked by prophetically ascertainable milestones that will indicate in progressive manner, we are heading to the Christ arrival.

It takes time for these final milestones to unfold in clear as day manner because God’s purpose is to save people, not trick them, and destroy them as one would think when a lawless band of apostate renegades known as Jehovah’s witnesses start saying they alone, as UN NGO and lawless as ever, are the ONLY ones to be saved. It has become ridiculous. JWs have become the biggest reproach on God’s name, and the GB is who masterminded this downfall.

So the JW organization downfall and the destruction of the Governing Body as cursed “lawless one” against God will be quite the attention-getting event. And apparently, they plan to twist the “good news” further, into one final GB pretzel from hell, into that “bad news everyone!” “Satan’s wicked world will now come to its complete end” that “hard-hitting judgment message” of WT 7/15/15.

Only problem being, the JW org wickedness is the only “a system of things” coming to its complete end. (Matt13)

See the problem hoax JWs will be in?

Well, in any case, these “wake up” events will bind the “five discreet virgins” when God makes it clear what is going on in prophecy and where we really are en route to 8th King world government. Now not all will “see the light”, there are also five foolish virgins who will scan “oil” on the Web “eBay” of false prophets, but that will NOT be the original “oil”, believed, and kept in store for this light is the same light, but the final Christ arrival enlightening phase.

I think you guys have the most disciple like, that is disciplined Forum group, none of them “23,356 posts” thing. When people say something here it is because they feel it is needed to be said, and it is respectful for varying views, and avoiding that JWN kind of ludicrous talk. So it seems as these things take place, as long as there is an unfiltered internet, certain information will emerge here in time, because when God sets out to make a prophecy in the face recognizable to “discreet virgins” and others he will do it. And toppling apostate JW org, and frying their GB sure sounds like a good place where the middle “finger of God” is now needed.

And because the focus of this site in part, is explaining JW revolts, lawlessness and apostasy in “organized crime” manner, of course the JW org downfall will need some commentary as “the end” continues to not arrive, a months turn to years. JWs will even need this information because repentance is what is required from all. But JWs are in left field, they have to get past the denial stage to even consider repentance.

Unlike them who shunning arrogant lawles JWs, we need to help these poor “bastards” come the time, sorry to say and with all due respect, JWs have no Father at this time but the GB renegade idol middleman. JWs are now illegitimate. They will need a lot of help to get through this temple judgment hoop. (Dan8:13-14) But many will it is the final purification “right condition” prior to the final warning of all time.

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[QUOTE who=”Newtonian”]

And the GB has that correct!

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Not true.

Fred Franz is who harmonized all post Rutherford enlightenment from God. Fred Franz HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE GB COUP OF 1971-1976, he was to be next on the chopping block after Ray Franz. Nathan Knorr and Fred Franz openly advised against that first 1976 GB successful “lifting themselves over everyone”.

RED FLAG!

Now the GB try to take credit for the work of Fred Franz which God aided in the areas of accuracy. Fred Franz had the entire Revelation 4-22 commentary complete by 1969, BEFORE there even was a GB. (The red 1989 Revelation book was compiled from that 1963-1969 Fred Franz commentaries [1])

[1] 1969—The JW Peak of Spiritual Enlightenment: Revelation Complete
https://jwupdate.wordpress.com/2015/06/26/1969-the-jw-peak-of-spiritual-enlightenment-revelation-complete/

That is who guided the process the GB merely takes credit for to establish false-credibility with JWs so as to mislead them, as if they are just like Fred Franz. (Dan11:32a)

THEY AIN’T! And the “governing body” concept is from the mystery religions of Babel. It is NOT found in Acts 15, it was super-imposed on Acts 15 by Christendom FIRST, WTBTS later, same lawless one entity is what it is.

Here is what was written concerning Joseph Rutherford and the 2nd “board of directors” revolt (1917), well before they morphed into that GB in 1976:

***Jehovah’s Witnesses in the Divine Purpose (1959); pp. 70-71***

“”Their idea was to make the president’s position secondary to the board of directors and limit his authority to that of an adviser. That would have meant making a change in the corporation’s bylaws, and since it was a complete departure from the provisions of the original charter it warned of serious trouble ahead.

Throughout the entire administration of Pastor Russell, the president and the other officers of the Society had been the ones to decide on new publications; the board of directors, as a body, WAS NOT CONSULTED. Brother Rutherford CONTINUED this same policy as he took up the new administration. “”

And THAT “their idea was to make the president’s position secondary to the board of directors” is EXACTLY what the Governing Body has now accomplished since 1976, ousting Knorr and Fred Franz from their God given guiding roles.

The GB is “evil slave” and “man of lawlessness” core apostasy leadership unit (Dan11:32a) coming into complete global exposure for who, what they are and where they are from: KING NORTH.

When God destroys and exposes fully thereafter the GB, it will be complete. (Isa66:6; Dan8:13-14; Rev8-9)

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(Revelation 17:15-18) And he says to me: “The waters that you saw, where the harlot is sitting, mean peoples and crowds and nations and tongues.

Parallels Revelation 16:12 development. (waters dry up, depleted social support, reduced support from people globally helps the outlawing of BTG to be globally successful)

16 And the ten horns that you saw, and the wild beast, these will hate the harlot and will make her devastated and naked, and will eat up her fleshy parts and will completely burn her with fire.

Three step process of outlawed religious complex removal. Ten horns=subservient nation-state system (Dan11:42-43) “scarlet wildbeast”=world government complete.

17 For God put [it] into their hearts to carry out his thought, even to carry out [their] one thought by giving their kingdom to the wild beast, until the words of God will have been accomplished.

Nation-state “ten kings” power system gives all sovereign power to world government as they are used to “horn” BTG to destruction. God guides this process as per Rev18:8. The prophecy WILL fulfill fully.

18 And the woman whom you saw means the great city that has a kingdom over the kings of the earth.”

Religious sovereignty-system BTG goes down last, all under world government.

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[QUOTE who=”Tony Price 77″]<quoted text>

What is KN?[/QUOTE]

King South is the nation-state “old world order” system.
King North is the globalization based “new world order” system.

[QUOTE who=”Tony Price 77″]

Why them? And what will happen to true religion or true Christians? And what exactly *is* true religion or true Christianty?

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JWs have made the furthest point of prophecy explanation in the nation-state-to-gloablized progerss of prophecy. But they are NOT finishing the story, because the GB is a KN stall device.

All Christians get the final call, the intent of the final warning is the same as the first warning. That si why there are TWO “witnesses”.

God and Christ judge what is true Christian, it is a world judgment we are talking about. JW judgment merely begins the process, they are apostate, so the whole thing is now in checkmate.

But JWs have a truth that can be very easily connected to the final update. So the enemy system wants to prevent that recovery and update. But they will fail. (Dan11:32b)

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[QUOTE who=”Tony Price 77″]<quoted text>

What is KN?[/QUOTE]

King South is the nation-state “old world order” system.
King North is the globalization based “new world order” system.

[QUOTE who=”Tony Price 77″]

Why them? And what will happen to true religion or true Christians? And what exactly *is* true religion or true Christianty?

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JWs have made the furthest point of prophecy explanation in the nation-state-to-gloablized progerss of prophecy. But they are NOT finishing the story, because the GB is a KN stall device.

All Christians get the final call, the intent of the final warning is the same as the first warning. That si why there are TWO “witnesses”.

God and Christ judge what is true Christian, it is a world judgment we are talking about. JW judgment merely begins the process, they are apostate, so the whole thing is now in checkmate.

But JWs have a truth that can be very easily connected to the final update. So the enemy system wants to prevent that recovery and update. But they will fail. (Dan11:32b)

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Like I said until JW org goes into takeover for real and after, this will be just one of many ideas. When JW org goes down, it aids the recognition of Daniel 8:13-14. That’s also why JWs are judged first as the final temple judgment phase, for a cleansing.

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[QUOTE who=”Dusk”]<quoted text>

Don’t you think that Satan has a contingency plan also for this very fact?

He is prepared for this to happen and he will use it to his advantage, leading most of those who ‘wake up’ right into deception of the grandest kind…[/QUOTE]

The wake up takes a while. The false prophecies is all he can divert to the decoys. This thing is going to drag on in the neighborhood of 15 more years.

When the world goes into “sword stroke” mode coming, the “1260 days has begun” false prophets will go into overdrive.

But it will take over 5 years to get to the 1260 days, it has to have a complete and accurate final warning.

The sword stroke will have a peak period, then probably a roller coaster to stabilization into world government. We know this from the war deployment model. They use the peak period to try to freak out those they can. But be patient, Christ will NOT arrive until AFTER they are done with their world government and they are as ready as they are going to be for the BATTLE WITH THE LION of this here universe.

They got another thing coming.

BUT Christ is fair, he will warn them to the full, and he will let them get their sorry arses ready to think they can put off their extermination as best they can. UN-NATO isof course no match for 100 billion billion angels even when Russia and China join in to try to save their basket of eggs.

Be patient (Matt24:13), and do not buy the decoys sure to arise. It will have to stabilize into world government “world peace” and security (Rev13:3; 1Thess5:1-3), that is the final signal, it arises in fullest form after they depose the global religious BTG complex, for their one world religious Satanism.

Then the fur shall fly on the wildbeast.

All they can do is apply false prophecy to decoys while en route to the end of their road. And what they will do is try to use it to flush out the impatient and freak outs. So don’t freak out, it will be of “Biblical proportions” and may include some nukes.

DON’T FREAK! BE PATIENT.
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That’s the way to handle this period of controversy.

See if JWs were already a “100% error” why create scandal and dissension among them? Just let the error do what error does.

But no. Jehovah’s witnesses have a solid core framework of the initial meaning and purpose of prophecy, to tell the world. And when that was proceeding according to divine purpose, then it was time of get inside and create controversy.

So we do not want to toss the Baby with the bathwater, we want to retain what is valid by proof. And we can know God will not leave it in truncated form, and bringing a judgment on JWs first, will keep the focus to the area of the ministry that needs a final clarification. It keeps focus on the “first witness” locale for the “second witness” reaffirmation and needed updates to post 1990 UN and globalization activity as active prophecy NOW being silenced by INFILTRATED Bethel.

And we can bet God has foretold this modern JW apostasy in enough detail and its 1990 UN context to ID it even now, it is all in Daniel 8:11-14 and Daniel 11:30-35, as parallels of the time of 1990 3rd UN event (Dan8:23; Dan11:31b), which the 1976 GB illegal coup was well prepared to go into final “set in opposition” mode as our final clearly “lawless one” HQ they have turned the JW org into, so many doubt the whole thing.

Be patient, God will create a judgment event on the JW org so huge, it will become undeniable he has acted when the GB “the end” does NOT arrive as soon as they are now deluding JWs with that 2Thess2:1-2 expectation of, they are also an apostate “man of lawlessness” who will be revealed and when God exposes them it will be complete exposure as also prophecy.

The current GB “it’s the end look no further all you dumb JWs” is the smokescreen to crash the JW org within. But the “the end” failure will mean JWs will have to face reality at that time, “the end” will not arrive, the final phase to 8th King world government will just be getting started and they will try to keep JWs roadkilled.

But a recovery must form, for the final warning “second witness” is what it is shaping into.

JW apostasy builds faith, once we see it is a required final phase kick-ff final prophecy cycle.

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[QUOTE who=”little lamb”]<quoted text>

It always made me think , how God would not allow Satan to kill Job …but killed all his children

The children’s lives were not protected as Jobs life was.[/QUOTE]
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It was a true test in Satan’s advantage. But in the Kingdom restoration Job will receive the originals back. And he can boast by God’s power he conquered Satan without the luxury of all the information we have now-a-days. He will be in a club few are in, in that Abraham like level of faith.

(1 John 5:4) . . .And this is the conquest that has conquered the world, our faith.

So faith is the main weapon against Satan, it has to be concentrated on to fully conquer regardless the circumstances. Easier said than done, but by faith and reliance on God and Christ it is possible.

God sees the bigger picture, he already sees the “new heavens and the new earth STANDING before” him. Like with Moses, Moses took the discipline of not being able to enter the Promised Land, which is a seemingly harsh judgment as he worked for God the whole time for that goal, It was a test on Moses if we really think about this disappointment he must have felt very deeply.

But in God’s greater foresight, he was just bypassing Moses over but more Israelite revolts, to be put directly into the real “Promised Land” of the Christ and Kingdom. Moses will awake in the Paradise-in-formation REALITY of which the “promised land” was just a foregleam, and it will seem to him as if that very day.

So God does punish wrong doing, but often his ultimate outcome is well beyond the seeming disappointment of the punishment. Moses is going to the promised land direct when he is awakened in that place to review the whole story, as if it was instantaneous, because he accepted God’s discipline fully.

These men and women of the Bible were not envisioning becoming world famous to billions of people at the time they were doing what they were doing.

(Job 19:23-24) O that now my words were written down! O that in a book they were even inscribed! 24 With an iron stylus and [with] lead, Forever in the rock O that they were hewn!

But that is what has occurred. Enemies of Christ were hoping killing him would shut up all the talk. But with God he writes it down in stone as an eternal record, and it only gets worse for the enemies when they try to shut up God, because that is what they are doing.

Jeremiah and Micah and the rest did not know at the time their words from God would be hewn in eternal stone, and that they would be household names, God made sure their examples of faith become global public record.

So in the Kingdom all have been hoping in, in all these examples and more, they have a lot of new truth to come to understand and the seemingly insignificant context in which they exercised faith will be seen for the role models they were to millions of people with faith, over the centuries BILLIONS of people have been positively influenced by all these very real people to God Almighty, and death will NOT shut them up, they will be back.

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Now the Kingdom rules by spirit being means true, under God to King Christ, but these are the kind of “world leaders”, the kinds of Princes on Earth in Kingdom service on Earth who will then be speaking and helping people under the Kingdom, not the control freak, banker and warlord vipers of today, as the Kingdom “way” becomes the only way. There is no comparison with these “Resumes” of the corrupt liars versus God’s chosen ones on Earth.

Imagine that? Think David is going to take some banker crap? Think Noah is going to be fooled by some politicians blather? Those days will be over. The Christ “iron rod” will be ruling, guiding but firm and uncompromising yet merciful perfectly. We have had enough of the way things are done today. The record will be very clear on the matter and the amount of time God allowed the error to give it it’s best shot under Satan, IS ALREADY ENOUGH TIME for most of us, but God does thing to the full, he makes things run the full course of his purpose and outline in prophecy.

The people and the way of lies and deceit shall be terminated, and these are the ones God is setting up and others yet to be made known to form the earthly sector of carrying out “God’s will done on Earth” as they will carry out God’s commands and Christ’s direction even more powerfully than they did in the face of Satan.

(Revelation 11:18) . . .But the nations became wrathful, and your own wrath came, and the appointed time for the dead to be judged, and to give [their] reward to your slaves the prophets and to the holy ones and to those fearing your name, the small and the great, and to bring to ruin those ruining the earth.”

Many know their record. In time all will know why God gives that reward. And heaving these kinds of global princes appointed by God under Christ, of course will add to the positive effect of true righteousness ruling for a change, a permanent one. The whole human record will be “hewn in stone” so in retrospect it is a very long and complete record for a reason. Long as far as human are concerned, just a week as far as God is concerned, and there will be no return to the way this world is now being run. This lying crap of greedy power trippers is over, it’s just a matter of a little more time, not much, but enough to get the final warning done for good.

That Devil anointed GB is NO EXAMPLE of what God is bringing in, in the earthly sector of his “administration”, the greater earthly detailed system of life management to come about for human system “Kingdom of the World” domain. God is very detail oriented to the perfect Almighty degree, complete in “all things made new” “to the last” whatever you want to look at, this is all just an outline of what will be a divinely detailed real cascading administration even for the benefit of an ant. The whole creation “groans”, not just the human element.

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Thus, what is on the way from God is way beyond even the most imaginative people with faith, WAY BEYOND anything imaginable, NOTHING is “too good to be true” with God. That is Adamic doubter crazy talk.

(1 Corinthians 2:9-10) But just as it is written: “Eye has not seen and ear has not heard, neither have there been conceived in the heart of man the things that God has prepared for those who love him.” 10 For it is to us God has revealed them through his spirit, for the spirit searches into all things, even the deep things of God.

But trying to imagine these things strengthens faith and the total desire for it to come true, because they will come true, Satan’s doubt and test festival does not negate the promises of Almighty God, they are just to become but more casualties of the faithless en route to the guaranteed destination and goal of the whole development.

God will roll over what he has to when he has to, to get it done. He is just helping some get out of the way, and ON BOARD before he sends in the Demolition Angels under Christ the demolisher of world government of demons.

They ARE COMING, bet your life.

(Revelation 1:7-8) Look! He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, and those who pierced him; and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief because of him. Yes, Amen. 8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says Jehovah God, “the One who is and who was and who is coming, the Almighty.”

This current mess is about to get mopped. Eventually “hope” becomes REALITY. Eventually “hope” becomes obsolete, the thing hoped for will arrive.

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[QUOTE who=”Newtonian”]
Secondly, you have not identified correctly the transgression causing desolation.

And, finally, you seem to misunderstand the verses you cite, namely:

Daniel 8:13, 14
13 And I heard a holy one speaking, and another holy one said to the one speaking: “How long will the vision of the constant feature* and of the transgression causing desolation continue,+ to make both the holy place and the army things to trample on?” 14 So he said to me: “Until 2,300 evenings and mornings; and the holy place will certainly be restored to its right condition.”

So, what is the transgression causing desolation? Try again![/QUOTE]

Newtonian, joining the UN System is very serious in God’s eyes, no matter what the GB excuses may be. The UN NGO is the “transgression causing desolation”, just you wait and see and give this prophecy a chance at that time, PAY ATTENTION TO IT AS SILLY AS THIS MAY SOUND NOW, IT WILL BECOME THE ONLY EXPLANATION LATER. The desolation comes on the temple and the army of JWs.

(As you know the GB is preparing JWs for this as of WT7/15/15,but they are not telling JWs the real reason, they are smoke-screening with the premature “it is the end” hype of 2Thess2:1-2.)

JWs will need to understand this prophecy for when the GB is gone. The GB will not get past 1150 days. Good riddance. (Zech3:5)

The Good News Bible has 1150 days in its footnote on this scripture, btw.

We have to pay attention to the events and timing, it may very well be 1150 days desolation and recovery as one whole. It may be 1150 days desolation and then 1150 days recovery, we do not know at this time for certain.

But it has to target the wrong condition in the JW temple, that is for sure.

It is the temple purification of Revelation 8:3-5. Fire of God’s altar, is purifying fire as in Isaiah 6:6-9.

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[QUOTE who=”Earburner”]<quoted text>
“Let no man deceive you BY ANY MEANS…”
Actually, world government DOES NOT trigger Christ’s return!! The period of “a falling away” DOES.
I have explained that in detail of 2 Thes. 2:3.

The KJV uses the word “except” and not “until”.
That is CRUCIAL to know!
WHY?
By using the word “except”, as opposed to “until”, it depicts an EVENT taking place and NOT a period of time, as in waiting “until” He returns.
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In that time, there is only ONE thing that causes that EVENT of “a falling away”, and that is the MoB, aka RFID chip!
MANY will give up on faith IN Christ, for the sake of “buying or selling”, which for many will be bare necessities!!
. Secondly, the Lord Jesus is not going touch the earth upon His flaming, fiery return! There will be NO 1000 year reign ON earth, but rather IN HEAVEN!
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There will NOT be 2, 3 or 4 resurrections in the 1st resurrection! You all must go back to Grade school and learn again on how to count.
Clue: that which comes after that which IS 1st, shall be 2nd!!
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The falling away triggers Christ in the temple first. (Mal3:1-5) World government has to be warned of, the temple purification results in the final warning. Complete world government triggers the Christ final sheep sweep and then conquest, to total “second coming”.

No dog is top of the hill yet among nations. World government is to become the top dog, and that is the dog Christ goes for, when they are fully warned and ready for war like they ain’t ever seen.

Plus people need to be warned of Christ arrival upon a global entity they can see and track, world government to completion. Most church leadership already works for NWO, they already got the 666, they want to lead the rest of their flocks to it as well. Satan rules the church corporate complex.

Hence the “falling away” is already in full force. It just has to be exposed fully, once again. Ellen White was one of them “first witness” sisters who exposed the apostasy of her day and from the Christian roots, they infiltarted SDA long ago, it is all Satanist run now, CIA, Masons, etc. She was not alone though.

But there are TWO witnessings total, 1260days x 2 = 2520 days “seven times” total.

(Revelation 10:11) . . .And they say to me: “You must prophesy AGAIN with regard to peoples and nations and tongues and many kings.”

The temple judgment precedes the real 1260 days (hence Dan8:14); When the SHTF many misled will try to convince us it is the 1260 days, but they too will be premature, they shall stumble and fail.

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[b][size=200]Revelation 1:1[/size][/b]

God is not putting his name on a lie. This will also become fully true after the JW ministry is desolated and recovered (Dan8:13-14) and its “weeds” and impostors are removed as the final temple purification round:

[b](Revelation 1:1) . . .A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. . . .[/b]

God repeats patterns and principles since the time of Christ, because the first arrival of Christ was in Hebrew prophecies that they NEEDED to be convinced of by connecting the dots to see the pattern. They needed it, Israel’s leaders—rather than admit Jesus was the Christ foretold in many Hebrew prophecies, [b]—they murdered him[/b]. Imagine your own spiritual leaders “full time scroll studiers” actually, instead, being involved with the execution of God’s Son?

Well, that is exactly what the Pharisees and Sanhedrin did. FEW RECOGNIZED THE PROPHECY!

In retrospect, minus all the Christ evidence we now have explained for us in the Greek scriptures, the Jews did NOT just up and recognize the Christ they were supposed to be waiting for, for 1000 years+ of supposed scriptural studies, they fell asleep, most rejected the Christ. Today, in similar principle, most will not understand the final prophecy cycle. But some will, some must, to complete things. (Rev10:5-8)

It is NO DIFFERENT today in the world or among JWs or scattered Christians everywhere, we are all exactly like the Jews, it was a principle of how the fallen flesh is, and what spiritual leaders devolve into corrupted by luxuries, money and power. Some see it, some do not, but all claim to see. We are at an overall weed identification and removal phase about to go full blown.

[size=150][b]Unique Requirement of the Final Prophecy Cycle
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But unlike any times previous, when this final prophecy starts to go full blown in the final Revelation fulfillment cycle of the seven trumpets and seven plagues as the continuum to Christ arrival, IT HAS TO BE FORETOLD [[[BEFORE]]] IT HAPPENS.

Because waiting until there is a full wildbeast world government enforcing the 666 on the world, and then “explaining it after the fact” would, of course, be TOO LATE.

This time, a fully future forecasted and accurate projection of Revelation MUST PRECEDE the completion of the wildbeast world government objective because that finally complete sovereign rival of planet Earth will get the Christ response in their face; that is the signal prophetic entity that will trigger the Christ arrival. And though JWs will not connect the final dots, they have been tracking the “image” of the wildbeast that will be the executive branch nucleus of WORLD GOVERNMENT, no matter how they rebrand or rename the United Nations for the final deception. A final warning forecast, must, this time, precede the thing it will foretell because it has to fully warn of these events and ramifications BEFORE they occur this time.

Explaining it all after the fact would be too late. The JW downfall and timing of Daniel 8:13-14 will eventually lead to a very explicit final warning 1260 day long forecast of things to occur outlined in Revelation before it occurs.

[size=150][color=#FF0000]It is the only way now.[/color][/size]

In the meantime, misleading error (2Thess2:1-2) and applying FALSE PROPHECY to Satanic DECOYS, such as world government, is the only strategy the enemy system can employ as well as general harassing resistance. All they can do is present their lies FIRST, while the final forecast is sent forth at the same time by God as the final of the “TWO witnesses”.

[i][b]The tracking of the UN and exposure of it up to 1945, was a Jehovah’s witnesses solely unique prophecy understanding of great importance, because the UN is indeed headed to the heart of the wildbeast WORLD GOVERNMENT SYSTEM. JWs have identified the correct blip on prophecy radar that will lead to world government completion that will trigger the Christ arrival, and that logical outline is SIMPLE to understand.[/b][/i]

[size=150][b][i]8th King World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3; Dan12:11), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.[/i][/b][/size]

Many will remain oblivious to the final forecast even when it eventually fully emerges from the required Temple Judgment of Jehovah’s witnesses in marked manner as timed temple judgment “right condition” producing prophecy Daniel 8:13-14 parallel Revelation 8:3-5. It begins the first four temple trumpets.

They will meet their purpose of a comprehensive Christian ALARM as it proceeds to where it must progress. All ten virgins wake up, but not all understand what is going on. Plan accordingly.

 

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JW Twilight Zone – “What Just Happened?”

One day you wake up and are heading through the first multi-national world war globally exposing Christendom errors like shooting sitting ducks with the Bible shotgun, you just exposed the League of Nations as the “image of the wildbeast” so convincingly 99% of Charles Russell prophecy commentary was dropped like a hot potato, the “update” was INSTANTLY assimilated into a global Christian anointed claimant global spearhead ministry.

A top head of the spear is right in London, right in the wildbeast capital exposing the League of Nations TO THEIR FACE, LIVE AND REAL-TIME with events so real many people can see and connect it all, the growth of the ministry is OFF THE CHARTS, because the explanation is so in the face convincing and TRUE.

Next day, you wake up forging Christian truth through yet another global war through bombs, smoke and Hitler, and as the new fanged United Nations is “ascending” from the “abyss” of World War 2, RIGHT AS IT IS OCCURRING you are out exposing the wildbeast system in the second Revelation prophecy tracking this progress of a global government in formation. You are focused on God and Christ, you are exposing prophecy so convincing people are catching on quickly because it is all happening right in front of their faces too, it is a logical progression in the Revelation, you KNOW what you are speaking about the UN is true, it is the abomination you have been waiting for, to expose it and fight it in spiritual war.

It’s a modern Christian dream come true, you are taking part in prophecy LIVE AND REAL-TIME, the ministry is moving forward fast, no stalls, no man worship, everything is perfect!

Next day you wake up to the end of the Cold War, the USSR went down in cold defeat road kill of the UN elites, you see them place the NOW THIRD UN “disgusting thing” event and global presentation in a false prophecy “New World Order” mode! This is the third of the UN developments you have been tracking through 2 hot world wars! Exciting! Now it can be UN-1-2-3 all exposed in the face of the wildbeast live and real-time, as usual! You skip breakfast and rush out.

You head to the JW ministry camp, but no one is saying a thing, the 3rd UN is being silenced by even the leaders of the ministry. The 3rd UN now all of a sudden has no meaning whatsoever, it is not a prophecy, it is insignificant globally. Then you find out the generals and captains of your army of Christians have now even joined the UN wildbeast system as UN NGO! The anointed Christian leaders are now endorsing and promoting the same Wildbeast, and they are getting the whole army to serve as press agents, rather than continue where you left off in WW2. You watch the whole JW army and its general all on knees to the Dragon.

Your blood runs cold.

You try to say something, and you are court-martialed and strapped to a figurative stake, and your burnt body is tossed in the Kingdom Hall “Gehenna” dumpster, you are booted and shunned, villianized and hated, you are “apostate”, as all JWs hail the “Governing Body” of UN NGO leaders. You are nothing, all the Christian Kingdom soldiers are nothing to these JWs,WW1 and WW2 mission matter not to these JW zombies! God and his laws are nothing now, Christ is a mere fixture, the GB apostates are the lords of all JWs.

Prophecy has been stalled, nothing is being said by threat of death, 666ville is now applied to the Kingdom Hall, and now the whole world sees Jehovah’s witnesses are now making friends with the Wildbeast as UN NGO escorts and streetwalkers raising JW funds fro their UN pimps, JWs have now become globally known partners with the UN, no problem, not a peep of protest. JWs stare off into daze “standing erect” like cult-frocked zombies, for the “end of the world” is now next week. “All hail GBeee, all hail GBeee, all hail GBeee” is their eerie mantra chant, your skin crawls. What the hell is all this!!?

What just happened? you say to yourself, What happened when I went to sleep last night? What gives? Is this some crazy nightmare? I mean this is horrible, this is very confusing, hey JWs!! Wake up! Have you all gone crazy? A UN NGO? Are YOU NUTS!!!

“Jehovah’s “witnesses” are now in cult-like service glorifying themselves and their billionaire human leaders in the “Governing Body” like the apostate Jews and Baal. To Molech, the sexual child sacrifice services are now part of the pedophile department of the JW ministry at global scale, and the whole world is watching Jehovah’s witnesses sacrifice their children to Molech the Pedophile, as the GB walk them to the altar to be slaughtered before your eyes.

The GB Evil Slave is out saying they, the GB, is the self judged and self-proclaimed “Faithful and Discreet Slave” lifting themselves over everyone in broad daylight. JWs are clapping and prostrate in GB worship, kissing their feet and rings amidst crying and screaming little children strapped to the WT child abuse altar to Satan right at the anointed Christian headquarters of Bethell. Jehovah’s witnesses are openly worshiping Satan, and not one seems to care.

The ministry is full of UN and Satanic imagery, no one is saying anything among JWs, the world itself is in jaw-dropped amazement, laughing their heads off at JWs and throwing scarlet tomatoes at them as they prance by all smooch marked by each other’s butt kissing and GB butt kissing routines. The JW organization is now an idol factory of mass corporatism “JWwhorg” media marketing as JWs buy ties and key chains with the Satanic “JW” 33 logos, totally oblivious to the Satanic Dragon reality they are ensconced within.

You have awoken in the JW Twilight Zone where nothing is as it used to be!

dee dee dee dee, dee dee dee dee, dee dee dee dee

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[QUOTE who=”Tony Price 77″]<quoted text>

Really? So no “bunker” experiences? 🙂 Please (succinctly)explain. 😀 But we’ll, leave all of the intricate details for your website. 😀

Also, did you see my reply #15?

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I’ll review what I missed.

No, there will be bunkers, but there will not be “the end of the world” it will be the attempted total destruction of the JW org under “the end of it all” smokescreen.

They have infiltrated JWs to mislead them to think it is “the end”, which delusion is useful for this global “doomsday” HOAX coming up.

In reality, the globalist backed Revelation 17:8-18 final cycle to full world government’s final cycle is JUST GETTING STARTED.

This way they have JWs thinking in error “it just has to be the end now”, when in reality the whole final cycle to world government has but begun.

In this manner JWs can be further delayed, and the enemy system hopes JWs cannot recover and reconnect to prophecy reality in time. (But they will Daniel 11:32b)

It is easy to prove why JWs are the furthest point of prophecy explanation, yet still incomplete. And because of that potential for a full final warning and global exposure of all post 1990 UN progress, JWs are the target to truncate and try to fully depose.

HUGE shocking events on JWs will form a global signal for the explanations that must emerge from the JW smoke and ashes, it is Rev 9 parallel of the recovery phase prior to that final global 1260 day warning. The Daniel 8:13-14 temple judgment (Rev8 parallel) allows enough time to judge it, recover it, and get ready.

JW Twilight Zone
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-witness/TN0L4E8PQIT4BODSH

Of course all this at this time is unknown to modern “wrong condition” UN NGO misled JWs. Hence the need for Daniel 8:13-14 next, on JW org as the visible epicenter of divine judgment.

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[QUOTE who=”Tony Price 77″]I would like to share the reason why I started this thread.

For some reason I was reading Revelation 17:16-17 and looked up the Watchtower’s interpretation of these verses. Also, I thought that the Watchtower’s interpretation made a lot of sense, therefore, I tried to look up discussions on these verses, and particularly from ‘former’ JWs websites. However, I soon discovered that there wasn’t really a lot of discussion of these verses on Ex-JW websites. Therefore, I decided to post about these verses at this forum.

Also, I recently thought about the “Will suicide rates increase in JW org? 2016” thread:

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-witness/TTL2T9NIAGI1AAL1Q

and how some JWs with problems feel so locked into the JW faith that they either hurt themselves or commit suicide. Plus, there are a lot of Bible passages that cause unhappy JWs to be locked into their religion(and I’m sure that Revelation 17:16-17 is one of them), therefore, I was wondering how former JWs view these verses rather than being so impressed with JWs’ interpretation of these verses, that they feel as if JWs have the truth.

Or do they just ignore these verses and just pretend that they are not a reality.[/QUOTE]

The JW interpretation is now dated, Bethel is infiltrated so no “live and real-time” UN 1990 information is used to refresh the JW prophecy progress. JWs are stalled at the 50, 1945 UN relevance.

Now as UN NGO JWs are running the wrong way, to the wrong “end zone”.

This is why JWs get no needed updates, the GB is a “mystery of lawlessness” from the Devil as per Zechariah 3:1 Satanic resistance IN THE TEMPLE.

Destroying sheep is the GB wolf goal, hence the pedophiles and shunning to try to strees sheep to kill themselves.

The GB is a horrid excuse fo leading Christian men, they are in league with Satan knowibgly as per Daniel 11:32a.

JWs have been infiltrated years ago. Bad JW fruitage PROVES the Devil is INSIDE their own “house”.

But this is also all final apostasy prophecy (Dan11:30-35; Dan8:11-14), and this too shall pass. (Dan8:13-14)

Keep your eyes on JWs, big events will prove Daniel 8:13-14 in the future, it is timed for verification later.

XJw sites are part of the total discrediting campaign of the external part of this “operation of error”, they hope people think JWs are 100% wong from day one.

BUT that is not the case, do not toss the Baby with the bathwater of “befouled” apostate-state modern JW Bethel. (Zech3:1-5) The bad is about to be filtered out from among JWs first. (1Pet4:17)

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[QUOTE who=”little lamb”]<quoted text>

I agree when any tragedy occurs , people blame God .

i also believe Job was real and not just a story, as people who believe Satan’s lie , that Gods word is not true .

I believe that we learn the power of Satan , but he can’t do anything without permission .

It explains why Jesus teaches us to pray ‘ do not bring us into temptation ‘ …and after Job really mean it .

Jesus said he has come to break up the works of the Devil …..

So the Devil certainly has works that causes death and distress to human beings ….for he is called the father of the lie and a murderer from the beginning .

But that Job is true is brought out by Ezekiel 14 [14] ” And had these three men proved to be in the midst of it [a land] Noah, Daniel , and Job , they themselves because of their righteousness would deliver their souls is the utterance of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah

Which going off on a tangent… is proof to the Jews , from a prophet they do accept and who don’t believe in Daniel .[/QUOTE]

Thanks sister, good point.

The Bible is the miraculous Word of God in written form. It was granted by God true, but it went through hell to get here. Many times Satan has tried to destroy the Word of God since the times of Assyria and Babylon.

Thus never doubt one single sentence from God’s Word. That is where it begins, then one doubt leads to more and more and more, to result in the loss of faith and thus to potential destruction.

Make no compromise, world judgment is where this “test fo faith” in all people will lead, in time.

(Matthew 5:17-18) . . .Do not think I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I came, not to destroy, but to fulfill; 18 for truly I say to YOU that sooner would heaven and earth pass away than for one smallest letter or one particle of a letter to pass away from the Law by any means and not all things take place.

It is ALL THE TRUTH FROM GOD’S OWN MOUTH. Every “particle” is TRUTH.

It is what it claims to be, and from who it cl;aims to be.

OF COURSE, it will be discredited, that is the Satanic default setting! Discrediting the Bible by some, just makes it all MORE REAL!

When it is NOT discredited, then it is all over.

In the meantime, believe it and we just keep appealing to God through Jesus Christ for the power to do so, in stalwart undoubting and uncompromising manner.

It will not fail.

HUGE changes are coming for this here planet, ENORMOUS in scope and power. We are just now at the beginning fo the final phase chapter. Contrary to apostate GB and JWs, “the end” CANNOT come “next”, it is a trap, it is a delusion as per 2Thess2:1-2.

The apostasy and lawless one NOW among JWs MUST be fully exposed globally well before the end comes, the end of the other guys weak so-called power system.

A lot has yet to occur, every last sentence of this eras prophecy must fulfill. (Rev10:5-8; Rev10:11 “You must prophesy AGAIN”)

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[QUOTE who=”little lamb”]<quoted text>

As Jesus told Satan ” man must not live on bread alone but every word that comes out of the mouth of Jehovah ‘

I am also interested in the scripture translation that says ” My people are dying through lack of knowledge ‘

That is why I liked the translation that said ” this means everlasting life the taking in knowledge of you the only true God and the one you sent forth , Jesus Christ.’

So “knowledge” of God and Christ is the ‘key’ to life , which fits in with Jesus statement that the scribes and Pharisees took away the key of knowledge ….

Which results in death .[/QUOTE]

There are judgment patterns in the Bible too, very important. For example, the Israel Assyrian judgment phase was over 100 years before the Jerusalem Babylon judgment phase.

Thus Isaiah, Hosea, Micah and Amos are particular temple-apostasy warnings for the 1st judgment phase, the warning phase on Israel.

In like manner, the modern JW apostasy by the same means of lawless leadership, is all outlined in those first books in very specific temple meanings now applicable to JWs.

That Bethel will be given to “Assyria” but “Judah” will NOT be given in all anointed, is a pattern at Hosea 1:4-7. That the angel is involved is another. (Rev8-9)

The point being for those with “ears to hear” there are literally hundreds of JW anomalies and apostasy context that can be found in Hosea and Isaiah in great detail which precedes this final temple judgment phase wake up and warning “trumpet” alarm.

(Nahum 1:10) . . .Although they are being interwoven even as thorns and they are drunken as with their wheat beer, they will certainly be devoured like stubble fully dry.

THAT is the weed “thorn” infiltration of the JW ministry, for example.

But Nahum, Habakkuk, Obadiah and Zephaniah give broader global judgment detail, where as those others are temple “Israel” judgment details. But they all parallel. Joel is a trumpet phase parallel of recovery, that Revelation 8 parallel of the JW judgment prior to “bridegroom” arrival. (Matt25:1-13 parallel, too)

(Joel 2:15-16) . . .“Blow a horn in Zion, O men. Sanctify a time of fasting. Call together a solemn assembly. 16 Gather [the] people together. Sanctify a congregation. Collect [the] old men together. Gather children and those sucking the breasts together. Let [the] bridegroom go forth from his interior room, and [the] bride from her nuptial chamber.

And after that in Joel, comes a new surge of holy spirit, because the anointed whole house will be scattered. Even now JWs are a good example of the sad state of affairs in the temple now.

(Joel 2:28-32) . . .“And after that it must occur that I shall pour out my spirit on every sort of flesh, and YOUR sons and YOUR daughters will certainly prophesy. As for YOUR old men, dreams they will dream. As for YOUR young men, visions they will see. 29 And even on the menservants and on the maidservants in those days I shall pour out my spirit. 30 “And I will give portents in the heavens and on the earth, blood and fire and columns of smoke. 31 The sun itself will be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the coming of the great and fear-inspiring day of Jehovah. 32 And it must occur that everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will get away safe; for in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there will prove to be the escaped ones, just as Jehovah has said, and in among the survivors, whom Jehovah is calling.”

Though that has a known fulfillment in Christ’s time, it has to REPEAT on the JW temple checkmate now in progress.

God REPEATS prophecy and patterns so the final one can be comprehended before it all fully unfolds. It has to be known BEFORE it all happens, not after as is usually the case, or it would be too late, of course.

But it will all unfold in exact foretold detail. It starts on JWs (Dan8:13-14; 1Pet4:17) so we have the right benchmark “temple” association of the modern anointed ministry.

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[QUOTE who=”little lamb”]<quoted text>

Its interesting that Solomon’s son Rehoboam , mother was an Ammonite …

And things become clearer now , as you realize that the King allowing his wives to worship other gods …that would have influenced their sons

And its interesting how Rehoboam went to the young men who he grew up with , whose mothers were a mixture of worshipers of false gods , for counsel in how to handle the men who came to him to let up on taxes for them

And its interesting to know that having divided loyalties means as a King ….Rehoboam had no care for the peoples he was put in charge of ….

Its sickening when you think of the rippling affect , false worshipers have on a Kingdom ..especially if they are put in authority .

The nation of Israel became divided into two Kingdoms based on mother lines .

Judah’s mother was Leah …..

Ephraim’s grandmother was Rachel ….Ephraim’s father was Joseph and his mother was an Egyptian .

What is of interest is Leah ..is in the female linage to Jesus and not Rachel .

But of Jesus is is written he will bring back the tribes of Israel .

Wow! the Bible is interesting …[/QUOTE]

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Sure is.

I think Jezebel is even in the line:

*** it-1 p. 209 Athaliah ***

Queen of Judah, daughter of King Ahab of Israel and his wife Jezebel; granddaughter of Omri. (2Ki 8:18, 26) She was the sister of Israel’s King Jehoram, and sister or half sister of the other 70 sons of Ahab, all of whom Jehu ordered killed. (2Ki 3:1, 2; 10:1-9) Athaliah was given in a marriage of political expediency to Jehoram, the eldest son of Jehoshaphat of Judah. (2Ki 8:25-27; 2Ch 18:1) She was the mother of Ahaziah, who in time became king of Judah.

But imperfection was no limitation when God brought human perfection back in in Jesus Christ.

Chronicles and Kings are very interesting with many little details and actually different perspectives of the same history.

For a while, I did not know Judah had a queen, but it seems a certain trend continued in the Israel north kingdom which produced that Athaliah coup attempt. Though Athaliah was a usurpation overall, she did fit into the lineage from what I can gather.

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Before her, Omri, like the GB, was also an illegal insertion:

*** it-2 p. 554 Omri ***

Sixth king of the northern ten-tribe kingdom of Israel. Nothing of Omri’s ancestry is recorded, not even the name of his father or tribe. Omri founded the third dynasty of Israel (those of Jeroboam and Baasha preceded), his son Ahab and grandsons Ahaziah and Jehoram succeeding him, all four totaling some 46 years (c. 951-905 B.C.E.) on the throne. Omri’s granddaughter Athaliah ruled six years on the throne of Judah. (2Ki 8:26; 11:1-3; 2Ch 22:2) Jehu, who wiped out the house of Ahab and established the next dynasty of Israel, is called a “son [that is, successor] of Omri” on the Black Obelisk of Shalmaneser III. (Ancient Near Eastern Texts, edited by J. Pritchard, 1974, p. 281) In fact, the Assyrians continued calling Israel “the land of Omri” and Israel’s kings “the house of Omri” long after his descendants had ceased ruling—a tribute to his power.

In all that it appears Satan was trying to get a full foothold in the kingdom early. But in time Jehovah acted for a purge, despite the lineage additions. Hence Hosea 1:4-7 coming on modern JWs and their illegal GB Ahab and Jezebel hell squad takeover of the temple now active “in the temple”.

They too will be purged by God. (Zech3:1-5; Dan8:13-14)

There is no way this current JW abomination-mobile can roll on in deception like this very much longer.

Its apostasy is ALREADY a prophecy (Dan11:32a), and when this temple judgment phase hits it will be full blown prophecy in global activation of Revelation 8’s (Dan8:13-14 parallel) final fuflillment cycle as Rev8-11 will proceed over the fianl years of thsi system.

(Hosea 1:7) . . .But to the house of Judah I shall show mercy, and I will save them by Jehovah their God; but I shall not save them by a bow or by a sword or by war, by horses or by horsemen.”

“Israel” JW org will be given:

(Hosea 1:6) . . .I shall no more show mercy again to the house of Israel, because I shall positively take them away.

But as per Hosea 1:7 the Zechariah 3:2 “log” (anointed approved, “five discreet virgins”) will be “snatched” from that purifying fire. A final wrap-up must emerge from this event.

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[QUOTE who=”Newtonian”]

Our organization was not just formed in the last days – however, after the 2300 days the organization became more theocratic – thus in the “right condition” as per Daniel 8:13,14[/QUOTE]

But in the Your Will Be Done book (1958, pg.214, par. 41) even Fred Franz entertained doubts on Daniel 8:13-14:

“IF we accept this as fulfilling the prophecy…”

And then the 1932 to 1938 timing of 1958 was shifted up to 1938-1944 in 1999 as Bethel tried to associate the 2300 days with WW2’s length, having to fudge the “interpretation” in an attempt to make such error more believable.**

So with these doubts and shifts and a “theocracy” that has become a Governing Body, not God, dictatorship we do not accept the prophecy as interpreted by Bethel.

In reality, Bethel’s “Theocracy” and “governing body” concept all from 1944, is how the JW ministry came to be control from the 1976 GB coup of Bethel on down to the congregation as the whole will now be given to the “small horn” Anglo globalist leads for JW org liquidation.

1944: The Governing Body, UN Allied Apostate Leaders of the Implied “Wrong Condition” of Daniel 8:14
https://templelijah.wordpress.com/dan8/how-daniel-812-14-unright-condition-has-been-developed-by-the-profane-governing-body-since-1944/

Changes beginning in 1944 and the introduction of the “governign body” concept is how Jehovah’s witnesses and the ministry are now in the WRONG CONDITION under iron fisted in velvet suits tyrant apostate now known since 1971 as the “Governing Body” who usurp Christ and are “set in opposition” to God’s purpose for the ministry.

The real Daniel 8:13-14 is comign and when it fulfills fully there will be no question of what the “interpretation” of the matter is, it is the modern temple judgment of Jehovah’s witnesses to BEGIN the final cycle. It is not “the end” for few more years, it is 2Thess2:1-2 premature expectation of “Jehovah’s Day” tantamount to “the end” in JW blinded eyes.

** Fred Franz is not to blame, the apostasy led by the GB “lifting themselves over everyone” in 1976 had not happened yet,so in reality Fred had nothing to “interpret”. And apostasy did arise at Bethel in 1976, only Nathan Knorr and Fred Franz condemned the idea only to be overridden by the “little horn” implants in that illegal “Governing Body” entity. (Dan8:12 JWs are “gradually given over to the small horn”)

The Governing Body made their own personal billion dollar “covenant for the JW kingdom of the WTBTS” and joined the UN system in 1991 as UN NGO, so they are the signal visible parties of the Daniel 11:30b “those leaving the holy covenant” in a number of ways since 1976. Since after 1919 the “holy covenant” was associated only with Jehovah’s witnesses, only modern anointed Christians can be those actively “leaving the holy covenant”. Christendom had “left” the covenant for centuries by that time.

Daniel 8:13-14 Details the Coming Temple Judgment of Jehovah’s Witnesses
http://templelijah.wordpress.com/dan8/daniel-813-14-details-the-coming-temple-judgment-of-jehovahs-witnesses/

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[QUOTE who=”Tony Price 77″]So, BetheljudgmentDan8-14soon, why is it that you are the only one who has this interpretation of the Bible? Not even the non-JW Christians at this forum seem to have been given (by God?) the scriptural insight that you believe that you have.

Also, I find it telling that all the other non-JW Christians at this forum are silent on this topic of Revelation 17:16-17. As if they are scared of this scripture.

Plus, the message that is being conveyed to me is that: if there’s a scripture that JWs seem to be correct about… IGNORE IT… and pretend that it’s not there. But how phony. (And conversely, it’s kind of like what theMadJW does.) :D[/QUOTE]

Who says I only have it? YOU. Study the past, you will know why a spear is more effective than a shield in spiritual warfare when targeting the enemy lies now within the JW ministry by use of its completely illegal leadership.

No, if JWs are correct KEEP IT, where in error TOSS IT. Bethel keeps error in place and they cause great global reproach by doing so, with things like shunning and “generation” that could easily be adjusted: TOSS IT 100%

Instead, Bethel tries to jam the square into the round hole by use of bigger and bigger hammers. FOOLS run Bethel, but these guys are “fools” on purpose, to make JWs look ridiculous so people doubt the life-saving message.

JWs are now their own BIGGEST REPROACH ON GOD’S NAME EVER, by these Bethel maintained and produced scandals and hypocrisy and cold-heartedness.

It is what it is, look on YouTube, that is “sighing and groaning” due to Bethel detestable behavior, yes anti-Christ is what commands JWs now-a-daisy.

(Ezekiel 9:4) . . .And Jehovah went on to say to him: “Pass through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and you must put a mark on the foreheads of the men that are sighing and groaning over all the detestable things that are being done in the midst of it.”

The people leaving WT are being put there for their safety by God. (Matt24:15) JW org is a DEATH-TRAP now, the enemy is IN THE HOUSE. (Dan11:32a)

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[QUOTE who=”Tony Price 77″]
Also, I find it telling that all the other non-JW Christians at this forum are silent on this topic of Revelation 17:16-17. As if they are scared of this scripture.
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My dog ran into a mad as hell Javelina mother one day, with her little baby javelina, against a small canyon wall, semi entrapped. My dog NEVER seen a javelina before, but the yelp my dog gave out bolting like lightninign OUT of the area was like total terror, I never heard it before, she KNEW that thing she never saw was BAD NEWS! Beign part greyhound it was easy for her to probably even catch a coyote if need be, so she got away easily from the javelina.

But people are not “getting away” from world government. And thought they never seen it, they KNOW it is BAD NEWS. And Revelation 17:8-18 is all about world government, they avoid the whole thing, because in addition “harlot” sell-out religions are also outlined in that prophecy.

So you got global-politics AND “religion” all in one ominous prophecy, so some people will avoid it all they can, until you know, they are in the box canyon, and world government is coming down the other way. Then some will have to face the prophecy facts. Some will, some will continue to try to put it off.

Honestly, some people are afraid of these ideas. Others have never been motivated to do the kind of research you are doing. But everyday someone new is catching on. Soon it will be hundreds a day, when the box canyon nation-state trap is more clearly seen.

Either way, this is an adventure coming up, it is not going to be either pretty or easy. But it si NOT “doomsday”, it just runs its horrific “global problem” course to the world government “global solution”
and as per Revelation 13:3 and Revelation 17:8 “admiration” for the wildbeast world governemnt is the intended “reaction” to the “save”.

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[QUOTE who=”Tony Price 77″]So, BetheljudgmentDan8-14soon, why is it that you are the only one who has this interpretation of the Bible? [/QUOTE]

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You know 95% of the Bible prophecy has already been fully harmonized with history of world government development by JWs. But if you notice they will not touch the idea of a completed world government with a ten foot pole, Why is that?

Because JWs have been infiltrated to be taught to stall and be silent on world government completion because it is the greatest sign of Christ arrival the world will ever get.

Thus trend of shutting up and joining the UN NGO all began around 1990, with that silenced 3rd UN event after the Cold War of Daniel 11:29 “different” unique note.

All I am doing is taking what JWs already did, and conencting up to the post 1990 UN and globalization progress. For example, JWs already claim UN 1 and UN 2 in 1919 and 1945 are prophecy.

Then I ask JWs, WHY ON EARTHnot also say UN 3 is prophecy at Daniel 11:31b???? For a UN1-2-3 and keep everybody UP TO DATE with UN activity they can actually see in color, rather than WW2 UN black and white of the past.

WHY?

Because JWs have been taught to do this, and maintaining error is ONLY Daniel 8 and 11 is how JWs are bypassed past the greatly significant THIRD United Nations post Cold War victory presentation of 1990, in even “New World Order” mode on the “cold-rubble of the defunct USSR, failing any “King North” possible only in the GLOBALIST SYSTEM OF WORLD GOVERNMENT PRODUCTION!

Tony, it does NOT take a prophet, nor a rocket scientist nor Sherlock Holmes to see where JWs are screwing up in regard to UN 3, 1990. ANYONE CAN SEE THIS when it is explained.

So I did what you are doing for around 5 years now, full-time, and I just connect UN1-2 in prophecy already, to UN3-4 in prophecy already, UN1-2-3-4 [1], UN 4 being world government, in the already 90% done JW continuum. I am just summarizing what JWs should be doing, and could also easily see if they looked.

1. I do not respect nor obey the UN-GB sell-outs so I looked into areas they are covering up. (Dan8:12b)

2. I connected massive globalism and UN research since 1990 and just found where it fits into the places GB are diverting attention from.

Voila, it all fits! EASY!

Any Christian who sees ANYTHING, of course, has to give credit to God, all people need to give credit to God ALONE for everything truthful, because it is the truth, he really is behind it all. Some people just try to over blow it, because many people who say “God did it in me”, have worked great evils under such a claim, such as the GB for example.

In reality, regular guys like Rutherford, Myron Fagan, and Alex Jones are who progressively explained “globalization” and its main world government objective to me and others.

All we need to do is connect Alex Jones “pieces” to the prophecy puzzle, everyone else did everything else already for us. All I did was connect the last two “dots” is all, world government and Christ arrival.

In reality, all prophecy, globalization research and “conspiracy theory” all converge into one final global WORLD GOVERNMENT situation that triggers Christ arrival. [2]

Everyone already knows all this, some are just in denial, but deep down we all know this Christ thing is true, and so is this intent to “rule the world”. Even Scooby and Shaggy came across these mad men all the time, “everybody wants to rule the world”.

But only the globalists will accomplish it for but “one hour”, symbolic of the shortest “reign” of them all. (Rev17:12)

They get to meet Christ for full-blown sovereign war with about a 100 million billion angels fo God. Wonder who’s gonna win?

Stick with the winner, don’t just survive but live forever.

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Outline – UN has Four Cycles in World History and Bible Prophecy
http://templelijah.wordpress.com/un-fourth-cycle-soon/outline-un-has-four-cycles-in-world-history-and-bible-prophecy/

All Four United Nations Presentations are Foretold in Bible Prophecy
http://templelijah.wordpress.com/graphics-of-final-cycle/all-four-united-nations-presentations-are-foretold-in-bible-prophecy/

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World Government, Bible Prophecy and Conspiracy Theory Converge
https://templelijah.wordpress.com/2015/07/30/bible-prophecy-and-conspiracy-theory-converge/

https://templelijah.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/world_government_bible_prophecy_and_conspiracy_theory-draft1.pdf

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[QUOTE who=”Tony Price 77″]<quoted text>

So even if what you’re saying is true, it really doesn’t make a whole lot of sense because why didn’t Jehovah or perhaps someone sent by Jehovah intervene in situations where servants of God committed sins(e.g. 2 Samuel 11:2-4 where Jehovah could have intervened between verses 3 and 4))?

Also, BetheljudgmentDan8-14soon, according to what you’re saying, it wasn’t really Job who kept his integrity and did not sin against Jehovah, but it was Elihu and Jehovah himself who caused that to happen.

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Elihu and Jehovah corrected Job so he made the right decision and RETRACTED what he was trying to say:

(Job 42:6) . . .That is why I make a retraction, And I do repent in dust and ashes.”

THAT was the last statement of Job, Job 40 is telling.

He admitted error:

(Job 42:3) . . .‘Who is this that is obscuring counsel without knowledge?’ Therefore I talked, but I was not understanding Things too wonderful for me, which I do not know.

Admission is a big deal with God. So yes Elihu and God did help Job make the retraction of accusations, as Satan is the “accuser of our brothers” and wants to turn people into accusers of God, like himself.

BUT, [[[JOB THE MAN]]] made his own decision in the end, and he made the correct one.

On David.

In retrospect the failings of David build faith. If God can forgive that when admitted, what can he not forgive?

David like Job are examples for humans trying to serve God to the best of our abilities in sinful nature.

A number of errors are turned to God advantage, fro example:

(1 Samuel 8:7) . . .Then Jehovah said to Samuel: “Listen to the voice of the people as respects all that they say to you; for it is not you whom they have rejected, but it is I whom they have rejected from being king over them.

So Israel wanted a King eh? Well in God’s chess game, that opened up the square for his King Jesus Christ. The Jews made a play, and God ended up doing a checkmate and giveing their kingdom to Christ by perfect performance of the Mosaic contract for a kingdom.

(Exodus 19:5-6) . . .And now if YOU will strictly obey my voice and will indeed keep my covenant, then YOU will certainly become my special property out of all [other] peoples, because the whole earth belongs to me. 6 And YOU yourselves will become to me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words that you are to say to the sons of Israel.”

In that regard, the Jews screwed up. Jesus however legally claims the Kingdom.

See how a bad attitude on the Jews part opened them up for a checkmate in time?

Universal Chess with Jehovah
https://bibleresearchfiles.wordpress.com/jehovah/universal-chess-with-jehovah/

That is what happens when anyone, angel or man, tries to beat Jehovah at His own game!

And we are not done, now he will bring in “The King”, Jesus Christ, “King of kings and Lord of lords” mind you.

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You can talk and hear clearly in the “eye” of a tornado like that one had to be, plus when God talks the ear has to listen. Job was right in the eye of the notable “wind storm” surrounded by God.

But overall Elihu shocked Job, but did Job get arrogant because some younger person corrected him? Nope. By the time God spun on in over Job, that sealed the effect. Altogether it was quite a relief from them other 3 bozos Job had to deal with, and it had to have made a huge impression on a man already pummelled to a weakened state, he revived.

And luckily for them bozos, God spared them and Job interceded for them, or they would have been BBQ. Jehovah even shut their mouths too:

(Job 42:7-9) And it came about after Jehovah had spoken these words to Job, that Jehovah proceeded to say to Eliphaz the Temanite: “My anger has grown hot against you and your two companions, for you men have not spoken concerning me what is truthful as has my servant Job. 8 And now take for yourselves seven bulls and seven rams and go to my servant Job, and you men must offer up a burnt sacrifice in your own behalf; and Job my servant will himself pray for you. His face only I shall accept so as not to commit disgraceful folly with you, for you have not spoken concerning me what is truthful, as has my servant Job.”

9 Accordingly Eliphaz the Temanite and Bildad the Shuhite [and] Zophar the Naamathite went and did just as Jehovah had spoken to them; and so Jehovah accepted Job’s face.

Everyone learned a needed lesson and had plenty of stories for the grandkids after that time.
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[QUOTE who=”Tony Price 77″]<quoted text>

Also, Newtonian, it sounds like with your scientific orientation, you realize that there is actual evidence for evolution, which you can’t deny, but at the same time, you want that reality to exist along side with your religious beliefs, which you hold dearly. Even though many (or most) other strict religious people would just disregard the evidence that exists for evolution as being bunk.
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There is evidence for species level adaptation, not genus level “evolution”, which term Darwin NEVER used in his book On the Origin…

Species variations are much smaller DNA alterations mathematically speaking. Genus alterations are HUGE DNA alterations. Species variation is like painting your white car red. Genus alterations are like turning your white car into a black monster truck.

All of these definitions are contained in billions of RNA and DNA level programmatic changes and ripple effects. But genus changes are in the quadrillions upon quadrillions.

Evolution is impossible in the way they attempt to describe. Now creating different genus and things like that are possible to God, he does employ alterations to common principle is creation abruptly or over time, he has no limitations.

The human “Taxonomy” understanding is erred on many levels, it is a hack job of dark ages “scientists”, it does not explain much, and it is in conflict with the now know genomic architecture of the global DNA matrix. But it is too big of a change for “old world order” scientists, they are winnowed out and these updates will be introduced under the “new world order” sciences.

The real DNA relationships within many areas of taxonomic “kingdom” are quite different then that chicken scratch taxonomic tree people can see graphics of. Real DNA tracings of various genomic relationships are very different in certain key areas it turns out.

Why?

Because these old world order scientist use visuals to try to describe relationships, if it looks like this, it must be related to that. In the DNA world, the DNA phylogenetic architectures of relationships deep in layers of the DNA “onion” between genii are not always “visible” in the life form that program drives in ways “eyeball scientists” have assumed in the past. Some taxonomic branches therefore connect to the wrong assumed related species, etc.

That causes some HUGE problems with reality, and the fictions they have been proposing for the last 100 years. The NWO plans to “start over” with academia as well as religion as you have been studying in Revelation 17:15-18. The religious complex is not the only one slated for removal, some like academia and slated for a drastic “fast track” overhaul.

The don’t call it a NEW world order for nothing, let’s put it that way. Academia as you know it is slated for a fast “evolution” under world government which will extinct many old world scientists.

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[QUOTE who=”Newtonian”]<quoted text>

OK, Bethel judgment – why are you posting lies about us?

We are increasing, not decreasing – and who are your independent estimators who are so far off? See:

http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/302016039

You lost over 2 million of us in your estimate – how did you manage that????

May I suggest referencing our website instead of believing websites which lie about us?

See:

jw.org

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Bad press is how this has occurred. JWs are dropping like flys, but Bethel has to smokescreen it with a statistical claim that is not too big, just 1% growth, and in that “barely growing” stat, a 5% decline can be hidden.

This is why they are mass liquidating down to the real numbers, BEFORE the mega-JW-org crash comes.

They have already skimmed JW org of 10 billion dollars, on the investment books JW org is worth 30 billion dollars, 10 is being ripped off now, a few billion will be left for the national vultures come liquidation time.

I know you do not want to accept it at this time, but JWs have been ripped off and this fianl haul will be in the 15 billion dollar range.

WTBTS whole global complex is worth a conservative 30 billion. Red Flag: Yet they are laying off Bethelites they can easily care for?

Yes they are, because they are contracting big loot now BEFORE the main JW org assault begins. Most JWs will lose their halls. God permits this because at this time he is not very pleased with WJ conduct nor the UN NGO.

Consider yourself blessed you are finding out why BEFORE the Bethel hits the fan. Most JWs are totally clueless, you are not, you know. So you can help JWs when and after this hits once you accept the reality of the situation.

A destroyed JW org will help you accept that reality to come as the “trampling” of Daniel 8:13-14. You shall have the rest of your work cut out for you by God at that time.

Consider it a blessing in disguise for now. Come “morning” time all this will make complete sense.

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–but uhm, you’re concerned about the J’sWs having sold out to the NWO/UN etc. and act AS IF that’s Satan taking over the ‘Christian church’ … But the J’sWs AIN’T CHRISTIAN ! !
and besides, don’t ya know that Satan has Already Had a Bigger false-‘Christian’ cult under his thumb?– It’s called the RCC, the Roman Catholic Cult and much of Protestantism, aka the Harlot and her daughters, bunch of damned Sunday keepers and Sabbath dissers

It’s not a ‘wildbeast’ there at the UN meetings, in fact they are quite tame and cordial, those globalists have rather boring get togethers, same goes for the global elite meetings at the Council on Foreign Relations and the Bilderberg Group etc.
David Rockefeller and Kissinger and the global Banksters and top politicos of both parties and foreign leaders etc. etc. have all gotten along together swimmingly for years–and it’s cuz they all agree on the main goal which is global governance by them the elite, they’re only each vying for their piece of the pie and/or a say as to how exactly it’s run. The scariest thing is that they also agree on the ‘need’ for a HUUUUGE curb in population, a massive culling of the sheeple who they see as using up too much land and resources & water etc. of the world which the NWO elite consider to be Their property. ‘Useless eaters’ they consider us, and they create the wars and diseases in the lab and lace them into vaccines (like they did with AIDS) and infect insects with them so as to spread them via insects, as happened with Zika. I was in a talk group years ago and brought up how the Club of Rome has had plans and talks about the ‘need’ for population control, and the dummies had never heard of that group and one woman thought I was dissing the RCC because it’s HQ is in Rome.
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You’ll appreciate this video which kind of agrees with you about the UN etc., it’s Biblical-based ConspiracyPorn that will have you and ‘Ear..’ each shuddering under the covers in your bed wetting yourself over your paranoid delusions of the UN troops taking you away and having to be forced to take a chip etc.—

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At this time “international law” is a law of consent. When NATO adjoins to the UN with Russia and China as one whole after this final world war coming up, it will no longer by a “law of consent” it will be a “ten horn” backed global law enforcement entity.

These “good old days” at the UN will be over. The nations will be bankrupted, so they will have to comply with their meal-ticket overlords.

Most of the global takeover is by financial means. (Dan11:42-43) Super-NATO is just there to provide the forces of global law enforcement. Taking the US down is higher priority than Russia and China, they will tumble like wobbly old men, once NATO turns parts of Moscow and Beijing to dust from but 100 miles over their NATO bound heads.

No one can beat Global NATO. Well no one except just one of Christ’s angels that is. But he will arrive with 100 million billion of them. Global NATO and Space NATO is toast. Google’s cloud and network will be erased like a blackboard.

They won’t know who they are, all their money data will be “deleted”. They won’t even know who they were because all backups are also wiped out. They won’t know where they are because the planetary continental matrix will be re-arranged as well.

Unfortunately for them, world government has become 90% digital, poor guys. The final 10% will be no problem to finish off come Christ game day.

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NASA’s job was being a visible public orifice to channel “space race” billions to intercontinental missile and satellite research under guise of a hoax of a “good intention”, with “public blessing”, in fact public obsession aided by Hollywood.

Today NASA is a dinosaur as proven by the out-dated shuttle over the years. They are now a distraction away from the real hubs of independent globalist space research.

They have a mix of truth, much cannot be verified or must be verified by only NASA. At times, they have to rely on fabricated visuals to “prove” their science is worthy of the trillions people have allowed to be poured into that blackhole and racket. They have definitely aided the taking of space for military purposes, much like the military advantage the taking of oceans in the British era gave England. The next “ocean” is space, and its domination will be help empower the next global power system or world government.

They have also distracted from the obvious strategic value of upper atmosphere and space weapons network placement. Who needs to invade Moscow or Beijing if you got a yotawatt-capable precision energy weapons matrix but 100 miles directly over all their heads? They looked left and right but forgot to look UP.

OBVIOUSLY space is the ultimate location for advanced weapons application. We won’t even get into the need for the dysfunction or control of enemy satellites, they are like shooting ducks to what the globalists already have in space.

As with computer technology, when everyone is developing from the one globalist controlled point of origin, they have the internal system advantage that is not even really “hacking”, it is pre-engineered to be so. If you got the backdoors and omni-passwords, it is no longer “hacking”. “Hacking” is just a distraction too. Encryption is a fantasy anyways.

Much of the final world war will be space and cyber space and wealth space domination. The conventional and dated weapons displays of “world war” are just the fireworks to keep the global audience looking at the “world war” sideshow of the main play of globalist global takeover. But, alwasy keep in mind, they are not the only guys “out there” who want this here gorgeous planet Earth.

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Of course, in this self same process, once these globalists decided to make 90% of their global power system digitally dependent, they have opened themselves up to easy conquest.

“World Government” is actually mostly computer run and digital. So when things come from beyond space from the other angelic star-temples, that is the opposing forces against Satan’s current angel powered network, erasing world government is facilitated by the very very easy destruction of their digital “selves” first.

Their self worth is “net worth”, their corporations are digital databases of legal definitions, they are really just 0s and 1s, the buildings are just the distractions as is their “human” bodies and clothes. The digital system gave “life” and the potential of money based “meaning” to their actually dead human invented fantasy world. Behind it all is just a dead fantasy of globalist minds. No more than a bad idea, come to temporary fruition for a millisecond in their digital world, in overall space and time just a little flash and deceptive blip.

Global NATO and Space NATO is toast when faced with systemwide data destruction alone. Imagine the globalist financial system? Done. Imagine the globalist sense of self? vaporized. Google’s cloud and network will be erased like a blackboard when that day arrives.

1. They won’t know who they are, all their entity definitions of “value”, proof of possessions and money data will be “deleted”.

2. They won’t even know who they were because all their backup systems are also wiped out.

3. They won’t know where they are because the planetary continental matrix will be re-arranged as well (Isa24:1) and the whole system mapping it will be gone.

Unfortunately for them, world government has become 90% digital, poor guys. The final 10% “hardcopy” and physical infrastructure will be no problem to finish off come game day for the long-awaited celestial and planetary takeover operation of Earth. They just take out the globalist “brain” first. The rest is just nerves, really.

The current digital and space super-advantage that world government engineering globalists have devised for themselves in the strategy of total digital control, is also their Achilles heel when dealing with entities who are in pure command of all energy forms, most of which are truly “super-exotic” not even of this universe much less this world.

The elementary “electricity” and electro-magnetic matrix of Earth, and all that globalist garbage dependent on it, will be like smoke in a breeze, like breath on a mirror, like a sand castle in a tsunami, whisked away at the speed of light by one mega Angelic “Magnetic” Pulse come that day.

What are the globalists going to do then?

They will realize what they really are, mere clay, all the symbols they rule the world with will be g-o-n-e. All their very “being” will be erased, the “money” electro and photo glyphs they so dearly love and need will vanish in the blink of any eye for black screens globally applied. Them angels are only fighting mere 0s and 1s it turns out.

The globalist sense of self is a sense of mere symbolic fantasies which mass belief aided temporary control of planet Earth. The entire globalist “soul” is in a big “green screen” LIE. The globalists want to try to re-create everyone on Earth in their “image”, which is just an afterimage of nothingness charged up by a power line that will be unplugged in time. TOTAL fantasy is all it is!

Once that globalist global-digital “brain” is “washed”, the final takeover of Earth will be like a breeze as well, total confusion of the enemy system to insane proportions will be accomplished without one “shot” even fired, all comprehensively realized globally in a single hour.

They won’t even be able to tell each other just a few miles away, what they may think just happened. Total isolation prior to total conquest. They were trusting in a mere arrangement of 1s and 0s based on volatile supposed energy control to form symbols of “reality” that in the end are mere digitally aided fantasy.

And that same system, or lack thereof, is what is already most of the means of their eventual downfall, poor guys.
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[quote=’Vixy’ pid=’75806′ dateline=’1467909010′]I was thinking, could all of this massive propaganda for transsexuality be to branwash the people through media that the differences between man and woman is non existant and therefore it doesnt matter if a man or woman sits as president?

Something is behind it, its like the anorexia phase. Noone had even heard of it back in the 90’s until every damn newspaper sudenly warned us about it and now we have a fat epidemic instead. So whats the agenda behind erasing the differences between man and woman?[/quote]

That can be a fringe benefit.

Overall it is the internal front of the same “gender war” whose Trojan Horse has now gotten inside individuals in the mass social target of the basic “divide and conquer” upon the sexual front.

But more ominous is the “internalization”, which is definitely psychological, may now have a genetic analog which aids the “gender confusion”. I mean they may truly be confused because their male and female DNA “deck of cards” is LITERALLY being shuffled as part of a global experiment.

Since a “male” and “female” is far more than a single chromosome but also in DNA structural blueprints affecting another 1000s of areas of defining the “gender” of the “being” a “human being” can be truly physiologically “mixed up”. Human gender gradients between male and female can also now be designed in physical form based on the component parts of what defines a male and female comprehensively. If those sub-components can also be “mixed”, you have a total blend of potential conscious gender chaos. ,

Thus, in addition to the psychological complex of confusions, and chemical and hormonally died ones, a physiological neural complex which mirrors these physical areas of “male” vs. “female” “awareness” can be blended for real. And it does not have to be “direct DNA” design, it can be aided by “wireless” and lateral alteration of various areas of the DNA complex that forms after conception and the first transcription forms a human being.

Since the “their technology is 30 years ahead” is a diversion, we are dealing with stuff now verging into being one hundred years ahead of its supposed time of natural scientific advancement as exponential progress is being accelerated by various means. So they can be programming new DNA areas in ways now not comprehendible to the “old world order” layer of dated sciences. The gender confusion may be partially aided by try DNA system alteration of many areas of male and female determinants, not just the obvious such as genitals, etc.

That may be why this thing is getting so “epidemic like” in global proportion, it is beyond “nurture versus nature” it is a blend of both, it has direct DNA analogs being purposely fiddled with. If we even rely on the most “out there” “conspiracy theorists”, it will only take us about 20 years in the future. We need to now use “wild imagination” to breech that imposed barrier. We need to try to think100 years or more into the future, because that is what they are now starting to apply, it isn’t from “this world” in other words, it is from beyond human understanding also accelerating into the human world in leaps and bounds apparently.

Its OK to be labeled “crazy”, you need to be to imagine these things. But we have all the energy and genetic research hints to know where they are going, or are already at, just waiting for the period of full application, this is just the “divide” portion of the eventual overall “divide and conquer” cycle climax.

If you ain’t “crazy” you have not been paying attention. “Crazy” is just ridicule to try to get people to think about other things so as to aid the progress and secrecy of this global takeover system and paradigm now maturing for full use capability. Angelically demon aided sciences are crazy, so don’t feel bad, crazy for them to being going there in the first place.

Plus there are controlling designs beyond just the visible DNA. Visible matter is just the tip of the iceberg of “being” creation. Plus “dark passengers” also exist, and so on. So yes, it is crazy alright.

Think outside the box, and the mansion and galaxy it is within. Go for broke! They are going to be facing these things anyways in time, so forget the poor brain-hacked ridiculer drone-humans; keep thinking that way and you won’t get nowhere.

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“John, did any of the apostles or John the baptist ever mention they were looking for the coming messiah by calculating numbers? How then did they know who Yeshua was? But anyway, I am just stating my opinion. I know nothing I say will keep you guys from calculating up numbers.”

Since Daniel did give us some math to do in Daniel 9 we can know the apostles did their homework and were familiar with the prophecy and its calculation as it led very explicitly to 29 CE. John talked about calculating the 666. Yes, God did invent numbers for a reason.

1. In any event, the 2300 “evenings and mornings” (Dan8:14) calculable as (1) 2300 days or 1150 days, the (2) 1260 days (Dan7:15; Dan12:7; Rev11:2-3; Rev13:5; Rev12:6,14) and the (3) 1290 days (Dan12:11) are divinely described calculable time periods GIVEN BY GOD.

2. They are also described in prophetic descriptive context so as to ascertain they are the coming temple judgment (1), the future final warning (2), and its future cessation into “disgusting thing” finally placed as full 8th King/King North world government. (3)

3. The 1260 days cross references much contextual detail, for it i in 5 prophecy areas, so as to ascertain when it occurs as the timed period leads to the “3.5 days” “death” state of the final warning “two witnesses” which is the final numbered time period prior to Christ arrival.

A. Thus Daniel and Revelation are explicitly linked in the 1260 days and its events. And since the 1260 days leads to the 7th trumpet, we can back trace the former six trumpets to the temple judgment of the purifying “fire of the altar” of Revelation 8:3-5.

B. Since the Christ arrival has several known Bible parallels, we can know they all cross relate and the 1260 days essentially leads to that event. (Matt24:29-31; Rev11:11-12; Rev16:17-20; Rev14; Rev19:11-21)

(We do not need to be Daniel (prophet), Einstein (rocket scientist), or Sherlock Holmes (detective) to determine these simple relationships and outline to 8th King world government and then the Christ arrival; all we need to do is connect the God provided dots.)

We cannot know the day or the hour which is true, [u]but we can know the divinely provided sequential periods that lead to the day[/u], and the 2300 to 1260 to 1290 order. Plus we have 7 trumpets that parallel that entire timed sequence of final prophecy, and they parallel the 7 plagues for obvious reasons of the global context of all this in the future over several final years whose period meanings from God will become ascertainable every step of the way to first world government. Then Christ arrival, global sheep-sweep (world judgment of sheep and goats), conquest.

Revelation 1:1 is the truth “slaves” of God and Christ will know these things this time BEFORE they happen.

For example, there is a great prophecy advancement made among Jehovah’s witnesses to even nail and identify the League of Nations as the United Nations nucleus of world government “image” (UN) and “wildbeast” (world government). So a lawless GB led apostasy (Dan11:32a) is more significant in JWs than in Christendom which has been stalled and compromised for centuries. But at this time JWs are stalled and joined the UN System as UN NGO. (Dan11:30b-32a)

Thus, the temple judgment “right condition” is the opposite of the current state of the JW anointed Christian ministry (Zech3:3). The “right condition” is now what the JW ministry must be restored to. This is no random corruption in JWs, this apostasy is the final apostasy signal of our times.

Thus the real Daniel 8:13-14 will break out upon the JW judgment and the JW org total global downfall at “Biblical proportions” whose Daniel 8:14 timing is assured to transpire into that REQUIRED “right condition” before the 1260 days final warning content of the “little scroll” can be approved by God and commissioned by him through Jesus Christ the Temple leader.

Thus, a verifiable timed prophecy in Daniel 8:14 will be employed to prove this to recovered Jehovah’s witnesses and others.

When we “calculate” Daniel 8:14 in the future, upon JW org smoke and rubble (spiritually speaking), it will affirm this is not some made up story. God times this for undeniable PROOF to the biggest doubters out there: Jehovah’s witnesses themselves.

And further, Daniel 8:14 is timed, it is either 1150 days, or 2300 days, or a dual phased 1150 days “evening” of JW darkness as to what is going on, and an 1150 day “morning” of recovery to the reality of the situation. It will not take too long to verify Daniel 8:13-14 is the temple judgment of Jehovah’s witnesses, in time it leads to the 1260 days which transpires to world government and the Christ arrival and the 1290 days final “open salvation” call period backed by Christ is Savior Mode himself. (Rev14:6-8)

But we have to keep what JWs have advanced to even get here, and toss the obstacles, GB and stalls. We are not reinventing a new wheel, we are getting the same one rolling again. We have to advance to the furthest point JWs have gone to, and then advance in what is really just a replication of the “first witness” cycle. And if some people missed the “first witness” of the “two witness”, aided by JW apostasy and renegade GB misleading, then God will repeat it for a “second witnessing” 1260 days final warning.

That is why there are TWO “witnessings”. Timed periods are what make it all identifiable come the time. Now not all anointed can make the cut, some are not obeying Christ and taking this dead seriously. Some do not rely on God’s word and prophecy enough, some have been distracted by JW apostasy, and various musings on what it all may mean in this haystack of speculation which has anointed scattered and searching.

In reality, God has it fully structured and timed in prophecy as one might expect God is fully capable of doing. Some lack faith in God’s ability to furnish and fulfill explicit and detailed prophecy that leads to the arrival of the arrival 8th King and thus the arrival of his Son and King Jesus Christ.
Do we REALLY REALLY REALLY believe this?:

(Revelation 1:1) A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place.

THAT is the truth.

Anointed making the cut and many others will all know fully “the things that must shortly take place” and believe it fully and the prophecy will be timed for further proof, and that is the promise of God, not a lie. The affirmable explicit timing is what aids many people in believing this AFTER the Daniel 8:13-14 prophecy proves itself upon the “trampling” of the JW org and Jehovah’s witnesses in the very near future. That prophecy has to manifest first, for it is Revelation 8’s direct parallel with Zechariah 3, just prior to the eventual Zechariah 4 and its Revelation 11 parallel.

That’s how we use the Bible prophecy to check Bible prophecy. That’s how we use prophecy to know JWs are in a foretold apostasy that ignites the temple judgment of Daniel 8:13-14, timed for further proof in the future.

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[QUOTE who=”a baddie”]Most businesses, Whither its printing books, selling food, is aimed at making money, If it does not it goes out of business and is bankrupt,
this is obvious, but the Watchtower has to pretend it is about something else.

Indoctrination and a free workforce are two big advantages, a supply of robots to do your bidding without question. It is not different in many ways to any other business, but lets keep quiet about this unpalatable truth [/QUOTE]

Being God’s organization is not a license to do whatever one wants. Thus the temptations that come with a 30 billion dollar JW org, the most profitable religious organization since Dark Ages Catholocism organization, will mean what you say shall be determined by God.

And if this is God’s organization, then you can also expect he ain’t afraid to bring judgmetn upon his own house.

And that first; 1Pet4:15-17

And that timed; Daniel 8:13-14

If it is God’s organization he will judge it accordingly.

Just because it is God’s “organization” don’t mean it cannot go bad.

Israel was God’s “organization” and went apostate.

God’s angels are God’s “organization” and yet 1/3 went with Satan.

But all of them get a judgment because all of them are or were God’s organization.

EVERYTHING is God’s organization, hence world judgment is assured.

God makes the call. For he is a God of judgment, because no one else can do it, so he appointed Christ as Judge.

Expect a divine judgment of JWs first. That BEGINS the final phase, it is far from “the end”.

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[QUOTE who=”pcloadletter”]<quoted text>And we wouldn’t “tell” them it was being fulfilled now. At the most, we would indicate that some people seem to think it fits, maybe ask if they thought it might fit what we see happening today?
I just *pray* I don’t have to hear some predictable comeback to what I’ve just said.
For instance, “But the GB tells you their interpretations -and you HAVE to believe them!”
(which is so not true)

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Imo, these will be the “good old days”. People ain’t seen nothing yet, because the last people to live through a globalist world war cycle was in WW2.

This next cycle will probably be 100 times worse than WW2 and 1929, no joke.

BUT a 10% system dysfunction is all it takes to make it look like the end of the world. It will NOT be “the end”.

Globalist 8th King/King North uses a “global problem” phase to lead to their “global solution” of world government. They use the same old trick, over and over and over again.

Like Christ said it will be a uniquely recognizable phase. But he also said do not be terrified, these things MUST take place FIRST, BUT “the end” is not in this phase.

(Matthew 24:6) . . .YOU are going to hear of wars and reports of wars; see that YOU are not terrified. For these things must take place, but the end is not yet.

(Luke 21:9) . . .Furthermore, when YOU hear of wars and disorders, do not be terrified. For these things must occur first, but the end does not [occur] immediately.”

It is right AFTER this phase.

By now the GB should be noting this just as clearly, but they are NOT. They also want JWs to think it is “the end” way way too soon, that makes JWs predictable and controllable.

After the GB is fired by God, in some cases no doubt quite literally, things will get clearer when they are gone. The GB gets a snowshovel to scoop ’em out of the temple.

(Isaiah 66:6) . . .There is a sound of uproar out of the city, a sound out of the temple! It is the sound of Jehovah repaying what is deserved to his enemies.

The globalists have hi-jacked the JW ministry (by GB tool) as per Daniel 11:32a, but not for long, but it will be an enormous global context to aid the distraction away from what it really is. (Dan8:13-14)

Peer pressure is a GB trick to remain mum on their bloodguilt. They ain’t got long “in the temple” of God, they are our final apostasy signal of all time.
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[QUOTE who=”Logically”]<quoted text>
Well its like you say,

“Well Jehovah’s witnesses have the hope of God’s Kingdom more strongly than any religious group on Earth. When you thoroughly believe Christ is coming to restore all living things now dead “made new” in an eternal paradise FOREVER AND EVER AND EVER on earth exterminating all wicked evil bastards of today’s misery then…

IT IS AWFULLY HARD TO STAY DEPRESSED FOR VERY LONG! LOL”

And that is true, most people who I know which arent alot are depressed not because of the faith they are in, depression is caused because of personal reasons at times, my girlfriend suffers from depression, the one thing that actually helps her is going to meetings, where she is encouraged by the scriptures that whatever we go through now is temporary, she gets encouaraged to see that God still cares for the depressed souls, so I doubt it can be ones faith, unless maybe they dont give them that encouragement and cant seem to answer there Bible based questions maybe then they will become depressed but Jehovahs witnesses are well known for using the Bible to answer peoples questions so its less likely they would not get answers by them and less reason to be depressed
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Its plain to any Bible student that Jehovah’s witnesses have taken prophecy light years ahead of Christendendom. ONLY God can cause valid prophecy progress. There is much human guessing, but the real extensions are backed by God and the errors are systematically filtered out over time, as we progressed into exposure of the Anglo to Anglo-American national progress to world government of “united nations” when that whole entity finally completes. JWs exposed UN1-2 progress from 1919 to 1945 in UN based prophecy fulfillment.

Thus, the stall being performed by retention of error in Daniel 8 and 11, and NOT SAYING A WORD about United Nations progress in the world and in prophecy in that 1990 “New World Order” mode United Nations presentation with the Cold War period ending (Dan11:29), also must be “filtered” out and rectified. But the GB who performs this error in their UN NGO mission to promote the United Nations in the most positive light possible, which includes disconnection from the modern 1990 prophecy of Daniel 11:30-31, must be removed.

They have no interest in exposing the UN of 1990 as UN1-2-3, which leads to UN1-2-3-4 which 4th UN foretold presentation is the one in the future which is full world government.

Thus, their UN NGO wildbeast club partnership in the “UN System” under the UN Secretariat branch of the wildbeast “image”, or nucleus of world government, is connected to this cover up of Daniel 8:12b, Dan11:32a.

In this purification and clarification process Daniel 8:13-14 must fulfill upon this now diverted JW ministry. And it is timed for the biggest doubters of all: modern Jehovah’s witnesses who are now taking part in the cover up of UN 3.0, 1990, and partners as well with the UN by means of the globally known UN NGO.

The JW org and GB are going down. But some semblance of the org may be recovered, the GB will never rise again and will be exposed as the UN worshipers they are as the leaders of this modern apostasy signal as Daniel 11:32a.

It is not “the end” (2Thess2:1-2) but of the JW apostate “a system of things” of modern JW weed farming GB (Matt13) and their main field of infiltrations: Jehovah’s witnesses. It is the temple judgment of Jehovah’s witnesses. (Dan8:13-14; Rev8:3-5; Zech3:1-5; Mal3:1-5; 1Pet4:17)

The GB is non-biblical, from Babel, and about to be fried from “in the temple” by God. (Isa66:6; Matt22:1-14)
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[QUOTE who=”Tony Price 77″]

Hmmm. That very much implies that you have seen one and that you know what you are talking about. Please elaborate.

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1/2

Not really. The “image” of God is far older than humans. Angels share the “image” of God. They have interacted on this planet millions of years before humans. By the manner in which Christ allowed the demons to enter swine, to the holy angels the entire life system is open to their beign “passengers”.

If you are producing the “Eagle” design, in spite fo all the perfect design in the model itself, you really need to “fly it” to see how it performs. You don’t need to fly them all, but all species of this earth have been “tried out” by angels.

There is a center of will in the brain not just in humans. An angel can take over your “will” of God allows it, they are just taking over a mere portion of your brain that allows the control of the rest. Demons attempt this illegally either by invite in (perfect possession), or involuntary “possession”.

So where did that human design come from? It was just made flesh for the human world, its counterpart is among the angels who get it from God the Father.

Angels are engineers, musicians, perfect mathematicians, acrobats, dancers, writers, capable of super-human physical feats with perfect execution, they can play a piano or a violin or a guitar like nobody’s business, and on and on and on and on and on and on.

Why is this so?

They have been in God’s image in perfection itself, they have acces to the perfect “default settings”, and for a much longer time than humans.

If an angel ever comes in in the flesh, no imperfect human can out perform them, they are all like virtuosos compared to humans, and in all areas of human talents. They vary among themselves, but compared to a human they can out perform, because they have an advantage and access to greater “power”with total understanding of how and why it “works”. If an angel come in spirit energy form, of course even the “speed of light” is no limit, matter is like mist, physics does not apply as a limitation, all other physical beings are completely accessible in mind, being and spirit. (This is why the demons are in eternal BONDS, they are held back from the full capability in this world)

Yet God Almighty is more, much more. They are based on his “image”, through the main “image” in his only-begotten Son gateway into that being at angel “birth”, “creation”.

2/2

The main thing new about man, is being in the physical as far as humans understand it, like an angel in many ways, but clothed in clay. The “physical” is just an arrangement of energies. Thus angels also have complete power of molecular architecture and DNA architecture and can take on a physical form, whose analog is from the spirit sons of God in the first place. They have been walking, swimming, and flying around this place a heck of a lot longer than humans.

This is why angels can appreciate the beauty in things, such as an attractive woman. It does not mean they all have to sleep with them though, the demons breached a realm for unnatural purposes. (Gen6; Jude6) But the human design by God can be related to by angels. And there is a reason, it is the same base “image” of God.

God can play a piano. He invented the very “material world” context of all human “invention”. God can “try out” anythign in his creation he wants to, he has been “in” everythign he has created with a mind.

A pissed off tiger escapes his cage, runs past a number of people looking for one person in particular and 50 yards away at the snack bar hiding out he finds the guy who was shooting rocks at him with a wrist rocket. Tigers are an example of an animal mind humans barely understand. But the whole place is full of these things. The current human system of error will be invaded by God’s angels, they know who they are looking for, and it will be given back to God’s creation enforced by them, they know this place well. (Rom8:18-22)

(Romans 8:19) . . .the revealing of the sons of God.

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[QUOTE who=”Michaelangelo1914″]<quoted text>

Thanks for sharing that. But world religion doesn’t have great sway over the UN, not like the occult agencies linked to Freemasonry like the Federal Reserve, the CFR, IMF and the CIA.
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The harlot is NOT a driver with “great sway”, she is a drunken freeloading parasite. Nothing is Rev17 says she is “Driving” that beast, or has “great sway”.

Think a drunken woman is going to have “great sway” over a seven headed MONSTER of a beast like that?

Hell no!

That is not what the symbol is about, it is about a bloody golddigger who will do anything for a free ride and who hates the brothers of Christ and all worshipers of God. And that is what religions are in the corporate complex of CEO parasites on people and beast.

Your CIAs are in the “two horned wild beast”. See BTG’s little girl riding that beast”, No, they keep the parasites off of them, the main engineering predator of world government production.

Religions are doomed, many in the world of conspiracy research know religion’s coming doom is part of this wave of elite teaching messages. The “awakening” is first grade elite system studies in reality, so people can start to catch on early, from the periphery first, to the core last.

The elites are who produce the global “conspiracy theory” kindergarten class.

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[QUOTE who=”Michaelangelo1914″]<quoted text>

Very interesting. You know how Christ sends out ten slaves to do business with a drachma coin? In one version he sends out three slaves. Two do well. One does 10-fold and the other five-fold. But one becomes the sluggish slave and does not produce a profit.

Well the “two witnesses” are the first two slaves, the highest-producing slave groups sent out to make profit. They are killed along with their Christ in a symbolic broadway called “Sodom and Egypt.” The two witnesses elsewhere are killed by the beast out of the abyss. So the beast out of the abyss, which is the UN is connected to the symbolic place of “Sodom and Egypt.” Sodom and Egypt, therefore, represent the partnership betwen the WTS (Sodom) and the UN cult conglomeration focused on killing the messiah and the two witnesses.

The two witnesses are associated with the woman who has a place in the “wilderness” hidden from the face of the dragon. This means the two witnesses are underground secret societies of Christ that do not publicly practice their faith. To the WTS, these would be “apostate” anointed ones.

The death of the two witnesses has already occurred and thus their preaching for 42 months is also completed.
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The “two witnesses” are TWO witnessing phases:

(Revelation 10:11) . . .And they say to me: “You must prophesy AGAIN with regard to peoples and nations and tongues and many kings.”

That “prophesy again” is the SECOND witnessing phase to come from the JW org downfall timed in Daniel 8:13-14.

The FIRST witnessing phase was 1914-1918, and its effect proceeded after that to today’s JW UN NGO apostasy.

2 x 1260 days = 2520 days or “seven times” completion of the full warning in TWO witnessings, past, and future.

That si the secret of Revelation 11 and why the “time, times and half a time” is not a complete timed period to God. SEVEN TIMES is the completion in the future.

JWs understand the 2520 years of “seven times” but they have yet to have the 2520 days as also the “seven times” of Revelation 11 because they will be the camp the “second witnessing” will emerge from after Daniel 8:14 runs its full timed course.

Daniel 8:13-14 is the final temple judgment cycle coming up upon JWs and the marked by JW org destruction you can watch on CNN. It will keep JWs in the spotlight for when the “send witness” emerges.

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[QUOTE who=”FH Chandler”]<quoted text>

Nice, you’re a LR enthusiast too.
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LR, I copied a link from Google, may be seen him 4 times.

I use Alex Jones for about the most concise “conspiracy-free” analysis of the world government system progress, he is pretty basic but very complete in explaining the global takeover strategy in its main corporate, financial, political and martial/military sectors.

Plus he is pretty low key, not a “conspiracy nut” at all, he cites all the evidence and history one needs to make a big picture assessment. If one thinks AJ is a “conspiracy theorist” they have been sleeping for 15 years now.

Catherine Austin Fitts and Paul Craig Roberts are pretty sound in their research as well, upon these same themes, but Catherine is an expert in her field, so who KNOWS what she is talking about, she helped manage the system for a time. Celente is good, but too shallow and micro-focused, more of a comedian.

James Corbett is the genius professor among “conspiracy guys”, he is a guy of the intellectual caliber the CIA looks for. When you really want to know HOW something works in great detail and historical continuum, try James Corbett, every show is a class room experience.

Meet the Corporatocracy by James Corbett

If you give those 4 a couple months, you will know what is going on in the globalist progress to world government pretty well in basic form.

Catherine Austin Fitts: The Looting Of America

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[QUOTE who=”Michaelangelo1914″]<quoted text>

Per the WTS, the beast that comes out of the abyss is the United Nations. It first exists as the “League of Nations” then it disappears into the abyss and comes back as the United Nations. That’s how the WTS is interpreting it. I agree in this case.
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That is the “image” of the “wildbeast”, it is the nucleus of a full world government yet to come. The UN is just the “executive branch” of an eventual world government to include a financial and military branch as well.

So we need to take the UN NGO Bethel inherited “interpretation” a little further because they are stalled as per Daniel 8:12 and Daniel 11:32a. They silenced the fulfillment of UN 3 in 1990 to fulfill Daniel 11:31 and Daniel 8:23.

At the moment “international law” is a “law of consent”. But as WTO and TPP and EU and things like that start to extend the power to the matrix of trans-national corporate power that “law of consent” will soon become a law enforced by Global NATO and on down the pyramid of military super-power.

THAT is the entity that will fulfill the abyss ascension into world government of Revelation 11:7 parallel Revelation 17:8-12. At this time the “League of Nations” did not “ascend” from an abyss in 1919 because it was a new manifestation of that “image”. Thus the Bethel interpretation says it is the “wild beast” from the abyss” of the “sea”, but it is really the wildbeast from the abyss of Revelation 17:8-11 IN THE FUTURE.

The first witness of 1914-1918 is valid, the interpretation of Revelation 8-11 is accurate, BUT ONLY for the first cycle of Revelation, for there MUST be two cycles of Revelation, one per each of the “TWO witnesses” warning ministry, past and future. We can project the final cycle fulfillment of Revelation’s “second witness” from the first cycle of 1914-1919, it is the same pattern: world war resolves into world government amidst a final warning ministry.

But this time the “seven trumpets” are 1-7 in order, it is an outline from temple judgment of Rev8, to recovery of Rev9, to final warning commission of Rev10 to the “second witness” of Rev11:1-7. But this time rather than be trumpets 7-1 as in the current JW interpretation, it is 1-7 in order. And all of that mostly amidst the final world war “sword stroke” running its course to “heal” (Isa41:1) into this complete “scarlet wildbeast” WORLD GOVERNMENT entity.

JWs just laid out the primary pattern. In the future it repeats, all warmed up by the “first witness” of 1914-1919, whose “3.5 days” “death” state extended into 1919.

This time, the 3.5 days “death” state of the ministry cancelled as the “remove the constant feature” of Daniel 12:11 parallel, is the final symbolic timed period to lead to the full blown Christ arrival (Rev11:11-12 parallel) AFTER the 1260 days final warning completes (Rev10:7-10). It is symbolic, in 19818-1919 it was like 9 months.

JWs are judged first as timed Daniel 8:13-14 temple judgment so you can prove this to yourself amidst the JW org downfall for the UN NGO wildbeast “disgusting thing” related “transgression causing dsolation” of Daniel 8:13. The desolation is upon the JW org and ministry.

In time that must also be the location of the recovery “morning” of Daniel 8:14,26. Jehovah’s witnesses MUST become the center of the “second witness” final warning when all this recap will be added to their now spiritually defunct and UN NGO laced apostate signal ministry, to be cleansed to the Daniel 8:14 “right condition” of Zechariah 3:4-5 parallel PRIOR to the final warning of the future “second witness” to complete that 2 x 1260 days = 2520 days “seven times” of modern divine final warning which began in 1914-1918.
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[QUOTE who=”Michaelangelo1914″]<quoted text>

Note where the vision of the harlot is…. in the WILDERNESS.

Rev 17:
“3 And he carried me away in the power of the spirit into a WILDERNESS. And I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet-colored wild beast that was full of blasphemous names and that had seven heads and ten horns. 4 The woman was clothed in purple+ and scarlet, and she was adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls,+ and she had in her hand a golden cup that was full of disgusting things and the unclean things of her sexual immorality.”

A vision in the wilderness means secret societies. Just as a large amount of God’s anointed ones represented by the woman who flees from Satan is said to have a place given to her in the “wilderness” “away from the face of the dragon.”

So Babylon the Great is linked to secret socities, like “Skull and Bones” and Freemasons and the Illuminati.

In Daniel, the 4th beast is destroyed by fire just like Babylon the Great is. So Babylon the Great is the 4th beast, unlike the other three. But this beast has a “little horn” full of eyes that is very influential. The eyes represent intelligence and surveillance, thus a master spy organization that is very effective in manipulating the world and thus is a reference to the CIA. Of course, the CIA is linked to the Mysteries and ancient occult pagan societies because it was created by “Skull and Bones.”

So that possibly could be an argument against thinking BTG represents public organized religion since organized religions are in the open and not hidden in the “wilderness.”

Just a thought.

Just sharing my own thoughts and interpretations as you are. [/QUOTE]

Well the other argument is that the entities you mention are who engineer world government. They are not coming to desolate themselves. Secret societies form the Satanist “one world religion” priesthoods of world government. In the process the spiritual sovereignty of Revelation 17:18 is deposed with the nation-state sovereignty of Rev17:11-13,16)

Now they can rename Federal Reserve and CIA and what not, and make them look like they went down, but the same elite power system is behind their revival, just like they will do to the UN when it goes down into “abyss” in the future to be revived for the full world government entity final presentation to the world as per Rev13:3, and Rev17:8-11.

In the meantime the entities you describe as being BTG, are the most powerful groups of planet Earth who make the “image” and promote world government globalization to completion,only God and Christ can destroy them.

BTG is what JWs say it is. They just have it’s priority of destruction as being “next to occur brothers!!!!” WRONG. JW org is what goes down first to start the great tribulation. BTG “gois down next all you misled brothers” is a SMOKESCREEN so the enemy NOW INSIDE of Bethel (Dan11:32a) can crash the JW org with an exit strategy. This will toss JWs into a global HOAX of a fake “the end” “armageddon” expectation to paralyze JW progerss. (2Thess2:1-2)

You can see this required JW org takedown on CNN in the future, so you will know this is not a made up statement this is Daniel 8:13-14 “trampling” of JW org that also must fulfill first as Rev8:3-5 parallel of the temple judgment of Jehovah’s witnesses.

[QUOTE who=”I_know_better_now “]<quoted text>

Which no one is willing to admit exists. Whatever happened to the orgs honesty? You see Jesus said we should use discernment when we see the disgusting thing causing desolation and when it stands in a holy place. It seems the Org is conveniently ignoring that verse. I am not.

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Daniel 11:32a states KING NORTH will lead those acting wickedly aganst the holy covenant into apostasy. Now we know King North is represented in that 3rd UN event of 1990 which is the prophecy of Daniel 11:31b, because every UN global event is in prophecy, ALL OF THEM.

Thus King North and the disgusting thing” are explicitly related. So if KN leads an apostasy based on Daniel 11:30b “those leaving the holy covenant” and has “arms that stand up” in Daniel 11:31a to “profane the sanctuary and the constant feature” which visible profanations you yourself have seen, then King North activity is what is misleading JWs into apostasy from INSIDE “the sanctuary” “fortress” also mentioned in that verse.

And who is the JW leader? The 1944-1976 Governign Body progressive dictatorship is who. THEY are from King North, as good as his reps as UN NGO “in the temple”. (2Thess2:1-4)

Thus though the UN NGO is the main “disgusting thing” JWs have stood up in the holy place where it ought not be, the GB is also a disgusting thing related cabal also standing and “sitting down in the temple” “lifting themselves over everyone” “IN the temple of the God”.

The question is how much clearer does it need to get? How much clearer is it that the UN NGO is the “disgusting thing that causes desolation” related “transgression causing desolation” of Daniel 8:13? These are the only things left to now update the JW minsirty with, of course King North GB among JWs wil NOT divulge these details.

The desolation will now come on JW org as the final evidence that is exactly what we are looking at in prophecy. Daniel 8:13-14 will soon unfold on the JW org. The GB and the UN NGO are BOTH “standing where it ought not”. The GB and KN are related and related in purpose: derail then destroy the JW org and cancel the JW ministry by changing the “good news” message to the bad news of “har hitting judgment message” which is ILLEGAL. (WT7/15/15)

HUGE desolation events are now coming on JW or, obviously JWs have ignored all the other signs of the “man of lawlessness” disgusting thing priests lifted up in the temple as the sole “faithful and discreet slave” in total in the face blasphemy right in JWs faces.

Everyone can watch JW org be desolated for UN NGO right on “KN Tube TV” CNN, globally.

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[QUOTE who=”Anonymous Brother”]<quoted text>That would be you: You have turned them into demons.
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While worshiping the creation of men.
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The neo-Platonic trinities, such as that of the One, the Nous and the Soul, are not considered a trinity necessarily of consubstantial equals as in mainstream Christianity. However, the neo-Platonic trinity has the doctrine of emanation, or “eternal derivation”, a timeless procedure of generation having as a source the One and claimed to be paralleled with the generation of the light from the Sun. This was adopted by Origen and later on by Athanasius, and applied to the generation of the Son from the Father, because they believed that this analogy could be used to support the notion that the Father, as immutable, always had been a Father, and that the generation of the Son is therefore eternal and timeless.[116]
The synthesis of Christianity with Platonic philosophy was further incorporated in the trinitarian formulas that appeared by the end of the 3rd century. “The Greek philosophical theology” was “developed during the Trinitarian controversies over the relationships among the persons of the Godhead.”[117] Some assert that this incorporation was well known during the 3rd century, because the allegation of borrowing was raised by some disputants when the Nicene doctrine was being formalized and adopted by the bishops. For example, in the 4th century, Marcellus of Ancyra, who taught the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit were one person (hypostasis), said in his On the Holy Church, 9:
Now with the heresy of the Ariomaniacs, which has corrupted the Church of God…These then teach three hypostases, just as Valentinus the heresiarch first invented in the book entitled by him ‘On the Three Natures’. For he was the first to invent three hypostases and three persons of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and he is discovered to have filched this from Hermes and Plato.”[118][/QUOTE]

Interesting fact. If one goes to a hard copy library and checks the Dewey system for the writings and commentaries on neo platonic trinities and Plato’s stuff, if you keep walking down the aisle it blends right into to Christendom’s trinity theories books. They literally are related in subject matter right on the physical bookshelves themselves.

This is because the Christendom trinity is just the Plato trinity ideas retro-fitted into the Bible’s text by the “artful” “contrivance” of humans over the years as displayed on those bookshelves gradient of the same error.

Without Plato there would be no “Trinity” as we know it. Yet Plato and things like the Chaldean Oracles where also used to construct effective demonic incanatantions in hexameter verse for the stylish oracles and wizards of the day, and today as well, the ones at the churches who invoke the demon of the Trinity everytime he is mentioned and people bow down to worship the Devil right at church.

It is all the same person. I think we can gather who he is, and he ain’t God, but the resister and slanderer of the ONE God Almighty.

But there will be consequences for such activity under guise of God’s name and Christ’s.

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[QUOTE who=”pcloadletter”]<quoted text> Globalism? I AM a conspiritard from way back, you know. I have to admit I’m drawing a blank right now and can’t remember all the stuff I “know” about it- when challenged like this. Maybe out of fear that what I “know” won’t match what you know and you’ll take it as an attack, when I really appreciate a lot of the defending you do of things we agree about.
I’m not so invested in a theory, that I even know what those Daniel 11 things say, or the implications of what you’re claiming about them and therefore can’t say you’re wrong. I definitely wouldn’t doubt that there is a “they” who are planning, planning, planning all sorts of things, but don’t think “they” will necessarily succeed. I feel loyalty to you and wish I could make it up to you all the bad treatment you’ve had at anyone else’ hands, but I don’t think it’s loyal to support your ideas if I think they are wrong and damaging to you. I harbor no illusions about you thinking well of me. It’s not necessary to me that you do. I only wish you wouldn’t damage yourself by thinking of me as one more fake, selfish person, but who knows? Maybe you’d be right to think that or know more about it than I do, but I doubt it.

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I’ll get more into this later.

Then you realize GLOBALISM is the basis of coming world government? No single nation, such as Russia, will rule the world. The nation-state system is not designed for global rulership, it is designed to be pawned as the national governance shell.

And thus NORTH is globalism, SOUTH is the nation-state system now being setup for the capture of Daniel 11:42-43. The USSR never was “King North” for one second. That should now be pretty easy for all to see by now. Both north and south are simplified, yet global, in scope.

And yes, they will be successful all the way to world government “one hour” of Rev17:11-12.

(Daniel 11:36) . . .And he will certainly prove successful until [the] denunciation will have come to a finish. . .

Globalist King North/8th King success is part of the prophecy REQUIREMENT. True Christ destroys them, but only AFTER the achieve world government for a very short period of time, hence “one hour”; the shortest rival system reign of all time.

Then the denunciation shall come to a finish: Har-Magedon.

More later….

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I think everyone can see the trick with the TWO witnesses and the formula of the 1260 days.

(Revelation 11:3) . . .And I will cause my two witnesses to prophesy a thousand two hundred and sixty days dressed in sackcloth.. . .

Now when most people consider the “time, times and half a time”, 1260 days, 42 months parallels (Dan7:25; Dan12:7; Rev11:2-3; Rev12:6,14; Rev13:5) they think that is the end of the story.

But since when is God a hanging chad .5, 3.5 time incomplete number being? Three and a half times is an incomplete number a fraction.

But lo and behold JWs have been harping on the “SEVEN times” so now everyone has some recognition of this COMPLETE 7 number as 2520 years. Thus when we double the 1260 days, we get 2520 days, we get “seven times” in that count and the number completes and we have TWO witnessings logic to defend this tricky formula.

Plus we are familiar how some prophetic patterns repeat, and how God often repeats a message and repeating a final warning and open salvation message is logical. And doing so upon JW unique prophecy rules logic, patterns and principles just adds to the greater comprehension for when this final warning REPEATS in the future, just as it is already hinted at Revelation 10:11:

(Revelation 10:11) . . .And they say to me: “You must prophesy AGAIN with regard to peoples and nations and tongues and many kings.”

Thus, if we take 1914-1918’s 1260 days, and see JWs are in a UN-connected apostasy requiring a purification to lead to another 1260 day warning after that ministry is in the Daniel 8:14 RIGHT condition, we can DOUBLE the witnessings, AGAIN, and thus it is 1260 days X 2witnesses, past and future.

And because JWs have provided us with the luxury of hindsight upon these sovereign prophecy principles and patterns and “little scroll” import in an accurate outline of the Revelation “seven trumpets” main theme and plot in the “first witness”, we can project that “hindsight” forward this time to know the prophecy pattern BEFORE it unfolds this last time for the “second witness”.

Of course, this time it must be known BEFORE it happens. If God waited until after world government completed and triggered the Christ arrival, rather than warn of it beforehand, it would be?

TOO LATE.

But the pattern and global cycle (Rev13:3; Rev17:8-11) is the same:

1. 1914-1919: WW1 resolves to League of Nations (world government placeholder)

2. Future: Final world war resolves into WORLD GOVERNMENT.

World Government laying grubby mits on Earth and seating their wanting arse on the Throne of the Christ in globally proclaimed final form (1Thess5:1-3) is, OF COURSE, going to get a LION in their face, the boot of Christ shall then meet the rival head.

And by that time all can clearly see world government’s final progression to completion and can derive from the global indications that yes, it will trigger the Christ of God for open sheep salvation sweep in global manner (Rev14:6-8) and then open warfare upon the world government complex like they ain’t ever seen or imagined. We are talking easily like 100 million billion angels descending in fury to erase and melt the human computer systems, rendering the enemy impotent in but a second, and isolating them for conquest and absolute termination.

Plus God and Christ “drop in”.

Enter the Kingdom of Christ 1000 Year reign.

Very simple:

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World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3), triggers Christ’s arrival.
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8th King World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3; Dan12:11), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

Because Bethel will not divulge that SIMPLE SUMMARY, they are removed first in the process. Bethel is removed first, because Christendom goes down under world government (Rev17:15-18), their global scale is too enormous to be concentrated on at this time.
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[QUOTE who=”Michaelangelo1992″]<quoted text>

Yes, beyond surreal. David Lynch or Quentin Tarantino directing for sure! haha.

But miracles, by their nature, are always hard to believe unless you’re an eye witness. [/QUOTE]

People are very lost. Even eye witnesses can end up being faithless doubting miscreants. Just ask Moses. Some Jews saw all that with their own eyes, yet still lacked faith to the point God had to erase some of them tey were so offensive to him.

Same with the final warning. Eventually, all living humans must be sent into the the osmotic filter of God. Not all make it, but many will.

The basic Bible message is comprehendible. Eventually, this must become a real global situation, and we are at the final clear cycle that will lead there and as it does all the prerequisite indications of the Christ arrival shall be met.

Even now, prior to the temple inspection arrival, JWs are in a UN-connected apostasy indication. Now what God lays a 1914 foundation of the temple using human workers, and does not inspect the construction progress?

Thus JWs are in for final inspection. It is no surprise when Christ shows up to fire some temple workers and promote others (Matt25:1-13), he will find an active UN NGO debacle and JWs who are clearly in a state of wrong attitudes (Dan8:13-14) with a GB cabal misleading them all.

Everything is already indicative of Christ’s final “temple visit” which must occur first to prepare a proper final warning BEFORE the 1260 days begins, hence the significant timing of Daniel 8:13-14.

Spo when JW org starts going down and the global crash we see brewing breaks out, even world war, DO NOT BELIEVE it si th 1260 days some hypers out there like Robert King will then be pumping like crazy. It too will be premature. JWs are just the most premature false prophecy to fail first.

IT IS NOT “THE END”.

It is the BEGINNING (1Pet4:17) of the final global cycle and the start of the seven trumpets Revelation final fulfillment cycle.

The final warning has to emerge from the desolated JW camp. And I mean JEhovah’s witnesses who can repent and be approved. There is no guarantee JW org will make it. But ti might, but they too will have to repent. This may be why Daniel 8:14 can be 1150 days, 2300 days or even 4600 days. We do not know how long it will take now brain-dead GB-fed JWs to wake up, accept the reality of the situation and repent and get ready for final mission. (Rev10:5-11)

We know not all will, but enough will.

You can watch JW org go down on CNN, and you can test the Daniel 3.19 year minimum requirement of desolations yourself on JWs for UN NGO “transgression causing desolation” of Daniel 8:13.

Jot it down, it has to unfold first. Being timed allows it to be verified to the biggest doubters of all: Jehovah’s witnesses now in Daniel 11:32-35 apostasy as misled by the illegal apostate and impostor GB.

It ain’t gonna be pretty. But it is required to bring about the “right condition” of anointed Christains even now scattered and searching, but it is going to get worse when the JW org is “trampled”.

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[QUOTE who=”pcloadletter”]<quoted text> Globalism? I AM a conspiritard from way back…

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It took me in start of 2011, >>>>14<<<< months to finally move from denial to admit the GB has devolved into error. And I mean at that time I thought they only needed to be adjusted to meet the updates of our times. I thought they were merely lazy, as happens to rich men at times. I thought they were Biblical.

In time, that too did not work, it was something more than just being lazy. The rock was still in my mental shoe, SOMETHING was off.

How did I know?

Well, one way is by seeing the world itself was catching on to everything globalism related, and I mean in great detail, you know all the Fed and elites and history and secret societies and financial system stuff, even world government talk.

I said to myself, how then can Bethel be so blind and silent on all this? Why is Awake! so darn dated and Asleep!? Why is Awake and WT journals of coma?

In time I realized there is ONLY one answer.

This is not lazy, this is not random corruption, this is not “an oversight”, THIS IS ON PURPOSE. (Dan11:32a)

The ONLY way someone can be as backward in globalism awareness as the GB acts like it is, is they MUST be IN ON IT! There is no one simply this stupid on Earth in CEO capacity and supposed full time expert Bible study.

How do we know?

Because these globalism details and globalist global expansion of power (Dan11:40) fulfills many prophecy principles we already know well. Thus, when we see “occupy wall street”, or 911, or GWOT, or 2008 global credit crisis, we are seeing advancement in prophecy principles and active prophecy intensifying and we should be saying something.

Bethel said virtually NOTHING about these things. All they said was “don’t protest”.

That the GB makes not a single peep about World Government, unless they just want to ask a generic question the globalist system will answer (like that deceptive “do we need world government” tract), is a clue they MUST be “in on it”, this kind of silence has to be “on purpose”.

The UN NGO seals who and what they erally are. Put it all together we have an impostor led apostasy in action in JWs that even has a UN connection now.

But for me, the clincher from God was, that by the time I was really realizing the GB are not what they claim to be, and are from the enemy system in active partnership with the same goal as per Daniel 11:32a, they did something that clinched it all. It literally made my hair stand up.

They “lifted themselves over everyone” with that “we alone are the faithful and discreet slave” debacle of blasphemy, which leaked on-line in the end of 2012. THEN I KNEW FOR SURE!

THEN I knew they are indeed our final “man of lawlessness” manifestation. From there everything else started to open up like a summer morning turning to noon on the Arizona desert. It took me almost TWO YEARS to get past the GB veneer of deception, BUT GETTIGN PAST IT FIRST, LED TO EVERYTHING ELSE BEING REVEALED LATER.

The GB myth was my main obstacle to progress. (Along with their deceptive claims)

And it is the main JW obstacle as well.

Thus in time, God shall remove them, and expose them, because that is the only way some JWs can catch on. And it is timed in Daniel 8:13-14 for future proof of what ti is: the final temple judgment cycle.

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[QUOTE who=”pcloadletter”]<quoted text> Globalism? I AM a conspiritard from way back…

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It Takes A While

It took me in start of 2011, >>>>14<<<< months to finally move from denial to admit the GB has devolved into error. And I mean at that time I thought they only needed to be adjusted to meet the updates of our times. I thought they were merely lazy, as happens to rich men at times. I thought they were Biblical.

In time, that too did not work, it was something more than just being lazy. The rock was still in my mental shoe, SOMETHING was off.

How did I know?

Well, one way is by seeing the world itself was catching on to everything globalism related, and I mean in great detail, you know all the Fed and elites and history and secret societies and financial system stuff, even world government talk.

I said to myself, how then can Bethel be so blind and silent on all this? Why is Awake! so darn dated and Asleep!? Why is Awake and WT journals of coma?

In time I realized there is ONLY one answer.

This is not lazy, this is not random corruption, this is not “an oversight”, THIS IS ON PURPOSE. (Dan11:32a)

The ONLY way someone can be as backward in globalism awareness as the GB acts like it is, is they MUST be IN ON IT! There is no one simply this stupid on Earth in CEO capacity and supposed full time expert Bible study.

How do we know?

Because these globalism details and globalist global expansion of power (Dan11:40) fulfills many prophecy principles we already know well. Thus, when we see “occupy wall street”, or 911, or GWOT, or 2008 global credit crisis, we are seeing advancement in prophecy principles and active prophecy intensifying and we should be saying something.

Bethel said virtually NOTHING about these things. All they said was “don’t protest”.

That the GB makes not a single peep about World Government, unless they just want to ask a generic question the globalist system will answer (like that deceptive “do we need world government” tract), is a clue they MUST be “in on it”, this kind of silence has to be “on purpose”.

The UN NGO seals who and what they erally are. Put it all together we have an impostor led apostasy in action in JWs that even has a UN connection now.

But for me, the clincher from God was, that by the time I was really realizing the GB are not what they claim to be, and are from the enemy system in active partnership with the same goal as per Daniel 11:32a, they did something that clinched it all. It literally made my hair stand up.

They “lifted themselves over everyone” with that “we alone are the faithful and discreet slave” debacle of blasphemy, which leaked on-line in the end of 2012. THEN I KNEW FOR SURE!

THEN I knew they are indeed our final “man of lawlessness” manifestation. From there everything else started to open up like a summer morning turning to noon on the Arizona desert. It took me almost TWO YEARS to get past the GB veneer of deception, BUT GETTING PAST IT FIRST, LED TO EVERYTHING ELSE BEING REVEALED LATER. Of course, seeing it is prophecy at Daniel 11:32-35 and Daniel 8:11-12, and the 1990 3rd UN is also being covered up as Daniel 11:31 and Daniel 8:23, sent me off into this with greater determination than ever in 2013.

One thing started to lead to the other in prophecy.

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GB is Main Obstacle

The GB myth was my main obstacle to progress. (Along with their deceptive claims and guilt trips)

And it is the main JW obstacle as well.

Thus in time, God shall remove them (Isa66:6), and expose them (2Thess2:1-4), because that is the only way some JWs can catch on. Some JWs are NOT going to get past the GB decoy, and the GB will continue to stall them with silence and filler distractions.

And it is timed in Daniel 8:13-14 for future proof of what it is: the final temple judgment cycle.

This final signal apostasy prophecy is in connection with King North/8th King final progress since 1990 prophecy, so when it activates in temple judgment, the rest of the prophecy will continue to unfold. Of course, a “trampled” JW org will get JW attention, and from there the GB obstacle will be removed, and JWs can then join reality in the same manner I did, in 2012. They just catch on as it is happening, not before.

But recovery for final warning is the divine purpose of this judgment amidst great global attention on JWs, so spotlight the final warning when it does come forth.

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[QUOTE who=”Newtonian”]<quoted text>

Bethel judgment – So this is how you react when someone encourages us to consider John 3:16?

Remember, when you point a finger, 4 are pointing back to you!

Jehovah’s Witnesses do not swear or curse as you did in that post.

I know you know better!

Oh, and btw, there was zero apostasy at our convention – just a wonderful spiritual feast!

Perhaps you could inform us whom you consider ignorant or worse – what on our websites do you consider apostate?

There are probably over 1 million words on our websites, perhaps even a billion words! – can you find any that are in error?

There have to be some errors – we are all human – can you post a link to an error on our websites?

Or, better yet, on thread theme – an error at our convention???[/QUOTE]

I promote Fred Franz era truth which God allowed him to harmonize like a hawk on a gopher for 70 years. I know how to ID GB errors of post 1990 King North cover up, UN NGO, 3rd UN cover up 1990, from our foundational truth.

I KNOW JWS ARE IN A FORETOLD APOSTASY FOR EXAMPLE. Can you find THAT on the jworg website? No.

The error of modern JWs is what we call a “sin of omission”, you can’t find it on their website, and that is the problem. OMISSION OF ALL POST 1990 UN AND GLOBALISM EXPANSION PROGRESS AND ACTIVITY PROPHECY AND INFORMATION!

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Hell is Hades, not a curse. We do not want to maintain a weak little JW conscience which is only aiding being shepherded by UN NGO GB apostates by use fo guilt, so drop the guilt trip I know how JWs use it because I know how it is used on them. HELL is a word.

JWs are what we call “righteous overmuch”.

1. Oh, if only JWs were so righteous about a FILTHY UN NGO STANDING IN THE TEMPLE!

2. IF ONLY JWS WERE RIGHTEOUS ABOUT FILTHY GB GREEDY CEOS RUINING THE MINSIRTY!

3. IF ONLY JWS WERE RIGHTEOUS ABOUT REPORTING AND REMOVING PEDOPHILES!

4. IF ONLY JWS WERE RIGHTEOUS TO THE PHALLUSES IN THEIR LITERATURE!

IF ONLY.

But no, JW righteousness is all for show, just like the Pharisees of old, all mock love.

‘Remain Loyal!’ theme of Jehovah’s Witnesses conference, yeah right, UN NGO too late.

JWs have been disloyal to God by serving a GB and a UN NGO as one whole interrelated “disgusting thing” and JWs are too “righteous overmuch” to even consider the sin of our house. (Matt24:15)

Time for temple judgment, and judging from JW arrogant attitudes it is now the only way. When words do not work, then God must use strokes. (Dan8:13-14)

If strokes don’t work, then the weed bundle is the only option.

JWs are in HEAVY GB led sins. (Dan11:32a) HEAVY DUTY TRANSGRESSION WITH THE WILDBEAST!

Get righteous overmuch over that!!!!

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[QUOTE who=”Newtonian”]Bethel judgment – Is there some logical reason you can’t post on thread theme?

Should I indulge you on these endless tangents from thread theme?

Perhaps not – but I will anyway – you posted:

8th King World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3; Dan12:11), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.
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Because Bethel will not divulge that SIMPLE SUMMARY,….

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And then you go on to ignore Jesus’ warning about judging others (Matthew 7:1,2) – so be it.

Of course, the UN as the 8th king is complete – however, our literature is not silent on how functional the UN will become – do you know what our literature teaches as to the scarlet colored image of the wild beast which is the 8th king?

You do know I have a separate thread on the 8th king – why not discuss this in depth there – what does this have to do with our convention?

So who is the harlot that the UN will destroy?

And why do you leave the impression our literature does not divulge the details about this prophecy in Revelation 17:8-18?[/QUOTE]

There is no where to go with a “loyalty to Jehovah” thread, that was my point. Not AMONG a modern JW leadership in bed with the UN, silent on modern prophecy and globalism’s role in it, and in many true criminal activities “in the temple”.

We either discuss “Remain DISLoyal to Jehovah”, or this thread is ded, the WHOLE world sees JWs in gross GB led sins worldwide. LOOK AROUND!

Now who does that sound like? Perhaps a “man of lawlessness”? And JWs are following them as per Daniel 11:32a. But JWs believe the GB more than they do God’s prophecy which is plain as day in Daniel 11:30-45.

NO WAY IN HADES DID THE USSR FULFILL KING NORTH! NOOOOOO WAYYYYYY!!!! OK?

So why are the supposed Bible experts at Bethel not addressing easy to see error? WHY ARE THEY DISLOYAL TO JEHOVAH?

PLEASE ANSWER on why YOU think they are disloyal. If not, how are they loyal to the whole truth?

Was Jeremiah judging the Jews when he warned them of God’s judgment?

Does not judging mean turning a blind eye to blatant and brazen sins in the JW leadership?

Does Gabriel have to appear to you asking these same questions for you to see the big sin problem among JWs NOW?

Gabriel has spoken, to Daniel, is all in Daniel 8:11-14, 26.

Listen to Gabriel, for he delivered God words. And guess what? It was SO BIG Daniel was “made sick for days” due to this vision now coming upon Jehovah’s witnesses. (Dan8:26-27)

IT IS GOING TO BE SO BIG, DANIEL BEING WIPED OUT IS NOTHING COMPARED TO WHAT IS COMING FOR US JWS. I INCLUDE MYSELF IN THE MODERN SISN OF JWS, the GB ensures we all get communal temple guilt due to their negligent lead.

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@ Star’s comments; I agree with much of what you’re saying, although I disagree with seemingly painting all Muslims (or any other sect) with a broad brush simply because of a few bad seeds. A black guy in a black BMW tried accosting me a week or 2 ago when I was walking home from the coffee shop. Does that mean all black men are pervs? Or how about all those white guys that shoot up schools? Are all white guys waiting to unleash a hailstorm of bullets in centers of indoctrination?
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I described the religious CORPORATE complex as the culprit. The common man is the target, how they react is up to them.

Religions do not design themselves, men do, the men who are in the profit center of the religion are the ones who prescribe the techniques and teachings to keep them rolling in the doe.

So I do not “broad brush” anyone, in general terms all of Islam and Christendom’ corporate complex are black and red ant hills that overall, will hate and kill each other when in the proper circumstances of desperation. History is full of the wicked deeds of these two corporate religious complexes.

Mix the two and you shall get bloodshed is what it boils down to, but it is part of a further reaching world government formula to highlight the destruction of Islam, amidst the cheers of corporate impelled “Christian and Jew Crusaders” who will then take that Islam extermination of its corporatocracy to highlight the global presentation of full blown world government, amidst the western cheering crowds.

Islam is being set up to become the final world war’s nuclear whipping boy for a “winner” effect upon the backers of world government. It is an orchestration with a purpose to play the puppets by engineered “reaction” chains.

The goal is everyone and his mother accepting world government like a global hero. In reality its engineers are also the engineers of the “Jihad Holy War” versus “Christian Crusade” social sector of this world war coming up,for this very effect: wipe out Islam, so Christendom and Israel appear as the hero saviors.

They plan to exterminate the entire global religious corporate complex including Christendom and Judaism, they just begin with Islam for obvious reasons to aid this “hero” plot shakeout.

The period under full blown world government will be 100 times more powerful and dangerous than the world war phase that leads to that outcome. It’s “world peace” is based on a global weapons tech monopoly. Hence, why it is so dangerous under world government.

Islam goes down when the Middle East goes under 100% NATO control, some time in the coming world war cycle. Islam will be the target of nukes and exotic precision energy weapons assaults when their time comes.

For now, they aid the social destabilization process at global scale, they are just a temporary yet very handy tool of the globalists. Religious brainwash is their fuel.

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Timmy91 Wrote:
lol @ calling christianity mind control.

conspiracy sites are by definition a form of mind control

what you trying to prove or fool here?

In a way this can be true. The understandings of Illuminati in conspiracy sites is like an Elite Kindergarten for the masses. It comes in from the periphery, not the core.

But one cannot judge who is who, because it starts to expand once it is known.

But secret society information is released from the horse’s mouth at first. They require people catching on progressively, very slowly but surely, to acclimate to the reality of their world government period.

By the time world government arrives, this stuff will same as the way it always was. That is why as shown on VC, they target the youngest minds as they teach people symbols about what they are about.

If they did not do this, in ten years 15, plus minus, it would be too much to just drop on the people all at once. Plus, not everyone is repulsed, they get new elite thinking converts as well. The way to get this to the people in progerssive manner is from the periphery, not from CNN. They found and control this process through the peripheral “alternative media”. Since there are many truths and insights mixed in with the Kindergarten Class teachings, it is assimilated deeply and spreads as needed.

At the same time, you know, people are also waking up, they know something more is going on, some may consider joining the KINGDOM with 100 million billion angels of God behind it, some people will chose the Kingdom of God, because clearly the Kingdom of Satan is who is behind this Kindergarten Phase of their revealing now exploding globally.

In time those two will meet. Spoiler: Satan loses. Stick with the winner, one won’t be disappointed.

It is getting clear as day in this process we are heading for a global showdown between two “kingdoms” in conflict over Earth’s global rulership position.

It will proceed to that confrontation in full blown direct manner in time. These other guys won’t take no for an answer, they must be conquered by vastly superior force applied directly to every person in their camps until they are gone. And they will be. You can bet your life on it.
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I wonder if the dollar being the “world reserve currency” {- meaning the Fed printing up huge amounts of dollars is not as inflationary here as it would be if dollar weren’t in demand in countries around the world to pay for their oil imports, etc.- } – means more national debt for us- since “our currency is issued as debt”- reportedly?
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It is an enforced dependency model.

Understanding the Political Economy of Enforced. Dependency in the Globalized World.
http://www.feasta.org/documents/enforced_dependency/enforced-dependency.pdf

That is a really well reasoned thesis on the concept, btw.

The main trick for the Fed expansion into a enforced dependency model, was

1. engineering the conditions and objects of dependency.

2. Removing the gold production limitation ceiling on monetary expansion.

Number 2 is the basis of global monetary inflation (of the USD), that is when the dollar VOLUME expands way way beyond the amount of the thing it is supposedly based on. Gold used to be a constraint on USD monetary volume expansion, because there is only so much gold, and only so much gold produced yearly.

This is not to be confused with “price inflation” though it does affect it.

The trick was to remove the gold production limit on the USD expansion. And there you have?

SYMBOLIC ALCHEMY

There is no limit to the amount of paper dollars you can create, virtually none. But tangible symbolic wealth, that is currency, (not even really “money” by definition)

Money vs Currency – Hidden Secrets Of Money Ep 1 – Mike Maloney

is only about 3% of the global volume. Now that the limitless digital basis of “super-symbolic” “money” creation is just spreadsheet and database entered numbers there is no theoretical limit of USD expansion, but there is one when hyper-inflation is reached.

So in the 70s, when the decoupled gold and the USD they gave a free license to take USD dollar expansion to the hyper-inflation limit if they so desire. But this is a highly controlled process. They do not want to shoot their feet off, they want to maximize the use of the diminishing dollar and its decreasing value, while it implodes in a controlled manner. So we cannot know how fast or “slow burn” they will do this, but we know it is as controlled as a super-computer run monetary system can allow, that is totally controlled with the digital based markets.

Now the entire banking and investment digital global Telex super network and Intercontinental Exchange hub, and the very engine of digital dollar alchemy, can be fully “programmed” like virtual reality, to they can fully control the entire global monetary meltdown phase, so as to control its descent, and channel final wealth in gold and other hard assets. And all that as they wind-down the nation-state nearly 500 trillion dollar debt and unfunded liabilities REALITY.

Thus in the process they buy ought the nations with their own “money” and use debt default to “modify the global loan matrix” into there new “global financial system” “solution” in a very controlled and programmable manner, so as to avoid a true global dysfunctional catastrophe.

They only need to crash 10-20% of the system now, to drag the rest into their black hole of the financial authority sector of world government, as “international law” of consent transitions into NATO financial enforcement upon ALL the nations. (Rev13:15-18)

And there you have but one simple dimension of what ends up fully fulfilling Daniel 11:42-43, as the nation-state becomes LEGALLY owned and fully subservient to “north” system domination as the final forms of “enforced dependency” are the same as the ones that led to this predicament, but in shiny new form “this is the global solution” form.

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if you are not a prophet, how is it you pretend,,,,er,,,ah take it upon yourself to present things that only a prophet would know, as if God told you. I figure he must have, because you don’t seem to have the bible’s backing for your points, as if you studied it there. I figure anyone that wordy about things not in the bible, and so self assured, you must have a direct line.

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Why do you just presume God cannot do this to whoever is capable by his power to understand the final cycle prophecy? I do not make the claims you just made. I’ll let Daniel 8:14 prove itself in the near future.

As I said, Daniel 8:13-14 will prove itself on JWs in timed verifiable manner, and the rest of “trumpet” dominoes will fall from there to world government to Christ arrival to the end of this rival system fo things, over several final years and an eventual complete warning as JWs will also have to carry this same message, in time. (Dan8:14 timing leads to Rev11:3 1260 days finale warning)

Now if that never happens, then mock me.

But until it is tested give it a chance, and see for yourself if Daniel 8:13-14 does not come upon JWs like a storm, of which the first 3 years are the worst of the phase, but they will recover into a “right condition” in “the morning” phase of what is a required final temple inspection and judgment.

1. Now does it really take a “prophet” to see JWs are NOT in any “right condition”?

2. Does it take Columbo or Sherlock Holmes to recognize the GB is a criminal cabal?

3. Does one need to be Einstein to do this Dan8:14 to Rev11:3 math?

No.

JWs could have done it, but they think all’s good,m they listen to the GB more than they pay attention to prophecy any longer. Someone has had to do this sidgi, God uses humans to accomplish pronouncements of his dynamic will, and we are entering the phase where world government is going to take over the whole world over a world war cycle. (Rev13:3)

So you can bet your life, before Christ confronts them when they are finally complete, with billions of lives about to be saved or destroyed, you can BET YOUR OWN LIFE God will cause a FINAL WARNING and totally open salvation call for ANYONE (Rev11:3 to Rev14:6-8) to be saved before Christ goes into total conquest mode.

If this is human it will fail. If this is God it cannot be stopped. And you got years to determine IN THE FUTURE whether this is true or false.

So just allow another prophecy guess in this matter, if that is what one wants to call it. Everyone and his mother takes a stab at prophecy. But this one defends 1914-1918 and uses the first JW ministry cycle logic and prophecy rules to merely finish the post 1990 UN details en route to world government.

I expose the GB a criminal “man of lawlessness” and at the same time preserve what it is JWs do have correct, I did not toss the Baby with Bethel’s filthy bathwater. (Zech3:3)

Just be patient sidgi, and give it a chance. God is not going to speak from the sky, he uses typical losers to do his announcements as they even tried to call Jesus a loser, though he was no loser, just saying. God always has and for this era always will use imperfect humans to announce God’s next move.

The one to come out of JW mouths, in time, will be the one. God will complete his will with them losers called Jehovah’s witnesses. God likes to use the thing foolish, doubted and despised to bring powerful ones to shame, and down. God laughs at the real losers when he does this, for his people are not losers but the winner, it is just the way he rolls.

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if you are not a prophet, how is it you pretend,,,,er,,,ah take it upon yourself to present things that only a prophet would know, as if God told you. I figure he must have, because you don’t seem to have the bible’s backing for your points, as if you studied it there. I figure anyone that wordy about things not in the bible, and so self assured, you must have a direct line.

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Why do you just presume God cannot do this to whoever is capable by his power to understand the final cycle prophecy? I do not make the claims you just made. I’ll let Daniel 8:14 prove itself in the near future.

As I said, Daniel 8:13-14 will prove itself on JWs in timed verifiable manner, and the rest of “trumpet” dominoes will fall from there to world government to Christ arrival to the end of this rival system fo things, over several final years and an eventual complete warning as JWs will also have to carry this same message, in time. (Dan8:14 timing leads to Rev11:3 1260 days finale warning)

Now if that never happens, then mock me.

But until it is tested give it a chance, and see for yourself if Daniel 8:13-14 does not come upon JWs like a storm, of which the first 3 years are the worst of the phase, but they will recover into a “right condition” in “the morning” phase of what is a required final temple inspection and judgment.

1. Now does it really take a “prophet” to see JWs are NOT in any “right condition”?

2. Does it take Columbo or Sherlock Holmes to recognize the GB is a criminal cabal?

3. Does one need to be Einstein to do this Dan8:14 to Rev11:3 math?

No.

JWs could have done it, but they think all’s good,m they listen to the GB more than they pay attention to prophecy any longer. Someone has had to do this sidgi, God uses humans to accomplish pronouncements of his dynamic will, and we are entering the phase where world government is going to take over the whole world over a world war cycle. (Rev13:3)

So you can bet your life, before Christ confronts them when they are finally complete, with billions of lives about to be saved or destroyed, you can BET YOUR OWN LIFE God will cause a FINAL WARNING and totally open salvation call for ANYONE (Rev11:3 to Rev14:6-8) to be saved before Christ goes into total conquest mode.

If this is human it will fail. If this is God it cannot be stopped. And you got years to determine IN THE FUTURE whether this is true or false.

So just allow another prophecy guess in this matter, if that is what one wants to call it. Everyone and his mother takes a stab at prophecy. But this one defends 1914-1918 and uses the first JW ministry cycle logic and prophecy rules to merely finish the post 1990 UN details en route to world government.

I expose the GB a criminal “man of lawlessness” and at the same time preserve what it is JWs do have correct, I did not toss the Baby with Bethel’s filthy bathwater. (Zech3:3)

Just be patient sidgi, and give it a chance. God is not going to speak from the sky, he uses typical losers to do his announcements as they even tried to call Jesus a loser, though he was no loser, just saying. God always has and for this era always will use imperfect humans to announce God’s next move.

The one to come out of JW mouths, in time, will be the one. God will complete his will with them losers called Jehovah’s witnesses. God likes to use the thing foolish, doubted and despised to bring powerful ones to shame, and down. God laughs at the real losers when he does this, for his people are not losers but the winner, it is just the way he rolls.

Daniel 8:13-14 will explain itself, God through Daniel “a real prophet, btw” shall speak from millenniums in the past upon modern Jehovah’s witnesses. Daniel is who wrote and spoke that prophecy from God.

The point is, keep your eyes on JWs. Don’t get distracted by all the GB hoopla, they are going down hard.

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It’s not about interpreting anything. It’s about matching world events to scripture.

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EXACTLY!

They have JWs REGULARLY ignoring modern world events. Thus, what could be EASILY “matched” to easy prophecy detail, is missed instead on a regular basis.

The whole JW distraction is just as easy to explain in the same concept. JWs are NOT “matching world events to scripture”, not because it is not there to match, but because they are distracted by the GB “look over here” DECOY.

Get rid of the GB, and the problem will start to “solve itself” by God, for that temple judgment will have a JW centered mega-global-anti-JW-org-event to “match” to Daniel 8:13-14.

Then one dots leads to the rest.

And EVERYTHING Bethel has not been “matching to scripture”, will then be summarized and matched up as one whole, such as 3rd UN 1990 and its matching prophecy. (Dan8:23, Dan11:31b)

JW org downfall will be a highly “matchable” globally visible super event, in time. God starts the “matching” process on JWs, to keep the world focused for where the final warning will in time, emerge, from the same place it began. It is what it is and claimed tobe since 1914 in marked “matchable” form.

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[QUOTE who=”sidgi”]<quoted text>

I figure he must have, because you don’t seem to have the bible’s backing for your points, as if you studied it there. I figure anyone that wordy about things not in the bible, and so self assured, you must have a direct line.

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You figured wrong. It IS there, you just can’t see it. We can see the easy “matchable” patterns of world events to prophecy. But when it dovetails into sneaky deceptions like GB over JWs, it gets harder to match, because it is literally harder to see.

Sidgi, just because you don’t “see” it, does not mean it is not there.

My whole testimony is Bible backed matched events and details that can be derived for a known world government goal of the globalist rivals of Christ. JW apostasy is obviously even difficult for JWs to “see”.

I mapped the JW prophecy into modern times, for it has unfolded one step at a time, and it will continue to unfold one step at a time.

This time, we NEED to know the steps before they happen. If it came out “after it happened”, after world government manifests, then it would be?

TOO LATE

By using the JW first forecast, extended past the point of their stall into the future, we will know all this BEFORE it happens this time. It has to be that way to be an effective true final warning BEFORE world government triggers the Christ arrival.

This CANNOT be an “after the fact” thing. But the JW org downfall is to be explained after the fact, it just starts the process of the final cycle progress to world government. (Dan8:13-14)
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[QUOTE who=”Newtonian”]

So, Bethel judgment, you condemn us for our appealing to the UN as an NGO (non-governmental organization) when, in fact, we are a religion not a governmental organization.

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Not true. We are a FAITH not a “religion” for as Rutherford stated the truth, “religion is a snare and a racket”. JWs became a GB religion in time. Russell was about being “Bible Students” of the “FAITH of Jesus”. (Rev14:12)

And we are GOVERNMENTAL!!!!

Do you not believe God’s Kingdom is a government? And Jehovah’s witnesses represent that God’s Kingdom government?

And yes God’s Kingdom will remove secular government, so yes we are quite governmental, we have ambassadors substituting for Christ among anointed Christians, and earthly sheep emissaries empowered by Christ over this divine true “theocratic” hierarchy.

The apostles were the first members of the “body of the Christ” and anointed members of the “body of the Christ” are the authority in the temple, NOT a rival “governing body”.

The “body of the Christ” on earth today represent the Messianic Kingdom “government to be upon Christ’s shoulders”.

If you think Jehovah’s witnesses are supposedly “non-governmental” you have been severely misled by the “government body of Jehovah’s witnesses”.

Keep your eyes on the GB then, and see what God does to those “body of the Christ” usurping rogue rivals. Just you wait and see what God does to the filthy GB FAKES. (Isa66:6; Dan8:13-14)

The modern post-GB JW ministry has been hi-jacked from the anointed “body of the Christ” but only temporarily.

That is why JWs no longer speak these truths.

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Bethel believes it and goes along with it all. Even legitimizes fake events. Provides eyewitnesses testimony to fake events. That is a serious problem.

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Yes this is a SERIOUS problem it is Daniel 11:32a. King North intel and ops have gotten INSIDE the JW org through its “government body” just as the US and EU governments have been globalist infiltarted.

Thus the symptomology is the same. DECEPTION by advanced insight stratagems.

Daniel 8:25a:

“He will be a master of deception and will become arrogant”

All nations are deceptive, these globalists are MASTERS of deception, they can con a pro conman.
They are best in the world at the science of DECEPTION.

That si who is INSIDE the JW org, masters of deception with a JW target, because JW information, now disinformation, goes global in scope. So they need to subvert the JW org, to subvert JWs, to help subvert the public audience of JWs.

Not one peep on 911 from Bethel, for example. They all tow the same “party line” of the globalist strategies and world event cover-ups.

Because JWs used to have the furthest system and prophecy insight, JW backwardness and disinformation helps influence people to accept and believe the globalist deceptions.

Hence:

(Daniel 11:32) “And those who are acting wickedly against [the] covenant (at Bethel), [KING NORTH] (8th King/King North) will lead into apostasy by means of smooth words.

(The Bethel “smooth words” 8th King cover-up in the JW publications is part of the smoothly justified apostasy and disnformation complex now spread globally by JWs under this KN-GB leadership);

A serious problem for them in time will be they are screwing with Jehovah or Armies, and his armies are full of angels who can punch back in covert form when it is time to take the temple and “established place” (Dan8:11) back from these trespassers. (Isa66:6)

(Nahum 2:1) . . .One (KN+GB) that does a scattering has come up before your face. Let there be a safeguarding of the fortified place. (Dan11:31a “fortress”) Watch [the] way. Strengthen [the] hips. Reinforce power very much.

In time God will reclaim what is his. The ops in the JW org will flee in terror, some will be tossed into this furnace also known as the “Destroyer”.

(Isaiah 31:8-9) And the Assyrian must fall by the sword, not [that of] a man; and a sword (The Destroyer), not [that of] earthling man, will devour him. And he must flee because of the sword, and his own young men will come to be for forced labor itself. 9 And his own crag will pass away out of sheer fright, and because of the signal his princes must be terrified,” is the utterance of Jehovah, whose light is in Zion and whose furnace is in Jerusalem.

They get to meet the Destroyer when the Daniel 8:13-14,26 “evening” of temple desolation judgment becomes the “morning” of clean out and recovery. They will have to remove dead KN ops from the JW org, some of them will not make it out alive.

God will “encamp” to see to it they never “return” to try to do this again.

(Zechariah 9:8) . . .And I will encamp as an outpost for my house, so that there will be no one passing through and NO ONE returning; and there will no more pass through them a taskmaster, for now I have seen [it] with my eyes.

It just takes some big anti-JW-org events, and a little time, until these impostor guys are kicked out of the temple environment.

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Why is this stuff important to you? It has nothing to do with leading a Godly life. The world is going to end. There is absolutely nothing you can do, except grow closer to Jehovah. Those things you wrap yourself up in are totally unimportant where obedience, and love of God are concerned. Not only that, but your giving your support to the confusion that runs this world.
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Other people are involved. It is why Jesus even came to earth is the first place, to accomplish the whole mission. The world never ends, the system of things under Satan down through world government ends, and a world judgment takes place where as many people as possible must also be convinced or encouraged to ALSO “grow closer to Jehovah”.

And that theme continues on in the 1000 year reign where billions more are brought to God directly through the Christ. Thus before Christ arrives we have every prophetic indication of the things in prophecy (Rev1:1) that lead to that arrival so others can also understand what all men shall face.

The truth of prophecy does NOT add to confusion, it is the truth that sets one free. Keep thinking that other way and we wouldn’t get anywhere now would we.

They are coming, warn others, it is part of the requirement to draw close to Jehovah through Jesus Christ.

(Revelation 1:1-8) A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent forth his angel and presented [it] in signs through him to his slave John, 2 who bore witness to the word God gave and to the witness Jesus Christ gave, even to all the things he saw. 3 Happy is he who reads aloud and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and who observe the things written in it; for the appointed time is near. 4 John to the seven congregations that are in the [district of] Asia: May you have undeserved kindness and peace from “The One who is and who was and who is coming,” and from the seven spirits that are before his throne, 5 and from Jesus Christ, “the Faithful Witness,” “The firstborn from the dead,” and “The Ruler of the kings of the earth.” To him that loves us and that loosed us from our sins by means of his own blood— 6 and he made us to be a kingdom, priests to his God and Father—yes, to him be the glory and the might forever. Amen. 7 Look! He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, and those who pierced him; and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief because of him. Yes, Amen. 8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says Jehovah God, “the One who is and who was and who is coming, the Almighty.”

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Jehovah’s witnesses have set a practice in motion when they were fully awake and not misled by illegal leadership to PAY ATTENTION TO WORLD EVENTS AS THESE MATCH PROPHECY PATTERNS!

It is a good practice to CONTINUE to practice, because since 1990 more outright matched prophecy has been fulfilling around United Nation 3rd global presentation progress, the fall of the USSR marker as well (to remove the USSR=KN impossibility), and now a Bethel apostasy so blatant reproach and distraction from the GB scandal mill fills the YouTube “air waves”.

ALL OF IT IS DIRECTLY IN PROPHECY!!!!! In fact the JW modern apostasy is the final theme of most of Isaiah, all of Hosea, all of Amos, all of Micah, and the judgment in Joel, much of Zechariah, most of Malachi and parts of Ezekiel and Jeremiah. Nahum, Obadiah, and Zephaniah and Habakkuk contain globalization principles of the opposing world power system, and also touch on infiltration themes and attack themes in certain areas.

Tie it all togther with Daniel 8 and 11 EXPLICIT details an context of this apostasy in the areas of the 3rd UN global event, and it is undeniable that the furthest point of Christian and prophecy progress among JWs, lo and behold and not surprisingly at all,HAS BECOME THE FINAL SUBVERSION TARGET!

Thus, when we see the JW debacle is square in mega-prophecy all over the Bible, then our faith is actually STRENGTHENED even by such negative “lawless one” self “lifted up” “in the temple” prophecy.

Everyday a new globalist feat of deception in world events like 911, 2009 global credit crisis, various international corporate rule treaties and on and on, match globalization “gathering” propehcy of Revelation 16:13-16. EVERY DAY the globalist step forward towards a clearer and clearer world government goal, and we see the initial build up of the final global indications cycle, even the apostasy in detail, that must be revealed BEFORE Christ arrives.

All mere coincidence Bethel SAYS NOT ONE THING about these hundreds of little “signs seen in” symbolic “sun, moon and stars” of the system of thing’s own “heavens”?

Plus as Jehovah promised by Isaiah STUNNING “new” things, related to the “first things” MUST be revealed to all anointed and ehovah’s witnesses and thereby others SOON.

(Isaiah 48:6-7) You have heard. Behold it all. As for you people, will you not tell [it]? I have made you hear NEW THINGS from the present time, EVEN THINGS KEPT IN RESERVE, that you have NOT KNOWN. 7 At the present time they must be created, and not from that time, even things that before today you have not heard, that you may not say, ‘Look! I have already known them.’

(Isaiah 42:9) . . .“The first things—here they have come(“first witness” 1914-1918 things), but NEW THINGS I am telling out. BEFORE they begin to spring up, I cause you people to hear [them].”

(Isaiah 43:18-19) 18 “Do not remember the first things (1914-1919), and to the former things do not turn your consideration.(stay focusedon modern times!) 19 Look! I AM DOING SOMETHIGN NEW. Now it will spring up. you people will know it, will you not?

And those prophecies are about the veritable tidal wave of truth that MUST AND WILL come splashing out globally from the removal of the GB and the temple judgment which must use the visible JW org as the globally seen epicenter of a divine judgment that will make 1914’s judgment look like an 1800s picnic at a midwestern town square.

It should be obvious “befouled garments” JWs are in the “WRONG CONDTION”, so obviosuly Daniel 8:13-14 which has no good proof of fulfilling already, MUST AND WILL fulfill in the temple judgment of Jehovah’s witnesses. What builder does not inspect the temple before it completes? Same with God, it is temple inspection time rendering the Zechariah 3:1-3 verdict, and now it is temple judgment time to get this JW ministry BACK into the “right condtion”; timed for future verification upon Jehovah’s witnesses centered events.

Jot it down.

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PLus it keeps gloabl attention on JWs, as their notoriety transforms from open global lawless conduct led by the GB, to a judgment, to the REAL REASON why God allowed this “trampling” of Daniel 8:13 to take place. Even the UN NGO “transgression causing DESOLATION” to JW org visible things is square in that prophecy!

It keeps the world focused on the very JW place the final warning and final open salvation appeal from God shall manifest after the “evening” phase of the temple judgment of Daniel 8:13-14,26 has run its course.

You can bet your life that initial 3.19 years “sign of Jonah” (Dan8:14) with JWs tossed overboard into the “sea” of the world system will be a peak anti-temple operation that will cause God to dispatch “The Destroyer” to ensure the globalists get their foot of JW face, with a kick in the nuts SO HARD they will fold back to their world government camps (Hos1:4-7; Isa31:8-9), to fully allow a Revelation 9 “abyss” of truth to swarm all over the target system from God.

Destroyer, judge of jews and gentiles by names Abaddon and Apollyon, will also cleanse the temple, he is the overseeing “angel of Jehovah” of Zechariah 3’s temple cleansing to final commission of “second witness” prophecy. The JW downfall gets so severe, ONLY angels of God can push the gloablists back, and kick their flaming arses OUT of the temple they have trespassed to subvert within.

Now that won’t make CNN news, but it will make the news of theinternal “Assyrian” globalist camps. They will KNOW the “furnace” of Jehovah Jesus Christ is back “in the temple” booted the cave of robbers. Christ always judges the temple first. This JW temple anointed judgment will be no different.

That is why angels are all over Zech3, Mal3, Rev8-9 temple judgment prophecy, even Daniel 8:11-14 is Gabriel present prophecy. Because angels will be required to get JWs out of this jam and trap the GB has led them into.

Some captured JWs will have to be be set free by angels in stealth miraculous manner, just like Peter and Paul:

(Isaiah 49:24-25) . . .Can those already taken be taken from a mighty man himself, or can the body of captives of the tyrant make their escape? 25 But this is what Jehovah has said: “Even the body of captives of the mighty man will be taken away, and those already taken by the tyrant himself will make their escape. And against anyone contending against you I myself shall contend, and your own sons I myself shall save.

Those are little signs into the enemy system, because even some from the enemy system can see these things and repent before Destroyer comes back in full blown war mode of Revelation 19:11-21.

All these events will keep JWs in the global spotlight. Thus when God allowed the JW org to be infiltrated to lead to this, its outcome is a globally seen JW judgment which gathers more eventaul global attention than the whole 1914 period forward, in a single time frame! That is called divine insight and strategy of God Almighty, he KNOWS what he is doing!

And when God has the whole world jaw dropped and looking at poor God judged JWs, THEN expect the final warning and real disclosure to come forth like an erupting volcano of truth. (Rev9-10-11:1-4)

God has allowedJWs to “go bad” by “operation of error” “in the temple” to get massive global attention to the very “first witness” locale of the “second witness” to continue on in approved “discreet virgins” and approved Jehovah’s witnesses repenting and make the wheat cut!

The “right condtion” MUST be met BEFORE the final warnign 1260 days is even “little scroll” commissioned in Revelation 10:5-11 “prophesy AGAIN” parallel Zech 3:4-5 cleansing and Zech3:6-9 final ultimatum of God’s commission on the final “sprout” and “temple head stone” news of temple compeltion coming, e.g., the Christ arrival upon eventually complete 8thKing/KN world government.
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[QUOTE who=”GreatSouthbay4040″]<quoted text> There is such a thing as “end of the world”. It is the “end of this system of things”. Just semantics. Both mean the same thing.

Jehovah will end this system of things. Starting at the opening salvo of the GT through armaggeddon.

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Not so fast Betsy. Rev10:11 “YOU must prophesy AGAIN” first. There are TWO witnessing phases in the “TWO witnesses”.

The GT point is the nation-state classic “world power” system amalgam is to implode in grand global fashion and financial compromise of whole Euro and US governments will lead the plunge into King North world government (Dan11:42-43).

Thus the simple outline continuing where Fred Franz was cut short at (1992), while Bethel went UN NGO (1991) while COVERING UP the 1990 3rd UN prophecy (Dan11:31b; Dan8:23) as they work for the real “King North” 8th King world government project internally (Dan11:32a; Dan8:12), to effectively derail JWs into delusion, is that Bethel is the signal UN aligned apostasy of modern note. (Dan11:30-35, Dan8:11-13)

According to JW base prophecy extended into modern times, this has yet to happen before “the end” can come.

1. Temple Judgment

And that apostasy will ignite a judgment on the JW organization, which will be prophetically timed as Daniel 8:13-14 ignites Daniel 11:41, first (1Pet4:17)

2. Temple purification

As the 7th King nation-state system takes its initial sovereign financial hit, the JW org visible corporate “trampling” of Daniel 8:13-14 will be in action to form an eventual recovery, in which the Bethel apostasy (permitting Dan11:41) and everything they are now covering up regarding 7th King downfall (Dan11:42-43), UN abyss plunge and global “sword-stroke” (Rev13), to ascend the 8th King world government eventual “rise” (Rev17:8-12), will become part of:

3. The Final Warning of the “second witness” of the “two witnesses”

And by that time, that final warning will precede full world government full “8th King” finality by 1260 days as Revelation 11:2-3, parallels Revelation 13:5, 12:14 and Daniel 12:7, 7:25 enroute to world government.

4. World Government Triggers Christ’s Arrival

That final warning is ceased in Revelation 11:7-10, climaxing Revelation 13:5-7, as Daniel 12:11 activating the final 1290 days, in which period, Christ arrives, triggered by complete world government. (Rev11:11-12; Matt24:29-31)

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And that is what apostate Bethel is concealing, and why they go down first, but God will prevent the 8th King “tramplers” from extending out to capture all JWs globally scattered. (Hos1:4-7)

That is the “interval” they are now priming JWs for, to “obey and be blessed”, to obey the GB and JW org, “as crazy as it may sound” (WT 11/15/13, pg. 20, par. 17; WT 7/15/15 “Your Deliverance is Getting Near”), to aid the attempted global JW capture campaign, from the Pied Piper JW org and GB apostates and impostors.

That is when the GB and Bethel apostates will be neutralized, to allow the recovery of the final second witness warning.

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World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3; Dan12:11), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

THAT is the simple main point.

The temple judgment of JWs will help them and others understand when the GB is downed by God, soon:

(Isaiah 28:18-19) And your covenant with Death will certainly be dissolved, and that vision of yours with Sheol will not stand. The overflowing flash flood, when it passes through—you must also become for it a trampling place. 19 As often as it passes through, it will take you men away, because morning by morning it will pass through, during the day and during the night; and it must become nothing but a reason for quaking TO MAKE OTHERS UNDERSTAND what has been heard.” (Dan11:41; Dan8:13-14)
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[QUOTE who=”Analytical7″]<quoted text>
1 Corinthians 12:25 also says – “that there should be no division in the body”

Would you say you and Bethelite are brothers in Christ? Witnesses of Jehovah? Having no divisions in the body of Christ as you say?

Ps. 133:1 – “Look! How good and how pleasant it is
For brothers to dwell together in unity!”

Since you and Bethelite are brothers in the same body where is it that you dwell in unity?

The Christian congregation was founded, not to function as a social club, but to honor Jehovah and to get a job done—the work of preaching the good news, making disciples, and building up the congregation. (Rom. 1:11, 12; 1 Thess. 5:11; Heb. 10:24, 25) Thus, the apostle Paul could say of Christians: “You are standing firm in one spirit, with one soul striving side by side for the faith of the good news.”—Phil. 1:27.

Accordingly, as Jehovahs people, we are united because we accept Jehovahs sovereignty, love our brothers, hope in Gods Kingdom, preach the Kingdom message and respect the ones God uses to take the lead among us.[/QUOTE]

Sure used to be that way. But one cannot respect Jehovah’s sovereignty who respects freewill when Jehovah’s supposed witnesses are being coerced and do not respect each others conscience, or that of fellow humans. The GB seared conscience and guilt trips and forcing people to stay and do this and do that is what JWs call respecting Jehovah’s sovereignty having become slaves to a greedy and bloodguilt UN allied GB.

And that’s certainly just the tip of the iceberg in today’s befouled congregation, there is more.

But “because of transgression” (Dan8:12a) JWs are now ripe for temple judgment, the GB is our final apostasy “son of destruction” now betraying polluting the anointed temple, time for Daniel 8:13-14.

JWs have wandered far far off course, and merely parrot the words of 1914-1950 JWs who were walking the walk. Today’s JWs cannot rely on the “first witnessing” witness works. Time for JWs to get with the program, after the timed temple judgment of Danil 8:13-14 for the “second witness”. (Rev10:11, AGAIN)

JWs have stalled and hope now vain and hypocritical words alone will do, as the world itself now scrutinizes the JW spiritual folly led by the GB clown car.

Somethign big has to happen to wake JWs up. (Matt25:1-13) It all repeats now. (Rev8-11)

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[QUOTE who=”little lamb”]<quoted text>

These are very informative scriptures you are quoting here and the information is invaluable

Jesus is our Lord ..others try to come in his place …that is profound

Its the same , that one can’t be baptized into a ‘religion’

we can’t be baptized Catholics , or seventh day Adventist , or Methodist …we can only be baptized into Christ , because he alone paid the price to redeem us .

We are to become one person ..Christs BODY

” Neither Jew nor Greek ……you are all ONE PERSON in Christ Jesus .”

And that is true that the wolf comes to steal destroy and kill

Just think about how these ones have taught us not to believe the gifts exist today …and people are dying ..think about how they steal the new covenant from people, that actually makes Jehovah our God

They teach there is a short cut to having Jehovah as God …but there is only one way , through the blood of Jesus .

with the false doctrine that gets them to disbelieve Jesus commandment is speaking to them …

May you keep in the faith of Jesus BJD…[/QUOTE]

This is all real. Anointed everything is being attacked.

1. They attack already consecrated ones to try to corrupt to divine rejection.

2. It will be pretty effective, we will lose “five fool virgins” worth in this judgment, a 50 50 parable means the fall will be significant.

3. In depletion, they will try to prevent the replacements from going with their calling.

4. They will try to prevent the final warning which effects the final seal during and as the final 1260 days transpires. (Zech3:6-9)

5. They want to keep the anointing incomplete, to keep the sealing incomplete, to try to keep the Kingdom incomplete, to try to keep Revelation 10:5-8 incomplete.

They will completely fail though. (Dan11:32b; Rev11:3)

But now we know how real this is and is going to get even realer soon.

The JW anointed numbers are going up, because even now God is preparing the replacements. When we lose around 50%, of course the final call of Matthew22:1-14 will be urgent. The Bethel “city of murderers” going down (Dan8:13-14) will be the signal of our times, that the final call will go out full blown after the GB and the temple trespassers and weeds are pulled. (Isa66:6; Isa31:8-9; Hos1:4-7)

Though they will fail miserable, they will none the less give it their best shot, so we need to take this dead seriously, they are targeting anointed to topple. The GB leads the wolf pack “in the temple” and JWs are full of deadly weeds to try to topple as many Christians as they can, not just Jehovah’s witnesses for JW reproach causes mass discrediting of the “truth spoken of abusively” due to brazen rogues like the GB.

The very golden calf JWs are now venerating are the top of the list for modern Gehenna scale judgment. Imagine that, only the Pharisees outsin the GB, the GB make the Pope look like a virgin girl scout decked in spotless raiment white. (Zech3:1-3)

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If words don’t work on JWs, only strokes can be used next. JWs are in need of strokes, words have fallen on deaf ears.

(Revelation 2:20-23) . . .“‘Nevertheless, I do hold [this] against you, that you tolerate that woman JezeBETHEL, who calls herself a prophetess, and she teaches and misleads my slaves to commit fornication and to eat things sacrificed to idols. 21 And I gave her time to repent, but she is not willing to repent of her fornication. 22 Look! I am about to throw her into a sickbed, and those committing adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of her deeds. 23 And her children I will kill with deadly plague, so that all the congregations will know that I am he who searches the kidneys and hearts, and I will give to YOU individually according to YOUR deeds.

That “time” is about up,no repentance from self righteous JWs so far.

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[QUOTE who=”Larry”]<quoted text>
BJ You cant just take a read a prophecy from the bibleand say it has a paralell meaning for our time.
Question. do all prophecies of the bible have paralell meanings?
If not how do you know which prophecies have paralell meanings and which do not?
Do bible propheices have triple meanings or quadriple meanings. Why not?
If because of some miracle you do truly know which bible prophecies have paralell meaning. How could you possibley interpret every detail as you have. Becuase there are HUNDREDS of ways to interpret details. You do reliase that. Infact just for you BJ im gonna do just that

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Sometimes big questions arise, such as why have JWs devolved so quickly. Then there are big world events that no one says nothing about, in particular, the 3rd United Nations presentation of 1990. Now if as JWs teach UN 1 (League; 1919) and UN 2 (United Nations; 1945) it simply stands to reason UN 3 1990 (in “New World Order” mode) is also foretold.

We actually have a continuum I shall post after this post of a UN1-2-3-4, all in prophecy, in which the final UN event after this coming world war, is the one in complete “scarlet wildbeast” WORLD GOVERNMENT complete form.

Thus, either this is not true or Bethel is covering up a final UN sequence in UN1-2-3-4 prophecy. And they connected to the UN as UN NGO in a ministry which is:

1. Governmental; JWs are supposed to be representing God’s Kingdom.

2. Now a UN connection which under NO CONDITIONS should be associated to the JW ministry.

Thus the question is WHY would the GB be doing this?

And once we review all the discrediting campaign info on the internet, etc, we find no answer.

Thus we must check prophecy to see where the GB goes apostate and adjoins to the UN in that 1990 context. And we have the USSR=King North decoy still being retained as if King North ever failed and it NOT be noted explicitly in prophecy. [2]

Well that 3rd UN “THEY will place the disgusting thing” is at Daniel 11:30b from “those LEAVING the holy covenant” who produce profaning “arms that stand up” in Daniel 11:31a to help the 8thKing/KN boys place the 1990 UN also in the JW ministry as the “they” in Daniel 11:31b.

In reality, when the real King North downed the USSR in “cold victory” after the Cold War, that is the “disgusting thing” global placement in 1990 we are looking at now. It MATCHES a huge world event now being silenced by apostate and impostor run GB UN NGO Bethel.

We have a parallel in the two “stands” of the king of fierce countenance in Daniel 8:23-25, the last of which must also be world government. But that first “there will stand up a king fierce in countenance” of Daniel 8:23 is also that 3rd UN event of 1990, they stood up at that time by defeating the defunct USSR. As per Daniel 11:36-39 they do “prove successful” unlike the USSR fail. And they do overtake the “most fortified strongholds” which the USSR has been the most formidable to date.

So from Daniel 11:31-45 it is all 3rd United Nations to world government continuum we are now in, which as per Daniel 8:12 in that former context just noted, they also “throw truth to the earth” in league with the enemy system from within Bethel as KING NORTH “misleads into apostasy” those JWs “acting wickedly against the holy covenant” which the GB authority totally illegal “in the temple” leads from within Bethel.

They use the erred Daniel 8 and Daniel 11 USSR=KN decoy to merely bypass modern JWs past this event as the only one who would note it was silenced and died in 1992, that being Fred Franz, so now JWs have no word the 1990 3rd UN, UN1-2-3, is indeed foretold in a matching prophecy. Due to the nature of the “Cold War” JWs think in error that 1990 3rd UN was not the end of a cold global war cycle, to them it is insignificant.

But it was significant enough for the WTBTS to adjoin as UN NGO, yet they did not note the prophecy UN3 fulfilled.

Thus the only answer to these perplexing questions as to the nature of the modern JW plunge into lawlessnes and apostasy as led by GB policies, is actually right in the same prophecy Bethel is covering up. And Bethel’s cover up and defection is part of the prophecy. The “place the disgusting thing causing desolation” is the UN NGO parallel of the Daniel 8:13 “transgression causing desolation” as a temple transgression of this defection.

Thus all needed events to match are right there at apostate Bethel, UN allied, covering up prophecy and stumbling many people as per Daniel 11:32-35,41. But it is going to get worse. KN is already “entered the Decoration” among JWs, but Daniel 11:41 will turn into a globally visible JW org global corporate takedown invasion all can watch on CNN when that time comes. It is the “trampling” of the JW org, the thing the first part of the desolation comes.

God well knows JWs are being misled and will doubt all this. So Daniel 8:13-14 is a TIMED temple judgment, and after its initial 3.19 years minimum transpires on JWs to an eventual recovery, JWs will have the affirmed verifiable timing, and all this evidence just covered to understand the “mystery of lawlessness” is in the GB from Satan and King North in reality whose mission was “leading into apostasy” JWs, then crashing the JW org in attempted destruction amidst a JW ministerial cancellation in a transformation to an “it’s the end of the world” so-called “hard hitting judgment message”. (WT7/15/15)

To smokescreen the fact only the JW org is undergoing a “hard hitting judgment” and will be the only entity “ending”, the GB employs the way too premature “it’s just the end of the world” diverting hoax as per 2Thess2:1-2.

Daniel 8:13-14 will now unfold as the required final temple judgment cycle, and it is timed so that Daniel 8:13-14,26 shall prove itself soon. But it takes 3.19 years initial “desolation”, so be patient, it is not “the end” for the world, just the end of the Bethel apostasy run. God cleans the temple out in a very distracting global context of Daniel 11:41-43 going full blown for more years. JWs will have to recover as aided by God to eventually update “the message” and then carry out the final 1260 days warning which the Daniel 8:14 timing shall lead to in some for now unknown, but well timed and verifiable manner.

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8th King World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3; Dan12:11), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.
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That is the simple truth apostate KN-backed Bethel is now concealing temporarily.

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Four 8th King UN Cycles to World Government – 1919-Future

UN 1. 1919 – Rev13:11-15 (Dan12:11 first fulfillment) as League of Nations after WW1;

A. International Bible Students Association (IBSA) explained as prophecy;

UN 2. 1945 – Rev17:8-11 as United Nations after WW2;

A. Jehovah’s Witnesses (JW) explained as prophecy;

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Unknown and unstated by UN NGO allied Bethel and Jehovah’s witnesses:
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UN 3. 1990 – Daniel 11:31b as United Nations “New World Order” Initiative after WW3 (Cold War) (Dan11:29);

A. Covered up by Bethel as UN NGO, not explained as prophecy by any religious group;

[We are Here…]

UN 4. Future – Daniel 11:45; Daniel 8:25; (Daniel 12:11 last fulfillment) as United Nations and World Government after 4th world tribulation/war cycle to come.

A. Not currently explained by Bethel in lieu of a premature “end of the world” deception. (2Thess2:1-2)

B. To be explained after the JW temple judgment desolation, purification and removal of lawless Bethel engineered subversion (2Thess2:1-4; Dan11:30-31; Dan8:11-13);

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[2]

Real King North

USSR Fails, Also Fails as King North, as UN Third Placement of 1990 Assumes King North Identity as 8th King!
http://templelijah.wordpress.com/more-man-of-lawlessness/extra-extra-read-all-about-it-ussr-fails-also-fails-as-king-north-as-un-third-placement-of-1990-assumes-king-north-identity-as-8th-king/

KING NORTH GLOBALIZATION TO WORLD GOVERNMENT
https://templelijah.wordpress.com/2015/10/08/king-north-globalizationworld-government/

Daniel Prophecy and 8th King Globalists
Daniel 11:36-41 and Daniel 8:23-25 8th King Globalist Details and the Bethel Apostasy Co-Development
http://templelijah.wordpress.com/daniel-12/daniel-prophecy-and-8th-king-globalists/

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8th King/King North World Government as Simple as Possible
http://templelijah.wordpress.com/un-fourth-cycle-soon/8th-kingking-north-world-government-as-simple-as-possible/

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[QUOTE who=”Michaelangelo1992″]<quoted text>

Wow! Thanks for stating that. Not sure if anyone else has noted an “evening and morning” as one full day and thus get 1150 days within 1260 days.

By the way 1260 – 1150 = 110. 100 ratio to 1260 is about 1/12th, meaning one tribe out of 12 is the tribe of Levi, the special temple tribe!!

1260 divided by 12 = 105!!

Thanks for the reflection.
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The point is the 1150 days transpires first as temple judgment, then the 1260 days next, the transition timing is unknown if any.

This is because guys like Robert King and Joshua Stone will try to tell people, IN ERROR, that as the JW org is going down, so the 1260 days has begun. But ti will NOT be true.

The purpose of the significant possible 6 year timing of 3.19 years “evening” temple desolation and 3.19 years “morning” recovery is for the divine purpose of burning out all the following premature end delusions to come after the JW one fails first.

JWs end delusion is just the most premature of them all, but others will soon follow, so don’t be fooled, we are 15+ years away from world government most likely, surely more than 10.

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[QUOTE who=”I_know_better_now “] ‘God’s eternal purpose now triumphing for man’s good’.
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That was one of my favorite books. Now what I do is reread some of the Franz era stuff, such as “Paradise Restored by Theocracy” in the Zechariah/Haggai commentary and I simply think, not “Christendom” but Bethel’s modern apostasy.

All books such as Revelation 8-9 in the Grand Climax book, become very enlightening in final phase form when one just swaps out the “Christendom” distraction and swaps in the “Bethel apostasy” where the judgment must come first.

Christendom goes down with BTG under world government complete. In the meantime, the Bethel apostasy is obviously of a far higher priority now. Plus, in a strategic sense it is not too big, it can be “desolated” far easier than Christendom, though a few other small religious groups may be “thrown in” to that JW org downfall context, to make JWs think it is the BTG judgment, which would be premature in reality.

In another divine strategic sense, they are right where God wants them, in HIS TRAP. When they pull this anti-JW-org phase, the poor things will end up INSTEAD garnering global attention on JWs.

Thus by the time Daniel 8:13-14 fully transpires as we have to pay attention to its 3.19 or 6.38 year possibility (even a 12 year possibility in 2300 x 2), the final warnign will come up in a JW camp with a global spotlight. Thus the enemy will form far more global-attention for a candid final disclosure, they will be played right into God’s hand, and this final warning will have a greater impact than the 1914 period.

And with good reason. When they complete the rival “scarlet wildbeast” in full, we can bet Christ will then arrive to scoop sheep first, then to pound world government into coyote food.

It is simply building up to a globally seen world government completion that all can see progressively, and thus all can also make the connection it will trigger the Christ. Dragging to all out saves more people, because even BTG going down frees up some final “my people” and some people will simply have to accept it for what it is, the end of the system as fully forewarned by Jehovah’s witnesses, inspite of the revolt, it is recovered and its self-disclosing nature of global-confession of what has actually been being covered up, will be very convincing to some people.

Thus allowing this among JWs is a divine strategy to put the global attention on steroids on JWs for when the final warning and full 1990-to-then disclosure comes out right where many shall be focused.

Impostors are fried by the Destroyer if they try to stay. It is not a conquest, it’s a message from God, just kicking them out of the temple to allow the final warning to be successful. (Dan11:32b)

Thus all the former Revelation truth is still valid, the “first witness” was valid, it is not Bethel not Christendom who gets exposed in highest priority. Of course Christendom doom with BTG is still a true warning, the Bethel apostasy is of far greater priority when Rev9 exposing and scouring comes on them, in the same manner as post 1990 JWs did on Christendom.

Exposing Bethel apostasy is chapter one of the fianl warning recovery, then everything they are now concealing will be explained for a full “little scroll” summary as per Revelation 10:5-8, and we must “prophesy AGAIN” as per Revelation 10:11.

It is nto over. This giving JWs that impression as if it is all about over is a DANGEROUS attitude to have. It takes Matthew 24:13 “endurance” to complete Matthew 24:14 fully. Bethel’s “it’s all done brothers! enter paradise!” attitude will set JWs up for great disappointment. But there will be a full “RIGHT CONDITION” recovery none the less.

The temple subverters will fail, but they will help get gloabl attention on JWs for when the fianl warning emerges, guaranteed.

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At this time the USSR=KN impossibility is a very bad diversion. It is also very bad distraction away from modern UN and globalist progress to world government.

Logically ALL prophecy of a sovereign rival sense, MUST converge into the same “end” point in time, and into the same entity.

KingNorth, KingFierce, 8th King MUST ALL BE THE SAME ENTITY IN THE END! “Scarlet Wildbeast” world government.

They are working on world government and are hiding it less and less as the globalists proceed. Bethel must be “missing” this connection on purpose now. Alex Jones and 1000 other commentators sees it, but Bethel misses it?

No way. IT IS ON PURPOSE. (Dan11:32a)

World government has been the marked goal since League of Nations 1919. It is was just not time yet to “succeed”.

(Daniel 11:27) . . .“And as regards these two kings (nationalist/globalist), their heart will be inclined to doing what is bad, and at one table (world rulership) a lie is what they will keep speaking. But nothing (nation-state based) will succeed, because [the] end is yet for the time appointed.

Thus WW1 and WW2 to the unique Cold War “different” (Dan11:29) is all covered in just Daniel 11:27-29. A perfect setup for UN3 1990 in Daniel 11:30-31 with the Bethel apostasy of Daniel 11:32-35, as the real Daniel 11:30-45 is now active right in front of our face in the GLOBALIST “King North” system, which Bethel is all too conveniently mum about.

That is a clear and present subversion of JWs.
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There is a haystack and needle of truth trick of diversion going on.

Before JWs understood there would be a needle to find, the 1976 Bethel scandal started to pile on the first pitchfork of hay.

It began a wave of criticism, where Ray Franz “types” were labelled the “apostates” and the holy GB was labelled the “holy men” good guys.

JWs were then trained to ignore all “hay” talk, and to protect the GB as that protection became an idolatry in time. In addition the axe used of Ray Franz was then applied to ANY talk of dissension in congs.

Now a number of years later, when we are looking for the “needle”, all this Bethel scandal and fear “hay” is concealing the needle. Now when you have something truly valid to state in regard to Daniel 11 or Daniel 8 as well, JWs just consider it more “apostasy” “hay”. Thus they automatically reject anything critical to the GB or anything that disagrees with their “teaching”.

Thus when sweeping the floor of now a veritable tsunami of needle concealing “hay” all over the web, all expanding NOW to a “haystack” from the first pitchfork load of 1976, JWs just sweep the needle of Daniel 11 truth away in knee jerk reactionary manner.

Thus the KN boys of Daniel11:32a, as “arms that stand up” “in the temple” in spiritual war, have a handy self-protecting and needle concealing complex in place in their constant barrage of “apostate” hay storms.

And thus JWs miss the needle, because of all the hay.

But in time God will poke JWs awake with that same needle. OUCH! (Dan8:13-14)
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[QUOTE who=”DR SOS”]<quoted text>

“This is because guys like Robert King and Joshua Stone will try to tell people, IN ERROR, that as the JW org is going down, so the 1260 days has begun. But ti will NOT be true.”

The jealously arises as you are steaming over others interpretation of what future events will take place against the JWS because you receive ZERO recognition and they receive a million times more recognition then you ever will. It’s gonna stay that way because your anonymous and your anonymous because you live in fear and can’t make the sacrifices that robert King makes.

You will die a no body were robert king will at least as pitiful as he is be known. [/QUOTE]

Or.

It is just more unnecessary “end of the world” hype. There message will fail, Daniel 8:13-14 will “go global” in time.

There is no “competition” with Daniel 8:13-14.

King and Stone are just a couple Masons like Cedars trying to get a new degree or two. It is all engineered to try to trap JWs who have escaped Bethel error. They are external sheep traps is all they are. They are the ring of error and traps outside of the JW org error/trap.

CSI Bethel has all the main DNA and fingerprints we need to nail ’em all.

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[QUOTE who=”little lamb”]<quoted text>

I found Daniel 11 [32] And those who are acting wickedly against the covenant he will lead into apostasy by means of smooth words ‘

interesting because that taught me that the apostasy isn’t against an organization but against Jehovah Gods covenant mediated by Jesus Christ .

The fact that Jesus said he came down from heaven and speaks only what his Father gave him command to speak , and then an earthly organization teaches people those words are not speaking to them , that is apostasy from Gods word

Jesus tells us ‘ he who is from God listens to the sayings of God and he that is not from God can not hear .’

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It’s not against an organ-ization, so to speak, but Satan uses organization against the “body of the Christ”. In this case, it was a secular organization that used to be run by claimant members of the “body of the Christ” in the JW ministry, now fully run by Satan and hsi UN NGO Dragon worshipers. A body is made of organs, so it is an “organization” as God uses divine order in all things, just not in the manner people associate with human corruption, or prophecy.

But in the secular sense of corporations, and “organizations” defined by Caesar’s laws there is never an “organization” that has prophetic merit, unless of course it is Satan’ organization. Neither is a “board of directors” of such an “organization” Biblical such as th GB makes both claims, as now BOTH GB and “organization” are clearly idols competing with God’s worship and playing “middle man” in an attempt to replace Jesus Christ among Jehovah’s witnesses.

I am at a loss as to when JWs will start to take this more seriously, it sure is a disappointment hwo asleep, self-assured and apathetic they truly are. But Daniel 8:13-14 “right condition” is now required among the “befouled” “body of the Christ” identity as the cleansing parallel of Zechariah 3:1-5. So JW’s and the “organization” are a clear example of a plainly WRONG CONDITION the world can see.

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Since anointed are invisible to human eyes but know only by God and his angels, there has to be a VISIBLE entity to express God’s judgment propehcy on so that it becomes recognizable as the signal warning it shall be. It will sweep away the GB and smash the JW org to help others understand what is to be seen in this temple judgment:

(Isaiah 28:18-19) And your covenant with Death will certainly be dissolved, and that vision of yours with Sheol will not stand. The overflowing flash flood, when it passes through—you must also become for it a trampling place. 19 As often as it passes through, it will take you men away, because morning by morning it will pass through, during the day and during the night; and it must become nothing but a reason for quaking TO MAKE OTHERS UNDERSTAND what has been heard.” (Dan11:41; Dan8:13-14)

Corpse and corporate are related words based on a DEAD body.In that they are fittingly accurate it is also spiritually dead as well.

Real Christianity is also not a “religion” which word is not found in scripture in regard to anything God uses. It is a faith, religions compose the body of Babylon the Great.

A thing JWs have allowed back into the environment of the faith is the “governing body” concept (1944-1976+) and entity which derives from Babel as the “organizers” of apostasy and Satan ruled so-called “theocracy” from way back.

“”The Mystery Religions each had their secret councils which ruled them, and these councils themselves came under the guidance of a secret supreme Grand Council or Governing Body.””

http://www.whale.to/b/sp/bl.html

Now look at the kind of blasphemy the Governing Body from the Demons of Babel now claim:

*** Watchtower 2013; 7/15 pg. 18, par. 12 ***

“”The channel he used for spiritual feeding was clearly recognizable. After all, the apostles—the original members of the governing body—could provide visible proof of heavenly backing.””

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IN REALITY, the apostles were the first members of the “body of the Christ” not an illegal and competitive “body of governing” as sold to JWs now, as that very entity is “organizing” wildbeast UN NGO and thus Dragon worship among Jehovah’s people involved with the JW “organization”.

Hence Matthew 24:15 to flee an apostate form of “Jerusalem” along with a UN “disgustign thing standing” as fake claimant “anointed” now control Bethel and JWs for the Devil. Of course such a major apostasy will be squarely described in prophecy. (Dan11:30-35, Dan8:11-14.)

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(Isaiah 41:1) . . .“Attend to me in silence, YOU islands; and let national groups themselves regain power. Let them approach. At that time let them speak. Let us come up close together for the judgment itself.

As we see, BEFORE “the judgment” the “national groups regain power” as per the “sword stroke got healed” in Rev13:3. The bad part of the cycle eventually recovers into world government emerging globally.

It is not the end, it is just “as though”, a false impression, of “the end”.

(Revelation 13:3) . . .And I saw one of its heads AS THOUGH (but not really) slaughtered to death, but its death-stroke got healed, and all the earth followed the wild beast with admiration**.

The healing makes the world government “solution” globally “admired”. It has to parallel this “ascension” of that same world government for the same “admirable” effect overall:

(Revelation 17:8) . . .The wild beast that you saw was, but is not, and yet is about to ascend out of the abyss, and it is to go off into destruction. And when they see how the wild beast was, but is not, and yet will be present, those who dwell on the earth will wonder admiringly**…

The “it must be the end of the world” “doomsday” HOAX merely diverts people’s minds into hype and fear aiding the process. Hence why Paul said to reject such premature expectation hype, especially from claimant “as though from us” fake apostles like the GB:

(2 Thessalonians 2:1-2) . . .However, brothers, respecting the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we request of YOU 2 not to be quickly shaken from YOUR reason nor to be excited either through an inspired expression or through a verbal message or through a letter as though from us, to the effect that the day of Jehovah is here. WAY WAY TOO SOON!!!

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But the “twelve tribes” will include humans.

(Revelation 7:4-5) . . .And I heard the number of those who were sealed, a hundred and forty-four thousand, sealed out of every tribe of the sons of Israel: 5 Out of the tribe of Judah twelve thousand sealed…

“Out of” means there is a remainder of the “twelve tribes” which has now taken on global human proportions of all mankind to be restored in the “re-creation”:

(Matthew 19:28) . . .Jesus said to them: “Truly I say to YOU, In the re-creation, when the Son of man sits down upon his glorious throne, YOU who have followed me will also yourselves sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Since the “Jerusalem” symbol has transcended the capital city of the physical 12 tribes, so do the “twelve tribes” take on the global proportion as the 144000 are “bought” from among mankind being that same “out of” the “12 tribes” symbol.

The way my old Bible teacher explained it was the “new Jerusalem” is the 144,000 add 1 in Jesus Christ it is the “heavenly Jerusalem” complete where Christ is the King of the whole which will be over “twelve tribes” of mankind and why Genesis 49 twelve tribes namings varies in comparison to the “twelve tribes” of Ezekiel 47 and Revelation 7.

Thus moving forward with what JWs do have correct keeps the understanding progressing past the various stalls of Christendom. Don’t throw out the Baby with the dirty Bethel bathwater, God will clear it all up in time before world government arrives to trigger Christ arrival.
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[QUOTE who=”Larry”]<quoted text>
You havent still actually answered my two questions BJ
1.Are all bible prohecies paralell?[/QUOTE]

Whoops, got sidetracked. The prophecies having to do with apostasy to temple judgment to purification to final commission to final warning commission BEFORE world government to Christ arrival to sheep sweep to world judgment to Christ conquest to day one 1000 year reign MUST all parallel with the prelude to (apostasy phase) and then the “seven trumpets” framework.

The seven trumpets sequence everything after apostasy to the finality. All prophecy will “register” into that final cycle sequence.

[QUOTE who=”Larry”]2. If there are paralell prophecies how do you know which ones are parallel prophecy and apply for our time?

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We have one main first signal principle whether in Israel or in the Christian era: ACTIVE MAJOR APOSTASY. The apostasy signal is the first anomaly in “God’s house” to be detected, and eventually exposed after the temple judgment it leads to.

1. At this time many see GB lawless policies, but not all are connecting them to final signal apostasy prophecy. [1]

2. Secondly, JWs have been trained to doubt the GB is a bad element.

3. This is why Daniel 8:13-14 is a modern temple judgment one-time only prophecy; it is also TIMED for future verification to JWs who are at this time highly skeptical and in deep denial of the UN NGO eventual ramifications. In other words, Daniel 8:13-14 will explain itself in time by providing the “transgression causing desolation” marker, the UN NGO connected to the “they place the disgusting thing” of Daniel 11:31b, which part of the “they” is GB placing the UN NGO in the JW temple association along with that 1990 3rd United Nations event.

Now for JWs, the first two UN events are foretold and square in prophecy. OF COURSE that now UN-GB silenced 3rd UN is also in prophecy, it is at Daniel 8:23 and Daniel 11:31.

4. Thus a misled JW (Dan11:32a) transgression mill (Dan8:12a) and prophecy cover up (Dan8:12b) such as this will soon be dealt with by God to form the basis of the temple judgment. (2Thess2:11-12)

5. From the temple judgment, the rest of the dominoes shall fall into place, the final dots will connect one step at a time over several final years.

A detailed explanation will follow.

Detailed Explanation

The major prophecies leading from temple judgment, to world government, to Christ arrival [2] have to have parallels with each other, and parallels of indications now active in both the world system and the Bethel UN allied apostasy. So I would say not all will be parallel, because they are some obscure prophecies like in Numbers 24, but numbers 24:17 is Genesis 3:15. The point is, eventually they all “converge” into everything Jehovah has forecasted would occur all the way to Satan’s destruction. The major sovereign theme framework prophecies all have parallels for the most important period: RIGHT NOW, and on to world government that triggers the Christ arrival.

I am not sure if you mean parallel or repeating, as in repeating in our time.

For example, apostasy in “God’s House” is a common parallel theme in all eras since Assyrian conquest. Apostasy occurred before the Assyrian conquest of Israel (Hos1:4-7), before the Babylonian conquest of Jerusalem, before the Roman conquest of 70-73 CE, and in 1914 as we transitioned into “7th King” power era, as Christendom’s apostasy was noted globally. Thus, in time, God fully exposes “hypocrite” houses of worship. Now for many there is no question Christendom is severely stalled and compromised, a joke.

In fact a major spiritual judgment occurs with a shift in global power 4 times so far: Assyria, Babylon, Rome, Anglo-America. [3] The final shift is into “8th” “King” world government (King North parallel).

The temple judgment of JWs is the precursor signal. Apostasy triggers the spiritual judgment.

We are now at an active apostasy stage in Daniel 8:11-14, and Daniel 11:30-35 explicit context, Zechariah 3, Malachi 3, 2Thess2:1-4 implicit principle. (1Pet4:17 priority) It is now subverting Jehovah’s witnesses, meaning this apostasy now supercedes that of Christendom. And it too has a UN endorsement in that UN NGO, just like Christendom endorsed the League and UN.

There are prophecies that are parallel which are one time only, for example the full-blown actual conquest phase of Christ in Rev19:19-21 and its overview in Rev11:15-19, detailed as 2Thess2:1:6-10. There are several Hebrew era prophecies about the Christ conquest, such as Joel 3:9-17, Ps110, Zephaniah 3:8 where in God is included in the conquest in some of them, though he is behind it all as Christ is his anointed conquering King. Of course, those are parallel but one time only. But we have been aided in envisioning the Christ conquest by the 1914 preview patterns, so we can get warmed up before the real thing comes.

Thus certain of those prophecies are not repeating prophecies but they are parallel.

And they are paralleled in a framework of the whole sovereign theme of the Bible. The main sovereign plot of the Bible must be complete (Rev10:5-8) and everything parallels and converges into it. That main “outline” of the future (Rev1:1) is the “seven trumpets” pattern. The seven trumpets pattern occurred in 1914-1926 and after, in 7-1 order, but it repeats in 1-7 order in the future. It will honor the same theme as before, but with new Bethel apostasy and world government specifics.

The “seven trumpets” final fulfillment phase coming up, also parallels the WHOLE final global cycle.

The “seven trumpets” begin at temple judgment (Rev8), proceed to “fire of the altar” spiritual purification (Rev8:3-7) and recovery (Rev9), to final warning commission (Rev10) and “little scroll” deployment (Rev11:1-7) to world government “ascension” (Rev11:7; Rev17:8-12) to the Christ arrival it shall trigger (Rev11:11-12) then the salvation sweep (Rev11:13) and then the final conquest (Rev11:15-18)

Of course we have temple purification parallels in Daniel 8:14, Zech3:4-5, and Malach3:15, (Isa6:6-9 prior to final warning commission). That must all come out of the coming JW org downfall marked temple judgment of Jehovah’s witnesses in the near future. It is not “the end”, it is where “the judgment” always begins: God’s own house. (1Pet4:17)

Now portions of that entire “seven trumpets” sequence parallel in the “seven plagues” (the global context) and all other parallel prophecies, that is parallel to this final global cycle sequence of progression. For example, we can find parallels of the Christ arrival as Rev11:11-12 and Matt24:29-31. That Matthew 24:31 “sheep sweep” is at Revelation 14:14-16. Rev19:11-16 is also Christ arrival, so those are prophecies that parallel and parallel into the final sequence framework.

We can find parallels in the sequences to know Christ sweeps for sheep first, then does the goat deal last such as Matthew 24:31 parallel Matthew 25:40-46, Rev14:17-20.

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This time we need to be able to explain the prophecy BEFORE it all happens. This time (Rev10:11), we cannot wait until after the fact of world government and Christ arrival , for then it would be TOO LATE.
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TWO Witnessing Phases of the “Two witnesses”

From Christ arrival in prophecy we can work backwards to the temple judgment modern timeframe (Dan8:13-14; Rev8:3-7) that will eventually produce the detailed “little scroll” final warning for 1260 days of that world government and Christ arrival final progression in the deep cycle future several years from now. The “two witnesses” are two 1260 day Kingdom announcement periods (Rev11 2520 days; “seven times” complete), 1914-1918 and the future.

To, this “second witness”  time, forecast the future before it happens (Rev1:1), we need the first witnessing Revelation outline already established by JWs, because that 1914-1919 initial Christ arrival in parousia lays the same pattern as the final cycle, it gives all the final sequence hints and events. (for example “world-war-to-world-government” is the global context repeating the same pattern asWW1-to-league-of-nations in 1914-1919)

Plus the “first witness” gave a foregleam warning of how the Christ arrival sequence unfolds so we could get a hint before the full blown arrival of the future. This is why some say Revelation has not fulfilled yet. The reason is the first Revelation cycle could not be the full blown arrival, but it did have to have a spiritual arrival theme to set the basic framework for the future. The trick is much of Revelation fulfills twice, one for each of the “TWO” “witnesses” periods, 1. 1914-1918, and 2. the future final one, which will summarize the whole prophecy as per Rev10:5-8.

That Rev10:11 “You must prophesy AGAIN” is the “second witness” coming up, in time.

For example on how the same theme repeats, JWs started their ministry “announcing God’s Kingdom” from the days of Russell, but by 1919 their focus became exposing Christendom apostasy as part of a divine requirement they perceived from the temple judgment of that period.

1. The FIRST principle is lawless apostasy is detected and it leads to a temple judgment.

Today we have that apostasy at Bethel, the location of that original warning now devolved into UN NGO, illegal human GB dictators in a “ruling body” and so on and so forth. In fact the 2nd and 3rd trumpets are exposures of this Bethel “1/3” apostasy. The same theme JWs originally explained for Rev8, now just applies to our own house, our own apostasy.

And so will the temple judgment and subsequent “revealing of the lawless one” at Bethel and the GB who are purged and exposed in this judgment cycle, just as Christendom was in the first cycle. But now this JW GB led (Dan11:32a) apostasy must be the highest priority, of course.

Thus soon, one thing will start lead to another.

[1]

Connecting Bethel Lawlessness to Final Prophecy
http://templelijah.wordpress.com/more-man-of-lawlessness/connecting-bethel-lawlessness-to-final-prophecy/

Bethel Apostasy Foretold in Daniel 8 and 11
http://templelijah.wordpress.com/more-man-of-lawlessness/bethel-apostasy-foretold-in-daniel-8-and-11/

[2]

8th King/King North World Government as Simple as Possible
http://templelijah.wordpress.com/un-fourth-cycle-soon/8th-kingking-north-world-government-as-simple-as-possible/

Temple Judgment to World Government to Christ Arrival
http://templelijah.wordpress.com/graphics-of-final-cycle/temple-judgment-to-world-government-to-christ-arrival-revelation-11-and-daniel-12/

[3]

Foretold Apostasy Always Precedes a Global Epic World Power Transition—5 Times in Prophecy
https://jwupdate.wordpress.com/2015/05/01/486/

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[QUOTE who=”Michaelangelo1992″]<quoted text>

Could be. I just know that when the Bible says that Christ sends for his angels to gather the elect, some of those angels materialize and pose as people. I know one angel got himself arrested and sent to prison to end up in the same sell as one of the elect. So some of this is direct. I think most think the angels invisibly influence this process; that’s how I interpreted it. But turns out at least some of them materialize and directly influence things.
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I think the holy angels have a salvation “toolbox” that is beyond even human imagination, definitely beyond human understanding.

The demons have had many of these “tools” removed. That is the abased power state they are in, not mention the spiritual darkness of the prison dungeon they are in.

A clue as to how “off” the demons are is how late Satan was when trying to forecast the Christ birth to destroy him. Jesus was already a toddler by the time Satan “found out”.

That idiot is what is called “over-rated”. God plays him like a fiddle ALL THE TIME.

Satan did NOT perceive the full impact of the murder of Christ as well, he had no idea what God was purposing to do, that former sinners will chop off demon heads empowered in the Christ immortal form. (Heb2:14)

Satan is always “behind the times” as far as God’s strategic perfection. God is dealing with a retard in comparison.

Much has changed in Satan’s world since Genesis 3’s days. They are not quite a uppity as they once were. They are plagued by the reality of certain doom and total failure.

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[QUOTE who=”FH Chandler”]<quoted text>

Several persons close to Ray have suggested that the so-called “607 issue” was only of minor concern to Franz at the time he was working on compiling the “Aid Book”, and even less of one during and immediately after the events that took him out of the JW sect.

He was advised by others to play up the 607 non-issue because it was a big deal to people like Randall Watters. I can’t verify that anymore than any anecdotal claim Franz made, but so many of those are taken as indisputable… It says something, to me, when people on both sides of an issue say similar things; people still around who I personally know who were at Bethel at the same time as Franz have stated that this was something that was discussed, but never given all that much consideration and that Franz never actually made an issue out of it until after people started reacting to Crisis of Conscience. I don’t know if you’ve ever seen the original version, or the subsequent revisions, but the 607 non-issue took on more prominence with each one.

I suspect he employed a degree of dramatic license in his commentary, particularly with regard to that topic.

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What I think can be gathered is the GB is an experiment and the worst thing that ever happened to JWs, and they are the main engineers of the discrediting of 1914 among the world and JWs.

Not because it is not a truthful major turning point in human power history, but because they engineer and back end and a front end “error” stumbling block.

It is the “Governing Body” who keeps these errors is place:

1. At the back end we have a 1914-discreditor “problem” in that “20 year glitch” that does cause problems for those who explore this back end depth of the Bethel theology.

2. At the 1914 front end doubt-object placement we have that ridiculous “this generation” total debacle from the getgo.

The GB is who maintains the guard on these two stumbling blocks.

Ray Franz was influenced by Carl Jonsson research, which could have shifted 607 BCE to Babylon history, rather than Jerusalem parallels.

In the current state it is not even “Gentile Times” based chronology, Bethel tries to pop in “Jerusalem” which is NOT a “gentile” Bible symbol, and that causes the 607 versus 586 first problem.

607 has to be based on a Babylon time, at the least it was Neb’s crown prince year.

Once that shift is made, 607-1914 connection is more solid, and the 586 Jerusalem temple destruction event fits in nicely with the hundred secular sources. A 2 year “variance” is far more acceptable than that 20 year joke the GB maintains even if people have to be thrown under the bus to keep it in place.

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The GB is an evil entity from another source, from globalist intel infiltrations well known from even before the CIA “operation CHAOS” era of domestic espionage projects.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_CHAOS

Most people have no idea about CHAOS, not to mention ECHELON, Project MERRIMAC, Project MINARET, Project RESISTANCE, Project SHAMROCK, Project Megiddo as part of the larger COINTELPRO shell.

Of course, the roots of the CIA have been involved in these kinds of domestic subversions for many decades prior to the official CIA.

And of course, the most “radical” group of Christians in JWs will be right in the middle of the CIA and its precursor radar from obviosuly 1918 forward.

To most people the CIA does nothing. They are just a “conspiracy theory” like the Mafia was as well.

But it is these kinds of infiltration expertise groups who are in that “GB experiment” development budding in JWs since 1944-1976.

And they are not done, the desired goal is the destruction of the JW organization and the cancellation of the JW ministry prematurely. All that is coming up, to be managed and “obey as crazy as it sounds” led by the JW GB Pied Pipers for the CIA arm capture of the org and many fooled JWs. There are analogs in Euro intel, Russia, China, etc, with one goal: get rid of the JW “organization”.

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[QUOTE who=”I_know_better_now “]<quoted text>

I am fully aware of the imperfections of the Org. I wonder what really drives you every day to do what you are doing. How do you really benefit? As with the others on here how are they benefiting by their anti org position? And if the Org meant nothing then why all this resistance to it? This all starts to look like gov propaganda in a relentless campaign to smear. It might even entail military operations. Think about it, the world may understand prophecy to an extent and may know the end times prophecy and may very well be working to stop it. That sounds like a very plausible reality. Look at Youtube, topix, craigslist, what you will find is the same campaign like hate against the Org. With similar arguments and techniques and characters. Despite all this though God’s Will will be done. Jehovah will seal his anointed and he WILL bring about the GT. He is even manuvering them right now to where he wants them,. They just don’t even realize it is happening. In fact it is unstoppable no matter what they do they will still be accomplishing God’s WILL. Even if they cannot connect the dots. Their division and unity works for Jehovah ironically.

Some things to think about.[/QUOTE]

They cannot reverse the conveyor belt to the piledriver that world government i heading to, of course they shall try, but God reverse their eforts instead. (Isa38)

IKB, a UN NGO is NOT an “imperfection”, it is a brazen, wanton and willing “transgression causing desolation” with ZERO GB or JW repentance and admission fo guilt.

As with Israel’s worship of other god, WTBTS has a “covenant with Death” in Isaiah 28, which is also in that UN NGO as they wheel and deal to try to keep their 20 billion dollar “nest egg” in tact. The GB is illegal and unfaithful and too comfy with the “good life” and all its perks, they are out modern “rich man” class, it played into them appeasing the elites as UN NGO.

In so doing, with the great responsibility they have, they have now put ALL Jehovah’s witnesses in JEOPARDY they have performed the main UN allied covenant transgression that ensures now the foretold “desolation” commensurate with the true magnitude of that horrible UN NGO mega-sin “in God’s house”.

The truth is Jehovah is fuming MAD, and I cannot try to “kid glove” JWs to think this is not going to have very very severe deadly consequences on the JW org and the JW “army” as per Daniel 8:13 “trampling” for 3+ years.

Like a Marine Drill Sargeant we cannot be “easy” on JWs, a war is starting “in the temple”, and JWs need to be put back into spiritual “right condition” shape, and Daniel 8:13-14 fulfillment will help JWs see this need.

The benefit is YOU, WE, OTHERS, can START NOW to get ready for hell on earth to come in Isaiah 28 upon the JW org and all JWs in some manner.

But as you say, if JW org and JWs REPENT FAST!!! they could stave off the worst part of the potential judgment. If JWs and Bethel remain stubborn, self-righteous and unrepentant expect full hell on Earth on the JW org.

And Daniel 8:14 is flexible, its timing can go a couple of ways overall.

Why is this? Because, recovery can be sped up, by JWs speeding up in repentance. (Rev2:20)

Which way it will go remains to be seen. First off JWs at this time do not even see a need to repent. Thus we already have a delay.

Don’t blame God, blame the guilty party: the stubborn GB and Jehovah’s witnesses.

Jehovah’s witnesses are who shall determine how many strokes God must use.

Sure it discredits the truth, that is why the GB is in the JW org befouling it for all to see and stumble from. The GB is worse than everyone else, they are the number one global reproachers of God’s name, number ONE, bar none.

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The current Bethel apostasy will topple a significant number of anointed. (Matt25:1-13)

So getting replacements is already the divine priority, the enemy system wants to try to keep the final mission incomplete, by keeping the Kingdom incomplete by keeping the dealing incomplete by keeping the anointed incomplete.

The devils up at Bethel KNOW EXACTLY what the Satanic goal is. (Dan11:32a) Though they fail (Dan11:32b; Rev10-11:1-7), they will give it their best shot anyhow.

By the time the JW org starts going down as Daniel 8:13-14 (Rev8:2-7) the urgency will be increased (hence the first four trumpets of the temple judgment), but of course doable by God Almighty. JWs are the “middle hour” complainers, the “11th hour” load has to still come in and JW org downfall as a timed temple judgment will convince some of these newbies.

The final drama will stay focused on JWs, for when the final warning and final call emerges from that camp of “smoking” globally seen “desolations”. (Rev9)

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[QUOTE who=”sidgi”]<quoted text>

he list.

Either that, or I actually am interested in telling anyone that will listen, that Jehovah doesn’t have a religion.

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Actually this is true. And it is what Charles Russell tried to emulate when he called the group of Christians generic “Bible Students”. JF Rutherford nailed it truly when he said [all] “Religion is a Snare and a Racket”.

In the beginning, what became known as “Jehovah’s witnesses” was supposed to be a faith and an INDIVIDUAL identification of what the PERSON was trying to be: God’s witness. It was not yet a “religion”, it wanted to be kept separate from the very idea.

It is a FAITH, the word religion is not found in the Bible except once when referring to gentiles inquiring of the “religion of the land” so they could stave of rogue lions God had sent to harass them. (2Kings17:26)

Bad things began to develop almost immediately after Rutherford’s death. This included introducing the term “governing body” to slip it in and see if just the concept took first. Then they started to harp of “Organization” more and more and more. Then they claimed in just 30 years since 1914 the temple was in the “wrong condition” and “theocratic” organization was the cure, as if the temple was the organization. This synopsis of Daniel 8:13-14 can be found in both Daniel commentaries of 1958 and 1999. But Fred Franz stated his doubts when he said in 1958 version “IF we accept this as the interpretation…”

My point is a GB dictatorship is by no means a theocracy. The ministry was fooled into believing giving Bethel dictatorial power, that went from the top to the bottom, was somehow a “right conditon” and that a Bethel GB ruled clergy was somehow what a “theocracy” really is.

That is part of the “operation of error” that with enough time is “the lie” in today’s JW “religion” (2Thess2:!1-12) It all came in 1944 one little step at a time. Now while they sold the fake idea they were cleaning the temple by “theocracy”, they were stringing the GB concept along with the other hand. In 1971 they started to prepare to morph the WTBTS “board of directors” into the “Governing Body” label, by capitalizing the term into a title.

Then in 1975 just prior to the 1976 super-coup of the GB devils over Bethel, Knorr and the Franzs, they started then to call the board that “Governing Body” to put the pyramidal capstone on their pyramid of tyranny, as it merged with the fake “thecracy” concept and it became when JWs are today: A SNARE AND A RACKET mixed with “first witness” truths to sell the jalopy of UN NGO and heavy sins and bloodguilt to all JWs.

Thus in reality since 1944, what we have seen in hindsight, is all this “theocratic organization” and “governing body” talk is actually how the temple has been brought into the WRONG CONDITION. And handily as per 2Thess2:11-12, sure enough God permits this operation of error for the basis of judgment of JWs, to see who LOVES the truth, and who loves the lie.

In so doing the rat nest of GB CEOS who have taken over the 30 billion dollar GB WTBTS global empire of Bethel false religion by hook and crook and “smooth word” deceptions (Dan11:32a) have also themselves ensured DANIEL 8:13-14 has been attached to the development, as that actual blasphemy will now be revealed as the real Daniel 8:13-14 fulfills in the future. And when God finally sets forth to blast some trumpets of truth in JW faces, for that is what ti will take, the Daniel 8:13-14 GB led blasphemy will be unraveled in historic WTBTS form, as the real Daniel 8:13-14 becomes known.

1944: The “Theocratic” Governing Body Rulers of the WRONG Condition of Daniel 8:14
https://templelijah.wordpress.com/dan8/how-daniel-812-14-unright-condition-has-been-developed-by-the-profane-governing-body-since-1944/

They have sealed their own fate and exposure by their own pen. JWs devolved into a relgion, merely cloaked as “true religion”, when in reality as JF said all “Religion is a Snare and a Racket”. How true that is today among the GB witnesses.

Now God will bring the “wrong condition” befouled temple back into the “right condition” over the GB’s dead body.

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So far “African Eve” has been traced in mitochondrial DNA to most likely be a black woman. But black and white are just pigmentation gradients, there is no black ro white human beings, they are all gradients of pigment.

People are of the “human race” and are all the same color in different tones.

Mitochondrial Eve
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve

They may have both been black or capable of chameleon like control of topical DNA engines, or even deeper.

People are actually fully malleable if they could control their own DNA, malleable in form and color within design limits of the DNA as far as science knows it.

With a slight tweak in your DNA the power to push it through your physical being you could be singing like Mariah Carey by the end of the week, it is all possible within the DNA and then, of course, knowing how it controls everything else.

But that is God business, but Adam and Eve were as close to the source as one could get at that time. They had all the perfect powers now in the whole human family of DNA imperfectly because they are its first original source which goes back to Adam as the source of the woman.

Things were more flexible when not in bondage to sin and compounding error. They may have been glowing like Christ at the transfiguration. They may not have looked like humans of today, because their designs were from the perfect image of God.

All was lost when they added the fruit to their collection of almost everything until it was added, but all was lost, at the same time.

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BJ, You are on the same side as sidgi.. You are an opposer to true worship. Your rhetoric is slightly different but because you wish ill will against God’s people you are a odorous stench against the body of Christ. … [/QUOTE]

You are still a wave being tossed about. Jehovah’s witnesses allowed our leadership to join the UN. If you think that is not going to have severe consequences you need to start paying fuller attention to what wildbeast worship brings.

If you are looking for a mute Jeremiah with kid gloves to handle JWs liek daisies, you won’t find such when it is time to expose the GB and JWs for what we have become.

The 1976 GB had some anointed, not all, but some. We can scan Ray Franz record to know who introduced the main errors, such as Milton Henschel, Albert Schroeder and Grant Suiter, those guys are most likely Mason connected MI6 and CIA.

I do not accuse Fred Franz, he is the one that harmonized the whole modern JW prophecy framework, and only an anointed in approval could do that. There are going to be five foolish virgins, that is actual anointed Christians who are rejected. Being anointed is not a license for free sinning. It has great responsibility, and JWs and GB have been negligent, and until full admission and repenatnce the curse of Zech3:1-3 will remain.

Woe is me if I remained silent on the true “wrong condition” of Jehovah’s witnesses. In time it shall be proven who has sent me, I worry only about not speaking up regularly, not at all about what I say, or how I say it, for GB and JWs are bloodguilty before God. We in that communal capacity are who need to watch our butts these next few years.

JWs are spoiled rotten, dare anyone should expose the sins in our own house. Well I ahve had enough of JW hypocrisy, and so has God.

laid out how the wrong condition has been met, and why we are far far from a “theocracy”. First off, we have to OBEY God, not GB, to be theocratic. JWs will be no more apt to accept judgment than the Jews of old who nailed Christ, because it is all the same Adamic flesh overall.

But in time (Dan8:14) JWs will have to face the music. I have the truth of prophecy behind me, if God wills it through the temple judgment no man or even demon can stop what must be said. You can join the “second witnessing” phase prep now, or remain in denial, but you cannot remain in denial forever. We are either wheat or weed, and Daniel 8:13-14 judgment will make the determination from God. Kid gloves are comign off, brass knuckles of truth are coming on.

Sonn JWs, all of US, will have to suffer the consequences of the sins of the GB. “Soon, very soon”. But unlike the GB who also says all this, it is not “the end”, it is the temple judgment coming on apostate JW Jerusalem. (Matt24:15)

Now because I tell you the truth, I have become your enemy? Where have we heard that before?

You are actually catching on more and more, you know King North has to be globalized world government. Bethel could and should easily also explain that. But alas, they are not, they have gone BAD. FOR KING NORTH GLOBALIST INTEL!!!! (Dan11:32a)

You will catch on fully in time. I am not your enemy. I know our truth and this org history. No boast, I know it inside and out, and you need to know our prophecy rules laid by Fred inside and out to see where they are breaking the rules. You have to be anointed, true, but you also have to be an expert at the same game THEY ARE [[[[ACTING]]]] like they are playing. It is a UN-NGO FORFEIT!

I call their fouls everywhere I see them, because neither they or JWs will, or I would not be here. I know our game, they have met their match, I boast in Jehovah’s power to teach and enlighten from prophecy, LIVE AND REAL-TIME prophecy.

You are picking on the wrong guy. The GB is who God is removing, we can check notes on this claim later. (Zech3:1-5)
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I kinda thought it was the healing from the Tower of Babel where God confused the language and scattered the nations. Before God did that the Bible says that the people were all one people and they all spoke the same language.
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That language healing you speak of is AFTER world government is terminated, but it shows the relationship to the events of Genesis 10-11.

(Zephaniah 3:8-9) . . .“‘Therefore keep yourselves in expectation of me,’ is the utterance of Jehovah, ‘till the day of my rising up to [the] booty, for my judicial decision is to gather nations, for me to collect together kingdoms, in order to pour out upon them my denunciation, all my burning anger; for by the fire of my zeal all the earth will be devoured. 9 For then I shall give to peoples the change to a pure language, in order for them all to call upon the name of Jehovah, in order to serve him shoulder to shoulder.’

The only thing Babel’s language scramble did was delay the process of world government, the means of “gathering nations” in a sovereign sense, for it was the first attempt and its “divine intervention” was non-destructive, a delay tactic of God.

The globalists are attempting to get nations to willingly agree to join them in a war against God for planet Earth. They do not tell the host nation this is the inevitable conclusion, but that will be the ramification for nations who join the UN to be members of the opposing globalized sovereignty and it will meet the competitive entity known as the “Kingdom of God”.

In time the globalists will lead nations to a super-war they can never win. (rev16:13-16) In the meantime, they force nations to be in the UN. The UN will become dysfunctional in the future, but that “abyss plunge” parallel-dialect is the “sword stroke” parallel one at Revelation 17:8-12; they will resume function as world government executive center with the global post world war healing process and take the full credit for it.

IN secular terms they will really become the truly “only solution” as the nations are compromised fully financially, first. (Dan11:42-43)

This final world war “problem” is their main dialectic procedure to present the world government “solution” when that war is resolved after much “doomsday” hype has played out.

When finally world government complete the final sovereign contender will manifest to settle the issue of Earth’s permanent rulership. There will be a full global warning prior to that conclusion. It takes several more years to play out. It starts with the corporate takeover of the JW org, just as a precursor signal event (Dan8:13-14) that you can verify soon.

From there the rest of steps go one at a time.
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The Bible says they were all one people-so they already had a world government. God didn’t delay it he broke it up. Now it’s coming back together again like the Bible says it would.
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Good point, I shall remember that.

I think today researchers like Alex Jones and David Icke have informed many people of how the Hegelian Dialectic works.

In the “problem” phase the “reaction” is engineered and its focus is then put on the “solution”. I state this now to continue on why I posted an example of the dialectic in Revelation 13:3, and Revelation 17:8-12 for that matter because it is parallel.

1. Firstly, the reason I do this is because the “sword stroke” [impression] of “doomsday”, “slaughtered to death” is the “problem” to manifest at global scale. Now while many people are FREAKING OUT, we can know by prophecy and globalist dialectic it is NOT “doomsday”. THAT is why I posted this, it is a secular mental atmosphere of the same premature “the end” delusion of 2Thess2:1-2.

Now that all being said, as people freak out because of the world war or terroror whatever is in the “crisis”, their psychological energy is hyped up, but with NEGATIVITY. Many will expect rapture, too soon, and the end, too soon, and they will fret and freak the WHOLE TIME.

BUT it is a temporary phase, one in which the POSITIVE “reaction” is being engineered, and much of its psychological energy will be in the transformation from “doom” to “hope”. When the world sees the “sword stroke” “doomsday” did NOT manifest as sorely expected to, that negative mental energy will be changed intp POSITIVE mental energy like “make up sex”, fully as powerful in positivity as it was formerly in negativity.

And when they get that “reaction” they will focus people’s “admiration” on the “solution”of that “wild beast” world government.

That is why knowing how they use a dialectic to their big presentation NOW, can be very helpful to not be deceived by the strong emotions that will be peaking during this “sword stroke” and “tribulation” phase. What is coming is probably a full blown world war, BUT it is NOT “the end of the world” or “doomsday”. It is a global-crisis they will take full advantage of to hghlight the hopefuly positive reaction to that “8th King” “King North” WORLD GOVERNMENT.

Now it may seem to be cliche to many, talkabout world government, but pledging allegiance to a flag of globalists will take on more meaning when people start to realize the “solution” is based on the complete emptying vacuum of their national sovereignty as their leaders will “give their power and authority to the wildbeast” as per the Revelation 17:8-13,16 ascension from “abyss” (Rev11:7) of full blown world government.

As Ihave talked on the Web, I have had someaccusemeofbeing a “doomsdayer”, but to the contrary I am an exposer of how the doomsday HOAX in fact transforms into the greatest global recovery potential the world has ever seen to that time. The globalist system will own all gold, all debt and wealth securitizations, and they will own the symbolic monetary system in its latest world government of finance form.

Thus when they come to sell world government, they can bribe people with many perks to accept the positive offers the wild beast system will make to people at global scale, all the nations will have made that compact with the globalists, the second the joined the UN they endorsed the globalized world government agenda. The world war is a last hurrah of nation-state sovereignty, just a fake show of it as if it still exists, but it official removal is yet to come and the replacement will come in with the global “solution”.

Now on some accusing me of “end of the world” talk, I have a very long range forecast for what is merely the end of hack globalist bankers ruling the world, yes that “system of things” is going to end, but not next year and not even 10 years from now, but after they complete everything they are foretold to complete to the full.

As a sign you can test in the future in the first step of this forecast becoming active in the initial years of Daniel 8:14, I tell you to keep your eye on the Jehovah’s Witnesses “Worldwide Organization”. This is because it is slated for global apostate liquidation by the globalists, for God, very soon, but it takes several years to deconstruct the place, and the peak will not go beyond 3.19 years (half of the phasing of Daniel 8:13-14,26, the “desolation” portion). And in Daniel 8:13 that “transgression causing desolation”, that is this coming sacking of the JW organization at global scale, is due to the UN NGO their leaders adjoined in 1990.

The truth is the faith of Jesus Christ is a FAITH, not a “religion”, so all Christians are involved at varying levels of udnerstanding. In time all “religions”, that is corporate controlled Christian religions and others, but I am talking for Christians, devolve into gated tribes that stall prophecy progress and become the robbers “in the temple”. Jehovah’s witnesses are no different, but the scale of their org is small enough, and their apostasy is big enough, to furnish the first signal attack on a Christian group.

I tell you this because the coming years will prove out Daniel 8:13-14 first. (1Pet4:17) And from there the rest of the forecast will proceed one step at a time. By dragging this out for this final say approximate 15-18 years, MANY people can be “rocked” into full awareness of what and who world government will trigger. (SeeHag2:7)

God is a friend, he is not coming to destroy everyone, he is coming to free people from globalist slavery, he is purposing to save many many people, it really is an OPEN SALVATION OFFER at Revelation 14:6-8. Dragging this out over many failed prophecy interpretations and failed “doomsday” (Isa41:1), and that taking several YEARS to transpire, is for the benefit that many people will start to become aware in the simplest sense that complete world government will trigger the Christ King from God Almighty, most assuredly, they ahve had enough of the globalists as it is, it is just that more time means more people can be saved. (Matt24:13)

But we know the globalists have a global anti-religion agenda as well, and it has to transpire under full world government. The final sign after all these things described here is global religion will be done with its globalist tool purpose, and its enormous wealth store will be pillaged and used as the final recovery aid. Not all of it, but 300-500 trillion will sure come in handy when it is time to “heal” the “sword stroke” I can tell you that.

But after the JW org goes down, a final invitational warning has to also emerge, so in time the real forecast will go global, it this time we do not have the luxury of “after the fact” “interpretation. Because if we wait until world government is all complete and in final agenda mode for real, of course it would be TOO LATE.

So this time, the final forecast will have to be spoken in detail BEFORE it all happens, and it will use the JW org sacking to prove Daniel 8:13-14 which is the Revelation 8:2-7 “fire of the altar” purification parallel of modern temple judgment on the last point of prophecy progress, as the JW “message” is now 70 years OUT OF DATE. And why? Because as per Daniel 11:32a, the JW org has been infiltrated since at least 1944, but in a very “gradually given over” manner as per Daniel 8:12. They are compromised from within, the enemy is right inside Jehovah’s witnesses own “house”.

Now that Daniel 8:13-14 will by and large have to be explained after the fact, because people can watch JW org go down on CNN, and they can test that 3.19, 6.38 year timing and its desoaltion and recoevry phasing to see how tru it is live and real-time. It begins the “seven trumpets” which gauge everythign else, the first four are that temple judgment.

But it is a final call to all Christians (Matt22:1-14), and as many people as possible. (Rev9-11:1-7) Christ completes the global portion when he arrives as per Rev14:1-8 (See Matt10:23). But it has to use somethign all can visibly see, as a benchmark to establish the start of the seven trumpets as verifiable in the Daniel 8:13-14 events and timing coming with this coming global anti-JW-org campaign, allowed by God because JWs are clearly UN allied and in deep ehavy apostasy. (Matt24:15)

Because this takes years to “prove” overall in this forecast, I just lay it on the line because I know the first even on the JW org will garner the needed attention in those paying attention to this plot to fairly give the rest of the forecast serious consideration. If one prophecy/event domino falls correctly (Dan8:13-14), it will stand to reason so will the rest.

And this is a mesage of the faith, not a “religion”, God knows I’d be the first to eb kicked out fo JWs if I ever spoke this at one of their Kingdom Halls. And it is way beyond stalled corporate religiou gatekeeper clubs of Christian academic press, because like JWs, they too have been infiltrated but many decades and in some cases centuries longer than JWs.

Just jot it down, and give it a chance, is all I ask. Then, in time, if one considers it true and active, as usual, Christians are supposed to share truth as part of our minsitry.

Everything prophecy states will come true in sequence, hence why many forecasts are like much hay to hide the needle. It takes time to verify the real forecast, it has to come forth, it cannot be for money or fame, because these globalist goons are working on something that they will complete for “one hour” (Rev17:12), symbolic timg, short time, and it will trigger the King of kings to take this planet from them, by superior force.

It is all about this planetary life system they have been raping and abusing, and it turns out the someone else who also wants, will get it, and he will settle the sovereignty question by eventually the only thing these guys understand: FORCE, vastly superior forces.

So in time they also get the full warning and salvation offer, some in their camp can surrender to the will of Christ and God, and they are fair, they took Paul, God spared Nineveh, ANYONE CAN CHOSE the Kingdom of God over the so-called “New World Order” and live. Not just survive that global period of war with God, but live forever.

Think big, what is comign is even bigger than that. It really is “good news”. Great news in fact.

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Just because I don’t spend much time here on the end-time prophecies, doesn’t mean I don’t get it. In fact I get it pretty well. We just see different outcomes, and different identities. If you think the great tribulation is 15 years away, you have another think coming.
Revelation 2:

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I know you are really paying attention, btw.

I did not say that the tribulation takes 15 years to start, I mean the end of it all can unfold for many years in an approximation aided by timed prophecy. Tthe tribulation is in the first four plagues and takes some years to unwind the final world war “sword stroke”, it is also in the Daniel 11:41-43 FUTURE climax events on the King South wealth and finance system to be captured first in the process during the crash cycle.

I think Daniel 8:14 timing (temple judgment;3-6years) and unknown transition and then the 1260 days timing (final warning) and 3.5 day “death” state transition and then the 1290 days (Christ arrival in world government completion phase) will unfold for around 15 years. But Christ arrives after the “death” state elapses in symbolic time frame. (Rev11:7-12) (And in the longest Daniel 8:14 possible timing, 12.6 years is also possible in 2300 evenings and 2300 mornings; But I think it will be minimum 3.19 years, dual phase 6.38 years)

The START of the final cycle (tribulation phase) can start anytime, and it will begin soon, as even KN allied Bethel (Dan11:32a) is priming JWs to expect as per WT 11/15/13, 7/15/15. That is why Bethel KNOWS this, they are “in on it” with King North to crash the org under deceptive diversions.

The tribulation begins in a global context in which they can sack the JW org and that can start at any time.

But that is only the “tribulation of those days” phase (of the overall GT) that is the “problem” phase that leads to the recovery “healing” into world government (Rev13:3; Rev17:8-12; Isa41:1), and by prophetic rules must terminate with the 1260 days, whose start timing may be unknown. BTG goes down under world government, it is the JW org judgment that starts the tribulation, not BTG;

Bethel is using BTG as a diversion to conceal the true meanign of their own downfall “trampling” of Daniel 8:13 in the Daniel 11:41-43 global context culminating first. (They have JWs thinking that Daniel 11:41 events must be Daniel 11:44 “attack” way way too soon, another diversion aided by keeping the USSR=KN error)

But we can know before hand the “second witness” final warning ceases into that “death” state of the two witnesses as Revelation 11:7 and Daniel 12:11 parallel into final “place the disgusting thing” as world government.

We logically know in prophecy “space and time” all prophecy must end into the same “8th King” entity, there will not be a “King North” second world power system, it will all be the same world government terminus for Daniel 2,7,811-12 and Rev13,17.

World government intent will become very clear as we progress. But once they are in 100% global power they become far more dangerous than the phase leading to their globalization completion terminus defined by the “one hour” of Revelation 17:8-12. We know BTG goes down AFTER that world government “one hour” is reached. Because they have 100% global weapons system control, for example, the “four winds” phase of the great tribulation is reached.

Now as per Revelation 16:17-20 Christ arrives in sheep-sweep mode also before BTG goes down in that 7th Plague sequence of his “air event” arrival. So we know too then Christ arrives on a complete world government to complete Messianic Kingdom agency in their face as per Ps110. “Go subduing in the MIDST of your [complete world government] enemies”.

In any event 2Thess2:1-2 applies to Bethel’s main premature end delusion they now use to divert JW attention for when the Bethel hits the fan. SOON. (Dan8:13-14)

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You think the Almighty is not Loyal?

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No. I am saying we Jehovah’s witnesses have been UN NGO DISLOYAL. And there will be consequences. When Daniel 8:13-14 unfolds on apostate Bethel, you will arrive at Ezekiel 33:33 in your mind.

I have told you what Jehovah’s “mental concern” is (Am4:13), you NOW get the gist of what Daniel 8:13-14 can also mean: The timed Temple Judgment of Jehovah’s witnesses.

You oughta know God judges his own house first, NOT BTG. (1Pet4:17) Now God is loyal, but we must be disciplined or we are illegitimate sons if we cannot take our own direct divine judgment.

JWs have become too self-righteous. It was 1914-1950 “first witnessing” JWs who carried out this work when it was LIVE AND REAL-TIME League and UN exposure as it happened. Today’s JWs conceal the 3rd UN 1990 prophecy as UN NGO UN streetwalkers. JWs are silent on modern live UN progress.

Why is that?

JWs are who have been severely disloyal to God, by being loyal to the KN GB tyrants.

There will be a price to pay for this disloyalty and UN NGO proof of it.

You think today’s JWs can screw God and get away with it just because some 1914-1950 REAL Jehovah’s witnesses were fully loyal?

No can do.

There is no prophecy forecast as complete as this one, which also affirms 1914-1918 JW prophecy truth. NO ONE has this big picture as well laid out as this forecast. Robert King is just another KN mason laid trap for wandering JW sheep, an external ring of pitfalls to try to trap some escaped JWs by an error such as that one. He is a FAKE, he is the “gov agent” you should be detecting.

RK’s forecast will fail, he will say the 1260 days has begun also way way too soon. Daniel 8:14 timing will make his forecast roadkill in its first 3.19 years. That is why we have Daniel 8:13-14, to burn out Bethel’s false forecast and all the other fakes like RK working with them for globalist intel of KN.

Bethel fails first, then RK’s forecast will fall flat for his secondary “it must be doomsday” LIE. There is no “doomsday”, the final world war “sword stroke” heals into world government as per Rev13:3, Rev17:8-12.

If JWs are out waiting for Christ when the JW org goes down from GB FEMA known “bunker” traps, they will have sore necks, YEARS are coming before world government and then the Christ arrival it triggers; YEARS. The JW org is now a KN death trap, hence Matthew 24:15 FLEEEE the JW org!!! the minute one sees the Daniel 11:31b UN NGO standing where it ought not be standing.

There should be NO UN connection among JWs, NONE whatsoever.

RED FLAG!

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“Slavery” merely changed form with a “freedom” facade.

Your boss get’s a loan, pays your services “slave” fee, you put it in the bank, who loans it to your boss again.

You NEVER keep one red cent. You are just a pipe, not a reservoir.

That is the slavery many cloak in the “career” term.

The minions are taught to be independent, you leave home and pay rent and mortgages to bankers who in the elite tier keep their families together, they teach minions one set of divisive principles while they unify like a bee hive. In the meantime your family could all be living in a 5000 square foot mini-mansion by now, with 500,000 in hard cash, but rather than help each other they give their money to the bankers who use it according to elite capital protocols.

Selfishness=elite money pools in banks, so they teach the minions why and how to be selfish with their own families.

Now society is divided up into nomadic rootless career tribes, filling bottomless pits of emptiness which entail addictions to everything to fill the void, while enriching the elite dealers, while the elites used their funds to finance the new world order and to buy out their nations with their own paper money.

Thus slavery is more active than ever, the slave camps are called cities, the master is the elite, and his grade school brainwash from youth is the commands the minions obey, as lavish riches ensconced elites are their idol, and they enrich, venerate, emulate, protect and worship their main oppressors and think nothing of it the whole time.

Slaves.

“Life” and “living” is a “movie going” public herd round-up entranced by totally fictional stories with ZERO actual reality behind them, just some coked up Hollywood writer on shrooms, laying on his couch staring at the ceiling darkly dreaming up the next episode of Dexter or Star Wars as “media and celebrity” is the silver watch that waves before the hypnotized minion masses face at a regular wave focusing the zombies on actually nothingness, empty creeds and fantasies. Fiction is hard to distinguish from the McDonald’s hamburger destination “reality” in the mass herd now, it has merged into one pseudo-reality and outlook.

Now the media imitates that “art”, also full of “real” fake news orchestrations, and now the whole final act of the slave play can be as reliably scripted as a Seinfeld episode for they have parallel plots (a show about nothing), and the puppets can be predicted, programmed and controlled by the pre-prediction of the required role to play for all, and the whole final play can be produced, written and directed before it all goes into the final show act.

That is called Super Slavery with merely different wardrobes and uniforms, and it is taking over the whole world by this exact symbol and fantasy based technique. If you see these things, you are in the minority of the uncommon few, you messed up your lines already, thank God. You will be apt to improvise your own lines and disrupt the play for others, wherein the audience is part of the play; they all came, but everyone sat alone.

Now you got your work cut out for you to be your own Master, to create your own sub plot as needed.
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Follow your logic BJ.
1. You asume paralell prophecies exist because the UN is a world power and so was the 10 headed wild beast.
2 . You assume that the wild beast in rev. has a double meaning even though Gods angel clearly explained to John its meaning. Yes Gods angel explained a meaning to John and the angel didnt say anything about a double future meaning.
3. You assume Rev. has a double meaning therefore and any prophecy you see a pattern for our time has a double meaining.
4. You make an application of past forfilled prophecy details to our time.
5. You publically declare your ideas as fact.
BJ Dont you think your assuming a little to much[/QUOTE]

Well some one has to make giant claims at some point in the JW trip to Niagara for the after the fact record when the JW org wreckage washes to shore eventually.

No, the UN is NOT a “world power”, they are the “image” of the coming world government wildbeast. The UN is an international forum of international law of consent. A “world power” enforces laws by force if need be. When the UN, the future executive branch of world government fuses with NATO and a 100% financial control sector for a true world government of ENFORCED laws globally in the future, then they will be a representation of the 8th King world power.

The angel explained a description of wildbeast detail, the meaning is derived later. In fact there is no prophet who gave a sovereign prophecy who also knew its ultimate meaning, see Daniel 8:26-27.

Nothign in Revelation is explained, until later, because firstly it is for “God’s servants” to understand first, then make known globally:

(Revelation 1:1) . . .A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. . . .

Eventually one of the “servants” GROUP who God determines not men, will make it known to all. It is what Revelation 10:5-8 calls a “sacred secret”, unlike a comic book, it is not so easy to explain.

But when it is explained to those heading for salvation it is easy to understand as per Rev1:1. Many will be convinced after JW org hits the falls and the aftermath will bring the final warning of all time. (Dan8:13-14)

Big claims are nothing if they fail thus not being from God. (John7:24) But when big claims get into 100,000 heads in varying manner, then come true in grand global fashion even bigger than the original claims in total far-reaching impact, THEN it will gain big traction because it is the truth of the “things that MUST shortly take place”.

Now if the JW org downfall domino matches Daniel 8:13-14 and its timing, it will stand to reason for some the rest of the dominoes will go down in the sequential order to follow the temple judgment that laid JW org low, right on CNN so you can check this in the future and see if it is true or not.

I am doing it for people to understand the global circumstances and final event progression that will indicate the Christ arrival is the dot it is all connecting to, for their survival. They will never know me or my name personally, for the message cannot be distracted by the messenger.

Soon events are comign on UN NGO allied JW org that will amke you think twice about Daniel 8:13-14 and this whole forecast. It cannot be stopped because it is the defendable Revelation map to world government which entity WILL trigger the Christ arrival and response they are looking to trigger to their chagrin.

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[QUOTE who=”sidgi”]<quoted text>

what do you mean …it will be too late? It’s almost already too late. The bible has been here from the beginning, for those alive today. It is God’s word. Only those looking for Jehovah will find Him in a peaceful way. Those looking for men’s visions, men’s teachings, men’s Ideas, men’s notions, and men’s lifestyles, whether they claim they have been following Jehovah or not, will find a man’s reward. Mixing the false with the true has never been accepted by Jehovah. It still isn’t, and that’s all they have to offer.

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It is very simple sidgi. At the present Jehovah’s witnesses have been subverted to conceal UN and globalism development meaning of world government maturing since 1990 in a TOTAL BLACKOUT of modern prophecy IN FULFILLMENT as we speak.

They can’t even tell the GB is pure “lawless one” “in the temple” “lifted up over everyone”.

1. As usual God ALWAYS judges his own people FIRST, not BTG. There has to be a temple judgment to account for the GB sins, UN NGO and cover up. (Dan8:13-14; Zech3:1-5; Rev8:2-7)

2. World Government complete is when the peace and security proclamation comes out (1Thess5:1-3) as the “new world order” mantra of the “one hour” of global sovereignty. THAT will trigger the Christ arrival. ?(Dan8:25; Dan11:44-45; Rev17:8-18; Rev17:14)

The sooner people realize this is very very real (Hag2:7), the sooner they can stop fooling themselves and start to get ready to stand before the Son of Man.

Now as the JW diversion is mitigated and EVERYTHING from the 3rd UN 1990 and its UN NGO kissing GB apostasy and the 4th UN meaning in world government before it completes must come forth in global manner. (Rev10-11:1-7)

3. That means there has to be a recovery (Rev9) to the final warning 1260 days, it has to be carried out, and it determines who is sealed and who is all talk and no walk.

That final warning forms the final detailed “convincing evidence concerning sin” and the completion of the “sacred secret of the good news” in totally complete 1914 to present manner of what Jehovah’s witnesses have been saying the whole time furnishes the final warning and basis of world judgment. (Rev10:5-8)

Rather than see this now JWs expect paradise next week, they have been fooled by the very premature Christ arrival delusion they were told to be on the look out for from those who claim to be “as though from us” anointed “apostles” at 2Thess2:1-2.

Like I Know Better, JWs are trained to ignore in the face prophetic indications and warnings of their modern apostate condition, so as to actually think this all just about over now.

By GB lead (Dan11:32a), they couldn’t be further from the truth.

MUCH more has yet to happen, such as the required temple judgment.

For instance, Jehovah’s witnesses MUST “prophesy AGAIN regarding many nations”; (Rev10:11)

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[QUOTE who=”I_know_better_now “] He speeds things up or slows them down for HIS purposes. We are so close now, so brace up for what Jehovah brings. Choose your words wisely, make your best defense for when Jehovah moves everything he touches crumbles. [/QUOTE]

At this time Jehovah shall be SLOWING things down as per Isaiah 38. After JWs get sick to the pijt of dying, and are healed, they shall be given 15 more years of life to then “gitterdone”.

God will be slowing down world government, so that it does not pass the finish line before JWs, and their final warning to come.

All my work as anointed of Jehovah God is from him, so you shall eat your words, you won’t go hungry. I requested all this insight since 2007 EVERY DAY, and lo and behold when God answers a prayer he REALLY answers a prayer, as obviously, no other Jehovah’s witnesses have been petitioning God regularly for prophecy insight.

Hence JWs are stil in the dark, unfaithful and headed to temple judgment. (Dan8:13-14)

That is more evidence to me of why this is true, I simply asked, was approved for that part of the mission, and the lights turned on like nobody’s business. And I request seeing this through until every approved JW of planet Earth is speaking the same “like minded” message, not the GB divisonary contradiction-filled UN NGO BULLSH*T and flip flop factory.

If God approves the final part of mssion, you cannto stop me. In any event, you cannot stop the message, it will emerge from the JW org rubble, GUARANTEED as the basis of the final warning. It is complete in detailed proof of prophecy only God could oversee.

You are the one who better have fun in your little picnic while you can, it soon ends with Daniel 8:13-14 beginning soon.

Will you make the wheat cut of the final temple judgment cycle? It is up to God and your reaction to divine discipline is what will determine if or not you are bundled with the weeds.

JWs have a severe weed problem. The GB is the bag of bad seeds.

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[QUOTE who=”sidgi”]<quoted text>

not at all. I’ve always said that everything Jehovah’s witnesses teach, isn’t a lie. just like all of the things the other religions teach isn’t a lie. Yet the inaccuracies of the other religions aren’t overlooked by the WTBTS and excused by those things they have correct. Why do you believe it should be any different in God’s eyes, when the focus is on the Witness self serving doctrines? Just because they have some of the bible’s teachings correct. That is about as demonstrably hypocritical a stand as any out there, including the religious leaders in Jesus day.[/QUOTE]

WELL DONE.

Then you should also be able to tell JWs took prophecy continuums to the Anglo-American 7th King, to the UN “image” of the 8th King light years ahead of the others.

And thus you should also be able to tell, with such progress NO WAY is God going to allow the GB Scroundrels to abscond the truth progress, NO WAY! You should be able to see the GB is “lifting themselves over everyone”, is involved in mass lawlessness, and is the main “set in opposition” stumblers among JWs, THEY ARE OUR FINAL APOSTASY SIGNAL!

And you can bet God will perform a judgment so HUGE on this apostate JW org so as to be seen by the whole jaw dropped world! It will be Daniel 8:13-14 which is not only very explicit, it is timed so you will have no doubt God has performed that temple judgment parallel on this lawless cabal of JW org RENEGADES “in the temple”.

And to make it even more “son of destruction” shockign in JW betrayals, they will be the main Pied Pipers to lead JWs to prisons, all they can trap in them GPS located “bunkers”, because Satan is with the GB Devil Squad of Daniel 11:32-35.

When the DESTROYER comes into the temple environment HQ for Stephen Lett and Gerritt Loesch, the two main project managers of this subversion, they will need mops, pails and snow shovels to scoop up the smoking goo that God shall make of those FAKES before the eyes of the whole internal CIA/MI6 cabal running this op.

The JW org will go down on CNN, to be seen worldwide is also spiritually smoking volcanic manner, so astounding, as to leave none guessing God has allowed the JW org decimation of Daniel 8:13″trampling” and JWs will be bankrupted and scattered like the scarlet sheep we have become by the lead of demonic men like the dirty GB wolf pack of Satan. (Zech3:1-3)

But it will be recovered, when they come from Rev9 “abyss” that “smoke” will be seen globally, and it will later be explained to be what it is, the timed temple judgment of Daniel 8:13-14, there will be no GB left, not one scrap of their modern UN NGO crap. God shall flush them down the toilet they sprung from, from the Devil’s spiritual sewer they call home.

They will be laid low, and then totally exposed for the devils they have been, from day one of the “lifting themselves” over anointed, and hi-jacking the place. Good riddance. (Isa66:6; Zech3:4-5)

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Well she knows the GB is illegal and corrupt. If only all JWs felt the same we, we could run the ruinous GB out on hot rails if that was the case.

Instead, God’s Destroyer will run them out on hot rails as Daniel 8:13-14.

JWs have been misled by the GB MOL to:

1. Join the UN System as UN NGO

2. And that while trying to tell us UN 1990, UN 3, is not a prophecy.

3. Idolize the GB and the JW organ.

4. Justify brazen lawless GB policies.

The GB are the “apostates” and impostors, no need to associate with those doomed devils. (2Thess2:1-4; Zech3:1-5)

They will not make it past 3.19 years of the Daniel 8:13-14 temple judgment. God has fired them, to make it official it shall become literal. (Isa66:6)

The GB are the epitome of hypocrite lawlessness, and the greed of the robbers running the temple a little hile longer.

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[QUOTE who=”Samson”]<quoted text>

Again “why would an elder?”

Who cares? Elevating men has left you in a very perilous situation yourself. Yet you still do it.

Repent!
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Nonsense. The JW org is coming under a global liquidation operation being carried out by the real King North GLOBALISTS whom JWs cover up for by GB lead. (Dan11:32a)

It is coming just as Bethel said in WT7/15/15 because they have been in on it from day one, 1976. It is an intel based corporate espionage infiltration now meeting its purpose. (Dan8:13-14) Because JWs have two-timed God’s Kingdom and God and Christ for a UN NGO (Dan8:13 “transgression causing desolation” to JW org first), God will give over the org for a “trampling”. (1Pet4:17)

JWs will be led to bunker traps for incarceration or worse. (Matt24:15)

You best repent and get with the prophecy program, God ain’t taking GB and JW hypocrisy much longer.

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That Malawi vs. Mexico thing is what we call an engineered disaster placed by the CIA/MI6 GB along with a few other timebombs still yet to blow up the JW org.

The Wallkill facility will be given to the globalists. The entire JW org meltdown is an internal espionage operation as per Daniel 8:12 and Daniel 11:30-35. It has all been planned for a serious season of JW blowback we are now seeing going off like a Web Volcano.

This forms public sentiment against JWs and JW org, so when it is sacked, no one aids JWs. As per the whole 1Peter4:15-16 lead in about not being involved in criminal activity is now displayed by the criminal GB, so when 1Peter4:17 comes the suffering will NOT be for a “Kingdom of God stand”, but for actual criminal activity merely meeting the justice of God, as usual by use of secular prosecutions and seizures of the JW org.

GB wants to sell the prosecution events as “persecution”, but it is all for very real criminal activity “in the temple” hence 2Thess2:1-4.

It will really be Daniel 8:13-14 temple judgment. Timed for future proof which you can gauge as JW org goes down on CNN for all to watch.

The GB is selling JWs a smokescreen snow job to make it look like “the end” and as if they are suffering for being Christian, when they are just going down as the criminal thieving rats they are, finally. (Isa66:6; Matt22:1-4)

The GB has been CIA/MI6 infiltration unit since day 1, 1976. Fred Franz and Nathan Knorr were the first target to depose. Now the Devil anointed GB runs the JW ministry, not anointed Christians. (Zech3:1-3)

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We got to admit, even if we are Jehovah’s witnesses right in the GB sewer, that the GB is lawless and are the main problem causing stumbling in the JW ministry. They are rotten to the core, Satanic men.

(2 Peter 2:2-3) . . .Furthermore, many will follow their acts of loose conduct, and on account of these the way of the truth will be spoken of abusively. 3 Also, with covetousness they will exploit YOU with counterfeit words. But as for them, the judgment from of old is not moving slowly, and the destruction of them is not slumbering.

There is no “reform” for the GB, just JWs. The GB shall be destroyed by God beyond question of its Isa66:6 “evening” phase climax of Daniel 8:13-14,26.

Christ personally fires the GB from “in the temple”, as the judgment only STARS with JWs.

Astounding jaw-dropping events are coming on the JW org and GB, destructive liquidation events for UN NGO main sin. But don’t worry, you can catch every explosion of the JW org global-liquidation on CNN every step of the way. (Matt24:15) Flee the deadly JW org trap NOW!!!!

Mark your calendar when JW org goes down, because Daniel 8:13-14 is timed for a reason: future undeniable PROOF.

The GB is doomed, they will be demoted to a pile of Destroyer’s ashes. God is going to make a very good “bad example” of the GB, it will be a divine BBQ. (Isa66:6; Isa31:8-9; Hos1:4-7)

It will mark modern prophecy going into global LIVE fulfillment as the first of the seven trumpet map to world government to trigger Christ arrival.

 

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Why axe Ray Franz?

1. To keep the 20 year glitch at the 1914 back end, which can be based on 607 BCE Nebuchadnezzar crown princing at the least.

2. To truncate the “torch” pass from Fred Franz to Ray Franz, the two top Bible experts at Bethel. When 1992 came and Fred Franz die the GB could join the UN System UN NGO covenants, while no one said a peep a failed USSR cannot be King North, only 3rd UN marked globalist world government system of globalization can now meet King North criteria of Daniel 11:36.

So UN NGO was adjoined (Dan8:13 “transgression causing desolation” to the JW org soon) and not a peep what a failed USSR entails in Daniel 8 and 11. Now JWs have been subverted concerning post-1990 and GB apostasy details in Daniel 8 and 11 which are parallel with the post-Cold War period fo the now silenced 3rd UN event and matching prophecy of 1990. (Dan11:31; Dan8:23)

No Ray Franz, no updates.

Now God must squash the GB like a bug, and JW org like the UN NGO roadkill it is. It will be Daniel 8:13-14, the real Daniel 8:13-14 not Bethel’s fake decoy version.

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[quote=’StarTemple’ pid=’79218′ dateline=’1469416393′]
The entire ATS site is a “shill”, it has been an op from day one. So that was a nice diversion as if a shill was “infiltrating” an otherwise unbiased site, when ATS is a shill HQ. ATS is suspect, they filter deeper analysis first off, they tow the party line as a cover. Even the name sounds like some bad CIA idea, to appeal to kids. It is filtered and well below deeper explanations. BTS
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Thanks for saving me the time of having to read the stories on the site to find out. I instantly raised my eyebrow considering the actual name of the site has the same name of Jim Marr’s book. If you’ve read it, which I have, you’ll find it’s just a lot of disinfo.
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Yes there is plenty of the standard disinfo onion layers there. Now if you do hit something unknown for now, or on target in reality, all of a sudden it’s gone, and you can’t login. Now the thing I was barely getting into, but it is real, is way off the map of modern conspiracy radar, yet it drew some purge and bar red flag?

At least, a sincere wannabe site won’t even notice that stuff. Btw, to prove it, just watch what happens to the Jehovah’s witnesses organization, you’ll be able to see it on CNN. It is going into a pre-planned “self-fulfilling prophecy” smokescreened global liquidation in the 20 billion dollar corporate religious empire scale. Now that is small scale in comparison to the whole religious complex slated for liquidation under full world government.

But when something that “out there” as far as unheard of in conspiracy circles got purged at BOTH ATS and JWN (an anti-JW scandal site), I knew it was on someone’s radar, it was not threatening or offensive analysis at all. But it is true, and it will be soon verifiable right on CNN, as part of the larger overall global “end of the world” HOAX the globalists have been cooking up for a while now.

Now just make a mental note. It will be a sideshow in comparison to the forming global context intensifications to provide the proper “global back drop”, but they are attempting to fully take the JW org down at designed global scale, it has been infiltrated from before the 40s, and it will be used to give the needed “doomsday impression”, but one portion of it overall, but a big one. Only problem is there is no “doomsday”, they resolve the final world war into world government upon the same formulaic principle as in WW1, WW2, Cold WW3, albeit this time bigger than them all combined, probably 100 million killed the first couple years of engagement, and most of that non-combatants.

They could ‘Kill Bill’ and still have 6 billion left over, IT AINT “doomsday” and it AINT THE “END OF THE WORLD” either, it is the global problem cycle to run before the global solution phase of full world government. (They have already popped off over 3000 nukes, so a few nukes too is nothing)

BUT, to many folks it sure is going to LOOK like doomsday, I can tell you that. Shock (doomsday), Awe, Relief (global hope), =World Government.

Taking JWs down is just risk management lest someone might up and connect it all to Revelation 13:3 and Revelation 17:8-12 accidentally live and real-time, because at this time JWs are stalled, in coma and 30 years OUT OF DATE as far as modern prophecy is concerned. They have missed the entire globalization era meaning, and that too is by internally aided “design”. And why in part is that, besides the JW org crawlign with CIA/MI6 from top to bootm? Well, JWs are TOO BUSY checking for “the end of the world” every 5 minutes, 24/7/365/3650/36500.

It is just time to finish what they are there to do, that is internal intel in the JW org. (Now WHY would ATS take this down??, it seems crazy and totally innocuous random speculation. (I did go into some deeper detail, but still.)

What is amazing is things like “before its news” and ATS are 90% disinformation that will actually aid that doomsday HOAX development in their sector of fertilizing the exact expectation. Most “alternative news” is all just globalist Kindergarten disnfo. DO NOT BUY THE HOAX! Just ride the storm out. It’s only going to get more and more amazing when that world war ends, I can tell you that, it will be well well beyond anything the Hollywood psychos could conjure up, because it will become the real thing. (And I don’t mean doomsday, I just mean the powers that REALLY “BE” sort of manifesting too, not these globalist and Satanic realm hacks that gotta go.)

Jot it down, watch JW org go down within 3 years of the initial corporate assault. Soon to start, btw. (I am not saying they will be 100% successful at the anti-JW-org op, but they will give it a 100% effort. I think it will pop back up from the smoke and ashes, but not near being in the form it is in now, e.g. JWs can kiss 20 billion dollars good bye, for instance;

As SOP, btw, most JWs have no idea the JW org has channelled 30 billion in JW loot and ROI, 10 billion already skimmed, 20 billion in cash, investments, and global hard properties. Most JWs have not a clue how much money their slave labor (and hefty donations under the “giving to God” motivator) has helped build up just since 1980, those figures are very conservative estimate. You could amp it up another 30% and it could be doable given the scale of free labor they ahve employed for this mogul purpose.)

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[QUOTE who=”happyand free”]<quoted text>

Do you REALLY believe it is Jehovah’s”visible earthly congregation”? Do you think He would constantly allow change after change in beliefs? We can still be close to God and not be a part of the organization, which has proved to be nothing more than regular people like you and me running things. The Bible says if we ask for Gods spirit, he will give it to us.

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Hmmm. Do you REALLY believe it is Jehovah’s”visible earthly congregation”?

Well, Israel pulled the same trick adding to the Mosaic law many burdens like the GB Pharisses are also guilty of, and yet they were still “God’s organization”.

So, to prove Jehovah’s witnesses are again “God’s organization” gone bad, they will have to “trampled” just like Israel suffered.

It does not mean they or Israel was not “God’s organization”. It means if you are “God’s organization” you can expect a heavier judgment, not a license for free lawlessness like JWs condone in the criminal GB hooligan cabal since 1976 first “lifting themselves over everyone” at Bethel.

The GB is a red flag from day one, they are our modern Pharisees in “God’s organization”, so bad they have many doubting that it is “God’s organization” regardless if it has an apostasy such as this UN NGO allied one current in JWs.

So when you see Daniel 8:13-14 trample and sack the JW org required and permitted by God, you can know, rather, it IS “God’s organization” and at times he has had to decimate “his organization” for disciplinary purposes to set it straight.

The liquidation fo the JW org will therefore, prove it is “God’s organization” because it has to recover in time (Dan8:14), even if the appearance of the judgment seems it is a curse of God. It is, but only temporary. (Zech3:1-5)

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[QUOTE who=”Analytical7″]<quoted text>
Your prophecies are weird..

The WTBTS was never a member of the UN nor had a seat. In 1991 we registered as a Non-Governmental Organization (NGO) in order to gather its statistics and information on population, disease, and hunger. They had quite an extensive library. However, during our 10 year tenure as a NGO, the information granted to us was “useless” in all aspects. The UN began requiring its members and its affiliates including Non-Governmental Organizations, to adhere to their agenda. In 2001 the WTS declined to renew as a “NGO” and we never looked back.
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The prophecy says it will be WIERD all right:

(Isaiah 28:21) For Jehovah will rise up just as at Mount Perazim, he will be agitated just as in the low plain near Gibeon, that he may do his deed—his deed is strange—and that he may work his work—his work is unusual.

The “weird work”, that “strange deed”, that “unusual work” is the trampling of the JW org for UN NGO “transgression causing desolation” to the JW org in the future as Daniel 8:13-14.

You are already reacting to the WEIRDNESS of this whole development even before JW org is liquidated. And to fulfill Isaiah 28 in this JW temple judgment (1Pet4:17) God now requires this “desolation” “evening” phase of Daniel 8:13-14,26, the abyss JWs plunge into Rev9 abyss, in final form.

I refer to the UN System, of which the UN Secretariat administers the United Nations Department of Public Information (UN DPI) of which the UN NGO’s and UN IGO’s are part whatisi known as the “United Nations System”.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_System

Jehovah’s witnesses did in fact join the United Nations System associations, it is a big sin, and are now OSCE-like UN lobby groups internationally for UN global law promotions. The UN NGO was just the first WTBTS seat on the wild beast, just the start of the relationship which now continues as “UN consultation status” is now in league with the UN Inter-Governmental Agencies. (UN IGOs)

So WTBTS has been promoted, while givign the appearance they were kicked out of the UN NGO system due to reproaching the UN System.
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[QUOTE who=”I_know_better_now “]

Now BJ, You say you believe God’s people are Jehovah’s Witnesses. You are correct with that conclusion. But do YOU think it is proper to form an attitude against Christ’s Brothers when you cannot be 100% sure which ONE has betrayed Christ and Jehovah? YOU are taking a stand against CHRIST’S brothers because you say they are imposters. Do YOU think Christ will be OK with opposing HIS brothers?

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I think Christ FIRST commendation is what I think:

(Revelation 2:2) . . .‘I know your deeds, and your labor and endurance, and that you cannot bear bad men, and that you put those to the test who say they are apostles, but they are not, and YOU FOUND THEM liars.

The GB are LIARS. Our modern fake “apostles”. Christ commends testing all apostles, plain as day, pat on the back NUMBER ONE in Revelation inspection of the “seven” congregations of the whole “congregation of the firstborn”.

You find the GB to be truthful? You better start to test them apostles too.

True anointed brothers of Christ would have nothing to do with the UN, period, in no way shape or form would a UN association such as that UN NGO garbage be connected to Jehovah’s witnesses. Over their dead body is the ONLY way a UN NGO would stick its phallus into JWs.

The GB are rottento the core, impostors. (Dan11:32a) If I had a tomato and was at an asembly, Lett woudl get it in the face.

If GB were anointed they are now evil slave, more likely they are BY NOW all intel actors, the impostors noted in prophecy at Daniel 8:12, 11:32a. “certain men have slipped in” is what they are.

(Jude 3-4) Beloved ones, though I was making every effort to write you about the salvation we hold in common, I found it necessary to write you to exhort you to put up a hard fight for the faith that was once for all time delivered to the holy ones. 4 My reason is that certain men have slipped in who have long ago been appointed by the Scriptures to this judgment, ungodly men, turning the undeserved kindness of our God into an excuse for loose conduct and proving false to our only Owner and Lord, Jesus Christ.

And there you have? The “Governing Body of Jehovah’s witnesses”. The men who “slipped in”,plain and simple.
JWs hopping on the wild beast is definitely weird alright.

WTBTS did not “decline”, they were “disassociated from the UN system” due to bad press and reflecting negatively on the UN. UN kicked JWs out, THEN WTBTS “withdrew”. You better do your research, the desolation of the JW org is now required by God.

The time for the “strange deed” to pay the UN NGO sin bill has come. (Dan8:13-14; Zech3:1-5; 1Pet4:!7) It STARTS the final cycle of rpophecy, it is NOT “the end of the world” which is Bethel’s 2Thess2:1-2 smokescreen to sell to JWs, to lead to JW bunkers, to throw them in prisons, or worse. (Dan11:32a; Zech11)

JW UN NGO Prophecy, Information and Details
http://templelijah.wordpress.com/more-temple-judgment/the-jw-un-ngo-transgression-causing-desolation-connection-to-the-disgusting-thing-causing-desolation/

JW UN NGO – Tip of the Iceberg of Bethel Subversion
http://templelijah.wordpress.com/flee/jw-un-ngo-tip-of-the-iceberg-of-bethel-subversion/

UN NGO: What the United Nations of Non-Governmental Organizations Global Expansion System Really Is
https://templelijah.wordpress.com/gb-8k-infiltration/un-jw-infiltration-notes/un-ngo-what-the-united-nations-of-non-governmental-organizations-global-expansion-system-really-is/

How UN NGO Bethel Joined the “UN System” under the “UN Secretariat” Principal UN Organ
https://templelijah.wordpress.com/gb-8k-infiltration/un-jw-infiltration-notes/how-un-ngo-bethel-joined-the-un-system-under-the-un-secretariat-principal-un-organ/

When UN NGO Bethel Placed The Disgusting Thing
https://jwupdate.wordpress.com/2015/03/27/when-did-un-ngo-bethel-placed-the-disgusting-thing/

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[QUOTE who=”I_know_better_now “]. But do YOU think it is proper to form an attitude against Christ’s Brothers when you cannot be 100% sure which ONE has betrayed Christ and Jehovah? YOU are taking a stand against CHRIST’S brothers because you say they are imposters. Do YOU think Christ will be OK with opposing HIS brothers?

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Insignificant? The GB has “lifted themselves over everyone” in STELLAR blasphemous proportions!

That G “body” “lift themselves over” the anointed body of the Christ. The days of anointed leading the JW ministry died with Fred Franz in 1992.

When the MOL “lifts himself” “IN the temple” he is usurping true anointed for the Satanic anointed like the GB fully “set in opposition” to the truth.

You can knock them rats all you want!!!!

There is NO anointed Christian input in JW ministry since Fred Franz died, you better start to be honest with yourself.

That is the whole point of the “set in opposition” “man of lawlessness” “in the temple”, they demote and override former true anointed “in the temple”; and that is what we have in JWs since Fred Franz died, GB MOL override to the point they joined the UN System as UN NGO, while CONCEALING the UN 1990 3rd placement of Daniel 11:31b, Daniel 8:23.

Be honest.

MOL is who runs the JW ministry now. Christ brothers they certainly are NOT. Are you crazy? UN NGO, pedophiles, shunning, money laundering???? Christ brothers??? YEAH RIGHT!

WTBTS is now a cave of robbers. And in the same manner they will be kicked out FIRST in the judgment process. (1Pet4:17; Dan8:13-14; Zech3:1-5)

You can talk blue in the face, or you can do what you are supposed to do and check Daniel 8:13-14 in the future. Then you can try tell me the JW org did not go under 3.19 years of desolations when that “evening” phase is completed.

Then you shall see in “the morning” of Daniel 8:14,26.

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You can bicker about your position you are taking and you can say you are justified by your own reasoning. Christ though does not care about your reasoning. He cares about his anointed BROTHERS.

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I plainly state I am Christ brother, anointed as Jehovah’s witnesses well understand it. I point out GB UN and sins galore. Yet you OPPOSE me. I am insignificant, but in time you will know what you were really dealing with when Daniel 8:13-14 comes true in front of your blinded face.

You are supporting the wrong guys at this time. You are doing the very thing you are saying not to do. But I am too insignificant in comparison to your Golden Calf shining GB.

(John 7:24) . . .Stop judging from the outward appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.”

You make the very foul you try to coach others to avoid. Why? Bad GB association and influence, that is why. (Dan11:32a)

You ain’t getting nowhere with the tack you are taking. In time all approved JWs will speak this same message. It is NOT “overnight” except symbolically (Dan8:14,26), so you will eventually catch on, you won’t have any other choice but to accept Daniel 8:13-14 for what it is: the modern temple judgment, on JWs, first. (1Pet4:17)

 

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[QUOTE who=”Michaelangelo1992″]<quoted text>

I’m wondering how your role will turn out. Do you consider yourself a prophet of Jehovah?

When are you dating the fall of Jerusalem. Jerusalem fell in 529 BCE. The Persians added 82 fake years to their timeline and lying historians don’t want to correct it. What’s your take on it?[/QUOTE]

Well something was up, from the article “Penny’s Disassociation Letter”, I assume by a sister named Penny, the 7 times “pebble in the shoe” got revisited as the end of this whole 3rd to 4th UN Daniel 8 and 11 update was going on about 4 years. (All I am updating is post 1990 3rd UN presentation in prophecy in Daniel 8 and 11 JW current prophecy subversions led by the GB 1944-1976 development in Temple Tyranny; Dan11:32a)

Now the 3rd UN is that 1990 event the UN NGO GB would have JWs and the world believe was insignificant and not a prophecy, but it was Daniel 11:31 and Daniel 8:23. They are COVERING UP that 3rd UN event as prophecy so no one figures out UN1-2 (1919,1945) connects to UN3-4, UN1-2-3-4 all the way to world government “proves successful until the denunciation comes to a finish” as per Daniel 11:36.

So they are covering up a King South portion USSR nation-state based bloc is NOT King North UN pushing globalists made obvious in 1990 by a “most fortified stronghold” in the USSR crumbling at the King North globalists feet as per Daniel 11:36-39. Thus those suspicious apostasy, infiltration and subversion portions of Daniel 8:11-14,23-25 and Daniel 11:30-35 is all that GB led (Dan11:32a) subversion activity “in the temple” as the “lawless one” MOL, in the unique “different the last time” (Dan11:29) of the end of the Cold War period.

But when that got wrapped up that “20 year” 607-586 Bethel glitch which requires a time travel to make true according to the Bethel now major stumbling block for others…:

Examining the Bethel “Time Machine”
(Jerusalem Exile=Destruction? 607 BCE versus 586 BCE Dating—All’s Good! All’s Well, Couldn’t Be Better!)
https://jwupdate.wordpress.com/2015/11/17/607-bce-versus-586-bce-dating-alls-good-alls-well-couldnt-be-better/

…started to unravel based on ideas Penny brought forth in here disassociation letter, wherein the temple completion marked terminus was at the end of a 70 year span from 586 BCE to 516 BCE, and 607-539 “seven times” as the first 70 years was still the general “gentile” aided dysfunctional “trampling” marked by King Neb’s dynasty.

607 can affirmed from a “gentile time” benchmark of Neb’s crown princing (607), wherein even from Josiah and on to Zedekiah gentiles had been disrupting and “trampling” the natural flow and Davidic Kings of Jerusalem. (607 BCE does not require a total-destruction event of Jerusalem to mark the start of the Jerusalem Kings “trampling” which intensified to that condition over the last 20 years of Jeremiah’s warnings, 609 BCE (Jehoahaz deposition warning) to 586 BCE (total Jerusalem destruction)).

Basically, the prophetic trampling in a first “seven times” seventy years starting, to be marked by “GENTILE times” based on Babylon as plainly stated in Daniel 4, was present from Jehoahaz to Zedekiah in gradually intensifying form, since Jerusalem was low priority compared to Neb deposing Assyria and Egypt. So it took time to reach the last resort in total Jerusalem destruction as the ignored all warnings from Jeremiah and the abuses laid upon their final “bad” kings (Jehoahaz to Zedekiah, all “bad”).

Jerusalem “downward spiraled” to destruction is what it is, Jeremiah’s warning was valid, they could have submitted to Babylon and the “seven times” still would still have been able to fulfill on Babylon’s 70 years, and Jerusalem’s simultaneous parallel, but in non-destructive form. Instead, like apostate Bethel of today, the refused to repent, and they did not respond to God’s warnings from the prophets and from the downward spiral of their condition.

I summarized it all in this final report, which harmonizes the shift to REQUIRED strict “gentile times” upon Babylon first (not Jerusalem which is not a “gentile” symbol), and this is supposed to be about Gentile times, that is GENTILE history and date tracking which is easier to accomplish than those of the rather ambiguous Jerusalem timings from Josiah to Zedekiah:

“Seven Times” Updates Coming—”Appointed Times of the Nations” Reconsidered, Again
https://templelijah.wordpress.com/2015/12/29/seven-times-updates-coming-appointed-times-of-the-nations-reconsidered-again/

I am doing this for AFTER the removal of the GB and the AFTER the JW org desolation of Daniel 8:13-14, so JWs can get back on track quickly after we are punished and recovered to allow the final 1260 day warning to come forth “again” as per Revelation 10:11.

At some point JWs must repent from GB led prophecy marked apostasy and explain the prophecy the Bethel impostors and apostates fulfill after Destroyer fries them from “in the temple” to end the “evening” phase of the temple judgment of Daniel 8:13-14 parallel Zechariah 3:1-5, which brings us to a true “temple completion” of Revelation 14,which is the very place that 586 BCE to 516 BCE second Jerusalem Temple completion phase led to.

At that time Joshua was crowned “king-priest” by a covert method so as not to raise Medo-Persian suspicion in Zechariah 6:9-15, which is the Christ King-Priest crowning (and headstone temple completion of Zech4 parallel to Rev11) to come after the 1260 days has “finished their witnessing” (Rev11:7) and the world government complete “ascension” has taken place as per Revelation 11:7, Rev17:8-12 in the final global UN centered presentation after this coming final world war “sword stroke” phase has completed as per Revelation 13:3.

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[QUOTE who=”little lamb”]PS … not only interested that we are ‘ gods garden [paradise] under cultivation ‘

but the tree of life in the garden [paradise] is Jesus

He is the tree of wisdom , Prov 3 [18] It [wisdom] is a tree of life to those taking hold of it , and those keeping fast hold are to be called happy ‘

Interesting this tree of life is in Paradise [garden]

Jesus is in his people in his Body .[/QUOTE]

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Jesus is to become the “Eternal Father” to something “children”, it is not anointed for God is the Father of them and all, ultimately.

Now in Isaiah 54 we find the implied “Bride of Christ” is the “Eternal Mother” and she shall not be single and barren forever. It is now an UNMARRIED state, but at completion of “Eternal Father” and “Eternal Mother” MARRIED, then the “children” are also to be “reborn” but for the earthly perfection that all up to John the Baptist have been shown to “meek shall inherit the earth” as Last Adam is a sinless and perfected in obedience human being, first.

The Edenic Paradise MUST be restored and go global. Satan and the sinners scrapped the project, not God.

Human being are who Christ is the “Eternal Father” of in his Last Adam form, by his “wife” the “Eternal Mother” as the will on earth is AS IN heaven, it perfect reflection, but in this creation of Earth to restore all things under that “marriage” arrangement and its gigantic global family of all creation.

That is why is Revelation 21-22 these thing “come down from heaven” to planet Earth.

But we also know the GB apostasy does try to impede people who are beign offered the position designate of the “bride”, we still encourage partaking, because they are depleting anointed (Matt25:1-13).

But the “harvest of the earth” sheep, do not have to “partake” now, why?

Because they can actually BECOME the “bread from heaven” and the “wine” of perfect blood life power as perfect HUMAN BEINGS. THAT is how they “partake”, they become the reality of the things that Christ’s body and blood perfect human sacrifice reality is SYMBOLIZED as in the “bread and wine”.

It does NOT stay “bread and wine” as mere symbols and physical things forever, in time human beings can BECOME the “bread” (perfect body) and the “wine” ( “soul” and life force in blood as a whole) in God purpose fulfilled REALITY on Earth in the planetary Garden of God.

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This is why too, Christ’s sacrifice is ALSO not just blood, but sanctified BODY as well, a whole human being picture:

(Hebrews 10:10) . . .By the said “will” we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all time.

The blood of atonement allows sins to be forgiven to allow the necessary time to apply also the perfect “body” as the perfect human being to earthly beneficiaries of the HUMAN sacrifice of Jesus Christ, given to God for the purpose of global application to all potential human subjects either delivered alive as a “harvest of the earth” “great crowd”, or in resurrection from the dead.

“Great crowd” is NOT “one flock”, a crowd is mixed, some people will “wash their [existing lives; robes in the blood” live and real-time, as Christ will save far more than even just Christians in Revelation 14:6-7, it is a mix, a “crowd”, that comes under his power as many shall “see the light” for REAL in that time period.

We have all these examples in Paul and other Bible “big salvation” principles in Romans 2, and other places. Them people are too newbie to be anointed, but they can be saved as eye witnesses of this final period as per “regard that day with wonder” as per 2Thess1:6-10.

Earth is where this contriversy played out, and Earth has been God’s main target since he laid the “ternal purpose” in his Christ-to-be from Genesis 3:15 forward. This is going to be HUGE, multi-realm and, well beyond even human imaginings.

(1 Corinthians 2:9-10) . . .“Eye has not seen and ear has not heard, neither have there been conceived in the heart of man the things that God has prepared for those who love him.” 10 For it is to us God has revealed them through his spirit, for the spirit searches into all things, even the deep things of God.

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[QUOTE who=”little lamb”]<quoted text>

It is interesting because in the Song of Sol , the beloved girl is called a ‘ garden sealed up ‘

And ” Awake O north wind , and come in O South wind . Breathe upon my garden . Let the perfumes trickle .”

A sweet odor of Christ …..

And when you think of the first resurrection , it is the bride , because its only through the bride that the resurrection occurs

Jesus commanded his disciples to heal the sick, raise the dead and preach the gospel…this is to be done by the Body of Christ …

And I still have a lot of things to think about , because baptism is likened to being baptized into Jesus death and being resurrected to a newness of life …these words are very symbolic and we are born again , persons ….is this the first resurrection …born again persons

The brides mother is heavenly Jerusalem , and in the song of sol , she is called by the groom his sister his dear one …its the bride that is used by Christ to do the works he did even greater …

its fitting all the pieces together ….for the light gets brighter and brighter until the morning star arises in our hearts .

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Yes. It is amazing that the Bible really is God’s Word so it has many details that totally harmonize into the reality.

JWs have a GB enforced problem with the current Daniel 4 “tree”, but it has a “sprout” that restores the “tree” “sure to you” and God was speaking to the main Babylon “gentile” symbol and rival king.

The ultimate truth is the “tree” is the gentile kingdom about to be destroyed at the end of the “seven times” of Rev11 2witnesses x 1260 days, past and future final warnings.

But since in Revelation 11:15 Christ assumes the “kingdom of the world” the “gentile” “tree” is taken over by him, as two seals are fully removed, and the “gentiles” have their kingdom saved for them, but in the form of Christ’s “last Adam” restoration, as they must become the fullest “Israel” total human population pattern of which the 144,000 are “out of” them overall 12 tribes.

In final form the re-creation is “judging the 12 tribes of Israel” (Matt19:28) which are the human parallels of Ezekiel 47’s “twelve tribes”, but to be “guided to waters of life” by the Rev7 “out of” 12 tribes, as 12 is also in the “woman’s 12 starred crown” as all these things are the Ephesians “an administration” to gather ALL THINGS in heaven AND earth, as it is all 12 based parallels, such is in the holy city in Rev21. All kinds of “12’s” converging into one “administration” with an “eternal purpose”.

So there is just some final refinements, not trying to dump the whole baby and the bathwater as far as Jehovah’s witnesses development is concerned. The “second witnessing” to emerge after the coming temple judgment into the “right condition”, must merely make a small set of final clarifications. JWs need an update in all post 1990 UN details, etc, as well.

The GB is a stall that went 100% when Fred Franz died, in the early 90s they took over fully. (Dan11:32a; dan8:12)

No wonder they went UN NGO and CONCEAL that 1990 3rd UN prophecy of Daniel 11:31b and Daniel 8:23. NO WONDER!!!! IT is NO accident! It is out final prophetic major latest apostasy signal, “in the temple”.

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The GB is an enemy in the JW system, they sow in the core controversy and scandals to try to get people to chuck the baby and their dirty apostate bathwater. But as per the way God has done this, he just uses big events for final refinements, since the days of the apostles the thing has been a work in progress. But it is in progress, it gets “brighter and brighter” in that daystar meaning.

And by Revelation 10:5-8 final directive of “little scroll” it MUST be fully summarized and harmonized and to go global, again (rev10:11):

(Revelation 10:6-7) . . .: “There will be no delay any longer; 7 but in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to blow his trumpet, the sacred secret of God according to the good news which he declared to his own slaves the prophets is indeed brought to a finish.”

This final Admic era refinement phase is to be part of the final warning to come from the JW judgment (Dan8:13-14) we are seeing easily required due to GB “man of lawlessness” override (Zech3:1-3), they have to be removed, the GB entity is illegal, and cannot be “reformed”, it is bad from day 1, 1976. BAD

And even after Christ arrives, we are involved in a divine development that will take time and will have to proceed one day at a time, one step at a time, it is simply the way God has always done what He does, perfectly, scheduled by divine wisdom, and regularly carried out to the total 1Cor15:24-28 ultimate goal context.

Removal of the GB obstacle will allow the full wrap up truth to coem forth.

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[QUOTE who=”rsss1″]

So there wroong on soooo many fronts,do you think they could be wrong on theology also,adding and subtrating things out of the bible, to cover ups and so on…….like I said my brain isn’t at the head quarters any more…..I had lots of fear also[/QUOTE]

I think the reason why this has targeted JWs now is because they have a lot correct, they were completing the world power progression to the “8th King”, so ti was time to truncate the progress.

As per Daniel 11:32a I feel the GB is NOT random corruption, but purposely developed subversion steering wheel front men. they are IN ON IT.

The reason is JWs are not 100% wrong, they like other religions they have a lot correct, more than the others imo.

So when the GB raises doubts “here”, it has a discrediting effect “over there”, in time people start to question everything, and that is their goal:

1. To STUMBLE as many as possible;

2. To partner JWs with the UN and heavy REAL sins >>>AND<<< crimes.

3. To discredit the WHOLE THING as the main effect.

That si why although I do say Daniel 8:13-14 is future, and the “trampling” is of the JW org for a modern visible prophecy “benchmark”, I feel once the GB is GONE FOR GOOD, JWs will also recover what has been lost.

BUT it will not be easy, it will require action, and it will take time and repentance and full admission of sins and crimes.

Now if this all just came from an external exposer after WJ org went down, it would just be one more external missile being fired into Camp Bethel Apostasy.

BUT

But if it comes from JWs own mouth in full admission, global APOLOGIES and the condemnation of the GB for what they are as illegal temple rats, amidst a SMASHED JW org in heavy discipline, then it could be very convincing to some that it really is the start of the final propehcy cycle, and Revelation basically repeats in final form its “seven trumpet” map to world governemtn and Christ arrival.

Then JWs can

1. Repent fully, and update the post 1990 subversion cover ups, like UN 3 (1990) and UN 4 to be world government in the then future. UN1-2-3-4 as one 1919 to future UN prophecy continuum that it actually is.

2. Give a full warning “AGAIN” (Rev10:11), before “8th King”/King North world government completes to trigger the Christ arrival.

At this time these are the very things being omitted from the JW ministry, it is a sin also of omission.

Once the GB is removed by God, the “set in opposition” main obstacle (2Thess2:1-4) and liars (Rev2:2) will be removed aiding recovery.

JWs are just the most recent example of a brazen apostasy foretold in explicit terms and 3rd UN 1990 context of Daniel 8:11-14,23 and Daniel 11:30-35,41. In general terms it is Zechariah 3:1-3 and the eventual temple judgemnt of Daniel 8:13-14 as Revelation 8:3-7. The first trumnpet is the Rev8:3-5 “fire of the alter” temple judgemtn and purification of the future.

The GB has to be removed by divine force now. (2Thess2:9; Zech3:4-5; Isa66:6)

But they won’t go easy or fast, I think it is at the 3.19 year point of the Daniel 8:14 future temple judgment timing. That si why Daniel 8is also part of the GB “throw truth to the earth” of Daniel 8:12b, along with that USSR=KN Daniel 11 DECOY diversion.

I feel the GB is from the enemy system (KN symbol; globalists), and are IN ON IT “in the temple”, it is an infiltration, an expert operation. (Dan11:30b,31a,32a; Dan8:11-12)

To smokescreen it to JWs, they just use that premature “end of the world” HOAX as per 2Thess2:1-2. This way they can crush the JW org, and paralyze JWs by just saying “it is the total end of the world brothers! Look NO further!”

And for some time (Dan8:14), many JWs will actually think it is “the end”, they will be TOTALLY FOOLED, and they will become trapped in them “JW bunkers” for prisons and worse. (Zech11 prophecy, the “flock meant for the killing”)

The GB is pure EVIL!

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[QUOTE who=”rsss1″]

So there wroong on soooo many fronts,do you think they could be wrong on theology also,adding and subtrating things out of the bible, to cover ups and so on…….like I said my brain isn’t at the head quarters any more…..I had lots of fear also[/QUOTE]

Yes, they are covering up UN 3.0, 1990, which is Daniel 11:31b, Daniel 8:23.

JWs explained UN 1 (1919; League), and UN 2(1945) as prophecy correctly, it is the globalist UN “image” steps to world government.

So it stands to reason, if God foretold UN1-2, he surely also foretold UN 3, and UN 4 as world government. It is really UN1-2-3-4;

But since UN 3, 1990, is being covered up and OFF the JW prophecy radar, JWs do not see UN1-2-3-4 as world government in full is the final UN 4 prophecy. (Dan8:25; Dan11:45-12:11; Rev17:8-13; Rev13:3,15-18)

Instead, the GB went UN NGO, while CONCEALING the truth that 3rd UN event of 1990 post-Cold War UN speeches and presentations is ALSO a third UN prophecy.

Now they got a checkmate sin among JWs and JW org allowing the “trampling” of Daniel 8:13-14, and they are covering up a major UN prophecy, Dan8:12b “throwing truth to the earth”.

FYI, that UN NGO is in Daniel 8:13, it is the “TRANSGRESSION causing desoaltion” to the JW org soon. That UN deal will mean God will permit the JW org to be sacked.

And it is timed in Daniel 8:13-14, 3.19 years minimum “evening” phase (Dan8:26), probably a full 6.38 2300 day desolation to eventual recovery overall timing. But it si timed to help future understanding og Dan8:13-14, for time verification in the first prophecy to start the final cycle of prophecy. (1Pet4:17)

Keep your eyes on JWorg and Daniel 8:13-14. JW will go down soon, GUARANTEED, even the GB is priming JWs to expect this as per WT7/15/15; WT 11/15/13.

Except the GB will not tell JWs it is a temple judgment and Daniel 8:13-14 prophecy, they will tell JWs it is “the end of it all brothers! Look no further! Head to the bunkers (so we can take you to FEMA)!”

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[QUOTE who=”I_know_better_now “]<quoted text>

The GB is NOT the Christian congregation. The Christian congregation can go on without them if it had to. We are to support the Christian Congregation. Christ has the ‘stars’ in HIS hands does he not? You are fear mongering. Jehovah’s people have nothing to worry about. It is people like you that have everything to worry about.

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There is only one congregation. The “congregation of the first born” who cannot be seen by human eyes. The GB has brought its teaching environment into the “wrong condition”, hence Daniel 8:13-14.

The GB has to go, they are the main problem, are a Babel style “star chamber” and have been illegal since they started to claim divinity as per the 2Thess2:3-4 principle.

God will make a clear example of them soon.

JWs are in the “wrong condition” which everyone BUT JWs can see.

Why can’t JWs see this? The GB damage control delusions, that is why.

The GB is not even a Christian entity.

“”The Mystery Religions each had their secret councils which ruled them, and these councils themselves came under the guidance of a secret supreme Grand Council or Governing Body.””

http://www.whale.to/b/sp/bl.html

Thus an element from Babel now defines the very leadership of JWs, now chapter 18 of the 1000 Year Reign book is about the GB. “Bringing the Man of Lawlessness” to Nothing.

The GB is headed for nothingness but an exposed notorious “operation of error”.

You are deluding yourself if you think JWs have nothing to worry about, they are venerating this illegal cabal “in the temple”, for the GB ALONE are faithful and discreet.

Yeah, right!

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[QUOTE who=”Analytical7″]<quoted text>
Hey man I have been thinking about what I said to you in another post, and just thought I’d apologize for that.. I realise that it was the wrong attitude and spirit to display.. So I hope you can forgive me. Sorry again.

Coming back to the post… Yes Im also like that always happy.. But i think that’s more because of my personality than the truth although I am happy to know the truth and to be in it. And it is a great joy to help someone to understand the Bible, to see the transformation that takes place in their lives is heart warming and touching.

I know how you feel about the GB and going to meetings.. Wanted to encourage you to try to come again.. Sometimes we just need to change our thinking and viewpoint.. Readjust it abit.. I remember a meetings used to be boring for me but problem was never the meeting itself but rather my attitude towards it. I hope you can also find joy in the meeting as you did with finding the truth.
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Non sense. GB lawlessness DEPLETES the holy spirit. (Hag1; Mal1)

BUT you do NOT stop Bible reading and being on point in world affairs fulfilling prophecy AND telling others. (like that GB covered up 1990 3rd UN event; Dan11:31b)

I found myself at boring meetings that USED TO BE THRILLING, because now the GB is just piping in doped up baby food is all it is, Styrofoam “Steaks”, watered down milk even. So I would read the Bible the whole meeting, and soon it all came together that we have APOSTATES in the GB as our main problem. UN NGO, pedophiles, cover ups, scandals, pagan shunning and the like are all the “fruitage” of that bad tree.

The GB are the sheep beating EVIL “slave”.

Once you KNOW this, they are the “bad association” to put some distance from, they do spoil useful habits like IN DEPTH Bible study and MODERN EVENT discussion.

Keep reading and speaking the sacrifice of the “fruit of the lips” or keyboard. The GB is WORTHLESS ACTORS just stashign billions in Chase and Goldman for the wildbeast boys, that is all they are doing, checking the mail for more JW checks, and stealing the savings from congregation, firing Bethelites and selling properties like crazy.

THAT is GB “fruitage”. As Jesus said, you do not ask father for food and him hand you a scorpion. But that is exactly what the GB is going, their fruitage and record is ROTTEN, the 1976 GB EXPERIMENT in ministerla tyranny has FAILED. It is a FAIL.

Do you really think the GB is going piss and crap on Jehovah’s “constant feature” and merely skate of scot free?

Think again. (Isa66:6; Matt22:1-14; Dan8:13-14)

The “lawless one” is even NOW being publicly revealed for judgment and removal in temple cleansing coming.

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[QUOTE who=”Michaelangelo1992″]<quoted text>

LOL. Don’t you read your Bible? Christ comes the first time as a sacrifice in a perfect human body. When he returns he comes back to rule for 1000 years with his anointed ones. He is a sacrifice the first time, and then a king-priest like Melchizedek the second.

Jesus does not return as an invisible man as the WTS claims. His coming is secretive though, “in the clouds.” But he does return in the flesh, only the second time he returns he is in an imperfect body shared with one of his followers; a gay, black XJW.
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Actually Lars, Christ has had to assume the “God’s Kingdom” coronation first. That is the one he “hands back” to God as per 1Cor15:24-28. That did happen in 1914 as Rev4-6:1;

BUT

Christ also must assume coronation by God in the “Kingdom of David” which is NOT “God’s Kingdom” it is the one to be “set up” as Daniel 2:31-45, meaning it is new.

That coronation is not present yet, it is the theme of the “second witness” after the JW judgment of Daniel 8:13-14 coming up.

Now when Christ arrives in that Kingdom of Christ form as “King of kings” of ALSO the Messianic Kingdom, he comes “with the clouds” but ALSO with “power and GREAT GLORY”, a seeming conundrum.

This is because Christ will manifest globally as needed. At times he will be covert, at other times he will be in the visible “great glory”, where the sun in the sky will be a background light.

It just means he will manifest as required for what he is confronting, sometimes for salvation (Rev14:6-7), sometimes not. (2Thess1:6-10)

It is a scheduled global takeover, wherein sheep must be secured first, but at the same time of final conquest.
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[QUOTE who=”I_know_better_now “]<quoted text>

Ah! You did not deny you were a Shill! Gotcha.

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I am not selling a con, it is one unique message of a timed temple judgment as Daniel 8:13-14. NO ONE else is making this connection.

The reason why there is so much JW controversy missiles coming in, is so there is more hay to hide that needle. They want JWs thinking this is just another baseless attack, because JWs are now used to a barrage of opposition. Thus when it was time for the reality to also be sent in, they want JWs to just dismiss it too, because they are used to so many attacks anyways.

It is all by design, so JWs do not figure out who it is now running the house.

In 1973 we already explained who we are really dealign with, only problem was they did not come until 1976 (GB 1st “lift up”), I just pop in GB for “clergy” here, but you get the gist:

*** God’s Kingdom of 1000 Years; 1973 chap. 18 p. 390 par. 57 Bringing the “Man of Lawlessness” to Nothing ***

To get the so-called “Christian” “Governing Body” to power and to keep them there, the operation and activity of Satan had to be “with every powerful work [miracles, Je] and lying signs and portents and with every unrighteous deception.” The purpose of all this lying, deceptive evidence of supernatural backing for the “Governing Body” is to get the members of the congregation to believe that the [Governing Body] represent the true God and have his appointment, his approval and his backing and are his earthly agents. They are given the appearance of being the ones exclusively set apart and appointed to the ministry of God’s Word, with special powers, privileges, rights, immunities, rank and titles not shared by the inferior “laity.” (JW r/f)

That is what we are dealing with, the GB is the “man of lawlessness” modern signal.

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Awwww so that what’s up with your name there…..you are waiting for the judgement to be passed on to Bethel gb[/QUOTE]

Yes a while back I came across Zech3:1-15 and Daniel 8:13-14 as connected in outcome. So I know why it is timed, because the biggest doubters out there are?

Jehovah’s witnesses.

They will have a very hard time dealing with a deadly betrayal that is coming from their GB, not to mention the loss of most if not all of the JW org. So, they will need a timed verifiable prophecy to get back into that “right condition”, which they have devolved from.

I can see internally Bethel is setting itself up for a corporate takeover, that is what all them property liquidations and begging and stealing KN savings is all about. They just sucked in about 3 billion globally, nothing compared to what is already socked away in Chase and Goldman, but sizable and quickly pulled in.

THAT is what an investor would read as a “red flag” if they had money in a corporation who pulled this kind of weird behavior. But JWs do have money in the org, but they are not the sharpest tools in the drawer.

But there are literally another 100 red flags.When I started to actually map them and write them down, I saw the JW devolution and corporate set up in criminal liability for what it is,it is the set up context that will allow Daniel 8:13-14 to come on JWs. It ain’t going to be pretty, it is assured to come, so I tell as many people I can to check that prophecy when they can see JW org going down right on CNN.

Of course, the eventual global context that will allow this as but a sideshow, is also an ominous sign of probably full blown world war, I am still curious as to what kind of a background development will make the siege of the JW org a requirement. But when nation-state legal eagles can see 5 billion in JW topical loot and hard assets nailed tot the ground globally for the taking, there will be a monetary motivation to drive their prosecutions of criminal JW org leadership, and the national governments are not in good fiscal shape, so JWs loot may seem a nice boost.

But [something] is going to trigger that corporate attack and liquidation of the lawless JW org, something is leading there.

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Because Daniel 8:13-14 has not fulfilled yet and is rather cryptic, the possible timings are now noted.

(Daniel 8:13-14) And I got to hear a certain holy one speaking, and another holy one proceeded to say to the particular one who was speaking: “How long will the vision be of the constant [feature] and of the transgression causing desolation, to make both [the] holy place and [the] army things to trample on?” 14 So he said to me: “Until two thousand three hundred evenings [and] mornings; and [the] holy place will certainly be brought into its right condition.”

Now the first reaction is it is 2300 days. 6.38 years.

1. But if we count an “evening” AND a “morning” per day, we get 1150 days.

2. If it is 2300 evenings and 2300 mornings as both are counted it would be 12.77 years.

The Daniel 8:14,26 “the evening” and “the morning” may be phasing in that order, evening being bewildering darkness as the prophecy comes to the understanding in the “morning” light as the “right condition” of the temple is met.

In that case, we may have a third case, and case of phasing in two 3.19 years portions.

3. 1150 days “evening” and 1150 days “morning” to denote the JW org desolation “trampling” as the 3.19 year “evening” allowance and requirement to be followed by 3.19 year recovery prior to the 1260 days final warning.

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[QUOTE who=”GreatSouthbay4040″] The society has never stated anything regarding a specific-set timetable.[/QUOTE]

Of cousre not, they are slated by God to go down first many years before BTG. (1Pet4:17; Dan8:13-14)

The GB never has been approved by God, their rejection will be “seen” in a flaming fire of Destroyer when he comes “in the temple” as 3.19 years into Daniel 8:13-14.

Of course, the GB will ONLY promote the premature end delusion of 2Thess2:1-2, they are the modern “man of lawlessness” signal.

JW org goes down first, ti does signal the START of the tribulation, not the end of the world for quite some time. (Rev13:3; Rev17:8-13)

In time the UN will assume the nucleus executive branch role of world government. The 7th Kign must first fall, of course, as King South nation-state “old world order” system, and King North is world government.

8th King World Peace—Guaranteed
https://jwupdate.wordpress.com/2015/05/21/8th-king-world-peace-guaranteed/

King 8 Versus King 7—The New World Order to Capture the Old World Order
https://jwupdate.wordpress.com/2015/06/19/king-8-versus-king-7-the-new-world-order-to-capture-the-old-world-order/

8 Kings: Why the 7th King Anglo-American National System Must “Fall”
http://templelijah.wordpress.com/world-war-4-un-4-0/8-kings-why-the-7th-king-anglo-american-national-system-must-fall/

The End of National Sovereignty, Not The End of the World
http://templelijah.wordpress.com/world-war-4-un-4-0/the-end-of-national-sovereignty-not-the-end-of-the-world/

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I was just thinking the same thing. Why do JWs consider everything in the book of Revelation to be symbolic except for that one number?
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It may be symbolic, but the reason why they interpret it as 144,000 literally is that it is also stated in its 12 x 12000 secondary manner.

The principle also applied to the 1260 days, also described as 42 months and “time,times and half a time”.

So when a couple descriptions render a literal number in a couple ways in the context, or more as with the 1260 days, it was considered literal.

Of course the easy calculation the Devil GB cannot make for obvious cursed reasons from God’s darkness upon them (Zech11) is why have a command to “prophesy again” at Revelation 10:11, and we have TWO witnesses which can be two witnessings for a literal 1260 days.

Thus when we double 1260 days, we come up with the 2520 familiar “seven times” number, but in days. In addition to back this logic the “time, times and half a time” is a 3.5 times incomplete number and God does not consider things complete until it is SEVEN times.

What we are probably seeing is that the GB is the final signal related to the “man of lawlessness”, but in the “in the temple” form identified today among anointed Christians which means a final temple inspection to judgment to purification is what will result from the GB trashmen in the temple as the ones basically responsible for the ruination of JW spirituality and global reputation and the number one REPROACHERS of God’s name and distracters from the original “Kingdom message” and Bible message.

So after God deals with that criminal GB cabal, we should see a recovery, full admission of GB apostasy, full explanation of the UN NGO and that 3rd UN event of 1990 which is a prophecy at Daniel 11:31b and Daniel 8:23 that this evil GB is now concealing from public explanation as a continuation of the first two UN events of 1919 and 1945 which JWs USED TO explain as prophecy as they occurred as in 1945.

Since the 1260 days literal time signature cross connects Daniel 7:25, Dan12:7, Revelation 11:2-3, 12:14, 13:5, and we know it is what leads to the Christ arrival as the final warning terminates there (Rev11:1-7) we can register the “seven trumpets” as also requiring a future final fulfillment cycle, but it BEGINS with the JW org apostate judgment as Revelation 8:3-5 and the first trumpet is the judgment to come on Jehovah’s witnesses this time, to remove and expose the GB “lawless one” as why JWs are not making this progress now.

The temple “RIGHT CONDITION” and Daniel 8:13-14 “trampling” events and timing on the JW org visible benchmark of divine judgment is from the “fire of the altar” of Rev8:2-7, and that “right condition” must be met with accurate final cycle prophecy updates to precede full 8th King/King North world government as that Daniel 8:14 timing must then lead to the “prophesy again” 1260 days in final form to complete the 2520 DAYS, this time, final “seven times” of full final warning prior to the Christ arrival triggered by the world government completion and its final “world peace” declaration of 1Thess5:1-3.

So what is coming on JWs for GB led apostasy, UN NGO and many sins and crimes, is just the START OF THE FINAL PROPHECY and world event cycle, not “the end” which Bethel uses as per 2Thess2:1-2 premature Christ arrival delusion they now promote to JWs so they can cover up the coming JW org downfall of Dan8:13-14, Isa66:6.

The GB is EVIL SLAVE and impostor filled true men of greed and lawlessness. Even now the GB embodied MOL “lawless one is being revealed” prior to the coming JW org “trampling” which is in the Daniel 11:41-43 context next, NOT the “Daniel 11:44 must be next” Bethel over advanced deception allowed by keeping the impossible USSR=KN error as they also covered up that 1990 3rd UN event of Daniel 11:31b. They are the apostasy that co-develops in Daniel 11:30-32a, Dan8:11-14,23.

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[QUOTE who=”Tony Price 77″](continued)
BJD: It is futile to try to undo the effects of that “knowledge” fruit at this time. God permits men to be futile and severely retarded in overall understanding. Super intelligent humans would just cause more damage faster if also in the imperfect sinful state under Satanic control.

These are all just temporary riders for the current dilemma. So in that God permits it, it is a temporary expedient of his will being done progress to finality. Doubting humans just makes it that much realer we expect opposition and we know many will not make this final cut coming up,so it is par for the sin course of death.

Tony Price 77: But, BJD, in what we’re talking about(i.e. Job 38:39-41), God not only permits it, but he glorifies it.

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BJD: Imo, over population. Everything dying and predation avoids system overload. Even human lifespan reduction after the flood has aided limited population.

We are in a temporary scenario. These are just expedients to hold it over until Christ arrival.

God knows no physical limitations and humans can expand beyond earth in time. But we are stuck at square one at this time, and human doubt is not going to help expand the human mind, it is just more of the death aiding after-effects of sin.

Tony Price 77: Hmmm. So you’re saying that in Paradise, humans would have eventually learned how to travel the stars in order to avoid overpopulation, but for now, God has caused both humans and animals to die, along with animal predation, in order to control overpopulation?

Hmmm. Well, the only thing about that, BJD, is that we actually *do* have overpopulation and system overload… and which is one of the things that is producing so many problems in the world today as I had pointed out in another thread:
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There is no limitations on “space” when God is in total control. (Isa54) Remember Christ having the apostles pull thousands of fish from one bag?

Yes we do have management problems that exacerbate a seeming over population problem. The problem is with the human management system. But if it was as you said earlier, it would be much worse. Humans do not know how to manage anything here.

Now this is going to cause far more problems under world government. The “powers that be” realize if this current population trend is not curbed radically, it will impede their window of opportunity to preserve the context of their own survival of their own future generations.

There will NEVER be 15 billion people and more, radical depopulation in systematic scheduled manner will come with world government, at least they will try to deal with this problem on probably a 10 year radical relief program, maybe less.

Over population and “old world order” management futility has gotten the attention of the globalists, and they do plan to deal with it decisively once they assume 100% global weapons and precision energy system global-network control, after the now nation-state deposition phase is completed.

First things first.

The futility of human management of old world order methods is what is bringing a global sociocide program, as human problems will exacerbate further. Now they will be cut short (Matt24:21-22), but human overpopulation must be dealt with in time, or the entire “new world order” opportunity will be lost; at least that is what we can glean from the globalist publications and researcher commentary of Agenda 21 a radical new global “land use plan” basic concept.

Eventually, many people will come to understand human world government is going to be very dangerous for many people of this planet. Only God will be able to cease their agenda by that time, that is where this is all leading and why.

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[QUOTE who=”I_know_better_now “. I also do not want to take the chance of unfairly condemning Christs brothers. Some may be innocent. If I was to unfairly judge Christs brothers would I not be doing it to Christ Himself? You see there needs to be a balance struck here. Jehovah wants his people to be balanced and keep the faith. Let’s suppose the fds ends up exposed as betrayers could not the congregations still continue to exist and serve Jehovah.. why yes they can. After all the congregation are under the rule of Christ not under the rul of the GB. They are just a means of assistance. The congregation can still go on without them. You need to better put this situation in perspective. Up to now you have not you are going wild. If you are dead set on going this route than leave me in peace. There is no sense in going over and over this if it is what you want to do then do it.. But remember everyone you cause to panic is another potential person stumbled. Remember what Jesus said about what will happen to those who stumble his sheep. That goes for the GB and others as well.
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Yes the congreagtion WILL go on without them, that is the point of Zechariah 3:5. But Jehovah’s witnesses have to understand we must “prophesy again” Rev10:11, there is a purpose to this temple judgment to prepare the final warning before the final 1260 days begins.

Which you are saying is easier said than done. It WILL be a true full test of JW faith. It is a test of the “love of the truth” or the love of “the lie”. (2Thess2:11-12)

I am not panicking, I realize you are about as awake as a JW gets, and thus most are now in danger, so I listen to Christ from the word of God when he gave the Matthew 24:15 command. If you cannot see the UN NGO is this disgusting thing in that final context, then you have much to learn still.

If JWs missed this final warning you might as well assign us all the place of the hypocrites and weeds. That is why this is URGENT, JWs need to understand it is far from over our “deeds have not be completed” before God.

At this time JWs are ready to retire to paradise, contrary to Matthew 24:13, and that is not good. The final warning will take ACTION to complete. I clearly see the clear and present danger JWs are in, you do not, you just have imaginings like it will be easy as it has been, because JWs have been spoiled rotten by KN GB for a fall.

The JW fall in this coming up, will be great, it will climax the GB stumbling work they are doing.
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[QUOTE who=”Tony Price 77″]<quoted text>

Thank you for your reply, RHW. Also, apparently, all creatures were NOT created to only consume plant food and the faithful and discreet slave were incorrect…..

Also, I kind of see how many of the church Christians don’t believe in JWs’ paradise earth doctrine because apparently they realize that the prophetic scriptures that mention non-predation are figurative… and are not literal.
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Sorry Tony, may I toss a monkey wrench in?

As Solomon stated a question that haunted him and his wives:

(Ecclesiastes 3:21) . . .Who is there knowing the spirit of the sons of mankind, whether it is ascending upward; and the spirit of the beast, whether it is descending downward to the earth?

The wise man himself provided us the clue here:

(Ecclesiastes 3:19-20) . . .For there is an eventuality as respects the sons of mankind and an eventuality as respects the beast, and they have the same eventuality. As the one dies, so the other dies; and they all have but one spirit, so that there is no superiority of the man over the beast, for everything is vanity. 20 All are going to ONE PLACE…

And we know that place is “Death and Hades”. But in Revelation not only is Hades emptied DEATH is also to be destroyed which is a far broader shell of meaning. (1Cor15:26; Rev21:1-5; 22:1-3)

As Revelation 22:3 states:

(Revelation 22:3) . . .And no more will there be any curse. . . .

Because the curse on Adam and Eve to negate the Genesis 1:26-28 blessing is in a hierarchical context in which animals are under man, who all comes under curse of sin effects.

Thus as Ezekiel 47 shows:

(Ezekiel 47:9) . . .And it must occur that every living soul that swarms, in every place to which the double-size torrent comes, will get life. And it must occur that there will be very many fish, because there is where this water will certainly come, and the [seawater] will be healed, and EVERYTHING WILL BE ALIVE where the torrent comes.

(Ezekiel 47:12) . . .Their leafage will not wither, nor will their fruitage be consumed. . . .

Which is the consumption of the “corruption” of Romans 8:18-22, not moral corruption but physical death and decay.

(Psalm 145:16) . . .You are opening your hand And satisfying the desire of every living thing.

And what living thing desires to die? None of them. Thus when God satisfies the desire of every living thing eternal life is the broader shell of meaning, as death must pass away and EVERYTHING that causes tears of misery.

(Psalm 133:3) . . .It is like the dew of Her′mon That is descending upon the mountains of Zion. For there Jehovah commanded the blessing life to time indefinite.

And that is that blessing in Genesis 1:26-28 now lost to death curse, to be restored to everything human and everything under the human earthly hierarchy.

(John 6:39) . . .This is the will of him that sent me, that I should lose nothing out of all that he has given me but that I should resurrect IT at the last day.

This is why even two seemingly worthless sparrows to men, are not forgotten or worthless to God. And he does not remember them as merely a trivia fact, it means he remembers them for the recreation the broader shell of the entire earthly life system.

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Now human doubt this, but apparently they also doubt that fruit of Eden law, and the reality man has eaten something that blinds humans to the ultimate will of God, and that NOTHING it really “too good” to be true.

In fact, God shall do thing beyond human imagination, cannot do everything, he can do MORE than everything well beyond human imagination not to mention stunted understanding.

(Isaiah 34:16-17) 16 Search for yourselves in the book of Jehovah and read out loud: not one has been missing of them; they actually do not fail to have each one her mate, for it is the mouth of Jehovah that has given the command, and it is his spirit that has collected them together. 17 And it is He that has cast for them the lot, and his own hand has apportioned the place to them by the measuring line. To time indefinite they will take possession of it; for generation after generation they will reside in it.

When God “casts the lot” it cannot be reversed. Eternal life for all things is the blessing to come under Jesus Christ’s Kingdom power. Doubters are no obstacle at all.

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[QUOTE who=”I_know_better_now “]…most likely are misapplying.

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Well at least you offer a shadow of doubt. No, I am applying it all correctly, it is the basis of the final warning, it has God’s direct backing.

Of course that sounds crazy, but ti ain’t, it is “crazy” for JWs, they have the Devil in the GB leading them. Now who is more crazy?

Daniel 8:13-14 will prove itself, and THAT is all you need to keep in mind for the time it comes is soon.

JOT IT DOWN, you’ll be glad you did.

This forecast will get the seal of the Daniel 8:13-14 events and timing that NO JW will long be able to deny, it is the temple judgment.

(2 Corinthians 11:23) . . .I reply like a madman….

LOL

Christ comes into the temple first, make no mistake. (Mal3:1-5; Zech3:4-5)

Make a mental note of Daniel 8:13-14, that’s not much to ask. (And remember its direct parallel is the Revelation 8:2-7 “fire of the altar” parallel of “right condition” temple purification. It will also be trumpet 1, the temple judgment on JWs first; (1Pet4:17))

Soon you shall have your work cut out for you. (Rev9)
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No, I don’t.
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The final 1260 days “witness TWO” concludes with the “tribulation of those days”. Overall, as per Revelation 11:7 “when they have finished their” 1260 days “witnessing”, then the sealing can complete.

The divine commission of Revelation 10:5-11 “little scroll” is the mission of the final Kingdom announcement of Messianic Kingdom certain completion and the full “good news” SUMMARY (Rev10:5-8), which when FULLY carried out, will complete the affirmation sealing, that being God approval of the ones who have to complete the “second witness” mission. (Parallel Zech3:6-9)

Preceding that with the “ten virgins” “5 foolish virgin” coming fall out, the base anointings have to first be completed as some final very new anointed MUST be called in. The seal of Rev7 is not the base anointing, it is the final affirmation seal of God’s acceptance, like Paul described he eventually received. (AFTER his own mission was complete, btw)

In reality this Daniel 8:13-14 timing and period coming up will initially see a depletion of current “anointed”. Replacements must be called in. (Matt22:!-14) (This is probably why JW anointings have been rising, in preparation of some of these replacements.)

The goal which shall fail is that an incomplete 144000 means an incomplete Messianic Kingdom. God’s Kingdom coronation of Christ is the 1914 event, BUT Christ must ALSO be coronated by God as Messianic Kingdom “set up” with the Christ King over the 144000 who are NOT complete at this time. (Zech6:9-15; Dan2:31-45)

Thus the mission and sealing completion to the Christ arrival of Revelation 11:7-12, is the START of Revelation 14, which shows the complete 144000 in power with Christ as “King of kings”, where in the “kings” are the 144000, for no earthly “king” shall ever rule again.

Thus in Revelation 7 parallel, the “great crowd” comes under the Christ and 144000 as the “harvest of the earth” sheep of Revelation 14:14-16, AFTER the angel performed final offer to all human beings of Revelation 14:6-8, all under a Christ King “sits down on his glorious throne” in Messianic Kingdom complete power as Matthew 24:31.

As per “you will by NO MEANS complete the all the cities of the Israel” “circuit” (Matt10:23), CHRIST himself with all the angels and 144000 complete, then COMPLETE HIS OWN MINISTRY as Revelation 14:6-7 “everlasting good news to declare” by DIRECT super-human agents ensuring to possible human is missed, the “circuit of the cities of Israel” is also completed at that time. (Paul’s fast anointing when “seeing the light” is how many of these basically good final “sheep-to-be” are “converted” of those who can be spared in the Romans 2:12-16 principle.

(Romans 2:16) . . .This will be in the day when God through Christ Jesus judges the secret things of mankind, according to the good news I declare.

Thus with the temple judgment, in time (Dan8:14), modern anointed must be informed of how the final AFFIRMATION sealing is to be affirmed by carrying out this final 1260 days “little scroll” mission, AFTER the Daniel 8:13-14 timing and “right condition” is met FIRST.

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Of course by GB stall, JWs do nto udnerstand this at this time. But they will.

(Isaiah 48:6-7) You have heard. Behold it all. As for you people, will you not tell [it]? I have made you hear new things from the present time, even things kept in reserve, that you have not known. 7 At the present time they must be created, and not from that time, even things that before today you have not heard, that you may not say, ‘Look! I have already known them.’

(Isaiah 43:18-19) 18 “Do not remember the first things (1914-1919), and to the former things do not turn your consideration. 19 Look! I am doing something new. Now it will spring up. you people will know it, will you not?

(Isaiah 42:9) .The first things (1914-1919)—here they have come, but new things (of the future) I am telling out. Before they begin to spring up, I cause you people to hear [them].

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(Isaiah 48:6-7) You have heard. Behold it all. As for you people, will you not tell [it]? I have made you hear NEW things from the present time, even THINGS KEPT IN RESERVE, that you have not known.

7 At the present time they must be created, and not from that time, even things that before today you have not heard, that you may not say, Look! I have already known them.

(Isaiah 43:18-19) 18 Do not remember the first things (1914-1919), and to the former things do not turn your consideration. 19 Look! I AM DOING SOMETHING NEW. Now it will spring up. you people will know it, will you not?

(Isaiah 42:9).The first things (1914-1919)—here they have come, but NEW things (of the future) I am telling out. BEFORE they begin to spring up, I cause you people to hear [them].

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(Revelation 10:11) You must prophesy again…

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[QUOTE who=”I_know_better_now “]It’s funny to see two opposer’s of truth fighting about truth. [/QUOTE]

There are stages of your grief “due to transgression” in the JW ministry. (Dan8:12) You are still at stage 1, the BIG DENIAL [[PHASE]]:

1. Denial – The first reaction is denial. In this stage individuals believe the apostasy diagnosis and its prophecy is somehow mistaken, and cling to a false, preferable reality the GB povides.

2. Anger – When the individual recognizes the S has HTF they realize that denial cannot continue, they become frustrated, especially at proximate individuals and eventually the dirty GB. Certain psychological responses of a person undergoing this phase would be: “Why me? It’s not fair!”; “How can this happen to Jehovah’s witnesses?”; ‘”Who is to blame?”; “Why would this happen?”.

3. Bargaining – The third stage involves the hope that the individual can avoid a cause of grief, it’s all just a bad dream. Usually, the negotiation for an extended life (Isa38) is made in exchange for a radically altered repentant lifestyle. People facing less serious trauma can bargain or seek compromise, but the five discreet virgins cannot. (Matt25:1-13)

4. Depression – “I’m so sad, why bother with anything brother?”; “I’m going to die soon, so what’s the point?”; “I miss my GB, why go on?” “The world did not end as expected (2Thess2:1-2), but I feel like dyign instead!” “Maybe I oughta read some prophecy of God now.”

During the fourth stage, the individual despairs at the recognition of the final signal apostasy. In this state, the individual may become silent, refuse visitors and spend much of the time mournful and sullen in the Daniel 8:13 “evening” darkness.

5. Acceptance – “It’s going to be okay, the Daniel 8:13,26 “morning” shall come soon.”; “I can’t fight it, I may as well repent from it, yes Daniel 8:13-14 is true just like Gabriel Daniel 8:26 said it was.”

In this last stage, individuals embrace reality….

And so it shall go for most JWs still in stage 1 DENIAL of Daniel 8:13-14 at this time.

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