June 2016

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most former members like me have read RAY FRANZ book ”’CRISIS OF CONSCIENCE”’ and know that it was FRED FRANZ and the gang who stabbed RAY FRANZ in the back because he blew the lid off of 1914 and 607 and the whole ””appointed by god”’ charade.

so you must be trying to deceive jws who are still active and have never read the book, because anyone who actually read the book can tell you are making up a story and are a WICKED LIAR.
and also you know that active members will never read the book, cause they aren’t allowed to, so you can BS them.

yada yada…


Those opinions are exactly what the Temple Apostates from King North (Dan8:12; Dan11:32a) want you and others to conclude. It helps discredit the true warning of sovereign limit that emerged in 1914. You’ve been stumbled, and now they want to sack you soon too. It is all the same guys. They are after you, as much as JWs.


So, your reading comprehension suffers then. The last time I read the book it was Albert Schroeder who was manipulating everyone INCLUDING Fred Franz with fear and board intrigues. Schroeder and Henschel where the ring leaders, but info from Ray on Henschel is sparse. (Loesch is the modern Henschel op)

Now on 1914 Ray just wanted to clarify the dating/event historic basis. When that is done and the GENTILE based times are applied, Neb and Babylon form the 607 BCE benchmark from at the least King Nebs ascension into power as Crown Prince in that year. But with the comman two year fuzzy zone he may well have been King in 607 BCE.

Now since the NATIONS are who have the “appointed times” applied to their sovereign expiration date come Christ arival, and these are as stated “GENTILE TIMES”, we date from GENTILE and NATIONAL SOVEREIGN historic dates and future projections to Armageddon, NOT “Jerusalem”.

Now Ray and Olof Johnson have indeed opened that can of worms, and when the JW org is destroyed in the near future (Dan8:13-14), the whole “seven times” update will come forth prior to world government and it triggering the Christ arrival. Very simple plot twist that still maintains 607-1914, and still respects the sovereign theme of GENTILE time limits en route to God “setting up a kingdom” in Christ, the Messianic one.

If it is “gentile times” then gentile benchmarks must form its basis. And that slides Jerusalem destruction to 586 BCE while still maintaining Babylons 607 BCE ascension as the only lasted 70 years, or the first real symbolic “seven times”. Not 86 years as apostate Bethel teaches. They are the King North led apostasy of Daniel 11:32a, so they axed Ray so NO ONE at Bethel would continue towards making this needed clarification.

So Ray was not trying to overturn 607 BCE to 1914 CE, he was trying to rectify the proper event/ date relationship. THAT is what the evil henchmen in the GB could NOT allow, so Ray was axed. Fred Franz and Nathan Knorr could easily have comprehended the logic of “gentile” GENTILE based times, so they were not allowed as well to pursue this further, and they were kowtowed to comply is what it was. THEY were next, if they rocked the boat going into full globalist-intel control right from the heart of Bethel and its leadership, then marked as full blown nasty apostates, IN THE TEMPLE. (2Thess2:1-4)

1944 Governing Body Birthday—1914-1976 WTBTS Board of Directors Coup Finally Realized


As far as the GB being a fraud entity, that much is the truth, Ray was exposing that, but God is who will deal with the GB soon (Zech3:1-5), that is why they have no future JW calendar as far as this apostate org goes. They won’t need one. It seems 2017 is the JW org assualt year, we shall see. But it is coming in the Daniel 11:41-43 global context. That is why they hype all the “its the end brothers” bull, so they can lead JWs hither and thither to capture, from the very mouths of that rotted GB “Pied Piper”. JW org media is the “Flute” of said Pied Vipers.

This is where Ray and Olof’s research would have led way back in the 70s:

Jerusalem Exile=Destruction? 607 BCE versus 586 BCE Dating—All’s Good! All’s Well, Couldn’t Be Better!

“Seven Times” Updates Coming—”Appointed Times of the Nations” Reconsidered, Again

Revelation 11 also has a “seven times” meaning of final warning. (Which cross ignites with Daniel 7:25, Daniel 12:7, Rev12:14 and Rev13:5-7 in the future, because there are TWO “witnesses” meaning Revelation has TWO full fulfillment cycles. One is coming in the future, as Revelation 8 is the JW org judgment, and it begins the whole final Rev8-11 continuum to the final “3.5 times” 1260 day warning prior to world government, hence prior to Christ arrival.

2 witnesses X 1260 days = 2520 days, or “seven times” complete, “time, times and half a time” X 2 (witnessings global). That final witnessing is future, after the JW org pays the UN NGO and ilegal priesthood price soon.

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John shows long before BTG is destroyed the tenth king and his kingdom, who gave all their authority to the wild beast, will battle with the Lamb Jesus and lose their authority in this battle (Daniel 7:12). This parallels the temple apostasy (Daniel 8:11-12; Revelation 13:7).

Following the temple apostasy is temple judgment and that too may parallel Revelation 17:14. Either before or during or both. Not sure but it is in that timeline because Zechariah 3:1-5 will commence the repentance timeline.

“They will wage war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will triumph over them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings—and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers.”

Revelation 17:14 NIV[/QUOTE]

That is true. But the statement is not in that portion of the sequence, it is just a statement of the complete eventuality of Christ’s conquest, not a description in the sequence of the actual event.

Christ will allow and back the destruction of Babylon the Great, because from BTG coems “a tenth the city fell”, that is many ignorant and enslaved people who will walk into glorious salvation while their big prison of BTG goes down befoe their very eyes. They share the sin, not the totality of the destruction.

Babylon the Great Deposed Under World Government

The point is, as with the destruction of ancient Babylon by Cyrus and his boys, many people, not just “Isarel”, were freed from the tyranny into the reign of a King Cyrus who was a known “great” humanitarian and he allied with his subjects. He did that all the way to Babylon, instead of killing everyone, he made a deal with them, and by sundown they were part of his fighting force, and that is how they swept over over a hundred “jurisdictional districts” as many were prime to turn on the current regime they were under, and Dr. Cool Cyrus, who made more friends than enemys, friends he put swords and shields into the hand of, and money and food in their pockets, to AID his rolling conquest of the region.

Well, Christ is alot like that too—he knows how to make friends. He is not coming to kill everyone, he is coming as per Revelation 14:6-8 as friendly as if you met him in the Jerusalem boondocks with John the Baptist, and went up to talk to him. Of course, evil people are not friendly, and so their own attitude is what will judge them.

Now as far as “false religion”, God will overlook all sins if someone is trying to be a loving neighbor, and some are. Come the day, what we REALLY are is what Christ will know, if we meet the love grade, all who do shall be spared REGARDLESS. They could be a porn star or a “tax collector”, IF they practice love, and God knows what we are, they shall be spared. “Harlots and tax collectors” will precede the current “Pharisees” into the Kingdom of God. Still the truth. LOVE is what God ultimately looks at as the final call characteristic potential. LOVE

Got love, you got salvation guaranteed.

THAT is how “love covers a multitude of sins”. JWs being to uppity and narrowing the BIG SALVATION OFFER AND REALITY, must be humbled to see this truth. They are the ones to be preceded by loving, though sinful ignorant ones, in our midst as we speak.

We need to explain and promote the BIG SALVATION of Revelation 11:13 and 14:6-8.

(Revelation 14:6-8) . . .And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, and he had everlasting good news to declare as glad tidings to those who dwell on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people, 7 saying in a loud voice: “FEAR God and give him glory, because the hour of the judgment by him has arrived, and so worship the One who made the heaven and the earth and sea and fountains of waters.”

And that must be in the final period, AS BTG is going down, leading to this:

8 And another, a second angel, followed, saying: “She has fallen! Babylon the Great has fallen, she who made all the nations drink of the wine of the anger of her fornication!”

In this way we have a very positive final message: ANYONE CAN BE SAVED come the day, and ANGELS OF GOD will also go forth and confront one and all eligible with that offer. As we know 666ers aint eligible when in that final form of personal choice of wildbeast, over God’s Kingdom.

As time goes on, this will all get very black and white clarified.
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you are just two snakes doing double talk to get jws to sit tight in their fake new jerusalem……………rev 13; 7 and there was granted it to wage war with the holy one and conquer them, and authority gas given it over every tribe and people and tongue and nation….

ray franz exposed your whole scam[/QUOTE]

The churches will be led to world government 666 by means of Israel, whose global hoax counterfeit phase will be brought about upon the destruction of Islam as the first department of BTG to be destroyed. As with Japan and the atom bomb to end world war, the new “different shade of white” is the brown Arabs who will be the World War 4 (including the Cold WW3) whipping boy to end that war.

As that war ends, world government will become the big global hero and solution, at which time the Crusade victors will put Israel on their shoulders and lead all to 666 world government, all they can.

To make sure the Middle East will be a nuclear shooting gallery, an American or Euro city, or both, will be nuked “by the Muslims”, to make sure the stage is set for the destruction of the opposing powers in Islam which purpose is the leading of the Political state of the Middle East to the “New Arabian Order” and the destruction of Israel. But that will fail, but they will let them win a couple battles, but the war belongs to NATO and world government, and Russi and China will be brought in by the “next big stick” which is scalar precision energy “fire called down from heaven” right in the upper stratosphere and lower space, right above their heads.

Anti-matter weapons will also be deployed, but it is just to get the final capitulation of Russia and China, the Middle East can be well handled by traditional nukes and 90,000 missiles a minute, that is who they are fighting, the largest military conglomeration in world history at least 4 times bigger than Russia and China’s military forces combined. Russia and China will also be beat to pulp, along with the US, but NATO cannot be dismantled by none other than Christ’s forces who laugh at even anti-matter weapons.

Jehovah’s witnesses have partial error introduced by infiltration based agencies within the WTBTS network, all for the purpose of trying to make the whole JW ministry look like one big error. But God brought that ministry forth, and in continued refinement will filter out the error and the racketeers who back it for billions, within Bethel’s corrupted leadership administrations. They will be turned to globs of smoldering human flesh by the temple judgment cleansing angels of Ele Destroyer, Apollyon, Abaddon, and when he hits, the enemy folds up enough to let the final warning free to the world.

THAT is who is coming after the infiltrator factions out and in JW proper. And if the angels of God had not come forth after “the evening” had ended, (Dan8:13-14,26), JWs would have been exterminated within 6 years of the first assault on Bethel, to a man, worldwide.

In time, Jehovah’s witnesses, as all others before them, will have to ascribe deliverance and judgment to Almighty God and his key angel forces which God uses to gitterdone.

It is the temple judgemnt of anointed Christianity and it will use JW org proper as the epicenter of all “trampling” of Daniel 8:13-14 in the “invasion” context of Daniel 11:41, in the global context of Daniel 11:41-43, Rev16:1-9.

It all begins on anointed Christians and the apostate UN JW organization.

Your mouth will also be shut in “the morning” inception, about 3.19 years into the JW trampling. The morning is the temple judgment turning point. You can meet Apollyon too, if you hold to your renegade course.
[QUOTE who=”Newtonian”]BetheljudgmentDan8-14soon – So, do you ascribe to the 7th day adventist ‘investigative judgment’ interpretation of Daniel 8:14?

I hope to start a separate thread on that soon, btw.

You post in post 28 that the little horn is the 8th horn – how do you calculate that?

You also state the little horn is the 8th king – whereas the 8th king is The League to the United Nations.[/QUOTE]

It is the world government you indicate has not been established yet.

The 8th king is described here:

Revelation 17:9-11

9 “This calls for a mind* that has wisdom: The seven heads+ mean seven mountains, where the woman sits on top. 10 And there are seven kings: Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet arrived; but when he does arrive, he must remain a short while. 11 And the wild beast that was but is not,+ it is also an eighth king, but it springs from the seven, and it goes off into destruction.

So this world government springs from the 7 previous world powers in that the remnants of each of these world powers are part of this 8th king.

This king was (as the League of Nations), was not (during World War II) and again is present after WWII as the United Nations.

This 8th king is also the image of 7 headed, 10 horned wild beast.[/QUOTE]


Well we need to stick to all the pieces of the Revelation description and also respect the “image” of world government meaning, the world government wildbeast, when complete, is a global entity, it will come. It is NOT here yet, there is no full “8th King” yet.. In the meantime the central executive and forum representation is the “image” in those United Nations presentations which end EVERY world war cycle, including that of the Cold War cycle. The League and UN are “image” presentations, the nucleus around which world government is to be the true power system. The UN is just the executive branch, not the military, not the financial. BUT it will become part of the 8th King totality of world government when complete after the coming final “sword stroke” of world war, on the way.

Thus, in the final world war cycle, coming up, after it, all these things repeat, BUT the “image” AND the “scarlet wildbeast” totality is what will be presented to the world, in completion. That final sovereign entity at global scale is what will trigger Christ’s arrival. There will have been FOUR UN presentations in prophecy, that will have been the final one.

All Four United Nations Presentations are Foretold in Bible Prophecy

Thus, all national sovereignty “gives their kingdom”, or sovereign (power and authority) “to the wildbeast”. The national power system of Revelation 13’s “wildbeast from the sea”, becomes the “scarlet wildbeast” totality of global government opposed to God’s Kingdom. That is why we have a “scarlet wildbeast” which is of the selfsame structure as the “seven headed” wildbeast “from the sea”. World Government absorbs all voluntarily submitted national sovereignty.

Thus as this truly converges in the future into world government, all Bible prophecy forecasting it also converges into its final symbology. The 4th beast of Daniel 7 is the totality of world government when complete. The ENTIRE Daniel 2 “immense image” is world government. King North finality is world government. Revelation 13:15-18 is under world government. Revelation 17:8-18 is the final world government and its final sovereign absorbing cycle of both national and religious sovereignty (Rev17:18).

Daniel 8 King of Fierce Countenance is also in total, world government. And we can know the “8th King” is also world government, and thus the “small horn” is the King Fierce root Anglo system, which it is.


The 3 horns falling of 10, leaving seven, and the “small horn” pushing them out as the 8th horn, is just an interesting “8” that relates the small horn in the fourth beast, to the 8th King sequence. It is not “prophetic”, it is just there in the simple math. BUT, in reality the small horn is the oldest globalist system foundation which later brought in the American sector to form that “two horned” wildbeast which produces the “image”, and they thus produce world government.

The “two horned wildbeast” is not Anglo-American national power, it is the elite world government globalist engineers based in the Anglo-American system, it is a “custom”, free roaming, wildbeast that is also very secretive. As you may notice, the two horned wildbeast does not draw worship to itself, it directs worship to the wildbeast from the sea (the national system en route to world government” and its UN “image”.

By the way all the “hour” “in that hour”, “hour of test”, “one hour” with the wildbeast in Revelation (3,11,14,17), are the same one “HOUR” of World Government in complete, but temporary form. The 7th King only “remains a short while”, it is the 8th King that “goes of into destruction” as the container of them all. Of course we have not yet entered that “one hour”, but when they resolve this final world war sword stroke, it shall arrive, the UN will “ascend” fully (Rev11:7; Rev17:8-13) into full bodied global world government.

All sovereign prophecy converges into world government because it triggers the Christ arrival, AFTER it is complete and stated as such. (1Thess5:1-3)


[QUOTE who=”red blood relative”]mr betheldudietwoshoes is still working the angle that jws will never read the book casue it costs too much and on top of that ACTIVE JWS are not allowed to read it cause its by a former member and they call that apostate literature.
the book is called CRISIS OF CONSCIENCE by ray franz former gov body member.

fred franz his uncle kicked him off the jw gov body when he tried to show him the research he found out about 607 and 1914………. ray franz realized their entire 1914-1919 appointment by god was total BS.[/QUOTE]

The book is easily available in pdf. Your assumption is what you state. Now if the so-called GB Supreme Court judges expel a member of their own group, though he clearly resigned first, and do not plainly tell JWs the whole story what does that mean about those criminals?

And where do JWs think the GB holds them, if they could care less about eachother in the GB?

And so for Ray to set the record straight with big balls to lay it all out, says it all: The GB is the guilty party, and soon there will be no denial of that matter when God squashes them like so many rottan and spoiled eggs on the 101 freeway at 5:22 PM on a Friday in L.A..

The GB has hell on earth in the wings of the Destroyer coming for them! Good riddance! (Dan8:13-14; Isa66:6; Matt22:1-14)

They are the kings of the modern JW “city of murderers”. THAT is why they aint got the balls to disclose one single truth to JWs, they are rogue modern day Pharisees, no power whatsoever, and white goopy smoking ash is what will make of them criminals necromancers, making love to their own dead “body”.

Now JWs will get the full disclosure of what this all means from four trumpet blowing angels in their deaf ears, if they don’t change, they aint far behind the Kentucky Fried GB.

Ugly Truth is all JWs are at this time, apostasy in grand form, blind as a bat JWs in its midst. LOOK OUT!

No wonder they tell JWs it is the “end of the world”, that’s what its going to look like in the JW org, and even Betehl now says they go down first,next, “soon, very soon”, even they know they are near to destruction.

But they don’t tell UN NGO JWs why: MOL and 666, “in the temple”. JW org is near to destruction, on this even the GB agrees.

[QUOTE who=”sean”]How many evil men died on earth without receiving proper judgement, Or can you really say that someone who brutally murdered a child or whatever crime really gets properly judged on earth? Do you even fully trus our legal system? [/QUOTE]

If man could get it right, then we would not need JUDGMENT DAY OF CHRIST. But as it is, THAT is why there is a Judgment. Earth also has some wicked judges in power, so they will be rendered nothing, and are already considered as such by God:

(Isaiah 40:23) the One who is reducing high officials to nothing, who has made the very judges of the earth as a mere unreality.

Imperfect human judgment is why Judgment Day is necessary.

[QUOTE who=”sean”]It makes sense that after the 1000 years all people will stand before God. To know and recognise what real authority and who the real Judge is. Some may have repented but only God knows for sure. God is the real judge and that’s why all will stand before him. Not given another chance to live a thousand years. That’s Rubish man.

You cannot die, be resurrected and judged and then Die again. You die once on earth. As the bible says.[/QUOTE]


The Bible speaks of the SECOND death. Obviously you are off.

It is not rubbish. What is rubbish is people like you thinking you can play God and be the judge. Instead, you will render your own judgment, and you will be warned beforehand, which that was. You need to stop trying to play God, I am sure it seeps into your personal life. Judge many people around you? The Harlots and tax collectors of Jesus day will be more apt to appreciation than those ruined by the lies of the churches, they will be some of the most ungrateful people if they continue these kinds of “I am God, I can judge everyone”  fantasies. You are the guys who can have it explained plain as day, but you like playing God so much, you ignore all evidence. You are simply in love with your I am God powertrip, like Eve. (And you know that is true)


In the judgment which already begins with an already DEAD person, all things are revealed and rectified and the criminal is no longer in the Adamic state of imperfection which opened up physiological and demonic reasons we have heinous murderers slinking around today.

Plus, the victims of this time will come back powerful from God, so no one is going to touch a little girl capable of tossing mountains into seas and melting steel with her eyes.

But the purpose is to turn sinners around. No sinner is going to start to try to repeat the former sins and not die the “SECOND” death.

The point of Judgment Day is restoration and justice, but not as humans imagine as they are thinking their judgment, is somehow God’s way of seeing things, which it never is.

Nothing is to be gained by roasting sinners in all eternity, it too is a demon inspiration to get inside people to practice evil things by thinking they can wish this on others.

God judges by making all face reality, while giving full opportunity to learn from mistakes and start to do it upright and correctly. Those who do not respond to that loving kindness are simply extricated from all physical and spiritual reality as if they never ever existed, which is the worst form of punishment.

No one is getting away with any former crimes in that all details are to be disclosed as the “watchers” are seeing things here recorded forever, and these things can be played back in Court. But the purpose is to provide even the worst sinner with the opportunity to assume Christ human perfection provided in a whole body and blood sacrifice, so the imperfect physiological based psychosis and demonic possession need no longer be the reason why sins are committed.



Man is not coming back in Adam’s form, he is being extricated for all eternity in line with his sins. People are coming back in the Christ form, but they must then perfect their spiritual side with God’s help, and that is what takes time, and that is what causes death to cease, sinlessness:

(Revelation 7:16-17) 16 They will hunger no more nor thirst anymore, neither will the sun beat down upon them nor any scorching heat, 17 because the Lamb, who is in the midst of the throne, will shepherd them, and will guide them to fountains of waters of life. And God will wipe out every tear from their eyes.”

Waters of life are all based on complete 100% obedience to God. These must still be led further during the Judgment, and that is why it is a “Judgment”, Christ will assess if it is the way a person shall walk, if not, they shall be removed on the spot, and not fester in society as moral corrupters of others.

Judgment Day is the full opportunity to trun around for all sinners and be perfected like the Christ, in his form, though the human one he provides as “Last Adam”.

Truly wicked people, like seed of Satan, and sinners against the holy spiriti, are simply excluded even from the judgment opportunity:

(Psalm 1:5) . . .That is why the wicked ones will not stand up in the judgment. . .

They already “died twice” the day the died the first death, it was also the second one:

(Jude 12-13) . . .trees in late autumn, [but] fruitless, having DIED TWICE, having been uprooted; 13 wild waves of the sea that foam up their own causes for shame; stars with no set course, for which the blackness of darkness stands reserved forever.


[QUOTE who=”Irishdub”]The soon bunker congregations …sick !

Control of all JWs through “loyalty” to the Bethel org Pied Pipers is what it adds up to, to sell the final cycle of world war, which must precede full blown world government. (Rev13:3; Rev17:8-12)

Instead, JWs can now buy the destruction of the JW org, AS IF “the end of the world brothers! look no further!”. And in the process be captured in handy little “bunker groups”.

The premature end delusion of the final apostasy is at Bethel as per 2Thess2:1-2.

But as the MONTHS turn to YEARS (Dan8:14), JWs will have to accept Christ will NOT arrive as expected, temple judgment is what it is, and Christ will not arrive until AFTER world government is complete and stated. (1Thess5:1-3)

The whole Pied Piper GB and their Flute for JWs (JW media), was to depose the potential final warning ministry prematurely, sealed as permitted by God due to UN NGO and other major transgressions in JWs. (Dan8:12-13).

The JW desolation will not last longer than the 3.19 years of the Daniel 8:13-14,26 “evening” of “trampling” of the temple judgment accounting.

The recovery will come after 3.19 years has passed to fulfill Daniel 8:13-14,26.

Then the final warning will emerge, lest anyone doubt now, check back a number of years after the JW org is smashed, coming up “soon, very soon”.

Your Deliverance is Getting Near!—The Question is: Deliverance to What?

Apostate Bethel’s Main Delusion: The End is Near, Jehovah’s Day is Here! – is a Signal of The Final Apostasy

JWs are about to be tossed into a global HOAX, and a Pied Piper self-fulfilling prophecy.


[QUOTE who=”Newtonian”]BetheljudgmentDan8-14soon – So, do you ascribe to the 7th day adventist ‘investigative judgment’ interpretation of Daniel 8:14?


That comes on the JW anointed Christian apostate “wrong condition” temple, as temple judgment in the near future:

Timed Temple Judgment of Jehovah’s Witnesses – Daniel 8:13-14

Daniel 8:13-14 Details the Coming Temple Judgment of Jehovah’s Witnesses

The reason why Daniel 8:13-14 MUST be used first in its timing is:

1. To have a timed verification of 3.19 years of JW org destrcution desolation period, to convince others Daniel 8:13-14 is the temple judgment parallel of Revelation 8:3-5.

2. To begin Revelation 8-11, in JW desolations (Rev8) and eventual “right condition” recovery of Rev9.

3. To wear out the “seven seals” and 1260 days errors which will start to be spoken as this “tribulation of those days” begins, with that substantial 1150 day minimum, 2300 day probable, temple judgment timing of Daniel 8:13-14,26.

Overall this will put JWs in the global spotlight of judgment, on center stage, so that when the temple judgment arrives at the 1260 days warning prior to world government, it will have plenty of attention for that final, “second witness” of the “two witnesses” final sovereign warning, this time of Messianic Kingdom completion certainty.

2 witnesses, x 1260 days each, 1914-1918 and future, is 2520 days as “seven times” full warning and allowance completed. That is why Revelation 8-11 has two fulfillments, why there are two witnessings, and each pertains to God’s Kingdom, and the final one to the Messianic Kingdom.

World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3), triggers Christ’s arrival.

8th King World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3; Dan12:11), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

Because Bethel will not divulge that SIMPLE SUMMARY, they are removed first in the process.
And it is Daniel 8:13-14 events and timing in the Daniel 11:41-43 global context of Revelation16:1-9 first four plagues, in which the first four trumpets of the Temple Judgment of Jehovah’s Witnesses emerge as parallel with a final “sword stroke” world war based “tribulation of those days”.

8th King/King North World Government as Simple as Possible

Temple Judgment to World Government to Christ Arrival

Babylon the Great Deposed Under World Government


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you are so good at making stuff up!!!……….. the problem is, the same thing you are pretending to condemn them about now, to get jws to sit tight, is the same thing you said got rutherford APPROVED !!!!

he invented a premature arrival of christ and the end of the world in 1914 …….. 2 thess 2 ; 2 .
and you claimed it was such a good hoax that god approved him !!!!!……… and then his garbage was the TEMPLE!!!!

now you are claiming that because the jw gov body is claiming its the end of the world, they are fulfilling 2 thess 2; 2 running ahead, and are therefore not approved cause its a hoax!!!!

is the jw gov body paying you to make up stuff to convince jws to sit tight, cause it will all be peachy keen soon?

boy are you both going to be surprised when the anti-christ devours you………… mmmm yummie fake new jerusalem mmmmmmm BURP!!!!![/QUOTE]


JWs should FLEE, Matt24:15, and go home and wai on Jehovah for real.

Big Stick Rutherford Clubs the 1917 First Coup Attempt in the Head

I call it like I see it. Rutherford was the most important apostle in the modern JW development, because had he not walked softly and carried a big bat to club the budding GB in the head in 1917, JWs never would have been, the King North backed baord would have taken over JWs in 1917, rather than in 1976.

They failed. Their only next option was to try to toss JFR in prison, with the hopes of plan A failed, maybe a life prison sentence would quell the good news.

But alas, it is what is is, JFR kicked arse, and had God not backed him to do so, we would not know of Jehovah’s witnesses minsiterial truths today. THAT is why they ahd to wait until JFR died, in 1942, to then start to PEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP the “governign body” term in print.

They did this in 1944. They did not at first apply it to the baord, they introduced the idea of the GB first:

*** Theocratic Aid To Kingdom Publishers 1945 p. 299 Lesson 76 ***

The Rise of the Roman Catholic Hierarchy

“”The organization and development of the Roman Catholic Hierarchy dates from the time of the launching of fusion religion by the Roman emperor Constantine in A.D. 325. It does not date from nor have its source in the original governing body of the apostles. All such claims to apostolic succession and origin are false, and the Hierarchy’s structure is grossly contrary to the original Theocratic organization as established by Christ Jesus.””

In time that pack fo snakes became the Governing Body of Spiritual Necromancy of todays JWs.

Had they tried that when Rutherford was around, he would have put them on hot rails to the alley dumpster, where the GB belongs and where God will toss them soon. The Governign Body are spiritual garbage men.


Rutherford caught on to the board shenanigans right off the bat, and clubbed those whiny beeyatches accordingly, in 1917.

JWs got lazy in 1976, and the GB cancer took fool metastasized root. The rest is the history of the apostasy of Jehovah’s witnesses.

Rutherford will probably be among the temple cleansing angel forces to clean out JW proper at the 3.19 year point of desolations. It looks like he is the only one with the balls to call the GB heap of garbage for what they are: APOSTATE CENTRAL.

That is why I admire the oversight of the judge, and will have a drink with him. They should have bought him 10 Beth Sarims and 100 Cadillacs for all he did with God’s aid for the Temple purity.

Long live “the Judge”! LOL

He is who made sure the first UN event of 1919, was connected to the 2nd UN event of 1945. By 1990 JWs not only SAID NOTHING ABOUT UN 3.0, they joined the wildbeast worship and “new world order” promotions global-crew as UN NGO for the UN Secretariat department of harlots.

THAT is what the GB has “governed” into JWs: UN and apostasy. They are the “man of lawlessness”, that when it did bud in 1917, JF Rutherford clubbed that snake on the head, in short order, wham, bam, BAM!

Well done!

Now JWs are stalled in 1945 relevance, are a UN allie grouop, and are butt kissing, man worshiping, self righteous, guilty, sheep beatign SELL OUTS.

And now cometh the Temple Judgment of Jehovah’s witnesses, NOT “the end” yet. (1Pet4:15-17)

The Governing Body Experiment—1944 to Present

1944 Governing Body Birthday—1914-1976 WTBTS Board of Directors Coup Finally Realized

1944: The Governing Body, UN Allied Apostate Leaders of the Implied “Wrong Condition” of Daniel 8:14


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I doubt that! But you are correct that the judgment starts with the house of God (definition of Bethel) – 1 Peter 4:17

This judgment involves the 3.5 times of Revelation 11:2,3 from 1914-1918 and the killing by the wild beast in 1918.

Curious what Scriptural basis you have for your interpretation of the sign of Jonah?


The big signal is the JW org going down for wildbeast collusion and apostasy. And it is for the “evening” of Daniel 8:14,26, or 1150 days, or 3 years. The timing and events are what will affirm this after the fact.

Since many people will try to apply the 1260 days way too soon, well before a whole truth is brought forth by God, it will be worn out during the Daniel 8:14 timing.

By the time the real 1260 days begins, the whole Daniel 8:13-14 will be complete as Zechariah 3:1-5, and Malachi 3:1-5. The “morning” of the recovery is the same as the opening of the abyss of Revelation 9, the Revelation 8 temple judgment is what puts anointed Christian ministry into that smoking abyss of the temple judgment.

The purpose is to warn of the ramifications of world government BEFORE it arrives, and JWs ministry is the only one with 2 UN prophecies that merely need to be connected to the last two of 1990 and future world government.

They are the target to try to destroy before that recovery can manifest, and they have been silent on the UN since 1990, when instead of say it was a 3rd UN prophecy (Dan8:23a; Dan11:30-31), they went UN NGO wildbeast partners, with the King North apostasy governing GB. (Dan8:12, Dan11:32a)

JWs will be recovered and will then have to expose the sins of their own house, and condemn the GB globally, and apologize to the world for all the crimes and sins of Bethel, then the final “right condition” will be met, and the true final warnign message of Messianic Kingdom completion will be commissioned into those approved for the “second witness” of the “two witnesses”, or that final 1260 days of the 2520 days “seven times” totality required.

“Seven times” offull fair warnign precedes Christ arrival, and the final prelude to expire before his arrival is the Revelation 11:1-10 “three and a half days” death state, which starts when that final warnign is ceased by world government. (Rev11:7; Rev13:5-7) “When they have COMPLETED” that final 1260days.

Thus the “three and a half days” second witness “death state” must merge into Daniel 12:11 1290 days, as Chrust arrives in that period, and its further 1290 days remainder is open for salvation. The secodn witness cessation is the definign feature of Daniel 12:11 “remove the constant feature” and that “place the disgusting thing” is world government.

Christ conquers as the 1290 truns to the 1335, only the “happy” enter the 1335 days, it is the cut off incept marker. Thus Christ is securign sheep the whole 1290 days he is present in it, then he wipes out the rival world government and the goats.

In this way the OPEN SALVATION MESSAGE is also part of the final warning, because ANYONE can be saved by choosing Christ and Christ’s Kingdom and God over the so-called “New World Order” of human world government.

Revelation 14 is the main post Christ arrival final sequence of the 1290 days paralell.


[QUOTE who=”Newtonian”]judgmentDan8:14 – On your post 47 – so now we go to the 7th angel with the 7 trumpets – do you actually think you are giving a simple summary????

In your post 47 you refer to the world government set up after the 1260 days – but you think this is still future!

Don’t you realize this world government is the 8th king which is the image of the wild beast? Don’t you realize then that this is the world government that ‘was’ after the 1260 days of 1914-1918 as the League of Nations, then was not in WWII, then is present again as the United Nations?


Don’t you realize the image is not the 8th King? Don’t you realize the UN is not world government in and of itself?

Nope. World Government in complete financial control (Dan11:42-43), military control (Rev16:16; Joel3:9-12) and legislative control (the UN center), is what will define world government AFTER this final global crash and world war resolves into their “solution”.

That coming global crash will render the national powers financially impotent, and thus sovereignless, and its world war will altogether be the “tribulation of those days” Phase 1, of the overall “great tribulation”.

This is because as bad as it may get in the next decade, full world government will be many times more dangerous, because all destructive power will be fully in king Satan’s hands, the main King of World Government.

The rest of the “great tribulation”, that is the “four winds” is under the “one hour” of complete world government. The United Nations is not the world government center it shall be after this final world war runs it course, and resolves into that final global presentation.

But you are on the right track, light years ahead of most of your peers, because JWs is the first pattern truth, which merely repeats for the finale, but to world government as the goal, rather than its inception League of Nations.

Keep watching and riding out the tribulation, and it will get clear what is really going on, it is all still based on the “first witness” of 1914-1918 events, that is world-war-to-world-government, but the League is not complete in world government as the UN will be after this final world war. It is that final “sword stroke” of Revelation 13:3, that is the parallel “abyss” which world government ascends from in Revelation 17:8-12.

The seven trumpets gauge everything from temple judgment to Christ arrival and conquest, yes it has to be simple to save simple people, but also have enough detail to warn world government powers, and complete the prophecy summary (Rev10:5-8). The seven trumpets parallel the seven plagues, wherein the plague on the air is the Christ arrival, thus it precedes slightly the 7th Trumpet which is total conquest.

It is all timed and gauged because the final warning is in the face simple, and to the point, and scheduled in approximated form. Christians paying attention will know exactly where we are the whole time. God is no fool, he gives a map to Christ, and it is the seven trumpets.

(Revelation 1:1) A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place.


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hey mr bethel-duddie-poopsDA14

it sure is fun watching you pretend to explain how your wicked 1914 printing company is the TEMPLE!!!!!!…..HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!………. HEHEHEHE, OMG!!!!!……… hehehe

i get such a good laugh out of your tricky talk.


You don’t get no laugh, the truth tortures vipers such as yourself.

The “temple” is anointed Christians. The WTBTS was a pen-like tool used to transmit prophecy and Bible information globally, which requires human effort and resources.

And yes, it [used to be] run by anointed Christians. Now it is run, as per Daniel 11:32a, by King North globalist intelligence infiltrators who plan to destroy the JW ministry, while they tell JWs it is “the end of the world” as the cover story.

That fake hoax delusion is the main clue of 2Thess2:1-2, and it is Bethel’s central “end of the world” mantra.

But it is a final world 3war cycle, that resolves into world government.

The hopes of the devils at Bethel, Mason and CIA-like agents, is JWs go down, and never get back up again to update the overall prophecy progress.

Spoiler: They fail (Rev9; Rev11:2-3; Hos6:1-3; Isa37:30-32), angels of God will fry out the CIA from Bethel’s network (Isa66:6; Isa31:8-9) at the Daniel 8:13-14 3.19 year point, of which events they will get a fair warning before some of their project managers are turned to white fine ash, in their untouched shoes, come the 1151st day of the temple judgment.

The get to meet El Destroyer, and he does know how to “go bump, in the night” of that “evening” of Daniel 8:13-14,26.

Due warning precedes Abaddon’s manifestation among the CIA-like ops, in the JW org. He will be the last thing they ever see. The rest can flee on their own with wet shorts:

(Isaiah 31:9) . . .And his own crag will pass away out of sheer fright, and because of the signal his princes must be terrified,” is the utterance of Jehovah, whose light is in Zion and whose furnace is in Jerusalem.

That “crag” is this nest of Bethel internal fraud intel infiltrated into the JW org.

They will read this, before “White Heat, Red Hot” gets in their face in the true Temple cleansing of the physical trespassers “in the temple”. (2Thess2:1-4)

The spiritual cleansing “right condition” is reached after that cell of deceptions and override is downed and kicked OUT of “the temple” and its “established place” resource base global visible ministerial center.

The “Governing Body” entity is destined for the White Heat of Gehenna’s ashes. Them ops in their, some will be spared so they can take their story back to Camp King North, so they can all get ready to meet the Blazing King Christ, by completing world government, and getting their “War Machine” ready for Armageddon Battle.

Eventually, the fighting spirit will return to them. That’s the spirit! (Rev13:5-7; Rev11:7-10)

Armageddon is the divine bonfire of their world government log, when they are ready, complete, stated (1Thess5:1-3) and also completely fair warning forewarned. (Rev11:2-3)

Then, watch out Jack and the wildbeast he built! LOL

Once the main spigot of Russia’s external oil supply is threatened, no holds are barred.

Are do not know where that spigot is, but it is in the Middle East.

There are probably other powder kegs, but Middle Eastern oil is a very big game piece because it is very high quality crude, sizable amounts fuel Russia, even if they have domestic oil, it is not of the highest grade like the Middle east has, and that affects refinement costs.

The points of largest Russian foreign investment are the places where Uncle Sam’s and globalist fingers will start to probe, and when that happens, we will get the final world war event.

They are only positioning Russia and China’s balls at this time. And peace talk, affect markets positively, because Putin well knows, when they come for Russia’s balls, there are no holds barred at that time, treaties mean nothing when Russia’s life is on the line.

Conveniently, NATO is of such a scale they can handle Russia, China and the US downfall into national controlled chaos, all at the same time. Russia and China cannot fight both NATO, and control their own berserk crowds. Even with 100% resources on just NATO, they cannot handle NATO, it is four times bigger than Russia and China combined, they are done, just a matter of world war time. While Russia and China built globalist aiding ecomomies over the last 20 years, the globalist built ONLY NATO, and the alchemy of a financial system that aligns all nations resources to “Global NATO” completion.

THAT is why NATO will dust Russia and China, and they will surrender well before they are dustified 100%. Russia and China know they are outclassed 8:1, respectively. They know they must also use world war, to thin and control their own herds, as a team with the world government boys, to get a good seat in the final ring of the “ten kings” of world government helpers.

And THAT power balance tip was built over the last 20 years, it is why the globalist have bet on NATO and super tech military to take it all by force, rather than win by production. But, the globalist have one by debt production and financial control, making their world government victory doubly certain. They control all global production by finance and force. In combination they prevail as foretold.

Now people often look at the US national whole (and its horrible debt scenario) and think it is what dictates “US” success against Russia. But it is irrelevant, NATO can also handle the US plunge into shore to shore chaos, and invade and take the US nation all at the same time, while they pound the Middle East, Russia and China into submission. Russia, China AND THE US, will all be fighting NATO, just in different ways, Global NATO is what subdues all of them.

And therein is the main US smokescreen and aid of its downfall also, into world government subservience of Daniel 11:42-43 and Revelation 17:11-13 and Daniel 11:44-45, Dan8:25.

Some speculate they may use Russia, to help subdue US and Australia. And they may, in reality, they are all in on it together to form world government, US+Russia+Chinese elite councils.

And it will all be shown on TV, so we shouldn’t miss one episode of world government coming into being through the use of the final world war production.



[QUOTE who=”Lordylordy9111″]You have defeated freedom by giving NATO supreme power over war. I do not believe it is too late to defeat evil. NATO is positioning themselves to fight for control over Syria. I think for the past few weeks US troops are flooding back into Syria and advancing in Aleppo, and once done will move to another city. US troops are not fighting with the Kurds or Al-Qaeda who want to remove IS. So the US agenda is oil, gold, diamonds, menerals, etc. but mainly the US wants the gold and oil like in Libya where they are today confiscating Libyan gold mines and oil amid the crisis and turmoil IS is creating in Libya which works in favor of the US agenda. Yemen is on it’s way to being cleaned out by Saudi Arabia/US.

Tying these US/NATO invasions into events with the KN and the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ we should have confidence that this is Jesus arrival to fix what is broke (Revelation 17:13-14; Zechariah 3:9; Micah 4:6). It is 180 turn from his first arrival (Luke 12:51-52).[/QUOTE]

It will lead to that. But George Foreman did not get Joe Frazier in the Caesar’s parkign lot and kick his arse. He waited until they got into the ring.

Same with Christ, NATO is not ready for battle yet. They need 100% global military control, and the completed world government banner, and then the Armageddon Ring will be ready for the fight.

In that process many people can come to the awareness of the meaning of the world government completion, and that can lead to the salvation of millions.

It will be a finale in all aspects of the prophecy and global government development.

What is coming is the “tribulation of those days”, of which Christ will not arrive until AFTER it is complete.

“Immediately after the tribulation of those days” is when Christ shows up. And even then, “the end” is NOT one of the features of the prophecy:

(Matthew 24:29-31) “Immediately after the tribulation of those days

1. the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

2. 30 And then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven,

3. and then all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in lamentation, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

4. 31 And he will send forth his angels with a great trumpet sound, and they will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds, from one extremity of the heavens to their other extremity.

That is just the sheep salvation phase!

Then, it is the conquest phase.

That is going to take some time and doing.


That is why endurance is required to complete the good news proclamation:

(Matthew 24:13-14)

1. 13 But he that has endured to the end is the one that will be saved.

2. 14 And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.

Global NATO is the global military label of the “scarlet wildbeast” “10” “horns” of war power. In time, they get 100% control of all global military, that is what a Mountain of Megiddo means, the (Earth) Mountain of the Military Conglomeration of Joel 3:9-17, completed.

Then they are ready to meet Christ for War like they aint ever seen a War be fought, hell, they will be fighting ALL OF the pissed off angels of God Almighty’s “powerful ones” (Joel3:11) and the whole 144000 Kingdom of Christ Immortal Forces.

Poor guys.

Well, they might as well give it the best shot they can, I guess.

(Amos 2:16) . . .And as for one strong in his heart among the mighty men, naked is how he will flee in that day,’ is the utterance of Jehovah.”

And that flight aint to far:

(Amos 9:1-5) . . .No one fleeing of them will make good his flight, and no one escaping of them will make his getaway. 2 If they dig down into She′ol, from there my own hand will take them; and if they go up to the heavens, from there I shall bring them down. 3 And if they hide themselves on the top of Car′mel, from there I shall carefully search and be certain to take them. And if they conceal themselves from in front of my eyes on the floor of the sea, down there I shall command the serpent, and it must bite them. 4 And if they go into captivity before their enemies, from there I shall command the sword, and it must kill them; and I will set my eyes upon them for bad, and not for good. 5 And the Sovereign Lord, Jehovah of the armies, is the One touching the land, so that it melts; and all the inhabitants in it will have to mourn; and it will certainly come up like the Nile, all of it, and sink down like the Nile of Egypt.


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Do you believe that the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ means that only Jesus and the angels fight KN and his evil army, like Jesus’ invisible army of angels battles all the evil fleshly armies of KN and the 2nd coming of Jesus Chrizt means Armageddon?[/QUOTE]

He comes to the temple first. Physical fighting of humans is useless against King North. The Kingdom totality in spirit form descend on those contenders.

Before that the temple must be restored for a complete final warning prior to world government, when it can be of use.

They cannot stop the second witness, by fire of God, and the angels of Christ frying out the current temple trespassers will be a sign to King North that this is no joke.

After the warning is completed in a full 1260 days of valid summary, they can depose that final warning. But by then all are sealed, and the next thing they will eb dealing with is the complete Kingdom of Christ.

That is why we cannot get to engrossed in all the distractions leading to and coming with the final world war. There will be a final world war. We need patience and endurance because Christ’s war will get a full fair warning because some even from the enemy ranks can surrender to Christ and live.

But you are correct, it is a different kind of arrival, it is to the temple first to get the flock back together. And salvation is to be the main message, ANYONE can submit to the global and universal authority of Christ, of course, it comes with some conditions of playing by his rules, of course.

I mean the only alternative is NWO destruction, so it is a good and just and fair deal. Obviously, the way of life of sinner Adamic men, can benefit from the change of agreeing to come under Christ’s power and discipline as a new way of life, that starts in the temple first, where it always has to set the example. Now we have a horrible example in the people fo JWs, they are like little GB clones.

All I am saying is this final cycle is drawn out, because thereby more people can come to understand this is all real and serious and thereby get saved by full repentance.

It is not going to be a slam dunk, it is going to be an “hour of test” and it is goign to have a final warning mission that will get clear as a bell, once the temple obstructors are removed, they are the only impediment to progress even now.

The Christ option is pretty much a great offer, anything beats the current state of man. But Christ brings true eternal life and perfection, so it will be brought in as per Matthew 6:10, they cannot stop it, they can only resist and try. But they fail, that is the point.

The final warning is enough to warn the top of world government, yet simple enough for a seven year old to catch on to easily. It is the HEART that dictates how easily we see the plot of completion (Rev10:5-11), that all things complete in this phase, even the enemy system.

Plus we are soon going to have many commentators claiming the 1260 days has begun, but they too will be premature, the Daniel 8:14 timign must transpire to final “right condition” before the final warnign 1260 days can start.

Bethel is just one of these errors of prematurity, they fail first. Now they are going to change the JW message to “one of judgment”, but it is just to make JWs into laughing stock when people see only Bethel is to be destroyed. Then what are JWs going to do?

They will have to listen, or join the hypocrite weeds.


We have a ton of work to do. No reason to try to ruch the process, or expect Christ anywhere but in the temple, first. Many people have to yet get the full complete total warning.

JWs have been deluded, so the King North Bethel ops can destroy the org, and use the “its the end of the world” as the covering story the whole time, while herding JWs to capture at the same time, all by the mouth of the GB Pied Pipers.

When they start to go for the org, it is all going to get far realer than at this time. We are goign into the final great cycle of Revelation and King North maturity, so this is a cycle, not “the end” yet, except for apostate Bethel.

When Bethel is down, and all the liars are dead or gone, then it will all come out with huge evidence this is all true as Daniel 8:13-14.


[QUOTE who=”Lordylordy9111″]KN is a recast of Nebuchadnezzar as well as Bethel’s apostasy today is a complete recast of Israel’s apostasy in Daniel and Jeremiah’s day (Daniel 9:9-10). You said that yourself when you have compared the two many times.

God came and gathered is remnant and sheepfold when Joshua, Zeberebbabel, and the Hebrews repented after the 70 years trampling (Micah 4:6).

KN is none other than satan himself. He will be removed from rulership of his kingdom just as Nebuchadnezzar (Daniel 7:26). God gives and take kings power.
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Daniel 2:37-38 NIV

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Daniel 9:24-26 NIV

KN is a recast of Nebuchadnezzar. He is great throughout the earth but he comes to his end because he was disobedient to God.

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Daniel 4:22 NIV

Daniel tells Nebuchadnezzar the things that will soon be recast by KN.

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Daniel 4:17 NIV

I completely believe KN today is a recast of Nebuchadnezzar and Bethel is a recast of Israel and we are in the middle of that fulfillment.


That’s why we have these actually simple patterns.

Now as far as “doomsday” “AS THOUGH slaughtered to death” it is the period they want everyone expecting the end and anti-Christ and all that stuff. WHY?

Because it is in the good times, in the “sword stroke got healed” phase when all that decoy counterfeit stuff actually comes, NOT in this “doomsday” HOAX phase.


Because it will discredit the entire Christian prophecy complex! By the time Satan is ready to become king of world government, it will be past the peak “tribulation of those days”, it will be in an upswing in the tune of a quadrillion in gold and hard assets to boost the recovery.

By that time it is not just JW premature prophecy failures that will discredit it all, Christendom will also fail every step of the way, there will be no doomsday, there will be no Christ arrival, and so on, it comes at the end of the world government phase by then in its recovery mode, to sell world government under greatly positive world conditions in a “healing” .

Then when the final complete warning does come forth, many will think it is just a joke that will not die, it will have layers of discrediting to get through to reach many people, but not all will be fooled. The final warning completes at the very time “the end of the world” becomes the last thing on people’s mind, blinded by that final world peace statement of world government, backed by trillions in recovery. (1Thess5:1-3)

That is why they want to hype all these premature and false expectations of 2Thess2:1-2 hoax expectations for the “tribulation of those days”, which will be severe, but it will not really be “doomsday”, it is just the final global “problem” cycle to resolve into the world government global “solution” phase.

But the JW fake prophecy will fail first, and in that it will cause a global stir. If we think JWs are the butt of jokes and the spectacle now, wait until Bethel is crashed in ruins allaround them with their “its the end of the world” signs. THEN is when the laughing stock phase will go into full gear.

BUT, then is also when the reality of the situation has to come forth, hundreds of times more powerful than these little hints at what is really going on.

Be patient, a lot has to still happen, and JWs will continue to be the center of attention, so when the final real rundown does come, the focus will be on JWs so the recovery can be foretold before and as it is happening.

(Isaiah 28:18-19) And your covenant with Death will certainly be dissolved, and that vision of yours with Sheol will not stand. The overflowing flash flood, when it passes through—you must also become for it a trampling place. 19 As often as it passes through, it will take you men away, because morning by morning it will pass through, during the day and during the night; and it must become nothing but a reason for quaking TO MAKE OTHERS UNDERSTAND what has been heard.” (Dan11:41; Dan8:13-14)

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That’s Not so outlandish as it sounds. I’m sure the CIA can learn many brainwashing techniques from the JW their remit maybe control of population in future. and the jw seem to experts at doing this for a portion of the population.


It is the other way around. The GB cell is the same technique used to infiltrate and control corporations and governments. JWs are just the same techniques the globalists use in all of Christendom and political movements to brainwash for control.

You will know this is true when next they have JWs out in force with their “its the end” signs and T-shirts, whilst Bethel is all that is beign destroyed by the globalists, and because of the UN NGO God will allow it.

Then they will bundle JWs in the “bunkers” and haul them off to WalMart processing centers. And it will all be on TV. JW org goes down first. Then you will know this globalist infiltration synopsis is true. It will be Daniel 8:13-14 first 1150 day phase of desolations.

In time a humbled JW crew will recover and tell this same story, because it gives affirmation of th final warning locale, because globalist world government will then trigger the Christ arrival when complete.

The CIA aint hiding from them pissed off angels of God. They oughta start running today, that way they may get an extra day. (Amos9)

But it is an OPEN SALVATION MESSAGE FOR ALL. Christ will secure saved sheep, before he starts to pound the living daylights out of the world government rival of his God given universal and gloabl throne.

Choose the NWO, become food for the coyotes, choose Christ’s Kingdom and walk into the restoration of all planet earth, it is that simple.

By that time a decade plus from JW org down time, it will all get much clearer than now, and starting the desolations on apostate JWs, is how JWs will remain the center of attention for those tracking this religious debacle into its discipline and recovery phase.

They think they can destroy Jehovah’s witnesses, but it is just the temple purification. Jehovah’s witnesses will become as usual the center of the “second witness” of the “two witnesses” of final warning. Their are 2 witnessing (Rev11:2-3) of Revelation 11, past and future, total 1260 days X 2, = 2520 days as that “seven times”, “time, times and half a time” twice.

The warning occurs BEFORE world government completes, because its final sovereign defiant completion and “grandiose words” global claims of rulership will indeed trigger the Christ of God and whole bunch of mad as hell angels upon world government and their impotent NATO defense unit.

Then the fur will fly on that “scarlet wildbeast”. Very simple. It is the final warning.


[QUOTE who=”Nomi”]It was brought out in a recent talk I heard, that the large numbers are growing continue to be added. So I believe that to be true. [/QUOTE]

A decline can be hidden in a 1% “growth” rate. This is why WTBTS is now liquidating like crazy, to get down to the real sub 6 million JW numbers. 1-3% growth is as good as a -1%-3% decline, it is pathetic, and it is in contraction due to plainly lawless policy governed by the body o JW governors, illegal Christ usurping non-anointed frauds from Satan and King North. (Dan11:32a)

If you want to look at statistical growth of JWs, that leaked under Knorr in 1975, with 5 stratight years of 10-15% true growth.

It goes into statistical decline the very year of 1976, when the GB sinned against God with their usurpation coup stunt and many sins from then, to the UN NGO 15 years later. The GB is the JW worst enemy “in the temple”. It goes into decline from 1976 to today’s negative growth rate, all overseen by the illegal GB of apostasy. (Dan8:12; Dan11:32a)

That is why they are trying to sell JWs “the end” way way too soon, as per 2Thess2:1-2, they want to capture any sucker JW who puts his life in the GB and their bunker plan.


Trust in Jehovah and Christ, not the spiritually dead fakes of the GB, who are now beign exposed until God destroys them and completes their exposure as apostate and impostor frauds there to try to aid the destruction of the JW org, and they are going to get darn close to their goal, because JWs have sinned against God, and He will allow the JW org “trampling” of Daniel 8:13-14, for 3.19 years, so you can prove Daniel 8:14,26 to yourself by that required desolation timing.

JWs are not in approval, that is why it has been in constant downward spiral decline since the GB took the illegal authority.

But it fulfills prophecy alright, the final signal apostasy and wildbeast collusion is now in the JW house. (1Pet4:15-17) Plus many other criminal activities such as child abuse and money laundering in the billions. That will all come to a head come JW org takedown time, probably in 2017 sometime, since they nixxed the latest calendar, so that is when it is probably scheduled for global legal assualt. And guilty it is.

There is no need for a JW org calendar, its apostasy time is coming to its end.


[QUOTE who=”sean”]”BetheljudgmentDan8-14soon wrote

Many make these kinds of mistakes, reading an overview as if it is a fixed sequence. The Matthew 19:28 REGENERATION, or recreation, is HUGE. It includes all life on earth (hence Ezekiel 47), so death AND Hades is the broadest meanign of all things in hades (which includes the animals) and the entire earthly death complex (see Rom8:18-22). (Heb2:14; 1Cor15:26)”


Yes I agree on that. That’s why I believe that Rev 14 is speaking about the first resurrection and great crowd.

Revelation 20 is ‘also’ speaking about the first resurrection and great crowd.

Otherwise we will be creating a third group that lives for a thousand years that I don’t see anywhere in the bible. I know of the two. The only other group is the one which gets thrown into the lake of fire.( Second death)

Its the same groupings.

You have to see prophetic vision as a ‘whole’. What the prophet was seeing in ONE vision could infact be spanning of thousands of years. Then we also got a lot of symbolism involved, that does not indicate physical reality.



It should be obvious in Revelation 14:1-5 that the 144000 are immortal and sinless, first resurrection, new robes paralell group. (Rev6:9-11)

The “great crowd” must still be “led to waters of life”, so they are not sinless and immortal. Nor are they dead, the launder their existing robes (lives), in Christ’s blood, they never have to die.

Thus, they cannot be the same group.

If you mean the “harvest of the earth” sheep (Rev14:14-16), yes that will be the same as the “great crowd” who will require more refinement to become 100% sinless, right here on Earth, where the Kingdom and the Temple have “come”, “let your kingdom come”: to Earth. No one is “goign to heaven”, the Kingdom is kicking arse on the world government boys and destroying them and sending Satan to the pit, to TAKE OVER THIS HERE PLANET! No need to go anywhere, heaven comes to earth, so to speak (Rev21-22)

That is how the “great crowd” stand before the Throne, in his Temple, complete, for it is now extended to Earth under the near start of the 1000 year reign of Christ, King-Priest. (Matt6:10; Rom8:18-22))

So, none of Revelation 14 is in the 1000 year reign, it is in the Christ arrival final judgment parallel of Matthew 25:31-46.

Revelation 11:7-12 (Rev11:11-12 Christ arrival parallel), leads to Revelation 14:1 (the anointed completion, parallel Rev7:1-4 culmination), and thus the final cycle under an arrived Christ completing the sheep gathering of Matthew 24:29-31 phase. (post tribulation, under world government going into world peace, one hour, parallel Rev14:1-20 phase)

Revelation 14 is in the Christ arrival period of the 1290 days remainder (Dan12:11), when Christ saves sheep, then, afterwards, removes the goats, before the 1000 year reign is begun as 100% under his power, with ZERO dissenters present, hence the “happy” of the 1335 days, cut off.

(The two witnesses 3.5 day symbolic death-state (Rev11:7-10; Dan12:11 “remove the constant feature”)) is the final prelude period to expire into the Christ arrival, Rev11:11-12, and that starts Revelation 14.)

That whole 1290 days parallel (expired as far as the death-state, a short period) is open for salvation. It starts with the completion of Revelation 14:1, and proceeds through the open salvation call to all humans (Rev14:6-7; (backed by angels)) during the destruction of Christendom and all religions of Earth (Rev14:8).

In essence, Christ arrives to complete his own ministry. (Matt10:23) PERSONALLY!


Many people will come out from the world government decreed destruction of their cherished religious slaveries and corporations, into salvation as the Revelation 11:13 parallel of “a tenth the (BTG) city fell” into salvation. Of course, some will go down with Babylon the Great.

That is all taking place in the Revelation 14:1-8 final sequence timeline. It is all under full world government of Revelation 13:15-18 and Revelation 17:8-18.

It all ties together perfectly with no glitches, such as the one in your attempt at harmonizing this synergy of the final period “one hour” of world government final allowed rivalry which is the Revelation 14 parallel phase.

To get to true harmony, we have to accept the “first witness” patterns already explained by JWs. Modern apostate JWs have some modern update ignored errors, UN NGO, GB frauds and so on, but their Revelation framework is 100% accurate as to its flow, cross relationship, and main symbol meanings. We gotta start there, to understand the final cycle repeat of this dual fulfillment of Revelation to completion.

That is why there are TWO (2) witnesses, and the second one will explain this to the world, from restored Jehovah’s witnesses, after they have gone down in the coming temple judgment. (Dan8:13-14; Zech3:1-5)

[QUOTE who=”ihveit”]<quoted text>

ihv its been a long day and night with trying to get things done and helping my wife so i wont cut corners
you are one lying piece of crap… you call us liars but refuse to fully look into the past history of your false prophet… you act like you know all about the very complicated doctrines of the bible but cant even do the simple ones… i have shown you and your ilk wrong so many times..

you call us liars but you would chit your pants before checking out what we say for accuracy and prove us wrong

so continue runniny your mouth cause trolls are seeing the lying person you are…

you allow your own leaders to use the same scripture and pyramid measurements and time tables to support a false doctrine of 1874 then change it with the same numerical crap to 1914…. and you are fed this crap and you eat it like candy



False. I expose the roots of the JW apostasy and the prophecy of its UN NGO main “transgression causing desolation” of Daniel 8:13 as guided by the “Governing Body” temporary and doomed control device.

The Governing Body Experiment—1944 to Present

1944 Governing Body Birthday—1914-1976 WTBTS Board of Directors Coup Finally Realized

1944: The Governing Body, UN Allied Apostate Leaders of the Implied “Wrong Condition” of Daniel 8:14

But I do not toss the baby with the dirty UN-Bethel bathwater, and I condemn the GB entity and its illegal method of “leading into apostasy” the formerly anointed Christian guided Jehovah’s witnesses faith. (Dan11:32a; Dan8:12)

Keep The Baby, Throw Out Dirty Bethel Bathwater

Jehovah’s witnesses are not 100% error, in fact it is the overall truth, that is why the GB invaded the place to try to subvert that truth, and to a large degree they will be “successful” and “effective” as per Daniel 8:12, and Daniel 11:30b-31, and will lead JWs into apostasy as per Daniel 11:32a, and cause major stumbling as per Daniel 11:33-35.

They hope most dodo birds, like yourself, will just assume JWs must be a total lie, like the churches, but it is not a total lie, it is just the final signal apostasy (2Thess2:1-4) to be judged as the final tribulation of those days and final world war begin, to further the overall distraction.

You’re nearly nuts anyways, you probably won’t avoid the FEMA sweep of your own region when you lose all income during this mega-crash, so it don’t matter what insults or ideas a cracked-nut tries to concoct, it will fail as bad as apostate JWs for this phase. Since Katrina and then the BP oil spill, Louisiana is a slated for NATO domination by force, subs are all over the gulf and roll into the Missippi regularly, as all complete access was engineered during the Katrina recovery phase and the BP thingy.

They plan to have some trouble with Texas, not you guys, but you are in the locus of main Missippi River NATO water deployment area, into the heart of all the US. I thought you guys knew all this already from Jesse Ventura’s reports? You oughta move to Baja.


[QUOTE who=”red blood relative”]<quoted text>

yikes, mr betheldudietwoshoes, !!!!!!

are you pretending to be the 1914 temple angel?……….. you know, the one who invents the numerology to so you can keep the charade going? ,,,,,,,,, 1914+ 120 = 2034?

do you get to be the chief 1914 temple dudie who runs the show later???
sorta like rutherford?………… gee, that sound like fun……….. but, don’t you care that you go to gehenna for the whole charade?

what if jws start figuring out that the real temple doesn’t show up till the bride is complete and comes down from heaven after the marriage?………… have you got some ideas on how to stop them from figuring that out?……… cause you won’t have much fun being the temple dudie running the show if you don’t have any members. [/QUOTE]

Glad you brought it up.

Its not a TEMPLE at this time, it is the “TENT”, the symbol of incompletion:

(Hebrews 8:1-2) 8 Now as to the things being discussed this is the main point: We have such a high priest as this, and he has sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens, 2 a public servant of the holy place and of the true tent, which Jehovah put up, and not man.

Which means it completes in all 144000 to be the Temple, in Rev14.

Before it is complete in all 144000 under Christ, it is always called “tent”:

(Revelation 15:5-6) 5 And after these things I saw, and the sanctuary of the TENT of the witness was opened in heaven, 6 and the seven angels with the seven plagues emerged from the sanctuary. . .

Then the “Temple” is completed:

(Revelation 11:19) . . .And the TEMPLE [sanctuary] of God that is in heaven was opened, and the ark of his covenant was seen in his TEMPLE [sanctuary]. And there occurred lightnings and voices and thunders and an earthquake and a great hail.

(Revelation 14:15) And another angel emerged from the TEMPLE. . .

(Revelation 14:17) And still another angel emerged from the TEMPLE . . .

In the meantime, it is still the TENT:

(Hebrews 9:9) . . .This very [TENT] is an illustration for the appointed time that is now here, and in keeping with it both gifts and sacrifices are offered.. . .

That is an “appointed time” of temple COMPLETION.

(Hebrews 9:11-12) . . .However, when Christ came as a high priest of the good things that have come to pass, through the greater and more perfect TENT not made with hands, that is, not of this creation, 12 he entered, no, not with the blood of goats and of young bulls, but with his own blood. . .

But the “temple” still refers to fleshly anointed even prior to completion. But in Revelation and this final phase coming up, it will be about the completion of the 144000 as the Temple for this finale conquest of Christ.


[QUOTE who=”Sean”]But lets get it straight? Who is the husband? Cant be God. Do you get the logic? WHO comes down? The bride or the bridegroom?

So if ‘man’ is the bride…then how on earth can the great crowd already be on earth?

Bethulgudgement, I do appreciate your views but you have to use some logic.


Sean, the bride is the 144000, the children are the humans of earth perfected in Christ’s physical and spiritual perfection, which is the potential outcome:

(Isaiah 54:1-3) . . .“Cry out joyfully, you barren woman that did not give birth! Become cheerful with a joyful outcry and cry shrilly, you that had no childbirth pains, for the sons of the desolated one are more numerous than the sons of the woman with a husbandly owner,” Jehovah has said. 2 “Make the place of your tent more spacious. And let them stretch out the tent cloths of your grand tabernacle. Do not hold back. Lengthen out your tent cords, and make those tent pins of yours strong. 3 For to the right and to the left you will break forth, and YOUR OWN OFFSPRING will take possession even of nations, and they will inhabit even the desolated cities.

The Bride has far more than the 144000 that God’s “woman” bears, and is not the woman of Isa 54, Christ Bride is:

(Isaiah 9:6) . . .Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. . .

And Christ is father of many human children to come:

(Psalm 45:16) 16 In place of your forefathers there will come to be your sons, Whom you will appoint as princes in all the earth.

Eternal Father being also Prince of Peace, those are also princes of peace, Christ’s human children as such through “Last Adam” and the implied Eternal Mother, his bride.

(Revelation 22:17) . . .And the spirit and the bride keep on saying: “Come!” And let anyone hearing say: “Come!” And let anyone thirsting come; let anyone that wishes take life’s water free.

They are saying come, to mankind, not to themselves, they have already drank the water.

Mankind is in no posiiton to be Christ’s bride, there is much re-learning yet required, the ways of obedience and peace. The Bride conquers prior to all mankind given the opportunity. That is why there is a small number, it aint as easy as people seem to think, in fact a final call has even to be made, to complete that smaller number:

(Matthew 22:7-10) . . .“But the king grew wrathful, and sent his armies and destroyed those murderers and burned their city. 8 Then he said to his slaves, ‘The marriage feast indeed is ready, but those invited were not worthy. 9 Therefore go to the roads leading out of the city, and anyone YOU find invite to the marriage feast.’ 10 Accordingly those slaves went out to the roads and gathered together all they found, both wicked and good; and the room for the wedding ceremonies was filled with those reclining at the table.

JWs and Bethel are not that “city of murder” that must be destroyed in the JW org, to allow the final call. Many JW anointed must pass on to foolish virgin status, as misled by the devilish GB hooligans of modern final signal apostasy.


[QUOTE who=”MICHELLE WI”]The convention of course Is about staying loyal and all about Satan…

More scare tactics..

And due to everyone leaving the deadly cult of Jws, they really are focusing on staying close to the organization and all about Satan to scare them even more than before !

They are afraid of losing too many members, the money will be a lot less and that makes them paranoid…[/QUOTE]

The whole point of that fear, is to draw all fear to the BLIND OBEDIENCE to the JW org, and its Pied Piper.

Big, huge global-events are gearing up as many are warning from Ron Paul to Alex Jones, and in that massive upheavel they plan to destroy the JW org, hence no need for more JW calendars is the little signal.

In that process they want to herd JWs to capture, and they want JWs to show up on thier onw dime, and in their own car pools, to bunkers for capture.

THAT is why the hype hits the Crescendo of Mind Control, amped by the Frenzy of Fear, in the convention themes, they want all of the “flock meant for the killing” to show up, and that Zechariah 11 “flock” is JWs, in apostasy, so God will permit it. (Dan8:13-14)

The main Flute of the JW Pied Piper is the JW Media, especially them mind-controlling infantile Fear Based videos.

This is why they just recently introduce the JW Media JW mind control system. It is expensive, and they wanted to wait to right before the corporate takeover, to introduce it to maximze their haul. And this is why the JW org is in heavy liquidations, and heavy begging, to maximize the loot haul for the JW org crash cycle. It is so easy to see, it is hidden in plain sight.

But as per 2Thess2:1-2, JWs are over-excited by the doomsday hype, so they can’t see a thing but the door to the bunker they must flee to. The flood of Isaiah 28 is coming for the JW org in heavy UN apostasy, but JWs are on the wrong ship, Bethel Titanic will sink, and it will take all JWs trusting in that vessel down with itself.

The GB wants to drag JWs down with themselves, as an entity flagged for removal. And as usual, God will use secular legal authorities to depose JW org, and it is heavy in real crimes, so it will be easy to do as far as justifying it to the world, who also now is starting to hate the JW org mind control tactics.

This means, overall, people will not sympathize with JW org when the flood comes. Of course, some people being basically better than JWs, they will help JWs as per Rev12. Those people are the ones slated for the judgment of the sheep, for their kind deeds, to JWs who are pretty much self-righteous, condoning Bethel crimes, and ruined by the GB pedophile father figure.


[QUOTE who=”Lordylordy9111″]<quoted text>

I am not sure if I made it clear in the post you replied to was comparing (recast) KN to Nebuchadnezzar in reference to is earthly meaning in connection with God’s people and the 70 year trampling. God saved His remnant and His flock when the trampling was complete (Micah 4:6). God literally went in and rescued His people. It was not an invisible one. Jesus Christ 2nd coming does not immediately trigger Armageddon. Many things must take place before that and it will be impossible for things to be fulfilled completely without Jesus delivering His people first as He did in the days of Micah and Joshua. It was not an invisible rescue.


I believe that. Some JWs will be captured in this evil sweep aided from within Bethel.

And some of them will be freed by angelic power, as Christ arrives in the tmeple first, like in a parousia well prior to his Kingdom conquest:

(Isaiah 49:24-26) . . .Can those already taken be taken from a mighty man himself, or can the body of captives of the tyrant make their escape? 25 But this is what Jehovah has said: “Even the body of captives of the mighty man will be taken away, and those already taken by the tyrant himself will make their escape. And against anyone contending against you I myself shall contend, and your own sons I myself shall save. 26 And I will make those maltreating you eat their own flesh; and as with the sweet wine they will become drunk with their own blood. And all flesh will have to know that I, Jehovah, am your Savior and your Repurchaser, the Powerful One of Jacob.”

And thus yes, Christ will free many captured JWs, maybe all of them. God and Christ will get the credit of the deliverance of Jehovah’s witnesses, because had they not sent the Destroyer’s angels out to make this save, JWs would have been 100% TOAST.

It will REQUIRE God’s angels, when “the evening” turns to “the morning” to free Jehovah’s witnesses, as the Destroyer is the same angel who destroyed 185,000 Assyrians, and he will do the same to King North anti-JW forces, and they will get due warning before he goes out in that “evening” night and “bumps” some KN heads.

That is why the temple judgement prophecies are full of angels. The Destroyer will down the “Jerusalem” attempted sacking of the mdoern day King North Assyrian, in the selfsame manner.


KN Anti-JW force boys will be deposed, one way, or another, and it will scare the hell out the “crag” of the KN devils in JW proper, and they will skidaddle back to camp KN Assyria.

(Isaiah 31:8-9) And the Assyrian must fall by the sword, not [that of] a man; and a sword, not [that of] earthling man, will devour him. And he must flee because of the sword, and his own young men will come to be for forced labor itself.

9 And his own crag will pass away out of sheer fright, and because of the signal his princes must be terrified,” is the utterance of Jehovah, whose light is in Zion and whose furnace is in Jerusalem.

“his own young men will come to be for forced labor itself”, is “Compulsory service”, it is cryptic for death by the Destroyer. (meaning it is not Gehenna, they can be resurrected, they are just misled)

(Job 14:14) 14 If an able-bodied man dies can he live again? All the days of my compulsory service I shall wait, Until my relief comes.

The Destroyer is the anti KN FURNACE they will be tossed into, but just enough to secure the recovery and hence the final warning.

They will KNOW God’s FURNACE is indeed IN “Jerusalem”, once Abaddon gets done with them. It is real, it comes 3.19 years into the ful blown JW org desolations. (Dan8:13-14; Hos6:1-3; Isa37:30-32)

So indeed, Christ as a foregleam, will “arrive” in the temple, and will deliver JWs approved. Weeds are left behind, and “fool virgins” impostors and so on. A repentance period, I assume can be offered to those not repenting as quick as they should. Of course, it will have all this evidence to aid their awakening, all this will come true, it is Hosea 1:4-7 explicit prophecy, not a man.


(Isaiah 36:10) . . .And now is it without authorization from Jehovah that I have come up against this land to bring it to ruin? Jehovah himself said to me, ‘Go up against this land, and you must bring it to ruin.’”

There is more to this pattern. As in the above, Assyria knew Israel was given to the judgment of God by the words of Isaiah, Hosea, Amos, Micah and Joel. THEY KNEW IT WAS TRUE.

And today, because of UN NGO and a pile of illegal spiritual and secular transgressions, Bethel is given to Assyrian King North, THEY KNOW THIS, WHILE JWS DO NOT KNOW THIS.


As in Jerusalem in 740 BCE, because it did not take long for the King of Assyria to mosey on up to Jerusalem for a siege, after they got done with Samaria, God did NOT give Jerusalem to the judgment, that is the Judah of Hosea 1:4-7.

Assyria tried to over-extend the judgemnt, and also take Jerusalem, and they tried to sucker Jerusalem into surrender as per Isaiah 36-37. But they paid the price.

And same with the King North anti-JW operation, they want more than just the JW org “Israel” that has been given to them, they want all JWs too.

And they too, will pay the price, because as per Hosea 1:4-7, Micah 5:6-7, Isaiah 37, it is NOT given to them, and the same Destroyer will swoop into King North anti-JW operations and destory them too, when the desolation requirement and timing 1150 days has been met.

It is the same patetrn, they know they get Bethel, they think they can overstep the judgement and take all JWs. For this, they are dead wrong, and they will pay the price when that 1150 days ends.

IMO, God will cause a big anti-JW org event, so we will have a clear start point of the 1150 days in the future, it is “the evening” phase of the temple judgment, just half of it. It is followed by three years to total recovery, but Destroyer will cleanse the temple with the ashes of King North ops that are in and around the “temple”, they gotta go, and go they will, and like the King of Assyria, they get warning prior to their metting the Light and Furnace of Jerusalem, for he is no human being.

They will get the picture, they will know God is not gong to be silent nay longer (Rev8:1), and that He is back with a little taste of his vengeance. That is when most assuredly, any rat left of the GB will be turned to ash. They are NOT escaping the vengeance on King North’s anti-JW op.


[QUOTE who=”Lordylordy9111″]<quoted text>

My opinion is that all Christians who have been baptized in Jesus will be trampled. I don’t believe it with be exclusively JWs and I don’t believe Muslims and Monks will be excluded. I don’t believe those who risk their lives so others can know the truth will be excluded. Fritz spike of the great apostasy that has infiltrated all Churches including JW. It was an all out attack on Christianity but it did not exclude anyone who seeked the truth. Jesus is the Father of the Truth because God cannot lie. The 70 year trampling included the whole world and every righteous man. Corporate Church was totally taken by the wild beast in apostasy which was part of the trampling because they were forced to have the mark of the wild beast or they would not be able to buy or sell. This is part of the trampling (Revelation 13:16-17).

Jesus said that everyone who was not against Him was for Him. These would also experience the 70 year trampling because they are for us as Jesus told the disciples. That makes all those for us, one of us.

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Mark 9:38-41 NIV



It will be all Christians, the whole and whole Bible is the target. But unlike JWs, they need Christendom to complete the Israel final hoax decoy usage and acceptance. JWs, on the other hand, are not needed, and are dangerous, because the final warning WILL BE put in their mouth.

So KN wants to try to whack JWs and keep them in that Rev9 pit of the abyss. But God will overcome them by now invading their house, and killing their key leaders of the anti-JW org operation, as in Isaiah 38, he will set them back “ten steps”, because angels “whacking” these key project managers will delay them, plus, who is going to walk into a furnace knowing Michael is out with them lurking angels of Zechariah 1 all out in the “deep place” waiting to whack KN, and encamping for Jehovah so no one comes in, and no one gets out alive from that point forward.

(Zechariah 9:8) . . .And I will encamp as an outpost for my house, so that there will be no one passing through and no one returning; and there will no more pass through them a taskmaster, for now I have seen [it] with my eyes.

Nope, they will flee with wet shorts is what they will do (Isa31:8-9) when Team Destroyer starts to manifest IN THEIR RANKS, IN THEIR FACES, and that is the last thing those temple trespassing bozos will ever see.

Although they need the Christendom delusion mill for the Israel decoy phase to help lead people to world government, they can whack individual 666 resisting Christians, in fact, Revelation is so general here:

(Revelation 13:16-18) . . .And it puts under compulsion all persons, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free and the slaves, that they should give these a mark in their right hand or upon their forehead, 17 and that nobody might be able to buy or sell except a person having the mark, the name of the wild beast or the number of its name. 18 Here is where wisdom comes in: Let the one that has intelligence calculate the number of the wild beast, for it is a man’s number; and its number is six hundred and sixty-six.

ANYONE, ALL PERSONS, resisting the 666 will be a target. It is an attack even beyond the bounds of Christendom. You could be a lover your neighbor type Muslim, resistign 666, and still et saved, and hence still be a target of KN. ANYONE capable of beign saved, which means just about anyone, is a potential KN target!

Thus, the salvation WILL BE BIG, because anyone resisting the 666, is prime for salvation by reciprocation of the principle of what being marked 666 means. (Hence the Rev14:6-11 offer and warning.)

God is actually giving humans every possible angle to get saved.

1. Keep that 666 off you, get saved.
2. Be a love your neighbor person, get saved.
3. Have faith in Christ and God, get saved.
4. Choose Christ as King over the NWO losers, get saved.

It will be tough to get destroyed, but some people simply can’t respond to God’s kind offers. Some will perish, but not all.

That is why Christ completes his ministry, and it is about three and a half years, in Revelation 14. And Revelation 14:6-7 is clear as a bell, angels reach EVERYONE to offer the “last minute” message, to anyone responding:

(Revelation 14:6-7) . . .And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, and he had everlasting good news to declare as glad tidings to those who dwell on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people, 7 saying in a loud voice: “FEAR God and give him glory, because the hour of the judgment by him has arrived, and so worship the One who made the heaven and the earth and sea and fountains of waters.”

And that has to be as BTG is beign destroyed by world government, hence this announcement is AFTER the above has gone forth:

(Revelation 14:8) . . .And another, a second angel, followed, saying: “She has fallen! Babylon the Great has fallen, she who made all the nations drink of the wine of the anger of her fornication!”

So people from BTG can be saved, “a tenth the city” falls into salvation. (Rev11:13)

So when Christ said this:

(Matthew 10:23) When they persecute you in one city, flee to another; for truly I say to you, you will by no means complete the circuit of the cities of Israel until the Son of man arrives.

It means the earth ministry is incomplete UNTIL Christ arrives, and Revelation 11:11-12 is the start of Revelation 14, so Christ completes his own ministry in the remainder of the 1290 days, and in that period of “parousia” about to go full blown clobber the 8th King and NATO to smithereens, the final salvation is offered by Christ and the angels of God, personally, to every last person alive globally.

Only Christ can complete the circuit of the ministry he began.

But, despite all that, Jehovah’s witnesses are the signal main brunt of judgment coming, they are the apostasy, they are the locale of cover-up and stall, and they have to get up and start to speak updated 100% truth about it all, the apostate illegal GB, their UN NGO sins, the 3rd UN event of prophecy of 1990, and on to the whole final warning. JWs have to grow some balls, and start to actually be Jehovah’s witness.

Those who can will, those who can’t can join the weed heap and fool virgin wanderers and get their “oil” from “brothers” on the internet selling it. (They have a PayPal button, so rejected JWs can go there and by some flat fake oil.)

This is all going to get very real, and those festivities of desolation start on the JW org. They are still the main target.


In the June 1, 1996 Watchtower, page 19, the following oft repeated comment is made:

“The execution of divine judgment will start with the destruction of Babylon the Great. That harlotlike empire of false religion will be forever blotted out of existence. That time is very near!”

But now, we have a little shift going on down at Bethel dow we not? Now the Watchtower July 15, 2015 “Your Deliverance is Getting Near” Article puts this detail in:

3 Soon, very soon, each of us will face a similar situation. Jesus not only warned Christians about the destruction of Jerusalem but also used those first-century events to parallel what will occur when the “great tribulation” suddenly breaks out. (Matthew 24:3, 21, 29)

Did you catch this new detail about JW org destruction “SOON, VERY SOON”?

So which one is it?

Does Babylon the Great get destroyed, or the JW Whoreg? Both? Huh?

Most JWs do not notice the “new light” in this here “self-fulfilling prophecy” as Bethel is now proclaiming their own destruction to start “soon, very soon”. So soon, no need for anymore JW org calendars in fact. How is that council of zombies in the King North backed Governing Body so certain the JW org is the now the first target of destruction?

Could the GB in “in on it” with King North?

(Daniel 11:32) “And those who are acting wickedly against [the] covenant (at Bethel), he (8th King/King North) will lead into apostasy by means of smooth words. (The Bethel “smooth words” 8th King cover-up in the JW publications is part of the smoothly justified apostasy);

New Light, yet Downplayed by Bethel

Bethel is >>now<< telling JWs >>both<< BTG and themselves are destroyed “soon, very soon”, and they will let JWs sort out the details waiting for capture in their bunkers, and after.

In the old days, JWs were to go down last, BTG first. Recall?

But things have obviously now been changed down at Bethel.

This is no innocent change, in spite of Bethel downplaying the enormity of this convenient shift. Now they can destroy the JW org, and ultimately JWs will simply think it is “the end” (2Thess2:1-2), but ultimately will have no idea what the hell is going on!

Get it?

Now who would want to hoax, confuse and destroy JWs in such a way?

Can you think of anyone?

Your Deliverance is Getting Near!—The Question is: Deliverance to What?

Click to access watchtower-7-15-2015_your_deliverance_is_getting_near_commentary-on-the-bethel-jw-trap7.pdf


[QUOTE who=”Lordylordy9111″]<quoted text>

If KN is responsible for sacking JW and then God sacks KN. That is what I believe you are saying when you say,
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Bethel has been the center of apostasy and God Himself said He will repay Bethel for this betrayal. It is part of the trampling and when Jerusalem was taken down the second time Jerusalem was barely rebuilt as the first time because it is a countdown to recast Jesus. This time around today God’s temple, as a physical building will not be rebuilt but completely destroyed. We must resemble Jesus not the Pharisees.

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Zechariah 5:3-4 NIV[/QUOTE]


We have the Israel to Jerusalem temple judgment patterns.

We have the Christ temple arrival judgment pattern.

We have the temple judgment that produced the frist witness to go global. (so successful, inspite of Jw apostasy WE ARE STILL TALKIGN ABOUT IT!

And now we will have the temple judgment of modern apostasy in JWs and Bethel’s pyre of a visible judgemnt cue to come.

We have four interrelated patterns and all of them have related and unique symbols and things that happened to know BEFORE IT HAPPENS, this time, what to expect.

And not because of some person, but because of REPEATING patterns, that now go into overdrive in this final cycle.

What I KNOW IS, when God lets KN get on the JW org, it will be so bad, and so complete, THERE WILL BE NO QUESTION JWS HAVE SINNED AGAINST GOD.

And very conveniently, when the Christ angels kick KN in the balls so hard they go paralyzed for maybe three full years, the WHOLE REALITY OF THE SITUATION will come out, 100%

And in time, to prove it and Daniel 8:13-14, JWs will have all these words, jammed into their mouth, which they will have to speak, if they want to make the true final cut.

So, the temple judgement and its significant Dan8:14 and 1260 days following timing, are all for a chance to repent and get with the program of the final warning.

There is soon to be NO MORE TIME for stall, cover up, and dilly dallying with lazy forlorn GB kowtowed JWs, they need a kick in the arse, a slap in the face, a punch in the nose and FOUR BLARING ANGEL BACKED TRUMPETS IN THE FACE TO WAKE THESE ZOMBIES UP!


But, the BIG SALVATION MESSAGE that will come forth, means NO ONE can be cut out of the chances of making the final cut, because NO ONE can out-sin JWs, and yet God will even forgive repentant JWs, the worst of the whole lot.

That means HUMILIATION to produce required humility, to smack JWs off the high horse.

But many other people, and sorely scourged JWs, can benefit, it will be of Biblical and Prophetic Proportions!

Since this is the FOURTH time of temple judgment, it will be provable by ALL prophecy concerning judgment on God’s house to well precede the total world judgment so others can wake up too, and act accordingly, Christ is near.

It is the global context of the final warning because the news will come out, backed by angels. If it had not come out, it would just be the big distraction like WW1 was, from the news of that time. It si already the same pattern gearing up for repeat.

By the fourth time, that is why we can truly know before it all happens, what is about to take place, it is the fourth time!

Now as chapter 1 apostasy and judgment get pulled into the final warning, the rest of the stroy to world government to trigger Christ arrival, can also be confidently explained before it happens, it is all from God so people know exactly the circumstances that trigger the Christ total sky erupting total arrival in power and great glory, well before he splits the sky in a billion pieces with his 100 billion billion angels.

It is all to save people, so they can know beforehand, what is comign, God just waited until the final cycle, to lay it all out in plain view, when many can benefit from the forecast God has given in this overall total prophecy and “first witness” master pattern.

TONS of final warning and explicit description of key milestones to precede Christ arrival, will come forth well before he arrives, as it is unfolding LIVE AND REAL-TIME. Consider it all “good news”.

[QUOTE who=”red blood relative”]<quoted text>

you only pretend you don’t know right now…………… then you spout off 8 pages of numerology BS to claim its here in 1914 and appointed rutherford’s fake new jerusalem bethel temple.

you know all about the bride being selected and going upward for the marriage, and the last ones going upward and changing in the twinkling of an eye.

its just that you have to divert from that, cause it blows your whole charade out of the water.

you are fully aware that there is no such thing as the new jerusalem RULING in any form, till the bride is complete and goes upward for the marriage, and then comes down to the new heavens and the new earth.

you are fully aware of all of that……. its your job to divert jws from figuring that out.

but they are going to figure it out anyway………… your scheme won’t work.[/QUOTE]

Go see for yourself. The marriage of the Lamb is very mysteriously cloaked in Bible mystery. You’ll have to use some cross referencing and the “thrid watch” to know when and where it is. GO! See for yourself!

Now, of course, THE BRIDE has to come from heaven, that is “her” full re-birth place “nursery”, as in the locale of the resurrection to immortality, and her completion, Christ aint marrying some one eyed one breasted incomplete 144000 bodied “woman”.

The whole is completed in heaven. Apparently, like I said it may be the most mysterious topic in the Bible. Its guest list is in question, it location is in question, its timing is in question, the reception is in question, the only thing they know for sure is Christ is the Groom.

It is a mystery up to this time, even the Bride is in a quandary.

It is pretty amazing really. It seems much is revealed at the real thing. Why spoil the surprises right? The house dogs have to eat first, apparently. (Rev19:17-18)

It probably occurs after all enemies are already on the plate, you know, DEAD.

(Ezekiel 39:17-19) “And as regards you, O son of man, this is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said, ‘Say to the birds of every sort of wing and to all the wild beasts of the field: “Collect yourselves together and come. Gather yourselves together all around to my sacrifice, which I am sacrificing for you, a great sacrifice on the mountains of Israel. And you will certainly eat flesh and drink blood. 18 The flesh of mighty ones you will eat, and the blood of the chieftains of the earth you will drink, rams, young male sheep, and he-goats, young bulls, the fatlings of Bashan all of them. 19 And you will be certain to eat fat to satisfaction and to drink blood to drunkenness, from my sacrifice that I will sacrifice for you.”’

First things first.


[QUOTE who=”Lordylordy9111″]<quoted text>

Is not #(1) and #(4) the same? Doesn’t #(2) come last? Christ arrives after temple judgement which is the sacking of Bethel and the 70 years trampling. This includes the whole system of God’s temple in and out of the Watchtower on a global scale. We have sinned because of the wild beast and the mark, our generation. This generation must repent. We must repent. First comes the one who carries the errors of this generation that pleads to God in behalf of God’s people because the errors are in their body like Joshua. Israel’s sin were on him. His robes represent the state of Israel, they were befoiled and he had to remove them by burning in the fire as a log at the hand of satan. He had to remove the befoiled robe and the only way he could remove the befoiled robe or errors of Israel that was on Joshua, was repent and have Israel follow Joshua and repent. Joshua was for his generation only, Jesus Christ was for the whole world, today we have one who will suffer for this generation in the last days. This triggers the repentance stage which parallels Jesus arrival #(2). That is the final (beginning) of this system and satan as ruler long befor Armageddon.

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Isaiah 53:3-4 NIV

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Isaiah 53:8 NIV

We can agree it is ok to disagree. [/QUOTE]



Well it all adds up to the same thing, Christ arrives after the desolation for purification to seal the purge on the rogues in the JW org who befoul the “temple” of anointed, some are just plain impostors, and they can’t stay.

And like Haggai 2:7, those who cannot listen to the words of warning, can hopefully perk up by the use of strokes, and that “Rock the Nations” is the context, and God is not partial, but he does not beat all the same.

With JWs it is strokes coming, obviously words and logic no longer work on them, so strokes is the only thing God can now do to get through.

If strokes don’t work, then the weed oven is the last resort. So knowing God’s patience, a lot more is coming and because it must transpire with Daniel 8:14, probably 2300 days, at least 1150 days, and then the 1260 days, there is time to benefit from the strokes and repent.

Of course, a smashed JW org, and yet no full blown Christ arrival, will add much weight to the prophecy and its timing will be exact.

I mean everyone else went through hell on Earth in a divine judgment, what are JWs thinking we are to be omitted from this final one?

But the hell on earth, produces the context of accepting the need to repent. As bad as it is, it is positive.

Be careful, the “it is the 1260 days” folks will be out when and after the JW org is demolished, they are premature.

This is why Daniel 8:13-14 has NOT fulfilled yet, and is the most important modern prophecy in the Bible, because its events, purification, and timing, MUST fully expire before the 1260 days can begin because now God is NOT going to allow men-seekers to hi-jack the final warning. (That allowed time, is DONE!)

The GB is to be an example. If we get the final updated truth of the final warning, and we try to use it for our own glory (or profit), we will be destroyed well before Armageddon! And that is what will happen to the GB, to be seen by all, right on CNN in their case.

Now your Robert Kings and Beroean Pickets and those misled guys (who really knows what they are, to tell you the truth) they will just have to live up to a failure because none of them recognize the meaning and requirement of the Daniel 8:14 timing, and the temple judgment it is, and they knock 1914 aiding the globalist discrediting campaign. They will get worn down in Daniel 8:14 timing, and fail. They may repent, but discrediting the first witness will not fly in the final warning.

1914 is valid, no compromise will be allowed there.


I tell you now, many will try to say the 1260 days has begun, do NOT buy that.

Wait on Daniel 8:13-14, and test its explicit timing, it must expire to full “right condition” before the 1260 days is commissioned in Rev10:5-11.

By angelic assurance, another error and glory hounds are NOT going to receive that “little scroll”. We need to focus on the message of the prophecy, not human personality. But, as usual, God pushes the truth through human anointed Christians, because He must use the same vessel he began to use with the 12 apostles, that is sinner human who are in Christ, IN that Kingdom covenant, for real.

This is dead serious, though God is kind and merciful, He cannot “cut corners” and just accept anything we do, we gotta be 100% Kingdom ready, we have to recognize this is a true FINAL warning phase, we have to repent to His approval. We cannot fool ourselves and think we are going to fool God, THIS IS A REAL JUDGMENT! ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

And we need to learn from the error of the GB, no glory hounding hooligans and bean counting profiteers are going to “slip in”, and this is by angelic filtration. God allowed this apostasy for a reason of re-highlighting the now apostate anointed Christian ministry, but it will NOT be apostate in purification time! And no way is God allowing hijackers back in, he will produce the final warning context so that those going into approval, will recognize without question what the JW org destruction meant, and what we must do next.

That means God will hand deliver the final warning “little scroll”, and will expose the fool virgin oil dealers, because their 1260 days will FAIL. It too, is premature. JWs are just way too premature, more premature than everyone out there! (2Thess2:1-2) They fail first, the rest of the errors later. Failure exposes the fakes, first, overall.

The time for waffling and discrediting and circus@Bethel are about 100% over. Now God gives warning, all who try to override it will be removed by angels, that is why the “two witnesses” can and will “call down fire from heaven” to remove all obstructions, whether fake anointed, fool virgins, or King North anti-temple ops.

Not until “after they have completed their ministry” of 1260 days (Rev11:7), will that ministry be given over to cessation to fulfill Daniel 12:11, and Rev11:7-12, Dan12:7,7:25 expired. In the 1260 days, NOTHING human or demon can stop the final warning, and angels will see to that guarantee. That is why they are all over the temple judgment and seven trumpet and plague prophecies, some will have to taste some angel fire, to get out of the way. Millions of lives are at stake, Christ is showing up, and it will get full warning.

The full fair final warning is getting done, come hell or high water. Then they can depose it as per Revelation 11, but by then, it is too late, it leads directly to the temple completion, Kingdom Messianic as well, complete. It leads to the “sheep sweep” of all planet earth, the big salvation phase. That too is no slam dunk, some sheep “my people” have to be yanked from outlawed religions at global scale being destroyed 100%, more than just Christendom.


This is going to be HUGE! So, it is no slam dunk, we need patience and endurance and faith.

(Isaiah 7:9) Unless you people have faith, you will in that case not be of long duration.”’”

This is the real “hour of test” getting ready to go global.

(Luke 21:35-36) . For it will come in upon all those dwelling upon the face of all the earth. 36 Keep awake, then, all the time making supplication that you may succeed in escaping all these things that are destined to occur, and in standing before the Son of man.”


Well what is the culmination of all global national power when United Nations is a reality?


ALl Bible sovereign rival prophecy culminates into the final human expression of defiance fo God’s Kingdom. The UN is just the executive branch of world government, just a nucleus part of it.

Why is this important? Because in time, world government will become fully globally visible in intent and actuality.

World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3), triggers Christ’s arrival.

[b]8th King World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3; Dan12:11), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.[/b]

In time this will get so simple, many people will know the choice is either 666 NWO world government or Christ’s Kingdom.

World government comes after the final world war resolves into it, as the solution.

By the time of the end, as Christ said “when you think it not”, the choice will get simple.

Just as all national sovereignty “gathers”, converges into world government, so does all Biblr prophecy that has been tracking the national progress in those compoennt parts of the Daniel 2 image, wildbeast seven heads, and so on.

BUT the whole symbol, the whole Daniel 2 “immense image”, the whole King North, the whole wildbeast, are a symbol of whole complete world government.

As tiem fgoes on, it will get even more obvious.

[QUOTE who=”Michellestalter”] Are they saying that they too may be destroyed ??

They should consider the themselves As well.. Since they are part of false religion..[/QUOTE]

They are saying they WILL be attacked, “at that time”, “soon, very soon”. Question is, how does this CIA GB know this so assuredly they can even program how the siege will flow?

This is WT “new light”, but it is not called new light (for obvious reasons). Now they stopped making JW calendars I heard. Many red flags are flapping here if we are not distracted by either first reaction JWs, or their critics first reaction.

So yes they are basically saying Bethel will come under siege “soon, very soon”, “at that time”, in Watchtower, and that they will cancel the JW ministry at the same time:

This is the schedule:

“Soon” “Salvation” is Involved, “Very Soon”

“”3 Soon, very soon, each of us will face a similar situation. Jesus…used…first-century events to parallel what will occur when the “great tribulation” suddenly breaks out…our very salvation is involved…these future events will affect us personally.””

Apply Pattern to Future

“”4-6 How will the great tribulation begin?…the destruction of “Babylon the Great.”…the initial part of the future great tribulation will be “cut short”…there will be a brief respite.””

Jehovah’s Witnesses Must Sacrifice and Obey, Obey, Obey

“”7-8 It will be a time to reveal what is really in our heart…mankind will seek refuge in human organizations…God’s people will flee to the refuge that Jehovah provides…the interval…was a time for action and obedience on the part of…Christians…the future interruption…will be an opportunity for…believers to prove their love for Jehovah and give their support to Christ’s brothers…it will involve some measure of sacrifice…leave behind…possessions…to remain faithful, will we be willing to experience material loss? Will we be ready to do whatever is required of us to prove our loyalty to Jehovah?””

End the Jehovah’s witnesses Ministry

“”9 This will not be the time to preach the “good news of the Kingdom.” That time will have passed…God’s people will proclaim a hard-hitting judgment message…a declaration announcing that Satan’s wicked world is about to come to its complete end.””

Expect the Big “Foretold” Attack

“”10 None of this will go unnoticed by our enemies…a coalition of nations…will devise an evil plan…will invade the land of unprotected settlements…will come against those living in security… to take much spoil and plunder, to attack the devastated places…they will be eager to attack Jehovah’s anointed ones as well as their associates.””


WT quote (WT 07/15/2015, pg. 16, par. 7-8):

7 What will happen after the destruction of false religious organizations? It will be a time to reveal what is really in our heart. The majority of mankind will seek refuge in human organizations that are likened to “the rocks of the mountains.” (Revelation 6:15-17) Figuratively speaking, however, God’s people will flee to the refuge that Jehovah provides. In the first century, the interval was not a time for a mass conversion of Jews to Christianity. It was a time for action and obedience on the part of those who were already Christians. Similarly, we cannot expect that the future interruption in the great tribulation will result in an influx of new believers. Rather, it will be an opportunity for all true believers to prove their love for Jehovah and give their support to Christ’s brothers.—Matthew 25:34-40.

8 Although we do not fully understand all that will happen during that time of test, we can expect that it will involve some measure of sacrifice. In the first century, Christians had to leave behind their possessions and endure hardships in order to survive. (Mark 13:15-18) To remain faithful, will we be willing to experience material loss? Will we be ready to do whatever is required of us to prove our loyalty to Jehovah?””Figuratively speaking, however, God’s people will flee to the refuge that Jehovah provides.”” (WT 07/15/2015, pg. 16, par. 7-8)

WT quote (WT 11/15/2013, pg. 20, par. 17, #3):

“”Elders who are reading this article can draw some useful conclusions from the account we have just considered:…

[And sandwiched into the admonishment:]

(3) At that time, the lifesaving direction that we receive from Jehovah’s organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint. All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not.

Obviously Bethel is planning to use the org, to herd JWs to capture.

So along with the new update that the JW org is to be destroyed “soon, very soon”, and “at that time” JWs are to obey all apostate JW org commands “as crazy as it may sound”, we have mass reorganization, a billion in US real estate based liquidations (meaning who knows how much stock market assets they are dumping), pedophile and money laundering investigations coming to a head, and a decline in JW numbers sold off as a “1%” growth rate, congregations stripped of all funds, mass begging and JW media brainwash, and other strange anomalies.

So they are obviously planning to also cancel the JW ministry as:

WT quote (WT 07/15/2015, pg. 16, par. 9):

9 This will not be the time to preach the “good news of the Kingdom.” That time will have passed. The time for “the end” will have come! (Matthew 24:14) No doubt God’s people will proclaim a hard-hitting judgment message. This may well involve a declaration announcing that Satan’s wicked world is about to come to its complete end.

It transforms into the “hard headed judgment message”, so JWs will look like a laughing stock soon to be JW bookstand armed with “its the end of the world” signs. (2Thess2:1-2)

It is a “self-fulfilling prophecy” is what it is, with criminal discovery coming to a peak to form a truly needed invasion of the JW ministry at global scale, “soon, very soon”. (They are setting up the context of their own “siege” by known criminal activity.)

The thing is most JWs are not awake enough, or in tune enough with their own theological development to tell this is NEW.

They have now “scheduled” in that 7/15/15 Watchtower EXACTLY what they expect JWs to do, and how the siege will play out, to a “respite” in the JW org attack, when JWs are to flee where Bethel tells them to flee, all pre-programmed in that Watchtower, the JW Media videos, and the new convention Pied Piper themes.

What we have is the preparation in the US, to take JWs to FEMA. In other countries it goes under a different “security” label, but the goal is to capture as many fool JWs as is possible, by use of the infiltrated org, because everyone has had enough of this criminal organization. It is the revealtion of the JW org destruction attempt is what it is, all aided by internal Bethel admin.

Pedophile actions allow bottom up prosecutions, rackets and laundering charges will allow top down prosecutions, the right global chaos scenario will accelerate the process. Laundering charges will also suspend due process to sack the org that day, it may include other such charges.

It has all the earmarks of an internal setup, to be aided by external catastrophes or false flags, or world war, or whatever it takes to get the grinder going. But JWs are the target. It is NOT “the end” at this time, it is just the Revelation 13:3 “sword stroke” final epic world war cycle starting, which is to resolve into world government. We have over ten years remaining, ball park, probably more like 15-18.

JWs have the enemy right in their own house. (Dan8:12; Dan11:32a)

[QUOTE who=”JesusWasNOTaJew-GOOGLE IT”]Main difference is-
One church at least learned their lesson after their first big End of Days/Return of Yeshua prediction, the lesson not to predict/set dates as scripture says.

The other church er uhm ‘hall’ whatever had their Rothschild agent leader keep on predicting over and over, a blatant BS false ‘prophet’ and even though their leader is dead and buried under a granite pyramid the cult will probably come to make some prediction yet again.


Well, yes, the JW “message” is forecasted for a coming change by Bethel’s own mouth in print, WT 7/15/2015:

9 This will not be the time to preach the good news of the Kingdom. That time will have passed…God’s people will proclaim a hard-hitting judgment message…a declaration announcing that Satan’s wicked world is about to come to its complete end.

Thus they are planning to cancel the JW ministry by transforming the “message” into a “hard-hitting judgment message” in 2017, and JWs I heard are no longer making calendars, so I guess they are planning to destroy the JW org in 2017 apparently.

What is interesting is WTBTS is no forecasting its own “siege” and deposition, and they plan to sell this feat to JWs undercover of “it is simply the end of the world brothers, look no further”.

Many JWs are not catching this is a new “timeline”, btw. In the old days JWs were to “go under attack from Gog” AT THE END of the cycle, not at the beginning of it:

3 Soon, very soon, each of us will face a similar situation. Jesus…used…first-century events to parallel what will occur when the “great tribulation” suddenly breaks out…our very salvation is involved…these future events will affect us personally.

So from Bethel’s own “self-fulfilling prophecy” mouth, strange days are set to come on Bethel. Of course, Bethel peaking in now well known criminal activity, which will draw this “attack”, is how they can forecast so certainly they will be going down “soon, very soon”, and with it, “as crazy as it may sound brothers”, JWs are not told to obey every utterance of their GB and JW org Pied pipers:

WT quote (WT 11/15/2013, pg. 20, par. 17, #3):

“”Elders who are reading this article can draw some useful conclusions from the account we have just considered:…

[And sandwiched into the admonishment:]

(3) At that time, the lifesaving direction that we receive from Jehovah’s organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint. All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not.

What it looks like, if you aint in this cauldron of delusion in the WTBTS, is Bethel is planning to use the org, to herd JWs to capture and internment into the FEMA system as they peak the terror and world war scenario after they get that new regime up in Washington DC, with their new president.

They won’t cause any major US or global catastrophes until after they get in the new regime, that much is a no brainer. But, when the SHTF, it looks like JWs will be out with “Literature Stands” and signs retrofitted to read “It’s the End!!!”, and they will then start to proclaim their new message:

“Satan’s wicked world is about to come to its complete end.”

Ironically it seems the WTBTS is what is coming to its complete end, as even forecasted by its own leadership, in print, as they seem to know the whole forecast, if you take the time to read that short “Your Deliverance is Getting Near” article in Watchtower July 15, 2015.

The question really is, “deliverance” to what? FEMA????

Really, this is one of the wierdest religious shifts in history, if you think about it. No one seems to notice, JWs are in brainwashed coma, the world has been worn smooth on JW scandals, and at that time Bethel slips in this little “update”.



[QUOTE who=”Bible Only”]Both SDA and JW leaders, Ellen G White and Charles Taze Russell were Millerites. Taught by a Baptist pastor William Miller who left Baptist Church and teachings for his own theories.


Matthew 7:15-20, Matthew 24:24


Charles Taze Russell

In 1870, at age eighteen, he attended a presentation by Seventh Day Adventist minister Jonas Wendell. Russell later said that, although he had not entirely agreed with Wendell’s arguments, the presentation had inspired him with a renewed zeal and belief that the Bible is the word of God.

Around 1870, Russell and his father established a group with a number of acquaintances to undertake an analytical study of the Bible and the origins of Christian doctrine, creed, and tradition. The group, strongly influenced by the writings of Millerite Adventist ministers George Storrs and George Stetson, who were also frequent attendees, concluded that many of the primary doctrines of the established churches, including the Trinity, hellfire, and inherent immortality of the soul, were not substantiated by the scriptures.

Jehovah’s Witnesses were influenced by Early Seventh Day Adventist and both religions teach “Soul Sleep”.[/QUOTE]

Well its the modern intel Masons at WTBTS TODAY that is of far greater danger. I don’t buy that Russell was a Mason bull. No Mason can oull off what Russell pulled off, no one is that good of a lyign actor, NO ONE. Russell is probably the greatest modern Christian minister of history, and even though I aint in the JW religion, I can read Russell’s stats and honest words. I find ZERO premeditated deceptions in his words, his original impetus led to the exposure of the Masonic world government in prophecy, and the exposure of their Christendom tool as a big sham.

Now why would the Masons employ a Mason to expose their main centers of modern operation in the UN and Christendom?

If Russell was a Mason, then he was the worst masonic enemy of all time.

That is why it is just a lame frame, to try to counteract the destruction Russell has helped bring on the Masons. He told them flat out, Jesus Christ is King and he will exterminate every unrepentant Mason on all planet earth come his day.

Now, what Mason would do such a thing?

Russell was the worst thing that ever happened to the Masons is what he is. You gotta be very superficial in research and logic to think he was even a first degree Mason, much less a 33rd degree full blown avowed, human sacrifice tallied, Satanist.


[QUOTE who=”jsmith”]<quoted text>
Whilst it is the case that there is, demographically, SOME cross-over between ‘fundamentalist’a nd the terms ‘right-wing’ ‘Republicans’ (US), the general term ‘fundamentalist’ is not itself directly analogous to any of the other terms you mentioned.

It also does not matter whether you ‘understand’ or ‘identify’ with the term.

You are, by the commonly accepted definition, a religious FUNDAMENTALIST.

All the “Fundamentalists” must accept the central tenets of aminstream Christendom, including their premature “end of the world” forcasts.

I have the LONGEST RANGE FORECAST on the Web, and the broadest open salvation message out there.

I am not a “doomsdayer”, for there is no such thing in the Bible. It is simply the end of world government, and its final period of global coercions.

You will not find a longer range forecast out there:

I. Apostasy, Judgment, Accounting and Recovery of Jehovah’s Witnesses

Now: JW inspection (completing or complete; Zech3:1-5; 2Thess2:1-4);

Now: Bethel Apostasy and Lawlessness Signal of Judgment; (2Thess2:1-12; Zech3:1-3);


1. “Tribulation of those Days” Context Begins; (Matt24:15; Dan8:13; Dan11:41 (now), 42-43 (soon); Dan21:1b);

2. 8th King Activates Daniel 11:42-45 Final Cycle; (Rev16:13-16; Rev17:11-18);

A. Daniel 11:42-45 Must Converge with Daniel 12 Final Fulfillment;

3. Jehovah’s Witnesses Judgment Starts (1Pet4:17; Dan8:13-14; Rev8:1-6; Matt25:1-13);

A. Temple is Desolated, Purified (Zech3:4-5) and Recovered (Rev9): Daniel 8:14 “Right Condition” Temple Purification Reached; (Dan8:13-14);

II. Recovery, Final Commission, Final Warning, Learning Application

1. Final Kingdom Ministry Commission; (Rev9-11; Zech3:6-7; Matt24:45-47);

2. Final Kingdom Invitation and Warning Deploys; (Rev9, Rev 11:1-6);

3. “Tribulation of Those Days” Context Ends (Matt24:29; Isa41:1) into:

A. Final Kingdom Warning Ceased; (Rev11:7-10; Dan11:44);

III. Rival World Government Completions of 8th King and God

1. World Government – National Sovereign Conglomeration Completes into 8th King World Government; (Rev16:12-16; Rev 17:11-18);

A. 8th King World Government World “Peace and Security” and World Recovery; (Dan8:25; 11:44-45; 12:11; 1Thess5:1-3 globally stated world peace sovereignty; Dan8:25 “freedom from care” parallel; Isa41:1 world recovery);

2. Christ Arrival; Anointed Sheep Gathering (Dan12:1, Matt24:29-31; 25:31-46; Rev11:11-13; Rev19:11-16; Rev1:7; Rev6:12-17);

A. Christ Completes Messianic Kingdom 144000; (Rev11:11-12; Rev7:1-8; Rev14:1);

B. Christ Messianic Kingdom King-Priest Coronation; (Zech4:6-9; 6:9-15; Dan7:26);

(All the following takes place under complete Messianic Kingdom “Court” of Daniel 7:26:)

C. Babylon the Great Deposed; (Rev16:17-19; Rev17:15-18; Rev14:8);

D. Sheep Gathering/Goat Determination Finalized; (Mat24:31-46; Rev14:14-20);

3. Armageddon; 8th King Deposition and Messianic Kingdom Conquest; (Rev11:15; Rev19:19-21);

4. Christ’s Messianic Kingdom 1000 Years Rule

And EVERY STEP OF THE WAY, from the downign of JW org, to world government, to Christ, that is how the prophecy forecasts the transition to a new global government in Christ’s Messianic Kingdom.

This forecast shall now come true, beginning with the JW org destruction attempt.

But that forecast must transpire in the next 18 years, approximately.

We may not know “the day or hour”, but we can sure guess the year.


[QUOTE who=”MICHELLE WI”] I am wondering when this will be taking effect ?

Anyone have any inputs on this ?

What will happen if we don’t take this chip ?

Prison ?
FEMA camps?

I hate to think about what could happen ?

Somethings We should think about as I believe it’s coming![/QUOTE]

It’s not the chip that matters, it is the agreements that may come with it for world government acceptance and obedience.

They can ship people will nano-chips in a number of ways, so that is all just a distraction, and the chip itself don’t matter. (I mean they could put small nuclear devices in phones), chips will ostensibly be as harmless as the one in a dog or cat, probably.

That is for those who know about the other stuff they could put in the board of a chip.

They have other more reliable ways to get rid of masses of population, so the chip won’t be a big deal, imo. BUT the world government allegiance “clause” certainly may be, the chip may be a seal of ownership sort of thing, ownership of world government.

Now most people want to think world government is impossible, but it is already there digitally and in the largest global network of corporations ever known to the world. All that needs to happen is to pawn the national sovereignties which are also defined corporations under global legal jurisdiction, as defined by UN and these latest Trans-Pacific treaties.

Most of the pawnign will be financial, btw, it is all in Daniel 11:42-43 and the sovereign transfer of Revelation 17:11-18. But people are correct if they think world government is not tommorrow, it will take a decade for it to start to go public in intent, before it goes into full blown final authority.

They have this goal for quite a while, and all global resources are channelled to it. They own most of the debt, they own the corporate monetary and wealth control devices, they own most global gold and its volume is more than in the public estimates.

When you OWN all three of those things, and debt is all fictional and only empowered by legal definitions and accepted beliefs of liability, then they can invent the final monetary system, modify all the national government massive loan packages, and in that process take complete global ownership. And because EVERYONE’s money is in their system, whether an individual person or a corporate entity, they can set the final terms as per Revelation 13:15-18.

All that is required is now the total financial fall and capitualtion of the US and EU. They will drag down Russia and China because they are fully dependent on that corporate netwrok in Anglo-American elite control, they will all fold, and then be recovered into world government as the final owner.

It is probable the final required voluntary chip process will carry a world government allegiance clause. That is pretty much the 666 definition of allegiance to world government, rather than Christ’s Kingdom, and that is when at all costs a Christian must make known his allegiance to God, Christ and the Kingdom of God.

It is also a big salvation opportunity, because in diametric fashion, if the 666 is marking a person for destruction by Satan’s strategy, then keeping ti off oneself is a guarantee of salvation, the sword has to cut both ways. It really is good news, death aint nothing to the Kingdom of God.

WE WIN! By faith we alerady win, Christ is just going to rock the earth, crush the scarlet wildbeast, and make it official. A full final warnign will emerge from the ashes of Bethel’s downfall coming up, it is Daniel 8:13-14, in the Daniel 11:41-43 global context.


They won’t stop these mass killings until they get their gun control plan implemented.

Its all “cause and effect”.

Then they can start with the nukes and other false flags to get to the global war stage. The order is in question, but Russia and China have been building economies for 20 years, the EU has been globalized for NATO, and the US has been working on armaments for 20 year full blown.

What this simple comparison means is NATO is HUGE, the US cannot rely on any innovation in production and an actual economic boost, so NATO will take the booty for recovery by force, hence the final epic world war phase.

While Russia and China got suckered to start to play the globalist economic globalization game, the US decided to bet on weapons to “win” by force when the time comes. Nato and US economies are now separate, so the US can crash and NATO can be used for US “crowd control”.

Imo, the main battle ground will end up being in Texas, they aint planning to fold easily from what I hear.

But the only hope for the Anglo system, is to throw the lights, turn the game table over, and take by force. THAT is what all this synthetic economy based 60% on financial device alchemy and debt is adding up to.

Now rather than just crash the dollar too fast, they will crash it as they use it, to maximize its use on down the toilet to a new global financial system. Hank Paulson released the Draft “Blueprint” for this system after the 2008 global credit crisis.

In it, the Federal Reserve will own all US stocks, bonds, banks, (by way of DTCC) mortgages, insurances, SEC, FDIC and all financial regulatory admins. The Federal Reserve is the new US financial and regulatory government, in effect, even if they have to also crash, shed the skin, and take on their final world government sector moniker.

When Central Banks Rule the World By Joan Veon

(Joan is now dead, btw)

Catherine Austin Fitts at the Secret Space Program—Parallel Global Finance System

Catherine Austin Fitts: The Private Hostile Takeover Of The World Economy


[QUOTE who=”imagoodboy”]<quoted text>

What a lot of rubbish! Never said it was about Eve it was about an offspring * a seed * from Eve! And than from Abraham and Isaac etc! NOTHING about a Jerusalem above. That had nothing to do with it!

That is your interpretation and it doesn’t gel as Jesus is a descendant of Abraham and David!

I don’t know about Rev 12 but interpretations abound! And your guess is as good as any one else!

The seed was Christ! Gal 3:16 The Messiah. Born to Mary in the first century. Luke 2:7-11

And if you belong to Christ you are Abraham’s seed Gal 3:29 And So those begotten of God, brothers of Christ share in the promises made to Abraham.

Jerusalem above has to do with the new covenant and Messianic Kingdom in the hands of Jesus Christ, That began to be inaugurate at Jesus baptism to be God’s spiritual Son, and all those who are are adopted to be spiritual sons! The old covenant went out out of vogue when Jesus was killed and resurrected! Making way for the new Covenant!


We know the seed was Christ, that is explicitly explained in the Bible. The identity of the “woman” is not, and it is the other half of the key, and when Jehovah’s witnesses used to be in approval as sent forth by the God with that name, they explained the identity of that woman.

The apostate churches and JWs no longer get any insight, because they all back the wildbeast in public manner of various partnerships and endorsements like the UN NGO.

Everyone paying attention by now knows the Christ end of the seed legacy. The rest remained blinded as to the woman’s identity, and hence do not understand Revelation 12 due to that fact, in fact the Revelation is not revealed to them, it first fulfillment (of 2 in major seven trumpet/plague portions) was explained fully by Jehovah’s witnesses by 1969; that 1989 Revelation book is all reprint of Fred Franz complete work on Revelation completed in 1969.

But there are TWO witnesses because there is a second and final cycle of Revelation in the future. 2 witnesses x 3.5 times is seven times complete final warning, 1260 days X 2, = 2520 days, or “seven times” full warning unto world government “scarlet wildbeast” and then the Christ arrival.

Churches or JWs can no longer reveal this, because they are all UN worshipers as opposed to God’s Kingdom. JWs though can be judged, desolated and recovered for the final warning final fulfillment cycle of Revelation, to complete the final warning after Bethel is downed and cleaned out. (Dan8:13-14)

Neither God’s “woman” or Christ’s “bride, woman” are understood by the wildbeast allied churches. But JWs devolved after 1976 and the GB influence, so they know the proper real identity of both of these “women”.

[QUOTE who=”Lordylordy9111″]<quoted text>

Cause and affect is Blowbacks (affects) from the invasion of the Middle East (cause). And what about Timothy McVeigh bombing the federal housing building? Cause was US government abuse and affect was the bombing. Or what about Walter Moody Jr.? The cause and affect is a little more complicated his bombing because he was the person to (cause) the (affect) by bombing black civil rights activists in 1989. Moody didn’t belong to any racial hate groups such as the kkk. He bombed and killed civil rights activists on Bush senior first year (cause) and the L.A. riots (affect) occurred in Bush senior’s last year in 1992. How can anyone fix this cause and affect when it is the US government? [/QUOTE]


When global circumstances took a change in world history, the old order is placed as scapegoat, aided by real crimes.

Like when the Catholic system was toppled for the Reformation “enlightemennt”, they were then exposed for what they are.

Same with the US government, they will expose them as in need of Babysitters, and world government will be the Babysitter of the new order coming in, upon the exposure of the old order heading out.

Four plagues are coming on this place, as some of the judgment starts to take place in that period of the global context parallel of the “tribulation of those days”. I mean the US government is about to be placed on third fiddle, third string, and that in itself is a humiliation to the kind of hubris of its current leaders.

It has to topple, be stabilized by NATO forces and other martial reinforcements, or it would really be a “revolution”, but this revolution is that of the NWO, using these curcumstances to depose the US and EU national governments, and make sure everyone and his mother knows they are cause of the bad effects, just like what happened to the Catholic church when they used to rule Europe, now they are just a sideshow.

Same with the US government, they made the bed, and they will lie in it as well. It is a related process when a new order is coming into power, gotta expose the former one as the “problem” for which the new is the “solution” so it is accepted as a panacea.

Though they just plan to try to destroy the JW org, it too will follow the same route. By the time of the final warning, Bethel will be laid bare as a criminal apostasy and a criminal organization destroyed by God, ultimately, no question, no holds barred.

But God is behind this to give credibility to the final warning.


We are definitely heading into a transition into full NWO power. They will remove US power, that si why the seventh king is not described as destroyed, but only “remaining a short while”, because they are deposed by the NWO. Now the NWO is described as “going off into destruction” because only God and Christ can wipe them from the face of the earth.

But all of this is Haggai 2:7 designed by God, to appeal to ALL MANKIND, because we will end up in a terminal NWO grip, and many people will finally come to realize the ONLY way out, is to wait for God to destroy these guys, personally.

People one and all will “shine as brightly as the sun”, even if they are not Kingdom anointed members in completion, because when God and Christ show up, IN PERSON, their glory will do what happened to Moses to all people affected by it. Not to kill them, but to purify like a transfiguration, prior to the sacrifice, of physical pollutions.

When God and Christ show up and all them billions upon billions upon billions of holy angels, there will be no question it is somethign entirely new and not of this universe, much less this world, their light is different, all will know when they get here.

By faith, it is nothing to fear, but everything to hope for, THEY are the true and only “solution”. That NWO better get aboard the Enterprise and high tail it today, they may get an extra hour with Satan that way. They are doomed. God is saving them for the boot heel of Jesus Christ. Up close, and personal.

[QUOTE who=”Analytical7″]Postit…

If you are not obedient to your spiritual leaders how are you being obedient to that direction which God has set out for you in the Bible, specifically to “be obedient to those taking the lead”?

Would you say that scripture does not apply to you, when you and every other christian claim to be part of the true congregation..[/QUOTE]

Well when leaders start to “lead” an apostasy, then you can tell them to take a flying you know what. And that is what the UN allied GB is doing, leading JWs into apostasy for UN King North:

(Daniel 11:32) “And those who are acting wickedly against [the] covenant (at Bethel), he (8th King/King North) will lead into apostasy by means of smooth words. (The Bethel “smooth words” 8th King cover-up in the JW publications is part of the smoothly justified apostasy);

OBVIOUSLY only JWs can now be the ones acting wickedly against the holy covenant, not Christendom, they have been exposed and disqualified years ago.

And that is why the UN-GB will not tell JWs, obviously the UN world government development is King North identical.

The GB is the leaders of the final apostasy, our final “man of lawlessness” even lifting themselves over everyone as supposed “faithful slave” self judged and self appointed. (That is a square in your face blasphemy in broad daylight right among JWs)

As usual, follow men into a pit, and have only Christ to refocus upon, and that is why God let JWs even go into men worship and UN NGO worship, to get them refocused later, after suffering the severe consequences of Daniel 8:13-14.

The GB will eb destroyed, then it will get easier to explain it all, once they are gone and in a heap of ashes where they belong.


[QUOTE who=”Lordylordy9111″]Here is the “so-called” kill list of ISIS. We should know by now ISIS is a creation of Obama. The highest hit list is Florida and Virginia. Mostly on the East besides Texas and Nevada.

BREAKING: ISIS Released “Kill List” Just Minutes Ago, 13 States That Are Being Targetted


I think Texas is going to be the challenge. But, that’s just a guess. But JWs will end up being the center of attention in a different way, that goal will be met with the JW org takeover attempt. And they have pissed God off so badly, it may get very close to total.

If they can conjure up a little humility and repentance they may be able to keep a laptop, color printer and an internet connection. So the internet is the last “land of the free” also set for invasion. In time, we can kiss all these kind of posts goodbye. They are going to filter it, and probably all the whistleblower type media as well.

But the cancelling of the JW ministry will be one of the stranger of the events, no doubt. And that “hard-hitting judgment message” that only falls ultimately on Bethel, will be sort of tragically comedic in the end. Poor JWs is all I can say, yet the context of hubris and sin is much too blame with the GB Cult worship.

All in all, it oughta get pretty mind blowing when the Bethel org really hits the fan.


[QUOTE who=”Samson”]<quoted text>

The governing body say the same thing



But they don’t do it. Pointing out apostasy and UN NGO prophecy about that pack of infiltrators is not automatically some quest for leadership, even if it is all 100% true.

Hell on earth is coming for the Bethel system, that is also in the prophecy, and it aint too hard to “interpret” because we only have one place of total renegade apostasy and that is INSIDE of Bethel, and they got a UN NGO tattoo as well.

How can JWs think they can adjoin the UN, worship humans in some CEO cabal, and simply get off scot free and make a grossly premature “end of the world” come to deliver them all planet Earth? Are they crazy?

Yes, it is called being spiritually drunk, and that is what it looks like. This is not some cryptic episode, this is in the face of everyone in the world, including JWs, how off course and far gone their house has devolved spiritually.

What is coming on the JW org should therefore be no surprise. Fill a claimant anointed Christian house full of idols and wildbeast trophies, and it will be destroyed, no matter if JWs or some other Christian claimant faith.

It only BEGINS with the small JWs target, in time the same thing is coming for all of Christendom, when the global power has conglomerated to the proper 100% percentage. As another preview it is going in this direction, the next epic world war has to end with the destruction of Islam in a set of nuclear episodes, they are this war’s “Japan”, and they have a state-religious complex whose downing will give Israel all the credibility it needs to be set in the UN world Government UN crown of nations.

They will not depose Christendom until after they have helped sell world government. So they are last on the list, but their outlawing will be quite the event, but that too is squarely described in prophecy. Same old story, say you worship God as a cover to worship wildbeast and human solutions, and pay the price eventually.

It just comes on JWs first, because they are our furthest point of progress, as bad as they have become, they have come the furthest in Christianity. But, that too is why they were targeted internally first. If JWs had been just a lying church since 1914, then they could have just given them an lower key set of zombie leaders, rather than the outright mind control cult and money laundering criminals they have given JWs instead.



The Governing Body is the worst thing that ever happened to JWs, and their worst enemy, is what this all boils down to, men who loved JW worship and all its riches and fame more than God and Christ.

That is the main problem, knowing it has an external source in prophecy tells us what it will mean. (Dan8:12; Dan11:32a)

Cluing JWs in on the need to keep checking the prophecy they [used to] pay attention to, is not some attempt at leading them. It is a thankless job, and that is why Christ has to do it, he is used to ingrates and showing his superiority over them by being LOVE personified in spite of the human fact.

JWs are like all men first Adamic, then apostasy, in that order. So there is nothing new with JW defection, par for the course, But at this time in history, it has to be dealt with by divine means, it has to eventually be fully connected to an active prophecy about to go into the temple judgment mode, and it has to be told to the world after God is done disciplining the place. It is that simple. Jehovah’s witnesses will have their work cut out for them.

First off, they need to be Jehovah’s witnesses, not witnesses of WTBTS CEO board of directors. All the scandal and controversy has also transformed JWs all into “damage control artists”, and that too has to change. Of course, after God has smashed Bethel to pieces scattered globally, the damage control bull can also cease to be a distraction, it will be clear God has allowed and even required this desolation. (Dan8:13-14)

Since it is phased, described as to why, and timed in Daniel 8:14, people can affirm what it means later if they can comprehend the true import of these anti-JW org events. It begins Revelation 8. Revealtion 8-11 proceeds over the final yeasr from there, but at least we will know exactly where we are en route to world government and thus the Christ arrival to shortly follow world government.

Now warning people what this really means is a requirement.

[QUOTE who=”imagoodboy”]<quoted text>

Jesus is a descendant of Eve that is clear.

No it is not clear, Hebrews was written to cover Christ origins as far as his legal priestly and kingly rights, because Christ’s origin is far from clear until the Christian era, and from Eve is just a plain LIE.

The Mechizedekian Christ is NOT related to anything human, THAT is what is clear. His entry into this world, in Mary’s conception, is only the human part that ties back to her and Josephs paternal roots, for inclusion in the Davidic Kingdom covenant validity.

The “second man” is “out of heaven”. That is where the Genesis 3:15 “woman” of Christ’s true origins is also located. Eve is not the subject of Genesis 3:15, she went in league with Satan. God only uses the female portion of Adamic man that wound up at Mary, for his own reasons beyond the understanding of human science, but Christ had none of here Adamic imperfection, that is certain, Christ was NOT Adamic, which is all who spring from Eve, who came out of Adam.

Wildbeast allied church academics will never ever be given these insights, nor can they understand them in an unrepentant state, they are part of the Babylon the Great harlot “woman”, yet another mysterious woman of the Bible. The Bible is not some comic book to be overrun by every soothsayer who thinks they can spin wild tales at will, because the Bible is all so simple. They are caught in their own web.

The Bible has “sacred secrets” only for the final Kingdom covenant members today to reveal to the world, that is the way it was, and they way it shall always be even in the 1000 year reign and after, it is leading to a new universal government and the takeover of planet Earth by vastly superior forces of that yet to complete Messianic Kingdom, whose final members have a task yet to complete as well: the final warning.

[QUOTE who=”Samson”]<quoted text>

You don’t do it.

Your words and attitude in no way reflect Christ.


All it needs to be is the truth. And that is what it is, truth of prophecy. Nothign is ever good enough for some people, they can suit themselves. But it is going into the final cycle to lead to the Christ takeover anyways.

JWs are not going to easily accept the true magnitude of their UN apostasy, they are first off ingrates, proud, and typically Adamic. It’s going to be a challenge and the greatest test of faith they have ever been through.

Just ignoring it, or worse, buying that GB ear tickling delusion, only makes it worse and harder to accept. They want to destroy as many JWs as they can, and Satan never sleeps, but JWs sure do. But this will help JWs in the long run, to expect any gratitude from that heap of flesh is expecting way too much, JWs are not model citizens nor examples of Christ, so it is a common feature of this period of time.

But, in any event, God is going to stuff their mouth with the final warning, some JWs will respond and repent appropriately. If the “ten virgins” scorecard is any indication of this period of final temple judgment, half of the remnant will be rejected. Now if half of anointed are to be cut, how many JWs will make it to the proper state of repentance?

Your guess is as good as mine.

JWs are not yet ready to accept this reality, in time >some< of them shall be readied. JWs started to worship themselves and their system fo worship as well, and that is part of the reason it has gotten so bad among Jehovah’s witnesses. No one mocks God, what ahs been sowed is what will be reaped, plain and simple. ear tickling JWs aint going to help. That was part of the problem.

But there is no reason to back off JWs, they deserve an in the face exposure, global judgment, and high horse crash. The more they fight, the harder God will hit. THAT is what it will take to beat some sense into the JW body. JWs are in a delusion of grandeur that is about to take a turn to the gutter.

Those who can handle this required humiliation and admit it globally will be recovered. Those who cannot are the weeds being bundled for later disposal. But, there are years in Daniel 8:14, so we cannot just say the humility cannot come over some years, we cannot just judge a JW as a weed because they take a few years to finally move from denial to acceptance. Thus >potential< weeds, can reaffirm their wheat reality, over the whole Daniel 8:14 and most of the Relation 1260 days finale period.

There is time, Jehovah’s loves His witnesses, and that is why he scourges those he loves. JWs have the problem, they love the GB and themselves far more than Jehovah. JWs have put Christ in storage for the GB golden calf. In time, JWs will cry the river of tears they have given others.

Justice first (Rev8), recovery later. (Rev9-10)

Three ways to calculate 1914 (not to mention the 5 1260 days prophecies which start in 1914 by stand alone means; Dan7:25; 12:7; Rev11:2-3; 12:6,14, 13:5)

Method 1

Daniel’s “7 Times” began at Babylon’s “gentile” rise, 607 BCE.

The “7 Times” were 7 lunar prophetic years (360 Days), each day is a year.

360 x 7 = 2520 years.

From 607 BCE forward in time is 1914, the end of the times of the gentiles, foretold by Jesus and Daniel.

Method 2

If we use Cyrus date for the deliverance of the Jews as God’s anointed one for that work, we have that occurring in 537 BCE.

That was also the end of the 70 years of the Babylonian first “seven times” Israel. (Which apostate UN-NGO-Bethel has ignored, btw)

Subtract the 70 years from 537 BCE, and we again arrive at 607 BCE trusting God’s perfect math and times.

We use the previous 2520 years.

From 607 BCE forward in time is 1914, the end of the times of the gentiles, foretold by Jesus and Daniel.

Method 3

Using the 70 weeks prophecy of Daniel to ascertain the time of Jesus anointing as God’s chosen for that mission, we have a new timeline.

The 70 weeks were counted a day for a year, 70 weeks of days is 490 days, in the prophecy a day represented a year, so we have 490 years.

Christ came in the last week, the 69th week prior to it is 483 years from 455 BCE. (69 x 7 = 483)

If we take Jesus known anointing at his baptism of 29 CE, and go back 483 years (69 weeks), we arrive at 455 BCE.

This was the final phase of Jerusalem’s walls being rebuilt.

From that time in the rulership of Artaxerxes we know he was in power for 82 years after Cyrus anointing in 537 BCE. (537 – 82 = 455)

We also must add to that 82 years the 70 year desolation period equaling 152 years total. (455 + 152 = 607)

So being 152 years into the “7 Times” of Daniel’s appointed times of the nations (607-152=455BCE), we go forward in time from 2520 years, 152 years to bring us to 2368 years (2520-152=2368);

2368 – 455 = 1913; and we arrive at 1914 CE.

Of course a “world-war-toworld-government” cycle starting in 1914 and resolving for the “League of Nations” image of the wildbeast first step of 4 to world government, is more telling of the world elites’ intent to defy God’s Kingdom to the fullest of their impotent little abilities.

World war is the global “problem” they run, so their world government then becomes the global “solution”, it is part of the formula at all times (WW1,WW2 ColdWW3) to present their world government POS jalopy.

WW1 was the first use of such a conning formula cycle.

1914’s Main Validation? World War 1 World Government Cycle Formula and World History

8th King World Government and “World Peace” (1Thess5:1-3)—Guaranteed


[QUOTE who=”Newtonian”]So sad!

Bethel judgment – your thread has little to do with Jehovah’s Witnesses since we are politically neutral.


Real witnesses of Jehovah’s Kingdom are NOT “neutral”. What JWs have become is called neutered and silent and UN allied as UN NGO.

Real Kingdom ambassadors are for God’s Kingdom and the Messianic Kingdom of Christ, far far far from “neutral”.

JW “neutrality” has become total silence and UNfaithfulness, not neutrality but apostasy. The same seed that runs the nations for Satan is the same seed that bore the GB. They are the reason JWs have been led into marked global apostasy and silence. (Dan11:32a)

As far as wordly nations they are all the same, so pointing out the Obama symbol of a “slave president” to probably be followed by the symbol of a “woman” meanign subservience to elite King North world government is shown in Daniel 11:42-43 as far as the 7th head downfall into 8th King domination coming up.

Bethel is “entered” as per Daniel 11:41, it just has to go into JW org destruction mode and cancel the apostate “constant feature” to make it all officially complete in the near future.

This is “the end” as per 2Thess2:1-2 that Bethel is lyingly hyping among JWs, so they will think the sackign of Bethel is “simply the end, look no further”. But it will not be the end, the “sword stroke” REPEATS in a final world war to, as usual, precede world government.

JWs are silent on this, because the GB is from “King North” to subvert JWs in Daniel 8:12, Dan11:30b-35.


[QUOTE who=”Dusk”]<quoted text>

Very true.

Paid misinfo internet shill? Perhaps.[/QUOTE]

When they ridicule warnign people that they will complete a world government (that triggers the Christ arrival to settle the issue), and then spin in the same go nowhere circles, I do not really think someone can always be in that mode unless they are paid to do it.

The JW forum has a few as well, but I can no longer spin the dog to chase the tail with them. When logic does not work, over and over again, I start to think it is something else. I do not think anyone can just be that dumb out of the box, there has to be more to it.

I think Topix would be good territory that kind of misinfo work, and it seems the SDA forum has the same kind of epidemic, I know the JW one does. Now with JWs it is interesting. The WTBTS scandal mill has eclipsed on former Bible discussions. Now when I see WTBTS being the source of its own dirty laundry, and that to divert attention from the Bible by fueling the generation of massive Web based blowback, I tend to think inside of Bethel WTBTS is the same kind of subversion at work.

What CEOs are so stupid as to plummet the JW “market share” from 15% in 1975, to 1% or less today? What kind of CEOs and corporate intelligence cannot see the JW ministry has been DESTROYED?

Only the kinds paid to produce this product. With JWs it is not just a forum or two full of disinformation, their very leadership is their worst disinformation and scandal enemy, they are the source of all the dirty laundry. And it is all distracting.

JWs have big problems coming. These anomalies are not normal gone lazy corruption, this is terminal corruption as if by design. I think it is Daniel 11:32a, and Daniel 8:12. I just think other churches are targeted in a different manner, but they have all veered way off course, or into a total stall, imo.

It would make a good research paper because I do not think this WTBTS situation can be just flatlined forever, it is a build up for a corporate takeover in their case. And the reason I say this is the WTBTS is also saying it too, but with a different twist. (Wt7/15/2015; 11/15/2013)

When I see a corporation “foretelling” their own siege and downfall, and even how it is to unwind (WT 7/15/2015), I see a BIG RED FLAG. And that is the thing that will make that research paper so interesting, this has to progress to a meltdown. And when you see the WTBTS involved in real crimes, it is as if they are setting up the context of their seizure.

What it is really called is a “self-fulfilling prophecy”.

But I think in time all Christianity is the ultimate target. They just need them for now for the “Crusade versus Jihad” effect. When that is over, they better watch out. The downfall of Islam, is what is coming for corporate Christianity, but they need them to sell the Israel Hoax and world government first, they go down last, but it is all religions who are being phased out is what it really looks like, over say about 18 years.

[QUOTE who=”Irishdub”]It’s funny that WTS members get upset by quotes from *their own* leadership and anointed members !

1. Eventually, the end will come.

In the meantime the Bethel aided attack on 1914 is to get others to doubt that there is a limited time, the gist of the “gentile times” ended.

2. But the end is not coming as soon as JWs anticipate. That delusion marks the final apostasy as per 2Thess2:1-2. Bethel’s true apostate state has yet to be exposed by God, and destruction of the JW org, and cancellation of that lame stalled ministry is the seal. (Dan8:13-14)

So, since 1976 we have a renegade buch of GB “rich men” forecainan end too soon, so when the destruction of the JW org does come for UN NGO and apostasy, JWs will be fooled to think that must be the end.

But it will be the final world war “sword stroke” cycle to result in world government, just like the ww1-to-League of Nations pattern.

3. So, God is outlining the final cycle, by use of the 1914-1919 first cycle, so when it starts and proceeds, we will know where we really are before “the end” arrives.

The UN boys have used a world war “problem” that in time resolves into a UN peace pitch and a furtherance of the United Nations in the world and in prophecy, so far UN 1, UN2, UN 3 in 1919, 1945 and 1990.

But as we note, JWs do not say anything about that post Cold War 3rd WW cycle UN presentation as being the prophecy of Daniel 8:23a, and Daniel 11:31, do they?

Nope, they joined the proclamation of the UN as UN NGO, and endorsed it. The GB is the tool used to mislead JWs as per Daniel 11:32a.

So if JWs are clueless as to UN 3.0, they will also be clueless as to UN 4.0 in world government, to be presented after this world war coming up.

Thus, when the global downslide begins and we head in WW4, they can crash the JW org and ministry, and just tell JWs it is “the end” as a cover hoaxing ruse.

That is what this GB is doing for King North, keeping a big secret, leading JWs into sins and UN, and setting the JW org up for desolation. (Dan8:13-14; Dan11:41)

JWs will have a lot to catch up on once the JW org goes down, BUT “the end” does not arrive quite as fast as they were misled to expect.

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To add to what you said about Islam and Christianity, it is good for us to remember the plans of the ‘elite’ as they were revealed near the end of the 19th century, in what some call as ‘Albert Pikes 3 World Wars’.

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This whole agenda of Muslim ‘immigration’ is being done in an attempt to bring Albert Pike point #3 into reality.


“The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the “agentur” of the “Illuminati” between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time.” Albert Pike

The conflict is inevitable. And out of this conflict and global Chaos, they hope to set the stage for the implementation of the global religio-political system, also known as the New World Order. Question is however, how far will God allow #3 to progress.

We indeed have very little idea of how short a time is left on this earth before all the final event break upon us, culminating in the return of Jesus Christ.

18 years, I personally, think is very generous as I adamantly believe time is much shorter.[/QUOTE]

Yes “conspiracy theory” is what they try to discredit these HISTORIES of elite development as. So you are doing what I am doing as my focus is the designed corruption and stalling of Jehovah’s witnesses by use of their illegal leadership.

Thus, it is a common pattern, and we have the outlines of elite development in finance, politics and corporatism in such amazing detail as to be undeniably the way it is overall, even if a few details get skewed. In reality, as I researched the UN Secretariat departments and the DPI of the UN NGO, I came to realize that UN NGO and UN IGO framework of organizations is the largest in the world.

And from those connections we can weave in TLC, Bilderberg and the whole “Super Corporation” as recently exposed by the Zurich study. So, it is a network that umbrellas in the financial and corporate structure of all nations and their governments, and yet it is pretty much unknown to most people.

And as exposed by many in the Hegellian Dialiectic, like a movie script is how they design their social engineering “cause and effect” cycles, we have the major global “problem” for which the elite world government structure becomes the global “solution”. And we are at the big one, the “sword stroke” of Revelation 13:3 which also outlines that the “healing” of that global “sword stroke” inspire admiration of that wildbeast “solution”. And the sword stroke will define the “abyss ascension” context of the scarlet wildbeast totality when that healing comes. It is also shown in Isaiah 41 the “nations regain power” BEFORE the global judgment.

So Christ will not arrive with the “wars and reports of wars” and disorders at monumental global scale, he has to arrive in the “healing” when they truly set up their final sovereign affront to his Kingdom in that 8th King.

But in all this, the real Bible prophecy pattern is becoming ascertainable by many many people, in spite of religious infiltrations, it is starting to boil down to the choice it will be, choose NWO World Government or choose Christ’s Kingdom at global scale.

Thus, many people can be saved, because God can appeal to many people beyond the fog of religious error and subversions as per Revelation 14:6-8. The good news is, it will also be the broadest salvation potential ever opened up to mankind, and the judgment of apostate Christianity will end up being the climax, while “my people” can even be saved from that certain judgment of all these harlot religions.

So as bad and off course as it is, it itself is fulfilling final apostasy and subversion prophecy, and when we see that it strengthens faith, because everything to follow the apostasy purpose will also just as surely unfold in the final sequence of dominoes.

Now true Christians are pretty much having to be free and unaffiliated with these signal apostasy subversion units. Thus, an informal witnessing is forming, because an uncomon few can see this is no random apostasy, and all of corporate Christian religions are now pretty much in the NWO web.

But, that is par for the course.


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Question is however, how far will God allow #3 to progress.


He has to let it go all the way, world war, recovery, world government, Christ arrival.

But maybe not as outlined exactly in 3, but the gist is a world war that now includes religious war, class war, race war, corporate war and massive social upheaval. (Hag2:7)

But they will not “end the world” by some loss of control of that final cycle. A 10% global dysfunction can look like “the end”, kill a billion people, and so on, but 6 billion will still be left, the sword stroke is AS THOUGH “slaughtered to death”, it is just an impression of “doomsday”, not really it.

That technique of scaring the hell out of everyone is then transformed into great global hope in the recovery phase. Great global hope is then directed to the world government “solution”.

What God has to do probably is slow them down a bit, to meet prophetic timelines. At some point a Christian final warning with great evidence has to emerge. But these guys would like to rush in world government so that no warning is given, and thus Christianity would fail.

But that aint going to succeed. The seven trumpets is the outline of the final cycle, and Revelation 10-11 is the assured final warning that has to precede world government when the warnign can be of benefit to many.

The point of the “rock the nations” tribulation cycle is to wake as many people up as possible. Awake people can be in line for salvation, and this coma period we are now in is not doing it. The final world war will wake up a lot of people. (Hag2:7) It is not “the end”, it is the epic use of the same “world-war-to-world-government” cyclic formula to precede full-blown world government.

God will even vindicate the “conspiracy theorists” because this general “conspiracy” outline is in that movement’s theme of the true intent of world government, and how they produce world government by use of global chaos-to-order cycles. We are at the very start point, of the final cycle, with the same intent as after WW1, WW2 and the Cold War.

So, world government intent and certainty is not really so surprising for a number of reasons. And it is the globally marked final defiant entity that triggers the Christ arrival, he will only delay them, he will not impede their final mistake and global challenge. In that way, many can understand what world government shall trigger BEFORE it occurs.

Obviosuly, modern Christianity is a delusion mill, not a warning of anything in particular but just more “doomsday” hypers, who come in useful for the wildbeast cycle use. NO WAY is that the final warnign God will set in motion in His timing, NO WAY! It is the mass-apostasy to be revealed BEFORE the real end can come as per 2Thess2:1-4, and it is in the mass-church’s leadership “body”, all compromised and infiltrated at this time.

So just use endurance and faith, you are way ahead of most Christians who try to live in denial of these ominous signals. We have our work cut out for us. (Matt22:1-14) Religious labels are meaningless to God. Either we are for the Kingdom of God, or against it, there is no middle ground in Christianity. Most of Christianity and all of its leadership is working for, “worshiping”, the wildbeast system; it is what it is.


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Far too much Bible omitted.

much like the guy who went up and down the streets of Jerusalem with the wild dirge – lamenting, groaning with warning of this and that and still perished.

For seven years a man continued to go up and down the streets of Jerusalem, declaring the woes that were to come upon the city. By day and by night he chanted the wild dirge: “A voice from the east! a voice from the west! a voice from the four winds! a voice against Jerusalem and against the temple! a voice against the bridegrooms and the brides! a voice against the whole people!”–

Milman, The History of the Jews, book 13.

This strange being was imprisoned and scourged, but no complaint escaped his lips. To insult and abuse he answered only: “Woe, woe to Jerusalem!” “woe, woe to the inhabitants thereof!” His warning cry ceased not until he was slain in the siege he had foretold.

Whereas Jesus said the deception is much bigger than the NWO routine – yet the wanabes forget what JESUS forewarned in Mat 24


Not here but at http://www.templelijah.wordpress.com

jwupdate.wordpress.com and


there is plenty of Bible and graphical lay outs of all the final cycle prophecies. About 5000 pages worth and 20 prophecy framework graphics of the whole prophecy and especially this final cycle about to begin enroute to world government and then the Christ arrival for the big sovereign confrontation to capoff the Armageddon PHASE.

http://www.bibleresearchfiles.com was the first blog, but at that time I thought JWs were just out of date accidentally, so it does not expose the GB properly, and at times made the mistake of implying they were Biblical and it does not cover the full update which templelijah does. Templelijah is a symbol of the temple judgment awareness, not a person, and that blog is the entire updated testimony for all people, but especially Jehovah’s witnesses. NONE of this is for PayPal money making, it is just the final prophecy truth, anonymous, for all anointed Christians, not just Jehovah’s witnesses ones.

All of Christianity is heading into a temple judgment phase (Dan11:41; Dan8:13-14; Zech3:1-5; Matt24:15; Mal3:1-5; Rev8:3-5; Isa6:6-9), but JWs are of the proper apostasy magnitude and modern relevance and rather small scale, yet global, to demonstrate this judgment on the desolation of their visible mundane WTBTS based corprate resource base, the “established place” of Daniel 8:11.

And since you are just a paid troll, that is your last feeding, for others to see you are not real in your accusations, it is simply your job.

The timign of Daniel 8:14 will unfold on the destruction of the JW org. It will prove itself by that destruction, the cancellation of the now apostate JW ministry, and the 1150 days desolations timing, to 1150 days recovery. It all must transpire BEFORE the final 1260 days and its full final warning are commissioned by God, prior to world government and thus prior to the Christ arrival of all time, the true full “second coming”. (Matt24:29-31; Rev11:7-12; Rev14; Rev19:11-21, Rev17:17-20)


The Israel DECOY

Israel is as big as Vermont, it is a speck of a “nation”. The Rothschilds could have gold plated, the place and made it an “official nation” after WW1, even before then, EASILY. But as per Revelation 2:9 and 3:9, Israel is just a decoy populated by but more FAKES. FAKES used to mislead many to world government finally focused destruction. In the meantime, Israel is a center of destabilizing religious hatred of world renown, with an Israel versus Islam global plot theme.

All a big accident?

All of Israel’s post 1919 “prophecy progress” has all been orchestrated by the Rothschild elite control groups. Thus Rothschild, NOT GOD, is behind these decoy “prophecies”. And Christendom sells that “it is Israel prophecy!” LIE, to its global flock. And thus the decoy play is all set up, in Israel, and external in Christednom’s lie chamber reprise of the main theme.

Thus, when “they restore Israel” after Islam is laid low at global scale (in, or to end the final “sword stroke” world war phase), then the “prophecy” will lead to wildbeast world government.

And because people have been following that fake Israel carrot since 1919, the suckers will follow in fake Christianity, right into the global “Christian” wildbeast final 666 receiving endorsement phase of Revelation 13:3 and Revelation 17:8-13. Since the Rothschild have caused all this “Israel” progress, they are the “God” people imply is behind this fake Israel decoy. ALL FAKE!

Fake Israel will be the “crown jewel” of world government “nations”, it has all been destabilized on purpose, and will continue to be destabilized until they are ready for the grand deception to lure people to world government 666.

Even though its owners are QUADRILLIONAIRES in the Rothschild corporate complex, they could have gold plated Israel and encrusted it with 10 carat diamonds way back after WW1, it is always “the struggle of Israel”; meaning, it is just a production to keep focus on “Israel’s struggle”.

But it is all a production, so when Islam goes down, FAKE “Christianity” and FAKE “Israel” props will get their final boon, to sell world government, because up to that point all their “rapture” and “doomsday” prophecies will have failed, and this is just the last trick for the die hards left still willing to buy the lies.

All Satan can do is present ALL OF HIS DECOYS FIRST! Satan MUST present his entire decoy production BEFORE God and Christ arrive, it is the only way he can try to fool the world, he cannot wait until after God’s Kingdom comes, then it is too late!


1. At the VERY END of this cycle of counterfeits, Satan arrives with the demons playing “Christ and the angels” and “God”, a TOTAL DECOY. “Satan’s arrival”, as “king of world government”, is the culmination of the GLOBAL DECOY PRODUCTION to hype, promote and sell world government. (Rev13:3; Rev17:8-18)

2. They present world government counterfeit rival as the “Kingdom of God”, a decoy, and

3. They present Israel as if “Isaiah’s prophecy is fulfilling everyone!”, also a DECOY.

ALL DECOYS to sell 666 World Government wildbeast admiration.

But that is after the final world war “sword stroke” coming up, has gone into its globally hopeful and massive global-“healing” mode:

(Isaiah 41:1) “Attend to me in silence, you islands; and let national groups themselves regain power. Let them approach. At that time let them speak. Let us come up close together for the judgment itself.

That “sword stroke got healed” is that “nations regain power” AFTER this world war phase ends, BEFORE the judgment completes, and while ALL of Satan’s DECOYS are in place globally for that “one hour” of Revelation 17:12 under world government.

Then Christ will then arrive upon a world that has fully made its decision, one way or the other. Individuals will be dead set either for Christ’s Kingdom, or for 666 World Government with Israel as its big draw for dupable misled Christians. (Rev14:6-11; Rev13:16-18; Dan8:25; Dan11:44-45>>Dan12)

[QUOTE who=” T C W”]To alienate oneself from Jehovah God’s only place of peace and safety today, is everyone’s choice, to be free from any restriction by any rules, just be independant, be happy and live it up………
their decision to be destroyed with this world at Armageddon, does not affect the obedient faithful witnesses, who are loyal subjects of Jesus, our now ruling King in heaven.

Satan owns and rules this world, and everyone in it, that is why it must be destroyed, witnesses only tell the good news that a new world of paradise will replace it, and only the meek obedient subjects of Jesus as King, will inherit the coming new earth. No more sickness, crime, suffering or tears ever again.

Satan is bent on taking everyone with him into oblivion, especially people who believe they are right and godly.
Matthew 24:24[/QUOTE]

Jehovah is the salvation, not some “place”. To venerate and worship a “Governing Body” of sinner men, is to “alienate oneself from Jehovah God”, which JWs have been misled to do today. (Dan11:32a)

(Daniel 11:32) “And those who are acting wickedly against [the] covenant (at Bethel), he (8th King/King North) will lead into apostasy by means of smooth words. (The Bethel “smooth words” 8th King cover-up in the JW UN NGO publications is part of the smoothly justified apostasy);

Check under the GB, in the seal of their Bethel laundered underwear. It says “Made by King North”…


[QUOTE who=”Newtonian”]Bethel – Your post #8 is off thread title if I understand thread theme correctly.

Also, Jehovah’s Witnesses are neutral on political issues.

Appealing to Caesar is not compromising neutrality but imitating the apostle Paul who literally appealed to Caesar.

This did not mean he was giving allegiance to Caesar!

It does mean Romans chapter 13 is accurate.

NGO’s are by definition non-political. NGO stands for non-governmental organization.

Many human rights groups are also NGO’s – appealing like we do for human rights.

Sad you would criticize this!

But at least you were accurate that we do appeal to the UN as an NGO – you just failed to mention why!

The rest of your post is so inaccurate that it is not worthy of response.[/QUOTE]

It is in the theme of the thread, because as per Daniel 8:12, JWs are now under the control of the “small horn” boys, by way of Daniel 11:32a and the Governing Body of the modern “man of lawlessness”, whose clergy style “supreme council” is what the GB is.


In NO WAY does God approve of ANYTHING TO DO with the UN endorsements for the 3rd United Nations presentation of 1990, THAT is what the UN NGOs are, UN Secretariat information groups for public acceptance of the UN.

JWs are in HEAVY SINS AGAINST GOD with that UN NGO remaining unrepentance, concealing and dodging on the issue.

The UN NGO is the Daniel 8:13 “transgression CAUSING DESOLATION” tied to that UN NGO promotions for the “disgustign thing CAUSING DESOLATION”. They start by desolatign Bethel, and that is what the GB is selling to you as “the end”, as per 2Thess2:1-2.

The enemy is in the JW house, so it gets judged first as per 1Pet4:17, Zech3:1-5, Mal3:1-5, Rev8, Dan8:13-14, Dan11:41, NEXT.

NO NO NO there is NO WAY to justify a wildebast club that JWs have joined by the sanction of the Governign Body of Modern Apostasy.


Do not be fooled, this will have severe consequences going full blown JW org desolations soon.

If you doubt, it will be for the 1150 days of Daniel 8:14, as connected to the “small horn” subversion of JWs in Daniel 8:12.

This post is fully on the “small horn” subject, for they now run Bethel to destructions allowed by God for heavy UN related sins among JWs and the JW org.

Bethel Apostasy Foretold in Daniel 8 and 11

Daniel 8 and 11 Final Apostasy and 3rd UN Placement (1990) Connections and Parallels

OF COURSE, the King North placed GB is NOT going to discuss modern prophecy about their UN alliances and apostasy with modern JWs. That is why Bethel is very silent on modern prophecy, they are the final apostates we are told to be on the watch for at Rev2:2 and 2Thess2:1-4.

The old school faithful JWs from 1914-1969 (first witness) ain’t going to be able to carry today’s generation of apostate JWs, THAT is the “generation” of Matthew 24:15 temple judgment now coming on JWs.

This leads to the “secodn witness” final warning of the “TWO witnesses”, in time, after the GB is destroyed and Bethel is nearly cremated to nothing. (Dan8:13-14)


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Yep, temple judgement come to both Bethel and the parent seed the US government and the recast of Nebuchadnezzar who both thought they were greater than Jesus as King of kings. They both have faulty foundations form corruption. Jesus will settle the score and set matters straight with His second coming. We should repent and help each other proclaim the arrival of Jesus.


What makes matters serious, is the JW organization has become the biggest repraoch of God’s name and purpose EVER!

Now God MUST perfrom a justice event so big, even doubters will say “that place was hit by the wrath of God”, because only God can now cleanse His own name and purpose among Jehovah’s witnesses, the greatest enemies of God’s name as long as they follow that “head of gold” “rich man” Leper known as the Governing Body of Septic Spirit.

It is dead serious, because the visible locations of God’s name, as in ancient Jerusalem, is the place God brings all wrath when the time comes, because it is what people can see happen with their own eyes, it sets the touchstone for future enlightement.

So the JW organization desolation phase is first off for huge sins carried out daily against God and Christ, led by a globalist criminal cabal no better than the JW version of a clergy supreme council. By that “authority” JWs have now been led to spiritual ruin attempt first, now it is time for the “established place” to be thrown down. (Dan8:11) and the “constant feature”to be ceased, by the mouth of the Bethel pigman leaders of King North origin. (No offense to the pigs of the animal kingdom, who are doing what they are supposed to be doing, unlike JWs.)

(Ezekiel 36:22-23) “Therefore say to the house of Israel, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said: “Not for your sakes am I doing [it], O house of Israel, but for my holy name, which you have profaned among the nations where you have come in.”’ 23 ‘And I shall certainly sanctify my great name, which was being profaned among the nations, which you profaned in the midst of them; and the nations will have to know that I am Jehovah,’ is the utterance of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah, ‘when I am sanctified among you before their eyes.

What is comign on the apostate central JW org is the temple judgment brunt of Hosea, Amos, Micah, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Joel, Jeremiah, Zechariah and parts of Daniel, and others. The final fulfillment temple judgment prophecy, and most of those prophecies, now apply to the JW apostasy and their renegade globalist GB CEOs of Ruin.

It will be HUGE when it hits, so buig JWs will really think in error it is really “the end”. It’s goign to be ENORMOUS, and there will be no question in its aftermath God has laid Bethel low in smoking ruins, and He will transfer the infamy yo the GB and JW apostasy, where it belongs, NOT on His name and now misrepresented purpose.


It is going to be “Chapter 1” of the final warning summary, in time, so it will be convincing and TIMED FOR FUTURE VERIFICATION as per Daniel 8:13-14.

But it will produce the cleansing “right condition” for which it is permitted to occur. It’s going to be MIND BLOWING EVENTS on the apostate JW org, and its apostasy will become a central theme of the final warning, in self-disclosure as a big part of the convincing nature of that final wrap up.

But, the “good news” is, it gets through to many people, its going to be that big and penetrating in effect. And that tells us this final cycle (also for distraction and diversion) is going to also be huge, because they want to make the JW events, AS HUGE AS THEY ARE, seem as a sideline in comparison to the global downfall context (Dan11:41-43).

As in 1914, the “tribulation” partial purpose is to distract from what we need to catching on to. Keep your eyes on the JW org events, strange stuff is going to end that 1150 days of required desolation because of the “transgression causing desolation” in that UN NGO. As bad as the GB is, and they are horrendous, that UN NGO is WORSE.

There won’t be no GB left by the time the 1150 days expires. There will only be globs of smoking meat and fine ash, they are getting it in the face from the Temple Angel of God, personally. The are the worst enemies of truth since the Pharisees, bar none, worse than a 1000 popes and wizards in the relgions of the world.

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You lack knowledge of the expertise of the Masons/Illumminati to set up their own opposition, in order to make it look like the opposition (they created-ie ISIS) is out to defeat their agenda, both immediate and long term.
Mark my words! The world will see bio and/or nuclear warfare between Islam and Israel, where 200,000,000 people will be killed (“mutual destruction”- Albert Pike). Rev. 9:13-21.
What comes after will be the “falling away”, spoken of by Paul in 2 Thes. 2:3. While most of christianity thinks it to be “that man of sin” to be singular, the reality is IT WILL BE IN THE PLURAL!!
The many who shall fall away, will be those who are “that man of sin”.



I FULLY agree. They need a religious bogeyman to be played by Islam. They need a political bogeyman to be played by Russia and China, but they are all Illuminati controlled characters in the play. ALL OF THEM, they are even in on it at the top. (Dan11:36-39)

I am talking AFTER the purpose of ISIS is complete, they are destroyed by use of the next big stick, and nukes and so on. In the meantime expect “false flag” nukes and all kinds of “ISIS” backed mayhem EVERYWHERE. I think more people will be killed than all the wars since WW1, it is also phase one of the depopulation agenda. A billion can be killed, and it will only help the recovery “healing” from this final world war “sword stroke” cycle. (Rev13:3; Isa41:1)

This first phase depop aids the “healing” into a global recovery BOOM cycle like the world aint ever seen.


Nation-State Pawned in Daniel 11:42-43

In Daniel 11:42-43 “Egypt” becomes a “she”, that is subservient to King North. Egypt was the original capital city, a symbol, of King South and the nation-state domain. In this process King South is global national systems to be deposed into world government King North. All of them are deposed, not destroyed, but made subservient to the world government massive wealth “solution”. The nation-state has NO WEALTH, they have 100s of trillions in debt and unfunded liabilities coming due. 30 million in the US and EU systems will end up in the new concentration camps, imo.

The Rothschilds and all that Illuminati camp is the force of King North behind these global destabilization developments. But in time, it stabilizes into world government. Contrary to JWs and many Christians, it does NOT simply “devolve into the end”, it runs its course, resolves, and “heals” into world government. It is just a final world war cycle, the biggest one ever.

This is all just a predictable final “problem” cycle, to produce and promote the world government “solution”, as a globally seen entity in time, so many can clue in by that time that they trigger the Christ arrival when in complete and stated (1Thess5:1-3) form. Because there ill be no Christ arrival in the tribulation “problem” phase, but after it, yes. (Matt24:29-31)

You are way ahead of most Christians, the man of lawlessness is a human collective who shall cover up world government from the flock, and then promote come “solution” time.

All of this is to prime the final act of the play, a hoax and decoy is what it is. Islam being taken down, as the Middle East goes into full King North globalist control is to make the world percieve Israel as some “godsend” victor, and to give credibility to the last of the Christendom wildbeast promoters as they sell world government scarlet wildbeast 666 as if “God’s Kingdom everyone!” they restored Israel as foretold everyone!.

But it is all a 666 acceptance ruse.

When they are done with the ISIS gag, they will depose it. When they are done with the Christendom gag, they will depose it, and it has to be in that order, as those churches have to serve their 666 world government as if God’s Kingdom ruse first. But Islam is destroyed so they get a final boon of credibilty with that fake Israel prop, to lead people to the 666 world government “solution”.

This takes a few last years to complete, so it will be doubted, but as the milestones are stepped to, even some skeptics will see what it is really leading to in enormous global changes and milestones: world government, then the Christ arrival for the war of universal sovereignty, even Satan will be canned in this war. (Rev19:11-21; 20:1-3)


[QUOTE who=”Newtonian”]Bethel – You have misrepresented our stand against child abuse. Likely you have been reading anti-witness sites (and posts) which lie about us.

Try actually going to our literature, and our website if you really want to know our stand on this terrible plague on mankind.

My focus in this thread, however, will be on being protected from terrorism such as the mass killing that occurred in Orlando, Florida recently.

There are other threads on the child abuse issue – if you post there I will respond on that issue there.

Suffice it to say that Jehovah’s Witnesses have a very strict moral code based on Bible teaches.[/QUOTE]

Pedophiles among JWs is an EPIDEMIC, not a lie. Bethel policy is why pedophiles fell free to put on a suit, sing some songs and scope tweeners in the congo.

JWs may have a strict moral code from the neck up. The flesh is the flesh, and flesh unleashed with no controls as Bethel policy means JWs have a pedophile problem. The only lies is coming from the apostate leadership of JWs. Now judgment must begin on Jehovah’s witnesses, we are far far from “the end”.

Covering up modern prophecy is also the job of the GB.

In time JWs must go from denial, to full blown acceptance, or get tossed in the weed bundles. Plain and simple, being Jehovah’s witness is not a license to sin at will, and even join the wildbeast club as UN NGO, with no consequences. JWs are due for a great humbling experience, I can see that much plain as day in your unrepentant statements.

Many JWs believe they are above a judgment. They thought wrong, and the GB is why. There is no GB for the final warning, their days are numbered to the 1150th very day of Daniel 8:14,26.


What do we know about the small horn?

Well it is in the progression of Daniel 7 and 8, it is not the end game power, it is its root.

We know the small horn is the root of world government “King of Fierce Countenance”, the couterpart fot eh complete 4th beast of Dan 7, when finally a true world government in the future.

We also know this:

(Daniel 8:24-25) . . .And he will actually bring mighty ones to ruin, also the people made up of [the] holy ones. 25 And according to his insight he will also certainly cause deception to succeed in his hand.. . .

See that? By advanced Satanic insight, KFC decieves all peoplw by globalorchestrations, like the Global War on Terror, and as you see at places like JW-archive, true hate speech is now becomign part of the subversion of JWs to also buy this period as the end, and Islam as the enemy, when Islam is just one more harlot of false religion, a far bigger enemy empowered by the small horn.

But because the GB is from the “small horn” (Dan8:12) and its “King North” parallel of KFC as Daniel 11:32a, they do not coach JWs, but dumb them down to be played like a fiddle by the small horn.

Now JWs will be led into GWOT 2, and Cold War 2, and think it is “the end”, decieved by small horn insight, and plain infiltration described in Daniel 8:11-12, Daniel 11:30b-35.

As shown the small horn will now destroy the JWhorg “he will actually bring mighty ones to ruin, also the people made up of [the] holy ones” and that before the final cycle of Revelation 11. But JWs will recover and get a “crash course” in modern prophecy in action right in their own apostasy.


[QUOTE who=”JesusWasNOTaJew -GoogleIt”]<quoted text>

-Mostly plausible, but you throw in the ‘666’ number from Rev 13:18 around like crazy, as if it means something that you understand
Explain it from your understanding please



Because it is plain simple and totally logical, so I’ll explain what you will NEVER hear at an infiltrated Christendom academic summary. NEVER in a million years, can part of the “scarlet wildbeast” riding “harlot” system reveal her master’s ultimate goal: World Government completion, and allegiance to it as worship of the wildbeast and Satan, in place of the worship of God, plain and simple. It is obedience to the wildbeast laws (Dan7:25), instead of obedience to God’s laws.

Because the 666 is a symbol of the opposite of allegiance to the Kingdom of God.

The 666 is master elite and national allied administrations (forehead marked) and general slaves (hand marked) who are choosing the world government 8th Kingdom over the Messianic Kingdom (with in time full warning of the consequences (Rev14:9-11), mind you). The Christ Kingdom, or “Messianic Kingdom”, is the SECOND divine “Kingdom” manifestation of prophecy and reality. (Luke 22:28-30; Dan2:31-45)

666ers choose to worship Satan the Dragon, rather than God, period. Satan is the final recipient of the worship of the wildbeast.

(Revelation 13:4) And they worshiped the dragon because it gave the authority to the wild beast, and they worshiped the wild beast with the words: “Who is like the wild beast, and who can do battle with it?”

I’ll tell you who can and will destroy the completed world government wildbeast system after full fair warning is given: God and Jesus Christ and the whole Kingdom of God forces. They don’t call Him Lord of Hosts for nothing! The wildbeast and Satan don’t stand a chance, they will be wiped out, Satan abyssed like a can of tuna, canned, boxed, and buried under unbreakable chains and seal.

The Christ Kingdom is the one purposed to be the sovereign system of planet Earth (and this universe), God’s Kingdom is the highest order of super universal rulership, NOT the one “set up” in Daniel 2, but the one that sets up the Christ Kingdom and news of that is the final warning theme that comes as they are about to go into full world government, BEFORE it is complete.

It is a very important detail to know a specific Christ centered, God empowered “Kingdom” is the “New Universal Order” with ruling entities under God and Christ who “cast the Devil out” of all Kingdom domains (heaven and earth, and who rule at universal scale this entire universe as Satan and the demons are “rolled up like a scroll” and abyssed. These new rulers under God and Christ are the “New Heavens”. Of course an immortal LIFE power, will have very positive affects on ALL LIFE on Earth, so we will get the “New Earth” over the 1000 years as death and hades are emptied and removed. Death is a very broad meaning, so yes, animals must also be restored to life. (Eze47:9; Ps133)

There was NO DEATH in Eden in the sinless state. People born into this enormous Satanic lie, have very very little comprehension of a deathless planetary system. (Rom8:18-22) But THAT is what comes when “Last Adam” and his “indestructible life” “plugs in” his immortal power line into earth, rather than the death power of Satan, in that Genesis 1:28-30 hierarchy of the restored blessing of LIFE, now a curse of death under dead Satan.


And it will never be “unplugged”, Satan will get what he chose, and be demolished to angelic smithereens when Christ gets done with that lump of weak crap.

EVERYTHING coming out of the compromised Christendom complex is a diversion from the simple world government ALLEGIANCE and ownership that is the 666 “mark” of complete and full world government, NOT the national system. This is why ALL PERSONS, even national leaders, are coing to be bribed and or coerced to endorse world government as the highest authority to be worshiped on Earth, come world government time.

Now if Satan can try to get humans destroyed by allegiance to world government wildbeast system, by getting marked “666”, then ANYONE who keeps that mark from themselves can in diametric judgment meaning, be saved. That is the broadest salvation opportunity in prophecy and reality.

Even those from the outlawed global religious “harlot” complex, can be saved “a tenth the city fell” into salvation as Revelation 11:13 and Revelation 14:6-8 MUST parallel. Revelation 11:7-12, the cessation of the final warning, results in Revelation 11:11-12 Christ arrival paralell of Matthew 24:29-31 which gathering from “heaven’s extremity” to “earth’s extremity” in the “four winds” phae of the “one hour” parallel of full world government, is the completions of Revelation 7 and 14.

And by that time the awareness of the truth of this CHOICE, to worship God (Rev14:6-7) or the wildbeast 666 world government system will transcend religious barriers that merely distract from this truth, for all sorts of diversions. As an example of Christendom diversions, the “666” “chip” is just a diversion, the world government allegiance requirements that may come with a chip is the 666.

The whole Christendom complex is fully of diversions and truths misarranged to promote the premature “the end” and Christ arrival delusion of 2Thess2:1-2, plain as day, premature hype, to divert awareness away from the simpler truths. Look at JWs, they are fuly expecting “the end” sooner than any Christian group, Bethel is telling them the JW org will be destroyed “soon, very soon” (WT7/15/15), from their own mouth, and most JWs do not see the red flag in this hoaxing “self-fulfilling prophecy”.

At the basic level of 666 meaning, the wildbeast is firstly a symbol of a predator. Human predatory development is the base attitude of the 666, it is also predatory people who choose world government, because in this long line of exposures of the kinds of people who found world government, we know it was based on the world war and war predation of nations, and financial and social and religious predation, and these birds, in full eyes open knowledge of their murderous ascension in world power, all flock together into 666.

They justify any means to get more power, they cloak their murders in the most “grandiose words” and “good intentions” and justifications and rationalizations seen. (Dan8:24) They are predatory master liars, and full of themselves with self-right claims.

The “conspiracy theorists” have revealed everything in the “signs seen in sun, moon and stars” about this system of Illuminati “lights”, it is GUILTY before God, it charges people rent (Dan11:36-39), and now God is sending them the bill, HE is the owner, Christ is His “Land Lord”. THAT bill is real, and they have to pay.

God will vindicate the truth, even generic truths of so-called “conspiracy theorists”, and Satan is a conspirator, it is no “theory” and he rules this place and these elite devils. Conspiracy REALITY is what the Bible well exposes in the works of Satan and Adamic man, it is the base trait of sinful man, Eden’s sin was based on “conspiracy” with Satan, and it is the basis of everything that followed.

Christians MUST be the opposite, vengeance is the Lords, and there is no reason to physically fight what will be taken out by God, Christ and a billion billion angels. There is no reason to get caught up in their religious crusades and jihads or their political polarizations.

When you choose the Kingdom of the Son of Man, we have to vow to obey the laws of the Kingdom that will restore all life on planet Earth, ALL LIFE, and unite all as one. (Eze47, Rev21:-22; 1Cor15:24-28; Heb2:14; Rom8:18-22; Matt19:28; Matt6:10)

With a “resume” like Christ’s and the power of God in this coming KINGDOM, we don’t need no stinkin’ “world government” of greedy liar self-righteous yet dead guilty warlords, bankers and globalist statecraft elites and blood soaked technocrats.

There day is coming. They aint squirming out of this one.


[QUOTE who=”Lordylordy9111″]<quoted text>

Bingo! Excellent point. [/QUOTE]


I got to post about 5000 posts, UNTIL I posted on Zechariah 3 and the state of Bethel INTERNALLY. Then, out of the blue, not only was I unable to even login, no reason given, my posts were PURGED.

I sent a letter to Bethel spokesman David Semonian there in that post, and open letter, and it lasted about a day. Then I “snuck” back in. You can knock Bethel all you want at JWN, as long as you keep to the agenda. You CANNOT, under any circumstances, reveal a larger operation that uses Bethel internal scandal feeds, to places like JWN, to work as one, to?

Discredit the “time limited” warning.

THAT is all this Bethel garbage man GB is “governing”, discrediting a warning plain as day in the Bible. You do not need to be Einstein, Sherlock Holmes or Daniel to KNOW this planet has active evils well hidden, and that its ruling power system is limited in time, and that we KNOW who the replacement that GOD HAS CHOSEN, anointed and promised and SWORN the oath to give HIM this planet: Jesus Christ.

It is his anyways, “from the beginning”, but now he is coming in with eventual total fair warning, to wipe his rival from the face of the earth, and every minute that passes is one minute closer to their end, and his beginning as planetary Earth ruler placed by God and Universal King of kings.

That is what all this Bethel diversion is about, snuffing the furthest point of Kingdom of God explanations, now stalled and covered up FROM WITHIN BETHEL.

We don’t ned to be Daniel to understand the infiltration and subversion meaning here:

(Daniel 11:32) “And those who are acting wickedly against [the] covenant (at Bethel), he (8th King/King North) will lead into apostasy by means of smooth words. (The Bethel “smooth words” 8th King cover-up in the JW publications is part of the smoothly justified apostasy);

It is plain as day, ONLY the place of the latest “holy covenant” news, can be the place of this modern final apostasy at Bethel. That prophecy applies to Bethel’s apostasy, not Christendom.


And we have a parallel here, also plain as day as the JW “army” and “constant feature” is now under elite Anglo control of the 8th Horn, “small horn”:

(Daniel 8:11-12) And all the way to the Prince of the army it put on great airs, and from him the constant [feature] was taken away, and the established place

(Bethel JW worldwide organization)

of his sanctuary was thrown down.

12 And an (JW worldwide) army itself was gradually given over (to 8th King infiltrative control), together with the constant [feature] (imbibed with disinformation), because of transgression;

(UN NGO and other sins permits allowance of the compromise by removed divine blessing and discernment while fulfillment of prophecy is effected for greater future purpose);

and it kept throwing truth to the earth (cover up, disinformation), and it acted and had success.

(Dan11:30 “act effectively” parallel completely successful unlike anything World War 2 produced in ultimate failure when compared to this 8th King engineered intelligence and subversion operation deployed through the Governing Body and installed Bethel agents GUIDED BY “KING NORTH” globalist intel);

Bethel joining the UN NGO Wildbeast Club at the same time of this prophecy being able to be sen, is all the evidence we need (Dan11:31b), to know who they are WITH in this development.

This post would not last 10 minutes if that hypocrite Simon or “Lady Lee” saw out, they KNOW what they are sinning against and what they work for, they are the King North GB’s external cronies. There has to be ramifications, from God, they are not about the truth, they are about aiding the good news discrediting campaign, in full knowledge of what they are doing.

But Bethel is the focus of God’s coming temple wrath. (Isa66:6; Matt22:1-14) They are our modern “City of Murder” and its idol lord GB and other not so visible King North controlled WTBTS admins. The “watchtower Society” is full of impostors.



[QUOTE who=”BethelJudgment”]

“Bethel’s crimes are not made up or hearsay, they are the subject of FBI and other national legal agency investigations in far more than just the pedophile crimes.”



[QUOTE who=”FH Chandler”]

I typically like your comments, but you’re bordering on moonbat territory.



Actually this is the most defensible thing in that post, I don’t know much about Shilmer, but I KNOW Bethel is a KNOWN money laundering operation that has, since 1980, been in control of 30 billion dollars, they are as big or bigger than the Mormons, a 30 billion dollar enterprise. (Of course the FBI, ATF, CIA, etc will monitor an operation of Bethel’s scale, that is a no brainer. They know if Bethel slips up, they get the booty.)

The ARC is NOTHING, as significant as it is, if they don’t have more dirt already. The ARC is JUST THE BEGINNING of Bethel’s exposure prior to WTBTS global corporate seizure by global level and national level legal authorities. (This is “the end” they are preparing JWs for, they just aint telling JWs it is the end of the Bethel rackets.)

And why are the smaller JWs bigger than the Mormons? SLAVE LABOR, totally focused on one thing: Enriching Bethel’s assets. JW ROI comes in two forms, massive donations, and free labor. And the Mormons have nothing like JWs in that enslaved labor camp. The Dark Ages Catholic system is the only other religious empire that compares to the comprehensive asset valuation and global expansion model of the WTBTS.

They are FAR from broke! They have funneled 10 billion in JW donations, 10 billion in real-estate tycoonery, and 10 billion in banking and stock market/derivatives laundering.

The pedophile stuff is for bottom up prosecution phases coming that would takes years to milk out. The rackets charges will be for top down THAT DAY seizure of all WTBTS global assets for King North globalists. They already have to have a multi-billion dollar Chase and Goldman relationship even now, even now they are skimming JWs blind.

There is no way a multi-billion dollar racket like the WTBTS is “off the radar”. They are dirty everywhere one wants to look, bottom to top, and top to bottom.

They are saving this Tsunami of WTBTS Prosecutions for the global event context that will further accelerate this process. When they hit Bethel, it will be hard and complete.


This is why they are telling JWs to “expect the end”, and Bethel even now foretells their own “siege” in WT 7/15/15, WT 11/15/13. They KNOW they are targeted for takeover of all JW assets. Why do you think they stripped the congregations of millions of dollars? To set the entire JWs network of real estate in jeopardy. And they will cloak it with a “Self-fulfilling prophecy” sold off to JWs as a Bible prophecy, so JWs will accept the Bethel takeover as if “the end” of it all.

But it will NOT be “the end”, but of Bethel apostasy, and most if not all the JW org. The rest of the global cycle “problem” just runs its world war course to the world government “only solution”. And in those bitter years, JWs will have to come to grips with the FACT, they were infiltrated, suckered and misled to the tune of 20 billion dollars. 10 billion has already been skimmed. 4 billion will have to be left “nailed to the ground” in the JW physical real estate system, that will go to King North recovery use.

This is why JWN will not allow the true nature of the anti-JW org operation to be mad public in their network. JWN is funded by JW skimmed dollars, as is King and Cedars and some others. The rest is just on “auto-pilot”, them big discrediting sites are all King North backed and orchestrated to discredit the initial and final warning that will, none the less, come from this JW org disaster.

And when it does, what will be the focus?

Jehovah’s witnesses. Because that is where the final warning must erupt from in a spiritual recovery also backed by God. God allowed this apostasy and mega-scandal to form, because it ultimately keeps global focus on JWs, and will, as usual, aid God’s purpose for re-amping the “ggod news”, but in FINAL WARNING form, prior to 8th King World Government completion, to directly fully warn of its ramifications:

It will trigger the Christ of God to “sheep sweep” planet Earth, and then to go into a battle mode that will crack continents and re-align them and turn the Earth “upside down” as per KJV Isaiah 24, full blown Kingdom of God conquest on the global “plains” of Armageddon, filling the skies with 100 billion billion holy angels of God and Christ, to also zap Satan’s “heavenly places” camps for the abyss.

It is all real, Jehovah’s witnesses [used to] keep it real and in your face, because it is ALL TRUE. THAT is why they are INSIDE of Bethel, creating a WT dirty laundry based distraction campaign.

World Government will trigger Christ when they complete world government, very simple.

And as world government starts to reveal global intent before completion, people can use that simple truth of its ramifications to start getting ready to stand the stand, and be saved, rather than accept world government and its 666 of allegiance. People can get ready for Christ arrival, by gauging the world government development “going global” to required completion first. (1Thess5:1-3 is world government “world peace” claims of complete world government, AFTER this final “sword stroke” world war cycle coming up as Rev13:3; Rev17:8-12)


[QUOTE who=”JesusWasNOTaJew GoogleIt”] “…expect “false flag” nukes and all kinds of “ISIS” backed mayhem EVERYWHERE. I think more people will be killed than all the wars since WW1, it is also phase one of the depopulation agenda.”
–they’re Already been accomplishing a big ‘soft kill’ to lower the population through the lab-created viruses like AIDS which was laced into the smallpox vaccine, given by the UN’s W.H.O. in Central Africa and it was laced into the first Hep-B vaccine which they laced in the first batch of the Hep-B vaccine and they encouraged the ‘gays’ to take. Google HR 15090 and read ‘Emerging Viruses…’ by Dr. Horowitz and watch Alex Jones’ documentary ‘End Game’ on Youtube, especially the 2nd half of it. Now it turns out that vaccine pusher Bill Gates and a company hired by him may be responsible for causing the Zika virus. Our evil govt. and Donald Rumsfeld & Searle pharmaceutical which he worked for are responsible for mutating Horse Equine Encephalitis into West Nile virus and it was sold to Saddam Hussein back before he became ‘the enemy’ because he stopped selling Iraq oil for U.S. dollars. Hussein had it deployed in the Jerusalem area and NYC in order to kill zionist jews. -That’s one of the biggest secrets covered-up by the NWO govt. schemers, the fact that Hussein did have some WMDs like West Nile and the stuff our soldiers were ordered to blow up at the Khamisiyah bunker, and the Bio/Chem warfare agent detector alarms went off but the Brass told the grunt soldiers there to ignore the alarms and not use their respirators etc. and so they got the Gulf War Syndrome which killed many soldiers after they came home and caused their children to be born deformed etc.

“…they are all Illuminati controlled characters in the play. ALL OF THEM, they are even in on it at the top.(Dan11:36-39) ”

-Daniel 11:36-39 doesn’t say that

And the terms ‘universe’/’universal’ are not scriptural. In Heb. 11:3 the term ‘worlds’ is not proof that there are other planets with people on them.


(Daniel 11:39) . . .Whoever has given [him] recognition he will make abound with glory, and he will actually make them rule among many; and [the] ground he will apportion out for a price.

They are the ones “giving King North recognition” in all the Middle east, Russian and Chinese globalization councils of their own elite brand of “Illuminators”.

It is just a play this world war “problem” coming up, all played out to produce the world government “solution”.


Jehovah’s “witnesses” are negligent, so final anointed GROUP has to do complete the job.

In time, when JWs are thrown up by the Great Fish” from God, they can join the final warning Kingdom campaign too.

But as the “sign of Jonah” ALL will see with their own eyes, JWs have to go down in “abyss” 1150 days of Daniel 8:13-14 “evening” phase, to be released to light in the 1150 days “mornign” phase as the Revelation 2.0 Rev9 “abyss opened” parallel to expunge smoking JW locusts, fresh from judgment, to start by exposing Bethel’s apostasy.

Exposing our modern evil slave and man of lawlessness in Bethel’s, by that time, former state, means EVERYTHING Bethel has been concealing “throw truth to the earth”, will ALSO be revealed in this process to world government, the very trigger of the Christ stellar explosion of his long awaited full arrival in “power and great glory”.

That is what Bethel’s apostasy to be judged in temple judgment in timed, phased, manner, leads to, in time.

In time all approved Jehovah’s WITNESSES will be speaking this same message, it is the ONLY explanation because it is prophecy fulfilling as we speak, and after.

It is the start of the final “second witness” warning, and it makes total sense as to why their has had to be “TWO witnessings”.


You are putting words in my mouth. All I am saying, if no one steps up to bat, well someone has to be on deck. And this one is a grand slam, not a strike out like modern JWs.

The truth always comes out in time. It is time for the full truth of prophecy, is all it is.

But JWs go down first (1150 days), and recover (1150 days; Dan8:14), so we got some time before the Truth Tsunami preceedign Christ arrival comes forth across Earth. Christ will kick the globalists in the balls so hard (Isa37), they will have to let JWs go. (Hos1:4-7) And it will take them a few years to scrounge up the courage and enough fighting spirit to cease the final warning. (Rev11:7; Rev13:5-7)

The final warnign will be ceased (Dan12:11), AFTER it has completely done its job. (Rev11:7-10) Then look out. In the mentime, the final warning hasn’t even been given to JWs, they need to be disciplined and repent first. (Rev9-10:5-11)

Either repent, or start running today, you may get an extra couple hours of breath. (Am9:1-3)

This is all real, Christ is comign in, and he will give full warning before he gets here, because his arrival is the time for determination of who lives, and who dies, there is no middle ground that day. Of course, it will get a full fair warning.

You bet its “nuts”, LOL, them world government guys are not “paranoid”, Christ is really out to get them. Their ultimate fears about to become very very real. That’s just the truth, and he will tell them about it first. They got good reason for the fear that drives them. Someone is coming for them.

But like anyone else, they could repent and live. It’s a fair offer, you can’t beat Christ when he goes out to get ya.


Why don’t you go to the Islam Topix forum and ask this question? That is if you think you can easily reverse engineer Islam any easier than Christendom and Bethel’s GB clergy class. (Meanign, this threads goal is FUTILE, it will just spur on the diversion as intended by the “small horn” and “two horned wildebast” controlled global-state and its WTBTS cell of apostasy. (Dan11:32a)

Global Crusade Versus Global Jihad: How Decoy “Israel” and the “Crusaders” “Win” to Highlight Wildbeast World Government “Hero Solution” Global Acceptance from “Abyss” (Rev17:8-12)

Remember how the Masons interpret this period we are now entering?

“The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the “agentur” of the “Illuminati” between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time.” (Albert Pike and Three World Wars)


1. The final “sword stroke” world war needs a religious bogeyman to be played by Islam at global all city penetrating scale in the EU and US nations (this allows NATO to come in and route them out in every US and EU city, to end the world war cycle in this phase of the orchestration).

2. They need a political bogeyman to be played by Russia and China, but they are all Illuminati controlled characters in the play. ALL OF THEM, they are even in on it at the top. (Dan11:36-39) (Russia will be sold off to JWs by Apostate-Bethel as the “New King North” to continue to conceal world government 8th King as the real King North, and to make JWs think the events of Daniel 11:41, are Daniel 11:44 in over advanced error)

I am talking AFTER the purpose of ISIS is complete, they are destroyed by use of the next big stick, and nukes and precision energy space placed and wave weapons to end the religious “Crusade” phase of this next world war. This will highlight Israel as the “hero”, “prophecy is fulfilling everyone” to be applied to 666 world government decoy of God’s Kingdom, by use of decoy fake Israel. (Rev2:9; 3:9)

In the meantime, expect many more “false flag” shootings, bombs and even nukes and all kinds of “ISIS” backed mayhem EVERYWHERE. I think more people will be killed than all the wars since WW1, it is also phase one of the depopulation agenda. A billion can be killed, and it will only help the recovery “healing” from this final world war “sword stroke” cycle. (Rev13:3; Isa41:1)

This first phase depop aids the “healing” into a global recovery BOOM cycle like the world aint ever seen. (Rev13:3; Isa41:1)


Nation-State Pawned in Daniel 11:42-43

In Daniel 11:42-43 “Egypt” becomes a “she”, that is subservient to King North. Egypt was the original capital city, a symbol, of King South and the nation-state domain. In this process King South is global national systems to be deposed into world government King North. All of them are deposed, not destroyed, but made subservient to the world government massive wealth “solution”. The nation-state has NO WEALTH, they have 100s of trillions in debt and unfunded liabilities coming due. 30 million in the US and EU systems will end up in the new concentration camps, imo.

The Rothschilds and all that Illuminati camp is the force of King North behind these global destabilization developments. But in time, it stabilizes into world government. Contrary to JWs and many Christians, it does NOT simply “devolve into the end”, it runs its course, resolves, and “heals” into world government. (Rev13:3; Rev17:8-12; Isa41) It is just a final world war cycle, the biggest one ever.

This is all just a predictable final “problem” cycle, to produce and promote the world government “solution”, as a globally seen entity in time, so many can clue in by that time that they trigger the Christ arrival when in complete and stated (1Thess5:1-3) form. Because there ill be no Christ arrival in the tribulation “problem” phase, but after it, yes. (Matt24:29-31)

All of this is to prime the final act of the play, a hoax and decoy is what it is. Islam being taken down, as the Middle East goes into full King North globalist control is to make the world perceive DECOY Israel as some “godsend” victor, and to give credibility to the last of the Christendom wildbeast promoters as they sell world government scarlet wildbeast 666 as a DECOY “God’s Kingdom everyone!” they restored Israel as foretold everyone!.

But it is all a 666 acceptance ruse.

When they are done with the ISIS gag, they will depose it in flames and much bloodshed. When they are done with the Christendom gag, they will depose it, and it has to be in that order, as those churches have to serve their 666 world government as if God’s Kingdom ruse first. But Islam is destroyed so “Israel and Christian Crusaders” get a final boon of credibility with that fake Israel prop, to lead people to the 666 world government “solution”. Christendom and all BTG goes down under world government, after they have done their “harlot” job selling 666 acceptance to their flocks to all accept wildbeast world government.

This takes a few last years to complete, so it will be doubted, but as the milestones are stepped to, even some skeptics will see what it is really leading to in enormous global changes and milestones: world government, then the Christ arrival for the war of universal sovereignty, even Satan will be canned in this war. (Rev19:11-21; 20:1-3)


In the meantime Islam is a big diversion and mill of global religious and social destabilization, as the wildbeast pumps the enemy ISIS forces into the US and EU, as “immigration”, to start phase 1 of the “Crusade versus Jihad” destabilization and terror events. The EU will be flooded with 5 million Muslims, a percentage of which will be with the ISIS resistance forces.

Thus, the people’s own governments are the ones who set up the need for NATO to come in (later), in time, and remove all Islamics when the religious phase of this world war is set to end into the NWO “Crusader” and “Israel” required victory, which victory highlights the world government that will ensconce Israel as the crown jewel of the wildbeast decoy system of “god’s kingdom”.

It is all part of the 100% wildbeast Middle East takeover process and the fall of Iran, and so on. They need all the oil and “hidden treasures” of the Muslim world for their world government needs. (Dan11:42-43)

JWs are very backward and “Asleep!” in globalization techniques and false-flag understanding. IT is all a ruse, and JWs will help, because they know nothing new by use of the GB apostasy governing device of darkness.

(Hence Newtonian’s distraction to try to reverse engineer Islam, a futile attempt, when Jehovah’s witnesses is the apostasy to be examined in close detail. (Dan8:11-14; Dan11:30-35) JWs are now just part of the global “doomsday” delusion warned of here, but ignored by all WTBTS/GB worshiping apostate JWs:

(2 Thessalonians 2:1-2) However, brothers, respecting the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we request of you 2 not to be quickly shaken from your reason nor to be excited either through an inspired expression or through a verbal message or through a letter as though from us, to the effect that the day of Jehovah is here.


Strange how ALL of the “blowback” is caused by Bethel and the GB themselves. It is like they are the worst enemy of all JWs, and all mankind. Them men sitting on the Bethel Papal Thrones, are the cause of all this disgust.

Now how on earth can a time-bomb like this, be placed by JWs own hands?????

THAT’s the weirdest thing about it. JWs themselves are their own worst enemy, the world’s reaction is just the “blowback effect” from the JW first “cause”.

This is a very weird development, it is as if the Devil has decided to lodge at Bethel, it is like the Satan himself is formulating ALL GB policy, I kid you not. (Zech3:1-3)

And it is just 40 years of GB mayhem, the best is YET TO COME. This JW Soap Opera is going to be one of the most interesting comedic tragedy dramas you will ever witness, eventually.

It is just a matter of time for this time-bomb to EXPLODE. THAT is what it is all indicating.


As per Matthew 24:29-31, this phase of the tribulation resolves into world government, and the “sheep sweep” phase of the Christ arrival, not “the end” in that Matt24:29-31 sequence, just the lead-in into Revelation 14, as Revelation 11:7-12 is the Christ arrival segway, after the 1260 days complete final warning (yet to come), is ceased.

Meaning, the “tribulation of those days” resolves peacefully (1Thess5:1-3)

The “four winds” phase, under FULL WORLD GOVERNMENT, is to be far far more dangerous than this global crash phase. (Dan11:42-43)

Why? Because the “scarlet wildbeast” and Satan will be in then 100% control of the entire global techno-weapons control network. (Hence Matt24:21-22) IN a time of “freedom from care” (Dan8:25), same as that world peace phase (1Thess5:1-3)this tribulation phase will resolve into;

Just have faith and ride this phase out, it is survivable, it leads to world government. World government triggers the Christ arrival. So, God can use this phase like a wake up call for many (Hag2:7), to eventually start to get ready world government and thus the Christ arrival.

Get ready NOW! This takes over a decade more to resolve, JWs will be given a 15 year recovery as per Isaiah 38, to be explained to them AFTER the temple judgment and timing of Daniel 8:13-14. (1150 days minimum, 2300 days possible, first timed phase to transpire in the “tribulation of those days” coming up)

The 1260 days is not next, it comes after Jehovah’s witnesses have been disciplined and purified to get that commission from the hand of The Temple Angel, from God. (Rev10; Rev11:3)


[QUOTE who=”Newtonian”]Bethel judgment – commenting only on your contribution to thread theme and leaving the tangents to other threads where they are discussed (which I hope to get to eventually btw):

On your post 25 – first, can you see all 27 posts thus far?[/QUOTE]


[QUOTE who=”Newtonian”]First of all, my aim in this thread is not to change the beliefs of the religions of Islam, or of Christendom, or our (JW) beliefs.

My goal in this thread is based on listening to Donald Trumps exhortation to be educated on these matter and especially Trump’s words:


Thus this is meant to be an educational thread – starting with our literature since this is a discuss JW forum section.

So this thread is only futile to you or others who are not reading the posts and learning about Islam. Of course, if you think any of the points from our literature or my personal comments are inaccurate – please post which statements, why you feel that way – and your variant take on the detail involved.[/QUOTE]

Well maybe I should read more carefully myself. I think Trump has valid concerns, so if that is what you are trying to help explain, then maybe this won’t be futile. But understanding ISIS is an Anglo-American controlled “two horned wildbeast” controlled tool, should help. I mean Donald Trump was not on the Alex Jones show because he is ignorant about who made ISIS and Al Qaeda, all known and well documented CIA Middle east destabilization projects since the start of the Cold War.

So that is the most important aspect that Donald Trump is leading people to ascertain, though he cannot say it quite as clearly as Alex Jones, THAT is the root of the problem, ISIS is an Anglo global destabilization tool.

cont later

[QUOTE who=”Newtonian”]Good suggestion about posting on the Islam section of this forum – I may do that after I finish my research into our literature on Islam and any input from other posters like you.

I have a separate thread on the little horn of Daniel – which see. The two horned beast – are you referring to Revelation – the false prophet?[/QUOTE]

Their number one false prophecy is the “new world order” prophecy. They are Anglo-American [[GLOBALIST ELITES]], who control the US national system, which Bethel will not expose, because they are under their control too. (Dan8:12; Dan11:32a)

[QUOTE who=”Newtonian”]The wild beast of Revelation 17:8-12 is a different wild beast with 10 horns and 7 heads – the two horned beast of Revelation 13:11-18 is actually the 7th head of the original 10 horned wild beast – i.e. the 7th world power which set up the image of the wild beast which is the 8th king. See my separate thread on this.[/QUOTE]

There is a little more to it. The GLOBALIST ELITES use the 7th head (NATIONAL SYSTEM) of Rev13 beast. THE GLOBALIST ELITES are the “two horned wildbeast”. It is an independent GLOBALIZING wildbeast system, yet with Anglo-American roots, it is the Anglo-American [[[globalist elite]]] world controlling system. (Bethel will not expose this obvious globalist connection, because they are controlled by the globalists; Dan8:12)

Two horned wildbeast globalist elites will be the “7th head” of SCARLET WILDBEAST which is world government 8th King, King North totality when complete, not the Rev13 7th head which is just US national government. Rev13 wildbeast is the national systems, Rev 17 scarlet wildbeast is its full absorption as world government globalist system gone global.

They control it too, but the GLOBALISTS are different and more powerful. They are all these supranational entities like CFR, Bilderberg, Illuminati, 33rd Degree Mason groups, TLC, etc. ALL WORKING AS ONE. The “two horned wildbeast” CONTROLS the 7th head of the UK/US [national] systems. They are the leaders of globalization, and the US is subject to that goal. Globalization is the “order” system, in the “new world order”, which culminates as world government. 100% globalization “gathering” (Rev16:13-16), is world government complete.

[QUOTE who=”Newtonian”]Interesting Masonic beliefs on this that you posted – but I doubt Muslims agree with the beliefs of Freemasons!

So you think the final sword-stroke (aka death stroke) [that was healed) is a third sword stroke in a third world war which the Freemasons believe is coming as a result of mutual destruction of political Zionism and Islam?[/QUOTE]

Revelation has two cycles. Yes there is a required final world war in prophecy, and as part of the world government presentation process.

[QUOTE who=”Newtonian”]We don’t believe that – and, as I said, I doubt Muslims do either.

So who do you think are the illuminati?

You think that Russia will be sold off to Jehovah’s Witnesses and we (Bethel) becomes the new king of the North?

Frankly, I find that belief totally untenable.[/QUOTE]

Well that would be untenable. JWs are infiltrated to be subverted for King North use temporarily.(Dan11:32-35) King North is world government, not Russia, Russia surrenders to world government to end the final sword stroke phase political conquest portion, and so will China surrender.

[QUOTE who=”Newtonian”]You think Israel is the 2 horned wild beast of Revelation 13 with the number 666?[/QUOTE]

Please read VERY carefully, Israel is a DECOY PROP TOOL to apply false prophecy to, to help sell world government credibility, which they too will just be a portion nation of. 666 is WORLD GOVERNMENT and its acceptance, all the big symbols, scarlet wildbeast, Dan2 image, King North, King of Fierce Countenance, 8th King are all COMPLETE WORLD GOVERNMENT.

[QUOTE who=”Newtonian”]Another weird belief – I will continue to respond to your posts after you respond to this post.

Meanwhile – back to current reality and the beliefs of various Muslims on Jihad or Holy War – next post.[/QUOTE]

King North is 8th King WORLD GOVERNMENT. All those preparatory pieces like Israel and Russia just fall in. But with now compromised JWs, God has another purpose for them, they do not get fully pawned, except for the JW org downfall of the temple judgment, timed and phased in Daniel 8:13-14,26. (Dan11:41 of the Daniel 11:41-43 sequence of Daniel 11)

This forecast is extended to UN 3.0 1990 as a prophecy already fulfilled (but silenced by Bethel), and in time world government 8th King as a UN 4th prophecy (Dan12:11; Dan11:44-45; Dan8:25; Rev17:8-18), connects to the 2 UN prophecies JWs already exposed in the “first witness”.

IT is in full agreement with everything Fred Franz has explained, except for Daniel 8 and Daniel 11 which has errors because the JW apostasy was not yet present and King North is 8th King development not USSR.

The goal is to complete what Fred would have done, had they not killed him, he did NOT die a natural death, and that guy could have lived to be 110.

See, the first two UN presentations of 1919 (Rev13:11-15; Dan12:11) and 1945 (Rev17:8-11) have been explained by JWs. BUT, that 1990 3rd UN presentation in NWO mode, is prophecy at Daniel 8:23, and Daniel 11:31b.


And as you know, JWs teach the error that “King North” is the failed USSR to fulfill Daniel 11:31 as the Nazi’s went down, which disagrees with Daniel 11:36c.

What needs to be done is UN1-2, MUST be connected to UN3-4, to be UN1-2-3-4, because the fourth UN event is world government, there are 4 UN prophecies, and JWs only explain 2 of them.

The “Illuminati” are Satan’s seed global enlighteners of the “two horned wildbeast” independent globalist wildbeast system in direct contact and origin from Satan. They lose some members in the 5th plague “its kingdom was DARKENED (loss of some key illuminati) by the hand of the 5th trumpet Destroyer, in the future.

And that is NOT to wipe out all the Illuminati (yet), but to delay their progress to release JWs from the coming seizure, to slow the world government development down to meet God’s final timeline, which just eventually REPEATS the 1260 days, but to world government this time. The 1260 days comes after the required 1150 days minimum, 2300 days probably, of Daniel 8:13-14,26.

That is the Revelation 9 release of Jehovah’s witnesses from the “abyss” darkness of the Daniel 8:13 “evening” phase of the temple judgment, which is what Betehl is now selling to JWs as the prematurely expected end of 2Thess2:1-2.

Revelation 9 “abyss” is opened by the Destroyer (he also hits the temple trespassers; Isa66:6; Hos1:4-7), who is Christ and his angels to purify the temple of all impostors and weeds (Zech3:1-5), and to ensure the final 1260 days warning eventually comes forth to expose the 3rd and 4th UN prophecies.

The JW first 1260 days was the exposure of the 1st UN prophecy, that led to Rutherford making sure for God that it also connected to the 2nd UN prophecy of 1945. (They killed Rutherford by radiation-induced cancer, in 1942, as they did to Knorr as well.) (Every WTBTS president including and up to Fred Franz, including Charles Russell (10/31/1916), were killed, none of them died naturally, and Fred Franz was the end of anointed input at now 100% apostate and impostor GB controlled Bethel)

But now for the “second witness”, (2520 days total, 1260 days X 2 witnesses), JWs must complete the 3rd and 4th UN prophecy explanations, after they are disciplined and cleansed.

It is far from “the end”.


[QUOTE who=”pcloadletter”]<quoted text>
Know nothing new?
I don’t think so.
Except, maybe, because as Solomon said, “There’s nothing new under the sun.”

After I studied the Bible with Jehovahs Witnesses, things that had appeared normal before, for example, watching my mother watch a PBS history /biography program about some
early presidents and her reverent attitude- obviously doing her best to commit details to memory, it struck me how religious about it she was and how unworthy were the objects of her reverence-the so-called history *and* the historians. Now I’m starting to have the same problem with ‘alternative’
news and info sources. I see it all emanating from the same source, a manipulative one that wants to “change times and law” and make everything into a dialectic, that has everyone as divided as possible.
<quoted text>
I don’t worship WTBTS/GB , but I don’t know why you call them apostate. I think apostasy started in earnest after the apostles’ deaths- as Apostle Paul warned (noticed on my own that 7or 8 people seem to have written the New Testament) and various facets have been firmly established as an alternative to the truth in the inspired writings for a long time . For me, JWs are the opposite of apostasy, continually removing apostasy’s accretions to the inspired word.

And I haven’t heard them say, “that the day of Jehovah is here”. If I’m remembering right, everybody will know that when it occurs anyway.?


I think I was talking about JW GB worship in general, I cannot tell who has fallen for the bait, and who has not. Good, and if you don’t worship the GB then you will disobey their “crazy as it may sound”commands come the big events of 2017.

DO NOT OBEY THE JW ORG, they are going to use it to send JWs direct to FEMA.

DANGER (Hence Matt24:15)

Pc, they joined the UN NGO, what more apostasy do you need? Pedophiles? Rackets? Cut throats on former Bethelites? Glory hounds? Prophecy concealers? Thieves of other people’s work like Fred Franz?

I DO NOT put Fred Franz in the same apostasy as this GB and the overall GB coup to lift themselves alone, over everyone.

There will be divine consequences, the JW org shall be destroyed, or darn near destroyed for this “transgression causing desolation” of Daniel 8:13. Then we shall see who JWs follow and worship.

JWs need to be fully tested, so far it aint looking too good. Do not confuse them 1914-1950 “first witness” JWs with the ones today, they are not the same. JWs have to expose UN 3 and 4, just like old school JWs exposed UN 1 and 2. Today’s JWs cannot try to ride the coattails of now long gone former faithful witnesses.

This is a new phase, the “second witness” phase. Modern JWs are in failure at this point, the GB is why.


[QUOTE who=”I_know_better_now “]<quoted text>

They sure do deny the graphics that’s for sure.

Yes. But all the globalist corporations use the same trick and people have a hard time seeing it because they hide it in pretty good.

But if you have worked at an ad agency or a magazine or with an Art Director (or just researched the print process of a big org), those graphics are not after thoughts in big professional productions, they are planned and directed. They have mock up phases, what you see is one of a few possibilities conceptualized beforehand.

The artist has to know what to hide in, and at least the Art Director with an artistic eye, will check the graphics, this kind of stuff is no accident or rogue artist, no way will a thing like this slip by a pro Art Directors, as Disney claimed on that Little Mermaid Penis Castle VHS cover. And WTBTS has a number of very good artists, and a number of styles this has been hidden in in, so it is not one artist, it is ALL of them. How can we have 5 different artists all hiding things in their art? They ahve to be guided is how.

Plus the project manager would also review the graphics with the article or book or whatever. And Bethel claims 70 people review this stuff.

Thus, the “Project Manager” and the Art Department heads, MUST all be in complicit operation to do this. It appears all of the Bethel admins are infiltrated by the enemy, because they hide stuff in the wordign as well.

It’s just the globalists marking their territory. When Destroyer pops in for the temple visit, they will wish they were somewhere else.

They are not getting away with it. God allows it for a greater eventual purpose. And now that God fully allowed them to trespass, they can expect Him to send in angels into their house as well. And since they will start to kill in the climax phase of this op, God will also start to kill some in their house too.

What goes around, comes around. That is how God gets rid of them from the temple, by force (Isa66:6), the rest will flee as fast as they can when they see this, in the footprints of their own urine. (Isa31:8-9; Hos1:7)

They can’t stay much longer, in the 1150 days ending they will meet the angel cleansing. As with the 185,000 Assyrians this same angel killed, some are spared to take the news back to camp King North. But, some will be turned to ash, so the ones who do flee with have a story to tell, and they are not going to put that story on CNN, but they will know it is all true, The Destroyer and his boys are back in town.

And them hooligans aint coming back in:

(Zechariah 9:8) . . .And I will encamp as an outpost for my house, so that there will be no one passing through and NO ONE RETURNING; and there will no more pass through them a taskmaster, for now I have seen [it] with my eyes.

And these guys in the “deep place” where even Satan avoids are why:

(Zechariah 1:8) . . .“I saw [in] the night, and, look! a man riding on a red horse, and he was standing still among the myrtle trees that were in the deep place; and behind him there were horses red, bright red, and white.”

Angels free the temple after the “evening” of Daniel 8:13-14,26 has run its temple judgment desolation course.

That will be the end of wieners hidden in the constant feature. God will roast their weenies. I mean ROAST. They will get the message before Destroyer pops in, and if they want, they can FLEE NOW, and live.

Most will not heed any warning, but only fire.


The red horses are killer temple angels, the speckles are the purifiers in a timed process (1150 days “morning” Dan8:14,26, as in it takes time to be whitened (Mal3:1-5; Zech3:!-5), the white is the purification angels symbol.

Angels are involved in delivering Jehovah’s witnesses from this trap, and if they did not come forth, which they will, they are already here waiting in the “deep place” around “Jerusalem”, JWs would be exterminated.

But NO ONE can get by an angel of God. Instead King North is going to get on in the balls so hard, they will let JWs go just like Pharoah. In time, they will get the fighting spirit back. (Rev13:5-7; Rev11:7)

That 8th King “sun” delay is the sign given to Hezekiah when God healed him (Isa36-38), and gave him 15 more years, the sign was the “sun’s” shadow was reversed “10” steps on the temple stairs. That is King North being delayed by Destroyer, so that this all meets God’s prophecy timing, not their rush job.

JWs will get 15 more years from recovery to full final warning completed, to the 1290 days in which Christ arrives for the global “sheep sweep” first in the process.

The three year sign of the destruction of the Assyrian siege attempt at Isaiah 37:30-32 is the “three days” of Hosea 6:1-3, the 1150 days 3.19 years of Daniel 8:14; It is the “sign of Jonah” and his judgment for ministerial negligence, three years temple desolation of JWs, no more.

(Isaiah 37:30-32) “‘And this will be the sign for you: There will be an eating this year of the growth from spilled kernels, and in the second year grain that shoots up of itself; but in the third year sow seed, you people, and reap, and plant vineyards and eat their fruitage. 31 And those who escape of the house of Judah, those who are left remaining, will certainly take root downward and produce fruitage upward. 32 For out of Jerusalem a remnant will go forth and those who escape out of Mount Zion. The very zeal of Jehovah of armies will do this.

Then the recovery for the final warning witness will emerge, backed by angels, so nothing can stop it until God allows it to be ceased (Dan12:11) into the Christ arrival of Revelation 11:7-13.

By then, of course, it is all done. Sheep sweep global and the Christ conquest is soon to follow, fully forewarned with great evidence.


[QUOTE who=”red blood relative”]<quoted text>



What do you think it means? LOL

See, Christianity has established rules for interpreting prophecy. Problem is, the rules change. With JWs the rules were set by Russell, to Rutherford to Fred Franz. Bethel is trying to change the rules, but the rules cannot change. So we will use JW rules to finish the prophecy forecast framework. (They are way ahead of any other Christian group as far as relatively modern prophecy is concerned, say since 1914 to UN 2.0, 1945 and Revelation’s first fulfillment (of 2), which is 100% accurate.

So, we will use the JW prophecy rule book completed by Fred Franz, and just complete the continuum and finalize the symbols to world government over a final world war cycle to come. (That is, btw, the same pattern as in 1914-1919; See how that “JW Rule” works so far?)

Up to the time of their prophecy studies, they started to establish rules, and a big part of the rules is the emanign of the big prophecy symbols. They became in agreement on the symbology of Revelation, which Fred Franz completed by 1969. (All that 1989 Revelation Grand Climax framework is from 1963 and 1969 [Babylon the Great Has Fallen] book, and [Then is Finished the Mystery of God] book, respectively.)

It is a framework that is based on rules of timing, formulaic patterns, the sequence of events, the symbology, and the ever important cross reference checking of all prophecy, especially Revelation and Daniel harmony. (See, for a prophecy to be validly explained as accurate, it MUST cross reference ALL other prophetic sequences and keep the order of events the same in all the sequences; You cannot have “glitches”, then you know it aint working correctly)

Now JWs have the correct patterned sequence for the most part, so we know what we are testing for, and what may need to be “massaged” into the correct final sequence in the more detailed areas of the big picture. (For example, BTG cannot “go down next”, they go down outlawed under complete World Government. But we can establish this by JW rules, even if they have broken their own rules in this area of the prophecy)

Christ Arrival Cross Reference

For example the Christ arrival is in Revelation 19:11-21, Matthew 24:29-31 and Revelation 11:11-12, and some others, but those are the big ones. (Rev6:12-17, just before Rev14, Rev16:17-20 and so on) It is all the same event, but as seen, the accounts add more information when taken as a whole, and Revelation 8-11 is a seven trumpet sequence that extends the events to precede the Christ arrival into a far grander precise framework.

We just test that final “seven trumpet” sequence, across the rest of the supporting prophecies, to arrive at the valid final sequence by much testing for glitches. If we have even one glitch, it don’t work. (This final forecast has no glitches, all provable by know JW rules, this can be proven, it is not “winging it”)

Thus we can take these elements in say the things that lead to and after the Christ arrival node, and cross reference other prophecies into that continuum, to derive more and more detail, and it all has to harmonize over say 10 or 20 supporting prophecies or more. And the thing is, it has to jive with the whole sequence (across all the prophecies), and it has to conform to the known Fred Franz prophecy rules, he was the main summarizing guide of modern reliable prophecy in Revelation.

Once we know where it starts: APOSTASY AT BETHEL, and ends: world government and Christ arrival, we can fill in the sequence from all the parts of prophecy. Because God designed this prophecy framework, when He helps, the whole thing ties together PERFECTLY, cross tested, no glitches, the big picture.

All I am doing is laying out the parts upon JW established prophecy rules, and finishing the forecast with post 1990 information on prophecy and modern global UN developments, apostasy and so on, that Fred Franz did not have access to. Once we stick to JW rules, and just extend the framework into 3rd UN 1990, Bethel UN apostasy, and on to world government UN 4, it all starts to jive and be in harmony as all prophecy actually ties together perfectly. God made it, of course there is a final interpretation that he guides, that is the correct comprehensive synopsis that meets the goal of describing the final global milestones that indicate the Christ arrival period of time, after world government completes.


That is how it is a prophecy that comes together as a final “divine forecast”. If it was not done by person A, person B will do it, if not person C and so on. It is not human, it is divine, but God purposes to propel the final warning out of the mouths of imperfect human anointed Christians, and from there all Jehovah’s witnesses and other people who can put it together too.

Of course at this point a novice to JW rules, cannot understand the game to the level required to produce this forecast in the first place, but they can catch on to how it works later. Meaning you gotta understand JW prophecy 100% to the point it is at, to see how this is the final forecast, and what glitches need to be removed. Apostate Bethel is who keeps the glitches in place, they are not JW prophecy experts, they are subverters with shallow understanding of it all, they aint no Fred Franz, lets put it that way.


That is why they need to be removed first (Isa66:6), when this starts to go active and global as Daniel 8:13-14 parallel of the first four trumpet temple judgment sequence.

There is the first claim of this forecast, you can verify on the rubble of the GB and Bethel, in the future.


[QUOTE who=”red blood relative”]<quoted text>

i see you were not able to discuss dan 8 ;10 -14……… because there is no jw temple that arrived in 1914 that is being cleansed………. the constant feature was removed, in dan 8.

dan 9; 27 and upon the wing of disgusting things there will be the one causing desolation, and until an extermination the very thing decided upon will go pouring out also upon the one lying desolate.

so, what would you like to discuss about 1914?…………. that a jw temple showed up because of rutherford’s BS numerology ?……… the bride is supposed to go upward and form the temple in heaven when the number is complete…..rev 7; 1….. rev 12; 5……… rev 14 ; 1…… rev 19; 1, 7

the only real temple that is going to show up, arrives when the earth passes away and the new heavens and the new earth show up and the new jerusalem comes down from heaven…. rev 21;2

lets see now……… ummm… jesus arrived in 1874-1878………. errrr wait, 1874 +40 years in the wilderness before israel entered the promised land = 1914
ok 1914 – 7 times [7x 360=2520] = 606 bc…………. so, now you pretend thats when the prophecy started, and you explain you are really really wise cause its DIVINE NUMEROLOGY.

then you invent a temple on earth, that is supposed to form in heaven, and tell everyone they must obey you or die now. ………. gosh, the jw false prophet game is soooo fun!!!!



This is a good example what kind of “interpretations” can be spun when there are no rules or benchmarks.

Anyone can do that. The real one will be fully 100% defensible, and its first ebnchmark will be the 3 year 1150 day desolation of the modern apostate JW “temple” of anointed apostasy, “those leaving the holy covenant” of Daniel 11:30b.

The final continuum will begin there, that is the Revelation 8:3-5 temple judgment parallel to llom for, and its timing will even convince some skeptics the final cycle has begun by that event and timign of Daniel 8:13-14.

Your problem is not being able to ID the modern temple meaning and “location”.

Thus, you have no benchmark, thus you produce the hodge podge of pieces strewn about that has no meaning overall, it fits no pattern, it is just puzzle pieces but no “big picture”, because you have no “picture on the box” to go by.

It starts with JWs, the same place the modern apostasy is now terminal within. The focus will stay on JWs regardless of “lawless one” apostasy, where it should remain.

So when the final forecast is finally ascertained by cleansed witnesses, it will be in the same place it began in the post 1914 modern era.

And the final warnign will proceed from there (Rev 8, to Rev9, to Rev10, to Rev11:3), but there will be a few million Jehovah’s witnesses by that time also speaking this same forecast; you can check back in a few years and see if that aint the truth.


Because this final forecast can make that claim well before it all unfolds, it will stand to reason and to probability that the rest of this forecast will is also be true, and will continue to unfold as specified in the prophecy. (Rev10:5-11, to completion)

JW temple judgment of Daniel 8:13-14, parallel Revelation 8:3-5, parallel Zechariah 3:1-5 parallel Malachi 3:1-5 is the big event that starts it and kicks it all off. (1Pet4:17)

Of course, the final forecast had to come out BEFORE this all happens, so it can be verified by the events it forecasts in the prophecy as and after they complete Daniel 8:13-14.

The “right condition” is aided by Jehovah’s witnesses then having a truthful, complete and accurate forecast “ready to go” to complete the “second witness” final warning with an event on their own house which self-disclosing global confession will be far more convincing than any external source can provide.

This means Jehovah’s witnesses will be the revealers of their own final forecast, once they admit the apostasy had begun with the defection of UN NGO Bethel. From there the rest of the dominoes will proceed with the forecast being made public by a bunch of recovered Jehovah’s witnesses, live and real-time toward world government and the Christ arrival it shall trigger. (Rev9-11:1-13)

That way an active accuarte final warning can proceed both world government and the Christ arrival it is to trigger, hence the “seven trumpets” continuum to completion.


Hebrews 1 and 2 is the official answer for when the Jews asked this exact same question. What makes this particular angel so darn special Paul?

Hebrews 1 and 2 tells us how that angel, became God’s Son as Immortal God, just like his father, but above the other angels now.

Most people take Hebrews 1 for granted, or try to say Michael is NOT the “which one of the angels did God ever say?” answer, it is Michael.

But to the Jews who were not misled by non-existent at that timeChristendom philosophies and who knew this angel up close and personal from the Exodus onward, they were very very curious how this one angel could become a Mighty God, made such and titled such by Almighty God Himself.

So God answered the question in Hebrews as a whole book. Then the Jews who had faith, could see why Michael was so special in Gods purpose and angelic arrangement and family.

When the Jews asked these questions, they were thinking about Michael the “great prince” and Arch Angel, that is the most ancient of the angels before he became chief angel, for he was the only angel at one time. But his immortal rebirth was a new form of Sonship, as Immortal Mighty God with life in himself, too, just like Almighty God.

Thus, the Jews and modern misled Christians used Hebrews 1 for different purposes, and they asked the question concerning the Deliverance Angel of Israel (Isa63:9), from a far different perspective than Jesus-worshiping Christendom. The Jews knew Michael since Daniel’s prophecy, and that hew as also “the Destroyer” who sent forth the plagues from God on Egypt, and had few other “disciplinarian” interactions with wayward Jews and Gentiles. (In other words, the same angel as in Rev9 named in Hebrew and Greek because he deals with both Jews and Gentile transgressors)

The Jews wanted to know how that angel, became the Mighty God and Immortal Son of God; hence the book of Hebrews, it starts off answering the Michael question, and proceeds from there into the rest of the details concerning him as Jesus Christ, one and the same angelic originating person.

The Jews had no problem understanding Jesus Christ was Michael in Heaven, the big “Number One” Angel. Be first and foremost, his Angel title and original being should be capitalized, e.g. Arch Angel.

7th King (King South system) Downfall Coming

(Daniel 11:42-43) And he will keep thrusting out his hand against the lands; and as regards the land of Egypt, she will not prove to be an escapee. 43 And he will actually rule over the hidden treasures of the gold and the silver and over all the desirable things of Egypt.

Now what to understand from the “Egypt” symbol is it is where “King South” began. It is a symbol of the nation-state system as a whole, whose dominant system is the “7th head” of the Revelation 13 “wildbeast from the sea” that is the Anglo-American NATIONAL governmental system.

But with modern research, we know there is a more powerful development that promotes the globalization of all these national governmental parts, that is the GLOBALISTS. King North is a GLOBALIST system forming global overlord who controls all global finance which drives everything else, such as enormous national debt.

Thus “Egypt” is pawned by King North here:

(Daniel 11:42-43) And he (8th King/King North) will keep thrusting out his hand against the (national) lands; and as regards the land of Egypt (collective national powers; King South “capital”), she (feminized King South) will not prove to be an escapee. (captured by globalist power intrigues of first a financial nature:)

43 And he (King North/8th King) will actually rule over the hidden treasures (globally) of the gold and the silver and over all the desirable things of Egypt. (Thus 8th King/King North rules the world wealth, wealth system and all “desirable things” of collective global national “Egypt” “King South” powers in full globalist progressive ownership);

Symbology of a Black and Woman US President

And if we notice, Egypt “King South” is termed as a “she” in Daniel 11:42, that is a symbol of subservience in the Bible, in this case subservience to the King North GLOBALISTS. King South, in essence, becomes King North’s “Queen South”, pawned and in control 100%.

Just as a black president is, in the hidden elite meaning, a symbol of US NATIONAL “slavery” to the ELITE GLOBALISTS of King North, a female president would complete the symbology of subservience. Not that any Daniel “king” is a person though some mark the reign, but a global collective, Hillary Clinton as a female “she” president would complete the symbology of complete US subservience to King North already forming in the “slave president” African Obama symbol. (England’s “Queen” is the symbol of England’s subservience to their King North owners who originate in the Anglo ELITE system)

Since King North’s locus of GLOBALIST power is the Anglo-American ELITE system “two horned wildbeast” (an independent “wildbeast” system of great power), they place all US presidents to serve their agenda. There is no real “election”, they put into office whoever they choose and who must serve their agenda. When a president rebels, they end up like JF Kennedy.

I am posting this to explain the symbology a woman US president would complete, but it is not necessary in the prophecy for the “Egypt” NATION-STATE system is going to be pawned by King North, regardless. All of the King South NATIONAL SYSTEM visible and “hidden treasures”, all of its gold andsilver, and all of its “desirable things” will be taken over by King North GLOBALISTS by financial means or military mean as the last resort, to complete world government.

Given the enormity of the debt meltdown coming for the US and EU NATIONAL “King South” systems, and Russia’s and China’s dependence on that US/EU system, and the Middle East oil King North will also soon control 100%, it is easy to see massive debt is how the US and EU NATIONAL SYSTEMS will be pawned by King North GLOBALISTS.

Daniel 11:42-43 is a prophecy achieved by financial means, as King North then controls the global silver and gold bullion 100%, in time.

From that total control and already dominant financial system control, the world government “new world financial system” can then be erected as controlled by 8th King/King North World Government as its financial branch, but at global scale. THAT is what Daniel 11:42-43 is about, plain as day, perhaps the most explicit and literal prophecy in all the Bible, to aid its understanding after it fulfills in this coming global-crash cycle.

By international law, King North GLOBALISTS will become the new owners when world government bails out the nations (Rev13:3; Isa41), because the nations can no longer bail themselves out, and the GLOBALIST King North banking and finance system is who will pawn the US and EU “Egypt” and the global NATION-STATE domain “land of Egypt”.

To know more details of the NATION-STATE “King South” downfall into King North GLOBALIST control read Isaiah 19, and Ezekiel 29-32. King South falling is the same as the fall of the 7th King.

7th King Downfall – Isaiah’s and Ezekiel’s Prophecy – “Egypt” Pronouncements as Modern Nation-State System Parallels in the Final Tribulation Cycle


[QUOTE who=”imagoodboy”]<quoted text>

In other words you have no idea!


LOL, good try. EVERYONE has ideas, that is the problem. LOL

I can’t get into this unless I see something to elaborate on that others can use.

You get stuck on certain definitions as if Jesus is still a human being.

There was a purpose to him being a human being. At that time, he was “a little lower than the angels”, although still the Commander in Chief of them all, though a man, of course they respect Michael no matter what form he may be in.

Jesus Christ human mission is now complete, and he aint no human Son of God any longer, though that blood and DNA “body” is in God’s possession to restore all mankind and all creation into, in Matthew 19:28 time.

All angels of Sons of God, the Micheal Re-Birth was a new kind of Son, an Immortal like God. No one can kill Michael or Christ again.

Pauls’ commentary was for Jews first, who were very curious about their leading Angelic Prince and what he was up to since he became man, completed mission, and returned as a real God Immortal.

They point is, obedience to God has its benefits, no matter as angel of man, an Immortal cannot turn aside from obedience to God, they become one in will, purpose and spirit, like Michael the Immortal Christ of God.

All your tales do is attempt keep man retarded and unprogressive in understanding of the Christ in all his roles. But, the truth keeps advancing in spite of those who resist it on a regular basis.

Some are not satisfied with your stalled mythologies. You paste a lot of Bible in it, but it is a coma recipe.

We have to keep progressing WITH Michael. He is not static like you try to make him out to be, and he will respond to your resistance in time. You are screwing with the wrong guy, is all I got to say, every angel is now involved. (Except the demons who inspire you, you still gots some friends out there, as impotent as they are compared to Mike’s angels)

All the angels got an upgrade with Michael, not Immortals, but more powerful than they were before he left home. (Meanign Gabriel can now take the “Prince of Persia”) The point is obedience to God has benefits and reward in time. Many of Michaels angels can kick Satan’s arse, lets put it that way, but Michael is his destroyer.

They’re getting more nervous about this time in the whole continuum to abyss and then destruction.


The Rise and Fall of JWorg

The Rise and Fall of JW.org

Although I obey Matthew 24:15 and left the JW org due to disastrous judgement coming on that UN-NGO “disgustign thing” apostasy (Dan8:13-14), this BP brother can not quite separate himself from a known evil and apostate ministry, or advise JWs to flee the JWorg as per Matthew 24:15.

None the less, this articles is pretty good.

I really hope this brother starts to become a greater realist and stop trying to live in denial that horrendous disaster is what not brewign for the JW org apostates, and yes it will be of “Prophetic Proportions”.

This brother sees a lot, but can’t quite connect the final DISASTER DOT of the true magnitude that this JW org downfall cycle is sure to become. (Dan8:13; Dan11:41)


Looks like apostate Bethel is forecasting that the “good news” can now be changed to “bad news”.

WT quote (WT 07/15/2015, pg. 16, par. 9):

9 This will not be the time to preach the “good news of the Kingdom.” That time will have passed. The time for “the end” will have come! (Matthew 24:14) No doubt God’s people will proclaim a hard-hitting judgment message. This may well involve a declaration announcing that Satan’s wicked world is about to come to its complete end.

So, will JWs have “it’s the end” signs?

Will JW literature carts now have a slip in sign saying “its the end of the world!”?

It sure looks that way.

So for this final failed “end ” prediction, I guess they are setting up JWs to become the global laughing stock of all time, when the only thing coming to an end is the apostate JW org.

This will be about all some people will be able to take. But looks like JWs will have to carry their “it’s the end of the world” signs around, or you know, be cast to Gehenna by the GB Papal Bul.

This is really brewing up to be a true comedic tragedy, it has a little King North humor mized in as JWs become the butt of this final joke.

But we were warned about fakes and their “its the end” scare hype to distract minds from their own apostasy:

(2 Thessalonians 2:1-2) . . .However, brothers, respecting the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we request of YOU 2 not to be quickly shaken from YOUR reason nor to be excited either through an inspired expression or through a verbal message or through a letter as though from us, to the effect that the day of Jehovah is here.

No wonder testing fraud “apostles” was the first commendation Christ ever gave:

(Revelation 2:2) 2 ‘I know your deeds, and your labor and endurance, and that you cannot bear bad men, and that you put those to the test who say they are apostles, but they are not, and you found them liars.

Bethel is chock full of “bad men”.

Matthew 24:15

It is time literally FLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE the JW org!

(Matthew 24:15-16) “Therefore, when you catch sight of the

(UN NGO; Dan11:31)

disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken of through Daniel the prophet

(modern Dan11:31 “disgusting thing that causes desolation” as parallel of Dan8:13 “transgression causing desolation”),

standing in a holy place

(in the JW “constant feature” “temple” ministry as UN NGO),

(let the reader use discernment,)

16 then let those in Judea begin fleeing to the mountains.

(Because the JW Bethel desolation judgment for that UN NGO “transgression causing desolation” is near; 1Pet4:17; Dan8:13-14; Rev8:3-5);


[QUOTE who=”Lordylordy9111″]Foreign Minister and NATO member, Frank-Walter Steinmeiers criticized NATO for having a bellicose policy towards Russia, describing it as “warmongering”, the German daily Bild reported. And just like that, the entire ficitional narrative of “innocent” NATO merely reacting to evil Russian provcations has gone up in flames.

NATOÂ’s Article V policy allows NATO to start war and attack Russia in subject to cyber attacks.

NATO’s assessment that it may now have grounds to {{attack Russia}} when it announced that if a {{{{NATO member country becomes the victim of a cyber attack}}}} by persons in a non-NATO country such as Russia or China, then NATOÂ’s Article V “collective defense” provision requires each NATO member country to join that NATO member country if it decides to strike back against the attacking country.


Cyber Attacks are great for false-flags. They can say the attack came from anywhere they want, and no one can prove it one way or the other because no one has access to the network but the NATO Cyber War top dogs.

But Russia has to play into the final world war scenario for a number of reasons. One of those reasons is for Bethel to sell Russia as King North continuation, so JWs will think it is the attack of Daniel 11:44, rather than the Bethel invasion of Daniel 11:41.

So when they come to down JW org, the GB will have a few “aces up their sleeve” to make JWs believe they are predicting true prophecy. But Daniel 11:44 is several years in the future, and Russia is no “King North”, the GLOBALIST SYSTEM is King North.

JWs are totally fooled, because apostate-Bethel never has updated Daniel 11, nor will they. Placing JWs to expect Daniel 11:44 “attack” of “King North” next, just makes JWs further believe in error the “end” of Daniel 11:45 must be next.

But it is an over-advancement to support a premature “end of the world” HOAX on JWs. Its a FAKE “Armageddon” HOAX setting up. And JWs are the target. (Dan8:13-14)


The basis of government in the human world is to control people. Laws are devised to enforce control of people, land, etc.

That is the basis of human “govern” “men”, government.

Problem is, people cannot be controlled.

Thus, the project is futile:

(Habakkuk 2:12-14) . . .“‘Woe to the one that is building a city by bloodshed, and that has solidly established a town by unrighteousness! 13 Look! Is it not from Jehovah of armies that peoples will toil on only for the fire, and that national groups will tire themselves out merely for nothing? 14 For the earth will be filled with the knowing of the glory of Jehovah as the waters themselves cover over [the] sea.

And even when a government can assume control of some of the people, it is to mislead them to murder for state profits.

In time, God will set up a Kingdom that cannot be brought to ruin. A first step is the absolute removal of uncontrollable people. Obedience to God’s laws is a form of self-control, with benefits such as everlasting life.

Those who can agree to control of ourselves, can be spared. But as with human governments, the removal of uncontrollable elements is the only solution, on up to Satan.

It is what it is. Except human government is full of uncontrollable power mongers, so they get the chance to repent, if not they get wiped off of earth by Christ.

That is what the human world government experiment will lead to. It is a set of purge cycles of those disobedient to God, all the way up to Satan and the demons.

There is no other way.

[QUOTE who=”Matt9969″]It’s funny how there are a few folks on here who will defend the jehovahs witnesses and the governing body and the wtbts to their very death. Will insult God and xjw’s and non jw’s on the behalf of the governing body and the wtbts……yet they say they are not jw’s.

What’s wrong, are they ashamed to be a jw and don’t want to admit it? Or are enjoying living a worldly lifestyle thinking if they defend the jw’s God will spare them?[/QUOTE]

Being God’s witness is not a manmade club like JWs. It is what you do. So one does not require a “middle man” other than Jesus Christ, so the JW org need not apply, I fired them anyways.

But contrary to the broad brush of fools, it does not mean the entire JW testimony is one big error due to some men who budded in 1976, to start to call the Board of Directors by some fuzzy “Governing Body” title (in 1971).

In fact, IF Jehovah’s witnesses have an important and threatening truth, depnding on the audience, then the enemy system WILL try to subvert it, discredit it, and cease it.

And what better place than to work from within, where the leaders of what has been reduced to a GB Cult, are the worst reproachers of them ALL?

The Governing Body has no authority in God’sTemple than a dog turd up at your local park. And like a dog turd, God will bag and dispose of them too.

They are REPROACHERS, ILLEGAL, APOSTATES and IMPOSTORS who Reign of Error is coming to an end.

Some people are ashamed to be associated with such a cabal of criminal hypocrites, that is true.

But “Jehovah’s WITNESS” is a task from God, not a monopoly of some renegade golden calf “religion”. To prove this, JW organization will now be destroyed by God, by use of secular legal authorities for real criminal activity. (Dan8:13-14)

And that will be what the GB has given birth to in the soon-to-be aborted JW ministry. They will also be destroyed by God, and later fully exposed for what they really were.

JWs have placed a curse on their system, by their own hands. Only the GB can be blamed as the root cause of it all.

You can kiss the JW org goodbye. It has sinned against God Himself, ti aint going to be pretty.

There are times a being has to change forms, where the old form “dies” and the new form “lives”. Since God guides this process of “transference” it is a divine kill. No biggie, it is required to complete mission.

But because the kill word has some emotional feelings attached with it, and God generally kills wicked beings, people have a difficult time thinking of a “kill” being required to complete a mission, and couple of which required a change in the beings form before and after the mission is completed.

Like when God “took” Moses, he killed him. But it was not a condemnation, it was just to “fast track” Moses to the real “promised land” in Christ’s 1000 year reign active right here on Planet Earth.

See, Moses was allowed to bypass all the Israel headaches that followed in the Promised Land. God just said why put Moses through even more renegade Jew headaches right?

In the big picture, Moses wakes up perfect, and ready to see the Christ reign in a far more optimized context. So was that “kill” all that bad after all? No, it was just a delayed “transference”. Michael obviously “emptied himself” of something, to become a human being from a nearly microscopic conception. You can’t stuff the life power system of the real Michael in no woman’s womb, geeez, the whole region could not handle the power that was in Michael. I mean Satan pisses his pants when Michael comes around, that ain’t no regular style angel.

Transferring the basic life to human form means Michael had to “die” to heaven and the angelic form of being. To get back in to heaven he had to “die” to human being existence on earth. Very simple.

What’s the big deal?

Makes sense, can’t be two people at the same time you know.


[QUOTE who=”pcloadletter”]<quoted text> I beg to differ with what you say about WTBTS and the troll/ mods who INSTANTLY changed the link to the Daily Mail story about the “horrific vietnamese abattoir where they bludgeon
laustralian live export cattle to death and the video of one collapsing in terror before even struck, after witnessing what happened to it’s mates” And then whoever was on their prissy little duty at the time, shadow banned a bunch of other things where I tried to fix the link. I noticed you were “on duty”, for instance.


Aint me. God will soon speak for the dog pound itself, and it is a slaughter of those who oppress life on Earth. God will roar for the abuse of his creation, and when he does the enmy is who will collapse from the fear.

I back the Kingdom forces in another more advanced form to come that will carry out this vengeance. Google’s computers are all to be fired at that time, it will be real war with God.

No Topix troll is going to foretell the divine destruction of all their data as the cloud is vaporized in a few seconds come the day. But that is what it will be.

They might filter graphic content, I do not know. What I do know is God has seen and felt it all, and he will be in a mod where he shall vent what is required on these kinds of people. It’s why I joined. Animals seem to mean more to me than humans, I will speak honestly. I am in this for their eternal welfare, and it will be granted, I’m dying to get in.

Dogs and cats have been far greater friends than anyone I have known, except my own mother. It is what it is, ain’t leaving them in the grave, nor without their due vengeance on their oppressors, including smashing Satan’s head to complete the mission.

It’s just a matter of time. It aint going to be pretty when these tables turn in time.

I have seen enough, personally. Its coming.


[QUOTE who=” True Christian witness”]As Jehovah’s witness, I don’t have to account to anyone except the congregation elders, that is what Jesus taught the early Christians, just because some choose to reject the shepherds direction for whatever reason, that is their choice.
Acts 20:28
John 21:17

King Jesus is only concerned with each of his earthly subjects heart condition, he only wants peace and happiness for his sheep, only those who are in Jehovah God’s protected global fold, for survival of the end of this world.
The spiritual ark, the only place of safety today.
Proverbs 18:10

The dogs are outside, with the trash.[/QUOTE]

But as per Daniel 8:12 and Daniel 11:32a, a few wolves slipped into Bethel’s leadership position to lead Jehovah’s witnesses somewhere else. (John10; Zech11)

It is much easier to destroy the JW org, and cancel the JW ministry by internal aid (Dan11:41), and to cloak it all in valid prophecy misapplied and out of order to fool JWs by use of misarranged truth and deranged leaders working lawlessness in global manner for the Devil.

That is what happened to JWs, very gradually as described in Daniel 8:12.

(Daniel 8:11-12) And all the way to the Prince of the army it put on great airs, and from him the constant [feature] was taken away, and the established place of his sanctuary was thrown down. 12 And an army itself was gradually given over, together with the constant [feature], because of transgression; and it kept throwing truth to the earth, and it acted and had success.

That “throw truth to the earth” is what the GB does, by saying they are keeping it simple, but they are keeping all modern prophecy updates silent is what they are doing.

To anyone with a little spirituality, it is obvious the GB is the wolfpack of criminal activity “in the temple”, and that they are actors and stalling on purpose.

They gotta go soon. (Isa66:6; Matt22:1-14; Dan8:13-14; Zech3:4-5)

They are the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses “BEFOULING”. (Zech3:1-3) They lead the final signal apostasy of our time. (Dan11:32a)

It IS what it IS.


The whole GB “taboo” about NOT confronting controversial topics on their apostasy, that is apostate Bethel, is to keep JWs:



It is cowardly as well.

But teh GB goal is even now being revealed:

1. Destroy the JW org.

2. Bankrupt JWs

3. Cancel the minsitry

4. Pied Piper command JWs to capture.

Thus keeping JWs off the 2 billion person digitalChinaX2, is to help KILL THE JW MINISTRY on this enormous new territory.

Creating lawless scandals to be broadcast, INSTEAD, on-line is thie evil GB goal as well; they provide the dirt, the externals tell people who to stumble and doubt JWs.

It is called a GLOBAL JW DISCREDITING CAMPAIGN, and it is led by the so-called “Governing Body of Jehocah’s witness”, one dead carcass of a cabal of CEO level criminals.

How do we know that is the truth? (other than Daniel 8:12 and Daniel 11:32a?)

Because that is exactly what we are plainly seeing.

The GB is JWs own worst enemy, placed there with a JW golden calf blessing, kept there by much “smooth words” (Dan11:32a) and denial.

And while this is happening, JWs avoid this 2 billion+ person latest global territory called the Web.


Now get ready to see then destroy the JW org, bankrupt it and cancel the JW ministry with an “it is the end of the world” total joke of a JW “hard-hitting judgment message” that should read:


It will be Daniel 8:13-14 which timing, events and phasing YOU can plainly verify later, if you want.

JW ORG is all that “ends soon”. The GB apostasy is why it is all destroyed as one. (The JW org may revive, but ti will be nearly penniless. They may keep a van and a printer and a couple laptops, if that.)

The rest is going to “King North”, JWs new master at this time. (Globalist intel and financial sector)


A very interesting development awaits. Although it cannot be “the end” yet, since they ahve not completed “scarlet wildbeast” world government, yet, it will make many people have doubts.

And I do not mean doubts about JWs, but doubts about their own standing.

See, when the SHTF this is going to be the “tribulation of those days”, it is going to be HUGE, and it will have a peak period of a few years, when many people will think “doomsday” has arrived.

Some people will start to think, “hey, maybe JWs were correct!”, because it will look like “the end”, it will look “as though slaughtered to death” (Rev13:3), BUT it will not actually be that in the end. It will heal into world government, to form great global wildbeast admiration. It is a ruse.

But in the meantime, JWs and XJWs will be faced with uncertainty in different ways. JWs will think it is an end, though it will not be the end but of the JW org. People who fell out or Matthew 24:15 excused themselves, may start to be thinking of “going back”, because this period will look ominous.

But don’t go back, hope in God, it is temple judgment that comes on the JW org and Jehovah’s witnesses first. (1Pet4:17) And given the magnitude of UN-NGO-Bethel, GB and JW sins, you do NOT want to be within miles of ANYTHING JW. (Dan8:13-14)

Hence Matthew 24:15. FLEEE the JW org, and stay fled!

Don’t get scared back into that death-trap. (Zech11) The time of reaping what has really been sown, will have come.


[QUOTE who=”Lordylordy9111″]****Why Does It Look Like The U.S. Is Rescuing ISIS?****

The ongoing war in Syria may see some escalation soon. A report that 51 State Dept. employees (out of 13,000 foreign service officers) signed a memo urging President Obama to change his focus in Syria from fighting ISIS to fighting the secular Assad government has caused quite a stir.

Judging has been excited by the judgment knowledge. But it is used for the wrong purpose, to keep his own fantasy in tact and unthreatened. It is just part of the fantasy that he is some valid judge. The judgments excuse him to his own addictions reinforcing the air of the fantasy. The FANTASY is the priority, it is fueled by the objects of addiction which are fantasies in media. Now if “Super Man” is the zenith of the fantasy, what will it cause? Super Fantasy.


This is brilliant flipflop. Many new Assad was the main target of the US, and ISIS is the tool. But to now just flip and say so, is quite a tricky ploy to disclose what must be the original goal, and “gitterdone”.

This is one more step to getting the threats to Russia notched up a bit. Once it gets down to more than 70% oil control, that is IRAN in the scopes, Russia will have to react, imo.

They are ringing the Levant, they are sealing up the Mediterranean before going full blown with Russia. It is heading that way.

The “solution” to a bottomed out Western economic phase this bad, has always been a world war fix. World war is the “cure” in these guys formula. And this gravy train takes all the 70% control ratios to 90%. Once at 90% it is as good as 100%, the rest will just fall in naturally.

During this final world war cycle:

+/-70% oil control will go to 100%
+/-70% military control will go to 100%
+/-70% global financial control will go to 100%
+/-70& nation-state government control will go to 100%
+/-70% gold control will go to 100%
+/-70% earthly control will go to 100%

And so on.

100% control is called globalized world government, for real.

[QUOTE who=”imagoodboy”]<quoted text>

Lols !

Trying to force an answer that is self explanatory!

When did I ** EVER ** call you an IDIOT?

Can you remember? Where is that post IF you know?

lols !!!


Sorry man, I am the dog who watches you chase your tail, I can no longer join your downward spin and also chase it with you.

But I can watch.

“EVER” is still a time when God did such a thing. It is a trick question for Michael’s relatives walking around down here before final upload upon final warning mission completion. (Rev11:7-12)

Everyone is here walking around down here on Earth now. Satan’s seed and the woman’s seed, waiting for game day, everyone is here getting ready. You will know when the prelude to game day begins.

There is a ral war between the evil and the good that plays out here oin Earth, in case you aint figured that out yet.

Chasing tail is why you can’t make the progress you should be able to make. Now it is going to get even more complicated for those already behind the 8 ball.

Revelation 1:1

You will know when this final layer of concrete is being poured. This war between evil and good is about to go into full blown mode. (Dan8:13-14 (Rev8-9); Rev10-11)

It takes a number of years, so you got time to stop chasing your tail, it aint getting you anywhere fast.


1. JW org is to be sacked.

2. So they are setting up JWs to think that is “the end” starting, but it aint.

3. JWs will be bankrupted, and cancelled at global concerted scale. They will be clueless for 1150 days. (Dan8:13-14)

Lets boil this down to the basic facts.

If people are interested in the apostate JW scandal PHASE, they will get even more interested in the JW desolation PHASE.

The purpose, as bad as it may get for JWs, is to keep the global focus on them, and the eventual recovery PHASE (?Dan8:14 “morning”; Dan8:26) to the final warning PHASE.

This was the prophecy that made Daniel “sick for days”. (Dan8:27) You will soon know why that was so.


[QUOTE who=”red blood relative”]

that is the great tribulation………… islam is coming to wipe out christianity[/QUOTE]

You poor sucker. That is all just a play, so the Christian Crusade wipes out Isalm instead, to hoist world government up with Israel as if “God’s Kingdom prevails everyone!”.

First off, Islam is armed by western MIC.

Secndly they are not even 10% global war potential.

They are like a poodle versus the 700 pound hungry NATO Lion in his prime, who is 4 times BIGGER than Russia and China’s military MIC COMBINED.

They will all get on knee to Global NATO, World Government Warlordship Department.

Islam goes down with the Middle east into King.North control, aka, World Government. They don’t stand a chance in the long run.

In the meantime, they will be immigrated into the US and EU to destablize the antion-state systems, so NATO will have to come into the US and EU to get rid of them, door to door, so NATO can be invited into the US and EU to complete the King.North invasion.

Get it?

Very simple.


[QUOTE who=”Lordylordy9111″]<quoted text>

It’s about world domination. I have heard the US government is activating the fema corps and calling personal into the CDC. Not sure how much truth there is to it but it sounds like the government is going into an orgie of madness of some kind. Getting 51 government diplomats to sign a petition to kill Assad to have full range control to remove ISIS and they sent thousands of troops and mercenaries into six different countries on the Russian borders. This is serious. Obama/Clinton want war for more money. Like two dogs after steak when its not their kitchen nor is it their meal. They have gold fever and madness in their brains. I keep asking what is wrong with them, they are killing innocent people, families, children. I keep seeing they are insane. They are seeing their problems go away by the blood of innocent people and it doesn’t bother them. This means they have the madness of power. They look insane if you ask me.

***Fema Activate Entire Civilian Corps – Something Big Is Coming***

Fema Activate Entire Civilian Corps – Something Big Is Coming

Posted on June 20, 2016 by Sean Adl-Tabatabai in Conspiracies // 3 Comments
FEMA activate civilian corps, indicating that something big is about to occur

An anonymous FEMA insider has come forward saying that FEMA have activated their secretive Civilian Corps last week, indicating a huge false flag is about to occur.

Fema Activate Entire Civilian Corps – Something Big Is Coming

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Its like Stratego.

1. First, cut off Iran from all Mediterranean and Gulf supply chains. (That si what Syria’s geo-location is, cutting off Iran.)

2. Then, go for Iran after Syria.

3. And that will provoke Russia, we got another world war. There will probably be more to it, but Irsan is the Middle East sitting duck target.

When Iran goes down, it is all NATO oil controlled Middle East, by GCC, Gulf Cooperation Council proxy ruled. That is the Kingdom of Saudi Satanists NATO-proxy-GCC, they aint Islamic, they are old school Satanists, with their globalist pals.

Assad stands in the way, in a different way, but just like Sadam, Libya Egypt and so on. ALL OF THEM will be King.North pawned in time, even Russia. They will do the same with Russia and China as with the US and EU, they will unleash the civil unrest on the nation-state system, for the big NATO rescue campaign.

NATO is just too huge, to be defeated. It is all just overwhleming application of superior force, at a scale hitherto unimagined in military geo-politics.

The globalist know military might is second pillar with financial might, it assures the hold outs will eb taken, they are well prepared for Russia and China and the other small fries they are going to grill in this final world war.

NATO goes into space, outer space and cyber space as well, they are right now in android form right over Beijing and Moscows heads, just a hundred miles up there with full precision energy application ability.

They can do to Moscow what they did to WTC, trun it into dust, if they don’t surrender fast, when that time comes. Same with Beijing. Satan will also be fightign with Global NATO, it is his backed entity of world government global military.

As per the NATO map, Russia will help contain EU, China will take the Pacific once they also join NATO in the “world peace and security” phase of world government going global. (1Thess5:1-3)

Each big NATO power core is distributed globally in 6 regions. That si why Russia and China have their own giant regions to be applied to for Global NATO when it truly Goes GLOBAL, to end that world war. (Rev13:3; Rev17:8-13)


[QUOTE who=”Lordylordy9111″]

An anonymous FEMA insider has come forward saying that FEMA have activated their secretive Civilian Corps last week, indicating a huge false flag is about to occur.

Fema Activate Entire Civilian Corps – Something Big Is Coming

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Stay in the bush. The “quail” that fly out with signs, guns and bull horns will be captured and shot first.

Keep your cool, and lay low. Do not get spooked into the FEMA trap by any emotional means. Stay put. It will pass.

Of course, do NOT go to any of them “JW bunker’ DEATH-TRAPS. FEMA knows where all them “safe houses” will be, via the evil GB “son of destruction” betrayers. (Matt24:15)


Watchin’ the IDIOT pour coffee.

Next day, can you recall this time? This is ridiculous. Suckin’ thumb, playing with balls, glued to hours of utube. I gotta get out of here.

[QUOTE who=”FutureMan”]<quoted text>

Welcome to the world of “artificial intelligence”, meanwhile back at the ranch………………


Well, at least they have not started to put words into other people’s posts yet. The internet is the final “frontier” of open information that also has to be monopolized and fully controlled in time by the globalists.

Once the internet is taken, the Final Dark Age will begin. Enjoy it while it lasts. It is too commercially important, it will remain, they will take it over by censorship. Kiss goodbye to all them Alex Jones videos, and the like, all that will be swept away.

This crash coming up to world war, is just the “crack down” phase accelerator phase to end the free internet as well, as people knew it.


[QUOTE who=”red blood relative”]<quoted text>

now you are trying to convince everyone that jws haven’t been claiming the destruction of all religions since 1914-1919 !!!!!!……….. errr, babylon has fallen, already!!!!!!

….. and also that ww3 = armageddon is not what jws scare everyone with !!!!………… and i am dreaming it up, and that its all nonsense that i am dreaming up cause i fell for the ww3 nonsense and am promoting it.

…………….. meanwhile you are inventing BUNKER videos…….

do you realize you are a lying snake ?[/QUOTE]

In reality, since even before 1914 Jehovah’s witnesses have laid out a logical, historical and prophetic map of the events that lead to world government, the eventual full destruction of the corporate religious complex who is “harlot” that that complete “scarlet wildbeast” which is more than the UN when this all completes over a devastation cycle called the “tribulation of those days”.

World War 1, called such once the noticed the needed to number them cycles of global war, was just a snapshot of the final cycle of world war on the way. And as with the first pattern from 1914 to 1919 it resolved WW1 “sword stroke” with 20 million new US millionaires and 200 billion in WW1 blodd money profit, all to form a recovery (“roaring 20’s”) that created a greatly positive global atmosphere of hope to then sell the 1919 League of Nations.

In this final cycle the sell world government, that triggers the Christ arrival upon all prophecy symbols fully complete and terminal.

Now we are supposed to imagine that a Kingdom of God WARNING “first witness” all emerged at the very same time in 1914-1919 to globally announce the real world government of God under Jesus Christ and the Messianic Kingdom but born, but yet to also complete, and it is all “meaningless coincidence”?

That that is all a big coincidental “delusion” and a big “JW error” as God’s Kingdom makes the global initial claim of Revelation 11:15 at the very same time and exact year as the League fo Nations “image of the wildbeast” of world government also made such, but diametric claims?

And this is all a meaningless coincidence, and you can deny all these points of synchronicity to build up to Armageddon, and 100 others I could point out, and you are still blind?

RBR it is you who is packed and ready to go to the Lake if you persist in your own crazy delusion that this is all not true, and exactly what Jehovah’s witnesses have claimed it is. Of course the were going to target this JW initial truth, and enter the JW leadership to very cunningly adjoin JWs to the UN NGO service partnership of this selfsame wildbeast, all from within. (Dan11:32a; Dan8:12)

That is why the devastation cycle will such apostate Bethel and the JW org into it, but it will be so enormous they hope to relegate the JW temple judgment to a sideline as the final cycle already starts to repeat the first cycle, except it is JW apostasy that is now to be the focus, not Christendom any longer.

No way can someone just “make all this up”, it is what it is. (Dan8:13-14; Rev11:2-3) It is the events that signal the approach of the “second witness” final warning, and it will use JW downfall by apostasy as its first chapter.

You going to keep denying this when all this hell now breaks on the JW org for 1150 days to eventual recovery? You going to try to deny the second witness too?

There are two witnesses, one of them is done (1914-1918) and one is on the way.

As bad is it will be for JW org, it will keep the focus where it needs to be for when that “second witness” emerges from this temple judgment, timed and phased for future verifiction, because at this time, JWs are still in denial. (Dan8:13-14; Dan11:41)


[QUOTE who=”red blood relative”]<quoted text>
you claim nebuchadnezzars problem and the 7 times led to this event.
rev 12; 5……….. and she gave birth to a son, a male , who is to shepherd all the nations with an iron rod …… and her child was caught away to god and to his throne.

6……… and the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by god, that they should feed her there 1260 days………… 1914 + 3 1/2 years = 1918

that is why you claim jesus appointed you in 1919…………… you claim the bride of christ went upward to the throne of god in 1914, and you were the remnant that satan persecuted for 42 months till 1919…………. after that, it was over, and you were the temple appointed to rule, the new jerusalem on earth…………….. cause it was way over your members heads!!!!

////// but, ….the bride goes up to HEAVEN for the marriage………….. and later the remnant too!!!………… then the marriage in heaven, ………. rev 19; 1, 7

then it comes back down to rule as the temple of god…. rev 21; 2 ………………….. rutherford was a FRAUD……….. YOU ARE BLASPHEMERS…………. you are not appointed at all………… NONE OF THAT HAPPENED IN 1914.

the the bride of christ new jerusalem temple is not here yet!!!!……………. the seven churches with the 7 lamp stands are still here………… rev 1; 20…………. you are blaspheming against them and their angels.

your members are figuring this out, newtonian..


Figuring what out? Figuring out that you spin the same tales as condemned Christendom, with the same old story as an “Red Dud Relative alternative” “TRUTH”?

You are just more greasy Christendom dirty grill rehash and gristle already scraped off the grill since 1919, but now you are taking that same old crud and making us all an omellete of old lies?

And we are to chose your greasy stinky plate of OLD grease and lies over the latest revealed truth of the Bible from Jehovah’s witnesses from God?

You are worse than the GB actors (Rev2:2) if you think your turd is edible.

The only thing people are figuring out is your are a dud.


[QUOTE who=”Lordylordy9111″]<quoted text>

Violent foreign policy are designed by neocons along with the UN. We both know why foreign policies are both inhumane and complete failures . KN is a war maker. Not even King South could stop him through offering him all his daughters and women. He is out for total world domination. Today, KN made everyone rally behind him under the wild beast’s godly images, a complete fraud. Everyone has been deceived who supports him….

Satan, his false prophets, and the wild beast don’t care how many die over these failed foreign policies. He will keep doing the same thing over and over until he enters the land of honor where he comes to his end. [/QUOTE]

Well quite a bit happens between the entry of the Decoration (Dan11:41) and the end (Daniel 11:45). And even more so when Daniel 12:1 “during that time” is that Daniel 11:44-45 time merging into Daniel 12:1,7,11.

At this time JWs have joined the global Christendom related subversion camp. NOW it si a shut out, all of Chrisetndom and the Bethel Chriusetndom clergy harlot are ALL doing KN wildbeast bidding, ALL OF THEM.

This is a critical situation in which words no longer work on the misled, What will work, [for some]’ will be strokes in a huge global context (Hag2:7) of the KN surge to try to install world government way before its time.

God will delay them, they have to come “all the way” to the end, in God’s timing, not theirs.

What the point is, there are several critical mass conditions that God has to crush and set back. God has to crush the Bethel apostasy, and expose it, and he has to delay the KN progress, and the one who will do this, solves BOTH problems, it is Destroyer. He will clean out the temple, and he will “darken its Kingdom”, meaning he will smash certain Illuminati key world government project managers.

In that process ALL of the Illuminati anti-temple managers and impostors will be escorted out of the temple, dead or alive.

Therefore, when the 1150 days hit their end, expect BOTH of these developments to create a God managed timeline from there on out, and the recovery of a valid final anointed Christian warning purification, recovery, commission and deployment, the main goal of why that fifth plague “darkens their kingdom”. The light of that wildbeast kingdom is the self proclaimed Illuminati. Some, not all, but some of those lights will be “put out” by Destroyer. The fifth plague has to activate with the fifth trumpet, at that 1150 day point reached. (Dan8:13-14)

It is all in the same Destroyer deployed context to ensure the final warning comes forth, and that they meet the divine timeline.

That is not the only thing that darkens their kingdom, the news to emerge from the Rev9 abyss of temple judgment desolations will also bring the “bad news” of the “good news of Gods’ Kingdom” to their full attention as Rev 9 progresses to Rev 10 and Rev11:2-3.

They can expect Destroyer everywhere, when they reach the 1150 days.

They will get the warning before that time is reached. (Hos1:4-7) God always gives fair warning in the right amount of time to save a few, even from the enemy camp.

But, Destroyer is coming to the temple first, in any event, and then he will trespass in their house and knock the key heads to delay them properly. They can expect Destroyer at the 1150.


[QUOTE who=”Matt9969″]<quoted text>

Or can we get a block user at least

In forums with some brains (Like 1000 rank Topix) behind them, they like users who create unique content with good search hooks. THAT is part of how Topix got so huge, they keep producers able to produce content for them. And it works.

They only remove SPAM that is actually SPAM. A valid message or product being promoted with unique information is not SPAM, technically. SPAM is generally first a non-unique copied content, replicated rather than generated as new every time.

Topix, like some others out there, has a more sensitive algorithm, if they did not, they wouldn’t have the content they do at this time.

In a similar manner, some marketing strategists no longer police piracy and YouTube content like they used to. Why? Well firstly, there is always “leakage”. But in the case of Pirates Bay and YouTube, that “leakage” is FREE ADVERTISING.

That is to say, even with a 1% conversion, a pirated software or a copyrioght enfringing video will still drive sales. The sunk cost is having a completely unknown product, such as when someone deletes the one “ad” content on YouTube, that could have driven 1% sales instead.

So the smart marketers balance this, like Autodesk, they allow a certain amount of piracy and distribution, because a certain percentage of these “pirate customers” will in time, buy more AutoCAD products, as John Walker discusses in the “Autodesk File”. Today, AutoCAD is a multi-billion dollar drafting program number 1. It worked.

So when a long-gone TV series or old song makes it to Youtube, its presence will make sales that otherwise would not have occurred, it is free advertising and it works. (Just ask Segall, or others benefiting from these seemingly illogical, but effective, free-ad system function.)

So what is a few people “ripped you off”, when you made a million that otherwise would never have been generated.

Like Jesus said, cast some bread on the water, don’t be a tightwad, and you will get more return later.

What goes around comes around, in this case, as “new float” profits otherwise unattainable. Some know this trick, others do not.


[QUOTE who=”imagoodboy”]<quoted text>

I think most people (Christian specifically from their POV) are cognizant of the difficulties and problems here on earth, and man while in every sincere effort to solve them cannot. with no doubt than that will bring mankind to the brink of extinction where by God will indeed have to intervene and bring it to an end. [/QUOTE]

The problem is, the efforts are NOT sincere. This world follows its leaders. The leaders could change the course, but do not. So when you see rape, theft, lies, murder and war, plus billions in profit off of these things, you are looking at the real efforts of the leaders.


This world war is not that time. After it, yes. And that is the problem, Chrisetndom promotes the premature “doomsday” distraction. When this starts, you will think it is “doomsday”.

But it will not be doomsday, but in the process they can predict and control your behavior for the diametric purpose.

That is why they have made you subject to the delusion aided by churchthink.

[QUOTE who=”imagoodboy”]<quoted text>
It is the kingdom in the hands of his son that will do it!

True. But it aint a free ride, there are some Kingdom responsibilities. There is also the temple judgment. “Weeds” aint going to make it, for example. And weeds claim to be wheat, that is their trick.

Not saying I know your judgment, I do not claim that right or power, but continuing in known error is not going to help your case.


[QUOTE who=”red blood relative”]

the whole chapter contrasts the son against the angels……… its very clear……….. only the liars say it means the opposite, and then they come up with a tricky talk explanation.

It is “clear” to you, you have been raised in a Jesus worshiping bias.

Now to the roginal audience, who knew THAT ANGEL very well, having been led by him out of Egypt, in person, and many other interactions, IN PERSON, they read Hebrews 1 with no bias.

They just wanted to KNOW how this Angel becomes the “Mighty God” knowing full well how God toleraates no rivalry for worship, NONE WHATSOEVER.

So what makes this angel the closest thing you are ever going to see to God Almighty? WHY did Yahweh loft up this particular angel to even “indestructible life” IMMORTAL “SON” proportions?

Because of the Christendom tales of Jesus worship?

NOPE, Hebrews is the answer to the Jewish first readers question.

What MADE this angel so darn special so as to become Mighty GOD, GOD ALMIGHTY”S SON IMMORTAL???????????????

Hebrews 1 begins the explanation in its proper Michael context, free of Christendom’s later bias.

The Jews know full well who Michael is, what he was made, Christ and Mighty God Immortal was the issue at that time.


Hebrews was not originally nor now a Christendom Jesus Worship recipe. They twisted it to meet their own ends, to worship something other than God, thereby breaking the first commandment.

THAT AINT WHAT HEBREWS IS REALLY ABOUT! IT’s about the story of Michael the Archangel, and Mighty God, God’s “ONLY begotten” Son.

Of course, Christendom will twist this until they are gone, and some suckers will buy those myths, like you Red Dud Relative.


[QUOTE who=”imagoodboy”]<quoted text>

That’s because you assume those things!

Michael is seldom mentioned in 4000 years of Hebrew Scriptures! And after!

Even the Angel of Jehovah was present to tell Joseph that Mary was pregnant! Yet he supposed to have disappeared into the womb of Mary! lols!


Think about it. WHY would God send Gabriel? Think about it.

Because Michael was unavailable, you know, he was about to be put into Mary, after she agreed to the deal with God, which Gabriel made clear.

Why would Michael not announce the birth of Messiah Christ?

Because he is the Messiah Christ. LOL

Think about it!


[QUOTE who=”Lordylordy9111″]<quoted text>
What is the 1150 in the Bible? [/QUOTE]



Daniel 8:14

1150 days minimum temple judgment. 2300 “evenings” and “mornings”, “THE evening” and “The Morning” is Daniel 8:26 phasing, which seems to be 1150 days “the evening” and 1150 days “the morning”.

We have to wait to see.

“The evening” is the darkness period of the temple judgment desolation phase, 1150 days, that is certain. What is probable is there will also be 1150 days of “morning” (same as Rev9 abyss opened to light), which would be the recovery to the “right condition” which MUST precede the final warning to prepare its starting event explanation.

Doing the temple judgment and desolation on the visible “established place” (Dan8:11) JW ministry, with the JW org as the epicenter, will keep the recovery spotlight where the apostasy spotlight is now shining on JW apostasy.

Making JWs the scandal mill for all the world to see (Zech3:3), with their ridiculous temple frauds GB, to a full blown “its the end of the world” final FALSE PROPHECY global laughing stock coming up (WT7/15/15), to eventual judgment and self-disclosing confession, will keep the focus on Jehovah’s witnesses and the final warning that must emerge in that epicenter of the temple judgment.

Though the temple judgment affects all anointed Christians which only God knows the location of, inside and outside JW proper, using the JW organizational destruction events gives a globally seen desolation cue that allows it all to be summarized later, with the “first witness”-to-modern-apostasy focus getting the big update for the “second witness” final warning.

There is no way to erase 1914 and the “first witness” as many all hyped up by Bethel and JW hypocrisy are trying to do. Instead, it gets wrapped up, by repeat (Rev11:3), TWO witnessings, into the temple judgment whole tamale to come out with the “second witness” total wrap up, AS ONE WHOLE 1914 TO THAT TIME LIVE AND REAL-TIME FINAL WARNING EN ROUTE TO WORLD GOVERNMENT BEFORE IT IS COMPLETE.

In that way, the final warning will merge into world government. World government will trigger the Christ arrival, because the Revelation “good news” of the “sacred secret” “brought to a finish” means all the prophecy symbology will be completing to the full (Rev10:5-8), whole “scarlet wildbeast” in undeniable world government form (Dan11:45; Dan8:25; Rev17:12), and whole blazing Messianic Kingdom also completing the “final number” to full immortal spirit status (Rev14) for the big war of true global sovereignty, even universal, for Satan and the demons go down in smoke into the abyss prison, no longer able to rule Earth. (Rev19:11-21; Rev20:1-3)

Starting the resistance already “in the temple” (2Thess2:1-4; Dan11:41 infiltration first phase) with that UN-toting-GB to a full blown JW org destruction and desolation cycle coming, will set the needle back to the “first witness” start of the record, for a final encore of the same message, “second witness”, God’s Kingdom opportunity for all (Rev14:6-7), and its final warning, to emerge from the ashes of apostate JWs as we know them now in UN NGO blatant lawless apostasy.



(If you think JWs are controversial in hypocrisy now, wait until they attack the org, JWs are going to the moon in a rocketship called Apostate Judgment Notoriety, it will get 100 times more focus when JW org is destroyed right on CNN)

The only way to rout the JW apostasy, is to destroy or nearly destroy the JW org (Isa66:6), and take the GB down with it, for good, by hand of Temple Cleanser Destroyer, in time, at the end of the 1150 days of desolation “evening” allowance. (Dan8:13-14; Hos1:7; Hos6:1-3; Isa37:30-32)

In time, Daniel 8:13-14’s events, phasing and timed verification time stamp from God will prove itself. Being then in the temple “right condition” final anointed Christians will have to announce the full meaning from said recovery. That is why the temple judgment is timed in Daniel 8:13-14, to give full proof of what it is. It si 1150 days certain, 2300 days probable. The 1150 days of JW desolation is the first big verifiable phase of the temple judgment.


[QUOTE who=”nobody fool”]<quoted text>

Come on, Your not going to find any truth in old watchtower magazines. It all full of lies and indoctrination, They are selling this cult.


This is a lie as bad as the GB. The downward spiral began in 1944. But GB 1976 is the true apostasy budding.

The Governing Body Experiment—1944 to Present

1944 Governing Body Birthday—1914-1976 WTBTS Board of Directors Coup Finally Realized

You can learn about 90% of prophecy that is now world power history in old Watchtowers. You can have Daniel 2,7 Rev13,17 symbols explained up to UN 1945 relevance.

After 1976 and UN NGO 1990 the WTBTS has been subverted from within to lead (Dan11:32a) a global 1914 and JW discrediting campaign with one goal:

Doubt that there is limited time and that Christ arrives as universal and global ruler and get destroyed backing human world government allegiance for a 666 stamp.

That is why the Devil GB is in place, to provide the dirt to help discredit what is a plain divine warning.

It is all just a distraction to coming temple judgment. (Dan8:13-14) JWs are judged first for a gloal heads up. (1Pet4:17)


[QUOTE who=”imagoodboy”]<quoted text>

So you have no response to the Biblical truths!

So you think my rubbishing me it will make your ideologies seem right! lols!


We already had our rounds of pages of reasoning. But you have a peculiar “logic”, and a one-person-only “philosophy”. Your stuff won’t even fly in Christendom’s academic pow wows. YOU alone are the only one on planet Earth who believes your stuff.

Soon Anonymous Brother will also eventually realize reasoning with you is futile. He doign what I did last year, chasing tail with you, trying to break you out of your downward spiral.

You are a hostage of your own peculiar singular musings. Even Christendom’s many myths do not agree with your strange philosophy which center on rigid definitions of words and no flexibility to see it any other way, but goodboys way of seeing it. You’re worse than the GB, at least in the past JWs made sense and had a few also agreeing. You aint got no one agreeing, maybe some captive audience like a child or a wife, if that.

You have an obsessive/compulsive kind of “definition” based “philosophy. It meets the goal of keeping you stagnated spiritually. You are stuck on certain words. But the “hour of test” will test you out too, soon. (Rev3:10) Your philosophy is not the global divine warning we are trained to look for or complement.

That is why I only respond to you if there is somethign someone else may benefit from, you are a zombie of your own peculiar mythology and rigid definitions. You are your own professor and student.
Newtonian wrote:
<quoted text>

Bethel judgment – More shock for me – you also have posted an excellent point!

Indeed, neither was Michael available as the chief messenger of God = archangel!

Some question whether there might be more than one archangel (due to the wording in Daniel 10). Obviously there cannot be more than one “first” – one definition of “arch.”

But there can be more than one chief – as in the counsel to Moses to indeed appoint others.

We reason No – but either way if there is more than one “chief” Jesus would be chief of the chiefs!(cp. King of KIngs; Lord of Lords).

Could there also be more than one “angel of Jehovah?” Well, let me share in my next post still another shock for me!
Yes, “Arch” means first ANCIENT, the oldest, the first.

How can you be “chief of the angels” when you are the ONLY ONE alive with God????

So, way before he was Chief Angel, he was first Angel, and his titles and being are unique and should be capitalized. Arch Angel.

There are only two angels named in the Bible, Gabriel and Michael (in order of appearance in the Bible; Dan8:16; Dan10:13),(unless you count the angel Penuel by induction; Gen32:31 (that is sort of a secret, btw)), one of them must be number 1, and that is made clear when we connect Daniel, Jude and Rev12 info about Michael THEE Archangel.

God waited quite a while before Michael was revealed to the Jews by name, any sooner and he would have been one of the misdirected objects of worship, as would have been Moses’ bones had God not hidden them, when Satan was trying to get them in place as an idol.

But when an angel saves your arse from Egypt, and you see him in lead, and he saves your arse from the Assyrians encamped right outside you city ready to skin you alive by sunup with an event that must have shook the earth that night, you tend to wonder who in the heck is that guy? We know he is “Angel of Israel” as angelic guide and messenger from God, but God, can you be more specific?

So at Isaiah 63:9:

(Isaiah 63:9). . .And his own personal messenger saved them. In his love and in his compassion he himself repurchased them. . .

So that “personal messenger” did indeed “save them” in more ways than one, and his sacrifice when made perfect human is the “repurchase” clear as day stated right there in Isaiah 63.(and Isa53)

The Jews were very interested in this Angel, and they WITNESSED his progressive mission advancement in their behalf to the point he became the Christ of God. OF COURSE, God was going to use his “only begotten Son” NUMBER 1, to accomplish the mission, and ti would end Michael’s continuum for the Hebrew era when he became the Christ messenger of the new and kingdom covenant.

To the Jews with faith (Isa53), it all made perfect sense. Still does.

Its a no brainer.

Now JWs are going to need Michael to save them from King North, and he will.(Isa31:8-9; Mic5:6-7; Hos1:4-7; Rev9; Isa66:6; Isa37:30-32; Hos6:1-3)

JWs are in grave danger and do not even realize it, yet.(Dan11:41; Dan11:32-35)

But Jehovah’s witnesses aint going to put this together until “the morning” (Dan8:26), well after the fact (Dan8:14), but in the middle of the temple judgment of Daniel 8:13-14, which is timed for 3.19 years so even if you doubt now, you won’t be a doubter later after Destroyer sweeps through the “Temple” in the near future.

If he didn’t, Jehovah’s witnesses would be exterminated within 6 years from opening JW org salvo event. But he will.(Rev9)

They don’t call him Apollyon THEE Destroyer for nothing.

Get ready to meet Michael. BUT, in a good way.(Zech3:1-10; Rev10)


[QUOTE who=”Nedoba “]<quoted text>

As the WTS conventioners cling to every word the GB and the “boyz in writing” have put together for their followers to mold their lives by…….

and if we can rely on the results and the effects of the past years of dutiful obedience to what the WTS demands…..

we have found that what is “tossed out there” at assemblies, will see yet more and more personal freedoms being taken away from the WT followers.

You know if we project this trend of JW slavery, the loss of freedom ends up with many JWs in FEMA prison camps, total loss of freedom is where the trand seems to indiacte it is going.

But that is hard to believe not just for JWs (of course), but even for JW critics.

What is coming for JWs will shock both JWs and their critics. It is designed to meet a divine puprose to wake some people up as to where the world is heading: WORLD GOVERNMENT.

A complete world government is how they kick the Lion called Christ. And he will respond at that time of all completions. (Rev10:5-8)

JWs will soon lose all freedom, in those they can wile into the Pied Piper trap “Bunkers”.

Later, some will be set free, the “wheat” sift of those trapped:

(Isaiah 49:24-25) . . .Can those already taken be taken from a mighty man himself, or can the body of captives of the tyrant make their escape? 25 But this is what Jehovah has said: “Even the body of captives of the mighty man will be taken away, and those already taken by the tyrant himself will make their escape. . . .

Destroyer is coming to JW town, that is how they make their escape.(Isa31:8-9; Mic5:6-7; Hos1:4-7; Rev9; Isa66:6; Isa37:30-32; Hos6:1-3)

JWs are in grave danger and do not even realize it. Yet.(Dan11:41; Dan11:32-35)



[QUOTE who=”imagoodboy”]<quoted text>

I agree to truth not conjecture!

And your ** very ignorant ** to what others believe!

What I understand goes back to the days of the disciples and has been known for centuries!

Unitarianism for example have been at the forefront of disproving the trinity! The WTS love to use their literature to prove the trinity wrong! They existed before WTS was even thought of! The wts is primarily Unitarian themselves but with some erroneous doctrines, and have just set themselves up as being the only organization preaching truth, that is presumptuousness!

The wheat and the weeds would grow together until Jesus returned.

For you benefit so you don’t continue to embarrass yourself here is a dictionary commentary on Unitarianism.



I am not talking anti-trinity, I am talking your own blend of theological hooch recipe. It is unique to you alone.

You do not have a global message. You have fragments of truth you try to glue your mythology together with, but you have to framework of truth.

Jehovah’s witnesses have a Bible prophecy FRAMEWORK that ties in 7 world power national histories to 8th King world government. You don’t.

JWs laid out the “first witnessing” cycle of Revelation 7 trumpet core meanings. You didn’t.

JWs tie in Christ’s Earthly sovereign appointment to a conflict with world government (they are stalled), you never did this, while apostate JWs will not finish the story.

So with the “seven times” to Revelation 11 “seven times” to complete in time, JWs laid out a sovereign framework into which all prophecy can be registered with the full JW outline of the “sacred secret” of the totality. You have floating fragments, no structure to your musings.

Russell, Rutherford, and Fred Franz were far more comprehensive than your crazy attempt at being some sort of “teacher”, you aint got it, you are too fragmented, errd and incomplete. (Good try, you can go home now)

And it aint done, more JW structure is to come with their JW org downfall as the temple judgment (Dan8:13-14) portion of the final “second witnessing” portion of Revelation’s replication of the same pattern, but in final form.

And, it will all tie together perfectly, JW “first witness” of the “TWO witnesses” already laid out the structured program, to world war, world government, and Christ arrival, over seven trumpet gauging to be seen globally en route to world government first. It just repeats that same formula for real world government, and real total Christ arrival.

Your little chicken-scratch doodle does not come close to this scale of a Christ arrival indication BIG PICTURE. You just like to hear yourself type. You aint got it, you aint the “one” we are to be on the look out for, except to detect as but another manmade error of mind-controlled fancy. Even the churches would reject your fancies.

i have a new introduction this month………. wanna hear it?……… ok………. knock, knock,
anybody home?……… oh HI !!!!…… today i’m out talking to jws about THE DAY OF THE LORD, and the 7 golden lamp stands that represent the angels and 7 entirely different congregations of the lord jesus who owns them………. its all in rev 1; 20

“7 entirely different” ……”congregations”

In your own way, you help me rbr, every now and then. (As before you gave an accidental hint (in around 2011) on the wildbeast in abyss in Revelation 11:7 (impossible in WW1 timing), that meant a “second witnessing” has to occur, when the UN goes into abyss this final time and Revelation 11:7 is fully fulfilled.)


I think you are on to something. I think “seven” congregations including JWs, mean there are some other “7000 not bending knee to Baal” (Rev11:13) from other little religious groups (maybe Russell offshoots), who can be used in the “second witness”.

Every now and then you come up with very useful insights accidentally.

GOOD JOB! I’m gonna use this one too.



[QUOTE who=”tommy “]So Jehovah had it all planned out, The paradise , and doing away with the worldly devils and apostate’s.
and we end up in Limbo, What’s gone wrong. Must be the Watchtower mashed it all up?
1914 over 100 years past and I still can’t go into the lions cage.
Or is it the JW just sitting about not pioneering enough, slacking off, not putting enough boot time in on the door knocking,
poor old Jehovah must be crying in despair, the G/B should start rounding up the apostates and begin a campaign of disfellowshipping. [/QUOTE]

No, it was a “preview”. To complete the plot, JWs have had to devolve into apostasy which leads tothe judgment, which?

Starts the same cycle we have just previewed sinc 1914, in actual final form.

In this way, some people can catch on to what it means as we ahead head over a world war cycle, to this time full blown world government. In WW1 in 1914 it led to 1919 and the “League of Nations” world government nucleus.

This time, the final world war heads to world government and JW apostasy is exposed by their own mouth, to start the same cycle, again, TWO “witnessings”.

Get it yet?

Letting JWs have the truth since 1914 to devolve into a UN NGO UN partnership, is all just part of repeating the apostasy-to-judgment part of the same kind of cycle, which unfolds with thsi final world war which resolves into world government “world peace” and security.

JWs will recover and provide a “second witness” recap before that world government completes. JW org being near destroyed, just refocuses attention on JWs.


[QUOTE who=”ihveit”]<quoted text>

ihv just more of the same bullchit without giving any proof anyone is wrong…

why not prove us wrong if we are? cause you cant .. so you make up these silly sickening posts to waste peoples time



The problem is structural. There is no structure overall, nothing to map world government development to triggering Christ arrival.

Getting distracted into the microscopic view is the purpose of these errors, to further keep the “big picture” out of focus.

JWs have a structure, they put a sovereign plot to the Bible drama, the structured the flow to the Christ arrival, even if they forgot they did that and need to complete it, hence UN NGO rather than exposing the 3rd UN event as part of the first two UN-1-2 events continuum to world government as UN1-2-3-4.

Even JWs are losing sight of the structure of their mission, they lost focus by GB mislead. (Dan11:32a)

Along with this structure JWs have a “limited time” sovereign “hour glass” in the “seven times” which ended as 2520 years into the Revelation 2 witnesses x 1260 days = 2520 days final “seven times”. (JWs do nto even realize this connection yet, because of GB misleading loss of focus and seriousness by use of 2Thess2:1-2 premature end delusion to bypass UN 3 and 4 (world government) connection to UN 1-2, 1919, 1945.

JWs also summarized the “sacred secret” of God’s Kingdom into a simple synopsis a little child can comprehend.

Add it all up, and it is the most advanced and unique Christian theology on Earth. The only problem is saying USSR is King North and some errors in Daniel 8, such as that 3rd UN event of Daniel 8:23, and Daniel 11:31.

What it boils down to is the GB are truncating UN-3-4 from UN1-2, for a UN1-2-3-4 all foretold prophecy with UN 3.0 1990, and future UN 4.0 as world government that triggers Christ arrival.

So what we have is JWs with a “half done” message, thinking instead it must be “the end”, IN ERROR, over advanced, UN NGO, and in apostasy with their GB. Now they can crash the org, and sell that to JWs as “the end” (2Thess2:1-2) that will not arrive until UN1-2-3-4 is fully explained enroute to world government. (And the GB based apostasy must be revealed before the real end; 2Thess2:3-4)

What this means is, JW org destruction (Dan11:41; Dan8:11-14) is temple judgment to RESTART the final fulfillment “seven trumpets” CYCLE, AGAIN, as JW apostasy now begins this final cycle, just as Christendom apostasy began cycle 1, 1914-1919. That is why there are TWO (2) “WITNESSINGS”, this JW apostasy development leads to the final warning of all time.

JWs are REPEATING THE JUDGMENT PROCESS. This will keep the global-focus where it needs to stay: on Jehovah’s witnesses. And when the JW org is desolated as Daniel 8:13, there will be even more JW notoriety and global-focus, which aids the recovery and disclosure phase. JW Org will go down on CNN, for heaven’s sake.

Except now the temple judgment kick-off is on JWs, and they need to be desolated to get refocused. It is essentially the start of the “second witness” 1260 days cycle once the Daniel 8:13-14 timing (1150 days minimum desolation phase, 2300 days total) of temple judgment and events transpires fully to the “right condition” which of course must precede the final 1260 days, for 2520 days “seven times” total witnesses, “TWO witnesses” of final warning.

Get it yet?

We are seeing the start of the events and temple judgment that leads to the SECOND WITNESS phase, AS IT REPEATS THE FIRST WITNESS THEME ALREADY EXPLAINED BY JWS, for a global recap before world government and thus before Christ arrival.

We are seeing the start of the REPEAT of the “seven trumpets”, but this time in 1-7 order, temple judgment (T1-4), to recovery/cleansing (T5-6), to apostate JW exposure (Rev9), to UN 3-4 exposure (Rev10; Rev11:1-7), while en route to 8th King world government (Rev11:7; Rev17:8-13), which triggers Christ arrival (Rev11:11-12), Trumpet 7. 1-7 upon the well known JW base plot synopsis of the “first witness”.


That is how and why the JW rundown isso important: it REPEATS in exact form, but this time to world government and then the Christ arrival.

Get it yet?

If not, it will be repeated, then you should “get it”.


[QUOTE who=”DR SOS”]<quoted text> you were DFED. The elders sat you down and threw your arse out of the hall then you became bitter.

That reality negates any of that psychobabble you post. All of the garbage you post is feelings of rejection and holding a grudge no matter how many times you rehash and post scriptures that only interpret your personal biased view on the situation.

It’s so easy to see,you are obsessed with “Bethel” for a reason because you are not a man but a loser that can’t let go of the grudge.


Why do you sit trying to analyze a phantom and a fiction to try to pin down my motivation?


Jehovah’s WITNESSES joined the WILDBEAST!!!!!!!!!

Perhaps it is these global developments that motivated me to check prophecy for the same patterns?

Prophecy Bethel is dead silent on as the play their “it is simply the end o the JW org and the world, look no further” routine?

I think those true conditions of APOSTASY in the JW global congregation are far more motivating when found also in prophecy which Bethel “throws to the earth” (Dan8:12; Dan11:32a) than some poor disgruntled JW seeking salve for DFing.

The GB and elders are obviously powerless with God and of no authority except to start to also ride the wildbeast with nary a peep as to its consequences.

I only expose what is real crimes in the Bethel leadership, nothing “ax grinding” about it. They have gone apostate, that BEGINS a repeat of the same CYCLE as in 1914-1918 which started with the exposure of Christendom apostasy.

Prophecy foretells Bethel’s timed and phased temple judgment at Daniel 8:13-14, which even you can verify when the firestorm comes on the JW org.

THAT is why they want the JW weeds all bundled up in their bunkers, to bulldoze them in groups to FEMA, for we have the “son of destruction” with that Bethel “man of lawlessness” treachery at WTBTS. It is NOT what it claims to be now.


[QUOTE who=”Newtonian”]Bethel – on your post 195 – Yes, it is weird that rbr keeps posting so far off as to our beliefs.

So can we get back to 1914?[/QUOTE]

The 2520 years since 607 BCE ended in October 1914. The 2520 days of Revelation 11’s “seven times” extension started in December of 1914, IN THE VERY SAME YEAR.

Though Jehovah’s witnesses do not understand there must be TWO “witnesses” of “seven times” Kingdom warning, which 1260 days is complete in 1914-1918 and after in global effect ?(we are still talking about it, btw), they do understand witness 1, 1914-1918.

But Revelation 11 also has a “seven times” prophecy perfectly related to the same warning as the 2520 years “seven times” explanation which just so happens to terminate into 1914, the very same year the 2520 days begins.

2 witnesses = 2 x 1260 days:

In the future, after God removes and exposes the GB apostasy in JWs, a final warning, the “second witness” must emerge for a final 1260 days.

(Revelation 11:3) . . .And I will cause my two witnesses to prophesy a thousand two hundred and sixty days dressed in sackcloth.” (2520 days, “seven times” complete)

When Jehovah’s witnesses finally realize the true state of the ministry, they will put on that sackcloth.

The 1260 days also relates to the 42 months and the “time, times and half a time” in Daniel 7:25, Daniel 12:7; Rev11:2, Rev12:6,14 and Rev13:5. They also REPEAT for 3.5 times x 2 = 7 times.

Daniel 12:6 is unique it was with Satan’s casting from heaven, but Revelation 12:14 will REPEAT on the final anointed Christians who must perform this final 1260 days warning globally, BEFORE 8th King world government completes, for it triggers the Christ arrival.

It all starts Revelation 8 temple judgment parallel with Daniel 8:13-14 which 1150 days JW org desolations will mark that 2300 day prophecy. The “morning” phase 1150 days to follow is for recovery or the Revelation 9 parallel.

Joining the UN NGO is not good with God, it is the “transgression CAUSING DESOLATION” in tandem with Daniel 11:31b, when Bethel covered up that 1990 3rd UN presentation “place the disgusting thing that CAUSES DESOLATION” as they became UN NGO instead.

As a result, Jehovah’s witnesses are in the dark (Dan8:26) first, and are in a dangerous foretold final apostasy which judgment and exposure will begin the final “second witness” final fulfillment cycle of Revelation 8-11, en route to 8th King world government (UN also goes into abyss; Rev11:7; Rev17:8-13) and the Christ arrival.

1914 is unchangeable, try as they may, it gets recapped in the “second witness” as the same cycle, but this time in final global war “sword stroke” to recover (Isa41:1; Rev13:3) into full 8th King world government.

That full 8th King WORLD GOVERNMENT “world peace” and security claim, and entity, trigger the Christ arrival.

Now you know what is up.


On Daniel 8:14 timing of the modern temple judgment to come on Jehovah’s witnesses first. (1Pet4:17)

In regard to marking you calendar for the 1150 days of JW org desolations proofing benchmark there should be a big enough event on JW org, to mark the day properly.

This may include the cancellation of the JW ministry by Bethel mouth. Once it goes into that “good news” truned “bad news” mode, it is as good as cancelled. Once they say it is “the end of the world” mark your calendar.

Mark any event that marks the real JW org downfall, and 1150 days later a recovery shall begin as per Daniel 8:13-14. (3.19 years “evening” minimum guaranteed. 1150 days, 3.19 years, “morning” recovery probable, 2300 days total.)

Since this prophecy is kinda cryptic, we need to pay attention to the event dates and the elapsed time of JW org GLOBAL SCALE legal bulldozings for criminal lawlessness and UN NGO “transgression causing desolation” apostasy.


[QUOTE who=”Newtonian”]<quoted text>

OK, anyone wish to address the above summary so this thread can get back on track?


The very second a “gentile” altered the course of the Judean Kings that criteria for the “seven times” parallel of “GENTILE times” (that is based on GENTILE histories affirmable solidly) is activated.

Pharaoh Necho did this to Jehoahaz, Neb continued the trend on Jehoichin, Jehoaikim and Zedekiah.

And further, gentile kings RENAMED those kings from their God given names.

So the “seven times” cannot be marked on Jerusalem destruction yet, it took 20 more years to get to that “last resort”. In those 20 final years of direct Jeremiah and also Ezekiel warning, Jerusalem could have REPENTED and avoided destruction while still honoring BOTH the “seven times” start point ?9607 BCE, on Neb ascension), and the 70 years requirements.

But they got three more kings that “did what was bad in eyes of Jehovah”, and so by the time Zedekiah broke divine vow, the last resort had been met in 587-586 BCE.

Thus we can also parallel Jerusalem more vague history into affirmable “gentile times”. Jerusalem is no “gentile” they do not found the times, they paralleled them.

70 years also transpires from 586 BCE to TEMPLE COMPLETION in 516 BCE. THAT is when “sprout” appeared in symbol for the first time (Zech6:9-15)

The 70 sabbaths can be met anytime from 607 BCE to 516 BCE, it does not have to be concurrent. But the 70 years Babylon period is exactly 70 years, hence the first “seven times”, which Bethel cannot recognize at this time, opting for the Babylon 86 years error.

Babylon in Neb dynasty lasted 70 years, 609-7 BCE Neb “crown prince” to King of Babylon at the least, to 539-537 BCE Cyrus King of Babylon period.

Ray Franz was illegally expelled, though he resigned from the GB first, to keep this revision from not being made in 1980s. The GB 1976 is an illegal temple apostate authority override of Daniel 8:12, Dan11:32a, and 2Thess2:3-4 in final form.

After JWs are judged in Daniel 8:13-14, the final update and wrap-up-summary of Revelation 10:5-8, will emerge with the final 1260 days warning to complete the Revelation 11 “seven times” as 2520 days.

JWs are only “half done” at this time. The GB telling them it is “all done and all’s well” is dangerous thinking. (2Thess2:1-2)


[QUOTE who=”Newtonian”]Bethel judgment – On your post 206

Of course we are non-governmental (NGO) as far as the world of mankind is concerned.

But yes, you are correct – we give our sole allegiance to only one government – the Kingdom of God – as in heavenly Jerusalem in Hebrews 12:22 ff.

I didn’t label us non-governmental – the UN did. NGO (= non-governmental organization) is the abbreviation they accept with their worldly meaning which surely you must understand???

Apparently you do not realize that when I defend our being non-governmental I mean not giving allegiance to any human government!

You haven’t noticed the many times I have posted the prophecy in Isaiah 2:2-4 – pointed out that this prophecy is on the UN’s Isaiah wall but made clear they cannot accomplish this?

Have I not made clear that only Jehovah’s Witnesses are currently enjoying the miraculous fulfillment of Isaiah 2:2-4 by being many peoples from all nations going to God’s mountain and learning God’s ways and walking in God’s paths and specifically: learning war no more!

Have you missed the fact that I pointed out that the mountain in Isaiah 2:2-4 that is lifted above all other mountain-like or hill-like human governments is God’s Kingdom?

Have you missed the fact that I pointed out that Jehovah’s Witnesses alone accept that mountain-like Kingdom of God as the highest power – that Jehovah’s Witnesses alone therefore give no allegiance to any human government, do not vote, salute no flag, join no political party and join no human government’s military?

Did you miss all of that?[/QUOTE]


Apostates accept those things, that is what they apostatized from, and I mean ANOINTED Jehovah’s witnesses, not people not even in the “holy covenant”.

Because all that is true, that is why they targeted JWs to apostatize them into UN NGO. Aand as per Daniel 11:30-32a, and Daniel 8:12, it “acted effectively” and “acted and had SUCCESS”, they have been successful in misleading JWs as per Daniel 11:32a.

It does not matter if you have the truth, the Jews had the truth and went bad, Christendom had the truth and went bad, it is the same story.

You have to GUARD and “love the truth” as well. (2Thess2:11-12)

Jws have gotten fearful and lazy (like Jonah), GB focused and lost track of updated modern truth of prophecy development. It is what it is. They are the apostates in those in the “holy covenant”. Why do “five follish virgins” get expelled from the ministry also in the future?

Because some anointed Jehovah’s witnesses have GONE BAD with the ever-influential but lawless Governing Body, even worshiping the GB.

We better start to see how off course this has really gone. JWs are the biggest reproach on God’s name that has ever existed, our lawlessness is plain now for all the world to see and talk about. Pedophiles, shunning, rackets, extortion, grifting, greed, self-righteousness, it is all about us Jehovah’s witnesses, “due to transgression”. (Dan8:12; Dan11:32-35)

JWs stumble more people from the truth, than we bring into the truth. Face the stats Newtonian, temple judgment must come on JWs to get back to the “right condition” (Dan8:13-14)

It IS what it IS.

The UN NGO is just the scarlet “cherry on top”.

I certainly am not going “door to door” defending such lawlessness our the illegal GB, I observe Revelation 2:2 and Matthew 24:15.

If we cannot SEE sins in our own house, what business do we have out pointing fingers at Christendom?????

No, to be Jehovah’s WITNESS we need to be HONEST completely.

JWs are also dishonest, untruthful and in denial at this time. Not good. (1Pet4:15-16)

[QUOTE who=”Nedoba “]<quoted text>

By the same token…..I am most sorry for shunning so many DFed JWs in my 30 year stint in the WTS. Even though I always felt crummy when I did it and how ashamed it made me feel for the rest of the day…..the old WTS orders of “pleasing jehovah” made me push past my bad feelings and be obedient to men in Brooklyn.

I SHOULD have listened to my inner feelings of goodness and remember to treat others as I wanted to be treated….but there it is. Many regrets.



They will understand, this is a very special situation. The JW situation is so severe it must be aided from within, just as prophecy states at Daniel 11:32a.

The GB is an experiment. The experiment has failed. In 1944 they first peeped the “governing body” term, but not in connection to the board of directors; yet.

In 1970s, they started to make preparation to make the big “presto” shift. They capitalized their title as “Governign Body” in 1971, first, step 2. Then they published an article something like “The Difference between a “governing body” and the corporation”, step 3. In 1976 they took a coup dictatorship, step 4.

They did not even tell people directly the “board of directors” was now, all of a sudden, that “governing body” they had slipped in in 1944, now “Governing Body” “of Jehovah’s Witnesses”.

And there is the internal means to wreck the JW ministry set in place.

And therein starts the downward spiral, yanked blessing, depleting holy spirit and so on. (Hag1; Mal1) (In Daniel 8:12 NWT it is called “GRADUALLY GIVEN OVER”)

In fact, the 1970-1975 10-15% growth rate peak, was NEVER seen again. In the very year of 1976, with this GB Tyranny, starts the statistically verifiable “downward spiral” of JW growth to UN NGO and today’s actually negative JW growth rate. (The liars (Rev2:2) merely LIE to keep this red flag folded up, for now;)

From 1976 to today it went from 10-15%% to 0 percent growth, ALL OF IT under “GB” managment.

Think about it.

The GB is who “governed” this apostasy, and apostasy is what it is, managed and promoted right from the very heart of APOSTATE Bethel. They are the next apostasy that God will expose, and when he does there will be no Governing Body mouth to deny it (Isa66:6; Zech3:1-5), they will be destroyed as an entity with the JW org.

JW org may be recovered, I do not know, but it will be bankrupted, seized, and darn near total in desolations of Daniel 8:13-14, if not total; these are very serious sins, murder (of sheep; Zech11), rampant idolatry of org and man, and UN partnership (just to name a few).

Could it really get any worse in God’s house? (and I mean in anointed Christianity, not the physical “established place” of the org and ministry, that is physical stuff; (Dan8:11))

Don’t let no one fool you, JW or XJW or external critic, this is INTERNAL INFILTRATION (Dan8:12; Dan11:31-32a), by means of the non-Biblical “governing body” tool, and this will have SEVERE RAMIFICATIONS on the JWorg, because its visibility is global, and a good place for the final judgment cycle to BEGIN as per the 1Peter4:15-17 setup and principle.



1. They are already telling JWs the org comes under attack “soon, very soon”; (WT7/15/15) (That is a new teaching they do not call a new teaching, btw)

2. They are cloaking it in that “it’s the end brothers!” delusion of 2Thess2:1-2; The JW org downfall phase will actually look like “the end of the world” to many JWs, that is how bad it will get.

They want JWs to think it is “the end”, that is how big the global-context will become. BUT, it is just Revelation 13:3 “sword stroke”, prior to world government. JWs thinking it is “the end” paralyze them to allow it all to happen, distracted mentally as per 2Thess2:1-2.

They misled JWs, they sent them on a detour, and now they are going to crash the org and tell them its an “end” that will not come as soon as expected, and let them figure it out later.

JWs have been pawned, hence the 2300 days to fully judge it and recover it in Daniel 8:13-14 in the Daniel 11:41-43 global-context to the required “right condition” before the final warning emerges from all this GB tomfoolery, the GB will be fully exposed for who and what they have been, and were, from day 1.

That is why it is as if the Devil runs Bethel.

He does, by means of the so-called “Governing Body” of Devil and Wildbeast Worshipers leading JWs to DISASTER at global scale. It aint going to be pretty. But it will be Daniel8:13-14.

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US is controlled by the globalist like Soros and Clinton who have heavy control connections with UN, which by the way the UN counsel committee is now controlled by the Prime Minister of Israel who will pick the next Secretary-General in December 2016, and the trojan horse takeover of Agenda 21 with central banking and the Federal Reserve endless printing fiat money to pay for Secetary of State hawkish warmongering. All this assures for the genocide of Muslims and Christians. These bankers who own central banking love the Secretary of State and Saudi Arabia and men like Soros who will make sure one of their own will get away with fraud and murder. She will make Syria look like Libya. FBI can file all the lawsuits they want but corruption runs all the way to the top and America is under the globalist control. If Clinton wins God will have to show her who makes and breaks kings or queen in this case. Satan is fighting for his throne and it has already been handed over to the Prince of princes and King of kings. These globalist have to learn as everyone has in history. The Supreme God will be victorious and clear His holy name from reproach satan has heaped upon it. I just hope we can avoid WWIII. [/QUOTE]

The UN will go into abyss a final time. But it is all part of the formula. When a brand gets old, they did what JW org did, the rebrand it.

When the UN comes back up for world government, it will probably have a nice catchy “gtandiose words” new name, but it will be the same thing.

People love a winner, that is why the heal the sword stroke as the ascend from abyss so that everyone celebrates the recovery, and they hope they all accept world government.

More “wars and reports”of wars of Matthew 24:6 and “disorders” of Luke 21:9 are on the way.

BUT as Jesus said, that is the time when it is NOT the end. More has to happen in “world peace” and security to be hoisted by world government.

(Matthew 24:6) . . .YOU are going to hear of wars and reports of wars; see that YOU are not terrified. For these things must take place, but the end is not yet.

(Luke 21:9) 9 Furthermore, when YOU hear of wars and disorders, do not be terrified. For these things must occur first, but the end does not [occur] immediately.”

The time of the end is therefore not during peak wars and disorders even at global scale. Logically, it is in that final “world peace” and security period AFTER this period coming up.



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I would have to agree with this….the afflicted ones are more in tune with seeing the discrepancies in these teachings and the hypocrisy in the behaviors of the GB.[/QUOTE]
Keep paying close attention to these JW anomalies. (Things are going to get way way worse in time, and it is all for a reason; (Dan8:13-14; Zech3:1-5))

[QUOTE who=”Nedoba “]I wonder when the “WTS spiritual leaders” will ever decide to worship with spirit and truth.

They won’t they have to be removed by means beyond human. (Zech3:1-5; Isa66:6; ) They are our new “City of Murder”. (Matt22:1-14) (And note in Matt22, when the “city and those murderers” goes down, a final call comes forth afterwards)

All Christianity has some truth, even Christendom and JWs, what is true just needs to be refocused on. Trapping error in the JW system is easier than all Christendom, it is not 100% error in either case.

JWs were a next step in the “Reformation” process which trapped some but not all Catholic system and Papacy error. The Papacy is the same as the Governing Body and JW “Theocracy” cloaked JW “Clergy Class”. Now JWs have to look into THEIR OWN HOUSE. Why point fingers at Christendom when you got spiritual serial killers in the GB?

JWs have the methods to remove these errors as described in their Christendom diagnosis, but they do not remove their own clergy, they empowered them as dictators. So it is the same old story. And this “theocracy” goes down all the way to the Kingdom Hall level to extort, coerce and CONTROL JWs, very simple: CONTROL JWs.

Keep your eyes on JWs, that is the only reason the “wormwood” was allowed to flourish with the GB fiction. (Rev8:10-11) THEY are the latest burnt out and fallen apostate lamp, the oil is gone. JWs are the latest, they were supposed to be keeping error out of their OWN HOUSE regularly, but now the error is the JW GB gods, actually being enriched, obeyed and worshiped by many JWs. That is not good! No matter what it is with God, this is DANGEROUS behavior.

This is why an “operation of error” in time becomes “the lie”. (2Thess2:11-12)

The “error” occurs first, “the lie” takes advantage of the error later, and the core error is trying to say the “Board of Directors” cloaked in a fancy “Governing Body” title  is Biblical and somehow magically different than a Papacy, when in reality it is the same thing, hidden under “pure language” veneers of the “smooth words” of Daniel 11:32a. The GB is just a seven-headed wildbeast backing JW “Pope”. The same objective as well: CONTROL THE FLOCK FOR EVIL PURPOSES.

Accepting the GB error was the first step to the Tyranny we have today (1944 to today), and those leaders are as bad as the Pharisees, they are apostate, impostor, greedy, lawless, etc, etc, and now well exposed.

This is necessary, because when they come for the criminal enterprise called the JW org, they want little public sympathy for these “Mafioso’s” JWs have allowed to take control of the place and its 30 billion dollar skim op. And that is no fiction, these guys have funneled 10 billion in JW donations, and then turned that into 20 more billion in JW slave labor aided real-estate projects and other asset valuation models, since just 1980.

JWs won’t see any of that “nest egg”, these guys aint in the org for free, THEY are them “Cowbirds” Anthony Morris mentioned, it was an “inside joke”.

Keep your eyes on JWs, stranger things are yet to happen, and the current apostasy will only get worse and worse and worse, it is under divine curse of idolatries and UN partnerships now. That UN NGO is no innocent “for a library card” “covenant”.



It is GUARANTEED this “time bomb” “sh*t-bomb” is going to explode all over JWs, it is well designed, it has real criminal activity access points and triggers, and it is designed to fail on purpose, it is no random occurrence, and it has a multi-billion dollar score. (Eze7:22; Dan8:11; Dan11:41)

Now rackets and laundering, which JW org plainly is also involved with, is far more “fast acting” than pedophiles which judgments take years to milk out. When the rackets and laundering in the billions stuff starts to come out, they can start to take the JW org down that day globally, by FBI, ATF and Interpol level authorities.

That is where this “Private JW Supreme Court” is heading, because in addition “Caesar” does not tolerate “executive branch” competitors-for-profit. And the GB “Private Theocratic Judicial System” is a known competitive and predatory system that COMPETES with national and state level legislative systems. (THAT is a “mafia”, THAT is why they cracked down on the Mafia which “organized crime” entity at one time in the FBI, was considered a “conspiracy theory”; They skim profits the state is the authority of, and that causes big problems.)

Expect legal hell-on-earth to eventually break out on JW Org Global. (And this is why GB and Bethel are actually preparing JWs for this “attack”; Except it has nothing to do with God’s Kingdom, it has to do with the GB’s Kingdom, real criminal activity, and heavy transgression, NOT “you are all good and faithful like us, it is just THE END of it all” GB cover story.

And, as Bethel itself is “predicting”, then expect JWs to have their “good news” turned to “bad news” as the GB blasphemously transforms their “message” into that so-called “hard-hitting judgment message” that “Satan’s system is coming to its complete end”.

WT quote (WT 07/15/2015, pg. 16, par. 9):

9 This will not be the time to preach the “good news of the Kingdom.” That time will have passed. The time for “the end” will have come! (Matthew 24:14) No doubt God’s people will proclaim a hard-hitting judgment message. This may well involve a declaration announcing that Satan’s wicked world is about to come to its complete end.

It will be the truth, in a way. Except JW org is the only “Satanic system” the MOL-internals are referring to. JWs will be out in the “tribulation of those days” just starting up (Dan11:41-43 global context), with that “hard-hitting judgment message” but only Bethel JW org is what will be going down entirely, aided by the GB Papal Bul which states this as well, to that same “JW org is going down JWs” effect itself. (Such as in that WT7/15/15, WT11/15/13 and all these “Bunker videos and Pied Piper “obey, obey, obey” teaching themes.

Except they won’t tell JW org is cursed by God, they will tell JWs it is “the end of the world, look no further!” as the covering delusion of 2Thess2:1-2 pricniple.

No one can just make up the reasons why JW org is even stating their own demise “soon, very soon” (WT7/15/15), they are indeed set to go down. (Dan8:13-14)

KEEP YOU EYES ON JWS, THIS SOAP OPERA WILL TAKE A DISASTROUS PHASE IN TIME. (Hence Matthew 24:25 to FLEE now! Judgment is coming, temple judgment first. (1Pet4:17; Zech3:1-5; Mal3:1-5; Dan8:13-14; Rev8:3-5 are all temple judgment parallels)


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I don’t know about the US and Britain being the KIng of the South anymore. It looks more like the Power struggle is between the Nationalists vrs the Globalists.. Which make me wonder Could Daniel 11:44 be happening now? Only to grow more if Trump gets in? (Daniel 11:44) 44 “But there will be reports that will disturb him, out of the sunrising and out of the north, and he will certainly go forth in a great rage in order to annihilate and to devote many to destruction.


It will be the process of Daniel 11:42-43 finalizing all control of “King South” (national system) gold and assets. It is all King North GLOBALIST controlled, all on purpose.

The “entry of the Decoration” goes into final culmination when they attack the JW org “soon, very soon” (WT7/15/15), as the GB is “foretelling”; but it is just a self-fulfilling prophecy, it is the temple judgment of Daniel 8:13-14 parallel in reality, Rev8:3-5. But they want JWs to think Russia is “new king north” and we are at Daniel 11:44 way prematurely, in time.

USSR never was “King North” nor will Russia be it. King NORTH is GLOBALIST. Russia [national system; “south”] are a globalist prop, and China and Russia [“south” national systems] will come under King North GLOBALIZATION 100% control over a final “sword stroke” global war cycle.

The final world war is set to “heal” into “ascending” world government (Rev11:7; Rev17:8-13), starting the related Isaiah 41 “let the nations regain power” sequence into full world government and “the [world] judgment”.

In “healing” mode, under world government emerging, is the final “world peace” and security claim.

While there are “wars” and “disorders” present, the end CANNOT come as plainly stated by Christ:

(Matthew 24:6) . . .YOU are going to hear of wars and reports of wars; see that YOU are not terrified. For these things must take place, but the end is NOT YET.

(Luke 21:9) 9 Furthermore, when YOU hear of wars and disorders, do not be terrified. For these things must occur first, but the end does NOT [occur] immediately.”

The time of the end is therefore not during peak wars and disorders even at global scale. Logically, it is in that final “world peace” and security period AFTER this period coming up.


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The King of the North is the USSR. The Watchtower came out with this truth some time ago and had pages and pages of “proof” that what they declared was true.

But…oh…wait…the USSR doesn’t exist anymore, does it? Oh, well, that IS a problem, isn’t it? Just one more failed “truth” for the JWs to deal with.



(Daniel 11:36) . . .And [King North] will certainly PROVE SUCCESSFUL until [the] denunciation will have come to a finish; because the thing decided upon must be done.

The USSR does NOT pass that test. The GLOBALIST “KING NORTH” system will, all the way to world government.

The USSR error baits JWs to think “Daniel 11:44 is next, it is the end brothers, look no further!” while JW org goes down, it is a smokescreen based on 2Thess2:1-2 premature “Jehovah’s day” DELUSION from the GB apostates.
[QUOTE who=”Irishdub”]BTG seen as *globalism* seems to be having a set back !
The bunkers may have to wait another generation ! ;$[/QUOTE]

Globalism is the main global force to “gather” nations, you can even swap the term right in perfectly:

(Revelation 16:13-16) And I saw three unclean inspired expressions [that looked] like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the wild beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 They are, in fact, expressions inspired by demons and perform signs, and they go forth to the kings of the entire inhabited earth, to GLOBALIZE them together to the war of the great day of God the Almighty. 15 “Look! I am coming as a thief. Happy is the one that stays awake and keeps his outer garments, that he may not walk naked and people look upon his shamefulness.” 16 And they GLOBALIZED them together to the place that is called in Hebrew Har–Magedon.

If you think the EU going into an abyss is a set-back, people will think that too when the UN goes into an abyss as well.

But both will come back in even more GLOBALIZED form for the “solution” of world government which will come from all these “disorders” (Luke21:9):

(Revelation 17:8) . . .The wild beast that you saw was, but is not, and yet is about to ascend out of the abyss, and it is to go off into destruction. And when they see how the wild beast was, but is not, and yet will be present, those who dwell on the earth will wonder admiringly, but their names have not been written upon the scroll of life from the founding of the world.

The greatest form of “power and authority” is that over wealth, which drives all other world power direction, now going into “scarlet wildbeast” world government control:

(Revelation 17:12-13) . . .“And the ten horns that you saw mean ten kings, who have not yet received a kingdom, but they do receive authority as kings one hour with the wild beast. 13 These have one thought, and so they give their power and authority to the wild beast.

They will complete world government, it is here for “one hour” in complete form after this tribualtion and world war cycle passes and “sword stroke got healed” into world government ascending from this overall abyss of seeming dysfunction.

It is all part of the King North GLOBALIST plan.


Babylon the Great Global Religious Complex Deposed Under Full World Government (Rev17:8-18)

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Real prophecy from God Almighty forecasts the end, from the start. It will, in the end, be a forecast that reflects world history.

The greatest conglomeration against God’s Kingdom would equate to a globally active real world government as far as the national histories which led to the completion of globalization.

Neither globalization nor capitalization are NOT endless processes, the latter empowered the former, which when complete in total “globalization” is as good as world government by total wealth (Dan11:42-43) and sovereign control. (Rev17:8-13)

Prophecy outlines the same power dynamics, formulaic cycles and signal milestones that also produce world government.

For example, the world war is a “global problem” phase, is never “the end”, but a “sword stroke” that “heals” into the next “solution”. (rev13:3; Rev17:8) The “gloabl solution” we are already beign primed to recieve is “world government”.

THAT entity is what triggers the arrival of the other party interested in taking this planet: The Messianic Kingdom of Christ. (Dan2:31-45)

The final world war is set to “heal” into “ascending” world government (Rev11:7; Rev17:8-13), starting the related Isaiah 41 “let the nations regain power” sequence into full world government and “the [world] judgment”.

In “healing” mode, under world government emerging, is the final “world peace” and security claim.

While there are “wars” and “disorders” present, the end CANNOT come as plainly stated by Christ:

(Matthew 24:6) you are going to hear of wars and reports of wars; see that YOU are not terrified. For these things must take place, but the end is NOT YET.

(Luke 21:9) Furthermore, when you hear of wars and disorders, do not be terrified. For these things must occur first, but the end does NOT [occur] immediately.”

The time of the end is therefore not during peak wars and disorders even at global scale as described in the above. Logically, it is in that final “world peace” and security period AFTER this period coming up. (1Thess5:1-3)

In all this, we are looking at 15 more years, minimum. It will take a “final epic battle” as George Bush Sr. put it, to install a full world government. The crash phase puts the national sovereignties into receivership by massive debt default. The “solution” comes in with total wealth control for a global recovery like you aint never seen. Yet.

We are at the start of the final major prophecy and world government producing cycle.

In elementary terms, all global sovereignty converges into world government. In prophecy, the symbology that depicts this convergence is the end point of all the major sovereign prophecies.

1. The WHOLE Daniel 2 “immense image” totality is world government.
2. The WHOLE Daniel 7 4th beast totality is world government.
3. The Daniel 8 “King Fierce” totality is world government.
4. The Daniel 11 “King North” is world government.
4. The Revelation 17 “scarlet wildbeast” and “8th King” totality is world government.

The various continuums just give more detail on national history, events, purposes and cycle details. Plus, we have solid national histories since Genesis 10 trackable in all those above prophecies as a whole to affirm the framework is valid overall, it is just not complete yet, we are at this time only at a final world war cycle phase portion. But we are getting closer to the end goal.

In prophecy and in the real world everything converges into “WORLD GOVERNMENT”.

All prophecy symbology converges into WORLD GOVERNMENT. That is the big milestone to be tracking. And it is simple, a child can understand the logic of this sovereign builup and the big meaning of this kind of final culmination, the “truth” becomes very very “generic” so many can be literally saved by this awareness come the time (Rev14:6-8) to CHOOSE Christ’s Kingdom or the so-called “New World Order”. Very simple.

Then the Heavy Weight Champ can show up for the big fight, when everyone and everything is all complete and ready for him. (Jesus Christ)

And show up he will.

But he always gives fair full warning, so expect a final warning to emerge in this final cycle. You’ll know it when it finally pops up before world government completes. (Rev11:3)


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I find it interesting this Globalist disintegration will actually unite the the world even more in their independence and individuality. The other form the EU/NWO was just to prep/condition the people to appreciate the supporting of their nation state thus supporting the 10 horns either way.

The world system is HUGE; It will take a global hierarchy from globalist down to national subservient aids (“united” nations), them “ten kings” as in human complete number of all nations. (Rev16:13-16) That is why KN Globalist-elites start this reinforcing for KS [national]-elites like this:

(Daniel 11:39b) Whoever has given [KN] recognition he will make abound with glory, and KN will actually make them (national-elites) rule among many;

Because this is the world government hierarchy, which also uses that same globalist-to-nationalist arrangement:

(Revelation 17:12-13) . . .“And the ten horns that you saw mean ten kings (national-elites), who have not yet received a kingdom (at John’s time, now they are national leaders), but they do receive authority as (world government) kings one hour WITH the wild beast. (world government) 13 These have one thought (sovereign exercise and preservation), and so they give their (national) power and authority to the (GLOBALIST) wild beast. (to accomplish real global world government)

So to rule a global-system the “8th King”/”King North” needs a concerted help from the subservient “united nations” “ten [national] kings], made subservient 100% in Daniel 11:42-43 and fully Rev16:13-16 “gathered” by globalization to meet that world government task, for the world is HUGE.

GLOBALIZATION TO COMPLETION DEFINES WORLD GOVERNMENT BASIS. GLOBALIZATION is the main “gathering” global-force of Revelation 16:13-16.

That SIGNAL “one hour” divinely allowed final period of sovereign defiance of God’s Kingdom MUST be marked with something that starts it. Though it is symbolic, it is the shortest rival rulership of all time, it has to be marked by WORLD GOVERNMENT COMPLETE, STATED (1Thess5:1-3) and in GLOBALLY KNOWN COMPLETION. (Dan11:45; Dan8:25; Rev13:15-18; Dan2 total “immense image” as world government; Rev17:11-13)

They will “prove successful” all the way to “one hour” world government, then “the denunciation will come to a finish” (Dan11:36c), because Christ arrives in their “world peace” and security period, not in the “wars and reports of wars” phase. Christ arrives in the parallel “freedom from care” (same as “peace and security” phase) of Daniel 8:25.

That si the “four winds” (Matt24:31; Rev7:1-4), as world government also goes into global-depopulation mode “bring many to ruin”, DURING “a freedom from care”, because the “tribulation of those days” will have run its course to “sword stroke got healed”, instead, BEFORE that world government completion triggers Christ arrival.

This tribulation cycle coming WILL resolve naturally (Rev24:29-31), not “cut short” by God directly yet, into world government as per Revelation 13:3 and 17:8 and 11:7 “ascension” of the “scarlet wildbeast” world government.

Then, all is complete (Rev10:5-8), then Christ can arrive for the sovereign battle of the “war of the great day of God the Almighty”, Har-Magedon, to complete the final process, sheep-sweep first (Matt24:31), goat wipeout last. (Rev14:14-20; Matt25:31-46)

By that time a full final warning will have emerged (Rev9-11) because Jehovah’s witnesses approved will have been recovered (Dan8:13-14; Zech3:1-10; Rev9) to carry it out, and all prophecy and world development processes to world government will have fully completed exactly as outlined and foretold in prophecy.

The “seven trumpets” (parallel seven plagues) is the final gauge of all these events.

We have many ways of mapping this in prophecy, and ALL of it harmonizes in exact cross-referenceable agreement to know the final milestones that precede the Christ arrival (such as “successful” world government completion). That eventual “second witnessing” (Rev10-11:1-7) furnishes a complete final summary for many people to be saved by believing (2Thess1:6-10) BEFORE world government completes, and thus before the Christ arrival of all time in Rev19:11-21 Messianic Kingdom “King of kings” mode.

…at the time he comes to be glorified in connection with his holy ones and to be regarded in that day with wonder in connection with all those who exercised faith, because the witness we gave met with faith among YOU. (2 Thessalonians 1:10)


[QUOTE who=”jsmith”]<quoted text>
What a joke. You make idiotic irrational superstitious unsubstatntiated claims based on moronic numerology and an untestable premise of a deity that contradicts physics, and you calim that I’m the one making exceptional claims. You need serious psychiatric help.[/QUOTE]

There is affirmed trackable in progress national development to world government since Genesis 10. It is defensible, far from moronic. If you can’t comprehend it, then perhaps you are the moron you speak of.

Daniel 2,7,8,11-12, Rev13 and 17 is a small portion of this national-to-globalized process outline that can be affirmed by history. You don’t need to be a prophet or a rocket scientist to understand them few pages outline known national development global power struggles which converge into a final world war which produces the world government “final solution”.

Controlling nations requires superior force, the world government is a natural progression of order to meet that end, for uncontrolled nations work against the benefit of all people, so they will be pawned by a world war that will break them to the point the globalists will be the only “solution” left.

It’s pretty simple to understand, but not for morons.

World government results from this final world war, and you can try to accept it when they come to stamp you 666 as their property requiring you bend knee to the globalist wildbeast, if you can make it that far.

In time Jehovah’s witnesses, after coming desolations for apostasy and rampant lawlessness in the JW org takeover and downfall will be carrying this same message, so you may get a recap if you can survive the world war phase coming up.

One cannot escape a God forecasted final cycle unfolding exactly as specified in those final prophecies. Try as you might you will be caught in the global sweep, because there is no easy way out. I understand these things are fearful to many, hence their cognitive dissonance in the face of convincing evidence to try to escape every step of the way. It is understandable, you aren’t paranoid, they are indeed coming for you too.

The more you fight, the tighter the trap becomes. You’ll see what I mean in time. The moron’s escape plan is not the wise choice.


[QUOTE who=”Newtonian”]Bethel judgment – On your post 206

Of course we are non-governmental (NGO) as far as the world of mankind is concerned.


Well last I checked JWs represented God’s government. Saying you are “non-governmental” is not true. So they got JWs even denying the represent Christ’s government?

Can you see the problem with this “ngo” claim?

They have JWs denying the Kingdom of God affiliation. The Christian congregation is a governmental organiztion of God’s Kingdom, to claim otherwise is a slick blasphemy from the King North GB. (Dan11:32a)

They left the Kingdom covenant, now they want all JWs to do likewise, and as of now JWs are following this apostate course like the lemmings of the GB Fried Pipers.

You best take a true and honest look at the state of modern Jehovah’s witnesses, it is NOT in any “right condition”. Yet. (Dan8:13-14)

The Governing Body is leading (Dan11:32a) a JW apostate revolt is what they are doing. (Dan11:30b)
They will not make it past the 1150 days of Daniel 8:13-14. You’ll see then.

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Yes as the Watchtower says : ” we will do all the research for you”. Or in other-words, “we will decide what is the truth”.

But as from my perspective, in the case of Google and such entities who are connected to the establishment, they do not want you to have the truth.


In time they will filter the whole web. It will just take the right set of global events, then they will do a clean sweep of truth, and install the lies as the “authority”.

The Web is the last place of open information, even if now in limited form, it is pretty comprehensive.

Thus they must also target this zone, it is a threat to them.

They just need to wait until the world war phase to do so. It is a big clamp down on everything, in all the nations to be affected. They will down the JW org, so we will have s sign this is speculation, they are going to move towards world government.

They are the truth removal machine.


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see?……… thats the whole problem right there, mr bethel-twoshoes2034
you gotta quit checking with satan.!!!!!

god’s government and temple don’t show up on the earth till the new jerusalem comes down from heaven after the marriage and after the blood bath finalli….. rev 19; 19- 21….. rev 21; 1, 2

the two witnesses don’t build a temple.. rev 11; 3…… hehehehe.

the 7 lampstands are still here, and they are just various congregations who don’t rule.
rev 1; 20 ……. the lord’s day !!!!

you are going to be in your temple soon, mr betheldudiepoopies…….. cleansing it and sitting down it it……… 2 thess 2; 3, 4 ……….. he sits down in the temple proclaiming himself to be THE GOD.

but the constant feature is going upward to the throne…….. matt 24; 31
then the restraint will be gone, and you can sit in your temple and cleanse it .

up up and away, in my beautiful, my beautiful balloon.

have fun sitting down in the temple mr bethel-dudie.


So the world is to be informed of your jimmy-rigged synopsis? In any event, a “second witness” comes before world government and thus before the Christ arrrival for a final 1260 days, after the timing of Daniel 8:13-14 to come first on JWs.

Our latest MOL aberration will be “revealed” in JWs, because MOL is now concentrating on JWs, and is using their own “clergy class” and GB to accomplish this final signal apostasy. (Dan11:32a)

The “Governing Body” thing originates from Christendom’s own use of an authoritarian central “supreme council”, which derives from how Babylon Mystery Religions were also managed.

JWs have a final “Babylonian influence” to expose after God destroys them, and to remove for good, its exposure is part of the final warning process. There is no question God will destroy the GB by means of the Destroyer. The GB never was Biblical, it is a clergy-like collective Pope is all it is.

And just look what they did to JWs since after 1976, it is a TOTAL APOSTASY now!

Your “witchy woman” quackery aint gonna fly, I can tell you that, it will also be exposed as lawless, but of far less significance because so far only you believe it, even your cat has doubts.


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Name one thing they accurately predicted in advance that nobody else saw in advance


1. They foretold the failure of the League of Nations
2. They foretold the emergence of a League 2, which became the UN.

Try this one for the future:

*** Know Jehovah chap. 19 p. 357 par. 20 Defeat Awaits Attack by Nations under Gog ***

They should not be surprised that they will have the whole world of mankind under Satan the Devil against them. Not amazed should they be even if military dictatorship world wide came.

But now MOL slipped into JW leadership, so they could foretell the UN will fail, again, to re-emerge as world government after this final world war ends.

Instead, MOL seeded in JW failures so people only look at their false prophecies, to discredit the JW ministry. Now their final false prophecy is this “the end” JWs are expecting way too soon. (2Thess2:1-2) That too will fail, for the “sword stroke” repeats, and resolves, and is healed to present the world government solution.

JWs get scattered for a little while. (Zech13:7; Zech11; Dan11:41)

But that’s all they get, God removes them (Dan8:13-14 parallel Zech3:1-5), and JWs will foretell 8th King UN based WORLD GOVERNMENT BEFORE IT ARRIVES, for it triggers the Christ arrival.

They will probably rename the whole thing in catchy “grandiose words” manner, but the world will try sell it as “God’s kingdom on earth everyone! Everyone bend knee to the wildbeast!”


YES-Jesus WAS once known as Michael

Here is the logical run down of why The Main Angel was first introduced to the Jews in close form since their exodus from Egypt. IF they kept following that angel like they were supposed to do, in time he would lead them to Christ, for he became the human Christ of God, from his leading angelic form. It is the same “Angel”. Makes sense it would be so. (Heb1)

He was leading the Jews in more ways than one, to the “new covenant”, and beyond.

The Jews knew of him from way back, for when he came into human form to lead them further, the Jews with faith knew exactly who he was, he was the same person after all, one of them wrote the book of Hebrews for Hebrews who needed help to continue following the Angel of God and the Angel of the New Covenant.

That is why the Archangel becoming human makes perfect sense today, and even more sense if you were one of those Jews whose forefathers began the journey that Angel has been leading for God Almighty. That is why there is a Michael-to-Jesus-Christ continuum that will never be broken, for it is the truth, plainly stated here:

(Isaiah 63:7-9) The loving-kindnesses of Jehovah I shall mention, the praises of Jehovah, according to all that Jehovah has rendered to us, even the abundant goodness to the house of Israel that he has rendered to them according to his mercies and according to the abundance of his loving-kindnesses. 8 And he went on to say: “Surely they are my people, sons that will not prove false.” So it was to them that he came to be a Savior. 9 During all their distress it was distressing to him. And his own personal messenger saved them. In his love and in his compassion he himself repurchased them, and he proceeded to lift them up and carry them all the days of long ago. (to the Christian era, to today; it is the same one)

He even literally “repurchased” them by becoming a perfect human sacrifice so some can follow Christ to heaven, and beyond.

Just keep following him, he ain’t done and he ain’t lost like some of the people on this forum. Follow him ALL THE WAY!

Get it?


[QUOTE who=”wow”]Well I’m a studying witness and I believe what I have learned!!!! This is the truth and u people should be ashamed of yourself!!!! We all r imperfect and fall short in many ways!!! To call them a cult is ignorance on ur part we give glory to Jehovah no earthly man!!! The elders don’t sit above anyone else like ur traditional churches!!!! We only asked for forgiveness from the Lord and if there was any sexual assault it would be on that person not the organization so before you start with the insults you should learn more about them they are wonderful organization loving brothers and sisters [/QUOTE]

I think its is time you admit the GB harbors and protects child rapists. It is what ti is, they help the predators roam the halls looking for vulnerable tweeners and younger.

Pedophile love JWs, because it si open season, no bag limit, as far as the GB Rapists are concerned. You’ll get sepcial protection from the GB and elders, and you can rape the child again in the JC if you are ever even caught.

This is why it’s from Jehovah of Armies that Caesar’s Legal Armies will be taking over Bethel “soon, very soon” (WT7/15/15) and deposign that organized crime unit.

It aint the “end of the world” like they suckered JWs to think to haox them in this JW org downfall process, it is justice coming from God on Bethel’s apostasy and ciminal overlordship of JWs. (Dan8:13-14)

It will be timed fro 3.19 years JW org destructions, so you can watch it on CNN, and you can verify the time phase later. It is temple judgment, it begins Revelation 8 in the final Revelation 8-11 final fulfillment cycle of the “second witness”.

A final warning will emerge from the JW smoke and ashes. (Rev9; Zech3:1-8)

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IHV YOU ARE FULL OF CRAP i necer discussed that stupid stuff you all posted on dan 8.. what i wanted to do was discuss the 70 week dan prophecy and not one of you cowards whated to do that…

and if you think i ma going to try to find a discussion you are lying about you are nuttieer thatn a fruitcake..


YOUR GOD KILLED HIS FIRST SON AND YOU REFUSE TO ADMIT IT.. and you cant tell us how mikey rose since he didnt die on that cross


The final application of the last week is the 1260 days and 1290 days of Daniel 12:7 and 12:11.

The whole week is open for salvation. At the half of the week, the end of the 1260 days, the constant feature “gift offering” is removed as per Revelation 11:1-7 in the future.

After that final warning is ceased the “3.5 day” “death” state is the last symbolic period to transpire in a very short period (Rev11:7-10) to the Christ arrival (Rev11:11-12) in the 1290 days just beginning made active by constant feature cessation and world government “disgusting thing” placed. (Dan12:11)

That starts Revelation 14 which transpires the 1290 days remainder of the “week”, same as the 0ne week allowance before the flood.

The 1335 days begins with the completion of Revelation 14:17-20.

The point is the 1260 days and 1290 days “week” is all open for salvation.

Hey StarTemple,
I am reading through your older threads from 6/15 and 12/15. I appreciate the valuable insight you have provided and to be honest, I don’t think it was given the discussion it warranted.

I joined in 11/15 and really did not latch on to your topic in your thread, “Islam Puppet of the NWO: The Purpose…” at the time of its posting.

Where did you find your sources, and are you willing to PM them to me? It is for the purpose of my own thread (which pales in comparison to your well-written posts) for which I am gathering information.
Thanks and God Bless!

1. I don’t really have sources, I was in too much of a rush to do a real research paper. But many of these themes are explored in more than one globalism research area out there.

2. Be patient with this forecast, it takes a number of years all the way to world government and after to be affirmed. It is a very long range forecast, and not a “doomsday” type thing, but the opposite; I think “doomsday” is just a global psychological scare tactic to stall progress as the “problem” phase of the final “problem” “reaction” “solution” cycle runs its course over world war to instead, recovery and the world government “solution” by aid of psychological extortion.

3. Sorry for the late reply, glad I popped in, so I give you a whole background context to view the Islam-versus-Israel/Christian Crusade sub-dialectic within.

Hello Lady,

My main source, is the sovereign prophecies of Daniel2,7,8, 11-12, Rev13,17 which provide the approximated order of the main milestone steps to world government. (But I will tell you some books I came across over the last 25 years of study of this in “macro” style focus, meaning the bigger picture of the globalization trend, which stated some principles to look for. And as you know sites like this, Alex Jones, and many others, are now systematically exposing the formulas and principles at work to produce world government. I don’t really have a source that is not already an explored concept of usually a number of greater authorities on these things than me. But, you know, sometimes authorities in research get too micro-focused when a bigger picture is being defined in which their area of focus is fitting into.)

Now as far as those small prophecies in Daniel and Revelation, that is only a page or two altogether as regards post-Roman Anglo system development, from know Babylon and Greek benchmarks in Daniel. Meaning we can trace this development since Genesis 10. But at this time, due to religious stall and subversions, we need to get up to date as far as the national progress to world government since 1990, and the target “power and authority” sovereign transformation from the current precarious nation-state mishmash, to fully globalized world government.

Prophecy actually targets the main driving world power dynamics as well as globalism research, they are actually in harmony because they are telling the same story in real world progress to world government; such as financial/asset control (Dan11:42-43), which guides sovereign control (Rev17:11-13) and military control (Joel3:9-12). Thus the economic/financial control occurs before sovereign control, as we are now plainly seeing in the global financial meltdown setup to meet that first objective. (Meaning the financial and debt meltdown cycle has to occur first, we are at Daniel 11:42-43, not Daniel 11:44-45 yet.)

They need to secure wealth control past 70% they are at now, because that guides the rest of the fueling of the process.

All the major power points are at around the same percentage, during this final world war cycle:

+/-70% oil control will go to 100%
+/-70% military control will go to 100%
+/-70% global financial control will go to 100%
+/-70% nation-state government control will go to 100%
+/-70% gold control will go to 100%
+/-70% earthly control will go to 100%

And so on. When at even 90%, the rest will fall in, that empowers a true world government.

For example, they will not produce the “solution” in the crisis period, but in the recovery period of the whole thing, when this final world war is “miraculously” “resolved”; all as per formula, btw. And that is what Revelation 13:3 and Isaiah 41:1 are also illustrating. What I mean is, prophecy actually contains the same main driving global-power dynamics as the real globalist engine. (And I mean in all the areas we need to pay attention to which have emergent globalism research to demonstrate the principle, it is all in parallel harmony in overall principle.)

Those overall prophecy continuums provide the parallel continuum to the end goal as a complete “8th Kingdom” composed of a final convergence of them all. (Rev17:8-18) Aka, world government.

And this is getting so predictable, the generic truth of it all has already transcended the stalled and infiltrated religious corporate complex, they are only here to stall us, and to aid the future impression that this cycle is “doomsday” and “simply the end, look no further”, expect “rapture”, all just emotional hype and diversions. (Now the bigger goal is to discredit the entire prophecy complex by failures of premature expectations, because all these hyped up fear mongering tactics will end up falling flat. They are here to distract and paralyze (2Thess2:1-2), and make people predictable and thus more controllable;)

I accept that they will be successful in the world government goal eventually (Dan11:36c), so I do not get stalled with many who think world government is impossible. (It is the culmination of the globalization process, which is not an endless process, it has a goal. Globalization is the main driving philosophy and force of the “gathering the nations” of Revelation 16:13-16, as an example of how these concepts are in harmony with each other.

So I consider that “prophecy outline” as the guide to then find secular global information that fits the formulaic patterns and circumstances laid out in prophecy as simple as possible in its symbology. (For example, the now well explained “Hegelian Dialectic” is a common formula in minor and major crisis “problem” cycles to effect required changes by molding attempted unanimous consensus “reaction” to the intended target “solution” which tested, tried and true formula explained fully, has come from a number of globalism researchers; It will fit the pattern this time too, it is the main “formulaic” “cycle” principle to be aware of, it will repeat in the future in mega-scale as well with the final world war as the major “problem” crisis phase.)

In fact, that same formula is also shown at Revelation 13:3 and Revelation 17:8 in which case the “healing” parallel of th world government “ascension” inspires great global “admiration”, it is a “sword stroke” “problem” for the global “admiration” “reaction” to be focused on the wildbeast world government “solution” in then final form.

Thus, that global “admiration” is then directed to the “solution” whose Bible symbology is “wild beast” world government, when this formula is used in final form in the future. The reason many Christian researchers will not make this simple final connection, is that corporate complex is stalled from within, they don’t “rock the boat”, they help paddle the main delusions and discrediting processes.

Both methods of illustrating the dialectic from secular or prophetic sources is in harmony, because they describe a real globalism formulaic process now well demonstrated in WW1, WW2, and Cold WW3, and about to repeat in final form. That is how we know they sell world government in the “healing” “recovery” mode of the final world war being resolved (Rev13:3) into that “world peace” and security clue in 1 Thess5:1-3.

(It is not the first time they have used this trick)

See, after they scare the hell out of everyone with a “world war” “doomsday” that will NOT occur to total global dysfunctional “obliteration”, only “as though” “slaughtered to death” (Rev13:3) only an impression of doom, then they transform that global horror atmosphere into a supercharged globally positive atmosphere of global recovery, all on purpose for this finally globally-hopeful effect. The psychologically negative energy of the “doomsday” scare, is then channeled to the most hopeful global-recovery of all human history to sell world government in a positive upswing phase. (1Thess5:1-3) It’s like thinking you got cancer, and then finding out you don’t, one is then as happy and relived as they were depressed formerly.

For former major examples of this “world-war-to-world-government” formulaic cyclic dialectic that resulted in a UN presentation as the “solution” in the “peace” upswing, we can look at the three cycles and resolutions of WW1 (1914-1919), WW2 (1939-1945), and the Cold WW3 (1947-1990) expansion cycle. ALL of them ran a scare (Cold War just used the threat of “Atomic War”, it was a cold cycle; Dan11:29), that is then resolved into a hopeful UN “we need peace” pitch as actually 3 steps so far, to world government, UN1-2-3. This final cycle, is the final “step” to the complete world government objective, UN1-2-3-4.

(I am really surprised no one has made this easy UN1-2-3-4 connection, at least that I have come across, I even emailed the outline of the gist of this pattern to a couple globalism exposing magazines on-line, but no response. You can use anything here, it is fully public domain as far as I am concerned, I just want the info to go out, you know)

I say this thing about patterns and principles guiding them because the world’s researchers have revealed some extremely important principles to grasp, such as this “problem” “reaction” “solution” formula, that we MUST be on the look out for in the future. This next world war cycle will converge a unique array of “problems” never experienced in such comprehensiveness ever, as the “world war” cycle itself will be the umbrella “problem” final cycle phase container. I also accept they will do a final “epic battle” as George Bush Sr. foretold in that 1990 period of his speeches. Now had I not wanted to consider world war, or world government, of course is would not get this far, as some are stalled by that psychological diversion which I understand why some people do hope this will not happen, but it will, it is a tried and true globalist formulaic cycle process that they MUST use to sell their world government con job.)

Thus, altogether, we no longer need to rely on prophecy alone to “predict” the intended outcome of this final global cycle. Its outcome is the same UN centric presentation, but this time the “solution” is world government for real. The UN is just the “executive branch” of world government and its globally seen international forum and nucleus of development, but we are also seeing the financial, corporate and military conglomeration to all be part of world government also maturing in this process of final power consolidations that will complete over the duration of this final cycle.

By UN1-2-3 to 1990, it is now easy to predict UN1-2-3-4 by use of this final cycle requirement understanding. It means the globalist have become predictable like never before in post 1914/WW1 history.

BUT because we have a major social, religious (Crusade vs. Jihad thing), military, financial, corporate and political “crisis” and “conflict” phase all culminating at the same time, this time, exacerbating each other, the “solution” this time will be HUGE in intended “reaction” to guide people to the globalist intended HUGE “solution”.

Make no mistake, this comprehensive scale of crisis and destabilization as described in just those major areas of intended conflict and upheaval is strikingly UNIQUE. This has NEVER happened all at once like this before with a world war all at once. It’s “divide and conquer” effect will be complete and total, is what it means, and each area will have a final “solution” as intended to be accepted by all the world, all packaged into one world government panacea.

We need to recognize none of the previous world war cycles were this volatile in comprehensive upheaval of EVERYTHING “old world order” related. This one is going to be HUGE, BUT, it will also recover, sit tight and be patient, don’t get spooked out, they want to scoop up the street borne revolters first.

Now this “forecast” is the longest range forecast out there that I have seen (I looked at a few Christian based forecasts, etc). I am NOT a “doomsdayer”, I say they will recover that “doomsday” impression for their positive upswing use, and that is when they will sell the whole world government package and its “solution” to all these targets of destabilization.

And as far as Bible based prophecy forecasts, this is also the longest range forecast I have come across. I am not buying the premature expectations of “doomsday” or rapture which detour one from the longer range continuum. AND it is an open salvation message, ANYONE on Earth can chose to worship God (Rev14:6-8) INSTEAD of the NWO world government total decoy counterfeit. ANYONE can chose the super Kingdom of “King of kings” INSTEAD of lame banker run human world government; ANYONE, and the choice will be offered (Rev14:6-8). The “doomsday” is for the world government rivals at the very end of the whole prophetic cycle, not the general population, they are the ones who need to be saved from the hand of the final depopulation agenda of these demon elites.

So I feel the big “salvation” and divine defender message, is positive and realistic. No need to add to people’s fears, but to tell them the only real solution is the total removal of world government human controllers, and their “spirit” demonic masters, in one fell swoop by superior divine forces. And ONLY God and his chosen coming universal ruler “King of kings” can get rid of these monsters, and they will, its a divine promise to do so. People on their own, not even whole national blocs, can stop these globalists because they are aided by super human intelligence and entities who are very real. (Dan8:24)

There is nothing wrong, and everything right about placing all trust and hope in God the Almighty. They want to discredit him, and they use religious fanaticism to undermine people’s faith in God. It does not change the reality God is real, and his will will be done on this planet even for the benefit of the ants (Matt6:10; Eze47:9), he is not partial, all living things are of great value in his eyes, and he will restore all things dead, back to life, not just humans, this is a total unified life system, the ants are as needed as humans or anything else. (Matt19:28; Isa34:14-17; Rom8:18-22; Rev21-22; Eze47)

Generic truth is what is forming in the simplest of forms because logically a global world government final claim precedes their final agenda, and that agenda is not good. That will trigger the true King of the Universe, in terms of faith that is both God and Jesus Christ from the Christian perspective. (Rev1:7-8)

But those religions have all been stalled at their last point of progress. For most of Christendom that all ends in the Greek era for Daniel’s prophecy and at Rome for the Revelation continuums, but in fact it has progressed in easily verifiable Anglo-American national to globalist progress to the world government goal. Jehovah’s witnesses had taken it to UN 2.0 in 1945 and made the Anglo-American national progress connection extending from the Roman world power era. That is where they are stalled too. In 1990 they failed at UN 3.0 in “New World Order” mode and rather than explain that too is a major “disgusting thing” prophecy (Dan11:31; Dan8:23), they adjoined as UN NGO into a UN partnership. What we know from this is they have been infiltrated (dan11:32a; Dan8:12) and their “Governing Body” developmental coup from 1976 is the means by which they are under opposing system control.

(To verify this claim, just wait and see what comes upon the “Worldwide Organization of Jehovah’s Witnesses”, it will go into a true global corporate takeover and liquidation process which you can verify in the future, and it starts first with the global cycle. Because they were the furthest prophetic commentary had been taken to, they are the object of the temple judgment of Daniel 8:13-14 which initial 1150 days of “the evening” you can personally time and verify with the desolating developments to come on the WTBTS and JWorg.

I tell you this, because when that future signal milestone is passed, the rest of this forecast will follow the same prophetic route of the “seven trumpets” activating in parallel. (The Revelation 8 first four trumpets mark the temple judgment process I am talking about.

I know this may sound speculative and “crazy” at this time, but that is why Daniel 8:13-14 is timed and phased for full verification later, and its global visible cue will be the cancellation of the JW ministry and the downfall of their organization in corporate legal dissolution; it is a globalist coup on JWs in reality, you know, to attempt to fully shut them up, and to try to prevent them from making these easy updates. Now, even JW “Bethel”, that is their ministerial headquarters, is themselves priming JWs for this downfall (WT 7/15/15; 11/15/13). Their method of subterfuge will be to use of the premature “the end” delusion (2Thess2:1-2) as the “cover story” for the WTBTS global coup.

The infiltrated JW leadership will cloak this corporate downfall in a hoax “end of the world” claim, which many JWs will accept until it becomes undeniable “the end” will not arrive as soon as expected (that takes a few years, hence Daniel 8:14). In that process of progressive disappointing awareness among JWs (which takes time), they will be organizationless, scattered, bankrupted, some trapped and herded for capture in all who follow their “Pied Piper” leaders, that is what the globalist intel will attempt to do to scattered JWs.

(But in time (Dan8:14), there will be a recovery, that eventually forms a final opportunity announcement a final warning of 1260 days; (Dan7:25; Dan12:7; Rev11:1-7; Rev12:14; Rev13:5-7) I state this so you can verify all this over say the 6 years that follow the start of the full blown JW org takeover phase, which is going to begin soon.)

Now the benefit of a very “long range” forecast, is along the way the milestones will become verifiable, and because it is no slam dunk but proceeds over a number of identifiable steps and milestones to world government, it will start to get so obvious for some, even some skeptics will seriously consider that eventual final warning, because in time JWs will be speaking this same forecast, which I tell you now for your own future verification you will be able to fully test to see if this is not a valid projection. Just be patient, give it a chance.

The point is ANYONE becoming aware of the meaning of all these strange events, can be preserved when the world power balance shifts to the indomitable one who is coming after they are done with their world government final culminated sovereign rival system, and try to go into their final agenda phase. The divine goal is not to destroy people, but to deliver them as the foundational society of the start of the 1000 Year Reign, eye-witnesses of this period for future reference. The divine goal is yes, to destroy that evil rival oppressor world government. (Dan2:31-45; Rev19:11-21; Rev20:1-3; Dan8:25; Dan11:45)

So a “great crowd”, a lot of people even stuck in all kinds of oppressive conditions and religions, can be freed in that Revelation 17:13-18 (Rev18 gives it in detail) sovereign deposition process as that parallel results in the Revelation 14:6-8 angelically backed confrontation-for-salvation-choice with all people (Rev18:4) as the big salvation offer is extended by the only one who can personally confront all people of planet Earth with that guaranteed salvation offer, Christ. (Matt10:23) Part of the goal of destroying the global religious complex of oppression is to free some final minds and people for salvation. (Rev11:13; Rev14:6-8; Rev18:4) Some people cannot be freed until their mental prisons literally come crashing down around them, then they can think for themselves, they have no other choice.

Plus this is so complex and complicated, some people have to be “assessed” as to their basic nature, he aint going to kill someone just because they have not really met the guy yet! (I mean plainly evil people yes, your average Joe who slipped through the cracks, but is not predatory, no. Why? The King is going to be taking over with a 100 billion angels plus, there will be plenty of time and perfect conditions to bring anyone “up to speed” faster than anything this world can offer. Seeing is believing as well. Why kill them? I mean if they are cool, there is no point, they’ll catch on very fast.

This means Jesus Christ will complete the very ministry he began, but by DIRECT angelic means, hence Revelation 14. It means “sheep” are secured first (Rev14:14-16; Matt25:31-40), before the full sovereign confrontation with the forces and demons behind world government, and that in that Daniel 12:11 final open salvation period this is all leading to. Thus Revelation 14:6-7 is called “everlasting good news” because it really is “good news”, and it is not dependent on religions, but on faith and what we are as people at the core (Rev14:12; Rev11:13; Rev14:14-16) because even “non-believers” are assessed as to their basic real nature, it is the most basic from of assessment:

(Romans 2:12-16) For instance, all those who sinned without law will also perish without law; but all those who sinned under law will be judged by law. 13 For the hearers of law are not the ones righteous before God, but the doers of law will be declared righteous. 14 For whenever people of the nations that do not have law do by nature the things of the law, these people, although not having law, are a law to themselves. 15 They are the very ones who demonstrate the matter of the law to be written in their hearts, while their conscience is bearing witness with them and, between their own thoughts, they are being accused or even excused. 16 This will be in the day when God through Christ Jesus judges the secret things of mankind, according to the good news I declare.

So helpful non-predatory people, no matter who or what they are will be preserved as the least common denominator of the “world judgment” assessment is just a divine assessment of what we are at the core, what are we really about? Helping or harming? (Matt25:31-40) Predatory people are not needed, especially not in the 1000 year reign, but by that time we know these kinds of things, we know good and evil behavior patterns, and it is God’s call not humans, anyways. So we can concentrate on the big global open salvation positivity of the offer as the priority “message”, now sorely neglected by religions.

It has to come out in the fullest context of when this will fully emerge as Rev11:1-13, and Rev14:6-7. Religions use the negative judgment aspects because fear is their main controlling device to keep their hands in peoples pockets, and to keep those pockets in the pews scared to death. Hence the “hell fire” scam, and the imbalanced attention given to negative judgment ideations. They glue people in with fear, and make them dependent on the “middle men” who makes billions off of these poor people they are milking. Corporate Christianity is a multi-billion dollar fear extortion RACKET, no joke.

Now once we know the big “Hegelian Dialectic” cycle is the world war “sword stroke” phase to be globally “healed” eventually, everything else like the Israel vs. Islam sub-dialectic, the financial crash dialectic, etc, will play out for the benefit of the larger formulaic cycle, the world war cycle and it leading to the big world government “hero” “savior” “solution”. That is how we can know both Israel the prop and Islam the prop are controlled for the final intended global effect, like a big play, to synergize for the whole “reaction” effect globally, for its applicable “audience”. Of course the conquest of Islam first, will reinforce the “world peace” credibility as well.

Because infiltrated Christendom and the “Israel” prop are required to sell world government to the full extent of their deceptive purpose, the Christendom complex goes down under world government after total completion and after they have served the full “accept world government as the “kingdom of god” everyone” decoy reinforcement system. I only speculate the conquest of Islam will dovetail into world government before it completes, as a big “peace” boost effect, I do not know. But China and Russia will submit as well, in time, there is also a big political sub-dialectic going on as well where they will in time endorse the NWO “solution” too, it is all a set up to give credibility to world government.

The Islam bobber is just the state control device to help mark the Middle East 100% takeover process as well. What I know is, as per Revelation 17:18, religious sovereignty is also deposed within that larger national-sovereign deposition process of Revelation 17:11-18. (This is in harmony with the “one world religion” globalism researchers information overall.)

That is why all of these mega-crisis complexes are forming in one big world war cycle shell, for them to offer the world government solution to all of these “problem” areas, in one big world government complex “solution” panacea.

In a basic principle, the enemy system MUST use decoys which are presented before the Christ arrival. EVERYTHING in their pantheon of deception is playing a part. Israel is a decoy, world government will be paralleled with the “kingdom of god” prophecy claims, hence the need for Israel to “win” in the end to make it look like prophecy, but it is all a decoy to try to give spiritual credibility to the world government entity. Ultimately Satan and the demons will play the “Christ and his angels” “arrival” decoy part, as Satan is ultimately the “King” “from the remotest parts of the north” (celestial reference; Eze38-39) to be the eventual full focus of world government’s top authority.

The “doomsday” fear,” rapture” and premature delusion complex is how they keep baiting people like suckers to their intended next step to the decoy presentation. Because many elements in the Christian complex of prophecy are actually they truth, they take those truths and apply them too soon and to counterfeit entities. Thus, truths, misarranged and misapplied, are a huge part of their complex of guiding deceptions to the decoy system entities instead. (In the process, the “false prophecies” become too much for some people to bear, so they discredit the whole “Christian prophecy” thing for some, but the die-hards just keeping following the next carrot in the misleading process, some won’t diverge.

The Christian and Israel “become victorious” camp will always have some followers. (Thus, the eventual deposition of all religions actually helps some of these people finally accept the real reality of the situation, and it occurs in the process of the salvation sweep of the friendly “holy angels”, hence the Revelation 14:6-8 sequence meaning and timing.

As seen on this site, the elites all almost openly worship Satan, it is weaved into all their media offerings. In time they will come out fully. I do not know how fully, but it would be in that world government period. The reason I do not know how fully they emerge, is then the real King arrives, there full agenda is cut short, at what point I do not know. But had their been no Christ and God, this planet would be transformed into a 100% Satanic worship society in time (like Genesis 6 period had become), THAT is the goal in the human elite mind.

Now the period preceding world government will be the “tribulation of those days” (Matt24:29-31), it will be “rock the nations” to wake some people up (Hag2:7), it will be the first four plagues (Rev16:1-9) in the Daniel 11:42-43 context of global power transition transformation. BUT, once they are in world government 100% control of everything, including a true Global NATO, and the whole advanced energy and technology system, THEN is when it gets far more dangerous than the period leading to that final consolidation of power.

That is why it is at that time there will be a divine intervention in the Christ arrival, it will be required “or no flesh would be saved”, (Matt24:21-22) The depopulation evidence research tells us part of the reason why that period is so dangerous, it defines the “four winds” of Rev7:1-4 and Matthew 24:31, that is the last phase of the “great tribulation” process as far as their means of creating it, it is the phase that must be “cut short”, while under full world government “one hour” of Rev17:12. The “tribulation of those days” is the “problem” phase of the whole “great tribulation” process, it helps the “solution” go into full power, once in full power they are even more dangerous, and so on. (That is why there is no Christ arrival until after the “problem” “tribulation of those days” phase resolves on its own. (Matt24:29-31) Them Matthew 24:29 light symbols going dark are of the “old world order” “lights” going out, for full world government.

Making it more dangerous as well is Satan’s awareness he and the demons are going to the abyss prison. (Rev20:1-3) That means the demons have no real future plans for an Earthly Satanic society, they know it will be aborted, they just use that dream to carrot the satanic-human-elites to do their will.

That means if they create a centrally controlled AI system controlling these weapons and energies technologies at truly global scale, on forms of nano-computing platforms (very tiny energy transfers individually), there is a danger of Satan “interfacing” that system directly, like a “digital possession”, and that is of course very dangerous as he plans to destroy the elites and if he could, all life on Earth. Thus, all Satan wants to do, ultimately, is create as much life system damage as he can before he is canned. The elite depop agenda technological developments aid his ultimate goal, while they think they are securing their own future, it is a dangerous con job overall, for possible attempted final Satanic use. How far it gets, is just speculation.

So, ultimately Satan and the elites have different overall end agendas, the globalists help empower a system that is very dangerous especially if it falls into angelic demon hands fully. (Of course God knows what they are planning, and there is no chance they will succeed in an full extinction mode (Matt24:21-22), they are the main power system to “cut short” at that time. But we know they will try, none the less.)

And I only speculate, I do not know how advanced the system will be in this final 20 year window, but I think we are within a 20 year window for all this to unfold fully. But I don’t try to do anything but speculate, because this final process progresses year over year, and we will see all the steps to world government well before “the end” of that rival sovereign, so we do have time. And it gets “generic” enough for anyone to take advantage of its larger meaning as it gets more and more obvious the whole way.

Plus, in time, the final outline of all this will come out by means far beyond me, it will become a final warning ministry guaranteed prior to world government completion (Rev9-11), but that occurs some years after the desolation of the last point of progress in Jehovah’s witnesses. (Dan11:41; Dan8:13-14) Their ministerial cessation is allowed due to negligence, infiltration and UN alliances, etc, but it is temporary and when it re-emerges it cannot be promoting what modern JWs are trying to sell, it has to have the biggest salvation offer that has ever existed. I do not know how it will re-emerge, but it will become recognizable no matter what it manifests through.

Now over the next 15 to 18 years I know you will be able to verify all these phases I am describing, so you can test this out over the whole process, it is not some “doomsday” scare tactic, it is based on a prophetic outline and global evidence that runs the full course with parallel affirmations. So as those years and milestones are reached, you can verify it step by step.

And the JW org total desolating sacking globally, will be your first clue this forecast is unique and valid, and pretty non-judgmental, as anyone can choose the alternative Kingdom of God over that jalopy they call the New World Order, and religions have nothing to do with it (except being compromised). In fact, the less one is controlled by religions, the better. (Rev18:4) Their corporate profit mills are sell outs. And we can expect the globalists will eventually rebrand UN, NATO and NWO for some final “grandiose words” title for the world government final presentation. The “snake” will get its new and final “skin”, but it will be the same old snake underneath it all.

Another thing you can verify is the UN will also go into “abyss” (Rev17:8-13) in the future, but it is all just part of the dialectic formula, they will be unable to prevent the final world war “sword stroke” cycle, but we know this is on purpose (Rev13:3), they use that cycle for their final re-emergence into full world government. They can plainly engineer world war, as we well know. In like manner, they can also engineer “world peace” whenever it is time to sell the “big dream” of world government and the “golden age” of mankind. (1Thess5:1-3) But it is just a cloak to also run their final depopulation agenda in selective and scheduled systematic manner.

That is those final portions of Daniel 11 and Daniel 8. As per Daniel 8:25, they “bring many to ruin” DURING “a freedom from care” which is that Rev13:3 “healing” recovery “world peace” period (1Thess5:1-3; Isa 41 sequence) which they use to help sell world government globally. It means the world peace period has other things going on as well.  They do selective depopulation with absolutely no resistance from any other earthly power system, they will all be in full control of that final “8th King” “King North” world government system for a “one hour” symbolic very short final period. (Rev17:12)

As shown here, it is NOT in the peak “wars” and “disorders” phase the the end of the rival system comes. The final world war is set to “heal” into “ascending” world government (Rev11:7; Rev17:8-13), starting the related Isaiah 41 “let the nations regain power” sequence into full world government and “the [world] judgment”.

In “healing” mode, under world government emerging, is the final “world peace” and security claim.

While there are “wars” and “disorders” present, the end CANNOT come as plainly stated by Christ:

(Matthew 24:6) you are going to hear of wars and reports of wars; see that YOU are not terrified. For these things must take place, but the end is NOT YET.

(Luke 21:9) Furthermore, when you hear of wars and disorders, do not be terrified. For these things must occur first, but the end does NOT [occur] immediately.”

The time of the real end is therefore not during peak wars and disorders even at global scale as described in the above. Logically, it is in that final “world peace” and security period AFTER this period coming up (1Thess5:1-3) to be further defined by world government complete, for “world peace” will have to be their big mantra.

Then the one who can destroy them fully, and incarcerate the superhuman entities behind them will arrive and wrap it all up (even that is no slam dunk, hence Rev14; Dan12:11). That is why their only strategy is the use of decoys presented deceptively and premature of the real thing. It is just logical they they need to cloak their decoys in divine claims for those who can be affected by that. They have to run different deceptions for different audiences at the same time, but media will be in a worse monopoly than it is now, things which are very secretive now have to become very pronounced. This is why their secrecy is starting to ooze out of their use of symbols as seen on this site, it starts to subconsciously and subliminally program who they can for that revealing phase of what is actually there. That is why much “occult” symbolized media targets younger minds, to get them used to the NWO ideas and symbols as early in life as possible.

But this takes 15 years and more to play out, but there will be signals along the way like what is about to happen to JWs and the JW org. Their “the end” forecast will be the first to fully fail in grand manner. (It is part of downing the JW place and discrediting it fully on exit, and after; it will become a laughing stock because they plan to change the JW message to a “hard hitting judgment message” (WT7/15/15) as JWOrg/Bethel is going down, to make sure everyone knows JWs called “the end of the world” well premature in time. (It will be the final JW false prophecy cycle))

Keep watching there, that infiltration is worse than the diversions concerning Charles Russell from a century ago, that is all a distraction from the reality of today’s JW org. It is the modern JW leadership administration that is the problem for JWs, but most JWs have no idea. These events will eventually be on CNN, etc, and will keep the focus in the same location a recovery and final disclosure has to form, overall.

(Meaning, in time, JWs have to regroup and pinpoint they were infiltrated by their leadership “supreme council” “Governing Body” means; They won’t have any other choice, there “the end” will NOT arrive as soon as they were misled to expect, they will have spent three years in a thick hoax designed to severely delay them, even to try to fully destroy them, but ti ahs to fail overall.)

This coup phase is also in prophecy, but in the final cycle inception portions. (Zech3:1-5; Mal3:1-5; Dan8:13-14; Rev8:3-5; Dan11:41) So JWs will think it si “the end of the world!”, but it will be the START of this final cycle. But it will reinforce the symbology meanings JWs are already familiar with as well as some generic symbolic meanings that did at times emerge since the Reformation. JWs will just have to get through the denial phase, to accept reality and it takes a few years, hence Daniel 8:14,26.

The infiltrating intel uses truthful prophecy, they just rearrange it to promote delusion of prematurity and setups for prophecy being applied to the decoy presentations and events.


The book that first woke me up that world power does not rise and set with the nation-state was “The Great Reckoning” by Lord Rees-Moog and James Dale Davidson. (They did “Blood in the Streets” and the “Sovereign Individual” as well) The Alvin Toffler “Future Shock”, “Third Wave” and “Powershift” were also very eye opening in the time before these latest globalist commentators. “Globalist” was not a common term back then, but the power transforming changes are driven by them, so in retrospect those books had even more meaning once it was fully revealed who is really guiding the transformation and it is a provable power consolidation active since the 1850s and before.

The societal sociopathy realization was aided by “The Culture of Narcissism” by Christopher Lasch; he did “Revolt of the Elites” as well and a few others. They are all pretty tame simple rundowns, but at the time I read them, I came to realize more was going on above the nation-state, and that in my “globalism” sheltered period way before guys like Mullens and Icke and Jones. Later, it all connected up.

But now-a-days I think you can find far more advanced summarizations by just doing your own searching, as after 2000 a lot of good writers and researchers started to distill it to the world government production theme very well, even if they cannot all agree, the things they do agree on are pretty defensible. Fritz Springmeier, Icke and Eustace Mullens are pretty useful for more in depth tracing of the roots of this elite system. I think the more people you expose yourself to, the more “macro” your view becomes. Catherine Austin-Fitts and Joan Veon exposed the true nature of the financial metamorphosis and they have good videos out there for now. (They will eventually sweep the internet, some people are making copies of some of this stuff)

I think at a certain point we can assimilate the ideas we can see as valid from a few sources, as that is how many of them came up with their speculations. I tried to summarize this in a comparison of conspiracy theory and prophecy themes here:

World Government, Bible Prophecy and Conspiracy Theory Converge


I find it interesting that it seems many will not connect the last dot fully either in prophecy commentary or globalist research. So in that little study, I tried to show how they are parallel because they are actually describing th same thing, but in different ways.


That is why I felt prophecy independent of corporate religious stall points, updated for post 1990 globalization progress, is the “framework” that really takes it to the next level, because it is what it claims to be, it is the forecast of God. And the stalled and detoured state of Jehovah’s witnesses has been successful at truncating their once up to date commentary at th3 point of 1990. The JW “Awake!” magazine really has a 1970s mindset, so they are successfully subverting JWs, and it has ha an effect on modern globalization being exposed from the prophetic angle. It is why JWs are going down first in the process as well.

(Right now JWs are the target of a billion dollar massive discrediting campaign which relies on their own internal leadership scandals and real criminal activity to fuel it. They are skimming JWs of billions, it is a 30 billion dollar operation since 1980, but who knows where a lot of that has gone, so they are using JW money to finance this initial discrediting campaign. Part of the goal, besides stumbling people, is to minimize public sympathy for the JW org coup coming up.)

Now that blog link is work I did so that desolated Jehovah’s witnesses can get back on track come the time they have to face their own bitter truth of betrayal. I claim to be “in” no religion, Christian to me is a FAITH I do claim. Faith cannot be monopolized, and when it is, look what happens. (This will all get a lot realer when they sack the JW org)

On VC I try to stay “generic”, because truthful processes can be explained in either manner by generic research or prophetic, and at micro or macro levels, but some people have more prophecy background than others, so I try to see where my audience is coming from. Plus there are other ways to describe the patterns we are seeing, such as in non-spiritual terms, because it is what it is. But we need to have a “macro” view, a lot of good researchers get into a cul-de-sac of the micro view and do not place the piece in the big puzzle picture.

I think the harmony of globalism exposing researchers and prophecy is what made me believe  it is all telling the exact same story, and it is all about world government, and its completion will be globally known. And logically, that is when you know who will show up, it seems to make sense to run the full course fully, for the benefit of all people, BEFORE he drops in.

Unfortunately many religions have become tribal team labels who use “truth” for state and globalist profit benefit and destabilizing divisions, they justify predatory activities by use of twisting religious teachings to fit the real goal. Just follow the money. In that process they discredit the more basic information and real giant salvation message of prophecy, it too is a discrediting campaign but has been going on for centuries.

So, many people get turned off once religion or prophecy is mentioned, because religions have given many things a bad rep. But beneath that diversion, is valid generic prophecy that has outlined this trek thousands of years ago, is still valid, and that is why religions are overtaken to discredit truth and be used for other purposes, hence the “harlot” symbology in Rev17-18.

(People often doubt the scope of the globalists infiltrative power, but since they are a demon designed product and cabal, them demons are why these things have been infiltrated for centuries in some cases, they are real, they don’t sleep, and they are capable of influencing people by way of the mind over lifetimes overlapping other lifetimes a number of times. That is why this current global effect is actually an unseen epidemic of internal compromise in all the nation-state parts.)

True I have opinions, I know others do to, but I think I have good evidence why this thing is going to run the full course of all required completions. I believe stretching it out is beneficial, and makes this “it is not doomsday” forecast unique. In such a process, it is beneficial for many people to run the full course (Hag2:7), then in generic, simple and even complex form, many people can start to catch on as to where this really is heading and what the ramifications of globalist and demon renegades claiming to be the rightful global creators and owners of planet Earth is leading.

They get to meet the REAL Creator and Owner of this whole universe. Eventually, even for some severely skeptical humans, it just makes sense things are not being managed properly on this planet and there is every possible probability this place does have a true extremely powerful and intelligent owner. And he is interested in preserving life, is the bottom line, he created it, they did not. Reviewing the global record of these globalist it seems destroying life is their obsession. They gotta go, it is what it is, and go they will after full warning has been given and completed to their faces. A new ruler is coming to town, and he knows exactly what to do correctly for the benefit of ALL life on Earth.

The issue really is “world government” as in whose will prevail, so it is interesting the globalists are heading right into the very arena which the whole “Kingdom of God” story is really relating. I think it is beyond coincidence this thing is culminating into a logical global conclusion whereby superior force is all those guys will respond to, for they used it too, but not in the magnitudes that are to come on their world government military arm.

The truth is God is a friend who has also been discredited and slandered much, and much of it is religiously backed. The reason is for people not to comprehend the best friend they really have in God the ALMIGHTY ONE.

Something that is actually “true” will be affirmable in all the varied areas of trying to explain this final cycle. For example, “conspiracy theorists” will have certain truths vindicated by the real developments becoming globally seen and felt. Thus whether it is prophecy or secular research explaining patterns and cycles and motives and end goals, if they are describing the same thing, in the end they will be in full agreement.

And the reality is prophecy is only confused by religious errors and stalls, its symbology is simple, it IDs the world government development since Genesis national roots. Genesis 10 may be the single most amazing record in the Bible as far as generic truth of the nations of today. Generic world history can all be traced back to the “70 nation” origins of Genesis10, and who can just make up such a basic record? There are Genesis 10 “70 nation” maps that show this reverse engineered history on the Web. But it is not a prophecy, it is just a record. But the first world government experiment occurs in that record with Nimrod and Babel. and the symbol “Tower of Babel” which origins the elites even consider their founding history.

In one George Bush Sr. New World Order speech of that 1989 to 1992 period, he called the “new world order” an “ancient dream”. The real reason he spoke this truth of the globalists is because the “new order” idea goes back to Nimrod, and that attempt met with a non-destructive, but delaying, “divine intervention”.

Well the final world government completion will also result in a “divine intervention”, and the language will be set back to one by God:

(Zephaniah 3:8-9) “‘Therefore keep yourselves in expectation of me,’ is the utterance of Jehovah, ‘till the day of my rising up to [the] booty, for my judicial decision is to gather nations, for me to collect together kingdoms, in order to pour out upon them my denunciation, all my burning anger; for by the fire of my zeal all the earth will be devoured. 9 For then I shall give to peoples the change to a pure language, in order for them all to call upon the name of Jehovah, in order to serve him shoulder to shoulder.’

Now contrary to some popular beliefs, “burning anger” is not for the average Joe, it is for those rival sovereign globalists. There is nothing to fear about the arrival of the planetary owner, his presence will be highly interesting because he does not lie nor confuse (unless he had a good reason; Gen10-11), and mankind can get the real whole and complete story.

But this is God we are talking about, there is no “cliff notes” for the real thing, it will take time to rebuild the basis of mankind’s earth management process to conform to doing it right the first time, no errors from step one, guaranteed. But the purpose of “God’s will done on Earth” is so that every living being (even an ant) will meet the full potential of a life based existence. (People have a lot of doubt of the deathless system of Ezekiel 47 and Rev21-22 (Rom8:18-22).

But then again, from step one, man has been based on one error after the other where “death rules as king” over the entire planetary system at this time. But that can change (Heb2:14; 1Cor15:26) and for more than just human beings because the spirit now ruling the planet is a dead one at this time. The spirit who is coming is made of “indestructible life” (Heb7:16) and “life giving spirit”, so it will have the exact opposite effect when he “plugs in” that power into planet Earth at all levels of the Genesis 1:26-28 hierarchy of the restored “blessing” (Ps133), now a death curse; (Rev22:3)


When he arrives “road kill” will pop up quite alive, he is coming to restore more than just human beings. The minute he arrives a healing will begin, but it keeps going because many things have been robbed of life on this planet. When he is done, he will destroy the criminal demonic angels, they are the “extra terrestrial” source of the human problems (Gen6; Eph6:12), but it takes time to get to that stage, the whole human and planetary life system has to be fully restored (Matt19:28) to perfect in ways the maker defines, meaning fully life sustainable with eternal potential.

In reality, nothing is “too good to be true”. Man is just under great oppression from powerful spirit forces (and their human puppet elites) with advanced intelligence and millenniums of this compounding state. In time it will get easy to understand once they are pout out of the picture.

The 1000 year reign may be 1000 human years long, but to God it is a million years wide and high, God has no human time limitations as far as getting what needs to be done, done. It takes time for man to progress with the new, because it is the basis of learning that goes on forever. Just as now one error led to another, so the base truth will lead to more and more truth a perfect functionality for the whole planet, in time.

Thus there is no need of a human world government, we already have a super-angelic God government on the way. But of course the contenders never take no for an answer, and that is the only reason the arrival of Christ has a violent phase on the rivals. If everyone was in to it, then the arrival could be fully peaceful. But as it is these guys are amassing large power systems and intend to resist the King. But of course, who can overcome Gods and angels? Poor guys. But superior force is all they understand.

At the same time, he will secure many people for preservation, they have no limitations, but they will arrive when they actually must manifest to cease the final agenda. In the meantime, the longer it takes, the more people can be reached over the final cycle. In retrospect, it will not be a very long time in relative terms to how long this rebellion has been going on.

Just be patient, the JW thing will affirm this soon, so it will have an affirmation event to help you just keep tracking this thing over the next few years, definitely more than 10, I assume for other reasons less than 20, but I won’t get into that because it is more speculative than some of this. But I feel the subject matter and themes of prophecy and its sequencing is more reliable than human when arranging this final cycle.

Plus many have exposed some very important globalist cyclic formulas, and we just need to know now, there will be a final “problem” to “solution” cycle. No one would accept these guys if they new the truth of their origins, and if they did not use these global-extortion techniques. So we can know they have to use a final big dialectic, with some sub-cycles proceeding with it all, for total “old world order” division and destabilization.

Plus once you know that, you are not controllable by fear induced behavior patterns. Lay low, and just observe, don’t get drawn out into the destabilizing conflicts no matter where they emerge. The “doomsday” complex is designed to aid predicting the “reaction” of groups and elements they want to control, they become predictable to the globalists once they believe what the globalists want them to believe.

Just be patient, the cycle will form, peak and pass. It will probably be a bumpy ride, but it will resolve into a global recovery of monumental scope so they can sell world government by bribe if needed, it will instead emerge in a great globally hopeful signal period. But they are going to outlaw global religions (after world government is complete), but it seems by that time it will be a great minority system. But that is how big the changes will be, we will see many big changes, but overall it will help some people comprehend fully just how real this all is becoming. (Hag2:7; Rev11:13)

Dragging it out maximizes the number who can be preserved to pass into the real new planetary management system that will come in with the King. It is no coincidence that is the main sovereign theme of that ones earthly existence and prophecies (Ps2), and he will carry the rest out as well, he cannot be stopped by anything or anyone. But he can put an end to the current earth management “pyramid”.

I think knowing certain patterns and principles is what is helpful, they converge into other steps in the process, and the more the first ones manifest as expected, the more likely the rest will as well. And as we step into more and more of the big signal milestones, it gives extra credibility to the overall forecast. At some point there is only a couple things left, them completing world government, and the real ruler responding to their global agenda going full blown.

He reacts because there is no choice once they get 100% global power, he will HAVE to arrive at that time. (Matt24:21-22) I think we are getting the gist as to why the globalists have to be literally exterminated and to cease the final agenda, their plans are very very evil and deadly. They are so evil, some people have a hard time accepting that scale of evil as even being possible, because most people are not near as evil as these demon seed children. (Gen3:15)

There is only one way to change the atmosphere of Earth to life sustaining in every aspect. Gotta get rid of these guys 100%, demon and human. And that is exactly what the King is coming to do, and he will as usual give full fair warning and total global opportunity to chose him as King, rather than these globalist demon-backed vipers. Like all denial stages, sometimes big events need to chip away the denial to accept and realize a superior power system is the only one that can remove the globalized system coming, it even over powered the nation-state based “old world order” system. (Dan11:40)

The “Kingdom of God” is that superior power system, its the real “solution”. Even God can use this dialectic, but for those getting ready to accept his solution instead. He will dissolve the “problem”. The globalists ARE the “problem”, them super-humans behind them are even worse. But, they are nothing to the power that is coming. It was just a matter of time, not power, as far as why they are permitted to run the full final cycle course.

Best Regards


[QUOTE who=”Newtonian”]Bethel judgment – Would you like me to start a separate thread on the Kings of the North and South from Daniel’s prophecy?

Because it really is a subject that deserves a thread of its own rather than being hidden in a thread about protecting us from terrorists![/QUOTE]

Good idea.

Understanding the identity and nature of the real “south” and “north” is very relevant for today’s globalist (north) versus nation-state (south) struggles. We need updated easy-to-see prophecy information regarding “king north” globalization takeovers of the real “King North” globalization system to complete in King North/8th King WORLD GOVERNMENT by pawning the nation-state “south” system.


I guess the failed USSR need not apply:

(Daniel 11:36) . . .And [THE REAL KING NORTH] will certainly prove successful until [the] denunciation will have come to a finish. . .

The real King North does not fail. KN is the globalist system that captures the nation-state system in Daniel 11:42-43 in the near future crash cycle to full KN culmination.

We can also examine why Bethel is severely stalled with their USSR=KN error, and how this misleads JWs for other purposes.

I would like someone, perhaps a GB-allied JW, to try to tell us how a failed USSR World Order can be a King North REQUIRED by prophecy to “certainly prove successful UNTIL the [Armageddon] denunciation comes to a finish”.

How? They are non-existent. Are we to imagine “King North” is non-existent from 1990 to today 2016?

Or that now Russia can pop in and “prove successful” against Mega-NATO and the globalist world government forming system?


They will surrender and join it as per Revelation 17:11-13.

We REALLY need to get to the real King North identity for the very lives of JWs and others are at stake. Bethel has been “throwing truth to the earth” (Dan8:12) for quite some time on this EASY-TO-SEE globalization versus national system drama going global since 1990.

Why would Bethel be silent? Their UN NGO agreement to cover up world government perhaps? (Dan11:30b)


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From my perspective you would be praying over a ruse. Does Jehovah answer those prayers? I don’t believe he does.


Yep, it is just a part of Satan’s distracting play, to get people rooting for things that will go the way of the NORTH globalists anyways.

All a distraction, and non-up-to-date Bethel just aids it by saying nothing on the overall globalization development of King North we need to be seeing instead.

It would be EASY to explain globalization as King North, for is is obvious the “south” national system “old world order” sovereign system is the target to take down. OBVIOUSLY the “new world order” is the King North replacement for the King South “OLD world order”.

Even JF Rutherford IDd the NWO as wildbeast too:

“”That attempted “new world order” which is pushed forward in opposition to and as a substitute for God’s new world under “The King of kings and Lord of lords” is the final expression of the antichrist. Do not look for the antichrist to be an individual man or beast. It is that “new order” organization. The antichrist is here, and its appearance marks the “last time” for this world.”” (The New World; 1942, pg. 126)

The “top king”, King NORTH, is that same abomination.

In time God will flush the Bethel clog-works, and inform JWs of REALITY, in time. (Dan8:14)

Stalls like this do not form any “right condition”. Once the Bethel stall-masters are deposed, the “right condition” aided by easy-to-see prophecy truth, will come forth. They cannot overcome God’s final warning phase finale, NO WAY, they will be removed from the “temple” by force of the Destroyer, the temple cleansing angel of God. (Rev9)


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Remember I posted that on this issue Obama does not care about politics – and to emphasize – neither do I.


The President of the United States political system does not “care about politics”?

That is naive. Politicians are known LIARS that say anything to get people on their side, NOT NEUTRAL, but behind the next step in the political agenda of pawnign the US for the King North GLOBALISTS.

Like it or not you are taking sides on a POLITICAL ISSUE. One that aids the King North takeover of the US “south” system, mind you.

Just because you posted it, or Obama said it, don’t make it true.

Obama is the top global politician, you bet your arse POLITICS is ALL he cares about.

Wake up Newton, this ruse would not fool Isaac

It is sad to see Jehovah’s witnesses so undiscerning, greenhorn and gullible. YOU are the one who should be saying these things!

Don’t get sucked into this POLITICAL TRAP.


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It’s getting very clear who the KN is and who KS I wonder if the org will ever acknowledge it.


No. It is all in prophecy, the “left the holy covenant” (Dan11:30b), and now the “lead into apostasy” “all those acting wickedly against the holy covenant” (Dan11:32a)

Internally, Bethel is KN infiltrated. THAT is why they are mum on developments so big, a 4th grader could explain globalization “King North” basics.

Why not Bethel? Full time “Bible studiers” can’t catch on to the struggle to depose national sovereignty “south” by the globalist “north”?

Where in BOTH “King South” nation-state system, AND the “King North” globalization system are BOTH GLOBAL in scope and scale?

Yet SIMPLE to see by that GLOBAL polarity?

THIS KN KS PROPHECY HAS EXPLAIN ITSELF!!!!! While UN-NGO Bethel slumbers on purpose, to put JWs to sleep.

“Non-governmental”? I thought we were Messianic Kingdom governmental ambassadors?

“Non-governmental”? They mean endorsing the 3rd UN presentation of 1990, while covering up the prophecies (Dan8:23a; Dan11:31), while covering up King North in that UN NWO 3rd presentation, is just like choosing the UN as the government for JWs?

EVERYTHING in these prophecies has explained itself.

ANYONE can catch on to the Bethel UN apostasy, and this KN/KS [[[[COVER-UP]]]] and the easy-to-see globalists vs. nationalists STRUGGLE now “gone global” for real in its stead.


There is NO EXCUSE for Bethel’s negligence, NONE! They have to be the final apostasy.

All one has to do is pay attention to SEE all this right in front of our FACES, which Bethel is training JWs to only pay attention to the distractions.

This whole “subversion” (Dan8:12) is the most IMPORTANT development of our times, at this time. It leads to the now fully required Daniel 8:13-14 temple judgment to get rid of these obstacles “in the temple”. (2Thess2:1-4)


God will act on these stallers soon. We will also be able to see it plain as day when He does so.


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Yes of course there are rules, the rules are maintained/obeyed when our fallen Adamic nature is fully conformed to the nature of Christ the second Adam !

Jehovah is ruled by his *own nature* (2 Corinthians 5:19) that’s the principle that will rule in perfected humanity, when we are ruled by our matured image of God in us !
Pure motivation and deeds !

NOT obeying rules *to be perfect* ! But *perfected to obey rules * !
If you get my drift ! 😉 [/QUOTE]

I guess that is the front-side-step.

The drift is, do whatever you want, you’ll be perfected magically when you “go to heaven”.

Except that aint where the two step leads is it?

This is why there is still more to be called as per Matthew 22:1-14 based on Bethel’s judgment. Being Christian and following Christ ALL THE WAY aint as easy as some try to make it out to be.

Nobody means being perfect, God means at least trying to improve. The two step side step aborts all effort to try, and you end up with the rbr-style yada-yada-yada kind of wafflers who think because GB went apostate then everything else must be just hunky dory.

What it means is “Christianity” as far as ANY organized ministry is concerned has just gotten shut out, there aint one point of up-to-date truth. NOT ONE. They all have a little truth, JWs have a veritable holy boat load of truth in comparison, but JWs have “dropped the ball” since 1990.

And the GB fumblers is why.

They have a different trick in their side step, they simply use the omission trick to stall, and to stall JWs, and thus to stall anyone from the global JW information center from being fully UPDATED properly in regard to KING NORTH PROGRESS SINCE 1990, with instead stalled and dated and truncated prophecy commentary, at this time.

It is still truthful. BUT if God foretold UN 1 in 1919, and UN 2 in 1945 it stands to reason UN 3 is also in a prophecy, indeed it is. (Dan8:23; Dan11:31)

But JWs have been trained by the GB-KN-Squad (Dan11:32a) to SAY NOTHING about UN 1990, to endorse it as UN NGO, and to act as if King North=USSR which is impossible and superceded by that UN3.0 (1990) presentation and the modern King North NWO post 1990 rampant globalization process, which GLOBALIZATION PURPOSE topic is also omitted from all Bethel “modern”, now out-of-date commentary.


Because a UN 1-2-3 is now predictable to need to be UN 1-2-3-4. ALL FOUR UNs ARE FORETOLD!!!

And since they broke UN1-2-3 at UN1-2, no one can make the UN 1-2-3-4 EASY CONNECTION NOW because JWs cannot even see UN1-2-3 at this time.

Thus every trick, stall and deception is now attacking the Christian complex and stalling and discrediting the last point of progress in JWs too, in global comprehensive form with all kinds of tricks and sidesteps.


But something is going to occur in the JW ministry, that will in time (Dan8:14), get it FULLY UP TO DATE and CLEANSED. (Zech3:1-5)

Keep your eyes on JWs, after the desolations pass, a veritable geyser and lightning strom of truth and light is going to EXPLODE from the then put-back-on-track anointed Christian minsitry, it cannot be stopped. (Rev9-11:1-7)

I’d like to see them try to get by the Destroyer, the temple cleansing Angel of YHWH Jehovah. NO WAY!

It takes just a little time, but big events will mark it, big anti-JW-org temple judgment events. (Dan11:41; Dan8:13-14; Isa66:6; Matt22:1-14)

Things will be put right back ON TRACK to world government exposure and the Christ arrival it will trigger as the “second witness” FINAL invitation and warning of all Adamic time.


FYI: First Four Plagues = Tribulation of those Days Global Context

The “tribulation of those days” will be gauged in the first four plagues global- context. They parallel the first four trumpets as their global context which is Daniel 11:41-43.

The Destroyer is the Temple Cleansing Angel of God, so his appearance to mark the 5th trumpet, is also “their kingdom became darkened” of the 5th plague.

How? Well he ceases the desolations on the “Decoration” of anointed Christianity. In parallel, the world government “sun” is delayed (Isa38) by the Destroyer killing a few key Illuminati anti-Christian operation project managers.

(Revelation 16:10) And the fifth one poured out his bowl upon the throne of the wild beast. And its kingdom became darkened, and they began to gnaw their tongues for [their] pain…

The “light” of the “kingdom” of “throne of wild beast” (world government development “throne”), is the self-proclaimed Illuminati. Destroyer comes out in “the morning” of Daniel 8:13-14,26 AFTER “the evening” of the temple judgment desolations has run 3.19 years (Rev9 parallel), you know, to whack some key “Illuminati” and kill some others.

Revelation 8:3-5 “fire of the altar” is how the Daniel 8:14 “right condition” of temple cleansing is met (Zech3:4-5), so Destroyer also cleanses the temple, in addition to killing key Illuminati leaders in the future, which “lights out” “darkens” the “kingdom” of globalists. Thus too, Daniel 8:13-14 is a Revelation 8:3-5 parallel.

That starts the final Revelation 8-11 sequence and Revelation 16 sequence as roughly parallel 7 trumpets and plagues. “Trumpets” are spiritual “temple” focused alarms, focus and context. “Plagues” are the global context of the world system. They are pretty much parallel in event global-context.

For example when in the 7th Plague Christ “plagues” the “air”, it is the Christ arrival parallel of the 7th Plague. Since Christ must have arrived (Matt24:29-31; Rev11:11-12; Rev16:17-20) BEFORE 7th Trumpet total global conquest (Rev11:15), the 7th plague must precede the 7th trumpet, 7th Plague converges into 7th Trumpet. Thus it is convergent, but they are roughly parallel.

The reason angels must start to become involved down here on planet Earth (Zech1; Zech6:1-8; Rev8-11; Rev16) is because these Illuminati guided globalists want to try to bring in world government as fast as possible, thereby shutting out Christianity that aint even figured out any of this yet.

Destroyer merely delays them to meet the rest of Daniel 8:13-14 timing, then to the 1260 days and the 1290 days final time signatures. (Christianity is given 15 more years approximate, hence the Isaiah 38 “delay” and “healing” meaning)

Destroyer also ensures the final warning will emerge (Rev9) and get commissioned (Rev10) and go forth (Rev11:1-7),so that people of Earth get a clear final warning that world government completed (1Thess5:1-3; Dan11:45; Dan8:25; Rev17:12), triggers the Christ arrival, BEFORE that “8th King” “Scarlet Wildbeast” “King North” WORLD GOVERNMENT actually completes, when the warning can be most beneficial.

They cannot stop the final warning. AFTER it is complete, it will be ceased as Revelation 11:7 marks Daniel 12:11 as Revelation 17:8-13 context.

(Revelation 11:7) And when they have finished their (1260 days) witnessing, the wild beast that ascends out of the abyss (into world government; Rev17:8-13) will make war with them and conquer them and kill them.

(Daniel 12:11) “And from the time that the constant [feature] has been removed (Rev11:7) and there has been a placing of the disgusting thing that is causing desolation (as complete world government), there will be one thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Angels of God come out in covert stealth manner, to kick the Illuminati in the balls so hard (Rev9; Rev16:10; Isa66:6), they will have to back off for the full final warning, and temple angels will destroy those who try to intervene and oppose the final warning. They don’t kill them all (Hos1:7; Isa37), they just make sure the final warning is deployed fully and completely. But you know, some now key Illuminati will have to die. (Isa31:8-9; Zech3:8)

(Zechariah 9:8) And I will encamp as an outpost for my house, so that there will be no one passing through and no one returning; and there will no more pass through them a taskmaster, for now I have seen [it] with my eyes.

(Isaiah 31:9) And his (Illuminati) own crag will pass away out of sheer fright, and because of the signal his princes must be terrified,” is the utterance of Jehovah, whose light is in Zion and whose furnace is in Jerusalem.

Certain key Illuminati global project managers, meet that “Furnace”. (Hos1:7) White heat, Illuminati ashes, is what it means, on the key guys that need to be killed to delay world government a bit, and allow the final warning to come forth. Some of them will simply flee on their own, “terrified”. (They are infiltrated in some key areas they gotta then vacate, one way, or another. It is all based on the principle of what happened to the 185,000 Assyrians when they were BBqd by Destroyer on the Jerusalem outskirts of Judea back in 738 BCE; Isa36-37)

That is how the “second witness” of the “two witnesses” “call down fire from heaven”, because NOTHING can stop the final warning 1260 day process. If you can scare off Destroyer, then you can stop the final warning. WHO can do that? Satan soils himself when Destroyer comes around. The point is, expect the final warning to emerge as the four plagues continue as the global context, after some key Illuminati are sent to dirtnap. (They get a warnign before it hits, btw, just as Assyria did by Hosea 1)

JW Org Goes Down HARD

FYI, the near future attempted total destruction of the JW organization, part of the Christian claimant complex of all Christianity, will mark the beginning of Daniel 8:13-14. You can mark your calendar and test it for yourself, and you can watch JW org go down on CNN, so it will be a good globally seen event. It passes in 1150 days.

JWs endorsed UN 1990 in “New World Order” mode as UN NGO, riding the wild beast, so God will let the JWorg be destroyed, or darn close to it, and that event will be useful to help others mark and see this 7 trumpet and 7 plague context as it unfolds from that event, forward, it is Daniel 11:41 as well. But it will result in a final call to all of Christianity (Matt22:1-4), of which JWs are just one part that tried unsuccessfully to form a UN monopoly over their sector of apostasy. (Dan11:32a)

This temple judgment cycle will transcend all “religious” barriers and claims. It forms the true final warning prior to world government, and thus prior to the Christ arrival that world government WILL trigger, so Christ can sweep4sheep first, and stop the final NWO deadly and evil agenda upon planet Earth.

World government will be far more dangerous and powerful than the final world war “tribulation of those days” “sword stroke” which precedes it as per Revelation 13:3 and Revelation 17:8-13.

Thus it is NOT “doomsday”, this coming enormous world war will resolve into WORLD GOVERNMENT. They will try to silence and coup Christians, but the FINAL WARNING will emerge anyways (Rev11:2-3; Zech4:6-9; Zech3:4-8) IT CANNOT BE STOPPED. IT IS WHAT IT IS.


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Who is Marvin Shilmer?


Not sure. But it seems to be the guy or a pen name that documented various WTBTS developments in research paper sourced style. I only read a couple as they never boiled it down to the “board” based infiltration operation of advanced corporate intel, who has done the same thing with many religions, corporations and governments.

When you have the dirt (Zech3:3), but no connection to prophecy, because God has known EVERYTHING since day one of this rebellion (Gen3:15), it just took him time to purpose the release of more and more prophecy as it would become relevant, such as with Daniel first whose structured national-to-globalist sovereign prophecies are the first of its kind, the basis of Revelation parallels, and proof God knows what THEY ARE ALL up to, and that milleniums ago, because HE is God Almighty, they are mere angles and men.

They are screwing with the wrong person.

OBVIOUSLY, a 3rd UN, a King North globalization development EASILY seen and explained for the world government purpose, an infiltration and an apostasy ARE GOING TO BE IN PROPHECY IN LITTLE, BUT VERY PRECISE WORDS AND THE EXACT CONTEXT OF THE NOW COVERED UP 1990 3RD UN PRESENTATION is where this can be found as Daniel 8:11-14 and Daniel 11:30b-32a are PARALLEL in their time of development.

Thus exposing known WTBTS error in “lawless one” activity, but never connecting it up to the true prophetic reason for this opposition from within JW leadership (Dan8:12) and its King North SOURCES (Dan11:30b,31a,32a) only results in discrediting in broad manner.

In reality this apostasy, infiltration and temple pollution and UN NGO phase is ALL right in prophecy. As such, if we are awake to the meaning, it means prophecy is even now beign fulfilled to lead to Daniel 8:13-14 which is timed so its proof will become, in time (Dan8:14), verifiable and undeniable, in time it will be the only explanation Jehovah’s witnesses can use to understand this predicament.


But, at the same time, fulfilling prophecy, even negative prophecy in effect, still BUILDS FAITH.

That is why:

1. They will not expose the true apostasy prophecy now in action.

2. Their KIng North origins will have the objective of concealing King North GLOBALIZATION SYSTEM versus King South NATIONALIST SYSTEM as long as they can, until they are removed by angels of GOd in the temple cleansing, because humans cannot overcome this temple infiltration.

And just as demons are involved with this infiltration (Zech3:1), in like manner God can now use his own angels to deal with the whole thing once the Daniel 8:13-14 “desolation” “evening” timing of 3.19 years has run its full course. (Hos6:1-3; Isa37:30-32)

It will take extreme but limited measures from God to recover Jehovah’s witnesses, because the enemy is “in the house” and they need to be escorted out or worse (Isa66:6) or none of this is going to change, but change it will.

(Zechariah 3:3-5) . . .Now as for Joshua, he happened to be clothed in befouled garments and standing before the angel. 4 Then he answered and said to those standing before him: “Remove the befouled garments from upon him.” And he went on to say to him: “See, I have caused your error to pass away from upon you, and there is a clothing of you with robes of state.” 5 At that I said: “Let them put a clean turban upon his head.” And they proceeded to put the clean turban upon his head and to clothe him with garments; and the angel of Jehovah was standing by.

That “Angel of Jehovah” is also the Destroyer of Revelation 9, he is also the guy who BBQd 185,000 Assyrian forces like so many marshmallows one night on the outskirts of Jerusalem (Hos1:7), so Illuminati and globalist intel crwalign around the JW org are NO PROBLEM to him, he will turn some to roasted ash in untouched clothing (Isa31:8-9; Mic5:6-7) so they can sweep ’em up and throw them away where they came from.

In any event the angels of will”encamp”so they will be tossed out, and they will not be “returning” ever. This allows the final warning to emerge in a delayed world government development so people get a full warning from Jehovah’s witnesses once it is all cleansed and in the true “right condition” which requires a lot of changes and disclosures FROM Jehovah’s witnesses.

This makes the warning more convincing when those formerly involved in the revolt are th ones admitting it as prophecy, rather than think one more external missile is going to explain what is REALLY going on now among Jehovah’s witnesses.

God cleanses his name in the same location it is being befouled at this time:

(Ezekiel 36:22-25) “Therefore say to the house of Israel, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said: “Not for your sakes am I doing [it], O house of Israel, but for my holy name, which you have profaned among the nations where you have come in.”’ 23 ‘And I shall certainly sanctify my great name, which was being profaned among the nations, which you profaned in the midst of them; and the nations will have to know that I am Jehovah,’ is the utterance of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah, ‘when I am sanctified among you before their eyes. 24 And I will take you out of the nations and collect you together out of all the lands and bring you in upon your soil. 25 And I will sprinkle upon you clean water, and you will become clean



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I see it the same way. Except they may be being discreet that might be why they say little. But it could be as you say we will have to wait and see.



In 2011 that is exactly what I used to think. I was going to send a report to Bethel, but upon more examination of the Daniel 11:32a prophecy and the timing of “those leaving the holy covenant” eventually it became clear they are an act in place by KN to try to sack the JW org (Dan8:11; Dan11:41), and sell JWs a cover story (2Thess2:1-2), to try to hamper the “connection” to the final witnessing requirement.


They want to sack the JW org BEFORE that FINAL UN1-2-3-4 connection can be made. They want to try to abort the continuum of all the original JW truths to the final warning truth final connections, and they want to try to rush in world government so fast, JWs will not make the exposure properly, and all would fail.


And all this “in the temple” hoopla will only garner EVEN MORE massive attention to the JW emergent message, as the JWorg downfall will even be on CNN, etc. IN the end, they work for God’s purpose, their shenanigans will put the GLOBAL SPOT LIGHT on JWs for the final warning, go figure. (They are screwing with the wrong people, GOD AND CHRIST, of course they bend them into God’s overall temple judgment purpose)

To slow them down as per the 5th plague, their “kingdom became darkened” (Rev16:10-11), with 5th trumpet parallel events. (Rev9 release of JWs) So the “darkness” is the doom for them of the final warning, on the one hand. BUT to slow down world government, and “push the sun back “10 steps”” (Isa38), some key “lights” of their “throne of the wildbeast” world government developing system will be “put out”. (Rev16:10)

The “darkness” of “their kingdom”, is Destroyer destroying certain key Illuminati leaders in the anti-JW operation, and in world government fast-track development. Not all of them, just the ones whose removal will delay the process, and CEASE the JW attack process. (Hos1:7)

The result is world government will be delayed to meet the final Dan8:14, Dan12:7 (Rev11:2-3), Dan12:11 timing, AND the final warning will come forth, guided by angels to ensure it completes as per Revelation 11:7 where world government is “ascending” into global power.

But, by that time of Rev11:7, of course the 1260 days final warning final Kingdom proclamation is complete. They can cease the final warning to meet Rev11:7, parallel Dan12:11 “remove the constant feature” as world government completes in that final “place the disgusting thing”.

By then, all are sealed by completing the Rev10 “little scroll” mission, so Christ can then arrive upon full world government and sweep4sheep globally, depose BTG for some last “my people” sheep (Rev14:6-8; Rev11:13) and then dust world government to their face. (Rev14, Rev11:13 is in the Dan12:11 1290 days wrap up, it too takes a little time)

The “four winds” occurs (Rev7:1-4; Matt24:31) under full world government when they are at their 100% global power control peak (far more dangerous than the world war that led to that completion of power consolidation), after the world war “sword stroke” “tribulation of those days” has expired into that final “one hour” of world government phase. (Rev17:8-12)

But in these final years, JWs will be desolated and then cleansed and given full awareness of the “little scroll” nature of this final mission (Rev10:5-8; Rev11:2) AFTER the Daniel 8:13-14 full accounting, cleansing and timing has run its full course. It is 1150 days minimum, it may be 2300 days total, we shall have to wait and see.

But to test this prophecy, mark your calendar in any or all of these events:

1. The main JW org sacking salvo hits.

2. The “constant feature” of JWs is canceled from the GB’s own mouth. Now illegally changing the “good news” to that “bad news” “it is the complete end fo Satan’s world” is as good as canceling the JW ministry.

Mark the start of the 2300 “evenings and mornings” at that time or times. It seems to be a phasing as per Daniel 8:26, which means at the minimum the 3 year “sign of Jonah” MUST manifest in this temple judgment at the minimum. BUT it just may take another 1150 days to fully recover before final commission “little scroll” mission is given.

Jehovah’s witnesses must meet the divine spec of truth (Rev10:5-8) BEFORE the final warning can be deployed by God, through his main Temple and Covenant Angel.

As the tribualtion begins, some out there will try to say the 1260 days has begun, like Robert King, another KN placed fake. THAT is why Daniel 8:13 takes such a significant period of time, to burn out the other errors to quickly follow the Bethel main error, to prove they have all been premature too. (2Thess2:1-2)

STAY ON GUARD, DON’T GET FOOLED, Daniel 8:13-14 will in time prove and explain itself, is is a timed and phased prophecy for the purpose of getting through to hard-to-get-through-to JWs (and, eventually millions of other people, it’s going to be bigger than 1914, because this is game day Christ arrival coming up, this is the REAL THING! You can bet yur life God and Christ will give a totally HUGE and COMPLETE (Rev10:5-8) final warning.).


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Lets hope Jehovah sanctifies his name soon. Cleans house. [/QUOTE]


He will. But meeting the exact timing of Daniel 8:13-14 will allow the prophecy to be verifiable which aids people seeing it for themselves.

So be patient, these guys know what JWs need to “get up” (Rev11:1; Zech4:1) and start to finish explaining. They KNOW what they want JWs NOT to say.

So, they want to crash the org, God allows that to some degree, in time it will get more attention to where it needs to focus: JWs.

BUT they want to shut up JW individually too, hence the “bunkers” to try to group and capture as many JWs as they can.

That is what God will intervene in in Hosea 1:7. Some will be freed, but their anti-individual-JW operation will meet the “furnace” angel of God. The do not call him The Destroyer for nothing, he is very selective and precise in which KN ops he will kill, and which ones he will send packing with wet shorts. THIS IS REAL, HE IS COMING OUT.

JWs have been detoured and dumbed-down so severely, angels MUST be deployed to pull it back together and to destroy the enemy in the house. (Isa66:6)

Once the GB and KN ops are dusted, things will get far easier to explain, there willbe no competing “voice of the stranger”. (John10)

In the meantime, play it wise, do not follow into any “bunker”, trust God and Christ. And don’t go out into the street, they plan to sweep up the Bullhorners and clean out the Web in the big events that start the tribulation phase. But it must recover and heal as they “solve the problem” to highlight the world government “solution”.

Believe it, you will have hundreds of JWs to explain this to when Destroyer sweeps through, because you are seeing it early, and Daniel 8:13-14 will prove itself, its exact timing will aid the process of verifying the prophecy as you take part in the “right condition”, which a big part is accurate truth of prophecy NOW active.


1914-1918 was so successful because prophecy fulfilling in people’s faces is far more powerful than prophecy from the past. When JWs start to explain prophecy AS IT IS FULFILLING, rather than after, it will turn many skeptics, MILLIONS OF THEM, into stalwart believers over night.

That is why they have out-dated JW prophecy commentary. LIVE AND REAL-TIME easy to see prophecy fulfilling right in front of our faces is 1000 times more powerful and penetrating than what JWs are now speaking. The purpose of for many people to comprehend clear as day, this world government thing is leading to the Christ arrival, these HUGE developments, marked clear as day in active prophecy, can aid people to believe it, and that aids their salvation.

Creating a huge JW fiasco to a mind blowing recovery WILL GET THROUGH TO MILLIONS OF PEOPLE, because it is what it is, and God will use it to “rock the nations” so the “desirable things”, the final batch “come in”. GOD IS WHO IS BEHIND THIS, HE WILL GATHER ALL OF “HIS PEOPLE” (REV18:4), and that “my people” is a “great crowd”, it MUST be more than just JWs, and by that time we will have suffered a depletion of JWs and anointed.

But since this takes time, many of them will also be recovered by these HUGE SIGNAL events and a solidly verifiable timed “right condition” objective prophecy IN ACTION, LIVE AND REAL-TIME.

And from there on out into the 1260 days and then the 1290 days, IT IS ALL GOING TO BE LIVE AND REAL-TIME POWERFUL PROPHECY FULFILLING RIGHT IN THE WORLD’S FACE.


God is interested in the totally open and big final salvation call. SALVATION is more popular than destruction when you are appealing to human beings. SALVATION must be the priority in the message, many will know destroying world government is a given, it is the default setting of the Messianic Kingdom true sovereign system.

SALVATION is HUGE FORM, backed by the angels of Christ (Rev14:6-8), is much more powerful overall. Getting rid of world government is just a fringe benefit, it is part of the “little scroll”, but we need to see SALVATION is God’s and Christ’s HIGHEST PRIORITY.

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All we can personally do is trust Jehovah if it truly goes exactly as you say only Jehovah can sustain those he helps keep awake. [/QUOTE]

Well it is a prophecy. ANd as proven in the past these prophecies are not too complex. But they contain the context, the source, the anti-christian objective and sometimes a key verifiable future timing.

So any person explaining it like Fred Franz used to do, just explains the thing in context of developments all can ascertain, which match the patterns.

This apostasy is as serious as any of them, it means to stall progress and try to cease it entirely. OF COURSE God will have foreseen this and will not leave his own people in the lurch, even if in sins, that is par for the course, repenting of them is the challenge.

But in time Jehovah’s witnesses will have to then explain the same Daniel 8:13-14 meaning to people even further out of orbit in the world, but it will have a HUGE pattern that matches, and thetiming will make it undeniable.

Of course gettign JWs to accept this in the first place, is now the challenge for us, not God, he will act on the mind by another out pouring of holy spirit to ensure the first regiment of “locusts” will get the whole “calvary” going.

It took God being silent (Rev8:1) and allowing this to occur, in the same manner when he gets active he can cause JWs to see it very quickly, because the holy spirit removes all psychological barriers, which Satan’s spirit and various confusions puts in minds “blinding the minds” of people.

But it is in stages, as with grief the denial stage in time gives way to the acceptance stage. Either way, the context is which they will attempt to sack the org, will also clue many in that we are heading into a new global phase. In it, the final warning must emerge, because it is leading to Christ arrival as sure as going past Park Place on a Monopoly board, God has ALL of the final squares to Christ arrival marked in prophecy.

And the “second witness” prophecy is based on the same pattern as in 1914-1919, that is world war resolves into League of Nations, this time though, as full 8th King world government.

Once they make a truly global “grandiose words” claim to planet Earth, they can bet their soon to be smoking arses Christ will arrive to offer the final retort, in person. They will be well warned by that time, even enemy system people can switch sides if they want to live, the choice will be clear, choose the doomed so-called New World Order and die, or choose Christ’s Kingdom and live.

Very simple. It all boils down to a clear as day very simple choice, which these world government guys completing world government will help make clear as a bell.

Their butts won’t warm the throne more than “one hour”, but their termination is the last thing on Christ’s list, the global sweep4sheep is first in the order of priorities.

But as per Matthew 24:6, and contrary to JWs thinking this must be the end, we are at half time, there is still a lot to complete. (Rev10:5-8) JWs are beign deluded to help stall them even after they start to attack th JW org globally.


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We are in some very interesting times.. Better to know than not. Maybe just maybe to Jehovah we can be more useful someday. I will wait for Him to use me as He sees fit. [/QUOTE]

In time he will do just that and use Jehovah’s witnesses as he sees fit, not as the GB and KN sees fit as this time.

All useful Jehovah’s witnesses at some point have to give the final warning, and it will be THE FINAL warning. It will be exactly what it has and will claim to be.

They have not heard the last from Jehovah’s witnesses. Jehovah’s witnesses will be here long long after they are gone.

It’s just the final chapter.

(Revelation 10:6-7) . . .“There will be no delay any longer; 7 but in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to blow his trumpet, the sacred secret of God according to the good news which he declared to his own slaves the prophets is indeed brought to a finish.”

JWs are just being “delayed” at this time. But that WILL be changing in time. (Dan8:14)

By the time the judgemnt passes and JWs see the trees for the forst, it will be even more exciting, because it is all the truth, we are heading into the ACTUAL FULL BLOWN Christ arrival, when distinguishing the sun in the sky from blazing angels in the sky will be tough to do.

(Zechariah 14:6-8) . . .“And it must occur in that day [that] there will prove to be no precious light—things will be congealed. 7 And it must become one day that is known as belonging to Jehovah. It will not be day, neither will it be night; and it must occur [that] at evening time it will become light. 8 And it must occur in that day [that] living waters will go forth from Jerusalem….

This temple judgment is going to lead to full awareness of the Christ arrival with the greatest summarization of the “two witnesses” convincing evidence, past and real-time at that time, ever given in one short Dan8:14 to eventual 1260 day time period.

It will be truly the final open salvation call for the Adamic period.


[QUOTE who=”Irishdub”]
It is widely thought that Jesus did not originate this story…


Are you kidding me? Think that “should you pay head tax to Caesar set up perfect question (and response) was created by some amateur noob?


You think that Absolute Master of ALL Reality needs to plagiarize? LOL You gotta be nuts.

Some day your going to wish you took your FAITH more seriously, I kid you not. It’s not too late yet.

Christ was the Genius Brillaint One, but he did so simply, making his genius even more mind blowing.

WHO ever said you never have to die? Find ONE PERSON ON EARTH! Only CHRIST came up with that one too, it’s all from GOD HIMSELF. That si why Christ is so mind-blowing, it’s God words.

I mean when you understand only Christ said these things and many more, you understand why he is the “Son of God”, it is no lie. NO ONE ever has before or since topped Christ or said the kinds of things he said. NO ONE. NOT ONE PERSON, PERIOD.

Think about it.


[QUOTE who=” True Christian witness”]Only the meek of this earth will be attending any of the global regional Conventions, wherever they live on this earth. They are the only people who will hear and obey the direction to survive the great tribulation, and inherit the new earth, as Jesus taught. Matthew 5:5
Psalms 37:11


Only the meek of this earth will be attending any of the global regional Conventions, wherever they live on this earth. They are the only people who will hear and obey the direction to survive the great tribulation, and inherit the new earth, as Jesus taught.

Except the “tribulation of those days” leads to 8th King/King North world government, and as it is JWs are no longer keeping track of that rival Kingdom. JWs have been taught by the GB to attempt to bypass the “second witnessing” to announce the ramifications of Scarlet Wildbeast WORLD GOVERNMENT, to “ascend” from the “tribulation of those days” of the final “sword stroke” of Revelation 13:3; (Rev17:8-13)

Rather than finish the mission, JWs have become a UN NGO scarlet wildbeast mount in BTG, once again.

Therefore a “second witnessing” of the “two witnesses” is required and will come forth in the tribulation of those days to complete the mission. (Rev10:5-8; Rev11:1-7)

It will nd that final 1260 days into world government, and hence the Christ arrival it will have been warning of.

Jehovah’s witnesses are not done, they have only been misled to think they are done as per 2Thess2:1-4. The Bethel apostasy and real UN NGO meaning has yet to be “revealed”.

The UN NGO is the “transgression causing desolation” of Daniel 8:13 and the temple judgment timing of Daniel 8:14 must run its full course before the final warning 1260 days will manifest.


[QUOTE who=”Caciques a liar “]<quoted text>

Any lawyer that would use that as a defense would lose the case and their job


To the contrary. If it was JWs they can now charge for the repairs, as ruining a ruin, is actually repairing the ruin by disrepair.

I think $5000 dollars plus these unnecessary legal fees will be fair. Plus the Mexicans can now have a orange-suit work release program to ruin the ruins once they see how expensive maintaining ruins can be, and they can use prisoners to do the work on a regular basis, thus freeing up community conscious witnesses to their preaching work.

But JWs will not be among the prisoners, the judge will throw this case out of court and award the JWs 10K for the great idea this is. The lawyer will become a national hero and Teotihuacan will be the next project for JWs to repair, or prisoners because by that time the GB will have sent them to the JW bunkers to be hauled off in groups to Mexican prisons.

Then JWs can ruin ruins all they want, Mexico is full of them, and Egypt can be next on the list.


[QUOTE who=”I_know_better_now “]<quoted text>

They eventually had to make it obvious. They could never accomplish their aims without the peoples consent. This was the entire purpose of the Alex Jones types. Report it while you promote it. They will one day come right out and say they are at war with God and they are on the side of Satan. The same way they trun on Christmas and turn it off when done they will do the same with Satan’s rebellion make it appear ‘just’.. [/QUOTE]

And a “superstate” is WORSE than an EU, as world government will be far worse than the UN. A “superstate” is a european government control process to manage the massive meltdown that will manifest in the EU economic system.

As per Daniel 11:42-43, maybe the most literally written of all prophecies, the global crash the EU and US crash will ignite, will make a Global “Super State” necessary to manage the fall out.

And these globalists are not broke, they control 70% global wealth and will go into 100% in this process, because what is left on the national government “corporations” which they are by UN dfinitions, will be “collateral” for this massive global “new world” “loan modification plan”.

Because we have three of these cycles already explained by globalism researchers, and two (1919-1945) by JWs, this can be predicted before it occurs easily, it is the end game of the formualic process.

That is why truncating JWs ate 1990 UN 3rd presentation is so important. If one can see UN 1-2-3 one can easily predict UN 1-2-3-4 even without prophecy now. But prophecy is the clincher, all four UN presentations, UN1-2-3-4 are solidly right in prophecy.

But because JWs are unaware it is NOW UN1-2-3, they cannot see UN1-2-3-4, thus they as a GB controlled group cannot warn people of even UN1-2-3 and expose it.

Thus the detour of JWs as “governed” by the GB, is a very serious omission. But before it goes full UN1-2-3-4 into world government, God will cause the whole summary to come forth out of JW mouths, because in time those approved in the temple judgment phase, will have to and need to and want to make that UN 1-2-3-4 easy-to-see final warning announcement.

That it repeats “witness 1” 1914-1919 formualic cycle principles and prophecy well drilled in by “first witnessing” JWs since 1914, it will be easily comprehended by millions of people, because it is “predictable” by sheer logic, as well as globalism research projections as well as prophecy.

It will be a “grand slam” of a final warning, the “second witness” 1260 days of the final warning, completing 2520 days as “seven times” as this repeats in final form.

VERY VERY EASY to see, once we see through the GB smokescreen which the wind of Jehovah will fully blow away in time to help millions of others “see” all this meaning.


[QUOTE who=”I_know_better_now “]<quoted text>

It’s all in Jehovah’s hands. Everything.


Well what is in his hand, will be “handed” to Jehovah’s witnesses:

(Revelation 10:8-11) . . .And the voice that I heard out of heaven is speaking again with me and saying: “Go, take the opened scroll that is in the hand of the angel who is standing on the sea and on the earth.” 9 And I went away to the angel and told him to give me the little scroll. And he said to me: “Take it and eat it up, and it will make your belly bitter, but in your mouth it will be sweet as honey.” 10 And I took the little scroll out of the hand of the angel and ate it up, and in my mouth it was sweet as honey; but when I had eaten it up, my belly was made bitter. 11 And they say to me: “You must prophesy again with regard to peoples and nations and tongues and many kings.”

See that?

[You must prophesy >>AGAIN<< with regard to peoples and nations and tongues and many kings]

No one can make stuff like that up. Jehovah’s witnesses have to “prophesy AGAIN”, a second witnessing is what this leads to.

As time goes by, and as Daniel 8:13-14 gets marked beyond all deniability by anyone, especially now derailed JWs, it is going to get clearer and clearer and realer and realer AND CLOSER AN CLOSER.

The very UN entity we have been tracking, and need to track the whole way, will become the 8th King/King North WORLD GOVERNMENT entity that will bring on the Christ of God for the war. They will go all the way to global “Scarlet Wildbeast” world government. IT HAS ALL BEEN ORCHESTRATED FULLY SINCE 1914-1919, UN1-2-3-4.

It simply IS what it IS.

And soon we will have to “get up” (Rev11:1; Zech4:1) and say so en route to that grand finale of it all.

(Revelation 11:1) . . .Get up . . .

(Zechariah 4:1-2) And the angel who was speaking with me proceeded to come back and wake me up, like a man that is awakened from his sleep. 2 Then he said to me: “What are you seeing?”. . .

Jehovah’s witnesses have fallen asleep (Matt25:5), but that nap is to be ended very quickly in retrospect.

(Matthew 25:5-8) . . .While the bridegroom was delaying, they all nodded and went to sleep. 6 Right in the middle of the night there arose a cry, ‘Here is the bridegroom! Be on YOUR way out to meet him.’ 7 Then all those virgins rose and put their lamps in order. 8 The foolish said to the discreet, ‘Give us some of YOUR oil, because our lamps are about to go out.’

WE NEED to keep a reserve “oil” from the “first witness”. As shown in the above, some will have no oil, and dealer oil is fraud oil. The final “second witness” “oil” is based on the “first witness” “oil”, it is the same light, but this is the grand finale, you know. THAT original oil is what we reserve by continuing to BELIEVE it.

This is why the 1914-1919,-1945 “first witnessing” “oil” of Jehovah’s witnesses from God is TRUTH, UN1-2 included, All we need to do is explain UN3-4 that has now dropped off the JW prophecy radar by GB infiltration, as UN1-2-3-4 to world government and Christ arrival.

Very simple in meaning, but a challenge in doing. (But God makes sure it happens AGAIN; (Rev11:2-3) Watching world government step to completion globally, is as good as watching Christ arrive is what it means.


Because JWs have “first witnessing” “oil”, we are the ONLY target to subvert, as simple as that. Daniel 8:12 says the subverters “acted and had success” and Daniel 11:30-32a says it “acts effectively”. So even their temporary success against this first witnessing truth, is foretold.

But the “second witnessing” to include that UN3-4 continuation for a full UN1-2-3-4, is based on THE SAME “OIL”, it is the same global pattern as in 1914-1919, world-war-to-world-government, it is the same prophecy (Rev8-11). The “second witness” OIL is the same OIL as in 1914-1919.

And THAT is why the GB creates controversy internal at Bethel, so the KN opposition can discredit 1914 on the Web, they want even JWs and JW anointed to dump the original “oil”. See how many people now doubt 1914? They have DUMPED their original “oil” is what it means. They no longer BELIEVE it.

THAT is why we SAVE SOME EXTRA FIRST WITNESS OIL! 1914 is valid, it will not go away, it is “first witness” exposed TRUTH that will get a recap as one whole in the “second witnessing” to emerge from this temple judgment assessment of all JWs. (Dan8:13-14)


We want to be found approved for the second witness to take that final warning “little scroll” to be  in God’s Angel’s hand, we NEED TO HAVE AN “OIL” >>>RESERVE<<<. Protect your “oil” from those trying to get us to dump it. KEEP BELIEVING 1914 BASED TRUTH!!!! LIFE DEPENDS ON IT!!!!

(Matthew 25:3-4) For the foolish took their lamps but took no oil with them, 4 whereas the discreet took oil in their receptacles with their lamps.

Original JW truth from God is that OIL we save in a “receptacle” for the “second witness” GUARANTEED final “light up” BY BELIEVING IT. It will come, you can bet your life God fulfills his prophecy fully and in globally mind-blowing manner as well, a true grand slam announcement of the Messianic Kingdom is coming, from real ambassadors and reps of that MESSIANIC KINGDOM OF THE WORLD entity which WILL rule planet Earth forever, not UN world government, and this warning is required and guaranteed to come forth because billions of lives are at stake, AND it is simply the full truth and final summary. (Rev10:5-8)

That has been the gist of this “witnessing” from day one (Rev11:15), even from the days Enoch, David and Christ walked the earth, and now he will arrive to COMPLETE (Matt10:23) the very same ministry he started. (Rwev14:1-8)

It is ALL the truth, and it gets a wrap up that will be global and complete (Rev11:1-7) and FULLY OUTLINED IN FIRST WITNESS “OIL” PROPHECY.



Dogen wrote:
<quoted text>

Your “public record” is a delusional account of what you believe.

By random chance even psychics guess some things right. And they generally do BETTER than the JW cult because they are more objective and concerned about reality.
League Failure


[On Sunday, September 10, 1922, the nations of the earth that adhered to the abominable League of Nations were challenged and notified of the League’s failure decreed by God.]

(See The Watch Tower as of November 1, 1922, pages 324, 325)


it is practically conceded that the League of Nations is a complete failure and that its utter collapse is a matter of only a brief space of time.

JF Rutherford (May25, 1926)

UN Rise

The basis for this claim originates with a public address entitled, Peace – Can It Last given by N.H. Knorr at the New World Theocratic Assembly, on September 20 of 1942.

In this discourse, Knorr applied Revelation 17:8 to the failed League of Nations and asked rhetorically, “Will the League remain in the pit?” His answer: “The association of worldly nations will rise again.” (cf. Revelation – It’s Grand Climax Now At Hand p. 248)


[QUOTE who=”Dogen”]<quoted text>

The JW cult has a 100% failure rate on future predictions. Random chance is better than that.

Of course if Trump should win the election…. the end could be very very soon.


So, LIAR, in conclusion I think it has been established Jehovah’s witnesses have foretold the UN event means as covered in LON failure and UN rise.

Want another Jehovah’s witness forecast JWs will soon be speaking?

This world war will resolve into a final UN WORLD GOVERNMENT, and in that world war the present United Nation will go dysfunctional again, it will fail a final time prior to its final rise into world government.

It is all a repeating pattern. You may not make it that far, if not we will bring you up to speed when God wakes you up, if he wakes you up in resurrection of the unright.

In conclusion, you are a proven liar. You couldn’t point finger at and judge a turd on your lawn.




[QUOTE who=”Larry”]<quoted text>
I said that JW love Logic. I diidnt say they had logic. Once you have a basic understanding of the rules of logic(which JW think they do but they dont) things become different.
You gave me an example of the king of the north and south. Lets Follow JW logic shall we.
Assumption 1 Daniels phrophecy has a double meaning.
Assumption 2 Daniels 2nd forfillment is related to 1914.
Assumption 3. All the 6 assumptions surrounding 1914 are correct which are
Assuming that daniels tree prohecy had a double forfillment( not all prophecies have double forfillments)
Assuming that the inferance in daniel regarding that prophecy is about kingdom and time of jesus presence ( 2 assumptions)
Assumming that the times mentioned has a double meaning and 1 time means 360 years and 1 time meaning 1 year
Assumming that the infered gentile starting point of the prophecy is at the time of babylon and finishes at 1914. Because 607 bc is a date not reconized by most historians. If any historians.
Assumming that world war 1 is forfillmemt of that prophecy even though jesus mentioned other parts of that sign that were not forfilled in 1914 ie famine etc

So you see my friend if all the above assumptions are correct then JW could be quite right in thier understand of daniels prophecy
And yes Im am taking the piss.


They are.

Well with Daniel 4, Babylon has to mark 607 BCE, it is “GENTILE times” we are supposed to be explaining. Jerusalem is not a “gentile” symbol.

607 BCE marks at the least Neb’s ascension as Crown Prince of Babylon. That is a significant “gentile” “times” marking ascension. If we allowed 2 years fuzzy zone, he may well have been Crowned Full King of Babylon in 607 BCE.

So, yes 607 is historically “gentile” marked one way, or the other.

So Neb became crown prince in 607 BCE, and everyone knows the Babylonian dynasty of Neb lasted 70 years, or the first “seven times” example.

Since Jerusalem events parallel those of their “gentile” opposition in Babylon and beyond, it still makes 607 BCE valid, but Jerusalem went down in 586 BCE, you know, to keep with the “gentile” historic facts of their own “times”. Since Jerusalem has NOTHING to do with GENTILE TIMES timings, you see, they are irrelevant when they were “destroyed”, the 70 years they must parallel meets all prophecy 70 year requirements since 607 BCE, for GENTILES had been placing Jerusalem Kings since Jehoahaz (Pharaoh Necho placed), and even naming them, since the days of Jehoiakim, that is as good as “gentile” “trampling”.

Thus the JW logic is still in tact, but the “gentile” Babylon focus has to be respected in the whole prophecy. So, 607 to 1914 is still good, but GENTILE times has to be the full basis of the timing, NOT “Jerusalem”, they just parallel it.

Appointed Times of the Nations Reconsidered, Again—Seven “Seven times” Applications; Initial, Offset and Extended to World Government and Christ Arrival


Click to access appointed_times_of_the_nations_reconsidered_againe28094seven_seven_times_applications1.pdf


It just boils down to the fact WORLD GOVERNMENT [[completion]] will trigger the Christ arrival.

Very simple, and everyone can see world government complete, so everyone can figure out Christ arrives right after that global event.

And he will “trample” the gentiles, but preserve their kingdom “sure to” humans as Daniel 4 and Revelation 11:15 when the “Kingdom of the [gentile] World” sees the “Sprout” of that “tree” arrive for the global recovery under the Messainic King and Kingdom. (Zech3:5-9; Zech6:9-15)

Yes JWs were correct, but a couple little adjustments need to be clarified first. (Rev10-11:1-7)

That clarification is the “second witness” final warning, 2 witneses X 1260 days = 2520 days, or “seven times” related principle, but Revelation’s version.


[QUOTE who=”Larry”]
Question2. Do JW believe in these particular rules of logic
In view of the basic rules of logic. Are JW are morally obligated to believe the assumptions of the the governing body if infact when those ideas are assumptions?[/QUOTE]

Well it is recently when JWs, by GB lad, started to break their own rules.

Firstly, the Governing Body came from 1971, then 1976 WTBTS coup. The term “governign body” was first mentioned in 1944 among JWs, and from 1944-1975 it was NOT officially applied to what was up to that time the Board of Directors of the WTBTS.

So the GB have been breaking rules since 1975, only. And that is why JWs now also breal their own rules of prophecy logic, to the point they could join the UN as UN NGO UN Secretariat press aids, and think nothing of it.

So no, JWs are morally obligated to reject and shun the GB and remove them from power, the GB is a criminal coup and fully illegal, and that is when the problems arose, since 1975.

(Revelation 2:2) . . .‘I know your deeds, and your labor and endurance, and that you cannot bear bad men, and that you put those to the test who say they are apostles, but they are not, and you found them liars.

[QUOTE who=”Larry”]<quoted text>
So If the GB are satan worshippers then what makes you think your not?
Is it simpley as case of your logic is better then thier logic.
Do you have devine powers of insight.? and they dont.
Is it the fact that you have religious experiences ?
but JW have religous experiences also. Pioneering is great right?
The door swings both ways buddy.
Your obviously pissed about something. Explain please.
Regarding your application of lamentation to JW. Dude dont get me started . Double forfillments ?
Sounds familer.


One prophecy will have fulfilled FOUR TIMES. (Zech3) But yes, repeating patterns helps people catch on. As you say, some do not repeat, for example Daniel 8:13-14 and the timed downfall of the JW org for 3.19 years. (I popped that in here so you can take this more serious once the JW org goes down, soon; it will be a 3.19 year marked event, first phase, 2300 days total, it seems)

I claim to have sold my soul to Jesus Christ, as God is who makes the purchase by his redemption sacrifice.

Of course ANYONE, the Devil himself can make that claim.

You started a logic thread, so I boil it down to the simplest logic.

Tribes formed states. True? States formed national governments, True? We went from the tipi to the White House in forms of US government in about 120 years. True?

Logically world government is the next form of “government” to evolve from this government process, nations become “united nations” for what?

To form world government. True?

Well people have logial trouble conencting this final dot. True?

And to me, a Jehovah’s witness, but not in the religious team-label way some may think, I believe we JWs should be:

1. Obeying our own rules on prophecy that we formulated, and I believe by God’s help.

2. Up to date on globalization as the means to complete the world government evolution.

3. Not so lazy and gullible.

Yes, a cabal of GB parasites and fakes milking JWs for wealth they can use for their family and brothers and sisters does piss me off. The GB are leeches and thieves (Eze7:22) who should be tossed out, plain and simple, they took JWs from 15% growth (70-75) to a contraction in the negative 1-3% shrinking of JWs.

WHO, what investor, lets a board decimate market share and deplete growth 15%?????

See, JWs are lazy and ASLEEP, getting ripped off blind as we speak.

The GB have also amassed real crimes, money laundering, slave labor racketeering, embezzlement, illegal JW “legal system”, that will plunge the JW org into legal entanglements and global liquidations, soon.

The GB has “governed” the downward spiral of Jehovah’s witnesses, and stayed in power by use of fear.

The logic is world government has been, and will continue to be the global driving goal and globalization is the process that completes into that objective.

That triggers the Christ arrival along a continuum all can witness year over year for say the next 16 years or so.

See, the “truth” becomes generic enough, and transcends all religious barriers, so the average Joe can start to plan for the Christ arrival upon world government completion. By seeing world government complete, all can “see” Christ arriving to depose them, with enough time to plan ahead.

JWs should be saying this RIGHT NOW!

It is logical when they complete their goal for global rulership “world government”, the logical completion of the earthly governmental evolution already at work, they just might then hear from the true Universal owners.

Logical. Simple.


[QUOTE who=”Larry”]
Regarding your application of lamentation to JW. Dude dont get me started . Double forfillments ?
Sounds familer.

Daniel 8:13-14 is the temple judgment, timed to be provable to JWs after it has run its phasing and course.

But, true, when the JW org liquidation phase comes, and “the end” does NOT arrive as soon as JWs have been misled to believe, then yes, trials and tribulations will repeat a few known prophecy types.

TWO “witnesses” means TWO fulfillments.

I can prove what I say, if bias and fear do not hamper your logic. I want JWs to start to take it serious, and I hope others will too, we are at the eve of the LAST global cycle.

I am not a “doomsdayer” if you are tempted to go there.

I say, that prophecy says (Rev13:3) this world war coming up is not “the end” (Matt24:6).

It is the phase of “problem” that resolves into the world government “solution” at the end of the cycle. (Rev17:8-18)

And that cycle takes about 18 years, plus minus. So you have time to test this, and JWs going down will be your first clue this is real stuff. (Dan8:13-14) You can watch JW org go down right on CNN soon.

With Christ, there is no such thing as “doomsday”.

Christ arrival is a happy day. Dead things on the side of the road, pop up quite ALIVE the day he drops in. Jot it down.

JWs go down, but are recovered for the final warning 1260 days repeat of Rev8-11. Rev 8 is Daniel 8:13-14 parallel 1150 days that starts it off.

When you see that come true rather quickly, you may consider the rest of the forecast has some merit possibly.


[QUOTE who=”Larry”]<quoted text>

Details of daniel are not so important its the logic which is the issue.
To arrive at 1914 one has to make many assumptions.
Mathmatically speaking the more assumptions ones make to arrive at a conclusion then the least likely the truth of the conclusion is, and in the case of 1914 then highly unlikely.
Therefore does the GB have the moral authority to obligate JW to promote and believe 1914 then the answer is NO!

Well to examine the logic you have to examine the whole set of prophecies that arrive at 1914. Daniel 4 is a STAND ALONE prophecy that arrived at 1914.

Daniel 7:25, 12:7, Revelation 11:2-3, Rev12:6,14, Rev13:5 are INDEPENDENT of Daniel 4 timings and directly related contextual events. Now when one examines the 1260 day parallel timings and all the contextual sovereign features of those prophecies, then a whole new can of worms that winds to 1914 is also revealed.

So we are not talking overturning the 1914 period that led to the FIRST world government statement since Nimrod did the same thing on the plains of Shinar 4000 years ago, which even received a divine intervention, albeit non-destructive. (Gen10-11)

And to have a Kingdom of God DIAMETRIC Kingdom World Government statement to arrive in the very same year of 1919, is beyond coincidence in how this fits the divine theme of the extermination of the world government rivalry and the incarceration fo Satan, all of which events were either warned of or foreshadowed in the period from 1914.

Who wants to admit a war with God Almighty, and the Ultimate Warrior of All Creation Jesus Christ, and 144000 blazing immortal ones, and a billion billion angels is what this is leading to?

And THAT is why people want to sidestep 1914 and find any way possible to do so.

Once they complete 8th King/King North world government in the future, that very war will arrive to planet Earth, you can bet your life, as all are doing one way or the other.

They have modern JWs pretty derailed and in a UN NGO covenent themselves, so they think this message will be manageable to non-existent. But after the JW org is destroyed to whatever degree God dictates as Daniel 8:13-14, the VERY SAME SOVEREIGN WARNING OF THE KINGDOM OF GOD WILL EMERGE A FINAL TIME. If they cannot catch on to the “first witness” warning of the “TWO witneses” then God will REPEAT it with that soon to come “second witness” of the recovery period after JWs are laid low in the Daniel 11:41-43 context coming up.

The warnign was simple, choose them other guys world government and die, choose God’s Kingdom and live because time is limited.

It will come forth again, because it is all true. War from heaven is coming for the world government rivals. Them globalists want planet Earth? Then get past the Ultimate Immortal Warrior first.

The will be duly fully fair warned before game day, the Super Bowl of Armageddon. Enter the Ultimate Warrior and King of kings.

That is what it has been all about since 1914. A recap is coming after JWs have paid the price for that UN NGO “transgression causing desoaltion”. (Dan8:13-14)


[QUOTE who=”Larry”]<quoted text>

Details of daniel are not so important its the logic which is the issue.
To arrive at 1914 one has to make many assumptions.
Mathmatically speaking the more assumptions ones make to arrive at a conclusion then the least likely the truth of the conclusion is, and in the case of 1914 then highly unlikely.
Therefore does the GB have the moral authority to obligate JW to promote and believe 1914 then the answer is NO!

Well you entertained the possibility it may be true. There is always that possibility. And that is why the global liquidation of the JW org, told to you BEFORE it happens, and timed in the phasing and events of Daniel 8:13-14,26, may get you to reconsider the possibility this is exactly what 1914-1950s Jehovah’s witnesses have BEEN saying it is.

The prelude to the war of the great day of God the Almighty to free planet earth, its people and all creation from the globalist King North demon overlord puppets of world government which will also arrive before Christ in this whole final cycle process which merely begins, STARTS, with Jehovah’s witnesses. (1Pet4:17)

From that initial event of the “temple judgment” of Jehovah’s witnesses the rest will also surely unfold after Daniel 8:13-14 has run its full course.

The purpose is not world judgment yet, the purpose is to wake people up to start to plan and prepare for the full Christ arrival and be preserved in his war on the globalists. And the years this will take to just get to that final 1260 days of totally complete final invitational warning, will work for the benefit of bringing millions of people to this final awareness before both world government and Christ arrive.

Bringing a massive anti-JW-org liquidation and corporate takeover on JWs one can watch on CNN, will of course keep the global-spotlight on JWs, for when the final warning emerges (Rev9 to Rev11:1-7) from the same camp the first warning emerged from.

TWO WITNESSES X 1260 days each, past and at that time, is “seven times” as 2520 days fully complete divine warning complete.

Let the game begin AFTER that is accomplished. (Rev11:1-7)

That Revelation “abyss” ascension of the wild beast is world government at that time of the deep cycle future. (Rev17:8-18)

(Haggai 2:7) ‘And I will rock all the nations, and the desirable things of all the nations must come in; and I will fill this house with glory,’ Jehovah of armies has said.


[QUOTE who=”NorthPeace”]<quoted text>
I remember when I first read about the UN thing. It was on the old H2O forum, and although I’d been out of the org for years, at first I thought it was just a hoax, as did the JW participants. In view of all the WT had said over decades regarding the UN, it is understandable how JW would find this hard to believe.

“You wouldn’t see these WW2 Jehovah’s witnesses accepting no UN NGO bull, I can tell you that.”

We can tell by how willingly they accepted the lamest of “explanations”, JW were really desperate for an explanation – ANY explanation.





When I searched “new world order” and found it all over the WT CD from 1991 to 2001, with that UN NGO I just found out about in 2011, it was obvious they had become a UN Secretariat press aid.

The UN NGO in itself is a distraction, it is in the “Departments” of the UN Secretariat and is aprt of the “UN System”. By now WTBTS has graduated to UN Inter-Governmental Agency consultancies, which the UN NGO “pass” gave them access too, and this is well off the radar now.

Now WTBTS has toned down the JW streetwalkers taking around NWO mantra and globalist books and deals in their “constant feature”, now they have “brothers” doing UN lobbying in various UN-IGO roundtables for the wild beast world government promotional system.

JWs have to bite the bullet. This kind of UN partnership, and I mean PARTNERSHIP at now lobbying level, is the “transgression causing desolation” of Daniel 8:13-14. That “desolation” is upon the JW org visible cue, by global liquidation of the JW org that they are NWO selling to JWs as “it is simply the end of the world brothers, look no further”.

So obviously it is a GB internally aided corporate takeover we are seeing. Getting the UN thing into the JW ministry is how they get God to allow the desolation.

But in the long run, it will keep the global-spotlight on JWs, people can watch the JW org go down on CNN. So when the REAL DISCLOSURE comes forth, after JWs bite the bullet, the world will be focused on the location of the final warning that has to emerge after the full Daniel 8:13-14 TIMED events and phasing from desolation to recovery have occurred.

JWs will lose about 20 billion dollars in assets. JWs have no idea the org is now a 30 billion dollar enterprise and active skim job since the post 1976 reorg process.(10 billion has already been “skimmed”) And these are conservative estimates.

JWs have enormous “contributions” AND massively motivated and sizable GLOBAL “slave labor”. That is how they have built this real-estate and investment empire so fast. It is unique in this way.

That kind of money laundering stuff has to emerge as “time bombed” in on purpose with the coming liquidation phase which Bethel even “foretells” is “soon, very soon. (WT7/15/15)



The Smokescreen

WTBTS knows they are slated for removal, they are selling it to JWs as “the end” as the cover story (same delsuion as in 2Thess2:1-2), they use the GB PIed Piper (Dan11:32a) to fill the bunkers to kill and incarcerate as many JWs as they can in the JWorg liquidation phase, all bundled into big-bag-limit “bunkers” for Zech 11 “the flock meant for the killing”.

The global context wil be heading to world war and economic mega-meltdown, that is the context they accelerate the JW org downfall within in the Daniel 11:41-43 global-process.

They will tell JWs “Russia is now King North” to over advance JWs as they are already doing to Daniel 11:44. They wil tell JWs it is the “attack” of Daniel 11:44, when it is the “invasion” of Daniel 11:41 in reality. In this way they keep JWs expecting “the end” way way way TOO SOON to coverup the real meaning of the whole anti-JW-org global-process.

ANd for some time (Dan8:14), JWs will actually think “the end” has arrived. Do NOT be fooled with them, this cycle (Rev13:3) runs its world war course to resolve into 8th King/King North WORLD GOVERNMENT. FYI, World Government is the completed and stated (1Thess5:1-3) entity that triggers the Christ arrival. That takes over 10 more years.

They will toss JWs into their own personal global HOAX to try to capture and kill as many as they can “obeying GB as crazy as it may sound”. (WT11/15/13 pg. 20, par. 17, #3)


[QUOTE who=”Anonymous Brother”]<quoted text>But you will have it six months in advance.


We have been tracking the WT articles and the time period they will be studied to get some clue how they plan to bring in the liquidation phase and what they will try to get JWs to trust in. That little “6 months” may be helpful to help forecast the Bethel coup plan.

But when the King North GLOBALIST’s start to puppet Russia, the GB will get some credibility because many JWs think Russia will fit right in with the USSR continuum which failed as KN in Daniel 11:36b.

It’s just a decoy to sell Daniel 11:44 too soon to JWs. Daniel 11:41 is what it will be, and economic super-meltdown will complete the Daniel 11:42-43 GLOBALIST King North control of the global wealth system.

(Now they won’t tell JWs, but WT 7/15/15 is a new teaching, they have JWs expecting to be sieged “soon, very soon”. In the old days BTG went under siege first, but now they mixed it up and tossed in the JW org “soon, very soon” to come under gloabl siege.

What we know:

1. They know the JW org is slated for liquidation.

2. WT 7/15/15 also gives a “schedule” of how they plan to unwind it as far as what JWs will eb expected to “obey”

That too is unique for us old school JWs paying attention. They do not play up the fact this is a whole new schedule now. IT is not a “self fulfilling prophecy” to give the GB some final false cedibility so JWs are more apt to obey that Pied Piper infiltration unit.

Trust GOD AND CHRIST [ALONE]. They do not need man-made plans “as unsound as they may appear from a human or strategic standpoint”.

(3) At that time, the lifesaving direction that we receive from Jehovah’s organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint. All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not.

At that time? Frankly, that already sounds nuts, crazy, unsound and man-trusting. RED RED PIED PIPER FLAG; (Dan11:32a)

Beware. Trust IN Jehovah, this all has to happen first. (1Pet4:17; Dan8:13-14; 2Thess2:1-4; Matt24:6; Luke 21:9)

[QUOTE who=”Lordylordy9111″]Lets hope they get some of that prophecy soon. [/QUOTE]

They will. The 5th plague destruction of key Illuminati is how their “kingdom became darkened” at that time. When they angels go out to free up JWs from desolation, and to kick out the temple trespassers, the globalist have to be slowed down a bit.

It is not for conquest, it is to send a message that Christ’s angels are out and about and the permitted period of infiltration is OVER. 5th trumpet and 5th plague are related hits on key Illuminati project managers to free up JWs, to ensure the final warnign window, and to slow them down a bit. (Isa38, sun reversed “ten steps”)



[QUOTE who=”imagoodboy”]<quoted text>

I don’t understand what your trying to say in this comment.

Are you saying that the embryo was formed first than placed in Marys womb to give the appearance of conception?


Did the spirit of (??) mix with Mary’s egg cell to cause conception thereby producing an active SEED that would develop into God’s future son, as children do when conceived?

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So is it the spirit of an angel ?

Is it an angel spirit?

Is it the spirit of God?

Is it holy spirit?

Is it * out of * holy spirit?

Is it the spirit of life from * out of God * that makes things alive Ps 36:9, ?

Is it the same spirit of life that was breathed into Adam that gave him life?


I don’t think you are ready for getting into “spirit” meanings. You didn’t even know what a “species” is, so this leap is too much for you.

Humans have no way of knowing th exact mechanics of the “conception”, even now it is a total mystery to even the most advanced globalist genetic think tanks, because even the demons can not hack that “God technology”.

In reality, science and the divine are in harmony in essence. We are talking the very definition of “life” in the term “spirit” in its most basic meaning, and the invisible-to-human life form definition which “DNA” is just the physical picture of.

We are not going into these subjects with you. You need to have at least some basic understanding of the modern state of taxonomy and genetics to step into the quantum “blueprints” that guide such things as DNA and engramatic memory and that kind of stuff.

Let’s just say the more advanced the opposition has become to understanding the basic concepts that drive transcription itself, the closer they have become to the “sub atomic” structures that guide the formation of the entire DNA molecule, and they are more complex to the millions of degrees than that DNA science.

That is why the demons cannot aid science into these things they themselves do not know but are curious about. It is where ALMIGHTY GOD and mere angel part in mentality. Angels don’t go here, the Son has been given access to these deeper “God technologies” because the future is made of them. That is why God can forecast exact final global societal and governmental structures millenniums beforehand, this entire sub-atomic and “wave” based super-DNA world is fully pre-calculable by him ALONE, and adjustable as it unfolds as well, to HIM ALONE.

That si why the opposition has already lost, but their extinction has not arrived yet in the time pipeline, but it will, it is programmed in by “God Technologies” beyond all angelic ability, WAY beyond it. To God “Berkely Genetic Labs” is like a house of vegetables, they have no idea what is going on at the levels they need to understand. They have enough info to only hack a few “new sub-species” is all they have. NOTHING.

They cannot even make a new species, they can only hack existing ones. DODO BIRDS is what they are. EXTINCT.

Spread the news.

(Ecclesiastes 3:21) . . .Who is there knowing the spirit of the sons of mankind, whether it is ascending upward; and the spirit of the beast, whether it is descending downward to the earth?

When Solomon asked that question he knoew not the answer to, he was wondering if the basic “spirit” life and life form definition would be remembered by God for restoration later.

The most basic meaning of “spirit” is the very “cause it to become” a “being” definition God LAONE has full memory of down to the “sparrows” that fall, temporarily.

That spirit is consciuosless with out the angel, human, animal or plant, etc, etc “housing” from which spirit the life form divine information is generated which give the spirit “being”. DNA is way up the chain of what brings it about.

NO ONE can erase or steal that “spirit” from God’s “memory” for Re-Creation (Matt19:28), unless God erases it himself, hence the “lake of fire” kind of erasure from ALL existence in even God “memory”.

Now we can answer Solomons question. Yes, animals are restored fully to the last one (Isa34:14-17) in the 1000 year reign and after (Isa54) from that base defining spirit.

Hades and DEATH are fully emptied. DEATH contains many attempts at destruction of divine “spirit” being definitions. Animals are in hades the “one place”:

(Ecclesiastes 3:20) . . .All are going to one place. . .

So their restoration is doubly GUARANTEED in the “Re-CREATION”. Christ is not Creator, but he is God’s ReCreator, that is why Christ has downloaded by God’s permission, what is required to know and understand in these “spirit” definitions. From that the rest of the “creature” “being” can be generated.

God just says BE! and it will become by his Word, Christ.

IMo the 15 years of extra Hezekiah life-added rule in Isaiah 38, is the extension given to JWs as well, to emerge with the Destroyer acting on key Illuminati anti-JW-org, and to whack a few to slow down world government.

(Zechariah 9:8) . . .And I will encamp as an outpost for my house, so that there will be no one passing through and no one returning; and there will no more pass through them a taskmaster, for now I have seen [it] with my eyes.

No more globalist rats are passing through OR “returning” once Destroyer is around “in the temple”. They will get the meaning of that guaranteed message. He did not kill all the Assyrians in Hos1:7, Isa31:8-9, Mic5:6-7, but he will kill enough to gitterdone for the final warnign window.


[QUOTE who=”Larry”]<quoted text>

Wow.information overload. Backup my friend.[/QUOTE]


You going to NEED relaible information in the future, I assure you. When Daniel 8:13-14 proves and explains itself, you will have time and the required total motivation to review the whole forecast. Really, it is not that much info, they have just gotten us used to fast turnover times of new gratifications.

It is normal, in time you will take the time to review it all, because ti will be not just logical, live and real-time events in our faces will fit the prophecy features and overall PATTERN.

We must establish the BIG PICTURE PATTERNS as well here. The pattern is they use a cycle to present world government. The big picture is they will be confronted by the superior Kingdom when they complete that cycle. All human life on Earth will be affected for final one way or the other judgment of God, by Christ.

[QUOTE who=”Larry”]Jesus said “When you catch site of the discusting thing causing desolation as spoken through daniel……..” So Jesus applied that to his time.You say this is a paralell prophecy.


Yes, because even Christendom agrees Daniel 9:26-27 is the ONLY application to Christ of a “disgusting” thing in the Roman domiantion surge.

(Daniel 9:27) “And upon the wing of disgusting things there will be the one causing desolation; and until an extermination, the very thing decided upon will go pouring out also upon the one lying desolate.”

They manner in which Christ worded it:

(Matthew 24:15-16) “Therefore, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place, (let the reader use discernment,) 16 then let those in Judea begin fleeing to the mountains.

There is only two alternatives that match the wording:

(Daniel 12:11) “And from the time that the constant [feature] has been removed and there has been a placing of the disgusting thing that is causing desolation, there will be one thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Daniel 12:11 is world government final placememnt of the “disgusting thing”, way too deep in the final cycle for what we need NOW.

This is the one Christ means:

(Daniel 11:31) “And they will certainly put in place the disgusting thing that is causing desolation.

The closest thing we have to a “disgusting thing” related “standing in a holy place” is the UN NGO. And that is why even though the USSR failure is a King North application total failure at the same time (Dan11:36b), Bethel KEEPS that error in place in Daniel 11:31.

Why? As UN NGO wildbeast impostor and apostate supporters (Dan11:30b,32a) they MUST conceal the fact the 1990 3rd United Nations presentation event is Daniel 11:31 after the uniquely different Cold War phase (Dan11:29). Renegade Bethel MUST conceal the fact that King North is GLOBALIST WORLD GOVERNMENT development as marked by that 1990 UN1-2-3 3rd even of a UN1-2-3-4 four UN event total.

So JWs org is where to flee, the UN NGO is that “when you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place” and it is also the “transgression causing desoaltion” to the JW org in this first case, in Daniel 8:13-14. And it is all in a time frame of the post Cold War (Dan11:29) events that saw the WTBTS UN NGO and all this cover up also manifest in the very same period of that 3rd UNited Nation manifestation of Daniel 11:31. (Dan8:23a)

[QUOTE who=”Larry”]Question. Are all prophecies in the bible paralell. How can you be so so certain Daniels prophecy is a parallel prophecy?
Are you expecting Jesus on Judgement day to give you a pat on the back for these observation you have mentioned.?

Well parallel accounts, like Dan2,7,8,11-12, Rev13, 17 in the national-to-globalist world history of world government development gives us clues too diverse for inclusion in one account. So God parallels them, so we get what we need to ID the pattern and events.

Now we have the 1260 days time signature registration of Daniel 7:25, 12:7, Rev11:2-3, Rev12:14, Rev13:5, which parallels some more prophecy into that main Dan2,7,8,11-12, Rev13, 17 CONTINUUM.

That Revelation 11 1260 days links in the “seven trumpets”, so now we have that CONTINUUM OF THE FUTURE also all registerable.

So if we pay attention to the last set of prophecy rules (and the furthest point of prophecy progress), which JWs formed and now blatantly fully break and ignore, we can project the final cycle from apostasy, to temple judgment (Dan8:13-14; Rev8), which includes the recovery (Rev9), to the final warning commission (Rev10) and deployment (Rev11:1-7), into world government (Rev11:7; Rev17:8-18 “ascension”), and then the Christ arrival (Rev11:10-12), sweep4sheep (Rev14; Rev11:13), to conquest (Rev11:14-19; Rev19:11-21) simply.

1. We reject the GB and their stalling and subverting techniques. We recognize them as our required final signal apostasy, UN allied, and so on, all in prophecy.

2. We know the “seven trumpets” contains all events from temple judgment to Christ arrival, parallel seven plagues global context.

It does not take a prophet, rocket scientist or Sherlock Holmes to finish this up! We just stay warmed up on what they are now depleting and dumbing down from JWs, so they don’t do this. We do what they try to prevent. And we stay focused on the parallel prophecies, they are just about 20pages of the Bible, not much to cross relate really.

But was global events start to match the first parts of the final cycle continuum prophecy, we will then have to start to pay complete attention, that is the purpose. This thing will start to prove and explain itself is what will happen.

Now JW org desolation, tribulation of those days we will see all start soon. The world war “Sword stroke” is NOT doomsday, it “heals” (Isa41), into world government. World government triggers Christ arrival. And final warning must emerge in the active “tribulation of those days”. It takes several final years, so in time, millions of people can catch on over the bumpy ride, to the smooth out into world government.


Really, after a little eview it is pretty darn simple. I mean world government triggers Chrust arrival, how much simpler need it get? Plus, God wants to save people, simple saves more people. Plus, it is an OPEN SALVTION FINAL CALL for the whole Daniel 1260 and 1290 days, guaranteed. What do people have to lose? Who wants a bunch of blood-suckign bankers and lawyers ruling us? LOL

Choose the Messianic Kingdom of God and Christ, live. Very simple. Reject 666 world government servitude and worship. Expose it as it matures.


Though PCR has a few good points in his overall analysis, he feels the UN is insignificant and not an embryo of forming world government.

The Brit Brexit is a bad sign, with good impressions like PCR is reciting.

It means Brit is now pulling in liability BEFORE the mega-meltdown cycle starts. It’s a bad sign. It means the EU is to crash and transform into something way worse, and the UN will go through a similar final evolution. More “problem” to rebirth a “solution” that is WORSE than the original “problem”. EU is in the “problem” inception cycle point.

The destabilization effects of this “bad faith” Anglo move will take a year or two to be felt, imo, like 2008. It is setting up something to be seen in retrospect, it is for a good reason in the globalist coal black mind.

It has globalist blessing, they are shedding the snake skin for the new skin, same old snake, its just the nose part of the dad skin folding back at this time. Its the formation of the “Hitler Monster” in Euro corporate-matrix and “star chamber” form, with a TPP and BRICs legs to hedge some Euro fall out.

I do not know why people think EU dissolution somehow magically means NATO and UN can be taken apart just as easily. It just leads to more “super-state” entities with eventually even more dictatorial sovereign-power than they already possessed in EU, NATO and UN. NATO is like half of all global war potential in its system and backing structures, it IS a GLOBAL MILITARY SYSTEM. (Look at the NATO Unified Command map, see where Russia and China fit into the game board?)


Think that global military rulership distribution is accidental? See what Russia gets? See what China gets?

They ALREADY plan for the post world war day that Russia and China are part of NATO (whatever the new SNAKO snakeskin may be called). Russia and China cannot beat NATO war scale, no way, no how. (NATO is funded on its own globalist “fuel tanks”, all gold if required, but that won’t be required, btw)

I mean since 1990,  when Russia and China went full globalization marketeering and internal economy building in the trillions while contracting militarily, while similar trillions the US and (eventually the EU) have been pouring into Global NATO in purely military system and tech expansion, can you imagine since 1990 how HUGE NATO really is by now with the US weapons MIC system?

2-4 times bigger than Russia and China combined, and few realize that 20 years of this lopsided armaments build up in the US/NATO Euro side has been going on since 1990, while Russia and China contracted militarily in comparison to focus on their globalization economies fully drawing everyone fully into this “enforced dependency” model on the Anglo financial system. EVERYONE “went global” after 1990!

What it means is when Russia and China scrapped the socialist-economic order for the global-capitalist model, enriching the core Anglo finance engine greatly in the process, the US and NATO system was able to fully build a war machine at the same time, now many times larger than Russia and China. In effect Russia and China have tossed in 100 trillion to help build NATO go figure!

What it means is while Russia and China are at the global poker game betting on “globalization economy” which just enriched the Anglo finance system (to help run the “US is the richest nation” super-debt smokescreen), the Anglo NATO/UN military system is what the US/EU/NATO have bet on.


Because when the globalists toss the global game table, and turn out the lights, they plan to take the global-pot by FORCE, in what will not fall in by the financial coup already 70% complete. They can destabilize the US, because NATO is on another “tank”. They need to crash the US to keep them in line, but NATO can handle the US too.

Globalists bet on NATO and superior force to recover and win by taking the world when the SHTF by finance and force where required. And now they are many times larger than their nearest competitive military bloc. Mathematically they will pound Russia and China until they see stars, they will unleash the latest wave technologies on them from a hundred miles above Moscow and Beijing turning parts of their cities to dust just like 911, and Russia and China will get on bruised knees to the globalist world government system in time, the sooner the better they will eventually figure out.

Which has been the goal all along.

No one on Earth can now compete with a 500 trillion dollar UN-NATO system on steroids since 1990. They are out of their minds if they think the Russia and China “pit bulls” are even close to being ready for the 666 pound lean and mean post teen, self fueled, NATO War Super-Lion war-machine IN HIS FREAKIN’ PRIME!

They will play it up like any good movie, to keep the crowds glued to the world war screen, but when necessary they will pound the living daylights out of Middle East, and Russia and China like three humpty dumpty eggs on the Globalist wall of world government, and world government is exactly what this world war will end up resolving into.

And that Global World Government “World Peace” signal of sovereign globalization COMPLETION is that “peace and security” of 1Thess5:1-3 everyone has been wondering about. That takes over ten more years, there is no “doomsday”, it is an orchestration just like WW1, WW2, Cold WW3. An orchestration already intended to solve the “problem” for the world government “solution” final presentational and actuality.

There will be “dooms-minutes”, I mean some places will go through sheer flaming nuclear hell on Earth, but it will NOT stop global “life from going on” on Earth to that world government sales pitch phase, and final “grandiose words” branding packaging to sell that NWO world government POS jalopy to the globe. (Rev13:3)

It’s predictable because we have the stats, and they used this trick three times previously. It is UN1-2-3-4, 4=WORLD GOVERNMENT.

World Government triggers things beyond human, you know, like Jesus Christ and God himself. NATO will meet well more than its match that day, NATO is nothing to a single angel. Christ is showing up with a billion billion of them! LOL Poor guys. IF they want this planet they are going to have to fight for it. I guess they must have known that already. SPOILER: They LOSE. They are LOSERS.

Stick with the Winner Kingdom and live. Simple.

[QUOTE who=”imagoodboy”]<quoted text>

Couldn’t give a straight answer?

Where did it say Jesus is Michael? To be the same guy?

So you believe than that MICHAEL was dead and in the grave? Right?

Michael was the dead man in the grave right?

Michael was hung on the torture stake correct?

I have NOT seen this evidence, Jesus is Michael an archangel? It seems to be in your mind!

Michael is the name of about 10 persons in the Bible are they all heavenly angelic people?[/QUOTE]

He is called God’s Christ in Revelation 12. You connect the dot.

There is a reason to distinguish heavenly sovereign domain (God’s Kingdom) and earthly domain system (Messianic Kingdom) and the role fo Christ in BOTH of those kingdoms, plural.

Michael details tell us all we need to know at this time. Michael is only a heavenly sovereign name, Christ is a name that can apply to both heavenly and earthly kingdom sovereign roles.

Same person, but distinguishing Earth as a sovereign domain, with a sovereign Kingdom agency (Messianic Kingdom) is important to understand. God’s Kingdom does not rule Earth, but heaven. Christ’s Kingdom Messianic rules earth. God’s Kingdom is the superior sovereign entity which Christ is only temporarily king in. The kingdom Christ hands back to God is God’s Kingdom, he remains Messianic Kingdom king for all eternity, only he is “Son of David” Eternal Ruler.

Likewise, only God Almighty is King of God’s Kingdom when Christ hands that agency, the heavenly one, back to him at the end of the 1000 year reign.

The “woman” of Revelation gives birth to the Messianic Kingdom, the 12 apostles at the least had to be resurrected (Rev21:14) at that time, they WITNESSED Michael boot Satan from heaven, they are the only “brothers” who can say this:

(Revelation 12:10) . . .because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down. . .

The “crown” of that “woman” is new, it is Michael’s “God’s Christ” angelci-sovereign role in heaven, NOT in the Messianic Kingdom system yet, it was only born at that time. Christ is NOT yet King of the Messianic Kingdom (King of kings coronation of Rev19), he is King in God’s Kingdom first (Rev6:1 coronation), to oversee the rest of the process.

Michael is God’s Kingdom king, God’s “Christ”, the “crown” of that “woman”, the head angel of the “12 stars” which are of course angels and angelic organizational “star” orders of heaven.

It just keeps the angelic roles and the earthly roles of Christ distinct for a good reason for those who have progressed with the “sacred secret” this far. These details are not what salvation hinges upon, these things are for the “brothers and sisters” still down here, and those who will listen to them, to know some more about our King, and that MORE is yet to complete, the Messianic Kingdom portion has to complete.

Christ has yet to receive King of kings coronation, AFTER world government completes 8th King, to be coronated “in the midst of his enemies”.

Then it will be wrapped up as Daniel 12:11 winds down. That final coronation is as Revelation 11:11-12 leads to Revelation 14 in that 1290 day period then active to a degree not known at this time, but at its starting end. So nonw of this is slam dunk, it unwinds in what amounts to the completion of “presence” to the full “second coming” in King of kings capacity with the new sovereign agency to rule Earth forevermore, the Messianic Kingdom. (Rev1:1; Dan2:31-45)

We just make it more real and take it further than the stalled tail chasers, you know.


[QUOTE who=”pcloadletter”]When does Jesus make the second appointment…

If someone tells you like the GB is doing that an “evil slave” is impossible there is your evil slave.

We are only at Temple Judgment, not “the end” yet:

(Daniel 8:13-14) . . .And I got to hear a certain holy one speaking, and another holy one proceeded to say to the particular one who was speaking: “How long will the vision be of the constant [feature] and of the transgression causing desolation, to make both [the] holy place and [the] army things to trample on?” 14 So he said to me: “Until two thousand three hundred evenings [and] mornings; and [the] holy place will certainly be brought into its right condition.”

When that temple judgment completes, the final appointment will be made in this parallel:

(Zechariah 3:3-5) . . .Now as for Joshua, he happened to be clothed in befouled garments and standing before the angel. 4 Then he answered and said to those standing before him: “Remove the befouled garments from upon him.” And he went on to say to him: “See, I have caused your error to pass away from upon you, and there is a clothing of you with robes of state.” 5 At that I said: “Let them put a clean turban upon his head.” And they proceeded to put the clean turban upon his head and to clothe him with garments; and the angel of Jehovah was standing by.

The “turban” symbol is the new. It is an cleansed anointed group once again, but it will be tasked with the final warning:

(Zechariah 3:6-9) . . .And the angel of Jehovah began to bear witness to Joshua, saying: 7 “This is what Jehovah of armies has said, ‘If it is in my ways that you will walk, and if it is my obligation that you will keep, then also it will be you that will judge my house and also keep my courtyards; and I shall certainly give you free access among these who are standing by.’ 8 “‘Hear, please, O Joshua the high priest, you and your companions who are sitting before you, for they are men [serving] as portents; for here I am bringing in my servant Sprout! 9 For, look! the stone that I have put before Joshua! Upon the one stone there are seven eyes. Here I am engraving its engraving,’ is the utterance of Jehovah of armies, ‘and I will take away the error of that land in one day.’

Stone is temple completion Stone:

(Zechariah 4:6-9) . . .Accordingly he answered and said to me: “This is the word of Jehovah to Zerubbabel, saying, ‘“Not by a military force, nor by power, but by my spirit,” Jehovah of armies has said. 7 Who are you, O great mountain? Before Zerubbabel [you will become] a level land. And he will certainly bring forth the headstone. There will be shoutings to it: “How charming! How charming!”’” 8 And the word of Jehovah continued to occur to me, saying: 9 “The very hands of Zerubbabel have laid the foundation of this house, and his own hands will finish [it].. . .

We are only at Temple Judgment, not “the end” yet.

If you can take GB insanity as much as you have, you should be able to read this with an unbiased mind in spite of the HEAVY DUTY territory it will verge into very quickly.

To start, I will begin at the end and move to where you are at right now:

1. World government (8th King) takes over ten more years to complete; That entity, when completed, triggers the Christ arrival. (Spoiler; sorry)

2. To get there a final world war will have been fought and resolved into that final “solution”; (Rev13:3)

3. When that world war prelude context starts to manifest in the near future, they are going to LIQUIDATE the JWorg globally in that context, with the global confusion to accelerate and aid the operation. This is why the GB is “foretelling” this set of events in WT 7/15/15; 11/15/13

(The GB knows this because they are an infiltration unit of Daniel 11:32a, the GB is NOT who they claim to be.)

4. When this hits you may be scared back into considering going back to JWs. (This is why I am telling you this, as indicated in your commentary here)




5. As they liquidate the JWorg (at global scale; Dan11:41-43 global context), they are also planning to liquidate and incarcerate as many JWs as they can.

Wait it out DO NOT, UNDER [[ANY]] CIRCUMSTANCES, GO TO THEM DEATH TRAP BUNKERS. (You can watch JW org go down on CNN, from the comfort of your own living room, you DO NOT have to go down with it, JW has heavy UN allied sell-out infractions, that is why God is sackign the org by use of “Caesar” global powers; Matt24:15)

This phase will pass, it will be Daniel 8:13-14 “evening” phase.

Many JWs will think (in error; 2Thess2:1-2), “the end” has arrived. It has not, the “sword stroke” “heals” into world government as per Rev13:3; Rev17:8-13; Isa41:1.

The reason they are deluding JWs with the “doomsday” hoax is to crash the JW org, and JWs will just sit by thinking it is the end. It is a diversion, JWs will be in a global hoax, you can then explain this to JWs, LATER, do not get involved in them bunkers, they are Zech 11 traps. Daniel 8:13-14 liquidation goes on for 3.19 years, you can verify this later, then you will know this is no joke.

God bless. Don’t think God and Christ are not real just becomes some flake GB sets out to stumble millions.

The rain is coming, it is Isaiah 28 on JW org first (1Pet4:17), not “Christendom” yet. The GB will not make it out of the liquidation, hey are set for full “deposition”, g o n e for good. (Isa66:6)


[QUOTE who=”imagoodboy”]<quoted text>

Goodness me all I asked was some simple questions. And you still didn’t answer with all your waffle!

You couldn’t give a straight answer?

Where did it say Jesus is Michael? To be the same guy in the grave?

You do believe that MICHAEL was dead and in the grave?

Michael was * the dead man * in the grave right?

Michael was hung on the torture stake correct?

I have NOT seen this evidence, Jesus is Michael an archangel? It seems to be in your mind!


With your limited logical skills these posts are for others really. You cannot see out of a paper bag, you get stuck in facitious questionings because you want to stay in your dead end stall.

Michael is angelic, he became the man Jesus Christ. IN so doing the angel existed no more as a being, transferred to the human world, the “seed of the woman”.

Jesus Christ died to offer a real sacrifice to God which required death.

When Christ came in resurrection he resumed his spirit form, but with the Mighty God IMMORTAL upgrade. He still retains his chief angelic role, but now he is also continuing the process leading to global takeover, wherein he can use his human sacrifice, present with God, to restore human beings, of which he is not one any longer.

Being the first “new creation” he has abilities people cannot understand as far as all authority in heaven and earth, to apply the blood and the body to restoring mankind and thereby all creation under mankind.

He has many names as Revelation shows, which names indicate the chief God given function he performs under those many names and new titles, such as “Prince of Peace”.

Arch Angel is just one of Christ’s many titles and jobs, Michael is just one of his many names. And he has a “new name” he and God alone know.

The new name is connected to functions humans cannot even imagine.

(1 Corinthians 2:9-10) . . .But just as it is written: “Eye has not seen and ear has not heard, neither have there been conceived in the heart of man the things that God has prepared for those who love him.” 10 For it is to us God has revealed them through his spirit, for the spirit searches into all things, even the deep things of God.

That is why that “new name” is unknown for now, it is connected to the performance of God’s will done on Earth, which is part of things humans cannot imagine. Nothing is too good to be true, if you can imagine some good things God will do for creation, God will go well beyond your best imaginings.

Thus imagining the restoration of ALL the animals is not even stretching God’s reality he has in mind through the “new name” Christ of God.

(Revelation 3:12-13) . . .“‘The one that conquers—I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out [from it] anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem which descends out of heaven from my God, and that new name of mine. 13 Let the one who has an ear hear what the spirit says to the congregations.’

Michael is Christ’s first name. The Word Of God is the title and name of his primary function, to carry out all things God says.

Michael, Who is like God?

That Jesus Christ Michael being is the closest thing to “like God” you will ever see. No other member of God’s creation can hold that meaning for Christ is the Immortal Mighty God. (Heb2:14)

[QUOTE who=”NorthPeace”]<quoted text>
I fail to see how JWs are SPECIFICALLY part of Bible prophecy.

Let me ask you – are you a long-time JW, maybe a “born in”?



It’s not the religious label I am talking about, it is the anointed Christian function of being God’s “witness” I am talking about. Abel was God’s witness. It is not a religion, it is an adventure, it is a job. And it is a FAITH in God’s will and purpose for Earth through Christ, it is bigger than the universe, it CANNOT be monopolized by religions who use this basic truth to then form profiteering organizations, like WTBTS.

In time, when they try to do that, like Catholics and WTBTS, their corruption becomes fully evident to the world.

Jehovah’s witnesses are FIRST God’s witness of things he is progressively accomplishing. The religious label came about later. At one time they were a generic “Bible students” group, they even wanted to avoid the “religion” label, calling ALL RELIGION a “snare and a racket”.

That false and true religion bullsheet came about later, you know, as the thing started to corrupt progressively to monopolize the “Christian” product, to control JWs, to make bookooo bucks wiki wiki in the process.

Now JWs even joined the UN System UN Secretaariat by way of its Department of Public Information to act as global PR reps for the “wild beast”.

Thus you are not going to get any insight from JWs, they have devolved to the point of terminal, as good as face with eyes.

BUT, before JWs went corrupt, UN and man worshipign GB cult followers, they progressed the Daniel 2,7,8,11-12, Rev13,17 sovereign prophecy of the national progerssion to the UN executive brnach formation, ALL PROPHECY, but fail to plainly tell people the UN is the center of comign world government.

As JWs corrupted they also stalled in tracking UN prophecy. You know, billionaire WTBTS became too busy doing UN NGO service to tell people that 3rd UN event is also a prophecy at Daniel 11:31b and Daniel 8:23.

So JWs were the furthest point of the public declaration of rival 8th King and Kingdom of God sed-by-side prophecy.

World government complete and stated (1Thess5:1-3) triggers the Christ arrival. That takes more than 10 years to complete, over a final “sword stroke” world war cycle. (Rev13:3)

That is why it was so important JWs took their witnessing JOB so seriously, which they have now failed to do. That is why Daniel 8:13-14 comes on JWs first, and you can watch the JW org go down on CNN, and when it starts you can see for yourself what happens 3 years later,\.

A recovery to FINISH what was already started by God’s witnesses, by that time burnt down to bare bones to gitterdone. (Eze37; Rev8-11)

It is the final warning 1260 days which that Daniel 8:14 timing and cleansing “right condition” is leading to, in time.

Obviously, JWs are now NOT in a “right condition”


[QUOTE who=”NorthPeace”]<quoted text>
OK. So the next question is DO YOU BELIEVE JW are the only “true Christians” and the only ones who ultimately have the chance to be saved at the big A



God determines who is trying to “attain to repentance”.

Romans 2 shows anyone can be saved, not just a Christian, but they have to be “love your neighbor” leaning people.

All Christian religions, to use that corporate word, have some truth.

JWs are an apostasy. To be the real apostasy they have to have had actually “holy covenant” members, but it cannot be limited to JWs.


Because the Bible is the main document and it is generic and God purposes who he anoints, and he can pick anyone, of course FAITH is required. That is a main thing God is looking for.

Are now faithless JWs, placing faith in GB and org, a real example of FAITH?


That downfall results in a final global call:

(Matthew 22:7-10) . . .“But the king grew wrathful, and sent his armies and destroyed those murderers and burned their city. 8 Then he said to his slaves, ‘The marriage feast indeed is ready, but those invited were not worthy. 9 Therefore go to the roads leading out of the city, and anyone YOU find invite to the marriage feast.’ 10 Accordingly those slaves went out to the roads and gathered together all they found, both wicked and good; and the room for the wedding ceremonies was filled with those reclining at the table.

ANYONE can respond to that initial call.

ANYONE can respond all the way to Revelation 14:6-8.

When JWs got monopolized by the billionaire GB, they began to:

(Matthew 23:13) 13 “Woe to YOU, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because YOU shut up the kingdom of the heavens before men; for YOU yourselves do not go in, neither do YOU permit those on their way in to go in.

THAT is a BIG PROBLEM with God, JWs are actign lke stingy gatekeepers to access God’s Kingdom.


And to prove this, just watch what God does next to the JW org. They are that “city of MURDER” that goes down, to emphasize in time that final call of Matthew 22:1-14, and Matt25:1-13, and other progressive final warning parallels.

Since in reality we have over 10 years left in this system heading to world government, millions of anyones can respond to that final call.

JWs are to be made an example of, of what NOT to do.

They get recovered in those who can repent of the modern evils of JWs. The GB will be destroyed by God, you can check in the future and see if that is the truth or not. (Zech3:5)

These events begin the final OPEN SALVATION CALL FOR EVERYONE cycle. It takes some years to complete. It shall meets its God driven purpose.

Keep you eyes on JW org, it is the end of JW “religion” as we know it, not the end of the world, but the end of an apostasy phase which can and WILL be recovered from.

In the long run, we aint heard the last from Jehovah’s WITNESSES. We just need to figure out who we are supposed to be witnesses of, once again.

Same old story really.

Foretold Apostasy Always Precedes a Global Epic World Power Transition—5 Times in Prophecy


[QUOTE who=”I_know_better_now “]<quoted text>

I respect your perspective. Although I used to also share that view. I had time though see and realize there are serious blind spots with that way of thinking. I am all for God’s Kingdom I want it too. It pains me to say there is deception in the org that seriously disturbs me to my core. I will not lie, it made me walk away. If I did not I would have to condone it myself. Because that is the way of the org. Accept or be cast out. I do not subscribe to that thinking. Deception has NO place in God’s Will or in anything that represents Him. Everything I see going on NOW is lining up very much so with Dan 11:32-45.. I do not believe the orgs version of application from 100yrs ago is true, they misled us. Those things are happening now. I do not say this because of anyone else’s view on here. They have applied ambiguous techniques in the literature and on the website to blaspheme Jehovah. All corporate mind games. The sheep are trusting as always and they do not think it is possible but Dan 11:32-45 shows it is more than possible, it shows it would be the reality. I have experienced things you could not even imagine with the organization. I am not an apostate I am an experienced ‘brother’ who decided I would not support such evil. And I experienced retaliation for it. The teeth and claws came out. Because I caught them and they know it. The problem is our salvation is tied to the organization because they have said it has. Not true according to the Bible. Jesus warned about what will happen to the shepherds that stumble his sheep. He warned about what would happen to the evil slave, did he not? Well under those circumstances Jehovah must allow for unusual methods in dealing with such evil. I believed that because Jesus is head of the congregations and holds the seven stars meaning he controls what goes on in the congregations and those who dwell in them. But I realized that that is only partially correct. Evil can dwell in the congregation and or even in headquarters and not be removed as one would think should happen. It can dwell there for even decades and continually manifest itself. That is the reality that matches more the Bibles version of what it means to be a Christian. All the Apostles experienced real evil in their time. The Org likes to pretend that that evil does not exist in the Org and that anyone who sees evil is not spiritual enough. Well that is a ruse. That is how the world is, the liars do not condemn other liars. Because if they did they would be condemned.


God is taking a little time. (Rev8:1, heaven has been “silent” on this matter, but not for long)

BUT, when he acts it is going to be of “Biblical Proportions” on these deceptive evils and evildoers “IN the temple”.

Be patient, and expect it to be of “Prophetic proportions” because the snake “in the temple” is ENORMOUS, and will require actions never yet seen in person by Jehovah’s witnesses. They have infested the whole JW org, all the way down to the congregational level, and God must send fire to EVERY point of this leaven.

Just imagine the context that will allow this to happen! It will be HUGE and GLOBAL in JW org IMPACT. (SO HUGE AND MINDBLOWING MANY JWs will actually think it is really “the end”. But its just the START of the final cycle, do NOT be fooled)

Prepare yourself, when God acts it is going to be ENORMOUS in impact from treetop to the evil root that “slipped in”. They will have to remove some dead impostor pieces, lets put it that way. They are messign with the Destroey, the Temple Cleansing Super-Angel of God Almighty. (Isa66:6)


[QUOTE who=”Newtonian”]Bethel judgment – I totally and absolutely disagree with you about WTS NGO’s appealing to the UN for human rights, as I have posted above.


Look, with all due respect you are being a little naive here. OF COURSE THEY HAVE A “GOOD INTENTIONS” VENEER!

WTBTS is now a UN “Inter Governmental Organization” (UN IGO Aids) UN lobbying arm in OSCE and other UN “human rights” lobby roundtables globally. OSCE is an ARMAMENTS lobby. Do your research.

What business do JWs have to do lobbying for the UN on “ten horn” armaments organizations? You think God buys that “good intentions” “human rights” cover story?


WTBTS is now a UN lobby. WTBTS is helping mold UN legislative processes to rule Europe. Of course, the UN is all “human rights” concerned, they think all humans have the right to a 666 mark.

The UN NGO was just a distraction, they moved on to the UN lobbies now.

I think you are missing the point of what a UN NGO leads to. It is worse now than ever before in WTBTS UN “consultancy status” services. WTBTS is as good as 666 marked.

The JW org is going down, but for UN “transgression causing desolation” of Dan8:13.

THAT is what the WTBTS UN NGO equates to.

Eventually you catch on how serious this is, just a matter of time. (Dan8:14)


[QUOTE who=”red blood relative”]<quoted text>

so, you are saying that the fulfillment of your 7 times nebuchadnezzar prophecy and your numerology is that satan was kicked out of heaven in 1914?

but god’s kingdom isn’t ruling yet, cause satan is still ruling and there are still called ones down here being tested.

was the kingdom born in the heavens?……… did the last 42 moths start in 1914 with the anti christ killing the two prophets?

or are you just lying about 1914 because you want to pretend you were right while you claimed the 7 lamp stands were thrown down, and your organization became the new jerusalem already here.?[/QUOTE]

This is a big sovereign operation.

God’s Kingdom will not rule earth, it rules the Messianic Kingdom which agency rules earth.

That MK agency was only “born” in 1914,

Kicking Satan out of heaven was a sovereign statement he could no longer operate from there, while the Revelation 11:15 announcement from 1870s to 1914 was made, informing the earthly rulers of this world that Christ shall be ruling Earth, they have been notified.

It was a dual sovereign notification, therefore, in heaven and Earth, Satan go his in the face, the earthly globalists got their writ in writing and word only, for now.

Christ became King in God’s Kingdom wherein God is KIng, so this is a temporary position as such to oversee the Messianic Kingdom completion process along with this sovereign statement period of the first of TWO witnesses.

JWs have now gotten sluggish and forgot what it is we are [supposed to be] doing here.

So Daniel 8:13-14 temple judgment comes first, to cleanse the temple, to form the final warning.

In case some may have missed the first warning, God will repeat it. There must be a “second witness” of the TWO witnesses:

(Revelation 11:3) . . .And I will cause my two witnesses to prophesy a thousand two hundred and sixty days dressed in sackcloth.”

2 x 1260 days, 2witnesses x 1260 days, 1914-1918 and future, is 2520 days or “seven times” full warning completed in the future.

To continue the dual sovereign “two birds with 1 stone” kinda thing, Satan will be abyssed and world government will be terminated by Christ, upon Messianic Kingdom completion coming up.


[quote=’BaronAmity’ pid=’74462′ dateline=’1467265498′]
Please provide evidence. Please don’t deal with all countries a priori- please get specific. For example- can you provide evidence that China is controlled by the Illuminati? Cuba? If you can’t discuss specific countries that are considered to lie outside imperial hegemony and provide evidence that they serve the Illuminati but only talk in generalizations and not specifics, then I won’t be able to conclude that you are qualified to answer my question.

Sometimes basic concepts aid seeing the “big picture”, aids the more detailed “micro” analysis later.

Research “enforced dependency”, it will take you one level of detail up in how China is a controlled unit. Once you see the principles of enforced dependency you’ll understand how all nations are progressively more and more controlled by the “sun”, that is the most massive object in the financial system. Same principle.

I don’t want to at this time, due to other priorities get into, micro details yet.

The documentary called “Princes of the Yen” will show you how Japan is controlled. There is different techniques for different countries. Financial control is the first control handle, because it drives everything else.

After 1990 Russia and China became globalist market and gold investors, for the first time in official capacity. Just think about that for a few minutes, think of the scale we are talking about being attached to the market system overnight essentially since just 1990.

It was a totally different world before 1990.

In time I’ll provide specific examples and evidence China is ” in on” world government, the tops of their countries are Satanic cabals just like the top of the Anglo, US, Russian and Arab systems. I mean avowed, human sacrifice sealed top Satanists. The “Illuminati” is just a distraction to divert attention from the real scale of this supra-earthly operation.

Here is a Big Basic Picture

It is NOT “globalist intrigues” that tie these guys together, not just “blood lines” it is deeper, it is SATANIC ORIGINS at levels of Satanic relationship in DNA that transcend “national identity”. Satan’s children in Asia or Russia or the US or Arabia are ALL RELATED to Satan at a level of Satanic paternity far deeper than the human ideas of “race” and “nation” and “DNA”.

Neither language, race nor nation is a limitation for Satan’s core family, but an opportunity. The “Illuminati” are just one bedroom in his mansion here on Earth. The Satanic takeover of planet Earth is through all nations of Earth. He is a master infiltrator of human minds and genetic, he has his own genetic abilities as well, plus he is very very old, relatively powerful and very intelligent. (Gen6)

Think big here, use your imagination to go beyond the things which require evidentiary understandings humans can grasp based on empirical exercises over and over again, such as what has exposed the Illuminati. They are a snowflake on the tip of the tip of an iceberg.

Think of the super-things that have not been proven yet or even near to being exposed, which run the whole thing, and they are there, and this is real, and DNA and nations and human science are just part of its smokescreen to divert attention to tips of icebergs as big and old as this universe. All “awakening” at this point is also part of the diversion now.

But have no fear, the ones coming to remove Satan, his families and his works are beyond him in intelligence and powers by millions of degrees. He is very powerful compared to inexperienced and rather recent and weak human beings, but he has a Maker, that is the One to appease, he is nothing compared to GOD ALMIGHTY and his family.

Everyone from these two families’ human world representations (Gen3:15) are now here on Earth in completing form for this final phase en route to Satan’s ouster. The first one was called Jesus the Christ. There are more (Heb2:14), and more progress and conflict is coming.

See, Satan runs the whole earthly show, through his demons then into his earthly “seed”. Human beings not of either of these affiliations are the majority here, they are why it has been delayed, because honestly human beings do NOT want to serve and worship Satan naturally, fresh out of the box.

Humans MUST be deceived, coerced, bribed and corrupted into Satanic service, Satan’s ” seed” is his family right from birth, they lead the corruption and deception system to get the rest of the unaffiliated human beings progressively, and the “seed” of God elements are also a target.

Adding detail to this just starts to divert into named structures here on Earth that ends up furnishing distractions and dead-ends and detours so as to not connect the final dots. (Like religions and histories tend to do)

Boiling it down to its most generic outline connects all the dots, by basic concept. Satan is progressing, when he meets completions dangerous to all life on Earth in far more direct manner than present now, like a 100% global tech and weapons system controlling world government, the conflict will have t become very direct from the opposition forces against Satan.

To save humans in the process, this has to unwind over a little time, they are removing Satan completely and extricating his family unit from Earth systematically (Am9:1-3) but entirely, while preserving non-combatant human beings, and everything else alive.

As Satan gets more powerful over these next say 10 to 15 years, all this will make more and more and more sense. Only one power system can remove Satan from this universe and earth, they are coming when it will be necessary to escalate the conflict, or you know, Satan would end up wiping everything out on planet Earth. (Matt24:21-22) No can do sonny.

Man is getting near to systems and technologies that are extremely dangerous when in the wrong hands, such as a Satanic “interface” “possession” of that nano-computing super-system global weapons and precision energy system network “cloud” which may even have anti-matter capability by that time.

THAT is what these poor globalists fools are working towards, the system that is, their rationale is they need to thin the planetary human herds (their depopulation priority rationale drives it). Satan’s rationale, prior to abyssing, is to wipe EVERYTHING out with that system before he goes, including the globalists go figure.

He will fail. But he will try. That is why he controls all nations more and more every day now, to try to meet his final goals, and that final goal. No nation can escape because they are first taken from within, from the top, because Satan’s seed is already there now, running the national shows in human form.

Think they are going to up and say “hi everyone, we are sons of Satan for real!”.

Hell no! LOL


[QUOTE who=”NorthPeace”]<quoted text>
You really went a long way to dance around a very simple question – “DO YOU BELIEVE JW are the only “true Christians” and the only ones who ultimately have the chance to be saved at the big A”

A simple yes or no would suffice, should it not?



Are you kidding? You can’t figure out the answer is no, no questions asked?

In fact JWs are now so bad, if God did show up with a pop quiz they would all fail, except for a few fled ones.

Jehovah’s witnesses are in terminal apostasy as defined in the covenant, the Bible and their own broken rules.

Aside from the Pharisees, the GB is the most severe impostor and apostate leadership ever.

That is why what is comign on JWs is coming. And when it does and you see it, you will reconsider these things more seriously, it will be Daniel 8:13-14, because JWs are now in the “WRONG condition”.

But classic Jehovah’s witnesses, when they [used to be] faithful to God and Christ ALONE, are a model of the imperfect human most likely to be saved.

But the real salvation gloabl-sweep-4sheep must include other people, even non-Christian’s who love their neighbor as themselves. If we love our neighbor as ourselves, salvation is guaranteed, no matter who we are. Love covers everything. Because this is the transition into the first days of the everlasting Messianic Kingdom, many people can be transitioned into the Angel Camps Global to go into Christ Bootcamp, to start to be transformed into the new way, much easier than say when the flood came.


See, Jehovah’s witnesses have shown timed prophecy is for verifying the big start up cycle of prophecy and the global events it parallels.

So this is what people will see in timed manner:

1. JWs go down in temple judgment to cleansed recovery over the Daniel 8:13-14 timing.

2. In time a final warning must emerge as the world can verify it is tribulation of a final “Sword stroke” world war and economic super-crisis-global.

3. That phase resolves into world government.

4. Global religions will be outlawed and dissolved 100% under world government.
(This is also when the final warnign is ceased as Rev11:7; Dan12:11)

Now, even people who watch their beloved religion be deposed, can make the final salvation call of this period:

(Revelation 14:6-8) And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, and he had everlasting good news to declare as glad tidings to those who dwell on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people, 7 saying in a loud voice: “FEAR God and give him glory, because the hour of the judgment by him has arrived, and so worship the One who made the heaven and the earth and sea and fountains of waters.” 8 And another, a second angel, followed, saying: “She has fallen! Babylon the Great has fallen, she who made all the nations drink of the wine of the anger of her fornication!”

It merely beings (1Pet4:17) with JWs, their beloved idolotary org is to be sacked. That will wake up many JWs first. (Matt25:1-13)

But a number of years after that, that same principle is coming on all religions, for th same effect, to wake upo people to the FACT God’s Kingdom is the only choice.

Unless, after all those warning milestones, you want a 666 NWO world government instead, because only the most stubborn of people will choose that wild beast system. But it si what ti is, some do, they are called “goats” in Bible symbology.

Starting this whole final cycle process on JWs, and taking a few years of more milestones after that, is for the purpose of waking many people up well before world government and Jesus Christ arrive.

Jehovah’s witnesses are a sign, and will continue to be the sign.


[QUOTE who=”Newtonian”]<quoted text>

No, I do not need to know all the details about the governments and powers of this world.

Nor do I just believe, gullibly, that you have a handle on this either.

All I need to do to remain neutral is to obey Jesus Christ as the anointed King of God’s Kingdom – as depicted in the prophecy of Isaiah 2:2-4 as the mountain that has been lifted up above all other mountain-like and hill-like governments.

I am so thankful to be part of Jehovah’s organization that is enjoying the miraculous fulfillment of Isaiah 2:2-4 –


Recognizing God’s Kingdom as the highest government and giving our undivided allegiance to God’s Kingdom and not giving allegiance to any human government.


Being many peoples from all nations learning God’s ways, walking in God’s paths and learning war no more!

While I would like to be sure of who the King of the North is – this is not required for salvation.

And I do know who the King of the South is – and that therefore you have that part wrong.

My suspicion is that the King of the North may be the 6th head of the wild beast which had, it seems, more than one death stroke that was healed.

But that is just an educated guess.[/QUOTE]

See, with all due respect, this is the problem with modern Jehovah’s witnesses. WE talked about about beign humble and reasonable but modern JWs will not even consider another person’s rationale.

JWs have gotten onto a high horse trusting what the GB says is all they need to know.

The GB “lifted themselves over everyone” claiming they ALONE are faithful and slaves of God, it was 2Thess2:3-4 right in our face.

The modern man of lawlessness has LITERALLY “sat down on the temple” of Jehovah’s witnesses, and globally publicly proclaimed and judged themselves FAITHFUL AND DISCREET SLAVE. Now if that is not “lifting themselves over everyone” what is?

Other sheep can be a “domestic” now, that was the “eat it and smile” shill.

What about other anointed? CUT OUT 100%!!!!!!


“Other anointed”? That GB aint even Christian much less anointed, they are MOL renegade seed of Satan.

If JWs can take that kind of GB “lifting themselves”,and the UN NGO, there is now nothing JWs will not accept as “worship”. If God did not act soon, and he will (Dan8:13-14), JWs would eb led to fully accepting 666 world government with cheers and whistles.

THAT is how far gone JWs have spiralled. The GB is why and how this happened. (Rev8:10-11)


[QUOTE who=”the Mad JW”]<quoted text>

Which have gotten flatter than before.
Todays lesson- THREE “You’d do well to ask yourself”s….
The Speaker was a Bobber (head up and down as he read), almost like a Walking Dead.
It was VERY discouraging……[/QUOTE]

We had a legally blind elder and we were standing in the back of the hall, talking and it led to King North and I said aint it amazing how the “two horned wildbeast” and “scarlet wildbeast” whole has to now converge into the King North globalists world government thing?

He heard it, but made a comment to not pass up “the slave”, because that was the time the GB became the “slave” that week. I thought the slip may lead to sit down pow wow with some concerned elders, but nothing came of it, but I did see the hair on his back rise up.

But we had talked on the phone before that, when I was going to go out to the prison to do some Bible studies with the brother doing that about ten years, and I went through Revelation “give their power and authority” with him in financial debt-coup meanings over the phone, and he was like “that really makes a lotta sense” before we had that other conversation. So he was open minded.

I think it will stick in his head, but I had to split once the GB “lifted themselves over everyone” “in the temple”, there was no more blasphemy I could accept, and I had just found out about the UN NGO in 2011, so it was going to my Matthew 24:15 commanded exit anyways.

I found out about the GB lift up as did som other JWs well before the elders, unless they are Cedar’s readers, which I doubt they are. So, it was strange knowing about the “man of lawlessness” as represented in that GB “lifting themselves over everyone”, before anyone else. It finally came out in 2012. My jaw dropped, that was ALL I am going to take from that GB Satan Squad UN NGO cabal of temple takeover rogues.

THAT is how I know we are also in for a judgment first. (1Pet4:17; Dan8:13-14) NO WAY would God approve of men approving themselves BEFORE his own judgment will do so once again. That GB stunt was “playing God”, they all got in committee and said “you know WE ALONE are the faithful, WE ALONE are God’s slave” all agreeing say aye!

They judged THEMSELVES faithful. And there you have, in reality, the “evil slave” leadership.


[QUOTE who=”the Mad JW”]<quoted text>

Sounds like a churchoid ‘answer’.
Will some of the sons of God inherit the Earth, living on it forever- or NOT?[/QUOTE]

Maybe not.

If Jesus Christ is the Eternal Father (which he will be called), even earth sheep are “born again”, but in a different perfection of Jesus Christ their father, because he is perfect man access, and perfect Mighty God access.

But God is father of spirit born Christians, Christ will become father of all perfected humanity. BOTH require beign “born again”, but in different manners at different times, spirit first, earthly last.

It seems all are “born again” yet respecting God’s will for earth and humans, all humans must be Last Adamic perfection, in Christ the provider of it in sacrifice and the Eternal Father, since his Bride is not to be barren. (Isa54) and will have way way more than 144000 children. (Btw JW current Isa 54 understanding is about the wrong “woman”, Isa 54 is about the Bride of Christ)

Now if we did not have a spiritually DEAD Bethel leadership for like 24 solid years (UN NGO benchmark) and counting, we could EASILY have progressed into a final few last details to harmonize the whole, and remove stumbling blocks that NEVER should have been weeded in, like that “generation” thing, it simply does not work.

A generation in Jesus day was mostly apostate Jews, a few faithful, hence the judgment theme of Matt24.

The GB is there to stumble, slay, destroy and create controversy protected within the JW ministry. (John10)

In reality, a few final things must be said after the temple judgment. (Dan8:13-14) GB is not their to “smooth it all out”, but to place and keep stumbling blocks and lawlessness.


[QUOTE who=”Larry”]<quoted text>

Yes. But I dont agree that assumptions based on Gods word is Gods word.
I also believe that any wrong ideas that a person promotes is accountable to Jesus on judgement day and it is so so so easy to have a misunderstanding.
In order to believe the 1914 idea one has to make certain assumptions.
To be optimistic about 1914 one has to make at least 6 assumptions.
Now suppose I said I believe you newtonian of all your 6 explainations for the conditions of 1914 to be correct. The date of the start time etc….
Suppose I said I am 90 percent sure of each explaination you gave me for the six conditions. Wow 90% im a true believer.
Now if any one of those 6 conditions were untrue then the whole 1914 idea would fall apart.
So lets do some basic maths.
6 conditions
90 percent chance that each condition is correct
The Result is the possibility of 1914 being a correct date
90% times 90% times 90% times 90% times 90% times 90% equals
0.9 x 0.9 x 0.9 x0.9×0.9×0.9×100 which equals 53% chance of 1914 being correct.
Conclusion. Even if I was 90% sure of each explaination for each conditions you gave me the fact that there is a small 10 % uncertainty adds up exponentually each assumption you make.
Im not saying 1914 is not correct. Im simply advising a certain level of discretion.

Here is what it is boiling down to. JWs now have a clergy that has devolved that ministry to the point they do nothing to smooth out stumbling blocks, even the set of timed prophecies JWs originally used to “prove prophecy” is fallen on their own deafened ears.

JWs and the churches are now in the self same “boat”, and that boat would be “Babylon the Great”, because clergies and GB “supreme councils” originate with the Babel mysteries and religions.

So what we need is another timed prophecy, not from the past, but live and real-time unfolding on the now aposstate JW ministry and that prophecy is Daniel 8:13-14.

AFTER that prophecy starts and proceeds to fully PROVE ITSELF in anti-JW-org events, that is the judgment of this JW apostasy, then JWs and everyone else capable of understanding it can get on the same page.

JWs need a shock, if they want to deny the GB is a promoter of global lawlessness, and a fear and coercion control group to control JWs, they are in WORSE denial than the churches who under a similar misleading influence, clerical, clergy based apostasy.

It si time for ANOTHER timed prophecy independent of any former areas of controversy. The final smoothing of now JW stumbling blocks kept in place by GB, will occur after the GB is destroyed by God.

Altogther it will be the sign of Daniel 8:13-14 and Zechariah 3:1-5. JWs are who are in the “wong condition” and the “befouled garments” state.

Judgment purifies that condition.

Jot it down, test it all later, even JWs will in time have to accept Daniel 8:13-14 for what ti is and what it is timed to prove live and real-time upon that “house” (1Pet4:!7), first.

Christendom’s apostasy has already gone global and public, JW apostasy is yet to do the same thing by divine timed judgment, just like in 1914-1919 when this whole “timed prophecy” thing became an issue and verification technique.


[QUOTE who=”Larry”]<quoted text>
The GB failed at thier predictions because they comitted logical fallacies. [/QUOTE]

Now as far as Russell, Rutherford and Fred Franz, they all made some mistakes, and updated things as they progressed.

But we only have problems with Daniel 8 and 11 now, as far as sovereign progression to “King North” world government which Bethel is covering up now, but it is easy to explain adjustments. Things that stumble like “this generation” will just be dumped 100%.

The 607 BCE to 1914 thing is good, it just needs to shift to Babylon’s history, 607 BCE being Neb’s ascension date. Since it is GENTILE times, we need to stick to GENTILE timings. Jerusalem is not a gentile symbol in the Bible, but their intrigues parallel the rise and fall of Neb’s Babylon for that first 70 years “seven times”.

Appointed Times of the Nations Reconsidered, Again—Seven “Seven times” Applications; Initial, Offset and Extended to World Government and Christ Arrival


Click to access appointed_times_of_the_nations_reconsidered_againe28094seven_seven_times_applications1.pdf

You really should save a copy of that PDF, it has some graphics that lay ti all out that can be very useful for future reference.

We won’t dump 607-1914, just adjust it as shown in that report and why. Jerusalem went down 586 BCE, to keep with the “gentile times” historians pretty well proven multi-source history. Even th Jews agree in was around that time, certainly not 607.

But as per the apostate and impostor goal (Dan11:32-35), Bethel keeps any error that stumbles in place by pain of inquisition and shunning to any who try to adjust things so as to stumble less people. But that is also covered in that PDF.

Bethel must be exposed fully, in time. (2Thess2:1-4) It forms the initial chapter of the final warning.


[QUOTE who=”Larry”] JW faith like most christain faiths today is not only just based on mis guided logic.


If we boil it all down to the basic Bible logic then it is not misguided in any Christian or person having faith all the way back to Abel.

This here planet is being ruled by evil powers demon and human and that has to change and God will give fair warning before they arrive to make that change. There are evils on Earth God will not tolerate, evils that must be terminated in their root causes.

But Satan has taken hostages. And as with anything God has ever undertaken, he has a purpose, strategy and it requires time, but God is very precise in the outworkign of the purpose to inculde freed hostages as part of the solution.

Once God is done with these final stages of the required assimilation of hostages into Kingdom capacity, he will act, and when he does it will be global in scope and it will sweep the “heavenly places” (Eph6:12) of the demon background and top powers as well.

Getting to the final completions merely takes a little more time, for example the opposition needs to also complete their full global scale world government entity and show full intention of carrying out their final agenda contrary to God’s stated will and purpose.

Then the fur is going to fly on the “scarlet wildbeast” and so-called “new world order”. Nothing new about it, Satan has been running this place for 6000 years and that allotted time has come to its end. Time for abyss now, time to give Jesus Christ his turn at bat.

Everyone knows the basic plot and logic of the Bibles story of evil versus good. Religions are here to distract from it, discredit it and give it a bad name as JWs are also now doing.

But it does not change the reality of God’s existence, Christ’s existence and their purpose to take over planet Earth lock, stock and barrel. Nor does it change the perfection of Bible prophecy because there is someone who can foretell the future: GOD ALMIGHTY. He created it, he created it all, that he why he can do anything within it and beyond it.

The prophecy is perfect, the human interpreters are not, but over time it has been falling together in more complete detail to the Anglo-American national zenith period (Dan11:42-43), and the world government “one hour” (Rev17:12) period is what JWs ate NOT explaining fully.

Because JWs were the furthest point of prophecy explanation, they have been the target to infiltrate and subvert and corrupt. Now they are the place where a HUGE SET OF MAJOR ADJUSTMENTS are going to have to erupt.

Keep you eyes on JWs overall, the signal started their in witness1 (1914-1919) and it will end there in witness2 (future) of them “seven times” completing “2 witnesses”, 2 x 1260 days = 2520 days “seven times” final warning and there ain’t no more.

[QUOTE who=”I_know_better_now “]<quoted text>

You are underscoring my point with that verse. We do not anoint ourselves God does. It is not a result merely of believing. The demons believe to a certain degree too. The calling is not ours to make. Jehovah does the calling. That is the point. My faith is just that, faith. The calling is an entirely different matter. But of course Jehovah would choose a person who has faith in him. But just because we do,that does not mean we can decide that we have the calling. The calling is out of our control we do not make that decision God does.. You think YOU have the calling? I highly doubt that.


People do not anoint themselves, that is true, God has to do it, as he did with Christ. But humans can “press forward to seize it”. A human can make it known before anointing that they would like the opportunity, from there it is God’s call of course.

(1 Corinthians 11:27-28) Consequently whoever eats the loaf or drinks the cup of the Lord unworthily will be guilty respecting the body and the blood of the Lord. 28 FIRST let a man approve himself after scrutiny, and thus let him eat of the loaf and drink of the cup.

Of course this has to be seriously undertaken, that is the whole point of that whole 1Cor11 section.

(Matthew 11:12-15) 12 But from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of the heavens is the goal toward which men press, and those pressing forward are seizing it. 13 For all, the Prophets and the Law, prophesied until John; 14 and if you want to accept it, He himself is ‘Elijah who is destined to come.’ 15 Let him that has ears listen.

The ones who can heed this have them ears. Because not only is the sealing incomplete, the anointings are also incomplete.


And worse, in the temple judgment of the “10 virgins” we will have significant loss of anointed ones, many will suffer rejection, in a principle prophecy with a 50 50 split like Matthew 25:1-13, there is going to be big fall out because the “lawless one” has corrupted many. That parable parallels temple judgment prophecy, so it is prophetic when it unfolds with Daniel 8:13-14 and Zechariah 3:4-9 in the future.

Wonder why JW anointings have been going up relatively all of a sudden?


Satan’s goal is to, of course, keep the sealed number incomplete. Thus keeping the anointings incomplete, the final affirmation seal is incomplete, the Messianic Kingdom is incomplete, it is a forfeit, the prophecy fails, everything fails.

Of course as well, that Satanic objective will fail. BUT he sure is going to try, and the less seriously one takes this, the less vigilant the guard, the more likely Satan’s bowling ball will topple that already wobbly pin.

The GB has even anointed asleep, in the 10 virgins they ALL NODDED AND WENT TO SLEEP. (Matt25:5)

Get ready for a wakeup call that will also shake the world. All actual anointed wake up, but not all will make the cut.


Ten Virgins and The Coming Temple Judgment

Click to access ten-virgns-and-temple-judgment-of-jehovahs-witnesses.pdf


Knock, Knock

Who’s there????

TGNC: Hi ya doing today sir, we are with the “Third Good News Christian Church of Apostle Peter the Keeper of the Keys of the Kingdom”, you know up at the corner…

HH: You mean that condemned building with those 2 guys who stole your van, collection plates and copper wiring and plumbing last month?

TGNC: Yes and NO mayam, we are open, and yes we hired those two scoundrel pastors off the Craigslist and Topix so-called Christian forums.

HH: You guys need a van I take it?

TGNC: Yes, the cemetery gave us their old one, but they can’t spare the new one. And we need to replace everything those two pastors ran off with, they got our blender, wine, peep-holes and BBQ too, and our basketball and badminton set. And that’s just what we have noticed.

HH: Geez, you guys really got cleaned out. Well, we got an old Isuzu Trooper from the abused women’s home out back, and if you can clear out the pack rats and spiders you are welcome to it.

Let me put in Charley the Rottie before you even poke yer faces over the wall ok? He bit a cop’s face the other day who poked his nose over the wall lookin’ for those two pastors last month, took 32 stitches, strike two for Charley, so we gotta watch him a hawk, he is a leaper you know and very vigilant to keep the WHo-Do-There away.

TGNC: Well thank you, we will have a look at the thing when you git yer dawg inside.

HH: We don’t actually have a title, by the way, so you may get on Craigslist or Freelancer.con and see if someone can make one up fer ya, but the rubber is still good, you may need to replace some wiring because the pack rats really like the Trooper, and yer gunna need a battery.

TGNC: Well that’s great, we will make it work, and get the breathalyzer in her too, we got a discount driver off of Monster.con with a checker past, but his dad used to drive moonshine and he liked NASCAR, so good driving is in his genes and he’s a Christian, so we givin’ him a shot. His sister can drive good too.

HH: Uh, yes, I see I guess, let me get Charley in, I’ll whistle when it’s safe. You might want to consider sticking a LoJack in her too, you know, just in case, cause this Tropper cleans up real nice and people notice the thing.

TGNC: You wouldn’t have an extra Club would you?


[QUOTE who=”Earburner”]<quoted text>
While you out knocking the KJV, you are only doing so because it doesn’t help support your false, pet doctrines.
For 400+ years, the KJV was the main diet of all Protestant Christians, but now we have so many modern versions, through the corrupted “Wescott & Hort Text…
I once was on the same “religious” page as you are now.
It’s NOT world government that is going to CAUSE Jesus to return, in all His fiery Glory!! But it will be the catalyst for something else that you are not currently aware of.[/QUOTE]

Well no one is saying this, so I don’t know what “page” you speak of.

That is how they will use 2Thess2:1-2 to lead you like a lemming. World government comes before Christ, you may be looking for an early escape hatch.

Well, there aint one. (Matt24:6; Luke21:9)
[QUOTE who=”Earburner”]Please look at 2 Thes. 2
[3] Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day SHALL NOT COME,
EXCEPT there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
So then, in order for the Lord to return, the first thing that shall take place is “a falling away”.
But falling away from what?
Ans. Faith.
Now please notice, that the KJV uses the word “except” and not “until”. If “until” were used, that would prescribe a certain time, but since “except” is used, that prescribes that a certain EVENT or action must take place instead.
So, for the event of “a falling away (from faith)”, a certain event shall cause that, which in turn CAUSES/”triggers” the Lord’s return!
From that perspective, we can now describe the EVENT that shall “trigger” “a falling away”.
But, before we do, there’s more to that event than what meets the eye, as to what ALL the churches have been erroneously preaching for years.
What’s the event?
Ans. “That man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition”.
Did you want to think that is in the singular? Well ITS NOT! It’s to BE READ in the PLURAL!!

What are you talking about? All the corporate Christian churches have fallen away even JWs. Are you that blind? They all endorse UN world government goals.

I have nothing against KJV, as with any version it is good to be aware of its limitations, so if you are very interested in a scripture go to its original Hebrew, Aramiac or Greek. Then read all the parallel accounts as well. I recommend having as many Bible translations and versions as you can.

But all them Bibles don’t keep the “harlot” out of the corporate church complex, they have fallen in love with both money and power.

And like old Israel, of course telling Christians about this has three reactions, apathy, denial, or acceptance. As with Israel most just deny it and continue in the stalled harlotries. The corporate complex has made 200 billion globally playing this whore gig, so they aint going to be changing anytime too soon.

The JW-org thing is of the proper scale for global liquidation (Dan8:13-14), and that event should totally wake up any vigilant Christian, it is a sign of things to come for the corporate church complex come world government time a decade plus after JWs [start] to go down.

I have nothing against any Christian, but a JW or SDA tribe-label is nothing to God, he looks at motives and the real heart. SDA and JW corporate demonic leaders are here to play the role of Pharisee and temple prostitutes.

The faster we admit it, the more likely we can survive and pass this temple judgment cycle to ignite first on JWs. (1Pet4:!7), but as usual the whole “Christian” house is what gets judged first.

A real Jeremiah aint going to be invited to know church bake sale or dance, because the churches have become UN escorts and call-girls, sorry to say. But, it is what it is. If you go to ANY church, you have already been seeing the “fallign away”, wake up.

Christians liek Israel are merely in that 2Thess2:1-2 DELUSION complex as we speak, eespecially JWs, there forecast is the most premature of them all. But SDA and others are a close second, their forecasts will fail after JW failure.

The good news is, this is the last JW false prophecy.
Knock, Knock

Who’s there????

TGNC: Hi ya doing today sir, we are with the “Third Good News Christian Church of Apostle Peter the Keeper of the Keys of the Kingdom”, you know up at the corner we came by last week and got the Trooper you know…

HH: Ah yes, why don’t you brothers step inside and have some lemonade my daughter squeezed up

TGNC:  Sure thing. [Enter house, Charley starts barking, Mattie restrains him and puts him outside]

Well where did you say you got that Tropper? When we ran the VIN up at DMV, well the FBI has flagged it, before the abused women’s home got it it was apparently stolen and sold a number of times since, and one of them to a Middle Eastern exchange student.

HH: REally? Geeez, we had no idear, Martha called from the Shelter and we went and got her.

TGNC: Well, it seems you gotta a El Toro Marine Base parking sticker on the window, and that what got DHS shorts all up in a knot, so when it popped up on Big Brother’s screen, well you know the FBI was at DMV in a heartbeat. So now we all have to go down to the FBI field office and make a statement and prove we are Christians, not terrorist religion whatsoever.

HH: Holy cow boys! Are you kidding me?

TGNC: No sir, we really need to get that Trooper back for Summer’s Eve Bible Camp starting next month, it is in impound now, they took it apart, and we have to have it towed by that guy with the Tow Truck that has a big cross on the back, and get all the pieces into the back and get it put together and running again as fast as we can. Good news is there was a Club and key with the spare tire and the spare is good, thank God. You got any tools like mechanix use?

HH: Well boys looks like we got a couple of them JWs coming up the sidewalk, look! Mattie! Let’s get Charley IN THE HOUSE NOW! Some JWs are gettin’ close to the door!

Knock, Knock
Knock, Knock

Door pops open and a muzzled Charley maws, slobber mauls, and molests two JW brothers as if they were burglars and pedophile mailmen.

HH: WHoa Charley, git back in here. Listen you people gotta scram or Charley might git loose and wriggle outa the muzzle.

JWs: Well it won’t count as a “strike” if he bites a JW sir, just letting you know we stay up on the laws of Caesar because we pay back Caesar’s things to Caesar, but Gods things….

HH: Look you boys runna long now, we got our own clergy anyways.

HH: Wait a minute here. In fact I got a couple with me right now. On second thought, why don’t you boys come on in and tell us all about yer GB clergy and yer latest beliefs, and we can have a round table with some clerics from  “Third Good News Christian Church of Apostle Peter the Keeper of the Keys of the Kingdom” right HERE in my own living room as we SPEEK!

JWs: You mean that old abandoned building up on the corner has a clergy too? Well let us stop back next week, now-a-days we only pack Watchtowers and we left our Bibles at home.

TGNC: Good news boys, we got a whole box of Gideons right here! Don’t you be running off from a good Bible discussion because you are so darn afraid of all them criminal scandals yer GB is involved with, we won’t go there, for a change we will talk SCRIPTURE! Stay put you two, we’re gunna talk some BIBUL!!!!!!.


[QUOTE who=”pcloadletter”]<quoted text>
Isn’t an FDS analogous to Joseph? You say GB “plagiarize” [while others smirk about nooo light], but Joseph was in charge of [mostly?] grain *stored up* from the years of good production, before the famine, both of which he’d predicted in his interpretation of Pharoah’s dream. I read somewhere that Egyptians traded everything they had ,land etc, for the stored grain, and that this was a turning point in the wealth and power differential between the pharoahs and the common people of Egypt .

What about someone like me- who loves what you term the “sugary baby food”and find it all kind of magical- seeing new info each time, even looking at something I’ve seen before ?


Your right, that is real baby food no offense, but Fred Franz Baby Food is the more potent mix of Christian diet.

What I am talking about is we can explain world government prophecy upon Fred Franz patterns way more live and real-time now, which tells an experience Jehovah’s witness that there MUST be a reason the GB is so stalled. To smokecreen the stall they need not be Fred Fanz. As with that Isaiah book in two vilumes, they can raid the Fred Franz files for even unpublished archive info, because there is not one GB member capable of writing like that, that was ALL Fred Franz planned Isaiah manuscript as he developed Isaiah and Revelation commentary for the BTG Has Fallen book.

And JW Baby Food is pure protein steak jerky steroids compared to Christendom’s dried milk powder rusty spoon.

And we best read and keep copies of Fred Franz era stuff, because they are going to destroy everything Bethel can lay their hands on when King North globalists go full blown “invasion” of Daniel 11:41 as the Daniel 11 parallel of the Daniel 8:13 temple “trampling” coming up.

Preserving valid light “oil” is by believing the Witness 1.0 of 2, but saving some stuff is a good idea. When they come to liquidate the JW org, they are coming for all that old stuff which Bethel is even now askign congregations to get rid off. In the JW org Matthew 24:15 corporate siege, they will attempt to also destroy all JW “constant feature” record.

Although God has yanked the blessing on the leadership for a curse (Hos1:4-7), he will still feed fresh sheep. But the depth has been reduced to “simplified” filler, still true, but dated, and laced with things like phallus and globalist Satanic symbols. So the enemy is “in the house”.

But a whole tsunami of more prophecy truth is coming when the WJ org rubble is erady to be swept off by God. How much of Bethel he preserves of those scraps the globalist leave over, will epend on how willing what si left of anointed at Bethel are willing to bit bullet, and repent. If they do not repent, they can be tossed, if they repent, God will form a recovery there. In any event, God will form a recovery among repentant JWs, because in time every wheat and discreet virgin Jehovah’s witnesses has to get on the same “little scroll” page, BEFORE the final Witness 2.0 warning can be commisisoned and deployed.

Hence why Daniel 8:13-14 is timed, phased temple judgment of enough timing to cleanse and recoer Jehovah’s witnesses, no matter where and how God purposes to do so, ti cannot reamin in the stall and reproach it is in now. The “right condition” of Daniel 8:14 is what JWs need to be brought into by desolations and recovery by divine aid. (Rev9)

Wait until you see the look on the JW critics faces when they find out the real reason JWs have gone bad and the JW org was laid low. They will NOT be celebrating the JW org downfall for very long. It leads to the final warnign phase before world government and Christ arrival.


[QUOTE who=”ihveit”]<quoted text>

ihv i have ofered up about 5 different views showing the wt satanic teachings and you or cronies have yet to show me why i am wrong… even on this topic you are doing your best to distract

you like the jws who dont know much about the bible have not shown me why i am wrong on this seal? its cause you are caught with your pants down cause you hav enver researched this or anything the wt teaches.

man i am hoping i can find my notes on you “life pattern” this shows that no matter how good a jw you are YOU will never rise again.. YOU WILL BE FOREVER DEAD

jws go to bible uhh book studies and never investigates anyhting thinking the society is teaching you all the truth you need and actually they are leading you to eternal punishment…


Dude you have like 5 different versions of your own hooch. Who you trying to fool? You don’t have a theology you have a list of grievances is all it is. The church chagrin of JW exposure of their house of lies since 1919 keeps rippling out to those exposed, such as yourself.

It is the sting of Revelation 9 scorps, get used to it, it aint going away because of your sniveling. Get some cheese, you already have enough whine, invite goodolboy over. You’ve been stung, it’s just a matter of time now. Don’t try to fight it, it’s too late.


[QUOTE who=”little lamb”]<quoted text>

That is funny …lots of love to you for your support and encouragement …I have appreciated you BJD.[/QUOTE]

Lots of love to you too, your very consistent so just stay on the focus on Christ like you always do, because NO WAY is this modern apostate aberration from Bethel going to just get off scot free. (Isa66:6) Another holy spirit surge will follow the “evening” temple desolation phase; (Dan8:13-14,26) It will be required to blow those “locusts” out of the abyss of temple judgment for the “morning” of “light” recovery. (Rev9; Zech3:4-9)

The whole seven trumpets repeats in final form. TWO “witnessings”.

And because a valid truth as prophecy began to be made globally proclaimed among anointed Christians, no matter how God does this in specifics, he will keep the focus on anointed and Jehovah’s witnesses as far as the “witness” task, not the religious label, but it can’t help but get associated in the whole Daniel 8:13-14 events to lead to a sorely now required “right condition”. JWs are now a notorious-to-be-purified-and-recovered global SIGNAL time bomb.

But as with all the stages of clarification, God does not toss the Baby with the bathwater, we can ID what Bethel is stalled on, and things in Daniel 8 and 11 that they are using for deceptive diversions. At the same time they remain mum on the 3rd UN event of 1990 as prophecy (Dan8:23a; Dan11:31b) which marks the real King North as USSR dissolved and in so doing they “cold surrendered” to the King of Fierce Countenance as the same entity in the Daniel 8 parallel. JWs have plenty of truthful prophecy that MUST be connected to this post 1990 surge of King North globalization prophecy, globalization is the main global force to “gather nations to the war of the great day fo God the Almighty”. (Rev16:13-16)

A failed USSR is a failed King North 100%. (Dan11:36b) Now true, King North has changed identity, but EVERY fall of a former King North has been IN THE PROPHECY EXPLICITLY, but not this supposed USSR KN fall, because they never have been King North. Bethel merely implies they can fall, and it need not be explicitly noted in prophecy as the other King North falls in this progression have been explicitly described.

Since 1919, the globalists have been King North (Dan11:27 on) “successful until the denunciation comes to a finish” (Dan11:36), and all the King South nation-states are just puppets in world war plays to distract people. King North is globalized world power, King South is nationalized world power becoming fully subservient to KN final power system, world government is the completion of globalization. (Dan11:42-43 must yet fully complete) Simple, yet global, in scope.

When they killed Fred Franz for the winter solstice sacrifices (Dec21, 1992), as they did Charles Russell on Halloween 1916, they tried to take over. In Russell’s case it did not take, in 1917 Rutherford knocked those “board of directors” borne snakes in the head, fast. THAT is why throwing them in prison in 1918 was Plan B, it was a second attempt of the same op, but it failed too. (3 WT presidents have been killed in a WW active or right at resolution as with the Cold War; (Dan11:29) Knorr was irradiated to cause that brain tumor, so was Rutherford)


By the time Fred Franz died in 1992, the GB was already in illegal coup since 1976. Rather than say a thing about USSR fall meaning, and UN 3.0 1990, they instead released 700 pages and 33 chapters of the JW organization book, a TOTAL distraction to more org idolatries. They had to make sure Fred Franz said NOTHING about the USSR KN fail.

In 1999, not too soon, and not too late, they released the “Pay [ZERO] Attention to Daniel’s Prophecy” book. See it was not too soon after UN 3.0 King North event of 1990, then JWs might have examined it too closely. Nor was it too late as JWs might have started to wonder about USSR, it was right at the perfect 1999 time to continue the diversion. NO WONDER while they remain mum soon all this, lo and behold they signed on to a UN NGO wildbeast UN Secretariat PR press agent deal. All just a big coincidence? No. ALL PROPHECY. (Dan8:11-12; Dan11:30b-35)

Things like this mean Bethel is Daniel 11:32a, and GB is a KN diversion control group. Daniel 11:32-35,41 is part of this GB led global stumbling campaign of millions of people, but it has a peak climax period coming up, when half of current JWs will be stumbled (or worse, hence Matt24:15). But the GB and other org serpents can’t stay much longer, this is 70 years Babel “governing body” error borne into JW “constant feature” since 1944 and 40 years full GB tyranny since 1976. (2Thess2:11-12)

But these “man of lawlessness” self glorifiers have a grand finale exit strategy in place. (2Thess2:1-2) It’s main smokescreen delusion is JWs losing track of prophecy and thinking “the end” must be next. That way they can liquidate the JW org, and JWs will be distracted so as to accept it all thinking in error it is “the end”, butt that is way premature. The main Bethel 2Thess2:1-2 delusion is that “it is simply the total end brothers, look no further, it is the end, we repeat it is all over, it is the end”. In that way JWs will be TOTALLY distracted, deluded and HOAXED as the real KN fully invades (Dan11:41) and sacks the JW org at global scale.

The event will be so huge, of course great global attention will be plastered there among JWs, so when that final warning pops up in time, many will already be focused on the right drama and the right people.

All this covered up prophecy and the exposure of apostate Bethel fully as prophecy must emerge from that JW org visible cue portion of Temple Judgment. There has to be a final temple judgment cycle before the final warning, because a purification is now fully required. (Matt25:1-13) And because final anointings are still required to complete, it has to be big enough to be seen globally to aid that final call process. (Matt22:1-14) JW org is that “city of murder” of Matt22:1-14. (Isa66:6)

Carrying out the final warning (Rev11:3) is how those final anointings get the final seal. It will all be IDd fully because Daniel 8:13-14 is no short prophecy, it takes some years just to sack the JW org, and some more to recover it. Though time will be short overall, with plenty of global distractions, enough time will be given to make a full final warning, because as with these devils at Bethel, when they complete world government as full King North 8th King, that will be all God will take. They themselves will trigger the Christ arrival by completing world government despite all warning.

The reason JWs are now showing anointed increase, is because “five foolish virgin” fall out will occur in this temple judgment cycle, and God is already calling the replacements in. (Many are to newly anointed to be “oil preserved” veteran anointed, but they will be tested, they need the oil they have in any event, and they will be expected to put forth the action required to get it done when God starts to back it by his power.) But the ten virgins is mostly on veteran anointed with enough time to preserve and continue to believe the core truth, “oil” which Bethel is helping dump. Bethel is evil slave HQ.


[QUOTE who=”Tony Price 77″]Hi, all. I wanted to ask Ex-JWs and Non-JWs how they felt about Revelation 17:16-17, which says:

<16 And the ten horns that you saw and the wild beast, these will hate the prostitute and will make her devastated and naked, and they will eat up her flesh and completely burn her with fire. 17 For God put it into their hearts to carry out his thought, yes, to carry out their one thought by giving their kingdom to the wild beast, until the words of God will have been accomplished.>

And here is JWs’ interpretation of those verses:

<17 False religion, however, will not just fade away. The harlot will remain a potent force, attempting to bend kings to her will until God plants an idea in the hearts of those in power. (Read Revelation 17:16, 17.) Soon Jehovah will cause the political elements of SatanÂ’s system, as represented by the United Nations, to attack false religion. They will destroy her influence and devastate her riches…>

Therefore, do Ex-JWs and Non-JWs agree or disagree with the Watchtower’s interpretation of those verses? Or do you feel that the Watchower’s interpretation of those verses is merely their own eisegesis on those scriptures? Also, if you disagree with the Watchtower’s interpretation, do you perhaps have your own exegesis of those verses?

Thank you in advance for any answers that you might have. [/QUOTE]


1. BOTH “scarlet wildbeast” and BTG symbols are in full form.

2. BTG must ride world government complete BEFORE this three step process can unfold.

Babylon the Great Deposed Under World Government

3. So it will be full WORLD GOVERNMENT, not the UN executive portion alone, who deposes that Revelation 17:18 religious sovereignty.

BTG does not ride as a driver, she rides as a freeloader doing anything the 8th King pimps require to stay on board, like selling her flock world government. What burnt out harlot is going to drive a massive wildbeast like that one?

That is why she is used for the whole world government process completing by Revelation 17:13, BEFORE BTG deposition.

4. Obviosuly, BTG is present and riding full world government.

Then, quite logically, AFTER the harlot has served her full misleading purpose, then she can be stripped, devoured, and destroyed, which is a 3 step process that this is a sequence to unfold with things seen prior to full deposition.

5. But BTG must go down under full and completely stated world government. BTG going down under world government aids the “world peace” process credibility. (1Thess5:1-3)

Because the Revelation 13:3 final world war “sword stroke” “heals” into “let the nations regain power” of Isaiah 41, BTG trillions can aid the then global-recovery process, too boot.

Hence Revelation 14:6-7 is made available during that 3 step BTG deposition process under world government complete in that “one hour” period (Rev17:12), to result in the Revelation 14:8 finality of deposition parallel. (Rev18:8)

6. Meanign some of “my people” (Rev18:4) will be spared in that horrid 3 step process. (Rev11:13 a tenth the city will “fall” into salvation)

7. BTG is the last great global milestone to manifest for the salvation of many who need to be freed from that prison by the complete removal of all religions.

Some people are very hard to get through to, some of them choose God and Christ direct once they got nothing else to choose. BTG goign down is going to be a globally devestating process for many religious people, but there is hope, hence Revelation 14:6-8 and Revelation 11:11-13, because Christ is present at that time to oversee the global sweep4sheep first.


(1 John 2:29) If you know that he is righteous, you gain the knowledge that everyone who practices righteousness has been born from him.

[QUOTE who=”little lamb”]<quoted text>

Agree ,,,,,

Seems they don’t get off the hook…… they become accursed .

Same goes for Mohamed who had an angel come to him and proclaim another gospel

Same with Joseph Smith , the angel that came and had him supposedly dig up a whole new gospel

In fact most of these later prophet movements , reminds me of Jesus warning

‘ Many false Christs [anointed] will arise and mislead many .


Hello little lamb.

Do you recall what thread we were discussing the earthly “rebirth” with Mad JW?

Because as Eternal Father in Jesus Christ, this is a very interesting scripture:

(1 John 2:29) If you know that [Jesus Christ] is righteous, you gain the knowledge that everyone who practices righteousness has been born from him.

In context, we know God is the Father ultimate, and anointer:

(1 John 2:26-29) These things I write you about those who are trying to mislead you. 27 And as for you, the anointing that you received from him (GOD) remains in you, and you do not need anyone to be teaching you; but, as the anointing from him is teaching you about all things, and is true and is no lie, and just as it has taught you, remain in union with him. 28 So now, little children, remain in union with him, that when he is made manifest we may have freeness of speech and not be shamed away from him at his presence. 29 If you know that he is righteous, you gain the knowledge that everyone who practices righteousness has been born from him.


[QUOTE who=”Larry”]<quoted text>
BJ you said If we boil it all down to the basic Bible logic then it is not misguided in any Christian or person having faith all the way back to Abel.
Basics bj basics. If you stick to the bible basics Jesus wont judge bad of you.
Question BJ. Hypothically If bethel does not get judged the way you say. What will you say to Jesus on Judgement day? And how could you have avoided the situation if it ever came to that.?


There is no doubt the UN NGO is the “disgusting thing” placed where it ought not be, as JWs also claim to be “non-governmental” even denying affiliation with the Kingdom of God and the Messianic Kingdom.

Now if we check Daniel 11:31b, “THEY will place the disgusting thing” and in Daniel 11:30 “those leaving the holy covenant” are part of the “THEY” who place the “disgusting thing”. Though King North world government producing globalist system is the main placer of the “disgusting thing”, Bethel WTBTS has also placed it among JWs, and sent news out globally they are UN NGO wildbeast endorsers.

This along with a USSR=KN interpretation designed to over advance JWs to expect Daniel 11:44 next, when it is a cover up due to “enter the Decoration” of Daniel 11:41 still in progress from the real King North infiltrative intelligence expertise.

JWs form a sign, they, not BTG, are what goes down first (1Pet4:17) in the “judgment starts” with the “house of God”, plainly stated. “The judgment” is a process that starts with the temple judgment, because they events that come on JWs are a wake up “trumpet” signal that start what will become the prophetic explanations of the first four trumpets which are the temple judgment alarming news.

So I do not have any doubt as to the guilt of Bethel, its meaning as the final signal apostasy locale, and the massive ramifications that all of us will see break out on Bethel. And Bethel has ensured a destructive judgment from Caesar, because they know these are not just sins, but CRIMES against secular authorities. Now that is why this is a “self-fulfilling prophecy”, they are setting up the legal means by criminal activity of their own downfall, and that context is how they continue to sell the “it is the end of the world brothers! look no further for quite a while, stay stalled!”.

It is what is called a set up. Hence Daniel 11:32a.

Daniel 8:13-14 will come on JWs, just be patient and do NOT buy the hoax it is “the end”, because it will be in a global context also designed to try to make many people think this is “doomsday”. Those impressions of “as though slaughtered to death” (Rev13:3) distract people’s minds and make them controllable, as JWs will be, sent to JW-bunkers for capture and liquidations.

There is simply to many ominous setups in the JW thing to be coincidence, and this is just a few, there are also many organizational anomalies of big asset shifting and reorg and JW media brainwash that also fits into the bigger anti-jw-org and anti-jw process.


Keep your eyes on JWs and the JW org, you will not be disappointed, and in time the final warning recovery to the real thing will have to emerge from among Jehovah’s witnesses own mouths, you will in time, a number of years later (Dan8:14) also see that develop. So be very patient and do not lose sight of the fact these first four trumpet developments of the stunning global temple judgment of Jehovah’s witnesses will lead to the rest.

That means, in time, every approvable Jehovah’s witness will be telling you these same things, but a number of years from now, it is all leading to world government which triggers Christ arrival, and the warning of these ramifications must be forewarned about.

These are the final global circumstances that indicate the Christ arrival for those catching on to the full true meaning. Jehovah’s witnesses must become witnesses to these milestone meanings in time, and admitting our own apostasy playing a role in it (in full global disclosure/confession), will be REQUIRED, that is Revelation 9, but this time it exposes and scours apostate Bethel, not Christendom as in round 1, witness 1.

This will be Revelation round 2, witness 2, in perfect 1-7 order. If you notice how JWs explain Revelation round 1, for witness 1, accurate yes, but in 7-1 order. This final one is in perfect sequence to Christ arrival, and every trumpet (1-6) is explaining the whole thing prior to trumpet 7.


[QUOTE who=”I_know_better_now “]<quoted text>

BJ, Why are you outside the organization? Why are you not IN the organization? Wouldn’t you be more useful IN the ORG? [/QUOTE]

There is a reason, I used to think exactly that.

The reason is the command of Matthew 24:15. For me, I have seen the “disgusting thing” meaning in the JW organization, you know that UN NGO, it is severe transgression, SERIOUSLY BAD. So to me when Christ said flee “apostate Jerusalem” it is now a COMMAND, not a suggestion, to me. In 66 CE when they caught site of the Daniel 9 “disgusting thing” version, maybe some tried to reason they would be more useful at Jerusalem. But we see now why getting out quickly is Christ wisdom, not fear, but to made available in the future well out of the danger zone.

I have “caught sight” of the UN NGO “disgusting thing” as spoken of by Daniel the prophet at Daniel 11:31, in that whole Daniel 11:30-35 context. As Jesus said a person has to use their own “discernment” to “catch sight”of this. Daniel 8:13 “transgression causing desolation” is the parallel of the “disgusting thing” UN NGO connection.

I used to think that, don’t get me wrong.

But in time I realized they are literally “taking names and numbers” and the place will become dangerous, and I mean for all JWs. But fear of death is not why we flee, it is a COMMANDMENT of Christ for this very situation the UN NGO “transgression causing desolation” (Dan8:13) has become. We need to be available, God willing, for the recovery phase “morning” of Daniel 8:14,26.

This why when Jesus stated Matthew 24:15 for RIGHT NOW as well, for he uses wording only found at Daniel 11:31b and Daniel 12:11, it is a COMMAND, not a suggestion. These guys are going into kill-mode with that JW org downfall, they have marked potential witnesses they are going to try to rub out in specific as part of this process, not just the bunker process.

We know DT cannot be Daniel 12:11 (in final form UN4), way near the total end, world government disgusting thing complete, final warning ceased. We KNOW NOW Dan11:31b is that covered up UN 3 1990, in a UN1-2-3 continuum of UN1-2-3-4 to 4=world government. (parallel Dan8:23a “stand up”)

Now if God foretold UN1-2, of course, he also foretold UN3 for UN 1-2-3, and he has foretold world government as the terminus of UN1-2-3-4.

Their goal is to reduce the final warning available JWs. They know who is real, and who is fake, and they want to get the real JWs, especially those who they feel could become part of the final warning forces of Rev9. This is why Christ makes commands he knows more about why, than we.

It’s not fear, it is we need as many JWs as possible (and others, they may try to whack Bible studies too) come final warning time, this is all real, there will be limited but enough time, but we have to get it done and God guarantees help, even angelic aid, to get it done.

So if we take it serious now, we will trust Christ knows what he is talking about when he says FLEE as if your life depended on it, for it will. These guys have kill-lists. Of course God can intervene, we want to aid the process by fleeing now. (That is for those who can personaly discern the “catch sight”, I can’t tell people to flee, they have to see it, but I can suggest why JW org is a death trap.

(See, these anti-JW ops “in the temple” and their KN leads, KNOW a final warning has to go out, they know more prophecy at this time than JWs. So they know they need to reduce JWs potentially useful for final warning phase work, any way they can.)

I stay in touch with Jehovah’s witnesses who will listen a little, there are some, and a number of people not JW religion involved, but Christian, who are also catching on and have been studying this overall rationale and prophecy it is based on since around 2012.

The best one can do is warn JWs any way they can. The Web is good for that, it finds some searching ones.


[QUOTE who=”red blood relative”]<quoted text>

yes, the jehovah’s witness movement with the fake arrival of christ in 1914 that appointed them to be god’s chosen people is a false prophet movement.

the one with god in the beginning was the word and spirit coming out of god’s mouth……… it was a part of him…………… we are made in the image of god, we have a spirit soul that goes up to god for judgment after we die.

there is no such thing as an approved class of christians who refuse the blood of christ.

the jehovah’s witness movement has a whole different gospel, and their top leadership and pr reps are lying snakes, tricky talkers……….. inspired teachings of demons,

are you one of them, little lamb?……….. are you standing with them?[/QUOTE]


This will never work because Jehovah’s witnesses identified:

1. God’s whole purpose for the Kingdom to restore paradise to Earth, by means of his Son Jesus Christ who provides perfect access to spirit born perfection when in full rebirth, and to human formed perfection in the form of Last Adam Jesus Christ, as the spirit perfection in Kingdom Messainic guides the whole earthly “re-creation” process under that Last Adam where by ” the curse” (Rev22:1-3) is turned to the blessing to revisit Genesis 1:26-28 in final form whereby Earthly degenerative “cooruption” is removed from the whole creation, even he animals. (Ron8:18-22, Eze47, Rev21-22, Isa34:14-17.

Now with that firm hope proclaimed by Jehovah’s witnesses in globally identifiable prophetic form since 1914 marked every which way to Sabbath in prophecy, YOU ain’t going to overturn that hope with words of hate and butt-hurt obsession with the Viper borne GB and JWs, unfortunately for YOU.

Now to get to the problem.

2. Jehovah’s witnesses fully identified the issue of a rival sovereign in Satan and wildbeast 8th King/King North/King Fierce devils of world government. Now JWs are not complete in this regard, YET, but they will be “crash coursed” to the completion as stated in Revelation 10:5-11, you MUST prophesy AGAIN….

JWs fully IDd Satan use of the world system up to Anglo-American 7th king, seventh head of wildbeast from sea.

Christendom has done NONE of the above.

3. Jehovah’s witnesses have identified there is only so much time left, and God has give enough detail in Daniel 8:14, Rev11:3, Dan12:11 to know how those final sands in the wildbeast hourglass shall unfold, as JWs have been stalled by the GB clergy of sinners and UN NGO cohorts.

4. So it has been Jehovah’s witnesses that have been the furthest prophetic progress of all anointed Christianity. No one else comes close, because as harlots they must cover for the wildbeast they ride.

JWs hopped on board in 1990, but that is only temporary for a sign.

Because Jehovah’s witnesses are this “spear head” of the Christian good news, final days format, they will also be THE ONLY TARGET, hence Daniel 8:11-14 and Daniel 11:32-35 and the modern GB subversion, all foretold, and all ready to be explained in the temple post-desolation recovery phase.

EVERYTHING Bethel has been covering will come out for a final warning.


It all centers around JWs, from first mission to apostasy-judgment-recovery (Dan8:13-14; Zech3:19), to final mission Revelation 10:11 YOU MUST PROPHESY AGAIN WITH REGARD TO PEOPLE[S] AND NATION[S] ANDTONGUES[S] AND MANY KINGS.

WOW, that is quite a big final witnessing to come, AGAIN.

So it will be global, witness 2.0, AGAIN.

It all starts, not end, with anointed Christians Jehovah’s witnesses in round 2 as well. (1Pet4:17)

(1 John 2:27) as the anointing from him is teaching you about all things, and is true and IS NO LIE, and just as it has taught you, remain in union with him.

That anointing has been truthfully among Jehovah’s witnesses for centuries, but marked for final phase 1914 onward. It is what it is.

You cannot defeat it, you instead will be overturned, JWs will be recovered after 3.19 years temple judgment completes.



[QUOTE who=”A lowly one”]<quoted text>


I think I know where you are coming from, I may be wrong, but I will try anyways.

What BJ is saying sounds very interesting, and as someone who’s had doubts, it would make sense. But you’re right in asking, what if you’re wrong? How will Jesus judge you for misleading some people?

I, today, find myself asking, what if the JWS are wrong, but what if they’re not? And for me it has boiled down to really putting trust in Jehovah. We have seen in many accounts in the bible, that Jehovah never leaves faithful servants, loyal ones to Him, in the dust. And at times, even they may have been confused, but Jehovah made it better. And it is NOW that we see some of Jehovah’s reasoning behind his actions, and see how much it makes sense.

I’m troubled at some of the points that I’ve researched. However, I will continue to grow in knowledge having confidence that Jehovah will provide clarifications in the future, and at least a way to either stay where we are because Jehovah is with us, or move forward to where Jehovah is. I would urge trust is Jehovah and how loving we know He is.

As far as judgement, we also know that Jehovah will spare the lives of those who are and were ignorant to the truth, whatever that may be. With that level of understanding I can say that Jehovah and His son would understand our situation. In the meantime I know that what I teach at the very least benefits those who do not know some of the basic bible truths and principles, to better themselves and have a deep appreciation for what Jehovah does for us.

In the end, once again, I believe it comes down to the trust we have in Jehovah and His son, along with their perfect arrangements of future events. What we can do now is pray that Jehovah remembers us then, and teaches us any lessons we need to learn.


Trust in Jehovah and Christ ALONE. Just because JWs have had truth revealed, and are of course an enemy system target because of valid truth, and it has devolved much, does not mean anything divine has failed, for the final apostasy is a solid prophecy. And God and Christ are still very much real, alive and Rev1:7-8 “coming” to this vicinity of Earth.

What the enemy system hopes and gets on is people tossing the Baby with the dirty bathwater. But as Zechariah 3 plainly shows in another marginal current JW prophecy on the “back burner”, is the “befouled garments” and the befouled “turban” are DUMPED, not laundered.

Joshua gets new garments in Zechariah 3:4-5. There is no hope for the GB “turban”, in other words.

And as per Daniel 8:13-14 and Zechariah “right condition” cleaned up parallel meaning God will keep the “log” (Zech3:2), he will keep anointed Christians making the judgment, and merely remove key errors and cover-ups now being performed by the illegal GB.

We will be “hearing” from God on the matter of the current “befouled” state of the JW anointed Christian formerly led ministry now misled by an illegal “body”, MOL.

The Revelation 8:1 “silence” is ending, and the Rev8:3-5 “fire of the altar” is that cleansing fire of Zechariah 3:2 and Malachi3, as all of it is the temple judgment of now Jehovah’s witnesses all Zechariah 3 and Daniel 8:13-14 parallel.

It STARTS Revelation 8-11 seven trumpet continuum, it just starts with the temple judgment, for now obvious reasons. (1Pet4:17) The first four trumpets are when the temple judgment meaning starts to become realized like a trumpet in the ear. Then the whole ripple effect heads to Rev9-11.


[quote=”anointed25″]Hello all

I have read a few posts on this site and feel i am in the right place for christian fellowship, although not being on line at home,won’t be able to do so as much as i would like.

It is an opportunity to seek some assistance. Recently i engaged in conversation with pearl doxsey on her blog, my comment was taken down. We didn’t agree on whether one’s must leave WT, i believe it might be right for ones to stay if it’s the Lord’s wil to use them in awkened state in jw.org.

To cut a long story short i ended up in conversation with rosa alves on google plus and this sister has been taught by pearl that the kingdom is not yet established in heaven! I believe the kingdom established since 19th century and reasoned on this with rosa and someone called jahdisciple. They are both certain that kingdom set up in heaven is a future event,i fear that having escaped jw.org these sisters are again being misled by satan in denying kingdom rules now. Math 24:24

We are at war and i request some assistance in this battle.[/quote]

Which kingdom?

There is God’s Kingdom and the Kingdom of Christ.

One must precede the other as per Daniel 2:31-45.

And there are defnitely two Kingdoms in Luke 22:28-20.

The Kingdom of Christ is not complete yet, it is the specific “set up a kingdom” with earthly sovereign focus.

God’s Kingdom guides the process and is the dominant and far older “Kingdom” already set up since there ever was a Yahweh and the Word, and that is forever in Yahweh’s case and a long long long time ago for the Word. The 1914 phase was just a global wake up call that Christ assumed the temporary kingship in that Kingdom to oversee his own Kingdom of David completion.

Without realizing this distinction and basics, we won’t ascertain the whole story. Of course, God’s Kingdom has always been “set up”. It is Christ’s KIngdom that must still be “set up a KIngdom that will never be brought to ruin” in the future, in the face of 8th King world government, hence Revelation 11:7-15.

Hope that helps, and it is Biblical, JWs just happened to notice because God helped, but it has been in Daniel 2 the whole time.


Hi John,

Yes “divide and conquer” is a tried and true strategy. Now even Jesus said he came to bring division, but he is just separating wheat and weeds, he is not setting up anything but BTG for being fully conquered.

But because the nature of more and more truth of prophecy and God’s will coming forth, will also produce more varying ideas as it tries to get to the next level. They cannot all be right ideas, they could all be wrong, but when God backs an “idea” it becomes HIS “interpretation”, the needle among the haystack. But when the fire Christ said would be lit, it starts from a point of origin. True at times there were prophets speaking for God in simultaneous manner, when it gets interpreted properly one point ends up influencing many people, because when God backs a prophecy it can become recognized.

We are at a point of confusion that requires just such a prophecy, I feel it will be Daniel 8:13-14.

But in the meantime, it is about furthering God’s purpose; He will back the truth an depose the error. We need to learn from the horrific destruction of the GB of JWs coming. DO NOT “lift up” over ANYTHING, it is about God’s final cycle purpose to bring the Christ into Earth as marked by prophetically ascertainable milestones that will indicate in progressive manner, we are heading to the Christ arrival.

It takes time for these final milestones to unfold in clear as day manner because God’s purpose is to save people, not trick them, and destroy them as one would think when a lawless band of apostate renegades known as Jehovah’s witnesses start saying they alone, as UN NGO and lawless as ever, are the ONLY ones to be saved. It has become ridiculous. JWs have become the biggest reproach on God’s name, and the GB is who masterminded this downfall.

So the JW organization downfall and the destruction of the Governing Body as cursed “lawless one” against God will be quite the attention-getting event. And apparently, they plan to twist the “good news” further, into one final GB pretzel from hell, into that “bad news everyone!” “Satan’s wicked world will now come to its complete end” that “hard-hitting judgment message” of WT 7/15/15.

Only problem being, the JW org wickedness is the only “a system of things” coming to its complete end. (Matt13)

See the problem hoax JWs will be in?

Well, in any case, these “wake up” events will bind the “five discreet virgins” when God makes it clear what is going on in prophecy and where we really are en route to 8th King world government. Now not all will “see the light”, there are also five foolish virgins who will scan “oil” on the Web “eBay” of false prophets, but that will NOT be the original “oil”, believed, and kept in store for this light is the same light, but the final Christ arrival enlightening phase.

I think you guys have the most disciple like, that is disciplined Forum group, none of them “23,356 posts” thing. When people say something here it is because they feel it is needed to be said, and it is respectful for varying views, and avoiding that JWN kind of ludicrous talk. So it seems as these things take place, as long as there is an unfiltered internet, certain information will emerge here in time, because when God sets out to make a prophecy in the face recognizable to “discreet virgins” and others he will do it. And toppling apostate JW org, and frying their GB sure sounds like a good place where the middle “finger of God” is now needed.

And because the focus of this site in part, is explaining JW revolts, lawlessness and apostasy in “organized crime” manner, of course the JW org downfall will need some commentary as “the end” continues to not arrive, a months turn to years. JWs will even need this information because repentance is what is required from all. But JWs are in left field, they have to get past the denial stage to even consider repentance.

Unlike them who shunning arrogant lawles JWs, we need to help these poor “bastards” come the time, sorry to say and with all due respect, JWs have no Father at this time but the GB renegade idol middleman. JWs are now illegitimate. They will need a lot of help to get through this temple judgment hoop. (Dan8:13-14) But many will it is the final purification “right condition” prior to the final warning of all time.


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And the GB has that correct!


Not true.

Fred Franz is who harmonized all post Rutherford enlightenment from God. Fred Franz HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE GB COUP OF 1971-1976, he was to be next on the chopping block after Ray Franz. Nathan Knorr and Fred Franz openly advised against that first 1976 GB successful “lifting themselves over everyone”.


Now the GB try to take credit for the work of Fred Franz which God aided in the areas of accuracy. Fred Franz had the entire Revelation 4-22 commentary complete by 1969, BEFORE there even was a GB. (The red 1989 Revelation book was compiled from that 1963-1969 Fred Franz commentaries [1])

[1] 1969—The JW Peak of Spiritual Enlightenment: Revelation Complete

That is who guided the process the GB merely takes credit for to establish false-credibility with JWs so as to mislead them, as if they are just like Fred Franz. (Dan11:32a)

THEY AIN’T! And the “governing body” concept is from the mystery religions of Babel. It is NOT found in Acts 15, it was super-imposed on Acts 15 by Christendom FIRST, WTBTS later, same lawless one entity is what it is.

Here is what was written concerning Joseph Rutherford and the 2nd “board of directors” revolt (1917), well before they morphed into that GB in 1976:

***Jehovah’s Witnesses in the Divine Purpose (1959); pp. 70-71***

“”Their idea was to make the president’s position secondary to the board of directors and limit his authority to that of an adviser. That would have meant making a change in the corporation’s bylaws, and since it was a complete departure from the provisions of the original charter it warned of serious trouble ahead.

Throughout the entire administration of Pastor Russell, the president and the other officers of the Society had been the ones to decide on new publications; the board of directors, as a body, WAS NOT CONSULTED. Brother Rutherford CONTINUED this same policy as he took up the new administration. “”

And THAT “their idea was to make the president’s position secondary to the board of directors” is EXACTLY what the Governing Body has now accomplished since 1976, ousting Knorr and Fred Franz from their God given guiding roles.

The GB is “evil slave” and “man of lawlessness” core apostasy leadership unit (Dan11:32a) coming into complete global exposure for who, what they are and where they are from: KING NORTH.

When God destroys and exposes fully thereafter the GB, it will be complete. (Isa66:6; Dan8:13-14; Rev8-9)


(Revelation 17:15-18) And he says to me: “The waters that you saw, where the harlot is sitting, mean peoples and crowds and nations and tongues.

Parallels Revelation 16:12 development. (waters dry up, depleted social support, reduced support from people globally helps the outlawing of BTG to be globally successful)

16 And the ten horns that you saw, and the wild beast, these will hate the harlot and will make her devastated and naked, and will eat up her fleshy parts and will completely burn her with fire.

Three step process of outlawed religious complex removal. Ten horns=subservient nation-state system (Dan11:42-43) “scarlet wildbeast”=world government complete.

17 For God put [it] into their hearts to carry out his thought, even to carry out [their] one thought by giving their kingdom to the wild beast, until the words of God will have been accomplished.

Nation-state “ten kings” power system gives all sovereign power to world government as they are used to “horn” BTG to destruction. God guides this process as per Rev18:8. The prophecy WILL fulfill fully.

18 And the woman whom you saw means the great city that has a kingdom over the kings of the earth.”

Religious sovereignty-system BTG goes down last, all under world government.


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What is KN?[/QUOTE]

King South is the nation-state “old world order” system.
King North is the globalization based “new world order” system.

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Why them? And what will happen to true religion or true Christians? And what exactly *is* true religion or true Christianty?


JWs have made the furthest point of prophecy explanation in the nation-state-to-gloablized progerss of prophecy. But they are NOT finishing the story, because the GB is a KN stall device.

All Christians get the final call, the intent of the final warning is the same as the first warning. That si why there are TWO “witnesses”.

God and Christ judge what is true Christian, it is a world judgment we are talking about. JW judgment merely begins the process, they are apostate, so the whole thing is now in checkmate.

But JWs have a truth that can be very easily connected to the final update. So the enemy system wants to prevent that recovery and update. But they will fail. (Dan11:32b)


[QUOTE who=”Tony Price 77″]<quoted text>

What is KN?[/QUOTE]

King South is the nation-state “old world order” system.
King North is the globalization based “new world order” system.

[QUOTE who=”Tony Price 77″]

Why them? And what will happen to true religion or true Christians? And what exactly *is* true religion or true Christianty?


JWs have made the furthest point of prophecy explanation in the nation-state-to-gloablized progerss of prophecy. But they are NOT finishing the story, because the GB is a KN stall device.

All Christians get the final call, the intent of the final warning is the same as the first warning. That si why there are TWO “witnesses”.

God and Christ judge what is true Christian, it is a world judgment we are talking about. JW judgment merely begins the process, they are apostate, so the whole thing is now in checkmate.

But JWs have a truth that can be very easily connected to the final update. So the enemy system wants to prevent that recovery and update. But they will fail. (Dan11:32b)


Like I said until JW org goes into takeover for real and after, this will be just one of many ideas. When JW org goes down, it aids the recognition of Daniel 8:13-14. That’s also why JWs are judged first as the final temple judgment phase, for a cleansing.

JW Current Apostate Status and Final Temple Judgment – Web Witnessing Record; The Bethel Apostasy is Prophecy

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