September 2016

They are paranoid?

“Just because you’re paranoid
Don’t mean they’re not after you”
—Kurt Cobain


So why is the small horn so paranoid through history?

Afraid of the French, Germans and Russians? Why are those Anglo woodworm blue-bloods so skittish?


Why should the poor small horn Anglo elite root of the Anglo-American dumb giant be paranoid?

The ONLY King and Army of any true note (Joel3:9-11), the forces of Jesus Christ the only divinely recognized “King of kings” (soon, at Kingdom completion; Rev14:1; Rev19:11+) appointed by God Almighty is ACTUALLY out to get them soon, when they finally complete their Jalopy called “World Government” and so-called “New World Order”.

Yes, they are paranoid because only they meet King Doomsday Himself (but not a doomsday for earth but a salvation, just the rival world government)! Soon, not many years left for the small weak horn folks, not many years. (Isa38)

But he offers a peace deal in the “second witness” that even they could respond too, if they weren’t so paranoid all the time.

Who needs a Farce” New World disOrder” when Christ forms the “New Universal Order”. (Eph1)

One reason the small horn will be plucked and crushed and grinded into the dust bin of histories is they don’t think big enough.

Good riddance. (Daniel 2:31-45)


In just a few more years “Conspiracy Theory” will be history, the way it will be, and more fully understood by the now younger generation to hear the final Kingdom warning to emerge from the temporary downfall of Jehovah’s witnesses “Jerusalem” as 1Peter 4:17 principle and Daniel 8:13-14 REALITY, well timed for full future verification.

Thus the idea of a “world government” will NOT seem so “far fetched” to those who shall hear the full warning and open salvation final offer for ANYONE to come from a JW centered final minsiterial push that will become 10,000 times more prominent than the 1914 judgment period all winding down in about 7 years of Daniel 8:14 + Rev11:2-3 final timing as the “seven times” of 1260 days TWICE, yes TWO “witnessings”, COMPLETES as 2520 days!

THAT is the Revelation Trick of Revelation 11 TWO witnesses. There really will be TWO 1260 days warnings, one in 1914-1918, and one to come from the JW org criminal downfall you can literally soon watch right on CNN. What news you won’t get is WHY God has to judge Jehovah’s witnesses FIRST in this final process.

The final notice is very simple.


In just a few more years “Conspiracy Theory” will be history, the way it will be, and more fully understood by the now younger generation to hear the final Kingdom warning to emerge from the temporary downfall of Jehovah’s witnesses “Jerusalem” as 1Peter 4:17 principle and Daniel 8:13-14 REALITY, well timed for full future verification.

Thus the idea of a “world government” will NOT seem so “far fetched” to those who shall hear the full warning and open salvation final offer for ANYONE to come from a JW centered final minsiterial push that will become 10,000 times more prominent than the 1914 judgment period all winding down in about 7 years of Daniel 8:14 + Rev11:2-3 final timing as the “seven times” of 1260 days TWICE, yes TWO “witnessings”, COMPLETES as 2520 days!

THAT is the Revelation Trick of Revelation 11 TWO witnesses. There really will be TWO 1260 days warnings, one in 1914-1918, and one to come from the JW org criminal downfall you can literally soon watch right on CNN. What news you won’t get is WHY God has to judge Jehovah’s witnesses FIRST in this final process.

The final notice is very simple.

World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3; Dan12:11), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

THAT is the simple main point.

OF COURSE this warning will have to make the full forecast BEFORE game day, rather than be interpreted after the fact. It will be what it will be. The truth of the matter.

Final Prophecy Continuum (Gauged on Seven Trumpets by Temple Judgment Time, Takes More Than a Decade from Temple Judgment Time)

I. Apostasy, Judgment, Accounting and Recovery of Jehovah’s Witnesses

Now: JW inspection (completing or complete; Zech3:1-5; 2Thess2:1-4);

Now: Bethel Apostasy and Lawlessness Signal of Judgment; (2Thess2:1-12; Zech3:1-3; Dan8:11-12; Dan11:30-35);


1. “Tribulation of those Days” Context Begins; (Matt24:15; Dan8:13; Dan11:41 (now), 42-43 (soon); Dan21:1b);

2. 8th King Activates Daniel 11:42-45 Final Cycle; (Rev16:13-16; Rev17:11-18);

A. Daniel 11:42-45 Must Converge with Daniel 12 Final Fulfillment;

3. Jehovah’s Witnesses Temple Judgment Starts (1Pet4:17; Mal3:1-5; Dan8:13-14; Rev8:1-6; Matt25:1-13);

A. Temple is Desolated, Purified (Zech3:4-5) and Recovered (Rev9): Daniel 8:14 “Right Condition” Temple Purification Reached; (Dan8:13-14);

II. Recovery, Final Commission, Final Warning, Learning Application

1. Final Kingdom Ministry Commission; (Rev9-11; Zech3:6-7; Matt24:45-47);

2. Final Kingdom Invitation and Warning Deploys; (Rev9, Rev 11:1-6);

3. “Tribulation of Those Days” Context Ends (Matt24:29; Isa41:1) into:

A. Final Kingdom Warning Ceased; (Rev11:7-10; Dan11:44);

III. Rival World Government Completions of 8th King Rival at Global Scale (Dan11:45; Dan8:25; Rev17:13; Rev13 final round)

1. World Government – National Sovereign Conglomeration Completes into 8th King World Government; (Rev16:12-16; Rev 17:11-18);

A. 8th King World Government World “Peace and Security” and World Recovery; (Dan8:25; 11:44-45; 12:11; 1Thess5:1-3 globally stated world peace sovereignty; Dan8:25 “freedom from care” parallel; Isa41:1 world recovery);

2. Christ Arrival; Anointed Sheep Gathering (Dan12:1, Matt24:29-31; 25:31-46; Rev11:11-13; Rev19:11-16; Rev1:7; Rev6:12-17);

A. Christ Completes Messianic Kingdom 144000; (Rev11:11-12; Rev7:1-8; Rev14:1);

B. Christ Messianic Kingdom King-Priest Coronation; (Zech4:6-9; 6:9-15; Dan7:26);

(All the following takes place under complete Messianic Kingdom “Court” of Daniel 7:26:)

C. Babylon the Great Deposed; (Rev16:17-19; Rev17:15-18; Rev14:8);

D. Sheep Gathering/Goat Determination Finalized; (Mat24:31-46; Rev14:14-20);

3. Armageddon; 8th King Deposition and Messianic Kingdom Conquest; (Rev11:15; Rev19:19-21);

4. Christ’s Messianic Kingdom 1000 Years Rule


1914 On Steriods


The fact is 1914 will be a part of human history forever, not due to an error but the truth in spite of a couple key errors the MOL GB keeps in place (2Thess2:10-12) to stumble people on the back end (Jerusalem destruction-to-date error obsession) and the front end (“this generation” debacle) of that ever-so-important 1914 event node and period.

The purpose of the devil borne GB error fest (2Thess2:9; Zech3:1-3) and criminal cabal “governance” (Dan11:32a) is to discredit that important 1914-based sovereign warning from God’s Kingdom powers. The other purpose of the dirty GB viper-pit (Zech3:3) is to bring Jehovah’s witnesses into the context of very serious and heavy sins (Dan8:12; Dan11:30b-35) now requiring JW org wide desolating “temple judgment” judgments all can view on CNN when that phase (Dan8:13-14; Dan11:41) comes soon.

1914 is the 3rd of 4 Divine Revelation impetus periods in the Christian era.

The first century push, the greatest of them all (so far) was the first, the second revelation period was the Reformation era attempt to break the corrupt Catholic devil stranglehold on the ministry and mankind. The 3rd divine revelation manifestation period was from the post-reformation thinkers who spawned the likes of the Charles Russell types of free-thinking Post Reformation Spiritual Renegade Dynamos in the 1800s who continued to brandish the torch of the early Reformer brothers and sisters to a finish.

This 3rd phase is why even today we are still talking “1914”.

And finished it was, Revelation 9 finished to the last crumb of lies in Christendom devoured by the anointed locusts of that 3rd wave. But in time, the likes of the rogue, criminal and lazy greedy GB arrived in the ministry (1942-1976) to of course now fully resist the 3rd wave of God inspired enlightenment as Satan’s agents “in the temple”. (Zech3:1-3; 2Thess2:1-4; Dan11:32a)


Now, after a notable “delay” (Matt13:1-13), the JW-UN-allied dirty house requires cleaning (1Pet4:17, Mal3:1-5) and the new focus of the 4th Revelation period on the way, the final one, will [[begin]] in the full global exposure of the GB rats “in the temple”, and EVERYTHING their evil influence has been promoting and covering up being revealed and clarified. (Dan11:32a; Dan8:12)

But the 4th Wave is NOT going to stop there.

From the ashes of the JW org Temple Judgment (on the way soon; Dan8:13-14, Zech3:1-5) will arise the FOURTH AND FINAL divine warning revelation phase of the “second witnessing” to open salvation final offer from God as King Christ prepares the final stage of his Kingship as also Messianic Kingdom “King of kings” official title and placement by God as anointed high priest in the completed temple system of heaven as that coming 4th wave final ministry wraps up. (Rev11:2-10)

Bases loaded for JWs, Russell is on 3rd, Rutherford is on 2nd, Fred Franz is on 1st, and this is the Grand Slam Homerun Derby period coming up to drive it all home for good.

This coming phase of final warning of the 8th King world government completion (before it happens)  to trigger the skies to crack wide open with Christ and 1000 billion angels in battle (and salvation) formation (Rev19:11-21; Rev14:1-14) is going to be the biggest Christian ministerial push in all history, propelled by God’s holy spirit. (Zech4:6-9)

It is very important to complete this final announcement. (Rev10:5-11)

The 4th “foursquare-and-global” (recovered) Jehovah’s witnesses warning will be 100,000 times bigger and more full-face impacting than 1914, whose theme it shall repeat and complete to a finish, after the JW org is desolated for heavy sins and UN NGO wildbeast worship against God Almighty as the “lifted over everyone” filthy-stinking GB now spits in Christ’s face daily. The GB shall be a pyre of smoking Destroyer wrought judgment all shall see globally (Isa66:6; Zech9:8; Rev9; Mal3:1-5) when the Daniel 8:13-14 “evening” turns to daylight in the “morning”; “the morning” of the abyss opening and the JW recovery. (Dan8:14,26; Hos6:1-3; Isa37:30-32; Isa38; Eze37)

World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3; Dan12:11), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

That will be the basic gist of the “second witness” of the “TWO witnesses” warning.

Plan accordingly, flee the JW org death-trap NOW, before the crash in the doors for real criminal activity and sin against God Himself. (Matt24:15)


[QUOTE who=”Jace”]<quoted text>

“This 3rd phase is why even today we are still talking “1914”.”

Still talking about 1914??

Who is the “we” You make mention of
That is talking about 1914

What circle of persons outside of JW are talking about 1914 here in 2016

Beyond the history channel programs

What publications and Tv coverage is talking about 1914

In the last 5 years what major news or educational outlet has been talking about 1914

Could you provide some documentation to support your claim?

And please let us know who constitutes this “WE” you mentioned

Thz [/QUOTE]

The “We” is the sovereign contenders for the rulership of planet Earth for those who can make the final cut into the immortal [spirit] form of the sovereign warriors of Jesus Christ’s Kingdom when he comes (“re-arrives”) to collect the bill from the earth’s current rulers from Satan on down the line.

Exactly what world do you imagine you live in? Ever read the Bible?

It is coming with their world government completion. They need to first claim earthly sovereignty at globalized worldwide scale. Then the fur will fly. Then they will know. (the 6th seal overview)

The Bible is the basic written sovereign notification and salvation offer to all from the powers to come. (Matt6:10; Dan2:31-45)

Jesus Christ was and is the official “spokesman” of those powers. Real power, not demon or human.

1914 began the trek to Armageddon for open warfare with the Kingdom of God for the sovereign rulership of the universe and earth within it from Satan and the wannabees.

Did they think the 1914 warning was going to simply fade away because of the GB criminal-rot festival? (Dan11:32a; Dan8:12) Do you think that? Well, you got another thing coming. Soon. (Isa38)


[QUOTE who=”SecondSonofJoseph”]The Bible mentions a period of 70 years associated with the land paying back its sabbaths and while the land pays back those 70 years, the people removed off the land are to serve at Babylon for those 70 years. Very basic. Very easy to understand.

But if that’s really true history, then the Bible and the current secular timeline are in conflict… [/QUOTE]

God KNOWS the “gentile times”, that is the time allowance he allows them to reign in defiance of him and Christ. The first 70 years is the first “seven times” of seven decades as King Nebuchadnezzar’s dynasty was really the “beginning of the end” of the Babylon gentile primary defiant symbol being effaced from all future record.

So the Bible will contain the EXACT 70 year record of the extinction of Babylon. And it is Bethel and JWs who are “out of harmony” with the Bible by trying to apply “GENTILE times” to a Jerusalem entity, who although paralleling this great sovereign drama leading to Christ’s conquest of Earth’s rulership, is a SPIRITUAL symbol NOT a “gentile” symbol nor a “gentile time”.

In reality, King Nebs Crown-Prince-to-King-of-Babylon date (607 BCE) time frame is the marker of the START of the “gentile times” and still connects solidly to 1914 as Russell and others well demonstrated. And its end was by the hand of Cyrus the new “King of Babylon”, 70 years EXACT after the crowning of Neb.

The problem with the “interpretation” is with JWs and with a time-event assumtpion that is NOT required to begin the “gentile times” which time the Babylon initial 70 year “seven time” allowance as we must recall this is about “gentile times” prophecy. Jerusalem’s intrigues merely parallel it all. BUT the “trampling” of their kings began with the death of Josiah, and is a “fuzzy” time period which includes the 70 years but is not required to be limited by it as Jehoiachin, Jehoiakim and Zedekiah were the final three strike “bad kings” who were also placed (or deposed) by gentile rulers and named by them at times as well.

But God told old King Nebby, you are going down true, but “your kingdom will be sure to you”. How?

Because though Babylon of old was exterminated as a nation by God, the Christ of God will take over the Revelation 11:15 “Kingdom of the World” and THAT is that “tree” that re-“sprouts” (Zech3:8-9; Zecj6:9-15) with Christ as also ruler of the “gentiles” to be perfected in “all of Israel” of global humanity (Matt19:28) in the “re-creation.

Thus the TWO witnesses 1260 days is of TWO witnessing past and future, each of 1260 days to complete the final 2520 days “seven times” as the 1914 “seven times” of 2520 years led to that very same year the “Kingdom of the World” “seven times” began in 1914, albeit in December while the 2520 years ended in October, but the tangency is undeniable.

2 witness X 1260 days = 2520 days as the FINAL “SEVEN TIMES” to conclude after the JW Temple Judgment begins the Daniel 8:13-14 timing to in time lead to the Revelation 11:2-3 timing, again. Second witnessing, then the end.

Yes Revelation 11 also has a “seven times” wrap up to complete with one final “second witness” warning to recap all 1914 to world government 8th King/King North (Rev10:5-8) who will trigger the Christ arrival for open warfare with him and his indomitable forces for the “kingdom of the world” as certain, not all, “gentiles” are also exterminated by Christ such as the so-called “new world order” and Global NATO who will fall like so many eggshell bowling pins when Christ lands on them.

But Christ preserves the “Kingdom” “tree” of the gentiles as their new perfect “last Adam” and “Eternal Father” basis of the new reality.


[QUOTE who=”Newtonian”]You probably meant 538 (or so) BCE for the first year of Cyrus.


He probably means the “20 years of time traveling” “20 year GLITCH” that Bethel requires to foist the premature Jerusalem destruction date out of alignment with 150 Jerusalem destruction records for ca. 586 BCE which Isaac Newton also said was not “607 BCE” all the way back to time immemorial.

ONLY erred JWs try to foist the error, yet adjusting it properly still retains the 607-1914 REQUIRED divine connection to the Revelation 11 2520 DAYS FINAL “seven times”.

JWs are in for some HEAVY JUDGMENT UPDATES IN TIME. (Dan8:13-14) Time to get with the real program Newton. Bethel is a UN attache, judgment is nigh—big and heavy global JW org mega-JUDGMENT OF GOD.

Appointed Seven Times of the Nations Sovereign Lease Has Expired – Appointed Seven Times of Divine Warning Yet to Complete

Jerusalem Exile=Destruction? 607 BCE versus 586 BCE Dating—All’s Good! All’s Well, Couldn’t Be Better!

Appointed Times of the Nations Reconsidered, Again—Seven “Seven times” Applications; Initial, Offset and Extended to World Government and Christ Arrival

Click to access appointed_times_of_the_nations_reconsidered_againe28094seven_seven_times_applications1.pdf


[QUOTE who=”Tony Price 77″]<quoted text>

Same thing with the animals in the video below. Have they also devolved? Inquiring minds want to know:


First off Anacondas are not in Asia. Photoshop Anacondas yes.


We are NOT done here yet Tony. You get to see another world war, then we shall ask your opinion on the devolved nature of Homo predator.

Time is winding down to the Christ assessment, it will be required when he drops in. (Matt24:21-22)

BUT this coming world war is NOT “the end”, it resolves in time into a big “World Government” festival and “World Peace” pow-wow. (1Thess5:1-3)

This dragging on to the “bitter end” means you can start to connect the final dot as these things unwind. (Rev13:3; Isa41:1)

“Let the nations regain power” unto World Government (AFTER the coming world nuclear war) whose sovereign global claim will trigger Christ ReArrival.

It’s going nuclear Tony, but it AINT THE END! Do NOT freak on us, keep your cookies in the jar, OK?

This ain’t doomsday, this is Christ wake up call time coming in. (Hag2:7; Matt25:1-13) Cities will literally “rock” BEFORE Christ arrives. We still have over 15 years. (Isa38)

Don’t be so open to the deceivers of the world, they will only confuse you to try to get you downed for good. Value your life, fight for it in the way of Christ, the King Conqueror of All Time. He is VERY REAL, and coming in soon as Global “Kingdom of the World” King. (Rev11:15)

Quit wasting your time, this will get you nowhere literally.


[QUOTE who=”ihveit”]<quoted text>
ihv and the wt decided this stablished place was moved to new york?

how hillarious… and boy you even had to pay for that information
<quoted text>


No, the “palace is dissolved”, it is just an expedient until the real thing arrives.

(Nahum 2:5-6) . . .He will remember his majestic ones. They will stumble in their walking. They will hasten to her wall, and the barricade will have to be firmly established. 6 The very gates of the rivers will certainly be opened, and the palace itself will actually be dissolved. . .

Now IF you are up for some adventurous ponderance, the “barricade” is at Hosea 1:4-7. Those coming against JWs wth thoughts on extending the JW org destruction to all of them scattered globally (Zech13:7) will in 3 years (Dan8:14; Isa37:30-32) meet a scary angel in the “deep place” (Zech1)

The HK Angels will exterminate the “185,000 Assyrians” in modern times the leading anti-JW intel cells globally. 15 years is added to the “JW Life” span. (Isa38) to carry out the final warning 15 years from inception of Temple “established place” destruction which begins Daniel 8:13-14.

An angel (Rev9) will clean out from JWs all the infiltrators foretold here:

(Nahum 1:10-12) . . .Although they are being interwoven even as thorns and they are drunken as with their wheat beer, they will certainly be devoured like stubble fully dry. 11 Out of you there will actually go forth one who is thinking up against Jehovah what is bad, counseling what is not worth while. 12 This is what Jehovah has said: “Although they were in complete form and there were many in that state, even in that state they must be cut down;. . .

The Killer Temple Cleansing Angel is who will “light em up”. (Rev8:3-5; Isa31:8-9; Hos6:1-3)

They are going to try, but fail to, exterminate global JWs. (Hos1:4-7) A final warning emerges, hopefully you will listen to it. (Rev10:5-11; Rev11:1-7)

The Adventure cometh.



[QUOTE who=”SecondSonofJoseph”]<quoted text>

This is an interesting observation! How does the NWO of the Illuminati fit into all of this. Apparently the UN will indeed take over world government, but the Illuminati-NWO will be destroyed as part of Babylon the Great.

Interesting, when I think of “Babylon the Great” I think of the connection to the ancient Mysteries of old Babylon and not of the Neo-Babylonian kingdom. The march of the 8 world powers would be as follows:

1. Egypt
2.. Assyria
3. Babylon
4. Medo-Persia
5. Greece
6. Rome
7. Varous christian nations, including USA and NATO, ultimately, Japan and Russia..
8. The UN takeover of world government, joined by all these nations for 1 year and 3 months.
9. God’s kingdom rule for 1000 years under Christ.



1-9 is the flow of it, you are on point.

Jehovah’s witnesses have the core understanding of the major prophetic-to-real-world development themes, like 1-7 kings to 8th King final world government. Hence why they have been internally infiltrated and subverted to go off course and breed discrediting by GB lawlessness, all also in prophecy but prophecy JWs are SILENT on. (Dan8:12; Dan11:32,30b-31)

God “placed the superior authorities” as in PLURAL, NOT a “superior authority” which is what World Government will attempt to become (placing themselves).

Because the “superior authorities” are allowed as the national governments, this is the divine will for a purpose. BUT God shall not tolerate a Super Authority, as in a singular human 8th King attempt at globalized sovereignty.

That development will bring Christ in with a light year cubic army of angels to settle the score, when they finally breech the line of global sovereignty. In Revelation 16 the demons are who “gather the nations” to Armageddon. Globalization is the main global force of that “gathering”; when globalization completes and matures into World Government they will get the fight of their lives for this planet’s rulership.

(Revelation 16:13-16) And I saw three unclean inspired expressions [that looked] like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the wild beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 They are, in fact, expressions inspired by demons and perform signs, and they go forth to the kings of the entire inhabited earth, to GLOBALIZE them together to the war of the great day of God the Almighty. 15 “Look! I am coming as a thief. Happy is the one that stays awake and keeps his outer garments, that he may not walk naked and people look upon his shamefulness.” 16 And they GLOBALIZED them together to the place that is called in Hebrew Har–Magedon.

This Globalization Gathering of all the nations into 8th King/King North World Government is not overnight, but it is within the time frame given. (Dan8:13-14; Isa38; Genesis 6:3-4)

The nice thing is all the speculation will get put aside as these things happen as they will indicate over the world war and coming years that yes World Government always has been the goal, and God requires they complete it to the defiant zenith.

Then Christ will show up with a light year long lightspeed blazing descending super-legion of probably 1000 billion angels and mop world government to the lake of fire. All it will take is one angel in theory, but Christ is SAVING SHEEP first in that Rev14:6-7 final angel given offer finality and the sheep sweep of Rev14:14-16, Matt25:31-40.

ANYONE CAN BE SAVED, by the time global BTG religion is destroyed every man on Earth will know world government is real and that this is the grand finale. By dragging this out another 15 or so years many people can be “rocked” to awareness and be saved as such. (Hag2:7)



JW Org will be desolated for the timing and phased developments to recovery of Daniel 8:13-14, all the virgins are sawing logs zzzz zzz zz, and the epicenter Temple Judgment will reposition JWs onto the global “second witness” stage to make the final announcement BEFORE world government completes.

Daniel 8:13-14 events and timing will prove itself and where we really are in the stream of time to the universal war for planet Earth with the indomitable forces of the True King Jesus Christ, as promised by God. Not “possible” but guaranteed to occur in the perfect timeline of God, prophecy and the final warning mission completion and final cessation of Rev11:7-12, then the world government will hit the fan as they complete in perfect timing for the pow wow with God Almighty and the SuperChrist appointed world ruler.

This time the prophecy of course has to be made know globally BEFORE it finalizes, not after, as has been the case with the classic JW ministry. JWs [ysed to be] non-UN and approved from 1919 to 1940. Thus they need to do THAT again, and that means bye bye to the doomed apostasy-governing UN-GB. (Rev8:9-11; Isa66:6; Zech3:1-5)

JWs need to return to the 1930s like Jehovah’s witness but with modern prophecy updates and final good news. (Rev11:2-3) That will manifest AFTER JW org is nearly if not fully destroyed as required by God for UN treason and many REAL crimes against God and secular rulers.

Believe it, NO ONE will miss the “trampling” (Dan8:13) of the JW apostasy “organization”. It shall be on CNN, it will get the needed attention for the final warning development.

Be ready, the little things will be ironed out along with the big things. (Zech4:6-9) JWs have the truth, that is why it has become filled with apostasy and lies by the GB leadership devilution.


[QUOTE who=”SecondSonofJoseph”]<quoted text>

This is an interesting observation! How does the NWO of the Illuminati fit into all of this.

The UN is the Nucleus “Image” of the NWO “order”, wildbeast, King North, 8th King, King Fierce, etc, etc, the order is world government. It is all the same thing. Many terms are present in the world to confuse and distract people’s attention from what it REALLY is meaning.

God’s prophecy uses several symbologies of the same 8th King maturity because each thread in Dan2, 7, 8 11-12, Rev13 and 17 add to the time line main needed details. It is not much prophecy, but had it all been rolled into one tamale it would not work as well as these general (Dan2) to very specific (Dan11-12, Rev17) parallels of the same development: Globalized World Government completed to trigger Christ arrival.

It’s all there. It is what it is and it is coming. (Rev1:7) Plan and act accordingly NOW, not later, but later is also an option for many. This is for real.

[QUOTE who=”Secondsonofyosef”]

No. After April 4, 2015, the door to the ark has been symbolically closed. The door to the ark was closed 7 days before the actual destruction. If you are not already marked, it’s too late to change sides.[/QUOTE]

The final seven days BEFORE the destruction were open to man and beast alike. But only the beasts arrived…

(Psalm 36:6) . . .Your righteousness is like mountains of God; Your judicial decision is a vast watery deep. Man and beast you save, O Jehovah.

…which had to be a miraculous event many witnesses but remained clueless:

(Genesis 7:1-5) . . .After that Jehovah said to Noah: “Go, you and all your household, into the ark, because you are the one I have seen to be righteous before me among this generation. 2 Of every clean beast you must take to yourself by sevens, the sire and its mate; and of every beast that is not clean just two, the sire and its mate; 3 also of the flying creatures of the heavens by sevens, male and female, to preserve offspring alive on the surface of the entire earth. 4 For in just seven days more I am making it rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and I will wipe every existing thing that I have made off the surface of the ground.” 5 And Noah proceeded to do according to all that Jehovah had commanded him.

Thus, as with the “week” of Daniel 9:27 the “seven days” is a prophetic miracle backed period of the final salvation offer.

(Daniel 9:27) . . .“And he must keep [the] covenant in force for the many for one week; and at the half of the week he will cause sacrifice and gift offering to cease.

Thus we can see there are direct parallels with the Noah deluge judgment and what is coming. There will be a seven year “allowance” period for many to attain the correct desire for the real salvation of Revelation 14:6-7 manifested AFTER that period expires:

We can also use more Noah Truths to calculate from 1914 and this likely purposeful statement from God:

(Genesis 6:3) . . .After that Jehovah said: “My spirit shall not act toward man indefinitely in that he is also flesh. Accordingly his days shall amount to a hundred and twenty years.”

That was also when Noah’s full commission occurred 120 years prior to the flood apparently. If we add 120 years to 1914 we get 2014 or the round 2000th Memorial of Christ’s Life Sacrifice and thus we can get a clue this world ain’t going beyond 2034 or there abouts as the 1260 days and 1290 days midpoint could be 2034, then again it could be sooner because Daniel 8:13-14 is cryptic in time, can be affected by Jehovah’s witnesses stalling even after the Temple Judgment so we have to pay attention to the JW org desolation period, timing and reaction of JWs who need to fully repent to also get the final commission round of Witnessing 2.0 at Revelation 10:5-11.

It seems likely the 120 years “last days” like Noah’s will get a “seven years” “time of the end” of the “last days” so to speak. Events of the JW judgment is what will form the context of Daniel 11:41-43 and the big shaking wake up call to wake up the “ten virgins” at the midpoint “morning” phase of Daniel 8:13 timing, Daniel 8:14 and Daniel 8:26 concurrent meaning.

(Daniel 8:26) . . .“And the thing seen concerning THE evening (of desolation) and THE morning (of recovery; Hos6:3; Isa37:30; Isa38), which has been said, it is true. And you, for your part, keep secret the vision, because it is yet for many days.”

It is true. Them “many days” are over.

(Isaiah 38:4-6) And the word of Jehovah now occurred to Isaiah, saying: 5 “Go, and you must say to Hezekiah, ‘This is what Jehovah the God of David your forefather has said: “I have heard your prayer. I have seen your tears. Here I am adding onto your days fifteen years; 6 and out of the palm of the king of Assyria I shall deliver you and this city, and I will defend this city.

Yes, most JWs will be delivered (JWs get 15 more years coutning temple judgment 3.19 year desoaltion period included in the 15), “city of murderers” (Matt22:1-14) Bethel will not be delivered but up to KN Assyria for the UN NGO judgment. (Hos1:4-7)

Hosea’s daughter Lo-ruhamah is the “second witness” symbol:

(Hosea 1:6-7) And she proceeded to become pregnant another time and to give birth to a daughter. And He went on to say to him: “Call her name Lo-ruhamah[***], for I shall no more show mercy again to the house of Israel, because I shall positively take them away. 7 But to the house of Judah I shall show mercy, and I will save them by Jehovah their God; but I shall not[**] save them by a bow or by a sword or by war, by horses or by horsemen.” (Isa31:8-9;

[***] Meaning “She Was Not Shown Mercy.”

That is how JWs approved will don the sackcloth, again overall:

(Revelation 10:11) . . .And they say to me: “You must prophesy again with regard to peoples and nations and tongues and many kings.”

(Revelation 11:3) . . .And I will cause my two witnesses to prophesy a thousand two hundred and sixty days dressed in sackcloth.”

2witnesses x 1260 days (1914,future) = 2520 days final “seven times” as well.

(Isaiah 37:33-36) “‘Therefore this is what Jehovah has said concerning the king of Assyria: “He will not come into this city, nor will he shoot an arrow there, nor confront it with a shield, nor cast up a siege rampart against it.”’ 34 “‘By the way by which he came he will return, and into this city he will not come,’ is the utterance of Jehovah. 35 ‘And I shall certainly defend this city to save it for my own sake and for the sake of David my servant.’” 36 And the angel of Jehovah proceeded to go forth and strike down a hundred and eighty-five thousand in the camp of the Assyrians. When people rose up early in the morning, why, there all of them were dead carcasses.



[QUOTE who=”Tony Price 77″]<quoted text>

So you stay away for a long time and then three years later you come back and say: “We are NOT done here yet Tony.” Really? LOL 😀

But perhaps I must have said, “BeetlejuiceDan8-14soon” three times fast without knowing it, and that is the reason why you appeared. LOL 😀


Well, this is fast turnaround. I have answered 10 year old posts before I knew it before, now THAT seems silly. Sometimes you see a question like in a computer forum that no one answered for like 6 years.

But when I said we are not done, I mean all of humanity in this phase, which like anything God creates in his reality, must run its full course and include all directives to the maximum. God does things to the very hilt, no corners cut, and so on. So expect this to be BIG and take some time, but not that much longer, we got around 15 years to reach the red zone imo.

2034 is a cut off year in the Bible. Now when Christ said “no one knows the day or hour” he said nothing about year or month—which is no accident, Christ weaves in many riddles in things NOT said.

And 2034 is not drop dead date, it is the marked transition point (approximated I do admit fully) to the final angel backed offer, in round terms, meaning it may be sooner but later it will not be later, but it itself is good news and this can last the fatter portion of the Daniel 12:11 1290 days:

(Revelation 14:6-7) 6 And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, and he had everlasting good news to declare as glad tidings to those who dwell on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people, 7 saying in a loud voice: “FEAR God and give him glory, because the hour of the judgment by him has arrived, and so worship the One who made the heaven and the earth and sea and fountains of waters.”

As proof of the sequence that begins this “final countdown”…

Europe – The Final Countdown Silent Knight Version Drum Cover by Nur Amira Syahira

…. you can watch JW org go down for 3.19 years (desolation to recovery start point; Dan8:13-14; Hos:1-3) to fulfill Daniel 8:13-14 and some of it will be on CNN. That is a token of future verification you can check and see soon.


[QUOTE who=”jsmith”]<quoted text>
You really shouldn’t encourage Lars’ paranoid delusions.

I realise your beliefs are *fairly* nutty, but Lars has a serious psychological disorder, and it should not be pandered to.

Sometimes its just an acting gig as all humans would have “psychological disorders” diagnose if all 6 billion went to 100 psychiatrists who in turn must also visit 100 of their own psychologists. It would not boil down to one “unanimous diagnosis” because those who consider themselves experts of the cerebral masterpiece known as the human brain and its ethereal mind constructs of individual impressions or the awareness of “reality” are the ones who are the craziest.

If not they would understand they know very little about a fly brain not to mention the human brain. But alas, they are incapable of comprehending that real reality.

In the meantime, the universal intellect of true intelligent mastery will warn humans of the coming changes in its ruling power structure whose human system zenith attempt will be world government. Then the constructor of the human and angelic awareness of reality (as well as the super-reality and reality itself) shall arrive on this poor crazy world and change it forever and permanently as the new realities of Jesus Christ take over, and that upon a by then well-forewarned world system.

In relation to the nuts who rule this world and imagine they own it and are kings, indeed that coming reality is truly CRAZY! When in fact, it is they who cannot tie their shoes properly.

It is winding down. It is tough for their poor little oversensitized and megalomaniacal egos to absorb the superiority of he who is re-arriving. Superior force shall prevail, but many shall be spared (Rev14:6-8) when his clock strikes midnight and this earth is flipped from pole to pole in a heartbeat.

Yes, that is “crazy”.

[QUOTE who=”CarrieRagsdaleson”]<quoted text>

Interesting. I read the passage. I wonder if it has some prophetic relevance to the end times. [/QUOTE]


Of course, it does because it is including the 3 year sign (Isa37:30-32) when God sent El Destroyer to get the Assyrians off everyone’s backs, because they never did recover from Michael’s blow upon their military establishment in that Isaiah 36-38 event prelude.

The Assyrian symbol will be ascertainable when he (Destroyer) does the same thing to the modern day [globalist intel] King North Assyrians already positioned within the JW org. Now true, they will continue to zenith 8th King world government (Rev17:12-18; Dan11:44-45; Dan8:25), hence King “North”, they will “trample” the apostate UN allied JW org, true true true, for it is prophecy yet to fulfill fully at Daniel 11:41, Dan11:32a, Dan8:13-14.

BUT, their Isaiah 36:10…

(Isaiah 36:10) And now is it without authorization from Jehovah that I have come up against this land to bring it to ruin? Jehovah himself said to me, ‘Go up against this land, and you must bring it to ruin.’”

Assyrian Intent to extend to modern JW “Jerusalem” will end up bumping sword with the same old Destroyer wherein Revelation 9 will activate, which “pit of the abyss” of Temple Judgment Desolations will be the “light” in these symbols:

1. Daniel 8:14 “the morning” of Daniel 8:26;

2. The “ten virgins” “wake up” event!

Now the point of Isaiah 36:10 is the modern “Assyrians” KNOW God has given them the JW org for a “trampling”, just like Assyria KNEW Israel was given them (by Hosea, Isaiah, Amos public indictments from God).

The trick Assyria pulled to their disastrous decimation was trying to FOOL Jerusalem (Isa36 dialogue) into thinking that because Israel was a given-goner (Hosea1+) so was Jerusalem.

But, they were sorely mistaken. Like them, these poor modern Assyrian globalist-intel fools will also try to over-extend the JW org desolation (dan8:13-14; Hos1:4-7) that they are given to also try to FOOL and exterminate JWs globally in a systematic international purge op for after the JW org desolation.

But like Assyria they shall meet the “in the deep place” angels of Destroyer of Zechariah 1 (Zech6:1-8), and so on, for angels are all over the Temple judgment period. (Rev8-9; Zech3; Mal3; Rev15-16:1-9) The modern globalist trespassers, as per Isa66:6, will be neutralized and removed from JW proximity by angelic means, whatever it may take. It is the core “fire of the altar” (Rev8:3-7) and “right condition” producing “cleansing of the temple”, because the fakes at Bethel have to be removed by direct divine means)


The Hezekiah “sick to the point of death” is the state of the modern JW ministry developed “gradually given over” (Dan8:12) since 1914-1950 definite approved status. JWs renovated the “temple” as did Hezekiah (and started out approved), and are now “sick” with the “GB Disease”; the apostate GB has ruined the place (Zech3:3) as per Daniel 11:32a, the GB is actually from KN Assyria as per Daniel 11:32a parallel Dan8:12.

Thus, Bethel will be desolated as the global initial signal of our times, timed for verification as 3.19 years, or 3 years round terms which symbols are in:

1. Daniel 8:13-14 3.19 years “the evening” of Daniel 8:26 desolation phase. Thus, JWs will get the 3 year sign of Dan8:14

2. Isa37:30-32 and;

3. Hosea 6:1-3 as concurrent of the same desolation of 3 years…

4. …and the 3 “day” “sign of Jonah” “given THIS generation”; JWs tossed overboard into the global sea of humanity for 3 years as a global initial signal.

As per Hosea 1:4-7, Isa31:8-9, Micah 5:6-7, Rev9 the “Assyrian” will be extricated from the temple environ by the Destroyer temple cleanser DeLuxe, or angelic means will be what turns them back from a global JW extermination attempt. Destroyer (also the main angel of Zecharaih3:1-10) opens the final fulfillment round Revelation 9 “abyss” whose “smoke is seen” globally as the signal of the Temple Judgment of Jehovah’s Witnesses for the “transgression causing [such] desolation” (Dan8:13)—the UN NGO mega-sin in particular of Daniel 11:30b-31 parallel which was marked by UN 3rd presentation 1990, JW UN NGO 1991, and cover up of the meaning of that 3rd UN prophecy up to now. (Dan8:12b)

Thus, when the 3.19 years “evening” of JW marked and seen desolation STARTS, so will that 15 years extension “miracle healing” to the Christ arrival, approximate, from that marked by-then-DATABLE incept point as Daniel 8:13-14 proves itself in events of temple judgment in the Daniel 11:41-43 global context


Thus, the 15 years will INCLUDE the 3 year signal as its starting datable point in the near future which STARTS (1Pet4:17) “the judgment” with the temple judgment of “God’s house” first.

JWswil get the 15 year “life extension” to complete the “second witnessing” of the TWO “witnesses” as Revelation seven trumpets also activate with temple judgment and repeat in final form enroute to 8th King/King North world government to trigger Christ arrival, end if story 1.


[QUOTE who=”Passerby”]The Feb. 15, 2009 Watchtower Magazine stated: ‘Since Jehovah and Jesus trust the faithful and discreet slave completely, should we not do the same?”. Now this is one of the greatest lies that the Watchtower ever told. How can God trust COMPLETELY a bunch of lying men from Brooklyn? How do the Watchtower know that Jehovah trust them COMPLETELY? Why should God have any trust on the Governing body? [/QUOTE]


That is what apostate leaders do they “lift themselves ALONE over EVERYONE else human, Christ or God. And for such they will reap a judgment. A heavy one coming. (Dan8:13-14)

Important: God in the Bible is called also, The Trust, the ONLY one called that. In the bible, GOD directs humans to trust ONLY Jehovah, not fallible humans. It also directs mankind to trust the one, who made Jehovah his ONLY Trust, Jesus Christ. The bible NEVER teaches trust in others, or even self.

We give consideration, and extra honor to those taking the lead (when in a righteous manner unlike the GB Hellions), but we do NOT give trust to them, for the bible NEVER has directed human trust to earthling man.

In fact, God directs trust AWAY from humans, away from nobles (ps146:3), human power (Is31:1; 36:4), idols (Isa42:17), human assumption (Jer7:4), brother (Jer9:4), lies (Jer13:25), man (Jer17:5), riches/works (Jer48:7), position (Eze 16:15), friends (Mic7:5), ourselves (2Cor1:9).

NOT once, does God direct trust to human beings, he even tells humans not to trust in themselves, so how is it a human can direct the trust of others to himself? He should not, that is renegade apostasy, blasphemy and with the GB verging on the sin against the spirit if not dead center.

Realistically is how we view fellow humans, we respect the GB, the brothers, in fact all humans, but we appreciate certain humans have made God THE priority of their lives, and we consider it, contemplate how their faith turns out, but we do not just trust any human, we are realistic as to our sinful Adamic nature.

“Remember those who are taking the lead among YOU, who have spoken the word of God to YOU, and as YOU contemplate how [their] conduct turns out imitate [their] faith.”

[How has the “fateful slave” GB “faith” turned out? I’ll tell you how it turned out: Cover Up, UN NGO, criminal lawlessness and spiritual apostasy!; Our final pre-temple-judgment signal; (2Thess2:1-4,9; Zech3:1-3)]

We believe they are a NO LONGER a good example in the Jehovah’s witnesses congregation as God said “from AMONG YOURSELVES” rogues would arise, but we cannot put over emphasis on opinion separate from the bible, so we trust God and Jesus ALONE. Elders are now just GB damage control artists; sad but the truth.

This will put people in proper perspective, as fellow workers with God. We make a vow to God, no human but Jesus (former human) can intercede for us. Jehovah makes his own judgment, he does not consult with flesh and blood to find out what we have been up to, he knows beyond ear and eye, what we are about.

Trust in Jehovah, keep the unity, and keep US humans in OUR place, that’s the bible’s truth. Obviously though the brothers are a good example, we must consider with bible wisdom, as good examples, and hopefully not bad. We build God’s discernment, by trusting fully, only, in Jehovah and Jesus the ONLY perfect example.

We can respect that he is revealing his truth now through the last of the anointed (who have stayed in approval, for not all have; (Matt25:1-13)); but they aint at Bethel any longer, that ended with Fred Franz extrication, King North’s UN-NGO-Agents run Bethel as per Daniel 11:32a by the GB Viper Nest Implant.


Trust Jehovah:

Ps:9:9; 25:2; 31:6; 31:14; 33:21; 37:3; 40:3,4; 52:8; 55:23; 56:3,4; 56:11; 62:8; 65:5 (“The Trust”; Jehovah); 91:2; 115:9-11;


“It is better to take refuge in Jehovah
Than to trust in earthling man.
It is better to take refuge in Jehovah
Than to trust in nobles.”

Ps:143:8; Prov3:5; Isa12:2; 26:3,4; 50:10; Jer 13:7

Matt27:43; Acts 15:11; 2Cor1:9; 2Tim1:12-14; Heb2:13

Realistically is how we view fellow humans, we respect the GB, the brothers, in fact all humans, but we appreciate certain humans have made God THE priority of their lives, and we consider it, contemplate how their faith turns out, but we do not just trust any human, we are realistic as to our sinful Adamic nature.


[QUOTE who=”pcloadletter”]

Ecumenical United Nations Office (EUNO) of the World Council of Churches [founded 1948….




Well, with all due respect, in time you will be thinking again on this heavy issue of wildbeast UN reproach and treason “in the temple”. (2Thess3:3-4,9; Zech3:-3; Dan8:12)

The UN is spiritual leprosy, you do not even touch it, but the GB slept with them and now JWs are approving and damage controlling the most massive sin “in the temple” since the Pharisees assassinated Christ. (Now don’t give me that, “well the Pharisees helped provide the sacrifice for all mankind” bull as the way your argument is already going)

In regretful addition, you can add WTBTS to EUNO by that UN NGO and now Inter-Governmental-IGO-OSCE status work as specialized super-lobbies for UN “human rights work” to mold the legislative evolution of the old world order (Euro model) into the new world order (Global model). JWs are right in line now for NWO, not God’s Kingdom.

Even if the UN NGO was all “good intentions”, as ALL UN alliances appear to be at first glance, the UN NGO would bring a horrific divine judgment from God on the WTBTS. That will come. (Dan8:13-14, and timed for future proof to now well deluded, distracted and asleep JWs)

1. But we know >>FROM PROPHECY<< the UN NGO is the “burning mountain” (modern Rev8:9 version, mind you) sign brought in on purpose by the GB, the GB are a FORETOLD King North attache that will require being removed by the Destroyer from the temple when the judgment accounting is complete for this final cycle which STARTS, not ends, with the JW org downfall, which you can doubt now, but soon you will not doubt it. (Rev 9 at Dan8:14,26 “the evening” cessation of temple judgment desolations phase on the JW org global visible signal epicenter)

2. The UN NGO is also the “transgression causing desolation” of Daniel 8:13.

3. And that “transgression causing desolation” 1991 UN NGO is the now no brainer that leads to, the UN NGO is also the modern “disgusting thing standing” “in the holy place” of JW temple of Matthew 24:15; Which results in the siege and destruction of the JW org at global scale, God may spare a tower as did Rome, but the now GB dirtied billions are going bye bye BYE! (Eze7:22; Nah2; Hos7; Hos11)


Many JWs will end up in FEMA and prisons. (btw, This sets up the future fulfillment of Isaiah 49:24-26 by The Destroyer. Not all JWs will stay in prison, let us put it that way. (Hos1:4-7))

KN Bethel knows this siege is coming on JW org so they are going to sell this off to JWs as “the end brothers!”. UNfortumately the end will NOT come quite as soon as JWs have been misled to expect. THAT transition into a temple judgment level test of faith brought on by the 8th King backing enemy, INVITED INTO JWS BY THE UN NGO, is going to be a rough ride for modern JWs.

Thus, the UN NGO is our modern in the face “disgusting thing” direct connection of Matthew 24:15 to the Daniel 8:13 “transgression causing desolation” committed by the temple, NOT by the nations in the parallel 1990+ context of the 3rd UN presentation, a prophecy now concealed by UN Allied Modern Jehovah’s Witnesses.

The GB is related to the “disgusting thing” as its UN NGO blessing, endorsing and ensign waving high priests who are also a “disgusting thing” but they fulfill other aspects of the prophecy as the “disgusting thing” is ultimately world government which development the GB has been concealing among JWs and their audience.

Now as per Daniel 11:41, Daniel 8:11-14, the ONLY way to clear the disgusting thing out of the temple is by force and the activation of the first two trumpets of the modern temple judgment and the primary issue the second trumpet will jettison is to Camp “Sea of JWs” like a burning meteoric “mountain” that in time JWs will have to deal with fully by then exposing what that 3rd UN even really was in 1990, it was UN1-2-3-4 to world government which will then be on the far closer horizon of the global scene, and SOMEONE needs to say so, and that SOMEONE is JWs.


If JWs want to pass Armageddon alive, they will need to pipe up. If modern anointed want to get that final full seal of divine affirmation, they will have to pipe up too, and complete the TWO witnesses second witnessing requirement of Revelation 10:11:

Guess what anointed:


What the GB is covering up is coming home to splash down on JWs and it is the World Government Issue, complete world government triggers Christ arrival!

And world government:

Will give indication as moving toward global completion, 100% globalization right on CNN.

Its completion will become globally known.

Its completion will trigger Jesus Christ the real thing, the real King.

Thus the second witness will be the most convincing and up to date in your face fully accurate forecast in human history as the context of 8th King world government king north completion will be square prophecy, and right in the world’s face.

And Christ will HAVE TO ARRIVE, or billions of people would be reduced to World Government Depopulation Agenda Fodder.

But at this time this truth is much to heavy of a torture stake for JWs to bear at present, they have been sissyfied by the soft, lazy and all UN GB spiritual vampires of King North; Daniel 11:32; Dan8:12.


[QUOTE who=”Ms MICHELLE “] Can I please ask what DRUGS Is MOSTLY Everyone With A Few exceptions, Are you guys On ?

I did read everything and Woe, what a mind blower…
Sounds like something out of a greatful dead concert !

By the way, I adore the Illuminati ![/QUOTE]

I don’t think the red pill is a drug per se.

Save a copy, one of these overviews is on the way and JWs will be the “sackclothed” stars of the final act. (In a way of judgment, timed if you doubt: Dan8:13-14, because that timing will prove itself, no need of a commentator at that time of global JW org rubberization.

Isa49:24-27 will also activate, but first some JWs need to go to prison first, you know, to set up the “release from the tyrant” part.

3 years (Dan8:14) JW org “trampling” desolations for the UN NGO (Matt24:15) are on the way, and you can watch it from your CNN view the whole time.

It is ALL REAL, hence “crazy”, the real thing is readying for re-arrival. HE ALONE is the Real King, btw, and he shall prove it.

The fakes can pack it up and go. But the sky-bulldozer is what they shall choose. (Rev19:11-21) More power to ’em, but even that ain’t going to be enuff. Christ will pound “Global NATO” to the core of planet Earth to their very faces, the REAL thing will look em’ up and serve them the bill and take the payment.


On November 01, 16, pcloadletter wrote:
> 1/2
> Well, with all due respect, in time you will be thinking again on this heavy
> issue of wildbeast UN reproach and treason “in the temple”.(2Thess3:3-4,9;
> Zech3:-3; Dan8:12)
> ===
> Haha! I hate to imagine how much respect you think I’m “due”!
> I can’t read those scriptures rt now b/c eyes are tired.
> But again I ask, why is bethel the temple? The constant feature-jw version- is
> the fruit of lips, praising his name- I think maybe the anointed only?, But
> that’s what shut down when they were in jail 1918-1919 or whenever it was
> exactly? And the temple is only the spiritual temple in heaven, except the
> anointed ones who are the secondary seed of the woman, or heavenly Jerusalem,
> who are still on the earth being persecuted by the dragon. [so, maybe it’s good
> they are in the wilderness, all over the earth and not in one place?] And
> couldn’t the GB serve as a distraction drawing the attn of all the haters,
> keeping the rest safer from the hate?
> ===
> The UN is spiritual leprosy, you do not even touch it, but the GB smooched and
> slept with them and now JWs are approving and damage controlling the most
> massive sin “in the temple” since the Pharisees assassinated Christ.(Now don’t
> give me that, “well the Pharisees helped provide the sacrifice for all mankind”
> bull as the way your argument is already going)
> ===
> I wasn’t saying anything like that or thinking it- about pharisees “helping”
> anything, and I personally cringe at people talking about how happy they are
> that Jesus died for MEEE!- they really take themselves way too seriously, I’d
> say, b/c it usually coincides with being particularly dumb-not just the average
> dumb, but extra dumb, and falling prey to very very simple dogma repeated
> emphatically and too often. But about UN-it definitely has a lot of
> involvement with bab-T-G, and “ecumenical” new age stuff, and the catholic
> church supposedly has these “thrones” in the UN security council and the UN was
> kind of founded by the UCC my old church, and the world council of
> churches-whatever it used to be called. And the UN founded Israel. Do YOU
> think Israel is the fulfillment of the lost sheep coming back to Zion? Because
> , in reasoning book it points out all the ways that doesn’t fit the promises,
> and I provisionally agree that it doesn’t. Also,I don’t know if it’s a change
> or something I didn’t notice before, but it’s the UN, WT says will devastate
> the whore of Babylon, and w.o.b. is the disgusting thing, that’s just like the
> pharisees in Matthew 23. And then it’s the KON? or anyway GOG who will see the
> people of God dwelling in open rural country-in wt interpretation, Jws, and
> attack , which will be “touching god’s eyeball”. Interesting how Russia is
> going against Jws now, isn’t it? And I was watching sum of all fears on TV ,
> which seemed like predictive programming for the current Russia-US tensions,
> and I could just tell, THEY want us to think the Fatima prophesies are coming
> true-reuniting the “christian world” east and west churches, as was “OUR
> LADY’s” request”. please write back immediately. don’t be mad . I didn’t get
> this from the GB. Mostly on my own. but still loyal to them- though I barely
> know anything about them. love-

Give me a few daze on this because I will give you the full response.

Again, with all due respect, I recommend strongly re-reading:

Eternal Purpose
1000 years has approached
BTG Has Fallen
Grand Climax (if you also Then is Finished the Mystery of God you will get the Revelation portions, with BTGHF, that led to the Grand Climax version.

The GB is bleaching Fred Franz pattern attention out of JW minds. Your questions are all there in those books, but there is a final cycle to recap and resummarize it coming up. (it will become the basis of the final warning prior to full world government completion, hence, Christ arrival)

The 1914-1918 “first witness” pattern is the same as the “second witness” pattern of the future, but this time it is World Government not just the “image” League of nations (1919) coming.

Rev 11 defines the “temple”, the Grand Climax book is accurate on those teachings. Bethel provides a VISIBLE EPICENTER of Temple Judgment events and timing, because without a VISIBLE DESOLATION anointed “temple” is INVISIBLE. Bethel is for a global signal, just a symbol of “fortress” and “established place” of respective Daniel 11:31a and Daniel 8:11; (Nahum2)

But I am going to answer this as full as I can. EVERYTHING in prophecy converges into 8th King World Government as regards that tracking portion. EVERYTHING else converges into Kingdom Completion, which removes the anti-kingdom when its convergence intop global world government is COMPLETE, not before, but AFTER.

In such manner many more people can come to see this and be saved, it will be dragged out another 15 years+, but 2034 is a cut off that can be proven (Gen6:3 and 1914 related, Dan9:27 “week” and Gen7:4 “week” related; this time, “half of the week” is the end of 1260 days final “constant feature” final warning (Dan12:11)), but exactly where it falls as either Daniel 12:11 or 12:12 and that is not known at this time; thus a 1290 days on one side or the other. I think its Dan12:12, but we don’t know but as it unfolds in the final cycle it will become clear for the final warning of the “second witnessing” final announcements prior to Christ Arrival.


I think the GB has “broadened their love” of also torturing the JWs they can manage to isolate properly. GB goes down in a blaze of eventual infamy. (Isa66:6; Zech3:1-5; Dan8:13-14)

They gotta go.

The GB is obviously a reproach and NOT in good standing and being a Korah Class since 19176, never were in good standing nor are the Biblical but a common Babel corporate control device. Nimrod was head of the “governing body” as is the Pope today.

The GB are a Bethel Papacy, and like the Papacy have their UN Token to prove it. (Matt24:!5; Dan8:13)

The GB is bad as a device of corporate override. Individuals in it are judged by God individually, they cannot say “we alone are already the faithful slave” as they do in blatant blasphemy.




And then it’s the KON? or anyway GOG who will see the
> people of God dwelling in open rural country-in wt interpretation, Jws, and
> attack , which will be “touching god’s eyeball”. Interesting how Russia is
> going against Jws now, isn’t it? And I was watching sum of all fears on TV ,
> which seemed like predictive programming for the current Russia-US tensions,
> and I could just tell, THEY want us to think the Fatima prophesies are coming
> true-reuniting the “christian world” east and west churches, as was “OUR
> LADY’s” request”. please write back immediately. don’t be mad . I didn’t get
> this from the GB. Mostly on my own. but still loyal to them- though I barely
> know anything about them. love-

The only errors we have now remaining in our “theology” is that in Daniel 8 and 11 as far as major prophecy continuums. But we have PLENTY of unapplied prophecy mature in fulfillment towards world government which the GB is covering up on purpose. (Dan11:32a)

This will relate to two things you mentioned regarding “sum of all fears” (Rev13:3; btw, the final world war cycle coming up) and KEEPING JWs focused on the decoy KN which the USSR-to-Russia transition of global political “bogey man” is providing while NWO UN centered world government progresses uncommented.

1. Now world government will be BIG and BIG global news, It IS coming (in time, I repeat, In Time!). Now the “problem-to-solution” phase which defines Rev13:3 “healing” and Isaiah 41:1 “recovery” AND the Rev17:8-12 “abyss ascension” context is this coming world war in which Russia is the political “bogey man” and Islam is the religious one, and thus we have a global instability complex truly unique for this WW cycle. For the story of the “healing” global relief of Rev13:3, this is the “Ultimate Hegelian Dialectic”: DEFEATING RUSSIA AND ISLAM to aid the global world government presentation, for “WW3” (actually the fourth cycle of WW btw) is SCRIPTED for this effect.

2. During the initial part of this WW cycle is the JW Decoy climax to CONTINUE to keep JWs engrossed on the wrong KN, in this case Russia resuming the USSR role already heavily ingrained into the JW gray matter since 1958. JWs will be bonkers and mesmerized when Russia SEEMS to perfectly fulfill the King North climax they to have been “predictively programmed” to believe in error. Which they will UNTIL God breaks the delusion by another development: the Temple Judgment to manifest visibly on JW org destruction, also all sold to JWs as “it is the end brothers!”

And “sum” it all up and you have?

1. The Armageddon Hoax and the “End of the World” delusion (hence the premature Christ arrival DELUSION of 2Thess2:1-2 which the GB pushes harder than even Christendom which distracts people from the fact King North 8th King WORLD GOVERNMENT is what this “abyss” of WW gives birth to as Revelation 17:8-12, Rev13:3 and Isaiah 41:1 (19:7) PARALLEL to use the relief and global hope for the purpose of presenting the final wild beast rendition.

2. And JWs for the darkness period will be right among everyone else ALSO thinking in error it is “the end”, also being deceived and distracted from the real mission by the same false impression. “WW3” (really the 4th cycle including the Cold War) provides the global fear zenith and ultimate distraction which will pass into, instead, full world government.



At this time:

(Romans 13:1) Let every soul be in subjection to the superior authorities, for there is no authority except by God; the existing authorities stand placed in their relative positions by God.

Since after the flood and Genesis 10, “superior authorities” are in “relative position” by the will of God. God tolerates national powers, as in plural nation(s) ruling their territories as placed by God. At this time, God allows the national powers to do so.
BUT that is “authorities” as national governments as the pinnacle of that power. MULTIPLE ONES, not ONE! In Genesis 11, when Nimrod tried to found a SINGLE WORLD GOVERNMENT based in Babel, God disrupted the activity.

And the SAME THING in the future, as long as God allowed “old world order” Superior POWER(S) to rule, He and Christ will NOT arrive for sovereign war. BUT, when they COMPLETE WORLD GOVERNMENT, and attempt the “new world order” as ONE “GLOBAL Superior Authority”, they will have crossed the line, God and Christ will arrive with 1000 trillion angels, as many as stars in the sky for the FINAL DISRUPTION, the one where Zephaniah 3:8-9 related back to Genesis 11 first disruption, because God changes the languages back to the “pure language” LITERALLY.
I am making this a thread.

Good day, more is coming. Agape


Superior Authorities Versus Super Authority


At this time:

(Romans 13:1) Let every soul be in subjection to the superior authorities, for there is no authority except by God; the existing authorities stand placed in their relative positions by God.

Since after the flood and Genesis 10, “superior authorities” are in “relative position” by the will of God. God tolerates national powers, as in plural nation(s) ruling their territories as placed by God. At this time, God allows the national powers to do so.

BUT that is “authorities” as national governments as the pinnacle of that power. MULTIPLE ONES, not ONE! In Genesis 11, when Nimrod tried to found a SINGLE WORLD GOVERNMENT based in Babel, God disrupted the activity.

And the SAME THING in the future, as long as now God allowed “old world order” Superior POWER(S) to rule, He and Christ will NOT arrive for sovereign war.

BUT, when they COMPLETE WORLD GOVERNMENT, and attempt the “new world order” as ONE “GLOBAL Superior Authority”, they will have crossed the line, God and Christ will arrive with 1000 trillion angels, as many as stars in the sky for the FINAL DISRUPTION, the one where Zephaniah 3:8-9 related back to Genesis 11 first disruption, because God changes the languages back to the “pure language” LITERALLY.
I am making this a thread.

There is ONLY PROVISION FOR ONE SUPERIOR AUTHORITY: God’s Kingdom in the Messianic Kingdom agency for earth rulership under King Jesus Christ. The NWO can then get packing to the magma below.

The Armageddon Hoax Aided by Coming World War with Russia Bloc

The only errors JWs have now remaining in “theology” is that in Daniel 8 and 11 as far as major prophecy continuums (there are “this generation” errors to aid the distractions).

But we have PLENTY of unapplied prophecy mature in fulfillment towards world government which the GB is covering up on purpose. (Dan11:32a; Dan8:12b)

This will relate to two things regarding the GLOBAL “sum of all fears” (Rev13:3; btw, the final world war cycle coming up) and KEEPING JWs focused on the decoy KN which the USSR-to-Russia transition of global political “bogey man” as Russia (by design, btw) is providing while NWO UN centered world government progresses uncommented.

1. Now world government will be BIG and BIG global news, It IS coming (in time, I repeat, In Time!). Now the “problem-to-solution” phase which defines Rev13:3 “healing” and Isaiah 41:1 “recovery” AND the Rev17:8-12 “abyss ascension” context is this coming world war in which Russia is the political “bogey man” and Islam is the religious one, and thus, we have a global instability complex truly unique for this WW cycle.

For the story of the “healing” global relief of Rev13:3, this is the “Ultimate Hegelian Dialectic”:

DEFEATING RUSSIA AND ISLAM to aid the global world government presentation, for “WW3” (actually the fourth cycle of WW btw) is SCRIPTED for this effect.

2. During the initial part of this WW cycle is the JW Decoy Operation Climax to CONTINUE to keep JWs engrossed on the wrong KN (as long as possible is the goal), in this case, Russia resuming the USSR role already heavily ingrained as “King North” into the JW gray matter since 1958.

JWs will be bonkers and mesmerized when Russia SEEMS to perfectly fulfill the King North climax they to have been “predictively programmed” to believe in error, for it must be “the end”. But it will not be “the end” but of the JW org phase of apostasies and UN NGO treaties. And JWs will be fooled UNTIL God breaks the delusion by another development: the Temple Judgment to manifest visibly on JW org destruction (Dan8:13-14; Dan11:41-43 global context of real UN-NOW King North progress), also all sold to JWs as “it is the end brothers!” (GB promoted as per 2Thess2:1-2)

And “sum” it all up and you have?

1. The Armageddon Hoax and the “End of the World” delusion (hence the premature Christ arrival DELUSION of 2Thess2:1-2 which the GB pushes harder than even Christendom which distracts people from the fact King North 8th King WORLD GOVERNMENT is what this “abyss” of WW gives birth to as Revelation 17:8-12, Rev13:3 and Isaiah 41:1 (19:7) PARALLEL to use the relief and global hope to come when this final world war resolves into world government for the purpose of presenting the final wild beast rendition, all as perfectly foretold by God.

2. And JWs, for the darkness period (Dan8:14,26 “evening” phase, 3.19 years, 1150 days, helf of the temple judgment) will be right among everyone else ALSO thinking in error it is “the end”, also being deceived and distracted from the real mission by the same false impression.

“WW3” (really the 4th cycle including the Cold War) provides the global fear zenith and ultimate distraction which will pass into, instead, full world government.

In time JWs will be woken up (Matt13:1-13, for the final warning requirement mission. (Rev9-11) Rev10:11.

And they will then understand why we must “prophesy again” as the “second witness” of the “TWO witnesses” commission convergent final warning swarm (5th trumpet) and final warning cavalry (6th trumpet) continuing to Christ arrival, forewarned 1260 days minimum (Rev11:2,7-13) BEFORE World Government completes.

(Revelation 10:11) . . .And they say to me: “You must prophesy again with regard to peoples and nations and tongues and many kings.”

8th King World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3; Dan12:11), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.


[QUOTE who=”HopeReigns”]<quoted text>

Do you pray for the governments that have been put in place?

1Ti 2:1-2 Therefore, I urge first of all that petitions, prayers, requests, and thanksgiving be made on behalf of all people, on behalf of kings and all those who are in authority, in order that we may live a tranquil and quiet life in all godliness and dignity.

Or do you think this scripture isn’t for you but for the 144k to pray as Paul wrote?[/QUOTE]

Too Late

You can pray all you want, the governments “superior authorities” are being updated by a singular government “superior authority” which is against the divine decree implied in Romans 13. But that poor thing called world government, by then (Isa38) in clear violation of the rules of Romans 13 shall be dusted by the real King, the real thing, Jesus Christ.

hence no reason to waste time on prayers for governments who doomed themselves by sleeping with the UN and the banker elites of the NWO becoming wildbeast fodder in the process.

Paul was speaking of the times when they could be useful, those times are long gone. Now they have become burdensome to the NWO profit margin, and shall be retooled by use of the final world war to tenderize them for removal for NWO World Government, and that is why the 7th King “lasts a short while” yet is not destroyed, they are assimilated into 8th King world government first.

the 8th King is who shall eat direct destruction tacos.

So when the Super Cosmic Bowling Ball called Jesus Christ comes rolling down hell alley at Armageddon, ALL THE NATIONS will be, by then, neatly “racked” into ONE world government for the full strike of the Lord King and Priest of God Almighty.


No longer waste prayers on entities who sold their souls to the wildbeast, it is way way way toooo late. Of course, your churchbound religious overlords are further behind than the UN-GB and the JW UN-NGO zombie crew who think being a UN Annex is OK with God, so you may have also missed this news as JWs have been also misled into the stalled darkness too, or you would not waste your prayers on a doomed and dead Caesar system of old world obsolescence.

Their time since 1914 to RESPOND has quickly passed with NO RESPONSE, just wrath as foretold.

Good luck in your eventual awakening along with JWs and Hag2:7 and Daniel 8:13-14 about to but BEGIN shortly. (1Pet4:17) Welcome to the show, have a seat.

Superior Authorities versus Superior Authority


[QUOTE who=”pcloadletter”]

Right now, It’s not the WT still carrying on about Russia (if they ever DID, b/c I wasn’t around for that, and never heard or read any witness say that.){Though, yes- they did say KON-has been whoever has Syria as a possession or ally.)


They don’t have to be “carrying on”. When the place goes to world war with Russia, JWs will be focused on the wrong King North, which is by design.

King North is world government developers and their flagship of Rev13, 17. JWs think USSR was “Kingnorth” in Daniel 11, which is inaccurate and could have been cleared up in 1990 when they failed contrary to Daniel 11:36.

The point is when Russia resumes the KN role in the future, JWs will be further misled and will think for a period of time, “the end” has approached when it has not, and JWs are NOT done, but they think with the GB that it is pretty much all done.

The effect of this is to delay what still must get done (Rev10:11), furthering the potential JWs will conitnue to drop the ball, and hence suffer destruction because as it is JWs are going nowhere fast.

Eventually you and other JWs will have to face the real reality of what must still be done and what ahs been covered up since 1990. Some JWs will not be able to handle this transition as Daniel 11:41 and Daniel 11:32-35 climaxes in “stumbling” effects, a mass JW stumbling campaign zenith is what the real KN, inside of Bethel by infiltration (Dan11:32a), is hoping to accomplish.

The “all done” JW mindset is like beign at mile 12 of a 25 mile marathon mistahenly thinking it is the finish line, well it aint. Thus the endurance of Matthew 24:13 is currently undermined because the GB has worn out JWs, and now this “let down” to reality will be like having 13 more miles to run in a marathoin, only so many JWs will be able to make the grade.

As far as sum of all fears we are actually talking about the same scenario, hyping up people to also feel it is doomsday come the frist use of a nuclear bomb, which will occur to heighten the “as though slaughtered to death” “doomsday effect” of this coming world war cycle whose real goal is to resolve “peacefully” (1Thess5:1-3) into world government instead, hence Revelation 13:3.

JWs are in a very very dangerous real defcon, KN is going to now bomb the org,figuratively speaking and JWs will fro a time and 2Thess2:1-2, think it is”the end”, aided by heavy sins so God must let it happen as per Daniel 8:13.JWs are NOT in the “right condition” of Daniel 8:14.

Yet. But it will come for those with the endurance of Matthew 24:13 to get it done. (Rev10:5-11)

Tellign JWs it is all about done is going to set up great disappointments among JWs. When they look behind them and see the GB attached to the knife in their back, that hurt for those worshiping the GB will be devestating to some.

The GB ain’t goign anywhere but Isa66:6, Matthew22:1-4, they fall into the hands of Destroyer the Temple Clean-out cleansing angel (Mighty God) of Malachi 3:1-5, Zech3:1-5,comign on JWs soon as 1Pet4:17 and Dan8:13-14.


[QUOTE who=”rsss1″]take Israel for instance…..ever wonder why they have not been destroyed even though they have been vastly out numbered through out time…because God has his hand on that nation


The Rothschilds and Anglos own and operate “Israel” like a theme park of religious instability since especially WW1’s end.

The Rothschilds and Anglo wildbeast priests are NOT “God”.

They have done this so the misled give them credit as God, to draw the duped into heavy blasphey and wildbeast worship, 666 mark, while thinking they are “good Christians”.

THAT is how Satan works.

Israel will survive world war coming up, then the hoax of their divinity will be used to lead people to Wildbeast World Government to join the 666.

Israel was thrown away as a nation in 36 CE, fully official as per Daniel 9:27. Israel is just a prop now.


[QUOTE who=”Newtonian”]<quoted text>

No such thing Tony! At least I haven’t seen it since I started studying in 1956.

Sure we progressed concerning smoking such that we disfellowshipped anyone who would not stop.

Sure we progressed to disfellowshipping those who practice homosexual acts, as well as learning that
this is a form of porneia (Greek)/fornication and therefore is a grounds for divorce.

Apparently you do not understand Jesus’ prophecy for the last days in Matthew chapter 24! Jesus foretold a faithful and discreet slave that would give spiritual food at the proper time.

Our changes have not restricted us from anything really good.

You might as well ask why Jehovah allowed Abraham and Jacob to have more than one wife – why Jehovah put those families through the distress of competing wives.

You really do not understand why Jehovah through his faithful slave continues to teach us and we continue to learn?

You think we should be tradition bound – not willing to change beliefs or practices when good research calls for it?

How would you like Medical science if they insisted on keeping giving treatments that they learned increased the risk of cancer?

Or do you think Jehovah should tell us everything so we can all be know-it-alls?

That will NEVER happen:

Ecclesiastes 3:11
11 He has made everything beautiful* in its time.+ He has even put eternity in their heart; yet mankind will never find out the work that the true God has made from start to finish.

Do you even know what the word “disciple” means?

Did the apostles have this right: see Acts 1:6,7?[/QUOTE]

Jehovah’s witnesses have lapsed into non-approval from God, for many reasons not to mention allowing non-anointed anti-Christian men to run the place in the GB.

From 1919 to 1950s or so, JWs were in approval.

Thus, the no brainer is, JWs need to return to what they were NOT doing in that period of initial approval, there was no “gnat straining” GB, and no insane “over organization”, that all came with the GB Hooligan Fake Fraud Squad. They gotta go, JWs need to get back to the 30s style true Christian.

It is not going to work in the state it is in very much longer and it will bring a big judgment on the JW org, our final apostasy locale now as well as a known publicly approved Wildeast Organization as UN NGO.

JWs have to get back to the past, to get back to the future.


[QUOTE who=”dee lightful”]<quoted text> Believing God’s words has nothing to do with idolizing anyone.You dare to deny God’s own words? Have you forgotten who HE is as you preach to others to deny what is scripture?


Those are your own words as taught by sold-out churches wherein they “read in” their own ideas on Israel and twist scriptures to support the global puppetry called “israel” populated by mostly th fake “Jews” of Rev2:9, 3:9 anyways.

The real cast off Israel proper overall come back with the dead:

(Romans 11:15) . . .For if the casting of them away means reconciliation for the world, what will the receiving of them mean but life from the dead?

So I am not saying “Israel” is eternally forsaken, just as long as they continue to deny Christ’s position and he himself. It will take Christ’s 1000 Year Reign to “restore Israel”; (Matt19:28)

(Matthew 19:28) . . .Jesus said to them: “Truly I say to YOU, In the re-creation, when the Son of man sits down upon his glorious throne, YOU who have followed me will also yourselves sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

So in the “12 tribes” “recreation” Israel will be “received again”. NOT NOW! TOOLATE!

But by that time “Israel” takes on its global “nations of the earth” totality of Abrahmic Blessing covenet wrapping up at global resurrection scale. Meaning wherein the 144000 are but “out of” a twelve tribes of far greater global EARTHLY number and “circuits of the cities of Israel” meaning is the world (Rev11:15):

(Matthew 10:23) 23 When they persecute YOU in one city, flee to another; for truly I say to YOU, YOU will by no means complete the circuit of the cities of Israel until the Son of man arrives.

Which Christ begins to do, “until he arrives” that is WHEN he arrives this final time (Heb1:6; Rev1:7; Rev11:11-13; Matt24:29-31; Matt25:13:31; Rev14; Rev19:11-21) when he completes his own ministry when he arrives with this global kickoff event offer of “everasting” “GOOD NEWS” to all people of planet Earth by means of a 1000 septillion strong crew of holy angels:

(Revelation 14:6-8) . . .And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, and he had everlasting good news to declare as glad tidings to those who dwell on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people, 7 saying in a loud voice: “FEAR God and give him glory, because the hour of the judgment by him has arrived, and so worship the One who made the heaven and the earth and sea and fountains of waters.” 8 And another, a second angel, followed, saying: “She has fallen! Babylon the Great has fallen, she who made all the nations drink of the wine of the anger of her fornication!”

Even final Babylon the Great prisoners (Rev11:13) still in the false religious empire can be freed into that offer while the walls are coming down on BTG when they are exterminated as global institutions of apostasy by 8th King World Government, as God will soon give them JW org ( even before the world government completion comes), as a preview as the Temple Judgment of Jehovah’s Witnesses of Daniel 8:13-14, Zech3:19, Mal3:1-5, Rev8:1-8, 1Pet4:17 parallel mega-global-signal-event to START the final cycle of prophecy manifesting in the rival 8th King/King North completion wherein Israel is there main global puppet for 666 uses.

So I cannot condemn Israel, nor subscribe to your Church Delusions because ANYONE can be saved, true, BUT Israel at this time of zenith apostasy winddown is not some “elite holy land” “superiority complex” free pass entity any longer, as you assert in error. And the churches have a judgment coming from God too, but NOT until under complete world government their destroying entity assigned by God Almighty as their corporate institutional BTG entity portion.

As all that comes true over the next 18 years or so, your words will fail you one line at a time. But you can respond as all can to Rev14:6-7 after your BTG bubble is popped at that time.


[QUOTE who=”little lamb”]<quoted text>

That is shocking when you really think about it

I don’t call non anointed, anti- christian men, Jehovah’s witnesses because it is taking Jehovah Gods name in vain

I call them Watchtowerites , because they have swapped the covenant teachings of Jesus for the apostasy against the covenant as taught by the Watchtower as their teachings .

I won’t bring Jehovah’s name into reproach …Watchtowerites are what they are .


As per Daniel 11:32a, Daniel 8:11 and Daniel 11:41 to climax soon, they are NOT there for no reason, and we all need to be adjusted all “ten virgins” are “nodded off”. Just saying we cannot use JW apostasy as a means to not pay TOTAL ATTENTION to our own need of “ten virgins” WAKE UP EVENTS which will come and use JW org judgment as the thing in which the ANGEL BACKED ANNOUNCEMENT TO WAKE UP occurs!

But it is just the Christ temple cleansing “visit” and preparation to bring anointed into the “temple” “RIGHT CONDITION” as per the TIMING AND EVENTS of Daniel 8:13-14.

You can bet this truly SHOCKING JW DOWNWARD SPIRAL, and why, who, what, where, when and WHY is in PROPHECY! This JW based apostasy as WORSE than the 300 AD Catholic override!

Now the point is this:


It will be SO BIG, that for a few years (Dan8:14,26 “the evening” of temple judgment desolation darkness), JWs will be PARALYZED THINKING “THE END” HAS REALLY ARRIVED!

It has NOT, it is the temple judgment precursor event for a global signal using the mundane JW Org, as much “God’s organization” as any Bible printing group, to show people what happens to a place claiming to be “God’s organization” who then reproach God, join the UN NGO, deny Christ for a Cabal of CEOs in FRAUD SO_CALLED “GOVERNING BODY”.

(Isaiah 28:18-19) And your covenant with Death will certainly be dissolved, and that vision of yours with Sheol will not stand. The overflowing flash flood, when it passes through—you must also become for it a trampling place. 19 As often as it passes through, it will take you men away, because morning by morning it will pass through, during the day and during the night; and it must become nothing but a reason for quaking TO MAKE OTHERS UNDERSTAND what has been heard.” (Dan11:41; Dan8:13-14)

The great news is, it will lead to the final announcement from God’s Kingdom, a final full warning before world government completes to trigger Christ arrival. The JW org downfall judgment is the WAKE UP CALL for which it will manifest soon as, timed in Daniel 8:13-14 for future proof to the ones hardest to get through to: Jehovah’s so-called witnesses.

(Isaiah 42:9) .The first things (first witness stuff)—here they have come, but new things (of the future “second witnessing” (rev11)) I am telling out. Before they begin to spring up, I cause you people to hear [them].

(Isaiah 48:6-7) You have heard. Behold it all. As for you people, will you not tell [it]? I have made you hear new things from the present time, even THINGS KEPT IN RESERVE, that you have not known. 7 At the present (post temple judgment period to follow JW org desolations of Dan8:13, Dan11:41-43) time they must be created, and not from that time, even things that before today you have not heard, that you may not say, ‘Look! I have already known them.’


[QUOTE who=”array”]1914 – WhatÂ’s the Problem?

by apollos0falexandria | Oct 28, 2015 | 1914, The Presence of Christ

Increasingly, brothers and sisters in the organization are having serious doubts….

Thank God there is a far easier solution to the GB promoted 1914 problem, which is no problem in reality for it is NOT a date that is in error it is the event that defines it in 607 BCE. 607 BCE ends up based on the inception of the Babylon final 70 years (607-537) in Nebuchadnezzar’s dynasty marking the main player of Daniel 4. Thus 1914 is fine, but Jerusalem has to assume its true 586 destruction date, but it was an intrigue of the “trampling” of Josiah, Jehoahaz, Jehoiakim, Jehoiachin and Zedekiah that led to that climax which started in the period since say 609 BCE.

First off we are examining GENTILE times, and as such we need to stay focused on gentile history patterns and date points that reflect the prophecy progression of gentile world power HISTORIES which is an progressive “gentile” world government entity at conflict with the spiritual Kingdom of God power system who uses the “Jerusalem” spiritual and divine symbology.

The problem is, you CANNOT use “Jerusalem” events to mark “GENTILE times”. Very sime. ANd Babylon is what founds 607 in Neb’s crown-prince-to-king-of-Babylon inception=607BCE.

But because this continuum equates in time to human world government versus God’s Kingdom at Armageddon, the Jerusalem entity will have been parallel to the development of sovereign conflict symbology and real events anyways and 1914 will stand forevermore as the period that led to the main “League of Nations” representative “image” of the doomed rival “gentile” system of world government as connected by WW1 to that first “image of the wildbeast” manifestation and an active 1260 days “first witnessing” period of the “TWO witnesses” from 1914-1918.

As this comes out after the JW org’s own “trampling” downfall of Daniel 8:13-14 in the near future, the Ray Franz Expulsion and Silencing affair will also become known as to why the dirty KN GB (Dan11:32a) needed to extricate Ray Franz as they seized Bethel power in Korah-like illegality, to accomplish:

1. No further investigation of the “gentile times”; Snuff ray Franz and Olof Jonsson investigative reporting thereby keeping the current 1914 error in place to discredit the JW 1914 teaching at the back end, with the “this generation” debacle to discredit its front end.

2. Sever the natural ministerial leading successor to Fred Franz in Ray Franz to be then in his prime, so when Fred Franz died, the GB Devils assumed full enemy system control INSIDE of the JW org. (Dan11:41 inception)

The goal was then to lead JWs to the UN NGO sins, and continue to undermine the sovereign divine warning of 1914 so people doubt it all to their potentially eventual destruction. The GB is an evil destruction aiding cell of power drunk liars. (Rev2:2)

yet there is no reason to scrap 1914, for the error is only one of a date and event correlation that is in error when the real 607 BCE date is marked by who it should be marked by: Babylon and Nebuchadnezzar’s dynastic inception to mark the date.

Everything else stands and when the GB is destroyed and exposed fully by God in the future the whole final truth will come out for the “second witnessing” totally final warning prior to world government which triggers Christ arrival.


[QUOTE who=”Tony Price 77″]In another thread: (reply #617)

Analytical7 said that my question distracts from the real issue:

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Also in that thread, Analytical7 said:

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Therefore, instead of distracting from the other thread, I thought I’d ask this question in this thread: Do Jehovah’s Witnesses not care about the suffering that some Jehovah’s Witnesses go through? When considering the the suffering that some Jehovah’s Witnesses go through when the Governing Body changes their policies and doctrines?

Because it seems like these JWs’ suffering is alright considering that the other JWs don’t comment about this suffering, and thus don’t seem to care.


JWs are in a serious spiritual dilemma. The Rev8:10-11 modern “wormwood” Kool-Aid is now taking effect from the latest “fallen lamp” of darkness in their all-holy GB.

Add to this “increasing of lawlessness” to “cool the love of the greater number off” right from and among JWs now, and a lethargic “cocksureness peculiar to boasting” and the contraction of God’s holy spirit from off of the disapproved JW ministry and you have the modern context of the modern bamboozled and apathetic JW zombie wandering as you see today with no spiritual compass as GB Milk Cows, being drained of millions of dollars and hours of slave labor quarterly.

So we have an apathetic spiritually drunk JW, in a GB context of JW org UN NGO and sex abuse criminal operations of true secular crimes, in trouble with men and God (1Pet4:14-16), and just trying to “Damage Control Waffle Mix” spin out of this actually severe and deadly mess.

The leaders of the problem are the GB, they came from1944 development to full blown illegal tryranny:

1944: The Governing Body, UN Allied Apostate Leaders of the Implied “Wrong Condition” of Daniel 8:14

Basically, Jehovah’s witnesses used to get back to the approved state when they used to really be strictly Jehovah’s witnesses, not GB witnesses of cover ups.

This climaxed in say WW2 era, and that kind of Christian, and that “system resume” state of the JW ministry is what JWs need to “get back” to. There was no GB until 1976, there was no neurosis of over-organization either, no gnat straining, no idolizing men and organization over God and Christ.

JWs need to “rewind to where we been” and start NOT DOING the same things they were not doing in 1930, for 1919-1950 was an approved state zenith for Jehovah’s witnesses. And JWs need to resume DOING what they used to be doing in exposing the UN manifestations as they happen, as a 3rd UN event prophecy occurred in 1990, which JWs cover up now as UN NGO instead, with the dirty GB devils.

It is time for Daniel 8:13-14 temple judgment. That will put JWs back in time to the “right condition” of days passed.



[QUOTE who=”Supremeliberal”]Why can she not run the Watchtower, all non Jehovah Witness ,i urge you to vote for the next leader of the US ,Hilary Clinton[/QUOTE]

If that is the case we may have a new Queen of the South as the US National power is regenderized as indicated in prophecy for the transition to King North World Government:

(Daniel 11:42-43) And he will keep thrusting out his hand against the lands; and as regards the land of Egypt, SHE will not prove to be an escapee. 43 And he will actually rule over the hidden treasures of the gold and the silver and over all the desirable things of Egypt. And the Libyans and the Ethiopians will be at his steps.

Since this is symbolic of the ultimate subservience in the future of the US National power “King South” to the GLOBALIST King North it matters not which puppet assumes the steering wheel of the USS Titanic.

But it is interesting that the Egypt “King South” (also the 7th King) assumes a new “she” gender in the future as per Daniel 11:42-43 as the US 7th King falls non-destructively into 8th King King North 100% control of all the US wealth and “desirable things”.

The JW “land of decoration” is also climaxed in “invasion” as well, as their internal leadership is King North allied as per Danel 11:32a, so the JW org “invasion” at global scale comes with this transition to world government over the next decade+:

(Daniel 11:41) He will also actually enter into the land of the Decoration, and there will be many [PEOPLE] that will be made to stumble.

More evidence they are ALREADY inside the JW ministry is how many PEOPLE JW lawlessness is now stumbling, but it is going to zenith with the JW org downfall, time signatured for future proof of the temple judgment it is at Daniel 8:13-14 which fulfills in parallel with event context of Daniel 11:41-43.

The other evidence that JW “land” is invaded by the GB King North infiltrators is they do not teach the obvious final dot conclusion that KING NORTH MUST BE the 8th King which all must be convergent globalized WORLD GOVERNMENT, now a no brainer. Russia will end up surrendering with everyone else to the Scarlet Wildbeast.

So they will use the USSR-to-now-Russia “WW3” carrot to keep JWs focused on the wrong King North as long as possible.

This will work for a while of the evenign darkness of Daniel 8:13-14,26, only until the enemy is extricated from the “land of decoration” by the Destroyer (ignites Rev9, final cycle), as the “Assyrians” tasted his midnight fire many moons ago, and so will the anti-JW King North intel ops of today who will try to move on all JWs globally (Hos1:4-7; Isa49:24-26), but to no avail as the Destroyer BBQ’s them at the global-midnight (Isa31:8-9; Isa66:6; Mic5:6-7) of the “evening” of Daniel 8:14,26, that is at the 3.19 year point of the JW org global desolations. (Hos6:1-3; Isa37:30-32; Isa38)

It will take an angel to rid the temple of the enemy, as they will get a note on it before the Midnight Destroyer comes for them, and who knows where they are and he knows how to hit them properly so they won’t be coming back around the temple, just like Assyria. JWs will get the Isaiah 38 15 year extension, minus the 3.19 already elapsed by that time, to final warning “gitterdone”. (Rev10:5-11)


This is how the “second witnessing” of the TWO witnesses transitions into the final global-warning announcement of the indomitable Kingdom of God and will be able to use JW org downfall proof of the Temple Judgment as the first four trumpet, chapter one, of the good news announcement to the world system, as backed by “calling down fire” from Destroyer to remove any obstacles in the ministry when needed until the Rev11:2-3 1260 days completes its 2520 days “seven times” totally final warning and invite to OPEN SALVATION.

After the 1260 days they can cease the “second witnessing” of the TWO witnesses as per Revelation 11:7, Rev13:5-7 (parallel Dan12:11 “cease the contant”). But by then it is time for the last of the 144000 to go home (1Thess4:17; Jude14; Zech12:6-9), and for the Messainci Kingdom Air Force of Jesus Christ and his immortal Fighter Jets to drop in on by then complete (and fully forewrned) poor 8th King/King North world government whose completion triggers the Christ arrival in about as indicative and logical a drawn-out final global drama manner as possible, so many will KNOW this is all true by that time.

Good Day


First off I hope people realize this is the FOURTH world war cycle> Further WW4 has already begun with the phase 1 “world war on terror” which they termed the “global war” on terror to disguise it is the fourth PLANNED cycle of world war.

Now this idea this world war coming up, is WW3, is aided by downplaying the real world war 3, which was termed the “cold war” to denote its military expansion rather than destructive “cold”, yet true “world war” nature, yet still considered by the Pentagon as a third world war operation. They dropped more bombs of Vietnam than BOTH WW1 and WW2 combined! Meaning they expanded, made billions, and offered much human sacrifice to their devil god.

Now WHY is this important? WHO cares buddy!??

Because I am a “there is NO end of the world” anti-“doomsdayer” I want people to udnerstand this world war resolves into world government, that is its purpose.

How do we know FOR SURE this is the case?

Because they ALREADY used this Global World Government Presentation and Development FORMULA…. THREE TIMES SO FAR!



A United Nations related “we need world peace” (and a world government) pitch.

The UN is the “executive branch” of world government, wherein it has a GLOBAL-NATO military in time, and a corporate managerial super-system that when viewed as one operative whole is WORLD GOVERNMENT! It is ALREADY there, it just needs to sue World War 4 to make it all official globally, as “globalization” is not an endless process but it culminates into globalized EVERYTHING, e.g., world government.

All it needs is a new branding term, and a new golden age world peace pitch, the one at 1Thess5:1-3, but it MUST occur AFTER this coming world war is completed with NO DOOMSDAY! NO “the end of the world”, as per Rev13:3 is was all designed to seem as though “doomsday” to aid the distraction and to stoke up the global hopefulness as all people come to realize, nope, it was NOT “the end”, it was NOT “doomsday”.

And in that highly positive mindset global, they will be most likely to accept world government the main objective of all the uses of all the four world war designed cycles.

Keep your head, this world war will pass for the same purpose as the other three.

Of course, after they complete world government and make the global sovereign claims, it will be potentially the most dangerous state of consolidated world power EVER seen on Earth.

To Bible prophecy trackers, that would be the period a “Christ arrival” for open strategic global war for earth’s rulership would occur, not before but AFTER world government completes in full.

Now that is also NOT the “end of the world”, in fact, that is the deliverance of this planet from the negligent planetary management system FOR ITS PRESERVATION AND RESTORATION. That is why they call it generally “Good News”. (Rev14:6-7)

Plus, literally, ANYONE is welcome to boot! Just throw your sword away (forever; Rev14:6-7) and enter the biggest global party you will EVER see and be part of for this period (Dan12:12), and don’t just “survive” but start to live forever.


There is no such thing as “doomsday”, it is a Pentagon buzzword to control scared people by intense fears. The warlords gotta go, and go they will.

Plan on it. That is where this “world war” is heading. THAT is why they want to hide the number of world wars we have had and will have, and downplay its designed use and world government presenting main objective. They use world war “problem” for a global “reaction” to highlight their big “solution” so everyone just accepts it as face value. (Rev13:3; Rev17:8-12)

CHOOSE the other Kingdom. Reject the farce, they ALONE are going down hard come the day, and permanently.

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Thanks for your contribution Star Temple and I agree with the wars being more than whatever number they give. For us the Malhamma or end times wars speak of a series of protracted battles in Islamic end times.
We also believe that the worst tyranny is yet to come with the Anti-Christ and we await prophet Jesus peace be upon Him, because he will fight the anti-Christ and bring a time of peace.
I believe the Satanic ones will bring calamitous times that will change life as we know it but there are many signs to come before the actual last day,

Here are my thoughts for myself primarily:

Their wars will come and go but the most important battles deal with, our mind, body and soul.They fight us in each of these realms with unworthy relationships, unworthy causes, unworthy foods and unworthy economics if we do not fall for their ways we can build our way and lead a righteous path to the Creator of the Universe, God willing.


This world war formulaic cycle to present full world government is already unique in a number of ways:

1. As stated earlier they downplay that it has been a “different in the final part” (paraphrase Dan11:29) world war since the Global war on Terror; they just called it a “Global War” instead of the WORLD WAR on Terror which it is none the less, just as the Cold War was about global military positioning both arms of the eventual World Government total military establishment. (The definition of “(Har) Mount (Magedon) Magedon (military establishment)” in the Hebrew term for a planetary military establishment in completion, the spiritual sovereign universal war “code name” for planet Earth at the time prior to the Jets of God start arriving for the hoedown.

2. It is totally global in extent this time, a true globalized “world” war.

3. It’s extent globally is also unique in that it will affect every possible realm of world power, not just military and political, but financial, religious and social.

A. Related to the above 3, is the extent of destabilizing crisis points in mature formation as we speak, just waiting for the powder keg to blow to go into full global zenith.

NEVER before have we schisms, meltdowns, and consolidation conflicts in ALL of these areas for one world war cycle:

We have a financial meltdown affecting every economic and financial system of earth, 10,000 times worse that the 2008 “Global Credit Crisis”.

We have the political bloc head butt in Western Anglo and BRICS global politico-military camps.

We have the “Christian Crusade vs. Global Jihad” religious instability malaise worse then ever and designed as ever as the social system underpinning.

We have class, gender, and internal gender war, philosophical tsunamis, mainstream promoted deception and ignorance, delusional thinking and total pre-confusion infesting the mass social mindset.

We have a Corporate Darwinism global-economic “ecological” “natural selection” extinction mode global context for the “weakest” corporations to be absorbed by the global corporate monster system, which corporations include national governments as pre-UN an UN defined as corporations.

Now there are more areas of instability as these things affect the geo-political landscape around the key geographical areas in the World War Theme Park Stage, such as Israel and the Middle East, which regional areas can fall into severe dysfunctions to be put “on hold” according to priority until the final sweep can be made which can be planned for the full 10 years post world war transition stage to the depopulation agenda going global in systematic timed manner.

This means certain regions have more “Play Effect” importance than actual NATO military significance and these places can be given the “enemy” to pre-process or to an alpha-dog filtration of smaller scale violence competitions such as what Mexico’s drug world devolved into before and as the CIA cleaned up and put their alpha-dog-druglord system in place. In this manner NATO can let ignorant “warlords” and gangs do some of their purging work for them, then when the alpha dog is itself spent, they sweep in and subjugate the winner for their objectives.

In the corporate religious complex (and the corporate one overall) you will have planned targeting takeovers of certain key corpoarte religious complexes, (such as what you shall see befall the “Worldwide Organization of Jehovah’s Witnesses”, a 30 billion dollar baby guarded candy store of loot and assets) as they do this to fuel the overhead along the way, billion here, billion there, but only a small percentage of actual takeovers, but everything helps.

So we have corporate administrative sub-system infiltrations like never before in history, who like with the “JW Org”, have had to be INSIDE the corporate control system for decades to make what you will see happen to that coming “case study” in religious corporate looting possible. Now this has also happened to governments and other corporations too.

In any event, this cycle will be very powerful in effecting the total realm of prerequisite system “changes” and “tenderizations” required to have complete to eventually fully coerce and persuade all the national powers and peoples to accept World Government with open arms and big smiles as the “only solution”, the target “global-reaction” of this world war “problem-to-solution” formulaic cycle.

It will be big, it will look like “doomsday” in certain peak periods (Rev13:3), but it will just be a global transition to world government final tyranny. (Rev17:8-18; Dan11:42-45; Dan8:25; Rev16:13-16)

But many eyes will be opened for more positive ractions such as letting the real owners and creating agency take over this planet for the better. Just surrender and live, but world government will have to learn the hard way of course, they can’t respond but only one way they know how to “react” themselves; it will be the last reaction they ever have, they will become an eternal anecdote of what NOT to do when living on or visiting with this planet.

Get ready to see things [in person] at the end of this cycle you may have thought were just crazy talk and the work of Tinseltown CGI. The adventure of a lifetime awaits! Stay positive! The finality is all good news, and here for good!

All they gotta do is COMPLETE World Government so the Universal Air Force of the Angels of God KNOW they are ready for open strategic sovereign universal war with the Power That Is, because even Satan and his boys are going to be beat down hard. World Government will be vanquished globally like crushing a styrofoam cup and throwing it in a campfire, they won’t believe their own eyes when they see what but one angel can wreak on the enemy!

But they will be dealing with 1000 septillions of them HKs. There time will be up. But individuals among them can surrender like anyone else and live if they really mean it in their heart. (Rev14:6-8)


JWs now suffer from what is called “over organization”, which over focus on various “gnats” and this that and the other thing helps keep JWs oblivious from the problems in the “board of directors” or the GB as it is called to hide what it really is. (Dan11:32a)

So JWs cannot stay focused on the ruination of the organization from a place within which could be addressed and REMOVED.

In the meantime, the “GB Neurosis” has set in, so you can’t point out ANY problems with the Over Organization, JWs brains squeeze up like clam, and it is all shoved aside as if “persecution” when it is symptoms of coming real PROSECUTIONS because the GB has also managed to get JWs heavily involved with real secular criminal activity, like sex abuse and money laundering.

So you have JWs oblivious to spiritual and secular crimes being “governed” by the GB right under their noses.

Now if we think God is just going to let it slide, we can only be a JW. God will not let this slide, anymore so than any other religion will get off the hook. The thing with JWs is they have been commanded to NOT be viewed as criminals because the judgment ALWAYS begins on God’s house first:

(1 Peter 4:15-17) . . .However, let none of YOU suffer as a murderer or a thief or an evildoer or as a busybody in other people’s matters. 16 But if [he suffers] as a Christian, let him not feel shame, but let him keep on glorifying God in this name. 17 For it is the appointed time for the judgment to start with the house of God. Now if it starts first with us…

That is why JWs won’t slide off the hook. (Dan8:13-14) And that is how it is PROSECUTIONS coming, not “persecutions” used as a cover by neuroticized JWs. Temple prosecutions of God (Zech3:1-3) and secular prosecutions by Caesar.

That is where the GB shepherd of Zechariah 11 has led Jehovah’s witnesses by this technique. (Dan8:12; Dan11:32a)

[quote=’Lisa’ pid=’95833′ dateline=’1478316830′]
[quote]Work on FRIENDSHIPS NO MATTERwhat these globalist goons may pull to try to get a different reaction, the negative ones coming[/quote]
What happens when things come at you from a different angle? Like families?

Matthew 10
Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother and a daughter in law against her mother in law; and a man’s enemies will be against his own household.


Take advantage of lots of prayers like talking to yourself, expect God is on the other line.

Sometimes these divisions are for a “future effect”, like how poor Paul must have felt when realty came to him for real, after he was out taking part in the death of his national family, because they were all “related”. Paul did NOT feel good about his conduct, and that remorse sparked up a new man and it took.

Other times we meet the “test of Job”. How did Job prevail really? Well he had faith, but was entertaining some serious doubts exacerbated by all kinds of contextual negatives.

But there was a patient younger friend of his who really was a friend and he was Elihu. He waited until the end of the drama then he kindly set Job straight before Job found himself in the very calm “eye of the storm” for that “windstorm” that then enveloped Job was no “dust devil” it was gripping tornado like event.

Ultimately, to God, Job was trying to exercise faith, so at the point of near defeat, at the tipping point of throwing in the towel, God provided a real friend and his own presence.

And since Satan is out to get all humans, God MUST do the opposite for all people, so by exercising faith, even if it takes a while, the relief will come. Now with Christ it went through the death limit that breaks most. But then again Christ’s reward is a bit more than Jobs, so we have to have a good selfishness as well, because if people think Christ did all that for nothing they are sorely mistaken, he is the next assured super-universal scale world ruler coming and when God “relies” it is forever.

As some complain about God’s silence on serious injustices being down here on Earth seemingly as if there was no God whatsoever, recall when God does reply it will be everyday and forever, and often the complainers are no more ready for THAT then they are going for the gold in figure skating at the next Olympics.

That is why God waits, all life is involved not just humans, and when it goes “hands on” at Christ arrival humans will be confronted and no longer allowed to just be “wandering lost sheep”. BUT, it means the role of God is then active and daily and at least to the point of attaining the point of deathless “perfection” according to the divine spec, not human ideas, like Adam and Eve were and Christ maintained eevn as a man.

So rather than play the “par for the course” doubts of the world of all these cited examples, for of course a Satan-ruled world will have doubt as the default condition, we have to VIEW THIS IS ALL VERY VERY REAL, AND TO EVENTUATE TO AN ETERNAL REWARD WE HAVE TO FIGHT, SPIRITUALLY SPEAKING, TO LAY HOLD OF WITH A PASSION!

Faith is not forever as har as the current HOPE of Christians and others. It has a point when all thit is hoped for with faith MANIFESTS for good, permanently, that is why the Bible and Christ and the prophets were always coaching disciples to take this dead serious, it WILL come true as PROMISED by God.

These things are not “possible” for God, they are BEYOND-POSSIBLE, they are DONE, guaranteed to happen as promised, they are bound by promise, oaths and blood. And more-than-anything is such for God, things beyond human understanding, things beyond angelic understanding, things not made realities yet are also “possible” for God. He is just patient, Satan’s underlying tool of great effects is time and human impatience, hence Matthew 24:13 and the NEED of endurance and faith.

Part of the “joy set before him” wherein Christ “despised shame” and even death, is RECTIFYING EVERY HUMAN BORNE INJUSTICE, not one child is dead, all are sleeping and when they come back never will a serial killer take a step in that world. Thus people should be careful what we ask for, because when God answers it is forever, and it is in time no longer playing the game, but enforcing rules that ensure everlasting joy for all, not just a few, and that means contrary motives will be removed at the source quickly.

People want freedom, but in the current enslaved sate the JUSTICE that MUST be the basis of real freedom is resisted by flesh in general, and some people in very curious ways. Thus the next phase of planet Earth cannot repeat ANY of the baseline foundational errors that this world is actually BASED on at this time.

That means anyone who is going to actually be successful following “the way” of Chris will HAVE TO BE dead serious with this opportunity coming. Half-vast waffling self-deceptions which work now, will NOT work for long then. We need to get that mindset NOW, and guard it and fight for it, because this is real, and the sooner one starts to take this dead serious, the better, because it takes serious effort, and visualizing it all as if it is guaranteed and will happen, for that is the very truth Satan promotes doubts about to have the opposite effect of everlasting life.

So all angel, human, friend, family, foe, it don’t matter, even ourselves, need to be kept in our place, and faith can ONLY go to God and his Chosen One, no exceptions, because they cannot be broken. Even angels have been broken, and why the test of Christ was a real test.

NOW we know much more forcefully who is coming most assuredly (Rev1:7), this world just has to COMPLETE the sovereign error they will make in time in regard to a “superior authority” in world government, as Romans 13 since Genesis 10, is about plural “superior authorities”, not a sole “authority” which is what complete world government will define. God allows the “superior authorities”, as in national powers, but NOT a sole “superior authority” in one world government of demon and human design. When they do that, that is the line, they will open the lions cage on themselves, and they aint going back in.

When they get to that ultimate transgression, they will meet the real King to their faces. We do NOT want to get stuck in that blood-running-with-ice-water group when Christ starts to manifest whether in “power and great glory” or stealth in “with the clouds” manner, for this invasion is divine, angelic precision, perfectly intelligently designed by God, carried out by the King, timed, and with a total strategic assault effect on the enemy, WHILE extricating the sheep AT THE SAME TIME.

It is very serious business to engage angels of God in true declared open global  warfare, they don’t joke around, they are beyond the speed of light if need be, energized with power beyond material and they have ZERO FEAR, but can get mad as hell like anyone else.

We do NOT want them “out to get us” come that day, for they will be here in the septillions, in no particular “rush” overall, and that is also why people can start to get “hands on” attention from a real “government” that cares about people as Christ proves, there will be far more angels of God out and about than there have EVER BEEN human beings, and their world is immensely older and more expansive and powerful than this little place by a long long shot, it is a huge ancient “WORLD OF ITS OWN”!

In time angels coming and going will be normal fare, it won’t drop jaws except for the first year or so. People will get used to the “power that be” forever, when they come with the King.

Let them call us crazy, so what, to them these events will be crazy, the enemy will be frozen with FEAR of what is coming for them, with good reason. (Rev6:12-18)

Now is your family like one of those angels? Are one of those angels God? Yet God Almighty and all the angels are who are coming. We can only try to be a friend even to flaky family, but we cannot be persuaded to give up the prize because some flake’s whims are not in agreement with the freedom of our worship of God Almighty in the manner we have been shown BY HIM, because there is much controversy down here about YOUR FREEDOM.

The truth is EVERYONE else wants to CONTROL YOUR FREEDOM. NO JOKE!

That is true. Do they plan for the eventuality just barely described above? Usually not, if so, they are your spiritual family. In reality you have the WHOLE ARMY OF GOD AND HIS SON AND HIS ANGELS in your family.

See, the reward is great, Satan knows this. So the fight for that reward will be very real, Satan aint giving up easily for someone to secure the future total joy, he wants misery to be the end result. Plus EVERYTHING in this world is CHANGING upon arrival and after, so we need to be flexible, we are talking huge foundational to top level changes, basically being applied very fast. But angels andpowers of God are far far beyond any news or entertainment this world has even dreamed of, so it is not “boring” we are getting at. DIFFERENT is what I mean.

So, yes, it will be a true “fight of our life”, but as in 1John says in regard to conquest of faith, we can win too. Yes it is going to be DIFFICULT, but it is  a TEMPORARY fight, in time the winners arrive to settle the score for good, after plenty of forewarning, tons of it, and our task is being a source of that invitation to an open salvation guaranteed as per Revelation 14:6-7, finalized ministry by Christ (Matt10:23) and angels, NOT HUMANS by that time any longer.

Thus every man on Earth can respond positively to Revelation 14:6-8 come the time, IF THEY WANT! It is ALL freewill freedom of choice.

Remember the reward, the coming reality, is FOREVER. We need not drag a doubters legacy into forever do we? The here and now, 24/7/365,36500 and so on, is the legacy we will take to forever, let us make it one of faith and love. Once the record is set, it is set. True many can change later, but we want to get to forever “already there”, you know, so to speak.


And the things you can tell them now about world government (and its horrendous ramifications) will take YEARS to manifest, and as the things do manifest, many doubters will start to be transformed to get ready for realty. (Hag2:7) THAT is why God lets this drag on in spite of grave injustices, the “rocking” of the world coming up, will get through to some for their salvation. (Hag2:7)

So you sticking to your faith, with love not revenge you know, WILL affect the salvation of friends and family in your environment, just like Naaman was affected by a little friend of his wife who spoke with faith about Elisha. What if that little girl said nothing, what if the wife of Namaan found it ridiculous that leprosy could be cured by God through the hands of a prophet?

ONE SENTENCE of a story about Christ inspired enough faith in some to save lives and be healed. ONE SENTENCE of background talk! Now this is coming from a person with many “family dramas” so I am not just looking from the outside telling you how to fight the lion, I know what you mean.

But the point is you sticking to your faith with full 100% resolve WILL end up affecting others for their salvation. If we did not do this they won’t benefit either. So it is best for all if we do it.

We need to SEE lives are in our own hands in the way that the smallest thing now can spark someone’s faith later, and the hope enlivens in them that what we believe is indeed instead actual reality minus the Satan doubts.

God’s power strengthens as long as we do not use it or view it like a cliché, but a reality. Freewill Belief is the power knob that allows the power of God’s strength to BECOME REAL as we believe it.


In the long run “God’s will done on Earth” will be the reality, and those against for those who still get spared or resurrected, will be to their shame, not ours. Might as well resolve to walk tall with humility but reality in the coming world system. Resolve to not be a hands-on-every-second waffling doubter, because they will be under constant coaching to either get with it, or get back to where God resurrected them from, in time there is no “two roads” but one Christ “way”., period.


Consider it a challenge from a loser in the Devil, when you have to endure a doubter or ridiculer. Conquer by FAITH in God. He of course “win in the end”, stay WITH Him.


[QUOTE who=”Supremeliberal”]<quoted text>Hilary is not under FBI ,they are investigating text from a Clinton aide computer ,Little Lamb is obvious you believe worldly lies [/QUOTE]

You probably don’t have to worry, it seems “higher powers” in the global government development chain want Hillary in for who knows what, maybe to die in office, it is all speculation.

But the good news is for the Hillary Camp, is that if they can overlook the Clinton role in the Mena Arkansas Cocaine Project and its tie-ins to the CIA, Noriega, Oliver North and that whole Gary Webb and thing up in California that even “investigative reporters” were discovering because it unwound like a keg of interconnected worms (until they “killed themselves” with TWO shots to the head, that is) then a little “information” trading for contract fees of the modern Hillary won’t probably stay on the radar.

But who knows really, we will just have to wait to sea who will captain the USA Titanic into the obligatory final world war cycle. But they are just puppets, the real Cappy is of course the Devil gearing up for resisting the “Abyss” brig, and he will fight like hell to remain free, but of course,to no avail because the Destroyer don’t take “no” for an answer and prison awaits the whole demon crew.

With that in mind as the reality even they face, who cares who is President in comparison? Right? Think about it!. War with the Kingdom of God is coming for the planetary Throne, THAT is what you should be tracking, not political puppet shows. Everyone is in the same “boat”. World government ain’t going anywhere but down when the REAL KING arrives.

Jot it down. (Rev14:6-8) ANYONE can surrender and be saved, it just has to be sincere. Don’t mess with The King of kings is always some good advice. (Ps2)


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I think you are wrong,the heaven is his throne the earth is his foot stool,that is a big God……..if he created the vastness of the heavens and earth you limit God to not being every where at once?

Well his spirit is what is “everywhere at once”. Almighty God’s very presence would vaporize a man, he is pure brilliant power in its “rawest” form, so no man can see God physically and yet live.

By his holy spirit and angels, such as the Word, he can associate with men directly, and by the spirit all reality exists and he has total control of all seen and unseen reality and cause anything he desires to occur, not as “possible” but as GUARANTEED to occur as he dictates.

God is the Master of all reality and awareness beyond “everywhere at once” because he is eternal, every ant, dog and fly has a WHOLE Almighty God watching then down to subatomic scales to the very edges of a universe full of of the galaxies and stars men know nothing about. THAT is what an eternal infinite being is, and why ONLY Jehovah is that being, even the Son bends knee and respects the superiority of YHWH, the One and ONLY “Almighty” GOD.

God will bring in new realities even angels and especially men cannot imagine at this time. So even non-real things have willed futures making more than “anything” “possible” to God. This is why the Satan is a futile fantasy, he is saying he is MORE than that Almighty God. All shall see what Satan is to God: NOTHINGNESS, a reality coming for the Devil and all who subscribe to his beliefs.

This is also why the main modern reproachers of God at GB stupefied UN-NGO-WildbeastAnnex-Bethel will not escape the judgment of Daniel 8:13-14, Zech3:1-5. (Isa66:6; Matt22:1-14)

It will be on CNN for all to see. God will cause that temple judgment “reality” to manifest on the JW org for a sign of where we really are in prophecy, at the START of the final cycle, not near the end yet. (1Pet4:17=Rev8:1-8=TempleJudgmentPhase)


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In eccl 12:7 it says when we die we go to god.Maybe that’s were we fly off to?[/QUOTE]

Well even Solomon had a question. One day, one of the King’s girlfriends came to the court and asked him a certain question big-brain Solomon could NOT answer:

And the BIG question was:

21 Who is there knowing the spirit of the sons of mankind, whether it is ascending upward; and the spirit of the beast, whether it is descending downward to the earth?

And its “dust to dust” context is this:

(Ecclesiastes 3:19-21) . . .For there is an eventuality as respects the sons of mankind and an eventuality as respects the beast, and they have the same eventuality. As the one dies, so the other dies; and they all have but one spirit, so that there is no superiority of the man over the beast, for everything is vanity. 20 All are going to ONE PLACE (Hades dust symbol). They have all come to be from the dust, and they are all returning to the dust.

I guess if the [spirit” of man goes to God, so does that of the beast also in Sheol. Now we can answer the question correctly and how Christ “gathers all things” on earth as well.

Thus, the “recreation” of Matthew 19:28 and Ezekiel 47:9, is a real total “Re Genesis” Re-regenration of all thing, RE-CREATION. (Isa34:14-16)

I mean what kind of a “kingdom” calls itself a kingdom and forgets the little things?

Certainly NOT the Kingdom of God.

The day Christ arrives “roadkill” will LITERALLY come to life to join the coming feast. This world ain’t seen nothing, yet. But its coming after they finally get their little “world government” done. THEN, Christ will “drop in” for the pow wow.


I knew I missed one.

THE BOOK YOU MUST READ IS “THE NATIONS SHALL KNOW I AM JEHOVAH”, because its apostasy in Isarel details will apply to JW org when they go down, and it appears, be recovered in the same locale as the, by then, former apostasy.

It is more effective when God “faces the music” in the place reproaching his name, mono a mono.

Paradise by Theocracy book (Zech/Haggai) will also apply, because we will be headed by that time to the known final “Temple” completion cycle (Rev8-Rev11:1-19, final seven “trumpets”).

(FYI, The time it took to go from foundation to temple completion in Jerusalem of post 537 BCE, was about the same timing as Isaiah 38 (circa 15 years, 537-516+/-), from temple judgment INCEPTION event day one, JWs will get 15 more years to complete the “final warning”.)

The extra timing beyond 15 years, from 537-516 (temple completion; Zech6:9-15), is that Daniel 12:11 final 1290 days, btw) The Isaiah 15 years is for the final warning, which is followed by the Christ arrival period 1290 days, which of course JWs are also extended into, but the 15 years will become known because of the final warning implications. (Rev10:11))

In time and events this will make total sense and why a post-temple-judgment (Dan8:13-14,26) final warning surge of light (Dan8:14, Hos6:1-3, Rev9, Matt13:1-13) has to occur prior to world government “8th King”/”King North” Scarlet Wildbeast as whole world government completion and the Christ arrival it WILL trigger. (Dan8:13-14) You’re just getting an early heads up for some reason of the future.

Don’t get complacent, it’s coming.

JWs will need a “crash course” to catch on.


[QUOTE who=”Samson”]I was sitting here reading some comments , commenting myself sometimes and I was thinking what is so different about this place to other debate forums I have seen. Then it struck me.

Ex JWS or strong anti JWS are like no other people that I have come across, in this way. They go around and around in circles over and over again. They ask a question get an answer then discuss it for a while. Then a day or two later you’ll see the same question from the same person to the same person and its a repeated pattern over and over. They ask for a viewpoint they get a viewpoint so why do they constantly keep asking ? They’ve had the viewpoint but somehow can’t move on. Its weird.

Here’s something else I noticed that they do. They quote a JW article, comment on that article then claim they have proved something to you about that article. But they havent! All they did was tell you what they say its means. This isn’t proof. I have a theory on this I believe they were trained so strongly to take the governing bodies word as gospel this attitude is ingrained in them. Except now they hate the governing body so much they have ingrained in themselves that their word is gospel. Its kind of a built in mentality they can’t escape so instead of escaping it they swap it from the governing body to themselves.

Now I have said this it is proven lol. No of course not .That’s just my theory.

Maybe some of the witnesses here have a theory or would like to join in with specific things they’ve noticed. Could make for an interesting discussion.[/QUOTE]

That’s JWs also fit right in.

They also do that but with GB words of advice, even among themselves for the occasional “black sheep” among them who has a question in the seeming area of possible “dissent” and criticism of the rogue CEOs of the WTBTS.

The controversy is the most of any religious group on the Web, except Islam.

It will come in handy when Matthew 24:15 comes on the JW org, because some anti-JWs are actually Jehovah’s real witness in this period and must warn of GB and UN NGO apostasy and that it will trigger a divine HUGE judgment on lawlessness in the JW org. Jehovah’s [former] witnesses are Governing Body Witnesses now-a-days. You know, it IS what it IS. Man worship.

Doubt now, time Daniel 8:13–14 which is timed because most JWs will need a certain verifiable timed prophecy to catch on this is no joke. 3.19 years desolation to recovery. 1150 days, each evening and morning count TWICE is a day for the desolation “the evening” phase. (Dan8:14,26)


[QUOTE who=”Mikronboy”]Everything is up for sale.

I guess they’re expecting a hit from those child abuse cases.

Liquidation of about 5 billion imo, 10 since 2004.

WTBTS is worth about as much as the Mormons: 30 BILLION. JWs are smaller but more “slave labor” productive than the relatively free Mormons who only have to do two years in the pen, and that is just riding bikes here and there. JWs get subscripted for life, at all levels of the main GB profit enterpise: real estate development.

With free everything for 20 years plus, and 500 million JW dollars tossed in for kicks a year, you can amass quite a fortune and it may be more than 30 billion that is well conservative.

They are already telling JWs “JW org is attacked soon, very soon, and we are going down”.

Do the math. This is a classic corporate liquidation before a classic “corporate takeover” event, to get some of it out, they will probably liquidate another 5 billion in near future (known publicly) and leave 4 billion nailed down globally for the national legal eagles.

The bank stuff and stock stuff will just be plain looted, that will net 15-20 billion. But, in retrospect it has been alread gone the moment it went in to the banks and securities since post 1976 and 1990, 2000 “reorganizations” so JWs are done as far as a resource base soon.

NO WAY IN HADES is that place “broke”. JWs thinking that just means MORE money has come in since JW media arrived, and we are talking possibly a billion dollar year to top 2001, or whenever it is they did a 900 mil donation year.


The “last days” are marked from 1914 to “the end” (Matt24:14), to the “last day”. The Daniel “time of the end” of the “last days” is special, it is marked in part by the required timed JW organization downfall for UN NGO and GB (Dan11:32a), the temple judgment (Dan8:13-14) inception coming up and will be an accelerated well signaled “last days of the last days” final “TIME of the end” period to include the Isaiah 38 timing on JW ministerial extension. In Daniel prophecy the “time of the end” is marked by the 1990 3rd UN “image” presentation which JWs now cover up as an important prophecy.

The “time of the end” began in 1990.

It is now a “TIME of the end” because from Daniel 8:13-14 (2300) to Rev11:2-3 (1260) to Daniel 12:11 (1290) marked timed time frames it is timed in overall manner.

The framework those TIMINGS fit into are the major continuums of urgent note in the temple completion span of Zechariah (roughly 18 years), Isaiah 38 (15 years) and the “seven trumpets” and the “seven times” 2520 days as the final 1260 days “final witnessing” portion completes Rev11:1-10 into Daniel 12:11’s final 1290 days.

The 1290 days will be already be freshly activated when Christ arrives global “sheep sweep” to salvation prior to his conquest of Rev11:15 made manifest from shore to shore as the then seated (Matt25:31) King of kings of the Messianic Kingdom which has to COMPLETE at that time, hence Rev14.

Jehovah’s witnesses could understand all this easily, but are delayed 20 years in GB cover up (Dan8:12) of 8th King/King North world government which is the globally seen entity that actually “triggers” the Christ arrival when completed and stated. (1Thess5:1-3 UN NWO “World Peace” proclamation)


[quote=’EliasP’ pid=’95903′ dateline=’1478388153′]
Prerequisites and causes of WW3 according to the Prophets:

-gathering of Jews (happened)
-Jews bringing war to the world (happened and happening)
-false ecumenical council (happened)
-“peace” and prosperity in the West (happened)
-mass-immigration (happening)
-Islam growing in strength, referred to as “Mohammedan empire” (happening in Turkey)
-weakening of Britain (Brexit happened, Britain no longer an empire)
-apostasy in Christianity (happening)
-moral and societal collapse, atheism (happening)

-the true gospel being preached in every country
-missionaries being called back
-something to do with Saudi Arabia (US betrayal? War over Saudi Arabia?)
-something to do with British betraying (betraying France or US?)
-destruction of the state of New York (possibly related to Middle East, could also be false flag or “an act of God”)
-civil wars & general revolution, beginning in France
-triumph of nationalist revolutions, people of a former Roman province gain independence
-withdrawal of US forces from Europe
-assassination of three important people in the Balkans
-great wonder that can only be from God (I’m certain that it’s the return of the Numbers 16 miracle)
-a celestial sign i.e. a comet appears in the sky
-a rain of glowing fire which sets everything it falls on ablaze (possibly caused by the comet)
-US divided into two islands, part of it sinks (caused by the comet and/or a pole shift)
-construction of a bridge at Cologne
-an attempt to institute reforms, to restore the divine order, the true primordial belief in a church/cathedral/sanctuary in Germany
-Russian invasion and revolution (good or bad?)

The very very important clue that Jesus Christ gave is this:

(Matthew 24:6) you are going to hear of wars and reports of wars; see that you are not terrified. For these things must take place, but the end is not yet.

(Luke 21:9) Furthermore, when you hear of wars and disorders, do not be terrified. For these things must occur first, but the end does not [occur] immediately.”

Plainly stated the end does NOT arrive during the fake “doomsday” of the period coming up, and I mean the end of a complete world government which still has yet to complete and then present itself to the world. (Rev13:3; Rev17:8-12)

So the “problem” period of well controlled chaos coming up is NOT “the end of the world” nor doomsday.

Knowing this then this:

(1 Thessalonians 5:1-3) Now as for the times and the seasons, brothers, you need nothing to be written to you. 2 For you yourselves know quite well that Jehovah’s day is coming exactly as a thief in the night. 3 Whenever it is that they are saying: “Peace and security!” then sudden destruction is to be instantly upon them just as the pang of distress upon a pregnant woman; and they will by no means escape. 

Then it is easy to know the world government big hoopla “solution” mantra will be their long awaited “we have WORLD PEACE everyone!”.

Long awaited in various ways because to a Christian a world peace is that implied “NO wars and reports of wars” period that signals the real arrival of Christ final event the world ill see fully as it progresses through this coming engineered world chaos period coming up, to the final steps of installing the front end of a world government whose back end is ALREADY ruling.

Just, not in the capacity a vanquished Islam, Middle East, Russia China and BRICS will of course entail. At that time no more national sovereigns will exist in the autonomous manner they seem to exist now, and used to exist in especially before WW1 when the whole national slavery of governments to the bankers went into huge overdrive which ended up being a “loan revolt” in the Treaty of Versailles “bill collection” treaty from which Germany is who revolted the treaties terms, especially the “reparations” debt portion which of course led to world war cycle 2. Cold War 3, and so on.

The point being there will be, in time, under world government, NO MORE “wars and reports of wars” because no sovereign national conflicts can occur with no sovereigns. But in effect it will be world government versus everyone else, you know, the depop decade plan.

The point is under world government is the signal of “the end”, and it is a signal not of “wars and disorders” but of WORLD PEACE under NWO final UN presentation no matter what they rterm and rebrand that jalopy as.

This is no “doomsday”, “Armageddon” or “the end of the world coming up” because this is the MOST CRITICAL AND IMPORTANT PERIOD EVER for the world government elite system. They will GUIDE this thing with total control of all the military aspects and financial system control aspects of what is an ENGINEERED FOURTH WORLD WAR CYCLE.


Because this is the time it “goes global”, not a national “911” but a global one, and the volatile potential is present to really “lose control” of the whole thing, which would bust the elites back to the dark ages, or worse, if a global-planned-dysfunction got truly out of hand.

Instead, they crash 10-20% and keep in control of the rest by careful event progression planning, to ensure they do not hasten their own extinction even accidentally and this is why the “risk manage” down to the most paranoid levels of self preservation planning for the elite system.

Secondly, world war cycles produce more production than the 30 years that preceded them or more, they are the “gravy train” in industrial “realignment” and revival and this time digital system to. For example, proprietary system software development will boom with world war imo, as did the US industrial system in WW2 as its “plowshares” sector of farm machinery development was “converted” to “swords” tanks and other “fast tracked” war equipment production in which mode it remained, the “vacuum” was filled by a new agricultural industrial core. (Joel3:9-11)

It was so pronounced that is what drove the Eisenhower “Military Industrial Complex” warnings because he saw how world wars increase production of machineries of destruction and how the elites pocketed 300 billion in WW1, and 5 trillion in WW2, it is their “gravy train” section 2 of 3.

1. Section 1 is the debt and capital shift 10 years before the world war (1929=2008); 1929 “Wall Street crash was the shift to send stolen US assets to start to get ready for WW2; 2008 “Global Credit Crisis” “mortgage backed” “slush funding” shifted 40 trillion for the next world war.

2. Section 2 is the war profiteering;

3. Section 3 is the “we must repair” icing on the cake stage. This time the will scoop 500 trillion, the rest of the world’s real assets and wealth, may be more like a quadrillion, because the religious holdings alone will be more than 300 trillion and its is scooped up AFTER the world war cycle; So we are talking the “gravy train” of all the “gravy trains” ever! Thus why the elites and their Devil pal are in total planned preparation for this cycle.

So, they MUST control the outcome lest an “accident” shoot their own system feet off, which they shall avoid at all costs. Plus they are allowed to complete world government (it fulfills the convergent terminus of all the main sovereign prophecies of Dan2,7,8,11-12, Rev13, 17)

The elite system will be successful up to the end of their road, that is world government complete, because that will furnish all humanity with an in everyone’s face GLOBAL INDICATION of a sole global sovereign signal development.

That so-called “world government” thing, will, of course, get the “divine response” to their very faces, as the “delay” will eventaully inevitably be met from one day to the next, from one minute to the next, by a battle array of Christ’s “Air Force” of angels so thick the “stars will fall from the sky”, figurative, you won’t be able to extract the orb of the sun amidst that battle arrayed squadron of angels enveloping this planet like a seven layered cake, layers and layers and layers and rows and rows and rows of them, BILLIONS UPON BILLIONS,  ready to “gitterdone” for the Kingdom of God.

(Zechariah 14:6-9) “And it must occur in that day [that] there will prove to be no precious light—things will be congealed. 7 And it must become one day that is known as belonging to Jehovah. It will not be day, neither will it be night; and it must occur [that] at evening time it will become light. 8 And it must occur in that day [that] living waters will go forth from Jerusalem, half of them to the eastern sea and half of them to the western sea. In summer and in winter it will occur. 9 And Jehovah must become king over all the earth. In that day Jehovah will prove to be one, and his name one.

That is why this has to drag out, many many people will be able to put the above together like 2 and 2 over the next 15-18 years and choose the winning Kingdom, which offer will stand as backed by them same angels under Christ:

(Revelation 14:6-7) And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, and he had everlasting good news to declare as glad tidings to those who dwell on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people, 7 saying in a loud voice: “FEAR God and give him glory, because the hour of the judgment by him has arrived, and so worship the One who made the heaven and the earth and sea and fountains of waters.”

The era of demon and man rule is nearing its end.


There is going to be a “five foolish virgins” depletion of anointed coming up, it is the final temple judgment cycle. Take it slow, because we are seeing a final fulfillment based on the first fulfillment cycle. That is how their are really TWO witnesses, two global witnessing phase of all out prophecy being summarized.

Yes I am anointed. BUT that is just a “token”, we have to get the eventual final warning done as per final round Rev10:5-11, 11 “you MUST prophesy AGAIN”.

Of course, the resistance now centered inside of Bethel as per Daniel 11:32a-35 and Daniel 8:11-12, is evidence even the initial awareness of what is being described here will be resisted because it really is the “final warning” as the final 1260 days will complete as 2520 days, that is 2 witnessing periods X times 1260 days each, 1260 (1914-1918) and 1260 coming up AFTER the temple judgment timed affirmation temple judgment events manifest on the JW org as Daniel 8:13-14, very soon.

The final “seven times” is 2520 DAYS, that is the “trick” to Revelation 11, fyi.

I say take it slow because this is a DUAL fulfillment merely separated by the classic Jehovah’s witnesses ministry from 1919 to today’s devolved state, even a “UN NGO” Wildbeast endorsing organization now.

Take it slow, pray much, and study the old Franz era JW pubs. Take it slow, but KNOW the first and final prophecy is THE SAME PATTERN, merely updated in the future for all the post 1990 3rd UN centered prophecy that Bethel is concealing ON PURPOSE.

We have “seven trumpets” which outline the whole final cycle from temple judgment (Rev8), to recovery (Rev9) to final warning official divine commission of Rev10-11:1-7.

For logical reasons, this time rather than “interpret the prophecy” after the fact, we NEED to be able to forecast it BEFORE the fact of world government which complete “8th King” and “King North” entity WILL trigger the Christ arrival! Very very simple, and why they are doing their best to infiltrate and subvert JWs so as NOT to make that simple simple connection to “final dot”.

We have a simple solution as well: Get back with what Jehovah’s witnesses [used to be doing] when in approval for sure 1919-1940 and leave the GB illegal device and its polices far behind. UNTIL JWs do that, there will be no healing or “right condition” of Daniel 8:14.

But it is easier said than done, because that “mountain” like obstacle in the ministry is the same “mountain” of Revelation 8:9 and Zechariah 4:6-9, it is King North installed IN the JW leadership area of the ministry. But as per both Rev and Zech, it will be “flattened” to allow the final announcement to come forth.

Take it slow but KNOW Daniel 8:13-14 is the temple judgment. And it is TIMED as 3.19 years “evening” and 3.19 years “morning, “evening” of Daniel 8:14,26 darkness, followed by the “fire of the altar” purification to recovery of the “morning”; same as the Rev9 “abyss” being opened to the light, same light as the “five discreet virgins” must “get their lamps ready” in that period to shine in this final announcement.


Thus you may doubt here and there, but overall Daniel 8:13-14 WILL PROVE ITSELF IN EVENT OF TEMPLE JUDGMENT AND ITS TIMING.

PAY ATTENTION to the JW org downfall dates, and treat it as matthew24:15, that is UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES do you go back to the “JW org”, it has the UN NGO “disgusting thing standing in a holy place” as per Matthew 24:15, which means FLEE NOW! if you are there. BIG JUDGMENT is coming on JW org, AND the place has “the enemy in the house” too boot.


The rest will start to make sense as we step into the first four trumpet overview of the events of the temple judgment and the complete revelation of the apostasy and the who, why, where, when and how in the prophecy as to the GB apostasy promoting device’s power, and how and when and why it got there. The will be removed and exposed as if God is doing, because he will be doing it.

That revelation of the “lawless one” in an official capacity of verifications will be the start of the “enlightenments” that end up at the final warning commission. It takes time because JW are stubborn and way off course, so it is timed as stated as a verifying thing that will be based on JW org desolations to recovery.

I am assuming God will recover in the place reproaching him, but it depends on JW upper level and all levels repentance or God will use another tool, you know. We have to wait and see. “Upper level” I mean as in God assigned duties like anointed have and JWs that know how the org distributes globally (insiders who can be spared the cleansing purge), NOT the “Governing Body”, that thing is evil and has to go for good.

Now God knows all things, has no limitations and so on, BUT he often uses the “path of most resistance” and human beings and out mundane tools to get things done, as he did in all times past.

This means we will be required to ACT, it will take ACTIONS from human Christians to respond as we go along. But in the timing of Daniel 8:13-14, the “angel of the covenant” will “visit the temple” and clean the place out, at the first 3.19 year break point, and it will get easier after the enemy is Isaiah 66:6 and Hosea 1:4-7 expelled by the temple cleansing angel.

We want to get to that “morning” of the recovery. By then we will have the JW org downfall and its Daniel 8:13-14, Zech3:1-5, Rev8:1-8 meanings backing us in a very very explicit and verifiable manner.

Be patient and don’t get fooled with JWs, they are under the “mystery of lawlessness” and its GB main “operation of error” (2Thess2:1-4,9-12) for now, but not for good.

This the more in-depth analysis of all this prophecy update coming:

As usual and and as per 1Peter4:17, “the judgment” STARTS with the “house of God”. And, this is the BEGINNING of the final prophecy cycle, NOT “the end” as JWs are expecting way way too soon, as per the 2Thess2:1-2 SIGNAL DELUSION of the “lawless one”.

Take it slow, but study steadily. We are at the “eve” of the Temple Judgment of parallel Dan8:13-14, Rev8:3-8, Zech3:1-5, Mal3:1-5, 1Pet4:17. ALL of them prophecies BEGIN with the same event of the temple judgment of modern Jehovah’s witnesses.

MORE anointings have to complete (Matt22:1-14) well before the “final sealing” to fill in for the coming depletion of Matthew 25:1-13.


[QUOTE who=”ukguy61″]<quoted text>

Considering the date 607 BCE has been proved wrong by all the experts, clearly 1914 meant nothing of the sort.


Actually, you need to clarify the 607 BCE date. With the “Bethel 20 Year Glitch” is a Date+EVENT correlation which is in error.

607 BCE MUST be a “gentile time” and that would be Nebuchadnezzar’s Crown-Prince-to-King period of 605-607 BCE, actually marking a still valid 607 BCE for the first 70 years and 2520 years “seven times” connection to 1914.

Jerusalem’s kingly “trampling” began with the death of Josiah and Jehoahaz at the Egyptian hands and the puppet Kings of Jehoiachin, Jehoiakim, and Zedekiah who fell under the Babylon transition of Neb’s rise to power.

Thus, we can slide Jerusalem’s destruction to 586 BCE, still keep the 607 BCE marked on Neb’s Kinging “gentile time history” marker, and thus the final 20 years of Jeremiah’s warning to avoid destruction was an offer the last kings of Judah could have taken, but they continued in a bad course and thus the Jerusalem destruction was the last resort for both God and Nebuchadnezzar.

Neb’s hands were full with Egypt and Assyria to fully conquer them, Jerusalem was not a real threat nor would Neb waste manpower on that last priority when full resources needed to be shifted to subjugate Assyria and keep Egypt back,which all happened as recorded in “gentile history”.

By the time of 586 BCE, Neb was at the final straw with Jerusalem due to the Zedekiah stunt, and so finally he (and God the main driver using Babylon) just destroyed the place, but would have much rather kept it as a productive vassal rather than a new exile liability.

Thus in real GENTILE based “times” reality, 607 BCE to 1914 CE is valid, will stand forever and is the period of the true divine Kingdom warning to this world’s gentiles that the King Christ is preparing for sovereign battle with them when they finally try their own “Kingdom of the World” which will be world government complete.

That final gentile 8th King event will be preceded by a 1260 day REPEATING truly final warning as the Revelation 11 2 witnessings is 2 x 1260 days, 1914-1918’s 1260 days plus the future’s 1260 days to also complete “seven times” as 2520 days after JW org is judged and also “trampled” as per Daniel 8:13-14 to set the stage for this final global drama. Even universal, because Satan has “been judged, now the ruler of the world will be cast out” which is the FIRST Christ “temple arrival” statement to be REPEATED by that second witnessing of the TWO witnesses.

BOTH “seven times”, the 2520 years and 2520 days converged at 1914 in hindsight.

THAT is no accident, plan accordingly, plan for the King Christ response on 8th King/King North WORLD GOVERNMENT when they finally complete and present that entity and its signal “we have World Peace!” of 1Thess5:1-3 in the next 15-18 years.

1914 is when it all BEGAN to end.


[QUOTE who=”Caciques a liar “]<quoted text>

No need , enough mixed nut agendas here to go around, my name is because a clown kept getting my real one banned while telling us lies and praising his own faith, no fear, he is still around and will be back, he needs the attention


See! There you go, that’s all I was wondering about. Now I understand your position better. Good day.

Remember that JWs, well most of them, are now under an “operation of error” to lead them like lemmings to “bunkers” for future capture, so they are in a pickle and are bamboozled and greatly confused because the do not want to accept the truth the GB is the one holding the knife stuck in their backs.

The started to love the GB like fathers, and it is very hard for JWs to accept the GB wants them dead or in prison in reality. Ice bucket challenge, JW version.

That is why JWs are out swinging at steel pinatas and wander blind as UN NGO and pedophile packers.

Something inside of the JW leadership is very very WRONG, from the Devil as stated at 2Thess2:9. (Dan8:11-12; Dan11:32a)

Now when you see JW org go down right on CNN, you can also know what is REALLY going on inside the apostate JW leadership that aided it. It is timed at Daniel 8:13-14 lest any doubt this is not true, it is the temple judgment; God has had enough of the JW apostasy is what it is. (1Pet4:17)

Now by translation of the “house of God” we can deduce this hint:

(1 Peter 4:17) 17 For it is the appointed time for the judgment to start with [Bethel]. Now if it starts first with us…

*** it-1 p. 295 Bethel ***
(Bethel) [House of God].


[QUOTE who=”ukguy61″]<quoted text>

Nomi has been saying that all her JW life. She will go to the grave still saying it



Well it is a signal prophecy of the main delusion that affects all of Christendom which JWs rejoined by the GB clergy and a “man made” theocracy as cover. The GB clergy system is our FINAL “man of lawlessness” which promotes the delusion the coming crash cycle is “the end”.

As per Revelation 13:3 the “sword stroke” of world war is “AS THOUGH” “slaughtered to death” which must repeat now on the full seventh king system as it has been a world war cycle in all three cases so far including the Cold War which cap off in a “peace resolution” and a UN step towards a sovereignty to help “ensure world peace”.

So the “crash” cycle is predictable now because it has been used 3 times prior to another UN prophecy fulfillment in 1919, 1945 and 1990, so the fourth cycle is just the same “problem” phase to precede the “solution” of world government while promoting a “doomsday” ” it must be the end of the world” delusion which takes a positive “let the nations regain power” (Isa41:1) turn into INSTEAD global recovery and the “sword stroke got healed” phase which promotes a positive global reaction towards world government and its acceptance as the 4th UN step is into full “8th King” “King North” World Government.

In the meantime the “as though” “doomsday” “death stroke” paralyzes Christians and Jehovah’s witnesses with that same premature “the end” delusion to attempt to silence the final warning announcements because world government crosses the line drawn in that Rev13:1 “sand” and it triggers Jesus Christ into the global “sheep sweep” to be brought in under a battle array of holy angels filling every sky dome and horizon of planet Earth for the finality of the battle for Earth’s throne.

It takes time for JWs and Christians in general to start to catch on, because the delusion distracted their minds as Paul warned in 2Thess2:1-2.

But in time, many will realize world government is the final signal prior to Christ arrival, global religions go down as Babylon the Great AFTER BOTH world government and Christ arrival is complete. In this way, Christ can extract “my people” (Rev18:4; Rev14:6-8, Rev11:13) from the BTG destruction phase as he “subdues in the midst of his [complete] enemies” in final form, saving friends and destroying the enemy systems at the same time, much by their own hand and technologies.

Thus the conundrum with off course JWs is for a global signal as many people will start to wonder just what the JW org downfall means, when “the end” does not arrive near as soon as JWs expected, even more premature that the premature Christendom “rapture” delusion.


But it is all true, its timing is just what got messed up and was used against “God’s house” as long as God permitted the delusion of the “operation of error” to hold sway, which is temporary; of course, there will be a full awareness of the Christ arrival before it occurs and the Revelation 14:6-8 OPEN SALVATION OFFER is open to any person, tribe, nation or tongue to accept on the spot of post Christ arrival, as still be saved.

ANYONE on Earth can surrender to the Immortal Kingdom Force of God and Christ and be saved to the very last minute as all of Daniel 12:11 1290 days is that OPEN SALVATION PERIOD that sees Christ arrival so he can complete the very ministry he began “in person”, but now as Immortal Mighty God under Jehovah God’s command for the sheep sweep of Matthew 25:31-40, Rev14:14-16, Matthew 24:29-31, Rev13:3, and so on.

JW downfall and temporary defection to UN NGO allies just aids the global attention of what shall follow affirmed by the timed Daniel 8:13-14 temple judgment events and exact timing as the first prophecy timed phase to occur on the JW org to prove itself as true and the place JWs are at in prophecy as it begins Revelation 8:2-8 temple judgment frist trumpet blast of its 1Pet4:17 reality as th final cycle STARTS, not “ends”.

The final warning will become globally focused on Jehovah’s witnesses as the temple judgment target as the result of this current GB and UN NGO apostasy as Daniel 8:13-14 manifests on JW proper globally. (Hos1:4-7) It is the final temple judgment cycle to get the final warning ready. (Rev10-11:1-7; Dan7:25-26, Dan12:7; Rev12:14; Rev13:5; Rev11:2-3)

1260 days to complete 2520 days as Revelation 11 2 (witnessings) X 1260 days each, 1914-1918 and the future final warning and open salvation offer.


[QUOTE who=”Mikronboy”]I’m still curious as to what charitable works this so-called charity actually performs.[/QUOTE]

Now why do you have to go and ask an obvious question all have missed? So far.

THAT is the billion-dollar question, LOL. Well done! I will remember that one! It is hilarious!

In reality it is just like the Pharisees and the “rich man” class. It is not just greed in the org for money, but the little power trip that goes with it. Can anyone imagine the smooch smeared GB stepping down and relieving themselves of “duty” to rob the temple?

No, EVERYDAY someone is opening envelopes with the hopes of the jackpot donations, and someone is counting all them beans and someone is keeping track of the number with hand rubbing evil grins.

Even had it not made divine claims bringing God Almighty into the scam as the conman cover story, this would bring a reaping for what they actually have sown.

In time global-jaws will drop when they see what happens to that JW Org Viper Nest. It is actually ominous how bad this is.

Even the GB has now “shifted” “org siege” up to the new “soon, very soon” timing as of that “Yer Deliverance to FEMA is Gatting Near” article. EVEN the GB is warning JWs they are to come under global attack.

And while telling JWs it is for “persecution” and “the end” can come time, it is actually for rampant criminal activity.

JWs [used to be] told the org went down at the end of the whole cycle. Well now the GB says that and that the org goes down “soon, very soon” at the same time. Thus, with that cited Watchtower Lemming Prescription to go right in line with the “obey the crazy org as crazy as it sounds” UNSOUND directive campaign (WT11/15/13), they have now as per 2015 set a “schedule” for JWs to now expect “soon, very soon”:

1. Attack

2. Break in attack

3. Obey the org and go where they tell you to go: Capture Bunkers

And JWs don’t even ask, how in THE HELL do you know this incredible JW org destruction agenda down to the final 3 steps?

Because those GB rats are IN ON IT!

But to anyone who can read Daniel 8:11-13 and Daniel 11:32-35, and see the dirty org and GB, then it is no surprise the enemy “slipped in” to the JW org leadership.

There is no way IN HELL this whole rampant lawlessness, multi-billion dollar scam set up, and this “attack” is all just coincidental.

NO WAY! It is an org takeover operation and they expect JWs to go ANYWHERE they tell them to carpool, saving on FEMA transportation costs. Just jump into the Pioneer MiniVan and head to prison or worse, whenever the GB Pied Piper says to go bag and getting going now! Pay no mind if it sounds “unsound according to human logic”!

Just do it JWs!


[QUOTE who=”jace”]<quoted text>
Of the Watchtower has now thrown out their types how could Russell Rutherford and franz been on point ?

If someone determines your work was bogus

At what point were you ever correct in teaching it to billions of folks calling it THE TRUTH ??? [/QUOTE]

Because this GB is off course, they are the ones to be purged, what was correct retained, and what needs to be updated, updated.


I realize this may “sound crazy” at this time, but when it all starts to unfold I hope you really give this view a chance.

If JWs have been “100% wrong” the whole time, why infiltrate a dirty GB to ruin the place since 1976?

And if JWs are “100% wrong” then none of it matters.

And THAT is what they want people to think!

BUT, If JWs carry a true sovereign warning from the ultimate Kingdom to ever come to rock this planet, then you can BET YOUR LIFE God will “nuke” the GB cell of snakes in global manner very soon, and it will honor the Daniel 8:11-14 events AND TIMING!

Fred Franz did NOT get Daniel 8:11-14 correct. BUT he admitted it when he said on page 214, par. 44, Your Will Be Done book:

“IF we accept this as fulfilling the prophecy…”

Even he knew Daniel 8:11-14 did not work. But, he did not have a rat filled GB to reflect on yet as well in 1958.

When he did have such hindsight by 1992, he was silenced like Russell.

JWs will end up being a GLOBAL SIGNAL when hell comes for the GB from above. (Isa66:6; Dan8:13-14; Zech3:1-5; Rev8:1-8)

[QUOTE who=”jace”]<quoted text>
Of the Watchtower has now thrown out their types how could Russell Rutherford and franz been on point ?

If someone determines your work was bogus

At what point were you ever correct in teaching it to billions of folks calling it THE TRUTH ??? [/QUOTE]

Now UPDATES is a good technique to get JWs back on page one. See, when you “have the whole truth” “for years” people GET LAZY, just like JWs.

Now when you have a couple key detailed areas with great 3rd UN event evidence since 1990 that fits the prophecy better than the Franz guesses in Daniel 8 and 11, you can update it, it is God must do it or JWs are done.

But when God does this as per many prophecies of temple judgment and its final warning aftermath, JWs will be FORCED to crack the books and get off their lazy arses.

Just because some JWs walk neighborhoods, don’t mean they aint soft and lazy, just look around a KH, JUST LOOK at that soft lazy cornfed GB, they are human just like anyone who gets smug and complacent and apathetic as JWs have done to the terminal degree. The GB are the lazy slobs who have cultured these lazy attitudes in JWs.

LAZY, ASLEEP, OFF COURSE! It is the same old story Jace.

But God knows exactly how to wake up LAZY JWs: with judgment and updates! (Matt25:1-13)

We cannot try to say JWs are alert and awake, for they slumber like Rip Van Winkle, except JWs have been asleep for 30 years, not 20 like Rip.

Like anyone else, JWs hate criticism, especially of true facts concerning their “Case of Jonah” slide into negligence; Unlike Jonah they speak, but outdated swill mixed “truth” peppered with hypocritical lawlessness at globally KNOWN scale.

So JWs will be thrown overboard but swallowed by a “fish from God”, but when they hit the water, and get swallowed to that “evening” darkness of Daniel 8:13-14 (Rev9 “abyss”), they will be ready for real “new light” (Isa42-43) when they get thrown up on the shores of what they need to do: FINAL WARNING TO GLOBAL NINEVEH!

Like Jonah, bleached and cleansed JWs will get through to the target God is gathering for Christ arrival after world government completes.

It will make more sense and more easily when the GB is swallowed and not thrown up, but devoured by Destroyer and purged as the modern “man of lawlessness” “in the temple” today, but not for long. (Dan8:13-14)

(Isaiah 48:6-7) You have heard. Behold it all. As for you people, will you not tell [it]? I have made you hear new things from the present time, even THINGS KEPT IN RESERVE, that you have not known. 7 At the present time they must be created, and not from that time, even things that before today you have not heard, that you may not say, ‘Look! I have already known them.’


[QUOTE who=”J”]<quoted text>

I recall seeing Brad and Dunstreet report showing the year before they stopped charging out right for the publications the take Was like $1.2 billion and it dropped to $750 million
The last known report was $954 million

It would be interesting to see what it is today

Do you mean yearly donations?

What makes all religious con jobs effective is using God as the shill. What makes JWs unique is they feel they are giving to and working for God, which in a way they are. But when it comes to the GB Cabal and the bankers the money and real estate valuation projects not to mention equity and derivatives kinds of investment can take advantage of that unique “zeal” in a way that would make a Microsoft of Google jealous due to the “charity” status and the free all-levels labor and consulting “chip ins” from the slave force.

Now do that for 100+ years as the empire slipped from the control of leaders who also believed they were on a “mission from God” which can be argued they were in Russell, Rutherford, Knorr and Franz, to the control on a banker connected re-organization placing the “board” in control and it is easily worth more than even 10 or 20 billion.

If we added up just the org dependent real estate we could get over 5 billion, if we add in real estate that ostensibly supports the org main production it probably gets to 10 billion. That would be the attached-to-the-ground stuff they have. To trade a NYC billion dollar real-estate complex in DUMBO for a 13 million dollar upstate trade-off facility is quite a score.

To say “the end” means they can cut back like crazy, and liquidate like crazy, is great cover to now haul in a few billion before game day when they can crush the org, sell it to JWs as “the end of the world”, when it is just the end of the apostate state of the org, and steal the loot.

THAT is what those Bethel vermin are actually doing, providing a “self-fulfilling prophecy” for the main gravy train grind phase even scheduled “soon, very soon” by Bethel’s own mouth in the most future detailed and phased “interpretation” they ever have given in that “Your Deliverance is Getting Near” article, which by this context takes on an ominous meaning for JWs. (Matt24:15)

Now JWs don’t even question how they “know” all that stuff in that article, they are being “predictively programmed” for that “prophecy” to come true. In that way, the org can be sacked and JWs will think it is “the end”, rather than the end game of the main GB managed con for the globalist King North intel group.

Add it all up, and JW org is about to be moved on and played big time for a multi-billion dollar score.


[QUOTE who=”Pocohontas”]<quoted text>

an image to the beast. king 7 still “in the days of those kings” . Toes are part of the feet and are still iron mixed with miry clay. Your problem, and you do have one, is that you think others do not ‘see’
how ‘US is on a collision course with disaster’, which either in appearance, or in fact, was always intended to be, or to appear the case. IMO, it’s not only US military spending/debt that allows other countries to have this ‘enlightened’ appearance with their social programs -National Health, etc.-
but that individual Americans have worked 2 and 3 jobs, in many cases, chasing american dream.[/QUOTE]

What do you mean do not “see” it? “Others” think America is still “the richest nation on earth”, when it is the most debt and unfunded liability state in the world! Some see this, some do not, the majority are oblivious.

The US system is that 7th King King South global fall coming, it falls not into “the end” and total dysfunction but as planned to “heal” into world government. (Rev13:3; Rev17:8-12). The US must fall into world government 8th King aka King North, which when complete triggers Christ arrival.

Prophecy can provide the view to “see” that much.

But it is still a decade plus away from the JW expected “the end”. (2Thess2:1-2) JW org falls with the US system, at incept. (Dan11:41-43; Dan8:13-14)

It is timed at Daniel 8:14 for the “temple” temple judgment fall portion.


[QUOTE who=”the Mad JW”]Jesus Presence / Coming on Clouds-
Two concepts- and their Foundations


1- The actual meaning of the Greek word (not “coming”)
2- Signs needed
3- Jesus used “clouds” to illustrate unseen divine action
(Matt 26:64- HENCEFORTH)
4- God used “clouds” to illustrate unseen divine action
(Isa 19:1- JEHOVAH)

Coming on the clouds LITERALLY

1- Church Dogma SAYING its literal
2- Faulty translation
3- Nonsense; how tall would Jesus have to be seen by all
on that cloud- and how many times would he have to circle the globe?
Will it appear on Cable TV and cell phones?
Are “those that pierced him” (Revelation) taken out of ‘Hellfire’ and
put on Earth to see the show?

TOUGH choice![/QUOTE]

Sometimes the churches are “half right”, like with the “rapture”. With the so-called rapture is the live gathering of the final anointed ALIVE, “we the living, who are surviving”, that is in the alive state. The churches are “half right”, they teach it as a premature expectation to “escape hatch” the GT.

Now with the seeming contradiction in “coming” with “power and great glory” and “with the clouds” is also for a reason, the churches are “half right.

It means 1, “power and great glory” is just that, cannot be hidden, we are talking final re-arrival of Christ, spiritually speaking we can also “see” it in an invisible presence. But even at the Christ final arrival, they can also manifest in “stealth” mode, as different modes will be needed, one for the sheep sweep which can also be invisible and one for the conquest of the rival sovereign enemy, which they will see the full battle array of Christ Air Force Angels.

It is a global scale invasion tracked by a billion million angels down to microns of the entire surface of this planet, it is comprehensive in affecting all humans and all life, it will protect all spared life when in conquest mode, at the same time, and it is angel completed, so it will respond to the needs of the 1/4 acre they will be landing into to “gitterdone” at easily 10 angels per human on earth, probably more like 100 to 1000, so NOTHING is slipping by. (Rev14:6-8)

Believers will feel the effects of the healing and empowerment of Christ right at arrival:

(Zechariah 12:7-9) . . .“And Jehovah will certainly save the tents of Judah first, to the end that the beauty of the house of David and the beauty of the inhabitants of Jerusalem may not become too great over Judah. 8 In that day Jehovah will be a defense around the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and the one that is stumbling among them must become in that day like David, and the house of David like God, like Jehovah’s angel before them. 9 And it must occur in that day [that] I shall seek to annihilate all the nations that are coming against Jerusalem.

Even “roadkill” and dead things required for post-Armageddon “clean up crew” participation with the “sacrifice of God” “evening meal” will pop up quite alive come that day.

The Beginning is near! The Beginning is near!


Specualtion1: Trump will improve things up to the point of the FAKE “peace and security”, then will be taken out in a “3 birds with one stone” nuclear event that will also begin the next world war cycle with Russia as the FAKE “King North” JW erred-focus, and the GT will also begin all at the same time. It may use New York and the UN building as part of the world war play props.

JWs go into Daniel 8:13-14, it is NOT “the end” but the start of the final “sword stroke” of Revelation 13:3, Rev17:8-12 phase to healing into 8th King/King North World Government.

Or Specualtion2: he may be the expert “loan modifying aid” to help the US foreclosure of the White House Corporate Headquarters process for the globalist taking of America (Dan11:42-43) when America goes into its full CMBS crash and economic meltdown full cycle, which still resolves into world government, same scenario for both outcomes.

Either way, it will probably be seen as a “turning point” event in hindsight in his election overall.


[QUOTE who=”GreatSouthbay4040″]<quoted text> Heh FM,

Good evening! What do you mean by the “agenda of the hidden hand”. Can you elaborate on that a bit? Thanks.

” The new world order” according to the world’s definition of it i’m familiar with. That term had been bandied about since elder President Bush #41 coined it as part of his platform. Even prior to him being elected if i recall correctly.

Again, i reemphasize, change is definitely in the air with this president. Almost ‘foreboding’ kind of feel. But, as you stated. We will have to wait and see. I agree.


New World Order was applied first to the League of Nations:

Brother JF Rutherford Exposes the “New World Order”:

“”The new world means more than the nations realize. It calls for more than THEY can muster. The bald fact is that they do not want it. For that reason the promised new world of lasting peace, which world shall be what all lovers of right want, should not be confused with the so-called “new order” or “new world order” which is today held up by political and religious dictators as a lure to the people. The righteous new world is the very opposite of that selfish and ambitious human scheme. “”

“”Such scheme seeks realization by harsh, brutal might, by the destruction of millions of lives and peaceful homes, by the forcing of the common people contrary to their conscience and personal free choice, and, for shame! by the co-operation of religion to persuade the subjected peoples that such “new order” is according to the will of Almighty God. Set up by such means and ways and for such purposes, that proposed “order” could never be the expression of the will of a God of truth and justice. It shall never endure, even though backed up by religion. Because it stands in the way of the new world and poses as a counterfeit substitute for it, that “order” shall go down, and its allies with it.”” (The New World; 1942, pg. 10)

pg. 126

“”The “new world order” proposed by scheming men is the “abomination of desolation” which aims to stand in the holy place of God’s kingdom. Both the prophet Daniel and Christ Jesus foretold it as marking the approach of the FINAL END and therefore the time to make all haste and flee to The Theocratic Government under Christ Jesus. (Daniel 11: 31; 12:11; Matthew 24:15-21) “”

“”That attempted “new world order” which is pushed forward in opposition to and as a substitute for God’s new world under “The King of kings and Lord of lords” is the final expression of the antichrist. Do not look for the antichrist to be an individual man or beast. It is that “new order” organization. The antichrist is here, and its appearance marks the “last time” for this world.”” (The New World; 1942, pg. 126)

Rutherford said that so long ago, both JWs and Alex Jones forget.

Before that it was a development of the “new world” purpose of the American colonization project.



[QUOTE who=”GreatSouthbay4040″]<quoted text> Most of what you post i don’t find of any relevance. But, in light, of what is happening in conjunction with the quote the poster FM made regarding “new world order”, i find these quotes by brother Rutherford quite interesting.

I knew i heard this before in the past when i was a kid growing up. As well as reading from the publications.

It remains to be seen how durable this alleged alliance between Putin and Trump really is.

Something indeed is shaping up and it will be a surprise.

Thank you for the info.


There will be a final world war “sword stroke” as Revelation 13:3 has the final cycle with the “second witness” of Rev11.

As per Isaiah 41:1 that healing comes before the world judgment and leads to WORLD GOVERNMENT King North as the “healer” of Rev13:3 and Rev17:8-12 paralell.

JWs will be fooled for a little while longer thinking Russia has resumed King North identity, but it has always been the League-UN-to-final-WORLD-GOVERNMENT which is the 8th King too, which all must be where King North converges too, with King Fierce as well.

The final global “healing” comes AFTER world war, to help sell WORLD GOVERNMENT. Trump will continue until the FAKE “peace and security” is issued, at which time he will probably go the same course as JFK, hence his middle name.

The same event is probably what will make world war next irreversible.

Only the Trump part is speculation. The rest is in Rev13, Dan11:41-45, Rev17:8-13, and Isaiah 41.

JWs have been fooled by the GB (Dan11:32a; Dan8:12), they will be removed as per Zech3:1-5. It will be timed, in case you doubt, as per Daniel 8:13-14 EXPLICIT “Temple Judgment, also final cycle.

Of course, Jehovah sends the real prophecy truth out BEFORE this all unfolds for the next 18 years.

JWs will be cleansed and recovered and have to expose the NWO, again:

(Revelation 10:11) 11 And they say to me: “You must prophesy again with regard to peoples and nations and tongues and many kings.”

The full summary of all prophecy is required and what comes out with all these final cycle events:

(Revelation 10:7) . . .the sacred secret of God according to the good news which he declared to his own slaves the prophets is indeed brought to a finish.”

It starts the final warning that gets all that done in a final 1260 days preceding full WORLD GOVERNMENT, which of course, triggers the big Christ arrival finale.

[QUOTE who=”FutureMan”]<quoted text>

Yeh maybe he did know something, but still he himself began promoting a New World Order, the Watchtower version of it that is.


Never. The GB is who slipped in the NWO garbage among JWs. Russell was assassinated and so was Rutherford, they were never “in on it”.

All that stuff you posted I have read, it is all distraction from the MODERN NWO Gangsters in the GB since 1976.

Russell was the Masons worst nightmare come true. His work led to their exposure, Rutherford put that phase’s nail in their coffin. All that Mason stuff after Russell died at his grave was the work of others.

(Although the Pyramid does contain a 1914 registry, as some “New Agers” point out, such as David Wilcock:

So there was something there, but it is from the NWO priests as far as the Pyramid.

Russell’s main focus was Daniel 4, it was understandable the Pyramid 1914 “coincidence” would have been interesting but it was a secondary means of induction to 1914. The 1260 days stuff is independent of Daniel 4.

So, something is going on in regard to 1914 among Illuminati priests and the Bible, that much is now certain, now we know why: It was the 1st step to World Government. (League of Nations; 1914-1919 1st world war cycle terminus)

All the anti-Russell stuff, like some other anti-JW arguments, is just a needless distraction from the mountains of modern GB occult in the JW ministry, such as that UN NGO.

The GB scandal mill is another example of distraction from the more important points of the post 1914 Bible-Students-to-JW ministry in regard to the promise from God and Christ that when complete, they will arrive to destroy world government 8th King.

THAT is what people need to stay focused on.

The final “seven times” is 2520 days, 2 witnesses x 1260 days, 1914-1918 and the final warning to come after JWs are judged in the near future as Daniel 8:13-14 parallel final cycle Revelation 8. (Zech3:1-5)

Many are caught up in the distractions, so a wake up call phase precedes the real thing, again. (Rev10:11; Matt25:1-13)

The GB has accomplished their sheep scattering mission (Dan11:41; Dan8:11-12), but when JW org goes down, it will net more lost sheep temporarily (Zech11: 13:7), but the GB will be done, removed, and exposed as part of the final warning prep and deploy of Rev11:2-3.

You are focusing on a carrot designed to stall and mislead you too.


[QUOTE who=”Tony Price 77″]This is not a debate question, but I would like to ask JWs: Do JWs feel that the required persecution that you receive(2 Timothy 3:12) is adequate… or do you feel that it hasn’t been that bad? And what I mean by that is: Do you feel that your persecution as a Christian is in harmony with what the Bible says about Christian persecution, or do you feel that it hasn’t been as bad as the Bible portrays it?

Also, I’m not including the average things that all people go through even if they aren’t Christians, such as death of friends and family members(unless those death were unusually tragic) or sickness and physical health problems that everyone goes through, but unusual ordeals that you go through because somehow, it’s connected to you being a Jehovah’s Witness. Plus, I am not including JWs’ experience at this forum because JWs can always choose to not post at this form.

Additionally, I would like to see ex-JWs viewpoint on this topic of personal ordeals and persecution connected to when you were Jehovah’s Witnesses.

Thank you. [/QUOTE]

IT’S been a cakewalk. But it is not over yet. The worse thing is being snubbed and kicked out by JWs, but that is really laughable after the fact, not “persecution” really, just common jerks with little faith. (John7:24)

But Rev3:10 is for the future, so I expect things will change in time. On the JW front, the 1914-1950 group did endure real persecution, but modern JWs are as soft as a daisy, we are required to go through a judgment which will change that context dramatically. (Dan8:13-14)

It is just the “calm before the storm”. The worst part of the storm will pass in around 6 years, 7 years of a GT and world war development. Then “world peace” under world government in say more than 15 years from now.

After world government completes ALL MANKIND will end up being “persecuted”, that is the “great tribulation” meanign of Matt24:21-22. The GT phase we are entering is the “tribulation of those days” of Matthew 24:29-31, which “heals” into world government, so there is a break and end of the “tribulation of those days”.

World Government has more potential of “depopulation” and danger than the final world war that precedes it. That is how the GT has a finale period DURING “a freedom from care” which is the world peace and security period of complete world government. (Dan8:25; 1Thess5:1-3)

As time goes by, this will make more sense and become part of the JW cleansed ministry, so you will get a recap as Rev10:5-11, after Daniel 8:13-14 comes on the modern JW apostasy next. It is the main timed prophecy to start the final cycle as parallel Rev8.


[QUOTE who=”GreatSouthbay4040″]<quoted text> Jehovah will never allow his creation to be destroyed. Ever. He said it right in the bible. That is why I don’t worry about nuclear weapons destroying the earth for it will never happen.

Now….Those weapons do indeed have the power to wipe out the earth. But, it’s simply saberattling. Part of the show of force…..And Who is the ruler of the earth? We will never have true peace here as long as this world is under Satan’s control.

Now…..Conventional weapons?…Hmmmm.. They have power and we see it practically on a ‘daily’ basis.

What does Jehovah say about melting all the weapons? That’s why i am pretty confident that the 2nd amendment will not be completely taken down as the NRA try to scare segments of the population into believing.

In the end. It is spoken of as being quite violent and Jehovah may very well maneuver people to turn against one another at the latter part of the Great tribulation when they make the final assault against his people.

It’s been done before throughout the bible.

Jehovah doesn’t change.


The weapons system is now used for sovereign war between national powers. (Matt24:6) But what happens when the national powers are vanquished with 7thKing/King South by the 8th King/King North WORLD GOVERNMENT?

Well, for starters, there will be then be “NO wars and reports of wars” for nations will have given all “power and authority” to the Scarlet Wildbeast, 8th King, King North, King Fierce. (Rev17:8-13)

THAT is the period Jesus talked about in the inversion of Matthew24:6, Luke21:9, it is the WORLD PEACE “and security” period of complete WORLD GOVERNMENT , also parallel “freedom from care” when all the nations fall under King 8 power BEFORE, which leads to, the arrival of Christ. (1Thess5:1-3; Dan8:25; Matt24:29-31)

The weapons system will no longer be available for [nation based] “wars and reports of wars” for there will be no more national sovereigns, they will be under 8th King “power and authority” as per Rev17:8-13.

The global weapons system can transition into its final world governemnt function. (Joel3:9-12)

THEN is when the Daniel 8:25 “bring many to ruin” DURING “a freedom from care” of world peace is brought about, parallel Daniel 11:44-45. THEN the global military and tech system will be in 100% 8th King control, and then is when this climax extinction mode is “cut short” by God and Christ:

(Matthew 24:22) . . .In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short.

And that is why Jesus distinguished between the overall “Great Tribulation” and its “sword stroke” phase he termed the “tribulation of those days” which resolves into 8th King world peace first (1Thess5:1-3), then develops into that extinction attempt period Christ spoke of in Matthew 24:22.

The weapons system final function is for 8th King depopulation attempt, and THAT is what is cut short and that is why Christ MUST arrive into that period or as he said “NO FLESH” not one living thing on this planet “would be saved” for God is purposing to save also beasts, not just man:

(Psalm 36:6-7) . . .Your righteousness is like mountains of God; Your judicial decision is a vast watery deep. Man and beast you save, O Jehovah.  7 How precious your loving-kindness is, O God! And in the shadow of your wings the sons of men themselves take refuge.

For Satan, the weapons monopoly under his 8th King Scarlet Wildebast complete WORLD GOVERNMENT system will be for an attempt to destroy all life on earth, including humans who aided him.

Prophecy has much more detail than King North in Bethel will elaborate on, so they will be removed soon. (Dan8:11-12; Dan11:32a; Dan8:13-14; Zech3:1-5; Rev8; Isa66:6)


[QUOTE who=”GreatSouthbay4040″]<quoted text> Do you know that Trump just requested national security clearance for all his adult kids? They were not elected to office nor are they part of the cabinet. This is unprecedented. We are not an autocracy with one rling family. This guy is dangerous. Im telling you what im seeing is not good.

Gotta go folks….Gn


It is likely they may use the Trump “upswing” for the FAKE “peace and security” that precedes the final sword stroke cycle (Rev13:3) of “tribulation of those days” which resolves into the WORLD PEACE and security (1Thess5:1-3; Dan8:25) of the complete 8th King WORLD GOVERNMENT STATEMENT upon completion in over 15 years yet.

Trump will probably go the route of JFK and the event will spark world war, they will blame someone else. But that is speculation.

What is not speculation is the “world peace” must come with world government complete (Dan8:25), not next year, that is a fake if they use it, to make people believe in error “the end” has arrived, but it is all 2Thess2:1-2 premature delusion which marks the misled context of all Christians, Christendom and JWs as well, in the incept of the final cycle we are at.

In fact, the 15 years+ timing is also not speculation before world government can come Daniel 8:13-14 timing (3 or 6 years) and Revelation 11:2-3 (1260 days) timing must all transpire FIRST, it leads to world government which triggers Christ arrival (Rev13:5-7).

It merely REPEATS the same master pattern as in 1914-1918, but this time to COMPLETE WORLD GOVERNMENT, not just the League of Nations 1st step of 4 to world government***.

There MUST be 4 UN events in prophecy, UN1-2-3-4(world government), 1919, 1945, 1990 and the future world government convergence of image and Scarlet Wild beast 8th King/King North finale:

***Four 8th King UN Cycles to World Government – 1919-Future

UN 1. 1919 – Rev13:11-15 (Dan12:11 first fulfillment) as League of Nations after WW1;

A. International Bible Students Association (IBSA) explained as prophecy;

UN 2. 1945 – Rev17:8-11 as United Nations after WW2;

A. Jehovah’s Witnesses (JW) explained as prophecy;

Unknown and unstated by UN NGO allied Bethel and Jehovah’s witnesses:

UN 3. 1990 – Daniel 11:31b as United Nations “New World Order” Initiative after WW3 (Cold War) (Dan11:29);

A. Covered up by Bethel as UN NGO, not explained as prophecy by any religious group;

[We are Here…]

UN 4. Future – Daniel 11:45; Daniel 8:25; (Daniel 12:11 last fulfillment) as United Nations and World Government after 4th world tribulation/war cycle to come.

A. Not currently explained by Bethel in lieu of a premature “end of the world” deception. (2Thess2:1-2)

B. To be explained after the JW temple judgment desolation, purification and removal of lawless Bethel engineered subversion (2Thess2:1-4; Dan11:30-31; Dan8:11-13);


Rather than tell JWs about the 1990 3rd UN event prophecy, Bethel joined it as UN NGO, that is why JWs do not know this yet. This is how we know the GB are the final apostasy leaders as per Daniel 11:32a.

Trump will be used for the purpose of King North Globalist system world government development final cycle inception no matter how they utilize him.


[QUOTE who=”Tony Price 77″]<quoted text>

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Thank you for having the courage to reply in this thread, BetheljudgmentDan8-14soon. Especially since most everyone seems to be scared shirtless to post in this thread.

But if I may ask, what do you believe that God is about to do to completion?

Also, do you believe that one day there will be an earthly paradise? And if so, do you believe that it will be like Jehovah’s Witnesses say that it will be like? And if Jehovah’s Witnesses aren’t going to be the ones who live in it… who will?


Your welcome; many JWs do not know what they want, that may be why not much reply, they are far from timid you know. But then again, many people do not know what they want either, in reality; they may know what they are addicted to, but not REALLY what it is they NEED and “want”.

ANYONE can live there, just can’t be predatory, destructive or hurtful. BEYOND what JWs speak about shall it be, but they get the overall “paradise” gist and so do many others, it is the context of the “live forever” DREAM OF ALL MANKIND! from way back.

Well if you were God Almighty and can do beyond “anything” what would you turn Earth into? The OPPOSITE of what is going on now is what most people would do, that is why most people can live there, most people have paradise in them already, they just need to be planted (so to speak) in its soil, ALIVE.

The rest will come naturally, it is what human is made for, and it for human. (Angels can visit even in extended time frames, and enjoy it too, but it is a human home, just an angel garden not “home” per se.)

God’s will is what is brought to completion (Matt6:10; Rev21-22;Ps133; The WHOLE Bible), meaning the 1000 year reign of Christ as the first portion of eternity under “God’s will done on earth, AS IN heaven”.

That means a virtually “seamless” paradise system of Heaven+Earth to eventually span this whole universe, this is just the first step into it.

There is not enough disk space in Topix servers to cover in outline form what will be done in the 1000 year reign, 1000 years long, but one trillion years high and just as wide.

A very very very “wild” human Imagination can reveal about .01% of what is coming, if that. But JWs have it right: lots of fun fun fun! Plenty of friendly animals! LIVE FOREVER AS SUCH! The actual perfect WORSHIP of God who REQUIRES lots of fun. REQUIRED, hence why some people can’t hack it, too miserable even in the best of circumstances.


LIVE forever and ever.

[QUOTE who=”LinCalier”]<quoted text>

Huh?????? [/QUOTE]

There is a Babylon symbol for “head of gold” globalism system, and the “great” Babylon the “great” of the religious harlot. For example, Daniel 2,4 and Isaiah 14 and Habakkuk cannot apply to the Babylon the Great, it applies to zenith globalist “Babylon”.

That is why Babylon “the Great” is added for the religious system when specific. When reading Babylon prophecy you have to use the context to see if it applies to the end of religion, or the globalist system deposition, etc.

Both systems have a “kingdom”, but the harlot’s pimp is the Babylon masculine system, she “has a kingdom over the kings of the earth”, but is a harlot not the real political guide. She is “free loading” on the wildbeast, not really “sterrign its course” as Bethel tries to imply. No drunken woman is going to control a wildbeast like that one, she’d be topped by a simple Bobcat.

The free loader is tossed due to religious system parasitism (to take back the loot, 500 trillion worth) and that God’s judgment must fulfill. (Rev18:8)

The harlot is a safe store for about half a quadrillion in global hard assets. Like an escort in society, the harlot is very secretive with her money and very protective and tight waddish, so the globalist “Babylon” can know she will watch their eventual wealth until they come to take it under complete world government and after she does her final escort job of the people to 666 world government, then she will be deposed.

Contrary to apostate Bethel, a new girl on the UN street, BTG goes down dead last, they, JW org, are who actually go down first as the GB teaches now since 2015, but in a low key manner to support the “obey the org as crazy as it sounds” JW Org Pied Piper directives to herd JWs like lemmings to prisons and FEMA when the “big event” that starts world war hits in the future.

JWs thinking it is “the end” (2Thess2:1-2), premature and in error, makes them more lemming-like controllable as the Babylon globalist plan is to capture them, just like oldschool Babylon did to God’s people, and God has to allow some of it, but not all as per Hosea 1:4-7 and Isaiah 49. God has to allow it because Bethel went back to Babylon by their own UN NGO volition.


[quote=’Vixy’ pid=’96979′ dateline=’1478953783′]
Saw that and was already worrying about TPTB taking Trump out. I am really worried they will! If  hes  not in their game they’ll fix that since he can cause them ALOT of damage and set NWO back decades if not even a  millenium ! 
You  christian  believers on here reading this, PLEASE help me pray for Trump and help him be secure! Even if you don’t like him and maybe don’t even want him as a  polititian , please pray! He’s a fellow man like you and me and I feel he’s not safe.
IF they do this, it will be a multi-purpose event, like JFK. But the one with Trump would be their “Trump” card, probably with a nuclear situation blamed on the “usual suspect” and will probably trigger the world war they need for the “problem” cycle to resolve into world government.
That Trump shares John Kennedy’s first name a middle name may be prophetic. Even if unwillingly, JFK aided the globalist transition of that time, as a Trump “ground zero” would also do, and with much accelerant.
As they let him exist, as both Kennedy and Lincoln hung around for like 3 years prior to  beign  fired, he will probably give the place hope, create an upswing with economy and Russia, and they can use that for the FAKE “peace and security” to start getting church folk and JWs ready for “the end” hoax that comes with this final cycle to bag religious talk with doomsday talk instead.
That is the dark cloud behind the Trump apparent hopefulness as far as reform. We will have to wait and see, I think they will fire  him to , so to speak, in time. But because he came in with a known agenda, it may take less than 3 years as JFK and Lincoln sort of “woke up” while in office adding that first year and a half to their allowed existence.


[QUOTE who=”little lamb”]<quoted text>

The fact that new Jerusalem , comes down out of HEAVEN dressed as a bride is interesting

Because what went up , the virgins that were ready with their lamps that when they heard the bridegrooms voice , and had oil were taken , while the foolish virgins had to go and buy oil missed out is interesting …

Just so you know that “door” that closes in the ten virgins parable and prophecy parallel is the final sealing of Matthew 22:1-14 final call when it completes as part of the final “second witness” warning which is its zenith “light” parallel. The five discreet vrigins “re-light up” after the coming wake up call takes a few years to unfold to “morning” light and after of Daniel 8:14,26, same as Rev9 abyss opened to “light” of post temple judgemnt desoaltion “smoke” the whole world will see as they are shaken awake too. (Hag2:7) with four plagues parallel to four trumpets of temple judgment.

The five discreet virgins need more oil to provide more global light, first, and that arrival of Christ is not the system deposition of the 8th King, but of the real final sealing.

Because there is a “five foolish virgin” DEPLETION and lack of oil being “stored”, there has to be a final anointing process to be completed prior to final sealing which is then dependent on final “light up” warning period.

The “bride” that comes from the “nuptial chamber” is former anointed in spirit form readying the full completion of the “bride”:

(Joel 2:15-16) . . .“Blow a horn in Zion, O men. Sanctify a time of fasting. Call together a solemn assembly. 16 Gather [the] people together. Sanctify a congregation. Collect [the] old men together. Gather children and those sucking the breasts together. Let [the] bridegroom go forth from his interior room, and [the] bride from her nuptial chamber.

The “horn” is the “seven trumpets” leading to late 6th trumpet Christ arrival for finality. The virgins in Matthew 25:1-13 are taken into the final sealing with the temple visit period that precedes the end as detailed in all of Joel as now applicable to the Rev8-11 whole final warning cycle of some final years preceding 8th King World Government which is the final prophecy required “trigger” event of the Christ arrival for final sheep sweep and conquest, well forewarned by that time which leads to the true final sealing of Rev7:1-9, the Rev14 parallel.

I say this because foolish virgins will be displaying 2Thess2:1-2 symptoms by expecting Christ too soon and why Christ stressed Matthew 24:13 before the full Matthe24:14 “good news” completion detailed in the divine directive of the final warning commission, yet to come for “five discreet virgins” and more coming in, as Revelation 10:5-8.

What is coming is the “hour of test” not the Christ arrival but “to the temple” for the required cleansing as timed in Daniel 8:13-14 as the Rev8 parallel of this judgment to determine fool and discreet anointed for final mission call to the rest to come in as per matthew22:1-14 with the downing of the apostate Bethel “City of Murderers” and the full revelation of the GB “man of lawlessness” signal for this final phase as they are extricated to global exposure in the first four trumpet events.


(Isaiah 7:9) . . .And the head of Ephraim is Samaria, and the head of Samaria is the son of Remali′ah. Unless YOU people have faith, YOU will in that case not be of long duration.”’”

Isaiah 28 and 66:6 is to come on Apostate UN NGO Bethel as per Matthew24:15.


[QUOTE who=”GreatSouthbay4040″]<quoted text> I will tell you one thing…You are definitely a unique character. On the rare ocassions when i do bother to glimpse through your posts. If im not baffled, puzzling or lightly chuckling. I shake my head in amazement.

May i ask you…..Knowing the JW subculture. If you were not blind. Did you really expect to be appointed an M.S wearing sunglasses to the hall?……Seriously….

True on your point about coomunities on the lower ladder socio-economics being the most fruitful for JW’s to preach in. Not always the case. But, most of the time. It is true.



Well that was in my younger no-sunglasses years about the MS stuff, I felt it was too soon is my main reason, they thought more of me than I did, LOL. They were the ones wanting the MS stuff, not I.

It was because I had a lot of Bible comprehension about the “first witness” truths really refined by the Fred Franz era, that’s why they assumed I was MS material. None of the “org” stuff ever appealed to me, I am more “background” in nature.

I do not say JWs are “all wrong”, I am specific about 3rd UN prophecy cover up of 1990 and UN NGO, and had they let Fred Franz live he would have seen everything said here, in the first month, and he did see it, but was silenced that King North has to be the globalism system development to world government.

Now it is a “no brainer” and how JWs are on a decoy along with that 3rd UN cover up of 1990.

Fred Franz only has a interpretive glitch in Daniel 8 and 11, and he even said he doubted Daniel 8:13-14. The problem was trying to “interpret” prophecy that actually had NOT fulfilled yet. It is understandable to want to wrap it all up, but more had to happen in KN globalist development and the apostasy that leads to Daniel 8:13-14 timed temple judgment of the future.

What it all boils down to is permitted error and lawlessness that will get the required global attention for the final “smooth out” of the whole thing as one final warning announcement manifests in time, minus, by then, the downed GB override since 1944-1976.

Kingdom Halls are too bright, but by then I had gotten my niche as a “between the cracks” who knows what, which is what I wanted anyways. But with 2012, the UN NGO and these 3rd UN King North problems just covered, I just can’t show up in good conscience (Matt24:15) and no way am I damage controlling a failed experiment at the door when the GB “board” is the ONLY problem negatively affecting JWs, and they are new, and experimental and now we know it is a fail.

Once they are gone (Zech3:1-5) and exposed, JWs will recover to the final warning requirement to “prophesy AGAIN”:

(Revelation 10:11) . . .And they say to me: “You must prophesy AGAIN with regard to peoples and nations and tongues and many kings.”

NEVER does God put his hand to something and not finish, so Jehovah will NOT give up on Jehovah’s witnesses in spite of the circumstances (which are actually signal prophecy), so I won’t either, in time we have to face the music of trusting men in a GB, and we need to expose them as a fail and where, when, how and why it all happened. (Dan11:30-35; Dan8:11-14)


But all the infamy will get the global attention for the full disclosure from the very source of the reproach today which is foremostly JWs. The GB will be seen as a grave blasphemous disaster once the wine wears off.

They were in since 1944 as a term, and they knew how to capitalize on Fred Franz “anonymous” work to use for their own credibility which is merely a misperception, only Ray Franz was of Fred Franz Bible knowledge caliber, the GB can go soon, they are NOT who developed the Russell to Fred Franz era stuff.

Ray Franz was onto something with a very simple solution: 607-527 was to apply to babylon and Neb dynasty “seven times” initial allowance as exactly 70 years from Neb crown prince-to-king period, 605-607.

They extricated Ray Franz so they could pull off 1990 with no natural gifted successor to Fred Franz “torch”. Because there was no Ray Franz to assume the torch, the King North marker Cold War uniqueness as noted in Daniel 11:29. And that Daniel 11:30-31 3rd UN presentation, fell totally off the radar as instead “THEY will certainly place the disgusting thing” (Dan11:31b) transpired in that 3rd UN presentation of post-Cold War 1990.

And part of that “THEY WILL…” is the apostate GB as the apostasy of Daniel 11:32a and their UN NGO participation in that 3rd UN presentation while concealign it is prophecy, “throwing truth to the earth” as per Daniel 8:12b, as JWs are Daniel 8:12a “gradually given over” to the enemy system subversion all this really is.


The Bethel “time machine” is entered at 607 BCE, because everything before it has that 20 year shift required to “transport” the destruction of Jerusalem to 607 BCE.

Most people cannot take the time to investigate the pre and post 607 BCE dating, but everything had to “shift” along with Bethel’s new space-time continuum.

Thus all dates prior to 537 BCE as a generic return to Einstein space time reality, in the JW time machine, also have to deal with that “20 year” “ripple effect” all the way back to their creation of Adam dating which also slid from point Chaos of the 607 BCE “destination” date for the time machine.

But one was to look at Albright and other chronologies to see in the Bethel “chronology” that is exactly what occurs in JWs dates as a result of the time travel event of shifting the 586 BCE event to 607 BCE, everything else pre WTBTS manufactured “Jerusalem Destruction” also shifts 20 years int the then new Bethel “fabric of time” which required a 20 year handkerchief to be sown in to try to make 607 work.

But 607 BCE does work on the King Neb kingship, and Babylons exact 70 year v”seven time” allowance which did in fact end in 539 BCE, but had to be marked by Cyrus 537 BCE event, just as 607 BCE Neb “Crown-Prince” slighly precedes 607, but in this tiem scale it is easier to massage two years variance than 20.

Thus 607-1914 is still good, Bethel has a “space and time” anomaly, their problem is a date and EVENT correlation, not 607 itself which had to be a “gentile time” anyways, and Babylon sure fits the “gentile” bill and actually affirmable timing.

In the meantime, just make that “20 year” adjustment to JW timings before 537 BCE and they all fall into the general Albright zone of doable variance. So, the ship can be recovered once the incalcitrant and rogue GB is removed as they will be in time.


[QUOTE who=”1984 Orwell “]What does an American religious far right government, aka a Trump theocracy mean for freedom of religion ?
It makes the WTS’s bunker videos a very possible soon reality ![/QUOTE]

Not yet for the big groups. JW org is going into takeover, and so may a few other “targets” but they will be small to aid the end of the world hoax it really is.

The GB can’t prophesy themselves out of a paper bag, so what they “see” in JW org desolation is from the powers that will bring that about as who is the GB puppet master system of Daniel 11:32a.

THAT is why the GB knows JW org is going down “soon,very soon” as they announced in 2015, but JWs did not seem to notice the “new light” that statement actually is, and the GB doe snot plan to spell it out in such a “new light” term, but that is what it would be when we consider JWs [used to be] told they went down last.

Not anymore, and if Bethel even agrees JW org is “going down soon, very soon”, then you can also bet they know this because it is is going down by Caesar hand, allowed and required by God as Dan8:13-14, rev8, Zech3:1-5.

It won’t be “persecution” it will be prosecution for criminal racketeering, etc. (1Pet4:15-17)


[QUOTE who=”FutureMan”]<quoted text>

The Bible was suitable for people 1400 years ago, but not for today.

It is not too much, as many people today can handle this knowledge.

As for the 666 prep work?

Hmmm, isn’t the Bible comprised of only “66” books? Who was it that selected only 66 books?

Hmmm, I wonder who? Oh yes I know, those unholy Bishops did.


I mean promoting ideas that human sovereignty will be a success. It won’t. This work is not from God but from the other source is what it boils down to and it has the proper appeal to influence its intended psychological prey. Urantia is pretty explicit they promote human sovereign will as the solution, not God’s Kingdom which is just the same cover-banter the Papacy has used for years whilst trying to establish their own mundane tyranny, which also failed in its course.

I just note the areas of Urantia where they promote “new world order” ideas in other terms. Things do not have an expiration date when they work, religions are what are outdated but real solutions last the test of time. The age of the Bible does not all of a sudden make the words of Christ invalid, he is still the basic true-genius from God that he always has been from the beginning, that will never change even a billion years from now. People’s perceptions are what are morphed by pop-myths that take root for a while, Urantia is just a mental hula hoop for wandering sheep. Slowly people’s faith is eroded by being placed into other things, such as what happened to JWs, but Urantia is the same brand of fraud as the GB. Just a different prey in the Devil’s mind is all that is different.

I really do not know how this bad Star Trek book got so popular because there is nothing really new in it other than prose any Hollywood writer could invent, albeit with probably a bit more imagination, but maybe they will make it into a movie too, who knows. It has the basic fraud red flags.


[QUOTE who=”FutureMan”]<quoted text>

The Bible was suitable for people 1400 years ago, but not for today.

It is not too much, as many people today can handle this knowledge.

As for the 666 prep work?

Hmmm, isn’t the Bible comprised of only “66” books? Who was it that selected only 66 books?

Hmmm, I wonder who? Oh yes I know, those unholy Bishops did.


Well that is a generality, the 1st century Christianity did indeed merge into the Catholic system, which at incept was not much different than today’s JWs until the core subversion unit, in that case the Papacy, started to have its intended effect. Same thing happened to the JW system, much smaller and faster, but a GB Papacy was the main corrupting agency.

So we can’t just lump sum the Catholic Christians as far as compilation of the Bible, because God has used the system for a while to spread the word, and he uses many systems in this long history, but the core document had to be controlled by God.

The Bible boils down to the warning and promise of the total replacement of Earth’s ruling power structure from top spirit world to bottom human slaves and the powers that be never have liked being told there are better things than them.

THAT is the main problem they have with the message of Jesus Christ and it was the core problem the Pharisee puppets had as well before they nearly exterminated their own people to a man had Hitler been Caesar rather than the ones who decided to spare a few Jews. The Pharisees did not save their people, outsiders did for God, the Pharisees brought the Jews to a brink of extinction far closer to the abyss than even Hitler.

Had the Romans taken another mindset, there would be no nation of Israel today. And same with Nebuchadnezzar, both him and the Romans tried very hard to also reason with the Jewish leaders to simply fully surrender before destruction was necessary. Men like the Pharisees are who chose the destruction, near total extermination of their whole Jewish world, rather than become humble and admit total defeat before it had to turn to desolation.

When your leaders are your worst enemy, your “enemies” ending up becoming your best friends in the long run, even Caesar had to have mercy on the situation and preserve a few Jews, he was wise enough to know their leaders are who nearly destroyed them, and he became their savior from God, just like they prophesied he would be, of course under very unfavorable conditions of that blood indeed coming on that city.


Even today’s Jews still cannot appreciate how fully God destroyed that apostate system because the same enemies always end up slithering into the leadership. The GB will do the same to JWs. Instead of admittign error, fixing it and paying for it, they will spit and piss on the ARC and other Caesar forces now gathering outside the JW “city”. The GB will make it as hard as possible on pretty much mostly innocent JWs, just like the Pharisees, they will dig in like rotten badgers of leprosy and make people hate them and JWs for their stubbornness when the Bethel criminal carnival finally unwinds and comes to a head on them.

The hope of the Viper GB Pharisees is to encourage the withdrawal of all all possible mercy and aid for what will become JW refugees named Jonah JW. But as per rev12:14, THE WORLD SYSTEM wiull end up helping save some JWs and will ebcome their reluctant “best friend”, because like the Romans if JW cannot be their own friend, someone has to do it, and the good that is left in the world, and there is some in there, will find the underdog to have mercy on, because it was the GB, not really JWs worthy of total accusation.

God will use the wold to save JW arse from the Zechariah 3:2 fire. Same fire as Rev8:3-8, same fire as Malachi 3:1-5. Isaiah called it the “furnace of affliction” and the GB is who stoke it for JWs, but God can use even negatives for his purpose in positive aftermath. And he will. (Dan8:14; Zech3:4-5)

JWs will “get up” (Rev11:1; Zech4:1) and gitterdone in the end, the “second witness” final warning will come from their mouths in the end, albeit in sackcloth as black a night.


[QUOTE who=”FutureMan”]<quoted text>.

My friend even the prophet Daniel wrote how the sovereignty of earth would be handed over to the “sons of the Kingdom” so what are you talking about?

As for the book being of a “star trek” type you do not know what you are talking about here.

But the writings did exist way before Gene Roddenberry ever conceived of the “star trek” universe.

From my perspective then, you clearly have not even read the book yourself, but only read about it from what other fundamental Christians say about it. Fair enough then.

Please read the book yourself from cover to cover before you make a clear judgement of it.

Unless of course you are afraid that the “demons” will come and get you if you do.


“Fundamentalist Christians” are also being groomed for “world government”, so they do not point out what Urantia section 134:5.12 (1489.3) has to say, because they are already infiltrated and cannot understand the difference between God’s Kingdom and the wildbeast.

And neither can Urantia. That is how I know its source is the same as the Christendom corporate press. JWs have a version now too.

When Christians start to assimilate control devices (like the GB) and writings that prepare them fro wildbeast rule, then it is no accident in comprehensive epidemic infections like these.

Stumbled JWs are being groomed for this transition as well, to fall for the wildbeast in the period of a global recovery hope after the coming world war when they will continue to follow the path of least resistance that Satan has greased up for them to their end IF they stay on that course.

God will trash and recover the JW ministry to provide a clear final warning which will summarize everything in final form when that time comes about a decade or so from now, about 7 years after JW org downfall if Daniel 8:13-14 is 2300 days, sooner if it is only 1150 as can also be calculated from its rather cryptic timing.

You are in a good position because you can recognize the difference between God’s Kingdom and wildbeast, and you know the problems in JWs are not solely of their own origin. (Dan11:32a; Dan8:11-12; Zech3:1; 2Thess2:9) Because it will also be simple enough for ANYONE to be saved and an open salvation appeal which climaxes into an angel joined final ministerial wrap up by Christ himself (Matt10:23; Rev14:6-8) is the greatly positive message priority inspite of the doomsday from God coming for the wildbeast system of world government.

OPEN SALVATION ASSURANCE AND GUARANTEE is the most positive wrapper the final warnign can be put in, after the elitist JW attitudes and current apostate system are crushed, to make it know an open minded and humiliated “sackcloth” ensconced “messenger” group is who are delivering that message, and if they can make it, meaning Jehovah’s witnesses, a spiritually vile group of judgmental miscreants disciplined for such GB aided attitudes, then ANYONE can be saved.

God is done with the high and mighty JW atitude and will prove it by crushing the JW org and the GB and exposign it all in one whole to fulfill Daniel 8:13-14, and recover among them as well, and it WILL get through to the “last hour” global-converts, backed by angels of Christ with the guarantee of Rev14:6-8. Even non-Christians at the right place at the right time with the “circumcision” granted by being in obedience to the law of love, knowing or unknowingly, will also be spared. (Rom2)

BIG SALVATION like no religion has properly preached since the first century. By now the destruction of the rval should be common sense. It will be covered, but it is NOT the main priority of the final warning “second witness”. What is valid in JW truth will be kept, what is not will be purged by God, this really is the “delay no longer” final sumamry coming and using JW org downfall to garner the proper pre-final-warning global attention. JW Org going down will be featured on CNN, so it will get that needed attention first. Of course more than CNN will help announce the JW org generic downfall news. (1Pet4:17) Later, it will be connected to the prophecy of Daniel 8:13-14 that it is, and its timing is the verification for any doubters, like JWs.


[QUOTE who=”Analytical7″]<quoted text>
Im glad now that you have acknowledged that we just cant say because there is no proof..

Another claim opposers make is the org is going broke same like you say they going to close down

There is proof from Orbis like data. But corporate financial data and business system intelligence is not a “freeware” program type, but it does exist and JW Org can be investigated by these means which CIA, FBI and SEC and the global like have custom programs based on this application type. But you are talking 700 a year minimum kinds of expenses for these specialized software products and services. It is what expert investment professionals use and there is more than one product and rationale to data gathering and reporting.

That is how they know LDS and JWs are at about the same net worth: 30 BILLION.

And if you do research religious wealth you will find the little “harlot” is very secretive and insulated by the pimp “powers that be”, but she does have her own bank account and it is HUGE because it is a protected wealth system to be pillaged AFTER world government is complete and functioning, as the Bible states.

There is 500 TRILLION stored in global religions pretty much “off the record” as far as information you can easily find on religious wealth, for there is none available at this time, it is rare to find this kind of research. This is because the “harlot” is a sideline wealth stroe whose resources will aid the “sword stroke got healed” of this final world war coming, and the “let the nations REGAIN power” of that healing of Isa41:1 when world government “Scarlet Wild beast” arises for the final time from this final wworld war abyss as per Rev17:8-18.

At that time the little ho’s “bank account” and hard assets all over the world will be “devoured”, “eat up her fleshy parts” to aid the global recovery as the context by which the final 666 is made as appealing as possible in that final wildbeast presentation.

That is why Jesus said you are “going to hear of wars and reports of wars”, do not be terrified “the end does not come” at that time.

Nope. The end comes “during a freedom from care” which is that global recovery under world government emergence in complete form and its “we have WORLD PEACE” and security mantra, and it comes in a time of immense global hope aided by huge global recovery starting, you know, to aid the reception of the wildbeast (Rev13:3, Rev17:8) and its 666 (Rev13:15-18)

JWs do not get this yet, because “burning mountain” annex real King North globalists got into JWs by means of the GB orifice of subversion. (Dan11:32a; Dan8:12)


[QUOTE who=”Tony Price 77″]<quoted text>

Look… if you haven’t noticed by now, I am a skeptic. Therefore, I hate to burst your bubble, but I ain’t got no dog in this race as far as who thinks this doctrine and scripture means this… or thinks this doctrine or scripture means that.

Also, the only reason why I do take some interest in what scripture says is to show the contradictions in scriptures… and/or to show that Jehovah’s Witnesses do not have all of the ‘true’ interpretations like they think they do.

Therefore, with all of the threads and posts that I go through in this forum, I don’t have time to let one poster’s verbose posts monopolize my time.



Now that we can revisit this under better conditions, all have a dog in the race: OURSELVES: OUR LIFE.

Now you bring up a good point “Jehovah’s Witnesses do not have all of the ‘true’ interpretations like they think they do”, which is true. But they have some correct. They have most of the framework and continuum (Dan2,7,8,11,Rev13,17) that furnishes the historic indications that lead to the disruption of the current power system to deposition by God’s Kingdom whose tracking goes back to Genesis 70 nations and whose terminus is at: WORLD GOVERNMENT. (Dan11:44-45; Dan8:25; Rev17:8-13; Rev13:3,15-18)

By that events leading to the time of world government COMPLETE, you too can catch on and admit defeat in your project, but you were half right in that there are some KEY ERRORS in Jehovah’s witnesses and the stagnant leadership will NOT fix a thing (Dan8:12b), in spite of the last 30 years of clear globalist development prophecy evidence leading to world government, such as UN3, 1990.

Which helps us understand how truthful overall prophecy has now been utilized to actually mislead JWs with the force of truth, but disarranged to meet another goal now: Mislead JWs, take over the JW org, capture JWs, and thus silence the ministry prematurely.

They way it happened is this.

It is understandable in the days of Fred Franz from youth to 50s and 60s to attempt to explain the whole prophecy, since some of it had become obvious, the rest must also “fit” somehow into histories that match. So, the truthful framework then was completed in Daniel’s prophecy. But it was not “truthful”, it turns out.

In reality, though being correct on general sovereign meanings, certain things that have fulfilled since 1976, back in 1958 were “retrofitted” to things that were not the meaning of the key Daniel 8:11-14 and Daniel 11:27-45 prophecy meaning. Fred tried to interpret prophecy that had NOT fulfilled yet fully, nor was USSR a “King North” contender, though it appeared they had it correct, globalist system development to 3rd United Nations presentation of 1990 IDd the real King North as that globalist system, or “new world order” (King North) system eventual conqueror of “old world order” King South, 7th King, national systems.

In addition, the apostasy and its objective of the “Governing Body” override was not fully visible yet, though the power trip stunt they pulled in 1976 was strong evidence of the “lifting themselves over everyone” of the modern “man of lawlessness” (2Thess2:1-12) “IN the temple of the God”, it was hard to accept as such because who would have thought JWs already went bad by 1944 “gradually given over” by 1976? (Dan8:12)

Plus, the very King North implanted GB developed enemy “IN the temple” IN the JW leadership (Dan11:32a; Dan8:11-12) had assumed axe wielding power as shown on Ray Franz, so no one could buck this GB “Korah class” or they would go the same route as Ray.

Thus, the subversion control group in that GB (Dan8:12), was put in place fully from 1971-1976. There never was a “governing body” in JWs before then, nor at Jerusalem, it was an “in” developed since 1944 with the very first mentioning of just the term “governing body” not applied to the WTBTS “board of directors” as of that time, and not until the 60s-70s, 70s for sure, by 1976 it was “the way it always was brothers”, which is a lie. That is how the “operation of error” matures into “the lie” among JWs very gradually over time (2Thess2:11-12)



Thus, with erred prophecy, yet truthful roots, and a rogue (yet foretold; Zech3:1-3; 2Thess2:1-4; Dan11:32-35) control group in the GB, they just had to wait until Fred Franz “died” (1992) to silence the 1990 3rd UN event prophecy at Daniel 11:30-31; Dan8:23, join the UN as UN NGO instead (Matt24:15), and then continue to promote the well believed old error and decoy instead. THAT is what the modern GB now are accomplishing with an end game goal for the JW org dissolution.

Then they used that old error and the then designed misarranged prophecy continuum of events to lead to Christ arrival and focused on “BTG goes down first” (and other misplaced prophecy), in error, to just continue the error (while using true prophecy), and now they can use that to sell a premature “end of the world” to JWs (2Thess2:1-2), and when the final world war “sword stroke” crisis begins, they can haul “obey the JW org as crazy as it sounds” JWs off to “bunkers” which is just FEMA processing in the US, and the dissident prison system globally as all nations will be going into a Hitler-like purge phase with the start phase of the final world war “sword stroke”, but now at global scale. (Rev13:3; Rev17:8-11) In this purge, JWs will be King North’s number one target to trap, silence, and bankrupt.

But in time, things will go wrong for the enemy (Rev9; Zech3:4-5; Hos1:4-7; Isa66:6), and JWs will be recovered AND CLEANSED as timed in Daniel 8:13-14 and have to make the proper updates and disclosures, the nature of which BEGINS the final warning (Rev9-11:1-7) as the world resolves the world war into the final “we have world peace” “and security” statement (1Thess5:1-3) which is the main selling mantra to come, of the wildbeast WORLD GOVERNMENT when complete King North, 8th King, etc, as it uses that GLOBAL “healing” (Isa41:1) to ply its 666 con on the world, with a complete JW warning finished.

Then Christ arrives.


Now ALL of that is square and perfectly registered in real prophecy and its final interpretation, but because the GB feeds JWs sleeping pills and wine, JWs listen to men now, not God, Christ and final prophecy they NOW fulfill as our final SIGNAL APOSTASY! It is ALL already stated in prophecy! ALL OF IT!


[QUOTE who=”Nicola”]

Shouldn’t blame it on “the woman” should he?


It was a team effort, the first “religion”, Satan just targetted the least experienced one. Not because she was the woman, but because she was the newest.

But the demons of Genesis 6 were continuing Satan’s lead, so they did choose women for the other “seed” purpose, as that is planted in the “ground” as the “families of the ground” and as per the symbolic “curse on the” “ground”, God gave allowance for Satan and his to “father” their human “seed” element through human women.

And that has not changed, nothing in the Bible says so, it is people who say so, as Tartarus in the abyss, just spiritual darkness at this time for demons who were even late on the birth of Christ, so they are in the dark, so to speak.

What changed was the strategy, no more are human “giants” and those kinds of “men of fame” on any use as they used to be, but giant corporate “bodies” and “men of fame” for various powers given by the Devil is the new game plan, like the GB “seed of Satan” now subverting the JW ministry, for example, all sons of the Devil in another form of being and “fame”.

But, the demons cannot avoid the casting to the real Abyss as that “Tartarus” reality IN THE FUTURE, until then they will continue to have intercourse with some chosen women to continue the “seed” progression until the human element of it is “cut short” AFTER world government 8th King/King North has completed its foretold course to the “8th Kingdom” which assimilates all the nations globalized and “gathered” to the “place called Har-Magedon”. (Rev17:8-13; Rev13:3,15-18; Dan11:44-45; Dan8:25; Rev16:13-16)

Because of obeying enemy system placed men in the GB (Dan11:32a) rather than God, JWs have allowed themselves to be misled (2Thess2:1-2; Dan11:32a) by the “seed of Satan” in the Bethel leadership (Dan8:12; Dan11:32-35), and as such will think this coming final world war “sword stroke” [coming up (Rev13:3)], destined to repeat for the final cycle as Revelation 13:3 (Rev17:8-13), and the “seven trumpets” and “plagues” finale to world government 8th King, is “the end” well too soon as per 2Thess2:1-2.

JWs have been duped after 1990, by the GB “seed of Satan” placed device.

God will perform low profile angelic temple cleansing events (Zech3:1-5), timed for future verifications as Daniel 8:13-14 (Rev8:3-8 paralells), and “evening” “morning” phased as Daniel 8:26 to purge the “seed of Satan” from the JW “temple arrangement”, because demons there (Zech3:1-3; 2Thess2:9) will require like-powered but superior force angels of God under Destroyer to get them out of the place. (Hos1:4-7; Isa37:30-32; Hos6:1-3; Isa31:8-9; Mic5:6-7; Rev9; Zech1:1-8; Zech6:1-8; Mal3:1-5)

Then JWs will be freed (Rev9) and complete the final warning “second witnessing” of the “TWO witnesses” as Rev9 continues to Rev10-11:1-7 and into world government, which of course, triggers that long awaited “Christ arrival” “second coming” with that “second witness” cycle wrapping up its final 1260 days to equate to 2520 days, 1260 days 1914-1918, 1260 days at that time, Revelation 11’s “seven times” complete. (Rev10:11; Rev11:2-3; Dan7:25; Dan12:7; Rev13:5-7; Rev12:14) As per Rev12:14, God will use worldly powers to eventually rescue some JWs from the flashflood of Rev12, parallel Isaiah 28.

Very simple. But not for GB misled JWs. (Dan8:12) But not for long; (Rev8:1-5; Dan8:13-14; Isa66:6; Matt22:1-14)


[QUOTE who=”Tony Price 77″]<quoted text>

Are you kidding? JWs know exactly what they want. And they want to live on a paradise earth that no longer has predators and prey animals.

Long run, yes, short run, no. JWs are lost in the short run, but it is temporary, when they are found, they must reveal how; that is the final warning.

[QUOTE who=”Tony Price 77″]
So are you saying that certain ideals such as no predator and prey animals are only symbolic and are referring to the personalities of human beings?


No, but you are correct, the “wild beast” symbol is of a predator, so a predatory human is baseline 666 by nature. Good point.

But no, though the symbol applies to plants and animals as human traits in weeds and unreasoning killers, it is common sense God will himself kill those who disobey the law of love.

The animals are under another ultimate destiny, they just return to Genesis 1:26-28, under the New Adam, and receive their blessings bestowed BEFORE man was granted dominion under love, over the creation, not just animals.

They can probably “live forever” too, because nothing “desires” to cease living, you know.

(Psalm 145:16) . . .You are opening your hand And satisfying the desire of every living thing.

And in that is the LONG TERM desire, not for munchies and procreation and the like.

(Psalm 133:3) . . .It is like the dew of Her′mon That is descending upon the mountains of Zion. For there Jehovah commanded the blessing [to be], [Even] life to time indefinite.

Now “the blessings” of Genesis 3 culminate in the human one, the animals had verious blessings bestowed before humans. And a blessing is a blessing, NOT a “the curse” inherited to their world by the hierarchical human curse by sin.

[QUOTE who=”Tony Price 77″]
Here is a quote from C.S. Lewis:

<<His Omnipotence means power to do all that is intrinsically possible, not to do the intrinsically impossible. You may attribute miracles to him, but not nonsense. This is no limit to his power. If you choose to say ‘God can give a creature free will and at the same time withhold free will from it,’ you have not succeeded in saying anything about God: meaningless combinations of words do not suddenly acquire meaning simply because we prefix to them the two other words ‘God can.’… It is no more possible for God than for the weakest of his creatures to carry out both of two mutually exclusive alternatives; not because his power meets an obstacle, but because nonsense remains nonsense even when we talk it about God.>>

(Revelation 22:1-3) . . .And he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, flowing out from the throne of God and of the Lamb 2 down the middle of its broad way. And on this side of the river and on that side [there were] trees of life producing twelve crops of fruit, yielding their fruits each month. And the leaves of the trees [were] for the curing of the nations. 3 And no more will there be any curse. . .

Thus ALL curses are removed.

(Ezekiel 47:9) . . .everything will be alive where the torrent comes.

If JWs were not in heavy sins against God at this time (Zech3:3), they could also put these simple things together, but they are stagnant and drunk spiritually speaking.


CS Lewis claimed to be Satan’s brother’s son, son of a demon in other words. So his truths can get mixed with other things from his own mouth, and he is unreliable overall, a Satan worshipping aid of his Uncle Salty Screwtape father in a schizoid “pen name”, in which case you are “the patient” and CS is doing his “Wormwood” job of misleading you to the destination by his words, while he tells the same story as a tale; But it is no tale is it?

“It is funny how mortals always picture us as putting things into their minds: in reality our best work is done by keeping things out.”


[QUOTE who=”Tony Price 77″](continued)

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But why and how Heaven+Earth when you said before that “it[earth] is what human is made for, and it for human…but it is a human home, just an angel garden not “home” per se”?

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Well someone else has to answer that question, that is why you are seekign God, while thinking you are seeking the proof he does not exist, because DEEP inside you live due to Him, and you seek him by this kind of project in vicarious exercises.

But a human who knows can try to answer your question. Just SEEING an angel will answer many question with no need of words, you will KNOW, what you always knew, but as KNOWN by you, the “epiphany” moment.

Now them angels come from “another world”. There are many abodes and world’s they are within, men and frogs live on Earth, but a frog won’t stay in a dry house, and a man cannot live in a wet swamp, yet they are in the same world, but are different “homes”.

We do not know much about the angel world. But we know it is older, bigger, and more powerful as the material universe is under its power and guidance. That they will become seamless so to speak, is also knowable, but as for the whole set of details of the divine purpose for the “and it was good” portion here on Earth, and imaginably probably in other places in the Milky Way alone, or modifiable for such, we can’t know these things yet.

But it is not hard to say a divine ETERNAL purpose is easily more believable than a “big bang from nowhere” that caused “a galaxy from nowhere” which caused a “solar system from nowhere” which houses a “planet earth from nowhere” which has a mystical “primordial soup from nowhere” from where humans and animals sprung “for no good seeable reason, also from nowhere”, to do nothing but die, as we all choose the death destiny of eventual dust over even the mere glimmer of a hope of eternal life.

Yep, how wise we are! And they actually pat those university dolts to teach such things! LOL

You have NOTHING to lose in betting on Christ and eternal life, other than an eternity as nothing, from where it all supposedly began as nothing, according to the Liar’s liars.

Why willingly chose nothingness based on this argument of dead men who will become what they say, nothing?

Geez, grow your own brain and balls please.


[QUOTE who=”GreatSouthbay4040″]
But…..As i stated a couple of posts up. No matter who’s in office. Jehovah’s plans go forward

It maybe Trump who takes religious rights away.We don’t know yet…. You think it’s just a coincidence that our strongest ally Britian had a historic vote, as well? We are the 7th king that originated out of Britian. This country is tied at the waist with GB. Isn’t he pals with Putin who absolutely loathes religion?…. Think about that……

They may attack small religions, like JW org. Even Islam.

But logically, the harlots main job is to sell the wildbeast to people BEFORE she is then done, and ready for deposition. The “Scarlet Wildbeast” is as of yet, not even fully complete, only its UN “image” is functional, but NOT as a global government which it will be the nucleus of.

So, BTG is deposed AFTER she has done her full con job, to sell world government to as many people as she can, in spite of here evaporating waters, she still has the biggest part of her job leading to the promotion of world government.

AFTER that is done, then she can be deposed, as is the outline also in Revelation 17:8-18. She is around until AFTER the world government comes from “abyss” (Rev11:7 parallel), then she is deposed.

JWs just have not figured out Revelation has TWO cycles, hence “two” “witnesses” (2520 days) and Christ full “second coming”.

JWs teach the foregleam of the same, first pattern, to manifest AGAIN (Rev10:11) in the future.

The “sword stroke” coming events that lead to full world government, are NOT “the end” yet. (Matt24:6; Rev13:3)

The end will NOT come during a time of wars, as stated by Christ, Matthew 24:6, or disorders, Luke 21:9. It comes in at a time of real peace, the one under world government complete. (Dan8:25 ‘freedom from care” is 1Thess5:1-3 “world peace” “and security” period under world government.)

As per 2Thess2:1-2, don’t get fooled with hyped up JWs “as though from us” that the end is now here too soon, the GB are the “apostles” of Rev2:2 who teach the end way way toooo soooon!.



[QUOTE who=”Tony Price 77″]<quoted text>

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LOL Actually, you’re making up excuses for them that aren’t true, BetheljudgmentDan8-14soon. Because it’s just the opposite of what you’re saying.

My questions are unexpected and put them on the spot. Plus, why do you think that GreatSouthbay4040 went through such a campaign to undermine my questions? And it’s not because he didn’t think that I make good points, but it was because my questions SCARED THE CRAP OUT OF HIM and caused him to have doubts about his faith. LOL 😀

But that’s fine with me because I can keep asking the questions… and if they ignore them, then that just shows that I made a legitimate point that they need to ignore in order to have peace of mind. LOL 😀


I’m your basic Jehovah’s witness minus the GB. Your stuff is not scary, it is old hat. The question that perplexed me was the 607 BCE glitch. But in time it was answered, while still keeping 607 on a “gentile time”, not a Jerusalem Destruction event which is not a gentile time.

What scares JWs is the indications of lawlessness from the leadership. That is what they avoid like the plague because by now the indications are clear.

And it is no accident the Liar GB (Rev2:2) uses the disarrangement and error set to prepare JWs for FEMA as the “bunker” to flee to. So it is not lawlessness for no reason, it secures a judgment and gives them divine allowance to work that coming mayhem as they attempt to takeover the org, while telling JWs it is “the end” to trap them and try to dissolve them to, outside of the corporate dissolution goal.

Now that will scare a JW, because the knife in their back is from the hand of the “son of destruction”, the other term for the “lawless one” “man of lawlessness” in their GB. JWs started to venerate the GB too much, so they will feel betrayed and betrayal it will be.

The world will see these events, but its cause will end up being explained from the JW mouth, in sackcloth black as night. (Rev9-11:1-7) It will be the final warning chapter one of trumpets 1-4.



[QUOTE who=”GreatSouthbay4040″]<quoted text> I usually don’t read your posts. To be canid with you. I find them overwhelming. But, needless to say, i tried my best to get through this post. Well, as far as your points. I will leave the interpretation up to the GB.

The end is not far off, at all. The slave is not only obedient but is under obligation to their master Jesus Christ to continually make the call that we are close to the end.

These events you are speaking of will most likely overlap one another.

But, again……The end is not far off. Just take a look around, man…..You think God wants things to continue this way?


The end of the 7th King period is not far off is all it is. *th King has to come in full, 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8.

Very simple. A child can interpret this now, the GB has nothing new to say, Fred Franz was the last light of sunset on JW “new light”.

The GB are in sins.

But Jehovah will recover the Jehovah’s witnesses who make the temple judgment admission and repentance call of Daniel 8:13-14.

Things do overlap, but the “old world order” is what is to be phased out first, for the “new world order” of King North 8th King.

World Government is given the completion, that is how BTG is destroyed after world government completes, and their world peace mantra is that real “peace and security”, not the fake one coming up.

The thing runs the complete course, as Jesus stated the end does not come with “wars and disorders” present in the world. (Matt24:6; Luke21:9) UN World Peace is when the “wars and reports of wars” cease to furnish that “peace and security” claim.

Of course, 100% military in 8th King hands is more dangerous than even world war, but its use is selective, defining Daniel 11:44-45 and Daniel 8:25. Daniel 8:25 “freedom from care” is that UN world peace and the “let the nations regain power” of Isaiah 41:1 and the Rev13:3 world war “sword stroke” “healing”; meaning there is a recovery at global scale after this world war ends.

BTG resources from her downfall will aid the recovery, in part.

For the final warning we need to be able, this time, to call things before the happen from prophecy. In the meantime, the enemy will misapply the same prophecies too soon. (2Thess2:1-2)

[QUOTE who=”GreatSouthbay4040″]The BOTTOM LINE is that Republicans have no plan.

The whole point of Obamacare was to bring our country in line with the rest of the industrialized world. Whoever on Trump’s future team who will be vested with taking control ovet this mind soeak of all of minds of better sounding alternatives till they are blue in the face…..However, they cannot deny the fact that to repeal basic insurance protections is an act that brings our country backwards.

‘It is NOT making America great again’ to deny insurance and or make it prohibitively costly for those without it and can’t afford it on the open market without any substantial subsidies from the govt

It is unconscionable that the leader of the socalled free world would even think of rolling backthe progtess ee made wiyhout careful consideration if not outright denying coverage to their citizens for certain treatments altogether. In addition or whomever eventually entrusted with this who will put them in this humiliating position of being vulnerable.

I hope the Dems fight them tooth and nail on this.[/QUOTE]

They are not repealing “insurance protection”, they are trying to get that arm of the insurance empire out of Federal Reserve control.

As of 2009 “Blueprint for a New Financial System” (Dan11:42-43 context eventually), the Federal Reserve is to control all insurance regulatory (including FDIC), in addition to already owning the stock market and mortgage system, and the SEC will be under their oversight, by subsidiary devices like DTCC.

That has all been explained by the world “lights” (Luke21:25)

All Trump will do is delay it a little. They may nuke him in NY, to start the final world war required to finalize the Central Bank rulership within UN centric world government.

[QUOTE who=”GreatSouthbay4040″]<quoted text> And according to you who is this enemy?


As per Daniel 11:32a King North (globalist intel sector) is who “leads into apostasy” “those acting wickedly against the holy covenant”.

That is how we know too, KN is not USSR, the real King North leads the final apostasy completely.

They are the rival world government developers system, that is why they got into JW leadership and oppose the only locale that [used to be] up to date on God’s Kingdom News from prophecy. The put the GB into the role in 1976, that was an illegal Bethel coup which Fred Franz and Nathan Knorr tried to prevent.

The enemy is the main contender against God’s Kingdom and its coming rulership of Earth. Of course, Satan is involved as the main enemy hence Zech3:1-3, and 2Thess2:9. So the universal rule is also to be replaced as Jesus stated “NOW the ruler of this world will be cast out” when he came to the temple, the FIRST thing he said as King designate, 33CE.

God approved.

It is certain.

So the enemy is resisting a little while longer.

Jehovah’s witnesses, since 1914, have been the only place worthy of enemy infiltration, even before 1914, Christendom was already in apostasy to the point of total rejection.


[QUOTE who=”GreatSouthbay4040″]<quoted text>”Jehovah’s witnesses, since 1914, have been the only place worthy of enemy infiltration, even before 1914, Christendom was already in apostasy to the point of total rejection”

Explain, please


ONLY JWs have the full truth, so they are the ONLY target.

When you have the truth, as Christendom did, for example, way way way back, the “weed seed” enemy gets in and subverts it. JWs have the truth, they are now the only location to “weed” target. (Dan8:12)

In 1914, ONE location of truth, an approved anointed Christian faith and ministry and its congregation and “flock”, was FULLY being identified.

1. FIRST, they tried the “Plan A” 1917 board of directors coup, Rutherford prevented it.

2. When that failed, they implemented “Plan B” and tossed the brothers in prison, 1918-1919. (As God foretold the event, and the timing, the first 1260 days had completed, then they were tossed in prison.)

The GOAL was to get inside JWs to control it to silence. See, had the 1917 “Plan A” worked, “Plan B” 1918 prison would not have been required, in the end, both “Plans” FAILED.

And in approved leadership and approval overall it continued through Rutherford to 1942, both plans ended up failing, the prison thing only worked 9 months.

So does the enemy just give up?

NO. They just waited to try the same trick, again, later, to get control of JWs by the same means internally. But it has been “gradually given over”, this has happened very slowly and steadily; (read Dan8:12)

Within two years of JFR 1942 death, in 1944, they “began speaking about the governing body”:

*** w71 12/15 pp. 755-756 A Governing Body as Different from a Legal Corporation ***

“”The official magazine of Jehovah’s Christian witnesses is The Watchtower Announcing Jehovah’s Kingdom. In the year 1944 the Watchtower magazine began to speak about the governing body of the Christian congregation.””

But the term “Governing Body” was not applied to the WTBTS board until 1971.

“”The Watchtower of December 15, 1971 was the first to unambiguously capitalize the term “Governing Body of Jehovah’s witnesses” as the defined group leading the religion, with a series of articles explaining its role and its relationship with the Watch Tower Society.””


3. So now, after “Plan A” failed and ” Plan B” failed, the ” Plan C” was to use the ” Plan A” board coup, again, and in 1976 it was realized as the GB took over WTBTS.

The introduction of the “governing body” term was a device to apply to the “board of directors” to NOW assume full control of the JW ministry to silence it in updates not being made. THAT is “act effectively” (Dan11:30b-31a) and “acted and had success” (Dan8:12)–“Plan B” worked this time in 1976.

JWs have been the ONLY target to subvert, because ONLY Jehovah’s witnesses have the truth, even if stalled at this time, Plan C will also fail in time. And they will try the same Plan B, etc, but the final warning will emerge at the same time to complete the final 1260 days, 2520 days “seven times” Rev11’s final warning version. (Rev11:1-7)

[QUOTE who=”Tony Price 77″]<quoted text>

Well, maybe it is now, but if I recall correctly, there was a similar thread where you admitted that you had started to have doubts because of the conversation and how you needed to turn that around because you had been believing the way that you have been believing for a long time.

Therefore, apparently, the initial ‘fear’ has worn off for you.


Not me. I had been through this all by 1994. Must have been someone else. Once it has gotten to the point of seeing the modern JW devolution into apostasy, then I already have to believe they had the most threatening truth overview of sovereign prophecy to indicate Christ arrival via world government, and therefore they are the only target to subvert, and it has been successful by way of the GB development since 1976.

If I had doubts JWs have the overall truth continuum, I could not see the infiltration reality and the reason why they are the only target left, and will continue to be, after recovery, but the enemy will be placed out of the ministry and it will be guarded to prevent any recurrence (Zech9:8), because as per 2Thess2:11-12 this subversion is for ultimately a global signal surrounding the JW org downfall of Daniel 8:13-14 coming.

Then an “opertion of error REMOVAL” will go into effect and it cannot be overcome, because the signal will form the basis of the first part of the verification to make the final warning extra convincing as it unfolds after recovery, to full final 1260 day warning.

Once you see these things are also in prophecy, it cannot be “unseen” or doubted. Doubt was no longer a problem for me personally, after th early 90s, and it was JW prophecy that I tested to arrive at that conclusion, the “it all came from nothing” camp is, to me, ridiculous and that is the camp you represent.

You are the one who should have doubts if “nothing” is the least common denominator of your arguments main “cause”. Words like “evolution” are incapable of being a true cause, anymore than the word “electricity” or “power” explains the real forces that define such things. They are just words of no real meaning as if attributable to the cause. For such reasons, their arguments equate also, to nothing.


[quote=’Lisa’ pid=’98014′ dateline=’1479483673′]
Tbh I wasn’t sure what you meant which is why I asked.
Are ya talking about the nephilim then? How do you know that wasn’t just a one off and that the Bible was referring to angels?
What happens when your religion says you must kill others if you want to see heaven? Then what do ya do?
So you don’t think the book of Revelation is going to happen? Just something to scare people with?
I have a faith (Rev14:12) not a religion so I listen to the Bible, God, Christ, not religions. The Bible is referring to angels, not good ones in Genesis 6.
Revelation is the final continuum, that is why there are seven trumpets and plagues, but the goal is the open salvation call of Revelation 14:6-8 which good angels will complete when Christ completes his own ministry but in Mighty God form.
It is GOOD NEWS if people give you a “bad news” impression that is not the good news, everlasting good news in Rev14:6-8.
A lot has to happen, religion does not matter to God as per Romans 2. Loving your neighbor as yourself is all God looks at regardless of “religious” label or lack thereof. Predatory people will be removed, it is bad news for them, but God is the judge of hurtful malicious people who forego repentance.
OF COURSE, faith in Jesus Christ, a FAITH, is an extra assurance. I am talking of misled people, they will be assessed according to their actions,loving, or not.
Many people will walk right into the Kingdom of God “courtyard” transition even some who know nothing about Jesus Christ and there are some.
People can be saved even from the period of world government outlawing and deposition of the global corporate religious complex (Rev17:13-18), Islam is slated for the first department to be taken out because the “Israel” and church props are the ones to try to lead the last “religious” people to the 666 with and they must “win” the final “crusade”; but it is all rigged for 666 effect.
That is why I have NOTHING to do with corporate “religions”, once they are done leading all they can to 666 world government, they are deposed (Rev18; Rev17:13-18), from that downfall of Rev14:8’s announcement, the Rev14:6-7 opportunity is going out to people in that system from angels who cannot be touched by world government men, technologies or demons.
If a “religion” scares people they work for the 666 “reaction” phase of the “problem” “sword stroke” of Revelation 13:3, so the “doomsday” scare can be transformed into the “solution” hope in global recovery, rather than “the end of the world”. Scare them first, relieve them later, sell them 666 world government as the intended “reaction” goes positive and hopeful.
They will sell world government with a “world peace” mantra (1Thess5:1-3) and a global recovery (Rev13:3; Rev17:8-13; Isa41:1), so it is as hopeful, appealing and seemingly positive as can be, but that is around 15 years from now.
Jesus Christ when a man was kind to all people, but the enemies of the Kingdom of God are who he bothered, average people came from miles just to be with him because he was kind and truthful and a divine genius but low key.
Religions are not like him, they are from the deceiver, the quicker you flee (Matt24:15), the better, they will become more dangerous in the end. When things really do not go some peoples’ way, they can get nasty, and that is what is coming for religious fakes influenced by religious leaders who are not like Christ, but some are, few, but some, and God knows who they are and he is all that matters.
But the religious complex is doomed, the NWO has already intimated the destiny in their plans for religions, other than Satan’s to depose them. NWO is to try to go 100% Satan, you know.
The final warning is positive and will stress the OPEN SALVATION CALL that anyone can surrender, and if they mean it, ANYONE CAN BE SAVED.
There is no ax to grind, Christ is about SALVATION, he looks at the heart. Of course, some people are evil and mean, and they won’t make it unless they change like Manasseh did, and Paul, and so on.
Nephilim do not necessarily need to be “giants”, some were, so the human demon offspring is hard to detect, so that is just the progeny of the infiltration, the demons are the cause, they are the ones to know most about. What a person is,loving or hateful, is one way to see, but not necessarily an either or, because some nasty people have a change of heart; seed of Satan will not have a “change of heart” but as humans looking in, only God knows all about this, so I just ignore the human element as far as wondering too much.
They are here though, it is the secondary means of national infiltration, because demons know no national or language barriers when they seek to get into a human society. They are masters of deception and infiltration. But so are the other guys, but not by using humans in the same way, but personally and by spirit. Both sides are here and active in the respective, but diamteric, objective.
Love your neighbor and keep doing it, and you are in. “Neighbor” is very general.

[QUOTE who=”Tony Price 77″]<quoted text>

Was that “Leave it to Beaver”?

No… that was a television show. 😛

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Well, it would have been nice if Jehovah’s Witnesses demonstrated that they cared and perhaps tried to warn me not to go see this movie.(Because the holes that I keep making in the air to other locations is starting to get annoying.) 😉

However, perhaps I was right before:


The movie was Psycho, and “groundbreaker” in a couple ways. Since just the toilet, much less it being flushed on the silver screen, offended the censors, it is amazing that it went fromPsycho to Hostel in just 45 years.

With Dr. Strange it is twice removed from the realm of the JW radar, they may object to the subject matter, but its Marvel connection of social mythology engineering by way of also “twice removed” concepts of Genesis 6 “strange” and “super hero” like world context of the day, will be unknown to Jehovah’s witnesses, because the GB is their own invented “super hero” who keeps them in the dark as to the natural progression fo such reverse engineering of social psyche and its manipulative devices such as the “Marvel Universe”.

Nothing is much allowed to develop parallel to Marvel in an original manner, it must be parallels of social psychology they have been working on through that franchise for a long time now. Of course, there are other brands of fantasy out there, like Star Wars and Star Trek, isolated movie themes, etc, they usually develop the same themes as Genesis 6 describes the background context of.

JWs are not at that point of awareness, so it may be no more harmless than a comic book to them. Like Greek mythology there is more to this Hollywood brandings of fantasy mythology, there relation is the actualities of related beings who actually were hybrid man and angel, hence Genesis 6.

And that is the only place (other than CGI “mythology”), other than God’s brand of “hybrids”, where these kinds of beings and things could actually be possible and have been, hence Genesis 6. It is in preparation for future events and super-cosmic revelations which will revisit these themes and in a pre-conditioned manner for the global audience of human beings, to aid their reception of it all, acclimated by this context of “supernatural” ideation beforehand.

But JWs are in coma since 1976, so don’t expect them to elaborate on all this anytime too soon, but in time they will get the crash course in the subject at hand and they will have to chime in. (Dan8:13-14; Rev11:3; Rev10:11)

Hollywood CGI is just trying to give some a picture of a reality, not here yet. But on the way. A war of worlds, God’s and Satan’s, but for real and global when the real “Star of Show” arrives. (Rev14-6-8)


[QUOTE who=”Tony Price 77″]<quoted text>

Well, did you read my reply #56 in the “God’s Strength” thread?

Therefore, if it’s just about God and Holy Spirit versus Satan and his demons, then how do you that post?


“Gray area”, it is easier to understand the concept if you can try to avoid “cut and dry” assessments. For example is it nature or nurture? Well, it seems the poor dolts at the universities never heard of the word “synergy”.

Nothing is cut and cry, it is all inter-related thus also synergistic. A combination of the eternal powers of God and the eternal design of man formerly “in God’s image” so there are many points of potential interaction.

Cut and dry thinking, attempts to abort the potential. Like “evolution”, “holy spirit” is just a term, but in its case the cause but the details are unknown. Satan tries to cause doubt in the existence of God and the eternal dimensions of his power, but God also causes doubt about those doubts, in small ways, but some are enormous and on an individual basis in life experiences.

It just depends on which way the human mind can be swayed towards. But in the end, God creates certain people for his purpose and allows Satan do do likewise, as Satan tries to override God’s purpose for the ones created for the divine purpose.

Meaning God will get his, but in the struggle in man, there was the possibility of believing Satan’s doubts, but conquerors overcome first by faith.

After enough testing they are aligned for the earthly and heavenly purpose and Satan’ destroyers are born into the master pattern of Christ the first of their “brothers”, so Satan is done:

(Hebrews 2:14-17) . . .Therefore, since the “young children” are sharers of blood and flesh, he also similarly partook of the same things, that through his death he might bring to nothing the one having the means to cause death, that is, the Devil; 15 and [that] he might emancipate all those who for fear of death were subject to slavery all through their lives. 16 For he is really not assisting angels at all, but he is assisting Abraham’s seed. 17 Consequently he was obliged to become like his “brothers” in all respects…

So Jesus was also tested, but is super-universal conqueror merely “completing his conquest” one day at a time.

(Revelation 6:2) . . .And I saw, and, look! a white horse; and the one seated upon it had a bow; and a crown was given him, and he went forth conquering and to complete his conquest.

Who could explain how you destroy Satan’s cranium? So, many things are beyond human, most things in fact.

(Numbers 24:17) . . .I shall see him, but not now; I shall behold him, but not near. A star will certainly step forth out of Jacob, And a scepter will indeed rise out of Israel. And he will certainly break apart the temples of Mo′ab’s [head] And the cranium of all the sons of tumult of war.

War is coming on Satan. A war that will destroy him and fulfill th first prophecy:

(Genesis 3:15) . . .And I shall put enmity between you and the woman and between your seed and her seed. He will bruise you in the head and you will bruise him in the heel.”

The exact “good news” will go out prior to Satan’s removal from this universe:

(Revelation 10:6-7) . . .“There will be no delay any longer; 7 but in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to blow his trumpet, the sacred secret of God according to the good news which he declared to his own slaves the prophets is indeed brought to a finish.”

You are just getting the preface early.


[QUOTE who=”Newtonian”]<quoted text>

Bethel – Close.

Your point 7 – you failed to post the Scripture:

Revelation 17:9-14
9 “This calls for a mind* that has wisdom: The seven heads+ mean seven mountains, where the woman sits on top. 10 And there are seven kings: Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet arrived; but when he does arrive, he must remain a short while. 11 And the wild beast that was but is not,+ it is also an eighth king, but it springs from the seven, and it goes off into destruction.
12 “The ten horns that you saw mean ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but they do receive authority as kings for one hour with the wild beast. 13 These have one thought, so they give their power and authority to the wild beast. 14 These will battle with the Lamb,+ but because he is Lord of lords and King of kings,+ the Lamb will conquer them.+ Also, those with him who are called and chosen and faithful will do so.”+

So the 7th king remains a short while – what is a short while??? And is this just referring to the time it is a two-horned wild beast aka Anglo-American dual world power – i.e. short while starting from what date?

Your point 8 is incorrect – the 8th king does not depose the 7th – where did you get that idea from?

Do you agree that the 8th king is the 7 headed, 10 horned image of the wild beast?

Do you think the dragon ends up with 8 heads instead of 7???[/QUOTE]

I misworded it. The 8th King deposes 7th King by the Daniel 11:42-43 future process culmination. King North is who prevails, they do not keep pushing, King North is King NORTH, the top of the world, world government.

The nation-state system is the “old world order” which does end up in full subservience to the “new world order” as per Daniel 11:42-45 and Revelation 17:8-18.

The “remains a short while” means the 7th King is not destroyed but its 7th rulership falls for the 8th King which is eventually more than just the UN “image” but the whole complete world government.

The teach JWs the end is coming too soon as per 2Thess2:1-2, so they can crush the JW org, and while doing so, sell it to JWs as that fake “the end”. This will neutralize all JW resistance to the coup, and then JWs will be left high and dry with 15 more years to go to world government and the total end (Isa38), in which they have to regroup and “prophesy again” in the final warning. (Rev10:11; 11:1-7)

At this time, JWs do not know it is NOT done yet for them. God will help recover JWs in the Daniel 8:13-14 events, phasing and timing, the first timed prophecy to begin Rev8, with this final cycle being described for you when it is all you have left. JW org goes down as UN ally, UN NGO, it is the “transgression causing” this “desolation” on the JW org soon at Daniel 8:13.

JWs have drifted off course, they will get the crash course of Daniel 8:13-14 in Daniel 11:41-43 activating in earnest towards world government completion. JWs org goes down with the 7th Kign system, but first and smaller in the mix for a global signal.

In time, they have to be cleansed to the Daniel 8:14 “right condition” as Zech3:4-5 parallel and get with the divine program. The GB will be removed and exposed as the final man of lawlessness manifestation in its JW subverting locale, GB placed from King North as per Daniel 11:32a.

The 8th Kign conquers 7th King, King North conquers King South “Egypt” in Daniel 11:42-43 as King South becomes the “SHE will not prove to be an escapee” of that coming prophecy context which will have global implications and its starting period is when JW org goes down.

But because JWs buy that as the “the end”, they will be clueless for the “evening” darkness of 3.19 years of Daniel 8:14, Daniel 8:26, then they will wake up. (Matt25:1-13)

You’re understanding has been stalled by the UN GB.


[QUOTE who=”Newtonian”]Bethel – On your post 88 – we agree on what we agree on. That’s good!

I don’t know why you think our governing body has done something wrong – was it you that posted that
our being an NGO (non-governmental organization) which pleads with the UN for civil right – especially religious freedom – was not as nobel a pursuit as I believe it is?

After all, Paul appealed to Caesar for justice.

Not sure why you think only one human government will be ruling when Armageddon comes – you think that when the 8th king begins ruling all the others stop ruling?

You inserted the word “globalize” into the Biblical text at Revelation 16:13-16 (v. 14) – by what authority do you insert this word into the Biblical text???

The text clearly shows multiple kings will still be ruling until their destruction at Armageddon, as to many other Biblical texts, e.g.:

Daniel 2:44
44 “In the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom+ that will never be destroyed.+ And this kingdom will not be passed on to any other people.+ It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms,+ and it alone will stand forever,+

So, do you join us in preaching the good news of God’s Kingdom to all nations? Matthew 24:14; Mark 13:10[/QUOTE]

I believe everything JWs believe, but Daniel 8 and 11 need final updates, and there are a few world government finality things JWs also need to be made to understand.

World Government rules “not by his own power” (Dan8:23-25) but by subservient vassal nations like this:

(Daniel 11:39) . . .And he will act effectively against the most fortified strongholds, along with a foreign god. Whoever has given [him] recognition he will make abound with glory, and he will actually make them rule among many; and [the] ground he will apportion out for a price.

The USSR and national powers were and are the “most fortified strongholds” which the globalist King North system assimolates by wealth control as per Daniel 11:42-43, and military for the worst resisters like Russia and China, Middle East.

The idea of “gathering all the nations” is what globalization is. True anointed have the authority to use God’s Word to illustrate modern truths while we head to world government, obviously a foreign concept to dated JWs.

Trying God’s Name JEHOVAH and Christ’s name to the UN, even if with good intent, has to bring a judgment, NO ONE sullies God Almighty with a Wildebast Organization reproach, no no no!

Judgment is coming, you will know when it gets here, the UN alliance is a no no, no matter the reason, it has to bring the Daniel 8:13 judgment, and Rev8:10-11 “burning mountain” events on JW “sea” now.

JWs have no business with any UN ties whatsoever. We should have known much better by now. That is what happens when men become trusted as if infallible. The GB did it. (Dan11:32a)

Now the full truth is coming out early. But in time, all JWs will preach this same Revelation 10:5-11 message summary. It is the “second witness” of the “two witnesses”, Jehovah’s witnesses did the “first witness” in 1914-1918 and that is all true, later, error was “gradually” introduced as NWT 1.0, Daniel 8:12.

Get ready. There is no sidestepping the Judgment of Jehovah that begins on JWs first as per 1Peter 4:17. We need much faith to survive this and stay in the temple.


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Bethel:who was walking in the garden of Eden after Adam and Eve sinned calling out to Adam “where are you”……../
The nwt saw Jehovah…….yet no one has ever seen or heard from the father


Well man lost that privelege of one on one with God. Now they must go through the angel and High Priest. When man is perfected they can be one on one again. Spirit reborn when approved and exited the body of human, will be that way instantly, they meet God one on one.

By the way, I am not saying you are misled, I am saying it is very simple, and that is why we have all the controversies in regard to these two. Religions are God’s worst enemy system, born from Satan the “religionist” from the oldest religion on Earth, the “church” the woman joined and then Adam.

When they sinned, man could no longer interface God one on one after the announcement of the indictment and curses.

Now, only Jesus Christ is mediator of the sacrifice and the covenant, and the sacrifice applies to all humans, the covenent is just a technical device to fulfill the Abrahamic covenant legally among initially sinful humans, not actually related to God, or worthy due to many sins.

Christ sacrifice offers a legal means to justify those with faith to bypass that reality as they are sons of God by spirit first, even the earthling sheep who are also “anointed” but of the “covenant of peace”, not for Kingdom of heaven, Messianic Kingdom agency.

They all interrelate for the same purpose but the “administration” of the “Kingdom of the World” portion based on the “covenant of peace” portion enabled by the new covenant provision will require human princes (Ps46:10), it is not a mass exodus from Earth, but a return to Eden restoration, gone global.

(Psalm 45:16) . . .In place of your forefathers there will come to be your sons, Whom you will appoint as princes in all the earth.

(Ezekiel 34:25) . . .“‘“And I will conclude with them a covenant of peace, and I shall certainly cause the injurious wild beast to cease out of the land, and they will actually dwell in the wilderness in security and sleep in the forests.

(Isaiah 54:9-10) . . .“This is just as the days of Noah to me. Just as I have sworn that the waters of Noah shall no more pass over the earth, so I have sworn that I will not become indignant toward you nor rebuke you. 10 For the mountains themselves may be removed, and the very hills may stagger, but my loving-kindness itself will not be removed from you, nor will my covenant of peace itself stagger,” Jehovah, the One having mercy upon you, has said.

That is a different covenant, the one entered at Daniel 12:12 timing.

The progress Jehovah’s witnesses have made is how it gets there. They have been infiltrated by King North globalist intel, that is why JWs can no longer understand this last step of Rev10:7.


As Christ pointed out Satan’s house does not war against itself. Thus, the incept Reformation was from God because it was trying to expose the first apostasy. Then it merged the core Catholic errors into the reformation churches.

Charles Russell then exposed both of these errors. There is no way Satan would undermine his main Christendom “the lie” of 2Thess2:9-11, with Russell, nor would he use a man who led to connecting Revelation prophecy to the incept world government first step of four in the League of Nations “image”, or nucleus of the 8th King system to come as complete world government in the future.

Think Satan is some kind of strategic fool to cause so much controversy millions of people re-examined their faith and the liar religions (Rev2:2) due to the monumental ministry of one self funded but God aided man like Charles Russell a dynamo of apostleship to the global level of works to put him in the same club Paul is in? [1]

You would have to be crazy. And many trying this are simply reacting to the Russell exposure, it is they who are foolish virgins at best, trying to be bonafied “evil slave”, misled by the real evil slave.

The pattern repeats. Now, Jehovah’s witnesses have assimilated a “slipped in” group of “brothers” plain as day “lifting themselves over everyone” and they have forged that error into the 2Thess2:11-12 “the lie” for a final apostasy of Daniel 11:32a among JWs.

Their puppet master uses the Russell distraction so people do not focus on the Governing Body source of TODAY’s apostasy in JWs.

Why else would Jehovah’s witnesses imagine the UN NGO Wildbeast Contract is somehow “noble”?

So God must finish what Russell started for him and complete the mission with the Rev10:5-11 final warning commission, but now based on exposing JW apostasy an UN NGO meaning as prophecy with the 3rd UN event of 1990, as sure a prophecy fulfilled at Daniel 11:30-31, Dan8:23 as was the first two UN presentations of 1919 and 1945.

But if you notice, the dirty GB SAYS NOTHING about UN3, 1990, and instead partnered with it as an adjunct annex of NWO promotions quoting the “new world order” term over 70 times in JW publications from 1991 to 2001, as wildbeast promoters and enorders.

JWs use the vain excuse they are fighting for “religious freedom” by joining the wildbeast to try to secure it. Yet they claim that wildbeast will destroy all religions of Earth, so how is the wildbeast UN going to help them secure “religious freedom”? Their own JW org is now to be desolated by divine judgment as a result of that UN NGO wildbeast partnership, go figure. (Dan8:13-14)

And THAT is how the evil slave works to mislead JWs into brazen apostasy (Dan11:32a) while they think all’s good. The GB is our final “evil slave” HQ of the modern final “man of lawlessness” manifestation, to be fully exposed by God after the temple judgment of Jehovah’s witnesses (1Pet4:17), complete with their own UN Wildbeast covenant history.


Why I Think Charles Russell was a Sincere Christian, Not an “Illuminati” Agent


[QUOTE who=”Nomi”]I firmly believe Trump is in place to help take this world’s systems down. My opinion is just made on common logic…knowing the type of person he seems to be.[/QUOTE]

But not in the way you may think. If he works from NY, rather than Washington, they may nuke him, and start war with Russia or whoever they blame for the event, because they will not let him make the changes he says he wants to make.

If he did that, the 7th King would be on the road to recovery, but the JFK solution is what they may use on Trump, but they should issue the fake “peace and security” before that happens IF that is the way it goes for 7th King downfall.

But the 8th King is yet to arrive now. world government.

World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3; Dan12:11), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

THAT is the simple main point.

JWs, as per 2Thess2:1-2, have been misled to expect the end too soon, to the enemy will give them a fake Armageddon to suit their desire, but it is just the end of the JW org apostasy. God will probably recover the org, he will recover JWs. (Dan8:13-14)

As long as you approve of the JW UN NGO (Matt24:15), you are the wildbeast’s until you flee. The UN NGO is no joke to God. Fell the volcano rumble, his judgment comes first of Jehovah’s witnesses. (1Pet4:17)


[QUOTE who=”MITCHELL in Wisconsin “]<quoted text>

I normally can’t stay focused on all your long winded post’s which by the way is not a bad thing, it’s me and my attention span, it’s very short but something pulled To your post here today..

I was just sharing your post with a Few friends Of mine here I hope you don’t mind, but you are simply amazing, your posts have helped me to understand things I normally wouldn’t even come close to understand..

So I THANK YOU very much for your well thought Of and Excellent Excellent Well EDUCATED Post’s here on Topix and I know for sure that you TOO must have also been a true blessing to others as well with your Beautiful word’s of wisdom !
I only wish I could focus more on some of your helpful Post’s…


Thank you again and have a great Turkey Day….[/QUOTE]

I made this a post, yes, share it with anyone you can. This way nothing is dropped by Topix or system error.


You are welcome, please read this whole thing, even save a copy, because it will be worth the extra effort it is all about OPEN SALVATION FOR ANYONE, and why the final period will merge into that message. You REALLY make me happy the ideas is getting through to someone out here! So THANK YOU!


Save it, because it will also unfold STARTING with JW org “desolation” events as a temple judgment of God, NOT “the end”. (2Thess2:1-2; Rev2:2) Meaning, this is going to unfold, and the proof begins with JW org downfall requirement and timed (Dan8:13-14; Rev8:3-7), and all can watch it on CNN, it is going zenith in global notice. (and that for a future reason; Isa28 on Bethell)



I am glad someone is benefiting because I know the reasoning is not “crazy” or made up as prophecy and world events ALWAYS HAVE been in parallel development; so it is no accident JWs have been infiltrated to subvert (Dab8:1-3) and stumble (Dan11:32-35) right from the heart of the leadership, where the Devil sits today among JWs right “in the temple”. (2Thess2:9; Zech3:1-3)


This is why JWs are “befouled” as per Zech3:3, in that principle of the Zechariah 3:1-3 resistance of Satan before the very Angel of the Covenant as shown in that whole Zech3 prophecy that must lead to Zech 4, Rev11’s parallel. No accident this is now OBVIOUS “lawless one” activity at “Joshua’s “right hand” right in the JW leadership from the Devil, GB!

Now, they want everyone to simply toss the baby with the bathwater as if all Christendom did not have SOME truths, which JWs took and elaborated as these things started to parallel more fitting events, leaving most of Russell’s prophecy attempts behind so quickly, it really was a small miracle between 1919 and 1930, the transformation to TRACK the “League of Nations” events as more than an international political social club, but an “image of the wildbeast” whose final form is 8th King “Scarlet Wildbeast” based on the Rev13 national “wildbeast from the sea”; the same base structure, but as “not by his own power” world government USING “gathered nations” globalized to aid world government.


VERY SIMPLE! World Government when complete will trigger Christ arrival in full. (Matt24:29-31; Rev11:7-13, Rev17:14, etc)

Now with the globalist world government project being exposed by the world’s own secular researcher “light sources” (Luke21:25), it is no “conspiracy theory” but a conspiracy fact against national sovereignty (Rev17:11-15) by mostly the use of debt to gain control. (Dan11:42-43; Hab2:6-8)

So, JWs were indeed on to something in that 1919 League of Nations red flag, it really is a unique nucleus “image” at international scale of the formation of a SOLE global sovereign system, aka new world order, one world government, “8th King”, “King North”, etc, the whole thing is THE TRUTH, as Scooby said they really do “want to ruuuuuuuuule the world!”.

Well the news is (Ps2), Jesus Christ who transcends his religious boxes who try to “package” him for profit, is THE SOLE RULER TO COME, plain as day stated numerous times in THE BIBLE. (The world government boys just need to complete their main offense to Christ Kingdom sovereignty from God.)

Thus, we shall have a BIG CONFLICT when they finally do complete and state global intent internationally about world government and ACTUALLY start to impose their final rule (Rev13:15-18; Dan11:44-5; Dan8:25; Rev17:11-18;), hence 8th King rule and hence “top of the world” KING NORTH rule.

When you examine JWs today, they consider NONE of this to be true, because of the subverters ruining their ministry from WITHIN. (Dan8:11-13; Dan11:32a)




Now if you can follow the logic this far, and see none of this whole array of anomalies and world government intent can be simply invented, but that it is real and it is prophecy, then you can KNOW this:

ANYONE CAN BE SAVED TOO! (Rev14:6-8 GUARANTEE in the last minute of the “last hour”) The final warning will go out for 1260 days (Rev10:11; 11:1-7; Rev13:5-7) PRIOR to world government completion and hence Christ arrival in addition to recovery news from the temple and it will have a POSITIVE main message. (Rev14:6-8)


The message MUST BE,  ANYONE CAB BE SAVED, because ANYONE can see all this stuff, EVERYONE IS INVOLVED, which will become even more obvious as we go through a world war “sword stroke” to “heal” into world government; (Rev13:3 parallel Rev17:8-13)

As we go along and this all comes true, it will be a step and “trumpet” at a time, and it will get more and more obvious, yes, they are about to kick the lion, and Christ shall respond, they will “be no delay any longer” (Rev10:5-7), the long warned of “Mighty God” will show (Rev19:11-21), and he will fight, and he will save sheep while he is “subduing in the midst of his enemies”. (Ps110; Dan2:31-45)


In time, God who LOVES all mankind and ALL CREATION DEEPLY, will make things MORE AND MORE AND MORE OBVIOUS as we go along these final say 15-18 years. And, KNOW THIS, it is going to drag on and on its full prophetic and world event course!


No early “the end” or “rapture” as JWs and others have been 2Thess2:1-2 MISLED to try to use to escape early, NO WAY! This is going to eventually be the Rev3:10 HOUR of test. (All the “hours” of Revelation11, 14, 17, 18 are the same symbolic “hour” of future timing of world government rule in completion for “one hour”. It is the shortest rival rule of all time, 8th King rule in official world government, hence “an hour of authority with the wildbeast”, meaning they will complete world government, it WILL rule a little while, but it is dead short, Christ will show up in that final “hour”.


Some people need more though, some of “God’s people” (Rev18:4) are quite stubborn. So…


In fact, God will allow world government to even destroy all global religions (Rev17:8-18; Rev18), and as with the original Babylon pattern it equates to SALVATION AND LIBERATION by that event! (Rev14:6-8; Rev11:11-13) The destruction fo BTG is good news in reality, it frees up some final prisoners, just like in old Babylon, MORE than just “Jews” were liberated by “Cyrus”.


Some of God’s “my people” will remain prisoners of religions so God will remove the religions from all around them, and they will have NOTHING but God and Christ left, even non-Christians, because as per Romans 2, even ignorant ones can be assessed to their basic nature, and if the “love their neighbor as themselves” as best they can, even if being ignorant and misled CAN BE SAVED ON THE SPOT as Babylon the Great is being destroyed, which must be takign place in the Revelation 14:6-7 period to lead to the finality announcement of Revelation 14:8, so God is shaking out prisoners AS BTG IS GOING DOWN!


They may share her sins, but that does NOT mean lump sum destruction, but as with old Babylon, LIBERATION from the greatest spiritual enemy mankind has ever known, brainwashing predatory religions, which JWs have also become, they went “back to Babylon”.


As initial proof this will all unfold, because it is a prophecy arrangement of “seven trumpets” and “seven plagues”, not a man, KNOW THIS:


“The Judgment” STARTS with the house of God, and JWs are the rpime notorious candidate of most high profile reproach, cover ups, and scandal so 1Peter4:15-17 will START on the JW global-signal epicenter of the “temple judgment.


TIMED PROOF in Daniel 8:13-14, means a minimum 3.19 years of “evening” “trampling” “desolations” will come on the JW org (Dan11:41-43 global “first 4 plague” context, first 4 trumpets), because its visibility will aid the global signal perception as it all runs its timed and “cleansing” course to the Dan8:14 “right condition”, to remove the “befouled” “garments” as parallel Zech3:4-5. (Matt24:15=UN-NGO “disgusting thing” signal)


That can take 6.38 years, as Daniel 8:13-14 is Daniel 8:26 “evening” and “morning” phased, and it si cryptic, 1150 days minimum, 2300 days possible, max. Either it is 2300 “evenings and mornings”  as a day (2300 days), or as each “evening and morning” counted per day (1150 days).


But, the “the morning” phase is when this ALL comes to light, and modern “man of lawlessness” locale among JW GB, is to be exposed globally, beyond doubt, and with no resisters left “in the temple” (Isa66:6).


A “light” also illustrated in the Rev9 “abyss” opened to this “light, a “light” “five discreet virgins” must also add to as Matt25:1-3 parallel parable. (Parables parallel prophecies to add more detail, this is temple judgment prophecy parallel of “light” for the final warning open salvation final call of Matt22:1-4, where in JW Org is that “city of murderers” and the “A system of things” that goes down in its apostate state. (God may recover a semblance of the JW “established place” (Dan8:11) and “fortress” symbol of Nah2, Dan11:30b-31a.)


Daniel 8:13-14 temple judgment events and timing will PROVE AND AFFIRM ITSELF, and there is more years to come because, in time, it leads to the 1260 days final warning, it is the preparation signal events and “cleansing” (Rev8:3-5 “fire of the altar” Zech3:2 “fire”) REQUIRED for the “right condition” BEFORE full recovery the final warning commission as Rev10:5-11, to deploy as “second witnessing” of the “two witnesses”, the final warning 1260 days.


As future proof, Jehovah’s witnesses who can be recovered will have to carry this same OPEN SALVATION MESSAGE, God is not taking s**t from JWs any more, carry the message Jehovah’s witnesses or join the weeds.


But it is generic too, as this starts to unfold the whole “ten virgins” know something is up, so from among the scattered sheep, the realization of Christa arrival will become clear, in spite of “five foolish virgins” which is just those who do not accept the full “oil” of the reality of the situation, many JW former anointed gone bad, have to join that rank.


Thus, MORE are required and hence Matt22:1-14, to fill in for the “five foolish virgin” depletion. In any even, all of God and Christ’s sheep, and they are everywhere and not bound by a “religious” label, will be gathered as per Matt24:31. JWs are just the last point of progress as UN 1990 and UN World government is tied to the UN 1919, and UN 1945 truncated continuum to aid the final warning UN1-2-3-4 prophecy fulfillment, all explained as one whole.


God NEVER has been limited by a “religious tribal label”, it is the “faith of Christ” (Rev14:12) that can save, and ANYONE can exercise such faith, repent as we all need to do, and be saved. The ignorant have a God of Salvation looking out for some of them, if they “been cool”, God will be cool too, if they been hurtful and predatory, of course, some have to be cut.


They are for God and Christ to judge, not us. But if Christ expended his life to the death, to full, to secure the “ticket to paradise”, then you can bet your life he will expend more effort to use that ticket in his blood TO SAVE, FIRST, and he will apply that option first, only incorrigible hurtful and mean jerks will be disposed of.


Thus, God’s law of love, is what it boils down to even for the ignorant. (Rom2:


(Romans 2:12-16) For instance, all those who sinned without law will also perish without law; but all those who sinned under law will be judged by law. 13 For the hearers of law are not the ones righteous before God, but the doers of law will be declared righteous. 14 For whenever people of the nations that do not have law do by nature the things of the law, these people, although not having law, are a law to themselves. 15 They are the very ones who demonstrate the matter of the law to be written in their hearts, while their conscience is bearing witness with them and, between their own thoughts, they are being accused or even excused. 16 This will be in the day when God through Christ Jesus judges the secret things of mankind, according to the good news I declare.

(Romans 2:26) 26 If, therefore, an uncircumcised person keeps the righteous requirements of the Law, his uncircumcision will be counted as circumcision, will it not? 

(Revelation 14:6-7) And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, and he had everlasting good news to declare as glad tidings to those who dwell on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people, 7 saying in a loud voice: “FEAR God and give him glory, because the hour of the judgment by him has arrived, and so worship the One who made the heaven and the earth and sea and fountains of waters.”



World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3; Dan12:11), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

THAT is the simple main point overall. Good to know before it happens.

Have a nice Thanksgiving too


[QUOTE who=”Tony Price 77″]<quoted text>

Well, did you read my reply #56 in the “God’s Strength” thread?

Therefore, if it’s just about God and Holy Spirit versus Satan and his demons, then how do you that post?



Alright, now I understand the question, lol.

A clue is here:

(Hebrews 13:1-3) . . .Let YOUR brotherly love continue. 2 Do not forget hospitality, for through it some, unknown to themselves, entertained angels. 3 Keep in mind those in prison bonds as though YOU have been bound with them, and those being ill-treated, since YOU yourselves also are still in a body. . .

Now why would Paul warn Christians that they may encounter angels of God and think they are mere humans? Because of Zech1, 6, 9 and Revelation, angels are out in force because demons are also out in force.

But God is stealth, He does only what is needed to foil a demon plan whenever he wants, and it at times interfaces a human life. And because as per Job1, Satan is testing all humans, all humans are also being assessed by God and He helps all humans, except evil ones.

In time, religions become profiteering enterprises, and so they try to package Christ for their use, and install a middle-man based money machine to rob the flock, like with the GB Racketeers for example. Thus because what they love, money, is involved they must sequester the flock’s wallet and this is aided by the delusion only their man-made “religion” is approved of God, “one church under God” as they “pledge allegiance” to their manufactured “Pope” who issues commands for all flock monies to go to them “for God”, of course.

IN REALITY, God created a “faith” (Rev14:12), the same one Christ exercises, so to whoever Christ is believable to, they can be saved, the Bible goes out to all people, God’s spirit to even more, because all people are being tested by Satan. For example, when a mother out there had to deal with a serial killer like Bundy, and go down to the morgue for a chopped up piece of their kidnapped, raped and tortured and dismembered daughter or daughters or sons, do we really think God Almighty does not sympathize?

The “joy set before” Christ is the complete restoration of all these stolen and abused things as he “gathers all things” on Earth too, and by his death, he has the “bag” to gather them all, because he has the keys not just of Hades, but DEATH and Hades, so animals (in Hades anyways as per Solomon’s hint in Ecclesiastes 2), are also restored. DEATH is a bigger bag than “Hades”, so the restoration is complete.

Now Jesus Christ was not raped and dismembered, but he was “kidnapped” and assassinated, so he is King of the Club of the Murdered and his vengeance, but also his restoration of the victims, will be complete too.


Since God is working with all people, always has and always will, he can do miracles or send angels anywhere in the world to further the divine will and purpose. In time, these angels will be everyday kinds of normal things, because when Christ comes it is no longer “stealth”, it is an invasion and no one is hiding who they are, it is in the face come that day, and that is how it will remain, because no more serial killers will be allowed to develop as they used to, as an example, in Christ’s “new earth” system.

And God can turn the worst of experiences, such as having a child murdered, into the positive to ally that person to his laws and will, so that the former decisions and mistakes will no longer be tolerated, because the little mistakes led to beheaded daughters, and those days will be gone forever, to the point Satan will be exterminated before all, to his very face with much prejudice.

Satan and the demons will NOT be whistling Dixie forever, they will be worn down to shaking nubs before they are terminated, God knows exactly how and when to fall upon his enemies.

In the meantime, God works with all people, especially those under the most severe tests.

The ONLY reason people doubt all this at this time, is sin, and believing lies of Satan, but not by choice, because no one in their right mind would go against God willingly, at least most sane people will not choose that option when knowing the whole story. But Satan is out lying, and that is why we have to deal with doubters a litle while longer with him the leading Liar and doubter among them.

He does not care if they only know a percent of the whole story. God does, in time God “gets through” to all people who can be saved, and some later than others by resurrections.


[QUOTE who=”pcloadletter”]
Confidence During the Last Days
As Tuesday, Nisan 11, draws to a close, Jesus continues the discussion with his apostles regarding the sign of his presence in Kingdom power and of the end of the system of things. He warns them about chasing after false Christs. Attempts will be made, he says, “to mislead, if possible, even the chosen ones.” But, like farsighted eagles, these chosen ones will gather to where the true spiritual food is to be found, namely, with the true Christ at his invisible presence. They will not be misled and be gathered together to a false Christ.
False Christs can make only a visible appearance. In contrast, Jesus’ presence will be invisible. It will occur during a frightful time in human history, as Jesus says: “The sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light.” Yes, this will be the blackest period of mankind’s existence”



That may be. But it is about the Luke 21:25-28 and Matthew24:29-31 “tribulation of those days” PHASE of the “Great Tribulation” which the GB subverters do not want to elaborate upon because the “tribulation of those days” ENDS on its own into UN 8th King complete world government and it “world peace” signal of 1Thess5:1-3, BEFORE Christa arrives as shown in Matt24:29-31.

They do not want to explain why it ends on its own, BEFORE Christa arrives, because it ends into world government first.

The Luke 21 “lights” in which “signs” are seen BEFORE Matthew 24:29-31 occurs, is the exposure of globalist activity towards world government from the system itself; another thing the GB will not elaborate on, because they have to hide the fact of world government completing.

Recently they mentioned Matthew 24:29-31 to re-impress this misleading interpretation of celestial events, like 2013 or so. Before that they did not mention Matthew24:29-31 for a full ten years, they are sweeping the meaning of the “tribulation of those days” under the rug.

The “tribulation of those days” is the “sword stroke” containing period coming up which will “heal” into world government. World government is what triggers Christ arrival, the “tribulation of those days”, as noted in the prophecy, must END ON ITS OWN [[[BEFORE]]] Christ arrives.

The “tribulation of those days” is engineered by world government is the “problem” period they will “heal” as the “solution” of world government is presented for its final time like 15 years or so from now.

The “tribulation of those days” ends with the parallel 1260 days final warning to manifest BEFORE world government completes when it is most useful to know who it will trigger in God and Christ at that time, not before.

The “tribulation of those days” STARTS with the JW org downfall, as far as timing, as world meltdown phase may start as first four plagues as the Daniel 11:41-43 context into which JW org falls in temple judgment as described and timed in Daniel 8:13-14.

God uses the “tribulation of those days” to “rock the nations” to wake some Haggai 2:7 people up to reality. Christ and God do NOT “cut short” the “tribulation of those days”, it ends on its own into world government who put out the “lights” of the old world order system “sun, moon and stars”.


The Great Tribulation overall continues, because World Government is more dangerous than the “tribulation of those days” that leads to it. The Great Tribulation is “cut short”, and that is how world government “brings many to ruin” DURING a healing “freedom from care” of their final world “peace and security” mantra of world government in Daniel 8:25. They are doing selective depop for some of the world, in systematic manner, while they are healing the place and “giving gifts” of Rev11:10, because the final warning will be ceased (Dan12:11) with the “tribulation of those days” ending.

As per Matthew 24:31, Christ’s FIRST PRIORITY is sheep gathering first, in that same period while he truly “subdues in the midst of his enemies” completing Messianic Kingdom in the complete 8th King World Government face, and doing the Global Sheep Sweep prior to their destruction in which BTG falls first, under world government and “ten horns” authority to aid the “sheep sweep”.


[QUOTE who=”roy”]<quoted text>
[1 Thessalonians 5:15]-But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness


But when? The FAKE “peace and security” coming up? NOPE (2Thess2:1-2) The fake peace and security coming up, is used to give the “doomsday must be next, it is the end brothers!” false impression. (Rev13:3) Instead, the “tribulation of those days” starts.

When that ends, that is when world government completes, that is when they do that “world peace” thing, it is the main mantra of world government. THAT is the real “peace and security” signal.

There cannot be world wars and the end come too:

(Matthew 24:6) . . .YOU are going to hear of wars and reports of wars; see that YOU are not terrified. For these things must take place, but the end is not yet.

There cannot be disorders even and the end come too:

(Luke 21:9) . . .Furthermore, when YOU hear of wars and disorders, do not be terrified. For these things must occur first, but the end does not [occur] immediately.”

So when does the end come? Under 8th King World Government “World Peace” claims of complete world government, that is when “the end” comes for them.

That is why we can invert Christ’s words and know that is the signal particular time, this occurs, NOT before:

(Matthew 24:6 INVERTED) . . .YOU are going to hear of NO wars and reports of wars in WORLD PEACE; see that YOU are not FOOLED. For these things must take place FIRST, AND THAT IS THE END. I WILL THEN ARRIVE.


[QUOTE who=”Analytical7″]Reading the 141 page Submission on Behalf of the Watchtower, and the Organization made this very honest observation of the Commission’s “findings”. Needless to say, I agreed with this paragraph before even reading it:

“The very serious task entrusted to the Commission is not lost upon Jehovah’s Witnesses and for that reason, amongst others, Jehovah’s Witnesses have not sought to criticise any person doing their job. Jehovah’s Witnesses consider, however, that some of the criticisms made by Counsel Assisting go beyond what is necessary to assist the Commission in fulfilling its task or what is required by the Terms of Reference. They appear to be unjustified attacks on Jehovah’s Witnesses as a faith and the individual members thereof. These attacks seem to be the result of misinterpretations of the beliefs and practices of Jehovah’s Witnesses and of the Bible and the law.”

That basically sums up the hearing.[/QUOTE]

The problem Bethel has is verging into Caesar’s authority as private lawmakers in areas which have created abuses within the JW organization. As usual with other orgs, sex abuse is rampant and being covered up and it has been empowered by the private judiciary against Caesar in the GB Supreme Court so to speak.

This will bring more heat, just as it did on Native Americans attempting to define their own sovereignty in a similar way, but different context.

The pedophile investigations will lead to the money laundering phase which is more powerful and swifter in organizational prosecutions and litigation, etc, it will aid the clean sweep of the JW org, which as per 1Pet4:15-16 is in criminal coverup and activity just using the Bible to try to aid the cover story.

The pedophile stuff is just bottom up exposure, the racketeering phase will be swift and top down, and it will be used to finalize the invasion of King North by use of national legal eagles to invade the JW organization with the legal right to do so.

But the crafty billion dollar GB has a couple plans already in place for the JW org takeover, and why we know it is being planned:

1. They will sell the prosecutions as if “persecutions”, and most JWs will be dragged into it and agree with the lie.

2. Overall, they will sell this very serious downturn for the world and JW org as “it is simply the end of the world brothers!”, “get you end of the world signs and now deliver your hard-hitting judgment message, it is all over brothers, thank you.”

But it is not over, the whole 8th King and whole Daniel 2 “immense image” has not arrived, but are only at 7th King point of progress; 8th King world government has to come for the Rev17:12 “one hour” of very short but complete global rule attempt.

As JW org fulfills Daniel 11:41 in the Daniel 11:42-43 global context zenith, as Daniel 8:13-14 and Rev8:3-5, JWs will think for about 3 tears, in 2Thess2:1-2 error, that “the end” has come and that is why God is letting them desolate the JW org at global scale and effectively cancelling the ministry.

But God is doing it because Bethell joined the UN NGO and that is a big no no, but was aided by Dan11:32a GB who did it to secure this desolating “trampling” of Daniel 8:13-14, timed for future proof.

In the meantime, JWs will continue lawless and fooled, the org will go down, and the final prophecy cycle will BEGIN, while JWs think in error it is “the end” which aids the cover-up of the meaning of the JW org downfall as temple judgment.

In time, God will cleanse and recover the Jehovah’s witnesses who can be used for the final warning this is leading to, in reality. (Zech3:1-5; Dan8:14 “right condition”)

Temple Judgment to World Government to Christ Arrival

The JW organization is being setup from within for a downfall to try to silence the finalwarning. (Dan8:12; Dan11:32a) The GB is the tool to do this.


On November 26, 16, pcloadletter wrote:
> [QUOTE who=”BetheljudgmentDan8-14soon”]Ske LOOKED back. The type of energy used
> to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah could not be seen and yet live. There was more
> than humans there that needed to be fully purged. Lot’s wife “saw the light”
> but it was the wrong stuff to let into her eyes, entering her body and
> rendering her into a dehydrated calcified former human instantly. Same thing
> happens when a nuclear flash is witnessed, but not to this degree, a nuke will
> only fry the routine, what Lot’s wife saw “fried” her in total. It was a divine
> angel energy, it had to destroy subterranean modern-Nephilim-like demon-seed
> incubating in the catacombs of Sodom and Gomorrah and some other related
> settlements. It went underground, it turned dirt into liquid glass, it removed
> the problem.
> The lesson is to obey to the exact meaning of the direction of God.[/QUOTE]
> “rendering her into a dehydrated calcified former human instantly.”-
> Do you know if this has anything to do with this [2nd] dictionary definition
> given for the word, “salt”?:
> “any chemical compound formed from the reaction of an acid with a base, with
> all or part of the hydrogen of the acid replaced by a metal or other cation.”
> I assume the dead sea is so salty because it doesn’t have an outlet .but still
> has intermittent input from that stream from the mountains to the west of it?
> But do you think it’s also dissolved ‘salts of sodomites’ after they were
> rendered salt by “seeing the light”, i.e. becoming, briefly,”illuminati”?
> I read there are now pools on the edge of the dead sea with live fish. I don’t
> know if it’s a. true,, or c.significant. But before I mentioned the
> “pnisville” aspects of this forum in the post above yours, I was wondering if
> this “pnisville forum pool” could “become a productive fishery”, with life’s
> water flowing from the throne. [ < Everything sounds like a double -entendre
> these days which maybe is a measurement of the success of the one
> “understanding ambiguous sayings” having exploited that understanding to dumb
> us down, and corrupt us.]
> Absent any other-to me- acceptable theory so far about Gen. 3:15, I still think
> “the woman” is “Jerusalem above”- the loyal angels- and that her seed and the
> serpent’s seed are their offspring in a spiritual sense, and that eve isn’t
> “the woman” referred to there. “Had to become” is interesting to me for what
> it says about the hebrew form of “to become”, however. which otherwise seems to
> be a forbidden secret.
> Hava Nagilah!

Well the whole region has changed, if you look at Google Earth view of the area you can almost see the epicenter. Ezekiel 47 has the literal and symbolic future of the place and the Earth. Since the flood judgments have affected everything in some way.

Yes the “woman” is symbolic, same one in Rev 12, the “crown of 12 stars” is also new there though, so she gives birth after the “promotion” where in stars are angels or angelic orders most likely of the “12” basis of God’s number of administration. Michael is the whole meaning of the “crown” of that “woman” as he was Kinged in God’s Kingdom to Rev4-5 oversee to oversee the Messianic Kingdom BIRTH. But he is subservient to God, of course, hence the “woman” symbol.

But it has only been born, Christ must also assume the “crown” of that Kingdom too, the Messianic Kingdom, and it takes the “Kingdom of the World” in Rev11:15, in full reality of the “administration” (Eph1)

The Messianic Kingdom crowning of Christ (Zech6:9-15; Rev19:11-21) is the one that fulfills the davidic covenent to the full, it is permanent; only Christ can be “son of David”, not God, but only God can be “King of Eternity” so God’s Kingdom, not the Messianic, is the one Christ hands back in 1Cor15:24-28, and how “they will rule as KIng forver and ever” in Rev22, but of course God is King overall.

But these details will go global in the final warning, there are obvious summaries and conclusions that can be made that Bethel stalls on on purpose. (Dan8:12; Dan11:32a) Plus, the world developments to world government will also provide prophecy indications leading to the Christ arrival in also a generic manner, so many people can become aware of what world government is leading to and will trigger.

All stalls and problems with lawless leadership are just the final apostasy signal of Daniel 11:32a. It is too late for Christendom apostate since way back, Daniel 11:32a is the new apostasy out of Bethel.

It cannot simply stay as it is, there are Rev10:5-8 final “good news” “sacred secret” summaries that have to come out as the final totally complete and error removed warning, it is just the final purification and harmonization round, there are only a few key errors the GB is keeping in place to stumble people as per Dan11:32-35, and Dan11:41.

Big events are coming on JW org soon, it will be Daniel 8:13-14, Zech3:1-5, Rev8:2-7, Mal3:1-5 of the final temple judgment purification required prior to the final warning.


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Is this a forecast or diagnose of and from Dr. SOS..?[/QUOTE]

No, it is common knowledge among weapons contractors at the highest rungs of precision energy application.

For example, although WTC did have typical demolition technologies to aid the process, it was a precision energy event from above the towers, that is what turned it all to mostly dust, precise high energy wave application.

If they could do that in 2001, imagine what they can do now and in the next few years. It is exponential in speed of progress as one technological breakthrough is aided by the one being perfected that led to it.

Thus Moscow and Beijing will have plasma based weapons, even ethereal in formation, controlled by space placed computers and drones, essentially right over there heads, just a few miles above there capital cities. All they have to do is turn the Kremlin to dust, to get the surrender leading to full world government, because now no nation will be able or want to resist the NWO power system.

That is why when Christ shows up, it is AFTER world government completes because that period will be more dangerous, but systematically precise, than the world war period that leads up to it; Rev13:3 is what leads to Rev13:15-18.

Like in WW2, a new “big stick” is why Russia, China and Middle East will surrender. They will start the BTG process of deposition on the “Islam Departement of Harlotry”. Christendom Harlot Department is the main religious salesman of world government, so they go down last.

It does not take Daniel or Sherlock Holmes to now deduce these things. The poor forces of world government, as world ruling powerful as it is to man, will soon face a seven layers 1000 trillion angel squadron covering every square mile of planet Earth. So yes, it is “crazy”, atleast to them, but it is the reality in store for the contenders to Christ’s world rulership throne as King of kings, and there is no other on this planet or any other.

HE will demolish NATO like a rotten egg under a steel boot and mash them to the magma of Earth.

Crazy alright. (Rev6:17)


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What do you mean by this?


There is a lot of cnp in this thread. Stuff derived from Plato during the neo-platonic transition into Catholic system “theology”, it is also hybridized in the same manner.

The reading of the trinity into the Bible came later, after that 1800 years of synergizing from Plato took place, so even before the “clipboard” there is Plato Trinity DNA “transcribed” into the whole “Trinity” development which is actually quite elaborate. That is why Greek Philosophy merges into Church Philosophy in the local research library Dewey Decimal system bookshelves, they are literally side by side sections in libraries having these sections because that is how they actually developed, first Plato’s “Trinity” THEN Chruch “Trinity” in that order.

Some continuums have developmental histories that are reflected in the order in the library in which they are now organized. Plato was a philo-spiritualist who derived knowledge from the demons, so I would not trust the things derived from such a source.

That is why things like the Chaldean Oracles and the Protocols of the Delphic Oracle are also derived from Plato’s principles, because Plato was an expert of demon incantation as a “scientific process” he codified, he also influenced all modern black magic rituals in contacting the demon world.

Plato is very important to modern wizardy, he is the Father of Modern Incantation which is often hexameter in construction, “hexameter verses” of demon calls and chants.

Of course, most people know none of this. But then again Satan is not going to knock on your forehead to see if you will let him in, he is going to sneak in like a snake. He slithers in through the tunnels to the brain called the eyes and ears. The churches are controlled by Satan, as is JW org, of course none of the duped will perceive this, for Satan is well beyond their ability to avoid his capture, he is the hunter, they are the prey.

They don’t even see one one red flag waving in their very faces, for the most part. Many are called, but few can escape Satan. Same principle.


[QUOTE who=”Tony Price 77″]<quoted text>

Yeah… but how much time could have passed from the creation of Adam until the creation of Eve… in which the Watchtower Society DEFINITELY said would be the same time as the end of the 7000 year old ‘sixth’ day… and which would correspond to the the beginning of the 7000th year of God’s rest day and which ends with the thousand year reign of Christ(or the 7000th year of the God’s rest day). Where the other 6000 years of the God’s rest day started after Eve was created:

<<Does this mean, then, that mankind has not reached 6,000 years into the 7,000-year period that God ‘blessed and made sacred’ as his great ‘rest day’?….

(The Watchtower, 10-1-75, p. 579)

Does your head hurt yet? But according to the WTS, it’s still been 42 years and counting since Eve was created after Adam was created 6000 years ago from the autumn of 1975 in the year 4026. But 42 years? Really?


But, keep in mind, you have to subtract 20 years for all dates before 537 BCE in the Bethel “time machine” theology. To keep the erred 607 BCE Jerusalem destruction even-time correlation, ALL pre 537 BCE dates on the JW calendar have that same inserted “20 year” injection.

At least the math is easy now, just subtract 20 from all pre 537 BCE dates in JW pubs, and you get the same ball park as Albright and Issac Newton and other known chronologists.

I call it the JW 20 year Ripple Effect. It is applied in that manner to all JW dates prior to 537 BCE which had to be inserted to make the 607 BCE thing work, for the real 586 BCE event, hence that ballpark 20 year glitch in those pre 537 BCE dates consistent all Bethel chronology before that date.

After that 537 BCE and including it, JWs return to chronological reality. SO even in 1975, that 20 years was too soon in the calculation due to this “glitch” imposed by the Bethel Time Machine Keepers.

It may be worse than that, for example here are the guesses at the rule of King David:

Albright 1000 B.C.E
Galil 1010 B.C.E
Kitchen 1010 B.C.E
WT 1077 B.C.E

As you may be aware though, secular creation dates hit aound 4000 BCE, WT at 4026 with that 20 year insertion.

But since the secular chronologies boil down to 10 year differences especially before 537 BCE as well, it is probably pretty accurate. That 20 year glitch “all of a sudden” occurring in 607 BCE is therefore, suspect. There has been no real chronology problem with Albright and Thiele and others, including Newton’s revisions, until the Bethel “20 year glitch” surfaced.

But it is just an event-time correlation error, according to secular “gentile times” 607 BCE would be the Nebuchadnezzar crown-prince-to-King-of-Babylon event date anyways, making 607 BCE to 1914 CE VALID any way you try to cut it. Babylon had 70 years to destruction date, or the real first “seven times”. All’s good.

But because it is a gentile time as Daniel 4 bases it on King Neb, the secular consistency is what JWs will, in time, have to adjust to, it still keeps the 607-1914 connection which cannot be undone anyways.

All Bethel did was interject an unneeded stumbling controversy by stubbornly refusing to adjust to the gentile chronology, preferring the “20 year glitch” fantasy.


[QUOTE who=”Veritas 69″]To the Readers and even the Lurkers out there!

Here is the best explanation and description I have found on organisations and the Watchtower Society are without any doubt an exception.

William Brown, an English M.P. 1887 – 1960 had some interesting things to say about ‘organizations’ of any sorts.Â

Whether the organization be political, religious or social is immaterial to my present argument. The point is that, the idea having embodied itself in organization, the organization then proceeds gradually to slay the idea which gave it birth… In the case of a religious organization, it’s message will crystallize into a creed.Â

Before long, the principal concern of the church will be to sustain itself as an organization. To this end, any departure from the creed must be controverted and, if necessary suppressed as heresy. In a few score or few hundred years what was conceived as a vehicle of a new and higher truth has become a prison for the souls of men.Â

The organization develops a self interest which has no connection with, and becomes inimical to the idea with which it began…

And IronicallyÂ

Beware of “organization” It is wholly unnecessary. The Bible rules will be the only rules you will need. Do not seek to bind others’ consciences, and do not permit others to bind yours. Believe and obey so far as you can understand God’s Word to-day..Â

(Charles Taze Russell – Watchtower 1895 p 216 )Â

Unfortunately Russell was to change. And the rest, as they say, is history.


That is very true stuff, those guys were on to something.

Russell did not change. The JW org is what took time to transform as Brown stated, Russell was anti-organization all the way to his death. And so was Rutherford. The GB-to-be from 2 years after Rutherford’s 1942 death, began to plot the evolution into organizational idolatry, and it is the basis of their erred rationale for the current JW Daniel 8:13-14 “interpretation”.

They have claimed to be in the “right condition” since 1944 as of 1992. So they have said the way Russell and Rutherford managed the place is what brought the “temple” of the now “JW org” into the implied “wrong condition” by 1938, which is non-sense.

So, as many know most JWs have not a clue on Daniel 8:13-14 because it is very “back burner”, but to the GB architects it is the means they used to justify “theocratic organization” on the one hand, while developing the GB dictatorship on the other hand, but have it all recorded in JW pubs so we can reverse engineer it now, how it is they did this, for they were trying to justify it the whole time.

In reality, they have used Daniel 8:13-14 pretenses to instead bring the post Russell-to-Rutherford JW ministry into the WRONG CONDITION, but at least they recorded how and when they did it:

1944: The Governing Body, UN Allied Apostate Leaders of the Implied “Wrong Condition” of Daniel 8:14

But now that the real Daniel 8:13-14 is about to fulfill, it is very nice how the blasphemers in Bethel, have already paralleled themselves with the key temple judgment prophecy, but deceptively, with that same coming timed prophecy that will trace their removal in the future, and actually bring about the “right condition” in the JW ministry again.

Most people just look at the JW ministry since Russell, and ASSUME it has always been like this, when in reality and as per Daniel 8:12, it has been a very very gradual process to install the final apostasy among JWs.

(Daniel 8:12) 12 And an army itself was gradually given over, together with the constant [feature], because of transgression; and it kept throwing truth to the earth, and it acted and had success.

Obviously, the GB is the subversion development since 1944, that fulfills the above.

Are things REALLY going very good for JWs and the JW “Organ”?

Did you know that other than Islam controversy, JWs are the number one controversial religion on Earth due, not to the “Kingdom message” alone, but due to hypocritical scandals added to the mix now successfully UNDERMINING the message and reproaching God and Christ?

All accidental and just typical religious corruption?


There are now about 10 million people ENGROSSED in the JW scandal and damage control on both sides of the battle lines for all kinds of different reasons.

There are another 10 million paying marginal attention, and another 10 million paying even less attention but they have caught a few things.


See, God is not pleased with this mess. It distracts from Christ’s work and message, plain and simple.

And now that God has a lot of people’s attention by first allowing this to happen in the frist place, read 2Thess2:11-12, NOW he can let the Bethell Timebomb of Sins, Murder, and Child Sacrifice to the Modern Molech Molestors EXPLODE like you aint never seen:

1. An apostate religion implode by divine judgment. (Dan8:13-14)

2. A global context that will quickly be known by many as the “tribulation of those days” PHASE of the “Great Tribulation” starting at global scale in earnest, including the required final world war “sword stroke”= Daniel 11:41 on JW “decoration” and Daniel 11:42-43 globalist financial takeover of the US, EU and the world nation-state system.

3. And ALL of it, even this JW signal apostasy is a PROPHECY ALREADY ACTIVE!

As big as the JW Org downfall will be dragging on the “evening” 3.19 years of Daniel 8:13-14 MINIMUM, it will PALE in comparison to the world war and economic collapse context!


When the smoke clears and what can be used of some Jehovah’s witnesses spared and coming out of the smoke (Rev9) start to emerge to the “morning” of Daniel 8:14,26 REALITY OF THE SITUATION, the global signal attention of the global signal Temple Judgment of Jehovah’s Witnesses will be known by a BILLION people and it will turn into3 BILLION people by these final massive actions of “trampling” the JW “temple” before the eyes of the world, right on CNN in fact.

This ATTENTION is for a reason. It will fulfill Daniel 8:13-14 and Rev8 will be ACTIVATED in the first trumpet temple judgment encapsulated parallel! And the rest of the trumpets 2-4 will give news of the Bethel apostasy and its source!

It will have the initial 3.19 years of 1150 days of Daniel 8:13-14 for proof. It will have the events of Daniel 8:13 and Zech3:1-5 for proof too, and the rest of the prophecy of them seven trumpets will START to be explained and this ministry is CLEANSED and recovered, and God will throw the GB heads on pikes into the fires as the first peace offering to all their victims, the ones still alive screaming for vengeance on them dirty vipers!

The JW Org downfall will be the FINAL CYCLE INCEPT SIGNAL! And it will lead to the final warning and open salvation invitation as the world continues to head towards complete WORLD GOVERNMENT 8TH KING!

THAT is why God has let this sh*tbomb of Bethel HYPOCRISY get as bad as it has:

TO GET YOUR ATTENTION!!!!! for what is to follow.

And to add a few billion people to the list of jaw-dropped onlookers so WE CAN ALL PREPARE for the final events to lead to Christ arrival which shall be triggered by complete world government (Rev13:3; rev17:8-13; Dan11:44-45; Dan8:25) and their final “world peace” pitch to help sell 666 deceptions (1Thess5:1-3) as the final warning must precede that event by 1260 days of that final global warning. (Rev10:5-11; Rev11:1-7)

That is where the desolation of the apostate JW organ is heading.



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They have also found hundreds of graves around that area , so large , that they believe it held a huge population at one time .

and the seeds of food stuffs they have found in these graves , show it was at one time very fertile ,


Thanks; I heard something like that now I recall, so it helps me picture the before and after effects of the Sodom operation. I like Ezekiel 47 which uses some symbology from the area I think, but it gets turned into a paradise and an “everything will be alive” (Eze47:9) situation under Jesus Christ.

God and Christ observe their own principles, they are faithful in least as well as in the biggest things, and a real Kingdom does not forget the little things.

It wouldn’t be a real kingdom of some things “fell through the cracks”.

Nothing “escapes” the “gathering” power of Jesus Christ, because God does not start a life to end it in death. God ALWAYS finishes what He begins. ALWAYS. NOTHING is left out or to chance. NOT ONE ATOM, not one “thing”.

It is all getting “rebooted” as Matthew 19:28 RE-GENESIS, the meaning of “re-creation”. Then some details of the powers of the NEW Creation will also be revealed, and it is all beyond human belief, because NOTHING is “too good to be true” to God Almighty, to Him it is what it is.


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Yeh about that? What if we have already being put on a very different timeline, of which is a far more positive timeline, what then?

The prophecies in the Bible would then have been for the other timeline and not the new one of which we may have been put on.


The RE_GENESIS wording of Matthew 19:28 is a new “timeline” of everything. The universe can be rebooted, and it requires energy input at times, it is not a closed system and entropy is a fabricated simplification.

It means time and “time travel” would be elementary retardation concepts of idiots to God, his form of “time management” knows no limitation whatsoever, time is as irrelevant to him as crossing the universe septillionsxseptillions of times “faster” than the speed of light. It would be instantaneous, he could arrive the nano-second before he left, NONE of it can have a limitation to its inventor.

So the reality is many levels more complex than the most advanced human thinking on the matter, but the human thinking has to have a few truth teeth to even get a grip on the concept. And the “new creation” will be a “world” context that will have to be at least a complex as the angel world and all the physical worlds to even be called a “new creation” in the first place, so it is futile to try to “know it all”, it will have just exponentiated another level of eternity.

We can only know real truth at the rate God allows, the very thing they tried to bypass in Eden, but it cannot be bypassed by ANYONE, including Jesus Christ. There is only one God ALMIGHTY for a reason such as this one.

But it is fun to speculate, but the reality comes with Christ, but patience will still be required, it has to be taken as it had to be taken before one step at a time, there are no shortcuts.

But shortcuts is one of Satan’s main offers, the first one in fact, so we can expect people to still be able to be tested with his offers when they let him out of the brig for a while. Shortcuts, fake-freedom and attempting to create the desire of more than is given is the main basis of the Satanic tests that come under the best of circumstances.

Under optimum conditions, that is the best he has. Under less optimum conditions is when he had to resort to coercion and threat of death. But Satan’s most potent temptations come under the best of circumstances, and those are coming under Christ.

It is up to the being to keep hold of reality. Satan tries to alter the perception of reality to make people play on those temptations. It is how he got himself first. A victim of his own illusion.


[QUOTE who=”FutureMan”]<quoted text>

Yeh about that? What if we have already being put on a very different timeline, of which is a far more positive timeline, what then?

The prophecies in the Bible would then have been for the other timeline and not the new one of which we may have been put on.


One final note. Many now understand the “Hegelian Dialectic”, it is the “problem”=”reaction”=”solution” formula described in many writings, movie plots, stories of life, and so on.

It is described because it works in the social system globally as well. They create a problem for which they already have the intended solution, and they use the public reaction to the problem, to sell them the solution.

So world government as per inverted Matthew24:6 and Luke21:9, will come under positive global conditions of the greatest potential global recovery phase ever known to man backed by that “world peace” statement of 1Thess5:1-3. It manifests in a unique time of “NO wars and reports of wars”, because the formerly sovereign nations will be spent by the preceding world war “sword stroke” “problem” then healing into the world government “solution”.

The global public reaction is “admiration” for the hopeful world government as per Rev13:3, and Rev17:8-13. The national sovereign war phase will have ended, world government will possess 100% global weapons control and they will enforce “world peace” for that purpose of the “solution”.

Thus, “doomsday” is not what will come with the next few years, but it will “as though slaughtered to death” sure look like it, because it makes the “problem” the most severe man has ever faced.

But it resolves into world government which is presented under highly positive, believable and hopeful final circumstances of “let the nations regain power” in “healing” recovery. (Isa41:1; Rev13:3)

It will look like a positive timeline happening, but it is more effective to sell 666 with peace and recovery, rather than war and miseries, it is the “freedom from care” and “peace and security” of 1Thess5:1-3.

But, in that period after world government completes after the final warning is ceased (Dan12:11; Rev11:7-10) Christ arrives anyways, because it is just a ploy to sell 666.

But is positivity will fool many people into 666 acceptance one way (Rev13:3) or the other. (Rev13:15-18)

People like a happy ending, so 8th King world government will give them one, but it will not be what it claims to be, it will be the real end of them.


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The Cry for peace and security does not necessarily mean it is because they have peace it could mean that they want peace because conditions could deteriorate that much on the world scene. People can be seeing this all wrong. The elements seem to be in place for massive conflicts unlike any seen up to this point. It seems the pot is getting intensely hot as the scriptures describe the way it will be during the end. Things are also getting more and more exposed. I think there will never be actual peace and security.

As Christ said AS LONG AS WARS ARE PRESENT=NO END, YET! (Matt24:6; Luke21:9) THAT is a very very important clue. The end comes in a REAL world peace enforced by 8th King 100% weapons control, one-sided.

1. For the fake one to help induce 2Thess2:1-2 thinking, yes you are correct, that is EXACTLY how it will go as you stated, it WILL deteriote into world war Rev13:3 “sword stroke” final cycle.

2. For the World Peace of World Government 8th King completion period it will become as big a news item as world government itself. You will know the real thing, as Jesus stated by inversion, it will be the THE ONE TIME of “NO wars and reports of wars” GLOBALLY KNOWN! (Inverted Matt24:6 situation) Then “the end” can come by inversion of Christ’s clue at Matt24:6.

By that time, JWs will have been judged and recovered and the final warning will be completed so everyone who can comprehend what it means will, by that time JWs will be saying all this stuff for some years by then. It is then the end, not the fake one coming up, it is a bait carrot.

The one coming up is so the final “sword stroke” world war becomes misperceived as “the end” (2thess2:1-2) because JWs and most of Christendom can be affected by that FAKE “peace and security” “must be the end therefore” delusion, thus delaying them from catching on to the reality as long as they can.

As we go along it will become clearer and clearer.

15 years is from Isaiah 38 clue, which has the 3 years sign of Assyrian expulsion from around JW “Jerusalem” as Hos1:4-7, Mic5:6-7, Isa37:30-32.

From the START of the JW org downfall first 3 years phase “evening” of Daniel 8:14,26, JWs will get a 15 years “life extension” so to speak.

But it may include the Daniel 12:11 1290 days, or it may not, so the Christ arrival date is unknown, it can be before or after the 1290 days, we cannot yet know as far as can be seen at this time. Thus, if it included the 1290, Christ arrives 15years-3.5years, or 11 years into it, approx.

God has to get very specific this time, BEFORE all this happens; If JWs wait until after the prophecy fulfills, like before, of course, it would be too late. So this time, we shall all call it BEFORE it happens when people can benefit from the final 1260 day warning.

We can never know the day or hour. But we can know the year and even month. Because of Gen6:3 and 1914 marker, imo, the 15 years will NOT include the 1290, but that may change, it can include it, we don’t know.

It doesn’t matter, once Christ arrives it is over except for the global sheep sweep, and he can take his time, it could include most of the 1290, where Rev11:7-10 merges into as Daniel 12:11 “cease the constant” is the final warning cessation parallel, then “3.5 days death state” THEN

CHRIST ARRIVAL. (Rev11:11-12; Matt24:31 parallel) (It BEGINS Rev14, the final prophecy sequence as a whole vision)

But it is all real, all they have to do now is complete world government and they will open the Lion’s Cage and Christ ain’t going back in once they kick the Lion. WORLD GOVERNMENT is how they kick the Lion aka Jesus Christ, the “Great Eagle” of Rev12:14.

10-15 years is not long at all, it will go by like a week.

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You say Jesus never said he is God…… many times did Jesus said he is the arch angel Michael?


At Malachi 3 he is Angel of the Covenant. We know Gabriel is less powerful from Daniel 8. That leaves only Michael and Penuel, and we know Michael is the one because of Revealtion 12 and the “authority of God’s Christ” exercised in the excision of Satan and the demons from heaven for that first cleansing in 1914.

It is all true, Jehovah’s Witnesses are who they say they are, God’s ONLY sanctioned final warning witnesses, but Christendom INDIVIDUALS can be used, but not as an identifiable group created by God.

THAT is why JWs are the NUMBER 1 target to get inside of and to subvert, because they have the furthest point of Christian progress, and they took Daniel 2,7,8,11-12, Rev13, 17 FARTHER than any religion of Earth by a long shot so we can now track it all to world government as the Christ arrival trigger.

THAT is why they are INSIDE JWs and will attempt to destroy the ministry by deluding JWs into obedience to men hyped up by a FAKE “end of the world” scare coming up for several years as 2Thess2:1-2 in Bethell.

That is why, after the try to crush all Jehovah’s witnesses, he will chastise them, cleanse them, and finish the thing where he started the thing and it will become the FINAL warning leading to world government and the Christ arrival to smash his rival, while sweeping out sheep, at the same time, as per Ps110.

Jehovah’s witnesses are who kept Christianity alive up to 1969, but soon turned into a GB man show distracted stall too. But they could not stop the 1870 to 1969 progress when Fred Franz wrapped up the first fulfillment cycle understanding of Revelation, which has a second cycle, for the second witness.

Now that coming Revelation cycle will repeat the main framework of the first, but in trumpet/plague 1-7 exact order. We will soon see the plagues poured onto the US system, as they haul 30 million people to the neo-nazi US FEMA system prisons, all already empowered by post-911 US Congressional Law and all built and ready to go, we just need the collapse and world war to start the engines.

But God will furnish the “second witnessing” of the TWO witnesses, as he did the first, and it will have to use Jehovah’s witnesses and the final anointed Christian batch left, to “gitterdone”, then world government comes, then Christ arrives to wipe it out, while saving the sheep, plain and simple, full fair warning prior to it all, out of the mouth of Jehovah’s witnesses, AGAIN:

(Revelation 10:11) . . .And they say to me: “You must prophesy AGAIN with regard to peoples and nations and tongues and many kings.”

But JWs have been Daniel 8:12 and 11:32a SUBVERTED, so they think they are all done, but they have been misled, But the Destroyer will get them back on track through the fire of Zech3:2, Rev8:3-5, Isa6:6-9.

THAT is what the JW org and JW “trampling” and Zech11,13:7 “scattering” of the “flock meant for the killing” will lead to, the Angel of God kicking the cave of robbers and the enemy subverters and trappers OUT of the Temple environment where they have “slipped in” in the GB to trap JWs for FEMA, and to have JWs show up on their own dime “obeying the JW Org as crazy as it may sound from a human or strategic standpoint”. (WT11/15/13 pg. 20, par 17, #3)

The goal is to prematurely cancel the JW ministry, and imprison and kill as many JWs as they can, 3.19 years permitted by God as Daniel 8:13-14.

Then the globalist intel ops get to taste some Destroyer stealth fire of the FURNACE ANGEL of God:

(Isaiah 31:9) . . .And his own crag will pass away out of sheer fright (Rev8:9), and because of the signal his princes must be terrified,” is the utterance of Jehovah, whose light is in Zion and whose furnace is in Jerusalem. (Hos1:4-7; Isa37:30-32)

Globalist “Assyrian” intel left alive will flee with sopping shorts and slippery shoes.


[QUOTE who=”GreatSouthbay4040″]<quoted text> Someone shared with me regarding fleshly Jewish plans to rebuild the ancient temple. There is currently a mosque on that site that Muslims the world over revere. If Israeli plans tske root and they were to tear down that mosque. All hell wpuld brake loose. Sobering times, indeed.

What does the bible say? “Jehovah will put his one thought” for the world powers to destroy Babylon the Great.


They will depose Islam before, or as that happens. Islam going down serves a few purposes:

1. BTG first department is taken out, and gives the decoy Israel and “Christian Crusade” the appearance of the big victory so they can sell everyone 666 world government.

2. It ends of the world war in its religious conflict sector, so the destruction of Islam door-to-door by Global NATO will look like a real step to “world peace” under “world government”.

3. Russia and China’s full surrender to the real King North 8th King globalist world government military system will furnish the full end of the coming world war, and then they can highlight world government as the solution, and all nations will have joined fully, as per Rev17:11-15, then Rev17:15-18 completes and they then destroy all global religions under world government authority, as “Scarlet Wildbeast” finally totally complete.


World government is the whole Daniel 2 “immense image” totality, it is King North, it is the King Fierce, it is the whole 4th beast of Daniel 7, it all converges into ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT.

THEN, Christ arrives.

Islam is the first BTG “harlot” to be destroyed in full, before the eyes of all. Christendom “harlot” has to first sell the complete world government that will then also destroy Christendom, to the full, before the eyes of all. (Rev14:6-8)

This has to go all the way.


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Why could Michael even say get behind me Satan in Jude…….yet Jesus had all that authority yet Michael didnt


He said “may Yahweh rebuke you”. Judes point was, though being a “glorious one” he still did not speak abusively and gave God his rightful position of rebuker.

At the temple arrival 2.0, when Jesus was King designate, the first thing he said was:

(John 12:31) . . .Now there is a judging of this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out.

That preceded Christ’s death, that is when he got “all authority”. When he was Michael in the dispute with Satan over Moses’ body, he was still the Archangel, but not the authority he was after mission accomplished.

The context fo Jude was to show Michael is humble:

(Jude 8-10) In like manner, notwithstanding, these men, too, indulging in dreams, are defiling the flesh and disregarding lordship and speaking abusively of glorious ones. 9 But when Michael the archangel had a difference with the Devil and was disputing about Moses’ body, he did not dare to bring a judgment against him in abusive terms, but said: “May Jehovah rebuke you.” 10 Yet these [men] are speaking abusively of all the things they really do not know; but all the things that they do understand naturally like the unreasoning animals, in these things they go on corrupting themselves.

The latest Jude 4 “slipped in” fakes fulfilling the above “these men” is the GB, like their Clergy Mother Harlot.

But God dispatches Christ as King Destroyer to “rebuke” the GB, and you will see it, as will the whole world, they shall be exterminated as the “man of lawlessness” “in the temple”.

That is sure to come, or JWs would all be destroyed, the GB has to go.

They are so Satanic, JWs do not even notice the GB is from Satan as per 2Thess2:3-4,9. Well, some JWs are catching on, because the exposure of GB criminal activity, UN NGO, etc, is the initial “revealing of the lawless one”. When Christ comes to the temple this second time, he will do away with them, but their Christendom “man of lawlessness” clergy brother, is done away with under world government.

The JW judgment is for a global signal, to wake people up with a “you are here” arrow in prophecy.


The trick to the Rev7 “four winds” is at Matthew 24:31 where Christ’s words give the Rev7 context clue in that “from the four winds”, it is not a redundancy; every word of Christ has a distinct meaning for Rev1:1.

The “four winds” occurs in the complete world government Rev11,14,17,18 “one hour”, “in that hour”, which is under 100% complete 8th King world government and its final “depopulation” agenda going forth as Daniel 8:25 “bring many to ruin” where in the “freedom from care” is the same as the 1Thess5:1-3 “peace and security” of the final “world peace” of WORLD GOVERNMENT. (Dan11:44-45)

As we see in Matthew24:29-31, the “tribulation of those days” resolves on its own BEFORE Christ arrives, it is NOT the “great tribulation” zenith of Matthew 24:21-22 which is CUT SHORT AFTER Christ arrives. But you could view the “tribulation of those days” as Phase 1 of 2 of the “great tribulation” as the “totd” resolves into world government as the parallel of the Rev13:3 “sword stroke” of this final world war coming, “healing” BEFORE “the judgment” as per Isaiah 41:1.

THAT is the “four winds” parallel his angels Rev14:6-8,14-16 gather the final sheep from in the ps100:2 face of a complete world government he will then also wipe off the face of planet Earth.

THAT is how EVERY WORD from God and Christ have exact final meaning. (Rev1:1)

JW org will be “desolated” initial 3.19 years minimum as Daniel 8:13-14 (Rev8:1-8) (in Dan11:41-43 context), and the GB will be destroyed (Zech3:1-5) by God on CNN, soon, next, and first (1Pet4:17), and from that signal final “temple judgment” a final warning 1260 days will come forth which will thoroughly explain all this from the mouths of all who can understand it is Rev10:11 requirement to “prophesy again”, the final time of Rev9-11.

We hope to SEE you come game day, until then, agape.

Your Brother for the Kingdom in Christ the coming Universal King

[QUOTE who=”Thirdwitness”]So who is the image of the wild beast?[/QUOTE]


The UN is just the “executive branch” for “international law” now “enforced” by consent only. When the Daniel 11:42-43 WEALTH CONTROL SECTOR and the Joel3:9-12; Rev16:13-16 GLOBALIZED MILITARY SECTOR complete as this world war coming up ends and “heals the sword stroke” begins, that “international law” will be enforced by Rev13:15-18 FORCE.

That is the real KING in “8th King”; Until then the UN is just the “image” of wildbeast/8thKing, not the whole thing yet.

King South is not “destroyed” it “remains a short while” as the 7th King also the same entity, not destroyed, but made “Egypt” “SHE will not prove to be an escapee” pawned world government “united nations” meaning, vassal system. Thus the 8th King WORLD GOVERNMENT rules “not by his own power”, but by subservient “old world order” nations being re-aligned into UN “new world order” King North meaning as all prophecy like the nations it describes, CONVERGES into ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT.

UNTIL the UN achieves all “power and authority” on all of planet Earth, and they will, it is just an image. But in world government, it is the zenith symbol of the zenith “image” as the global center of the international executive branch global forum of a COMPLETE WORLD GOVERNMENT system.

Then it is IMAGE and WILDBEAST 8th King TOTALITY, the WHOLE Daniel 2 “immense image”, King North, King Fierce and the mature world government of the 4th beast of Daniel 7. It is based on the whole Rev13 “wild beast from the sea” of the national “old world order” system NOW complete, the “Scarlet Wild beast” is the same structure, it has not yet become the 8th King, only an “image” of it in the UN, but when it does and the ALL THE NATIONS, ALL OF THEM, “give their [national] kingdom” when they “give [ALL] their power and authority” to the Scarlet Wild beast 8th, and final, KING in completion, then it is a complete WHOLE. (Rev17:11-18)

It is not an “8th head”, it is THE WHOLE THING!


The Big Signal to All!!! And it will run the full course, it will get it God decreed “one hour” of a very short, but complete rule, as Christ arrives into its completion to offer the big divine blazing retort, whilst sweeping sheep out of the battle zone of planet Earth “in the midst of his ENEMIES” but in one WHOLE ENEMY.

What is comign up is just the world war final “sword stroke” that HEALS into all that described above, the antions will be ruled by world government, not by consent alone, but also by force against any dissension and it will be neutralized because world government, by then, will be the only “solution” as it orchestrated this from Satan to become such to all the nations pawned by this since 1914 and WW1 processes of repeated world wars, WW1, WW2, uniquely different (Dan11:29) Cold WW3, and this final one; All 4 world wars end in a UN presentation in 1919, 1945, 1990 and the last one is:


THAT is why at Revelation 10:5-8 God SWEARS the whole Revelation, the whole “sacred secret” will be SUMMARIZED TO THE FULL [[BEFORE]] WORLD GOVERNMENT COMPLETES so that many can take advantage of the final warning, to emerge, from the coming Daniel 8:13-14 TIMED temple judgment of Jehovah’s witnesses and the “trampling” of Bethell and the JW org, for 3.19 years, 1150 days, minimum “the evening” phase of the temple judgment, the accounting, and purification desolation “fires” of Rev8:1-8, and Zech3:2, Isa6:6-9 and Mal3:1-5.

Then the JWs who can make the cut will be in the “right condition” and ready to be commissioned after Rev9 recovery, into the Rev10:-11:1-7 FINAL 1260 days warning, witnessing 2, “second witness” of the TWO witnesses.

1260 days (1914-1918) + 1260 days FUTURE = 2520 days, and why the “seven times” as 2520 DAYS began in 1914, as the “seven times” 2520 years ended. It is no accident, it is Rev1:1

Revelation “two witnesses” is also “seven times” warning permission, but as 2520 days, 1260 days TWO TIMES, and that will be all there is.

Babylon the Great is deposed under both world government, and Christ arrived to render the “court” judgment of Daniel 7:26, parallel Daniel 12:11 1290 days in its initial activation. Dan12:11 is post 1260 days, defined by the Revelation 11:7-10 “kill the two witnesses” “remove the constant” which is the cessation of that final warning (and the 3.5 day final elapsed “time” prior to Christ arrival), THEN is the Christ arrival in the face of complete world government, and the BTG liberation by “Cyrus” to free up the last of who can be saved who are by then in dwindling religious power, but there are still some stuck in BTG prison, are then also “set free”.


It is NOT a lump sum destruction to be a prisoner of BTG anymore than it was in Babylon when the typical Cyrus freed everyone.

Same thing, hence “Babylon”, but “the Great”, the big emancipation as well by Christ; Then he wipes out the 8th King. (Rev19:11-21)


[QUOTE who=”Newtonian”]
Of course, the point you are trying to make is that the temple in these accounts does not mean
a literal building…

On such a note as that, there is only a couple references to the JW org in prophecy, but it is there, and it aint looking too good in the prophecy of Daniel 11:30-31a, and Daniel 8:11:

In the meantime, GB are doing a blasphemy, as if Christ stands in Revelation 14 on the JW org “Zion”, the oh so holy UN NGO JW org.



But in the Bible, there are 3 direct reference to the JW organization as “established place”, “fortress” and “fortified place”, JEHOVAH”S ORGANIZATION in modern context, but then again he owns everything. (Hag2:8)

The prophecy references to the JW org are a bit ominous though because it is coming up in Daniel 8:13-14 future events and proof timing:

(Daniel 8:11) the ESTABLISHED PLACE of his sanctuary was thrown down…

And why is JWorg to be “thrown down”?

(Daniel 11:30-31) “And he will actually go back and hurl denunciations against the holy covenant and act effectively; and he will have to go back and will give consideration to those leaving the holy covenant. 31 And there will be arms that will stand up, proceeding from him; and they will actually profane the sanctuary, THE FORTRESS, and remove the constant [feature].

Correct, the “established place” and the “fortress” are symbols of the JW mundane device of physical and administrative agency to announce the good news to the furthest point an anointed Christain group has taken it so far.

That is correct a spiritual enemy has “stood up” inside the “fortress” and they are now PROFANING THE FORTRESS and “acting effectively” and “acted and had success” of Daniel 8:12, they have Daniel 11:32a successfully misled JWs into a final apostasy. Yep!

That is correct, JW org is also “profaned”, and by lawlessness, scandal, reproach and UN NGO the “constant feature” of Jehovah’s witnesses is no longer acceptable to God Almighty or to Christ the mediator; (Zech3:1-3) NOPE!

And in Daniel 8:13-14 it is the “sanctuary” that must be cleansed, not the “fortress”. But, we have some hope:

(Nahum 2:1) . . .One that does a scattering has come up before your face. Let there be a safeguarding of the FORTIFIED PLACE. Watch [the] way. Strengthen [the] hips. Reinforce power very much.

After hell on earth “tramples” the JW apostasy as Daniel 8:13-14 in the future, God may “safeguard the fortress” and emerge with the final warning from the JW org “established place” RUBBLE.

And that is all we can find about the anointed Christian tool we have used, until it went bad, as described in this very ominous prophecy of NOW and future events to befall the “Worldwide Organization of Jehovah’s Witnesses” in the now Matthew 24:15 context JW org, the “apostate Jerusalem” administration of modern GB Pharisees.

They just tell JWs they are “faithful slave”, and “befouled” JWs (Zech3:3) accept that lie. (Rev2:2)

JWs are now the Zechariah 11 “flock meant for the killing”, because the enemy is “in the house” now as per Daniel 8:11-12, and Daniel 11:41, and Daniel 11:32-35.

They are who stumble, test and by miseries “refine” some modern stumbled sheep of Daniel 11:33-35, and that ENDS when Daniel 8:13-14 COMPLETES. When it hits, when it 1Pet4:17 STARTS, the most JWs ever stumbled will occur as Daniel 11:41 zenith, but they have ALREADY “entered the decoration”, and the UN NGO flag flapping at Bethel is modern Matthew 24:15.



Can Bethel Repent? 1 of 4


The PROBLEM with Bethel now, is the 20/20 likes of exposure are now ratcheded up a notch. See, Stone Phillips can’t throw you in prison or fine you 20 billion dollars, but the Queen can.

And that is what a Royal Commission is a little summary for the “small horn” Queen of the Anglo empire. But she is not alone, the “Great Father” in Washington also has caught wind of the stench of dead children now wafting forth from the Bethell floorboards.

THE PROBLEM with Bethel is the “superior authorities” now SEE the root of the evil. Not JWs, but they are going to be affected greatly, but the so-called “Governing Body”. That child sacrificing coven of warlocks called the “Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses” is who are now denying, under oath mind you, they are even “God’s mouthpiece” or that they even “listen to the Watchtower” s they sit as the private corporate system “Supreme Court Justices” who fell their manmade laws can now override Caesar whom they school in court proceedings, as they cloak it all under cover of the Bible which exposes them as the criminal cabal they are.

THE BIGPROBLEM IS, Caesar does not like “judges” telling people what to do, for Caesar knows it is his own job as per Romans 13, so they KNOW (Isa36:10) JWs are actually in transgression against God.

And that is good to know, like Assyria,or Babylon or Rome, once the enemy knows JWs are given to a judgment, they pursue it with zeal until it is accomplished as history plainly attests to that fact, over, and over, and over again.

BETHELL’S PROBLEM is trying to be a private legal system, which is against the law,it is a church mafia is what it is, with all the death, threats, and skims that go with the mob, or the GB Godfathers.

And now, as usual, God is lifting some rafters to reveal dead children’s bones, God is opening the Bethel closet as sheep bones come rattling forth on the floor for ALL, but JWs, to see. So, JWs, like Jews in Matthew 24:15 “apostate this generation” are now aiding CRIMINALS:

(1 Peter 4:15-17) . . .However, let none of YOU suffer as a murderer or a thief or an evildoer or as a busybody in other people’s matters [like the GB, or as a child molester or money laundering con]. 16 But if [he suffers] as a Christian, let him not feel shame, but let him keep on glorifying God in this name. 17 For it is the appointed time for the judgment to start with the house of God. Now if it starts first with us…

So, much suffering is gearing up to be Isa28 poured like a global flashflood tsunami on JWs, with big bad global events to lead to world war, but JWs will in reality not be “suffering as Christians”, nope, Bethell has assured JWs they will be sufferign as accomplices to criminal activity led by the GB based corporate Supreme Court of JW “united nations”.

It will be Daniel 8:13-14, and it is a timed prophecy of 3.19 years of sheer hell on JWs,for all who doubt now, it will prove itself later with that timing and its anti-JW-whorg events.

THEN, minus 50 billion, minus a KH, minus the JW org, JWs will have to stand up and face the reality of this dreadfully catastrophic situation that has been nurtured and enginnered by that fraud Governign Body, since especially 1976.

The GB Experiment is a fail. (Dan11:32a; Zech3:1-3)

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Mid second century (and even before), Modalism got a lot of attention from, and actually infiltrated (see Hippolytus “Refutation” or “Against Heresies” Book 9 on-wards) mainstream Christianity. It (Modalism) took center stage for the whole of next century and a half (= mid second through third to the start of the fourth) i.e. constant talk of Sabellius, Paul of Samosata etc.

Meanwhile, the quasi-material, and old school Philosophic concept of “substance” was experimented with by some, as a possible way of fusing (and REDUCING) two IDENTIT-IES into/as one IDENTITY (two gods into/as one god).

This idea took hold.

If they could use (appropriate) this as a way to REDUCE two who are called gods into/as one god (two IDENTIT-IES into/as one IDENTITY), then that would (perhaps) stop the Pagans from accusing them of poly-theism.

Therein, lies the whole “mystery”.

Union by confusion (badly/imperfectly designed confusion) = does not originate with God!


Good point. Thanks, it makes the defense for monotheism as a motive an interesting “good intentions” forerunner for this whole ancient mess.

It has been a long battle. And it makes sense Christ completes the ministry he started (Matt10:23) so it will take his rule to really unify everything, in the meantime the sword of controversy has at least kept people focused on Christ even if in ignorance.

Because Revelation 14:6-8 has not fulfilled yet, and when it does humans have NOTHING to do with that angel backed off, at least to the extent every savable human will get that final open salvation offer as per Romans 2 certain principle.

So it is a long battle, but every chink in the armour will be worth it, The Great Teacher has to arrive to really sort this mess out, and by virtue of his “purchasing power” he can do whatever he wants in that “11th hour” which is also yet to occur in its final form. (Matt22:1-14)

If he expended himself to the death to save, he will surpass that effort to exercise that power at Armageddon. (1John2:2)

the “good news” really is “great news”. And it is not done. Christ completes his own ministry in person, but as the Mighty God and Eternal Father day one.


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No one should presume to know what will take place. Things can go in a different way according to how God wants it to go to fulfill HIS words.. Your methodology is very presumptuous.. No one should claim to know how things WILL go down. My point was that things could have already happened from God’s point of view and we might be missing what happened because of our lack of perception from a spiritual POV. There is a reason why the Bible says not even angels know when Jehovah’s Day will come. That said what we can see is the Disgusting thing causing desolation and it is doing it’s thing. That is all we need to know. Next it’s peace and security is it being said now with the Agenda 2030? Maybe but even then we really do not know for sure. I cannot say for sure it IS happening but it could be the case. My point we cannot say for certainty what exactly is the situation from God’s POV. He can pause things any time he wants or speed it up. Ultimately it is ALL up to HIM. Our speculating and presuming to know what this or that means is merely guessing and maybe even dangerous. [/QUOTE]


That recipe is for you, not I. If you want to be misled by the lawless one at Bethel, you are free to do so and ignore the early revelation.

My POV is from Revelation 1:1:

(Revelation 1:1) . . .A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. . . .

Slaves of Christ KNOW the “things that must shortly take place”, slaves of the GB do not, very simple. (Indeed, JWs have missed plenty, you are correct.)

We know these things because God’s Prophecy tells us where we are in the indications of the events leading to Christ arrival, which you presume is just “presumption”, when it is you assuming such.

We do not need to know the “day or the hour”, because we can know the year and the month from Genesis 6:3 and 1914 for the year 2034, and the month being Nisan, a no brainer.

What we cannot know is here the 1260 days to 1290 days is tangent with 2034, at the 1260 or the 1290, but it does not matter, it appears to be the 1290,but even if it was the 1260, the last “week” as per Genesis 7 and Daniel 9:27 is open for salvation, the “week” composed of the 1260 and the 1290.



(Genesis 6:3) After that Jehovah said: “My spirit shall not act toward man indefinitely in that he is also flesh. Accordingly his days shall amount to a hundred and twenty years.”

Just start that 120 years maximum from 1914 as Christ said it would be “as the days of Noah were so too the presence of the Son of Man shall be”.

It is no accident Genesis 7:4 has this to say for the last week of the 120 years:

(Genesis 7:4) For in just seven days more I am making it rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and I will wipe every existing thing that I have made off the surface of the ground.”

Because it is this “week”:

(Daniel 9:27) “And he must keep [the] covenant in force for the many for one week; and at the half of the week he will cause sacrifice and gift offering to cease.

The “half of the week” is the 1260 day terminus into the 1290, Christ arrives in the early part of the 1290 to activate the START of Rev14, so the whole “week” is open for salvation.

That is how we take what Fred Franz harmonized for the “first witness” to know where we are. Today’s JWs are very out of study, they have been dumbed down by the GB very very severely. Old school JWs would catch on to what was just said very easily, because up to 1980 they were taught to study the depth of Fred Franz stuff.

Not so today, and that is why you slumber on hoping in what you are offering as an alternative view, which is just that taught by the GB “lawless one”, so you can suit yourself, God will depose them anyways and all this must come out anyways, later.

There is plenty of time for God to beat you with strokes, since words do not work, and JWs have not kept up with the “first witnessing” to know it like the back of their hand; too busy on their knees to the GB man of lawlessness who now packs penises in JW publication quite regularly.

If that is good enough for you, well what more can be said right?


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I want to commend you

You have taken Sidge on and reminded him to be gentle and kind with people ..

You are correct and I support you .,,we all need to be reminded of this …

and we should appreciate brave men like yourself .[/QUOTE]

Well don’t take this the wrong way, we all have things to work on, but your spirit is LIGHT YEARS ahead of us. Now I know God gave me knowledge for a thing to come after JW org is desolated, I know that, no boast because it comes with no pat on the back from people.

But I feel you really have Christ’s loving spirit IN you, and he will “finish our training”, so we all have much more to learn and apply.

But your words are pretty indicative the faith has gotten in deep into you. Agape, I mean it, and don’t think you are standing lest a fall awaits, and just keep on doing what it is you do, because it is JESUS CHRIST doing it when love and mildness, yet truth and justice, is the obvious import of the words.

Maybe in the beginning, I was not quite sure about you, but so what, who am I anyways, but after a couple thousand more “little lamb” baahhhhs, I fell you are advanced in the holy spirit and there is nothing to separate you from Christ, or God and Christ from you.

(Romans 8:35-39) Who will separate us from the love of the Christ? Will tribulation or distress or persecution or hunger or nakedness or danger or sword? 36 Just as it is written: “For your sake we are being put to death all day long, we have been accounted as sheep for slaughtering.” 37 To the contrary, in all these things we are coming off completely victorious through him that loved us. 38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life nor angels nor governments nor things now here nor things to come nor powers 39 nor height nor depth nor any other creation will be able to separate us from God’s love that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

But if that is true, as I a man think it is, satan will try to “sift you as wheat”, the more faith we have, the more we may be tested. RELY on God and Christ and the victory is in them.

Now what is said about Bethel and Dan8:13-14 is the truth, it will happen. After that there has to be a fully summarized final warning to all involved including poor King North. Plus, as Christ said at Matt24:6, and Luke 21:9 AS LONG AS there are wars and disorders in the world, the end CANNOT arrive at that time; THAT is a very very important clue.

But it will get globally clear when that initial “evening” part of Dan8:14.26 passes, there is much more yet to do. So, never get complacent, always think:

(Matthew 24:13-14) 13 But he that has endured to the end is the one that will be saved.

That is why that above, precedes this below:

14 And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

The good news fully “preached” will Rev10:5-11 wrap up AFTER that final warning is given, and even if it re-emerges in the pace of worst reproach, the JW elitism will not, it will be a BROAD OPEN SALVATION CALL, it will NOT become a religious tribal ritual. GUARANTEED!

When God back it, it will become the greatest witness ever given since Christ and him sparking up the first century Christian wave. It will be 1914-1918 “first witness” X 10000000000 in impact, and very short, “little scroll” but high impact, Messianic Kingdom completion message.

JW org IMPLOSIONS gets the global preparatory super-attention to aid what comes rolling out over the JW org roadkill.

ALL will see Bethell reap what it is they ACTUALLY have been sowing, EVERYONE; it will be on CNN too boot, it will become a weird spectacle, BUT it will serve its purpose to get the required global attention on JWs for what will come out after JW org is “trampled” as Daniel 8:13-14, timed for proof verification too boot.


[QUOTE who=”MITCHELL in Wisconsin “]<quoted text>

I enjoy your gentleness that you have with people..
I wish more people were like you..
Have a great day….[/QUOTE]

Wait a minute, I think you hit the wrong reply avatar. LOL

Well thanks, I try to NOW look for points of agreement as head butting was fun, but gets no where.

In 2010 or so I was “10 West”, and I was at first sensitive because forums are like getting a door slammed in your face 1000 times, the words here or JWN, can get nasty, until you learn to do the water-on-the-duck thing. LOL

So, I got nasty a couple times to the point I felt ashamed and changed out from10West, for I felt it had become a stumbling record, NOT what I originally set out to do, in the days “preaching on the web” was a “taboo” supposedly.

In time I came to realize why the evil GB cuts off this “territory” from f JWs, they want a one sided stumble suite with their scandals with no competition. And they want to cut off JWs from the web, 2 billion people and growing, JWs cannot come into Digital-ChinaX2, nope.

The GB is truly from Satan is prophecy. Cunning, slippery, diametric claims, UN wankers, child sacrifice, the whole nine yards.

But JW org is not getting away with it. So I know this from the Daniel 8 and 11 prophecy of modern times the GB tries like hades to subvert and close off from modern globalization and UN NGO examinations.

So I just try to tell people NOW, what JW org going down LATER, will end up meaning, it is for a purpose that turns very positive, in spite of the child-killer modern GB, Jehovah is out to get them, and get them he shall.

And they will scoop some of them GB slobs out with a snowshovel and WD40 and hot mops, after heavy fire extinguishing on their smoking meat BBQ corpses. (Destroyer is paying them a direct visit; Isa66:6; Isa31:8-9; Mic5:6-7; Isa37; Hos1:4-7; Zech3:4-5; Rev8:3-5,7; Rev9:1-4; Zech9:8; Matt22:1-14; Isa28; Mal3:1-5)

Now when ONE EVENT has like 10 scriptural guarantees like that one does, IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN and with 10 times the in the face force on that rotten GB criminal cabal from day one, 1971-76.

So it couldn’t happen to nicer guys.

But it is to lead somewhere very interesting. And most people are not what the GB are, and they are trying their darndest to make JWs as bad as they are. But the whole thing is a prophecy specific at Daniel 8:11-13, Dan11:30b-35, and in general at Zech3:1-3, 2Thess2:1-12, so the GB “good news” is they are out final signal apostasy right where we are to look: “IN the temple of the God”. (2Thess2:1-4)

And JWs have bought that premature “it must now be the end of the world brothers!” of 2Thess2:1-2, further proof who the GB is, and now when JWs see Bethel judged by God, they will mistakenly think as per the “self-fulfilling GB prophecy” “the lie”, that instead, it is “the end everyone!!!!”.

It is a covering delusion exit strategy of the GB Devil globalist intel cell.

So, even JWs will buy that for a couple years, until, of course, only Beth Hell JW org will have gone down, the world just plods on through another world war “sword stroke” to yep, “heal” into that old “world government” thingy instead, but that takes several more years. (Rev13:3)

(It will take some time for JWs to catch on to the fact, the knife in their back has GB prints all over it. They will have broken hearts because that is what happens when you trust evil men like the GB “son of destruction”)

So JWs will have get up (Zech4:1; Rev11:1) to put up and shut up, get over it, and start to consider the ONLY other option: Repent and get with the Rev10:5-11 program final warning for God’s sake!

JWs are a classic “asleep on the guard”, that Watchtower is full of “guards” drunk on GB moonshine, plain and simple, dead asleep. But unlike Rip Van Winkle, JWs have been asleep easily 30 years now!!!!! It has been 40 years of GB tyranny, that is why. (Rev8:10-11, 12)


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Do you not believe the scriptures? Can’t you understand what they are saying?

It was an ANGEL that gave the PROOF. The ANGEL did not say to Mary that another ANGEL, known as “Michael the Arch angel, she would give birth to.

Luke 1: 26-31
“You will become pregnant , and give birth to a SON, and name him Jesus.

THE Holy Spirit (God) is the Father. Mary became pregnant by the Holy Spirit.

Well we are talking about Mary’s baby. She does not give birth to baby angels. But her pre-baby-being came from somewhere, he came from the angel world.


THAT is why GABRIEL made the big announcement!

MICHAEL was temporarily “unavailable” if you know what I mean.

Think if Michael was not about to be conceived in Mary, and thus “unavailable for the moment” that Gabriel is who would have made her the Big God offer? Nope. MICHAEL would have gave Mary the big offer, had he been available to do so.

But we know why Michael was not available, he was being readied for the trip to port Mary.

BUT little old Mary said YES!!!!!!!!!

(Luke 1:38) May it take place with me according to your declaration.

A YES! They needed for her to agree to what was going to happen IF she agreed.

But as it is Gabriel was used, because as you know, Michael was being “delivered” INTO Mary, but by human conception by holy spirit.

So the fact GABRIEL made Mary the Big God Offer of a Lifetime, is a HINT HINT HINT that Michael HAD TO BE “indisposed at that moment”.

Get it yet?

So you made a good point, even if you did not know yet the point you were making.


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ROFLMAO. what stupidity ..

Now , tell us, where in the scriptures does it say Michael the Archangel was not anywhere to be found.? was unavailable? or what he doing?

Why would anyone be concerned of “Where is Michael the Archangel” on ANYTHING that God does?

Does it say where Michael the Archangel IS, when God created the Heavens and the Earth?

What about when Elizabeth was pregnant with John the Baptist, does it say where Michael the Archangel is?

Why would that be a CONCERN of where Michael the Archangel is , to PROVE he was in Mary’s womb.?


Come on. If you can’t put 2 and 2 together then you can’t figure this One out.

Michael would have announced Christ’s coming if not for the fact he is the Chosen One. He “stands up” in Daniel 12:1 where in Daniel ONLY KINGS “stand up” as a term used in the prophecy.

Michael is the Destroyer of Sodom, Egypt and Assyria’s times, the Destroyer is the King in Revelation 9, it is all ONE person, the Archangel being promoted to one of many names, now the Mighty God. He is the epitome of all the powerful and good names God has given him.

I mean, he is only Number One anyways, and God finishes the job where he started the job “in the beginning” of all the worlds, angel and human. Michael the Word Jesus Christ is that “beginning” in which God created all things.

Number 1 in God’s book, God is number 1 in Michael’s book. A perfect Father and Son relationship. Not a neutered “Trinity” which attempts to wash away all that truth.

In the next world under Michael’s Christ authority, kindergartners of Eden’s first lessons will be this subject, it is the natural BEGINNING of all things.

It gives the story ultimate meaning because it is the truth, and the Christians who took it the furthest so far are Jehovah’s witnesses which he named them to announce these latest updates.

For that reason God will also judge JWs first, and it will be Daniel 8:13-14 which will prove itself on a desolated UN NGO JW org as first proof, that Michael is getting very near, but in Earthly will of God the Christ term is now the more updated name for Michael, Michael word is used in heavenly matters, not so much Earth, in things that also deal directly with Satan, the “star” of Numbers 24:17 which is also the star of Rev22:16 which is also the One who crushes Satan’s head to complete Genesis 3:15.

It is all one person God chose, Christened to lead and oversee these tasks at hand. When he comes in again, as Hebrews 1:6, then angels also do obeisance to him.

It is a very special story, one that is now to be here forever and ever. Now we know intimate details of Michael as per Rev1:1, this is an appendix. But more, MORE is on the way to emerge and roll over the JW org roadkill to finish off the scraps of those who caused apostasy (Dan11:32a) as per Rev9.

You just can’t make this stuff up, it has to come from God through the Word Michael. There is no other way.


The nice thing about Topix is there in no referee. There is no such thing as a “Moderator” at Topix, it is just some lines of code.

For this reason guys like Simon at JWN cannot also play GB and kick you out of forums and edit and delete your posts because you said something the cupcake “moderator”, who is the Minister of Truth, does not agree with.

Thus Jehovah God has sanctioned Topix and WordPress who has the same free speech attitudes enough blessings to aid the conduit of updates truths, because contrary to the JW nap, and I really do love those guys and gals, MORE is coming out soon, a complete “little scrolls” worth, the second side of that scroll has to also be pronounced globally.

(Isaiah 48:6-7) You have heard. Behold it all. As for you people, will you not tell [it]? I have made you hear new things from the present time, EVEN THINGS KEPT IN RESERVE, that you have not known. 7 At the present time they must be created, and not from that time, even things that before today you have not heard, that you may not say, ‘Look! I have already known them.’

(Isaiah 42:9) . . .“The first things—here they have come, but new things I am telling out. Before they begin to spring up, I cause you people to hear [them].”

But long ago God packed the outline into all His prophets writings from his spirit so we Revelation 1:1 KNOW “what must shortly take place”.

But the GB is not telling JWs, because they do not know, they are not Christian, they are not anointed, and they are from King North globalists as per Daniel 11:32a, the small horn world government architects of Daniel 8:12 too.

MORE is on the way, after God judges JW org as Daniel 8:13-14, next, soon, and it will affirm itself in its events and timing and 1Peter4:15-17.

Topix aided the process even if they did not know they aided it, by not over policing the place as the rest of the Forums always have a “gatekeeper” who tyrannizes freedom of speech when they read something that is too scary an answer for the questions raised by wandering sheep and people.

Topix is the ultimate door to knock on at this time, it has large internet reach and now an 800 Alexa rank of global webs, so its reach and traffic are GIANT.

Jehovah has sanctioned this here Topix Congregation and he will also judge everyone in this congregation in time, so as Jesus stated the account of the transcripts shall be read in the Judgment Day proceedings. God hears everything.

And they are Rev1:7 on the way.

[QUOTE who=”Secondsonofyosef”]If we interpret the warning “Get out of her, MY people” to be a reference to Jehovah’s witnesses getting out of an apostate organized religion, then BTG and the WTS are connected! Interesting there is some “conspiracy theory” that makes a more direct connection with the “Illuminati” and the WTS available on the internet, not that CT Russell being buried under a seeing-eye pyramid isn’t further indication of a more direct connection.


Others put that pyramid there, not Russell. And it is a deception to discredit him.

The JW org went back to Babylon as per Zech5, etc.

But the “two horned wildbeast” also has an attache’ in the GB, who are from King North, the same overall group of world government engineering.

THAT is why JWs are stalled and speak nothing about modern world government progress.

JWs have the “man of lawlessness” at the Zech3 “right hand” of Joshua, befouling the place.

JWs have the evil slave leading them.

JWs have the Korah and “rich man” class as their GB and elder idols.

JWs joined the “UN System” as UN NGO.

JWs have the “son of destruction” leading them like a Pied Piper.

JWs have the “burning mountain” “crag” of Rev8:9 and Isa31:8-9.

JWs signal Matthew 24:15 is the red flag flapping from the apostate “this generation” at Bthel “Jerusalem”

JWs are the Daniel 11:32a “those” misled into apostasy.

JWs are the “army” “gradually give over” to the “small horn” globalist subversion.

Beth Hell is the “city of murder” in Matthew22:1-14.

Isaiah 28 is the Bethel UN NGO “covenant with death”

The GB “board of directors” is a papal device from old Babylon “mystery religion”.

Thus, being back in a GB Warden Babylon the Great dungeon system is just one facet of the JW diamond turned to coal, retrograde progress.

And there are more apostasy describing Bible symbols one could apply to JWs.

Only Daniel 8:13-14 temple judgment can get JWs back to the “right condition”.

Since it was present from 1919 to 1940, THAT is what JWs need to return to. Do what they used to be doing, condemn the GB, and so on.

But, it will take God to gitterdone.


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I’m comfortable and confident to leave my posts stand and allow the reader to be the judge of what I have posted versus what you have.[/QUOTE]

As I said before, evolution is an imprecise term and explanation it has no true empirical data based basis as does physics or chemistry.

You cannot show us math to prove evolution. But at Berkely they can show math for the mechanics of speciation, it is now getting data to prove the theorizations, but is no longer “evolution”, it is the math of creation, a very elementary form of it.

See, the global elites and top academic elites of global level research already KNOW there is a God and that there is a Satan. They KNOW they are given this place a little while longer, and all genetic research is just to attempt a neo-Genesis 6, and to a certain degree they will be permitted some success in that direction.

To these working for Satan, guided by his understanding of creation to the degree he has it, limited by human turnover and imprecise legacy transference, the goal of advanced research and genetics is to control Earth’s life system, control human beings, and try to resist the invasion of Jesus Christ to take over, save sheep, and remove the rivals and their whole system.

They KNOW evolution has been a hoax to get you in their bag. The real goal of genetic research is to aid demonic incarnations and to understand the mechanism of physiological based “behavior” in creatures, especially humans, to control them better for the big world government acceptance attempt in about 15 years, when they complete 666 world government.

Myths like evolution just aid sociopathic development energies in thinking that knows no accounting and no true justice just the law of the jungle within the new Cains. It also distracts from the final dot connection, so people can stay stuck in a myth thus lessening their chances of survival at the Christ arrival.

In the meantime there is no such math but fantasy that can “prove” the theory of evolution, it has been a prose based myth from incept of those who hijacked Darwin to try to blame him of this abomination.

It’ll never work.


Thanks for the invite, excuse the size but I want to give a thorough purpose. If not for God, Christ and Russell (and others), I wouldn’t be here, thanks guys!

I am a wandering sheep as far as Zech13:7 and human shepherds of Zech 11 are concerned. But the real shepherds God and Christ are hard at work. I am Jehovah’s witness and that of Jesus Christ too, as in a TASK TO COMPLETE not a “religious” label. I was labeled a JW until 2012 where in the Memorial was my “last meeting” I had to Matthew24:15 split the UN NGO and GB “disgusting thing” now infecting the JW ministry.

I have and want to speak to Bible Students because they have the root understanding and others, about the future Daniel 8:13-14 which will use the JW disaster now and the worse one coming to begin the final warning cycle based on Daniel 8:14 timing and Dan8:26 event phasing which will become extremely believable after the JW org is globally desolated. (Zech3:1-5; Rev8:1-8)

I believe in the Rev14:12 FAITH of Jesus Christ, not a religion for the word is unbiblical and corporate, it is a FAITH that BILLIONS of people are trying to observe.

The Messianic Kingdom has yet to complete and take rule (Rev14 final sequence), as does 8th King “scarlet wildbeast” world government (Rev17:8-13) which precedes the Christ arrival to get very very clear over the final Isa38 15 years or so from the time of JW org going down (starting sign) as Dan8:13 in the Daniel 11:41-43 maturing global context.

The final priority message is the OPEN SALVATION GUARANTEED OFFER that ANYONE WILLING CAN BE SAVED to come from some of Christ’s 1000 Trillion+ angels at Revelation 14:6-8 timing after Christ arrival, for he saves sheep first, then he conquers for the world rulership authority.

Charles Russell gets to complete his work, but he aint a human any longer, and Jesus Christ completes his own ministry in person too for they are the same message (Matt10:23), but Jesus is “in person” as the Mighty God and he employs Rev9:13 “eagles” which Russell is one to aid his completion, that is Jesus Christ MUST complete his own ministry (and he helps Russell complete his, and that is the truth), and he is the one that removes the sword of division and unifies all believers AFTER he arrives.

In the meantime, divisions is the best way to spread the news of Jesus Christ as controversy gets people more engaged as does unity and comfort which just makes sinful man complacent. Thus, anyone developing faith is welcome in “Christ Angel Camp” come Armageddon and the door open via Revelation 14:6-8 from super-human aid in some angels who WILL bring that opportunity to all people.

(Christ is helping all his earthly slaves and in-spirit-form anointed who conquered in Rev6:9-11 (Rev13:9-10) to also complete their ministry as they have to be involved with the final warning because for the first time since 33-70CE it has to call the future 8th King final indications BEFORE they occur into world government so the most people can benefit, it is 1260 days too, 1260past, 1260future, two witnesses 2 times, 1260×2=2520 DAYS, 3.5 timesX2=7Times as Rev11 also has a “seven times” allowance that STARTED in 1914.)

So I am not a “doomsdayer” (Rev13:3), it runs the full course of prophecy to world government then Christ arrival (Rev13:3,15-18; Rev17:8-18; Dan11:44-45; Dan8:25; Rev16:1-20; Rev8-11), and I have to speak a very huge open salvation offer to all mankind who can hear it.

Thanks for the welcome. Agape in Christ and God Almighty

Keep your eyes on JW org, it is going down HARD, it will be accounted, it will be catastrophic and on CNN too boot. (Dan11:41; Dan8:13-14; Zech3:1-5; Rev8; Mal3:1-5; 1Pet4:17)

It is for a global signal. (Isa28)


Revelation 11 “Seven Times” in “Two Witnessings”

The Revelation Trick of Revelation 11 TWO witnesses. There really will be TWO 1260 days warnings, one in 1914-1918, and one to come from the JW org criminal downfall you can literally soon watch right on CNN. (Dan8:13-14; Zech3:1-9) What news you won’t get from JWs is WHY God has to judge Jehovah’s witnesses FIRST in this final process.

The final notice is very simple.

Of course, the resistance now centered inside of Bethel as per Daniel 11:32a-35 and Daniel 8:11-12, is evidence even the initial awareness of what is being described here will be resisted because it really is the “final warning” as the final 1260 days will complete as 2520 days, that is 2 witnessing periods X times 1260 days each, 1260 (1914-1918) and 1260 coming up AFTER the temple judgment timed affirmation temple judgment events manifest on the JW org as Daniel 8:13-14, very soon.

The final “seven times” is 2520 DAYS, that is the “trick” to Revelation 11, fyi.

I say take it slow because this is a DUAL fulfillment merely separated by the classic Bible Students and Jehovah’s witnesses ministry from 1919 to today’s devolved state, even a “UN NGO” Wildbeast endorsing organization now. (In there own way they were also “two” witness groups, butt hat is by a little license not actually the prophecy which has to calculate the Revelation 11 “seven times” as 2520 DAYS of full fair warning as parked by the Rev10:5-11 prophecy of “prophesy AGAIN with regard to many nations” of Rev10:11

Very simple. Of course, it perfectly relates to Charles Russell “seven times” understanding because those 2520 years ended in 1914 as the 2520 days but BEGAN in the same year; and that is no accident!


It is very hard to make this too simple, pardon the length, but JW org going down will be its seal that is ALL true. Of course Jacqueline, PROPHECY OF GOD has all the details and clues and timings and events we need to look for and know; And this time there is a very good reason why this has to come out BEFORE it all happens, just like Russell did prior to WW1 and all the events it spawned in world government political, military and financial foundations.

Search “1944 Governing Body Birthday” and “Governing Body Daniel 8:13 Wrong Condition” because the blasphemy and its ties to Zech3:1 Satan at the “right hand” of Joshua is 1000 times worse than can be barely outlined in a post or article. The GB is worse than bad news, they are as good as Satan leading JWs, the same entity is involved for a reason. (2Thess2:9)

The point being in regard to Daniel 8:13-14 which has NOT fulfilled yet, for it is the final temple judgment cycle marker, is WTBTS have been applying the “right condition” since 1944 to themselves! BLASPHEMY of 2Thess2:1-4.

Now the convenient thing as noted in those articles is that they are also TYING themselves and this UN NGO APOSTASY marker to the Daniel 8:13-14 prophecy that will INSTEAD, fulfill in the future on them removed (zech3:5; Isa66:6) and exposed, and it is the same one they have been applying to themselves since 1958 and made complete in their 1999 Daniel commentary “Pay [ZERO] Attention to Daniel’s Prophecy” book of errors.

The key JW stalling errors of today are in Dan8 and 11 as far as stalling the news of what world government completion will trigger in Christ arrival. (And forcing JWs to buy the USSR-to-Russia DECOY continuation as “King North” a critical error in IDing world government development since 1990 3rd UN event; They do this to mislead and bewilder JWs as the org is going down by enemy planning, aiding internally by the GB fraud control center; (Dan11:32a, from the real King North, hence why they keep the real KN secret by the USSR error)

Now as you may be aware, Daniel 8:11-14 is a very very very BACK BURNER low profile teaching among JWs, most of them have no clue how to try to explain it and few even know about it.

But it is very important because it gives a “man of lawlessness” paper trail in JW public record since 1944 of how they injected in the Babel based “Governing Body” idea, first even mentioned among JW in 1944. Then they developed the idea of “Theocratic Organization” to be ruled by a GB Tyranny, BUT they never explicitly connected the two for JWs to SEE what was going on.

But in the JW org, that so-called “theocracy” a fraud to depose JWs in the long run by GB Pied Piper “gradually given over” subversion and control (Dan8:12) and the “Governing Body” development are what control Bethel at the top, and all the congregations and now they outright OWN ALL the KH’s, and control the whole thing for actually the Daniel 11:32a purpose. (hence Matthew24:15 warning to flee UN-NGO-JW org NOW!!!)

So, it is no accident these men from Satan are now JW leaders “in the temple” for a PUBLICLY LIFTED UP signal (2Thess2:3-4), and that they apply the prophecy to come in Daniel 8:13-14 in the future vents an timing of the temple judgment, to themselves as if “right condition” truthful, pure and holy. They are in reality “evil slave” MOL and the architects of the Zech3:3 “befouled garments” of criminal and blood guilty reproaches and lawless activity reflecting on God and Christ “Joshua” in Zech3.

This kind of blasphemous claims and connection in JW history and writings will make certain they are exposed as the real Daniel 8:11-14 prophecy becomes explained as chapter 1 of the final warning it must lead to, the “second witnessing” cycle, 1260 days, of the two witnesses which is also “seven times” but as 2520 DAYS which BEGAN, as the 2520 years “seven times” ended in 1914.

Thus it also ties back to Russell’s primary reference point for today, it set the main benchmark of all the world-government-vs-Messianic-Kingdom continuums of Dan7,8,11-12, Rev13, 17.

And this is all no accident, now JW org will go down, and it is “2300 evenings and mornings” timed and “the evening” and “the morning” phased lest some should doubt now. In that timing, there will be no reason to doubt when judgment comes on the “befouled” “wrong condition” JW org

Then developments the 20 million people tracking this hypocrisy and JW global lawlessness center and being affected know now, will by all this culmination of Daniel 8:13 become known to THREE BILLION PEOPLE globally and more, because the JW org implosion “trampling” of Daniel 8:13 WILL GARNER THE PROPER GLOBAL ATTENTION for God to then manifest the final warning from the smoke of that judgment. (Rev9)

Dan8:13 includes a 3.19 year minimum desolation requirement “the evening” phase (Dan8:26) which will become visible and global news on the JW org GLOBAL downfall; they are NOW selling this to JWs as “the end” as per WT11/15/13 and WT7/15/15, and that is 2Thess2:1-2 premature “the end” and Christa arrival DELUSION from MOL (man of lawlessnes) among JWs from the “lawless one” who will use that “end” scare to herd as many JWs as they can to FEMA and other global detention centers in the crash, then cancel the JW ministry and try to abort the final warning by decimating the JW resource “established place” of Daniel 8:11 (Nahum2).

But it will NOT be that “the end”, it is the world war “sword stroke” of Rev13:3 that “heals” into 8th King world government, but it is delayed as per Isa38 and that gives enough time for the final warning to manifest fully from the recovery “morning” of Daniel 8:14 (Rev9 parallel point) which GOD recovers into “temple cleansed” “right condition” to allow the final commission of Rev10:5-11 to then deploy as the final “second witnessing” 1260 days prior to world government and the Christ arrival it must trigger, but by then in fully updated and forewarned open salvation offer manner completely. (Dan7:25, Dan12:7, Rev11:2-3; Rev12:14; Rev13:5-7; Rev11:7-10)

All those final 1260 day cycle time signatures parallel to the 1290 days Daniel 12:11 (Dan7:26) activation in which post 1260 days complete time, that Rev11:8-10 “3.5 days death state” final elapsed symbolic timing elapsing, it merges into the Christ arrival of Rev11:11-12, Rev16:17-20, Rev14 incept. (and others like Matt24:29-31; Rev19:11+, Rev1:7)

This time it all has to come out years in advance and fully summarized as per Rev10:5-7, BEFORE it happens*** so, you know, people can make use of the warning and that final open salvation offer amidst huge global proof that world government completion will cease that final warning (Rev11:7-10; Rev13:5-7) AFTER it completes it 1260 days, and it shall trigger the Mighty Christ in person for the Global Sheep-Sweep and the final conquest just as it shall warn of for the whole preceding prophecy gauged periods, and in a way to involve all Christians who can understand the import finality of that final portion of the “little scroll”. (“side two” of the Rev5:1 seven sealed scroll, in other words)

(Revelation 10:11) And they say to me: “You must prophesy AGAIN with regard to peoples and nations and tongues and many kings.”
But it ties it all from Russell forward (as far as those prophecies for post 1914 significance), all together in a unique open manner with a positive open salvation message main requirement.
Isa 48:6-7, 48:18-19, Isa42:9

(Isaiah 48:6-7) You have heard. Behold it all. As for you people, will you not tell [it]? I have made you hear new things from the present time, even things kept in reserve, that you have not known. 7 At the present time they must be created, and not from that time, even things that before today you have not heard, that you may not say, ‘Look! I have already known them.’

(Isaiah 42:9) . . .“The first things—here they have come, but new things I am telling out. Before they begin to spring up, I cause you people to hear [them].”

(Isaiah 43:18-19) 18 “Do not remember the first things (1914-1919), and to the former things do not turn your consideration. 19 Look! I am doing something new. Now it will spring up. you people will know it, will you not?

What it is boiling down to is the Bible Students ministry was the “first witness” to be deposed in 1918, and had the board taken over like they tried in 1917, 1918 would not have become necessary.

The FIRST attempt was 1897, then the Russell ASSISINATION on Halloween 1916, NO WAY was that death not a Rev6:9-11 kill shot. Do NOT be fooled, they KILLED both Russell and Ruherford (Rutherford and Knorr with radiation isotopic exposure) and they killed Fred Franz too, December 21st (they just said Dec22 to throw us off a little) the two most important Satanic holidays are Dec21-25 with Oct31.

NO ACCIDENT Jacqueline!

And now they completed mission in GB-1976 to really complete the anti-JW org based ministry op in the near future and you can watch it all right on CNN as Daniel8:13-14 starts.

Jehovah’s witnesses will be recovered BUT full disclosure is required and peace with Bible Students of the “first witnessing” for they will form one whole final warning epicenter of God Volcanic good news completion of Rev10:5-11 to Rev11:1-7.

JW ministry will be ceased the final time in Rev11:7 after the 1260 days final warning and open salvation initial offer is complete.

JWs have much to disclose, they have to expose and condemn the GB, EXONERATE Ray Franz, make peace with Bible Students and so on. The GB debacles began in that 1971-1981 coup period, the axed Ray Franz not because of 1914 stuff, that was just the pretext, they did it to MAKE SURE Frad Franz could not “pass the torch” to Ray to expose KN UN 3.0, 1990, as Daniel 11:30-31.

There are a couple other reasons, but I will leave that full disclosure for the preparation into the final warning of the future.

All this controversy is for a good reason, it will get tons of global attention when it is most important to focus on this JW centered disaster coming, the “enemy” is IN their house, running and ruining the place, but not for long, the “1/2 hour” of not hearing a word on this matter from a “silent Heaven” is ending and when it does JW org will explode in Heaven’s first statement to end that half hour of symbolic “silence” ont he Devil GB and all this JW UN NGO and pedophile garbage governed by that Dan11:32a GB viper pit from the Devil’s own “seed”.

As Christ pointed out Satan’s house does not war against itself. Thus, the incept Reformation was from God because it was trying to expose the first apostasy. Then it merged the core Catholic errors into the reformation churches.

Charles Russell then exposed both of these errors. There is no way Satan would undermine his main Christendom “the lie” of 2Thess2:9-11, with Russell, nor would he use a man who led to connecting Revelation prophecy to the incept world government first step of four in the League of Nations “image”, or nucleus of the 8th King system to come as complete world government in the future.

Think Satan is some kind of strategic fool to cause so much controversy millions of people re-examined their faith and the liar religions (Rev2:2) due to the monumental ministry of one self funded but God aided man like Charles Russell a dynamo of apostleship to the global level of works to put him in the same club Paul is in?

You would have to be crazy. And many trying this are simply reacting to the Russell exposure, it is they who are foolish virgins at best, trying to be bonafied “evil slave”, misled by the real evil slave.

The pattern repeats. Now, Jehovah’s witnesses have assimilated a “slipped in” group of “brothers” plain as day “lifting themselves over everyone” and they have forged that error into the 2Thess2:11-12 “the lie” for a final apostasy of Daniel 11:32a among JWs.

Their puppet master uses the Russell distraction so people do not focus on the Governing Body source of TODAY’s apostasy in JWs.

Why else would Jehovah’s witnesses imagine the UN NGO Wildbeast Contract is somehow “noble”?

So God must finish what Russell started for him and complete the mission with the Rev10:5-11 final warning commission, but now based on exposing JW apostasy an UN NGO meaning as prophecy with the 3rd UN event of 1990, as sure a prophecy fulfilled at Daniel 11:30-31, Dan8:23 as was the first two UN presentations of 1919 and 1945.

But if you notice, the dirty GB SAYS NOTHING about UN3, 1990, and instead partnered with it as an adjunct annex of NWO promotions quoting the “new world order” term over 70 times in JW publications from 1991 to 2001, as wildbeast promoters and enorders.

UN-NGO-Wildbeast-JWs use the vain excuse they are fighting for “religious freedom” by joining the wildbeast to try to secure it. Yet they claim that wildbeast will destroy all religions of Earth, so how is the wildbeast UN going to help them secure “religious freedom”?

Their own JW org is now to be desolated by divine judgment as a result of that UN NGO wildbeast partnership, go figure. (Dan8:13-14)

And THAT is how the evil slave works to mislead JWs into brazen apostasy (Dan11:32a) while they think all’s good. The GB is our final “evil slave” HQ of the modern final “man of lawlessness” manifestation, to be fully exposed by God after the temple judgment of Jehovah’s witnesses (1Pet4:17), complete with their own UN Wildbeast covenant history.

Charles Russell was the modern age’s “first witness” “spearhead”, and he accomplished the initial portion of his mission and that is why, to this day, we are still talking about things Russell shed light on. But, God will now complete the final portion of Russell’s ministry (for it is the final portion of Christ’s, Russell’s Boss) because Russell came in in a time spirit-form-anointed will take part in the final warning proceedings and the conquest of the Christ Kingdom and everythign else forever.

Masons do not have people as motivated as Paul or Russell, God does because God drives it by holy spirit. Russell was the Masons and Illuminati Nightmare Come True, and he shall continue the mission to their very face, but he is not a human now, so that time will be the final time.

You can meet Warrior-king Russell Under King of kings Christ at the Revelation 14:6-8 events some years from now, but not many. (Isa38)


David Wilcock shows that there is actually a 1914 ascertainable connection to Pyramid architecture.

So, even if it is just a sideline, it is there too. But Russell used Daniel 4, NOT the Pyramid, him and others found this little coincidence to be highly interesting.

Sorry if they try to use this against Russell, the thing to note is there really is a 1914 in Pyramid Architecture.


It is a question only Christ answers with a preceding mega-temple-judgment. In general it has been human and anointed in a capacity of “slave of Christ”.

But, God determines this in reality because ACTUAL faithfulness, not fictions and acting, is what God and Christ look at.

And its revelation leads to an announcement, it is not a gold medal for the “slave” it is selection for final warning, on an individual basis of God given awareness.

Because even if you said you are a faithful slave, Christ was that, and look how they treated him. Expect no better from men, but expect help from God to “gitterdone” just as Christ did and recieved forever.

We have to announce the coming of Christ with far more certain indications of certain arrival as this matures. (Matt25:1-13)

So a “faithful slave” whatever is also a “five discreet virgins” and LIGHT announcement this final time, in final form, will be the final mission. (Rev10:5-11; Rev11:1-7)

All illustrations and parables are just that, BUT they do parallel big prophecy fulfillment event frameworks to add extended details by those obvious connections.


All Christian “religions” have some truth. The trick in the future which God shall perform is the summarization of all that has been true, with some updates, and just forget about all the errors which by controversy just helped spread the message.

It all BEGINS with Daniel 8:13-14 on the apostate JW organization of a UN NGO Wilbeast “burning mountain” annex.

JWs are only in critical errors in Daniel 8 and 11 as far as King North and world government modern continuums since 1945. But JWs have the GB policy nuisances cloaked in “The Bible says so”, but there are many small errors that God will flatten out. (Zech3-4)

It is a final phase of final refinements that the JW org downfall has to lead to. (Rev9-11:1-7)

JWs and GB policies of bad men just distract from the Kingdom message at this time. Not for long.


[QUOTE who=”I_know_better_now “]<quoted text>

There is only one true congregation. And it is a real physical one. Mistakes and all it is still Jehovah’s active present representation on this earth. Your understanding on Dan 8:13-14 can be misplaced. Yet you are taking that gamble with your life. That is reckless that’s why I used the word renegade. You have all the trademarks of an agency working against the org. It seems today one of the many roles of the internet is to attack the org. The very thing you claim is wrong with the org is what you are engaged in you are doing the work that the beast does against the org. You are not warning anyone you are trying to promote the desolation of the org. [/QUOTE]

YOU are the one taking the Matthew24:15 risk by disobeying Christ when the disgusting thing at Bethel in GB and UN NGO is CLEAR AS DAY.

You have started to love the JW organ more than God and Christ is your problem, it is more “real” to you.

You better wake up and observe Matthew24:15 NOW! If you stay with the org, you will be very sorry you did. You will have to share with their bloodguilt and heavy heavy heavy wild beast sins.

Daniel 8:13-14 will become the most important incept prophecy of all modern JW time, in time. It is placed perfectly.

Yes, I bet my life on it with ZERO doubt whatsoever.

JW+GB has gone bad bad bad, wild beast bad.


I_know_better_now wrote:
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Even if we found something in the WT to be wrong it still does not mean it is not the TRUTH. Error can happen. It’s a imperfect org. It’s weaknesses does not invalidate God’s favor.
It is the truth, that is why it works. If you take truthful dots, and rearrange them to fit a pattern that is an error, then the error is as deeply believed as the truth, because the error uses truth to support itself.

That is what the GB is doing. The are rearranging true prophecy that MUST fulfill fully. But NOT in the order they are now presenting to JWs in error to create the modern 2Thess2:1-2 premature end delusion among JWs.

Now if you can get JWs to think it must certainly be the end now, then they will not try to impede the destruction of the JW org, they will buy it all as part of “the end” process.

And they will be obedient to go anywhere the GB Pied Pipers of King North Daniel 11:32a send them.

THAT is how and why the GB hi-jacked truth midstream and rearranged it into part of “the lie” of 2Thess2:11-12 all from simple “operation of error” which God permits because God is going to fry the GB like a BBQ and the furnace is Destroyer:

(Isaiah 31:8-9) And the Assyrian must fall by the sword, not [that of] a man; and a sword, not [that of] earthling man, will devour him. And he must flee because of the sword, and his own young men will come to be for forced labor itself. 9 And his own crag will pass away out of sheer fright, and because of the signal his princes must be terrified,” is the utterance of Jehovah, whose light is in Zion and whose furnace is in Jerusalem.

But he is also the “light” that will come in “the morning” (Dan8:26) of that Rev9:1-4 super stealth event to destroy the Devil GB permanently and give a terrifying signal to globalist intel all over the JW org worldwide. The smart ones will flee with pissed shorts, the stubborn ones will taste more Destroyer “fires”.

But as per Zech9:8 leave they will, and come back they won’t. Destroyers Zech1 “deep place” angels will be “encamped as an outpost FOR MY HOUSE”.

Let them try and God will trespass their houses and get them AND their families, fair warning, pay back is a beeyatch:

(Hosea 9:16) Ephraim must be struck down. Their very root must dry up. There will be no fruit that they produce. Also, in case they bring to birth, I will even put to death the desirable things of their belly.”

The “root” are these infiltrators, and they shall “give birth” to no more disturbance in God’s house, and if they try, God will take MORE than just them, it will become quite literal. THAT is how the “two witnesses” can also “call down fire” until the 1260 days is complete, then the enemy can cease the final warning, but by then it is complete and too late.

Destroyer is paying JW org a little visit soon.

[QUOTE who=”GreatSouthbay4040″]Betheljudgement

You say “you know”? I don’t think you know much of anything regarding prophecy. As IKNB stated to you prophecies may be ocurring now and we don’t even realize it.

Here is one you can know too, very simply.

League of nations 1919 was the pivotal break with areas Russell was wrong in, he was not wrong about 1914, it led to 1919.

LON 1919 led to UN 1945.

Thus the decisions Rutherford made regarding the League of Nations were correct, we were seeing everything he explained in the posthumous publishing of the “New World” where in Rutherford exposed the so-called “new world order” to explain Christ and God’s “New Universal Order” where Jesus is King of the World (Rev11:15) by being King of the Universe by being King of the Messianic Kingdom by being King temporarily in God’s Kingdom. (1Cor15:24-28)

Now if God took all the trouble to foretell UN 1919 in the LON and United Nations in the UN 1945, all “image” of the “wildbeast” progress to world government,

HE ALSO FORETOLD UNITED NATIONS 1990 IN THE REVIVED “NEW WORLD ORDER” MANTRA PHASE, though the origins of NWO are in 1919, as JFR pointed out while exposing them on the spot, 1926, London.

Just as UN 1919 led to UN 1945, so UN 1990 leads to UN WORLD GOVERNMENT.

And the GB is not saying this. They cover up UN 1990 as Daniel 8:23 and Daniel 11:30-31 parallel.

UN 3 and UN 4 are what UN1 and UN 2 lead to.

JWs have lost connection in explaining the continuum at UN 1945.

UN 3rd global presentation 1990 prophecy remains a mystery to JWs today. UN NGO was placed rather than explain the 1990 also pivotal UN 3rd global presentation prophecy.

It is part of the repeat of Revelation, for it has two cycles, one for each “witness” of 1260 days, 1914-1918, and the future 1260 days to complete 2520 days as the Revelation 11 “seven times”. The “burning mountain” cover up issue will now be hurled into the JW “sea” as per Rev8:9, the GB is the fallen lamp of Rev8:10-11.

Very simple, JWs are stalled by the foretold apostate GB.


[QUOTE who=”GreatSouthbay4040″]<quoted text> Had Raymond Franz not been df’d, why would you assume that he was going to be president? Wasn’t it by vote at that time?


They axed Ray Franz to pull off UN 1990 3rd “place the disgusting thing” with zero JW comment and a UN NGO wildbeast endorsement from the GB instead.

Ray Franz compiled and wrote most of the Aid book, he was the next Bible authority after Fred Franz. The 1914 issue was easily resolvable to a “gentile time”, it MUST be based on Babylon’s first 70 years “seven times”, 607BCE still.

Once that glitch was ironed out, which will now occur in the final warning after JW recovery, Fred and Ray would have been peas in the pod. But instead, the GB by Schroeder CIA and Milton Henschel MI6 (before they became those entities to their inception) sanctioned that GB coup debacle.

We know Fred Franz and Nathan Knorr both vehemently opposed the GB move for a dictatorship, God has always used a spearhead like Moses and Aaron (NEVER a “body”), which Fred and Nathan were, which Russell and Rutherford were before them, their mentors. The GB went headstrong and took the reigns of ruin.

Ray Franz would have been there to explain the 1990 United Nations presentation prophecy of Daniel 11:31b.

Instead, Fred Franz died, the lights went out, and JWs NO LONGER explain modern valid prophecy, they explain oldhat UN prophecy only up to 1945. JWs are severely stalled and dumbed down now.

Axing Ray, aided this process, everyone at Bethel knew he was Bible Expert #2, behind his uncle Fred Franz. THAT is why the KN intel in the WTBTS (Dan11:32a) through the GB error did what they did.

But now it will all come out with the final warning after JW org goes down globally as Daniel 8:13-14.

JWs have been taken over, “gradually given over” as per Daniel 8:12.

[QUOTE who=”GreatSouthbay4040″]

What’s wrong with disquis? Say….If i wish to not read your postings? I simply block you. What’s wrong with that? What does it have to do with free speech. Every group should have acceptable as well as unacceptable norms of behavior.

This site is a cake walk with girl scouts compared to the venom of JWN. This site is tame, the worse you get are comics like SOS, powder puffs.

Now you asked why Topix does not put a Disqus button, I just gave the background of how the internet is to be taken over with the world war too.

I did not say I think disqus is wrong, just how they are part of the pantheon of intel profiling and censorship that will soon filter JWs, or should I say try to filter JWs from the world media entirely by first taking out JW org, then removing ALL JW publications they can.

They will sell this to action from KN (Dan11:32a,41) as “the end” so that JWs will help destroy their own organization, and drive themselves to prison “bunkers” for pre-processing and FEMA.

The technology world of the web boils down to two sides: free and independent, corporate and intel, there is fast becoming no middle ground and the free are to be removed and taken over, just as they took over everything else as Daniel 11:40.

KN is globalist elite world government development, not the “USSR”.

Because JWs accept the USSR decoy-KN error, they will also by the Russia world war continuation of that KN error, which only aids distracting them and destroying JW org globally.

But God as per Nahum 2 and Dan8:13-14 has a final purpose for Jehovah’s witnesses:

(Revelation 10:11) . . .And they say to me: “You must prophesy AGAIN with regard to peoples and nations and tongues and many kings.”

It will be the final warning.

JW org intrigues just get some good big global attention where it needs to be for th final warning.


[quote=’Asia Teacher’ pid=’101200′ dateline=’1480718520′]
OMG, is the acronym I believe they use in the US!
I arrived here because I sought alternative news, debate and truth seeking. I’ll hold my hands up and admit that after only three days, I’m stressed, tired and worn out by it all; a continual barrage of baiting, trolling, personal comments, zero  debate  and no moderation.
My first question is what is the point of writing articles for this forum?
First thread  on  ‘General Discussion’ followed by 15 pages of absolute drivel, no debate and a barrage of comments unrelated to anything thread topic. I’ll say it again and in my professional capacity as a teacher, the majority low information and personal conduct here is appalling.  
My second question is what on earth is this forum for? There are very few quality articles; it’s simply teen gangs of religious fanatics, Googled  quotes  and clique infighting. Yet you already know that, so why do you let it continue?
A suggestion: Start selectively banning for periods of time and attract both the type of posters and content that increases the forums prestige. At the moment, what you have is one that no reasonable individual above basic secondary education is going to post threads on.
Primarily for Hex and VC, others might throw abuse at what I’ve just said, but to those a little more educated and older, you’ll understand the gist of what I’m saying. Included as further contributions would have been resume help, career advice, employment opportunities for those prepared to travel . . . OK, I’ll go with the flow and perhaps it’s me, but further posting on what this forum resembles, no thanks :)  
That is  normal,  because the system has designed-in diversion points. So, you need to remind people of the purpose and the mission of their research. If it is not helping research then you have to get it back on track in histories or  learnign  concepts.
It is a choice. The dead end arguments are the cul-de-sacs some devolve into because that is the can the elites have them trapped in as it all boils down to a black ant red ant kind of two-sided war in the can.
These ants should be pitied, they have  bough  nationalism, racial and the religious dead ends to  remian  stalled in progress in.
My goal in teaching is that the Universal King is triggered ONLY and AFTER World Government completion. He will not disrupt their progress with Satan, he may delay it here and there, but they gotta  gitterdone  for the war for Earthly sovereignty with him and around 1000 trillion tried angelic warriors capable of super-human perfect execution of performance in any material form. If they came as a human than can  out perform  any human, if they appear as a wolf or lion, the same thing, they are beyond the natural world’s wolf and lion.
But they will appear as angels of God Almighty, they save many people from NWO extinction planning, and ANYONE CAN SURRENDER AND BE SAVED before and even in the war. You do not need to be on the wrong side of  thr  world government line in the sand.
And as world government approaches  afull   warnign  will appear and it will get very clear before game day.
So, others have different missions here, so my advice is forming a purpose for yourself, and sticking to it. If dead end debates  is  all you do, then you work for the elites as at the least a volunteer, because it distracts from connecting the final dot.
In the meantime it is a very global-generic reality coming when they complete world government; religion, race, nations, gender, NONE of it matters, all the M&Ms are the same on the inside, that is, all people are involved and can live forever, not just survive, by taking sides with the Kingdom which shall conquer all rivals in that day, but it shall boil down to one rival, “one world government”, as the global signal for  all out  war with the Kingdom Air Force of the Angels of the Chosen One. (Rev14:6-7)
But saving  life  is their first priority and restoring all life lost  oin  earth from the beginning, is their mission guaranteed  promise  of God Almighty. (Eze47; Rev21)
They are your friends, but we have to make a choice, them or the NWO, and at that time there will only be two choices. (Rev14:6-8)
There is no such thing as “doomsday”, it does not end as soon as people think in many cases (Rev13:3), and it is only the end of Devil Elite rule in world government and demon rule, the nations come under the Chosen One King of the Universe.
You probably already know his name. (Ps110)
In the meantime, all the  enmy can do is stall, distract and apply fake prophecy to their fake decoys on Earth, wherein the  arival of Satan and the demons into Earth, will be portrayed as if the arrival of the Chosen One.
Are you taking the human mind farther? Or are you part of the stalling distractions?
OR, are you still trying to figure it out too?
Whatever the reason, it is time to connect to the final dot.
World government complete and stated globally as such will trigger the arrival of the Chosen One for the salvation sweep, and for the big war on world government rivalry. NATO will be turned to ashes in a day, taking  sweet  time to do so. They are nothing compared to one of the angels. There will be 1000 trillion+ of them.
Now VC is helping inform people of the Satanic side of things. We just have to connect it to the world government dot and what it shall trigger when complete. And of course, jot it down and plan accordingly and tell others.
Don’t let the enemy stall you or distract your missions. In time they lead to the same place. It all converges for a reason.


In time. Trump can be a pivot point dead or alive, he does not matter to the bigger planning goal: The Middle east.
Iran is the final power system in the Middle east to conquer. Syria is just sealing up the Mediterranean edge zone of the Levant. Look at a map.
Iraq and Afghanistan sandwich Iran, so it is  in  a NATO vice, and that is  indication  the goal is Iran,  Iraq  and Afghanistan are just pre-positioning. But the “Gulf Cooperation Council” is the ArabNATO, so NATO has many global positioning for the bigger world war goal into which Iran is just a piece of the puzzle.
The nation systems are 500 trillion in debt and unfunded liability. (Dan11:42-43) They are done, the US and EU are also set for NATO invasion in other words, but under a “save us from Islam” pretext, as friends and heroes to the social herd.
Now Global NATO and its elite black budget  sluch  funds have 200 trillion in hard wealth, cash, gold and assets to ensure Russia and China will topple when what they did to WTC comes from space, again, to do that to whole Russian and Chinese cities. All they do is need to hit them in the face ONCE, with the new “big stick” devices, so we know the winning of the world war is already planned to help sell world government as the “global solution” for all.
It has ALL been  gloablly – rchestrated  since WW1.
Iran is going down, Islam is the first global religion to be dissolved by  in coming  world government NATO exterminators. Because Islam is so imbibed into all the social system, it will invite in NATO for  door  to door purge. Islam is  coomed  because  there  utter defeat will give great credibility to the “Israel” prop and the “Christian Crusade” idea, to make it all look like “prophecy fulfilling everyone!”
But Israel and Christendom are world government salesmen, that is why they are used to help present world government, then they are also slated for deposition too.
World Government is far far more dangerous than the world war that leads to it. (Rev13:3) World Government has the keys of global human selective extinction in hand by that time. (Matt24:21-22)
World Government is no joke. But its completion triggers the Christ of God for “The War”, so they shall eb dusted in short order (Dan12:11 period transpires with the conquest) amidst much open salvation being secured for many many people and animals, life on earth things.
It takes about 15 more years to complete world government through a final engineered-to-resolved world war.


[QUOTE who=”Caciques a liar “]<quoted text>

I have no problems with actual christians or people who actually believe in god its the ones like el loc who are just sad to see, while some may have misguided views of what to do and not to do it is the fakes that make them all look bad. nobody that acts like he does is living in fear of judgement day


At one time JWs were a light out of church confusions. Now the light went out and JWs only add to the confusion when they go out to damage control for the GB who is the source of all this confusion from JWs and is the architects of all that lawlessness JWs try to damage control of Daddy GB.

JWs chose a new Father, and God is not happy with the choice anymore so than he is with the Catholics and their evil Pope Pappy.

The trouble for JWs has all mushroomed since the railroaded Ray Franz as the fall guy to give life to the GB dictatorial threats that your family is now hostage and they will kick you out if you try to expose the GB criminal activity with sins against God and Caesar too boot.

That was just the beginning of the JW conversion to GB damage control black arts. It has gotten only worse and worse under the GB experiment. And it is going to turn catastrophic with the global chaos cycle coming up.

As per WT 7/15/15 the GB knows JW org is to “go under siege” “soon, very soon each of us….” will be in that siege.

They know this NOT because of prophecy but because of globalist elite UN agenda collusion in which JW org is to be attempted to be destroyed, true, soon very  soon.

So they are selling WT 7/15/15 ideas to JWs as “Your Deliverance is Getting Near”, and it is just “the end of it all brothers, prepare your end of the world “hard-hitting” message signs please”. Now they can deliver JWs to FEMA for detention, and raze the org, and JWs will only help, JWs will do nothing.

So, JWs have been fooled it is really the global JW org “trampling” visible locale benchmark temple judgment epicenter of Daniel 8:13-14.

That is what all the confusion helps cloak the real meaning of in this modern JW based apostasy of Daniel 11:32a. JWs are the apostates. Just as they blamed innocent Ray Franz for their own criminal nature, so to JWs are trained to blame others, rather than finger and depose the GB as the real bad guys.

Same old story, it just repeats. That is why the whole prophecy it starts is also just repeating Rev8-11 and Rev16.


Very bad times are coming on JWs, but don’t blame them 100%, blame the GB 99%. The GB is the King North sub-pimp of the new UN-JW harlotries and dark silence on modern prophecy and world government meaning, for it triggers Christ arrival when complete and stated. (1Thess5:1-3)

JWs job is to cover that up, to be the ones “throwing truth to the earth” before the public as per Daniel 8:12b.

It is all, also prophecy fulfilling, bad moon prophecy over JW land.


[QUOTE who=”Mikronboy”]Even an aspergers mentality such as Aneirins must be able to see that the constant references to 1975 interspersed with material stressing how short was the time before armageddon can only have inspired the flock to a fever pitch of activity. IT WAS MEANT TO!


1975 is statistically marked as the high point of JW growth. AFTER 1975, as the public data demonstrates, there was a constant decline to the dead cat bounce of today’s sub 7 million JW growth magnitude.

Had the per 1976 trend continued there would be 14 million JWs today. But alas, the GB strategy to place big stumbling by big fails and scandals has achieved its Daniel 11:32a goal.

The dismal 1% growth of today’s JWs is why the actual negative growth rate can be concealed a little while longer. The other claims of Bethel to aid this cover up of GB wrought decline is easy to understand how it works, and why they are actually in a record pre-JW-org dissolution liquidation of now around 4 billion dollars globally, as the racket nears its designed end.

1975 marks the START of the downward spiral of JWs growth and the spirituality follows suit.

At jwstats you can see the post 1975 decline in graphical tables.

But it is obvious the 1975 debacle has played a role to kick off the decline, the Bethel 1976 GB WTBTS coup and 1981 purging debacles also contributed to declines, but it is a visible post 1975 downward spiral to soon, oblivion.

The JW org dissolution to be relatively abrupt, will stumble the 3 million JWs now hanging by a thread spiritually, and the rest will simply go down with the ship they so love and worship in the JW organ.

But, some will be recovered for the disclosure phase to fess up and make a public global apology to all mankind for the rot the GB has “governed” consistently into the JW scandal HQ.

The worst enemy JWs have is the GB, the worst global reproach on record is not from GB-damage control JWs.

Itis what it is. You can bet your life, God is not pleased with the GB or this situation. And the GB wil suffer a fate also to be brought on very quickly in relative terms and it has to go global as God starts to cleanse his name on their smoking GB carcass.

The GB entity will be removed forever from among Jehovah’s witnesses, but it will get good global attention for the full disclosure phase to come. (Dan8:13-14; Rev8-11:1-7)

Global catastrophe is yet to come on JW org, because the GB ain’t done yet, and all that JW “obey the org as crazy as it may sound” is for a reason, to drag as many JWs as they can down with this criminal organization and that before the eyes of the world as God shall allow this, in fact he requires it now. It is guaranteed to be horrific commensurate with the magnitude of Bethel criminal and anti-christian activities since 1976 and the GB Warlock Coven in control.

Catastrophe is coming on JW org, the reaping of the sowing of much crime and miseries under cover of the Bible and Jehovah and Christ’s names, so you can bet there will be blood.

JW org downfall will be the first example. (1Pet4:17) Of more to come as world government approaches and completes to trigger Christ arrival.

JWs just furnish some global attention to help with the final warning.

Yes it is a parable. All parables, well most of them, are parallels of a prophecy, and some prophecies parallel each other.

It is a temple judgment parable for now, the future. All that both the faithful slave and 10 virgins boil down to is some are evil and some are foolish, some are faithful some are not. That is determined now by Christ with a marked judgment as in all times past. This coming one comes with the start of the “tribulation of those days” phase.

The even split in the 10 virgins means it will be significant in a falling away. And we know the end is not as close as many think as per 2Thess2:1-2, there is a final phase of warning work to come in this temple judgment cycle.

Faithful slave and discreet virgin like anointed will spearhead the final warning, but some will fall away, as usual. But this is the last cycle, its pre-Christ arrival explanations of world government ramifications will all come true to the long awaited arrival, but it takes at least 15 more years for them to complete 8th King world government.

That final time period must be used wisely. (Rev10:5-11; 11:1-7)

It will, because God is who is really doing the final warning.

Jesus makes the appointment as result of the temple arrival which precedes the full arrival for conquest, there has to be a final “second witness” of the “two witnesses” which are just anointed Christians encapsulated in Bible symbology for the job then at hand clear as day:

(Revelation 10:11) 11 And they say to me: “You must prophesy AGAIN with regard to peoples and nations and tongues and many kings.”

JW org dissolution is the Daniel 8:13-14 timed sign of temple judgment this time. It will be marked by the attempted global destruction of the JWorg for UN NGO and many crimes, and it will be catastrophic so all will know what we are talking about afterwards.

JW org downfall is the sign of the near future, it takes 3.19 years minimum of “the evening” of desolations required by the prophecy.


Revelation 11 “Seven Times” in “Two Witnessings”

The Revelation Trick of Revelation 11 TWO witnesses. There really will be TWO 1260 days warnings, one in 1914-1918, and one to come from the JW org criminal downfall you can literally soon watch right on CNN. (Dan8:13-14; Zech3:1-9) What news you won’t get from JWs is WHY God has to judge Jehovah’s witnesses FIRST in this final process.

The final notice is very simple.

Of course, the resistance now centered inside of Bethel as per Daniel 11:32a-35 and Daniel 8:11-12, is evidence even the initial awareness of what is being described here will be resisted because it really is the “final warning” as the final 1260 days will complete as 2520 days, that is 2 witnessing periods X times 1260 days each, 1260 (1914-1918) and 1260 coming up AFTER the temple judgment timed affirmation temple judgment events manifest on the JW org as Daniel 8:13-14, very soon.

The final “seven times” is 2520 DAYS, that is the “trick” to Revelation 11, fyi.

I say take it slow because this is a DUAL fulfillment merely separated by the classic Bible Students and Jehovah’s witnesses ministry from 1919 to today’s devolved state, even a “UN NGO” Wildbeast endorsing organization now. (In there own way they were also “two” witness groups, butt hat is by a little license not actually the prophecy which has to calculate the Revelation 11 “seven times” as 2520 DAYS of full fair warning as parked by the Rev10:5-11 prophecy of “prophesy AGAIN with regard to many nations” of Rev10:11

Very simple. Of course, it perfectly relates to Charles Russell “seven times” understanding because those 2520 years ended in 1914 as the 2520 days but BEGAN in the same year; and that is no accident!


It is very hard to make this too simple, pardon the length, but JW org going down will be its seal that is ALL true. Of course Jacqueline, PROPHECY OF GOD has all the details and clues and timings and events we need to look for and know; And this time there is a very good reason why this has to come out BEFORE it all happens, just like Russell did prior to WW1 and all the events it spawned in world government political, military and financial foundations.

Search “1944 Governing Body Birthday” and “Governing Body Daniel 8:13 Wrong Condition” because the blasphemy and its ties to Zech3:1 Satan at the “right hand” of Joshua is 1000 times worse than can be barely outlined in a post or article. The GB is worse than bad news, they are as good as Satan leading JWs, the same entity is involved for a reason. (2Thess2:9)

The point being in regard to Daniel 8:13-14 which has NOT fulfilled yet, for it is the final temple judgment cycle marker, is WTBTS have been applying the “right condition” since 1944 to themselves! BLASPHEMY of 2Thess2:1-4.

Now the convenient thing as noted in those articles is that they are also TYING themselves and this UN NGO APOSTASY marker to the Daniel 8:13-14 prophecy that will INSTEAD, fulfill in the future on them removed (zech3:5; Isa66:6) and exposed, and it is the same one they have been applying to themselves since 1958 and made complete in their 1999 Daniel commentary “Pay [ZERO] Attention to Daniel’s Prophecy” book of errors.

The key JW stalling errors of today are in Dan8 and 11 as far as stalling the news of what world government completion will trigger in Christ arrival. (And forcing JWs to buy the USSR-to-Russia DECOY continuation as “King North” a critical error in IDing world government development since 1990 3rd UN event; They do this to mislead and bewilder JWs as the org is going down by enemy planning, aiding internally by the GB fraud control center; (Dan11:32a, from the real King North, hence why they keep the real KN secret by the USSR error)

Now as you may be aware, Daniel 8:11-14 is a very very very BACK BURNER low profile teaching among JWs, most of them have no clue how to try to explain it and few even know about it.

But it is very important because it gives a “man of lawlessness” paper trail in JW public record since 1944 of how they injected in the Babel based “Governing Body” idea, first even mentioned among JW in 1944. Then they developed the idea of “Theocratic Organization” to be ruled by a GB Tyranny, BUT they never explicitly connected the two for JWs to SEE what was going on.

But in the JW org, that so-called “theocracy” a fraud to depose JWs in the long run by GB Pied Piper “gradually given over” subversion and control (Dan8:12) and the “Governing Body” development are what control Bethel at the top, and all the congregations and now they outright OWN ALL the KH’s, and control the whole thing for actually the Daniel 11:32a purpose. (hence Matthew24:15 warning to flee UN-NGO-JW org NOW!!!)

So, it is no accident these men from Satan are now JW leaders “in the temple” for a PUBLICLY LIFTED UP signal (2Thess2:3-4), and that they apply the prophecy to come in Daniel 8:13-14 in the future vents an timing of the temple judgment, to themselves as if “right condition” truthful, pure and holy. They are in reality “evil slave” MOL and the architects of the Zech3:3 “befouled garments” of criminal and blood guilty reproaches and lawless activity reflecting on God and Christ “Joshua” in Zech3.

This kind of blasphemous claims and connection in JW history and writings will make certain they are exposed as the real Daniel 8:11-14 prophecy becomes explained as chapter 1 of the final warning it must lead to, the “second witnessing” cycle, 1260 days, of the two witnesses which is also “seven times” but as 2520 DAYS which BEGAN, as the 2520 years “seven times” ended in 1914.

Thus it also ties back to Russell’s primary reference point for today, it set the main benchmark of all the world-government-vs-Messianic-Kingdom continuums of Dan7,8,11-12, Rev13, 17.

And this is all no accident, now JW org will go down, and it is “2300 evenings and mornings” timed and “the evening” and “the morning” phased lest some should doubt now. In that timing, there will be no reason to doubt when judgment comes on the “befouled” “wrong condition” JW org

Then developments the 20 million people tracking this hypocrisy and JW global lawlessness center and being affected know now, will by all this culmination of Daniel 8:13 become known to THREE BILLION PEOPLE globally and more, because the JW org implosion “trampling” of Daniel 8:13 WILL GARNER THE PROPER GLOBAL ATTENTION for God to then manifest the final warning from the smoke of that judgment. (Rev9)

Dan8:13 includes a 3.19 year minimum desolation requirement “the evening” phase (Dan8:26) which will become visible and global news on the JW org GLOBAL downfall; they are NOW selling this to JWs as “the end” as per WT11/15/13 and WT7/15/15, and that is 2Thess2:1-2 premature “the end” and Christa arrival DELUSION from MOL (man of lawlessnes) among JWs from the “lawless one” who will use that “end” scare to herd as many JWs as they can to FEMA and other global detention centers in the crash, then cancel the JW ministry and try to abort the final warning by decimating the JW resource “established place” of Daniel 8:11 (Nahum2).

But it will NOT be that “the end”, it is the world war “sword stroke” of Rev13:3 that “heals” into 8th King world government, but it is delayed as per Isa38 and that gives enough time for the final warning to manifest fully from the recovery “morning” of Daniel 8:14 (Rev9 parallel point) which GOD recovers into “temple cleansed” “right condition” to allow the final commission of Rev10:5-11 to then deploy as the final “second witnessing” 1260 days prior to world government and the Christ arrival it must trigger, but by then in fully updated and forewarned open salvation offer manner completely. (Dan7:25, Dan12:7, Rev11:2-3; Rev12:14; Rev13:5-7; Rev11:7-10)

All those final 1260 day cycle time signatures parallel to the 1290 days Daniel 12:11 (Dan7:26) activation in which post 1260 days complete time, that Rev11:8-10 “3.5 days death state” final elapsed symbolic timing elapsing, it merges into the Christ arrival of Rev11:11-12, Rev16:17-20, Rev14 incept. (and others like Matt24:29-31; Rev19:11+, Rev1:7)

This time it all has to come out years in advance and fully summarized as per Rev10:5-7, BEFORE it happens*** so, you know, people can make use of the warning and that final open salvation offer amidst huge global proof that world government completion will cease that final warning (Rev11:7-10; Rev13:5-7) AFTER it completes it 1260 days, and it shall trigger the Mighty Christ in person for the Global Sheep-Sweep and the final conquest just as it shall warn of for the whole preceding prophecy gauged periods, and in a way to involve all Christians who can understand the import finality of that final portion of the “little scroll”. (“side two” of the Rev5:1 seven sealed scroll, in other words)

(Revelation 10:11) And they say to me: “You must prophesy AGAIN with regard to peoples and nations and tongues and many kings.”
But it ties it all from Russell forward (as far as those prophecies for post 1914 significance), all together in a unique open manner with a positive open salvation message main requirement.
Isa 48:6-7, 48:18-19, Isa42:9

(Isaiah 48:6-7) You have heard. Behold it all. As for you people, will you not tell [it]? I have made you hear new things from the present time, even things kept in reserve, that you have not known. 7 At the present time they must be created, and not from that time, even things that before today you have not heard, that you may not say, ‘Look! I have already known them.’

(Isaiah 42:9) . . .“The first things—here they have come, but new things I am telling out. Before they begin to spring up, I cause you people to hear [them].”

(Isaiah 43:18-19) 18 “Do not remember the first things (1914-1919), and to the former things do not turn your consideration. 19 Look! I am doing something new. Now it will spring up. you people will know it, will you not?

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I feel the most sorry for the elderly, they spend all their lives loyal to this deadly cult of jws , they had to spend tons of time out in service going door to door for many many years of their lives instead of enjoying life itself with family and grandchildren… …

I Absolutely love elderly people and I get so upset about this [/QUOTE]

Well there is a GOD and He will fix ALL evil effects of planet Earth, NO ONE gets a screw-job that sticks. Jesus got one, it did not stick, and his “joy set before him” is the TOTAL fixing of EVERY evil EVER committed on Earth, for the victims’ benefit first.

Anyone who wants to deny Christ kindness in the next world among some of the criminals that get the real opportunity to accept the new way, will get one that will stick, NEVER AGAIN are criminals slinking around getting into power again, EVER, or letting leaven spread!

So, all these elderly and other victims get this:

(Zephaniah 3:18-20) . . .The ones grief-stricken in absence from [your] festal season I shall certainly gather together; absent from you they happened to be, because of bearing reproach on her account. 19 Here I am acting against all those afflicting you, at that time; and I will save her that is limping, and her that is dispersed I shall collect together. And I will set them as a praise and as a name in all the land of their shame. 20 At that time I shall bring YOU people in, even in the time of my collecting YOU together. For I shall make YOU people to be a name and a praise among all the peoples of the earth, when I gather back YOUR captive ones before YOUR eyes,” Jehovah has said.

Those were the oppressed within the Jerusalem overall symbol, of which not all were this afflicted. They are the ones who see the evil slave shepherd too, in some of these kinds of oppressed people:

(Zechariah 11:9-11) . . .The one that is dying, let her die. And the one that is being effaced, let her be effaced. And as for the ones left remaining, let them devour, each one the flesh of her companion.” 10 So I took my staff Pleasantness and cut it to pieces, in order to break my covenant that I had concluded with all the peoples. 11 And it came to be broken in that day, and THE AFFLICTED ONES of the flock who were watching me got to know in this way that it was the word of Jehovah.

The word of Jehovah about APOSTATE SHEPHERDS, THEY are who are too blame for abused EVERYTHING among JWs. The GB is the main evil worthless shepherd, which Zechariah was just playing a part in that prophecy of the Judas situation of Zech11 that JWs are now in.

So, there is bad stuff wrought by those not afflicted but aiding the GB, the high horse kind of JWs, etc, but God will account for any victims and all, Him and Jesus are not half-assed about anything, they will complete everything down to the last ant, no joke, they are total detail oriented Gods.

What kind of a Kingdom would it be if it forgot all the little things? NO WAY! They will leave NOTHING out even in all creation, much less elderly who got pimped by the filth-squad GB criminals.

I ain’t judge, but the GB Railroad seems to be about the hottest rails one could get on for Gehenna Station, that is all I can say, it does NOT look good nor bode well for the blood soaked GB viper pit.

But at there level of sins and their collusion with the Daniel 11:32a enemy as his puppet, don’t waste any pity on the real snakes. A real rattle snake is a kitten for child compared to the venom of the GB.

BAD. BAD BAD, plain as day now.

Keep your eyes on JW org, it’s going to get worse, faster.


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It pleased the lord to bruise him,he has put him to grief Isaiah 53:10…..not Michael but jesus

He is the “arm of Jehovah” merely revealed later in Jesus Christ:

(Isaiah 53:1) . . .Who has put faith in the thing heard by us? And as for the arm of Jehovah, to whom has it been revealed?

(Isaiah 53:12) . . .and for the transgressors he proceeded to interpose.

He interposed from the heavenly realm to even become the man Jesus Christ, before he was named “Jesus” ca. 1BC, he had the greatest name in heaven other than God even as Michaal the Archangel.

God sent The Archangel, not just any angel, but Number One Angel of all time, Ancient-Angel, the first meaning of the prefix “Arch”, first, before there ever was another angel in existence.

Of course, that is the very “Chosen One”, Number One, God would send. There is no one else, by John’s time his Word name was also revealed, he carries out all Jehovah’s word from time immemorial, well before even the birth of this universe, well before the first angel was born from him by God.

That is why God has this very brief but important per-Jesus history in the Bible, just enough, not too much, because in time the rest of the details come out in the 1000 Year Reign and after, forever and ever.”Number One” in God’s book, wherein of course all pale in comparison to God Almighty, but Michael is as close as anyone will EVER get.

Jesus Christ, one and the same person, past, present, and future, forever and ever.

The truth is out, easier getting a mad Lion in a bag than ever getting this truth back in the dark bag.

The truth is out, out it shall remain forever.

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please explain hebrews 2:5 where the world to come isnt going to be subjected to angels….show me where angels have the same attributes as God as jesus had.

True. And that is what the Hebrews were askign too, how did this all happen, he was just an angel so what gives Paul?

But as Paul shows and Isaiah from God he is not an angel anymore, he WAS an angel, even if Archangel. He is Mighty God now, immortal, called a God by The God Almighty. The Hebrews wanted to know HOW an angel was elevated to that lofty position.

Hebrews tells the whole story how it happened.

So, true, Jesus is no longer angelic, he is archangel as position but as immortal Mighty God now. So the questions you ask, ARE THE EXACT SAME ONES THE HEBREWS WERE ASKING, and Hebrews is God’s answer through Paul of how and WHY this happened this way.

Jesus is not an angel any more. When he was the archangel he still did not possess the qualifications that his mission completion provided, AFTER he died. Before he died, you are correct, after he died things changed for Christ is a HUGE WAY!

Hebrews is all about that change of position and why it is required for the sacrificial salvation basis in pretty exact terms. Other than Revelation that is the deepest Bible book of Greek Scriptures, it may be the second deepest of all the Bible really.

And that is because the Hebrews did have reason to question just why would God do this all through a former angel. Why Why Why, How How How was the big questions, because to Jews of that time, you do not mess around with the position of God Almighty, so this was a very very touchy issue, and why Hebrews explains it to the Hebrews in full detail.

Without Hebrews explanations, the Jesus thing was very very dangerous territory to be making claims like he did in. Paul had to show them WHY Jesus Christ could make such initial claims of divine mission, why he is sacrifice accepted from and for God, and why he got the big promotion to Mighty God Immortal and the FUTURE Heb1:6 future obeisance of angels.

(Hebrews 7:15-17) …become such, not according to the law of a commandment depending upon the flesh, but according to the power of an INDESTRUCTIBLE life, 17 for in witness it is said: “You are a priest forever…

This stuff was a big deal to Jews. Christendom is not the intended audience of Hebrews, they won’t understand it because they have gone deep into the dangerous territory, but without authority to do so.

To read Hebrews, you have to think and imagine you are an old school Jew who already knew Michael from Egypt and Assyria and the wilderness, you ALREADY knew who Hebrews’ main subject was in the connection to Jesus “Christ of God” later as a whole process. A DIVINE process your parents’ parents actually saw and experienced wherein Michael is like part of your family and your family’s history and without him from God you wouldn’t even be here.

Thinking like the churches, instantly you will be lost in Hebrews, you won’t get past the 4th verse before you mind goes off into a Christendom illegal tangent to black-mythologies of the superstitious Catholics.


The GB is illegal as Daniel 11:32a. The goal is to have us weaken ourselves by thinking these kinds of HUMAN condemnations are valid, but they are to make wandering sheep wander more, and to make stumbled sheep stay down.

It is ALL from GB thinking. Stay with God through Jesus Christ, 1-2-3, 3-2-1, Jesus Christ is the real and only thing that matters for a person to God for humans. Read Daniel 8:11-14 which part of it is now “gradually given over” in JWs “led into apostasy” as per Daniel 11:32a, because this defection is to become a global signal much worse than now, when Daniel 8:13-14 activates as temple judgment.

Stick to much Bible and prophecy reading and much prayer, as we all had our self-doubts, well amny of us, when we Matthew24:15 split out of the JW org idolatrous apostasy. The GB and puppet JWs job is to try to continue to take the wind out of a person’s sails when they leave, so we become catatonic and depressed and self loathing.

But gather FAITH because the illegal GB apostasy is a prophecy which had to activate mire and more to indicate we are actually at the final temple judgment cycle as Daniel 8:13-14 is Rev8:1-8 parallels.

Revelation has two cycles, 1914-1919 “first witness” by Bible Students NOT JWs, and the future repeating 1260 days as “second witnessing” final warning, and why they are TWO witnesses and a “seven times” as 2520 days in Revelation 11, and why JW org judgment is a good global attention getter to kick it all off soon in their well required and needed implosive downfall for criminal malfeasance in a number of forms, including child abuse and money laundering. (1Pet4:15-17)

Do NOT let the real apostates in GB and JWs keep you down.


That was talking about Melchizedek which we can tell now was probably Michael incarnated blessing Abraham, he has no earthly genealogy, first super-natural King of Salem. THAT is why there is no human record of Mel. And that is how a “man” could bless Abraham, for no other man of Earth was worthy, Abraham has no equal among Adamic men of his generation. But that gets too much for even JWs to take, that is just my take on Mel as Michael, if it is from God it will stick, if not it will go.

But i


[QUOTE who=”little lamb”]BJD

I believe God wants our feet shod with the good news of peace .

i believe we are to come to people with good news of better things to come

I believe God loved the world so much he gave us his only begotten son that whomsoever exercises faith in him will not perish but have everlasting life .

i believe it is on an individual level

” whoever has the Son , has this life ”

so its not a matter of being in an institution , but having Christ in your heart through faith…

So while men argue over which religion is the best religion , I believe Christians are to follow Paul and preach Christ crucified /impaled..

.because without Jesus sacrifice , there would be no ransom for forgiveness of sin .[/QUOTE]

You are right. But God always has a visible dog in the race with the Kingdom of God jersey, always has had it, always will have it, and that is why the JW dead dog situation is so serious, they went UN NGO wildbeast dog instead. Now God’s dog is not present. The GB cyanided his JW Alpo. Now many think because JWs went bas all must be good, but the fact is JWs just joined a fully bad Christendom corporate UN system pantheon, it could not be worse in all world history RIGHT NOW!

No dog, dog down, “individuals” you speak of, though true, is just scattered sheep prophecy at this time due to lawlessness cooling the love and enemy infiltrations of Jude “certain men have slipped in”. It is just the expedient, not the norm.

It is on an individual level, no disagreement and MOST IMPORTANTLY on a one on one with Christ individual relationship which God willed. But in this world, the here on earth place, there are entities that have to be fully publicly allied with the wildbeast. And there are entities or an entity visible in the same arena that has to be identified with the Kingdom of God. Like the nation of Israel, it was that entity in principle for many centuries, then came the new covenant.

In the 1st century and for a little while the whole church thing was doing OK, that is why Satan entered to form the error complex of today now associated with Satan. But JWs since 1919 were explaining and exposing it to complete the Reformation intent, even if that was not stated, that was Russell’s mission and why he was overly focused on the Catholic Satanism in prophecy.

To simplify the matter, God just bagged the Papacy in between the BTG bra. God just put the Catholic MAJOR APOSTASY in the BTG bag.

Thus, we could concentrate on the entity which is the center “image” of world government as the League of Nations appeared and made such a claim, obviously more important than the Papal carcass which did inspire the Reformation, which also went bad as God also simplified that faction as more BTG and a first “man of lawlessness” clergy system.

JWs have joined the UN by use of a GB clergy system, now God can simplify further and toss JW org as BTG and the MODERN apostasy and “man of lawlessness” GLOBAL SIGNAL. Churches have been LON/UN for decades since 1921. All are now the peas of the same wildbeast pod, NOT God’s Kingdom allies or they would not endorse the main rival 8th King UN image. It cannot be both ways with God.

Now it never was a “tribal religious label” for man-made and man-controlled “salvation” in Jehovah’s witnesses, they ruined it into such a lie. (2Thess2:11-12) It was free will, you do NOT have to identify with a mundane entity, even if it is allied with God’s Kingdom like JWs claimed.

But, NOT ANYMORE! JWs went public globally as UN NGO Wild beast allies and GB allies, as the GB have their own “covenant for a kingdom” in the billions of unclean riches with the New World Order whose term they promoted 70 times in WT pubs between 1991 and 2001. Now as per Matthew 24:15 if you are “in the JW org” you now share with the wildbeast “disgusting thing” plain as day the UN NGO, in no way an innocent thing, NO WAY!!!!!!

Thus, as you state, when one flees JW org as in Matthew24:15 COMMAND of Jesus Christ, you just resume your INDIVIDUAL RELATIONSHIP that was being DAMAGED AND SEVERED by the likes of the GB Wildbeast placed idol. (Dan11:32a) Though Christ at Matthew 24:15 is speaking of Daniel 11:31b specific 1990 UN “disgusting thing” for modern times, which that UN NGO is a JW WTBTS form of, the GB in principle is also an idolatrous “disgusting thing” in a formerly “holy place” by claiming to be allied with God, Christ and God’s Kingdom to the extent JWs did so. There is a DOUBLE WHAMMY of “disgusting thing” presence in the JW org now, the GB and their UN NGO globally publicly known “center piece” “in the temple” association.

It is all prophecy and it is all for a future big reason God allowed all this.

INDIVIDUALLY a person observes the “faith of Jesus Christ” (Rev14:12) who is Jehovah’s main Witness, NOT a “religious label” but WHAT HE REALLY IS!

So Christ’s SACRIFICIAL PERFECT BLOOD ATONEMENT is the ONLY “thing” that can save in God’s book. PERIOD. Individuals are more than welcome to take that offer, but the “established place” of a mundane entity allied with God’s Kingdom and the Messianic Kingdom will also arise for what it is too, just a means to “gitterdone”, a means to create the WRITTEN official “Sovereign Ultimatum of the Messianic Kingdom” to Rev10:11 present to the people, nations and the rival 8th King as the “little scroll” final pronouncement of God.

So I am not disagreeing with you you are correct, but God will present a final entity allied with the Kingdom of God, always has, and always will, and THAT ENTITY passes as ceased (Rev11:7) into the REAL KINGDOM OF GOD ARRIVAL (Rev11:11-15), by the earthly sovereign appointed agency of the Messianic Kingdom in a no holds barred OPEN SALVATION OFFER and the statement of the truth of the Authority of Jesus Christ to now take his Earthly Throne of the Revelation 11:15 Kingdom OF THE WORLD!


At this time God has no real dog in the race, JWs got hit by the GB car and have the UN jersey.

This is no joke, this is the truth when it comes from that final entity and the offer is also to BILLIONS OF PEOPLE who individually ALWAYS COULD avail themselves the JESUS CHRIST ATONEMENT SACRIFICE GUARANTEE AND OFFER at any time in this whole process since Pentecost in official form, the second Christ died by faith.

A clear sovereign “ambassadorship” entity will come, it will be what ti says it is, it is temporary, it is mundane to a certain degree because the anointed “Kingdom” final reps have to complete a final global warning, God backed for 1260 days, guaranteed to be a success, yet it will be killed by the world government complete wildbeast as Rev11:1-7. Rev13:5-7 and Daniel 12:11.


THIS IS THE WRAP UP, INDIVIDUALS have always been able to access Jesus Christ, God and the channeling sacrifice to cover for real sins, to blot them out, to make that relationship the realest most powerful connection to God through Christ a person can EVER have which completes in perfection, to one on one with God Almighty Himself, the goal of the whole process.

Jesus transcends religious labels, they have NO MEANING to him because they ALWAYS go bad, that is why the final warning entity is cleansed and fast tracked in in a clean truthful complete and updated state, because in enough time it would go Adamic as well, so it is Daniel 8:14 final 1150 days of recovery cleansed then fast tracked in an unknown interim to the 1260 days, so at most we are talking maintaining a clean state for 10 years, as Bible Students and Jehovah’s witnesses did do from 1918 to say 1950 or so, then it also devolved into the UN NGO likes of apostasy of today’s JW ministry.


This time it has to call the full forecast BEFORE it happens so people can know world government will complete and it will trigger the Christ arrival, very simple, it goes ALL THE WAY.

And JWs have to disclose and apologize for all sins and expose and condemn the GB publicly (Rev9; Dan11:32; Rev8:10-11)


No more “religious organization salvation” can be coerced. Because individual salvation based on Christ atonement sacrifice AND the accountability it brings individually, is THE TRUTH. So you are correct, but you will see a “second witness” allied earthly entity carry it out. God always has a dog in the race.

The “five discreet virgins” and the “two witnesses” symbology of real things anointed Christian all have an AUDIENCE composed of INDIVIDUALS not in those groups who can be affected by the light and the “little scroll” “:good news”, they do not have to be “in” anything but to come into Jesus Christ BLOOD, period.

The final warning will be like 1914-1918 cubed seventy times, because it is going to trigger Christ arrival when they complete world government, sheep and people need to get ready and be given the open salvation offer of Rev14:6-7 BEFORE them angels deploy under Messianic Kingdom “Zion” completion Rev14:1, and the full fair warning has to be given and it will have some very deep effect on all people for it, or against it, it will be the big final news warning because God Almighty is behind it, ti cannot fail, it is Destroyer guarded, and why the “two witnesses” can “call down fire” from Destroyer because NOTHING is going to stop the 1260 days completion of Rev11:1-7. NOTHING.

When it completes, they can depose it, as is already forecasted before it occurs. And this takes 15 more years to wrap up so it will get clear as a bell, especially when JW org goes down as Daniel 8:13-14, but the world just keeps plodding along through a final world war which will resolve as per Rev13:3, Rev17:8-13 into FULL 8TH KING WORLD GOVERNMENT.

IN THAT DANIEL11:41-43 GLOBAL CONTEXT, the final warning will complete as the end of Daniel11 merges into the start of the Daniel 12 final timed periods in an overlay.


And the entity that will be allied with Messianic Kingdom in a visible “fortress” and “established place” merely used to gitterdone, will make this exact announcement, and many Jehovah’s witnesses, and others, and many individuals scattered about will identify with Jesus Christ as King of kings by atonement provision for them, and they will choose the Kingdom of God rather than wildbeast world government so-called “new world order” which is going down hard instead.

The choice will be clear globally: Choose God’s Kingdom and live with it, chose the wildbeast world government and die with it.

It has always boiled down to two roads, two destinies, the narrow path to eternal life or the broad wildbeast way to at best destruction and resurrection of unrighteous, “killed by the sword of his mouth” rather than the lake of Fire in Rev19:11-21.




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Are you a Jehovah witness?


No, I am Jehovah’s witness, it is my job. I am not “a” JW as in those religious apostates worshiping the GB.

JWs had some truth. Now they went UN to fulfill Matthe24:15 in modern times so that when you see the JW org imploded on CNN, you can know Daniel 8:13 why it happened.

It leads to the final warning. JWs are off as far as crimes, sins, GB and org worship. But in prophecy they are only off in Daniel 8 and 11 which has the 3rd UN 1990 context of this apostasy.

THAT is why the apostate UN-GB covers up Dan8 and 11 with errors from a time of pre-fulfillment, so Fred Franz just made a common mistake that happens hen one tries to “interpret” prophecy that had not yet fulfilled.

So I keep what JW brought out that is true, like tracking national “old world order” history and development to “new world order” world government.

They want to sell 666 world government to people as if “prophecy fulfilling it is God’s world government everyone!”, and that is why they short-circuited JWs to join it as UN NGO early.

JWs are no in a UN NGO 666 marked condition unless they repent.

Of course, JWs like their “we are better than everyone else” tude, so they won’t see this until after God wipes out the J org on CNN as Daniel 8:13-14, timed for future verifications.

All the JW denial boils down to the common human sin of loving the delusion of holiness and thinking they are the ONLY people who ever got approved with no discipline.

They want to sell it as if they are oh so concerned with being holy, but that is what fake-holy does, they fake it. If they were holy, they would not also be a Wildbeast Organization as globally known UN NGO and now UN IGO aids for UN lobbies in many nations.

But that all fell off radar as people track the UN NGO JW blip.



There is not one JW GB scandal or prophecy node that does not have a little more going on “behind the scenes”. (Dan11:32a)

Some Christians are nore discerning than others. Some Christians watch the GB and JW org place themselves as middle men to Christ and think nothing of it, for the traditions are good enough.

But you can search “organization” and “Governing Body” on the JW CD and see the greater and greater attention given to each while Jesus gets less and less attention.

What do you think Jesus will do to men stealing his spotlight, worthy as such from God Almighty?

Well, discerning Christians CAN SEE JWs have drifted into GB and JW org IDOLATRY. Both have become way way too prominent, and they sealed their doom from God when they claimed divinity.

The reason for this is so you can consider Daniel 8:13-14 and what it means in temple judgment when Jehovah tramples them JW idols “in the temple”.

IF JWs love GB and org they will go down with them. If they renounce GB and org AND REPENT OF THESE SINS, they will pass into final purification for final warning commission.

Ray Franz was illegally booted, 1, and was just being a discerning Christian blowing the foul whistle on a GB gone rogue. It is what it is. No need to make it up, just watch JW Media to see the GB idolatry live and real-time.

JWs are more interested in the delusion of truth and being holy, the actuality, well they do not seem to have what it takes to be really truthful any longer.

They do not LOVE the truth of the matters:

(2 Thessalonians 2:11-12) . . .So that is why God lets an operation of error go to them, that they may get to believing the lie, 12 in order that they all may be judged because they did not believe the truth but took pleasure in unrighteousness.

That is how the little GB “error”, in time 1944-today, became the lie JWs now support. Poor guys. Pity them, but condemn the GB they are to blame most.


There are reasons:

1. The JW apostasy is UN NGO allied (Dan11:30-35)
2. The GB came waltzing in 1970 (2thess2:3-4; Zech3:1-3)
3. The JW Apostasy CANNOT avoid judgment (Rev8:3-5; Dan8:13-14; Zech3:1-5)
4. The JW Apostasy cannot go on much longer (Rev8:1)
5. The JW Apostasy is in prophecy to start this whole thing for real (Dan11:32a; Dan8:12)
6. The JW Downfall is Temple Judgment as Daniel 8:13-14 STARTS Rev8-11 as Rev8

From there the whole can of worms will be unwound over around 15 final years, 10 to world government, plus/minus.

There are reasons that a final warning must use a gigantic JW org downfall GLOBAL CATASTROPHE FOR JWS and totally premature end delusion smacking JWs in the face as also a global laughing stock. (2Thess2:1-2)

But they won’t be laughing for long. (Rev9-11:2-3)

The JW portion is for those PAYING ATTENTION NOW, and for those to become attentive when all of this REALLY starts to happen very soon as JW org downing will be a CNN level event all can witness for the peak 3.19 years of “trampling” as Daniel 8:13 for the UN NGO “transgression casuign desoaltion” of Dan8:13.

ALL JWs really have is GB false optimism, it wil all fail miserably. The GB is cursed, doomed, and to blame. (Zech3:1-3; 2Thess2:1-4)

Now that Trump is in, meaning a new chapter in globalist activity towards world government has begun, all we need is the event or events that lead to:

1. Full 7th King US/EU financial “doomsday”, mega-global-great-depression
2. And the world war cure
3. Into which Daniel 11:41-43 context tumbles the JW org humpty dumpty;

Which runs its course, no “doomsday” as per Rev13:3 just severe world war “sword stroke” to heal, and resolves into world government 8th King instead. (Rev17:8-18; Dan11:44-45; dan8:25; Rev13:3,15-18)

And as that takes several years to play out, JWs will go down into it PARALLEL (Rev8), and be recovered (Rev9) into a REQUIRED BY GOD full disclosure, admission, confession AND GLOBAL APOLOGY, to show real repentance, plus a GB writ of condemnation-global.



And that leads to the full TEMPLE cleansing complete as the end part of Daniel 8:14 “morning” recovery complete. (Zech3:4-9)

And that leads to the final “second witness” warning COMMISSION (Rev10:5-11; Rev11:2-3; Dan12:7; Rev13:5; Dan7:25 parallel) as the whole JW prophecy is summarized, errors IDd and removed, deployed globally as foretold. (Zech4:6-9; Rev11:1-10)

And that while the world moves to the “Scarlet Wildbeast” 8th King King North King Fierce world government trigger of Christ arrival, which by that time TONS OF PEOPLE can also put together easily as also aided by the “second witness” final warning and open salvation guaranteed offer.

It is NOT “Daniel 11:44 next brothers!”, it is Daniel 11:41 completing on Bethel apostate land, and Daniel 11:42-43 in King South pawning as 7th King falls BEFORE 8th King rises as world government as per Rev13:3 (Isa41:1) and Rev17:8-12.

Islam goes down to end the world war with Russia and China on their knees too, and then BTG is to be deposed AFTER they sell world government under world government total “one hour” of global authority, as Christ must have “parousia’d” first to oversee BTG downfall (Rev14:6-8; Dan7:26; Rev16:17-20), and then he manifests “all eyes will see him” in the total Messianic Kingdom appearance of Rev19:11-21, Rev16:17-20; Rev11:11-15. (Matt24:29-31)

The Bible is all true, time to get ready and pay attention to see this unfold as seven trumpets and seven plagues is the prophecy gauge and outline of it ALL! And JWs are as usual, the global epicenter of the drama!

In the meantime, the JW Circus will become more and more a ridiculous global center of notorious global attention to the JW org downfall as Daniel 8:13-14, all already in prophecy. (1Pet4:17; Mal3:1-5; Rev8)



1. You won’t expand on anything anyways=dead thread

2. (Revelation 1:1) . . .A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. . . .

So, prophecy and the first JW master pattern cycle from Fred from God is why we have to and can call it before it comes.

The problem with JWs is they never heard of world government. The problem with the nation-state is they will crash into world war and end up in world government as a result of the final cycle.

So, if you are a JW you will buy that crash-to-recovery-to-world-government as just “The end brothers!”, because the GB is from King North to mislead JWs into apostasy and into traps.

So, JWs are in for a shock, it don’t 2Thess2:1-2 end quite as soon as they think and they have to “prophesy again” as per Rev10:11 after temple judgment.

Thus, it is good to update stubborn JWs now, for when they have to bite the temple bullet later, and finally catch on to the whole story.

SO the GB has JWs at a dead end by use of real prophecy hi-jacked and applied way to simplified in order for JWs to think it is “the end” as cover. That way KN and GB can crash the org, tarp as many JWs as they can get to obey (Matt24:!5), and sell the whole org dissolution as if “the end brothers, simply accept it, it is the end!”.

Thus JWs go paralyzed and let the org go down thinking in error it really is the end, and they “obey as crazy as it sounds” and head straight to FEMA and wherever crash-cycle-prisons are globally too.

Instead JW org apostasy ended, the world just heads to where the prophecy said it would head like in 1914-1919 and the League, but this time it is full world government and JWs will have to “get up” (Rev11:1) and gitterdone for final warning 1260 days BEFORE world government completes so people know WHO world government will kick in the face and trigger: The Lion of The Universe, Jesus Christ.

And he ain’t going back in his den after that. He will rip world government and NATO to smoking shreds.

Now all that is left is this playing out over the next 15 years. It starts with JW org downfall as Daniel 8:13-14. Once that is in the bag, the rest will be far more credible to ANYONE paying attention.

JWs will end up explaining this all in time, so we got time, not much, but enough.


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The jw’s got sucked in with Russell…….there is videos showing Russell explaining some of the numbers he got was from measurements of the pyramids….oh yeah that was from God huh,all the false predictions…….never been from God.
Jesus is the same yesterday day today and forever…….so if he is eternal for ever more….he always has been …he doesn’t change.

Well as David Wilcock shows there are Masonic “numbers” to 1914 in the Giza. Many people knew that, not just Russell.

But Russell used a more reliable method, Luke 21 and Daniel 4.

By the time of 1914-1918 it was Daniel 7:25, Daniel 12:7, Rev11:2-3, Rev13:5 and Rev12:6. It was a SECONDARY means to prove 1914 in reverse.

Those whether coming or going 1914 founded world war, Federal Reserve/London global central banking system, the MIC Corporate Industrial to eventual NATO complex, the US/UK dual horn alliance under globalist elite CFR/RIIA management, the roots of CIA/Bilderberg, Trilateral, the first step of 4 in the League of Nations to world government.

What more do you need to know ALL THAT (and more) BEGAN to surface all at once in WW1, in 1914.

1914 si what it is: the beginning of the end, the start of the trek to 8th King world government.

Eventually Christ goes from a lot of talk, to right outside your front door when triggered by COMPLETE and stated (1Thss5:1-3) world government.

That si why 1914 first step to world government clued into prophecy is so important: it triggers Christ arrival for war with his 7th Plague “Angel Air Force” when complete.


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You are looking at externals ..and miss the wisdom and power, in that pivitol event in history !
are you participating in the process of co-death / co-resurrection ? Galatians 2:19-20, 1 COR 2
Or are you foolish like the OP, splitting hairs and semantics .? [/QUOTE]

Are you out trying to defend a symbol that has been turned into a transgression by idolization in a cross piece of jewelry?

When do the churches stop? Well when did they begin to idolize EVERYTHING while ignoring the Lord’s commands?

1. The apostles never went to church! They occasionally at best went to the temple they knew was destined for deconstruction by Rome.

The first idol the churches started to construct was that hideous church phallus steeple thing. The building itself became an idol, the cross a portable idol to take home with you or hand from your rear view mirror.

The clergy got idolized, the hymn book, the collection plate, every prop on the plate, the lunar wafers the trappings of Babel Satanism brought into the church ritualism, all just an idol.

When will they stop? When the ride a complete wildbeast scarlet world government. When they sell elite globalist Satanist world government as if “God’s world government”, then they will be put to a stop by the wildbeast the freeloaded on and now shall be deconstructed by.

The destruction of Christendom by scarlet wildbeast and ten horn world “power and authority” is where the church idol making factory shall end, that is where it will all lead.

Then the God’s “my people” IN “Babylon the Great” will have only God and Christ and 1000 trillion angels of God left.

They will have to choose the rubble of their idols and a world government fraud, or the Kingdom of God.

The choice will be made very clear by God before the opportunity to make it comes. Jot it down, even them misled people can make a final choice resulting in their Rev14:6-8 salvation.

Only the most stubborn idol lovers will not make the cut to be saved.


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It shouldn’t even be a dividing issue, but the jw’s make it one.

Well Jesus came to bring a dividing sword. It is all from him. Unity and peace does not work with people of this world. Controversy, wars, mistakes and misery is what works with Adamic men; as bad as it is, it spreads the good news of Christ, because in time all will be confronted by our actions come Judgment Day, and these kinds of actions crush by shame to result in salvation.

Under Christ’s rule the sword will be turned to plow shares and unity and enforced peace and happiness, because all thi criminal activity Christ tolerated for a season, will have worked out its objective of accusing everyone of being unworthy in and of ourselves, we will have to accept the undeserved kindness of Christ, and many will, it is all there is in that saving sacrifice.

ONLY Christ in person in Kingdom rule can bring full peace and unity. But criminals who do not repent or try to keep practicing these things are removed to aid the happiness process. There can be no sinners for true happiness to exist, including in time the destruction of Satan and the demons.

In the meantime, with the good news in the hands of incapable humans, more hypocrisy controversy and fights will still result in keeping the good news on the global front burner.

Just look at JWs, they have now fully joined the force of divisions, they have joined the UN System in official capacity, they have a lawless GB to worship, they have gone as bad as they get!

More proof the sword of Christ is still at work, and though his purpose is for the best, miseries in the “furnace of affliction” is all that the JW log addition to the furnace bonfire fuel, but they will be pulled as Zech3:2 from that fire, and this leads to the final warning in time. But JWs cannot ride a high horse, even now we will have to admit big errors for that final warning.

It takes time when God puts his hand to the plow, His perfect processes are not afraid of global misery, if he did not spare his son who did not deserve those things, He will not spare men who do. But it works out for righteousness only intense fires can purge the human of the dross, but God does not cook it all up, it is for refining as shown in various key prophecies like Rev8:1-8, Zech3:1-5, Mal3:1-5, Dan11:32-35, Isa6:6-9 and so on.

As bad as it is, the way it is going is on schedule and from God who can use human error for his purpose and transform it even into a blessing, BUT not until Christ comes and completes his own ministry as Matt10:23 and Rev14:6-8, and ENFORCES PEACE just as he permitted war and misery in his own house.

By that time we should all have reached the proper conclusion of our own unworthiness and God’s complete grace in dealing with a buncha losers to eventually bring it all into the basis of eternal love and unity by way of hell, tears and much miseries and fights.

It is just all part of the process. We are still in the sin having full reign phase. Religions are useless except for errors, wars and fighting.

But the “faith of Christ” shall be perfected by use of such error and it will remove it and its sources in time. (Rev17:8-18)

[QUOTE who=”sidgi”]You have once again said absolutely nothing. Put it in today’s world, not the realm of ignorance you seem to dwell in. If you understand it….

Who, exactly, is the king of the north in today’s world, (the man) and what is the north that he is king of? That would show you actually know something. Instead of the meaningless drivel that you try to spread out in front of you as if you are on a red carpet. if you don’t know that, you really don’t know anything do you? Who are the three kings that he humiliates in this world, that we live in today? That would show that you might know what you are speaking of. (supporting evidence) Without that kind of clarity of understanding, you really don’t know more than milk. And milk is for babes.


1. King SOUTH: 7th King; nation state government matrix; old world order; not international in function, but sanctioned by God as per Romans 13

2. King NORTH: 8th King; world government; new world order; Globalization as international “gathering” function of Rev16:13-16

In today’s world single human figure heads have no real power, they are on the puppet strings of globalist King North forming world power.

If one does arise he/she will not try to save the nation-state. He/she will advocate world government for world peace of 1Thess5:1-3 signal meaning.

As far as any prophecy commentary IN THE WORLD, this forecast is the most updated and modern research connection complete for current globalism as the basis of world government and the finality of prophecy.

You will not find a more “in today’s world” forecast and prophecy explanation as this. It is the full summary, it had to come out many years before world government for first anointed than Jehovah’s witnesses use and then global understanding when it goes global from God (Rev9-11:1-7) in time.

[QUOTE who=”sidgi”]Who are the three kings that he humiliates in this world, that we live in today?


For the nation-state King South cycle what JWs teach is the three kings meaning, I think it was France, Spain and Dutch deposition by ascendant Anglo Brit power.

TODAY, you can only guess who King North has to humiliate in full “8th horn” meaning for that 4th beast of Dan 7, which whole is world government NOT “Rome”, but based on the Romish Western system, of course.

The humiliation comes as this final world war coming ends. It could end up being Russia, China, Middle East; Russia, China, US/EU system, those kinds of mixes.

BUT King North “small horn got bigger” world government is who does the “humiliating” for world government 8th King purpose, same entity as 4th beast Daniel 7, King Fierce Dan8, and the whole “immense image” Dan2. The basis structure of scarlet wildbeast 8th King, is zenith Rev13 nation-state beast the power in Dan8:24 “not by his own power”, but by use of the nation-state matrix.

Unlike Romans 13 and the nation-state since Genesis 10 70 nations which are just mature family systems allowed by God’s sanction, the world government “superior authority” singular, is ILLEGAL by divine law.

And THAT is quite a difference in the long run, and the continuation of this is terminated by the Kingdom of God Messianic Kingdom “stone” as per Dan2:31-45.


The “three kings” have to have aspirations competitive to world government. That may mean nation-state humiliations of US, Russia and China. US and Russia have had world ruling aspirations, as have Anglo England, it may be them, 1-2-3.

China seems to be only interested in Asia dominance, but I do not know they may have global goals.

We have to wait to see as the world war runs and resolves (Rev13:3), because the three kings have to have a goal which ONLY world government will reach for “one hour” symbolic short time period, but in a marked world government required completion to trigger Christ arrival.

All this “end drops from the sky” stuff like the JW delusion, is not how it ends. For those asleep it is always “thief in the night”, but for those waking up God will take big globally known steps to Armageddon climax terminations.

It will not sneak in for those awake, it will be seen how world government arrives and it will take a few drawn out final marked years. (Dan8:14>>Rev11:2) And of course, who its completion triggers: Jesus Christ Universal Real King.

The final global development indications of Christ arrival come out in that final warning 1260 days prior to world government completion at the very least.


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again name the rivals and unbelievers that you said agreed with Russell…… said it….own up to it.


I gave you the book, if you are really interested you can look it up. The Russell wiki page is pretty clear no modern preacher has come close to him in the numbers.

And there will not be one. He was a sign, an “Elijah” principle if ever one existed.

It is what it is, we are still talking about what HE had to say. LOL, think about it.

And much of it is what he said about the times of the gentiles. His errors in prophecy were left behind the moment the League image of the wildbeast appeared in 1919.

But he got us that far. The 2520 years “seven times” end, led to the start of the Rev11 2520 days “seven times” of final warning. So, Russell was part of the “first witness” of the TWO witnessings, the final one comes after JW org downfall.

You will know when that downfall has hit, it will be Daniel 8:13-14.


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I say saying Gods word is from satan……… where in the bible jesus said he was michael or michael never said he was jesus…..yet several places in the bible say jesus is God……the father said he was God….thats not from satan thats from God himself….im taking his word for it not the word of man(wtbts)….look how many times the wtbts been wrong before,,,,,deffiniejy not from God

With even the churches, much less JWs, their error is not 100%. JWs are the furthest point of progress, God will deal with their errors when the JW org goes down soon. It is Daniel 8:13-14.

We toss the dirty WTBTS bathwater and keep the baby.

The trinity error was removed in the cycle that ended by 1919, news of which went forth after it. W can’t return to the trinity error, or hellfire, immortal soul and those first round lies.

JWs have specific errors that come along with the GB nuisance, it is dealt with in one fell swoop, the summary of finality forms part of the final warning. In prophecy JWs are only in error in Dan8 and 11, everything else is good.

As far as 607 and Jerusalem destruction 607 slides to Babylon Neb Kinging, and Jerusalem destruction to 586 BCE, 70 years to 2nd temple completion 516 BCE, no accident in this adjustment to come.

The “this generation” and the GB thingy are just thrown away entirely. The dfing stuff is all tossed with all them org rules, too, and just let people fly with no training wheels to respect their own conscience. Pedophile stuff and other criminal activity has to cease, and just be given to FBI, etc.

Of course, JW org will suffer the consequences of what they sow. But the JW ministry will become lighter by cutting these burdens. It will be streamlined to focus on the final warning.

JW problems are mostly from GB sins and busy body thumb twiddler activity. The GB is removed for good, and exposed while Ray Franz is exonerated of all false charges, because the 607 has an error, but it can be fixed for 607 on Babylon timing, and still keep the 607-1914 in great shape as far as gettign better from the adjustment, and Ray was on to this.

The GB will be destroyed by God right on CNN. (Dan8:13-14; Isa66:6)


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We taught and still understand that 1975 was the end of 6000 years of mans creation according to the known chronology of the Bible. That is all.

BEing the end of 6000 years it was suggested that something MIGHT happen but we were also told don’t be saying anything will happen. Some over enthusiastic JWs did not follow that advice even some men with responsibilities. that is the fault of those individuals.

I started as a publisher in 1964.[/QUOTE]

Well there is an “operation of error” governed by the GB to stal the JW ministry. 1975 innuendos is one of those errors along with the “this generation” debacle.

We can list the final errors:

1. 607 BCE must become based on King Neb Kinging in 607 BCE, or at the very least his Crown Prince of Babylon designate form in history all ca. 609 BCE to 605 BCE. The Jersualem even of destruction is 586 BCE with its seventy years “seven times” running to 516 BCE 2nd Temple Compeltion mega-meaning for the future Christ pattern of Zech6:9-15.

This keeps 607-1914 “seven times” in tact as it connected to the Rev11 “seevn times” as 2 1260 days witnessings to define a “seven times” as 2520 days, of which Bible Students and 1914-1918 is the “first witnessing” and a future one comes from the JW temple judgment and JW org desoaltion trampling global of Daniel 8:13-14 coming up, timed for future proof, phased to temple purification.

2. Daniel 8 and 11 have GB placed errors to try to keep JWs focused on a fake King North Russia and an incomplete King Fierce as both King North and King Fierce are globalist world power development for final world governmetn 8th King convergence.

3. Thus the current JW Daniel 8:13-14 is invalid to make it appear the 1944 GB first mentioning of the term and the 1971-1976 GB dictatorship resulted in that “right condition” met since 1944, as per “Pay Attention to Daniel’s Prophecy” erred book of 1919.

The real Daniel 8:13-14 is coming up to depose the GB and expose them and judge JWs first as per 1Pet4:17 and Zech3:1-5 and Rev8:1-8 final cycle temple cleansing.

Once these errors are dealt with among JWs by God, the clarifications refine the final warning summary to Rev10:5-11 complete to then be deployed as the final 1260 days warning a number of years after JW org desolations coming up for the Daniel 8:14 timing, 3.19 years minimum desolations, 6.23 years likely overall to complete the desolations to purification recovery of BOTH the “evening” of temple trampling and the “morning” of recovery to final enlightenment.

At this time the GB subversion fulfills 2Thess2:1-4, Dan8:11-12 and Daniel 11:30-35 wherein the UN NGO is the “disgusting thing” the GB placed in a “holy place” to define Matthew 24:15 and that UN NGO is the “transgression causing desolation” of Dan8:13.

If you are active JW since 1964, you should be able to see this. Modern JWs are all too dumbed down due to GB Daniel 11:32a “in the temple”, they catch on with the recovery of Daniel 8:13-14 merging into Rev9 final cycle fulfillemnt for the “second witnessing” inception events of the final warning to emerge from cleansed Jehovah’s witnesses in the future.

That is all from God as is allfinal prophecy, but from Fred Franz too, but he is not a human any longer. (Dan8:13)

Matthew 24:15 is coming upon the JW org apostasy epicenter as Daniel 8:13-14with timed proofs for all the JW doubters.


How did God resurrect Christ from thin air? God has the “original” of everything. THAT is how Christ and all them quadrillion of quadrillions of years old memories of his existence could be “restored” as if he never even died, all out of a very non-existent dead Christ context.

HOW did God do that? From memory.

Now when God “deletes” the original in his mind’s Almighty Memory, NOTHING, not even he, can bring it back, it is gone FOREVER.

That is Gehenna, when God “forgets” everything about a person.

Everything in this physicality and every angel is in God’s memory, demons are set for erasure with Satan, and people too bad to recover go with them.

Thus, every human is restorable just as Christ was, but a human is far less complex, to God it is like a person remembering their birth date. That easy to pop a human back into reality. Christ took up more memory, so that is called a massive action of God’s Power directly, but still totally possible.

In any event, all things God did in Christ are DIRECT. Everything else is from Christ who is a “copy” of God’s memory as he is the conduit as Eternal Father of all resurrected humans. Ezekiel 47:9 says more than humans come out of “death and hades” and Ecclesiastes 3:19-22 says why.


–Ezekiel 47:9

It’s all in double Eternal Memory, God and Christ.

God has a “back up memory” due to His will, not because there is any chance of life-data loss.


The first affirmation is the JW org downfall judgment, the rest is ascertainable by prophecy features which are all understood even by today’s GB misled JWs. What is not known by JWs is the order of events.

All I am doing is arranging already understood prophecy into the updated final order knowing world war is a “problem” cycle to then present the world government “solution” as the outcome of the world war “peace” resolution which is the same as the peace of 1Thess5:1-3.

JW historic prophecy is now so certain even scattered Christendom commentators know the wildbeast is world government forming power center. They know 666 is related to world government allegiance in some of these external commentators. All that came out from Bible Students and JWs since 1926.

So the JW Daniel 2,7 and Rev13 and 17 are provable in history, it is what it is. JWs have a couple errors in regard to King North globalists and Daniel 8:11-14 subverters in the GB parallel of Daniel 11:32a, which of course the GB will cover up, for it exposes them as the KN source of the final apostasy.

Other than that your comments are from a brain-dead cadaver who knows nothing which is obvious in that you have nothing better to say or new to offer and you sit around condemning every here on Topix like some spiritually crazed megalomaniac.

You are useful to expand commentary around your vain attempts at discrediting for others with a brain to see all this unfold just as the prophecy JWs already laid out outlines, but in modern world government and globalism zenith final meaning amidst the crashed JW org which the GB even teaches they go down “soon, very soon” as per WT7/15/15.

Now all agree JW org is going down, even the GB.

You can go back to sleep now.


This is ridiculous! I cringe when I think of the millstones now being readied for trusted teachers who instead stumble sheep for Satan and his dirty GB devils. But it is becoming typical to the point I feel over half JWs are just going due to being held hostage as their families are made hostage to extort them.

But do not give up, for in Daniel 11:32-35 these stumblings are for our refinement, IF we do not give up Christ and Jehovah become more strongly attached to, as God uses uncaring men to sever their own ties with us. You and all stumbled are part of Daniel 11:32-35 stumbling work of the deadly GB development from 1970 in JWs. It was only in 1944 that they even peeped the term “governing body” in JW print but did NOT yet apply it to the board of directors of the WTBTS.

All people who try to follow God end up requiring discipline in the course of the attempt. JWs seem to think that they are approved like the deadly GB without any discipline from God of any true note upon JWs EVER. It was Bible Students who did the 1914 trials, JWs are from 1931. So, know this, the reaping of what has been sown is now to come on Bethell JW org as Daniel 8:13-14.

Daniel 8:13-14 is what you should watch for and test when JW org goes down as all shall see on CNN among other areas of this coming news item. At this time, as of the Pay Attention to Daniel’s Prophecy book, the GB says they have all been in the “Theocratic right condition” with their help since 1944. Most JWs are unaware of the current Daniel 8:11-14 errors taught by Bethel, as that little cracked gem is kept very very low key among JWs as was the “Theocratic Organization” development parallel “development” to eventually come under the 1944 “governing body” since 1944, which has brought the JW org and its ministry of hypocrisy and UN NGO into the worst possible “WRONG condition” it has ever been in since after 1970 when the WTBTS went under a full GB tyrant dictatorship in 1976-1981.

Thus when the real Daniel 8:13-14 falls on this blood guilty and sheep killing and stumbling over-organization, the current Bethell claims will have to also come into the disclosure phase after JW org is downed for 3.19 years zenith desolations globally applied and required by God for many gross sins.

Stay stalwartly focused on God and Christ, Bible and prophecy and keep the real Daniel 8:13-14 in mind for this coming temple judgment of a house now fully in the WRONG CONDITION, the opposite of the Daniel 8:14 “right condition” to result from this mega-judgment coming up.

There is NO WAY God and Christ will let all this anti-Christian reproach and behavior continue among Jehovah’s witnesses and the claimant anointed Christian earthly marked ministry much longer, NO WAY.

Now in Revelation 8:1, for modern times, heaven is “silent” on all this garbage in the temple for a “1/2 hour”. But we all will know when we hear from heaven on this JW centered global Christian apostasy. Keep your ears perked, we shall hear from heaven regarding lawless JWs and the lawless JW ministry very soon. It will be Daniel 8:13-14 parallel Zech3:1-5 parallel Rev8:1-8 final cycle Revelation fulfillemnt phase start-up.


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God has always had a people…….you seem like you lean toward the witnesses……you say all the others are going to be destroyed….please explain heb2:5

“All the others?” I am talking about people in what JWs call “false religion” that STILL have God’s “my people” in those religions RIGHT NOW and all the way to world government. I am not talking destruction at all, you misread me.

JWs are IN THE WORST SHAPE OF ALL PEOPLE ON EARTH AT THIS TIME! If “the end” came as soon as JWs think, NONE of them but a couple would make it! I am NOT partial when it comes to JW UN NGO and heavy duty sinning with the GB. JWs are also now a “false religion” because ALL religions are false.

God destroys BTG religions under world government to free the last batch of “my people” because no way did all of God’s people obey or even realize Rev18:4. [1]

But, realistically some will not make it, some have to be marked 666. But I am not judging who, that is God’s job, not that of men.

I explain about the broadest and biggest OPEN SALVATION MESSAGE among Jehovah’s witnesses who actually are his witness, and the Web. I am not unrealistic like any hurtful murderous person will make it, for the unrepentant will be terminated, but I did read Romans 2 very very carefully a number of times and it is all there.

Even some not familiar with Christ will be saved if they love their neighbor, it is the least common denominator for the truly ignorant. It is all at Rev14:6-8.

Destroying “Babylon” is the symbol of a broader freedom for the enslaved, and yes God’s people are STILL among them and will be all the way to BTG destruction, just like when old school Babylon went down, more than Jews were freed.

Plus, the bigger our own salvation message, the more likely we will be judged in the same manner. Religions train people to condemn the “other team”. In that way, the one practicing it is who is in the real danger. Hence, Satan working that angle in many religions by way of self-righteousness and hype.

Positive Global Message—Open Global Salvation Opportunity

Global Open Salvation—How Christ Completes His Own Ministry

Babylon the Great Deposed Under World Government


[QUOTE who=”marshell in WIl”]<quoted text>

You raised some really excellent questions for All of us to think through..

Especially myself as I do smoke sometimes and I do know God may not necessarily like this however I try to make this habit up in many different ways.. That Others may not..

I will never defend smoking, however I really don’t think God will punish you with everlasting death because of this either..

There are much more worse sins to focus on rather than this awful habit..

Just saying..[/QUOTE]

The GB welded the “training wheels” onto the JW bike. That is great when you are 3 years old, but when you can actually ride training wheels are then a burden and danger.

Thumb twiddling rich busy bodies up at cornfed Bethel is how this happened, they sat around analyzing everything, what goes on in a persons marriage bed, what haircut they have, how many weeds are in the yard, all kinds of Pharisaic gnat works of ridiculous over kill, and a GB Gehenna Gavel administered by brain dead Elder drones to extort “faith” whilst the family is held hostage to be blown away with the Shun Gun.

What about over eating? Why not df for killing yourself with food? Well, not with that “five pies at the Bethell cafeteria to choose from” GB, they are guilty and do not want to start counting calories as they tightrope over their own Gehenna. THAT is the only reason they do not axe people for eating too much, you can see they love food.

But, where would it end? It doesn’t, they added burden after burden to JWs to diminish a 21 million potential to todays sub-7-million JW numbers.


And gutless JWs just let them run rough shod, even sacrificing their own children to the Molech Molestor gods of the KH.

It is plain sad to see. CATASTROPHE is coming for JWs and the JW org. NO WAY is Jehovah letting this evil circus just skate on by, NO WAY! (Dan8:13-14)

And it will all be GB wrought DISASTERS coming! That’s what happens when men from the demon loins engineer trust in themselves as the John 10 TOTAL STRANGERS.


It is easy to see now where it is headed. It’s gone up, time to come down.


[QUOTE who=”FutureMan”]<quoted text>

I haven’t come down in the last shower of rain you know. I have been doing that type of research into globalism for over 10 years now.

The point I was trying to make is that you cannot begin with a literal trampling of Israel by the gentiles and then suddenly switch to it as in a “spiritual sense”. It does not work that way.

The JW claim to be the new “Jews” on the block is flawed as many of them except for a few maybe, have no connection to the original Jewish genetic line at all.

Even if we look at the so-called selection of the “anointed remnant” I doubt that few of them if any at all have any connection to the genetic line of Israel and it’s Biblical 12 tribes.


That was my mistake, I though I read “jace”. I try to wake him up a little and I already know you know about the globalists. Sorry, that was not intended for you. I like jace, I just think he aint been out much.

The problem with 607 BCE is not the date, it is the entity. If one is going to track “gentile times”, then one best apply the times to GENTILES. As we know Israel is NEVER a “gentile” reality or symbol, period.

Thus they will parallel, 586-516 “seven times” as 70 years (temple destruction to temple completion), but it was offset, 609-539 70 years as Neb’s dynasty exact “seven times”. (Not 86 years as JWs say)

The point is JWs are tracking the WRONG entity as Daniel plainly stated in Dan 4, IT IS YOU OH KING, not “Jerusalem” regardless the form. JWs have to track a “GENTILE” based “time”.

But the good news is 607-1914 is still valid, but based on Neb Kingship/crown prince status. Easier to massage a known 2 year variance than that 20 years FICTION JWs are trying to play off for the Jerusalem destruction date error.

Now Olof Jonsson and Ray Franz were both getting close to this solution, THAT is one of the reasons they axed Ray; to keep the error in place to stumble. The other reason, is come Fred Franz kill of 1992, no one was present to ID 3rd UN NWO 1990 as King North plain as day Dan11:30-31. No Ray Franz to carry the torch, the MI6/CIA KN-placed-GB took over (Dan11:32a), lock, stock, and JW barrel head.

Every major JW coup or scandal has a lot more going on behind the scenes.


[QUOTE who=”GreatSouthbay4040″]<quoted text> How many overweight Bethelites have you seen? I haven’t met too many. It would be frowned upon.Yes, they are fed nutritious foods. Are they supposed to bevfed scrsps? I have never seen anyone gorging in Bethel and i have both been there and invited to have lunch there a number of times.

Do you know anything about Bethel these days? Im not sure what country you’re from. Do you know that the bethel family is actively encouraged to use their gym facilities? Im sure the underlying reason is to keep health insurance costs down as well as it being a good outlet, of course.

Do you know these days Bethelites have kitchens in their new abode in Warwick? They no longer have to join everyone to dine. Most couples take advantage of this provision for privacy. Which is understandable, of course.


My first teacher is a Bethel “authority” and I love the guy! I know a bunch of Bethelites, some with very sour after tastes, they are my brothers, it is the GB I am talking about, the freeloading parasites of globalist intel. They are seed of Satan anointed, NOT my brothers by a long long shot. They do NOT fool me, John10. They are the STRANGERS VOICE, and they will go down as Daniel 8:13-14 comes true.

Most JWs and Bethelites I know are in good shape, in general, I was making a point about the GB policy overkill; why not df for everything? And other than David Splane the GB looks soft and portly, they look lazy and they sound asleep, they have lazy looking eyes, they look “out of it”. But it is an act, they are smart, but you can’t fake the shape they are in. They house demonic spirits. No wonder. Worn.

I have no problem with JWs or Bethelites, I am not their judge, I know about 1000 of them. But the GB are apostle claimants as per Rev2:2, it is a Christ command to test all who say they are apostles; we found them to be liars.



The GB has been nailed, they are the final apostasy. (Isa66:6) UN allied too boot; (Matt24:15)


What it boils down to is I trust and believe the claims of the man Jesus Christ. Everyone else’s tales and stories don’t matter, including yours.

In the process the Russell>Rutherford>Franz spiritual development laid out everything we know just being updated past the JW King North USSR>Russia decoy.

Daniel 2 is the most basic human national sovereign continuum to world government pictured in the whole “immense image”, Daniel 7 gave more detail also equating to 4th beast as a whole world government. Daniel 8 added some subversion detail and equates to whole King Fierce world government. Daniel 11 is the most detailed national sovereign progression giving details within BOTH national “king south” system development to in time be pawned by king north globalism to form whole symbol of world government.

Rev13 and 17’s whole symbols equate to the same King South complete “wildbeast from the sea” finished off with the final sword stroke fall of the US/UK national empire ruling system, the empire “seven headed wildbeast” just get absorbed into King North 8th King “Scarlet Wild beast” in as generic a manner as Daniel 2’s equation, but with some added sovereign and objective detail of that 666 world government system.

Thus is about 2 printed 10 pt text pages, is the summary of Rev10:5-8 which is made global in the final warning phase.

Very simple, without Rutherford and Fred Franz none of that would be so easy to see, it took Christendom 2000 years to fully drop the ball by ignoring and covering up this fuse to world government and the Kingdom of God explosion of angels upon it to secure the Earthly sovereignty to Christ, ruler of the “Kingdom of the World”, by force.

The ONLY thing Satan and King North can understand: their inferior force and God’s superior force at Armageddon’s zenith. But “Har Magedon”, the “mountain” of “military” is the military completion of globalization as a worldwide weapons network under King North control.

If it is so easy why doesn’t Bethel say anything? Why did Bethel conceal the easy to see UN 3rd placement as Daniel 11:31 in 1990? Because they are in with KN as UN NGO agents. So, to start this cycle even now, JWs are our final apostasy signal of Daniel 8:11-13 and Dan11:30-35, all made clear in 1991 UN NGO and the cover up of UN 1990 as Daniel 11:31 and Daniel 8:23 manifesting.

Now its temple judgment time for God and Christ to deal with JW apostasy and trigger the incept of Rev 8 as Daniel 8:13-14 as the REPEATING FINAL CYCLE OF REVELATION seven trumpets and plagues to world government are not so easy fro even JWs to see. JW org downfall and its Dan8:14 verified timing is what STARTS the final cycle, and action will be required to complete the final warning, just as it began in 1914, as 1260 days occurs TWICE, one for each of the TWO witnesses and 2520 days “seven times” which began as the “seven times” 2520 years ended in 1914. Thus 1914 began the Rev11 “seven times” as 1260 days X 2, 2520 days, the final 1260 day warning emerges from the JW downfall of Daniel 8:13-14 AFTER its final temple judgment phasing (Dan8:26) and timing complete.

Russell is who aided the understanding of the overall seven times 2520 years spanning the whole thing from the start of the Dan2,4 Nebuchadnezzar dynasty of Babylon 607, to mark “gentile” Babylon “times” as 70 years “seven times”, NOT the “destruction of Jerusalem” in 586. The 586 destruction of Jerusalem and temple spans the 70 years “seven times” to 516 BCE 2nd temple completion and Zech6:9-15 “King Priest” coronation symbol of Christ “King of kings” future final coronation in Messianic Kingdom, also valid in the parallel of the Babylon “gentile time” marker.

Bethel GB went so far as to illegally axe Ray Franz, the very second he was on to the initial clues the 607 BCE thing has a different marker that would have to be Babylon “[the tree] is YOU oh King” as Dan4 states. That “tree” “resprouts” which is also the Rev11:15 “Kingdom of the World” under Christ, as Christ Priest-King of kings will secure the human world for the “gentiles” “assured to you” (Dan4) who can make the grade and “wash their robes in the blood of the lamb”. The tree comes under Christ, in other words, he is the sprout to become the new immortal “tree” of human kind’s potential to manifest under his rulership.


And thus as per Rev10:5-8 the “sacred secret of the good news is indeed brought to a finish” in the “little scroll” summary and the final warning will state it as in time all of this will come out of recovered Jehovah’s witnesses mouths to Rev10:11 “prophesy again”, the final 1260 days prior to world government completion, as its initial world rule is finalizing to complete. (Rev13:5-7; Rev11:7)

So as world government gets clearer and clearer as does news of what it shall trigger by completion and final “world peace” claims (1Thes5:1-3) you’ll have to ask yourself your own questions and you’ll have to answer them.


[QUOTE who=”imagoodboy”]<quoted text>

You have got something twisted somehow!

Do you think all humans exist as spirit angels before they become men so as to have memories of previous life?

If you claim you were an angel from heaven and lived with God before you became a man. Today, I sure they would class you as mentally unstable!

Before that It was put down as being possessed of a demon!

Grow up! Bethelman.[/QUOTE]

Michael became a man and “walked among us” to see it for himself, and to provide the perfection by sacrifice to atone for sins and sanctify the coming body in his perfect image, DNA and everything for the preservation of some through the extinction phase of Adam, which is a controlled divine process.

But it is necessary. The truth is the history of God’s creation begins with Michael as the right hand agent of God, and the history only gets more elaborate as more time passes.

The task of Jehovah’s witnesses [used to be] about and God’s true witnesses [for a season] was seeing the bigger picture of this history which came to include “time released history” in the form of a prophecy so complete God and Christ slaves would “KNOW the things which are ABOUT TO take place”. JWs knew some of this, but now it is necessary to know the finality BEFORE it occurs.

Anointed Christians are from another world, the one Christ comes from, as far as the “ETERNAL purpose of God” “before the founding of the world” which holy spirit has pre-existed the men and women who take up the calling of Christ. But they were not conscious beings in that world, they are from God’s spirit “new creation” formed long ago for a future purpose wherein King Christ commands the new ruling group for planetary life system of Earth benefit.

And they grasp the details of the Christ because the spirit knows all things, even if revealing only what is needed to the new creation.

The truth of all things, even some thing in themselves is too much for sinner man. So, God reveals these things in humans following the main Revelator Christ, as they are needed.

What is needed soon is the final warning and the Daniel 8:13-14 explanation as to why JW org was trampled globally prior to the final warning to get global attention and to prepare Jehovah’s witnesses for final mission. (Rev10:5-11)

God’s Eternal Purpose simply keeps moving forward. He uses Jehovah’s witnesses whether good or bad condition, as today, to further the events around them that lead to the final warning that has to come from their mouths, but a number of years (Dan8:14) from today and JW org downfall as will be seen on CNN globally and other news sources.



[QUOTE who=”imagoodboy”]<quoted text>
Yeah your have joined your friends that have failed miserable on prophecy . Now you have worked out it is within the next 15 years! lols

To the contrary I am still waiting YOUR scriptural reference teaching that Jesus Christ is a recycled archangel since you don’t believe he is an incarnated archangel. hahaha!


Their time has passed, failures known.

The time of this prophecy call is for the near future, it won’t fail because it is for recovered Jehovah’s witnesses who have to get up and also speak the same thing. It is just a final warning preview that had to come out a number of years before the events it describes from prophecy. It has been out only since 2012 in complete form as to the temple judgment Daniel 8:13-14 meaning to come on JWs and JW org.

So, it will require time to prove its veracity. It will not fail, because final prophecy is required and this one explains the JW UN NGO, GB and current apostasy in its most complete and prophetic manner.

World war is coming, easy to see even without prophecy, but it is also Rev13:3 pre-world-government sword-stroke to heal into that complete entity.

It is all actually very simple because the globalist system has used this exact same formula to present a UN step of four to world government in WW1,1919, WW2,1945 and Cold WW2, 1990.

They are now predictable even without prophecy. Prophecy is what puts it all in the proper order, it is also in prophecy in all its major indications of coming major global events all will be able to witness.

Once JW org goes down to begin Daniel 8:13-14 events and timing, you can expect the rest of this forecast shall follow.

JW org going down, after the fact, is the main hook to get JWs to understand this is no joke or just talk, it is exactly what it claims to be: The Final Warning outline of prophecy being manifested by God in a few final stepped events to be final indications leading to Christ arrival awareness among JWs first, then others, in general purpose of the notice.


[QUOTE who=”imagoodboy”]<quoted text>
Yeah your have joined your friends that have failed miserable on prophecy . Now you have worked out it is within the next 15 years! lols


It is in the Daniel 8:14+ Dan11:3+ Dan12:11 timings of 1150-2300 days+ 1260 days+ 1290 days. That is about 10 years, but the transitions do not have to be back to back.

I am just accounting for the time it takes to start the JW org judgment process of Dan8:13-14 and that timing has to transpire fully before the 1260 days begins.

That can one or two more years to begin, we have a certain “window of opportunity” now present. The Christ arrival is after Dan8:14 and Rev11:3 unwind fully, so it could be less than 15 years. The 15 years is according to the speculation the 1290 is part of Isaiah 38, where the 15 year JW extension exists.

What it means is the “day and hour” will stay unknown, but people will get a clear ball park for Christ arrival, in addition, world government competition will be seen by all for the global 666 phase, but not all will know or believe it triggers the Christ arrival.

But it does. As this all unfolds you will get more open minded, if not you can join the hypocrites.


[QUOTE who=”Samson”]Still no straight forward answer . Imagine asking any of the body of Christ in the first century. Do you think they would dodge and deflect like this?

I mean wasn’t it God who used them to pen the understanding that “the body of Christ” are suppose to follow as truth?

The self appointed , self elected “body of Christ” the fakes who’s comments are all over this forum are of course way out of harmony and unity with the true body alive in the first century and of course the true body today.

That is of course obvious! These fakes argue over truth the real body come to understand and dispense truth that has always been.[/QUOTE]

There is no prophetic body dispensing truth because JWs are GB hi-jacked, and the scattered anointed have little overall prophecy insight as a group, but they do understand in some of them the GB is an apostasy. How many know that is also a prophecy at Daniel 11:32a?

Not many. So the Devil has achieved the divide phase and now will move into his conquer phase, but the temple judgment of Daniel 8:13-14 has to wake up “10 virgins” of which only half catch on.

Fred Franz was the last prophetic spearhead of the group but the GB Vipers killed him for King North globalists and that is why they do not plainly ID King North as world government.

Because the GB works for KN and that is why they are wild beast UN NGO parties. (Dan11:32a)

As far as comments from the apostate JW peanut gallery of GB worshipers, it doesn’t matter, they are UN NGO and can’t even tell, so their advice is of no use, their insight black as shadows at midnight.

Anointed of Satan are who run Beth Hell. (Zech3:1-3; 2Thess2:9) That is why God has to crash the JW Org to send stealth Destroyer’s boys in to whack the GB and smear the walls with globalist intel and let a few skip out of the BBQ with sopping shorts and skipping heart beats to go give the report to the Assyrian globalist knobs back at world government promoter HQ that soemthign arther strange happened. (Isa31:8-9)

JWs will be recovered after they are Zech3:2 BBQd as well, but for refinement and cleansing purpose. (Dan8:14; Rev8:1-8)

It’s just the FINAL TEMPLE JUDGMENT CYCLE, that’s all.


[QUOTE who=”I_know_better_now “]<quoted text>

You have been found out as well. You are part of the take down. You are not kidding anyone. Your aggression towards Jehovah is quite obvious. Infiltration? Yes sure there is but you are the outside man helping bring calamity upon good people of faith. It’s teamwork a part of the nwo strategy trojan horse inside finger pointing on the outside. You are all one and the same.

Jehovah will not be mocked for whatever a man is sowing he will reap. Your self righteous act will be your undoing. Keep it up even increase, the result will be equal to the efforts. [/QUOTE]

There would be no warning except these messages. You would be caught with no option to consider once they go out to FEMA JWs. It is the US concentration camps we are seeing, it will be Nazi Germany-like, but global for about the same amount of time probably. Same routines, just different societies carrying it out as first 4 plague symptoms of “scorching sun”.

At least you have gotten the Dan8:13-14 alternative view, so once the stubbornness is ground out of your face, you will probably catch on for the final warning. You can’t see because you still share with the UN NGO GB Devils in blasphemy because your eyes are open. (Matt24:15)

Sorry kitten, once your eyes open there is no more closing them. Time to become a tom-tom cat. I can hear Destroyer’s drums in the distance, he don’t care if they know he is coming, he always gives fair warning anyways, and the temple is his first stop, and he ain’t happy with the JW bull.

The GB won’t make it and them infiltrators are ehaded for the furnace of Isa31:8-9. Some can flee to give the globalist Assyrians their sad sad news. No more party at JWville.

As per Isaiah 49 some JWs will be sprung from prison by Destroyer. The enemy won’t come back around much until after the 1260 days is complete, they get to lick their wounds a few years after they get a taste of The Destroyer’s mighty tasty fire.

(Isaiah 49:24-26) . . .Can those already taken be taken from a mighty man himself, or can the body of captives of the tyrant make their escape? 25 But this is what Jehovah has said: “Even the body of captives of the mighty man will be taken away, and those already taken by the tyrant himself will make their escape. And against anyone contending against you I myself shall contend, and your own sons I myself shall save. 26 And I will make those maltreating you eat their own flesh; and as with the sweet wine they will become drunk with their own blood. And all flesh will have to know that I, Jehovah, am your Savior and your Repurchaser, the Powerful One of Jacob.”


[QUOTE who=”wow”]<quoted text>

Be very careful with you, continuing your watchtower’s prophecies.

Have you forgotten, they ALL have failed in the past.?


Yeah they should have kept their mouth shut. But the reason was apostate malaise inside of Bethel, and that is prophecy at Daniel 11:32a, Dan8:12.

They have to be exposed that is why this came out since 2012 with their FDS stunt. But, overall it has to come out in certain fashion this time BEFORE it happens for 3 reasons:

1. It is really happening this time, world government completion is the final signal.

2. The full divine warning MUST precede the world government 666 phase, so people KNOW what they are dealing with. (Rev13:15-18; Rev14:9-11)

3. The Rev10:5-11 summary is by prophecy, promise fo God and an oath of God, so it is certain to come in with a kind vengeance fronted by the open salvation call to all mankind of Rev14:6-8, because this time, the wolf shows up.

This time it is real.

JW org downfall as Daniel 8:13-14 provides JW judgment desolations so people catch on God ain’t happy with JWs. And it provides a signal all can use, because it is timed, the desolations will not go beyond 3.19 years or half the “2300 evenings and mornings” or 1150 days “evening” phase.

When you see JW org go down on CNN, you’ll know what I am talking about. But it si only the Daniel 11:41-43 global context, it takes some years for them to finally get that world government done, this coming world war “sword stroke” resolves into world government.


(Matthew 24:29-31) 29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 And then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in lamentation, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he will send forth his angels with a great trumpet sound, and they will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds, from one extremity of the heavens to their other extremity.


What is interesting about this prophecy is the “tribulation of those days” phase of the “great tribulation” RESOLVES BEFORE Christ even arrives as plainly noted in the process.


Bethel ignored any comment on this prophecy for 10 years, only recently reciting it to tell JWs this is “the end”, in plain contradiction to the fact it is just the Christ arrival for the “four winds” sheep gathering of the “great crowd” parallel of that “four winds” statement which is no redundancy of Christ but an exact cross reference to the same “four winds”, under world government completion, when Christ gathers the sheep of the “great crowd”.


(Revelation 7:1) After this I saw four angels standing upon the four corners of the earth, holding tight the four winds of the earth, that no wind might blow upon the earth or upon the sea or upon any tree.

(Revelation 7:14) “These are the ones that come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Which is the same as this:


(Matthew 24:31) And he will send forth his angels with a great trumpet sound, and they will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds, from one extremity of the heavens to their other extremity.


No wonder the GB has swept this prophecy under the rug.


It shows:


1. The “tribulation of those days” of the four plague “sword stroke” and the zenith of the 3 enemy horse rides of Rev6 resolves with the world war “sword stroke got healed” of Rev13:3 which ALL RESOLVES [[BEFORE]] CHRIST ARRIVES!


2. The nation-state governmental pawning as King South, pawned globally by King North globalist world government is the “sun, moon, stars” whose lights go out, it is not “celestial phenomena” as Bethel tries to claim to bypass the symbology because they cover up world government 8th King King North meaning.


3. The 8th King UN “World Peace” “and security” is th period of the “four winds” which is the final depopulation agenda of world government then in final functionary weapons system control, not for nation versus nation war, but for the “bring many to ruin” DURING that same “freedom from care” of the “world peace and security” “sword-stroke healing” to promote world government positivity.


4. It is the period the “two witnesses” final warning is deposed as Daniel 12:11 and after, the BTG destruction of global religions all under the “one hour” “four winds” phase of selective destructions of world government authority.


5. It is the Daniel 8:25 “bring many to ruin during a freedom from care” parallel Daniel 11:44-45 “in order to devote many to destruction” as the “palatial tents” of distributed central world government finalizes globally and people’s worst nightmare, world government depopulation “Georgia Guidestones Overdrive” selective purge phase begins as that “four winds” global context.


And that is this global extinction attempt mode Christ deposes, already arrived to do so, the last part of the “great tribulation” in these “four winds” above, “cut short” by direct divine intervention at the very moment needed in history:


(Matthew 24:21-22) for then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again. 22 In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short.


Thus, when Christ arrives it is for a very good reason, or else no life on Earth would remain because Satan is given the authority to guard the system which means he can control the global centralized nano-computing system weapons and precision energy network as easy as possessing a serial killer, and that right from Space NATO placements globally distributed for this final “:guard” allowed by God, in fact required by Him:


(Ezekiel 38:7) 7 “‘“Be ready, and let there be preparation on your part, you with all your congregation, those congregated alongside you, and you must become their guard.


Thus, complete world government will usher in the worst period, the “four winds”, during its freedom from care recovery world peace “one hour” (Rev17:12), because it will be global and selective in depopulation scheduled deployments, it will trigger a Satanic manifestation possibly into the weapons network.


Thus the world government phase of the tribulation, even if claiming world peace, will be far more dangerous than the “tribulation of those days” and world war “sword stroke” that led to it. because they will assume full Har-Magedon 100% control of the global and space placed weapons network for final agenda use.


Then Christ drops in on them when he needs to drop by.


[QUOTE who=”Analytical7″]<quoted text>
Has it even occurred to you that maybe Satan doesn’t attack you because he already has you? Lol..

Maybe he knows that what you believe is far from the truth and that no matter what one shows you considering the truth that your hardened heart has already made up its mind, I mean why would he need to attack someone who doesn’t need to be attacked? Wouldn’t make any sense

The moment you started to believe and accept that Jesus is God Satan didn’t need to attack you anymore.. Just because you not part of an organised religion you still share many of their false teachings which doesn’t make you any better than those who are in one.

You know that GB thing JWs got going? Well it is a FALSE teaching too, Christ don’t roll with front men “middle man” JW Papacy any more than he does with them Papal Clowns. The GB is the SAME THING.

As Joe Rutherford’s caddy bumper sticker once read: RELIGION IS A RACKET!

He did not say “false religion”, he said RELIGION period. And now JWs have proven The Judge was right, now JWs are also misled by the GB into what is just the newest version of “false religion”, because they all go bad in time.

But there is good news. But there is bad news too. The good news is JWs are not really “witnesses” because they ain’t seen nothing to speak about seeing in prophecy since 1945 and the UN image thingy. Come 1990 UN 3.0 they joined the wildbeast as a UN NGO endorsement unit, and think NOTHING of it for their lil’ GB sweeties say it is all OK with God, all’s good lil’ JW suckers! All’s good all the way to the bank to the tune of 30 BILLION dollars WTBTS net worth.

So the JW “warning” is dated and invalid now which the good news is it buys everyone some more time because of the bad news. (Dan8:12; Dan11:32a)

The bad news is JWs need a big disciplinary judgment now, a mega one, a global one, a final temple judgment cycle as Dan8:13-14 begins Rev8 on JW org by desolations globally seen; even on CNN. (Matt24:15)

AFTER that Dan8:14 timing, JWs will be recovered and have to condemn the GB lie (2Thess2:11-12) and disclose all sins and make public global apology to all mankind, and explain all the stuff they forgot to “see” since 1990. Most importantly, to climb out of the smoking modern weed pile, JWs have to repent. JWs have gone bad. Very GB bad.

The world war context JWs will find themselves in for that final warning of Rev10:11 will NOT be “the end” the final JW error will claim, it will resolve as God said at Rev13:3 into 8th King 666 World Government, not even the end yet until they say “world peace everyone! All hail your new world ruler 8th King King North!” (1Thess5:1-3; Rev11:7-15)

So as you can see, JWs have gone well off the 405 Freeway course and are stalled in the dark night of Watts. (Hence the “morning” of Dan8:14 will give them directions back to the Freeway)



From Russell to Franz was a progression from the foundations of basic truths to complete the original Reformation attempts at the very time the Lutheran Church branches fully assumed nuclear theological and administrative features of the Papal clergy and mythology DNA.

From the Adventists foundation Russell killed the last couple of theological vipers, and Rutherford moved ahead to structuralize the whole plot and prophecy complex upon an emerging prophecy framework being demonstrated in post 1913 Anglo-American zenith nationalism partnership and its Globalist World Government first step of four in the League of Nations ascending from oblivion with the first world war from a time they did not know they would need to start to number the world wars.

Thus, it was undeniable a new era in human global power dynamics had just begun. This was as easily ascertainable from secular post 1914 geo-political studies of post WW1 global positionings, the financial history of global central banking and the global military entourage of industry and intelligence as it was now prophecy.

This two unique features of the Bible Students ministry began to emerge as it would continue into the Jehovah’s Witnesses ministry:

1. For the FIRST TIME since the 1st Century Christ era, prophecy began to manifest right before people’s eyes in striking manner at the very same time a “Kingdom of God Invitational Warning” was also being historically issued as it all matched prophecy like a perfectly fit empty area of a missing puzzle piece. This is why that Bible Students ministry had such an impact and positively affected the whole Adventist branch of Christianity.

2. As the Bible Students evolved into Jehovah’s Witnesses, for the first time EVER, a complete picture of the entire sovereign prophecy build-up to Armageddon was being fully explained upon a completely truthful foundation to emerge from the final filtration of key Christendom errors which had obscured God’s purpose for the Christ sacrifice and planet Earth’s “gentile” population majority.

NO FAITH on Earth had painted such a complete picture!

Revelation 11 “TWO Witnesses” Times 1260 Days is the Final Seven Times

Now this is the “first witnessing” 1260 day period of that era of the “two witnesses” impact on Earth, which foundations and frameowrk is the basis of the coming final warning “second witnessing” to complete the “TWO witnesses” in another 1260 days of prophecy to be known BEFORE it happens this time, to complete a “seven times” sovereign permission principle in now 2520 days which began in 1914-1918.

Now, the Russell explained “seven times” as 2520 YEARS simply ended completely, but into the 1914 incept year of this “seven times” of Revelation 11 which is no coincidence but divine providence.

For those who missed the “first witnessing” import now being undermined by the illegal “Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses” even further, prophecy and scripture is much like Alphabet Soup where in no message is formed, only a broth with pieces of an intelligible language which only form a scrabble of confusion for those still feeding on this soup, such as sidgi here.

Nothing will really make sense.

But the second witnessing is designed by God to make a final appeal to these kinds of people as well as everyone else at varying levels of personal faith development. Afet JW Org goes down in divine judgment as Daniel 8:13-14, the “second witnessign” shall emerge and explain that timed propehcy as the Revelation 8 final temple judgment parallel it is, as paragraph 1 of the “little scroll”. (Rev10:5-11)

8th King World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3; Dan12:11), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

If people can come to realize that much, the message in their spoonful of Alphabet Soup should read: SALVATION.

You can bet your life God will give a totally complete and full warning BEFORE all the final Christ arrival INDICATIONS from prophecy and world developments it describes start to REALLY unfold in grand manner. Glad you are seeing it!

I bet my life Daniel 8:13-14 has not fulfilled yet. And that is the problem Fred Franz had. Now I respect Fred Franz he was the one the GB was developed to undermine. But when you try to interpret a prophecy with no indications yet of fulfillment as he did in the 1950’s fro Daniel 8:13-14, you can easily get it wrong.

But now we have HUGE evidence of spiritual and criminal lawlessness among Jehovah’s witnesses. And like Fred Franz, Jehovah’s witnesses are not to blame, the same GB entity that undermined Knorr and Franz, are who brought in the things like the UN NGO, and the pedophile allowances and the questionable “laying up of riches” to the tune of WTBTS net worth of 30 BILLION dollars.

So, honestly, to be a witness for God we have to be honest. And honestly the Jehovah’s witnesses ministry is in the WRONG CONDITION as related to the Daniel 8:14 “right condition” purpose of the coming final Temple Judgment cycle. The Scarlet Wildbeast World Government development, even if just the UN “image” at this time, is the rival of God’s Kingdom, the antithesis of Jesus Christ’s Messianic Kingdom.

So, no matter what the reason may be as an excuse, that JW UN NGO MUST bring a judgment, and it is Matthew 24:15 “disgusting thing” “standing in a holy place” and the “transgression causing desolation” to the “holy place” of Daniel 8:13-14.

When you see Daniel 8:13 events come on the JW org visible signal as desolations globally applied, timed as Daniel 8:14, phased as Daniel 8:26, you will know the rest of this forecast’s “seven trumpets” will also unfold in the same manner, but over time, because Rev8:3-5 and Rev8 “trumpet 1” are the temple judgment parallel.

And when Jehovah’s witnesses eventually get recovered into that Daniel 8:14 “right condition”, it will be along a seven trumpet progression to world government completion to trigger the Christa arrival and it will fully warn of that meaning. So, we have some YEARS left. The world war that is coming will be designed to look like “sword stroke” doomsday. BUT, as per Rev13:3 that “sword stroke” “heals” and the global psychological relief of NO DOOMSDAY EVERYONE!, but “World Peace” “and security” under world government (1Thess5:1-3) is deployed so the world accepts world government admirably. (Rev17:8-12)

Be patient, these final developments have to come out as a final warning and it will all be gauged on the seven trumpets and plagues which meanings will be fully explained by recovered Jehovah’s witnesses but in a much more streamlined, honest and accounted, and user-friendly ministry by that time.

Keep studying and praying, Daniel 8:13-14 will become the key proof prophecy to start the whole thing. (1Pet4:17) And JWs will become a global signal even in the initially negative effects of the temple judgment. Once the GB is removed, it will head into recovery from this accounting desolation “evening” phase of 3.19 years minimum. (Hos6:1-3; Isa37:30-32; Dan8:14/2)


IF they don’t nuke Trump to start the next world war “sword stroke”, then he will walk out in the 100 billion dollar range. The average politician walks into office making about 150K a year and walks out with 10 million.

But compared to Trump, they are retards and Trump is a builder genius and that is also why the Whitehouse can be made lucrative for him. He has the potential of being greater than Kennedy because he is far more aware of what it took Kennedy a couple years to barely figure out in regard to the Fed and CIA.

That is why Trump may just go the same route as Kennedy, they cannot allow a full revival of nation-state King South system, King North globalism shall prevail, and Trump, like Kennedy, may aid the process in a possibly disastrous manner he would not have planned.

But he is probably the smartest president since maybe Thomas Jefferson the place ever had. Very few idiots know how to make a million, much less billions. So, he knows what he is doing as far as good business. Knowing what you are doing is never well liked when in the Whitehouse with the 4th Reich Globalists in the rise.

[QUOTE who=”Jenkins”]<quoted text>

I would refer you to Isaiah 43:10 where JWs get namr from. There is no other God. So how exactly is Michael a mighty god?[/QUOTE]

There is only one God to worship. It is specified because there are many other “gods” that men treat as divine, even humans and Satan. But I mean Immortal Gods, Jehovah and Christ. Christ is a Gid but not the one to worship.

Michael was Melchizedek as well: King of Righeousness. It is the INDESTRUCTIBLE LIFE FORM of Heb7:16, Psalm 110. “Gods” are defined by being Immortal and only by Jehovah God, there are only 2. God Almighty upgraded Michael to Immortal Mighty God after the Christ mission.

Satan, demons and angels are as mortal as flies, except in the case of holy angels they have eternal life based on obedience to God Almighty. But unlike Mike, they can be destroyed, Michael is indestructible even by God, he is like God now. One on one tested for Immortal Mission.

(Hebrews 7:15-17) . . .And it is still more abundantly clear that with a similarity to Melchizedek there arises another priest, 16 who has become such, not according to the law of a commandment depending upon the flesh, but according to the power of an indestructible life, 17 for in witness it is said: “You are a priest forever according to the manner of Melchizedek.”

The Earth planetary life system now based on Satan and sin:

(Hebrews 2:14-16) . . .Therefore, since the “young children” are sharers of blood and flesh, he also similarly partook of the same things, that through his death he might bring to nothing the one having the means to cause death, that is, the Devil; 15 and [that] he might emancipate all those who for fear of death were subject to slavery all through their lives. 16 For he is really not assisting angels at all, but he is assisting Abraham’s seed.

Must come under a new life power source. Thus as per Rev22:

(Revelation 22:12-14) . . .“‘Look! I am coming quickly, and the reward I give is with me, to render to each one as his work is. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end. 14 Happy are those who wash their robes, that the authority [to go] to the trees of life may be theirs and that they may gain entrance into the city by its gates.

By that time at the end of the 1000 Year Reign of Christ, humans can also access tested immortality. Because by that time “the city” of “New Jerusalem, Heavenly Jerusalem” has “come down from Heaven” eventually accessible as such ON EARTH to men who remain obedient. And as with Adam Eve being barred from the tree of life, it has extended benefits no man has ever partaken of; yet.

Jesus could have, but he partook of Immortality in the spirit form to plug-in into Earth so all things can live forever in the New Eden gone global. Earth has to be based on an Immortal life force, in time.

(Ezekiel 47:9) . . .everything will be alive . . .

The problem is Satan is the death force, but he’s on his way out now. But as Jesus said, at this time for some, these kinds of things are too much to bear.

(John 13:7) . . .What I am doing you do not understand at present, but you will understand after these things. . .

(Ecclesiastes 3:21) . . .Who is there knowing the spirit of the sons of mankind, whether it is ascending upward; and the spirit of the beast, whether it is descending downward to the earth?

God and Christ know. (Ps133)

It is likely Melchizedek was not a human but materialized Michael blessing Abraham for Jehovah.

[QUOTE who=”GreatSouthbay4040″]<quoted text> Government is tied in with business. Most certainly!! And yet its not. Yes, a bit of a contradiction. Im well aware.. But, he really is cluless as to how to run things.

You are correct that he’s in it for his business and i will add that Americans in flyover country are responsible for him him being elected. They have no idea what they just did.

Dont be razzled and dazzled with your eyes as to his wordly wealth. There are several scriptures in the bible that touch on that, in fact.

As far as him profiting from his office? I got news for ya, guy…….There are Republicans who are waiting for him to slip up. His avarice ( greed) will do him in. That along with him believing he’s above the rules.

The one Republicans really want is Mike Pence.

He is not clueless, he just goes “the new world order” way of aligning things rather than the 500 year old nation-state “old world order” way which no longer works with the new.

IF they do not nuke Trump, they know he knows “the corporation” the one shell Globalist Corporate Nucleus, is what rules the non-executive functions of World Government, NOT nation-state governments any longer they are just pawned and dated corporations anyways.

When it comes to trans-national corporatism Washington is CLUELESS, while Trump and Kushner are experts, they have legal experts at international financial law.

If they do not nuke Trump then he is perfect in understanding to transition the US national government into the Corporate Globalist Pantheon. They will do this with or without Trump, just saying globalist legal systems run differently than national. And once “international law of consent” becomes Rev13:15-18 INTERNATIONAL LAW ENFORCED by the 8th King/King North system, that is the form of law which defines the order in the “new world order”.

Trump knows the new order of corporate alignments, Washington knows the King South dated way which must be absorbed by the King North “new” order. In any event, Washington becomes a world government vassal “state”, so to speak. (Dan11:42-43; Rev17:11-13)


[QUOTE who=”Samson”]When you’re a pretender a fake you are easy to trip up and easy to toy with. You may think this is a waste of time but in fact it discerns who not to be fooled by.

If you are one of those constantly tripped up I cannot help you,you do not realize it, you have no reasoning skills you are spoken of in the bible. You will find out in due course exactly where that part is not in my domain. In fact they are that unreasoning that addressing them just then held no purpose for them, they actually think they’re doing a good job on this forum. Rather its for those of you who notice their stumbling and groping I’m the darkness, thrown to and fro. Making bold statements then back peddling whilst trying to make it look like they’re not back peddling.

To the rest if you notice this then notice nothing else. People to avoid………or toy with.[/QUOTE]

In the temple judgment 5 “fool virgins” are purged. This means as per Matt22:1-14 a final call for anointing opportunity comes after the JW org desolation.

JWs are the ones who got big headed and lukewarm.

So God has a final call that comes after the temple “right condition” of Daniel 8:13-14 is reached in the future. Some anointed are among Jehovah’s witnesses, but due to “man of lawlessness” GB and rampant lawlessness among JWs, anointed are being pulled from the boonies as per Matt22:1-14.

Many JW anointed shall be pawned by the GB deceptions and will have to be tossed into the weed pile. It is what it is. JWs have gone Dan11:32a bad, so all Christians among them are in danger, not just anointed; hence Matt24:15 command of Christ to flee the now UN NGO doomed JW organ.

I am sorry to have to report this to JWs, but we made our own GB bed of nails. Now it is time to reap what has actually been UN NGO sown.

(Micah 2:10-11) . . .Get up and go (Matt24:15), because this is not a resting-place. Because of the fact that she has become unclean, there is a wrecking; and [the] wrecking work is painful. 11 If [The GB], walking by wind and falsehood, has told the lie: “I shall let [words] drop to you concerning wine and concerning intoxicating liquor,” he also will certainly become the one letting [words] drop for [Jehovah’s witnesses].

That WT 11/15/13 pg 20, par 17, #3 thing where they say “obey the org as crazy as it sounds” ALREADY sounds crazy.

“”Figuratively speaking, however, God’s people will flee to the refuge that Jehovah provides.”” (WT 07/15/2015, pg. 16, par. 7-8)

WT quote (WT 11/15/2013, pg. 20, par. 17, #3):

“”Elders who are reading this article can draw some useful conclusions from the account we have just considered:…

[And sandwiched into the admonishment:]

(3) At that time, the lifesaving direction that we receive from Jehovah’s organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint. All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not.

Obviously Bethel is planning to use the org, to herd JWs to capture.

I was NOT born yesterday, THIS is NOT good! So I say flee, but as Jesus said at Matthew 24:15 “let the reader use discernment”, because that “disgusting thing” is that Daniel 11:31 3rd UN event of 1990, the very one WTBTS adjoined as UN NGO of the “UN System”.

But once fled, don’t expect a picnic either, this phase coming up will have a peak period within the overall “great tribulation” to define a true “tribulation of those days”. So we need faith and reliance of God and Christ to ride this “sword stroke” storm out; in time it will “heal” into world government and before it does the final warning has to have emerged from the Daniel 8:13-14 JW org signal global desolation.

Now JWs are being set up. They are being told it just ends into Armageddon. So, when the storm hits, they can play on the premature end delusion to herd JWs helter skelter globally. And YES, you do NOT want to get stuck with JWs in this herding process.

Be careful, I fled, I feel they are going to try to CAPTURE JWs when this thing hits. It DEFINITELY is NOT “the end” yet as per Matthew 24:6 as well.


[QUOTE who=”HaShomer”]<quoted text>

The woman of Revelation 12 is Israel and the twelve stars are the twelve tribes of Israel.

Genesis 37:9 9 Then Joseph had another dream, and he told it to his brothers. “Listen,” he said, “I had another dream, and this time the sun and moon and eleven stars were bowing down to me.”

Also read Jeremiah chapter 31

Joseph a type and shadow of Messiah Yahushua.

When he came the first time he came as the suffering servant Messiah Ben Yoseph riding on a donkey, when he comes the second time he will come as Messiah Ben David, riding on a white horse.

If you are interested in knowing more do a google on Messiah Ben Joseph and Messiah Ben David.

The child born to the woman is Messiah Yahushua

Revelation 12:5 She gave birth to a son, a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.” And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne.

But he will return as Messiah Ben David to rule for 1000 years.[/QUOTE]

Nope, it is as Jehovah’s witnesses have explained. The above has too many problems with prophetic consistency, Israel is just like a gentile nation, they rejected the Christ of God and that has ramifications forever. As per Abrahamic Covenant the “twelve tribes” are when all “families of the ground” and “nations of the earth” are recovered now expanded through Christ to global Matt19:28 proportions.

The post 36 CE Israel has been shelved. (Dan9:26-27)

As per Rom 11:15 they are recovered in the general resurrection. The Israelites who did not reject Christ are treated as per Rev11:15-18, Ps45:16.

The Jew superiority complex of elitist versions of Zion and non-Zionism are just the normal fleshly grip of illusions that end up causing much bloodshed. The Jewish leaders are not done bringing calamity on the average Jew, under “tribulation of those days” and 666 world government it will zenith. “Israel” is just a 666 support prop to finalize the decoy false prophecies to sell 666 world government as if “Zion everyone!!” which will use a version of your own delusion you related above, and will bring ruin to all who imbibe that final Israel lie.

Jew elitism just doesn’t fly anymore. It brings a heavy curse. In this world, the Jews are done. They didn’t like the news when Christ spoke it, they won’t like it anymore so now. They cannot be entrusted even with a bowl of rice.


Eventually, the Messianic Kingdom is the finality of it all under Christ, and with at least 30 BILLION people to recover in one on one 24/7/365 manner perfectly it has to be beyond ANYTHING human we can imagine from the context of this world. Plus, more than humans are to be “re-created”. When God does something nothing is left out.

Russell was from the era aftermath when Christians were hounded, murdered, dungeon raped and tortured and burnt at the stake by the Papacy. So those Reformation vessels had to see that through and compared to Satanic Catholicism and TODAY’S GB Satanist Anointed, I would give all those pre 1900 Adventist branch guys a break, including Ellen White, it just was not time to start the final phase to Scarlet Wildbeast World Government yet, and by and large they did pretty good at clarifying out of the Catholic leaven.

People today do not understand so vividly the murderous intent of the Catholic Papacy, they were horrible and are the “S and M” conduit of all that bondage garbage, THAT is what went on in the Papal dungeons. Russell was a white kitten compared to the Devils of Catholic Christendom.

But Jesus Christ focus NEVER fails as far as his power from God to save by faith in his sacrifice. It is all that matters. But for the final warning avoiding 666 is very important for availing the Christ sacrifice because it is the only “sin” that can blot out the sacrificial cover. Accepting 666 world government that late in the game is as good as sinning against the holy spirit for those with a Christian background, so the final warning will have to fully clarify the danger and tell people just who world government completion shall trigger in the King of kings.

There will have to be a “second witness” Two witnesses final warning, we will know as it emerges from the JW org rubble and judgment of Dan8:13-14. We do not want to end up where half the anointed will end up: 5 “foolish virgins” weed rejection.

Being Christian has periods of expected ACTION beyond the norm. We have to be patient to see exactly how God will manifest the final warning because its OPEN SALVATION OFFER GUARANTEE has to front the entire action to lead to Rev14:6-8 in global reality.

It is a final warning, but it is very positive because of the open salvation offer ANYONE can avail themselves of, the action required being NOT taking the 666 of world government 8th King allegiance. All allegiance goes to God and Christ and their Kingdom power. The choice shall be the one, or the other, there is to be no middle ground come world government Rev13:15-18, Rev14:9-11 time.


[QUOTE who=”GreatSouthbay4040″]<quoted text> No, BJD. They are restructuring. Simple as that. This has been a longtime in the making. I am not privy to their financial info any more than you, i or anyone else. So i would not presume to speak for them. Again…Neither should you or anyone else.

What i do KNOW is that additional kh’s and assembly halls that are needed all over the earth. Many in poor lands. Soon, the funds of this world will not have any value. Better to invest them now while they are still useful and can be put to good use…The society has been stating that for quite a while. Better to put funds to pursue kingdom interests


You would be surprised how privy you can become with the right corporate intelligence software services such as that employed by Orbis and Zurich Institute of Technology. Google itself can reveal some very interesting numbers.

For example via Google we can determine WTBTS has greater net worth than the LDS Church 30 BILLION.

JWs are not savvy investors. Normal investors seeing this kind of anomalous activity would not simply by the “reorganization” cover story. Normal investors seeing a “board of directors” reduce marker share from 14% in 1975 to -1-3% today would fire that board, or “governing body”. Normal investors would rightly wonder where this last 20 billion went, WTBTS is around 50 BILLION in networth but as shall soon be revealed in the UK first, they have been skimming it for years via the big central and investment banks and derivatives conduits.

JWs are gullible, like stealing candy from a baby for these guys of Danial 11:32a now Dan11:41 INSIDE the JW org as per Dan11:31a.

It has been a racket fully operable since the real org “restructuring” of 2001, when the GB went into front group purpose and over 10 “shadow boards” actually control that 50 billion. This was explained in a WT article, but not to all the details we can now piece together. They sold DUMBO to globalist Jared Kushner, so they will be converting these and other JW “New World HQ” faclities for NWO use in the near future.

Since you seem a little out of touch it is called a “corporate coup” which began with the GB 1976 WTBTS coup internal.

This is why they can tell you the JW org is going down “soon, very soon” as per WT 7/15/15, WT 11/15/15, because the GB is speaking Globalist anti-JW Org prophecy, they know because they are involved with the coup for the KN enemy system.

To incapacitate the average JW, they just tell the Zech11 “flock meant for the killing” that is the “the end of the world brothers!”; that will hoodwink JWs for a few more years as JW org ends, and the world just proceeds through final sword stroke world war of Rev13:3 to world government of Rev13;15-18, Rev17:8-13.

JWs have been compromised from within by the GB tool. (Dan8:12; Dan11:32a)


[QUOTE who=”GreatSouthbay4040″]<quoted text> I have yet to see a newly built KH that’s a shack. It may not fit in with Western standards. Nevertheless, it is appropriate for the locale it’s in. The brothers take great care to build decent and respectable places of worship.

When you locate a photo or a video of a kingdom hall thats been directly financed by the society that is literally a shack. Please let us know with photo and when it was built. Surely, i would not want my donated funds to be spent recklessly.

Im sure many within the org would agree with me on this. Including the society who is directly in charge of the financial oversight and dispensation of said funds.


They have been thinking ahead now. The new Kingdom Hall designs are rather generic now, they look like dry cleaning places. This is so they can reconvert these more business friendly buildings for real estate sale when JW org is taken over; they are now window friendly and just as easily a Tatoo shop, book store or circle K as they are a Kingdom Hall.

Now who sees a crash coming as many do and then strips the congregational savings of their “for a rainy day” funds? Why the evil GB KN cronies of Daniel 11:32a that’s who. What this guarantees is when the crash comes and the JW org is taken over as now being “foretold” by the GB, these halls will all be lost.

While it is happening the “KN insider” GB will look like veritable “prophets”, but their source of “siege” details, even the flow of the takeover as per WT7/15/15, is all from enemy anti-JW-org intel; that is how all of a sudden that WT 7/15/15 “Your Deliverance is getting Near” article is so detailed. This GB ain’t seen nothing since they killed Fred Franz on Saturnalia solistice 1992 to Satan, as they did Russell on the other Satanic holiday Halloween. Yet now out of the blue they are detailing the JW org siege as per that said article like some kind of “self-fulfilling prophecy” prophets, and JWs don’t think anything is odd about this little blast of “new light” they won’t even call “new light” because ti places they JW org “attack” not “at the end with Gog” but now at the beginning of the final cycle.

And JWs will buy this for the whole 3.19 years “evening” darkness of the temple desolations of Daniel 8:13-14 until they finally catch on the JW org apostasy is what has ended with the JW ministry, bTG and the world will continue to the very place the prophecy states: world government 8th King King North King Fierce.

But since Dan11:31b, Dan8:23 3rd UN 1990 “disgusting thing” event UN-NGO-JWs have been covering up and silent on all this modern UN-to-world-government prophecy (Dan8:12b) so they have no clue world government completion is required by the prophecy (Dan11:45; Dan8:25; Rev13:15-18; Rev17:8-13; Rev13:3), and that completed world government entity, in an engineered “world peace” claim period (1Thes5:1-3), is what triggers the Christ arrival.

It will be as much news to JWs to be recovered and cleansed by these tempe judgemnt (1Pet4:17; Dan8:13-14; Zech3:1-5) events for the final warning preparation and deploy as it will be for the gloabl audience of that “second witnessing” of Rev9-11:1-7 TWO witnesses, 1914-1918 witness 1, future, witness 2.

THEN the end of the 8th King system shall come. (Matt24:13-14; Dan11:32b)

[QUOTE who=”GreatSouthbay4040″

You know…..I am convinced that Trump’s Russian connections is what will bring him down.


Well “Russia Connections” did not help Lincoln or Kennedy. There are many JFK parallels with Trump, not to mention his middle name. They will only let him restore the US nation-state to the degree of the fake peace and security, imo.

Then they have to reverse his progress and he will aid the overall globalist agenda as did Kennedy albeit not by direct planning but by circumstances. The beginning of the end of the US King South nation-state to pass into “4th Reich” hands fully was the removal of JFK, it was the modern pivot point to align King South for King North globalist pawning to compeltion of Daniel 11:42-43 which must get more severe in the coming world war/crash “Sword stroke” cycle. (Rev13:3; Isa41:1)

Very conveniently, GB-KN (Dan11:32a) hoodwinked JWs will think this attack is Daniel 11:44 way way way too soon, it will be the Daniel 11:41-43 zenith end of King South which takes a few years to run its full course. Even the Daniel 11:41 invasion of JW org globally takes a good 3 years to run its course as parallel in the Daniel 11:42-43 nation-state crash context global.


[QUOTE who=”RedhorseWoman”]<quoted text>

In a country that claims to support freedom of religion, a database registry based on a person’s religious beliefs is akin to what Hitler did with regard to the Jews. Yes, there are a few Muslims who have radical views, but demonizing an entire group because of the actions of a few is something that is done mainly by dictators.

Do you honestly think that demonizing these young people who already feel “displaced” is going to make them less likely to cause problems?


He just did that for a few votes.

As Snowden attested they already have a database in which “religious affiliation” is just one relational database table as every piece of possible “citizen data” is in EVERYONE’s profile.

Trump is not so backward as to not know what the NSA does by default with their CIA puppet, and that yes “Operation Paperclip” utilized 3rd Reich Nazi’s for 4th Reich American carry-overs in space, psychiatric and intelligence/martial system research headed at times by former Nazi experts “paper-clipped” into America as easily researched in the NASA history and wiki.

For example, IBM aided the 3rd Reich as tech companies already are aiding the 4th Reich global expansion period to world government.

They have profiled everyone already, what do people think that 30 million room national FEMA “hotel” system is all about? Public Housing? No, it is US concentration camps for when they turn the food stamps OFF among other “unfundable liabilities”.

It’s coming, but it will only get 10% of the global population until under world government, then it turns into the destructions of Dan8:25, Dan11:44 and the Christ Trigger context of Matt24:21-22 which all occur under completely globalized world government.

Btw, that WT 11/15/13 weird “obey the org as crazy as it may sound” article is about the GB Pied Piper JW herding process for US FEMA and other global JW detention centers. The CIA probably calls that anti-JW op something like “Operation Pied Piper”.

Amazingly all this stuff is well explained in literally 500 YouTube documentaries and US internment system data, it is no “conspiracy theory” it is prepared for coming final world war “sword stroke” realities. But, they only get so many people, the sword stroke will heal, America will fall as 7th King/King South into 8th King King North WORLD GOVERNMENT.

Warning, spoiler ahead:

That illegal global sovereign rival entity “world government” is what triggers the Christ arrival. They lose that war with God.


[QUOTE who=”little lamb”]<quoted text>

I wouldn’t call people who promote an organization , spurn Jehovah’s new covenant ..disregard Jesus as the ‘governing head’

as Jehovah witnesses ..that is taking Gods name in vain ..I call them Watchtowerites.[/QUOTE]

I know. It is too much to type: Jehovah’s-former-now-GB-witnesses. It does much to discredit all the truths to come out since the 1800s, when Catholic myths were as far as it had gone. Now JWs are aiding the retrograde process, but you can bet God is not going to take nor remain Rev8:1 “silent” for much longer.

It has been 70 years GB preparatory rot in print since 1944, and 40 years GB Korah Tyranny since 1976. Or as per Rev8:12 literally “1/3” of the overall Bible Students to JW ministry time span, and now it is 33% darkened as per the modern prophecy application.

33% leaven wormwood is NOT a “right condition”. (Dan8:14)

But JW judgment downfall will get much global attention as the drama unfolds to the final warning, and that is why God 2Thess2:11-12 allows the “operation of error” to turn into “the lie” Dan8:12 “gradually given over” to this debased state over them decades mentioned previously.

Now as per Paul’s indication from God, God looks for a “love of the truth” rather than “the lie”. What JW dishonesty is making plain is TRUTH is not high on the JW bullet list; traditions and appearances are #1 with today’s GB vain JWs.

God requires a “witness” to be HONEST about our own “house”. If a witness is blind or dishonest they are no longer any use to God. But God is known to open eyes, the goal is to discipline and clean up JWs and provide the horrific context of this “temple purification” principle for others to get the message with no need of them same strokes.

(Isaiah 28:18-19) And your covenant with Death will certainly be dissolved, and that vision of yours with Sheol will not stand. The overflowing flash flood, when it passes through—you must also become for it a trampling place. 19 As often as it passes through, it will take you men away, because morning by morning it will pass through, during the day and during the night; and it must become nothing but a reason for quaking TO MAKE OTHERS UNDERSTAND what has been heard.” (Dan11:41; Dan8:13-14)

JWs have been a signal, and God will Zech4:6-9 finish the temple work and signal where he began it, BUT its intent is for the global public to apply as individuals as a reminder Christ is “he who searches the kidneys and hearts”

(Revelation 2:20-23) . . .“‘Nevertheless, I do hold [this] against you, that you tolerate that woman Jezebel…22 Look! I am about to throw her into a sickbed, and those committing adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of her deeds. 23 And her children I will kill with deadly plague, so that all the congregations will know that I am he who searches the kidneys and hearts, and I will give to YOU individually according to YOUR deeds.

As we see since post 2001 UN NGO news, JWs refuse to repent with their Jezebel “Mother” org and GB father of the lie, even when confronted with that evil UN NGO news. It’s like water off a duck.

(Revelation 2:2) 2 ‘I know your deeds, and your labor and endurance, and that you cannot bear bad men, and that you put those to the test who say they are apostles, but they are not, and you found them liars.


[QUOTE who=”little lamb”]<quoted text>

I really believe that we have to focus on Jesus , anyone who focus on and puts faith in men scriptures state are cursed

Jeremiah 17 [5-7] “Cursed is the able-bodied man who puts his trust in earthling man and actually makes flesh his arm, and whose heart turns away from Jehovah himself,

” On the other hand, “blessed is the able-bodied man who puts his trust in Jehovah, and whose confidence Jehovah has become.”

Blessed is the man whose confidence Jehovah has become [/QUOTE]

Revelation 10:5-11 is the final requirement. There will be a signal recovery because at this time it is just scattered sheep and its going to get worse and it is all wandering even if they have Jesus there is a final portion of his mission for the period to wind down into 8th King world government.

But it will get clear as a bell when the little scroll commission is handed forth, it has to be into a body in the “right condition” of Daniel 8:14, and Daniel 8:13 is not a picnic because all anointed are the first to be judged one way or the other and this late in the game that is no joke.

Focus on Christ is of course the key but now it is time to do what they did in the first century when they faced Nero, it is time to gitter-Rev10:5-8-done with God’s help. Following Christ means grabbing the torture stake, not just the pleasantries. To tickle ears is not good for this period coming up (Matt24:13), none of God’s servants can get complacent, the “tribualtion of those days” PHASE comign up is no picnic, but it is not impossible to conquer either.

The purpose of the GB is to tickle JW ears, and get them expecting relief way way way tooooo soooon! This way they want JWs to be vanquished in endurance when things do not turn out to be quite to 1-2-3 as the GB is LYING to JWs to 2Thess2:1-2 expect, as the evil Daniel11:32a Devils they are from the enemy system DIRECTLY PLACED for this coming Dan11:41; Dan8:13 JW global assault coming up.

Strength comes form God not flesh. It is all part of the adventure of being a Christian on the spearhead that points to Christ arrival with absolute certainty marked by massive global event prophecy indicators such as JW org decimation-globally in a global tribulation going to full blown.

JW org downfall will become a HUGE global indication of God getting active, Destroyer cleansing the temple will prepare the final mission vessel and anointed understanding for those making this temple judgment of all anointed. It is time, God always does a final inspection prior to a purifying mega-signal-judgment.

World government is no joke, but then again neither is the Christ arrival in full force and power. This is the big one that leads to that REALITY of the world judgment.

[QUOTE who=”little lamb”]<quoted text>

I suspect that the great tribulation , that is destined to occur , is the destruction of Babylon the Great …and that is going to be all big religious institutions …[/QUOTE]


Overall yes.

It does go down in the tribulation, but the very serious portion of Matt24:21-22 under 8th King complete world government (because the full “world peace and security” statement MUST be after BTG is deposed as the war monger system it is).

But it is “DURING a” “freedom from care” (Dan8:25) the worst part of the tribulation is under world government during the world peace build-up during a parallel of global recovery as world government seizes 100% global weapons military system control.

During the “tribulation of those days” opening phase coming up the “front” of the real war is the nation-state governmental systems to collapse into world government recovery as per Rev13:3. (Dan11:42-43)

That is to say they will not fight a “two front” war on this system, they will not depose BTG entirely in this phase, but after they will, and I mean the Daniel 11:40 real war wherein KN globalism “new world order” is deposing the KS nationalism based governmental systems of the “old world order”.

SECONDLY, they need religions as cheerleaders for the world war orchestration, they need religious aid for world war so they will keep the big Christendom and Israel decoys for motivation, recruiting, propaganda, justifiers and FALSE PROPHECY application which is very very important to sell world government as if “God’s World Government” and “World Government is Zion everyone all hail it!”

They need BTG to help sell world government.

They can first destroy Islam because they will be taking the Middle East 100% and Islam deposed will aid world government “peace” positivity while making the “Christian Crusade” and Israel” DECOYS look very very real for the final prophecy deception, in spite of the “waters” diminishing around BTG. Then they apply false prophecy to the “Israel Victory” and Islam deposition and nukings, etc. They need BTG to promote that final false prophecy to help sell world government to their flocks.

Then when the “harlot” is riding a COMPLETELY FULL AND WHOLE “Scarlet Wildbeast” WORLD GOVERNMENT they can depose Christendom and all BTG AFTER it is all done in its final function of selling world government first.


In this way the 500 trillion dollar valued hard wealth system of the harlot will have been protected for the world war, and they can then tap that treasure trove 100% transferred to world government authority to aid the global recovery because they will sell world government by great hope and Isa41:1 recovery, not endless misery but the end of the “tribulation of those days” to help sell that hope. (Rev17:8-13; Rev13:3)

They can also use that wealth to help fund the GT final phase, the “four winds” phase of the “great tribulation” paralell with that world peace phase for the controlled depopulation destructions of Dan8:25 “>>DURING<< a freedom from care” which is DURING that period of great global hope for the elements they will be keeping and protecting (Rev11:7-10) for use in the thinning of the global herd, which is the most dangerous period of the whole prophecy for the average man and Christian.

THAT is why that is when Christ arrives to “cut short” that GT (Matt24:21-22), because he also must arrive into the four winds (Matt24:31) to preserve any life, it will be that dead-serious because that system can fall into Satan’s Ezekiel 38:7 total allowed control.

As per Matthew 24:29-31 Christ DOES NOT “cut short” the “tribulation of those days”; as stated he arrives AFTER it has resolved on its own into world government. This is very important to understand so the “tribulation of those days” coming up as peak Matthew 24:6 and Luke 21:9 is NOT perceived as “the end” because it is NOT the end yet as per also 2Thess2:1-2 as well as Matt24:6.

In the meantime they need they harlot and they need to use everything they can in her final fucntion all the way into world government. After she is fully done with her wildbeast “riding” sales work, religions will be destroyed as a judgment of Rev18:8 God, by use of 8th King and its “ten horn” global system under world government.


[QUOTE who=”Newtonian”]<quoted text>

You have the wrong definition of archangel.

Arche means first and or foremost.

Angel means messenger.

Therefor archangel means chief messenger = logos/Word which means chief spokesman.

Both are defined as the chief one conveying God’s message/word to all.

Bottom line – Michael the archangel is Jesus the Word.[/QUOTE]

FYI, for the eons BEFORE there was any other angels arch is the root of archiac it means firstly ANCIENT.

Michael is the Anceient Angel even to the angels he was around aeons longer than they. By the time Jehovah made the angels through Michael he was as close to Jehovah in power as needed to bear and raise other angels, so he was way out there.

By the time Heb1 became reality of Immortal “indestructible life” of Michael’s superior position promotion he is basically [[[[nearly]]] Almighty God, no he is not Almighty Jehovah of cousre but he is even closer than he was as the Ancient Angel.

When the seven seals were opened to the Lamb, his mind was expanded to near Almighty proportions and the granting of “life within himself”, hence “the lamb” symbol’s importance there, was given to Christ in full form in 1914, or there abouts at Kingdom of God coronation incept which had to slightly precede the earthly events of 1914.

There is one more cycle of astounding global events similar to 1914 coming up, and the final warning phase it shall provide based on the first warning phase, and that Mighty God is SHOWING UP right into the global skies of planet Earth, and he will get as close to people’s faces as their reflection in the mirror, so BE READY to see him!


It is all about the return of the 33 CE TRUE King of God’s choosing! And this time he ain’t leaving FOREVER!

So the warning coming must be commensurate with the magnitude of who’s arrival it is proclaiming as also Messianic King of kings, and that God Almighty is coming too. (Rev1:7)

Jehovah’s witnesses at this stage of devolved development are no longer a good enough warning. They need Daniel 8:13-14 upon them. They need Revelation 8:3-8 purifying fire thrown into their world. We need to cleaned up and accept the disciplines of Zech3:1-5 and its Zech3:6-9 final warning commission of Rev10:5-11 parallel as Zech 4:6-9 is the parallel of the Rev11:1-7 Messianic Kingdom Temple completion announcement.

JWs are far from finished. They will be recovered from the Dan8:13 trampling of the JWorg coming up. (Hos1:4-7; Isa31:8-9; Isa37-38)


[QUOTE who=”Newtonian”]<quoted text>

I see we agree on something!

That is the point Patty was making as well.

Actually Newtonian we agree on 99% of EVERYTHING. All JWs need is to UPDATE the prophecy past 1990 with that 3rd UN event which is of course also foretold and is a prophecy the GB is concealing as per Dan8:12.

It is not even that we disagree at all, it is that JWs have an out of date commentary from 1945-1969 now. JWs are 99% truth, the GB is when and where the errors started to form as per 2Thess2:11-12.

Now when JWs need to explain the JW org judgment coming as Daniel 8:13-14, they will not have a GB to help them, and even if the GB was there they have sinned against God and are disapproved for final updates, and third, they woudn’t be able to do it anyways they are all about their own positions and are from KN Dan11:32a anyways.

I do not disagree with anything JWs teach except Daniel 8 and 11 known errors, and of course the post 1976 lawless GB Pharisee-like over-organized busy body policies which God will purge by first from this ministry over the GB’s dead body.

When you actually SEE these events, you will know everything else the prophecy states is updated truth sure to then come upon JWs with the responsibility of making the final global announcement of Rev10:11.

This is not an overnight development, btw. But, the current GB and JW nest of sins is not going away and that not easily, so you have time to catch on with the rest of the intended target JWs, and their eventual final global audience.

It is so the final warning becomes signalled with astounding events in the temple first, and that it is TOTALLY believable due to the EXACT Daniel 8:13-14 forecast now all over the world since 2012 via the Web.

When that comes true, so will the rest of it in final; steps to world government to trigger the Christ arrival in a parousia again, but one that manifests into the full manifestation once BTG goes down udner world government allowing the “we have world peace” “and security” final mantra of compete 8th King world government.

JWs will need this complete full exact update, because the place has fallen 30 years behind, that is why God has made sure this update will have preceded the forecatsed events by around 10 years by the time this begins to erupt on the JW org as Daniel 8:13-14.

JWs are going to NEED this update and they are going to NEED to apply it and teach it PRONTO! (Rev10:5-11) JWs have become complacent and sin-laden. (Rev10:5-11) The GB promoted 1-2-3-TheEnd is NOT going to manifest (2Thess2:1-2), it is a deception to Pied Piper JWs into capture bunkers, hence Matthew24:15.


[QUOTE who=”DocBob”]I haven’t been around here a while and thought I’d drop in to pose a question that I’ve been wondering about for a while.

For many years, Jehovah’s Witnesses were taught the the ‘faithful and discreet slave’ of Matthew 24:45 was those of the 144,000 who were still on earth. Then a couple years ago, the governing body declared that they alone were the “faithful and discreet slave” and because they were not part of the “feeding work”, the others of the ‘anointed’ were not included as part of the ‘faithful and discreet slave.’

This raises the question – What happened to the rest of the anointed? I see there are two possibilites from a JW standpoint:

1. The other ‘anointed’ never were part of the ‘slave’ and the declaration by the governing body was a clarification.

2. The other ‘anointed’ were part of the ‘slave’, Jehovah changed his mind and the other ‘anointed’ were demoted.

Each of those possibilities raises numerous other questions, but I’ll leave those for later. While I do read the Watchtowers, I may have missed if they addressed this question.

So which is it? 1 or 2? Or are there other possibilities. And how would you support this from the Bible?[/QUOTE]

The Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses is a 1944-1976 development in JW ministerial evolution.

That is the first “lifting themselves over everyone” problem. (2Thess2:1-4) Everythign else will be to add to the confusion. Thus, disregard them, and stick to the Bible and logic.

The truth is ONLY GOD AND CHRIST can determined who is faithful and who is evil. The point is the “faithful slave” must be determined by God and that by a marked judgment known by all.

Thus, nothing has changed. (3. Anointed approved by a judgment are the “faithful slave” “class” their audience of co-believers in Christ updates are the responsibility overall of the mission to come from that judgment, in this case 1914-1919), but there is a final one as Daniel 8:13-14 coming up on JWs.

A temple judgment determines final mission or next mission candidates of the “faithful slave” principle.

Now the “evil slave” can make that claim too, and they must, and that is what the “we are FDS” “globally lifted up” GB fulfills and why everything they say since after Fred Franz died CANNOT be trusted and now just creates confusion and Daniel 11:32a stumbling source.

The GB is our final “man of lawlessness” signal. Now comes the GB purging judgment of Zech3:1-5, Dan8:13-14, Rev8:1-8 and Mal3:1-5 as 1Pet4:17 that has to use the JW organization downfall as the global epicentric marker of the judgment for the prophecy unfolding for the Daniel 8:14 3.19 year minimum affirmation timing.

The GB has to be removed and then fully exposed as to what they are in the overall prophecy. It is as part of the final warning forming, and it uses fully timed and affirmed temple events to add credibility to the rest of the prophecy that BUT BEGINS with the temple judgment, that also becomes explained as the thing matures.

JWs have gathered much global attention due to GB lawlessness. Now even more attention will come with the JW org “trampling” of Daniel 8:13-14, and that will lead to great global attention on the proper location for the final warning which repeats and emerges from all this as Rev10:5-11, Rev11:1-7.

It just BEGINS, not ends, with JW org judgment.


[QUOTE who=”DocBob”]<quoted text>

See my post #15 for some commentary. I guess the main question is, about how much do they have to be wronging how outrageous do their claims need to be before the rank and file will stop feeding on their so-called spiritual food and let God’s word and the Holy Spirit guide them?[/QUOTE]

That was good logic for the extended post on the bleach of the GB wordsmithing. They are “lifting themselves over literally EVERYONE”.

But as you say in principle we can also ask here, just how high must the GB MOL lift themselves over everyone to “sit down in the Temple of the God” (not “Christendom”), until JWs can “SEE” them for who they are?

Well, the JW org has to come down first, before JWs will be able to “SEE” a thing. This is all the gearing up for Daniel 8:13-14, but very conveniently the GB has already implicated themselves when the re-wordsmithed Daniel 8:13-14 in 1999 in the Daniel Prophecy book update, and before that wehn Fred Franz gave the prophecy his best, but even admitted doubtful, shot.

The Governing Body Experiment—1944 to Present

1944: The Governing Body Wrong Condition of Daniel 8:14

But JWs will be unable to accept and “SEE” any of that until the GB is gone for good. The GB Experiment is a FAIL. It will have catastrophic consequences on the JW org, very soon. In fact as per WT 7/15/15 and Wt 11/15/13 it is so soon they even have an exit strategy set up in those key JW-org-attack articles ALREADY in place to 2Thess2:1-2 stupefy JWs into non-resistance for the downing of the JW org globally.

It is what we call a “self-fulfilling prophecy” because it is from the real King North globalist world government system intel infiltration sector which the GB also covers for as Daniel 11:30b-32a as marked by UN 1990 Dan11:31b UN NGO wildbeast partners post unique Cold War (Dan11:29) marker.

Thus, the worst enemy, is already Dan11:41 (Dan11:31a) INSIDE the JW “house”, leading the place as Matthew24:15 command of Christ to flee this thing is also ignored and covered up as per Daniel 8:12b. JWs are the “army” “gradually given over” to “small horn” Anglo system use in Daniel 8:12.

Thus this JW org anomaly is also the final signal apostasy prophecy in action with the UN NGO required “disgusting thing” affiliated marker of 1991 period.


[QUOTE who=”wow”]<quoted text>

You do sound like this “jake999” poster.


No I don’t. Jake claims to be Christ to pull your leg for some interaction. We have nothing in common in what we say about prophecy. Get real.

Try a new angle. I can’t be discredited as far as Daniel 8:13-14 to start Revelation 8-11 final cycle fulfillment as Rev8.

Now Jake and I speak with confidence, there is a similarity there. BUT you gotta know Jake KNOWS he aint Christ, he is yanking your chain on purpose.

I KNOW this prophecy had to come out 7 years, at least, BEFORE the JW org downfall so it will have gotten all over planet Earth by the time JW org goes down to begin Dan8:13-14.

That way “leaked” info will:

1. Be available to trampled JWs about as fast as possible from someone;

2. It will have a fully confident forecast that will relate from 2012, things JWs will have lived for the last 3.19 years of their experiences (at that time, future) at least after 2016 as far as we can tell.

This confidence and guaranteed events of Dan8:13 to “trample” JW org is so JWs CAN KNOW [the rest of this forecast] IS ALSO sure to unfold as well, and that will take from then (3.19 years into JW org downfall phase) another 10 years, about another 15 years from today.

W got until 2034, that is the max-out window of certainty as far as Christ arrival guidelines from the Bible.

This has to come out for the message it leads to, the final warning and open salvation message of Rev14:6-8, THAT is why it is known well beforehand. No one will ever know me or my name, because it needs no more human distraction than it already has from the GB clown car of modern apostate fat-headed antics.

When you see JW org go down on CNN soon, you will also recheck this forecast.

The Final Phase – Final Prophetic Cycle Periods and Sovereign Meanings

It is really very simple and seven trumpet gauged to Christ arrival

1. Apostasy to temple judgment

2. Temple judgment to purification recovery

3 Recovery to final warning to world governments

4. World government triggers Christ arrival.

Very very simple.



[QUOTE who=”rsss1″]<quoted text>
I did that when I was a witness and grateful for that…..witness have there skeletons also big time…….father son,holy spirt are called God many times…Jesus being a man the Jesus accused him of blasphemy making himself God……..Jesus was silent and didn’t correct or condemn them for this accusation….his father even called him God…..was the father m9staken?jesus receiving prayer,creating,forgiving of sins, ect…….Jesus has all authority in heaven and earth….obviously Michael lacked authority is why he didn’t rail against the devil,,,,,Jesus did……….only GOD FORGIES…past history deterrmines future results…….
Look at all the flip flops all the false prophesies..>…>……….

1. Christendom’s apostasy and UN alliances are prophecy and led to a judgment proclamation to be meted out later when under world government.

Repeat as necessary.

2. Today’s JWs are also an apostasy of specific prophecy (Dan8:11-13; Dan11:30b-35) and in principle apostasy prophecy (Zech3:1-5; 2Thess2:1-4) and they too have a UN NGO UN connection. (Dan11:31b)

And that also leads to a judgment but it WILL BE meted out on the JW org well before world government very soon in JW org global dissolution and the cancellation of the JW ministry at global scale from GB’s own mouth. (As the final world war begins Rev13:3)

That is to be sold to JWs as “the end”. But it will just be the end of the WTBTS based final apostasy. The world keeps on going more YEARS en route to World Government.

In this way, JWs will aid their final false prophecy based discrediting of the original 1914 sovereign warning of God’s Kingdom issued well before arrival. JWs will for a time, be an “its the end of the world” final failed joke.

But, it will also get attention to the JW smoldering epicenter of these coming Daniel 8:13 events to honor the Dan8:14 timing minimum 3.19 years of global desolation on the JW org.

That way when the final warning “second witnessing” emerges, it will have plenty of global attention.

Already, it is all prophecy fulfilling the start of the final cycle to world government which when complete triggers Christ arrival, the point of the final warning to come from the JW org downfall of Daniel 8:13, parallel Rev8.


[QUOTE who=”rsss1″]<quoted text>
You said in a previous post only Jehovah witnesses have a chance…..does that not make you judge


I never said that because that is not the truth of Revelation 14:6-7 and Romans 2. I may have said Jehovah’s witnesses will be recovered and will be the ones first to fully understand what Daniel 8:13-14 means. (But it will not end with them, it goes global from there)

No boast, but the forecast I speak of in final cycle prophecy of Revelation where everything in prophecy converges in a countdown of seven trumpets and plagues is the largest open salvation in the world. Because the final warning is to offer the largest open salvation call in history. (Matt22:1-14)

The JW needle’s eye of salvation to close off the Kingdom to others will soon become a thing of the flaming JW org past along with the GB carcass. God is NOT going to take JW org shenanigans, they are to be the first sign.

JWs are complacent and often rude, and I have no partiality for them, they are just central to the final warning and as such are typical men which are what God has been using since the apostles, your average losers, who have faith in Christ the Winner.

That is why ANYONE can be saved come Revelation 14:6-8 time, they just can’t have the 666 world government allegiance or acceptance mark.

But I do point out how and when JWs went apostate by GB lead. And that it will draw the temple judgment on them first as 1Pet4:17 and Dan8:13-14, Zech3:1-5, Mal3:1-5, Rev8:1-8.

It STARTS the final cycle, it is NOT “the end” JWs will be claiming as the JW org is going down hard.

[QUOTE who=”NorthPeace”]<quoted text>
It’s the contradiction that’s apparent.

We see they are selling halls where the membership is low and making up to 4 congs share 1 hall. Now you are right that it is more cost effective than expecting a handful of congregants to maintain and support a building

But in the same breath they are saying they’re using the money from selling halls to build new ones.
Why do they need new ones when they can’t fill the ones they already have???



Because the real JW numbers are in the low 6 million, the Bethel numbers of greater growth are rigged and JWs have been in -1% to -3% growth decline for a number of years in reality well absorbed in the complex global KH ecology.

Now they can liquidate down to the real numbers and pull out a 15 billion dollar score prior to the org raid coming up soon as Dan8:13-14. They are just peaking what has been a constant skim.

Those investigations will break after the pedophile legal tenderizations are complete, and those rackets/laundering prosecutions and other nationalism based techniques for the world war is how they will raid the JW org far quicker top down, than pedophile prosecutions which are bottom up and slow to unfold.

It means JW org is ripe and ready for judgment based on actual lawless conduct which has virtually destroyed the JW ministry and its credibility. Now they will just put it out of ist misery.


[QUOTE who=”GreatSouthbay4040″]<quoted text> You make mention of Brother Franz often. Did you have the privelege of meeting him?

You do know the scripture that mentions not admiring personalities within the congregstion for our own sake, correct?


Fred is one of the Immortals (Rev8:13 “eagle” symbol are anointed in immortal form) and he is NOW finishing his own work under Christ and so is Russell and Rutherford. I never met him but I respect his work and I know why they back-stabbed him in 1976 and why they killed him in 1992.

He died on the Saturnalia as Russell died on Halloween, ear-marks of Satanic ritual sacrifice. Of course, Fred can kick Satans’ sorry weak coward ax now, so he can’t keep any sacrifice anyways and is on the way down.

I do not idolize Fred, he just harmonized the whole thing to peak with Revelation in 1969, which was reworded a little for the 1989 Grand Climax book. They now rob his files regularly such as Know Jehovah and Isaiah I and II are from the Fred files. (The GB can’t prophesy themselves out of a wet paper sack, they are FAKE and agents of the real KN as per Dan11:32a)

Because God used Fred we have the “first witness” first Revelation cycle accurate understanding, so we can understand the final cycle EXACTLY the same, but updated for modern application to world government as Revelation REPEATS as the final ccyle starts sson.

Daniel 8:11-14,23-25 and 11:27-45 are accidental errors because Fred tried to interpret things that had not yet fulfilled. Daniel 12 is good, it is Rev11:2-3; Rev12:6, Rev13:5-7; Dan7:25 parallel.

ONLY Daniel 8 and 11 will get updates when God let’s Fred destroy the GB to their viper faces for The Destroyer Christ Temple Cleanser. (Dan8:13-14 midpoint pivot event) They get fair warning, this is to be plopped on their desk.

JWs will be cleansed and recovered to explain the second and final Revelation cycle, the seven trumpets are the parallel seven plague final cycle gauge to world government that triggers Christ arrival, all JWs will eventually carry this same message.

But I make no secret not for my sake but his that Fred Franz was the main final summarizer of the whole sovereign framework, but Russell put in the basics and important 1914 info, and Rutherford was actually the most important of them all because he routed out the takeover attempts in 1917 and 1918 with God’s help. And he MADE SURE 1919 UN 1, League of Nations prophecy was connected to 1945 UN 2 United Nations prophecy.

(Knorr was an org God driven genius, not a prophecy guy. (Ray Franz would have been next in line, so they axed him in 1981 for the 1992 total blackout coup in Fred assassinated))

That UN1-2 was broken in 1990 UN 3, it is UN1-2-3-4 in prophecy when completed in comign world government. THAT is why they killed Fred, he could have lived to be 110 and said all this YEARS ago. It all works together, Christ blows everyone away to keep it all in perspective.

HE is the main focus as coming Messianic King of kings which has yet to complete too, and has yet to arrive for full power universal takeover success. THAT is the proclamation of the second Revelation cycle coming up. First cycle is God’s Kingdom and Christ coronation proclamation, 1914-1918, 1260 days. Next cycle is Messianic Kingdom proclamation and earthly visible coronation of Christ as Rev19:11-21 as King of kings in their Ps110:2 world government face, also 1260days, future. 2520 days “seven times” total in the end. TWO witnessings, TWO “witnesses”.

The GB is covering all this up (Dan8:12b), had Fred lived he would have explained all this in 3 months after 1990 3rd UN marker. BUT the apostasy is part of the prophecy (Dan11:30-35; dan8:11-12), so God let them shut his mouth, now with Christ he shall shut theirs, pay back time on the GB.

The GB is the enemy “in the temple”; (2Thess2:1-4) Their days are numbered; (Dan8:13-14; Isa66:6)


Yes the climax is up ahead. The GB 70s stunt was the death knell for the JW ministry, it went into downward spiral the moment the 18 headed beast GB became the required gatekeeper to get on knees to. The head count changes, but it is all distraction away from God and Christ. And it was the furthest reaching ministry as far as taking it forward into UN times of globalism basis of world government making the final forecast actually a no brainer: Complete world government, trigger Christ. Very evry simple.

And THAT SIMPLICITY is why JWs are clueless as to world government completion REQUIREMENT of prophecy. They are clueless because the GB are from the KN World Government camp as per Dan11:32a.

Now, the only light JWs can provide is from the fire of the JW org decimation for many many sins.

That “flash of light” means Rev8:2-8 is activated, it is the temple judgment parallel and the 3.19 peak years of Dan8:13 “evening” darkness in desoaltion “trampling” will become notably lit up by the global JW org conflagration.

Thus, NO ONE dupes God, even as a criminal bonfire of catastrophe JWs will still provide enough impetus, “light”, and focus to aid the “second witness” final warnign salvo into the side of the wildbeast system. EVEN as JWs crash in divine disapproval the requirement to know WHY this happened to the degree it will be, very very serious, will help spark up more talk in the right direction so that when the real Daniel 8:13-14 explanation is tossed in like a grenade from God due to its Rev8-11 connection and world government trigger of Christ implications, a new fire will eb set ablaze now right under that nasty wildbeast who is not going to like the that kind of talk.

But that will take years, because the Eze37 trashed JWs carcasses have to get up and disclose the fact this is all true, the thing that gives this the most credibility is when JWs HAVE TO CONFESS AND APOLOGIZE to the world about the crime fest and its GB condemned source.

JWs will not make it if they try to refuse, NO WAY is God letting this JW sin fest simply skate on by without a full disclosure and apology or JWs can pack for hell, no joke. But, many JWs will repent and that disclosure is the ominous feature that final warning will be kicked off with an affirmable judgment, a world government cover up and UN NGO alliance too boot, and a final open salvation and anointing call, and it cannot be limited like ti used to be to some “Club JW”, the warning will spill over into anyone willing to also herald the real warning that world government complete will trigger Christ arrival when they say “World peace” which must be AFTER the BTG removal.

There is NO REASON to get worn out now, because this is a jam packed minimum decade to see all that craziness through, and that kind of craziness is also going to shock some people Hag2:7 awake to also realize things are getting serious and world government is no joke.

We are far from done, but it is the last stretch and it ain’t a hundred years, it is as long as it takes them to run a world war sword stroke, heal it (rev13:1), and then complete it all into world government and wrap up a few things they must do ONLY under world government COMPLETE: 1. depose the final two witnesses warning, 2. and depose BTG and 3. utter the world peace of 1Thess5:1-3.

Then hold on to your hat!

It has become a no-brainer now, SIMPLE; so simple that God can also save more brainless people too! LOL


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But BJD ,,,it says the WRATH of GOD remains on one , who doesn’t exercise faith in Jesus

It doesn’t say the wrath will come says the wrath of God is still on them

They are being destroyed before your very eyes

People have sicknesses , diseases , are suffering are dying all around us , on a daily basis , because Satan destroys the flesh

That is why someone who sinned unrepentant in first century , were given over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh …because that is what he does

” the thief comes to steal destroy and kill ‘

Jesus come to break up the works of the Devil ….that is our good news ….he has dealt with sin and death .

Jehovah and Jesus do their own work in the Temple , for scripture tells us , those of us who believe Gods word , that it goes to work in us , because we people are his temple …

In the mean time we are to grow in the knowledge of not only Jehovah , but in Jesus who has given us work to do

Preach the gospel , heal the sick , raise the dead , expel demons …

as Jesus says ‘ he has come to break up the works of the Devil …and we are to be clean vessels that he works in .[/QUOTE]

Well I can’t disagree with that. BUT I can push for it to COMPLETE to the immortal form anointed are “pressing forward and seizing” that REALITY that ONLY Satan and sin can try to break the grip of. Obviously you want to maintain your grip and you want to be as positive as possible and constantly focused on Christ’s truths to do so. So of course I cannot have anything to say against that. Well done, but others have different targets and other portions of the SAME CHRIST MISSION overall for this final period. It is not a surprise when Christ comes except for the most resistant idiots by that time. It will be WARNED OF in directly EXPLICIT detail of global developmenst to BECOME VISIBLE in the prophecy they fulfill including:

1. Tribulation of those days phase

2. EXPLICIT wealth pawning of the nation-state GLOBALLY APPLIED; (Dan11:32-43)

3. World war sword stroke to healing; (Rev13:3; Rev17:8-13)

4. World government and the destruction of BTG global religion.

Now that ain’t much, but those are going to be HUGE developments 100s of times more impacting THAN ANYTHING WE HAVE GONE THROUGH thus far in our lives because they are ALL global in effect.

It is NO SPECULATION Little Lamb, ALL THAT occurs BEFORE Christ arrives as INDICATIONS TO ALL GLOBALLY this is no joke and they can avail themselves to GET READY for the inevitable with confidence they can ACCEPT the open salvation offer of Rev14:6-8 IF THEY WANT TO. The global nations will be ROCKED so the final “desirable things” “come in”. The events and the order I described are solidly provable and easy to see in prophecy, it is what it is. (Rev1:1)

I think we need to RESPECT the fact Jehovah’s work in anointed and Christians is beyond human understanding and we have various ways we work. And that we are entering a FINAL period of time when prophecy is going to get very very readable for even the average person and that with some people SEEING IS BELIEVING they will need more than just “good news”, they have become jaded and damaged beyond the words of true Christianity because they view Christians as a bunch of hypocrites; and they have good reason, just look what JWs devolved into: REPROACHES ON GOD.

I cannot take away from your mission. I perceive my own, in reality God will make them WORK TOGETHER as Paul stated the “body” is functional with a purpose of God.

Which is why God can use even the “I came to bring division” hideous things Christians have been up to just like Israel before them as they blow the trump of salvation like a loveless clashing cymbal of those only using it to prey on others and feel justified in doing so, which is 90% of what Christianity has been put to use for by Satan. Christ KNEW he would allow divisions and controversy to aid breaking up Satan’s work in the Christian body, and that he can use the shame of these things to break some people to repentance, not all, but some. Overall he breaks up Satan’s purpose of a unified church under his control as its “Christ” and its “God” in one

To think Christendom’s vain words will spare the institute is a delusion, INDIVIDUALS are judged by God not me, not others and not even themselves for God sees what is.


So we have to see each one has his gift one in this way one in that way all we need to want to do is use that gift in an approved manner which reflects the spirit of Christ whose main mission is salvation and changing the form of EVERY LIVING THING into purified actual PERFECTION as God purposed “from the beginning”.

And I mean even the physical things now tainted by atomic and ionic pollutions from Satan which by also sin open the door to “oppression from the Devil” in the form of disease and suffering which the ENTIRE creation as per Romans 8:18-22 is to be SET FREE from. BUT the REALITY of that liberation is when Satan is abyssed and Christ’s power imbibes the entirety of this universe and Earth.

When Christ completes his work there will not be one single atom or molecule out of its place as much pollution is molecular and it is a basis for Satanic attack at cellular level. Under Christ that is all gone, and the “corruption” of Romans 8:18-22 decay of death imbibed into everything is lifted to Ezekiel 47:9 Rev22:3-4 proportions of COMPLETELY removed, Rev22:3 “there will be no more curse”, which is that wrath of God you speak of which can only be truly lifted when this is complete to absolute SINLESSNESS where the intelligent creation does things the way God wills, no variation for as we see there is no other way.

I agree with you you are correct but it all has to go even further into perfection and the attainment of the form of being which NEVER will be compromised again for it is the goal of attaining the likeness in every detail of Christ who cannot be compromised.

Once that is attained first by the spirit beings in Christ the rest of the creation will also be restored because God did not create animals to become human trash and he cares for them way way way beyond even the most caring human BECAUSE HE MADE THEM! He is not just experiencing them as God’s CREATION, he BORE them through AND FOR his Only-Begotten Son. They are CHRIST’S Personal GIFTS from God HIMSELF! They belong to God first, he GAVE THEM to his Son. They are “good”, not frivolous things to God but divine perfection just being abused by Satan temporarily as empowered by human sinners.

The SON loves them too and they did not create ANYTHING to be miserable and end in death (Ps133), it is all a Satanic post Edenic LIE and global ILLUSION (Heb2:14), and they will NOT be left out of the Life of Christ’s regeneration work of Matthew 19:28 and Romans 8:18-22. God does nothing half vast, he does it to ABSOLUTE ENTIRETY AND COMPLETION. (Rev10:5-11)

In the meantime, it has to be made Revelation 1:1 as clear as a bell in the “events which must take place”, it gets very explicit as to the Christ arrival indicators in that Revelation for a reason.

(Revelation 1:1) . . .A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. . . .

NO WAY DID GOD STATE THAT, for anointed Christians to be sitting around guessing all the time. NO WAY! It is going to get clear as a bell and JW org desolation judgment downfall will be chapter one of the coming clear as a bell picture it helps paint. (Dan8:13-14)

The final warning will be very very simple and clear as complete as it is. One known simple point is:

World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and “world peace” stated (1Thess5:1-3; Dan12:11), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.


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If you want to go down that road…..the Wtbts hid child molestation…….can we catagory all witnesses as supporting that……that is total stupidity…

Yes it would be, but being associated with BTG, Christendom and JW org is how those sins are broadcast to all just as they did on Jerusalem when the sins of the Pharisees ended up affecting everyone stuck in that city at the Roman siege.

Hence Matthew 24:15 and this warning to JWs to egt out of the JW org because it has gotten back into BTG by way of the UN System UN Secretariat of which is the “Department of Public Propaganda” of the United Nations Non-governmental Organizations which are grassroots level organizational 666 penetration into global society as JWs now have joined into the UN “public information” propaganda expansion.

That is the Daniel 8:13 “transgression causing desolation” to the JW org soon as per the full ramifications of JWs covering up the 3rd UN prophecy of 1990 and Daniel 11:31.

JW org will now be dissolved and you can watch it all on CNN soon, it will be Daniel 8:13-14. Christendom is just as bad, but they are too big and useful to sell 666 world government so they go down under world government complete.

JW org goign down is their warning of what is to come for them. But God may emerge the final warning in the JW org after desolation; apparently according to Dan8:14 and Nahum 2, the JW ministry is to be recovered from the fire. (Zech3:2)

Thus arguing about trinity and religious packaging is just a diversion at this point, other things of greater import are set to blow soon, and on the JW org so you know when it hits this is no joke and we are at the final 15 years of this system which goes to world government which Christ arrives upon to destroy it.

JWs going down in judgment for a time, is to be a big wake up signal to all people. (Isa28)

(Isaiah 28:18-19) And your covenant with Death will certainly be dissolved, and that vision of yours with Sheol will not stand. The overflowing flash flood, when it passes through—you must also become for it a trampling place. 19 As often as it passes through, it will take you men away, because morning by morning it will pass through, during the day and during the night; and it must become nothing but a reason for quaking TO MAKE OTHERS UNDERSTAND what has been heard.” (Dan11:41; Dan8:13-14)

World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3; Dan12:11), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

THAT is the simple main point.

After JWorg desolation it is time for the final 1260 days warning at some point prior to world government.

You’ll probably see all this as long as you survive the world war. (Rev13:3)

The trinity is not in the coming message it was tossed by God in 1919 and after in prophecy marked official form with Christendom. They are done, just a matter of time as you can witness on the JW org downfall coming up with the world war.


[QUOTE who=”rsss1″]nd …..if he is first in a persons life nothing else matters….as Solomon said all is vanity

I’m not disagreeing Christ is available to all, and you, and so on, and that he is to be the constant focus. Very true. In generic form I do not desire you to be destroyed. That is the truth.

Because there is soemthing the church leaders will start selling that can blot out Christ attonemnt, and it is the 666 mark of allegiance and acceptance of human world government because they will sell it as “God’s world government” as they take their own mark of the beast 666.


You shall see that come true.

See, IF IF IF you REJECT human world government and REJECT its 666 of accepting it and servign it, then you can be saved. Even with your Trinity error, you can have that removed under the 1000 year reign and admit you just may be wrong, it can be covered by the blood of Christ until purged.


The 666 CANNOT be excused.

Thus YOU BETTER reject the 666 World Government and CHOSE the King and Kingdom of Christ as your ruling power. I think you are more interested in avoiding a bath in eternal fire than me not wanting for you to be destroyed.

Choose Christ and hsi Kingdom.

DO NOT Choose “Christ and his World Government” in the manner the churches will soon start to sell it after the world war as real world government from Satan as Scarlet Wildbeast goes global for its “one hour” of Rev17:12.

JOT IT DOWN. Those words are here to stay. It is a POLITE REMINDER for you to take your own salvation more seriously than you are at present. And to understand human world government allegiance is the 666 mark.

Don’t waffle on it like the churches WILL DO.

[QUOTE who=”jwtotruth”]it seems to me that Bethel is one of those lone wolf “Biblical” theorists. perhaps its just a phase for him.

but dont get me wrong I do agree with some of that type of theology but not exactly as hes postulating.

hey, he has every right. my only advice is for him to consider that his zeaulos uber conspirotorial postulations come off a bit heavy[/QUOTE]


THAT is all you need to know, and in the long run that is the gist of what you NEED to tell others, this message heads all the way into the actual blazing but beneficial light of the Christ arrival triggered by COMPLETE AND WORLD PEACE STATED World Government.

World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and “world peace” stated (1Thess5:1-3; Dan12:11), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

VERY SIMPLE and very easy to see global-marker of about the last global-event to precede Christ arrival. There is the BTG destruction after that, but world government is the final big signal.


Because it is going to become 1000 times crazier than I can relate even if I tried and you and I and all need faith in God to make it, so strengthen your faith in God and Christ ALONE; PERIOD, they are the only ones who can save you.

Because of the GB JWs have no idea World Government is King North and it is the 8th King that MUST complete before Christ arrival, and that will be very handy signal event for those to inherit salvation.


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Does God really condone the Wtbts for all the false prophesis,flip flops and lies… think this is God led as the Wtbts…….if it was God led it would have the truth and not use the excuse of the light keeps getting brighter…..with all the mistakes only the Wtbts will be save……you have got to be kidding

Well he has no choice, all humans and religions devolve into this. But one of them as a faith is the chosen one in spite of its errors and destructions, Israel was quite similar. God’s chosen, but worse than the nations.

God has purposed to user losers to carry out his will to chagrin the Devil. Christ is the ONLY winner God has ever used because he only needs one.

Losers can be saved; all human lose their life in sin, so all humans are “losers”.

It is just the way it is, but JWs did Daniel 2 justice and went light years past Christendom in explaining modern prophecy up to 1945, then JWs went south too.

Christendom never has responded to anything but making more money, they are done for good; JWs can be recovered because they are only severed at 1945 level of prophecy awareness.

It will be easy to reconnect JWs to modern world government prophecy reality, easy but not pretty. (Dan8:13-14; Zech3:1-5)

It has to happen this way. JWs are the chosen vessel for the end. Just because they went bad means they get a heavy judgment, but so did Christ, but JWs deserve it, but from it we can learn our lesson.

The final warning will be crystal clear based on explaining the who, what, where, when and why of the JW apostasy and UN NGO.

As it is explained the truth comes out as the errors are exposed and eliminated amidst much JW org smoke and ashes.

The Daniel 8:13-14 signal it forms becomes undeniable by use of JW org downfall and their eventual confessions and disclosure to the fact of the temple judgment.

[QUOTE who=”roy”]
RFID Implants – Microchip Everything 2017 – Mark Of The Beast 666
you know what they mean look at itt tell me what you think.


It is just a chip, not much in itself. What can matter is the agreements of allegiance attached with the chip. I can only guess, I think they will use a martial law condition when they really go into the tracking mode requiring chips if they go that route.

Chips can do all kinds of things. It is not necessarily bad, they have other ways of adding tracking nano-devices right from a McDonald’s bun if need be. The chip in itself means nothing, what it may be attached with can be different and more serious, it can have a pact agreement to sign.

The chip itself can be anything, they could even have a small micro-nuke in there if they wanted, a speck of plutonium but they can have those in phones and appliances, I wouldn’t get paranoid plus they have bigger fish to fry in this cycle.

They will handle the street revolts and filtration with FEMA and the cops and move on up the filter chain from there. For example, if public funding collapses the cops join the crowds, then another layer of the martial system has to go out and get the cops and so on.

But at the top it is globalist funded by gold if need be, so the NATO level stuff will not go broke, it is the “last resort” for handling the public; and for other nations it is the default unit after their own military requires help or revolts.

But it will NOT be smooth, they get delayed at various junctures and one of them is angelic when God turns back the anti-JW op globally. God has given them WTBTS JWOrg (Isa36:10) BUT he has NOT given them all JWs globally. (Hos1:4-7; Isa31:8-9; Isa37-38; Zech3:2)

BUT they only learn how to back off in one manner: They taste a sample of some Destroyer stealth fire from them Zechariah 1 and Zechariah 6:1-8 angels of the temple judgment all over them trumpets and plagues.

They have to be forced to back off JWs 3.19 years into the Daniel 8:14 desolation. It is what Michael did when he wiped out the 185,000 Assyrians trying to extend the Israel judgment to also take Jerusalem. Mike wiped them out in one action. He will do the same to the anti-JW ops and the GB, etc, at the point in Daniel 8:13-14,26 when the “evening” 3.19 years truns to the “morning” 3.19 years of recovery.

The delay of 8th King development to world government is also so they CANNOT Dan7:25 “change times and seasons” as regards God’s prophecy timing of Dan8:14 to Rev11:3 to Dan12:11. Isaiah 38 means JWs will get 15 more years from the START of the anti-JW-org events. They meet God’s timeline, not their own.


The Rev9 Destroyer goes out to delay them and Isaiah 49 free a few JWs from global prisons to employ them in the final warning as a sign too.

(Isaiah 49:24-26) . . .Can those already taken be taken from a mighty man himself, or can the body of captives of the tyrant make their escape? 25 But this is what Jehovah has said: “Even the body of captives of the mighty man will be taken away, and those already taken by the tyrant himself will make their escape. And against anyone contending against you I myself shall contend, and your own sons I myself shall save. 26 And I will make those maltreating you eat their own flesh; and as with the sweet wine they will become drunk with their own blood. And all flesh will have to know that I, Jehovah, am your Savior and your Repurchaser, the Powerful One of Jacob.”

The DESTROYER’S purpose is to ensure the final warning 1260 days is properly deployed for the final warning and it has to use recovered JWs to carry it out. So, Destroyer will not exterminate the globalist and their intel, yet, he will only beat them down to get them off JWs for the recovery.

After that warning is complete, once they have complete world government, the Destroyer will take off the kid gloves and exterminate Global NATO and the ENTIRE World Government network at global scale, but he takes his Daniel 12:11 sweet time to hunt them down, because he is sweeping out sheep and surrenders because he will spare some from among the enemy if they respect he is the Christ authority.

If not, they will be terminated with world government. Destroyer Christ ALWAYS give full and present crystal clear fair warning and opportunity to avail the surrender offer of Rev14:6-8. Those who ignore that warning will 6th seal wish they were never born. (Rev6:12-17)

Destroyer don’t mess around, he is THE KING, all rivals will be terminated.


[QUOTE who=”PrufSammy”]<quoted text>
Whereas I agree with many of your concepts about the Bible, I think you are not looking at things properly regarding this, despite whatever association the WT may have with the U.N. It doesn’t bother me, in fact, I’m glad they do have an association. And the JW’s are the least of all “nations” to worry about in terms of violence, uprising, etc.
You learned all of your biblical viewpoints NOT from any other religion but Jehovah’s Witnesses. I wonder when R. Franz went overboard if he embraced the trinity and hellfire theories as well. Yet I find you on target about many things, only not your concept about the association with the U.N. People get married according to national rules, they belong to libraries, and other associations if beneficial. It’s not like celebrating Christmas, you know. It’s not even like worship.[/QUOTE]

Ray Franz was RAILROADED so that when they killed Fred Franz in 1992 NO ONE would explain UN 3.0 1990 prophecy!

Ray did NOT “go overboard” THERE IS a 20 year glitch in the 67 BCE Jerusalem destruction date that could have been FIXED in 1980, but they wanted to KEEP the glitch.

607 has to be a GENTILE time, it MUST be based on Babylon, 607 is the Kingship of Neb. 586 BCE to 516 BCE is the “seven times” as far as Jerusalem temple destroyed in 586 and rebuilt to complete in 516 BCE.

Thus 607 BCE is fine, it is just based on the 70 years until Babylon’s kings were destroyed as that first “seven times” in the Neb marked dynasty.

Appointed Times of the Nations Reconsidered, Again—Seven “Seven times” Applications; Initial, Offset and Extended to World Government and Christ Arrival

Click to access appointed_times_of_the_nations_reconsidered_againe28094seven_seven_times_applications1.pdf

Ray was on to all this, but the CIA in the GB opted to axe him, keep the glitch, and then make sure when they killed Fred Frnaz NO ONE was there to pick up the ball, the GB is ALL CIA now. (Dan11:32a) and MI6, etc. ALL OF THEM!!!

We have to KEEP UP with what is going on after Fred Franz died. This is going to get messier soon.

This will all come out after Destroyer exterminates the GB on CNN. It will mark the Daniel 8:13-14,26 MIDPOINT 3.19 years.


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I agree with this …the thing that interests me about Jesus , is he never built one building and neither did his Apostles ..

Jesus didn’t seem to be concerned about where he preached to people …like so called religious people tend to be

He did read in the synagogue as was his habit ..but he never built a synagogue …he preached from a boat , from on top of a mountain , at meals with people

There was no stopping Jesus , he was preaching when he was resting at a well to a woman who came there .

I believe we are to imitate Jesus , and just as he went about doing good , so we should go about doing good

He has told us what to do and when you think about it …its what people need .

They don’t need flash buildings , that don’t need carpet on floors and good micro phones

Because if all the gospel does it make them feel good for a couple of hours and then they go home and they are as sick as when they went , or they still have pain , or they are grieving the loss of a child …what was the sense of what they are learning ?

Jesus has come to break up the work of the Devil …and that is good work ..we are to be like him

Jesus said ‘ you will do the works I did , but even greater .’

He said ‘ preach the gospels . heal the sick , raise the dead and expel demons ‘

Well where do we start ?

Jesus got baptized in the Jordon river , did someone forget to tell him he had to go to an assembly and be officially baptized in a religion ?

John the Baptist wasn’t even a Christian .


Well Christians have to rely on the spirit for teaching and guidance. But as Christ showed and Paul and the apostles, there are new sheep who can use some hands on aid.

But the “Church” was the first idol, and I mean the buildign people consider “holy” when it si just mundane mud and nails, nothing special about it.

None of the apostles went to “church”, they met at house, wherever they wanted. And when they did “go to the temple” they well knew it was going to be razed to nothing a stone not left on a stone.

It was just a good place to get a hearing ear.

A Christian catching on to “spirituality” starts to see NO “THING” is an aid of worship, worship is by “spirit and truth” 24/7/365 no matter where you are. Nothing “material” is of any use to God, we have to tap his spirit which is the power and it cannot be plainly seen, but it is everywhere waiting to be tapped by faith.

But, there are tools that have been used such as the printing of Bibles, and places to meet, but it is just things, nothing special about any of it other than to print God’s word for others, he has used it, he does back the spread of the Bible, it is one thing with TRUTH in it.

So if someone misses “church” just grab your Bible it is far closer to God than a building, it is his actual Word. That is all a person needs and anyone can find one and start the process, that is why God put them everywhere.

The more one reads it the more they can transfer it into their heart and memory, and then they become part of God’s word. Reading it once, or a book once, is not enough, you can read Ephesians 100 times and keep gettign something new out of it. The Bible can be read 10,000 times and still have something new to say for the current point in the person’s life.

It is to be the central document of the coming new everything. It will remain forever and in time be perfectly in memory and heart and be totally provable as to how its prophecy became world history. Every single piece of every letter.

Eventuallty Christ will arrive, but in God’s exact timing and circumstances. Then everything literally changes, but a day at a time, but sheep are to eb healed immediately because there is things to do and cripples and all the human limitations have to be optimized right off the bat:

(Zechariah 12:8) . . .the one that is stumbling among them must become in that day like David. . .

He means David in his prime, but even more so because certain things have to be fixed fast the very second Christ arrives he heals the sheep; Heck roadkill will pop up quite alive for the dinner. No joke, Christ is BEAMING LIFE, EVERYTHING benefits by his direct presence when he comes in full power.

That LIFE POWER is what is plugged into Earth as Satan’s death cord is severed forever. (Heb2:14)

Nothing muddled about it, it’s the divine schedule designed by God in Revelation and as it steps into the future it is marked by a set of GLOBAL scale developments that BEGINS with the judgment of Jehovah’s witnesses as marked by the JW org downfall for very specific transgression in time related to:

1. The JW partnership as “public information” publicists for the United Nations “image of the wildbeast” as a condoning and endorsing UN NGO, UNrepentant, for the 1990 “New World Order” packaged 3rd United Nations event. (Dan11:29-35)

And that while:

2. Daniel 8:11-12 CONCEALING from JWs and their global audience the 1990 3rd UN event of Daniel 11:31b (Dan8:23) prophecy and world presentation which was a UN global event to end the Cold WW3 (Dan11:29). UN 3rd Step of 1990 is as foretold as was the 1919 League of Nations and the United Nations of 1945; UN1-2-3… and on to UN4 which is future world government, UN1-2-3-4.

All COVERED UP as per Daniel 8:12b by Jehovah’s witnesses of modern darkness.

So, since JWs will not address this, God will as Daniel 8:13-14, Mal3:1-5, Zech3:1-5, Rev8:1-8

Need I get any more specific for you cave hanging black bat?

Well I will later, you ain’t the only one here and because the JW judgment is in the JW org Daniel 8:13-14 timed temple judgment desolation “trampling” downfall and eventual recovery to disclose all this as JWs should be doing anyways since 1990.

But the GB of Daniel 11:32a (Dan8:12) is misleading JWs into a marked final signal apostasy against the holy covenant and the Kingdom of God and all its supreme Kings in God and Christ and what has formed of the Immortal Court of the 144000.

NOW JW org has to pay the price and it will be global in scope. When that starts to occur you can further deny it. But GLOBAL events mark the whole final cycle Revelation seven trumpets to Christ arrival and conquest of Earth.

In the meantime, you only give Christians a bad name. Eventually, the Judge will come for you too and it will be very direct to your face and very specific in fair warning as you seem to think you can do anything you want with no accountability; but you have only fooled you. The rest from here on out is up to you. You have become resistant to the Revelation like JWs your buddies of the modern darkness phase of fake Christians in apostasy who also think there is no accounting from above; but there is, but the warning goes forth so anyone can change course FAST.

A purpose of the JW org judgment is to warn others more is coming and it is time to seriously consider real personal repentance, because God don’t mess around when it comes to the blood of his Son and he won’t handle JWs with kid gloves because we knew better, and yet are worse than all of Christendom now.


[QUOTE who=”Nomi”]The mitigating factor is that we don’t know how long Adam was in the Garden, before Eve came into the picture. Apparently, we may be still in that space of time, between the two human’s being created. That is what makes a question mark, when trying to figure a calculation of time.[/QUOTE]

God has provided more reliable methods to time the final “2300 evenings and mornings” and the 1260 and 1290 days it will lead to. When the time comes God will allow an estimation based on world events that are to all be global in noticeability that mark key nodes in the seven trumpets final cycle based on the seven trumpet principle Fred Franz explained accurately with God’s help.

These world events shall escalate in severity as the “shadow government” emerges to the global light as world government, 8th King COMPLETE. To get there, there has to be as in 1914 as temple judgment, a world war sword stroke, and it resolving into that signal “world peace” and security which is the post BTG deposition main generic world government global mantra of the future.

Thus “the end” is to be marked by global events which will parallel the final timings of Daniel 8:14, Rev11:2, and Dan12:11 so everyone gets a solidly clear and credible final warning because its first event of global affirmation (and timing) is the temple judgment of Daniel 8:13-14 and the “trampling” desolation God will allow of the JW Organ because JWs decided being UN NGO Wildbeast global-publicists was OK with God, because their GB said it was OK with God.

But it wasn’t OK with God.

Once that is done and affirmed it will give great credibility to the final warnign which shall emerge from that JW global event to lead to the 1260 days into world government and the Christ arrival it shall trigger, easy peasy Japaneasy to the 1290 Christ open salvation period, the finality of it all. (Ps110:2)

It will get clear as a bell as we go into the world war into which context of Rev13:3 and Dan11:41-43 JW Org shall tumble as the final signal apostasy of our time. That world war resolves as per Rev13:3 and Rev17:8-12 into 8th King King North King Fierce whole Dan2 image WORLD GOVERNMENT, as per Matt24:29 it is the nations that fall into its shadow, their sun is darkened in old world order national spheres of then pawned “lights”.

Thus, we do not need to be diverted to CIA placed speculations on “this generation” and how long it took for God to pop the woman from Adam. All you need is the 1260 day time signature of Daniel 7:25,12:7, Rev11:2-3;13:5-7,12:14 to know when we get there.

[QUOTE who=”array”]

Its a very sad situation for many honest hearted JW that are so torn I hope there is a mass exodus in protest against this GB that are only interested in legalities NOT LIVES OF THE FLOCK.[/QUOTE]

1. There has been a mass exodus but it took 40 years for the numbers to show up. If you look at JW Facts JW stats page, JW should have been a 14 million in 2014 if the mid 90s growth trend had been projected to 2014. That loss is 6 million.

Now if you projected the 1970-75 trend JWs should be at 20 million by now. So at JW fFacts you can actually SEE the post 1976 downward spiral under the GB noose.

The mass exodus will come with the JW Org dissolution and JW ministry cancellation described in WT7/15/15. It will occur in an orgless situation of course but the thing that drives it is it completes Daniel 11:32-35,41 and its is based on the GB “end of the world” failed cover story. The org will end, the world will not, and that will stumble many JWs.

But it appears God may revive the thing when the GB is destroyed and the “right condition” purification has been reached in the Daniel 8:14 timing.

Then some JWs stumbled can be recovered to take part in the final warning it will transform into as Rev8-11 runs its course through the world war (Rev13:3) and into world government and that triggers Christ arrival.

But that also takes another 15 years or so, so take it from the JW org catastrophe coming up, and go from there. (Matt24:!5, flee the org)


[QUOTE who=”imagoodboy”]<quoted text>

What is there to say?

It is assumed!

Heb 7:4 seems to indicate he was a man.

And Heb 5:1-6 also seems to indicate he is a man!

I don’t see the need for a High priest in the heavens for spirit angels so to me that’s a good indication he is a man.

And yet while we don’t have access to his genealogy record to prove any linkages as it did not depend on linage.

But Jesus does have a genealogy record we do know his father and we do know his mother and we know he didn’t descend from the tribe of Levi but he has his priesthood according to the manner of Melchizedek.

And even so this does not prove that he is Michael or Jesus. It is just supposition.[/QUOTE]

We know he is a man. Demons became men to have sexual intercourse with the women of Genesis 6 and so today.

The question is, where is the man from?

There is nothing special about a human form to an angel. It would be easy to assume the form of a human as easy as a wolf, they are intimately related as generatable from base DNA whether from the genome of creation or as spontaneously generated by angelic intelligent energy manipulation as all matter is layers of energy. Thus an angelic wolf need not be from the wolves that left Noah’s ark.

The question is then what is Melchizedek’s true origin? Human genome or angelic incarnation?

As clearly stated his genealogy and national background is unknown. As a human he has no parentage whether literal we do not know, if it was literal then he was generated from angelic designed DNA as human incarnations, of course, have no human parentage.

( In an analogy, Christ was not an “incarnation” he was of human and divine DNA genomic origins by sexually produced zygote via Mary his mother and God Almighty his Father, albeit not physical sex insemination but an insemination of the perfect base-foundational Michael form none the less.)

Now, if we go the angel designed DNA route, in the human context, as Michael (or Christ) is not eternally present, Melchizedek has no beginning, because he has no parentage in the description, because he is derived from angelic incarnation with the sole purpose of bestowing a divine spiritual blessing on Abraham his lesser.

(Hebrews 7:6-7) but the man who did not trace his genealogy from them took tithes from Abraham and blessed him who had the promises. 7 Now without any dispute, the less is blessed by the greater.

That begs the biggest question of the human context of all. What human could possibly be considered by God greater than Abraham? Well when he came again as a man, we are told:

(John 8:52-59) 52 The Jews said to him: “Now we do know you have a demon. Abraham died, also the prophets; but you say, ‘If anyone observes my word, he will never taste death at all.’ 53 You are not greater than our father Abraham, who died, are you? Also, the prophets died. Who do you claim to be?” 54 Jesus answered: “If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing. It is my Father that glorifies me, he who you say is your God; 55 and yet you have not known him. But I know him. And if I said I do not know him I should be like you, a liar. But I do know him and am observing his word. 56 Abraham your father rejoiced greatly in the prospect of seeing my day, and he saw it and rejoiced.” 57 Therefore the Jews said to him: “You are not yet fifty years old, and still you have seen Abraham?” 58 Jesus said to them: “Most truly I say to you, Before Abraham came into existence, I have been.” 59 Therefore they picked up stones to hurl [them] at him; but Jesus hid and went out of the temple.

And that is the argument that seems to suggest Michael may well have been Melchizedek, Abraham’s superior and the one who sealed the promise covenant with the required divine blessing.


[QUOTE who=”Sammy”]Thats great. Keep up the work. I was just saying most people wont listen and only come on here to argue[/QUOTE]

Actually, I have felt the same way and had to think positive because it is hard soil like a barren woman’s cadaver and you are correct, I almost just gave up because I also had the KH guilt trip going on at that time. (Eventually it was realized the GB purpose is to diminish the JW ministry as such a web taboo shuts off this 2 billion person territory)

But some do listen and because of Daniel 8:13-14 (Hag2:7) a billion+ will eventually have to clue into the reality of the global events that lead to Christ arrival, which is NOT a simple 1-2-3 the end scenario in reality. (2Thess2:1-2) With many it is global catastrophe leads right to the end. But Matthew 24:6 states a clue to the contrary as affirmed by 1Thess5:1-3 as the “no wars” signal period to figure out and look for.

So, as usual in WW1 and WW2 and even Cold WW3, world war resolves into another UN pitch, this is the fourth one, the one that resolves into world government. And that is not what people expect in that catastrophe>>theEnd scenario.

It is catastrophe>>resolved/healed>>>worldGovernemnt>>>Christ arrival.

Now the world war resolution/healing will be seen by all, so will the world government and its world peace pitch it will lead to just as in WW1 and WW2.

By those two global developments having to occur as per prophecy before Christ arrives INSTEAD of the wham bam the end scenario forecast, many people can take advantage of what this all means and really get ready for the Christ to drop into their lives for real.

Stretching it out with some clear prophecy parallels in global seen global developments to mark the prophecy can thereby save more people. Getting JWs recovered (Dan8:13-14) to speak the full truth is what helps eventually spread this news globally and because that has to happen even before any of that other healing stuff, it too can add to the credibility of the final seven trumpet outline to Christ arrival as it becomes a final warning.

And because this would take around 15 years to unfold, there is plenty of time to test it. And if that timed first affirmation (Dan8:13-14) comes on JWs and JW org as it seems it must, then the rest of the forecast to follow that event is already in place as just as predictable as the JW temple judgment was. It just keeps unfolding as per the seven trumpets, and it has the TIMED JW org downfall as first proof to add credibility to the rest as the truth of the prophecy starts to become plainly obvious to aid salvation well before Christ drops in on complete world government.

We just await the global brewing context to mature into which JW org can crash and seem more a sideline by the more severe global context of Daniel 11:41-43 being more noticeable in whatever it may be like world war, massive false flag or whatever STARTING UP.

At that time, JWs as well as many int the world will view the “sword stroke” of catastrophic world war and probably financial collapses as if “it is surely the end everyone!”.

But Revelation 13:3 states otherwise, it will heal into full complete wild beast world government is all it is in reality, just a global-scare whose global-relief aids world government reception as per Rev13:3, Rev17:8-13, Isa41:1.

So that is a “Hegelian dialectic” based world government con job using a fake “doomsday” cycle to sell the world government.

And at this time, JWs are aiding the dialectic with their own fear hyping. So as per Daniel 11:32a, they are under Daniel 8:12 enemy system control. But only temporarily, it sets up events that eventually aid global attention on the location where the final warning will emerge for 1-3 billion people as Rev11:2-3 backed by God and Christ for the final warning and open salvation offer gone global by that time.


[QUOTE who=”El Cacique”]<quoted text> Control of whom or what? The average congo has anywhere in the ballpark of between 60- 85 publishers. Just publishers. Not including kids, studies and inyetested ones.

Now any of them can simply walk out by not attending meetings.

Nobody controls your finances, family, activities….NADA!

Do they encourage you to follow the norms according to biblical standards? Yes, in the affirmative.

Can some who are skeptical effectively see that as borderline cohersion? I would say just for arguments sake. Yes!….Skeptics do see it that way. Whether that view holds any validity can be also fairly argued for both sides

But, the instruction at the hall is for your well being.

If you don’t want to be a witness? Dont. This forum and many others like it is clear evidence that everyone has freedom of choice whether to remain a witness or not.


Oh I am Jehovah’s witness as a job and life, you are a GB witness with 1945 level knowledge. This is the final update from Jehovah and Jesus Christ. So, I will tell the “things which must shortly take place” for future proof I am Jehovah’s witness. (Rev1:1; Eze33:33)

Control of whom or what?
(Read Daniel 8:11-14 and Daniel 11:30-35 and Zechariah 3:1-5 please)

First, the bad news:

1. First, as per Daniel 11:42-43, they want to control the WTBTS 50 BILLION and all the “desirable things” of JWs globally.

2. Then they want to subvert the updates of prophecy to a now 1945 level JW “Kingdom message” stall. (Dan8:12b) (and sow in heavy sins (Zech3:3) like the UN NGO the Daniel 8:13 “TRANSGRESSION causing desolation” to the JW Org soon.)

3. Then they want to control the “trampling” crash of the JW org as per WT 7/15/15; 11/15/13 and cancel the JW ministry globally with a FAKE “the end” hoax as the cover story and exit strategy. (2Thess2:1-2)

4. Then they want to kill, capture and scatter JWs globally (Zech11) as they try to finalize the subversion to indefinitely delay JWs from the updates of the 1990 3rd UN prophecy (Dan11:31b) to the world war which resolves as per Rev13:3 into world government. (Hence Matt24:15 and that UN NGO “disgusting thing” red flag)

Now the good news:

Up to the crash it is Daniel 8:13-14 to its 3.19 year midpoint of time span of the “evening” of Daniel 8:14,26. When it BEGINS Daniel 8:14 timing, soon, JWs get the Isaiah 38, 15 year “life extension” for a special mission. (Zech3:4-9; Rev10:5-11)

Then as the “morning” of Daniel 8:14,26 starts up, JWs [[eventually]] get the Rev10:11 directive to “prophesy again”, it is the final warning 1260 days to begin eventually from there after the “right condition” recovery-to-purification is met.

The goal is to keep all this OUT of the JW ministry as long as possible. But the Destroyer and Temple King has another purpose for Zech3:2 JWs, from God.

It is the temple judgment final cycle therein described in the above.

It will all come true, and that is the prophecy that wiped Daniel out physically for days in Daniel 8:27 and now you can probably see why he was affected so deeply by Daniel 8:13-14,26.


[QUOTE who=”imagoodboy”]<quoted text>

Would you say God had put the spirit of life in him = the principle of life or the function of life (not as a life = person) ?

I’m not changing any think your the one making grandiose claims in your story!

I’m just seeking facts.


The Bible is grandiose already and so is all of its stories. You can’t make it more grandiose it is the true Word of God in written form.

Not sure your question. When a person dies the first thing visible that starts to leave is the water. The spirit left the blood, the water in the blood then leaves. In time in a dry environment the rest becomes as dry as sand.

The materiality has no life in it. By it being fully imbibed by the water in the blood and however God creates the life spirit in that medium, is what puts the light into a material body. In UV levels humans glow, but not after they die, they become room temperature.

But God is not just filling a body. By haploid gametes combining into a human or animal zygote, the smallest cellular human definition further defined in the DNA intelligent engine is PART of the life process, not “infused” it is alive in both gametes, even if the zygote originally came from God even if in the materiality as a full man or animal in the initial CREATION BIRTH.

We do not know, it is the chicken egg thing wherein chicken seems the answer. BUT even if it was, the dual gamete combination of the original chicken has to be somewhere even if in the Almighty mind as the basis of all design and realty.

Henceforth it can be passed on in normal sexual reproduction as we understand it. The interesting aspect is when it came from the spirit world in the first place for the first of its kind, which could be from God’s power and mind generation, or an angel or even an angelic person “coded” into the zygote, because even angels have a “DNA” like defining code which also came originally from God. In the first angel, or Archangel it was direct from God as the “template definer”, after that the angel is the intermediary of the material form driven from the spiritual design “template”.

Adam was the Son of God, but as per the process he was born from the Word Michael as the template intermediary, and holder of the original pattern in memory of its God defined reality which God must ALSO maintain, Michael just transmits the zygote definition to reality.

Thus for God to “clothe” the zygote in say human tissue is easy for them, it becames integral to the process of life. An incarnation is a temporary and mission purposed representation of this related process but from something that is not going to pass gametes into females (as they did in genesis 6), it may very well just be clothed in tissue with no DNA whatsoever, because it is just a material generation not derived from the DNA genome of an actual earthly creation. That is why an angel could clothe his power in steel as easily as human “meat”, it is just generated for a shell use controlled by a superior intelligent power easily capable of total material control, it is not actually part of the creation as God began in Genesis 1 where in every ant and creation number is a known.

But in any event, this is where Satan screws around to try to change creation and to install and test viruses and DNA mutations for various designed purposes constantly at a biotic level of war with God’s spirit controlling the extent of those powers, but some make it into the gamete and DNA pool.

I’ll end on that tangent before we get to out there.


What we know from Paul from God is that the blood is just part of the story of Christ sacrifice purpose:

(Hebrews 10:10) . . .By the said “will” we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all time.

The BODY is also part of the perfection process. The “atonement” blood just buys the required time to mature the “body” aspect of the sanctification of mankind because that is Last Aadmic “body” in the Christ sacrifice and dynamically in God’s POSSESSION, at least in its exact “image of God” divine definition.

The body was NOT “dissolved”, that is a GB blasphemy. True it could boil down to a DNA image, the body is actually available to God for the human “rebirth” too, they just come from the Isaiah 54 “woman” who is Christ’s bride NOT the “woman” of Rev12:

(Isaiah 54:1-3) . . .“Cry out joyfully, you barren woman that did not give birth! Become cheerful with a joyful outcry and cry shrilly, you that had no childbirth pains, for the sons of the desolated one are more numerous than the sons of the woman with a husbandly owner,” Jehovah has said. 2 “Make the place of your tent more spacious. And let them stretch out the tent cloths of your grand tabernacle. Do not hold back. Lengthen out your tent cords, and make those tent pins of yours strong. 3 For to the right and to the left you will break forth, and your own offspring will take possession even of nations, and they will inhabit even the desolated cities.

Sarah as the “Jerusalem Above” was barren BUT had the “husbandly owner”.

The Isaiah 54 woman is barren AND husbandless as is Christ’s Bride at this time, plus she bears well more than 144000, she births all restored mankind with Christ as Eternal Father and can even expand the “place of your tent” of Rev21:3-4, making Earth bigger the “place” of “God’s tent” with mankind.

And Paul allowed for this because Galatians review of this is a RIDDLE:

(Galatians 4:21-27) . . .Tell me, YOU who want to be under law, Do YOU not hear the Law? 22 For example, it is written that Abraham acquired two sons, one by the servant girl and one by the free woman; 23 but the one by the servant girl was actually born in the manner of flesh, the other by the free woman through a promise. 24 These things stand as a symbolic drama; for these [women] mean two covenants, the one from Mount Sinai, which brings forth children for slavery, and which is Ha′gar. 25 Now this Hagar means Sinai, a mountain in Arabia, and she corresponds with the Jerusalem today, for she is in slavery with her children. 26 But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother.

This below, is about the Isaiah 54 woman as some have ASSUMED was about the “Jerusalem Above” and Hagar, but now we know this ultimately compares Christ’s Bride to the Jerusalem Above:

27 For it is written: “Be glad, you barren woman who does not give birth; break out and cry aloud, you woman who does not have childbirth pains; for the children of the desolate woman are more numerous than [those] of her who has the husband.”

And Christ’s Bride was former slaves of sin, hence the Hagar symbol revisited for both Gal4 and Isa54 illustrations.

Paul would KNOW that, he did not make a “mistake”, he weaved in a little perfect riddle by God’s insight into this matter of the real final two women in Isaiah 54, God’s woman and Christ’s which has the greater number of divine children, albeit human, as defined [after] the 144000 Bride is all birthed by God’s “woman”.

And that is how the “body” of Christ also “bread of heaven” is part of the human perfection process. And also why human of that covenant** of the near future, do NOT have to partake of the Memorial powers of the “bread” and the “wine”, because they can BECOME the reality of those powers as perfect humans under their Last Adam perfect blood and body Eternal Father Christ.

(Ezekiel 34:25) . . .And I will conclude with them a covenant of peace**, and I shall certainly cause the injurious wild beast to cease out of the land, and they will actually dwell in the wilderness in security and sleep in the forests.

Daniel 12:12 is the reception, when human “great crowd” actually enter the global environment of that last covenant for humans (of this period) empowered under the “Marriage of the Lamb” to complete as the perfect human children in the making, bound under that Marriage “covenant of peace” wherein Christ’s Bride is the New Eve Eternal Mother implied.


[QUOTE who=”array”]<quoted text>gangsters probably Morris reminds me of a mafia boss and those pinky rings are a dead give away.


Same with Lett=KILLERS. Think he got that off center nose going door to door? CIA and other globalist intel runs that joint now, they killed Fred Franz on Saturnalia 1992 as they did Russell on Halloween 1916. Ritual Satanic sacrifice.

ALL the WT President were killed just as or right after a world war ended, including Rutherford by isotopic radiation poisoning. Knorr as taken out by the same crap, but in no particular transition I could see other than the GB coup proceeding.

Tumors is what makes their deaths as a pair suspect. But the hope was in 1942 with JF to shut up the UN prophecy that Knorr and Fred got out anyways.

In 1992 it was another story. UN 3rd presentation of 1990 is a prophecy at Daniel 11:31b and Daniel 8:23, BUT they killed Fred Franz and they DID silence that UN prophecy as UN1-2-3 is what would have been the result via 1990 3rd UN event.

Then UN1-2-3-4, 4 as UN World Government would now be easy to detect since 1990 and KN could assume the globalist world government development it actually is and JWs would NOT be expecting “Daniel 11:44 next”, they would know Daniel 11:41-43 is next.

Now they have JWs over advanced in Daniel 11 expectations and now they can sell the coming world war and the JW org seige as if Daniel 11:44, when it is Daniel 11:41 siege.

This way they can crash the JW org, and just tell JWs it is “the end” as the cover story and herd them off helter skelter to “obey the org as crazy as it sounds” “bunkers” to FEMA.

Thus they killed Fred Franz and went UN NGO to seal the “transgression causing desolation” to JW org of Daniel 8:13, and just IGNORED that 1990 3rd UN event as if it was NOT a prophecy, but it is and it is Daniel 11:32a by this kind of anti-JW and anti-Christian GB led criminal activity.

So, they are going to take over JW org, cancel the JW ministry and just sell it to JWs as “the end”, but only JW org ends, the world just proceeds to UN 4 as world government, JWs are clueless and just “Jonah” tossed overboard to figure it out orgless and scattered, later.

But God will stealth intervene via Destroyer, wipe out the Assyrian presence in the JW ministry, wipe out the GB, and take it over again, heaven is no longer Rev8:1 silent, it is then Rev8:3-8, temple judgment and its Rev9 recovery to lead to the eventual final warning.

All this JW scandal crap will just garner massive JW org downfall attention, HUGE attention.

And when God has them all looking where they need to be looking, he will pop out the final warning in the world’s face from among recovered “sackcloth” donned JWs to lead to Rev11:3 final warning of Rev10:5-8 as Rev10:11 “you must prophesy AGAIN” command of God.

And all that BEFORE the complete UN 4 world government, because that entity will trigger the full blown Christ mega-arrival of Rev19:11-21, Rev14, Rev11:11-12, Matt24:29-31.

Thus the poor GB twits played right into God’s hands, now they are IN his trap. That steel trap as TWO Jaws, witness 1 1914-1918 and witness 2 this will trun into in the future. The final warning, 1260 days twice, 2520 days, “seven times” complete, Christ arrives.


There is something we know about God, he likes to finish things where he begins things:

(Zechariah 4:6-9) Accordingly he answered and said to me: “This is the word of Jehovah to Zerubbabel, saying, ‘“Not by a military force, nor by power, but by my spirit,” Jehovah of armies has said. 7 Who are you, O great mountain? Before Zerubbabel [you will become] a level land. And he will certainly bring forth the headstone. There will be shoutings to it: “How charming! How charming!”’” 8 And the word of Jehovah continued to occur to me, saying: 9 “The very hands of Zerubbabel have laid the foundation of this house, and his own hands will finish [it].

And with regard to the spiritual house or creation or whatever Jesus Christ and all his other names and titles is the one who really started everything by God and will be the one who finishes everything. Because God tolerates no rivalry for long and doesn’t set up rivals, that he made Christ King and a human means of restoration and fulfilling the covenant with David is because in Christ is the answer to everything, in him is everything that has ever been made whether it be angels and their worlds or man and his, this is a REAL KING, not some fake coming in to rule heaven in God’s name and to rule Earth in the same “your will be done” EVERYWHERE I GO manner, because he is the coming one in that “let you Kingdom come” and God will answer his sons prayer.

There is a reason why God built an EVERYTHING in Michael the Ancient Angel, the first, logically alos the “only begotten” direct Son of God and the Melchizedek “You are my Son” was a special sort of sonship for Christ has always already been God’s Son.

But this time he is God’s IMMORTAL GOD Son, the Hebrews described reward to Michael for that mission accomplished perfectly to gather and restore EVERYTHING in the very source from which EVERYTHING came into existence to now be reborn in EVERYTHING born from an Immortal God in Jesus Christ is to be an upgrade FOR EVERYTHING to be re-blessed in the main hierarchy affecting EVERYTHING on Earth:

(Genesis 1:26-28) And God went on to say: “Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness, and let them have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and the domestic animals and all the earth and every moving animal that is moving upon the earth.” 27 And God proceeded to create the man in his image, in God’s image he created him; male and female he created them. 28 Further, God blessed them and God said to them: “Be fruitful and become many and fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving upon the earth.”

Now not just “nations of the earth”:

(Genesis 18:18) Why, Abraham is surely going to become a nation great and mighty, and all the nations of the earth must bless themselves by means of him.

But also the more extensive “families of the ground” which is families of all life on Earth:

(Genesis 12:3) And I will bless those who bless you, and him that calls down evil upon you I shall curse, and all the families of the ground will certainly bless themselves by means of you.”

So as per Genesis 1:26-28 new hierarchy under Last Adam the animals worlds are also to be blessed empowering this guarantee, not just a possibility but a triple sword promise of God:

(Ezekiel 47:9) And it must occur that every living soul that swarms, in every place to which the double-size torrent comes, will get life. And it must occur that there will be very many fish, because there is where this water will certainly come, and the [seawater] will be healed, and everything will be alive where the torrent comes.

Thus, Christ is King Savior and fully qualified and dedicated to restoring everything, as part of the “joy set before him” as he rights every wrong and fully destroys everything that may want to even rob and ant of his life.

(Romans 8:18-22) Consequently I reckon that the sufferings of the present season do not amount to anything in comparison with the glory that is going to be revealed in us. 19 For the eager expectation of the creation is waiting for the revealing of the sons of God. 20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not by its own will but through him that subjected it, on the basis of hope 21 that the creation itself also will be set free from enslavement to corruption and have the glorious freedom of the children of God. 22 For we know that all creation keeps on groaning together and being in pain together until now.

Thus splattering Satan and the demon brains out behind the tool shack to end the destruction of the enemies of life will complete the mission fully in the ONLY one Rev4-5 worthy of doing so:

(Hebrews 2:14-16) Therefore, since the “young children” are sharers of blood and flesh, he also similarly partook of the same things, that through his death he might bring to nothing the one having the means to cause death, that is, the Devil; 15 and [that] he might emancipate all those who for fear of death were subject to slavery all through their lives. 16 For he is really not assisting angels at all, but he is assisting Abraham’s seed.

And all would know why this one replaces the “the one having the means to cause death” with the “power of an indestructible life”, and as alone worthy from God alone under God is the REAL AND TRUE WORTHY KING:

(Hebrews 7:15-17) And it is still more abundantly clear that with a similarity to Melchizedek there arises another priest, 16 who has become such, not according to the law of a commandment depending upon the flesh, but according to the power of an indestructible life, 17 for in witness it is said: “You are a priest forever according to the manner of Melchizedek.”

Because God is not accepting incapable human and demons trying to be wannabee kings and with a vengeance he will destroy them and their rival thrones by the real King himself.

And when God sets up a salvation and a King it is the one who started everything fro God, God completes the whole mission in the evry same being He began the mission IN “IN the beginning”.

Michael is “the beginning”, God has no beginning but Michael the Son of God and Word of God is the benchmark of all time and reality and is not just a self invented king but he is the REAL THING the King crowned by God Almighty himself, so people can obey him and if God later deems it they will also worship Christ but only when God makes it clear that is the way beyond Hebrews 1:6 meaning.

(Hebrews 1:6) 6 But when he again brings his Firstborn into the inhabited earth, he says: “And let all God’s angels do obeisance to him.”

But for the finality of the purpose and mission:

(1 Corinthians 15:28) But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone.





[QUOTE who=”Matt9969″]I don’t want our next president to act presidential, cause know what that means? It means making lots of promises, bowing to the demands of lobbyist and the congress that is in their pockets and bowing to other world leaders who clearly control the American budget, and who make hundreds of millions of dollars after they leave the white house. Presidents have been arrogant pansies.

Trump doesn’t need the money…



Not the beggar’s peanut money of the POTUS that is.

Trump has everyone fooled. If they think he is incapable of making an extra 10 billion as President they missed the point of why a billionaire would quit his day job to be POTUS in the first place. Think about it from the stand point of an expert globalist con man. And I mean it in a respectful manner, Trump knows the deal, you do not pull a fast one on Trump as far as globalism based business enterprise. But go ahead and fool ourselves, that is how a good con works. Trump is a MASTER CON man, not average.

Because he knows with Jared Kushner how to play the globalist system to profit off it and he has admitted as much in his Alex Jones interview.

The whole simplistic campaign theme, the whole idea people have that he is an actor and not up to the job is just part of the veneer so the fox can slip into the global chicken coop, that guy knows people are not going to understand even the basics of what makes international law going global by enforcement different.

When Trump and Kushner walk into another country they know their globalist corporate network better than their own leaders because their leaders are dated “old world order” nation-state politicians but Trump and Kushner are globalist expert “new world order” multi- billionaires who know what they are looking for in a future profit score at HUGE levels and how to infuse fuzzy globalist capital now into an available 100 under performing ENTIRE national economies. They have so much global nation-state gazelle’s limping around that they will have to pick and choose the lion deals they will undertake and a 100 billion dollar ROI is not out of the question for those two and their corporate intel brain center.

These guys are NOT carnival cons, OK?

Them national leaders best watch their arse because them foxes will meet the wolf because Trump comes from another world from the globalist world that knows how to rise on the fall of nation-state systems and to throw out life preservers as long as they get the WHOLE ship later. (Dan11:42-43)

The only thing that could stop Trump is other globalist factions who may view his genius as a threat and they just may send him up JFK Boulevard, we have to wait and see, because Trump knows how to transition to globalism without sucking the dog dry as the Bush Clinton globalist gangster puppets have been doing since 1990 to America and they like it. They may view Trump’s fairness as a threat to the multi-trillion dollar empire goal.

America by now should have 200 TRILLION in assets not 100 TRILLION in debt and unfunded liabilities. America like the USSR before it has been robbed blind and is on the very same skid row track as the USSR it’s younger nation-state doomed brother. (Hence not Daniel 11:36 real “King North”, that is the GB ignoring 1990 3rd UN (Dan11:31b; Dan8:23) meaning so JWs can be sold “the end” hoax soon as if Daniel 11:44, but it will be Daniel 11:41)

All Trump wants to do is pay back a more fair stipend to the US Slave System, BUT the globalist vampires he has to work with may not want to chip in to help recover the US but to crash the 7th King King South in grand manner because their greed has no satiation. And it depends on Satan’s choice, he may go with his main Globalist Vampires who have run the US since  the JFK pivot into the 4th Reich US nation-state colony.

So those are the guys Trump has to watch, they are the only ones in his league and they may want to bag him with the nation-state economic system he is merely trying to put an IV into rather than let the vampire globalist suck the last remaining drops from America in their mad quest to rule the world by an iron fisted world government.

In the background of the Trump play is an understanding world government will come, he would just want it to be more fair to the salves who built his empire, but other globalists have another idea for world government and they are the ones who may take Trump out while using an upswing to issue a fake “peace and security” so the chaos they will unleash on King South “Egypt” will be perceived by many, such as GB primed and over ridden JWs, as “the end”, which makes these people far easier to control when doomsday and Christ arrival is what they think it is leading to.

But as per Matthew 24:6 the peak global controlled chaos of the sword stroke collapse is NOT the context arrives into. As per world government’s obvious coming main mantra it is their “world peace” [and “freedom from care” “security”] and world war sword stroke “healing” as the context of Isaiah 41 and Rev17:8-14 that Christ arrives upon “at the time you think not”. (Dan8:25=1Thess5:1-3)

NO not at fake “doomsday” when everyone and his mother thinks Christ arrives in 2Thess2:1-2 warned of error of premature expectations. Nope, after the Rev13:3 global ” sword stroke” runs its course and Isa41:1 heals, THEN is the time “people think not” to be the time Christ arrives into as per 1Thess5:1-3’s and Matthew24:6’s global contexts compared as to their main difference: NO WARS and World Peace.

Satan knows how to fool a whole world at once, and that world government world peace is how he will do this the last time. (Rev17:8-13; Rev13:3) so that people actually ADMIRE and ACCEPT the 666 world government with ticker parades and huge global celebrations 100000 huger than post WW2’s United Nations “we need world peace” sales party.

No mater what Trump may do, he is just a cog to continue the running of the King North world government engine, but he may be to radical in fair globalism thought to be tolerated the whole time. We will have to wait and see what they got in store for him. They got Kushner coming into his supposed Illuminati prime so they got the guy they may use further in there anyways, Trump may just be the distraction. It is no accident the WTBTS sold their self-named DUMBO complex to Kushner. Get it? They are scarlet in connection same as that UN NGO UN publicist gig JWs cart around like some kind of UN new girls on the street street walkers for UN “public information” laced into JW publications as overseen the Daniel 11:32a GB.

Either way this is a bad moon storm rising over JW land. (Dan11:41; Dan8:11)


[QUOTE who=”roy”]<quoted text>Matthew 25:13 “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the”Be on the alert then, for you do not know the day nor the hour. … Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh. … It will be a day of search and inquiry; and it concerns us to think how we shall then
When The World Will End. … “But concerning that day or that hour, no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the … Therefore, stay awake, for you do not know on what day your Lord is coming.?
I Thessalonians chapter 5 teaches us that the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night. Matthew 24:42-43 relates the same story. It also says that the Lord will come as a thief in the night, and thathe twinkle of the eve –
“I Thessalonians chapter 5 teaches us that the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night. Matthew 24:42-43 relates the same story. It also says that the Lord will come as a thief in the night, and thathe twinkle of the eve”.


You can’t figue out the day and hour, but the month and year will become doable if you pay attention to ONE thing:

The GLOBAL event indications within the “seven trumpets” FINAL Revelation cycle that step 1-2-3 to Christ arrival over a final “sword-stroke” of Revelation 13:3 as the “tribulation of those days” global context. (Rev16:1-9; Dan11:41-43)

It WILL become fully known in that context and these 3 things will unfold as the final indications leading to the Christ arrival:

1. Temple Judgment: JW Org goes down as Daniel 8:13-14 in apostasy and judgment by the GB lead of Daniel 11:32a; Daniel 8:14 timing is minimum 3.19 years JW GLOBAL desolations; It is Revelation 8:1-8 inception trumpet 1=Temple Judgment.

2. Recovery to Final Warning: The temple is purified in desolation to the Daniel 8:14 “right condition” for the recovery into the 1260 days final warning; (Rev9-11:1-7; Zech3:1-5; Mal3:1-5)

3. Final Warning to World Government: That final warning “second witness” “two witnesses” ministry is deposed (Rev11:7-10; Dan12:1) while en route to and into full world government “ascending from abyss” (Rev11:7; Rev17:8-13) and its final post BTG downfall signal for its final “world peace” claim under full 8th King world government. (Rev17:11-18; Dan11:44-45; Dan8:25)

4. That triggers the Christ arrival; (Matt24:29-31; Rev11:11-12; Rev16:17-20; Rev14; Rev19:11-21)

This has to be known BEFOREHAND this time for obvious reason that to know it after the fact would be TOO LATE!

JWs remain the focus from first witnessing 1914-1918 to apostasy of today to temple judgment accounting and recovery of the final warning among them as a global signal with crystal clear final warning rationale and descriptions. (Including their apostasy and Daniel 8:13-14 temple judgment “little scroll” chapter 1.


[QUOTE who=”array”]<quoted text>gangsters probably Morris reminds me of a mafia boss and those pinky rings are a dead give away.


The concern was JWs would expose UN1-2-3-4 to world government and hence Christ arrival.

So they hid UN 3 in 1990 and adjoined JWs to it as UN NGO hence Matthew 24:15 plain as day.

Then the GB continued to “lift themselves over everyone” as MOL so that JWs have plain evidence in the UN NGO and GB MOL, but refuse to revolt or repent.

That seals a judgment of JWs that they KNOW is a given. (Isa36:10) BUT God gives Bethel to them, not JW global; as per Hosea 1:4-7 and Isa36-38

As per Daniel 8:12 the gradual subversion of JWs is the goal because they had the furthest progressed prophecy explanation.

To the KN Globalists they MUST destroy the JW Org and cancel the JW ministry to try to delay the needed UN1-2-3-4 update it as long as they can. This way they hope JW miss the final warning requirement of Rev10:11, and become rejected fully.

So, they got their best shadow group and GB intel front men in the Org to lead JWs to this planned KN invasion of the JW org global, as per Dan11:41.

You’ll know when it starts because it becomes Daniel 8:13-14.

But at 3.19 year point of Daniel 8:14, the Destroyer pays the trespassers a stealth visit in the night, and why this all relates that 3 year sign to the Isaiah 37:30-32 and Isa38 3 year sign of “Assyrian” removal for the rest of the plan to exterminate Jerusalem now global JWs.

JW are delivered by God for the final warning they are now covering up by GB lead. The GB is who Destroyer will exterminate at the 3.19 year table turn. (Zech3:5; Isa66:6; Matt22:1-14)

Bethel is the modern “city of murderers” of Matthew 22:1-14 and the “a system of things” that ends as apostate in Matthew 13 weed judgment.


US Presidents are the puppets of Corporate globalizing pantheons of powerful multi-billion and trillion dollar CEOs of the main Anglo-American elite “two-horned wild beast” whose 4 step goal is the creation UN World Government by a use of world war cycles ending into planned UN “image of the wild beast” global-presentations; as in (1) 1919, (2) 1945 and (3) 1990. (the future world war-to-UN-presentation is the last one, UN1-2-3-4)

World Government is composed of the UN Executive Branch “image” “nucleus”, the Global Finance Branch (Dan11:42-43) and the Global Military Branch (Joel3:9-12) which as a whole “Scarlet Wildbeast” define WORLD GOVERNMENT AS A WHOLE.

But it is all actually controlled by that group of powerful global corporations and their CEO leaders comprising the real Anglo-American Elite “Two-Horned Wildbeast” of Rev13:11-18.

Some call that the secretive controlling group, which controls all nation-state governments and politicians the “Shadow Government”.

This is how it relates to Donald Trump:

1. Donald Trump is the president, now there is no need for a puppet president for a powerful globalist corporate CEO group to control, he IS the globalist CEO in the White House.

2. Because other nations have political systems puppeteered in the same manner where politicians serve the globalist corporate agenda, now Trump can appeal straight to them other Globalist CEOs who control those nations, rather than play politics with the politician dodo birds of the nation-state pawn who know nothing about this stuff but are puppets and tools.

Thus Trump bypasses a couple former areas of progress speed delays to “gitterdone” faster.

We do not know Trump’s ultimate goals, but whether he lives, dies or becomes part of a false flag play where it only looks like he dies to drag Russia into the next Revelation 13:3 world war “sword stroke” to globally heal into World Government 4th UN step into Global 8th King “Scarlet Wild beast” top of the world King North, remains to be seen.

But had JWs explained UN 3.0 of 1990 (rather than go UN NGO co-publicists), as foretold in prophecy (Dan11:31b) as was UN 1919 LON, and UN 1945, all could more easily see the globalists have always used world war to “peace” resolve [before] a pivotal UN presentation and this world war would lead to UN1-2-3-4 as world government.

The unique Cold War WW3 that also ended in a UN 3rd presentation (Dan11:31b; Dan8:23) is what fulfills the unique global context description of Daniel 11:29.

Thus JWs are involved with cover up, wild beast collusion (Matt24:15) and being dumbed down by the Daniel 11:32a Apostate GB; all very much on purpose to crash the JW org in judgment into Daniel 8:13-14 in the Daniel 11:41 context of the Daniel 11:42-43 final King South 7th King nation-state system global downfall for King North world government finance system pawning.

Bethel’s GB and shadow boards are their “JW Shadow Government”, actually controlled by the “two-horned wild beast”.

Obviously, what is coming on JWs as Daniel 8:13-14 is not yet “the end”.

But that is how the GB Shadows will sell it to JWs so they can exit with their 30 BILLION dollars, crash the JW org, cancel the ministry, toss JWs overboard like Jonah, and let JWs try to figure it all out in a judged, scattered, and pummelled state.

In time, God will recover all the naughty Jehovah’s witnesses he can cause to repent. (Rev9-11:1-7; Zech3:2; Eze37)

It leads to the final warning of 1260 days of the “second” of the “TWO witnesses”. JWs will stay the global focus for good and bad and for good.


[QUOTE who=”Newtonian”]<quoted text>

Many ways, future man. Here are just two of the many:

1. This world is really having trouble bringing peace and security – there are so many different causes for violence.

For example…

wHAT IS If GETS TEN TIMES WORSE THAN ww2 in this next WW and crash cycle before world government? (Rev13:3)

Well, then it is NOT the end:

(Matthew 24:6) . . .YOU are going to hear of wars and reports of wars; see that YOU are not terrified. For these things must take place, but the end is not yet.

(Luke 21:9) . . .Furthermore, when YOU hear of wars and disorders, do not be terrified. For these things must occur first, but the end does not [occur] immediately.”

But when it does get that bad 2Thess2:1-2 misled JWs will indeed ignore Jesus Christ and instead listen to the GB “stranger’s voice” and they will try to tell everyone it is Daniel 11:44 with their fake Russia King North carrot.

But it will actually be Dan11:41 in the Daniel 11:42-43 King South 7th King downfall to rise as the 8th King King North World Government.

But until Daniel 8:14 runs its sad course on naughty JWs, JWs will be misled by the Daniel 11:32a “smooth word” GB who has been installed in JWs from King North to take JWs to prison*.

(Daniel 11:32) . . .“And those who are acting wickedly against [the] covenant, he will lead into apostasy by means of smooth words. . . .

But some JWs will do a jail break via Apollyon the Destroyer as he cleans out the weeds from the JW Farm and knocks some KN Assyrain globalist intel anti-JW head as Hosea1:4-7 and Isa31:8-9 at the 3.19 year fair warning point of the Daniel 8:14 “the evening” expired in JW temple desolation.

(**Isaiah 49:24-26) Can those already taken be taken from a mighty man himself, or can the body of captives of the tyrant make their escape? 25 But this is what Jehovah has said: “Even the body of captives of the mighty man will be taken away, and those already taken by the tyrant himself will make their escape. And against anyone contending against you I myself shall contend, and your own sons I myself shall save. 26 And I will make those maltreating you eat their own flesh; and as with the sweet wine they will become drunk with their own blood. And all flesh will have to know that I, Jehovah, am your Savior and your Repurchaser, the Powerful One of Jacob.”

When God sends out Abaddon to deliver JWsthey will ahve to attribute it to Jehovah as they are pounded into repentance to ignite Revelation 9 final cycle fulfillment.

Tell your GB Devils the Destroyer is coming for them and their KN puppet masters crawling around the JW org global.



I think the number as literal or symbolic often distracts people from the more important aspect of the “four winds”, because whether symbolic or literal and whatever it shows God has an exact number no matter what it may be. As you may be able to tell the seven seals have a “killed number” completion and the whole seven seals is a divine completion description, nothing of most importance is left out of it.

Because in time the final anointed get their seal by completing Revelation 10:11 command of God to pronouce the final warning a number of years from now and the number of years as Daniel 8:13-14 plays out those initial years as JW Org global desolations, knowing this will affect the chances of beign successful in final approval. This seal is the one Paul got when he got the affirmation from God, not just the token of the initial anointing.

So we know if they are all sealed it is AFTER the final warnign has completed. It can be dtermined that warning precedes world government 8th King completion by at least 1260 days following the Daniel 8:14 temple judgment.

That completion gathering of all things has to parallel Matt24:31 as well (and Rev14:14-16), for the “tribulation of those days” is NOT “cut short” by Christ. Christ arrives AFTER the “tribulation of those days” resolves into the Revelation 13:3 “sword stroke got healed” in the comign world war’s “world peace” resolution of 1Thess5:1-3.

Thus the period under 8th King world government will also be the time they have 10% global weapons system control, so it will be FAR MORE DANGEROUS than the world war that resolves to present world government. And THAT is that “four winds” in the final “one hour” of Rev17:12, and THAT is the period Christ arrives into to cut short the great tribulation in its final phase also marked as the four winds” of both Rev7 and Matt24:31.

Tha final warning is ceased by ascendant world government as per Rev11:7-12, and Daniel 12:11, and all final anointed seals will be accomplished BEFORE the depopulation attempt “four winds” of complete world government. And then that Rev7 finality of 144000 complete and great crowd complete is all finalized by Christ.

World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and “world peace” stated (1Thess5:1-3; Dan12:11), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

THAT is the simple main point that the final warning will carry after JWs are recovered from the JW org downfall which is comign up as Daniel 8:13-14, easily 15 years prior to 8th King world governemnt compeltion thus giving enough time to complete Rev10:5-11, Rev11:3.

You can test this in the future or ask God now and he will affirm it for you. (Rev1:1; Eze33:33) It STARTS with JW org downfall of Daniel 8:131-4 you can use that as the first sign this is the truth, soon. Do NOT buy the modern JW and other religious pretexts that this world war is “the end” for its is not as 2Thess2:1-2, Matthew24:6 and Luke 21:9 all attest.

They want Christians to think this is “doomsday”, but as per Rev13:3 the “doomsday sword stroke” comign up will ehal into full 8th King world government and that final warning will emerge from JW rubble to also go forth well before the real end of the world government rival.


[QUOTE who=”Aneirin”]<quoted text>

The Watchtower Society is a non-profit organization servicing over 20,000,000 interested ones world wide and providing for the worship of over 8,000,000 Jehovah’s Witnesses.

So it obviously has to manage a lot of money.

Not sure what your point is here.


By this time projecting 1975’s 15% JW growth rate JWs should be at 20 million with 40 million interested ones. Instead, JWs have STUMBLED more people and more people out of “the truth” than there have ever been baptized JWs.

Maybe, therefore, that is the more successful operation the dirty GB is putting the JW billions to use for all over the Web, eh?

A point is they need not AMASS a fortune unless they plan to port it off somewhere as they crash JW and tell JWs it is the 2Thess2:1-2 “the end” as the exit strategy cover story.

Get it yet?

Had it been a clean ministry with no GB it would break even for 20 millon Jehovah’s witnesses.

Are you or any JW going o explain to Jehovah were that lost 12 million sheep went? Because that is easily the number we are looking at and if we lumped in stumbled “interested ones” and xJWs we are looking at that 20 million stumble, beaten, and killed count REAL NUMBERS.

Get it yet? (Dan8:13-14)

JWs are actually the Zechariah 11 “flock mean for the killing” is what ti looks like.

[QUOTE who=”Nomi”]Then I have to say, Karen….you made a very questionable decision when you left. BUT of course, that is your privilege. I thought you had said you never went as far as being baptized. If you crossed over into another religion, you may have fell into Apostasy. That is not for me to judge, just making a statement.

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There is only one apostasy:

(Daniel 11:32) . . .“And those who are acting wickedly against [the] covenant, he will lead into apostasy by means of smooth words. . . .

And that is when JWs decided God created the final Christian ministry to publicize the 1990 3rd UN presentation as UN NGO side by side with the Kingdom of God latest news.

So, it is the GB who define final apostasy and partnered with the post 1990 Wildbeast world government development system by covering up the 3rd UN prophecy of Daniel 11:31b in 1990.

I don’t think Karen is who is being misled by the real GLOBALIST King North agents, but JWs are who now pack a UN NGO and imagine it to be noble to aid “religious freedom” from the UN Wildbeast entity assured in prophecy who will destroy global religions.

This is also why JWs cover up the GLOBALIST WORLD GOVERNMENT SYSTEM REAL KING NORTH for the USSR-to-Russia main distraction of a system which never will rule the “top of the world” position as 8th King King North World Government of the future.

Hence Matthew 24:15 exists among UN NGO JWs now. Not good. (Dan8:13-14)

The real UN allied Apostates are at Bethell.

[QUOTE who=”Jace”]<quoted text>
It was sad watching the elders being thrown under the bus

Many many good elders have no idea they are being sold up the river [/QUOTE]

This is the bottom up prosecutions. The WT laundering stuff also being investigated to public in the UK first is the top down prosecution news, but they save that for the more severe global developments of the future so when they bring it out they can go and dissolve the WT organization.

The GB is helping by “foretelling” this in WT 11/15/13, WT 7/15/15 and other articles but they are selling the op to JWs as “the end”, so when they do come for the criminal GB and WT boards they can try to parallel it to the 1918 situation of incarceration.

But it is really just an exit strategy for when they skip with the 30 billion for King North. (Dan11:32a)

In time the kid gloves come off for the steel maces to crush the organized crime of the JW org.

In reality it will be Daniel 8:13-14 and the peak period lasts 3.19 years for future proof you can watch on CNN as they also haul JWs and bottom up elder cronies to prison too, all they can get to obery them “obey the org as crazy as it sounds” insane directives “at that time”. (WT11/15/13 pg 20, par 17, #3)

Pedophile prosecutions take forever, with the rackets charges the ATF will show up that day. That is why this is to be a two sided sword approach to take out the JW org as the world war and global crash is starting up. That way WJs are just part of the traffic headed for the modern concentration camps, and that context will provide a bit of a global distraction. But it’ll still be on CNN.


[QUOTE who=”GreatSouthbay4040″]<quoted text> In fact, you are correct. The anointed first. Then by way of extension. The great crowd.

Gareth, Analytical or perhaps one of the other witnesses can probably expand on this with a bit more detail than i.


Jesus is the master pattern that in time applies to all whether spiritual formor perfect human form as the 144000 are first to transformed for Eternal Father Christ’s Isaiah 54 “woman” is the Eternal Mother to bear BILLIONS of perfect humans by this Christ master pattern of Heb2:14.

Great crowd type of sheep can “partake” of the ACTUALITY AND REALITY of the wine and bread as perfect life force perfected flesh human being in a perfect Hen10:10 “body” of Christ in its final form as earthlings have to follow the same patetrn but into the HUMAN PERFECT FORM which Christ provided by God to even get this ball rolling.

So human sheep do not need to partake of the emblem powers of Christ’s “bread” and “wine”, they can BECOME the reality as perfected human being born of Eternal Mother and Father Eternal in Christ in the final Marriage of the Lamb” based covenant they enter in Daniel 12:12.

(Ezekiel 34:25) . . .“‘“And I will conclude with them a covenant of peace, and I shall certainly cause the injurious wild beast to cease out of the land, and they will actually dwell in the wilderness in security and sleep in the forests.

Obviously by “sleeping in the forests” we are talking about human being on Earth, and that covenent has not been enabled by the Marriage of the Lamb yet, but it will be.

(Revelation 19:7-9) . . .Let us rejoice and be overjoyed, and let us give him the glory, because the marriage of the Lamb has arrived and his wife has prepared herself. 8 Yes, it has been granted to her to be arrayed in bright, clean, fine linen, for the fine linen stands for the righteous acts of the holy ones.” 9 And he tells me: “Write: Happy are those invited to the evening meal of the Lamb’s marriage.” . . .

Daniel 12:12 is the preparatory final period to bring that into being in its first stage.

(Luke 12:35-40) . . .Let YOUR loins be girded and YOUR lamps be burning, 36 and YOU yourselves be like men waiting for their master when he returns from the marriage, so that at his arriving and knocking they may at once open to him. 37 Happy are those slaves whom the master on arriving finds watching! Truly I say to YOU, He will gird himself and make them recline at the table and will come alongside and minister to them. 38 And if he arrives in the second watch, even if in the third, and finds them thus, happy are they! 39 But know this, that if the householder had known at what hour the thief would come, he would have kept watching and not have let his house be broken into. 40 YOU also, keep ready, because at an hour that YOU do not think likely the Son of man is coming.”

Daniel 12:12 is that “third watch” of the Daniel 12:7, 11 precursor final periods of the future finality of the second of the “TWO witnesses”.

Christ arrives in Daniel 12:11 “secodn watch” which the 1260 days warnign of Daniel 12:7 and Rev11:3 lead to,.


At this time, anointed Christians are very disorganized and subject to many ideas formed from tricky Bible writings and commentators on the Web.

And it will get worse until the Joel holy spirit is issued as the “evening” of Daniel 8:13 ends the JW desolation of the future as a visible global cue because actual anointed are invisible to human eyes as far as who they are.

After that, it has to become organized because God does not use a “disorganization” which is the only other option.

Satan is who causes disorder to aid confusion.

(Joel 2:15-16) . . .“Blow a horn in Zion, O men. Sanctify a time of fasting. Call together a solemn assembly. 16 Gather [the] people together. Sanctify a congregation. Collect [the] old men together. Gather children and those sucking the breasts together. Let [the] bridegroom go forth from his interior room, and [the] bride from her nuptial chamber.

The “bride” is still incomplete so that symbol is the spirit form anointed who are present as Rev6:9-11 are who come forth for the holy spirit phase to empower the final warning.

(Joel 2:28-32) . . .And after that it must occur that I shall pour out my spirit on every sort of flesh, and YOUR sons and YOUR daughters will certainly prophesy. As for YOUR old men, dreams they will dream. As for YOUR young men, visions they will see. 29 And even on the menservants and on the maidservants in those days I shall pour out my spirit.

It aids this final warning sign:

30 “And I will give portents in the heavens and on the earth, blood and fire and columns of smoke. 31 The sun itself will be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the coming of the great and fear-inspiring day of Jehovah. 32 And it must occur that everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will get away safe; for in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there will prove to be the escaped ones, just as Jehovah has said, and in among the survivors, whom Jehovah is calling.”

Current anointed are scattered and it will get worse before it gets pulled together again:

(Zechariah 13:7-8) . . .“O sword, awake against my shepherd, even against the able-bodied man who is my associate,” is the utterance of Jehovah of armies. “Strike the shepherd, and let those of the flock be scattered; and I shall certainly turn my hand back upon those who are insignificant.” 8 “And it must occur in all the land,” is the utterance of Jehovah, “[that] two parts in it are what will be cut off [and] expire; and as for the third [part], it will be left remaining in it.

That “sword” is King North “trampling” and invasion of JW org as Daniel 8:13-14 and Daniel 11:41. The “thirds” are related to the 1/3s of Rev8 Temple Judgment which also starts with the first trumpet as the specific temple judgment of Rev8:3-5, Dan8:13-14, Zech3:1-5; Mal3:1-5; 1Pet4:17.


After the 3.19 years of desolation as marked on JW org for a global signal, it leads to Rev9 to devour the rest of what scraps of apostasy have been left after God allows JW org to be desolated for apostasy and Daniel 8:13 UN NGO the specific “transgression” “causing desoaltion” to formthis judgment of the temple, to lead to a final issuance of final warnign propelling holy spirit for this:

(Revelation 11:3-4) . . .And I will cause my two witnesses to prophesy a thousand two hundred and sixty days dressed in sackcloth.” 4 These are [symbolized by] the two olive trees and the two lampstands and are standing before the Lord of the earth.

WHich is Zech 4 parallel where the Zech3 temple judgment cleansing and Zech3:6-9 commission has led as a sign:

(Zechariah 3:6-9) And the angel of Jehovah began to bear witness to Joshua, saying: 7 “This is what Jehovah of armies has said, ‘If it is in my ways that you will walk, and if it is my obligation that you will keep, then also it will be you that will judge my house and also keep my courtyards; and I shall certainly give you free access among these who are standing by.’ 8 “‘Hear, please, O Joshua the high priest, you and your companions who are sitting before you, for they are men [serving] as portents; for here I am bringing in my servant Sprout! 9 For, look! the stone that I have put before Joshua! Upon the one stone there are seven eyes. Here I am engraving its engraving,’ is the utterance of Jehovah of armies, ‘and I will take away the error of that land in one day.’


[QUOTE who=”Newtonian”]Bethel – Most of what you posted we agree on.

However, you seem to think God’s setting up of the Messianic kingdom (the stone of Daniel 2:35,44.45) is still future?

Or are you referring to when the Messianic Kingdom destroys all human governments as in Daniel 2:44 – yes, that is still future at Armageddon.

You see, Jehovah’s Witnesses are already enjoying the miraculous fulfillment of Isaiah 2:2-4 – including learning war no more!

The Messianic kingdom was set up in 1914 (Daniel 4:17,17; Rev. 11:15) when Satan diverted attention from the end of the gentile times (Luke 21:24) by causing the ‘nations to become wrathful’ (Revelation 11:18) at World War I in 1914.

But you are correct that many (e.g. the great crowd of Rev.7:9 & context) will gain salvation through the upcoming great tribulation, aka Armageddon.[/QUOTE]


There are “TWO witnesses” witnessings, one for each Kingdom related event.

1. God’s Kingdom event was 1914 (the “mountain” from which the “stone” is cut), that is the white horse “a crown was given him” of Rev6.

2. Future: But, the Christ “King of kings” event with all 144000 in the Dan7:26 “court” is yet to fully complete as Rev7:1-8, and it too will require a global proclamation BEFORE COMPLETION, the “prophesy again” of Rev10:11 in the future. THAT is the Rev19:11 “white horse” event of the King of kings of Christ crowned ALSO as Messianic King-Priest of Zech6:9-15 IN THE FUTURE, for not all 144000 are complete at this time.

The Kingdom Messianic was only BORN in 1914, yes it is complete when ALL 144000 are present as Rev14:1-8.

The full “set up” is not just Birth Newt, it is the WHOLE MESSIANIC KINGDOM OF CHRIST completion of Rev14, a final sequence outline of also Rev19:11-21, 20:1-3.

That Kingdom Messianic COMPLETION will also get a final warning announcement in the future as the second of the TWO witnesses. It all REPEATS for the Messianic Kingdom event and to invite all who desire to be those “invited to the marriage of the Lamb”, because the Bride is already complete and the center of the event with Christ not an invitee, but the event Bride in the first place.

HUMANS can come to the marriage as the end of Armageddon is much to be happy about:

(Revelation 19:7-9) . . .Let us rejoice and be overjoyed, and let us give him the glory, because the marriage of the Lamb has arrived and his wife has prepared herself. 8 Yes, it has been granted to her to be arrayed in bright, clean, fine linen, for the fine linen stands for the righteous acts of the holy ones.” 9 And he tells me: “Write: Happy are those invited to the evening meal of the Lamb’s marriage.” . . .

Daniel 12:12 is the preparatory final period to bring that into being in its first stage.


Newt, the GB has fallen into disapproval, they will not tell you these final things, but come they MUST:

(Isaiah 48:6-7) You have heard. Behold it all. As for you people, will you not tell [it]? I have made you hear new things from the present time, even THINGS KEPT IN RESERVE, that you have not known. 7 At the present time they must be created, and not from that time, even things that before today you have not heard, that you may not say, ‘Look! I have already known them.’

(Isaiah 42:9) . . .“The first things—here they have come, but new things I am telling out. Before they begin to spring up, I cause you people to hear [them].”

(Isaiah 43:18-19) 18 “Do not remember the first things (1914-1919), and to the former things do not turn your consideration. 19 Look! I am doing something new. Now it will spring up. you people will know it, will you not?

Get ready for the final Kingdom of Christ COMPLETION mode of the future. It cannot be stopped or delayed.

(Revelation 10:6-7) . . .: “There will be no delay any longer; 7 but in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to blow his trumpet, the sacred secret of God according to the good news which he declared to his own slaves the prophets is indeed brought to a finish.”

Obviously since 1914 there has been a delay. But this time it is the no delay mode for that final COMPLETE announcement.


Is gravity a theory? It was, but it is the way it is in relativity scale physical reality.

Same with “conspiracy theory”, much of it is becoming reality of secret planning. In time “conspiracy theory” will just be considered the way it is.

Prophecy contains all the main theme of “conspiracy theory” [1] whose main plot is world government development for the control of everything earthly.

So it all converges as final prophecy becomes final global history along with the affirmation of most world government-related conspiracy theory as reality.

In reality it is all very real. Satan is the main “conspirator” and no he does NOT tell everyone about it, but the Bible does.

It is no secret to sons of light:

(1 Thessalonians 5:4-6) . . .But YOU, brothers, YOU are not in darkness, so that that day should overtake YOU as it would thieves, 5 for YOU are all sons of light and sons of day. We belong neither to night nor to darkness. 6 So, then, let us not sleep on as the rest do. . .

Now those who like to doubt and ridicule “conspiracy theory” are the sleepers noted in the above.


World Government, Bible Prophecy and Conspiracy Theory Converge

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Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses are Anointed of Satan Daniel 11:32a


Thanks for your added thoughts… I have to say in my opinion the JW Organization does not deserve that much attentiin anf I dont think it plays any importance in the outworking of Jehovah’s plans…
I believe the JW organization is no different than the Catholic, Baptist or any other nominal church group that is a part of Babylon the great other than the Lord calling persons out from her..



They are not any different, the whole thing has been used by God and all parts have to devolve into wildbeast aiding apostasy. JWs were just the last ones to devolve since 1991. (by 1976 apostate GB lead; Dan11:32a; Dan8:12)

But, JWs did take the final prophecy to Anglo-American national system development point, now present in official form since WW1 made it history.

JWs did not ignore Daniel 2,7,8,11,12, Rev13,17 because those 7th King “King South” progressions are active right now and Christendom has been covering them all up by omission as their goal is to sell 666 world government of the future as if “God’s World Government”.

JWs problem is the same infiltration to cover up now among JWs the globalism basis of world government that globalizes fully into the final “King North” form. So JWs will have to be sacked as Daniel 8:13-14 next, to allow the progress to continue past the GB subversion of Daniel 11:32a. The GB will be destroyed by God’s Destroyer (Isa66:6; Isa31:8-9; Hos1:4-7), and that on CNN for all to see, so you’ll know at that time, this is real.

So everything JWs have mapped so far is correct except for the Daniel 8 and 11 apostasy and 1990 3rd UN event prophecies as foretold as was League of Nations 1919 and United Nations 1945. The GB is covering up Daniel 8 and 11 final world government globalization prophecy as the “throwing truth to the earth” of Daniel 8:12, as the “smooth word” unit of Daniel 11:32a.

The GB are anointed of Satan to complete their “faithful slave” lying blasphemy right among JWs as modern man of lawlessness and sons of destruction for they betray JWs to FEMA in the future in the US JW-org takedown sector. It is Daniel 11:41 and Dan8:13 and it goes global for 3.19 years peak JW org desolations and legal corporate dissolution for heavy crimes including pedophile stuff and rackets and laundering charges to also come out soon to the tune of a 30 BILLION dollar WTBTS skim job.

So JWs have made it all far more real than Christendom who is fully infiltrated and controlled for 666 world government promotions of the future as they mark their flocks 666 for Satan in all who accept these final deceptions. They are part of BTG have to ride a COMPLETE “scarlet wildbeast” which completes as fully globalization completed world government in the future like +15 years from now, after this final world war “sword stroke” resolves into the global healing to promote world government the “healer” system.

If they try to sell you world government as if “Jehovah’s World Government” after the US/UK global crash and world war cycle coming up, it is all 666 services infiltrated corporate religions.

Obviously, the 666 8th King world government is what the US/UK 7th King falls into the rise of. (Rev13:3; Rev17:8-13; Dan11:41-43)

World government completes before they exterminate global religions as BTG, so those are the final signs. (Rev17:11-18) World government completion is the final signal of the Christ arrival especially in their post BTG “world peace” mantra sales period of 1Thess5:1-3.

The final forecast has to emerge before all these things take place (Rev1:1), or of course, it would be too late and all Christians would be rejected because they would not perform the second of the two witnesses “prophesy again” (Rev10:11) final warning.

In time, the drawn out final cycle will make some current doubters become assured complete world government is the 666 allegiance test (Rev3:10; Rev13:15-18; Rev14:9-11) and it will trigger Christ arrival AFTER its signal global completion and they will not be nice guys, hence “four winds” and Matt24:21-22.

We have over 15 years left at this time.



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[1] ” You are all in fact sons of God through YOUR FAITH in Christ Jesus .”

[2] Our mother is heavenly Jerusalem , for the Jerusalem below is the slave woman and she is in slavery with her children ‘

[3] First Adam was from dust , second Adam is out of heaven , and just as we have all borne the image of the first man , so we shall all bear the image of the one from heaven .’

” Unless anyone is born again of spirit and water , he can not enter the Kingdom of God .”[/QUOTE]

That is true for the children of God. (Heb2:14) But Christ is also to have children, and those in heaven are not his children:

(Psalm 45:16) . . .In place of your forefathers there will come to be your sons, Whom you will appoint as princes in all the earth.

So we get a hint where they live.

(Isaiah 53:10) . . .If you will set his soul as a guilt offering, he will see his offspring, he will prolong [his] days, and in his hand what is the delight of Jehovah will succeed.

And we know the Christ sacirifce empowers these “offspring” of Christ. Jesus Christ is not the father but brother of the children of God born by the Jerusalem Above as God’s “woman”.

(Hebrews 2:14-18) . . .Therefore, since the “young children” are sharers of blood and flesh, he also similarly partook of the same things, that through his death he might bring to nothing the one having the means to cause death, that is, the Devil; 15 and [that] he might emancipate all those who for fear of death were subject to slavery all through their lives. 16 For he is really not assisting angels at all, but he is assisting Abraham’s seed. 17 Consequently he was obliged to become like his “brothers” in all respects, that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, in order to offer propitiatory sacrifice for the sins of the people. 18 For in that he himself has suffered when being put to the test, he is able to come to the aid of those who are being put to the test.

Jesus is not who anoints Christians nor himself as the first, nor is he father to those born into heaven, Jehovah is their Christener and Father.

But, Jesus Christ’s Bride cannot be a barren woman and with no husband, as is the case now and the children who define Christ’s bride were slaves of sin, are barren and have no husbandly owner in an official marriage yet as pictured not by Sarah but by Hagar in that application which finds a certain Bible chapter to explain it fully.

And it never has been God’s purpose to empty Earth of all humans beings, that has been Satan’s goal to remove all humans from planet Earth, but the nations are to be given to Jesus Christ:

(Psalm 2:7-8) . . .Let me refer to the decree of Jehovah; He has said to me: “You are my son; I, today, I have become your father. 8 Ask of me, that I may give nations as your inheritance And the ends of the earth as your own possession.

(Genesis 18:18) . . .Why, Abraham is surely going to become a nation great and mighty, and all the nations of the earth must bless themselves by means of him.

Now those nations are not nations of heaven and they receive the blessing on Earth under the 1000 Year Reign of Christ. The anointed Chidren of God are just the “firstfruits” and the first “children” pattern for the rest of the purpose in time where Christ will also become father.

(Isaiah 26:19) . . .“Your dead ones will live. A corpse of mine—they will rise up. Awake and cry out joyfully, YOU residents in the dust! For your dew is as the dew of mallows, and the earth itself will let even those impotent in death drop [in birth].

There is a Bible chapter that gets very specific as to who Christ is to become the Eternal Father of in enough detail to know who the children have to become, and who is their “Ternal Mother”, for they are not born of the Jerusalem Above, but the one below but in perfected “New Jerusalem” form.

[QUOTE who=”FutureMan”]Looks like the web bot moderator (I assume anyway) has completely taken out my comment to you here.

So I will try again.

It is my opinion that this article is a snow job for a project or projects that is ongoing for one reason or another and there are indeed plenty of photographic evidence to prove that they are spraying something in our skies.

But the question is, why, and what is it that they are really spraying up there?

What is it all for?[/QUOTE]

There can be a few goals. One is “sleeper” viral recombination activated when the catalyst “spray” is applied later which in theory could be used to target selective genocides in regions by biological design. First they apply the inert virus, then they spray the catalyst later, which combines with the inert to release designer virus like super black plague and so forth.

The other goal may be the application of nano and micro metals to the environment as HAARP related precision wave devices work can work of biologically ingested and environmental metals. Thus spraying now, would be priming areas for later HAARP assault which can selectively affect a certain metal.

Iron in human blood is already susceptible, but as with magnetite in dolphin and whale internal organ “radar”, certain metals can be present in only certain organs and tissues. If say nano aluminum was inhaled after a HAARP spray it will become present in the brain shortly after inhalation. In the brain it could then be targetted to cause mental breakdown and other psychological effects not just microwaving these metals at micro level.

I think they have another plan overall though, but I do not know what it is. In atmospheric suspension various chemicals and nano metals can aid plasma architecture to build devices like stratospheric lenses. They use these lenses to then direct precision wave energy through and when done the plasma definition just dissipates into the atmosphere. But with plasma designthere is all kinds of things they can generate for a specific one time use, and then just let the atmosphere return to its former ionic state after it is complete.

They may just be doing a light toxification at this time, because I do not know why they are applying all this so frequently and for so many years now. If it is smart dust applications they can spray nano computing dust for tracking purposes powered by organisms it comes in context with or ingested by.

Smart dust like plasma design opens up a host of potential uses. Whatever this is they plan to affect regional levels of effect with it, whatever it may end up becoming. They could be using it for weather control because nano metals suspended in atmosphere increase the heating capabilities of HAARP many times over, so it can aid atmospheric heating and cooling operations and HARRP like smart dust and plasma design can be applied to hundreds of uses from weather control to atmospheric weaponry and deradiation use, etc, etc, etc,

HAARP can also be used for tomographic surveilance to look under water and under ground anywhere in the planet. This is useful fro earth quake design when locating tectonic areas for energy applications to create earthquakes which catalysts can be nuclear or precision energy depending on where the tectonic target is.

But this is all nothing described here, they are 100 years and more ahead of the wildest specualtions at this time, because this stuff is what they will win the next world war with wherein nuclear missiles are old hat junk from post WW2, better used for urban demolition for new cities than for WW4 type war methods which will instead tap precision wave and anti-matter weapons which are hundreds of times more pwoerful than nukes and 1000s of times more precise and potentially precise.

For example by knowing the organic metals profile, they could just remove life by a species by species basis. If they can read DNA as some think they can, they can do selective racial genocides by automation.


[QUOTE who=”little lamb”]<quoted text>

i understand your point

Its connected to ‘first fruits ‘

I am aware that there is only one gospel in effect

And as scripture states ‘ Satan blinds the minds of the unbeliever , that the glorious gospel of Christ might not shine through ‘

it only the BLOOD of Christ and our witnessing in the face of death , that we overcome Satan ,

And until he is out of the way ..Jesus can’t marry his bride can he ?

So at the moment we are in a spiritual warfare …and its those called chosen and faithful , isn’t it ?

Jesus can’t marry a bride who is a harlot can he ?

That is why I believe we are at an end of a system

end of the time when Gentiles can become members of the Body of Christ .


If you timed the Revelation main prophecy of Rev4-22, Satan HAD TO BE CAST OUT, before the Revealtion 4-5 ceremony of the Lamb’s Kingship given in the Kingdom of God.

And so what you said about Satan applies again, he has to be abyssed before the Marriage of the Lamb, they NEVER let that thing sully the sanctity of the event.

So Revelation 12 event of Satan’s casting was BEFORE Christ was Kinged as king in God’s Kingdom, that is why he is termed “Michael”, because they had to kick out Satan first.

What is very cool about that event is some of Christ’s brothers, the “24 elders” definition HAD TO WITNESS Satan kicked out of heaven, because that child born to the woman is a LIVING ENTITY of Christ’s brothers as God’s “child” they he seeked to devour.

JWs do not understand that yet. But it is already in Revelation here:

(Revelation 21:14) . . .The wall of the city also had twelve foundation stones, and on them the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

So at the least, the 12 apostles had to be present to see Michael clean out heaven, because that foundation is also parallel to the child born in Rev12 as the Messianic Kingdom, merely BORN in that event.

But by the time Revelation 4-5 occurred, because Christ has to have understood the seven seals opened to him for quite some time now, Satan had to be expelled, he did not sully that ceremony.

The seven seals cause much confusion because they are unique, they are TWO prophecies in one. The seven seals opened is one prophecy of Christ understanding it all from God as the only one worthy. BUT the events depicted in the seals are “nested prophecies” within those seals, they do NOT occur when the seals are opened, they were only fully understood by Christ how they would occur.

The seventh seal results in the “seven trumpets”, and THOSE EVENTS are the ones of those nested sub-seal prophecies, they are the ACTUAL events to finalize in final cycle form in the near future in perfect order and over a few final years so all anointed in time will know this stuff for a certainty as aided by the temple cleansing holy spirit out poured to end the desolation phase.

You know the basic purpose, but if you have any doubts that holy spirit out pouring required for the future will aid understanding for all anointed who get that initial cleansed approval, because it has to understand the Messianic Kingdom is what is then to complete in these last anointed, and that also gets a global proclamation.


The TWO witnesses will have had 2 cycle, past, and future, and EACH ONE announces the Kingdom phase it is ushering in on Earth, the first one was Christ crowned as Lamb in God’s Kingdom, the REv 6 crown, the final one is Christ coronated as King-Priest “King of kings” as ALSO Kingdom of Christ king too, the one he rules Earth in as the “Throne of David”.

THAT is the white horse King of kings conquest mode symbol AFTER Christ is crowned King of kings in that Messianic Kingdom complation, wand that si why there are two white horse entries one at Rev6, and the final one at Rev19:11-21.

The final warning is very simple in spite of all this for it is open salvation if one avoids the 666 of world government allegiance, and that world government triggers Christ arrival. Very simple.

But because Revelation 10:5-8 is a COMPLETE “SACRED SECRET” SUMMARY of the future, it will also have a totally complete and detailed background documentation as God always provides written warning in addition to verbal to the enemy system and the world system (full of igorant ones, as well) because some from the enemy system can also surrender to Christ rather than go down with the NWO jalopy of errors.

So whether someone is prophecy advanced, a world government “elite” or an average Joe and Jane, a part of the message will be comprehensible to any person in TOTAL completion of the WHOLE PROPHECY.


[QUOTE who=”little lamb”]You have put a lot of study and effort into your understanding BJD,

And we have been warned in scripture not to despise prophesying .

So my question to you is this .

What you have learned today , how does it benefit others in our obedience to Jesus ?

What is the main message you want to convey?

I am wary of prophesying , because it has been used by religious men , to stop obedience to Jesus , by saying that command was for that time , or that is not talking to you .

My main message is Jesus mediates a new covenant between God and men

and that religions can be a snare and a trap .


There are many parts to a “body” and even more to the body of the Christ. I know the finalwarning is fronted by the Revelation 14:6-8 open salvation guarantee to all who reject 8th King world government in its final “one hour”.

I do not detract from others own mssion, but I hope they realize it really is a mission and temple judgments principle results in a MISSION FROM GOD and this final one is Revelation 10:5-11.

It happened when Christ judged the temple in the mission aftermath as marked by the apostles record, it happened after 1918 when Bible Students and Jehovah’s witnesses perceived their mission as one, and I will not detract from their truths to toss the baby with the dirty GB bathwater who came in 1976, but by 1969 the first fulfillment of the 2 Revelation cycles for each of the “TWO witnesses” was wrapped up by 1969, that was the peak of JW prophecy enlightenment.

The only problems JWs have is in Daniel 8 and 11 and a couple other debacles that can and will be cleared up as part of Revelation 1:5-8.

So I am reviewing and expanding the updates as well marked by the now covered up 1990 3rd UN event, the JW apostate GB placed UN NGO and they truth all of this post 1990 Fred Franz killed era of JWs is FULLY under the now covered up GLOBALIST KING NORTH system guidance as per the whole Daniel 11:3-35 sequence now fully terminal in JWs leading to the FINAL temple judgment cycle and the final warning it will lead to.

My goal is to now relate the “things which must shortly take place” for the seven trumpets, based on the first cycle principles, as the prophecy REPEATS in final form as JWs are all 1914 to 1969 warmed up to understand the final cycle as they must take up the mission or be rejected.

They just do not know they know it because of the GB KN “stranger’s voice” misleading them into the marked Daniel 11:32a apostasy. God did NOT have all that prophecy written by the prophets for a final cycle guessing game, it is based on the first cycle first witnessing of the TWO witnesses Jehovah’s witnesses truths EVEN IF it has now been GB hijacked by the real King North.

It is still good news, we KNOW the final apostasy prophecy is active among Wildbeast allied GB, and we know it leads to the TIMED JW organization desolation of 3.19 years to amrk and verify Daniel 8:13-14 in the near future because no way has that propehcy EVER fulfilled, it is a one time, timed prophecy, so when people SEE IT they will know this was given beforehand as an indication everything else tied into that first trumpet parallel of the temple judgment will also take place as well, just as assuredly as was the 1150 days desolation minimum of the apostate JW org desolation.


Of course, the goal is for people to realize Christ is coming, and all men alive shall face him globally, and dodging the issue is not going to get anyone saved by him, and the sooner we realize this is THE TRUTH, the sooner we can INDIVIDUALLY PREPARE to be judged by the King.

(Luke 21:35-36) . . .. For it will come in upon all those dwelling upon the face of all the earth. 36 Keep awake, then, all the time making supplication that YOU may succeed in escaping all these things that are destined to occur, and in standing before the Son of man.”

SEEING IS BELIEVING for some people, so seeing these events will clue us all in to GET READY to meet Christ IN PERSON. AND GOD ALMIGHTY TOO!

(Revelation 1:7-8) Christ: Look! He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, and those who pierced him; and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief because of him. Yes, Amen. 8 Jehovah: “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says Jehovah God, “the One who is and who was and who is coming, the Almighty.”

FULL WARNING and HUGE [[GLOBAL SCALE]] EVENTS SHALL PRECEDE to World Government and the arrival of God and Jesus Christ well warned of beforehand, this time, in EXACT DETAIL. (Rev1:1)


Unpaid Volunteers

Now, what do you call an “unpaid volunteer” who is a lawyer, architect, software architect, investment manager or, for example, a construction manager or doctor with a free average $70 an hour professional service fee for free which the WTBTS profits off of the slavery thereof?

For like 30 years and 30 billion in real estate not to mention hedge funds and equities in around the same figure?

Well, when Caesar and the Queen get done with their “WT Society” and “Shadow Board” and GB bosses it will be called Organized Racketeering and WTBTS Money Laundry.


Can anyone else read the writing on the wall yet?


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Lots of words not in the bible but true….the word bible,theocracy.,ect……..each of the father,so,Holy Spirit….each called God…… you believe in Jesus second coming?


Yes. It has to come before 2034. (Rev11:11-12) The last symbolic period before Christ Rearrival is the 3.5 day “death state” of the second of the two witnesses.

I don’t think I mentioned the trinity thing not being in the Bible, btw.

I just avoid beliefs which deny the sacrifice of Jesus Christ or claim he did not come in the regular human flesh as the Trinity tries to do very slyly between the cracks in it.

The Trinity denies the sacrifice of the human being Christ for some kind of Platonic divinity theory of an immortal.

That is the other problem I have with the trinity lie.


World war is engineered. World peace will also be engineered. BUT, world war has been engineered to sell world peace as well. This si why every world war, WW1 and WW2 and Cold WW3, always ends in a UN “peace” pitch.

Now the World War Foursquare coming up, no matter how it may be engineered to deploy (as the Cold War was rather unique) has these features:

1. Already began in the world war on terror, in a unique manner as well. And with a unique name to disguise it from being a planned and engineered world war stage. It was called the “Global War on Terror”

2. The GWOT thing is really a “Christian Crusade” because it is targeting areas of instability (to intensify the instability, btw) which have a “religious” catalyzer in their political social propellant. It CAN have a GWOT Phase II.

A. Now the Cold War phase one 1947-1990, can also become Cold War Phase II as well, and maybe a lot hotter as the GWOT next phase begins as a convergent theater of final world war to secure the Middle East into Anglo-Globalist 100% control and to add in the political “Russian” behemoth to the final world war equation of the future.


3. Now they can engineer this final world war for the final “world peace” to sell world government with the big recovery cycle that follows these world wars for various reasons. But because selling world government and its “666” of required global allegiance is so crucial to the globalists, they MUST have some form of “epic war” to then resolve into that also engineered world peace to cap off the dialectic like a big global orgasm of love and salvation.

So, I would not be fooled, there has already been 3 world war cycles to sell a UN-related “you need us to keep the world peaceful” con pitch en route to total world government, which is of course, more dangerous than the world war the precedes it in depopulation potential that will then be met.

So, keep in mind once they do present that “world peace” to sweeten the world government deal it will be because they then control 100% of the global weapons system. In other words, it is “world peace” ONLY because they have the military system in 100% control.

But, the former battles of civil or national sovereignty will indeed have passed. But with no more “sovereign war” needs, then the global military can transition into its final function:

Controlled Global Depopulation, on a ten-year schedule. Because, even if this next world war killed a billion “Kill Bill” people, they still have several more billion they need to liquidate.

And the nuke, for example, can also meet its true function: Urban Demolition to make way for new cities or environmental restoration.


[quote=”sarah”]A question. If the elites of the Nazi SS were predominantly Jewish and the communist/Bolshevik Revolution was ruled predominantly by Jews (as it was) why would they have gone to war with each other.[/quote]

In the long run they are not fighting each other. They are burning the German and Russian entities to normalize for Britain’s dominance in finance to become 90% of the battle won. Then Anglo-Zion-England can finance everyone against each other, and use US a counter balance while they drained it fully since 1945 to continue the normalization for this next world war, while they beefed up Global NATO now 4 times more war potential than Russia and China combined.

So, wealth control to aid:

1. real military expansion in the globalist NATO sector and black areas of weapons development,

2. and national government mega-debt,

ensure they can transition themselves and “Zion” as the brain center and “Israel” “crown” of world government when this final cycle caps it all off in the US-EU system [natioanl-system] downfall to be safety netted by world government with a quadrillion to spare in hard gold wealth, by that time.

Then they sell 666 world government by huge global hope and recovery, and just used the fake doomsday by a real final mega world war as the global disaster averted by the world government heroes.

It was ALL to sell the 666 World Government con.

he trinity lie.


World war is engineered. World peace will also be engineered. BUT, world war has been engineered to sell world peace as well. This si why every world war, WW1 and WW2 and Cold WW3, always ends in a UN “peace” pitch.

Now the World War Foursquare coming up, no matter how it may be engineered to deploy (as the Cold War was rather unique) has these features:

1. Already began in the world war on terror, in a unique manner as well. And with a unique name to disguise it from being a planned and engineered world war stage. It was called the “Global War on Terror”

2. The GWOT thing is really a “Christian Crusade” because it is targeting areas of instability (to intensify the instability, btw) which have a “religious” catalyzer in their political social propellant. It CAN have a GWOT Phase II.

A. Now the Cold War phase one 1947-1990, can also become Cold War Phase II as well, and maybe a lot hotter as the GWOT next phase begins as a convergent theater of final world war to secure the Middle East into Anglo-Globalist 100% control and to add in the political “Russian” behemoth to the final world war equation of the future.


3. Now they can engineer this final world war for the final “world peace” to sell world government with the big recovery cycle that follows these world wars for various reasons. But because selling world government and its “666” of required global allegiance is so crucial to the globalists, they MUST have some form of “epic war” to then resolve into that also engineered world peace to cap off the dialectic like a big global orgasm of love and salvation.

So, I would not be fooled, there has already been 3 world war cycles to sell a UN-related “you need us to keep the world peaceful” con pitch en route to total world government, which is of course, more dangerous than the world war the precedes it in depopulation potential that will then be met.

So, keep in mind once they do present that “world peace” to sweeten the world government deal it will be because they then control 100% of the global weapons system. In other words, it is “world peace” ONLY because they have the military system in 100% control.

But, the former battles of civil or national sovereignty will indeed have passed. But with no more “sovereign war” needs, then the global military can transition into its final function:

Controlled Global Depopulation, on a ten-year schedule. Because, even if this next world war killed a billion “Kill Bill” people, they still have several more billion they need to liquidate.

And the nuke, for example, can also meet its true function: Urban Demolition to make way for new cities or environmental restoration.



We can’t entrust you Aneirin, you are drunk with GB sins, thus blind to modern realities of God’s Purpose.

[QUOTE who=”Aneirin”]<quoted text>

That is talking about the new system during the 1000 year rule of Christ. The water is the knowledge of Jehovah, the enormous teaching program that will be on-going during the Millennial rule.

Some people will respond to the teaching and gain ever lasting life but others will reject the teaching and be turned to salt – everlasting cutting off.

It has nothing to do with resurrecting animals. Christ’s sacrifice does NOT cover animals.


Yes, but their blood covered Israel as in LAMB blood, and bulls and rams. Obviously, they do not need Christ’s blood to cover them, they were covering you!

Secondly, because they need no sacrifice to cover for them as stated, God bought their blood to cover polluted human blood, and this will have benefit to them in Earth Paradise, for the animals are plainly in Ecclesiastes 3 Sheol, the “one place”, the “same eventuality” as human beings now in Adamic death have, which spread into all creations placing more guilt on human beings:

(Ecclesiastes 3:18-21) . . .I, even I, have said in my heart with regard to the sons of mankind that the [true] God is going to select them, that they may see that they themselves are beasts. 19 For there is an eventuality as respects the sons of mankind and an eventuality as respects the beast, and they have the SAME EVENTUALITY. As the one dies, so the other dies; and they all have but one spirit, so that there is no superiority of the man over the beast, for everything is vanity. 20 All are going to ONE PLACE. They have all come to be from the dust, and they are all returning to the dust.

So humans and animals share the same Hades destination and the same life eventuality overall, clear as day in that divine description above. Thus, when Solomon asked this question, he could not answer it because he did not know Jesus Christ changed the “same eventuality” of human beings and Christ has the keys not just of “Hades” but also of “Death” in its whole Hebrews 2:14 meaning:

21 Who is there knowing the spirit of the sons of mankind, whether it is ascending upward; and the spirit of the beast, whether it is descending downward to the earth?

Thus, animals are in the same place as dead humans and they have the same eventual “eventuality” and now the “eventuality” remains the same but it is now life by the life and sacrifice of Christ. Animals were a sacrifice to cover human sins, they need no coverage of Jesus Christ because they are already good with God, but in the cascading life blessing of Genesis 1:26-28 they came under hierarchical curse of death being under Adam and the woman in that total global blessing turned curse, and they have preceding blessings of God in Genesis 1 which have to be renewed under Christ.

It is human doubt that tries to keep the creation dead for Satan’s illusion. (Rev22:1-5)


Immortal Human Life Final Upgrade

The knowledge that brings human beings and their then perfect life effect on the animals and all creation to the eventual originally purposed eternal life of God is the truth of the realities of the global Eden 2.0. So it is knowledge of then global REALITIES.

Because to end Armageddon the “holy city” has “come down from heaven” in its symbolic and global reality of accessibility, by this time humans are who can access that now “descended” “city of God”:

(Revelation 22:12-16) . . .“‘Look! I am coming quickly, and the reward I give is with me, to render to each one as his work is. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.

14 Happy are those who wash their robes, that the authority [to go] to the trees of life may be theirs and that they may gain entrance into the city by its gates. 15 Outside are the dogs and those who practice spiritism and the fornicators and the murderers and the idolaters and everyone liking and carrying on a lie.’ 16 “‘I, Jesus, sent my angel to bear witness to YOU people of these things for the congregations. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright morning star.’”

Unlike the Revelation 6:9-11 “killed number” of anointed who are given NEW “robes” symbolic of new immortal lives, the human beings must WASH THEIR ROBES as did the “great crowd” but this is globally for those willing to obey God, and thus their EXISTING LIVES AND Hebrews 10:10 “bodies” are sanctified for human perfection based on the “Last Adam”.

Because Adam and Eve had eternal life as a default by continued obedience to God, when they sinned the Tree of IMMORTALITY was barred from them. But because “Last Adam” has conquered the initial temptations of Satan, Jesus Christ has partaken of the Tree of Immortality in the “paradise of God” not of this world, but which Tree of Immortality comes down with that “holy city” as human beings can access it by its “gates” as the 1000 Year Reign of Christ completes.

Thus, human already enjoying eternal life, as Adam and Eve used to be doing, can then access a tree beyond the Revelation 22:1-3 “trees” as they can also achieve what Adam and Eve were barred from if they defeat all of Satan’s temptations to also access Immortal Human Life. Since humans can go beyond eternal life, the whole planetary life form must be upgraded with Christ Heb7 “indestructible life”. Animals do not have to worry about immortality because immortals in all forms will be the caretaker for God as per Genesis 1:26-28 renewed “blessing” of Psalm 133.

So, we need not stay stalled with the filthy and blood guilty GB at this juncture in God’s purpose to extricate them devils from the temple. (Dan8:13-14), and then issue the final warning of th arrival of the one who shall do all these things, as the Bible never has stated animals get no restoration as part of the Matthew 19:28 CREATION in the Re-Generation. But in Ezekiel 47, Romans 8:18-22 and Isaiah 34:14-16 it states they are also restored as the death losses of Eden’s sin are “gathered” in “ALL THINGS ON EARTH” in Christ who is not negligent as JWs are to pick and choose even among humans who and what they think will be saved.


Future Proof in JW Desolations of Daniel 8:13-14

GBer tainted Jehovah’s witnesses (Rev8:10-11) are the last people we can entrust with final pronouncements of the Christ arrival final and its Rev10:5-11 wave of truths to converge into the final warning to emerge from the coming horrendously desolating temple judgment which has to demolish apostate JW org to ignite Rev8:1-8 and Daniel 8:13-14 to get rid of the devils at Beth Hell and the GB, so we need not stay stalled with the filthy and blood guilty GB at this juncture in God’s purpose to extricate them devils from the temple. (Dan8:13-14)

In fact, as per Revelation 2:2 we need to test the Liar GB, find them liars publicly, doubt them, and expose them as the final signal apostasy to precede the catastrophic judgment of the JW ministry by their own mouth, first, then recovery shall come over the GB’s dead body en route to Gehenna from where they came. (2Thess2:1-4,9 Zech3:1-3; Dan11:32a; Dan8:12; Dan11:30-35,41)


1. GB takes the coup, 1976, axes Ray Franz

2. 1990 they cover up 3rd UN event of Daniel 11:31b, kill Fred Franz 1992 and join the Wildbeast as UN NGO and give JWs a lame excuse that sleeping JWs agree is a noble reason.

3. No Ray Franz to carry the Franz torch of prophecy eplanation.

4. As a distraction they release the 33 chapter 700 page “Organization” book to keep JWs not wondering about UN 1990.

5. In 1999 they seal the concrete of the then Daniel 8 and 11 cover up and lie with the 1999 Pay [No] Attention to Daniel’s Prophecy book, released just long enough to “answer” any questions.

6. Now that have JWs in a cover up and heavy sins so they can crash the JW org as apostate with God’s approval on the matter, even Daniel 8:13-14 requirement

Its a 666 on JWs; Isa66:6 (Dan8:12; Dan11:32a)

7. Then as the final cycle of prophecy to forecast global events produces a tribulation defining global “sword stroke” world war to eventually heal into world government which would require a divine warning for the arrival of the Lion Christ whose sovereign territory they will officially enter and thus trigger the Christ, they just sell that zenith active Dan11:41-43, Rev13, Reb8-11, Rev16 total prophecy to JWs as simply “it is the end of the world brothers, just abandon your stuff to the state and head to the Bunkers of Salvation.

8. Instead they hi-jack JWs, send as many they can to prison, provide a global signal, and now the final warning of Revelation 10:5-11 is what bamboozled JWs will have to then carry out, go figure.

God will then Dan8:14, Zech3:4-8 recover JWs from the Zech3:2 bonfire, and they will have to relate all that written in the above as chapter 1 of the final warning.

So this is not the last you will hear of these things.


[quote=”Gnostic Bishop”]Time will tell.

I do agree that the world is run by our oligarch owners.

They are not stupid enough to go with nuclear weapons.


Well, not all of them. They have already popped off 3000 and the world is relatively OK still. But those were in controlled contexts. They could say nuke New York, start world war, then use a few more to finish off the Middle East resistance as the NATO out Islam door to door globally to get them other “semites” in the Arabs as the whipping boy.

Then they end the world war for the world government big “world peace” rally, having hoaxed doomsday the minute even one nuke went off because they have people thinking nuke=instant end. But it doesn’t.

Now under world government they can use the nuke in world peace conditions (Dan8:25b), and demolish old cities for environmental rehab as Agenda 21 goes into international law enforced.

With scalar wave and anti-matter weapons now available, the nuke is old news and more a glorified urban bulldozer than a weapon anyways and demoliton of urban structures is what they went in to Hiroshima and Nagasaki to research to see how well their Atomic Bulldozer had done on test run 1.

The goal is the global sale of 666 World Government to everyone. Using a big scare to resolve into big global hope is how they sell the 666 to everyone. They do not sell world government by use of misery and war (Matt24:6), but by hope and peace. (1Thess5:1-3)

They are easy to predict now even without prophecy. In time they will breech the sovereign line in that sand and trigger the mightiest warrior of them all, and he aint a human, he is the Archangel upgraded to King of the Star Temple. aka Christ.

Poor guys, some could say a prayer for Global NATO and world government, but it won’t help them in their Dan11:45 “end”.

They will have crossed the line once they make that final world government world peace mantra official. Since this takes about 15 more years, we can all watch the steps to their eternal disaster, because they shall heed no warning.

But anyone can surrender to the new King and Super Government and be saved. (Rev14:6-8) Remember that, 666 world government will NOT be the only choice the world will have.

Choose the REAL King not them mud crapping human so-called “elites”, they are not alive.

[quote=”Holybeast”]For those with the knowledge . if isalm is the pale horse thean who are the rest????????[/quote]

They aren’t. The are “Semites II” to be exterminated as a global religion as stage 1 of the world war resolution to resolve into the “world peace” of 666 world government. They are just the religious puppet for the world war which also has its Russia “bad guy” military-political component.

Islam does not produce weapons for profit, they are misled by their Satanist clerics just like Christendom, but they buy all their nice killing gear from Western and Russian arms sales. So, they can be “turned off” very quickly when need be. No, it will not be pretty, but the extermination will end up far worse than that of the Euro-Jewish in WW2, because the removal of Islam (and eventually all global corporate religions, all religions) will aid the “WORLD PEACE EFFECT” which is the global hope condition required in order for the most people to accept 666 WORLD GOVERNMENT.

Believe it or not Islam can be exterminated by Global NATO, and the Middle East can indeed fall under 100% Global NATO control as headed by the Arab Satanist factions who now run Islam just as comprehensively as the Anglo faction runs Christendom, and the “Jewish” faction of Satanist elites” run Judaism to aid the deposition of all corporate religion from within.

You can use the seven trumpets and plagues a roughly parallel to track this. But honestly we no longer need prophecy to know what these guys are up to and the dialectic they must use in global form to sell their 666 world government eventual catastrophe. This will take about 15 more years to see complete world government.

Choose the other Kingdom come that time. (Rev14:6-8)


Yes, we still need to watch for Matthew 24:15 principle and tuned “discernment”. I say this because some religions end up being more than sheep, they want to be shepherds and hence, please read Zechariah 11.

They want people to think of them as Apostles, like the last real divine shepherds of 1st Century. (Read Rev2:2)

So, we have to be free to speak our mind among the sheep viewing ourselves as just a sheep. We don’t need “shepherd censors” of cover ups and deceptions. The first easy temptation is the abuse of the hierarchy of authority which can end up crystallizing into the “organization’s” corporate control center, because they do want to watch the “money box”.

All these things can be harmless, but in most cases they develop evil by love of money and power and so on. We don’t want to be like JWs and deny the lawlessness of the leaders, the Jews did that as well, look what it got them in 70 CE.

And it has an end goal, because once something devolves into God’s disapproval Satan becomes the real shepherd.

The goal is that related to the “disgusting thing” Matthew 24:15’s foregleam, to sell the sheep the post world war “world government” as if the wild beast “disgusting thing” is from God.

All these prophecies must have a final climax form of convergent fulfillment into world government that triggers Christ arrival, seen by all, plain as day, one step at a time.

I tell you this hoping to be a free speaking sheep within an organizational context that will end up doing this so that no sheep has to be fooled by “shepherds” to think God would use a human group of politicians, warlords and central bankers as part of his Kingdom under Christ.

No, the Kingdom of Christ is 100% NON-HUMAN, “not from this source” as Christ stated. Wait for the REAL THING, it is for God, under King Christ, perfect and of immortal power and all eternities, NOT some UN mud-man wannabee lie.

Thus, if we are in a flock associated with a larger global sheep “ecology” that can be influenced by “organizational” leaders, as per Zechariah 11 we MUST keep OUR OWN guard AT ALL TIMES, so that we do not get instead misled by compromised leaders into the wolves den.

There are already bad signs in JWs and other Christian leaderships leaning to the BTG wild beast collusion to help them sell 666 world government as if “Jehovah’s world government”. When you hear that, do not do it, stay under God and Christ.

Now at this time these here statements may just seem crazy. But, come world war “sword stroke” and its FAKE DOOMSDAY to resolve into that Revelation 13:3 foretold global “healing” (Isa41:1), these words will not seem that far fetched in case they do now.

It is just an advanced tip. For FUTURE PROOF, it ALL STARTS with the global attempted deposition of the JW org as Daniel 8:13-14 in the near future and its is going to get big attention.

That Daniel 8:14 takes a few years to run its Zech3:1-5 course, but when you see that, know the rest of the forecast of prophecy will also unfold but over enough time so many can be warned using the JW org downfall as the credible temple judgment benchmark. (Rev10:5-11 will eventually manifest and it will be God backed so it will go global to some degree for the important things it will be warning of.)

At this time or any time I cannot tell people what to think, I can suggest what to consider now and later though as a tip, as even Christ said “let the reader USE discernment” at Matthew 24:15.

Just concentrate on discernment, it is a great weapon against deception.

As with dulled JWs, we can see what happens when discernment and honesty are not used. We do not want to be attached to “religion” or “organization” as if divine but attached to Christ to God, period, who are divine.

As per Rev14:12 it is the “FAITH of Jesus Christ” we are in, REGARDLESS of the attempted religious fences they use to divide sheep to try to conquer us.

But things have to get more Rev8-11 serious in time, so we need to stay ready. And stay focused on the main goal of Christ to rule and recover this world. (Dan2:31-45; Ps2; Matt6:10; 1John2:2)

But as Elishah said “there are more with us than there are with them”. (1Kings6:15-17)

As we step forward, step by prophecy step, it will get very clear as we proceed over these last 15 years or so. World government and its 1Thess5:1-3 “world peace” is what triggers the Christ counter-sovereign arrival, NOT the world war that precedes it as per Matthew24:6, Luke21:9.

The final warning has a very simple premise and an open salvation fronting message of Rev14:6-8; It will manifest in time, fully, even before world government completion as this time it has to manifest beforehand, or of course, it would be too late.

[QUOTE who=”jwtotruth”]I wouldnt rule out the potential for the UN to be used as a fully soverign world government.

For American Conservativeism / Republicanism / right wing politics, the United States independent soverignty is essential.

until the enemy, the antichrist appears, American patriots will defend US soverignty in the midst of growing globalization involving the UN and world global elite.


The UN is the “Executive Branch” for the globalist politician puppet show, same as the nation-state model, but global.

2. Then there is the Daniel 11:42-43 Financial and Wealth control sector of King North World Government.

3. Then there is the military “Mount Magedon” aspect of Rev16:13-16 and Joel 3:9-12.

The “two-horned wild beast” ANlgo-American GLOBALIST ELITE system runs ALL OF THIS by their global corporate network where you get the Bildergerg group, Fed, TLC, CFR, RIIA, COR, etc. THAT is the real “brain center” of Satanic control of world government, as Satan has a “head” in all the sub-systems of world government.

8th King World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3; Dan12:11), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

As we take the global steps there over the next 15 years or so, it will get clearer and clearer and clearer and clearer and clearer this is the exact truth of the final prophecy progression.

For example, the three woes with the last three trumpets, 5-6-7 are of the messages in the final warning, true, but we have 3 big global government changes to mark all of those woes, so we can get the clear message:

Woe 1, Trumpet 5: 7th King nation-state system collapse for 8th King rise

Woe 2, Trumpet 6: World Government Scarlet Wildbeast 8th King and King North, King Fierce in full power “one hour” of Rev17:12;

Woe 3 Trumpet 7: The Kingdom of Christ global conquest.

Wham, Bam, Thank you Son of Man

It is Haggai 2:7 final fulfillment:

(Haggai 2:7-8) . . .“‘And I will rock all the nations, and the desirable things of all the nations must come in; and I will fill this house with glory,’ Jehovah of armies has said. 8 “‘The silver is mine, and the gold is mine,’ is the utterance of Jehovah of armies, [world government can go straight to the lake of fire].


[QUOTE who=”GreatSouthbay4040″]<quoted text> Jesus stated that no one lnows the time when the son of man will return.

All the rest is mere speculation on your part.


No, we have prophecy it has the year and month, NOT the day and hour.

In time you will get clued in when the first step maniefsts as I described form the prophecy, or else yes, I would be guessing.

God’s prophecy is here for a good reason:

(Revelation 1:1) . . .A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place.. . .

If when the credible messenger comes and you don’t accept the “things which must take place” from prophecy, then you are not a slave of Christ.

If you are a slave of Christ, in time, you will also clearly know and must speak the “things which must shortly take place” and they are step by step described in prophecy.

God is taking his gauged time to save more people by the ever clearer warning it shall provide, in time.

As we step forward, step by prophecy step, it will get very clear as we proceed over these last 15 years or so. World government and its 1Thess5:1-3 “world peace” is what triggers the Christ counter-sovereign arrival, NOT the world war that precedes it as per Matthew24:6, Luke21:9.

The final warning has a very simple premise and an open salvation fronting message of Rev14:6-8; It will manifest in time, fully, even before world government completion as this time it has to manifest beforehand, or of course, it would be too late.

The first step is Daniel 8:13-14. AFTER you SEE that timing and events, you will then start to catch on the REST of this forecast is just as accurate as that first step description of the JW org desolations as Daniel 11:41, in the Daniel 11:42-43 global wealth coup of the nation-state context.

There is time, you will eventually have to see this, that is if you really want to be a “slave of Christ” in all it entails.


[QUOTE who=”little lamb”]<quoted text>

yes it is true …and we are all aware that if we dared question something by the organization , we were told ‘ are you contradicting THE ANOINTED ” [ meaning Christ ] in America,


Well when it is backed soon anointed will have a collective authority, but for good purpose of final warning. BUT this GB are the deadly MOL, they do it to peak the blasphemy.

To God there is nothing worse than the anointed of Satan in his house acting like apostles, as happened in 33CE as well, and now it repeats in JWs.

There will be a judgment.

And I swear to God it will be HUGE, it will be Daniel 8:13-14 as paralell first trumpet event as Rev8-11 BEGINS, well before “the end”.

God has to destroy the GB, then the authority of anointed returns as a whole for final warning, where and how I cannot say, but I actually hope it comes back up in the JW ministry with TOTAL APOLOGY AND DISCLOSURE to aid the final warning.

Now anointed do have authority as individuals as long as we stay in God’s will, but it can never be for personal gain and glory just to preach the core Christ atonement meaning and then it goes into whatever extra things the person knows.

The recovery coming aided by Destroyer Angel of the Covenant is a final required collective, even calling down fire on any who try to form an obstacle against the final warning, it will be flattened as per Zech4:6-9.

When it is completed in full 1260 days finality, then they can depose it to fulfill Daniel 12:11 paralell Rev11:7-10.

By then it is too late, the anointed body will be sealed completely, then Christ arrives to make it all official and that authority will NEVER pass away under King Christ, but it is perfected into immortal spirit form as specified in the Bible to take over this planet and the entire demon infested universe, purging them to abyss as well.

That is why we have to treat it with respect, anyone who tries to hijack in and glory up like another GB stunt, will end up rejected, God is done with such grand-standing claiming to be “anointed”.

God will make a clear example of the GB Clowns. (Isa66:6)


[QUOTE who=”happyand free”]<quoted text>
Going to people’s homes on Christmas or Thanksgiving is lack of respect for others. They have a holiday to spend time with family, probably BUSY cooking and they wouldn’t be able to really pay attention to what you are saying, so why go? Let the people have some peace when they have a holiday. I always hated bothering people when I was a teen but was made to go in service on those days.

I don’t preach in those contexts like Paul I eat like anyone else. I just do not observe Satan’s Nimrod meaning, it is just another day, but I don’t scurry off like most JWs.

Unlike most JWs I could care less eating a birthday cake or candy canes, but that was me it was just good junk food, but I did not push my strong conscience on the weaker ones, I did it for me as Paul said he did too.

When in Rome I might as well be like a Roman, because in general they were not that bad, I just don’t worship the demons they do, or do things contrary to law or God’s law. But if they want to do a Christmas BBQ, I’ll watch the steaks, no problem, I know in me it is just another day so what if they want to invite me over for dinner? They observe the birth of Satan’s King Nimrod, not me, and most don’t even know about the Nimrod thing.

I tend to see it as all God’s stuff anyways, can’t let a good Turkey go to waste.

But I don’t do the carrols and all that bull, I slip out early. I jst go undercover overall, they get to hear me on the days in between. No point harping on Xmas after say the 100th time, they got the warning long ago.

But that is me, some JWs might have a problem with it, but they aren’t my God either, they can mind their own business rather than play GB busy bodies, because I have hammered a couple JWs as well, to the point I had to consider them UN NGO wildbeast apostates and now I no longer associate with JWs, they have gone bad by paying too much attention to everyone else’s supposed sins whilst they puff a big fat UN Cigar in public.

But I don’t shun them, they may shun me, but I told them the UN NGO is a big JW 666. I have nothing to worry about from a sinner JW or their evil GB Nimrods.

[quote=”Gnostic Bishop”]The world is not ready for a new King.
Scholars do indicate that the world actually wants to become one but I do not think we are close yet.

“With scalar wave and anti-matter weapons now available,”

Really? What do you base that on?


You are right it takes about 15 more years, ball park, to fully implement a total world government, etc, etc.

Some like to say technology is “30 years ahead” of what is being described by the most far “out there” speculators. But in reality it is exponential, in 15 years they will be FIVE HUNDRED YEARS ahead of modern times; it is the age which Ray Kurzweil called “The Age of Spiritual Machines”.

Now they are atleast 100 years+ ahead of the craziest imaginings. (The time tarvel stuff, btw, is not possible and I am not talking fantasy but technology, especially computer (quantum), weapons and genetic.)

So what are they really up to?

Well, it has to do with all this syrupy romantic “Artificial Intelligence” talk they have out there a buzzing now. It is all cloaking what the “spirit” is in those “machines”.

Now most think of the innocuous hopeful musings of “The Singularity” when they think of these ideas of AI day dreaming. But the darker reality is a Synthetic Satan and the Demons “Spiritual Machine” is what is to be completed and installed in a parallel connectivity with the final Global Energy Weapons Network, way worse than any “Terminator” or “Ava”, it is actually Ex Satanica which human technology is being led to aid the creation and implementation of, hence Ezekiel 38:7’s fullest meaning of allowing Satan to “guard” the final abomination.

But there is more potential than just trying to repel Christ from Earth’s atmospheres in Ezekiel 38:7.

Hence the severity of Ezekiel 38:7 and the Matthew 24:21-22 context it manifests in is actually unimaginable. But it is also a good reason why the Universal Super King arrives to “cut short” those days and incarcerate Satan and his crew, but Rev14:17-20 is aided by AI which models enough of Satan’s Brain to attempt a global destruction with technologies actually 1000 years ahead of our time (by that time), that is what Satan is capable of trying to bring to fruition, but only a percentage of it will be unleashed on Earth and only for a limited time within that final “one hour” of Rev17:12.(What puts this all “ahead of time” is angelic technology tutoring only delayed by mud-man minds.)

Satan’s final plan for the elites is to destroy them too, of course, they were just tools to help enable this Synthetic Satan System. The global environmental agenda was a version of Satanic “truth” he used to get them thinking of a depopulation program and global technology system EMERGENCY, which will aid their own destruction in the end. What they cannot imagine, I guess, is Satan hi-jacking that quantum computing system to also destroy them before he goes to abyss.

“AI” is actually Artificial Angelic Intelligence in reality, the deployment of the Satan Software into palnet Earth’s “digital” controlled systems, and the Synthetic Satan Brain to attempt the final global control agenda then in his hands 100%.

Obviously, if they think they can model human intelligence systems, angels who are capable of some of this technology have to be involved, and in theory they can build a bigger “brain” than just a human artificial brain. And they can plug it into the “body” of a global weapons matrix, which will then be truly global like that “Sky Net” notion, but what it empowers is way way worse than a “Terminator” it is the unleshing of demon powers into the global weapons system, and in that “movie”, if it was allowed to complete, most humans would not make it, it is a revived Genesis 6 attempt, so they would keep some humans for fun and sex.

All it requires is more direct angelic assistance and a little more time, and I mean the demon side of the angel equation, to get to this obviously logical conclusions.

Thus, God is not the one purposing to “Kill Bill” kill billions of people, it is the elites, and by that agenda they empowered their own destruction because God will spare a “great crowd” of human eye witnesses for posterity of these mind blowing events, but he will give the elites to Satan. They have no real future in Satanic Service.

So choose the winning Kingdom come Revelation 14:6-8 time if you can get that far, which you can if you keep your nerve and head and don’t get spooked by the global collapse whose purpose is a fake “doomsday” to recover into the world government final period. And obviouly, the things I described under world government “world peace” cover, will be more dangerous than the world war that led to it.

Now if anyone found this disturbing, it is much worse than I can describe IN REALITIES coming. That is why anyone can choose the King Jesus Christ, and religions are not necessary but rather an evil enemy engineered by Satan. At that time, if you are there, it will be one on one, YOU and the most powerful created being in all existence, and thank God he is your friend, and he wants to not just save you at that time of Rev14:6-8 and now, but he wants you to live forever and piss on the ashes of Satan and the so-called “Illuminati” with your Eternal Dog who will have eaten the Illuminati quite literally.

The final message is that open salvation GUARANTEE of Revelation 14:6-8. You need no “religion”, it is ALL BUNK, and what do you have to lose making that choice anyway?


What you have to gain is the perfected world, eternal happiness and eternal life.

ANYONE cab be saved, on the spot, by making that Rev14:6-7 choice REAL any time.

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Do you also believe that vaccination has its origin from God’s opponent..?

What about coagulated blood, do you consider it as blood or not and are you a vagan or vegetarian..?

Then tell us where we can read in the scriptures that it is Gods opponent which is responsible for medical care, in order to sustain lives and have you never consulted a doctor, get any subscription,vaccination or surgery.

Members of Christian Science.. are calling for their clergymen when e.g. a boy was suffering from diabetes and his mother rejected medical care and unfortunately die when the pastor was rambling prayers.

Was the pastor rambling prayers to this ruler of the world since the boy passed away..?



You are generalizing too much; Satan does rule this world, but human ignoarnce is plenty, but God hears all prayers that are diercted to him, as long as they are in his will; not saying this is not in his will, but death is not something God always allows avoidnce of, case in point Stephen and Christ and so on.

As per Matthew 24:15 the reader has to use their own discernment.

Blood is the basis of Christ’s sacrifice and atonement of mankind for a very good reason.

Now to put off one’s life now for the future one in Christ, at times, is quite a trial which can result in death for those who “carry” their “torture stake”.

Obeying God regardless of the cost can be dangerous to your life. Not always, just sometimes.

But the divine commandments are left to human conscience ultimately, it should not be enforced by a religious Supreme Court such as the one the Governing Body of Puppets act within to drag JWs into heavier sins than the ones they seem to be trying to avert. (Dan11:32a)

Case in point, JWs now go door to door puffing The Wildbeast UN NGO Ceegar, and think nothing of it.

Now how lost can one be with a 666 Cigar in global view hanging in your their mouth,stinking of GB Whiskies, while they boot people for smoking and other petty “gnat straining” offenses, and that while providing escape for KNOWN child rapists in their midst and the whole world is watching?

So now you can know why Daniel 8:13-14 will be so severe on JW org when the Judgment of God comes on JWs, 1Pet4:15-17 FIRST, for these many horrendous crimes now being condoned and cover up by modern JWs.


In the meantime, you too have to avoid 666 if you do not want that blood of Christ blotted out in your behalf. But, that is up to your conscience. (Rev13:15-18 come world government, also Rev14:9-11)

You have a right to your opinions, but chances are very great much more is going on in the eyes of God, than in men always trying to live life now, and not doing what it necessary to live life later in Christ. Many men must fail by such attitude.

As Satan said about Job, “skin in behalf of skin” and I can get anyone to break by the threat of Death. So, to some people worshiping God ends when their lives are endangered, or when their perrs ridicule them even.

But to Christ DEATH was the zenith of his worship of God when he DIED to provide his BLOOD for human atonement.

To becoem like Christ we have to actually try to BE like him. Think about it, no actors need apply.

No one, not God or Christ or the Bible said it would be easy to conquer Satan and his tests, only that by faith in the BLOOD of Christ it is POSSIBLE, and guaranteed for those who keep the future life in Christ as the TRUE PRIORITY of their lives.


Unfortunately to the churches dying for bankers in wars of politicians is more advisable, and riding the UN 666 beast and cutting corners in the worship of God is their way of life as JWs fully exposed since before 1919 as IBSA.

So why listen to what church folk have to say, they are lost, if they are just hypocruite actors? Right?

But, now JWs have gotten lost too, it is just the manner of Adamic flesh that nothing will remain good until Christ arrives, but the final warnign period is short enough to ensure the second of the “w=two witnesses” anointed group can maintain at least the Isaiah 38 15 years in approval as aided by God to get that final open salvation message out.

Now in spite of church sins, IF an individual keeps the 666 OFF themselves, they WILL be saved. God will destroy Babylon the Great and its Chrisetndom daughter to aid people’s escape from that prison for as in all times past, some of God’s “my people” simply do not recognize or obey the call to get out of ALL RELIGION as Rev18:4 and for JWs Matthew 24:15, and the WTBTS UN NGO “disgustign thing” red flag.

You and I are to be INDIVIDUALLY judged by Christ for God on the basis of FAITH and obedience to the best of our ability, not by a “religious label”.

So, you are just as welcome asanyone else to make the positve decision now and at Revelation 14:6-7 time to worship God, and have faith in Christ and both of them.


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How in the whole world can you state and forward your redicules ideas about others faith and what they believe, celebrate or not, it seems that you are obsessed with and have got Satan on your linses, totally unable to be selective in question of others, their faith, religion and doctrines.

Your ideas and mind seems also obsessed with false predictions, like your former teachers and indoctrinators which place you in the same group as your former idols, the self elected, deluded and scrutiny men in the dark Watchtower and their successors the Governing Busy Buddies beind the Watchtower Society.

Unfortunately your eyes seems to be wide open like a blind and as Jesus states when a blind leads a blind they both fall in the same ditch..(huh)

St. Vitus,

As for the skeptics in Noah’s Day you will not believe or be sheep-like even when the rains start splashing in your face.

I gave a reasonable respectful but truthful explanation but you are not reasonable only hoping JWs are wrong to excuse your own errors which JWs were explaining publicly to set you on the path of resistance.

Jehovah’s witnesses only need a judgment, recovery and holy spirit aided recognition of the final mission in the Revelation 10:11 command of God which will be for them, when they are Daniel 8:13-14 ready. (3.19 years of desolation “evening” begins the recovery)

Unlike GB purposeful false prophecies since 1975, the final prophecy forecast given here is accurate, one step at a time of the seven trumpets to Christ arrival, and in the future, so you cannot say now whether they are true or false forecasts.

1. Once JW org goes down as timed and specified in Daniel 8:13-14 mostly for the UN NGO and GB “disgusting things” both at Daniel 11:30-35, you can bet your life the rest of the forecast will unfold from that signal eevnt designed to get your’s and JW complete attention.

JWs will become completely attentive once the GB is destroyed by God (Isa66:6; Matt22:1-14), you, on the other hand, we have no idea but it is not looking too good for you is my opinion, liar religions have dome their job on you.

Like JWs I can review the books and books of church aided crimes to know you are a fraud if you go around truying to play apologist for criminal Christendom’s ideas, just like you know JWs have become frauds by similar lawless record gone global and their own cover up damage control job.

But, JWs have hope of Zech3:1-8 recovery with Daniel 8:13-14 Temple Judgment events, your house was divinely totally condemned as of 1919 forward, there is no hope for Wildbeast Harlot Christendom. Jehovah’s witnesses have the approved truth from 1914-1969. The couple errors they have now will be whisked away by the Rev9 Destroyer.

I am not judging other’s FAITH, like you, I am making an analysis of their lawless religion. You lack clear logical skills, so none of this will probably make any sense to your brain “squirming like a toad”. But at least you have about the weakest arguments except for maybe RBR, you are sort of luikewarm amnyways and you ride a high horse with JWs.


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Michael is one of the CHEIF PRINCES(plural) meaning there is others……where in scripture Michael is called not a mighty God….but mighty God… Jesus was…….Jehovah is mighty God also….john 1:1
In the beginning was Michael and Michael was with God, and Michael was God/god… this a true saying?….was the other princes god/Gods too[/QUOTE]

He is number one, Archangel ancient and top Prince of them all, really the Prince of princes. It does not matter of the 12 angelic “star” orders in the Rev12 woman’s crown composed of 12 other chief angels, Michael is the crown itself. All of them angelic orders come from Michael and there are more than just Seraphs and Cherubs. Not that angelic type is the basis of the 12 orders but that the Bible gives a limited picture, though complete for initial purposes.

It is the crown of the angelic rulership administrative structure which Michael heads, though of “woman” form as subservient to God. God uses 12’s for these kinds of admins like Israel’s national patriarchal structure headships.

At that time of easy Jew idol worship it was advisable to not let them know Michael is the Chief Prince, or true to form they would have worshiped him just as trinitarian’s do to the son for more idolatries. It took until Daniel to even reveal his great name with that of Gabriel.

Michael’s Archangel position was revealed by Jude who also had a couple other one place only secret revelations in that book, such as the prophecy of Enoch, the first in his own right. Archangel should be capitalized since there is only one Archangel.

The trinity is not the basis of the final warnign nor is continued attempts to keep it alive of any value for the final proclamation of Rev10:5-11. It is done, just a matter of world government completion then Christ arrives and all things are then taught in exact form forevermore, the Trinity will be erased.


[QUOTE who=”Icaris”]Ba’laam The son of Be’or was sent by the king of Mo’ab to bring a Curse upon the sons of Israel. Jehovah intervened and caused him to utter a blessing upon the sons of Israel instead.

Question: What power did Ba’laam have to possible bring a curse by mere uttering of words towards the sons of Israel? If he had no power at all….Why did Jehovah feel the need to intervene to cause him to utter blessings instead?

Just a thought that crossed my mind as I contemplated my bible reading. Thanks guys.[/QUOTE]

You answered your own question. The Curse depends on who forms it and deploys it. It can be nothing, or it can be whatever it is formed asrequest to carry out.

A Curse has to be backed by super human powers from God or Satan.

Those who perform curses, such as the “two witnesses” “calling down fire” upon final warning obstacles, will be only as powerful as their background backer.

If Destroyer is behind a curse and God approves of it, even powerful witches and warlocks can be killed or whatever, because Destroyer is far stronger than the best the have in the Devil.

Destroyer is so strong he will smash Satan’s actual angelic skull. THAT is who you want backing your curses in case you may need to pronounce one after the general route of authority to do so is verified and request made to do so is complete.

For example, the “fire of the altar” to which those prayers of Revelation 8:1-5 are combined are in part curses on the Governing Body of Apostasy among Jehovah’s witnesses now destroying the ministry.

Just wait and see what Destroyer does to the GB as the 3.19 year point in Daniel 8:13-14,26 is met to allow Revelation 9 to be reached.

Then you will know soem Curses are very eral and as powerful as the Destroyer if need be, but this one is to empower the final warning guaranteed window for final 1260 day eventual deployment. The fire of Rev8 is destructive true, but it is for “altar” backed purifications as per Zechariah 3:2 parallel event.

The GB will NOT make it out of that fire. (Isa31:8-9; Rev8:9; Hos1:4-7; Isa66:6; Matt22:1-14)

When you see a list of GB hells bells as long as that partial list, you know this is no human curse alone but that of Michael himself, on the GB and the rest of them globalist intel agents now crawling all over the JW org globally.

You WILL know when the GB is turned to a heap of smoking Destroyer BBQ meet and fine ash. They will need WD40 and a snow shovel to scoop up what is left and throw it in the dumpster fromn where the GB crawled.

Yes, curse them bastards, for that is what they are, Criminal Sons of the Viper himself, seed of satan among JWs.

They should get ready to eat some fire from The Destroyer Abaddon, to get the ball rolling. He is out for both Jew and Greeks who are in the temple to try to wreak havoc as per Daniel 11:32a, Dan8:12 and Zech3:1-3, 2Thess2:9.


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It seem like that is the prince Michael who is one of the foremost princes! He stands up in support of his king. Most likely he is the security chief at Jesus coronation (That does seem to be his role as protector) and he show his support for Jesus by obeying Jesus authority to throw Satan out.

This action of Michael confirms Jesus authority as the new King. As the archangel follows his commands. And I’m sure he will be instrumental in standing up in support of Jesus command to throw Satan in the abyss as foretold in Rev 19:10—Rev 20:6 on his return.

It certainly was not Jesus as he was not born. And his king ship was to come through the earthly line of King David. 2Sam 1:7:12-14. I don’t think David is the forefather of Michael now do you? [/QUOTE]

Michael is the forerunner of David. And his main angelic backer.

The Bible does not say Jesus commanded Michael, it states Michael is the “Authority of God’s Christ”, so you pulled that one from your hat.

Michael is Jesus before the God’s Kingdomcrownign events of Rev4-5. Rev12:1-12 event is the first event in the Revelation because Satan had to be kicked out before the Coronation of Christ in Rev4-5 took place.

Once you get to Rev6, the prophecies WITHIN the seven seals are future, the seals were all opened to the Lamb’s understanding in 1914, to oversee both “TWO witnesses” warning, 1914-1918 and the future 1260 days finality as 2520 days when combined, “seven times” complete.

Then world government “ascends” (Rev11:7-10; Rev17:8-12), the final warning is ceased (Dan12:11; Rev11:7-10; Rev13:5-7), and Christ arrives; (Rev11:11-12; Rev16:17-20; Rev19:11; Rev14)

Now you know how Michael rolls.


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You have scripture to back up what you say about all orders coming from [Michael or he is the crown,the prince of princes,we don’t know if there is other arch Angels or not just because one is named is not the final word or is it all speculation at best… capitalizing archangel yet demeaning Christ to a small g………..your
preaching angel worship…….all Angels worshipped another angel….there is no way a angel can be the exact REPRESENTITIVE of a almighty God…..a angel is far far far inferior,would be a creation to a creator….no way…..all things are made by him through him and for him….including Angels….show me scripture a angel made other Angels…..hogwash.

You don’t know anything about angels. I do and that is how I get some “inside” information. I did not choose it, I did request it, it got granted, it is what it is.

When JW org goes down hard and global as Daniel 8:13-14 that will be my seal of authenticity, but not for me, but for the prophecy culmination it but begins. (Rev8 starts as Rev8-11 over the rest of them final years)

After that we can talk if you want. If not, the rest of the forecast will proceed from there just as the prophecy states, this time, in exact 1-7 trumpet order, it is the map to Christ arrival. No one will ever know me, the message is what Jehovah’s witnesses will have to focus on, and Jesus Christ’s post-world-government arrival.

This time we cannot wait until after the fact or it would be too late. This time the final accurate forecast comes forth BEFORE the events it describes, starting with the JW org downfall and world war to heal to world government to trigger Christ arrival.

This time Jehovah’s witnesses need to know all of it BEFORE it happens. That it will be first chapter based on their downfall-to-recovery will add great credibility. In time, it will be the most complete and convincing pre-Christ arrival proclamation ever, hence Rev10:5-11.

It is what it is, it will prove itself in Dan8:13-14 events and timing first, and you should think about get ready for the Christ arrival instead of forming needless distractions, because soon you will be dealing with the real thing, not some human.


[quote=”Gnostic Bishop”]That was possibly interesting at the political and real situation, — but to invoke a Satan is to make all you put as delusional thinking.

Jut to prove you wrong, what gender would you make Satan out to be in the eyes of most Christians?


This forum originated with Vigilant Citizen where Satan is considered very real and the current ruler of this world. It is many people who suffer from his main delusion of his supposed non-existence. Genesis 6 gender, he has children in this world he has directly “fathered” by various human women.

It is not too hard to believe there is a Satan, he is the basis of all that VC imagery they point out. He is behind all entertainment so most of the “stars” have his sign all over their works and marketing art graphics.

Satan is who makes world government more dangerous. Even if it was just human, depopulation is the first “world peace” goal, but it takes a decade if they were not to cut it short.

Many people will be changing their minds about all this Christ versus Satan stuff as world government becomes reality. The passing of the old world order is survivable, but the changes it entails means the cessation of the US hedonism based system, and where it is taking root globally, that will shock the hell out of many people, (Hag2:7)

It was only tolerated not because elites are not necessarily all sexual deviants but to distract people with sex-based addictions and synergies of it with violence; once someone is addicted to that lifestyle, it is worse than heroin, in general you can write them off. “Elites” may practice such things, but it cannot be permitted globally to found a healthy society, so what you are seeing and maybe even enjoying is coming to its end as part of a controlled process.

Many changes will be put into motion with this final world war. (Rev13:3,15-18)

When you actually SEE all this with your own eyes, you may be one of the many people who will change your mind very quickly. Now you know you have the valid option of Rev14:6-8, and you don’t need some religion to do it, just Rev14:12 “faith”.

The old world order is going down HARD, and you can survive it if you keep your head. You can really survive by choosing the real world power to come to rule forever.

That logic is to peculiar and based on a certain esoteric view. Thus the questions and their supposed answers would just drift into more of the same.

The sacrifice is not just an “atonement” it is a Heb10:10 new human DNA packet. The “Atonement” allows the proper “lag time” required to do the complete install into human beings. It has nothing to do with justice as humans know it and are incapable of understanding, or applying; In the greatest goal, it has to do with the recovery of the planetary life system which requires perfect eternal DNA in the ENTIRE global genome. (Heb2:14; Rom8:18-22; Matt19:28; Isa34:14-16)

It is the universal default protection module. But earth has to be Matt19:28 “rebooted” to install the new DNA hierarchy as Genesis 1:26-28 comes under now the “Last Adam”. The formation of this recovery was already pre-installed with the universe. So, don’t think this was all an “after thought” of God, it was “designed in” for situations like this.

This all goes global after they complete world government and Christ scoops out the “sheep” and destroys the rival and unplugs Satan and the demons for the freezer.

It si all very real, world government will make ti all realer still. It will be sovereign war with the Universal Real “Overlord”.

The Heb10:10 new DNA must be installed.


[quote=”Illusion”]As the title says, I am just curious as to why pedophilia is predominant in cults like the Illuminati and freemasons.[/quote]

It is just a means to an end. It is in an Aerosmith song called “Uncle Salty” where a traumatized girl goes “insane”, but in the second lyric it says “In Satan”.

Pedophilia is a means to damage young minds to allow more demon access later to use them as tools to further the process of social erosion. The younger the mind, the more flexible it is to be built on damaged neural systems which can be “re-wired” by use of various forms of trauma.

Sexual things with humans are very deeply rooted in the psyche and they drag in many more nueral psychological connections at deeper levels still, so that kind of trauma or sex-based addiction becomes a very effective “in” for more psychological work from the spirit realm later.

It does not all work the same because brains and mind vary, so only a certain percentage end up becoming tools to cause more damage later.

This is why the demons target young brains and minds. The earlier they can get to work, the more chances they can rewire the being for their uses.


[quote=”peachesx”]when I was small the first time I’d really heard of Crowley was people talking about the illuminati, when I tried to find more I read all these weird theories tying the illuminati to thelema and the o.t.o – basically saying they were one… This is simply untrue! The illuminati, whatever it is today if it still exists, and what it was when it did, has nothing to do with Crowley the oto or thelema, yet they’re often linked one in the same. Can anyone explain ? Thanks :)[/quote]

Well to be true “Illuminati” like the real thing back to Genesis 11 “Nimrod” you have to be actually the “seed” born being of Satan as a human form. THAT is what Illuminati really means, Son of Satan in reality, not just for make believe.

Thus when they started a club called the “Illuminati” it can contain regualr humans, but it true leaders are Satan’s children, progeny. (Gen3:15; John8:44)

BUT, not all of Satan’s actual children have to be “in the Illuminati”, it is not some requirement, it is frankly over hyped, over rated and not the worse thing out there. Believe it or not, it is a distraction and misinformation project.

Thus, Satan’s real children are known by him, and NEVER will you know the name of the ring they form, but they control it all for their father and their secrecy is perfect and much huger than the “Illuminati” of an Anglo faction; they are in ALL nations, and are organized by demons. The “Illuminati” so-called “secret society” would just be one of their puppets.

But in general, that may be why certain Satanists are assumed to be Illuminati, but it is no requirement anyways just a Satanic ruse carrot to distract and over hype some fear like they are all powerful when they are just mud crapping human beings, but they can get some demonic guidance and aid.

I wouldn’t focus too much on them, Almighty God also has a counter progeny walking around out here to disrupt the progress of the doomed demon children.

Most humans are just regular old “Adamic” human beings, they are the target, but both families focus on them, one wants to control and destroy them, the other wants to make the salvation source in Christ clear. But beware, anyone can claim to be from the Christian family and camp, it is full of demon children, of course.

You can connect straight to Christ to God, that is the sanctioned “way”, the others are just here to help, they can not be the focus. If they are the focus, they are from the fakes, just to tell you why demons put them into all religions to help guide minds by use of the seeking of God as the bait.

You do NOT need a religion to find God by Christ. In fact, it will hamper your efforts because all religions are designed by and controlled by Satan, they are sleepign pills and worse, to lull the “sheep” asleep with complacencies based on delusion.

[quote=”Illusion”]I know that we all have a measurable energy so I was wondering if when we die, that energy is just transformed or just transports somewhere else, and if so, could that energy be communicated with by somebody with some ‘special ability’ I guess for lack of a better term 🙂

On an unrelated note, so glad VC boards are back up![/quote]

Yes and No. The human is dead, you won’t see them until resurrection time if they have died. BUT, all energy is recorded by angels, the Archangel and God as a perfect redundancy. The angels are the “sensors”. For example, there is an angel or more than one who knows EVERY dog that has ever existed since the first “The Dog”.

Every particle of atoms is known in a “reality” that has to be “recorded” so to speak, but God is its pre-existence to existence reality so he has within his memory ALL of them angels minds and “recordings” so he is the impenetrable “Memory” of all reality that has EVER been.

This is how a dead “Jesus Christ” could be actually gone and non existent and yet when God ALmighty resurrected him by direct action, EVERY single part of his former divine reality and EVERY exact memory was also “restored” because it is IN God.

As God is the very SOURCE of all spiritual and material “energy” he has ti all in Memory as REALITY that cannot be changed or altered as far as what it has been as it rools there every second. By such “connection” he can control all aspects of EVERYTHING.

Now when it comes to the “you shall never die” line Satan gave the Edenic Woman, demons can and do “record” various realities like people, and can retransmit exact “copies” of a person in all detail, BUT it is not actually that person. In fact, if they were not limited by God’s angels they could get your great grand ma’s DNA and generate the form and inhabit it with an exact facsimilie of her, but it is just a demon incarnation.

The objective is for humans to doubt the reality of what death really is. But they can be recovered even if dead by the things just related, as most other resurrections will be through agents of life, like Christ and his angels, and they will even restore dead animals in the Ecclesiastes Shoel state of “the one place” and the “same eventuality” as humans now have, but ti has been bridged back to life by the Christ sacrifice of blood and Heb10:10 perfect DNA which can restore the entire planetary life system as if it never has died, in time. (Eze47 is a coming restorative REALITY, GUARANTEED)

Rather than “talk to the dead”, just be patient and wait for the real thing to be restored in the Matt19:28 global “ReGeneation” process of all life on Earth.

The first problem is the perception of “evolution”. It is false, man is DEVOLVING and all DNA of Earth is degenerating to an attempted extinction.

This is because there is also a “Pure Lie” at work over the human world. But it is temporary. In time man will progress again, but not under the current spiritual and human rulership.

When that changes so does everything else, for all the evils are a reflection of the rulers as the most influential power in the world system. Once they are deposed, the Truth and Life source will take over again, this has always been a test of loyalty.

And it will remain as such for a while until it can be determined who is loyal to God and Love, and who is not. Love lives forever, hatred dies a nasty eternal death. Lies are what continues to allow evil to prosper imbibed behind the scenes, from the top down.

It has to be removed as a whole, in the meantime people are left searching, but we are also learning. In time, the convergence to world government will bring forth the ultimatum of the other government who shall depose human world government permanently, and replace it all as a whole.

That takes around 15 years to complete the final error of sovereignty, then they meet the real thing, and the recovery begins. People are all restored to review life notes, we all know who the Great White Buffalo really equates to, he tramples world government when they are ready for the war with him.

I think you know who I speak of. King of kings and he don’t share with demons, liars, murderers and thieves, he deposes them for good.


Your better off “selling your soul” to Michael. He is more powerful than Satan, and he already bought you, and if you give it recognition it will a hell of a lot better for you in the long run.

He will get you anyways, but you can avoid much misery just selling in now. And of course, sticking to it, he is more demanding of your life than Satan.

Satan is a loser, and I mean that not as an insult to him, but a reality. He is too temporary to give much credence to, and too weak when compared to other super humans such as Michael. Hate even mentioning them in the same sentence.

You should avoid him, he is bad news, temporary, disloyal and a liar too boot.

IF you make a vow to Michael he re-directs to Yahweh, and you best keep that vow, it is way worse to fall into his hands if you try to screw him than Satan who has also fallen into his hands for that same infraction of breaking the vow.

IF you do it, take it serious, he can make your life worse than Satan if you try to screw him. But he will LOVE you and be loyal if you remain loyal to Yahweh and him. He is Jesus Christ, but that is a new name since ca. 1BC “Jesus” and 29 CE “Christ”.

You can find the agreement and terms in any Bible. You have to avoid religion though, just giving you a tip, they work against the truth.


[QUOTE who=”GreatSouthbay4040″]<quoted text> Well, i clearly recall pointedly asking you the quesyion on a previous ocassion and you told me no yhsy you are not appointed.

Well, whether you are of the anointed or not is between you and Jehovah. Not my place to comment irregardless of my personal views which i shall remain silent on.


You asked me if I was dfd. I never deny the anointing, EVER.

[QUOTE who=”GreatSouthbay4040″]
However…..That being said…..What if you were of the anointed as you say you are. Do you really think Jehovah would approve of you talking about your brothers that way?

You sound furious. Is that truly showing the “fruitages of the spirit”? Wouldn’t your tirades also be classified as “beating on your brothers”?


Well, I am not furious, God is. Of course, fakes ruining JWs and their ministry is going to get a reaction. IF you knew it is true, you ould also be angry.

I on,y expose the GB, JWs are their victims.

[QUOTE who=”GreatSouthbay4040″]

And if you are not anointed. You still are beating on Christ’s brothers. Are you giving them a “glass of water to drink”? Are you “feeding them”?

I see them working non-stop on behalf of kingdom interests….But, i see you ranting online.

And where do you come up with these visions? You do realize that not even the GB knows exactly how things will fall into place during the end, correct? So how do you?

Yes, you will NEED this forecast when the end does not arrive as you expect. Except you will not drink until your GB fails with that false prophecy of theirs.

The GB are NOT my brothers. JWs are friends, I just need to offer the optional view for when the end does NOT arrive as soon as they have been misled to accept.

1. The Revelation 8-11 prophecy ahs to REPEAT as we approach world government.

2. Daniel 8 and 11 which the GB now cover up, has the 3rd UN 1990 event and UN NGO which si why the GB covers it all up.

3. EVERYTHING is prophecy leading to Christ arrival registers with the “seven trumpets”, so it is a gauge into which the rest of the supporting prophecy adds details.

Because I respect witness1, 1914-1918, I can apply that VALID pattern to the one that now leads to world government, wherein rather than Christendom apostasy be judged and exposed, it is the JW one we will have to disclose.

God is no fool, the ENTIRE trek to world government to trigger Christ arrival is in the seven trumpets and everything it cross references with in Dan8,11-12.

All we need is Dan2,7,8,11-12; Rev13,17 which really is not much prophecy as far as sovereign world government details that cross ref into Rev8-11, Rev16.

The prophecy has the “vision”, it starts with the Daniel 8:13-14 temple judgment of Jehovah’s witnesses.

Because many JWs will doubt now and even later, Daniel 8:14 provides a verification timing for total proof it is fulfilling at that time. It STARTS with Rev8-11 final sequence.


[QUOTE who=”FutureMan”]<quoted text>

And here I was thinking that you would appreciate me backing you up on this, as regards Michael.

Oh well, you get that.


That is what I found interesting wherein Urantia agrees on the Michael to Divine Christ connection. I know there are a few others but I can’t recall where I found them.

But it is by no means a JW unique idea. But then again a few JW teachings had been in development in other sources for quiet a while among the ones that have taken to some degree.

As regards the GB diversion Daniel 8:23 and Daniel 11:31b are parallel 1990 3rd UN event marked world government presentation progress while in development to theis final pahse completion coming up.

The subversions and apostasies in Daniel 8:11-12 and Dan11:30-32 are also parallel wherein the GB source of infiltration by the “small horn” based King North system intel is described with the context of the UN NGO also parallel in the “THEY place the disgusting thing causing desolation” of Daniel 11:31b and the “transgression causing desolation” in Daniel 8:13.

With all that easy to see parallel development present also in the JW ministry in that Daniel 8 and 11 area, no wonder the enemy system developed GB covers up those prophecies with pre-fulfillment attempts and no wonder the very birth of the GB is under very nefarious circumstances in 1976 from the first mention of the “governing body” term in 1944, showing it is an add on unit, yet it has been deiifed in their JW ministry control process so JWs will not remove the criminal core but maintain it as if Jesus Christ himself.

And for this crime the JW organization will suffer destruction by the KN hand they harbor in their ministry, if not very close to total destruction when world war goes into the ON position soon.

JWs have gone off the edge of the Grand Canyon, but will not admit it until they hit rock bottom.


[QUOTE who=”El Cacique”]Is this Bethel judgement?[/QUOTE]

No, I have accurate profiling of Bible symbols to modern world power developmental centers based on, but more expansive than, what JWs already know about BTG, UN, etc.

The most advanced knowledge in world government development are from globalism experts, some of whom get labeled “conspiracy theorists” as they outline the Executive, Finance and Military sectors of world government development.

Because these are real globalized entities with control of 200 nations in expanding form their developmental histories are also present and researchable in large quantity.

Lars problem is unworkable profiles for Bible symbols and a personal forecast which misses various key signal markers en route to world government which triggers Christ arrival.

As logical proof

1. World government comes first with world peace aspirations.

2. BUT religions must play harlot to the end and sell world government 666 as if “God’s world government” true to BTG form.

3. Then they depose those religions when they have completed final mission. Until they do, they will not emit the full WORLD PEACE statement of 1Thess5:1-3.

Now Lars tries to tell us those who constructed the UN and elite system are now BTG to destroy themselves. NO can do. What Lars describes as BTG here is actually the “two-horned wild beast” power core of world government. They can change form and roles, but they will not depose themselves.

You will see that 1-2-3, you won’t see anything Lars predicts. You will see that 1-2-3 because everyone will see it, and before they do the final warning will state those are the last 3 signs of Christ arrival all shall see BEFORE he pops in.


[QUOTE who=”1919 unscriptural “]We (USA citizens / residents) may face a loyalty test / pledge to a Trump fascist state.
I would not be surprised if he showed up in military attire for his inauguration as most of the religious far right worship at his feet. [/QUOTE]

What comes after Trump is the test time. He is just a next step in Globalist CEO involvement with the US government transition to a Deeper State control leading to World Government no matter how they may use Trump for the Rev17:8-13 end goal.

All the political and religious ideologizing is just part of the distraction, so people do not notice the turning of the “King South” US and EU nation states into the “queen” of Daniel 11:42-43 under King North World Government eventual total control.

JWs since 1990 also play a part in the silencing job, they mention NOTHING of post 1990 3rd United Nations progress to establish a “new world order” based on globalism as the “gathering” global force of Rev16:13-16.

1. JWs won’t mention UN fulfilled Daniel 11:31b and Daniel 8:23 in 1990 3rd step of 4 to world government.

2. JWs will not comment on deep state affairs like 911 or the 2008 global credit crisis.

3. JWs will not comment on the globalization goal of completing into world government.

4. JWs will not talk about the prophetic and global certainty of eventual world government;

Instead, JWs promote the 2Thess2:1-2 premature “it’s the end” delusion so the JW org can be ended and that delusion can be the cover story while JWs tell everyone it is “the end of the world!”.

But it will NOT be the end of the world, it will be the final world war Rev13:3 “sword stroke” that will heal into said 8th King King North WORLD GOVERNMENT.

JWs have been infiltrated as Daniel 11:32a and subverted as per Daniel 8:12.

The go through Daniel 8:13-14 so God can purge the obstacles and GB from among JWs who will be Daniel 8:13 “trampled” and then recovered for the final warning BEFORE world government completes which will trigger Christ arrival for the sheep sweep and flaming retort to fry the world government boys in their tracks, after the complete, depose BTG and utter their infamous “world peace” proclamation of 1Thess5:1-3 under complete world government of Rev178-18 note.

King North runs the Shadow Government coming to light over this final phase of prophecy and global event indicators of Christ arrival.


[QUOTE who=”FutureMan”]<quoted text>

And around, around, the merry-go-round we go. That is how a conversation is with you.

You have not stated whether or not the Great Crowd actually do have Jesus as their “mediator”, since they are not included in the “New Covenant” as understood by the JWs.

But then who is mediating for the Great Crowd? The “Anointed Remnant”?

I mean if Jesus is not a go between God and that of the Great Crowd, then who is the “go-between” here?

Are the “Anointed Remnant” already acting like mediating priests as far as the “Great Crowd” are concerned? Even though they have not actually being appointed “over all of Christ’s belongings” as yet?


This would be easier for JWs to explain if the sacrifice and the covenant “mediation” was distinguished.

The sacrifice covers the whole world:

(1 John 2:2) . . .And he is a propitiatory sacrifice for our sins, yet not for ours only but also for the whole world’s.

Which would mean:

(1 John 2:2) . . .And he is a propitiatory sacrifice for our sins (new covenanters), yet not for ours only but also for the whole world’s. (everyone else not in the new covenant)

So even if “mediation” is not the exact word to use, the sacrifice application and new covenant application are related but not the same. Nowhere is the “new covenant” membership shown as a requirement for salvation, but faith in Christ is by perfect human sacrifice not new covenent, thiugh it is a provision administered by it, Christ’s sacrifice can even save dead people prior to the covenant.

Faith in Christ is far broader in application than even all those who partake and make the new covenant claim.

Now Christ does act as middle man for the entire application of his sacrifice. The “new covenant” was just the divine legal agreement and container of the whole arrangement, it in itself is not the arrangement’s “sacrifice”.

But the GB is there to dumbdown, to go from Fred Fraz grad school back to 1st grade for dodo effected JWs. And such fuzzy teaching is where the GB can conceal, yet place, a number of major stumbling blocks.

People should be clearly taught sacrificial covering is not dependent on being in the new covenant. NO WHERE will you find that but for the members, not as a global requirement for all mankind. It is just the blood ratified divine vow and promise based agreement, not the actuality of the Christ perfect human sacrifice of blood and body. (Heb10:10)

You may be able to see here at Topix, just how slow modern JWs have become and how corner cutting simpleton the GB has morphed them into; they could care less about details nor do they know their own detailed teachings as Fred Franz laid out. A 60s JW was NOTHING like this fog headed crew.

Today’s JWs like the path of least resistance and thought, it is Adamic in nature, the whole media stupefied world is becoming like this, so they are part of a bigger dumb-down operation.


[QUOTE who=”little lamb”]<quoted text>

That is interesting , because there are two seeds ……..Satan’s seed and the woman’s seed .

Must say I find that interesting that the enmity is between the woman’s seed and Satan’s and not the mans seed .


Members of Jesus BODY have been killed and destroyed over the last 2,000 years ..two days ….and as Hosea 6 [2] states ” He will make us alive after two days , On the third day he will make us get up and we shall live before him .’


Yes Hosea 6:1-3 is a modern “sign of Jonah”. But since no one can “see” the body that sign is on JWs in the 3.19 years of Daniel 8:13-14.

And as you note but I imply, no modern Christian, well not too many, knows what it is like to face a concerted persecution, but JWs will get a fast crash course coming up.

So, when all see the event to start the judgment of Jehovah’s witnesses, as they can be “seen” as a ministry to initiate the Daniel 8:13-14 events and timing, we will see a recovery begin in 3.19 years as the Hosea 6:1-3 “days” are years leading to JW repentance.

The sign if JWs are like “Jonah”, negligent and tossed over board into the world “sea” and Destroyer this time is the fish who swallows them up for a deliverance to the shores of “Nineveh” to say what they should have been saying since 1990.

Now, unlike Jonah, JWs are out preaching, their omissions are how they are not saying what has to be said.

The “woman’s” seed manifests in human form as it did with Christ and as it does with sinful selected ones, first HUMAN.

Satan’s seed does the same thing, as per Genesis 6 he FATHERS actual human seed, and they are for human use, the “seed” is from spirit world as was Christ, BUT the place Satan works that spirit is among human beings. (IN the symbolic “ground” of Gen3:15-18)

So, they are VERY REAL, they are cursed human-form and they are highly capable for what Satan has modded them on the Adamic sinner model to perform.

There is NOTHING in the Bible that says Satan and demons are not still bearing children. What we know is the use of giant Nephilim is no longer necessary, but they could come in other forms and that is how Satan works today. All that changed, is the Satanic strategy and global context.

That idea taught by JWs is from Satan, so people do not realize he is still “taking wives” from among men, and we have no indication they can’t materialize as well any longer. All Peter says is the are in darkness and under bonds. WHAT that means exactly we do not know.

But I KNOW there is Satan seed in human form all over the JW org for this coming operation. BUT, they will be removed and a huge global signal is what it will ultimately work our for, and a cleansing, and the final warning with HUGE prophecy TIMING and evidence that this is no fantasy or joke.

There has to be a fully complete and accurate final warning as per Rev10:5-11. When this all takes place with the JW org as a globally seen benchmark, it will get more real so you’ll know I ain’t a crazy and I am not making all this up.

Daniel 8:13-14 will PROVE ITSELF SOON, but it is a drawn out Temple Judgment event cycle with a Dan8:14,26 “evening” and “morning” PHASING.

It will form a solid affirmable and timed verified basis for the final warning chapter 1, little scroll inception eventually. It is Rev8:1-8 paralell.


[QUOTE who=”little lamb”]<quoted text>

There is a scripture in Ecclesiastes that states

” And I saw all the work of the true God , how mankind are not able to find out the work that has been done under the sun , however much mankind keeping working hard to seek , yet they do not find out , even though they should say they are wise enough to know, they would be unable to find out .’

I used to sit in meetings where they would state because this happened in Babylon in such and such a time and because this many times had to go over it and that all adds up to 1914 , and so we don’t have to take the bread and wine anymore because Jesus returned on that date

i went ..what???

And just stuck with Jesus ‘ if you love me you will obey my commandments ‘

so I always knew it was safe only obeying Jesus commandments ….any prophesy that was used to remove me from obedience I would stay with the commandment .

Since then I have learned a couple of things

The new covenant Jesus mediates is with the whole house of ISRAEL, that is more then 144,000

Zion is a mountain in Jerusalem …but not the whole of Jerusalem

New Jerusalem is the holy city that all the tribes go up to in unity

and she is just one city .

The faithful servants who used their masters talents well are given cities to have authority over …

so its not one city like Jerusalem is one city …

its now talking about them having authority over multiple cites …so like you say , it gets more interesting the more we keep focused on the Word.

I’m up for considering this as interesting details. I made a decision a while back where what I know is they are doing a Kingdom, it has definite structure, what it means does not matter to me personally if I did not understand it all yet, it will come out and it will be from God and do what it is supposed to do.

Not that I would not be interested, I just meant I was not going to let the details hold me up, nor judge anyone who wants to go for it, or not, the sacrifice is huger than the covenant because it also covers many who died before the new covenant was activated.

So when I think something is definite I say so, when I think there is probably more to be revealed, I stay flexible as I am with the 144000 function. But no matter how it worked out I am going for it regardless, not because I decided to, but he decided to. I know they way I fell into this, so I know it is real to me because I did not set out to do it, he set out to do it, I just agreed.

But everyone has their own story so I respect that, and that we do not know everything at this point even of these actually simple descriptions.

I know the Kingdom is coming, I know it is real and it has a number even if I do not know it or it is 144000, it changes nothing as far as its reality and it coming, and for it to be more detailed would be no surprise.

I would just want to be reasonable enough to allow the understanding IF that is the way it goes. If not for now, it will come later no doubt, but maybe it will come out with full affirmation, I would just want to be open minded yet have a basis to understand it.

Many things I know now came from or began from a comment someone else made. Even RBR made a comment about 5 years ago that made me relook at Rev11:7 and finally see future world government in it as paralell Rev17:8-12.

But RBR did not intend that, but the comment got me thinking and now it is what it is.

God will guide it and inspite of error it becomes known what he is causing.


[QUOTE who=”Tony Price 77″]<quoted text>

So does anyone else in the world believe you, BJD… or are you on this little quest all by yourself?


A billion people will soon believe worldwide (within 12 years). And what will do that? The first trumpet desolation of JW org will give the rest of the forecast the Daniel 8:13-14 verifying kick in the pants.

See, when JW org goes down hard for 3.19 years peak desolations, then recovers as per Daniel 8:13-14 temple judgment events and timing; forecasted in complete form since 2012, some people will take note AFTER THE FACT.

And when that first section manifests in EXACT TIMING AND EVENTS, the rest of the forecast is sure to also unfold just as reliably as prophecy of God, not human words.

It goes to a billion minimum when JWs are recovered and you will see they have to carry the EXACT SAME message as what you have gotten as an early preview.

When you see them first start to deconstruct JW org (before 2022), I think you will recall these statements, it will be JW org downfall you can witness on CNN King North TV.

The rest will unfold as already forecasted since 2012.

Give it a chance, what do you have to lose? (nothing)


[QUOTE who=”Lordylordy9111″]Watchtower recovery?

The Watchtower has to pay a lot of taxes on their expensive buildings and property. It is also very expensive for it’s upkeep. This is a burden on JWs. They should not have to pay for these expenses. Number one, we must have meetings in small groups held in homes. There are many reasons for doing this as the Church of God’s people and the economic benefits are just one reason. Number two, we must be able to as an individual or a group to question anyone and not be sanctioned. This includes questioning the GB and elders without going to the backrooms behind closed doors. You must be able to do both of these things before you can be God’s people. [/QUOTE]

The org can be dumped. BUT the global network of JW sheep CANNOT as per Hosea 1:4-7, Zech3:2.

I am referring to the HARD COPY of the final warning and the public minitsry that must fulfill Rev11:3, Rev10:11

As far as the tangled mess the JW org is and will become orse later, KN can have it, God will do as he always has done:

1. He will use humans and the path of most resistance to gitterdone

2. He will provide verbal and written or also media form final warning of the Sovereign Ultimatum of God’s Kingdom, because that is what it will be

3. HE will push it to completion as per Rev11:1-7

4. It will be totally complete, accurate and timely before world government completes to trigger Christ arrival; Rev10:5-11

Though Jehovah’s witnesses are who “must prophesy again” in Rev10:11, it will NOT be limited to some religious club, all the JW Org and GB CRIMES to shut up the Kingdom before men will be Zech4:6-9 OBLITERATED in public view and disclosed 1000% in the 5th plague recovery, even before the official final warning.

IT will be fronted by the OPEN SALVATION CALL OF Rev14:6-8 as a great positive for all people.


But, to optimize, this is the finality AMONG JWs:

(Ezekiel 36:22-28) “Therefore say to the house of Israel, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said: “Not for your sakes am I doing [it], O house of Israel, but for my holy name, which you have profaned among the nations where you have come in.”’ 23 ‘And I shall certainly sanctify my great name, which was being profaned among the nations, which you profaned in the midst of them; and the nations will have to know that I am Jehovah,’ is the utterance of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah, ‘when I am sanctified among you before their eyes. 24 And I will take you out of the nations and collect you together out of all the lands and bring you in upon your soil. 25 And I will sprinkle upon you clean water, and you will become clean; from all your impurities and from all your dungy idols I shall cleanse you. 26 And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I shall put inside you, and I will take away the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27 And my spirit I shall put inside you, and I will act so that in my regulations you will walk, and my judicial decisions you will keep and actually carry out. 28 And you will certainly dwell in the land that I gave to your forefathers, and you must become my people and I myself shall become your God.’

Jehovah’s witnesses will remain the global focus of the whole thing. Anyone else can join the 5th plague if anointed and the 6th plague cavalry, it can know no religious barriers.

Then Christ will split the Rev19:11 sky when in post global sheep sweep conquest mode of the seven trumpets which will have gauged the whole thing from temple judgment trumpet 1 to Christ arrival late 6th trumpet (Rev11:11-12) ,to total conquest T7, Rev11:15-19.


[QUOTE who=”Lordylordy9111″]<quoted text>

An still is stands too, the GB have not been accountable for their Wild Beast connections…[/QUOTE]

If none of this ever came to a head on the JW Org divine bullseye, then we would just be speculating. But the 1914-1919 pattern began with a forerunning “Reformation” that started to expose the Catholic core of apostasy and by the 1800s and in America where no burning stakes were allowed it al came out, APOSTASY exposed first in mild form, then a judgment marked and TIMED in prophecy.

It matters not how small the “group of Christians” was or how generic they were termed as Bible Students, this whole thing began with one man: JESUS CHRIST.

But we had a globally seen group of claimant anointed Christians exposing a Chrisetndom judgment they had to be PART OF, and a portion was selected to coninue to carry the news to the point we are STILL talking about it! It was successful, so successful the ONLY option was infiltration into the 2Thess2:1-4 “Temple of th God” by now mildly exposed renegades in that GB thing.

SAME THING, APOSTASY leading to a prophecy that has not fulfilled in Daniel 8:13-14 a direct “right condition” of temple cleansing as a parallel of the “fire of the altar” in Rev8:1-8 which is a fire which uses DESTRUCTIONS to PURIFY the temple. Now that pattern is plain as day in Zech3:2:

(Zechariah 3:1-2) . . .And he proceeded to show me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of Jehovah, and Satan standing at his right hand in order to resist him. 2 Then [the angel of] Jehovah said to Satan: “Jehovah rebuke you, O Satan, yes, Jehovah rebuke you, he who is choosing Jerusalem! Is this one not a log snatched out of the fire?”

Satan is at the “right hand” obstructing “Joshua” and the GB is that globally see obstruction. BUT the “log” is fried a little, termites toasted, and then “snatched” for a purification.

So now Daniel 8:13-14 “right condition” and the Rev8:1-8 first trumpet blast of temple judgment and Zechariah 3 are all tied together with Mal3:1-5.

Now when this does come on that Zech3:3 filthy GB tainted blasphemy, it will be TIMED, it will produce a judgment accounting and a PURIFICATION and the “naked” state of Joshua exposed as the filthy garments are NOT “laundered” they are removed and tossed for NEW clean garments and a “Turban” of God placed authority to replace the GB filth as Daniel 8:13 “TRANSGRESSION causing desolation” is OBVIOUSLY “disgusting thing causing desolation” related as Matthew24:15 is that UN NGO debacle.

ALL OF IT is fully already described in the prophecy to start it off in the KN SOURCE of this apostasy in Daniel 11:32a in Daniel 11:30b “THOSE LEAVING the holy covenant” of which Christendom had long since LEFT even before 1914, so this is a NEW apostasy in actively LEAVING the holy covenant and the GB is the perfect picture of such a defection with Scarlet Wildbeast ties in that UN NGO co-publicist PARTNERSHIP WITH THE WILDBEAST, the “covenant with death” of Isa28.

WHO can just make up a 100 points of JW and GB prophecy connection to a covered up Dan8:12b “throw truth to the earth” 1990 THIRD UN event as JWs are now engaged in for the KN dirty GB infiltrators and tyrants of an ILLEGAL NON_BIBLICAL dictatorship?

So when this does manifest Daniel 8:13-14 and its timing, phasing and desolation “trampling” events on JW Org “soon, very soon” as per WT7/15/15, but under “end of the world” DECOY cover by the Rev2:2 LIAR GB, then the final warning cycle will also have a clear apostasy prophecy, a TIMED temple judgment and a globally seen JW org desolation to KNOW this is Daniel 8:26 TRUE.

It just has to come out BEFORE it happens this time, the whole thing must be BEFORE, because if it waited until after world government 8th King completion, of course, it would be too late. Rather than “the end” which is the JW fooling decoy of 2Thess2:1-2, it is the START of the final cycle as per 1Pet4:17.


[QUOTE who=”Lordylordy9111″]<quoted text>

An still is stands too, the GB have not been accountable for their Wild Beast connections. If so, then they would explain the big write-up in glorifying the Wild Beast in October 1995 in celebration of it’s birthday. No words of accountability from the GB. They are the seed of satan and the acorn does not fall far from the tree. The Wild Beast connection is just one of many spiritual crimes that mean very little to the GB.[/QUOTE]

Yes this is the JW time from 1990-2001 of total UN NGO sin exposure to allow time to repent. But JWs by GB lead will NOT confess and repent before the world.

(Revelation 2:20-23) ‘Nevertheless, I do hold [this] against you, that you tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, and she teaches and misleads my slaves to commit fornication and to eat things sacrificed to idols. 21 And I gave her time to repent, but she is not willing to repent of her fornication. 22 Look! I am about to throw her into a sickbed, and those committing adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of her deeds. 23 And her children I will kill with deadly plague, so that all the congregations will know that I am he who searches the kidneys and hearts, and I will give to you individually according to your deeds.

JWs have now let the opportunity to disclose go by, and now the “sickbed” is coming on JW org so that AFTER THE FACT all will know ti was a divine accounting and judgment.

HELL ON EARTH is coming for JW Org because its sins are only matched by the Pharisees of old, they make the Pope look like a girls scout dressed in white.

And worse, JWs SHOULD HAVE known better. Plain and simple.

It is going to be bad, the global context is going to be huge and a clear plunge into the “tribulation of those days” as the distracting context of Daniel 11:41-43 completing on the KS nation state and the “decoration”.





[QUOTE who=”Tony Price 77″]<quoted text>

What people? Or do you mean the few hundred people or perhaps the few thousand people who read this forum… and who may or may not read your long-winded and verbose posts?

But other than that… what other people are you priming?


It goes global in time. One person talks to 10, 10 talk to 10, evry simple. But to aid it, JWs have to pipe up with this exact prophecy outline.

It is so people know world government will trigger the Christ arrival.

Jot it down, it won’t be late:

(Habakkuk 2:2-3) . . .And Jehovah proceeded to answer me and to say: “Jot down [the] vision, and set [it] out plainly upon tablets, in order that the one reading aloud from it may do so fluently. 3 For [the] vision is yet for the appointed time, and it keeps panting on to the end, and it will not tell a lie. Even if it should delay, keep in expectation of it; for it will without fail come true. It will not be late.

Daniel 8:13-14 is the first affirmable portion to come, of that “appointed time”, it is also this one:

(Daniel 11:35) . . .And some of those having insight will be made to stumble, in order to do a refining work because of them and to do a cleansing and to do a whitening, until the time of [the] end; because it is yet for the time appointed.

The temple judgment of Daniel 8:13-14 will put an end to all this JW Stumble Work with the GB being deposed forever and exposed for what they are in Daniel 11:32a.

Now when all this “crazy” stuff actually starts to happen, then you will understand more clearly. As indicated you have to give it a little more time, it will go global as this all manifests but its context is the global plunge into “sword stroke” driven “tribulation of those days”.

If you keep your head you can make it, because that is NOT the end, it “heals” in time into world government. BEFORE that world government completion this entire final warning will have become history, completed. (Rev11:7)

Now if the 10 things all came true to get there, you can bet your life the last couple events will also happen, that is why it is the final warning with huge proof starting t=with the JW org desolation of Daniel 8:13, soon.

Now, jot it down, it will be on time.


[QUOTE who=”DR SOS”]<quoted text>

Why don’t you go get reinstated back into the congregation? You got kicked out now bow your head and walk back in.

And take your meds with you.



I like your sense of humor and personal illusion.

Had the not up and gone UN NGO to mark Matthew24:15 I’d still be there because they wouldn’t be feeding Molech as pedophile Packers either.

But to fulfill th active apostasy signal of Daniel 11:32a, God has 2Thess2:11-12 allowed this to the GB Buffoons would be clearly marked 666, not in hand like JW slaves now, but in their forehead as the conscious aiding guides of this subversion.

JWs can be recovered, and as per Hosea 1:4-7 and Isa31:8-9 God shall now feed the GB to Destroyer, they have been more than handed over to Satan, he is the MOL father of 2Thess2:9.

Some want to think like JWs this is meaningless, some want to think JWs never had a truth leg to stand on, but when God gets the GB Viper by the neck, the little tune they whistle will be changing.

It will be Daniel 8:13-14 at its midpoint, and the GB intel get the warning beforehand Destroyer will soon be “in the temple” and he is out for them, and some of them he follow on home to finish what he does. (Isa66:6; Zech9:8)

Now that Satan is in with JWs, only a power from the same realm can get rid of him and his GB sons of destruction “in the temple”. Even if they heeded the warning he will still go out to get them, when they stay too long as they will, he will toast them among the Bethelites who have to be freed as many are still real Christians.

Soon, this will all get very very real. The GB entity ain’t making it out alive.


[QUOTE who=”Lordylordy9111″]
<quoted text>

The 1914-1919 was impressive Godly work as was the House of David and God’s temple but Zechariah 3:3 does not mean Joshua will restore God’s original temple in present day because before it can be restored after the 70 year trampling and purification of God’s people, there has to be genuine repentance. Where has the GB repented? Genuine repentance means confessing your sins to one another as James 5:16, 19 says. To whom has the GB confessed their sins? They are the leaders of the JW organization and so they would have to confess tjeor since to one another that includes the congregation just as the members must do to show repentance. The GB are not excluded from repenting by confession. They are responsible for the spiritual conditions of the organization as JWs accept this way. They cannot be forgiven unless they repent to restore the organization or it will be given to someone who will be humble and repent by confessions to one another.

16. “Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective.”

19. “My brothers and sisters, if one of you should wander from the truth and someone should bring that person back,..”

James 5:16, 19 NIV[/QUOTE]

It is good all this tomfoolery has not thrown you off of the significance of the “first witness” of 1914, to be REAFFIRMED by what we shall now be going through as Daniel 8:13-14 first trumpet verification.

It will then be six more trumpets and the thing proceeds exactly where the prophecy alerady states it will proceed, and that upon the same 1914-1918 pattern which led to the League of Nations, but this time it leads to full world government.

They just have to wander like fools into the sovereign territory of the Lion, and he will be eating them fully, this time.

BUT, there will be a full fair and complete warning before the Lion tears them to dog food. Their funeral is the climax of Armageddon, they won’t be buried, they are headed for the Divine Alpo dinner for the global dogs, wolves, coyotes, hyenas and birds, just as written, so it will be.


[QUOTE who=”Jace”]<quoted text>
You are the funniest poster I have ever seen

You truly missed your calling man

You should have applied yourself in the organization and I personally believed you could have made it in the Writing Dept.

Not since the days of Freddy have I personally seen such writing skills and style

You have a demonstrated ability to take bible verses and literally apply all kinds of stuff to them and just like Freddy used to do – apply it to the Watchtower Team

Priceless man. You could have made it man

What happened.

How did you end up chilling out with us.
JW don’t pay your explanations no attention and former JW like myself and others have seen this type of heavy bible quoting and heavy application to the wt and realize we have BEEN THERE DONE THAT and got a closet full of Tee Shirts

Just say

Carry on my man !!


LOL. Well that is a sort of compliment. Fred is my teacher I did read his writings at times a number of times. He did teach JWs how to apply symbolic imagery to globally seen reality.

Without him, none of this would be said.

But don’t be premature, in time JWs have to also carry this exact same message as “second witnessing” int eh future, because there is a “second witnessing” of the “two witnesses” and this harmonizes with the Fred Franz “first witness” harmonizations to reaffirm it all, but now to use JW apostasy and judgment while en route to world government which will trigger the Christa arrival.

Bethel’s current “writing department” is fired soon. This forecast is in complete harmony with witness 1 understanding it just adjusts Daniel 4,8 and 11 based GB errors of today. The GB is also fired in the process of the ruination they governed in the JW ministry since 1976, a full “1/3″ of the Rev8:12 JW ministry including IBSA, now darkness.

The GB is doomed and their pyre helps light the way to recovery. (Rev9; Matt25:1-13)

Soon, God will get JW attention and global attention in a big way as Daniel 8:13-14 comes on JW org apostasy in timed, future verifiable manner, soon.

[QUOTE who=”GreatSouthbay4040”]<quoted text> Wait……So, you’re fairly young. I thought you were a senior.



I wouldn’t have seen it at 30, it took the initial studying to get the Fred Franz pattern down 100% and all the prophecy pieces, they had to be like puzzle pieces in the mind, I had to know it inside and out to put it together since 2011. But I should have seen it by 2001, I was negligent, but in time it came.

But I paid a price for my negligence, thank God is was not death.

All the pieces have to be totally familiar on the Fred Franz meanings, so it could be cross-referenced in the head to be able to test the order of events.

For example, BTG MUST go down under world government, not next, that can be determined from the Rev17:8-18 pattern and Rev16:17-20 which places it at the end of the sequence.

And BTG has to go down as the 1Thess5:1-3 “world peace” statement goes global under world government. This is because BTG deposition adds more credibility to the “world peace” proclamation.

Plus, it frees up some stubborn “my people” sheep who will stay stuck in false religions until they are LITERALLY destroyed in their midst by 8th King world government. The BTG downfall frees up the ones who can still be saved.

So, it has to go all the way, world government completion will be a signal soon followed by the BTG signal, and by that time it will be at the end of a forecast with other total proofs like the JW org judgment well before we get to the world government stage.

For example, JWs are recovered to aid final warning, and that through a final “sword stroke” that HEALS into world government this time.

“The [total] end” is at least 15 years out at this time. But Christ is arrived before the end in the Daniel 12:11 1290 days, so as per Dan 9:27 and Gen7:4 that final “three and a half days” is open for salvation after the 1260.

This way Christ can shake out sheep by use of “with the clouds” or “power and great glory” manifestations depending on the context he is extracting sheep from, and all of it can be used to get more people to repent into the Rev14:6-8 open salvation offer given to all men by Christ’s angels who are in that task.

God drags it out to SAVE MORE PEOPLE.


[QUOTE who=”GreatSouthbay4040″]<quoted text> 50’s is no spring chicken. But, relatively young. I thought you were older since you make so many references to Brother Franz. He passed in the 1970’s, no. I was born in 75. I think Knorr was president, then. I know he finished his earthly course in 77, i believe if im not mistaken.

So, if you were baptized in 92. You had to be near 30. Why did you wait so long? It seems like you were zealous at ine time. Im not saying i agree with your predictions. No, not saying that at all.

However, im impressed to a certain extent…You have the chronology almost down to a science. You must have engrossed yourself in the bound volumes and our older publications.

I myself have always enjoyed the company of older people from all walks of life. Including in the religion in which i was raised. Namely, JW’s. Older people are walking encyclopedia’s.


My mom da’d. Not because she was doubting, but because she did not want to being reproach on the congregation when she killed by father, they were in a bad divorce.

But, she changed her mind, but it was too late, she did not kill pop but she did sock him in the face, etc, but she had already da’d.

So we just took a break, she got back in, but when I drifted off I came back and then studied with the father I mentioned before. Then is when I went all out, and still do, I just had to Matt24:15 split because of the UN association. I did not find out about it until 2011.

And it just went further now, the GB is badly stalled but it is on purpose. (Dan8:12b) When Fred Franz died in 1992, it went into a coma at Bethel on purpose.

There was too much to just ignore like the GB, so I first started preaching on Topix to expand some territory. In time, I saw the GB are not who they claim to be, this was no accident. Then in 2012 when they 2thess2:3-4 “lifted themselves over everyone” as “we are FDS” hoax, I KNEW what it meant, plus I had to split due to the UN NGO Wildbeast gig.

It was definitely time to flee.

But it has all moved forward past the fake GB anyways. You will see ALL of this occur in time, just be patient and just make a note of the flow and why it occurs.

It is FAR from over, the world government boys will eventually get the “little scroll” Sovereign Ultimatum of God’s Kingdom delivered right to their desks, and it will be exactly what it claims to be.

Though we are very near the end, we still have over 15 years at this time.

When is the faithful slave even designated? By who?

It is by a divine judgment as the one that ended in 70 CE, but at 33 temple judgment the new was chosen in that principle.

Jesus asked a trick question “who really is….?”

Of course, ONLY GOD could answer that question as far as the mission actuality to follow a know judgment.

Now in 1919 the intent of the Reformation completed in Catholic system apostasy full exposure, but by that time even reformation churches were teaching the same lies.

So the Russell “Divine Plan of the Ages” really was the completion of reformation exposure of error and that 1914-1919 is real, and a new “slave” of anointed were marked.

So today’s GB to even assume to choose themselves are blasphemers playing God, which squarely aligns them as the “god” of 2Thess2:1-4,a nd obviuosuly claiming to be alone faithful among all humans, jws and anointed they also “lift themselves over everyone” as OBVIOUS “man of lawlessness”; and far be it from the “evil slave” to claim to be and place themselevs as if the “faithful slave”;

The Daniel 8:13-14 coming judgment of JWs will create the final context for a new slave anointed group to come forth with the final warning.

ONLY God can actually appoint a “faithful slave” as all parables like this, ten virgins, parallel the temple judgment of the future.


[QUOTE who=”Lordylordy9111″]<quoted text>

The GB are fully emerged into the new world order agenda. This is why they joined the UN library and partook in a “happy birthday party” celebration in the 1995 Watchtower, October 1, pp. 3-4, with the first paragraph starts of with the “happy birthday song” in quoting the Preamble to the Vharter of the United Nation…..”WE THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED NATIONS DETERMINED to save succeeding generations from the scorge of war, which twice in our lifetime has brought untold sorrow to mankind, and to reaffirm faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person, in the equal rights of men and women and of nations large and small.”

The GB went on in the third paragraph to say the UN save the world from a nuclear 3rd world war and the US has save millions of refugees through humanitarian assistance.

The GB know fully this is the Wild Beast and that it is responsible for creating every war since 1945 by UN sanctions that destabilize these countries and it allows hundreds of rebels and terrorists to flood into these countries killing of hundreds of thousands of innocent people, including the NGO “white helmets” helping the terrorist and rebels kill innocent people while the UN cut off communication and media blackouts ignore the genocides. The UN is the cause and foundation for every war since it’s creation and the GB know this. Yet they are partakers in glorification and honoring the UN so-called peace-maker when it is the ultimate war maker. The GB are worshipped the Wild Beast. They must confess their sins before the Church and show repentance. Will they repent? They are too proud.

I think the GB are all “Sam Herd”, Satan’s Shepherd of JWs, seed of Satan, masonic globalist intel. I don’t thnk the actors in there now can repent, Satan sets his seed in society with only one programmed course of destruction, their goal is get as many following them from Adamic humans as possible.

So, there will be ENORMOUS DESTRUCTIONS of “causing desolation” on ANYTHING that beds down with the UN like the GB and WTBTS have. They are TOAST. But God knows JWs are typical stupefied dolts just like the world now, so they can escape by repenting to a certain degree, but you know once “son of destruction” is involved as they are in the GB, there will be blood.

Now they are priming JWs to abandon everything to the state and just ehad to the JW Bunkers “as crazy as it may sound”. So not only are they pillaging the WTBTS kitty, they are going to try to loot every fool they can get to go to the FEMA “Bunkers” for initial processing into the modern concentration camp system.

Now WHAT IN THE WORLD is going to create an INSTANT GLOBAL MARTIAL CONTEXT to fast track this whole JW Pied Piper operation too?

Then you can start to see even if it is not so instant, it will be ENORMOUS and they will go out for JWs at global scale, and the GB will be the Pied Piper of betrayal and attempted JW incarcerations and kills.

At those times, any [potentially] “dangerous” local elder or other would get whacked just in case, on the first week of the op. So they have to have some killers spread out among the JW system down to congregational level and definitely the entire branch structure has some time released “Jason Bournes” in them halls.

It is clearly Zechariah 11 JW “flock meant for the killing”.


[QUOTE who=”I_know_better_now “]<quoted text>

You do realize “their one thought”/world gov is encouraged by Jehovah himself.. With a specific task in mind. [/QUOTE]

Yes, and if Jehovah encourages “8th King World Government” it MUST COMPLETE as full form world government, full form 8th King, full form scarlet wild beast, FULL FORM whole Daniel 2 “immense image” and FULL FORM King Fierce and King North TOP OF THE WORLD FULL FORM. It all converges into the one final world government meaning and actual fully global power system “king”, “beast”, “image”.

COMPLETION of all things.

Now knowing God COMPLETES things then the enemy system must also fully COMPLETE, and the UN is not that completion, they are just the international forum of what would be the nucleus of the “executive branch” of world government, they are just the “image” of the world government “wild beast” when it achieves its final form of completion.

But as per Daniel 11:42-43 they will complete the wealth control sector, and in Rev16:13-16 and Joel 3:9-12 they will complete the global military control sector.

Now we know globalization is the global force behind the real “gathering” of all the nations to that Har Magedon condition, global situation.

But the reason it is 6th plague deep in the final cycle is because they have to have full control of EVERY NATION to also have 100% Mount-Magedon Military control, and it goes hand in hand with the setting up of BTG by drained “waters” to allow that assault.

After BTG is deposed the final “world peace” credibility is given, as the world gets TWO final signs in complete world government and BTG deposition before Christ is in conquest mode. Thus 1Thess5:1-3 is a “peace and security” statement of WORLD GOVERNMENT and their big hopeful “World Peace” con, and many will be the gag.

But as per Rev11:7-12 Christ arrives BEFORE BTG is deposed in sheep sweep mode first (Matt24:31), as world government is completing because his Messianic Court of Daniel 7:26 and Matthew 25:31 MUST render the judgment merely carried out by 8th King and a full “ten horns” of global power based on ALL of the nations.

And secondly, God must COMPLETE the 144000 and King of kings coronation of Jesus Christ as also King-Priest of the Messianic Kingdom which is the sovereign agency appointed to rule planet Earth, God must complete that immortal entity in the 8th King’s face as per Psalm 110:2.

Rev 14 is that final sequence and so is Rev19 as Rev17:8-18 is leading there as a convergence as Daniel 11 merges into Daniel 12 whose 1260 days will have completed as Christ must arrive in a newly active 1290 days already started as per Rev11:7-12 and Daniel 12:11 “remove the constant” which is the final warning deposition of the “two witnesses” as parallel into Rev14, Matt25:31-46, Rev11:15-19.

But sheep are secured first before the conquest mode is begun, and that is why they take their time in Daniel 12:11, because by many super natural signs, some people can be fully “rcoked” to repent, because by that time it will have ended a slavo of signs such as world government and BTG destruction, so many people will come to realize, it really is Jesus Christ.

Dragging it out allows more to be saved, world government allows BTG to be globally outlawed and Rev18:8 condemned and destroyed as an entity for God, before the eyes of many people who can benefit from the downfall of that prison as per Rev14:6-8.

There will have been a TON OF PROPHECY AND SIGNS by the time we get there which will save more people.


[quote=”Gnostic Bishop”]Star

What I am disturbed about is people throwing away their logic and reason to follow a God based on the supernatural and fantasy, especially when that God`s morality is more Satan like than God like.

The fact that you are ignoring questions shows how poor apologists are getting as they, and you, know that you have nothing to offer to back up your fantasies or justify your homophobic and misogynous ways. If you are in Christianity or Islam that is.


I’m not involved with religions. And I point out there is no “doomsday” it is just an impression used to resolve into world government. And there is no bigger salvation message explanation than this one here. So, I do not fit into a “religious” category, I just state how they are to produce world government, who it will trigger, and Rev14:6-8’s offer that becomes very real at that time.

So I cannot be generalized as any of the negative things they point out about some “Christian” commentators. It is unique in this forecast, it goes on several more years.

This material world is young and was born from the spiritual world and with Satan ruling the place these last 6000 years it is no surprise the doubts you have been taught to have. But the world that created this world is also the one required to secure it for the restoration.

I only bear good news, I have no condemnation for others or their religions, I just point out the state propaganda and world division goals they are engineered to function for. You don’t need them, but you do need Yahweh and Yehoshua, they are real and they are who brought this into being.

Satan is not from this world, he is butting in from the other realm which gave him a great advantage, but he can be overpowered and destroyed in time. The goal is to extract cooperative people as he goes down to be saved for the next age. That was the same goal Jesus Christ had and has, he just returned to the spirit world, but he will pop back in once they are fully forewarned and in world government sovereign completion, because he is going to be King of kings, and they ain’t one of the kings he will be using, but deposing as King 8 of Revelation 17:8-18.

Much has to happen before then, and the doomsday hoax just distracts people with doomful thinking. (Rev13:3)


[QUOTE who=”rsss1″]<quoted text>
its tall tales when the bible tells you not to do that have you not learned from the debocials of the wtbts….then your name calling is quite christain of you…im not judging, reading what Gods word says….God says there will be torment then guess what there is torment…take it up with God….your the one that says you die get resurrected go right back to the grave….bible says otherwise….accept what it says or not up to you…jesus warning of hell so much he talked about it more then heaven.


This may help. See, most people do not THINK ABOUT the concept of “being reborn” enough. Now it occurred with Christ and those approved of heaven that follow him completely. BUT it is ALSO required of humans to be reborn into the Eternal Father meaning of Jesus Christ of Isaiah’s prophecy.

When most people think of Hitler or a Ted Bundy they see an evil demon born into Adam raised by the kingdom of Satan. But that person is dead. And those who die discard the person as well. The advantage is what if Hitler and Ted Bundy were taken over at conception then raised in a household of holy angels? Think they would have turned out the way they did as they pursued lies and fleshly things?

Nope, they would not even be the same person had they ben born into Adamic forms.

But what is coming is also HUMANS who must also be “reborn” of the perfect Heb10:10 body of Christ in the exact same perfect physical form of the Christ when he was also reborn first as a human being. Then they are all raised by the Kingdom of God under a hierarchy descending down into more tiers of perfection from God to Christ to the Bride to the holy angels to layers of perfect humans or being perfected humans of families who can know great great grand parents in perfect form 140 generation back to the beginning, but now a beginning in Last Adam.

When God can do all this and much more WHY stay stuck killing and torturing the same person over and over and over again?

Who are you? Worse than Ted Bundy?


[QUOTE who=”PrufSammy”]<quoted text>

Things got pretty wild by the time of Constantine after the deaths of the apostles. And the history of the Catholic Church, then the Protestant Church and the breakaway, and then the “return” of Jesus to gather the sheep. The many hundreds of years in between certainly had their own sad wildness about them.
So when the congregations were espousing pagan type teachings, do you think Jesus was pleased? Did he not tell some of those anointed to REPENT? Did some of them? Likely some of these bodies and persons within those (organized) bodies of believers did just that.[/QUOTE]

But now we have to add Jehovah’s witnesses to that lineage of judgment signs. But the judgments always produced something better afterwards. (Dan8:14)

Now the “were delaying” is in the JW time frame. While men slept, weeds were sown in as Fred Franz was one who “slept” as far as earthly oversight of JW ministry.

During the delay they all nodded and went to sleep as in 10 virgins.

And now we have a modern Christain group who can be judged and all can see and understand the JW context of this latest weed patch growth.

THEN, the delay is over; (Rev10:5-11) It fast tracks that last 15 years to world government and Christ arrival.

JW judgment will be the Dan8:13-14 sign.

[QUOTE who=”I_know_better_now “]<quoted text>

For all we know it could be complete already.. This explains all the false flag events worldwide.. The signs and fire coming down out of heaven “events” to convince and propagandize the sheep.. It’s never wise to draw absolute conclusions when we really do not know until afterwards.. I tend to agree it is being attacked from within and without.. The org is in a very dangerous time.. I just hope the sheep survive it with their faith in tact.. Jehovah though can support his people in any situation. It is not worth getting all worked up. What it all comes down to is whether or not Jehovah is with us individually.. Gov’s will come and go and so will religions.. Jehovah and his ways will not.[/QUOTE]

The “shadow government” is pretty much complete. The purpose of God allowing this to go the whole way is always to SAVE MORE PEOPLE.

Because the final warning will clearly and globally ID World Government as the Christ trigger, a billion people and more can take advantage of what that means.

So 8th King World Government, when ti completes, will be no shadow, secret, or hard to miss, it will be in everyone’s faces.

As we step there God is going to rock the nations more and more and more to wake them up, and to get them ready for the world government final sign.

I am not getting “all worked up” I am ALREADY warning people of the world government sign meaning, it WILL trigger Christ arrival and God’s purpose is Rev14:6-8 to SAVE MORE PEOPLE and to extend that guaranteed Rev14:6-7 offer.

Eventually, like it or not, JWs have to JOIN THE WARNING. They will come around later in Rev9-10:5-11, Rev11:1-7.

BUT that world government sign warning WILL go global, it is very simple and EVERYONE ON EARTH will see it.

World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and “world peace” stated (1Thess5:1-3; Dan12:11), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.


JWs are now subject to 2Thess2:1-2 premature Christ arrival carrot.

There will be ENORMOUS events coming to lead to the “sword stroke”, they will play up Russia as the DECOY King North, etc.

It will all look true, the GB credibility will be stellar in JW eyes.

BUT, it is not true.

They will run their Daniel 11:41 invasion of the decoration and the Dan8:11 throwing down of the “established place” JW org, and JWs will buy all that as “the end” that will not come that soon.

Instead, a year will turn to two will turn to 3. (In Dan8:14 timing, “evening” phase)


Then God will have to clue JWs in on the REALITY OF THE SITUATION.

Instead the world will be in the “sword stroke” and it has to “heal” as before, into a UN “peace” presentation, but this one is world government.

Once JWs catch on to that, minus the fried GB, they will have to explain the last part of the prophecy as the final sign and warning. It is the FINAL 1260 day warning, in time, the FINAL Messianic Kingdom proclamation. 1914-1918 was the INITIAL warm up preview warning and Kingdom of God proclamation. 2520 days, 1260 days X 2,is “seven times” total allowance for warning, then the real “the end” comes for the rival “system of things”.

BUT, the JW org judgment will PROVE in its events and timing Daniel 8:13-14 BEYOND ANY DOUBT! It will have been first trumpet inception, Rev8:1-8.


3.19 years minimum, probably 3.19 years “evening” darkness then 3.19 years “morning” of light and recovery, also Rev9 abyss opens to LIGHT as five discreet virgins also LIGHT UP!

That LIGHT, is the final warning.

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Superior Authorities Versus Super Authority


At this time:

(Romans 13:1) Let every soul be in subjection to the superior authorities, for there is no authority except by God; the existing authorities stand placed in their relative positions by God.

Since after the flood and Genesis 10, “superior authorities” are in “relative position” by the will of God. God tolerates national powers, as in plural nation(s) ruling their territories as placed by God. At this time, God allows the national powers to do so.

BUT that is “authorities” as national governments as the pinnacle of that power. MULTIPLE ONES, not ONE! In Genesis 11, when Nimrod tried to found a SINGLE WORLD GOVERNMENT based in Babel (a singular “superior authority”, God disrupted the activity non-destructively.

And the SAME THING in the future, as long as now God allowed “old world order” Superior POWER(S) to rule, He and Christ will NOT arrive for sovereign war.

BUT, when they COMPLETE WORLD GOVERNMENT, and attempt the “new world order” as ONE “GLOBAL Superior Authority”, they will have crossed the line, God and Christ will arrive with 1000 trillion angels, as many as stars in the sky for the FINAL DISRUPTION (for selective permanent extrication of sovereign rivalry as ONE illegal “superior authority”), the one where Zephaniah 3:8-9 relates back to Genesis 11 first disruption, because God changes the languages back to the “pure language” LITERALLY.


God’s Kingdom in the Messianic Kingdom agency for earth rulership under King Jesus Christ. (Scripture Reference: THE WHOLE BIBLE)

The NWO can then get packing to the hills (6th seal time released reality), ONLY after full warning because ANYONE can surrender to the real Superior Authority King Christ and be saved ANYONE, even NWO Camp persons. (Rev14:6-8).

It is an OPEN SALVATION CLIMAX as well, as with Nineveh in the day of Jonah, some, not all, but some will surrender and not just survive  Arnmageddn , but begin living FOREVER AND EVER! DAY one of the rest of their eternal lives.

Thus the King Christ offer cannot be beat as backed by trillions of “the real McCoy” Angels of Christ:

(Revelation 14:6-7) And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, and he had everlasting good news to declare as glad tidings to those who dwell on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people, 7 saying in a loud voice: “FEAR God and give him glory, because the hour of the judgment by him has arrived, and so worship the One who made the heaven and the earth and sea and fountains of waters.”

The NWO cannot make such offers. They lack the Christ Resume credentials of true perfection and absolute moral integrity to God Almighty. They will be fired from their job. (Rev19:11-21; Dan2:31-45; Rev11:15)

The Armageddon Hoax Aided by Coming World War with Russia Bloc

The only errors JWs have now remaining in “theology” is that in Daniel 8 and 11 as far as major prophecy continuums (there are “this generation” errors to aid the distractions which will also be “ironed out” (Zech4:6-9; Zech6:9-15)).

But Jehovah’s Witnesses have PLENTY, a veritable Jonah Boatload being tossed overboard, of unapplied and covered up prophecy maturing in fulfillment towards world government which the “burning mountain” attache GB “fallen lamp” is covering up on purpose among JWs and their audience. (Dan11:32a; Dan8:12b; Rev8:9-11)

This will relate to two things regarding (1) the GLOBAL “WW3” “sum of all fears” (Rev13:3; btw, the final world war cycle coming up) and last but certainly the most important goal: (2) KEEPING JWs focused on the decoy KN which the USSR-to-Russia transition of global political “bogey man” as Russia (by design, btw) is providing while NWO  UN centered  world government progresses uncommented as long as possible.

1. Now world government will be BIG and BIG global news, It IS coming (in time, I repeat, In Time! (its completion context will define the 1Thess5:1-3 “world peace” statement). Now the global “problem-to-solution” phase which defines Rev13:3 “healing” and Isaiah 41:1 “recovery” AND the Rev17:8-12 “abyss ascension” context is this coming world war in which Russia is the political “bogey man” and Islam is the religious one**, and thus, we have a global instability complex truly unique for this “World War 3” cycle. A few nukes may ven be used to really amp up the “Global Fear Effect” with a recovery amping ultimate purpose. (Rev13:3)

For the “global story” of the WW “healing” global relief phase to eventually come of Rev13:3, this is the “Ultimate Hegelian Dialectic”:

DEFEATING RUSSIA AND ISLAM to aid the global world government “world peace everyone!” presentation (1Thess5:1-3 signal), using the “WW3” global peace resolution (actually the fourth cycle of WW btw [1]) and it is all, as usual, SCRIPTED for this effect.

2. During the initial part of this so-called “WW3” cycle is the JW Decoy Operation Climax to CONTINUE to keep JWs engrossed on the wrong King North (as long as possible is the goal), in this case, Russia resuming the USSR role already heavily ingrained as “King North” into the JW gray matter since 1958.

JWs will be bonkers and mesmerized when Russia SEEMS to perfectly fulfill the “as though” King North climax (relates to the “as though” of Rev13:3)  they too have been “predictively programmed” to believe in error, for, to JWs, it must now most certainly be “the end”.

They too have been “predictively programmed” to believe this global “the end” HOAX-with-a-Purpose in error, for it must be “the end” or so it “as though slaughtered to death” seems for a while, even to JWs for a while. (Rev13:3)

But, it will not be “the end of the world”.

The judgment STARTS (1Pet4:17) with the JW org’s “end” phase of apostasies and UN NGO treaty accounting from God. (Matt22:1-4; Isa66:6; Hos1:4-7; Zech3:1-5)

The World?

The world just keeps proceeding over roadkilled and JW-org-lemming-herded baffled and broke JWs like a steamroller to the World Government Climax of all prophecy!!

In this period, “Your Deliverance is Getting Near” Hyped JWs are then told to go out with that “hard-hitting judgment message” [3] of the “complete destruction of Satan’s world has arrived” when in fact the UN-NGO allied “JW Org” is the main unanimous target of ALL “superior” powers, JW Org is even on God’s Blacklist of the Temple Judgment Himself! (Dan8:13-14; Rev8:3-8; Matt24:15=UN NGO)

(In effect, JWs will also eventually be made to  look like a global “end of the world sign waving bull horn blowing” mob of bamboozled idiots,  sore necked  “standing up straight” for a Christ arrival then still years away! [3] That’s’ what JWs get for “trusting the [evil] slave” GB hooligan council from KN. (Dan11:32a))

This too is for a reason: Discredit JWs and the final warning along the way. Thus, JWs will be severely fooled and eventually temporarily paralyzed UNTIL God breaks the delusion by another development also manifesting at the same time, in reality: the TIMED Temple Judgment [2] to manifest visibly on JW org as a globally seen signal ” tampling ” desolation (Dan8:13-14; Dan11:41-43 global context of real UN-NWO King North progress).

To conceal that coming reality of timed temple judgment, the GB is now selling the “JW org  seige ” to JWs as the “it is the end brothers!” (GB promoted as per 2Thess2:1-2)


Everyone—God, Jesus, Holy Angels, Satan, Demons, KN, national powers, JWs, the GB, JW Org, the ARC, the FBI, the CIA, MI6, the Pope, the world and the sky, the sea the mountains and the trees (Rev8), EVERYONE all now agrees that the JW org is going down!

EVERYONE!!! Think about it!

Finally, something everyone is now literally agreeing on at global scale at the same time prior to its reality!

And “sum” it all up and you have?

1. The Armageddon Hoax and the “End of the World” delusion (hence the premature Christ arrival DELUSION of 2Thess2:1-2) for BOTH the world and JWs as one whole deluded mass herd. “The end”+ Christ arrival decoy the GB pushes harder than even Christendom which distracts people from the fact King North 8th King WORLD GOVERNMENT is what this “abyss” of WW gives birth to INSTEAD as Revelation 17:8-12, Rev13:3 and Isaiah 41:1 (19:7) PARALLEL.

This is so the real King North 8th King can use the relief and global hope and “admiration” (Rev13:3; Rev17:8) for then eventual globally-positive world government focus to come when this final world war resolves into world government for the purpose of presenting the final wild beast rendition, all as perfectly foretold by God.

2. And JWs, for their temple judgment darkness period (Dan8:14,26 “evening” phase, 3.19 years, 1150 days, half of the temple judgment) will be right among everyone else ALSO thinking in error it is “the end” (2Thess2:1-2), also being deceived and distracted from the real final mission and its required prophecy updates by the same false impression.

“WW3” (really the 4th cycle including the Cold War) provides the global fear zenith and ultimate distraction which will pass into, instead, full KING NORTH world government, the 8th King “Scarlet Wildbeast” convergence of all sovereign prophecy of “superior authority” on Earth. (Dan11:44-45; Dan8:25; Rev13:15-18; Rev17:8-18)

In time, JWs will be woken up (Matt13:1-13, for the final warning requirement mission. (Rev9-11) Rev10:11 as Daniel 8:13-14 timing and events complete during this cycle. 

And they will then understand why we must “prophesy again” as the “second witness” of the “TWO witnesses” commission convergent final warning swarm (5th trumpet) and final warning cavalry (6th trumpet) continuing to Christ arrival, forewarned 1260 days minimum (Rev11:2,7-13) BEFORE World Government completes.

(Revelation 10:11) . . .And they say to me: “You must prophesy again with regard to peoples and nations and tongues and many kings.”

The “Seven Times” Easy Formula

(btw the Revelation “Seven Times Formula” is “TWO (2) Witnesses”, take 2, X times 1260 days equals (=) 2520 days. 2 X 3.5 (“time, times and half a time”) is 7 times (“seven times”) completion in final warning allowance, but as 2520 days, which began at the end of 2520 years (1914 point of convergence) as Babylon was the entity of “seven times” note to track in Daniel 4 (NOT “Jerusalem” which  paralells  the development); another update to come to JWs in time, see [4])

The Revelation 11 “Seven Times Formula” is so easy it has been literally staring us in the face, and we it, the whole time! Hidden by its simplicity and the math errors of others!

2 witnesses (X) 1260 days is also (=) “seven times” as 2520 days as Christ then assumes the “kingdom of the world” for the  preservation of the “gentile” many (Rev11:15; Dan4:26) as this final “seven times” comes to its end with the final warning ceased! (Rev11:1-7 end of the “two witnesses ministry; Dan12:11 “cease the constant feature”; Rev13:5-7)

The basic “cliff notes” gist of the final warning matter then boils down to another very very simple and logical  truth:

8th King World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3; Dan12:11), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

(Hence (Dan8:13-14 (Isa38 = JWs), + Rev11:2-3 (Dan7:25, Dan12:7; Rev12:14, Rev13:5)) and eventually Dan12:11 (which is Christ arrival in that period initially 1290 days activated in the symbolic “3.5 days death” state into the 1290 days; (Rev11:7-12)))

**Final Note: In the eventual utter defeat of Islam (with the eventual 100% taking of the Middle East eventual modern “nuclear whipping boy” for this WW cycle) is the first “department of Babylon the Great” religious empire to be taken out (Rev17:12-18), in effect, it also starts the BTG downfall ball-a-rolling.

(Christendom is saved for last to aid the “world government admiration effect” with the earthly “Israel Decoy” all looking like “Crusade” and “Prophecy” heroes to the duped world as the global “bogey men” in Russia and Islam surrender and go down respectively, all as “globally WW3 scripted” for this very global effect: Rev13:3, Rev17:8-13)

(Revelation 13:3-4) And I saw one of its heads as though slaughtered to death, but its death-stroke got healed, and all the earth followed the wild beast with admiration. 4 And they worshiped the dragon because it gave the authority to the wild beast, and they worshiped the wild beast with the words: “Who is like the wild beast, and who can do battle with it?” 

The nations “heal” and “regain power” BEFORE “the judgment” completes as noted here:

(Isaiah 41:1) “Attend to me in silence, you islands; and let national groups themselves regain power. Let them approach. At that time let them speak. Let us come up close together for the judgment itself.

It is good news too:

(Isaiah 19:22) And Jehovah will certainly deal Egypt a blow. There will be a dealing of a blow and a healing; and they must return to Jehovah, and he must let himself be entreated by them and must heal them.

Thus ANYONE can benefit from the convincing power of the final warning and this wrap up events to fulfill completely:

(Revelation 10:6-7) he swore: “There will be no delay any longer; 7 but in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to blow his trumpet, the sacred secret of God according to the good news which he declared to his own slaves the prophets is indeed brought to a finish.”

Now as noted in the end section of Isaiah 19:22, God does indeed have “worldly” worshipers (Rev14:6-8) as he did when he healed ancient Egypt and found many new believers in Jehovah God due to the events they lived through. (as well as those “returning” as noted in Isa19:22b, already True God worshipers)

As per Romans 2:23…:

(Romans 2:12-29) For instance, all those who sinned without law will also perish without law; but all those who sinned under law will be judged by law. 13 For the hearers of law are not the ones righteous before God, but the doers of law will be declared righteous. 14 For whenever people of the nations that do not have law do by nature the things of the law, these people, although not having law, are a law to themselves. 15 They are the very ones who demonstrate the matter of the law to be written in their hearts, while their conscience is bearing witness with them and, between their own thoughts, they are being accused or even excused. 16 This will be in the day when God through Christ Jesus judges the secret things of mankind, according to the good news I declare.

26 If, therefore, an uncircumcised person keeps the righteous requirements of the Law, his uncircumcision will be counted as circumcision, will it not?????????????????????

?????? huh????

Do WE get it yet?

…and that principle in Isaiah 19:22 and found in the story of Job as well, ANYONE can be saved and God sees ALL MANKIND, as Satan is tempting all mankind, and God’s will for all mankind is the  diamteric  opposite of Satan’s, so God must take note and care about ALL PEOPLE, but He must make a judgment according to the core of what we really are.

Hurtful and predatory people have to be cut off, but not all people are such, and those who are not are “circumcised” even if in an ignorant state of such by being as loving as they can “naturally” (which has to take effort of heart), as Paul related with its ultimate meaning.


Did the NWO make this here planet? Do they really truly OWN it? Are they really above God’s Law? Are they really even alive? LIFE? No. And those claims they make will have certain eventual fully meted out “time to reap” ramifications to their  very literal faces in time sure to roll in with the winds of change. (Dan2:31-45)


AND HE AIN’T GOING BACK IN! And neither are the others of Christ’s Pride of Lions:

(Micah 5:8-9) And the remaining ones of Jacob must become among the nations, in the midst of many peoples, like a lion among the beasts of a forest, like a maned young lion among droves of sheep, which, when it actually passes through, certainly both tramples down and tears in pieces; and there is no deliverer. 9 Your hand will be high above your adversaries, and all enemies of yours will be cut off.”

Things will soon be changing on this planet Earth for good.

We only need the One King Christ that God appoints leading His own Eternal King position. (1Cor15:24-28; Rev21:-22) There really is no need for an NWO wannabee group of politician, warlord and banker Corrupted Cornucopia of deluded inept ultimately powerless CEOs of World Government. The Job has been taken. They can go home now.


Babylon the Great Deposed Under World Government


[1] On UN 1-2-3-4 and Four World War Cycles Including the Cold War Third Cycle

8th King/King North World Government as Simple as Possible

[2] Temple Judgment to World Government to Christ Arrival

[3] Your Deliverance is Getting Near!—The Question is: Deliverance to What?

[4]  “Seven Times” Updates Coming—”Appointed Times of the Nations” Reconsidered, Again


I am always in a rush, because I have to get out as much as I can (five years worth full time now, no time to go back and reword, reorganize much, so far; That is coming God willing though.), so I can’t really refine things; so I know this is hard to read sometimes, and plus, it is getting more complex because we need to update the King North UN stuff since 1990, all being hush hushed at UN Bethel, so we have an apostasy too boot to expose.

They plan to create an “at the time” event, and want JWs to “obey as crazy as it may sound”. (WT11/15/13)

So the obvious concern is the enemy is in the org, and they want to send JWs to “bunkers” of capture. How far they get remains to be seen.

So my advice is DO NOT OBEY MEN AS CRAZY AS IT MAY SOUND! It ALREADY sounds “unsound” you know.

As far as fleeing you must make your own decision. But also know the enemy is well concealed “slipped in” AMONG JWs, and they do NOT have good intent for JW lemmings.

You may just get a friend to baptize you in a pool, lake or tub, it has the same meaning. Is say this because I got “baptized” when they had the “org allegiance” clause added, like the very year or so. But I did not know how bad that is at that time, plus God accepts the baptism regardless what the enemy does to try to “nullify” it, they cannot of course.

Be careful is all I say.

And look at the graphics, they are easier to see the flow of, such as these:

Appointed Times of the Nations Reconsidered, Again—Seven “Seven times” Applications; Initial, Offset and Extended to World Government and Christ Arrival

Now I was OVERWHELMED when this first started to “open up” in 2011. I had a hard time understanding two “Revelation seven trumpet” cycles, It was hard to keep them separate in my head. I was at meetings for a year, literally, just going over my Rev notes in my scribbled Bible I was using at the time, to study at the meetings what I felt was more important.


The more you STICK AT IT, even if confusing at first, the more it will be like the back of your hand. I had a hard time seeing King North must be “world government” same as 8 King.

But after enough review, now, I cannot “unsee” it. Now it is so obvious, I wonder how I missed it from 1990 to 2012.

Stick at it and most importantly PRAY FOR ANSWERS. Ultimately when we get the CORRECT ANSWER, it has to be from God, for he makes no errors. We MUST pray very heard and regularly for the correct answer, no joke. I ASKED for this for 4 solid years BEFORE it started to open up, I did pray and request to understand the “final secrets”, and yes, there are quite a few:


(Isaiah 48:6-7) You have heard. Behold it all. As for you people, will you not tell [it]? I have made you hear new things from the present time, even things kept in reserve, that you have not known. 7 At the present time they must be created, and not from that time, even things that before today you have not heard, that you may not say, ‘Look! I have already known them.’

(Isaiah 42:9) . . .“The first things—here they have come, but new things I am telling out. Before they begin to spring up, I cause you people to hear [them].”

(Isaiah 43:18-19) 18 “Do not remember the first things (1914-1919), and to the former things do not turn your consideration. 19 Look! I am doing something new. Now it will spring up. you people will know it, will you not?

Plus the most negative of people in my life ended up being Jehovah’s witnesses. You have to RESOLVE to pay attention to prophecy NOT JWs or the GB. Plus, Dan 8 and 11 is the only major continuums needing post 1990 updates to UN 3.0 event of 1990. Daniel 4 is just a slight massage to get the 607 BCE date based on a “gentile time” in Babylon (Neb’s crown-prince-to-kingign phase), to clear up the Jerusalem destruction date glitch there on purpose.

So it is possible to boil this down this simple, this is as “boiled down” as could be managed (so far):

Final Prophecy Continuum (Gauged on Seven Trumpets by Temple Judgment Time, Takes More Than a Decade from Temple Judgment Time)

I. Apostasy, Judgment, Accounting and Recovery of Jehovah’s Witnesses


Now: JW inspection (completing or complete; Zech3:1-5; 2Thess2:1-4);

Now: Bethel Apostasy and Lawlessness Signal of Judgment; (2Thess2:1-12; Zech3:1-3; Dan8:11-12; Dan11:30-35);


1. “Tribulation of those Days” Context Begins; (Matt24:15; Dan8:13; Dan11:41 (now), 42-43 (soon); Dan21:1b);

2. 8th King Activates Daniel 11:42-45 Final Cycle; (Rev16:13-16; Rev17:11-18);

A. Daniel 11:42-45 Must Converge with Daniel 12 Final Fulfillment;

3. Jehovah’s Witnesses Temple Judgment Starts (1Pet4:17; Mal3:1-5; Dan8:13-14; Rev8:1-6; Matt25:1-13);

A. Temple is Desolated, Purified (Zech3:4-5) and Recovered (Rev9): Daniel 8:14 “Right Condition” Temple Purification Reached; (Dan8:13-14);

II. Recovery, Final Commission, Final Warning, Learning Application

1. Final Kingdom Ministry Commission; (Rev9-11; Zech3:6-7; Matt24:45-47);

2. Final Kingdom Invitation and Warning Deploys; (Rev9, Rev 11:1-6);

3. “Tribulation of Those Days” Context Ends (Matt24:29; Isa41:1) into:

A. Final Kingdom Warning Ceased; (Rev11:7-10; Dan11:44);

III. Rival World Government Completions of 8th King and God

1. World Government – National Sovereign Conglomeration Completes into 8th King World Government; (Rev16:12-16; Rev 17:11-18);

A. 8th King World Government World “Peace and Security” and World Recovery; (Dan8:25; 11:44-45; 12:11; 1Thess5:1-3 globally stated world peace sovereignty; Dan8:25 “freedom from care” parallel; Isa41:1 world recovery);

2. Christ Arrival; Anointed Sheep Gathering (Dan12:1, Matt24:29-31; 25:31-46; Rev11:11-13; Rev19:11-16; Rev1:7; Rev6:12-17);

A. Christ Completes Messianic Kingdom 144000; (Rev11:11-12; Rev7:1-8; Rev14:1);

B. Christ Messianic Kingdom King-Priest Coronation; (Zech4:6-9; 6:9-15; Dan7:26);

(All the following takes place under complete Messianic Kingdom “Court” of Daniel 7:26:)

C. Babylon the Great Deposed; (Rev16:17-19; Rev17:15-18; Rev14:8);

D. Sheep Gathering/Goat Determination Finalized; (Mat24:31-46; Rev14:14-20);

3. Armageddon; 8th King Deposition and Messianic Kingdom Conquest; (Rev11:15; Rev19:19-21);

4. Christ’s Messianic Kingdom 1000 Years Rule


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So the churches and the Jehovah witness org are all run by Satan…….. No one is right?….what is your belief on theology? Who Jesus is?ect…….

Jesus is the son of God. It was his most basic claim, and the one the Jewish religious leaders attempted to repudiate. They were also under Satanic control obviously. The Jews were closest to the tree when they fell, so the gentile offshoots will suffer the same problem.

It just means it is one one one with Christ to God, each of us will go through individual battles to be approved, just like Christ and everyone in the Bible. The “religious battles” are just here from Satan to draw energy to a futility to try to drain the endurance of the that battle this is individual with Satan.

John 1 also shows Jesus was alone so to speak, his very own people rejected him, it is a very lonely feeling, but Christ overcame it as we can too, by relying on God one on one. That is why he is the mediator in all ways from a person through him to God, he has gone thorugh it all, his people not only rejected him, they killed him.

So Christ knows what it is like to be rejected to the hilt.

So he is a “team player” with us and God as the team, God, Christ, the person. Everything else including futile religious squabblings, trials, lies, confusion, it all made the story of Christ go global, in spite of the difficulties.

But that is why he that conquers will get great eternal reward, and that is why Satan tries to break the team up. Humans end up joining religious teams in their heart, rather than God and Christ. What makes this assessment very realistic is that I am pickign on Jehovah’s witnesses, not Christians in general, because they are the big mouth high horse judges who should have known better.

And as a sign, what you shall see the JW org turn into is a zenith betrayal and hypocrisy being trampled by God, though as usual he will use secular legal authorities to raze the JW org, and many JWs will stumble, it will be a mass stumbling event to finalize Daniel 11:33-35, Daniel 11:41.

That Jehovah’s witnesses allowed tribal religious trust to creep in, it will have deadly consequences for some of them, and a wave of weeds will eb pushed out from JWs as well, they are a good scale and recent cell of corruption to make a global example of, because in time God shall judge all humanity in the world in the same manner, JWs are just a wake up call, it is going to get evry horrible for JWs and the JW org, I mean a catastrophic disaster, and God will allow it because JWs have sinned greatly against God and went UN NGO too boot and GB they venerate like gods.

So you shall see what God does to JW org because of this, it is not going to be pretty. But the JWs who are capable of being revived to repentance will be steel tacks, they will be ready for the final warning witnessing of the second of the “TWO witnesses”.

God has to let the cupcakes and weeds go, it is just the way all judgments of God go; to help prove this, Daniel 8:13-14 is timed for future verification.

The whole development in time turns into the final warning whose chapter one is the Matthew 24:15 destruction of the JW org apostasy, God may recover some semblance of the org, but not the GB and not to continue the follow of modern GB led JWs, that will be over without question, JW org will be rubbleized in the process.

The battle is the individual versus Satan, the aid is Christ to God.

The global context of Daniel 11:41-43 is the developments JW org is sacked with, so the global situation will look like “the end of the world” for real, but it is just the severe “sword stroke” that will continue and then heal into world government, in the process the final warning will manifest.

That is why God had to let JWs go off course so badly, its judgment provides a first global signal that this is really the truth of where we are in the final steps to Christ arrival, because he is triggered by a complete world government 8th King, AFTER it completes, and that takes like 15 more years or so.

In the meantime, religious controversy is to waste time and waste energy to divide and weaken the prey for Satan’s kill shot coming up. That is all religious arguments that go no where serve the purpose of unless we bend the battle it to the final warning war meaning.

JWs used to be doing that, now they are GB damage controllers. The GB scandal is just another dividing and weakening thing from Satan, for the JW herd is to fall upon in what is coming on JW org.

JWs will think it is “the end” but they will be 2Thess2:1-2 dead wrong, it is just the START of the final cycle to lead to the final warning to warn of world government completion triggering of Jesus Christ arrival.


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In reverse order:
9. God shows up with Christ, the end of “8th King” world government.
8. World Government rules Europe and the world…
7. Post  world-war  surrendered Russian Global NATO sphere of European sub-rule of world government over Europe. (See Global NATO global map)
6. NATO “solution” invited in to take Europe, exterminated Islam “door to door”, as  Middle East  taken as well, Islam defeated and extricated “door to door”.: first corporate religious target to be deposed by incoming to complete world  governemnt .
5. European “civil war” turned into religious and social chaos “problem” as world war starts and makes it all worse.
4. Euro elites arm and let the disgruntled  “Islam” super “pests” to “invade” into Europe on purpose.
3. War refugee plan deployed.
2. US/NATO destabilizes Middle East, GWOT
1. 911
I thought the Jews had to build the 3rd temple first? Then we will really see 2 billion  muslims  go ape-shit once the Al-Aqsa mosque is destroyed.
Well be careful. The ONLY thing the religious decoy sector can do is apply fake prophecy fulfilling too soon, with very real events that will look like the real prophecy and will fool many.
Islam has to go down with a vengeance, because the “Israel” and “Christian Crusade” props have to be the big ” victor ” so they can be used to lead people to the final “anti-Christ” world government system as they  seel  it to the duped as the “Kingdom of God” and before the real Christ arrives. That is why they have to promote decoy “prophecy fulfilled” first, if they waited too long, they would be too late to use these hoaxes to aid the 666 phase.
But in this play, after Israel and Christendom “harlot systems” sell the 666 Anti-Christ World Government system to the duped, as diminishing as religious influence will continue to be, they are slated for corporate extermination, because that 400 trillion can be put towards the international recovery effort in the form of on hand hard capital wealth.
Religions are very protective and secretive of their wealth, for example, most Jehovah’s witnesses do not realize their religious racket is weighing in at 30 BILLION dollars  now-a-days . But that is a drop in the bucket of religious corporate system wealth, it could be at 500 trillion, and it is safely guarded by the  religiosu  bean-counting “harlot” so it is a handy wealth-store to then tap to aid world government and their “golden age” “we have world peace” global-recovery phase.
In this way the world war is just the “big global problem”, orchestrated to “heal” (Rev13:3) into a “big global solution” of world government which postpones “doomsday” that seemed certain, and uses the hopeful psychological upswing momentum “big global reaction” to then sell the world government under monumentally global positive claims and conditions being made very real to aid world government acceptance. (as per Rev13:3 parallel Rev17:8-13)
That takes about 15 years or so from now to fully unwind. In the meantime allowing the Islam ” pest ” into the European social “kitchen” and elsewhere will  manke  the Global NATO “exterminator” call an obligatory demand. So the people will be inviting global NATO in to exterminate the “pests”, and thus they get two birds with one stone, they start the Islamelimination phase in earnest,  whiel  occupying the whole nation-state system in the self-same process.
Very smart way to get in by being invited and to arm and aid the Islam drones to come on in too, first, to aid the NATO extermination wave later.
But the goal is the “world peace” resolution to also help sell world government prior to Christ arrival. It will be so complete in this full running of the final cycle course, they will even end up deposing all  religons  of Earth, as far as those competing with old-school House Satanism, which all these elites practice in its most potent form.
The process is also a human sacrifice  phase,  because they have to pay the Devil in blood to secure the “world government blessing” from him. It is well  orchestarted  because the real masterminds are super-human, billions of years old, and very capable of manipulating the human systems they engineered in the first place to serve this final cycle purpose.
Good news is there is no such thing as “doomsday”, there is an operation against them from other super-humans to install Christ as King of the World, and remove the enemy system in a very selective manner, preserving many bystanders alive as future witnesses of these to be astounding events.
But before Christ “drops in”, of course, they have to cross the line, and that is defined by One World Government, the completion of the chief rival system against Christ’s guaranteed rulership. But, as this comes true, many can understand beforehand just what world government completion shall trigger, and thus increase chances of their survival, not just survival but the start of everlasting life.
Dragging it out in grand fashion like this helps many people come to the open salvation realization of the Rev14:6-7 guaranteed offer which some of them trillions of Christ angels will go forth and confront people with that offer by superhuman means. Those people go into Camp Protection, in time all those spared go under direct angelic protection, and the termination of the world government systems will then also complete at  global  scale, even universal because Satan and the angels with him are also incarcerated at that time.
Their removal alone will benefit the planetary life system the very second they are overpowered. (Heb2:14) But Christ is beyond just beneficial, when he comes roadkill will stand up quite alive to help clean up the mess he will leave of the world government and Global NATO boys.
Going to war with super-humans is never a good idea, but it is the only idea 666-globalists can think of. (Ps2)