February-October 2017

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Weird post, so I will respond in kind:

GB (Great Britain) does NOT work for the King of the North (Russia?), nor do they at this time want JW’s to be thrown into prison.

Your post lacks documentation and is not tenable.

Matthew 24:15 is good though (with context):

Matthew 24:13-16
13 But the one who has endured* to the end will be saved.+ 14 And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations,+ and then the end will come.

15 “Therefore, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken about by Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place+ (let the reader use discernment), 16 then let those in Ju·deʹa begin fleeing to the mountains.+

See Daniel’s prophecy of course.

Indeed God’s people have been fleeing to the valley protected by God’s two mountains, as in Daniel 2:35,44,45 – to wit:

Zechariah 14:3-9
3 “Jehovah will go out and war against those nations+ as when he fights in the day of a battle.+ 4 In that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives,+ which faces Jerusalem on the east; and the Mount of Olives will be split in half, from east* to west,* forming a very great valley; and half of the mountain will move to the north, and half of it to the south. 5 You will flee to the valley of my mountains, for the valley of the mountains will extend all the way to Aʹzel. You will have to flee, just as you fled because of the earthquake in the days of King Uz·ziʹah of Judah.+ And Jehovah my God will come, and all the holy ones will be with him.+

6 “In that day there will be no precious light+—things will be congealed.* 7 And it will become one day that is known as belonging to Jehovah.+ It will not be day, nor will it be night; and at evening time there will be light. 8 In that day living waters+ will flow out from Jerusalem,+ half of them toward the eastern sea*+ and half of them toward the western sea.*+ It will happen in summer and in winter. 9 And Jehovah will be King over all the earth.+ In that day Jehovah will be one,+ and his name one.+

Do you understand Daniel’s and Zechariah’s above prophecies?[/QUOTE]

Yes (it is the earthquake of Revelation 16:17-20, btw, parallel to Uzziah stricken JWs), but it is NOT as soon as JWs are being misled to think “the end” is, as per 2Thess2:1-2. You are being misled by the GB. (Dan8:12) You will be waiting for Christ until it is obvious he is not showing up as soon as you think he is due. And you have been told why well before your neck starts to get sore looking up, when he is due 2034, 2031, approximate.

For example, here is how you are being fooled by the KN-UN-NGO-GB….

In the end the 8th King identity must also be King North. BUT Russia is not who will win the “sword stroke” of Revelation 13:3, nor will they do a “new world order” but according to Revealtion 17:11-13 they will “give their power and authority to the KN wildbeast”.


If you have hope in Russia ruling the world as obviously you think that is what Daniel 11 is about you are sadly misled.

Russia is NOTHING compared to KN Global NATO, KNATO. Russia and China were distracted from military development to the NATO scale since after the Cold War and their trillions are being spent by the Globalist King North to aid world government endowment fund of 500 trillion dollars. The US throw in with the EU is about 250 trillion, BTG will throw in a good 400 trillion by that time and Russia and China will toss in 100 trillion.

WORLD GOVERNMENT IS >>>>NOT<<< CHEAP. before they can resume global “global warming” taxation on the corporations and the typical taxation on the people, the WORLD GOVERNMENT 1.0 BETA will require a good 200 trillion for the first 5 years, but it won’t last that long.

In the end, to the victors of Christ Kingdom and the earthlings of his, the spoils shall be divided evenly for all mankind. Isa 53, “and he will divide the spoils with the mighty ones”. (Joel 3:11)

Angels will come on down and join the big party when NATO is wiped out of existence forever.

JWs go down first as Daniel 8:13-14, they are big headed and need to be toppled by God from the high horse of snobbery and prophecy robbery with the Daniel 11:32a GB who covers for the real King North b y hiding their obvious GLOBALIST 8th King final identity since WW1, made official as Cold War victors “he will overcome the most fortified strongholds [like the USSR]” in 1990, for the third UN presentation which is Daniel 11:31, which the GB devils conceal to continue the JW charade prior to the required downfall judgment coming up to sweep the GB out of town.

JWs never have needed a GB, and never will. The GB is a big mistake as Fred Franz and Nathan Knorr fully warned.

You have a lot to catch up on soon, as do many JWs too. Be patient.

There is around 10,000 pages of “tenable evidence” growing daily. Soon you will see. It will be Daniel 8:13-14 as Revelation 8:1-8 first, it all repeats in final “two witnbesses” second witness form for a number of years prior to world government 8th King and the Christ arrival it shall trigger.




[QUOTE who=”pcloadletter”]<quoted text>
Are you worried that you’ve been wrong all along claiming Russia is NOT K.O.N.?

Personally, I don’t know that they are or are not K.O.N.

But I think you’ve been wrong to claim WT says Russia is K.O.N..

What they’ve said , that I’ve seen, is that whoever is Syria’s ally or possessor has historically been in k.o.n. position, and whoever is Egypt’s ally or owner [ or – in both cases , Syria and Egypt – something between ally and owner, but on that spectrum] has been King of the South.

KN-NATO will mop the floors with Russia AND China, GUARANTEED. From public research with just Wiki you can see Global NATO modern war potential is twice as big as Russia and China combined. It will be like two old pitbulls (named Russia and China), versus a 700 pound white tiger in his prime. NATO will rip Russia and China and nay comer, the whole Middle east, to pieces.

BUT, they will bide their time, they will play up thew world war to make it all like a movie, so the “happy ending” can “heal the sword stroke” and they can direct the accolades to wild beast world government under the most hopeful of global expectations, in around 15+ years.

Russia is in Daniel 11:27, “and NOTHING [nation-state based] will succeed”. As per Daniel 11:36c, the REAL KING NORTH “proves successful” all the way to Har Magedon climax conquest of God and Christ.

Be patient, I am not worried about this comprehensive wrap up. It is complete, it is what it is. It is JWs who need a “crash course” in final prophecy of modern times. JWs last update of any real note “Revelation interpretation completed, “Finished Mystery”) was in 1969.

THINK about it. I have been more than reasonable here in these matters. JWs have fallen behind and off track.

[QUOTE who=”pcloadletter”]<quoted text>
Are you worried that you’ve been wrong all along claiming Russia is NOT K.O.N.?

Personally, I don’t know that they are or are not K.O.N.

But I think you’ve been wrong to claim WT says Russia is K.O.N..

What they’ve said , that I’ve seen, is that whoever is Syria’s ally or possessor has historically been in k.o.n. position, and whoever is Egypt’s ally or owner [ or – in both cases , Syria and Egypt – something between ally and owner, but on that spectrum] has been King of the South.

WTBTS says USSR [was] King North. This allows Russia to complete the decoy operation to fool JWs to think this world war “sword stroke” is the end too soon.

The GB kept the USSR decoy in place to fool JWs to think this next world war is “the end”, because the JW hysterics will make them vulnerable to “WT directives as crazy as they may sound”.

As per Revelation 13:3 the coming final “sword stroke”, INSTEAD, heals into said 8th King world government and JWs will have to wake up (Zech4:1) and give the final warning BEFORE world government goes official.

As per Revelation 10:11 the “good news of the Kingdom” task is NOT complete yet. But JWs wish it was so the GB will tell them it is complete and it is the end.

BUT, that “the end” will NOT come as soon as JWs have been misled to believe. Daniel 8:13 comes instead.

JWs have been very naughty, now it is time to pay the piper. Wishing all is good will not cut it. The real “right condition” of Daniel 8:14 must be brought in by Zechariah 3 mega-events on the JW Org soon.

It is what it is, it will NOT go away it will get in the face of every JW on planet Earth very very soon. JWs are way off course, we don’t need do stinkin’ GB around, they are the big problem. The GB serve Satan, UN NGO too boot, leading JWs to accept the wildbeast.

So, something BIG is coming. (Matt24:15) I mean HUGE!!!!! JWs are lost, but not for long. After the bill is paid, JWs will be recovered and brought up to date fast. (Rev9, final form)

[QUOTE who=”93James”]<quoted text>
Lying JW!

NWT John 1 The word was a god.
I_know_better_now wrote:
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Jehovah is allowing this to refine his org and set the trap for the world. The more they feel comfortable to step on holy territory the more brazen they will behave. Kind of like a red sea before the crossing moment.
Lying JW!

NWT John 1 The word was a god.

What are you talking about? The judgment MUST begin with God’s house which is Jehovah’s witnesses camp now applicable to Rev8’s “Earth” because a 1/3 has gone way bad.

From that JW judgment the final warning begins where it started in that “YOU must prophesy to the nations again ” in Rev10:11 where it all leads.

The enemy is right where God wants them for Destroyer, IN his “house”. (Isa66:6)

Now the trap will spring first on UN NGO JW Org as Daniel 8:13-14, timed and phased for all the doubters out there like JWs.

Itsa comin’.

It comes with Daniel 11:41-43, but the Rev2:2 Liar GB will try to tell JWs it is Daniel 11:44 (and that the Ruskies are “King North”) until God fries the bad wood GB-n-1/3-Crew of Zechariah 3:2, Rev8:1-8.

It’s a mix of symbolic things with very real meaning. But the churches are grasping straws; as bad as JWs have plunged, they got one hundred up on the churchplex.

The main way God fooled the churches was by capitalizing on their bad corporate motives which breeds bean counter thinking in very non-abstract terms thereby the symbolisms JWs revealed (and have forgotten in many ways) in prophecy via the Fred Franz summary for the “first witness” of the TWO (Rev11:1-10), is how churches try the knee jerk first guess. Then, they stick to it as silly as the guess seems to those with opened eyes.

Thereby the churches await Godzilla in Revelation 13, and a flaming “rich man” and so on and so forth, resulting in a spiritually brain dead comatose overall mindset@church.

JWs problem is they have all the meanings but the GB stalled it from modern truthful commentary thereby stunting JWs into a similar dodo-bird coma with ZERO real updates since 1969.

The corporate malaise and sheepskin disguise is how both ships have sunk. Both joined the UN as UN NGO, but the UN was cool with keeping the churches in the club, JWs got kicked out due to “reproachful” press for the UN due to the scndal so the Secretary General approved of booting them pronto, 1991-2001.

But it is enough to define the literal “transgression causing desolation” to the JW Org pretty soon to start Daniel 8:13-14.


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Read heb 5:5 and psalms 2:7 the incarnation brought him to be called the begotten,and son……..was Jesus the first born of the Virgin Mary?……….that’s what I’m saying was he called firstborn twice begotten twice[/QUOTE]

The super-angelic God called Jesus nowadays was born 4 times, but only died twice; 1. to Heaven; 2. on Earth as perfect human sacrifice. This is because his spirit begetting from God in 29 CE at his baptism was a “reborn” “by holy spirit” status though its reality was after his death as the “indestructible life” form as the first immortal.

Now some people say God is “immortal” but really it is a moot point because God IS immortality, it is not a quality as in Jesus promoted to such a “superior position” BY GOD ALMIGHTY, it just is what God is by “nature”. God never has died directly nor was he ever “born”. Jesus was the exact representation of what God would do if he were a human or angel.

So, Christ last birth was to immortality as pattern for all beings who can make the grade up Satan Mountain and conquer the evil one by faith and action. The Christ human perfection is an “token of immortality” for humans in Revelation 22 using basic reasoning on that “Tree of Life”. But, first, Christ opens the door to spirit immortality which has to happen first to guide the rest of the “restore all things” and “re-generation” process in the physical world of earth planetary life system.

That is why Christ became the “last Adam” “life giving spirit”, it is for more than human but everything dying under human sin and the Genesis 1:26-28 planetary hierarchy.

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Where is all your biblical proof Jesus was born 4 times and died twice…….God made Angels….Angels didn’t make Angels….again erroneous …..where is your scripture

Has God the father became flesh to experience death……..all humans except Adam and Eve and Jesus ….had a human father that all inherited a sinful nature……Jesus father was God,which he inherited a sinless nature

God created and made one archangel. The ArchAngel “made” the rest by God’s creation life power. The logic is the ArchAngel “emptied himself” of life in heaven, he died to come to earth where he was born for the second time. Died once, born twice so far.

On earth at baptism he was “born again” by spirit, then died in perfect human sacrifice, and was reborn in final form as the Immortal Mighty God. Died twice, by that time born 4 times.

Very easy to add up in with basic logic. Now he is to become the Isaiah 9 “Eternal Father” to become the last Adamic father of all reborn human beings for the earth group, by his bride their mother to be.

But the reborns by holy spirit are fathered as Jesus was by God; they are all “first fruits” so God can guide the rest of the “restore ALL things” process through the Christ and his “bride” to re-create EVERYTHING, “ALL things” “made new”.

There are many Genesis 12 “families of the ground”. (Isa34:14-17; Rom8:18-22; Matt19:28; Ps133)

Nothing desires to die and as in Psalms God will “open his hand and satisfy the desire of every living thing”. (Eze47:9)

[QUOTE who=”GreatSouthbay4040″]<quoted text> Yaaaa… Ummmm. Hmmmmm. Yep….Okie dokie.

Are those repressed things Godly thoughts? Doesn’t tatoos cut the skin? Gee…..Why do tattoo artists have to wear gloves? Could they at times come into contact with droplets of blood depending on the depth of the tattoo or piercing?

Seriously……You nor anybody else can’t tell me with a straight face that God approves of this increasingly popular practice.


I am not saying he approves. What I am implying is that in ambiguous areas where Bethel has many “gnats to strain” defined we should let people take the GB training wheels off and use THEIR OWN conscience.

JWs have made the truth of Christ’s freedom a big drag of GB extortion to drain billions from JW wallets for Chase and Goldman Sach’s King North globalist world government endowment use.

Bethel did this by keeping the training wheels of invented guilt-trip laden conscience on TOO LONG. Now when JWs hit the downhill part of the race them training wheels shall be a dangerous impediment now. It is time to fly with our own wings and use our own conscience not the guilty GB’s.

You better smell the coffee, Daniel 8:13-14 is nigh. (1Pet4:17) JWs have allowed the truth to become an excuse for slavery to the GB Globalists of Daniel 11:32a, Daniel 8:12. The GB is bad, doomed, and the final man of lawlessness to be revealed and exposed with the final warning. (Rev10:11)

[QUOTE who=”GreatSouthbay4040″]<quoted text> Yaaaa… Ummmm. Hmmmmm. Yep….Okie dokie.

Are those repressed things Godly thoughts? Doesn’t tatoos cut the skin? Gee…..Why do tattoo artists have to wear gloves? Could they at times come into contact with droplets of blood depending on the depth of the tattoo or piercing?

Seriously……You nor anybody else can’t tell me with a straight face that God approves of this increasingly popular practice.


I am not saying he approves. What I am implying is that in ambiguous areas where Bethel has many “gnats to strain” defined we should let people take the GB training wheels off and use THEIR OWN conscience.

JWs have made the truth of Christ’s freedom a big drag of GB extortion to drain billions from JW wallets for Chase and Goldman Sach’s King North globalist world government endowment use.

Bethel did this by keeping the training wheels of invented guilt-trip laden conscience on TOO LONG. Now when JWs hit the downhill part of the race them training wheels shall be a dangerous impediment now. It is time to fly with our own wings and use our own conscience not the guilty GB’s.

You better smell the coffee, Daniel 8:13-14 is nigh. (1Pet4:17) JWs have allowed the truth to become an excuse for slavery to the GB Globalists of Daniel 11:32a, Daniel 8:12. The GB is bad, doomed, and the final man of lawlessness to be revealed and exposed with the final warning. (Rev10:11)

[QUOTE who=”GreatSouthbay4040″]<quoted text> Yaaaa… Ummmm. Hmmmmm. Yep….Okie dokie.

Are those repressed things Godly thoughts? Doesn’t tatoos cut the skin? Gee…..Why do tattoo artists have to wear gloves? Could they at times come into contact with droplets of blood depending on the depth of the tattoo or piercing?

Seriously……You nor anybody else can’t tell me with a straight face that God approves of this increasingly popular practice.


I am not saying he approves. What I am implying is that in ambiguous areas where Bethel has many “gnats to strain” defined we should let people take the GB training wheels off and use THEIR OWN conscience.

JWs have made the truth of Christ’s freedom a big drag of GB extortion to drain billions from JW wallets for Chase and Goldman Sach’s King North globalist world government endowment use.

Bethel did this by keeping the training wheels of invented guilt-trip laden conscience on TOO LONG. Now when JWs hit the downhill part of the race them training wheels shall be a dangerous impediment now. It is time to fly with our own wings and use our own conscience not the guilty GB’s.

You better smell the coffee, Daniel 8:13-14 is nigh. (1Pet4:17) JWs have allowed the truth to become an excuse for slavery to the GB Globalists of Daniel 11:32a, Daniel 8:12. The GB is bad, doomed, and the final man of lawlessness to be revealed and exposed with the final warning. (Rev10:11)
[QUOTE who=”jad2017″]<quoted text>

You cannot come up with this on your own. You did not read the Bible and learn this. Some MAN taught this to you. It is clear you trust in men led by devils. If you want to save you soul….disappear somewhere away from all spiritual influence in your life….and just read the Bible. The word, the Bible, is all you need.

Nope. Revelation 1:1 taught me. The Bethel Boys from Brazil have not said anything new since 1969, and they did not go into detail on Michael. The final summary has to come out with extra Michael information.

But, as some are aware, Michael information is not central to salvation in its rather peripheral features, but it does not hurt to know these details, that is for sure.

Obviously the Bible has NOT been enough for you, but it is your own fault if you repented fully the Bible would sink in deeper. The problem is always our own, NOT the Bible the perfect Word of God.

But as per Revelation 14:6-8 you got 17 years, so don’t wait, but don’t freak out but know you got more to do as we all do. Come on down from the high horse or God will kick us down, guaranteed.

[QUOTE who=”jad2017″]<quoted text>

17 years huh? Well at least I know now that God won’t return by then..just to show what deception you are under. Please, remember when those 17 years have passed, that there were some trying to help you. [/QUOTE]

JW Org goes down in a temple judgment desolation for the UN NGO and other “transgression causing desolation” of Daniel 8:13 for a peak 1150 days of “evening” darkness. (Dan8:14,26) That starts soon, that’ll be your first sign.

Even JWs will take a few years to finally admit our sins. From there the “second witness” of the TWO witnesses will emerge in the “right condition” temple status of Daniel 8:14 and Zech3:4-5 to head up the last warning and Rev14:6-8 open salvation offer.

You will be free to accept that offer like anyone else. The prophecy will not fail, it will come on Bible indicated final Christ Memorial arrival timing of Rev11:2-3, Dan12:7, Dan7:25, Rev12:14, Rev13:5 and Daniel 12:11. (Rev11:7-12)

You can start getting ready early. This will NOT go on “forever” in the current global state of affairs, world government will be a big sign in about 15 years. The JW downfall coming up is the first sign, the one of 2Thess2:1-4. (Zech3:3)

Everyone makes mistakes with God’s hidden treasure map. BUT, in time what JWs have correct will go into a final refinement and final proof phase with a 100% summary of Revelation 10:5-8, in complete detail and JWs will be judged as Daniel 8:13-14 and have to make that final announcement.

JWs are only half done, there must be a “second witness” of the TWO witnesses of Rev11, IN THE FUTURE to emerge from the JW Org downfall for many GB led sins.

[QUOTE who=”I_know_better_now “]The early intended purpose of Israel was to be the chosen nation of kings and priests.. But then it was extended to the nations because of the failure of Israel to obey Jehovah.[/QUOTE]

Everyone but Christ fails, but admitting it is a success.

Satan and the demons failed.

Adam and Eve failed.

Israel failed.

Christendom failed.

So how would JWs omehow avoid the truth we too have FAILED?

We must admit it fast and get ready for the cleansing of the temple, there is no avoiding the “default setting” of Adamic man and its REQUIRED fails.

Apostasy is allowed by God because by the judgemnt he:

1. Fulfills what will be, as in 1914, VERY explicit and specifically TIMED prophecy. (Dan8:13-14=Rev8:1-8, this time)

2. He sets the ministry straight so the Christian purpose is taken up with new zeal.

Thus, as bad as UN NGO apostasy is, it is foretold and it results in a judgment which will set the final warning in order.

JWs cannot escape Adamic destiny of failure, except by ADMISSION and then full REPENTANCE and then we have to GITTERDONE. (Rev10:11)

This is all true because God always provides the true reason why apostasy surfaces and what is expected by Christian witnesses AFTER the judgment. 3.19 years of blackout (Rev9; Dan8:14,26) is what comes next in which “night” “no man can work”.

But it starts the “tribulation of those days” which will be so big (but finite) the world will get 4 plagues of a wake up call TOO. JWs get the first 4 trumpets.

To keep the faith it must be guarded. JWs got to busy GBing, went UN NGO, now all is >almost< lost.

hence, Daniel 8:13-14 coming up next.

If you have the faith, expect hell to keep it. JWs went softopotomous. (Zech3:3)

But, the good news is the KN GB would not be “in the temple” (2Thess2:3-4) as per Daniel 11:32a if they was no truth there to be subverted as per Daniel 8:12.

That is the only consolation at this time, the wayward JW trajectory means the temple judgment of 1Peter4:17 is next as Revelation 8:1-8 second/final cycle and Daniel 8:13-14 and Zechariah 3:1-5 parallel Malachi 3:1-5.

Had JWs not gone bad we would not know this at this time. It is a big signal for those awake, which are few.
[QUOTE who=”EL Cacique-GSB”]<quoted text> Raymond Franz is no hero. Raymond Franz rebelled against his brothers and possibly lost out on the most special privilege there exists anywhere in the universe if it is indeed accurate that he was one of the spiritually anointed. None of us know. Only Jehovah and his son.

But, if one is of the school of thought that that the GB is erring. Then one might fault Ray Franz as much as the rest.
I cannot speak for FH Chandler. But, if i’m not mistaken, i do believe that is his stance. I’m sure he will soon clear that up once he sees this thread.

When things didn’t go Ray Franz’s way is when he decided to write the book. The only thing i can say in his defence ( for lack of a better term at this moment. I really don’t see him in any light to defend whatsoever)…….Nevertheless, as i was stating. The only thing i can look at him in a sorta somewhat favorable light is that he could have gotten a setllement fro them. He didn’t accept so much as a paltry stipend which was offered to him.

Instead he wrote a book for financial profit according to HIS view and proceeded to rip his brothers and the organization apart.

If he truly was one of the anointed? (Again, only Jehovah and his son Jesus Christ knows)…..Then woe be unto him. His fate then is in ‘extremely dangerous’ waters.

Non-sense. the GB rebelled against God, threw Fred Franz, ray Franz and nathan Knorr to the curb, and used Ray Franz as a distraction so JWs would not see the GB for the rotheads they are.

Ray Franz was going to assign 607 BCE to Babylon preserving the 70 year seven times on babylon whom it applies to Daniel 4:21, then he was going to slide up the Jerusalem Temple destruction to 587 BCE for its 517 BCE COMPLETION in also SEVEN TIMES as seventy years.

Think that is all coincidence that also removes the Bethel stumbling block glitch from the 607-1914 truth?

Well, it is coming out anyways, over the GB’s dead body. (Isa66:6)

Ray Franz will be officially exonerated soon. JWs are going down until they repent; (Dan8:13-14) and then fess up to the screw job. God is NOT happy with JWs. (Zech3:3) JWs are sucking on GB sugar plums at the moment.

[QUOTE who=”sidgi”]<quoted text>

As this is a thread about faith, where do you derive yours from? What is your faith in? Is it in your own understanding of things, or God’s inspired statements? And where do you get the specifics? I’ve read the bible a few times, and I’ve yet to see such detail as you present. [/QUOTE]

Well you gotta go to the source when it first begins. Obviously JW GB has dropped the ball to such a degree hungry sheep are searching for answers to questions the symptoms of the system have now been posing EN MASSE.

The GB is only a “source” of loose conduct and apostasy and reproach.

So as per Luke 21:25, there will be SIGNS from the system’s own “light” hierarchy of sun, moon and stars. The signs are financial corruption, roaring seas of protest, military teasing world war, and so on.

There are millions of “signs” and ZERO GB comment since even UN 1990, Global NATO coining or 911. So, they want to fool JWs to think Russia will be King North thereby teasing the “it has to be the end of the world already, already” crowd to loose endurance of Matthew 24:13 and NOT complete the good news of Matthew 24:14 and Rev10:11.

So, people’s hopes for Christ arrival are what Satan uses to make people think the end is sooner than it actually is as per plain as day 2Thess2:1-2

Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you, brothers,[a] 2 not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by a spirit or a spoken word, or a letter seeming to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. (or is right around the corner)

That real warning WILL come, BUT ONLY AFTER the modern GB led apostasy has been FULLY revealed and exposed.

Such a revelation means the JW Org must fall with the judgment. It may come back, but in the “right condition” of Dan8:14:

An attacker advances against you, Nineveh (KN-JW Land; Rev8:9). Guard the fortress, watch the road, brace yourselves, marshal all your strength!

The “fortress” may be guarded by God as Zech 9:8, but the dirty GB will be going with the apostasy of Daniel 11:32a they lead.

It is so plain as day ONLY the dirty GB can be the reason why JWs refuse to see, they love their ugly pretty boys.

[QUOTE who=”sidgi”]<quoted text>

That’s a lot of words, to just say…… your own imagination, don’t you think? So, does that mean that you only have faith in yourself? Or does it mean that you don’t have faith in anything? Just clarifying, if it is possible for you to do that. This thread is about faith, after all.


It is patterns present in the world that you and the GB choose NOT to investigate. It is obviously patterns in modern prophecy being silenced by slick soundless knobs who lock the doors on light when it is needed satisfied with their stalled state.

Faith in God means faith in prophecy because it must fulfill anyways regardless of the stalled. We are at the threshold of the epic final Revelation and global cycle to result in world government, as good as waking the Lion of the Universe, the real King whose announcement shall precede the big game.

Stallers are why JWs are now also stalled and off-course.

[QUOTE who=”Tony Price 77″]I have a question for JWs. How can Hebrews 1:10:

>And: “At the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the works of your hands.<

and which is a quote of Psalm 102:25:

>Long ago you laid the foundations of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of your hands.<

be applied to Jesus?

Well, here is the official JW answer.

In an article called: “Trinity” at wol.jw.org, in the section called: “Application to Jesus Christ by inspired Bible writers of passages from the Hebrew Scriptures that clearly apply to Jehovah” it says:

>Why does Hebrews 1:10-12 quote Psalm 102:25-27 and apply it to the Son, when the psalm says that it is addressed to God? Because the Son is the one through whom God performed the creative works there described by the psalmist. (See Colossians 1:15, 16; Proverbs 8:22, 27-30.) It should be observed in Hebrews 1:5b that a quotation is made from 2 Samuel 7:14 and applied to the Son of God. Although that text had its first application to Solomon, the later application of it to Jesus Christ does not mean that Solomon and Jesus are the same. Jesus is “greater than Solomon” and carries out a work foreshadowed by Solomon.—Luke 11:31.<

Okay, so if the Watchtower Society is saying that just because the Psalm 102:25 text had it’s first application to Jehovah, and that that doesn’t mean that the later application of Hebrews 1:10 to Jesus means that Jehovah and Jesus are the same, then if “the Son is the one through whom God performed the creative works there described by the psalmist”… then how can the Hebrews 1:10/Psalm 102:25 text be applied to Jesus if Jesus is not the one who actually “laid the foundations of the earth,” and if the heavens are not actually “the works of [Jesus’] hands”? Because in the text at Hebrews 1:10, Jesus is getting the credit for those creative works… is he not?

Plus, being an agent of… or someone through whom something is accomplished doesn’t mean that the agent is the one who actually gets credit for the work in the way that Psalm 102:25-27 is giving Jehovah the credit for those creative works.

Even a Watchtower quote that I posted in another thread brought this out:

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-witness/T4T1LLNIN3UGGH4EU/p3#c51 (reply #51)

Plus, Newtonian confirmed this in the same thread in replies #64 and #65:



The Son is named Michael which means WHO is like God, not as a question, but a statement of quality.

Now being like God and being God are still two different things, but among created beings like the Son, angels and man, Michael, aka Jesus, is as close to God in power and understanding as anyone can get.

We expect perfection from God Himself, but for it to be present in something he made is another statement in itself, so Christ is the reality of that statement so the accusation of Satan cannot stand long because Christ defeated the liar.

Now, as soon as humans as a whole catch on, then the battle can go into its final phase. This is why a created being has to be likened to God to grant faith that ANYONE can defeat the liar Satan IF desired to do so, because Christ is the example.

It makes it more real. To those who doubt nothing is real, so it is difficult for them to imagine. But, it is what it is.

[QUOTE who=”DocBob”]I raised this in another thread, but thought it should be it’s own.

In the 11/15/2013, the “faithful slave” writes:

“At that time, the life-saving direction that we receive from Jehovah’s organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint. All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not. ”

ANY instruction? For the real JWs here, is there anything they would tell you to do that you would refuse? Examples?[/QUOTE]

“At that time…All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not. ”

At that time? It’s ALREADY sounding CRAZY; AT THIS TIME.

This is NOT good, hence the Matthew 24:15 command of Christ to flee the “city of murderers” of GB Beth Hell; Matt22:1-14.

LEAVE TODAY. You WILL be glad you did “at that time”.

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Heb 2:5……..who has God the father put in charge of the world to Come…….obviously it not a angel temple


Jesus never was an “angel”. He is the “ArchAngel” Ancient-Angel, Super-Angel, for there is only one “Archangel”; being such it should be capitalized.

Archangel is a whole different kind of creature, he is the basis of Cherubim and Seraphim and who knows how many other angelic types.

Super-Angel is what Archangel was, but now Christ is Immortal Mighty God too boot. Better than just a Super-Angel. But as Super-Angel all creation has already been subjected to Michael aka Christ.29.CE, his sacrifice just gave opportunity to make it all Revelation 4-5 OFFICIAL in two forms, in UPGRADED IMMORTAL Manner as per Hebrews 7:

1. 1914=King in God’s Kingdom;

2. Future=Messianic Kingdom final King of the World and Universe. (1Cor15:24-28);

Now he is dropping in around 2034. All they gotta do is complete world government then the fur will fly.

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Heb 2:5……..who has God the father put in charge of the world to Come…….obviously it not a angel temple


Jesus never was an “angel”. He is the “ArchAngel” Ancient-Angel, Super-Angel, for there is only one “Archangel”; being such it should be capitalized.

Even then, Archangel is a whole different kind of creature (Col2:3), he is the basis of Cherubim and Seraphim and who knows how many other angelic types, he is all angel patterns in one tamale.

Super-Angel is what Archangel was, but now Christ is the Immortal Mighty God too boot. Better than just a Super-Angel now, also immortal, King and God (Mighty, not Almighty).

But as Super-Angel all creation has already been subjected to Michael aka Christ.29.CE, his sacrifice just gave opportunity to make it all Revelation 4-5 OFFICIAL in two forms, in UPGRADED IMMORTAL Manner as per Hebrews 7:

1. 1914=King in God’s Kingdom;

2. Future=Messianic Kingdom final King of the World and Universe. (1Cor15:24-28);

Now he is dropping in around 2034. All they gotta do is complete world government then the fur will fly.

This way “everything will be alive” (Eze47:9) under his Ezekiel 47 rule.

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Look the trouble future predictions have the Wtbts been into…a evil generation looks for a sign…..

The “sign” Bethel taught was the “this generation” debacle. That gets tossed with the bath water, easy to fix when the GB is done in by God. The GB is the ONLY thing keeping JWs in sin and stall.

The rest can be fixed and improved in the final warning summary of Rev10:11. It will come, be patient. Hopefully by then you will catch on.

The truth is the truth, the GB stumbling blocks are not in line with truth so God will sweep the whole viper pit away as isa28:21, soon as Daniel 8:13-14.

JWs go down hard for 1150 days, 3.19 years, that “sign of Jonah” will be given, it is prophecy and a sign for the whole world.

You can watch some of it on CNN.

[QUOTE who=”TLC”]I am a bereavement coordinator with a hospice company. I have noticed that most often JW patients decline chaplain care and also the family ends up declining bereavement care. Where I work our chaplains DO NOT proselytize at all…they merely walk with the patient in their faith at the end of life. What can we do to serve our JW patients better as chaplains and bereavement coordinators?[/QUOTE]

Well first off don’t show up when people are dying. It makes it seems like without this lame sinner “chaplain” (who never came by when the person was alive, btw) the dying person will just have to go to a flaming hell because they needed to accept the near sinless hand of this actor hypocrite, as well meaning as he/she/it may be.

The JW GB, lawyers, politicians and the clergy (like the JW GB), as a well known example, are all in the same club of reluctant-transparency only others can see, no one trusts them everyone knows the hypocrite that lay well concealed within. Now if you are actually sincere you have to just plod on as a “Soldier of the Lord” and bear the reproach these predecessors of these industries have built up in the last few decades, most of it after 1940.

Hypocrites (even if merely perceived), showing up to guide one “to heaven” is very disturbing to those who see through the charade. It’s a bad joke. With all due respect, just go to the back of the building, have a smoke, and let the REAL Lord handle it; no one needs some make-believe fool to help them make it to the Lord. THAT is why more than just JWs cringe when the see a “man of the cloth” who may just pick pocket the dead just as much as any other stranger. (John10)

Now I am not speaking for JWs but I was associated with that before it went south, they worship the UN and the GB and pack pedophiles, I am talking generalities about chaplain looming for souls nearing death, they are NO comfort at all, they have been at it longer than the JW GB, but are peas of the same black pod many can SEE plain as day. They prey on the dead, not pray for the dead. Same old story really.

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Look st Daniel 10:13 Michael is one of the chief princes,plural, not singular……..the bible only name 1 arch angel…sure doesn’t mean there isn’t more……..how many angels are there and only a few name….so that logic is unfounded…………..
The super angel as you say didn’t even stand up to Satan in Jude…….yet Jesus did…….
Jesus was involved in creation psalms 33:6…..Jesus accepted prayer acts 7:59,john 14:14…….reads the hearts of man ark 2:8,Matt 12:25….yet only God know the hearts of man 1kings: 8:39……….he raised himself from the grave john 2:19,john 10:18.

Show me 1 scripture that Michael can do the above things that Jesus can do…..
All things that were made that was made was made through and for him col.1:15-17……that includes arch Angels…….all the Angels in heaven don’t bow down to another angel….that would be idolatry……….show me Michael received worship……Jesus did……….show me Michael did maricles….Jesus did……….show me Michael is call God…..Jesus is heb 1:8,john 20:28……..

Chief princes and Archangel are not the same thing. For example, in Revelation 12 the Archangel is the “crown of the woman” the chief princes are the “twelve stars”. Michael is the only King who “stands up” into power in Daniel 12, not Penuel nor Gabriel or any of the others but Michael alone.

He is the only one called “Archangel”. It becomes clear as day in Daniel 12 he is a super-angel, now an immortal God made such by God Almighty. He did not stand up to Satan in an “abusive terms” manner but said may Jehovah rebuke you. This shows self control because he could cut Satan into little bitty pieces, so he showed divine restraint. But come Number 24:17 time of Genesis 3:15 decree of God Almighty, he will squash Satan and the demons like so many potato bugs, they are nothing to him.

The time is coming to settle the score, not just “restoring all things” but justice too. No one gets off scot free. Michael as in Heb 1:6 only receives angelic worship after God “AGAIN brings in his first born into the inhabited earth”.

“”And when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says, “AND LET ALL THE ANGELS OF GOD WORSHIP HIM.””

Michael is the only-begotten “firstborn” Christ of God.

His truth of being goes on forever. Just accept it, it is what it is.

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You’re just making that up because why doesn’t Hebrews 1:13-14 specify any of that? But instead, if what YOU are saying is true, then what Hebrews 1:13-14 says only serves to confuse people.


People fail to realize who Hebrews was written for:


Hebrews KNEW Michael in Assyria and Egypt. They KNEW God was addressing THE Archangel. So, the context needs no background for the Hebrews, they knew Daniel 12, they knew not any trinities or other confusing myths common today which make people miss the point of Hebrews by the first paragraph.

Think like an ancient Hebrew, like David, and you will understand more easily who Michael is, the Destroyer who came on Egypt and Assyria one night just like he will on the JW GB and the temple trespassers now ruining the Jehovah’s witnesses ministry.

He is “The King” Apollyon, Abaddon of Revelation 9 (5th/6th trumpets) and the 5th plague too.

Time to connect the dots Tony.

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I am not questioning God’s prophecies, nor am invoicing the GB, whatever that is to you, I am asking if your faith is in your imagination or nothing at all? You have said anything of note, except things related to your own imagination.What you relate as explanation of the prophecies you refer to, isn’t relevant to evidence of realities though not beheld, in terms of Godly things. And so the question, what is it that you place your faith in; tour own imaginings, or nothing at all?

You don’t seem to mind putting your unintelligible ramblings out there for perusal, so I didn’t figure that you would mind placing the somewhat less challenging truth of your stand out there also.


Imagination has nothing to do with it. The prophecy means something and in time God explains it the way he always has. Not with angels, or stones on the ground though he could, but through human beings. (2Pet 1:19)

“””We also have the prophetic message as something completely reliable, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.

Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things.

For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.”””

It is what it is. If it is from man it will fail, if it is from God it will come to be. Very simple.

When Daniel 8:13-14 hits JW Land you won’t be able to deny it, and the rest comes in the following 15 years after that judgment now required to bring in the “right condition” which JWs have lost by the Daniel 8:12, Daniel 11:32a GB.

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Law firms can do what they can to get money. Religion, as some see it, won’t stop until the final end.[/QUOTE]

Well the WT teaches religion BTG is attacked first. But you are actually the one who is correct, BTG must go down while riding complete world government 8th King King North.

Plain logic is probably how you see it aided by holy spirit. The GB will go down with the JW Org, but God will more than likely emerge in final form from JW mouths as the “second witnessing” of Kingdom of the TWO witnesses and TWO Kingdoms; God’s Kingdom and Christ’s Messianic Kingdom which latter is the one sanctioned by God to rule this world. (Rev11:18)

Many will be saved, “a tenth the city”, from the BTG downfall; (Rev11:13; Rev14:6-8)

JWs need to widen out and speak the total truth of Revelation 14:6-8 salvation, OPEN SALVATION OFFERED TO ANYONE WILLING AT THAT TIME about 15-17 years from now.

There is time, not much, but enough. (Dan8:14+Rev11:3+Dan12:11)
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Well, at least I know that even though you claim that you are no longer a JW… you still have ‘JW-mind-think’ in your brain. Because actually, instead of me watching 100 “Forensics Files” shows so that I won’t be so naive as to whether or not people seem bad, it took me years to get ‘JW-mind-think’ out of my brain where I looked at all other people of various religious persuasions as being bad people, simply because Jehovah’s Witnesses said so.

Therefore, perhaps you are the one who needs to ‘recondition’ their mind, TempleMicrowave.

Also, I want to forewarn you of the diabolical monsters that you will see if you click on the video below. Because even at one time, I viewed nuns as being evil, all because JWs said so:


I agree with you. I just lump sum all man as Adamic sinners first. I only retain the truths of prophecy God gave JWs, it is highly advanced even if stalled in 1969 level of progress. But more is coming.

I don’t have a JW mindset because I rejected the corporate CEOs who run the place as a bUNcha hypocrite fakes of Revelation 2:2.

You will NOT find anything any better in some other religion, they are all now the same. But you will find “my people”, that is God’s people even in BTG as hinted at in Revelation 18:4; we already know not all of “God’s people” will leave BTG until after it falls on them, but they can be saved too. (Rev14:6-8; Rev11:13)

But, again, many devils are in all religions including JWs and churches and so on. Same old story.

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1The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth. The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss. 2When he opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss….

JESUS is not a fallen star…..abaddon is demonic[/QUOTE]

Yes Jesus is the “bright morning star” who came down from heaven and died on earth even falling into hades for 3 days.

Jehovah’s witnesses went into the abyss in 1918 for the “3.5 days” symbolic death state which equated to a 9 month period from indictment, to meet the symbol.

When Daniel 8:13 events form the anti-JW 8:14 “evening” timing of Daniel 8:26 phases of temple judgment they will go into “abyss” for 3.19 years.

When Michael the Destroyer comes to open the abyss with his “key” having authority over God’s judgment of this wayward crew of JWs by GB lead he will destroy the GB and release JWs to the final warning work of the 2nd witnessing.

Now the fifth plague forms a “kingdom is darkened” on the KN 8th King boys because Michael will also put out the lights of key Illuminators in the world government camp darkened by also the final warning promises of God that they will soon be done.

It’s to be the same guy, but he fell now he “stands up” in final form (Dan12:1) as Messianic King in addition to King in God’s Kingdom.

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the point is, God doesn’t show His face. No one can see Him coming. That is why signs have been given. Men can see the signs. They see the fulfillment of prophecy in retrospect, or as it occurs, if it is dynamic. That is why it is called prophetic language. That is why faith is important. Faith in God, not in men. The more faith one has in God, the sooner one can pick up on the signs.

Those supposed time periods you relate have no meaning. No one knows the day and hour. The time periods in the bible, relate to the signs given, and the furthest out any go, for the end time, is less than 4 years, so what you relate has to be from your own uninspired imaginings.

God’s chosen are literal Israel. Those of the nations who have responded to Him have to be grafted in. None of that has changed. The presumptions of men don’t have a thing to do with reality. If you can’t see that, you can’t see anything of worth, so that would make you a false prophet. A true prophet only relates what God has told him to relate, where prophecy is concerned, or what he can see, in regards to the fulfillment of things that can be seen. If the light in you is darkness, how great that darkness is.

Matthew 6:

The lamp of the body is the eye. If, then, your eye is simple, your whole body will be bright… but if your eye is wicked, your whole body will be dark. If in reality the light that is in you is darkness, how great that darkness is

Unfortunately, you are relying on YOUR OWN ideas concerning prophecy.

Revelation 1:1 reads “The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. ” [in detail]

So, IF you are a “servant of Christ” and God you WILL know “what >>must<< SOON take place”. Soon to humans and SOON to Christ are of course relative but 2000 years has passed so it is SOON on all radars.

We do not know “the day or the hour”, the month and year is close enough for rock and roll of Isaiah 24:1. JW Temple Judgment Daniel 8:14 timing, first, gets everyone on page one and leads to Revelation 11:3 timing 1260 days final warning, final witnessing of the “TWO witnessings” of Revelation 11.

We know what month Christ left in is the same one he returns in (no brainer), in final form Memorial Grande, plus minus 2034. To determine 2024, we know the 120 years (Gen6:3) and last “week” of Genesis 7:4 (warning herding of animals to ark) can be aligned with the last “week” of the 1260 days and 1290 days and the spirit of Daniel 9:26 where the salvation provision of the covenant will be “in force” for people for the last “half of the week” as it merges into Revelation 14:6-8 global salvation call of the angels of Christ. Genesis 7:4 is the many people “herding” to the Ark of the Christ Salvation when this gets in your face clear as day in the coming YEARS; not many, but enough.

The “cease gift offering” at the “half of the week” is the fact the second witnessing is CEASED (Rev11:7-10; Dan12:11) by world government in the 1260 days conclusion, “half of the [seven year] week” and leads to the 1290 days Final OPEN SALVATION Period to be known to man for this final epic period.

Thus, we KNOW Daniel 12:11’s 1290 days is when Christ arrives as Revelation 11:11-12, Matthew 24:29-31, Rev14:1-7, etc, at the said “half of the week” composed of the 1260 and 1290 days as a seven year final “week” marked period of prophecy which prelude is the JW Temple Judgment and timing of Daniel 8:13-14, first, then the 1260, then the 1290.

We are very close to Daniel 8:13 coming on apostate JW organization and it will be so big some of it will be on CNN. (Zech3:4-5, Rev8:1-8 parallel)

When that starts JWs get the Isaiah 38, 15 year, extension for final eventual final warning purposes to contain the Daniel 8:14 (3.19 yr), Rev11:3 (3.5 yr) and Dan12:11 (3.5 yr) timings which are 3.19 years (Dan8:14), 3.5 years (Rev11:3) and 3.5 years (Dan12:11) in approximate but close enough terms to meet the salvation pattern as noted in Revelation 1:1, but made specific by said timed prophecy order.

In time, you will no longer be able to live in the denial provided by YOUR OWN ideas. Get ready. Therefore the final 1290 days is the period Christ arrives in when the criteria of Daniel 12:11 and Rev11:7-10 is COMPLETE, and the whole “half the week” of that remaining 1290 days will be OPEN FOR SALVATION to ANY HUMAN who observes the offer of Revelation 14:6-8 honestly. (Matt25:31-40)
That is how we KNOW “the things which MUST take place SOON”. (Rev1:1) The guesswork and peanut gallery you are now experiencing will not do for long.

When that starts JWs get the Isaiah 38, 15 year, extension for final eventual final warning purposes to contain the Daniel 8:14 (3.19 yr), Rev11:3 (3.5 yr) and Dan12:11 (3.5 yr) timings which are 3.19 years (Dan8:14), 3.5 years (Rev11:3) and 3.5 years (Dan12:11) in approximate but close enough terms to meet the salvation pattern as noted in Revelation 1:1, but made specific by said timed prophecy order.

In realtion to the 15 years of Isaiah 38 and the 10 approximate of the 3.19, 3.5, and 3.5 years of Daniel 8:14+Rev11:3+Dan12:11 we have some time before Daniel 8:14 starts, we have a 3.19 year possible recovery “the morning” of Daniel 8:14,26 and we have a “3.5 days death state” between the 1260 days and the 1290 days.

We do not know if the 1260 ends in 2034, or the 1290 ends in 2034 as of now. But it is close enough. If the 1260 days ends in 2034 we got more fuzzy time for transitions. If the 1290 days ends in 2034 we got more time, but it is ALL, the whole seven year “week”, open for salvation to the sheep and even newbie sheep and ignorant-of-being-sheep sheep.

It is the global “sheep sweep” that starts at Christ arrival IN the 1290 days slightly active as Daniel 12:11, Matthew 24:31 meaning.

We do not know the “day or hour” but what we do know is close enough as willed by God who knows the quantum split second of the Christ entry into Earth’s atmosphere and land.
Trump: Churches Get Back in the Beast Saddle Please!
It is a reminder for the churches to get more squarely seated on the wildbeast so JWs can ride side saddle as UN NGO too. This can then lead smoothly into world government endorsements like JWs gave the 3rd UN event of 1990 as UN NGO rather than tell people it was the Daniel 11:31 prophecy.

All eyes must be squarely on Trump for a special reason, and now he is making sure the churches are fully “on board”. On the Scarlet Wildbeast is the bumper sticker which reads “Religion on Board” in a yellow triangle.

JWs see nothing, know nothing, and speak nothing like the KN GB of Daniel 11:32a. (Daniel 8:13-14 comes on JWs soon, with the Trump and global event kickstart in a little while)
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Curtjester – good post as usual.

Indeed, being loyal subjects of the Kingdom of God rather than…[/QUOTE]

Stop right there.

Joining the “Wildbeast especially for Organizations” is NOT being loyal buddy. Who you think you guys are fooling? >Only< JWs are fooled. (Dan11:32a; Matt24:15)

It must be nice living a stubbornly persistent sugary plum dream with all of Christendom. But, the bubble shall be popped, JWs shoulda, coulda, woulda known better.

This Daniel 8:13 “TRANSGRESSION causing desoaltion” [to the JW ministry] divine judgment will be especially heavy due to the severity of JWs hopping aboard the beast, it will be Daniel 8:13-14, we better have faith.

The GB cannot deliver you. (Isa28; Zech3:5; Isa66:6) Only Christ the Destroyer can deliver the ministry. (Rev9; Zech9:8)

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Wow… Now you sound just like a JW because I remember them learning that in the 70s from a little orange book. 🙂



Well, its not like the whole mountain of truth JWs have made known is all wrong. We just have to toss the dirty GB bathwater, BUT BUT BUT KEEP the baby truth who will grow up upon the JW downfall of Daniel 8:13-14.

When you see that fall, and you will, it is what we call the “Temple Judgment”. The “house of God” is where God begins all judgment CYCLES and all of them lead to more truth.

So much in fact has passed in other judgment cycles it makes up 25% or so of what JWs spoke of since 1914 and half of it is the theme of the whole 1914-1918 basis of JW truth teaching because it was the FIRST judgment cycle of our era.

BUT just as there was a judgment with the “first witnessing” of them TWO witnesses, the “second witnessing” to emerge from the JW downfall will also be kicked off with the judgment, the TEMPLE judgment; because that is what Christ judged first when he came to the temple in 29CE, and then in 33CE, BOTH times, witness 1 and witness 2 pattern, Christ judged the TEMPLE first for God.

” For it is time for judgment to begin at the household of God” (1Pet4:17a)

This will not “go away” Tony. When JWs come out of this judgment they will ALL be speaking the exact same things being outlined here with the greatest amount of proof any explanation has EVER had. That is nto a boast, because when God Rev10:5-7 SUMMARIZES this one, it will be big, it will be complete yet it will also have a simplest form for most people too.

“And the angel whom I saw standing on the sea and on the land raised his right hand to heaven 6 and swore by him who lives forever and ever, who created heaven and what is in it, the earth and what is in it, and the sea and what is in it, that there would be no more delay, 7 but that in the days of the trumpet call to be sounded by the seventh angel, the mystery of God would be fulfilled, just as he announced to his servants the prophets.


It is Jehovah’s witnesses now in lawless apostasy who MUST “prophesy again” as per Revelation 10:11…

“”And I was told, “You must again prophesy about many peoples and nations and languages and kings.”” (This is why there are TWO “witnesses” in Rev11, it happens twice, 1914-1918 and the future)

…when the TEMPLE is again in the “right condition” of Daniel 8:14 after this judgment has hit JWs globally as the “household of God”.

And he said to me,[c] “For 2,300 evenings and mornings. Then the sanctuary shall be restored to its rightful state.” (right condition=CLEANSED of the GB riff raff and their associates; Rev2:2)

“”13 Then I heard a holy one speaking, and another holy one said to the one who spoke, “For how long is the vision concerning the regular burnt offering, the transgression that makes desolate, and the giving over of the sanctuary and host to be trampled underfoot?” 14 And he said to me,[c] “For 2,300 evenings and mornings. Then the sanctuary shall be restored to its rightful state.””

This is the way it is Tony, the events that prove Daniel 8:13 and its 3.19 year minimum timing will be the future proof this is true:

Gabriel: “”The vision of the evenings and the mornings that has been told is true, but seal up the vision, for it refers to many days from now.””

Sealing up the vision is irrefutable truth it is the truth and by that time it will have just BEGUN. It is parallel of Revelation 8:1-8:

When the Lamb opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about half an hour. 2 Then I saw the seven angels who stand before God, and seven trumpets were given to them. 3 And another angel came and stood at the altar with a golden censer, and he was given much incense to offer with the prayers of all the saints on the golden altar before the throne, 4 and the smoke of the incense, with the prayers of the saints, rose before God from the hand of the angel. 5 Then the angel took the censer and filled it with fire from the altar and threw it on the earth, and there were peals of thunder, rumblings,[a] flashes of lightning, and an earthquake.

6 Now the seven angels who had the seven trumpets prepared to blow them. 7 The first angel blew his trumpet, and there followed hail and fire, mixed with blood, and these were thrown upon the earth. And a third of the earth was burned up, and a third of the trees were burned up, and all green grass was burned up.
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If Jesus didn’t know the year, and gave signs he got from the “old testament” in answer to questions, and underlined them with the broad statement that no one is able to know, what gives you the insights that he himself didn’t have? You don’t even seem to be biblically literate. And God’s spirit is found in His word.


Well Jesus did not know the “seven seals” yet either. In Revelation 4 and 5 all that changed in 1914. Now Christ knows all things to the extent Jehovah has revealed them to him, which is it all needed to be comprehended for this epic 1000 years.

We know because the prophecy has all the secrets being revealed by God to save BILLIONS of people potentially. It leads to Revelation 14:6-8 in time. BIG SALVATION, and some of those saved will be the least likely to be saved, it is God who decides, Christ is the judge God has appointed.

Who are the harlots and tax collectors in today’s form of those who WILL exercise faith when JWs hit the fan soon and the things which must take place shortly after? Well, some “sex workers” and bankers are those are who Jesus is out to save, the least likely candidates in the eyes of men.

As much as people despise strippers, porn stars and lawyers, they got a shot too. It is Rev14:6-8. I guess gangbangers and pickpockets who repent can fit the bill as well. It means ALL PEOPLE are given the offer, btw.

Then I saw another angel flying directly overhead, with an eternal gospel to proclaim to ALL those who dwell on earth, to EVERY nation and tribe and language and people. 7 And he said with a loud voice, “Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of his judgment has come, and worship him who made heaven and earth, the sea and the springs of water. ALL YOU PEOPLE”

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All of your statements are about about what might be, or what could be, and Faith is based on what is. You aren’t.


Nope. I see a plain prophecy description such as “seas roaring” and I turn on the TV and see it. Patterns leading to world government you can see forming on TV:

1. Rev13:3; A final “sword stroke” will run its course before world government and heal into it to use that global positivity so many follow the wild beast.

Very EZ to see forming now in local US politics. Russia is now the big enemy again, but when they needed their trillions in the global markets in 1990 Russia was a “friendlier kinder” Ruskie. Because the Dan8:25 boys are what we call hypocrites, they do anything for a buck.

Now they want a world war. It leads into world government and JWs have to get off their lazy butts and say something about it in MODERN terms ALL can understand. That is what Daniel 8:13-14 as Rev8 is all about, waking up snoozing JW hypocrites, then the world, and the world war will wake up many in the same time. (Hag2:7)

You may see a nuke or two, it will be that bad. And JWs are dead asleep, not a peep, just a bleep as they censor the truth to please the GB KNers of Daniel 11:32a.

You appear to be in the back of the cave with JWs.

Prophecy and scripture cross-checks to harmonize as one whole truth for the final warning and has been doing this since day one, but it took time for erring humans to be used to produce the final harmonization which must also reveal the modern JW apostasy.

Thus, 2Thess2:1-4 fulfills when the JW apostasy and UN NGO “transgression causing desolation” of Daniel 8:13 is irrefutably exposed.

But, to do this the JW Organization is what must be desolated next, for 3.19 years peak downfall events of Daniel 8:13-14.

As per 1peter 4:17 the judgment STARTS, just begins, on “the house of God”.

The apostasy is in the JW censoring (by GB lead; Dan11:32a; Dan8:12) of the UN 3rd “place the disgusting thing” of 1990 (Dan11:31; Dan8:23) after the Cold War (Dan11:29) identifying the real “King North” as the Globalist UN 3rd step to world government which JWs >instead< partnered with as UN NGO as members of the UN “Wildbeast for Organizations”.

When JWs fulfill the Daniel 8:13-14 temple judgment of Revelation 8:1-8, then we know the apostasy repeats in final form to signal the final cycle and final warning phase has begun on JW notable downfall events.
Prophecy and scripture “cross-checks” itself to harmonize as one whole truth for the final warning (Rev10:11) and has been doing this since day one, but it took time for erring humans to be used to produce the final harmonization which must also reveal the modern JW apostasy.

It takes times for humans to “take note” and to notice a prophecy has fulfilled and to cross check the Bible proofs which always have at least 3 cross-references to prove the pattern.

Thus, 2Thess2:1-4 fulfills when the JW apostasy and UN NGO “transgression causing desolation” of Daniel 8:13 is irrefutably exposed.

But, to do this the JW Organization is what must be desolated next, for 3.19 years peak downfall events of Daniel 8:13-14.

As per 1 Peter 4:17 the judgment STARTS, just begins, on “the house of God”.

The apostasy is in the JW censoring (by GB lead; Dan11:32a; Dan8:12) of the UN 3rd “place the disgusting thing” of 1990 (Dan11:31; Dan8:23) after the Cold War (Dan11:29) identifying the real “King North” as the Globalist UN 3rd step to world government which JWs >instead< partnered with as UN NGO as members of the UN “Wildbeast for Organizations”.

When JWs fulfill the Daniel 8:13-14 temple judgment of Revelation 8:1-8, then we know the apostasy repeats in final form to signal the final cycle and final warning phase has begun on JW notable downfall events.

Now to show the cross references, in this temple judgment of JWs case, there is more than 3:

1. 1Peter 4:17 general form, is…

2. Daniel 8:13-14

3. Zechariah 3:1-5

4. Malachi 3:1-5

5. Revelation 8:1-8

6. Isaiah 28

in specific form to ID JWs as the final apostasy locale and global signal as allied with the wildbeast as UN NGO. (or, Rev8:9 and Dan8:13 “transgression causing desolation” as Matt24:15, Dan11:30b-35, Dan8:12)
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Trinitarians hold the word of God with such respect…[/QUOTE]

Really? Plato invented the Trinity concept which comes from Babel. It was retrofitted onto the Bible after 300 AD by the Papacy Babel “Governing Body” where the “governing body” and all corporate control concepts come from as well.

All error comes from Genesis 11 Babel. Including your so-called “trinity” philosophies. The Bible “proof” was all invented well after the fiction. Trinitarians use elementary techniques to try to twist scriptures to fit their pre-invented concepts.

Now they have been reverse engineered in like manner that they performed in forward engineering back to their Babel origins, the harlot of modern times.

Their future goal is to encourage all people in their sphere of influence to accept and worship world government as if the “Kingdom of God” for which error God shall give the religions to the wildbeast for their final well warned of and foretold deposition before the eyes of all the world.

THAT is where the Trinity shall lead you. Now you know better. So, do try to respond.

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That’s how it is with you…. manana never comes. So many things have already happened, and you’ve missed them. You’re not much of a watchman when it comes to prophecy. Let’s see what you’ve missed so far….

Who the small horn of Daniel 7 is
Who two of the horns that have been plucked from before it are
Who the man of lawlessness is
Who the current King of the North is
What the apostasy is to be from
What the disturbing reports from the north and east are
What the disgusting thing is
Who Gog and Magog are
when the first woe started
What the first wild beast is
What the mark of the beast is

Am I missing anything? Quite a bit, actually. It doesn’t matter. You obviously haven’t been given the morning star. That’s what happens when you don’t understand the point of prophecy. You miss things until you get hit in the face with them. You’re too consumed with your own foolishness. No matter. You’ll be dealt with as the offspring of Satan that you are.

Well you are missing this:

1. Who the small horn of Daniel 7 is: Anglo root globalist elite power group who control America, the “8th horn” is the “8th King”.

2. Who two of the horns that have been plucked from before it are: Three horns are plucked in initial form, Spain, France and Dutch who succumbed to Anglo naval force, etc, if I am not mistaken. There may be a final version of this with Russia, China and the Middle east to succumb to world government 8th King; King North.

3. Who the man of lawlessness is: The overall “man of lawlessness” is the compromised clergy of Christendom now joined by the JW Governing Body by way of their UN NGO wildbeast services as per Daniel 11:30b-31.

4. Who the current King of the North is: From Daniel 11:27 forward King North has and will always be the Anglo to Anglo American Globalist Elite world Government “New World Order” Engineers who are their own wildbeast in the “two horned wildbeast”, 7th head of the “Scarlet Wildbeast”, all together *th King and King North and King Fierce and Daniel 7 4th Beast and Daniel 2 “Immense Image”, the controlling locus of all wildbeast power, the future world government 8th King.

5. What the apostasy is to be from: From King North: Daniel 11:32a “apostasy” is “proceeding from [King North]”

6. What the disturbing reports from the north and east are: IN THE FUTURE, when JWs are recovered to final truth” of the TWO witnesses (rev11L1-7; Re10:5-11), final warning, final Kingdom proclamation of the “second witnessing the “two witnesses”, the JWs will issue a “report” called the Revelation 10 “little scroll” which will spawn all the “reports” “that will disturb” [King North], then in World Government by that time, as “it’s kingdom was darkened” in the FIFTH plague of the 5th-6th Trumpet final warning parallel.

7. What the disgusting thing is: The United nations is the “image of the beast”, the “disgusting thing” which UN core will be the nucleus of complete world government 8th King Scarlet Wildbeast in about 15 years.

8. Who Gog and Magog are: Gog of Magog is the demons and Satan is Gog, as a whole “Gog of Magog” “Gog and Magog”, God is addressing a super-human entity obvious in Ezekiel 38:7; but “those congregated with [Gog]” is world government (when complete in the future) humans and nations which is Revelation 16’s “gather the nations to the place called…Har-Magedon”. Armageddon is a “global situation” and zenith globally resistant state of complete defiance to God’s Kingdom. (Ps2; Rev17:12-18; Rev16:13-16) (So, JWs have this right, but rather than be the last to be attacked as per GB deceptions, JWs will be the first attacked soon as per Daniel 11:41 as Daniel 8:13-14 temple judgment desolation, BTG will be the last attack under complete world government they ride to the end. (1Pet4:17; Dan8:13-14; Rev8:1-8; Zech3:1-9)

9. when the first woe started: All the 3 woes of trumpets 5,6 and 7 are with the final warning to emerge with the 5th trumpet; this is irrefutable news of the final events and circumstances that lead to the Christ arrival in the end of woe 2, trump 6 (Rev11:11-12 arrival parallel), hence the woeful nature of that news and reality to lead to Christ arrival. But the 1919 “first witnessing” emergence of IBSA/JWs is when the first woe began. The future JW “abyss” “evening” recovery will be the “second witnessing” of them TWO witnesses of Revelation 11.
10. What the first wild beast is: The Revelation 13 “wildbeast” is the “old world order” nation state system “from the sea” of mankind Genesis 10 origins and basis of the global national system as per Revelation 13 description. Revelation 17 “Scarlet Wildbeast” is the same pattern and wildbeast as the nation state “King South” system foundations, but as a fully GLOBALIZED world government “King North” system final complete “wild beast” whole.

11. What the mark of the beast is: Worship and allegiance to world government in complete “one hour” form of rev17:12, parallel Revelation 13:15-18.

[QUOTE who=”sidgi”]you’ve proven me correct. generic uninspired mumbo jumbo. Jesus statements were clearer than yours, and he hadn’t modern events to go by. It doesn’t matter, as I’ve said before, even if you knew the truth, you would still prefer yourself.[/QUOTE]

No. You appear bitter with something in life and it seeps out of your general emotional state, so Topix provides you many :whipping boys”, but this one shoots back.

What was described is what it is, or else it could be disproven and would lack harmony. Scriptures have a pattern of co-related events that when cross-referenced either cause problems or they click.

Those descriptions all click because there are only a few know disharmonies out there that cause problems and they are as follows:

With JWs they think BTG goes down first, but JWs go down first as Daniel 8:13-14. BTG has to be a complete entity “riding” a complete “Scarlet Wildbeast”, or complete world government; then BTG goes down, under complete world government by international writ and deposition day over day in the “one hour” of Revelation 17:12.
The next bad glitch the KN-GB keeps in place is the “tribulation of those days” silence, which JWs think is “the end”, when as per the scriptural description the “tribulation of those days” ends BEFORE he arrives, it is the King South downfall coming up which JWs will 2Thess2:1-2 misjudge as “the end” which will allow the KN boys to crash the JW Org as if the end, and JWs will accept it because they will mistakenly think it is “the end”; but the end is not for several more years.

1. The “tribulation of those days” is the “sword stroke” of Revelation 13:3, and it heals into World Government, then Christ arrives upon that complete 8th King entity in full, sheep sweep first, conquest last.
2. The “tribulation of those days” is King South global-national-system downfall of the “old world order” as Daniel 11:41-43, and Daniel 11:41 is the global invasion and desolation of the JW Org.
Those GB purposeful “glitches” (Dan8:12) throws the whole final JW forecast as it is now way off.
Now in general Christendom and lone wolves and so on they misperceive the Christ arrival of Matthew 24:29 as well and cannot tell the “tribulation of those days” coming up, is only the first phase of the “Great Tribulation” and it expires fully BEFORE Christ arrives as plainly stated in the scriptural description. The “one hour” of Revelation 17:12 is when the “four winds” will manifest as the last phase of the GT.
Now JWs and Christendom both think the “tribulation of those days” is also the “four winds”, but they are two distinct GT phases instead. These errors will make JWs and Church-drones think the end has come to soon.
Now the “peace and security” is also misperceived, as will be a possible fake “peace and security” they may use before they start the “tribulation of those days”. JWs and Church-drones think the “peace and security” is soon, but it too is the “world peace” of world government when complete as their recovery mantra parallel to the Daniel 8:25 “freedom from care” which is that “peace and security” under full world government.

These are examples that by scriptural cross-checking can be determined in their proper order. But since this all unfolds year over year over the next 17 years, it can be explained as and after it happens by recovered JWs whose only choice will be accepting this harmonious and updated final forecast. (Rev9; Zech3:5; Dan8:13-14; Matt25:1-13)
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Then why are messages disappearing?

Topix is not the best coded logic web-app in the world. So, the random nature of their “filtering” is erred logic that triggers the actions based on wording that has been misinterpreted in their code algorithms.

It is too random to be “on purpose”, which is a sign of “trial and error” coding. But, it is pretty normal, most professional coders are overrated and make many mistakes regularly, even at Microsoft. Just look at Google’s or Microsoft’s “security patches” for their apps; by the end of the year it will have 5000 updates.

The second thing affecting this is software “versioning” that is not actually new versions but minor revisions they sell off as App 1.0, 2.0, 3.0 in some cases, to keep selling the software as if a major release. Many of these releases are little more than a few minor revisions.

Then they release a “beta” they call an “official release” and they save money by letting the public “test” it, then they keep updating the versions from public feedback for months, and no one is the wiser.

Most software hit there zenith in 2000 or so, and this had to happen because there is only so much new ideas and ways to code it that came after 2000, so they can only make revisions that formerly would not have merited a major revision “version” increase.

Not that there are not exceptions, but in CAD, 3D and imaging the core was done by 2000, the rest was just waiting for faster hardware and so on, so they have to keep people buying software whose maintenance needs have eaten up the time that formed its zenith in innovative R/D becoming the initial popular releases.

Now it takes about 5 years for one of these software products to actually be truly a next version, sometimes longer, but in this little game they will have had 3 or 4 “new versions” to keep people buying it. For example AutoCAD today is barely any better than AutoCAD 2000, no joke. But they sold tens of billions of dollars of them minor revisions, worth a small percentage of the whole AutoCAD cost, rather than charge the small percentage of actual improvements.

With webs, many are started by “taught myself” coders who hit gold mines, but they are not the best coders in the world. So, their sites and software have weird problems at times.

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look at psalms 2:7,and hebrews 5:5….he became the son along with begotten,and firstborn…..at the incarnation…he was the Word of God before……….to us a son is given[/QUOTE]

He did not “incarnate”. Demons incarnated in Genesis 6. Jesus Christ, the Demon Destroyer, was born a human being, not an “incarnation”.

The Demon Destroyer came in to destroy them as a little infant. It was a statement of God Almighty because soon that Immortal God, no longer and infant, will rip the demons into little bitty pieces along with the lies they spread through church.

But the churches corporate complex will be terminated by world government their pimp went it completes in about 15 years after they tell everyone the wildbeast is the “Kingdom of God” “on earth”. Then the 8th King King North will outlaw all religion and proceed with the deposition as the permitted events of the Revelation 18:4 judgment of God.

Churches know the truth of God and Jesus and Satan. After that they cannot even decide who is who or what is what, they have 3 truths and then all is lost so they do not understand their destiny or any prophecy. THAT is why one is commanded by God to “get out of her my people”. And with JWs they are “back in Babel” now and told to flee because of the Matthew 24:15 UN NGO “disgusting thing” they propped up for their GB to sit on as a “burning mountain” throne of Revelation 8:9.

So, as you know well God’s “my people” are slow and stubborn and some will not get out of the trap in time. But that “one tenth the city fell” will be shaken out of BTG in its deposition and saved along with Revelation 14:8 as Revelation 14:6-7 is being offered during the destruction of the churches and all religions. There are still some of God’s “my people” in ALL religions out there, but being slow and stubborn they will have to be saved the hard way.

So, as off as you are you have hope. Its up to you how long you choose to stay stubborn to irrefutable indomitable truth.
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Watchtower clergymen made lots of predictions about what would happen no later than 1874, and no later than 1914, and no later than 1919, and no later than 1925, and no later than 1975, and no later than 2000.

But I’m sure your 2034 prediction is spot on.

But — and just humor me here — if your predictions don’t come true by 2034, then what will you do?[/QUOTE]

By 2034 this will all have happened so even you can possibly catch on and dump the stubborn butt-hurt front:

1. JW apostasy and UN NGO will be revealed in a horrific anti-JW-Org judgment and globalist operation timed, phased and described as Daniel 8:13-14,26.

2. JWs will go down hard the GB will be deposed and exposed and they will have to utter the final warning of Rev10:11 statement in the Daniel 11:41-43 final nation-state system global “tribulation of those days” downturn coming up.

3. The coming world war “tribulation of those days” will “heal” into said world government in complete official form and it will cease that final warning coming from recovered and cleansed JWs.

A. Then they will proceed to depose ALL religions of earth as enforced international law.

4. Those events and others will trigger the Christ arrival. As per Romans 13 Christ is not coming to “destroy the nations” for since Genesis 10 God is relatively “cool” with the nations as they are, he placed them in their “relative positions” to provide a little order, “old world order”.

A. BUT when them knobs decide to do a “World Government” sole “superior authority” God and Christ WILL have a big problem with that stunt and they will explode on world government, BUT; only after the sheep sweep; Christ saves sheep first, hangs out in Matthew 24:31, Rev14 and Matt25 doing so during the Daniel 12:11 timing, and then, when all the sheep are in the super-cosmic-pen on Earth, he will tear world government into itty bitty pieces and pyroclastic smoke, dust and sludge.

So, Revelartion 14:6-8 will be an OPEN SALVATION OFFER, the last one, to be offered to all humans by Christ and the angels as Christ finishes his own ministry on earth but as Mighty God, and ANYONE can accept that offer and be saved, and all the events descirbed here will have come down the pike to try to get through to some people.

5. BTG goes down last. Under world government all religion is destroyed, ALL of it. BTG will go down in this process AFTER they have endorsed the wildbeast they rid, and after world government is fully complete they will be outlawed by international anti-religion law and deposed as foretold in Rev17:11-18 and Rev18, etc.

Most of this unfolds over the said final 17 years. We do not know if the 1260 ends into 2034 or the 1290, that is the question. The latter provides more salvation time, but both are sufficient to save a “great crowd” of possibly billions of people, we cannot know.

The “good news” is really good news. Unlike the religions all condemning each other Revelation 14:6-8 states ANYONE can respond, repent, and be saved even at the last hour. (Rev17:12)

When Christ arrives into complete world government period, he is coronated Messianic Kingdom “King of kings” and Rev11:15-19 “King of the World”, the same kinging. That starts Revelation 14. Revelation 19:11-21 is the post sheep sweep for salvation conquest mode.

If you can make it, you’ll see all this starting from the JW Org desolations of Matthew 24:15 and Daniel 8:13-14 as a sign for your use of salvation. The sooner you respond the better. ANYONE can be saved, many will fall into salvation, many will already be there. (Rev11:13)

It is coming.

[QUOTE who=”True Christian witness “]18 “I am bearing witness to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone makes an addition to these things,+ God will add to him the plagues that are written in this scroll;+ 19 and if anyone takes anything away from the words of the scroll of this prophecy, God will take his portion away from the trees of life+ and out of the holy city,+ things that are written about in this scroll.[/QUOTE]

1. The League of Nations fulfilled prophecy of the “image of the wild beast” in 1919.

2. The United nations emerged from WW2 abyss and fulfilled more 8th King “image” prophecy in 1945.

JWs revealed these two prophecies.

3. In 1990 as Daniel 11:31 and Dan8:23 the United Nations revisited their “New World Order” mantra of 1919.

But JWs said nothing, they took words away from the scroll. The joined the UN as UN NGO as per matthew 24:15 instead.

4. Now, World Government will fulfill it all in final form (Rev17:8=18 final form; Rev13:15-18 finale), ALL OF IT, including Daniel 11:45 and Daniel 8:25, and at this time JWs cannot connect UN1-2-3-4 as prophecy has it laid out, because they dropped the ball on UN 1990 3rd UN prophecy event.

Instead JWs are expecting “the end” 17 year early of reality.

So, Daniel 8:13-14 will judge, expose and cleanse JWs, and explain itself. BUT, JWs will have to pick up UN 3 and 4 in the final warning to emerge from this modern JW apostate GB led fiasco.

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At some point you’re going to need to let go of your man-worship.

It is the one big thing that keeps tying to you to the delusion that there has ever been anything special about this religion, rather than coming to the acceptance that it has merely used the playbook that has been used by others who came before it a thousand times.

It’s just another false religion on the scrap heap of false religions that have lived and died on this planet over the millennia.[/QUOTE]

Just because Alan Turing began a technological discovery far more impacting than Albert Einstein, yet he is virtually unknown for it, does not mean I am man worshiping.

Acknowledging achievements of others is not worship of the personality anymore than criticizing a serial killer for “achievements” of the worst kind.

Now when ti comes to Russell, Rutherford and Fred Franz, they all did some cool stuff for God, but Rutherford was the critical link in the UN 1 (1919) and UN 2 (1945) continuum which was broken in 1990 at the 3rd UN event JWs became UN NGO to co-promote for the wild beast, while saying NOTHING about it.

So, acknowledging the record of the above, I am worshiping neither Rutherford nor JWs, they have achievements for diametric purposes and outcomes.

I am merely noting that I observed some more interesting connections in all of the above. If not for Alan Turing we would not be having this conversation. Had Einstein never been born they would have still split the atom but by 1960, imo.

Turing’s was a more unique insight overall. Without Turing it is questionable if a computer ever would have been invented. That is just my opinion requiring more research.

[QUOTE who=”True Christian witness “]Witnesses do not care if you choose to stay with the Churches of this ungodly world, all ungodly people will be destroyed with this system, apostate witnesses are already dead.

Only the meek will want to obey The Law of Christ, as taught by God’s people, and have the hope of surviving the end of this world, just like Noah preached.

2Peter 2: 5[/QUOTE]
The “governing body” concept is from Babel, its corporate expression from Babel to Rome is the “board of directors” entity. So, this is how a sole leader, when depsoed, has his works taken over by a “rule by committee”.

The clergy is of this model too. Now we know the WTBTS “board of directors” renamed themselves the “governing body” and they too are a mere corporate clergy like the rest.

The symptoms of both the churches and JWs as one clergy led apostasy is:

1. They stall in prophecy;

2. They cover up rampant lawlessness;

3. They claim to be divine;

4. They deny that they are mundane lawless ones;

5. Their apostasies are in prophecy, JWs are the last one;

BUT, everyone can see it who is freed or flees from the grip. (Matt24:15) This is how JWs became a laughing stock of known hypocrisy, and it is going to get way way worse soon.

Daniel 8:13-14 comes on JWs to get them in the “right condition”.

Daniel is the first “structural prophecy” of the parallel continuum of God’s Kingdom developments and the rival “King North” 8th King developments to be seen as one whole.

Revelation is the last “structural prophecy” which cross-links to Daniel explicitly by way of the “3rd head” or Babylon, the 5th head “Greece” by name, and what they are leading to: WORLD GOVERNMENT. But it also has references to the ascertainable 6th head Rome, 7th head root Anglo power and 7th head Anglo-American maturation.

But, the 8th King symbol is the end of the sovereign equation. King North, King Fierce, Daniel 7 4th Beast and the Daniel 2 “immense image” all equate to the “scarlet wildbeast” 8th King as WORLD GOVERNMENT, in about 15 years.

Thus, Daniel and Revelation “merge” and converge into Armageddon and its Christ planetary sheep sweep (Rev14) and conquest (Rev19:11-21), in that order.


At the Hard Rock cafe the rockers tore their outer garments apart for Wolfgang Van Halen said he was Eddie Van Halen’s son making himself equal to Eddie.

At the motorcycle clubhouse the bikers tore their outer garments apart for Robby Knievel said he was Evel Knievel’s son making himself equal to Evel.

At the village inn the patrons tore their outer garments apart for Karl Mozart said he was Wolfgang Mozart’s son making himself equal to Wolfgang.

At the Synagogue the popes tore their outer garments apart for Jesus Christ said he was Jehovah’s son making himself equal to Jehovah but in the Trinity Jesus has no Father.

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I think you missed where I stated, “There is no, ‘justice’ system where a person can rightfully be prosecuted based on nothing more than an unsubstantiated allegation.”



OK. But there was, it was Torguemada’s Inquisition, published so people can review its unjust policies.

But with humans they can have judgments, they can do restorations of tangible, but when life and innocence is lost they bat 100 at even delivering justice, they cannot offer a restoration.

Now Jesus will “restore ALL things” AND he will deliver Justice, for all are accountable and Jesus can do this because though the 1000 Year Reign is 1000 years long, to the Gods Jehovah and Jesus it is 10 billion years wide, 10 billion years high and 10 billion years deep.

So, no stone shall be left unturned “the secret things of mankind” will be exposed and put up for public perusal as a touchstone.

Man has serious trouble with the concept of justice, much less its perfect practice; that benchmark will be complete when Christ arrives. Think about it, its coming.

ALL are accountable and guaranteed on the Docket of Judgment Day. Those who can’t make it will have already been judged. Those who make it can repent.

It will be a good heavy “day”, the “joy set before” Christ: Perfect Justice and Restoration.
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Bible doesn’t teach a 2 tiered kingdom……but it teaches one hope eph 4:4…….believers have a heavenly calling heb 3:1…….God isn’t going to leave people on this earth that is going to get judged by God….and his wrath poured out………look at rev 21:3 this is after new Jerusalem comes out of heaven…..Gods dwelling place is now among the people and he will dwell with them……God is going to be here on earth….what about those 144000 in heaven when God is going to be here on the new earth[/QUOTE]

Yes it does teach two Kingdoms, one for each of the two witnesses:

1. God’s Kingdom

2. The Messianic Kingdom of Christ

The differences are many, but in a nutshell the Kingdom of David covenant is fulfilled by the Messianic Kingdom of Christ, it is the explicit entity to rule this earth and world.

Both Kingly roles of Christ in BOTH of those Kingdoms also have two different legal agreements between God and Christ.

They don’t beat around the bush, cut corners or do things in a half-vast way; it is coming in detail even before Christ arrives, in DETAIL begun by Jehovah’s witnesses and there it shall be completed in the “second witness” 1260 days of the future.

You will hear about it when it comes. The myths, falsehoods, and stories you are trying to place as a rival of truth shall pass away with time.

[QUOTE who=”Nomi”]We have elders. Clergymen are entirely different.[/QUOTE]
Not really. One difference is elders can be held accountable with the whole congregation the way the GB spread the lawlessness. The clergy can only be help accountable to their own ranks, unlike JWs.

JW elders and clergymen can be sued. But unlike the churches, the GB has spread accountability into the pews, whole congregations can have restitution and penalties imposed.

JWs are in a pickle with the pedophile thing, way worse than even the Catholic Church whose clergy is all that is accountable.

When the JW Org Ship goes down it will be the whole thing, top to bottom. (Dan8:13-14) That is the kind of liability the GB policies have designed into the racket.

You better wake up. (Matt24:15) The GB blood offers no salvation, they are NOT Jesus Christ, but they act like they are.

Not good.
It will get bad because a “sword stroke” is coming (Rev13:3), but JWs will think and try to say it is “the end”. (2Thess2:1-2) But the end won’t come until 2034 or so, as per JW real math they forgot. In the meantime JWs have more to do, it is at Revelation 10:11.

JWs think it is over but it is only half way done, witness 1 requires witnessing 2. (Rev11)

JWs will be bamboozled, disciplined, cleansed and recovered though. (Dan8:13-14; Zech3:1-9; Rev8-9)

It all repeats for a “second witness”, the final one.
[QUOTE who=”Tony Price 77″]<quoted text>

Thank you for not giving the biased and stereotypical answers that Nomi and TempleMicrowave are giving in regards to tv preachers, etc., jwToTruth. Also, even though I have never seen or experienced Christian healing… I have heard of it before.

Plus, I don’t see how the motives of any type of supernatural healer could be bad…. Especially in view of what Matthew 12:26 says:

>In the same way, if Satan expels Satan, he has become divided against himself; how, then, will his kingdom stand?<

But I’m sure that Nomi, TempleMicrowave or any other JW or JW wannabe cannot explain that scripture.


Matthew 7:21 will help you get the story.

“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’

The point is if you are really paying attention is that Christendom is still the “house of God”. Even after the Jews rejected Christ the “house of God” was still associated with the physical temple for all intents and purposes even though by spirit “the house is abandoned to you”.

The point being until Christendom is literally destroyed by international law of world government they will still have the momentum of being “God’s house”. So, their healers and demon-casters may or may not be using Jesus name with sincerity.

But even so, as per Matthew 7:21 that is no guarantee is it?

Are you getting what this means in basic form?
[QUOTE who=”frgoad”]https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/matthew/16/#v40016018

In the above website it makes it sound like the grave has gates to it.But what does it mean by the word gates?[/QUOTE]

Who is the gatekeeper? Hell yes it has a gate!

1. “I was dead, and behold, I am alive for evermore, and I have the keys of death and Hades”

Heck, he has a lot of keys:

2. These are the words of him who is holy and true, who holds the key of David.

A. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven;

3. And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.

4. And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. 2He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.

1. Keys of Death AND Hades= Christ resurrects all living beings. (Eze47:9)

2. Key of the Kingdom:

3. Key of the coming Temple Judgment of Jehovah’s Witnesses of Daniel 8:13-14; Rev8:1-8; Zech3:1-9

4. Keys of Satan’s prison;

King Everything

He’ll be coming in soon, by 2034.===
[QUOTE who=”Mumple”]If Jesus was direct with those he taught, telling them just how far they fell short of God’s laws…..

When by now the festival was half over, Jesus went up into the temple and began teaching. Therefore the Jews fell to wondering, saying… How does this man have a knowledge of letters, when he has not studied at the schools? Jesus, in turn, answered them and said… What I teach is not mine, but belongs to him that sent me. If anyone desires to do His will, he will know concerning the teaching whether it is from God or I speak of my own originality. He that speaks of his own originality is seeking his own glory; but he that seeks the glory of him that sent him, this one is true, and there is no unrighteousness in him. Moses gave you the Law, did he not? But not one of you obeys the Law. Why are seeking to kill me

Why is it that those here wish to have the truth more like Paul mentioned those disapproved would desire?

2 Timothy 4:

preach the word, be at it urgently in favorable season, in troublesome season, reprove, reprimand, exhort, with all long-suffering and teaching. For there will be a period of time when they will not put up with the healthful teaching, but, in accord with their own desires, they will accumulate teachers for themselves to have their ears tickled… and they will turn their ears away from the truth, whereas they will be turned aside to false stories

If someone could explain it, it would be a help to me.

Perhaps an example would help. At one time JWs were in approval from God. Then the “board of directors” saw all the attention and devised the same old scheme of 1897 and 1917, for the third time, in 1970s and titled themselves the “Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses”.

Then they had already been teaching JWs to “lift themselves” in the GB “over everyone [in the temple”, and to venerate them as gods on Earth.

Then they seized control.

It boils down to old men, men who should have known better, men who ignored Fred Franz and Nathan Knorr’s advice, men who NEEDED some of the glory NOW.

Now look at JWs.

And wait until you see what else is in store; Dan8:13-14.

ALL because a few men started to seek personal glory, riches, power and recognition. It is what it is, a folly.

And then they stopped teaching and just repeated the past as therapy.

[QUOTE who=”sidgi”]What are you going to do? What are your plans? Do you even think about it? What will be the first things that will let you know that it is the GT, and not just more of the same things that have been happening for the last century or so?

2 Peter:

For you know this first, that in the last days there will come ridiculers with their ridicule, proceeding according to their own desires and saying… Where is this promised presence of his? Why, from the day our forefathers fell asleep in death, all things are continuing exactly as from creation’s beginning.


As for you, beloved ones, call to mind the sayings that have been previously spoken by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ, how they used to say to you… In the last time there will be ridiculers, proceeding according to their own desires for ungodly things

People in general won’t get a warning. Those who have faith won’t get any more warning than has already been recorded in scripture. Are you putting your finger up and testing the wind? Or are you putting your faith in men? A whole world was destroyed, in Noah’s day, without prior warning. Things were going along just as they had been. Only those who put faith in God, even had an opportunity. Lot had to be dragged out of the city, and he had the evidence of angels in his presence, working miraculous things. Even after, while the destruction was ongoing, Lot’s wife gave in to her urges and was destroyed….

No answers to me are required. Only fools and stupid ones would think such a thing is necessary. If you have questions, ask God. It’s where you should have been going for instruction, all along. It isn’t like you haven’t been told that long enough in advance.[/QUOTE]

Don’t fret so much displaying 2Thess2:1-2 over-expectations.

Yes it will be severe, JW Org will go down, JWs will also expect an end that will not come for 15 more years, BUT the “Great Tribulation” has TWO phases: “tribulation of those days” and the “four winds”.

1. The “tribulation of those days” is when everyone gets scared to death think the “sword stroke” is the end as per Revelation 13:3.

But it expires into a “healing” globally and world government, 8th King. (Isa41:1)

Proof: This is why Jesus arrives AFTER the “tribulation of those days” expires as per Matthew 24:29

Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

And as you can plainly see, Jesus sweeps the sheep into salvation FIRST after arrival; there is no “end” in Matthew 24:29-31.

2. Under World Government 8th King, King North, King Fierce the “four winds” will manifest “DURING a freedom from care” which is the “world peace and security” (1Thess5:1-3; Dan8:25)

That will end the “Great Tribulation” in BOTH phases complete. Christ conquest is during the “four winds” when “no flesh would be saved” unless he acted swiftly. So, he will. (Rev19:11-21; Matt24:21-22)

Don’t freak out with the next global crash and war. You’ll wear yourself out to soon. (Matt24:13)

“But the one who endures to the end will be saved.”==
[QUOTE who=”Tony Price 77”]<quoted text>

Well, what I’m getting is that you are now saying that Christian healers MAY be using Jesus’ name with sincerity, therefore, that sounds like you are also saying that some Christian healing may have divine backing.

So what made your change your tune, Microwave?


The Bible says that Tony, I just pointed it out. And there is more plain as day in the Bible.

It has always been my tune, I guess you caught on. In Revelation 14:6-8, come that time, ANYONE can be saved, Christian “organizations” have no meaning to Jehovah, only the “flocks” matter to him and they cross boundaries.

Thus when speaking of ALL “religions” as corporate control “organizations” God says “get out of her MY PEOPLE”; this means ALL RELIGIONS have some of God’s “my people” in them, because no way will all humans react fast enough to the divine warning, and now even JWs went bad.

So if you notice the way Revelation 14:6-8 is worded, this is taking place:

And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

WHILE this is finalizing under world government:

8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

The point is some people will not “fall” into salvation until religions are being destroyed as corporate entities all around them. Then the hardest of the hard heads will also catch on.

ANYONE can be saved even in the post Christ arrival of Revelation 14 by a simple choice to agree to the Christ way. SIMPLE, but we gotta mean it.

JWs are also making the “truth” and “salvation” way too narrow to serve their own delusional pleasures of that kind of “we alone win” ear tickling which is a major draw of JW cash to the coffers. (Dan11:32a)

[QUOTE who=”Tony Price 77″]<quoted text>

Hey, TempleMicrowave. Do you mind if I ask you a question?….

Why are you so brave in this thread, but a total coward in another thread? LOL 😀

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-witness/T5JG797J9VB0L2QC3/p2#c36 (reply #36)



Because you are referring to a different poster (or I never saw the internals of the thread, I avoided that because it was a metaphysics kind of question, btw, for a phrase with about the same meaning overall).

But I do not know what you mean by “brave”. This outline is the specifically longest range forecast** and largest open salvation proof in the world, on the web, or any where. I am NOT a “doomsdayer” nor a “the end can be tomorrow”, because in reality the timing can be derived to 2034 at the latest, God will get extremely clear just prior to the Christ arrival, meaning within the last 7 years it will get clear as day as regards the FINAL globally seen circumstances that trigger the Christ arrival.

That oughta tell you something.

** What I mean by specific is that Isaiah 38 is the last 15 years of the JW ministry from JW Org down to recovery of Daniel 8:13-14 inception which leads to the 1260 days then the 1290 days, with transitions of unknown but possibly short interims.

1*. So the forecast here is for 2034 with proofs in scripture. Now an unspecific “long range forecast” that this differs from, are people who say “it could be another 100 years, who knows.

2. There is no “doomsday” in the Bible, at the time of JFK down the Pentagon coined that term. Instead, we have a severe world war and global crash “tribulation of those days”, BUT it recovers, it “heals” into World Government as the global “ultimate solution” as per Revelation 13:3.

I am specific from prophecy on the timing and the openness of the final Revelation 14:6-7 salvation offer for this era, and this is the longest range very specific forecast in the world today. It MUST run its full divinely timed course to Christ arrival.

As a proof, you can watch JW Org go down on CNN, as some of the event will make the news of the world. It will go on in peak form of desolation “trampling” for 1150 days or 3.19 years, most likely half of the overall 2300 days prophecy; but because it is cryptic it is best to time it from the first noticeable anti-JW and anti-JW-Org events which God will ensure will be enough to mark a calendar for this very purpose.

The original JW Prophecy “structure” is what the final prophecy repeats which this forecast uses as its basis too, but in modern final form en route to world government which will trigger the Christ response in force. BUT, he saves the sheep first and puts then under angelic cosmic security, then he wipes out his sovereign rivals and imprisons Satan and the demons.

[QUOTE who=”Jack”]”For it is time for judgment to begin at the household of God”

is referring to all the phonies, including Kingdom Hall.[/QUOTE]

Yes, it refers to Christendom, but this time the focal “organ” is JWville Organization, because they of the proper scale to send the signal from God that worse is coming for Christendom proper, but only AFTER world government has been made official at global scale.

It merely “starts” the overall “judgment” upon JWs.

But you are correct the whole Christian house is full of phonies, not just JWs, but not everyone is a phony as well.

THAT is why there is a “judgment” from God that begins in Christianville, but in the JW house were the most news has arisen in the last 100 years or so. No one cares what Muslims, Catholics or Baptists have to say.

JWs are who some people began listening to, but almost everyone has them on some sort of “radar”. So, when Daniel 8:13-14 events, timing and phasing manifest on JWsville to “start” the “judgment”, of course, the rest of the prophecy can epicenter from there to the final warning to world government to Christ arrival and people can be warned aided by the heightened global attention on JWs due to lawlessness now, judgment soon, and recovery to final warning to conclude the mission.

When JWs go down soon, required and permitted by Jehovah for rampant lawlessness and man and idol worship, UN NGO, etc, some of it will be on CNN, so you will know when what is described here, “starts” the “judgment” of God.

The rest comes out from recovered and cleansed Jehovah’s witnesses when they can carry God’s name once again legally. At this time, the have been disqualified from being “Jehovah’s” exclusive witnesses because they two-timed by GB lead as “Wildbeast Witnesses for Organizations” as UN NGO for UN 3.0, 1990, Daniel 11:30-32a.
[QUOTE who=”Tony Price 77″]<quoted text>

Hmmm. Well since when has Hebrews 1:3 been about metaphysics? But click on the link again:

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-witness/T5JG797J9VB0L2QC3/p2#c36 (reply #26)


Well we then go back to the immortality feature. Christ is the “only begotten” god, which means, thiugh being like God, made dierctly by God, a “replication” of God he still:

1. Was new born and inexperienced and subject to death as he proved as a man;

A. So, Michael was not yet “Christ of God” too, but he was a close as anyone will EVER get.

2. So, upon mission completion for perfect human sacrifice to provide perfect life, DNA and blood atonement, he was “upgraded” to the Immortal Mighty God status as Christ of God. IMMORTAL

Other than not being eternal from all times past, Christ has the greatest capacity of divine power forwardly available, only Jehovah of course is the “Almighty”.
So, it is now just nitpickign words, when the Word is pretty much as close to Jehovah is everything as anyone can become.

King Everything as far as creation, Jehovah is the King of Eternity and set up King Everything.


Berean Literal Bible
No one has ever yet seen God. The only begotten God, the One being in the bosom of the Father, He has made Him known.

New American Standard Bible
No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.

King James Bible
No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
No man has seen God at any time; The Only Begotten God Who is in the bosom of The Father, he has declared him.”

GOD’S WORD® Translation
No one has ever seen God. God’s only Son, the one who is closest to the Father’s heart, has made him known.

New American Standard 1977
No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten God, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.

Jubilee Bible 2000
No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he has declared him.

King James 2000 Bible
No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he has declared him.

American Standard Version
No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him .

Douay-Rheims Bible
No man hath seen God at any time: the only begotten Son who is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Darby Bible Translation
No one has seen God at any time; the only-begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared [him].

English Revised Version
No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Webster’s Bible Translation
No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Weymouth New Testament
No human eye has ever seen God: the only Son, who is in the Father’s bosom–He has made Him known.

World English Bible
No one has seen God at any time. The one and only Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he has declared him.

Young’s Literal Translation
God no one hath ever seen; the only begotten Son, who is on the bosom of the Father — he did declare.===
The apostles never “went to church”, nor did they ever recommend building and building and acting like God dwelt in such a container. So, when people “go to church” they are netering somethign which has become a physical idol, when in fact no physical “church” is ever refered to in the Bible.

It is ALL spiritual. The church physical building is treated as a phallus capped idol. It happens to all religions in time, now it is done because JWs were the last to slumber into “org” worship too, and building worship and GB worship.

God himself will demo the temple to the degree necessary to wash out the infidels and infidel attitudes such as those promoted by the limelight snatching GB. (Zech3:2; Daniel 8:13-14)

Then he will raise it up again (Rev10:11), and this time it clicks into super-celestial completion with Christ and the 144000 for real to zenith the process to become visible right here on the third rock from the sun.

A final clear and comprehensive announcement will precede that ultimate event. (Rev11:1-15)

Everything shall work like the Clockwork of God that it is (Dan8:14; Rev11:3; Dan12:11) and the clock shall strike midnight. (Rev14:6-8; Rev11:13)

It is good news, many shall be saved. Some won’t. (Rev14:14-20; Matt25:31-46)
[QUOTE who=”jad2017″]<quoted text>

Yeah, and instant death from touching the ark of the covenant was a nice piece of bread, huh?[/QUOTE]

Well for the faithless it is a life saving lesson in the long run even if it did not fly the first time. Moses face “shone like the sun” like Christ at the transfiguration as the foregleam.

Did Moses poof into ashes? No. But then again Moses HAD FAITH. Faith is “Son-Glasses” to be able to glow like the sun and yet not turn to ashes.

“Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father”

“Then the righteous will shine like the Son in the kingdom of their Father”

And because “let your Kingdom come” [to planet earth] is what Jesus requested of God, that shine shall be visible on Earth:

“”It will be a unique day–a day known only to the LORD–with no distinction between day and night. When evening comes, there will be light. “” (Zec14:7)

It will be a unique day.
[QUOTE who=”Sparlock”]<quoted text>

You’re the one that’s under the delusion that some minor, insignificant sect that has done nothing but follow a playbook handed down by the high-control religions before them is somehow relevant to bible prophecy.[/QUOTE]

!st century Christianity was a “minor, insignificant sect”; Correct?

Apostasy occurs from before the beginning, it occurs to fulfill prophecy, the judgment occurs to get it back on line.

All prophecy cycles BEGIN with the inception of the marked temple judgment. In this case, Daniel 8:13-14 ignites with Zechariah 3:1-5 overall events and Revelation 8:1-8 as Malachi 3:1-5; 1 Peter 4:17.

You’ll know when it is hitting the apostate JW Org. (Matt24:15) KN is who is “at the doors”; (Dan11:32a; Dan8:11-14)

It begins the final cycle for 15 years to include the final warning and the long awaited arrival of Christ upon final 8th King World Government for the war of universal sovereignty; So, you can probably tell they are well beyond their league.

But, they just gotta find out in person it seems. (Rev19:11-21) Enjoy the time you have off while it lasts.

[QUOTE who=”jace”]<quoted text>
You post makes no sense
First you say the text applies to jw

Then you come back and say it does not

You can’t have it both ways

Why not take sometime to get your thoughts together first and then repost something that isn’t expressing two opposing ideas

It applies to both, because JWs are in “Christendom”; Christendom is the first apostate pattern, JWs the last.

It is so people can put it together after JW Org is downed. (Dan8:13-14, 26)

[QUOTE who=”jace”]<quoted text>
His opening premise is flawed and he didn’t even realize it


Jace. Adventism was a branch of Reformation line of churches, who came out of Catholocism. JWs came from adventist strain of derivations. So, JWs are in Christendom as their UN NGO wildbeast foray proves as well.

So, Christendom has people NOW in it who will be saved, and some of them will catch on from the modern final apostasy catastrophe to befall JWs soon as Daniel 8:13-14.

At the moment you just do not understand the whole thing is still the “house of God”, JWs came from that overall “house”. This broadens the certainty ANYONE cam be saved if they want to be come Revelation 14:6-8 time. BUT, a good attitude will help of course.

Think positive, we can seize the opportunity, as can anyone else if we want to.

It aint easy, but it ain’t hard either, but it is totallty possible. JWs have turned salvation into a greased tightrope as wide as a guitar high E string in a high wind.

So, we know they have gone off course, but God will smack them back on course, a “crash course” is Daniel 8:13-14.

There is no reason for Christians to fight and argue, but it is what it is, sometimes we have to learn the hard way.
[QUOTE who=”jace”]<quoted text>


You knocked it out of the park

They just make up stuff on the fly

The apostate GB made stuff up. The other stuff has harmony, the final summary will have total comprehensive cross-checking total harmony for a helpful sign.

It works only when it jives across all prophecy and only about 10 pages of the Bible is subject to this cross checking technique, so it is fathomable when taken seriously.

It is not hat hard Jace, but you have to put aside all preconceived notions whether you are a JW or an anti-JW, and pay attention and check it for yourself.

1. This one jives in total.

2. This one admits JWs are brazen apostates and wildbeast serving UN NGO, yet forecasts their cleansed recovery from the “fire”; (Zech3:2; Rev8:1-8; Mal3:1-5)

3. This one is the longest range specific forecast IN THE WORLD. (to 2034)

4. This one is all prophecy descriptions, no filler, with an ANYONE CAN BE SAVED full frontal hope vanguard and divine offer GUARANTEE to all mankind.

5. This one PROVES ITSELF, just check daniel 8:13-14 timing on JW downfall if you doubt now; you won’t doubt later.

NONE of the others have all this. NONE OF THEM.

It is what it is.
[QUOTE who=”the Mad JW”]Curious mixture of fact and fiction.
Jesus encouraged us to meet and work together.

Think we should do it in the rain?


The point is the building should not be venerated or made special, an old Circle K or gas station will do just fine. When people start adding pizazz to things look what happens. Look what has happened to JWs, just be honest and take a good long LOOK.

Point is it can happen to anyone or any group. So, the final warning is in a period about 15 years overall, not plenty of time to go off course, that is why it is a relatively short period to merge into Christ arrival.

When Christ arrives and they tube in Satan/demons, it can be guided straight far far easier. THAT is why this final warning ramps right into the Christ mega-activations. No joke, anything dead on the ground will pop up alive. Resurrections of the little things will be taking place everyday just for fun and lessons.

And you can bet no one will be putting them to sleep anymore. Those who think so will be taking the firey dirt nap for good.

Law and Order is coming to the place by the edge of the Christ Sword, or with a helping hand, the choice is that of the person.

At some point the foot has to be put down. That is the problem at this time, to much sneaky high level lawlessness.

[QUOTE who=”Sparlock”]<quoted text>

Incorrect. First century Christianity literally changed the course of the world in only a matter of a few years. It was the subject of conversation far and wide.

The Watchtower religion has done nothing. It has been completely irrelevant on the world scene. That’s the reason why nobody ever talks about it unless it’s someone who has a personal history with the religion or yet another Watchtower scandal hits the news.

Just stop for a moment and ask yourself why nobody around the world ever talks about this religion if it is so significant. Gareth always falls on himself over that one.[/QUOTE]

Jesus was an unknown, and the Pharisees being misinformationalists hoped his assassination would keep him unknown. Even after resurections, miraculous healings, feedings, teachings and so on only 70 people in all of Israel could be found to talk about it.

1000 years later, after the Romans found out how to hijack Christainity for state purposes was the track set for you to find out. Actually it was Paul pushed by Christ and God who laid a pattern for others. 1st century Christianity was fought tooth and nail and wrought with doubters, liars and persecutionists who also tried to fight it. But after it was corrupted so they could practice their demon philosophies and unholy days and set up a limelight spot light, then people such as yourself ate the bait.

Then when some new “first century” group comes out and pointed out the demon at church, then they also fell wide of the bullseye, the new misinformationalists such as yourself won’t cry for a flute nor dance for John Bonham beating the drums from the hearafter in the modern funeral procession of the churches last hurrah.

Instead they have to make up elaborate stories how first century Christianity was so grand, yet those who practice it today are not God’s house just so they can keep their own demons happy.

Now JWs have diverged into apostasies of a new Papal GB for JWs, from the same old Babel and RCC concept, and it will be Daniel 8:13-14 for proof when God judges JWs first as usual, as in 70 CE. (1Pet4:17)

You are spinning tales and hoping you are right in hanging on to your demon in spite of a clear warning.

[QUOTE who=”rsss1″]<quoted text>

It is that easy….look at the thief on the cross….he repented and believed…yes it’s that easy….he didn’t go door to door or fill out time cards or dress up in suits,ect…..[/QUOTE]

Well no one said JWs have the openness of the final salvation message of Revelation 14:6-8, in fact they are shooing sheep from the gates.

Now wait and see what happens next; Dan8:13-14;

ANYONE can be saved. But JWs like the Pharisees got Isaiah 10 rule crazy so the Devil can make salvation appear “too hard” for the average Joe or Jane.

“”10:1 Woe to those who decree iniquitous decrees,
and the writers who keep writing oppression,
2 to turn aside the needy from justice
and to rob the poor of my people of their right,
that widows may be their spoil””

And there you got Beth Hell GB. They aint got long. (Isa66:6)

“”6 “The sound of an uproar from the city!
A sound from the temple!
The sound of the Lord,
rendering recompense to his enemies!””

Beth Hell is the Matthew 22 “City of Murders”…
[QUOTE who=”the Mad JW”]Satan and his Legion are responsible.
Yet Christ is the Head- so I don’t think he’ll let them slide too far![/QUOTE]

We know the concept of the “seven times”. It is a 2520 as well. It ended in 1914 in a Babylon “gentile time” and Jerusalem “kingdom” disruption “trampling”, which JUST SO HAPPENED [?] to conclude that prophecy in 1914?

No, it was divine, because of the many prophecy errors Russell made he got that one correct in it’s timing meaning. It means there is LIMITED TIME for the current demon regime.

Well, there is a “seven times” that is simple math and logic in Revelation 11. There are TWO witnesses which are each 1260 days, or 2520 days, or “seven times” which began with the 1914-1918 barrage of information from God.

NOTHING else was going to mobilize what is today at least 7 million Jehovah’s Christian witnesses like the average Christian on steriods, speed and extra oxygen.


Well there is still a future 1260 days “witnessing” cycle from the same locale of the TWO. (Rev10:11)

And the feat, events, timing and JUDGEMENT that is going to set off another RECOGNIZED UNDENIABLE PROPHECY FULFILLING REAL-TIME IN THE FACE is when Daniel 8:13-14 falls on the JW Org and JWs, for a judgment and a test, because it BEGINS Rev8:1-8 as Rev8-11, A SECOND TIME, as well.

JWs will be driven into the “right condition” relatively quickly, because the magnitude of the full Christ arrival as ALSO MESSIANIC KINGDOM KING OF KINGS >>>WILL<<< get a warning commensurate with the true seriousness of that event which is coming by the time Revelation 8 gets to Revelation 11:11-12.

And a couple things need to be cleaned up, clarified fully, and fessed up to in the nasty work of a GB JWs NEVER did require to “gitterdone”; In fact, the GB INSULT to God, Christ, Christians, men, dogs and all the world has IMPEDED JW progress, they are holding up the show, fulfilling apostasy lawlesness prophecy, and now they MUST be removed in an in the face global event, but men will not do it, so God shall. (Zech3:5; Isa66:6; Matt22:1-14)

Yes, this apostasy is prophecy, what IBSA/JWs have accomplished is prophecy, what has happened to JWs already is prophecy, what will happen to JWs is prophecy and the recovery, cleansing, successful final warning and “seven times” completion as 1260+1260, (2) Witnessings X 1260 days, 2520 days leading to RIVAL world government and the Christ Super-Arrival with a 1000 BILLION angels and more is also well TIMED, IN THE FACE, prophecy coming to completion of a small amount of truly final years for this POS system.

IT CANNOT SLIDE TOO FAR! And you can bet if it kept going like it is it would get worse with JWs and it would go too far.

So, something will change the course SOON. The GB will try to sell Russia as KN as Daniel 11:44 way way too soon as per 2Thess2:2.

BUT, it will be Daniel 11:41-43, and Daniel 11:41 is the context of Daniel 8:13-13 temple judgment. Rev16:1-9 first four plagues is the context of Rev8 first four trumpets.

Give this a chance, it is required, to get JWs back on track and many others, ANOTHER IN THE FACE PROPHECY CYCLE AND “SECOND WITNESS” IS REQUIRED, NEEDED, AND GUARANTEED.

It IS coming. The GB are a FORETOLD lawless spectacle of glory hounding from day one 1976 REPROACHES piling clear to heaven now. (Dan8:11-14; Dan11:30-35; 2Thess2:1-12)

It merely REPEATS in case anyone missed the first witnessing or in case we need a REMINDER what it is the Christian MISSION is all about, KINGDOM COMING!

[QUOTE who=”jad2017″]Watchtower May 15, 1995:

A striking flash of light shone on the book of Revelation with the publication of the article “Birth of the Nation” in The Watch Tower of March 1, 1925. It had been thought that Revelation chapter 12 described a war between pagan Rome and papal Rome, with the male child representing the papacy. But that article showed that Revelation 11:15-18 had a bearing on the meaning of chapter 12, indicating that it relates to the birth of God’s Kingdom.

This is one example, of hundreds that will appear here to show that the WTS does not have the light of truth. Light gets brighter. But the previous light is not darkness….as the above example shows. The idea that “the war between pagan Rome and papal Rome” was “light” in any sense of the word is false.

The above idea…. “the war between pagan Rome and papal Rome”….is simply false doctrine. I wonder what false doctrine the WTS is giving today…only to be changed under the name of NEW LIGHT? We will get to Proverbs 4:18 someday to see what that verse is really saying.

Would any JW care to help me understand how false doctrine can be stated as light? [/QUOTE]

Well the principal is the same. For example Star Wars explores Biblical themes with much artistic license. But the Bible had it first.

Vatican City ends up, had their plan succeeded owning Rome and all of Italy in a terminal default. The US “District of Columbia” is the same kind of racket as is “The City of London”, they are cells of King North globalist sovereignty beyond the grips of the national government legal systems which they are parasites upon like a tapeworm.

The UN is the “Global Supreme Court” who will be empowered to vest all the globe to DC and London Globalist Sovereigns in terminal global financial meltdown no matter the speed of the reaction.

The UN will be the legal department in charge of the ownership of all the nations to be managed by the Global Financial Authority of also “World Government”.

So, it is a principal that was expressed when the Catholic System tried to abscond with Europe, but the Reformation proved to big a rival, now it is split and it is only in the BTG harlot’s sphere of limited influence now.

BUT, the dynamic is real and it is all an exponent of the “war in heaven” as to why the future global seizure into world governemnt “recievership” will be the successful one for “one hour” of Revealtion 17:12.

It is all related, they are a filament in the “light bulb” of the “five discreet virgins” who will be able to “connect all the dots” into one BIG PICTURE soon for the final warning, in simple terms, but not too simple.

[QUOTE who=”jwToTruth”]so according to your logic each church is a separate religion?

because we have

non denominational


those are the major Christian groups. it might be fairer to call each of those 9 major groups individual religion​s.

truth is most of those 9 major groups share the foundation of Jesus as our salvation,

compared to being a JW or in only one specific organization

Yes, religious systems are defined by their corporate rule book (if the Bible were their “rule book” it would be one faith; but alas it is not so. Each one condemns the other, but can no longer burn each other at the stake because the Queen said no no.

So, you are just buying the con where they ACT like they all get along; but they don’t. Some people love their neighbor, some don’t and the judgment will be what says who is who from GOD.

If we leave it up to humans corners will always be cut and a con will be sold to the sheep for their skins as if Christainity in a clean form. But its an act, the basis of the term “hypocrisy”, all an act.

Just look at JWs, the supposed defenders of the faith did the exact same thing, it is IN the flesh of Adam, BAD to the BONE core.

It is what it is, it means the SACRIFICE of Christ is all that is covering OUR sorry asses.

Bittersweet good news. (Rev14:6-8)

But, admission is the first step. Playing the con is hot greasy rails to hell. (or worse)

[QUOTE who=”jwToTruth”]The churches that were mentioned in Revelation were not perfect but they were still Christs church.

personal desicions should be made when we decide what church to attend, some are not as good as others.

but their is one faith, one baptism, one salvation, in Jesus Christ


First off it is not a “religion” it was supposed to be the “faith” of Christ; Rev14:12

Which means the whole thing is really one whacked out flock, but its the same old story. God cannot look at a “religious label” he sees us for what we REALLY are at the core, the heart.

THAT is the only way the final judgment can be handled, because all “religions” go bad, if God did the “religion thing” no one would be saved. Religions are shameless shams just like Rutherford said: RELIGION (ALL of them) is a Racket and a Snare.

Faith is life, religion is a hoax. FAITH FAITH FAITH

You do not need to go to some corporate warehouse of lost sheep. Christian pattern is meeting at their homes; PERIOD. But, you can use an old warehouse, just keep religion OUT of the picture.

When JWs are recovered it will have to focus on the faith.

[QUOTE who=”rsss1″]<quoted text>

From many denominations?[/QUOTE]

From many RELIGIONS, not just “denominations” as if just Christians are saved.

We know this because many of Revelation 18:4’s God’s “my people” NOW in BTG, will not leave int ime; but that don’t mean God won’t crash BTG and the churches to get them out.

So in a way from many religions, but then again those religions will be destroyed to free “1/10 the city” of Revelation 13:3.

God is looking at Romans 2 humans, actions, not “religions”, they will fall to free his people now scattered in many religions. Even if they do not have faith in Christ, they do have faith in God by “loving their neighbor as themselves” which there are people like that everywhere, so even some people without religion will be saved.

There are some things int eh Bible that are simply stated in black and white plain as day, yet people seem to not be able to read (Romans2):

12 For all who have sinned without the law will also perish without the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law. 13 For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified. 14 For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them 16 on that day when, according to my gospel, God judges the secrets of men by Christ Jesus.


So, if a man who is uncircumcised keeps the precepts of the law, will not his uncircumcision be regarded[b] as circumcision?

The more people one tries save, the more likely one will be saved. (Rev14:6-8)
[QUOTE who=”Omega “]What’s the similarities ?

Loyalty tests and blame (game) the rank and file !

All demigod DICTators are the same. !



They want to villianize Russia for the world war, Trump is tied in whether it is true or not.

King North is Globalist World Government by terminal globalization completing in the future.

The GB frames Russia with slander they are King North, to distract attention from their globalist UN masters, hence UN NGO, prophecy silencers, and what not.

So there is a Trump+GB connect, not to mention Jared Kushner and all that DUMBO jazz.

To prove this, when the SHTF with US vs Russia, the GB will tell JWs it is Daniel 11:44 too soon.

It will really be Daniel 11:41-43. King South USA and Russia will both fall as national king south systems.

King North is world government.

[QUOTE who=”Sparlock”]<quoted text>

You want so badly for this irrelevant religion to be something. It never has been and never will be.

There’s a reason why nobody talks about this religion unless they have personal ties or experience with it. Nobody talks about it because this religion is irrelevant. Just another false religion on the scrap heap.[/QUOTE]

Well at least you have hope you can preserve your eternal warm fuzzy bubble. But, when it starts to activate the Daniel 8:13-14 inception of the final temple judgment cycle, and it appears for a little while JWs are going down for good (Dan11:41; Dan8:13), it will actually be timed and the final activation of Revelation 8:1-8; because as per the easy-peasy 2, TWO WITNESSES concept, there will be a final witnessing (Rev10:11), it will affirm 1914-1918 WitnessOne and then some, it will be as “tribulation of those days” “heals” as the final sword stroke coming up into 8th King/King North world government and then, you know, the Christ arrival shall occur.

But if you are as magical as you appear in fantasy construction even that may not wake you up that all beings are accountable, even God obeys his own laws.

Many people have come to like a free-for-all system where most are not accountable. Poor things, we are accountable and that to well beyond human. The guys who made this Milky Way shall hold everyone accountable, some for good, some for bad, for our own actions. Admission is the first step in the right direction. (Romans 2:12+)

[QUOTE who=”the Mad JW”]<quoted text>

What men do is no concern of mine- especially those long DEAD.
My Brotherhood- as any- has its own unique problems- but is STILL the ONLY one promoting the ONLY True God and Christ- and their glorious Kingdom![/QUOTE]

If you had the faith you should have by now, you would know they are not “long dead”. What in the HELL do you think we are doing here? Believing in death, then as Paul said we would be most to be pitied if that is how we felt.

The brothers live as Christ offeres and the last group is coming in and some Wildbeast ass will be kicked amidst the BIGGEST OPEN SALVATION MESSAGE PUSH IN HISTORY after JWs go down and up like a Yo Yo!, Yo, God is on the way.

A full fair warning must precede the Christ arrival.

And yes Jehovah’s witnesses are the group for this epic period since 1914. But JWs also represent the UN and cannot see any problem with such a partnership. So, no, 1914-1950s JWs were the propmoters you speak of, JWs are misled at the moment temporarily, but we are riding the coattails in we think, of PAST JWs you refer to as dead, JWs are using the works and record of once stalwartly anti-wildbeast witnesses and thinking that’s gonna work.

It aint. Expect Daniel 8:13-14 shortly. (1Pet4:17) If you think you are the WJ House of God, then expect judgment FIRST, because you have gotten that correct, Jehovah’s Witnesses are the modern “House of God” for Witness Mission, but have teamed on with the UN NGO and that aint gonna fly long.

JWs can tend UN NGO and pedophiles but you can’t say shit around them primadonnas. What a joke. Strained the gnat, gulped a UN camel. You better fully open your eyes like a cat. Enough of this one-eye-half-open new born kitten routine for years.

OPEN YOUR EYES! Like you try to get others to do.

[QUOTE who=”Sparlock”]<quoted text>

And let’s remember, it is the Watchtower that claims Jesus lied about being resurrected. They claim God just scrapped Him and made a new one.[/QUOTE]

It is called the “re-creation”. It is related to Matthew 19:28, because Jesus former self had to be given TO GOD as a perfect human sacrifice (Heb10) which to God is not rightfully “dead” so future human beings and everything down below in the planetary life system (Eze47:9; Gen1:26-28) can benefit from that perfect blood (more than atonement), body (Heb10:10) and essentially, in elementary human terms, THE perfect planetary “DNA”, for all DNA of this world is from the same Master Genome. (Heb2:14; now compromised by Satan and human sin in synergy resulting in death to all earthly creatures; but not for long; Rom8:18-22)

So it would be understandable an interim group of anointed Christians via post 1500’s, “gradually given over” (Dan8:12) to be hi-jacked by a bunch of GB intel op actors and fakes of Rev2:2, proven as such in public (Dan11:32a), would, as a whole development now out of anointed oversight, make some mistakes with the depth of even the basics of the concept of a real divine “regeneration” or a “re-creation” or a Re-Genesis or “Genesis 2.0 Rebirth” if you will, of a true reality in the making made assuredly such by the near-accomplished will of God in the fully-accomplished Earthly mission of Christ.
“It has been accomplished” were Christ’s last words.

To simplify, the act of God “restoring” or “recreating” or “rebirthing” Christ from divine data within himself taking the form of personal information for the true basis of the being of immortal wisdom that was Christ at rebirth time, and is Christ now, “once again” from basically “thin air” means there is nothing of a complexity beyond God’s ability to restore it. God can recreate EVERYTHING. (Matthew 19:28, and Christ is to be the “Master Worker” once again in it;)

Remember your first dog if you had one? Well he will be in paradise, but the question is will you? Will I? Will the bum passed out on the bench? Yes, Christ gives the first “free pass” to get to day one of the trek to Eden day one over 1000 years.

It will be extremely difficult to be found a human so obstinate as to be tossed into the lake of fire. Yet, of course, some humans will accomplish that feat none the less.

1260 days + 1290 days = Bible prophecy one “week” (Gen7), of which the Daniel 9:26 “last half of the week” is the 1290 days of Temple Salvation and Ultimate Conquest of the sovereign rivals.

But JWs have become “mainstream” and only speak of these context up to the 1945 UN context and no further because as per Daniel 11:32a they have been hijacked by a King North reality they help decoy as the USSR fail of Daniel 11:27b, contrary to the King North required success of Daniel 11:36.

The other “3 days” is the sign of Jonah which is also in Hosea 6:3 as the Daniel 8:14 “evening” (3.19 years, 1150 days, half 2300 days) of JW judgment coming up well before the final week begins.

JWs need to stop being fashionable harlots and start piping up with some modern truth, not dated past truths of WW2. Time to get with the real times.

The GB is who led JWs to this judgment. (Daniel 11:41-43, Dan8:13-14)

Jehovah’s witnesses is the ministry all can learn from. But with God all have been learning by also the bad actions of leaders who have been entrusted with the ministry. This is why though God entrusts responsibility, the Bible ONLY directs TRUST to God and Christ. So, God does not “trust” anything until he tests it like he did Christ.

So, JW leaders have joined the UN, introduced massive lawlessness being covered up by “smooth word” ugly-pretty boys, men who count beans and eat JW food for free, and now people will continue to learn from JWs, because when God entrusts responsibility there is ALWAYS an accounting to reward the good and to account the bad.

At this juncture, the GB is fatal spirituality and this judgment will not be pretty but it will become recognizable fulfilling prophecy of Daniel 8:13-14. So, even in bad circumstances the JW context will still be used by God to teach people about the final cycle and the global indications that will lead to the Christ arrival, such as world government.

JWs have been honed into an ignorable drone, so God will through in the Isaiah 28:21 curve ball and get us and the world in the cup as the wake up call of Haggai 2:7 and Matthew 25:1-13.
[QUOTE who=”Sparlock”]<quoted text>

Eventually you are going to have to deal with the reality that your dreams about this religion are just that — your dreams.

There are guys just like you in every religion like the Watchtower that has ever popped up over the centuries. I get it. I know you want to believe that you have figured out all the mysteries. It’s human nature to want all the answers.

And so many have come before you throughout the ages who had it all figured out in their heads that their religion was the true one. Their religion was the one that clearly and obviously was fulfilling all these bible prophecies.

And then, over the years, their religions withered and died. Many of them no doubt went to their graves fully convinced they were right. Certainly some of them faced the hard reality of watching their religion slowly die off the way the Watchtower is now. And I’m sure it was so painful to be forced to realize that you dedicated your life thinking you had matched up all the pieces only to find out you had completely ignored the actual message the whole time.

And now it’s your turn. I’m not condemning you. Far from it. Condemning people is the Watchtower way. But there’s not a doubt in my mind that you don’t know deep inside, just like duh-boy knows but fights it within himself, just like nomi knows but fights within herself, just like 3rddub knows and fights within himself, just like so many who have been afflicted with this religion know but don’t want to acknowledge, that years upon years have been dedicated to some religion that never was what it claimed to be and never was what its followers thought it was.

It’s hard to let all that go. It’s hard to just admit you wasted all those years, so fighting to not acknowledge it seems better. Who wants to admit that they wasted so much of their life in service to some corporate religion that meant absolutely nothing? Now that is a hard pill to swallow. And it takes a lot of discipline, a lot of maturity, and a strong faith to be able to let it all go and decide to seek God instead. These are the uncomfortable truths I spoke of in another thread.

Once it becomes clearly obvious that this religion cannot be the truth, then only you can decide what you’re going to do with that knowledge. Just keep on because the alternative is too scary or decide that walking with God is worth more than trying in vain to piece numbers together to solve a puzzle that you were explicitly told you would never solve.[/QUOTE]

Well I believe you believe what you believe as you believe I believe what I believe. LOL

BUT, you are correct, God also knows people want the answer. The answer is Christ and actually the couple things, God and Christ, which people can agree on, controversy of religions shirt circuits it into arguing. So, I consider what I believe the FAITH, not a religion as per Rev14:12.

The answers from God are covered in Revelation 1:1 in that he knows people want to know “the things which must shortly take place”. So, GOD shall provide a human system pattern of development to a point it can be fully recognized.

Now I am not religious nor in a “religion” because they ALL are the problem and why BTG is related for us so we can simply bag them in the bra of the harlot, though being the harlot “herself” and move on quickly. It is the FAITH to God as well, not a “religion”.

So, the ministry Christ began was NOT the “founding of a new religion” it was the completion of the same faith of Abel, Enoch and Noah which moved with the human families of Genesis 10 who founded nations from very large families though they all are related as we are. There are “hel brothers and sisters”, there are also “billionth brothers”, all people are related.

Now, we know God TOO must and does observe his creation, not through religious windows but those of faith, it is the only way to assess a person fro what we are, to the core.

Thus, as per Romans 2:12+, and Revelation 14:6-8 by faith, NOT RELIGION, any human being can be saved, and as per 2Thess2:1-2 it will not be “theif in the night” for those with faith, there will be limited but plenty of time to secure the final pattern for it is the same one the Genesis 10 “70 nations” wound up at at Genesis 11, the first “world government” attempt under the first King on earth, King Nimrod.

But the catastrophe the GB fakes will lead JWs to will be a future affirmation of the same pattern they have been relating since 1914-1918’s first 1260 days, namely a judgment with the divine intent of waling many people up to reality. JWs have blathered and cajoled that former jolt of a warning that there is only so much time into a hypnotic buzz. So now God must “Taze” the place into another awakened state by way of the events, purpose, timing and dual phasing of Daniel 8:13-14,26.
Now if I am wrong then I must admit it, but if you are wrong it would also be wise to adjust your view for the intent is the full warning of the final global indications of the Christa arrival shall become known as per Revelation 1:1, and Jehovah’s witnesses already have been in the global “religious” spotlight, and must continue there as God finishes what he started especially a vehicle with his name on it and the end of it is into Christ’s Administration in person, so the apostasy of the GB is “the generation” that passes away in this notable foretold apostate phase since their Reign of Error in the 70’s. ANyone can read of the “generation” Jesus spoke of because it was people with faith overtaken by apostates like the GB Pharisees, and that pattern is clearly present among JWs and leading them from the top cashing in to the tune of 30 billion for King North, and it is all forensically ascertainable from 1971 to the UN NGO that these GB clowns are not Christian much less anointed but are the “certain men have slipped in” that Jude was also warning about in his day as it repeats in our day.

Now there is a precedent that this all repeats, it has been repeating; so the JW downfall is a harbinger for Christendom and a disaster also for those mistaking faith in religion for faith in God and Christ, but they too can be saved, as JWs will also be set straight fast, disasters can lead to salvation for those taking the wake up and discipline.

So, we have a “second witnessing” of the TWO witnesses, 1260 days as well. But the final wrap up, after the timing of the cleansing judgment of Daniel 8:13-14, is when the 1260 days comes as it leads through the “tribulation of those days” into world government. JWs can be broken from their wildbeast ride as UN NGO as the record lingers (“transgression causing desolation” of Dan8:13), that is why they form a sign.

Christendom will also ride out the tribulation which “heals” this coming world war “sword stroke” (Rev13:3; Rev17:8-13; Isa41:1) “global problem” into the world government “global solution”; unfortunately the harlot member Christendom will most definitely fulfill Revealtion 13:3 in egenral and sell world government wildbeast as if “God’s Kingdom on earth everyone!”.

That is the problem, that is the track UN NGO JWs are also upon, and that is what will come but JWs must be disrupted from their wildbeast track, knocked out into an eventual awakening, and they must repent and give the final update, and all this will come, then you can give your analyses and opinion again. In the meantime I do not hate you, or anyone, because the truth is ANYONE CAN BE SAVED. BUT, they must be told what Revelation 14:6-8 means, when it comes with Christ arrival, and not to be freaked out just accept the offer and come into the Angel Camps all over earth for a small picnic and briefing.

Now as per Matthew 10:23, for those not able to be told, God will fairly and squarely assess all mankind by Romans 2:12 principle, and anyone with a drop of decency and love will be saved too.


This is because in Revelation 14:1, because as Christ said “you will by no means finish” the ministry people as per Matthew 10:23, CHRIST himself shall complete his own ministry on Earth as Mighty God and a ton of angels with him shall help offer the Revelation 14:6-7 offer, “man” the salvation camps (Rev7:9-17; Rev14:14-16), and what not and all shall complete the ministry with Christ that final 1260 days is to lead into directly (Rev11:1-10), all in the 1290 day Daniel 12:11 period.

Christ and the Angels with God can complete the whole, and it goes on 1000 more years and into all eternity; it will be the way it will be forever.

It is all good news as bad as the JW Org downfall shall be, its purpose is good. It is a reminder.

[QUOTE who=”TempleMicrowave”]<quoted text>

You are wasting precious time in your own “reality”. But there is time, I feel you will catch on and avail yourself of Revelation 14:6-7’s guaranteed offer when the time comes, when world government and Christ come and you SEE AND FEEL world government has no good plans for you.

But God has a PURPOSE for you if you choose to seize it.

I do not disagree with JWs, they just stalled and broke some bad with the GB, but they will have to finish what they started. (Rev10:11)

SOON, but it takes the timings of Daniel 8:14 and Rev11:3 to complete into the Christ arrival AFTER world government completes officially stated. (1Thess5:1-3)

We got over 15 years, not much over.



Daniel 8:14 and Rev11:3 timings of 1150 days minimum, 2300 days probable for Daniel 8:13-14 leads to the final 1260 days warning of Revelation 11:3 which converges into world government which triggers the Christ arrival.

The 1260 days is the most extensive cross-referenced timing and event in the Bible also doubly certain as Revelation 11:2, Revelation 12:14, Revelation 13:5 and Daniel 7:25, Daniel 12:7.

You shall see the precursor events that lead into the 1260 days very clearly because it is the JW Org required downfall trampling of Daniel 8:13.

You shall see some of it on CNN, you know, provided you do not step out in front of a bus today or tomorrow; which you probably will not.

The final global indications of the Christ arrival will be made known by battered and recovered JWs as Revelation 9-11’s final cycle coming up after the Daniel 8:13-14 events and timing of the temple judgment of Jehovah’s witnesses completes int time.

There will no longer be a “GB”. Thank God. (Zech3:5) Adiablo, GB. (2Thess2:3-4,9-12; Zech3:3, Rev2:2)
[QUOTE who=”Nomi”]Jehovah GOD has the ability to know anything, and everything. When he chooses to use it. Not Omnipresent tho. No need to be.[/QUOTE]

The energy which defines atoms is “omnipresent” so to speak. Though God is not present in the way the world describes “omnipresence”, the energies of this universe derive from Jehovah. And because he is THE eternal God Almighty, there is a WHOLE JEHOVAH on every sub atomic particle by his spirit so in a way that is why he can cause anything from “before the founding of the world”, all time and reality and all its perception is in God’s control, he really is “everywhere” from time immemorial, to today to all eternity.

That is what makes him THE Almighty God Jehovah. NOTHING is “impossible” to him but sin, he knows no limitations of even time and reality which he has placed in the control of Jesus Christ, though not the “original” Almighty God just about as good as Jehovah as far as anyone will EVER become, becoming such by Jehovah’s CAUSATIVE POWERS.

And he is getting ready to drop in in about 15 years. TWO MIGHTY GODS are dropping in plus the Almighty God included. Hold on to your hat.
[QUOTE who=”the Mad JW”]The “BROAD and SPACIOUS road leading to destruction.
MOST people are on it, the Major Churches.

FEW find the Truth that leads to Eternal Life.

Sad, biblical fact.[/QUOTE]

In the final call to lead to Revelation 14:6-8 in full force many roads are hit for final sheep, even the broad road:

“”Go therefore to the main roads and invite to the wedding feast as many as you find.’ 10 And those servants went out into the roads and gathered all whom they found, both bad and good. So the wedding hall was filled with guests.”‘

Matthew 22

After JW Org goes down (Dan8:13) and the GB “City of Murder” is deposed and exposed it will help some people get off the wrong ways. (Matt22:1-14; Rev11:13)

JWs were the first sign in IBSA, and JWs will be the center of the final “sign of Jonah” (Hos6:1-3). For good or UNNOGO bad, JWs fulfill prophecy, for good, or bad, it is the sign of the final stage and JWs get Isa 38, 15 final years to wrap it up with Rev11:3 God’s “cause my witnesses” help”.

TWO witnesses:

1914-1918 IBSA

Future final 1260 days: Jehovah’s witnesses

For good it will come true whether the servant goes good or bad it fulfills Zechariah 3 prophecy, Revelation 8:1-8, Malachi 3:1-5, 1Peter 4:17 in the JW apostate context of UN 3rd placement cover up in Daniel 11:30-35 context where the GB are “those leaving the holy covenant” of defective anointed who “throw truth to the earth” of Daniel 8:12 and stumble many people, but God refines with the outcome. (Dan11:32-35)


===[QUOTE who=”jace”]<quoted text>
Why would you say that an American 501c corporation ( a book publishing company) be the fulfillment of a bible prophecy

Because they bamboozled And hoodwinked folks into wasting their sat to hawk their products
How does that qualify as a biblical prophecy ?

You guys love to give way too much credit to the Watchtower boys

If you got duped by an insurance company would you conclude they were some biblical prophecy because they called themselves :

“Christian Insurance Corp”

no you wouldn’t if you realized they were. Ripping folks off

Maybe fraud and a racket

Because it is a prophecy all shall witness as the “sign of Jonah”, Daniel 8:13-14, the “transgression causing desolation” is the UN NGO of Daniel 11:31 in 1990, in Daniel 8:13.

The proof is JWs go down hard for 3 years bandying a fake end of the world “report” as the GB tells them the Russian eruption is Daniel 11:44.

But IN REALITY we will be at Daniel 11:41, and the world will be finalizing Daniel 11:42-43 as the nation-state system globally defaults into KN financial and military control en route to world government. 7th King falls into 8th King World Government rise. (Rev13:3; Rev17:8-13)

Now world government has you slated for termination eventually (you and yours are a burden to the globalists), if you want to live you will choose Christ and the Revelation 14:6-8 offer of a lifetime.

First, JWs will go down for 3.19 years so you can catch on as you SEE some of it on CNN soon.

[QUOTE who=”pcloadletter”]<quoted text>
THEY HAVEN’T SAID THAT- “Russia= King of the North” – in a long time, that I know of.


It is on the way. It is being setup by the “Gog of Magog” change to apply to the BRICS “coalition of nations” which Russia will be part of the lead nation of. As per plain as day 2Thess2:1-2 this is to promote a PREMATURE “end of the world” delusion among JWs, so they can crash the org with a cover story which is not a prophecy, just a “self fulfilling prophecy” to give the GB great credibility for the final deceptive commands to be issued to JWs to start sending them to prison and worse, by design.

The setup is obvious, even an amateur detective could reverse engineer these clown-intel in the GB orifice.

Daniel 11:30-35 and Daniel 8:11-14 is far more precise on who, what, where, when and how of the matter of JW infiltration in modern form.

But the good news is, if JWs had no truth, the Devil would not have slipped inside. But the Destroyer will fix his wagon for him. (Zech3:1-5)

[QUOTE who=”DR SOS”]<quoted text>

Me making and observation that the JWS failed in what THEY said would happen is mocking them?

Ok let’s see… I will go over this without mocking them ok?

#1 Jehovah’s witnesses claimed from the beginning and still claim that they will be persecuted.

#2 They ACTUALLY claim to be persecuted during WW2. 15,000 JWS are killed.

#3 BETWEEN WW2 AND NOW JWS still claim to be persecuted and here we are in 2017 and religion has not been wiped out.

Is this description mocking them ?


That was revamped with the 1999 Daniel’s prophecy book. Long enough after the 3rd UN propehcy was silenced for JWs to not connect 2 and 2. Soon enough so JWs would think they were not totally ignoring 1990 and the 3rd UN they joined as UN NGO.

Well, to make a long stroy short Daniel 8:13-14 is very “back burner” among JWs. To float the change from the 1952 Daniel book, which most JWs will not have a clue, they slid up the Daniel 8:14 fictional timing to make it look like it applied to WW2, which it is for the future, btw, not a “WT charter adjustment” for we are talking the anointed temple being in the now clearly seen WRONG CONDITION, not a profane corporation of men.

But, as it were, they still keep Daniel 8:14 very back burner today too, they do not want JWs to accidentally put it all together with the Daniel 11:30-35 3rd UN event and the apostasy of the GB leading JWs into the real judgement of Daniel 8:13-14 coming up.
[QUOTE who=”jad2017″]There are two main views on this forum regarding the nature of the Holy Spirit. Christendom has, historically, understood the Holy Spirit to be a person, the third person in the Trinity. Jehovah’s Witnesses, and others, have understood the Holy Spirit to be a force, a non-personal force that originates from God, and is the power of God that is able to do His will. (Please correct me JWs if I have misrepresented your view).

This thread is an attempt to find out what the Bible says about the Holy Spirit. Is the Holy Spirit a person? Is the Holy Spirit a force?

Please post your thoughts and Bible verses to support your view.

Please be respectful to all opinions. Obviously we disagree….but we can respectfully disagree by allowing the Bible to make corrections….rather than resulting to trash talk, slander, etc. Let the Bible do the talking.

A good starting point would be to define the words “holy” and “spirit”.

And please, no data dumps and unrelated topics. Let’s make this thread easily readable for posterity….if it remains that long….and hopefully we can all learn a little bit…or reconfirm what we already know to be true.

My first objective, personally, is to learn well the JW view of what the Holy Spirit is so that I can learn how to respond accordingly. So with that desire, I would appreciate any JW post that attempts to explain what the Holy Spirit is and how they have arrived at their view from the Scripture.

I have also noted that some posters like to post pages and pages of WTS literature. I would ask that you not do that….this is a Biblical discussion….not the thinking of the WTS. If you feel like you enjoy the explanation found int WTS literature….use it…but do so in your own words. I’m trying to cut down on the copy and paste….I want your own thinking from Bible mediation.

References are always enjoyed…in moderation…and with commentary of their relevance. But please keep it within moderation so we can actually discuss at length whatever reference you think is pertinent.

I know the posters who love WTS literature and the poster who loves multiple pages of cfs will ignore my request…but I tried. [/QUOTE]

A “force” is the result of a power. Active power would be more in line, rather than “active force”. The holy spirit is God’s POWER.

POWER which created reality and its perception. No one can overcome the Inventor of All Reality. That reality is infused with potential of God, like a whole Jehovah on every sub-atomic “particle”.

THAT is what an Eternal God Almighty is all about: INDOMITABLE, easy. Just a matter of time, just a matter of time. Time also in his absolute full control to create the solution BEFORE the founding of the world, BEFORE there ever was a “problem”.

As Ezekiel 28 states, Satan is ash. Less than ash. In time, the time God creates like a pillar not a “line”.

As an optional argument regarding Lot’s wife “looking back” a more pressing reaction may have been turning around due to the angelic thunders in the distance which had to have emanated from such a pointal application of the energy of 10,000 lightning storms and 10,000 volcanoes ceramicizing the sand to glass on the Sodom beaches.

Letting that kind of “light” into the retinal passage into a human being, like seeing a eye blinding nuclear explosion even from miles away, but far more severe when emitted from angel power under ArchAngel Michael’s command and “generator”, may very well be what calcified Lot’s wife.

Wondering about the life she left behind at the time the mega angelic thunders were shaking the ground amidst heapss of dust like an eartquake would probably have been the last thing on Lot’s wife’s mind.

But classically, JWs have to take the most negative bend on everything which has now infected millions of JWs today, while they had the most positive of message, which the GB marinated in lawless self glorified leaven for the last 40 years and those negative sinful lawless men are why JWs will also have to feel some angelic thunder, but this time “IN THE TEMPLE” as per Isaiah 66:6. (Rev8:1-13)

The 666 GB has to go to the lake of fire as an entity they are just a Anglo business slave-master “board of directors” device under a “Governing Body” hi-falutin’ veneer of deception; the judgment of those scoundrels and UN schmoozers is up to God, but it does not look good for that 5 Fool Virgin “Live” Crew.

Their days are numbered, the hell they have wreaked in their 40 year reign error as modern-day Korah usurpation vipery is at the Daniel 8:13-14 end.

WARNING: At the 3.19 year point of Daniel 8:13-14 the GB will be the pointal focus of literal beyond the speed of light yotawatts of angelic angst FROM G – O – D HIMSELF. (Zech3:4-5)

The GB is TOAST.

JWs, when they are being toasted live and real-time mono-a-mono with Michael’s boys do NOT look back!
[QUOTE who=”GreatSouthbay4040″]<quoted text> I dont know where he gets this stuff from. Not even Jesus when he was on earth that is. Well, not even when he walked the earth did he know when the end will be. He was very clear that ONLY his father knew.

This guy BJ/TM has some real audacity.


[QUOTE who=”GreatSouthbay4040″]<quoted text> I dont know where he gets this stuff from. Not even Jesus when he was on earth that is. Well, not even when he walked the earth did he know when the end will be. He was very clear that ONLY his father knew.

This guy BJ/TM has some real audacity.


You say you are Jehovah’s witness huh? You do not even know the SIGNIFICANCE of the seven seals and 1914 and you say you are a witness?

Well Revelation 1:1 states the new things revealed to Christ in those scrolls would be revealed to his slaves. You oughta get this stuff, provided you are a slave of God and not just a drone making believe.

You better decide if you want to be Jehovah’s witness or not, which or not JWs are doing at the moment. You shall know when Daniel 8:13-14 hits JWs very soon, ti will be Revelation 8:1-8 and it will but BEGIN the Rev8-11 final seven trumpet blasts heralding the Mighty King into HIS towns.

You better start taking this seriously, the 1000 year reign is NOT the half-assed kind of sacrifices JWs have been throwing up lately (Mal1; Hag1), and as nice and understanding as Jesus is, he cannot be burdened by near-do-well make-believers come the time to prepare the first stages of paradise and what not.

Jesus expects stuff to get done when he says with no “conference room” BULL! JWs are big on “let us confer” cheap-ass BULL! It’s an insolent mob of bean counters is what JWs have let themselves become, winos.

You better start to realize what is going on. (Zech3:3)

God will help all JWs, but we gotta go through the UN NGO whipping session first. Sorry, it is what it is, it is what happens when big-headed men start to glorify themselves like the rotten GB viper pit has done, and their payment will be the when of greatest severities.

Lest you doubt Daniel 8:13 prescribes 3.19 years of sheer hell on earth for the JW org and JWs. You WILL understand as this manifests to start Revelation 1:1 to “know what must [also] shortly take place”.

Daniel 8:13-14 is on the way WITH the next global downturn in earnest and a world war moist likely. (Rev13:3)
omega wrote:
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are you being good to jesus’s brothers, based on their premise, that its specifically the Watchtower FDS GB gang of 8 ?

**when LORD did we help you ?** was their response according to jesus in matthew… they did not KNOW **in advance** of the judgement !
FYI, the WTBTS has been overtaken by the post 1944 “governing body” myth first, then self-titled “Governign Body” as a cloak clergy corporate term for the WTBTS “board of directors”.

This was all in preparation for the 1976 power-coup of the JW organization locus of control on January 1 of said 1976 year.

Thereby by the other corporate boards, of which there are now over 100, took control for the GB of the by now 50 BILLION in WTBTS assets, while the “Governign Body” could concentrate on Daniel 11:32a greasing the scam as the “smooth word” silver tongue purposeful silent and mum dunces. The GB are the WTBTS “front men” who make as if nothing is wrong with silencing the 1990 3rd UN prophecy of Daniel 11:30b-31, joining The UN wildbeast-image as “transgression causing desolation UN NGO of Daniel 8:13 note, which JWs have been deceived into worshiping in this 40 year long process since 1970s.

So, it is nto “Christ’s brothers” overseeing the WJ ministry now, it is the Genesis 3:15 “seed of Satan” running the joint.

The goal is to crash the JW org and then sell that event as “the end” HOAX to JWs.(Matt24:15; Dan8:12; 2Thess2:1-2)

[QUOTE who=”GreatSouthbay4040″]I hope the establishments gets a nice impression of the witnesses. Sometimes, informal witnessing can be very effective.

Financially speaking….They will likely do well. Not everyone who visits the farms eats there. Although, many bring lunch…But, the establishment must both keep and MAINTAIN a good reputation if they expect to get some runoff from some of the friends who visit the farms. All it takes is the brothers to say “Dont frequent there” and they will likely get no witnesses besides a couple of uninformed ones who straggle in ocassionally.

Witnesses are very polite and well behaved.[/QUOTE]

JWs do not “witness”. They speak dated “updates” relevant up to 1969 as far as “new light” that was actually new light.

Since that time:

1. 1999: NATO calls itself Global NATO, the world government of military as the UN “10 horns” attache.

JWs? No comment.

2. 1990, the 3rd UN prophecy fulfills Daniel 11:31 with UN as KN.

JWs? No comment.
3. WTC 911 leads to a stated “world war on terror” termed “global war” to defuse the masses:

JWs? No comment.

4. 2008 sets up a 100 trillion dollar world government partial start-up endowment, while a “new blueprint for world governemnt of finance” is revealed by Hank Paulson, then secretary of the US treasury.

JWs? No comment.

Instead JWs became a “non-governmental” organization for the wildbeast UN, while denying they are representatives of any government, even God’s Kingdom.

JWs? No comment.

More like ACCIDENTAL witnessing now-a-days for any JW.


It shall trigger Daniel 8:13-14 upon us soon.
[QUOTE who=”NorthPeace”]<quoted text>
Thanks for that. A nice Angelic looking woman on a chopper would no doubt be a novel way of spreadin’ the “Good News”. Unfortunately, it seems the only witnesses you encounter these days, either at your door or the ones you see street witnessing, are the older ones. And I do mean OLDER, at least in my burg anyway, which has a huge senior population to start with.

So forget the “Heaven’s Angel” babe on a hog thing…because the most you could expect is an old sea hag wearing a tank top with no obvious means of support, rockin’ a MOBILITY SCOOTER. lol



Well I mean the one’s who really are “Heaven’s Angels”. When they come into town with Christ cities will melt, mountains will move, NATO will be exterminated along with the rival world government. They won’t be “old ladies” anymore.

Until then the assembly catwalk will have to do for JWs who have not figured out the GB is from King North. Some wild ones have to be brought in and some are, because God is not partial, harlots and tax collectors precede the GB into the Kingdom of Heaven.

Yep some of them “new girls in town” will get in, while the GB can gnash their teeth with the hypocrites. Hate to say it, I guess some bankers will get in too.

JWs are now the picture of unfaithful Isreal, Hosea is all about JWs TODAY. That is why JWs love to talk about Israel, it distracts them from the Israel they have allowed the GB to morph them into. (Zech3:3)

[QUOTE who=”Omega”]<quoted text>

When Lord ?

In the mean time WE should reflect a Christlike attitude to all we encounter every day , not exclusively to a Church GB that demand loyality because they claim they are IT, and salvation is based on loyality to them !

Don’t be distracted by the GB whether JW or not, read and proclaim Revelation 14:6-8 which states anyone who accepts the deal will eb saved.


This is why it is called the GOOD NEWS.

Now as far as truths JWs [used to teach] before the GB misled them, those will stand, the clarification comes with the JW temple judgment.

It will be Daniel 8:13-14, it will last in horrific form upon the JW org for 3.19 years as per Daniel 8:14.

Because WJs did have truth, and corrupted by the GB worship, the judgment comes on them first. 1Pet4:17

Then the big final warning prior to world government which triggers the Christ arrival will manifest as rev10:11, Rev11:1-7.
[QUOTE who=”rsss1″]<quoted text>

Lol…..I’m sure you have scripture to prove he has felt every pound dog pain…..the bible says Jesus was tempted with everything so he can sympathize with US……what is the purple stuff?…….

What happens when in 15-17 years it doesn’t happen……are you a false prophet too?[/QUOTE]

2034 is a divine “calculation” simple enough for a seven year old. It is 1914 by Babylon incept 607 BCE, and Genesis 6:3 120 years=2034.

Very simple.

The only 1914 problem JWs have is falsely claiming Jerusalem’s destruction is what marks the 607, when Babylon as per Daniel 4 explicit MUST form the historic marker, which it does, Neb was crown-prince 607 BCE.

The gentiles are who have the “seven times” on them. The last seven times is a simpler calculation it is Rev11 (2) witnesses X 1260 days each = 2520 DAYS as final warning “seven times” to complete in the 1260 days which comes after the JW downfall coming up as Daniel 8:14.

So, we are heading into world government after a final Rev13:3 world war, and it will trigger Christ arrival and God will get crystal clear on his arrival indications sevenfold.

IT WILL GET CLEARER AND CLEARER as we proceed into JW Org DOWN, and recovery minus the dirty GB, and into world war and so on into world government as the final warning must emerge into that whole “tribulation of those days” whose first four trumpets and plagues are within these events.

JW Org down will be the undeniable sign IF you have been paying attention.

[QUOTE who=”Eagle 12″]<quoted text>
I wouldn’t be surprised.

As per isaiah 28:21 it is an “unusual deed” and a “strange work”. Because it comes on JWs first and heavily that is what will make it a “strange deed” indeed. It is designed to get the attention of many people prior to the final warning that will emerge from the JW org wreckage heap.

JW Org has sinned against God, profited much from it, and now it is time to reap the reality of what they have sown in grand manner as a global public folly and debacle of lawless reproach, UN NOGO too boot.

This event will be enormously shattering to JW org, and by that many in the world and among JWs will be seeing it as a signal in time, a signal of the main sign “temple judgment” event as Christ ALWAYS HAS and always will judge his own Temple FIRST.

The Bethel “money changers” shall be his target, Ezekiel 7:22 already states the thieves like the GB, but there are others, have indeed slipped into the temple as the final “man of lawlessness” manifestation “IN the temple” as the play God before JWs who kiss their feet like an idol.

The global context as in WW1, will become a distracting world war and severe global economic downturn which is Satan’s contextual attempt to try to distract from the real meanign of these events.

As a proff you can est in the near future, though it takes a few eyars to fully unwind, is the GB will try to renew the USSR=KingNorth lie as Russia will resume the decoy King North role as far as GB deceptions and they will tell JWs Daniel 11:44 has activated, which would proceed to the end quickly had it really been the case.


Daniel 11:41 will erupt on JW Org, Daniel 11:42-43 will be the nation-state “King South” (7th King) default and crash which leads to King North (8th King) world government dominance of all the nations by military and financial means at global scale of “globalization” “gathering the nations to Armageddon” completion. (Rev16:13-16)

The final warning will have manifested into these events after the Daniel 8:14 events and timing unwind fully on the JW Org based apostasy as the UN NGO is the “transgression causing desolation” to the JW Org which the GB sealed in as the reason why God shall let them, even require they “trample” to JW org and fully subvert the “army of JWs” as Daniel 8:12.

It is so the inception prophecy leading to the final warning has an undeniably manifested and timed judgment event to begin the final warning period which leads to the marked final 1260 days warning as this fully matures from deceptions to eyes-wide-open gitterdone reaction of the “five discreet virgins” and Revelation 9-11:1-7.

The final warning “little scroll” shall use JW Org desolations and timing of Daniel 8:14 as proof we are in the final Revelation 8-11 cycle, for there are two, just as there will be TWO “witnesses” one for each cycle, 1914-1918 and the future 1260 days.

Before world government completes to trigger the Christ arrival, the final indications will all be explained before, as, and after they manifest in all seven trumpets and plagues for a clear final warning that Christ arrival is where all these events are leading.

[QUOTE who=”Eagle 12″]<quoted text>
I wouldn’t be surprised.

As per isaiah 28:21 it is an “unusual deed” and a “strange work”. Because it comes on JWs first and heavily that is what will make it a “strange deed” indeed. It is designed to get the attention of many people prior to the final warning that will emerge from the JW org wreckage heap.

JW Org has sinned against God, profited much from it, and now it is time to reap the reality of what they have sown in grand manner as a global public folly and debacle of lawless reproach, UN NOGO too boot.

This event will be enormously shattering to JW org, and by that many in the world and among JWs will be seeing it as a signal in time, a signal of the main sign “temple judgment” event as Christ ALWAYS HAS and always will judge his own Temple FIRST.

The Bethel “money changers” shall be his target, Ezekiel 7:22 already states the thieves like the GB, but there are others, have indeed slipped into the temple as the final “man of lawlessness” manifestation “IN the temple” as the play God before JWs who kiss their feet like an idol.

The global context as in WW1, will become a distracting world war and severe global economic downturn which is Satan’s contextual attempt to try to distract from the real meanign of these events.

As a proff you can est in the near future, though it takes a few eyars to fully unwind, is the GB will try to renew the USSR=KingNorth lie as Russia will resume the decoy King North role as far as GB deceptions and they will tell JWs Daniel 11:44 has activated, which would proceed to the end quickly had it really been the case.


Daniel 11:41 will erupt on JW Org, Daniel 11:42-43 will be the nation-state “King South” (7th King) default and crash which leads to King North (8th King) world government dominance of all the nations by military and financial means at global scale of “globalization” “gathering the nations to Armageddon” completion. (Rev16:13-16)

The final warning will have manifested into these events after the Daniel 8:14 events and timing unwind fully on the JW Org based apostasy as the UN NGO is the “transgression causing desolation” to the JW Org which the GB sealed in as the reason why God shall let them, even require they “trample” to JW org and fully subvert the “army of JWs” as Daniel 8:12.

It is so the inception prophecy leading to the final warning has an undeniably manifested and timed judgment event to begin the final warning period which leads to the marked final 1260 days warning as this fully matures from deceptions to eyes-wide-open gitterdone reaction of the “five discreet virgins” and Revelation 9-11:1-7.

The final warning “little scroll” shall use JW Org desolations and timing of Daniel 8:14 as proof we are in the final Revelation 8-11 cycle, for there are two, just as there will be TWO “witnesses” one for each cycle, 1914-1918 and the future 1260 days.

Before world government completes to trigger the Christ arrival, the final indications will all be explained before, as, and after they manifest in all seven trumpets and plagues for a clear final warning that Christ arrival is where all these events are leading.

As we proceed into JW Org downfall as Daniel 8:13-14 it will get clearer and clearer every step of the way, the JW “it is the end of Satan’s world” final lie will fall flat. JWs who can be recovered for final warnign use will be recovered, but the Rev14:6-8 HUGE SALVATION call must be that ANYONE can accept that deal and be saved, JWs have to drop the holier than thou bullsh** veneer of deceptions so they can pat each others backs, breaking champagne like the game is already over, but it is only halftime and JWs are burnt out and drunk now.

JWs have done bad things with the GB and now we gotta pay a little skin.
[QUOTE who=”pcloadletter”]<quoted text>
Carchemish WAS 625, it now appears to me.

I know. “Stop the presses!” , right?


Unfortunately we are the ONLY research group saying that overall. See, all JW “time” is centered on 607 BCE, everything before it is off 20 years, everything after it is OK.

But, the reason how this happened and why they axed Ray Franz before it could lead to the fix will come out in time in full detail. Since Michael The Destroyer’s mission is bringing this out in time, of course no man or demon can stop it when it is time to go global with the update.

As per Daniel 4, the King of Babylon is who will of course mark the start of the “GENTILE times” he being the primary “gentile” symbol since Nimrod’s Babel world government op of Gen11.

The fix will make it better than it already was. That is why the KN run CIA/MI6 axed Ray Franz by use of their GB agents.

JWs are controlled by a SATAN+MI6+CIA op. It is all in Daniel 8:12 and Daniel 11:30-35. Daniel 11:32-35 is about the GB stumbling campaign now nearing its end.

Hebrews was speaking of Christ AFTER the mission was completed successfully. The thing that is the same as per Revelation 22, is that first Adam also had immortality offered to him; if he could get by the tree of knowledge the tree of life would be accessible.

Hence Revelation 22 opens the door to humans to also achieve immortality for the “holy city” will all be immortal 144,000 and 1, Christ. HUMANS will be who can “access the city by its gates”.

Christ got access to that tree and became immortal, all fullness of God given to him is Revelation 4-5 as a description of the totality of the event, including the seven seals understanding.

Had he remained a man, the tree of life would have been granted him. Because his life is not terminated legally, by sacrifice God can now extend that tree of life offer to the children of the last Adam Eternal Father, so Last Adam shall complete that tier of immortality for the Father after the 1000 Year reign has ended.

Because a GB Tree of Knowledge has fruit JWs have eaten, these last things are hidden from them. Because they offered you and other Christendomheads a version of the “by its gates” city pass, but you persist in the knowledge eaten from the Papal Trinity tree, you also remain in the dark.

So, Jehovah shall shock the system of both groups of sleepwalkers which event process must begin before 2022.

It 1Pet4:17 starts with JWs, and they will have to issue their own condemnation for this cycle, though repentant by that time, that the IBSA and JWs issued on Christendom, first in 1919.

Many things first will be lst and last first, as that is to be an example all can learn from when Daniel 8:13-14 falls on the sinnner JW organ UN NGO, because they still got the wildbeast VD, even if they let the wildbeast pull out, he still spawned the GB nasty baby, now full grown “man of lawlessless” and Zech3:1-3.

It shall be EPIC, but so shall the global crashtime be epic as a distraction as in WW1.
It is the 1914-1918 IBSA power cell of prophecy truth which repeats for the JW 2020’s recovery and the relighting of that older oil, but in final repeating form.

It is the “oil” the GB are trying to dump from all JW receptacles.

It is Revelation 8-11:

Witness 1: IBSA, 1260 days, 3.5 times, 1914-1919

Witness 2: Jehovah’s WItnesses, 1260 days, 3.5 times, = 2520 days, 7 times, 2020s, future

Very simple based on the original “oil”.

TWO global witnessings preceed Christ arrival, but JWs have to be judged so the fool virgins can depart as Daniel 8:13-14 transpires soon.

Like Christendom, at present, Lil’ Christendom JWs live in GB fed denial.
[QUOTE who=”apocalypse”]When you know the facts, the answer comes into focus. I know the facts because I helped expose the secret love affair between the WTBTS and the UN. I communicated with the reporter and published the letter that the UN sent me, and in the summer of 2016, after more than 15 years, I went to the UN to meet personally at the location where Watchtower’s representatives signed documents swearing that we JWs agreed to the principles of the UN Charter. I also was supplied by the UN with copies of Awake magazine that are on file at the UN, articles written and submitted for the sole purpose of fulfilling WT’s obligations under the registered affiliation.

When you understand the truth as clearly as do I, then he answer to the question “should I stay or become a JW” is as plain as day.[/QUOTE]

The “transgression causing desolation” is the UN NGO foretold in Daniel 8:13. So, although the rotten GB led JWs into wildbeast worship and the dotted outline of the 666 if they remain in denial, it is the key final cycle inception prophecy of Daniel 8:13-14 which is timed for future proof for when the “desolation” “trampling” comes on th JW org with the next big war and crash cycle. (Rev13:3)

This is why Matthew 24:15 applied and if you are a Jehovah’s witness you also need to flee the location of apostasy as the “apostate Jerusalem” symbol of Matthew 24:15 is now JWville, JW org as per Revelation 8:1-8, and one is to FLEE LIKE HELL from a ministry about to pay the price for worshiping the wildbeast as UN NGO in 1991-2001, but remaining in denial as good as still worshiping the wildbeast UN-image.

But, the GB did something else too, they CONCEALED the 3rd UN event prophecy of Daniel 11:31 which reveals the UN Globalists are also KING NORTH world government engineers at work after the Coold War.

This deception and subversion is all in Daniel 8:11-12 which precedes the judgment coming on Jehovah’s witnesses. It is all there, it is all prophecy, the who, why, WHEN, where and HOW by the dirty GB is all in the prophecy of Daniel 8:11-14 and Daniel 11:30-35.

The GB is the final manifestation of the Man of Lawlessness and that mundane lying entity (Rev2:2) is doomed, it is purged 100% 3.19 years into Daniel 8:13 at the latest. JW Org is going down and some of it will be on CNN and it will be timed for 2300 evenings and mornings which is 3.19 years minimum, 6.38 years probable.

It results in the Zechariah 3:1-5 and Revelation 8 purification by fire and Jehovah’s witnesses disciplined and approved will have to “prophesy again” for the second witness of Revelation 10:11 and the final 1260 days leads into world government which will trigger the Christ arrival.

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About 607-
[Insight, “Chronology”]

“From 997 B.C.E. to desolation of Jerusalem.

A helpful guide to the overall length of this period of the kings is found at Ezekiel 4:1-7 in the mimic siege of Jerusalem that the prophet Ezekiel carried out at God’s direction.

From the division of the kingdom in 997 B.C.E. to the fall of Jerusalem in 607 B.C.E. was 390 years.

“The right [side, on which Ezekiel lay] indicates the south, i.e. the Kingdom of Judah which lay to the south or right…. Judah’s corruption lasted forty years beginning soon after Samaria’s fall.

According to Malbim, the time is reckoned from the thirteenth year of the reign of Josiah … when Jeremiah began his ministry.(Jer. i. 2).”—Edited by A. Cohen, London, 1950. ”


JER 1:1 These are the words of Jeremiah the son of Hilkiah, one of the priests in Anathoth in the land of Benjamin.

2 The word of Jehovah came to him in the days of Josiah the son of Amon, the king of Judah, in the 13th year of his reign.

3 It came also in the days of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah, the king of Judah, until the completion of the 11th year of Zedekiah the son of Josiah, the king of Judah, until Jerusalem went into exile in the fifth month.

2 Kings 22:1, 2
22 Josiah was eight years old when he became king, and he reigned for 31 years in Jerusalem. His mother’s name was Jedidah the daughter of Adaiah from Bozkath.
2 He did what was right in Jehovah’s eyes and walked in all the ways of David his forefather, and he did not deviate to the right or to the left.

2 Chronicles 36:1-23 covers the next 22 years, until Zedekiah deposed, and Jerusalem desolated, 607, then the decree of Cyrus in 538, getting them back on land [undesolated] 537, 70 years later.


PC, you can’t use anything before 607 BCE in WT chronology, because 607 became the center point of the JW clock. But atleast it is just adding about 20 years to everything 607 and before. After 537 it all squares up again.

Now if you really get into this, you can’t use WT source. But luckily the world has King Neb 607 BCE crown-prince, which is significant for our needs. 2 years variance is much better than 20 years, because two years can be accounted in just the way Jews counted time. No mater when in the year an event fell, it was marked in that year. So, if they did something the last day of the year at the start and the last day of the year in the beginning, there is two years in itself.

But, what will happen is Albright and the others and other chronologies will all be in that 2 year range, at worst before 940 BC a ten year variation.

You will have to form TWO possible timelines, the WT one and the other, and the other can have a few tiers and until you get familiar you won’t easily find all the Bible source info easily ascertainable, but Albright will have it and those others.

But, in time, the King Neb 607-605 event will stand out and it is the saving event for the rest of the timeline, and it keeps 1914 intact, but with NO dating glitch.

JWs will have to do this after the SHTF on the Org. After a few months of this, I came to have more respect for “gentile times” chronology and realized why God MUST use the gentile’s own timeline for the final warning. Plus, it honors Daniel 4, because the “Kingdom of the World” is the “new tree” Christ takes over from the gentiles while preserving many gentiles alive, as per Daniel 4:20+.

It will come out after the JW org tumble.

Apostate, Greenhorn and Coma – Attorneys at Lawlessness, MOL

At one time when you compared Jehovah’s witnesses to the world complex mental state they used to be far-sighted and ahead of the game.
Not any more though.

Today’s JW demographic has slid into a greenhorn dominated coma, exacerbated by a Governing Body “simplification” program that has been so dead silent on globalization-to-world-government prophecy they even took that “world events in light of Bible prophecy” OUT of the Awake! magazine more aptly called Asleep!!!! nowadays.

In fact, it is so leaderless, so greenhorn, so comatose, the GB could adjoin JWs by way of the UN Secretariat “Departments and Offices” Outreach Programme a as a UN Department of Public Information “Non Governmental Organizations” and JWs neither comprehend that publicly:

1. That they denounced God’s government as a non-governmental organization;

2. They have partnered with the wildbeast and its active 666;

Thus, only Daniel 8:13 “transgression causing desolation” UN NGO consequences of enormous heavy judgment can ever wake up JWs now, and the context will be global as the world mass gets its own wake-up call at the same time.

Until then, JWs will continue sawing logs and making newbie errors right and left as they share with the Daniel 11:32a GB KN cell of apostasy leading “man of lawlessness” as good as no leadership, as good as Satan leading JWs to Matthew 24:15.
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Finally after 13 hours(as of this post) someone answers my question, even though he is not an official JW. But, TempleMicrowave, what does Hebrews 2:14 have to do with what I was asking?

Hebrews 2:14:

>Therefore, since the “young children” are sharers of blood and flesh, he also similarly shared in the same things, so that through his death he might bring to nothing the one having the means to cause death, that is, the Devil<

Also, I wanted to say that even though churchoids run from the Mad JW(and by the way, good job at keeping the churchoids on the run and dodging and twisting your questions, Mad)… Jehovah’s Witnesses run from me. LOL 😀


So that line about the Devil having the POWER to CAUSE DEATH did not ring a bell? The means to cause death is generic, the sin of man empowered his rule and it was granted with a temporary time limit and a justice to come.

So, when Ecc 3 puts man on equal status with animals with the SAME EVENTUALITY, the SAME SPIRIT going to the ONE PLACE as Shoel, Hades, Hell, the grave, then the “death” is “I have the KEYS of DEATH and Hades” in Christ’s words means he will resurrect all in Hades, which includes the animals. And DEATH is that “death AND hades” is a very total meaning of the cessation of all death on Earth as per the cessation of the decay “corruption” of Romans 8:18-22.

Read Ezekiel 47, then read Revelation 21-22. Don’t ask how, think G O D. Answers is not what you seek it seems, or faith is what you lack.

Now when Ecc 3 says man and animals have the “same eventuality” and we see it is death, the turning of the table for humans to life by God through Christ means that animals also benefit from the SAME EVENTUALITY, now life.

But I have found out JWs are actually very narrow minded, selfish and hell-bent on only their own salvation and merely go door to door in many cases to save THEMSELVES and do not like to include others, especially animals, in Christ’s salvation because we are small of heart.

There are some rotten JWs out there, I have run into some rude ones and they do not like corrections or updates and they want a 7th King “end of the world” so they can go have some picnics with these resurrected first-world beasts, LOL. BUT, it will not end so soon, and the resurrection of the animals is part of the fullness of the completion of the salvation message. It was understndable why these earthly things would be too much and too good for many people, much less JWs, to fathom, to handle, to accept.

So. It’s going to happen regardless. God does not ask angel or human permission, he just does it and he says so beforehand; Isaiah 34:14-17.

As in 1914-1918 with a world war shock to the system and a League of Nations panacea of new world order sovereign lies, this period coming up shall fulfill prophecy like a square peg in its exact square hole.

And because it breaks forth (Isa28:21-22; Dan11:41) on JWs FIRST (Peter 4:17), and it leads to another global context and a limited but severe catastrophe in the nation-state system (Dan11:42-43) and it is in the Revelation 8-11 continuum to Christ arrival upon 8th King world government (Rev17:8-15), many Jehovah’s witnesses will get experienced real fast, be cleansed and will carry forth the final global witnessing of the two in Revelation 11 to complete that 2520 days, 1260 days TWICE, of the final offer of assured salvation for those who put the sword down; and mean it.

This period coming up and using JWs as the certain whipping boy shall be PROPHECY IN OUR FACE, and it is leading to where the rest of the prophecy says it is going, Christ arrival upon complete 8th King “new world order” world government.

Christ is doing a New Universal Order, the NWO can take the hike into the dust, but those in it will also be offered the way out for a limited time of 1260 days + 1290 days, after the 2300 “evenings and mornings” of Daniel 8:14 pass over JW “earth” of Revelation 8.


doomsday (plural doomsdays)

1. The day when God is expected to judge the world; end times.
2. judgement day; the day of the Final Judgment; any day of decisive judgement or final dissolution.
Apocalypse? Just a revealing. Har-Magedon? Merely a global total “place” of a sovereign culmination requiring Jesus to arrive to save the world in literal form from the NWO Doomsday Plan when under full world government. (Matt24:21-22; Dan8:25; Dan11:44-45) So, this is all HUMAN ideas, the Bible does not contain the “end of the world” phrase, just the end of Satan and the 8th King world government global managemnt “system of things”.

Thus, doomsday is a human term which the Pentagon “Doomsday Project” is part of their fake “doomsday” “self fulfilling prophecy” which they are now dragging Russia and China into so they can:

1. Use a multi-trillion dollar bunker and internment system in all the post-industrial nations to some degree.

2. Sell the fake doomsday and King North as Russia to JWs while they hand out their final “end of the world” placards to fulfill 2Thess 2:1-2, and Revelation 13:3 which states this coming “doomsday” event is wildbeast planned and a segway to 8th King full world government.

3. Bamboozle the world with the “end of the world” fervor as even backed by KN subverted JWs (Dan8:12; Dan11:32a) by way of their so-called “Governing body”, when all it is is the “tribulation of those days” which as per Matthew 24:29 must run its Rev13:3 full Isa41:1 course BEFORE Christ arrives into a completed 8th King King North world government making a sovereign global claim to HIS planetary system.
As this is happening Daniel 11:41 will be unleashed on JWs as part of the “trampling” of Daniel 8:13 for that UN NGO foray with the wildbeast called the “transgression causing desolation” in that scripture. JWs will be whipped and beaten down, then cleansed and recovered for the final warning as they pop out of the Revelation 9 abyss of divine judgment for the finality of Revelation 8-11’s final cycle fulfillment into world government 8th King and the Christ arrival it will trigger.
[QUOTE who=”True Christian witness “]This world system, under the control of Satan the Devil, and his elite master workers and his ungodly children, will soon be gone forever, with the wars they cause and all mankind’s problems, thanks to Jesus our now reigning King.
Revelation 11: 15

Anyone who wants to survive the end of this world, to inherit the new earthly paradise, must be educated in accurate knowledge of the Scriptures, as taught by Almighty God Jehovah’s witnesses today. We must learn righteousness in the Law of Christ, and repent to the will of God.
Matthew 7: 21

No one can survive, unless you are baptized in the name of the Father, Jehovah.[/QUOTE]

Though mostly truth though premature in expectations (2Thess2:1-2) being baptized is good, but according to Revelation 14:6-7 in light of Romans 2, God has already 1John2:2 purchased everyone.

In TOTAL COMPLETE TRUTH “gentiles” can be spared according to the ignorance, albeit loving their neighbors and Christ’s brothers among them, displayed in Matthew 25:31-40.

Now what baptized Christian has not read Matthew 25 sheep-n-goat Daniel 7:26 judgment record?

So, what dummy is going to ask Christ when did we see you naked?

The ones who NEVER read Matthew 25, that’s who and they become instant-sheep like Paul, because the appearance of mighty angels in the whole glorious army of Christ will be quite “believable” and those who were cool and not jerks shall be saved as Paul said “in the day when the SECRET things of mankind are revealed”, and some of them secrets are there are e few good people to be left among the newbie though ignorant sheep.

The next day will be angel camp forever, so they can be transistorized into the truth the fastest ever of all human transformations because Christ will be ruling DIRECTLY and perfect health, food and shelter is not an insurmountable feat for the King and there will be plenty of NWO estates and spas left over for the big Millennial Fiesta and fear, death and extortions shall be the thing of a past.
DAY ONE, instant sheep, and the global sheep sweep of Matthew 25 parallel Revelation 7 and 14.

GOOD news is what it is, no more JW elitist “we won” fantasies shall apply or be submitted.


Because THE TRUTH IS, {{{ANYONE}}} can be saved! Revelation 14:6-7.

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By studying the word in cooperation with the spirit which must be present to reveal interpretations which are valid. The proof comes with Daniel 8:13-14 because its timing is meted out in the temple judgment of Jehovah’s house first, his witnesses, which are not “on loan” to the UN DPI to shut up prophecy while promoting it is ok to adjoin to the wildbeast as a non-kingdom agency.

That was a NO NO, UN NOGO, and now comes the judgment of God on JWs first because that prophecy will be with Daniel 11:41 and so clear it will aid the final warning by an in the face pattern so clear it cannot be denied.

Those paying attention will KNOW if this part of the propehcy event and timed out true, so will the rest because the Temple Judgment of Jehovah’s witnesses is also Revelation 8:1-8 and it but BEGINS the final cycle of Revelation 8-11 for the final 15 years from inception of the Daniel 8:13 “trampling” events upon the JW Org which some of it will be on CNN.

But as per Zechariah 3:5-8, they have NOT heard the Zechariah 4:6-9 last from Jehovah’s witnesses who will be Ezekiel 37 revived from the smoking abyss of Revelation 9 to carry out the whole summary of Revelation 10:5-8,11 as the final salvation announcement of the Adamic era, as the world “heals” into world government 8th King, “the end” will have been a KN Hoax on JWs and others.

Isaiah 38 tells us from JW downfall day one, JWs have 15 years to complete the task which includes the timing of Daniel 8:14, 12:7 and 12:11. How Daniel 12:7 falls into 2034 or 1290 days before it is not known. But it has to start soon and knowing exact day is not needed as long as we know the approximate year and month from Bible clues in Genesis 7:4, Daniel 9:27 and Genesis 6:3.

World government has to come first for “one hour” and it will trigger the Christ arrival for the war for planet Earth. Spoiler Alert: Christ and the Coyotes win! (Rev19:11-21)

KNWO goes down forever.

And as per G O D it is all described in perfect detail and timed in Daniel 8:14 (3.19 years minimum, 6.38 probable: temple judgment phase) to 1260 days final warning period of Daniel 7:25-26, Dan12:7,11, Revelation 11:2-3, Revelation 13:5, Revelation 12:14 leading to Daniel 12:11 (1290 days) as the final open salvation period of Genesis 7:4+Daniel9:26-27 as Revelation 14:6-8’s OPEN SALVATION OFFER envelops the world from the angels of Christ from God Almighty, while they are destroying Babylon the Great globally. (Rev14:8; Rev17:11-18)

[QUOTE who=”Nomi”]There is still some questions regarding these issues that the Bible does not address. Speaking for myself. It just upsets so much when my pets die. I grieve for such a long time. We know human’s may come back. I am sure a lot of people are the same, about their pets. Maybe as a perfect human, one might handle it better. I am sure the animals will miss their animal friends. The Bible says there will be no pain or sorrow. Maybe we just have to wait and see.

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Isaiah 34:14-17 has it resolved, for man’s love is nothing compared to even an angel’s much less God and Christ and Jehovah is very clear when he states “Jehovah has cast the lot for them”. The human gamble is they are dead forver, but not with Jehovah.

Yes, it is hard to find that is why it begins: “Search the Book of Jehovah for yourself…”, and in Isaiah 34:14-17 it is stated as a PROMISE of God.

It is just a matter of time, not if, just when in the reign of the King.

NO ONE’S LIFE is stolen by that loser Satan. NO ONE. Jesus “gathers ALL THINGS on Earth”.
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Entropy is not a lie. It is true that some theoretical physics is likely incorrect.

However there are other matters that are proven by observations, provided the observations are not misinterpreted.

Life is the opposite of entropy – i.e. animal cells are coded to compensate for some causes of aging and death.

Alas, at this time we also inherit aging and death (Romans 5:12).

Btw, entropy proves that life could not have come into existence without intelligent input of information into informational molecules of life to compensate and overcome the normal result of entropy – returning to the most stable state – which is death – returning to the dust as the Bible teaches.

Rather, life’s informational molecules cause just the opposite – the generation of very complex unstable molecules and replacement thereof.

In fact, scientifically death is the opposite of life, since death returns all the molecules of life to the most stable state (entropy) while life does just the opposite.[/QUOTE]

Jehovah can create and destroy “energy”. Entropy assumes a closed system state, so it may be true, but its base assumption on which its truth is based is in error.

So the “input” you speak of is MORE than perfect information merely hacked temporarily by the likes of Satan and men.

Don’t rely on human ideas, rely on Jehovah who creates both reality and our perceptions of it, BOTH things. Satan and men are in God’s web, NOT the other way around.

Think about the power of God to create REALITY. No angel can do that, not even Christ the Mighty God and he plainly admits Jehovah is his teacher. He may perfectly well assume such power or has in Revelation 4, but for today we focus on Jehovah the Creator of Reality and Jesus Christ the one and only, among created beings, MASTER of Reality, KING EVERYTHING.

It will take time to get the proper basis of human understanding, but it must come one day at a time and this system has not even expired yet to begin the empirical journey into the Mind of Christ, and the Mind of Jehovah.

WAY OUT THERE is not even close to how far out they are. TRILLIONS of years later man still will not know it all. TRILLIONS of years and angels still will not know.

THAT is why Jehovah is Jehovah and Christ is the “Chosen One”, the Son.

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Yes – since carnivores will not be permitted to attack any animals, it logically follows that micro-organisms will not be allowed to attack animals either. (including us, since we are animals, not plants).

Many animals, including cats and elephants, have an instinct to go off, hide and die quietly.

I think animals will simply fall asleep in death, not suffer.


Ezekiel 47 states they never will die. THEN WHAT’S THE POINT! Right? LOL


Rev22 offers humans immortality too boot. Animals just live forever, even the “fruitage will not be consumed”, it is a decay-less eternal world lost at Eden 1.0.

THAT is what Romans 8:18-22 explicitly describes. FREEDOM of the Sons of God and FREEDOM from death is the 1Cor15:26 top priority by FREEDOM from sin.


What the hell kind of “Kingdom” would it be if righteous things died and the little things were forgotten?


The King is NOT half vast like man and demon. NOPE.

I swear to God.

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There is something fishy about your posts temple!

I assumed you were referring to immortal fish in Ezekiel 47 – or at least that those fish will never die.

Also, as another poster brought out, the death of animals is not due to original sin.

You believe animals were created to live forever? On what Scriptural basis?


Edenic animals are eternal. They have no choice, sin is not possible to their “freewill-less” nature. That is why their blood could cover human sin and the lamb is a type of Christ. Quite an honor to them. For good reason. GOOD

Now there are some scriptures just staring us square in the face plain as day, and the reason JWs cannot read plain English on these last revelations for the final announcment is simple: We are in sins, and it is not time for WJs; yet. But after Daniel 8:14 passes the plain as day statements of thew Bible will kick JWs in the eye.

Isaiah 54 is plain as day. Ecclesiastes 3 is plain as day. Revelation 22 is plain as day. Yet, as in straight-forward explicit English in little words [explaining itself], JWs can read it and read it and it seems to make no sense to them or their GB priests.

Matthew 24:29 is plain as day Christ will not arrive until AFTER this coming tribualtion phase has ended on its own by wildbeast cunning; Rev13:3.

Daniel 11:30-35 is plain as day on the apostate GB as is Daniel 8:11-14. PLAIN AS DAY.

Except it is JWs now in the darkness, they cannot read and understand the simplest prophecies ever penned, a few of which are so straight forward even the prophet understood it. (Not the case with Daniel, but with Ezekiel and Isaiah, it meant exactly what they wrote and they knew it.)

Read it, and believe it, it is plain as day all over the Bible why animals will also be restored from “Death and Hades” and why Christ has KEYS, plural, to death.

Get it yet? More than human life, but one “key”, comes from Hades and Death is hugely generic of ALL DEATH.

Get it yet? It is plain as day Newton.

PLAIN AS DAY, STATED IN MANY CASES IN EXACTLY EXPLICIT AND SPECIFIC TERMS, like Romans 8:18-22. CORRUPTION, the Greek “decay”, is passing on with Satan the deadbeat

JWs do not study the Bible any longer and you know it is true because the GB are deadbeat Rev2:2 loafing liars. DOOMED as an entity to be banished from this minsitry forever, and exposed 100% with the Daniel 8:13, Dan11:41 events and timing. From the time in begins to year 3.19, there will be no GB any longer.

THAT will be your proof this is not “make believe”.

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So, Temple, are you saying that Isaiah 34:14-17 teaches that the animals will one day live forever in the new system? And is so, I wonder why JWs don’t teach this. Because if Isaiah 34:14-17 had been shown earlier, this whole discussion would have been resolved already. Therefore, is TempleMicrowave right about Isaiah 34:14-17, JWs?


He sure as heaven did teach that when he said no sparrow falls in death without the Father’s knowledge, which means they are in Jehovah’s “memory”, which means they are resurrected. Why IN THE HELL would God just be making a mental note?

Plus Jesus said it to reassure the disciples that if God restores a mere finch, he will of course resurrect his servants.

Isaiah 34:14-17 is saying way more than that animals are ressurected, it also PROMISES the “lot has been cast” that they will also have all the offspring and the mate or mates to provide them as originally purposed by God in Eden.

Not only will he resurrect your dead dog, your dead dog will live and have thousands of pups, Jupiter will be filled with them, the whole universe is inhabitable in spite of all the unique physics and physcalities required in human theory, it is no limitation to the Maker of the Universe.

And in Isaiah 34 he was talking about a nighthawk and a snake, seemingly insignificant animals as far as human affections are concerned.

In fact the Bible says a person cannot even imagine what God will do for those who love him, all I have said is nothing the reality will be well beyond the wildest attempts at imagination, light millenniums ahead.

To Christ resurrecting dog pound fodder is more important than the life of the NWO and their sick little plans for humanity, so he will terminate them first. Then let the real “joy set before him” begin. JWs are an example of what sin and hubris can do to even one being accepted as God’s servant. Well, not the way JWs have gone. Watch what happens to JWs, and you will KNOW there is a living God in whose hands it is fearful to fall in such a sordid state as todays so-called “Jehovah’s witnesses”; what a joke. Satan is laughing his ass off, and the worst part of the joke is yet to come.

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That”s a Better explanation, since no JW had any answer or even acknowledged WAR in their paradise, under Christ’s rulership. However, I see the “paradise” in revelation 21 and 22 NOT Rev 20.

thanks bro ;)[/QUOTE]

Until Satan is EXTERMINATED, he can always influence people, he is the source of this stupidity. But, iit is after the 1000 years, so it is at a time of total freewill, a time when true colors will have to be shown.

It proves keeping life truly is a battle because there are ONLY two things Satan can use against humans at the root, which he worked on himself at basic motive:

1. Wanting more than is given.


Everything else came after that core desire.

2. Not being satisfied with what is given, related to 1.

THAT is all Satan can offer, THAT is the key. Be thankful and appreciative of what you have no matter what it is, PERIOD, and Satan can never get in.

Al the other sins spring from that one deadly desire. WANTING MORE than is given and necessary.
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I think the system is dying that’s why the creativity is gone. With no innocence there is no self respect and therefore affects everything right down the line. [/QUOTE]

Yes I think it is the end of an era. I know it is not “the end” yet, but it is the end of the “American Dream” coming up, 7th King, King South downfall and very hard hitting at that; bad enough to fool the people as if it is the end.

But AS IF slaughtered to death is exactly what Revelation 13:3 says. But if we read on, it was just AS IF dead, it revives into the 8th King, and the end is in that Rev17:12 “one hour”.

But, they MUST make a total global sovereign claim in full form, and they will, BEFORE Christ comes for war, but also salvation. A very clear, concise yet complete, final warning announcement and document must also come forth to inform all mankind possible (Matt10:23) that ANYONE can be saved by individually surrendering as per Revelation 14:6-7.

After that offer is fully explained with power, the end of King 8 will come, but as per Daniel 4, “your kingdom will be held sure for you”, Christ will takeover the “Kingdom of the World” and nations will be preserved even if chastised, a “sheep” and a “brother” will come from “all nations tribes and tongues” as eye witnesses of the Universal Lion taking his thrown, and he will be the “tree” to transition the gentiles in “12 tribes of Israel” EARTHLY UNION with him (Matt19:28), for he is Last Adam, father of all the nations, King of the World and Universe and Heaven, until he hands the Heavenly Throne back to his own Father.

Wickedness will be removed, nations will be spared, world government will be extricated by vastly superior forces and technologies of God and angels to the last screw.

So, a final full warnign must precede all these events. (rev10:11)

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Well that is true except for the CHRONOLOGY. The “7 times” prophecy…

I am talking about tracking both Israel’s kings and Jerusalems in the area you described. The reason we know JWs are off is because Albright and Thiele usually vary a couple years and ten at the most if I am not mistaken and way back before 700 BC.

Now, as anyone will realize like Isaac Newton when he revised the Queen’s Royal Historic “Calendar”, chronology is not a one month affair. You can find the reason why in a month, you can vaguely picture the events and write them down which you will have to do after the rat nest becomes unraveled when you attempt to try to track it in memory, such as the Athaliah mishap, but it takes more time to get so familiar with the events you can test a few timelines against each other.

Newton was smart he started out by writing stuff down from the start in spite of his big brain on Brad. But Thiele and Albright and other chronologists had to make the project their life work for some period of life. We either do that or use their condensed timelines to test theories. Newton, Albright and Thiele are in close proximity on King Neb 607 coronation. And as you stated his crown princing and official coronation are good enough to mark HIS “seven times” which just so happened to parallel Jerusalem’s without needing a destruction event to start or end the Jerusalem timeline.

BABYLONS “seven times” is what Daniel 4 is about. The Christ “trampling of the nations” is in regard to that time in principle, but the 1260 days of Revelation 11’s TWO witnesses for 1260 days past and 1260 days future as 2520 days of “seven times” FINAL resistance of the Babylon. 607 is good, 1914 is good and mathematicians and full-time chronologists are who God enlisted to form the proof.

Now rather than prove your views you scramble the eggs with them 3 separate prophecies timed. They are all valid for different proofs and reasons. But God was sure this would be complex but that the right people would have worked this out for a cloise enough range to connect the 2520 years dots certainly. It began the 1260 days first witnessing of thr TWO in 1914-1918, and after JWs go down for Daniel 8:13-14 the last witness will emerge.

Now the 20 year JW variance is not acceptable on anyone’s calculation sheet, it is WHACKED. But it is not the chronology they messed up, it is the assumed event of Jerusalem’s destruction and the ignoring of Babylon’s significance in the first 70 years seven times. The GB is why this happened and remains, it is now a digger’s stumbling block. When Ray Franz was happening on this area from contact by Olof Jonsson, they axed him on a pretext rather than smooth out this stumbling ripple in the JW space Time Continuum. And because it takes more intensive warm-up study, they assume JWs will just bypass the glitch because it has a couple too many dots to connect and the details require digging and most JWs are TOO ORGANIZED which eats up their time and why the GB pushes “organization” to kill valuable JW time.

So, until God smushes the GB out of the way, and provides the burst of spirit, the truth will be supressed by the GB and JWs a while longer as they also are mum and cover up rampant globalization prophecy leading to the final world governemnt signal into which fray the final 1260 days warnign will erupt into the explosion of God and Christ with the full warning foretold fulfilling as stated and timed. (Rev10:5-11; Rev11:2-3; Dan12:7; Dan7:25; Rev12:14; Rev13:5)

Just a matter of a little time to pound JWs back into shape “right condition” of Daniel 8:14, they got lazy by being too busy spiked with complacency and hubris, go figure. All the forensics points to the GB of Apostasy, they will be going soon.

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When people talk about false prophises, ask them to give examples from our publications. Yes we have made some overly optimistic statement at time ether personally or organizationally. But so what. We never claimed to speak in the name of Jehovah that this or that is going to happen on such a such date. Even Jesus’ disciples didn’t know certain things and they walked with Jesus. Read Acts 1:6 and 1 Cor. 9-12. Which one of Christendom’s religions has alerted mankind that we are living in the time of the end??? And continue to preach the unified message of The Kingdom of God through the world. They still advocate mankind’s failed governments as the answers to mankind’s problems.


Jehovah’s witnesses are batting 700. There are a couple final adjustments for the final warning which will begin on JWs with Daniel 8:13-14 which NO WAY ever fulfilled so far.


As I explain in that blog, JW prophecy is from God and correct in 90% of its claims, but a couple key stumbling blocks are kept in place by the GB, but JW prophecy is complex for most people including Jws, so JWs have not guarded the place by KNOWING the prophecy better than GB and King North (Daniel 11:32a), and that is why this is like new news to JWs, they have lapsed in required vigilance study.

Well that blog has not lapsed and it is explained WHY Daniel 8:13-14 comes on JWs next, WHY it is timed, and WHY it leads to the final 1260 days prophecy to complete “seven times” of final warning as 2520 days.

ONLY Daniel 4,8 and 11 have problems now. The 1260 days, 1290 days, 1290 days, and the 70 weeks are good. King North is world government 8th King. But the GB will continue the USSR-to-Russia ruse for KN to try to mislead JWs for this next world war coming up as Revelation 13:3. patterns repeat but world government triggers Christ arrival and we got more than 15 years at this time.

I am Jehovah’s witness, not a religious label but a job. JOB. So, I point out the GB are foretold apostasy of Daniel 11:30b, Daniel 11:32-35, Daniel 8:11-12. The UN is not something to join qhile claiming to be a “non-kingdom organization”, so JWs are also in apostasy and the Daniel 8:14 “right condition” is not present but will be when JWs org topples soon in the Daniel 11:41-43 portion of Daniel and Revelation 13:3 events coming up in global crash and world war.


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You intrigue me. I wonder who you are and where you get your direction from. I am very well aware of the Bibles message and for the most part what is coming, but none of us know just exactly how Jehovah will proceed. The times we are in are very serious indeed. It is important that people be awake.. I have a gut feeling something big is about to go off. Not from the nations either if they are the players it will not be them really doing it.. Jehovah will do something highly unusual. I cannot explain the reasons on here. So I will not say but I can say things are happening to indicate he will get active soon. People need to get things in line now. [/QUOTE]

You can add up the possible Daniel 8:14 timing that has to lead to the 1260 days and 1290 days to know it has to erupt by about 2021. But we do not know where the 1260 to 1290 split falls in regard to the year. But being 3.5 years in range is close enough to know we are close to the final warning cycle.

We can see Trump shall be the fall guy, dead or alive. We can see Russia is being spun into the world war mix. We can KNOW God will warn fully about HIS and HIS SON’S arrival. (Rev1:1-8)

It will become the clearest most powerful warning since Christ’s first arrival. It WILL meet the objective of its purpose. That it fulills on JWs, AGAIN, is just more great proof.

As Jehovah’s witnesses as a JOB not a “religion” we cannot ride in on the International Bible Students “first witnessing” work of 1914-1918. Yes, JWs did inherit the ISBAwork, but ISBA did it, NOW Jehovah’s witnesses have to do our own “witnessing” of 1260 days in the future.

That is how it is “TWO witnesses” of Revelation 11’sw seven times, 2520 days final warning.

1. 1914-1918, 1260 days, IBSA

2. Future, 1260 days, Jehovah’s witnesses

TWO WITNESSINGs, one message.

The Kingdom of God is near, Christ coronation as King in God’s Kingdom, and Christ coronation in the future as Messianic Kingdom King of kings. King of the World, Revelation 11:15, 100%.

*After you eat fried chicken your fingers move much smoother on the frets. A BH secret. LOL, no joke.

There is no way to “Make King South Great Again”. The 7th King fall is around the corner and the bigger they are, the harder they fall and the whole world will feel the US fall. It will be Daniel 11:41-43 wrapping up, JW Org invasion of Daniel 11:41 (Dan8:13); But the GB will try to tell JWs it is Daniel 11:44 about 15 years too soon and that Russia is King North, which of course Russia is not the “New World Order” but to be an on their knees Kissing 8th King Feet kowtow.

8th King World Government is “King NORTH” top of the world until Christ pounds them to the South Pole and out the back end of the solar system.

But Revelation 14:6-7 Final Peace terms of the Sovereign Ultimatum of God’s Kingdom will be offered to even enemy individuals. IF that offer is spurned there will be hell to pay with prejudice from the Armed Forces of the Holy Angels of Jesus Christ and The LORD Jehovah.

ANYONE can accept the Revelation 14:6-7 offer and enter Camp ArchAngel for a rest. ANYONE, and the offer will be face to face.


Accept the offer and pay the vow.

Isaiah 11 is there for a reason. The peace is comprehensive and the only predator will be the Destroyer policing the peace. Because a non-predatory system is based on life, not death, the entire processes of Earth will change when Satan’s plans are changed and he becomes the prey.

God is not a “planner”, he causes his exact purpose to occur because he is in control of more than every atom in the universe. because of this control he states prophecy for man, but he already dictates the flow of time, events and his purpose even “before the founding of the world”.

Satan is the fool who will be taken apart and his angelic cranium will be shattered with that of his fool crew. God is kind enough to tell him in advance how he will put him out of his misery. Genesis 3:15, Numbers 24:17.

But Satan is not volunteering, it will be a fight and he will still try to make fools of men to join him in destruction. And because some people want more than is given he will make some fools and in the end superior violence is how peace will be ensured as those who threaten it will be terminated very quickly, it never will spread nor have Adamic root in man again, because Christ is Immortal Last Adam and that is to be the new basis of humanity already being formed in the Bride of Christ.

And that mother cares and will destroy anyone who tries to harm the peace. Even now the warnings for the future ring clear.

“And on that day there shall be inscribed on the bells of the horses, “Holy is Lord Jehovah.””

Zechariah 14

In then end it is an issue of superior force. At a certain point it is the only solution. (Revelation 20:1-3; Genesis 3:15)==
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Well, well, well. This is is the crux of the problem. You see 2 Chronicles 36 clearly establishes that the land must be desolate for 70 years to pay back its sabbaths. That is what prompts the WTS to add 20 years to 587 BCE. That is, there are 50 years in the current timeline from 587 to 537 BCE, the year the Jews return from Babylon. Since that is supposed to end 70 years of desolation of the land to pay back its sabbaths, they simply decide to stubbornly add 20 years to 587 BCE to get 607 BCE. So it is not “whacked.”

What it is is what it looks like. A contradiction between the Bible and the secular timeline, but also Josephus and the secular timeline. Since revisionism was quite common, no big deal. But you can step back academically and presume to conclude what the facts show; whether the pagans revised the NB timeline or the Bible writers? It’s that simple.

Basically, the Bible’s NB Period is 26 years longer than the pagan timeline, and the Persian Period is 82 years shorter. That’s where it begins as far as “relative” chronology.

So your idea about these 20 years being “whacked” is bordering on sheer propaganda if not profound unfamiliarity with the topic. [/QUOTE]


“Desolation” is more clearly defined. It is not necessarily started with a destruction event, nor are the 20 years leading to 587 or the 20 years to follow full capacity land use. So the sabbaths could have been paid, as tracked by God the creditor, from 607 BCE to 517 BCE.

And that assumed destruction must define “pay back sabbaths” and that it just mest be in a desolated state parallel, is the real crux of part of this now purposeful error.

But prior to The King’s Arrival the writ and calculation will be provided King North in written and verbal manner prior to their own total desolation.

It has to be settled prior to their termination for obvious reasons of promise, prophecy and salvation. Rev10:5-11, Rev11:3.

And it will, and the desolation of JWs will be the new signal benchmark of Daniel 8:13-14, beginning soon. 1Peter4:17

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That may be the case.. Something is going to break loose I agree.. World gov is not happy right now they are itching to do some nasty things. [/QUOTE]

Imo, they are planning to try to fast track world government in BEFORE a full prophecy warning can be given. The plagues and trumpets roughly parallel which means the first four global plagues will be the global context of the four trumpets that will put this ministry in the “abyss” of Rev9.

But if we look at the 5th trumpet it is LIGHT time, while if we look at the 5 th plague it is darkness. This is because the Michael Destroyer symbol and very real being is, with the Assyrian 185,000 dead symbol and reality, there for a reason.

To slow world government’s push down to fit the divine timeline, the plague poured on the “throne of the wildbeast” which “darkens its kingdom” will be Michael killing key Illuminati at the same time he is opening the Rev9 abyss of judgment to provide the “five wise virgins” final warning light.

Things in the org will also be extricated by force, albeit stealth, at this time. The timing is when the darkness “evening” turns to enlightening morning in Daniel 8:13-14, or 3.19 years into the judgment.

And the 8th King King North globalist “illuminators” will get that warning of their purging before that time expires. That is how God will slow this down so the final warning can be given as described many years, in full detail, prior ro its official God-backed announcement of Revelation 10:11, 11:2.

[QUOTE who=”Arkham Bravo”]This is the title of the upcoming convention, but what an appropriate term for the state of affairs for today’s JW. Giving up hope on the frauds running the organization is the trend. And why not, what have they done?

For more than 130 years this organization has consistently come up empty on all their so-called interpretations and prophetic commentary. The goal posts have been moved so many times it’s hard to keep up with the explanations.

The organization has emerged as no different than any other self-serving organization concerned primarily with its own self-preservation[/QUOTE]

Let us just blame the post 1976 GB illegal stunt of tyranny. They provide the JW global context of a great fall as we are NOW experiencing this prophecy due to GB men of lawlessness, the man indeed:

Those who do wickedly against the covenant he shall corrupt with flattery; but the people who know their God shall be strong, and carry out great exploits. 33 And those of the people who understand shall instruct many; yet for many days they shall fall by sword and flame, by captivity and plundering. 34 Now when they fall, they shall be aided with a little help; but many shall join with them by intrigue. 35 And some of those of understanding shall fall, to refine them, purify them, and make them white, until the time of the end; because it is still for the appointed time.

The “appointed time” to end all this GB apostasy stuff is in Daniel 8:13-14. That above is Daniel 11:32-35 which follows the 1990 3rd UN foretold prophecy fulfillment after the Cold War which is in Daniel 11:30-31.

Now comes the judgment on God’s house first, which is in a context they will sell to JWs AS IF the end. It is just Revelation 13:3.

Most people will miss the point that the Reformation 1.0 did not dump what had to be dumped and that Reformation 2.0 took another pass from the US vantage point because the Inquisition slowed down the sinking of SS Christendom.

True, there are some parts of the ship with survivors looking for lifeboats, it’s still near land, but the judgment with the completion of the Reformation goal was issued in 1919.

Any Christian progress up to that benchmark, even after in some cases, cannot be judged by humans the Bible got far and wide by the work of more than IBSA and Jehovah’s witnesses.

God has condemned the international corporate cruise ship known as the SS Christendom, but individual ignorance or whatever can only be judged by God. Times previous had plenty of brothers and sisters, it was the Christendom organization which became their worst enemy.

Now a final mini-Reformation but global too, has to emerge once again, so Satan will toss in some hell on Earth to try to distract from what is really going on, just as with WW1.

God will in time give the whole BTG Ship Fleet to the 8th King for destruction. And during that whole time the “my people” who ignored the warning can come forth from the flaming ruins and collapsing walls of BTG proper as per Revelation 11:13.

For some people will not leave Babylon the Great, it will leave them and there will be no other choice. Some will not be able to make that choice, but some will. It is coming. It is not the slam dunk all of the churches including JWs are teaching at present, because Satan’s “organization” is in control and it includes them all.
Most people will miss the point that the Reformation 1.0 did not dump what had to be dumped and that Reformation 2.0 took another pass from the United States vantage point because the Euro-Inquisition slowed down the sinking of SS Christendom under Cappy Pope.

True, there are some parts of the ship with survivors looking for lifeboats, it has bused into pieces, some of it’s still near land, but the judgment with the completion of the Reformation goal was issued in 1919. That was a very real judgment, that ship is lost.

Even so, any Christian progress up to that benchmark, even after in some cases, cannot be judged by humans; the Bible got far and wide by the work of more than IBSA and Jehovah’s witnesses.

God has condemned the international corporate cruise ship known as the SS Christendom, but individual ignorance or whatever can only be judged by God. Times previous had plenty of brothers and sisters, it was the Christendom organization which became their worst enemy. Many died just trying to get a Bible to wherever.

Now a final mini-Reformation but global too, has to emerge once again, so Satan will toss in some hell on Earth to try to distract from what is really going on, just as with WW1.

God will in time give the whole BTG Ship Fleet to the 8th King for destruction, after she does her main job and sell world government to the people, riding in in style before the destruction. And during that whole time the “my people” who ignored the warning can come forth from the flaming ruins and collapsing walls of BTG proper as per Revelation 11:13.

For some people will not leave Babylon the Great, it will leave them and there will be no other choice. Some will not be able to make that choice, but some will. It is coming. It is not the slam dunk all of the churches including JWs are teaching at present, because Satan’s “organization” is in control and it includes them all.

As per Revelation 14:6-7 during BTG destruction, the final salvation will require there being ZERO BTG on Earth, and that itself could wind out Daniel 12:11.
How many things does ANYONE of the 3rd rock really know about a bullfrog? Or ANYTHING here for that matter? 22 tops?

Job 40

Look at Bullfrog,
which I made along with you
and which feeds on bugs like Tony.
16 What strength it has in its loins,
what power in the muscles of its belly!
17 proportionally it jumps 25 times further;
than the human gold medalist.
18 Its bones are tubes of hydro nano carbon,
its limbs like toothpicks but it is 27 times stronger than a man.
19 It ranks 14th among the works of God,
yet its faster than any human alive on land, air, or water.
20 The hills bring it their produce,
and all the wild animals play nearby.
21 Under the lotus plants it lies,
hidden among the reeds in the marsh.
22 The lotuses conceal it in their shadow;
the poplars by the stream surround it.
23 A raging river does not alarm it;
it is secure, though the Jordan should surge against its mouth.
24 because the bullfrog,
sits on the head of a hippo?
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CT Russell was an agnostic that adopted and adapted all his ideas from the second Awakening in the late 1800s in USA …This was his smorgasbord to choose from, he was NOT divinely directed to do any final gatherings of wheat, the mix continues until Jesus returns. [/QUOTE]
Trivial details of a Caesar’s mix of whine and oil. What he did was OPEN the door to public mass understanding.

Now I give Paul and the gang lots of God inspired credit. But Russell was basically a 19th century dynamo with more energy in his sleep than all the Illuminati ever, combined.

You just can’t fake it or term it lightly.


It IS what it IS, forever.

But, the work cannot stop there can it?

He broke the dam for good, God helped of course. Had he been perfect and knew all things back then, they would have crucified him, so they just settled for suffocating him on that train-hit.

But he just don’t seem to go away.
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These past few months haven’t been easy for me. JW have been very helpful and caring with what I was going through. You have to understand that it has not been easy for me. I had to overcome my severe depression that I had. I am thankful that JW were there for me. I don’t what I would have without them. And I am also thankful to you for helping me as well Cacique.

You are already in. Jehovah has come to know you and let you know. Now from Satan’s point of view nothing external is going to get at you. So, Satan being the hunter and you what he thinks he can make prey will try the only place he can hit you from.

So, you being the hunter of Satan can look for him in the only place he will now try hard to hit you: From within the flock. There are more stumbled people than there are JWs now, and no they did not just go out and read an “apostate” website, they first got a little trip from within, THEN they went searching the reason why and found all those half grease guns to complete the stumble. And it is in Daniel 11:32-35 so this kind of testing is a prophecy in line with 2Thess2:11-12.

So, now that Jehovah has found you and he used helpers to do so, from those helpers are your potential workers of Satan now, only from them can you be made to stumble. So, you go, instead daily, direct to HIS WORD, spirit, and Jesus Christ because they cannot be compromised. True, humans twist the Bible all the time, but a read of the Bible without any Christendom drama is pure because the spirit, and prayer is helpful, will teach.

And as per Romans 2 and Revelation 14:6-7, others have to be assessed by God because even through the fall of BTG, as per Revelation 11:13; Rev14:8, even some of God’s “my people” will be spared, a “tenth the city will be saved”, but now religious wars have clouded the true size the salvation is to become, a true “great crowd”. And because it is not a “great flock”, it has to have mixed company and those in Matthew 25:31-40 are new enough to ask the stupid question “when did we see you naked?”.

Daniel 8:13-14 is next, and after the “tribulation of those days” which heals into world government 8th King in time, it will get crystal clear in the final warning of the final world indications of the Christ arrival. (Rev10:11 you must prophesy AGAIN)

It is the second witness.

On July 01, 17, pcloadletter wrote:
> How do you know globalisation isn’t complete to the extent needed? Do you
> think everything will be out in the open and above board, submitted for the
> peoples’ approval first?

No. They need to get the authority first, then it won’t matter about public approval. The means of control is not military, that is a contingency for the worst case scenario.

The way they assume control is financial. BUT at the point of default, like when a homeowner looses there house. This house is the national governments which are still operating. As per Daniel 11:42-43 that will not always be the case in the capacity we see in this late “old world order”.

The way to know globalization has not completed takes a little time, but not much. The time is you have to sift through 20 or so opinions to see the ones that start to say the same thing in varied ways.

The areas of wealth consolidation to research are in gold and real wealth and who controls it. Real wealth as in hard assets. The money system underpins the hard wealth securitization process, a crash is how they assume more consolidative control on every cycle, this one next is the big one.

Now gold control and real wealth control is to subsidize military control and the rest of the pantheon of control. All these things are past 50%, in some areas at 70% of control of the pots. As per Daniel 11:42-43 real gold control is the underlying basis of everything else as it has classically been the heart of the foundation of national sovereignty. Gold is sometimes called the “base plate” of national sovereignty, it goes way back the power of physical gold.

We have some events to still occur to topple the US “house”, the “Corporation of the United States” into the pot, as well as the EU and the rest. They will distract from the real purpose with an air of “doomsday” expectations that will be premature as per the Rev13:3 and 2Thess2:2 warnings.

In time they assume 100% control. The world war that leads to 100% control, as bad as it is in severe, but temporary, dysfunctional aberrations, what follows is potentially the most dangerous consolidation of all power in world history. But they will sell it with “healing” recovery, hopefulness and real recovery AFTER this coming global cycle runs its course.

That is why that is the active 8th King World Government period Christ arrives into. He arrives because he will have to arrive as per Matt24:21-22.

But this will not atke long to wrap up, less than 20 years because we have the 120 year clue of Genesis 6:3 and 1914 certainty. 1914 is what it is, a marking of the true “last days”. BUT the Daniel “time of the end” we are heading into, though taking a few years, will be a marked “time of the end of the last days”. The last days of the last days.

Be patient, exercise faith, Jehovah’s witnesses are almost done, but not quite yet; Rev10:11

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so you agree the 7 churches were addressed, end of First Century in chapters 1, 2 and 3 around (AD 70-96)

so what chapter of revelation, does the events of 1914 occur, in your opinion, and what is the proof of that dating ?


The 1914-1918 period is marked by 20, minimum, unique features in both the globalist sovereign development of the United nations system as the League of Nations at that time, and the Kingdom of God announcement of similar, but diametric sovereign intent to rule this planet Earth forevermore.

Only one of those two will not be totaled and demolished forever. Guess which one.

1. A unique world war cycle was used to fast track the globalist world governemment aims which has been used 2 more times since and will be used a fourth time in the future. This is unique for humanity.

2. A Reformation completing ministry put historic structure to the prophecies of Daniel and Revelation which intertwine perfectly and simply identifying the core lies formerly bringing Christendom into heavy sins and explaining the covenant structure of God and Christ role in it as king in exact detail, all in full form by the end of 1920s.

3. BOTH Kingdoms, Satan’s 8th King “image” as the nucleus of coming world government and God’s KINGDOM BOTH made official notice of intent to rule planet Earth is the same year of 1919.

4. God’s Kingdom “seven times” was merely a gauged warning that time is now up on planet Earth, except they need to complete world government before Christ explodes in their faces to the eyeball in proximity.

In simple terms, there is only so much time, not too much, but enough to gitterdone.

Now, though I only listed 4 of the easy 40 anomalies and unique developments since 1914 as marked in both Satan’s world governemnt and God’s Kingdom developments headed for Har-Magedon war in the future, full blown over the skies and on the grounds of planet earth (Rev16:13-16), you should be able to understand why JWs are unique in giving this spiritual, secular, historic, sovereign and temporal STRUCTURE as a timeline to the end and a grand summary of the intent of prophecy to notify the world of who is coming and what they shall do in GOD and Christ.

Now you guys, I assume you may be “trinitarian” (whatever that is supposed to mean, it aint in no Bible), cannot even tell the difference between God and Christ. So, Satan’s church viruses have done their deadly work in suspending many people in complacency and needless arguments and if they stay there they are done, they must engage reality eventually.

Now as for the proof of 1914 JWs have a problem in the Jerusalem destruction dating, it has to shift 607 to King Neb’s coronation, for these are “gentile times” not that of Jerusalem, another symbol entirely, albeit the Jerusalem timeline does relate and is perfectly parallel. But it has a different final pattern.

Thus 1914 is good because the time of the gentiles, the Babylon “head of gold” symbol of Daniel 2 and 4 by extension was marked in 607 BCE, JWs have the date/event in error because they have been compromised from within, the GB job for KN (Dan11:32a) is to stumble and drag JWs into sins, UN NGO and more lawlessness, they are regegades and cursed by God the GB.

So, when Daniel 8:13-14 comes on JWs and runs its phased timings, the final clarification will soon follow, it is detailed yet simple because King North Globalists know more prophecy at this time than JWs, and that warning is also for them in exact sovereign detail for their lives will hang in the balance and God ALWAYS gives full fair warning and a way out, even to his enemies. (Rev14:6-7)

The churches do not study nor explain these issues as JWs have made a job of these things, they just need a judgment and a final PUSH TO gitterdone, and from JW Org down day 1, they will have 15 years to “gitterdone” as per Isaiah 38.

Everything under man is affected by the sin. It is not just man dying, everything including the whole planet, is dying.

Thus, the death is the same, man was its root, it affected everything.

Now when Christ takes over he has no sin, thus no death, in him as a systemic drag in a temporary so-called ecology now dying in planet earth.

That will affect human beings positively. As with death flowing through humans to the whole planetary life-death system, when life is amped into people becoming sinless to completion, the entire life system will be alive all the time, there will be no decy, no current ecology, no strange weather aberrations and on and on, it will all be over, it will ALL be changed.

As God says he is making ALL things new, and when God says ALL THINGS he freakin’ means ALL things, not a few to please stalled JWs or other stalled human delusions, but ALL THINGS WILL BE MADE MADE MADE NEW.

As in the face as this is, it doesn’t even sink into the thivk JW skull like you’de think it would by now; but it would if they repented of the GB UN NGO sins and the rest.

JWs are blind because they are in sins. (Dan8:14; 2Thess2:11-12)

Let it be a lesson to all of us when God judges JWs soon, first, Peter 4:17.

JWs are arrogant, but that’ll change, it all went to their puffy heads.
[QUOTE who=”frgoad “]What does he mean he was in the spirit on the lord’s day In 1:10?What was the door that opened in revelation 4:1?I wanted to ask everyone who is also a jw on this site what they thought before i jump to any conclusions.[/QUOTE]

You can be “teleported in spirit” like Paul was, when it is so “REAL” you cannot tell if it is a vivid dream or reality. With the prophets like the apostles, these had to be exactly re-collectible dreams/visions/verbal-directions, not the fuzzy weirdness of human dreams as we know them, but exactly clear, TOTAL RECALL, vibrant impressions that lasted until even after the time they were recorded.

Memories are one thing, but direct visions of God will be CLEARER than your waking reality. Every exact detail had to be written down correctly. Now not all prophecy was this kind of experience as with Revelation, especially the real-heaven sequences of future events, but at times that is how God did it.

But remeber by spirit, Daniel was smarter than 100,000,000,001 Einsteins, he was a genius when God plugged him into the perfect spirit. Same with John and the rest.

[QUOTE who=”GreatSouthbay4040″]<quoted text> “Everything under man is affected by the sin. It is not just man dying, everything including the whole planet, is dying.

Thus, the death is the same, man was its root, it affected everything.

Now when Christ takes over he has no sin, thus no death, in him as a systemic drag in a temporary so-called ecology now dying in planet earth.

That will affect human beings positively. As with death flowing through humans to the whole planetary life-death system, when life is amped into people becoming sinless to completion, the entire life system will be alive all the time, there will be no decy, no current ecology, no strange weather aberrations and on and on, it will all be over, it will ALL be changed”

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I try to be fair where i can and when it does not go against my bible trained conscience and leanings….. Saying that….I must admit. This was a decent post up until that point where i cut it off. It made logical sense. Thought provoking. Thanks for sharing. However, as for myself, (Faults or no faults) I will not tolerate talk against Christ’s brothers nor any of his earthly representatives.

I ask that you please save the spiel. I simply thank you for your thoughts on this.


Then JWs must also say so. Animal disease in many cases is an exact analog of its human form such as cancer, arthritis, cataracts, craziness (at times, because some animals are just like that), lukemia, and on and on.

The reason why Christ’s eternal life can be transferred to human in that sacrifice of himself to God is because his life still goes on to God, he was truly innocent and sinless and by extension a human can connect into him as “Last Adam”.

Sinful humans can never provide an atonement but for ourselves, death is the penalty, only thing is no more life results. But Christ’s life in that sacrifice bypasses death.

Now the reason why lambs and rams could cover human sin is because they too are innocent, God could take a payment and in justice they will get that life back, it was not right but it pointed to Christ whose death was not right as well, but to God by this provision he can right the wrong by extending that selfsame life power to humans and Christ was rewarded with immortal life to never ever die again.

Animals can therefore under divine provision that has passed cover human sins only for the year as prescribed by God, but their innocent blood is why it had that power with God and pointed to the Lamb of God, Jesus Christ.

True brothers of Christ must soon speak the final truths for all to hear. Rev10:5-11, 11:2. AGAIN, Rev10:11

It is what it is, JWs are not finished until Rev10:5-7 is to God’s complete summary spec.

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you quoted ONE scripture from revelation that did NOT prove your point, and all the rest is pure speculation, that CT Russell and his movement, borrowed and adapted from the Second Adventist movement that preceded them.
The *7 TIMES * developed a cult following, even among jewish Rabbis. Their understanding is at least more compelling with the Balfour declaration in 1917 for a home land for the jewish people. Romans 11:1-36

Revelation is a serious of visions that show one theme from different camera shots/viewing points. (completion of Isaiah 61)
Revelation 12 The history of the church, ,show the Birth of the Christ Child ,
Jesus and children of the covenant that God made with him in Genesis 1:26, Ephesians chapter 1. It show the persecution of his followers (children of the covenant/ woman.galatians 4:24) from pentecost to the final judgement on worldly Babylon (religious, political, financial system) that span this time period in history, beginning at Pentecost to the end of this system, resulting in the resurrection and judgment, for access to the New Creation REV 21 and 22 .

the Revelation **COMPLETES** jesus statement in Luke 4:19 from Isaiah 61

The Spirit of the Sovereign Lord is on me,
because the Lord has anointed me
to proclaim good news to the poor.
He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted,
to proclaim freedom for the captives
and release from darkness for the prisoners,
2 to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor

and the** day of vengeance of our God,**

he has clothed me with garments of salvation
and arrayed me in a robe of his righteousness,
as a *bridegroom * adorns his head like a priest
and as a bride adorns herself with her jewels.
11 For as the soil makes the sprout come up
and a garden causes seeds to grow,
so the Sovereign Lord will make righteousness
and praise spring up before **all nations.**

cheers bro ;)[/QUOTE]

Here is what it all boils down to, there is divine revelation in Revelation, you assume the outline I give is speculation. If it is not then you are off at the key point in Revelations projected history, some call it prophecy, it is projected history assured to fulfill and become.

Now you and JWs have a lot in common with the “ignorant masses”. They are trained to be ignorant in one key area of understanding they get distracted from their whole lives for some: HOW THIS WORLD REALLY WORKS.

If you cannot understand the basic money-war-government-expansion engine of how the world works, you will not be able to see those simple patterns in the Revelation or other prophecy like Revelation 13:3, Revelation 17:8-12, Revelation 13:5-7, which are core principles of a particular aspect of how this world works rampant now in world processes like globalization.

JWs have been hijacked since before Fred Franz died, so they too cannot see patterns of globalism which define Revelation 16:13-16 “gather the nations”, thus, they say nothing because they see nothing and the GB just pulls the wool over their eyes further.

JWs today are living off of IBSA works and trying to slip in on IBSA coattails. IBSA carried out 1914-1918’s first mission, not JWs, though they continued the work but now stall on the second witnessing mission of Revelation 10:11.

Their relevant pattern is a how-the-world-works pattern of Daniel 11:32a, they have apostasy cultured in their leadership by KN. The GB are th world’s leading two-timing UN NGO apostates, almost as bad as the Pharisees, darn close, but it is enough for a similar judgment to be revealed later. They will eb exposed for the workers of lawlessness they real are in time, they aint no Fred Franz.

But JWs are too organized to see it, that “organization” maintenance needs eats up all their time and much of their money and God can’t use it, he will give it to KN anyways. (Eze7:22)
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I guess Peter had sound advise for *ALL generations* since the first century ..

Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives
But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells.
2 Peter 3:11-13

Are you affiliated to Dawn Bible Students aka IBS that were slandered by Rutherford as the *evil slave class* ? It seems his spirit of slander permeates the Watchtower drones here !

cheers 😉 [/QUOTE]

You don’t need to be “affiliated” to understand the forensics. I don’t need to be FBI to know what Ted Bundy was up to.

Rutherford, Knorr and Franz all got fooled in different ways. The “evil slave” had manifested in 1897 and 1917 but that vigilant Rutherford bought the external distraction when they started to keep blaming those others for the actions from the 2nd board of directors revolt with WT.

God allowed that, but they still waited 2 years after Rutherford died to fart out the “governing body” term in print in 1944, as if valid, but not yet connected to the WT board of directors, yet.

Knorr bought that stunt, as did many others by thinking the governing body was an entity in the first century. THAT was the evil slave “in”. The GB concpet is first the catholic teaching they connected further in specificity to the apostle Peter, but GB now claims apostolic succession too. It is the same virus.

Then when they went hogwild and just had to run the place in the 1971 to 1976 tyrant-override stunts, both Knorr and Franz either went with it or joined Ray Franz in the bucket. But for the record neither Knorr or Franz agreed with that GB tyrannical dictatorship.

So, the IBSA out there with no JW affiliations are also infiltrated by now as they already call wildbeast world government “God’s Kingdom”. So maybe Rutherford was right, their leaders, like JWs’, would have to do this.

But the “evil slave” has been in the wheat/weed field INSIDE JWs the whole time just as Jesus said they would grow together, the Christendom extraction does not work because JWs have a GB clergy so they went back to Christendom.

This is how thy fool JWs today, they got JWs looking over the walls for “apostates” when the GB apostasy sits in their own temple as king. (2Thess2:3-4) And UN endorsing too boot!

No one will like where this is going Daniel 8:13-14, Daniel 11:41, not even poor fooled JWs.

There is one word Satan hides 99% of his deception over man with which to him is easy in the finite material world which an angel at his level is able to manipulate down to the atom, but God limits him, but not completely.

The way Satan hides 99% of the manipulation, demonipulation of the material world and its life systems devolving into death is by making it seem the way it always was, just NATURAL, just a part of “nature”.

Well the fact is he is a powerful serial murdering manslaying angel who loves to murder everything because it is against God the Maker of it all, and this entire fabric of reality is a total lie based on death and more and more lies and the poor dummies born into it who believe everything told us until a couple decades into the trip.

So Satan gets the early formative years to “naturally’ install his fraud lies in everyone Adamic.

And that is why as man moved along in history and experimentation NOT ONE THING did man get correct the first time. And in fact the latest news may be just as wrong, such as assumptions about dinosaurs and aliens and all that science mumbo jumbo that even only provides a few flakes of truth to try to bend to the real truth of Jehovah.


And we wonder why idiots run the planet with more mansions than they will ever use while a poor mother everywhere cannot even put a filling in her daughter’s mouth, and these same idiots devise a peace plan wherein aiming thousands of atomic weapons at each other is somehow wise. Thank God when Jesus shows up with Jehovah and holds these poor “beautiful people” accountable to their faces.

But in the meantime, Satan just hides it all in human logic based on but a couple lifetimes of understanding half way in process, if that, one from the poor human raised in schools of pure lies and the other from the human who wrote the books to fill those schools LIEbraries.

It is ALL hidden behind a demonic mythology based on the “natural world”.

Well them myths are nothing to Jehovah, and he don’t get in anyone’s face to force anyone to do anything, and if men do do that they have devolved into apostasy. But when Jehovah does show it is life or death. Jehovah don’t f*$% around, and men are not ignorant in this fog of lies, they will know what is what when God and Christ show with 1000 billion holy angels. (Rev6:12-17)

There is NOTHING “natural” in this world, Satan is ruling and demonipulating the totality. To get the whole truth you have to throw the whole lie out. How many can do it? We are soon to find out, but not as soon as misled JWs think, they have to fall first for an end that will not come as soon as expected, then get up. (Rev11:1; Zech4:1) And make the final announcement now for Christ’s Kingdom. (Rev10:11)

The dead GB are who stall JWs now.
There is no nerve at Topix to hit, it is random database misreads by their pseudo “ai”. When you search only “Jehovah’s witnesses” on Google, Topix is the generic first return after jw org sites.

And compared to other supposed “anti-jw” sites, Topix is the most open to allowing the actual story to get publicized.

Now if I am such an “anti-jw” as some claim, why would jw net kick me out 5 times when they supoosedly love anti-GB dirt?

Because they like to discredit JWs, but they do NOT want the actual prophetic and infiltration reason WHY this is happening to be told.

This is all organized crime and discrediting because Jehovah’s witnesses were entrusted with the final truth since “witness 1” (Rev11) and now they use JW malfeasance and complacenecy against the source of truth which has now stalled a good 30 years.

If not for Topix there is no organized JW forum that allows the full Daniel 8:13-14 prophetic explanation to be made public in full.

If Topix had this supposed “nerve” I would have hit it already.

[QUOTE who=”Alank”]<quoted text>

LOL , Not with me, I laugh at her desperation


You know as a JW I used to go door to door looking for new sheep. And if one is getting to know God you shouldn’t try to harm those “little ones” because “their angels ALWAYS behold the face of my Father in heaven” is what Jesus said. And at least Jehovah’s witnesses are ACTUALLY Jehovah’s witnesses when they began, there is full basic truth their, but it is being corrupted by a corporate board of directors who have always been the source of folly in JWs since 1897, 1917 and the 1970s.

So, I am not going to cover for those money and glory hounds who have now built up a 50 BILIION DOLLAR JW religious empire while using God’s truth to do this, they have their own “millstone” readied for the “sea” and we have Matthew 24:15 and the JW UN NGO too boot where Christ says to flee the “apostate Jerusalem” of today.

So it is a fineline, more truth is coming, the GB are the “man of lawlessness” but the new sheep need to learn, but I guess it is best at home with the Bible and Fred Franz era material. The rest will become known when Daniel 8:13-14 fulfills on today’s veered-off-course JWs.

THAT is the predicament the GB lawlessness and congregation pedophiles have put us in.

[QUOTE who=”Tony Price 77″]<quoted text>

So are you saying that God’s not defining truth now?


What you could have gathered from my statement, being a Jehovah’s witnesses but former UN JW as far as a religion, is the “versions” is plural.

To clarify, in a sense of faith Jws have the bomb, no one can compete, so the GB was introduced to much it up and add in heavy sexual sins and UN NGO to even it out for the Devil.

Now the public shame JWs experience, albeit they whisk it away with truth and hubris, is due to the GB, until they are gone JWs will stay in that delusion though the GB has made them the most shameful religion to date other than Pharisaic Jews.

Even that “version of truth” failed in the lies they allowed in, and God permitted it. (2Thess2:11-12)

So, what I am saying is many people have a version of “love your neighbor as yourself” even if in no “religion” and these who actually practice it shall be saved too, regardless of their entire former life or religion or lack of. (Rev14:6-8; Rom2)

At this time many can cajole this away. But when times get more severe, and they will, people can consider Revelation 14:6-7 is a simple, in the face, plain English, ETERNAL ABSOLUTE TRUTH.

Instead of acting like you worry about JW truth and JWs, being a sinner like all of us, you should just consider the ETERNAL GOOD NEWS of Revelation 14:6-7, and if you love your neighbor as yourself in God’s eyes, you’ll be saved.

Is that true or not?

The good news is going to get so simple you will become Jehovah’s witness in the future even if you never set foot in a Kingdom Hall in the sense you will tell people the eternal good news once you believe it yourself, soon.

[QUOTE who=”Tony Price 77″]<quoted text>

Oh really? Well, that’s a new one on me. Also, as far as Rev 14:6-8 goes… if JWs are correct in their interpretation of those verses, then how can parts of Babylon the Great who practice a version of “love your neighbor as yourself” be saved?


Tony, Christians are supposed to “widen out” their love, this is not the SuperBowl thisteam vs. thatteam.

The religious global corporate institution the Bible terms symbolically “Babylon the Great” like early Babylon will fall by “Cyrus” but Christ, the Cyrus reality, will use 8th King world government to destroy that instituion at global scale preceded by a very clear, total, complete warning beforehand which now defunct JWs will have to carry forth as per Revelation 10:11.

It will get so clear over the next 17 years EVEN YOU will recall this prophecy and catch on. If that is a delusion you are dead, if it is the truth you too can walk into the courtyard (Earth under Christ) of the Kingdom of God Messianic Kingdom Agency under King Christ.

Which choice will you make come Revelation 14:6-8 time, as per Revelation 11:13?

See, Tony, when Babylon fell MANY PEOPLE OTHER THAN JEWS WERE ALSO FREED AND SAVED. And as per Revelation 11:13 when world government goes forth as foretold to destroy global religions, many people will be freed to the reality GOD has always been the only one they have, the horrific absence of BTG will be the final sign God shall give them as Revelation 14:6-7 must be being offered as the anti-BTG events which lead to Revelation 14:8 are wrapping up.

THAT is how we know to this day and that one some of God’s “my people” ARE STILL PRISONERS OF BTG and [some] of them will be saved, the ones who avoid allegiance to world government and thus avoid the 666 final mark of destruction.

a HUGE OPEN SALVATION FINAL CALL shall precede BTG’s fall and be offered through it to its end. Babylon goes down to also free God’s final “my people”, the ones too ignorant and fooled to catch on now who will have no choice as far as their worthless religions, but who have indeed “loved their neighbor as themselves”.

JWs go down BEFORE world government as a sign, but God will preserve the ministry for the final warning; it will be Daniel 8:13-14 as 1Peter 4:17 as Revelation 8.

It is called the Temple Judgment, and this is its final cycle.

[QUOTE who=”Tony Price 77″]

So how is it that so many people can have different interpretations of scriptural verses? JWs have their interpretation of Rev 14:6-8, you have your interpretation of that verse… and I’m sure that the Mad JW has his interpretation of that verse. And etc., etc., and so forth.


The fruit of the tree of knowledge gave everyone the “freedom” to make their own truth as they see fit. THAT is the analog which hybridizes in error and sin and human ambitions into this nasty religious quagmire of lies and a drip of truth to sell it you see today. But, it is present in politics, business and academia, etc, too.

As long as God allows men to define “good and evil” this problem shall persist, it began in Genesis 3 6000 years ago. As you see when a group of uppity men like the JW GB started to eat good, count billions and hang out daydreaming, they devised a plan to hi-jack JW truth and “update” what they wanted keeping Fred Franz in a pumpkin shell after 1976.

How has their “truth” overhaul worked out for JWs? Let us see:

1. They have stumbled MORE people than there have ever been JWs.

2. They kicked God to the curb with Christ for their own tyranny, power drunk freaks that they are.

3. They victimize victims further by CONCEALING KN RAPE, while stacking the deck against the victims to try to silence them.

4. They joined the UN as a “non-kingdom organization” in total denouncing blasphemy.

5. They remain mum on globalization and the real final development of King North 8th King world government, covering up Daniel 8 and 11 prophecy top suit their stalled deceptions.

THAT all happened in the most truthful ministry of our time, in just 40 years, and the serpents who feed that fruit to JWs are in the GB; but it is also well foretold and registered in 1990 signs in Daniel 8:12, Daniel 11:32a, Daniel 11:30b-31.

The GB are JWs new, but related, “man of lawlessness” to deal with, their own dirty UN allied lying clergy of Revelation 2:2, 8:10.

[QUOTE who=”Tony Price 77″]

So how is it that so many people can have different interpretations of scriptural verses? JWs have their interpretation of Rev 14:6-8, you have your interpretation of that verse… and I’m sure that the Mad JW has his interpretation of that verse. And etc., etc., and so forth.


The fruit of the tree of knowledge gave everyone the “freedom” to make their own truth as they see fit. THAT is the analog which hybridizes in error and sin and human ambitions into this nasty religious quagmire of lies and a drip of truth to sell it you see today. But, it is present in politics, business and academia, etc, too.

As long as God allows men to define “good and evil” this problem shall persist, it began in Genesis 3 6000 years ago. As you see when a group of uppity men like the JW GB started to eat good, count billions and hang out daydreaming, they devised a plan to hi-jack JW truth and “update” what they wanted keeping Fred Franz in a pumpkin shell after 1976.

How has their “truth” overhaul worked out for JWs? Let us see:

1. They have stumbled MORE people than there have ever been JWs.

2. They kicked God to the curb with Christ for their own tyranny, power drunk freaks that they are.

3. They victimize victims further by CONCEALING KN RAPE, while stacking the deck against the victims to try to silence them.

4. They joined the UN as a “non-kingdom organization” in total denouncing blasphemy.

5. They remain mum on globalization and the real final development of King North 8th King world government, covering up Daniel 8 and 11 prophecy top suit their stalled deceptions.

THAT all happened in the most truthful ministry of our time, in just 40 years, and the serpents who feed that fruit to JWs are in the GB; but it is also well foretold and registered in 1990 signs in Daniel 8:12, Daniel 11:32a, Daniel 11:30b-31.

The GB are JWs new, but related, “man of lawlessness” to deal with, their own dirty UN allied lying clergy of Revelation 2:2, 8:10.

Some of the other Jehovah’s witnesses here, well this is too heavy for them so they have “made a lie their refuge” and that is why Jehovah lets them remain blind. (Isa28) Or they cannot see the thing because it is too big and hidden in plain sight.

But they can repent when the first phase, 3.19 years, 1150 days of Daniel 8:13-14 falls on the JW Org as Daniel 11:41, Matthew 24:15.
[QUOTE who=”Arkham Bravo”]When we come into this world, we arrive with no belief in a God or gods. We are without theism or atheistic.

Then depending on our demographics and geographic location we are taught a system to believe in. As children, there really is little choice. A child will be raised in the belief system of their guardians. They will be indoctrinated into the system and it will shape their worldview until they are free to explore other options as an adult. But by then many are set in their belief system and few leave the safety of their beliefs.

Humans are the engineers of these belief systems, whether theistic or atheistic. We are not born with them. These belief systems were formed to answer questions humans had until discovery, experimentation, philosophy, and invention brought us into modern scientific thinking where answers became based on observed natural laws and experimentation and not fantastical stories and mythology.

It’s sad that those early belief systems are still clung to today. They stifle human progress. They cause wars, divide families, and reduces humans to fearful little ants instead of solidifying their position as the most dominant life form on this planet.[/QUOTE]

They slowed it down enough to meet the divine timeline of 2300, 1260 and 1290 coming up over the next 17 years or so.

Had Nimrod got his way 4000 years ago and the Earth was all in one language and “Nimrod World Government Under Satan” ruled everything everyone would believe in and worship Satan directly. It would be streamlined, albeit Satan would still lie.

That is why God broke it all up way back then, so we can head into world government a final time and this time God is doing the big one, not just confusing languages, but afterward making it one again. (Zeph3:8-9)

That will accelerate the 1000 Year Reign progress.

[QUOTE who=”the Mad JW”]2 nutballs….

But at least Micro knows the Truth, while Hissy denies Jesus even died![/QUOTE]

All it means is the pyramid is Satan’s Masonic calendar and that 1914 is important to all sovereign sides for a reason.

That is also why God has his own calendar in Daniel and Revelation superior to Satan’s and so the pyramid clock was dropped pronto.

It all merely proves even cosmically in Satan’s domain 1914 is the key year of it all.

Now it just repeats as JWs dropped the world government tracking ball as UN NGO and all them “nuts” now think God is cool with a little UN allaince action.

He is NOT. (Daniel 8:13-14)

Now that JWs think the GB is cool with God, well that is what is plain nuts here.

In time, you’ll catch on how serious this really is. (Rev1:1; Rev10:11)

[QUOTE who=”sidgi”]Can anyone explain what that means? It would seem that there is a lot of ambiguity tied up in the very label, “The True Religion” From what aspect of service to God is it true? That is, if it is claiming that it’s truth is– from God— about God—about what God wants from men. Where is an approved religion, of whole cloth, mentioned in the bible? Or is it totally men’s ideas, using bible teaching as a basis, from their own deductions, or some other man’s perspective?

No matter what it is, it is a claim of men today. Where is it’s bona fides? Is it that it is something just universally understood and accepted; that God wishes such a thing; a religion to represent Him? Is there some kind of direct statement from God, about such a thing being desirable from His standpoint? Or is it just something men have come up with, and it sounds good to them, in the assumption and hope that God will approve of it?

Whenever discussion of this topic is put forth, no one wishes it’s successful end. The only conclusion that can be ascertained from that, is that God doesn’t wish successful conclusion. How could that be, if God wishes a true religion? Would He wish Babylon to be the resulting conclusion? The answer could be yes, if He doesn’t wish a religion at all. It would be painfully evident to someone who put’s God first in their lives, that continued stumbling at something, show’s a spiritual problem. Is the problem with the individual…or with the pursuit? (speaking in terms of someone seeking God’s approval)

If knee-jerk responses are what dominate the discussion, or criticisms of others, or unwillingness to consider ones own pursuits, and not something based soundly on God’s actual statements determining such a thing……. that allows it to stand based on the determinants of men, not God. I’m not sure that anyone here cares. Prove me incorrect.


“Religion” derives from the word Relic and Legion, and Legion of organized and codified relic worshipers.

Thus ALL RELIGION is “false” in God’s eyes when the “organization” merely directs the worship of idols in the form of traditions, visuals and corporate big wigs.

JWs are a good example of how a “religion” gets dirtier, as the detectives say in an investigation, the “clean get cleaner and the dirty get dirtier”.

That is true about JWs or Catholics, their religions get dirtier as time passes and the more you dig, the more bones you find. Turns out both the JWs and the Catholics have been stashing the bones of dead raped children in their corporate closets; except JWs have structured it in such a way all JWs can be held liable.

With the Catholics only the clergy is liable.

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Keep beating that dead horse. How unfortunate would it be for you to keep bringing up the mistakes of men, when a rafter as big as a house is probably in your own eye.

Tell me something if God is not leading Jehovah’s Witnesses, wouldn’t it be more beneficial to reveal who he is leading? That way people who want to follow God can associate with like-minded individuals? So tell me where is the people that God is leading?


It wasn’t a “mistake”. After 2034 Abraham will stay at Beth sarim, the game is just beginning, far from over.

There is nothing wrond with a little real estate investment. True, 30 billion is now WTBTS overboard, but J Rutherford did not let a GB walk over him, he shut them down in 1917, so he was the strongest Christian leader of the modern era for good reason; just look what that GB did to JWs after 1970.

As much as I like Fred Franz and Knorr, JF was the main man to tie UN 1 and Un 2 together with no interference which was successful. Cutrently JWs joined UN 3 and mum UN 4 world government, because they extorted Fred Franz and Knorr with the fear of the Ray Franz Guillotine.

God let it happen (2Thess2:11-12) and now wait and see what he himself will do to the GB by Destroyer, when 3.19 years have elapsed in the Daniel 8:13-14 coming temple judgment of Jehovah’s witnesses.

Beth sarim will be a west coast picnic spot for Abraham, Job, Noah, Moses and David and the others, mark them words see it after Christ arrival. (rev11:15-18) But it aint nothing compared to the things the Kingdom will make.

[QUOTE who=”Passerby”]They say that when Jesus ascended to heaven after His resurrection, He assumed the name of Michael again. I got one nagging question for all JWs: if you are so correct that The proper name of Jesus is Michael now in heaven, how come you guys don’t end your prayers in the name of Michael instead of Jesus? Why? Is it possible that you guys don’t even trust your silly notion that Jesus is Michael?[/QUOTE]

No. Christ is the human priest sacrifice, so his name, the perfect human being Jesus Christ is who the prayers go through. Michael is a heavenly power, though indirectly he was sacrificed, he had to do it in the human form of Jesus.

Thus, Michael’s name has no direct human connection, it becomes significance as to who the Christ was before he assumed the human form to actually become that Christ.

Michael is the historic first proper name of the Archangel, the “Word of God” is his purpose not his proper name and his personage as angel is in direct overlordship of all the angels as a name that has only direct heavenly meaning even if he did dust some Egyptians, toast 185,000 Assyrians and soon to destroy the GB, he is still a heavenly associated person.

Jesus Christ, on the other hand, is a perfect last-Adamic human being with direct root in mankind for “Son of Man” he is and Eternal Father of all mankind he will become forevermore. That is a pretty direct relationship. He will be in every perfect human as their greatest forefather.

Michael, being angel is the Hebrews noted master immortal spirit pattern for the 144000, they assume his heavenly form (Heb2), humans will have no direct heavenly form like that, they get the perfect human Christ form.

But those others are the “bride of Christ” whose power will be in the transforming of humanity as their implied New or Last Eve, humanities’ Eternal Mother. (Isa54)

[QUOTE who=”Billy”]<quoted text>

The Watchtower once claimed to be the mouthpiece of God.
They later admitted they’re not in fallible.
So are they the fallible mouthpiece of God?


If one is not the “mouthpiece of God” and claims to be that is bad.

If one is the “mouthpiece of God” as claimed to be and goes bad, that is WORSE.

If you have any doubts this is the WORST CASE SCENARIO as engineered by the GB, Daniel 8:13-14 falling on the JW Org like a billion tons of red hot steel bricks will help alleviate anymore doubts.

BUT, if one still doubts it is phased and timed in Daniel 8:14 and 3.19 years are the darkest period, “the evening” of Daniel 8:26.

Recovery will come minus the GB who will be exposed as the final Revelation prophecy cycle “man of lawlessness” (Rev2:2; Rev8:10-11), the “sword-stroke” world war will “heal” it will not have been “doomsday” (2Thess2:1-2; Rev13:3) and 8th King King North King Fierce World Government will arise. (Rev11:7, Rev17:8-18)

THAT will trigger Christ arrival.

We got 15 years or so to get all the ducks in a row.

[QUOTE who=”Her”]<quoted text>

remember the good old days when jws at least pretended to be deep thinkers and bible students? [/QUOTE]

They weren’t “pretending”. The GB is when the dumb-down campaign was started to transform JWs into GB Damage Control Department due to massive known global lawlessness.

THAT is who changed JWs, the filthy GB.

Russell, Rutherford and Fred Franz were so ahead of their time JWs today cannot fathom it from the time alternative news thinks they offer something new, which JFR exposed in hundreds of pages of his books way back in 1930.

But these brothers were so early at being way ahead of their time, that precedent also eludes modern JW attention.

Even Knorr, by just hanging out with these guys, knew the UN would be 8th King world government, he nailed the first pattern in 1944, but he had help.

God had to be with them to be that far ahead. God has to have abandoned lawless JWs now, to be this far behind when even Alex Jones is a greater seer than JWs now.

Why no study and Bible discussion?

GB and UN NOGO massive sins, I mean massive, it will be a miracle if God leaves one brick on a brick when he hammers the JW org as Daniel 8:13 soon.

But he will leave that single stack, because his name is what he will be sanctifying, NOT JWs, they just get cleansed by the “fire” of Rev8:1-8, Zech3:2 and Mal3:1-5.

It will be the final “temple judgment” cycle and the JW money changers are the first to go down under the whip of Destroyer the Christ of God.
[QUOTE who=”Tony Price 77″]<quoted text>

Hmmm. Well, I still wonder how that’s going to work out when the earth becomes full in the new system.


Read Isaiah 54, “the PLACE of your [Rev21] “tent” will be made more SPACIOUS”.

The “physical universe is based on the same infinite principles God ALMIGHTY uses for EVERYTHING else he made perfect.

“SPACE” is no limitation nor earth’s perceived “dimension” at present.

Think God is somehow limited by physical things? LOL


isaiah 54 is key:

1. JWs do not understand the riddle of God through Paul; yet

2. It has to be not about the “woman with the husbandly owner”, God’s “woman”, but about the Bride of Christ, the final now “barren woman” also without a husbandly owner because the “marriage of the Lamb” is yet future.

Isaiah 54 proves this GB is fake, because its contradictions leave but one “woman” in question, the Bride of Christ who shall have far more than 144000 children, but billions and all the animals she loves.


Especially that of God and all who practice it shall also be immortal, Rev22.

After the final test of Satan HUMAN IMMORTALITY is all Revelation 22 can apply to, by that time.

[QUOTE who=”Tony Price 77″]<quoted text>

LOL Sorry, but JWs would think just the opposite of what I said in my quote. 🙂


In what way? The Archangel is Christ, he has angels, in first form the are sent straight into the demon mix to back JW truth in this world as per JWs, 1919 in full form, all “seven seals” secret revealed to the Lamb, Christ.

JWs already believe this. 1Thess4:17 has to have a fullest form when phase 2 of angelic penetration takes place for the gathering in fully REVEALED in our face form. There has to be a “we the living” especially WHO ARE SURVIVING to rendevouz with those angels in PRE Rev14:6-7 form because in Rev14:1 the 144000 will ALREADY be complete.

JWs could agree with that if not for the GB coma.

[QUOTE who=”Honey Bee”]<quoted text>

The earth will have already been filled at that time.

Matthew 22:30
For in the resurrection neither do men marry nor are women given in marriage, but are as angels in heaven.

* Remember “What happens to man, happens to animals”

There will no longer be any lustful thoughts that Satan has brought down to mankind in the new earth.

That goes for the animals as well.[/QUOTE]

That statement applies to the heavenly Bride, who actually is given in marriage and are as ‘angels IN HEAVEN”

Then Jesus said after the above, “BUT AS RESPECTS” the “resurrection of the dead…” he changed the subject, then, to the general resurrection.

this WHOLE universe will be expanded into. “Room” is no limitation. earth will be “made more spacious” for as God is, eternity, so is everything he creates.

Isaiah 34:14-17 lets us know Jehovah intends all animals to have their mate forever. Even the “arrow snake” and “nightjar”.

Currently dead animals will be resurrected and have the children they were purposed to have.

When Christ arrives “roadkill” will pop up from the pavement and from the sides of the rode in complete living form, on the spot, when Christ shows up for the show down.

[QUOTE who=”dee rightful”]

So what you are saying is the WTS is forgiven for their corruption because you claim all others are also corrupt? It doesn’t work that way for wrong is always wrong without repentance and the WTBTS never repents for they hold themselves up as God and savior.
Ro you see your problem as you try to sound reasonable in oder to ignore the evil of a cult that draws people away from God for their own vain glory.

What I am saying is like Israel, JWs are chosen and because it has devolved the Danieil 8:13-14 judgment is coming on JWs to, in Daniel 8:14 time, form a final warning sign inception event to mark that prophecy. That prophecy parallels Zech3, Mal3:1-5, so Revelation 8-11 begins in final form with the JW Org downfall.

Christendom was judged as rejected by God in 1919, official, their works prior to that does have apostles of various ages, but God had to toos the Catholic core in 1919, official. They will NOT be recovered as ministries, people in them can still be saved when world government outlaws and destroys that fake “church”.

JWs, on the other hand, will be cleansed by heavy fire of Zech3:2, but they will be recovered after “right condition” cleansing of Dan8:14, they are the chosen vessel for the final warning of Rev10:11, rev11:1-7 no matter what final form it takes seeing as God will nearly wipe out the org for UN NGO since 1990; (Matt24:15)

Now Christenvenomdom has been riding ye olde wildbeast like JWs since 1990, since 1921, so they are toast as far as a religious corporate empire now sold under Satan with the purpose of telling their misled flocks 8th King wildbeast world government is the kingdom of god.

Then they go down for good.

That frees up some final sheep in Christendom for salvation of Rev11:13, Rev14:6-8.

In the meantime, you are wasting your time trying to defend that corrupted unit.

Can Any SIN Shock a JW?
Well you got a pedophile epidemic being coddled and concealed by the GB Policy Makers (Isa10) without so much as a batted eye from the JW hubricons.

You got the JW Org full astride the scarlet wildbeast 3rd UN manifestation as silnced Daniel 11:31 prophecy as UN NGO; not so much as one JW peeeeep.

But if you puff a Camel after the meeting and they see yer lit cherry speeding off in the rear view, hold on to your gnat straining hat!

What a bUNch of hypocrites, eh? It is almost funny.
[QUOTE who=”Tony Price 77″]<quoted text>

lol 😀 I’m sorry. I didn’t mean to laugh… but what about the “roadkill” that had gotten eaten by birds or other animals and which is now miles away from the original “roadkill” site? lol 😀


It is funny. I was going to get into skeletons and whatnot but space would not permit. The “soul” image is recorded in God, all reality can be “replayed’ like a divine tape. People use the term “remembers” which is fine in relation to God recalling the dead, but it is more than that. God experiences it because the REALITY is what is, it is what it is, it cannot be erased. But the things seemingly lost can be restored in exact detail, every memory in tact, every atom as it was, the exact same “spirit”.

The greatest case is the resurrection of Jesus with trillions of years of memories before this universe even began, and after, and every exact moment in his experience and memory, not to mention a very complex spirit “being” was restored in exact detail.

How can God do this? By, in generic terms, having access to all reality spirit and material in exact detail from its record of being in him.

So, resurrecting a human or a dog, well it would be more difficult, in relative terms, for you to make a TV dinner in a microwave. Because if he can restore the entire first created massively complex being in exact detail plus immortality now, there is nothing which can be extricated from this REALITY.

Unless God erases the image, the soul, which is the ‘second death” or the first death in Gehenna which beings cannot be restored even by God. Basically everything else other than incorrigibly wicked humans and angels will be restored because God does nothing half vast.

[QUOTE who=”Tony Price 77″]<quoted text>

Hmmm. Well, could Isaiah 34:14-17 mean something different from what you think that it means? Also, I’m sure that the Watchtower Society has read that verse before… and I’m sure that they don’t believe that it means what you believe that it means.


Really? What else could it mean? It has one subject, very clear what it means.

That is why it says ‘search the book of Jehovah”, it is not a subject covered too often nor central to salvation; well, at least human salvation and that is pretty much all people seem to care about or not care about.

Thus the subject matter would be elusive for these kinds of reasons.

And with JWs, they have dumbed down too much to take very seriously as far as anything Fred Franz tried to teach them, you couldn’t even tell them the significance of Isaiah 34:14-17 occurring after the desolation of “Edom” in Isaiah 34, they forgot what “Edom” means.

So I will spare you that part of the continuum too.

But rest assured after JW Org goes down (Dan8:13-14), when you have to accept that reality, the rest of the prophecy continuum will continue as well. By the time JWs finally are caught on, this whole forecast will have been out, in complete form, for about 10 years.

And if that part came true, which it will, so will the rest. (Rev9-11; final cycle)
[QUOTE who=”Honey Bee”]<quoted text>

Luke 20:34,35

34) Jesus said to them: “The children of this system of things marry and are given in marriage,
35) but those who have been counted worthy of gaining that new system of things “AND” the resurrection of the dead neither marry nor are given in marriage.[/QUOTE]

It just may simplify the dramas, etc. Yet children and procreation are not dependent on marriage or physical sex. And we know Christ marries the Bride, so there is a class “marriage” and he is Eternal Father and his “wife” is quite fruitful. (Isa54)

In addition, we have to be patient although more is opening up , there is still much to learn and its revelation is guided by God, but with patience it will come.

In spite of that, there is an urgent portion obviously (Rev10:5-11), because no way was the now “reserved oil” batch of 1914 “oil” the only thing we are going to hear from the Messianic Kingdom portion of the announcement in “light” of Zechariah 4. The Messianic Kingdom was only “born” in 1914, and no one has been saying much of its complete maturation with the human rival world government. (Dan2:31-45)

Plus, we have obvious UN activity since NWO 1990 and rampant total globalization and its world government intrigues in progress, another ‘sword-stroke” a brewing, and it has all been and is being bypassed by modern JWs with nary a peep of how this all applies to climax prophecy from Bethel, mum has been the word since Fred Franz change of venue.

That Kingdom will also require a “kingdom Proclamation”, hence the second witness of the TWO witnesses, IN THE FUTURE.

And in time, JWs will have to summarize what has been bypassed since 1990 in full form. (Rev11:1-7)

[QUOTE who=”I_know_better_now “]<quoted text>

Do you see how you are confusing people? If you have your suspicions against the GB you should keep it to yourself. Because you are doing damage by attacking the truth while at the same time you try to defend it. You have to decide what exactly it is you will do. Do you understand what it is I am saying. If something is wrong it will be addressed by Jehovah. Isaiah 66:1 Jehovah makes it quite clear HE is in charge of everything. It would be in all lovers of truths best interests to not attack the truth while trying to promote it. If you have your suspicions like I said ok, but let time and Jehovah deal with it. What you are doing is causing people to be confused. Granted many on here are not serious handlers of truth. You though sound like you want to handle the truth but you do so erringly because you are angry about something. You should cease and change your perspective. Work with Jehovah not against him. [/QUOTE]

I went through that confusion for 14 months before I fully was eye-opened by the spirit to what the GB is in Daniel 11:30b and 32a. It was a tough period to see I was fearing fakes by their use of men like the valid Rutherford and Fred Franz.

The GB is NOT Knorr, Fred or JF. If they were they would not have lifted themselves up on a supposiiton, distracted from it by the framing of Ray Franz and sought what they really wanted: limelight and power.

They are Korah.

So, me being faithful as God dictated by faith in hima and Christ, though I judged myself a sinner loser, was required to “see” all this, now way am I amking this up, God must be opening and “revealing the lawless one” prior to Destroyer frying them, micro-waving them, from the temple, as your sentiments are correct Jehovah can and will remove the core problem in the GB and then fully expose them for what they are in key final cycle prophecy.

Like it or not all JWs will have to go through this confusion if they let the GB deception in to the level I did, it takes time and Daniel 8:14 has that time.

BUT, the sooner you start the better.

It has to come out IKBN, the sooner the better even if in only its initial form.
[QUOTE who=”I_know_better_now “]Of course none of us like seeing things that do not belong in the ‘holy place’ but we must still be careful.[/QUOTE]

Matthew 24:15 speaks of bad things in the “holy place” and the most careful you can be is to FLEE JW ORG “Jerusalem”, home of apostate anointed.

It is NOT in approval, nor will it be, until it passes through the Zech3:2 Dan8:13-14 “fire”.

He, King North, is “near, at the doors”. (Dan11:41)

[QUOTE who=”I_know_better_now “] Where is your faith?[/QUOTE]

Where is your faith? Why sit in the nosebleed section when you can see this concert front row and on stage?

Time to pipe up and quit being a spectator. Play the game, don’t just sit on the bench.

[QUOTE who=”I_know_better_now “]<quoted text>

This is not a game it is your life. Your treating it as a game is where you go wrong. Deputizing yourself is where you are wrong. If and when Jehovah sends his servant to do a task it will be in the most effective way not on a forum or a blog. You are not acting discreetly. You are flagrant and careless. [/QUOTE]

You assume I “deputized” myself. I you considered the other option you would be trying to put a lamp under your basket.

The Daniel 8:13 “evening” has enough darkness and it is coming. Let the let shine while you can.

Everything summarized from prophecy here, FINAL CYCLE CLIMAX PROPHECY, in which JWs are center stage in the prophecy, again (Rev10:11), will ALL come true.

The more time you waste trying to snuff the light of the reserve oil, the more time you will waste in what must get done. (Rev10:11) In it’s own timing from Daniel 8:14 to Rev11:3.

You can’t stall this or stop this, but you can stall yourself in the required progress.

It IS coming. (Daniel 8:13-14) It is also Revelation 8, final cycle, all the way unto witness 2.

[QUOTE who=”I_know_better_now “]<quoted text>

I am afraid you are a soldier in your own little army. Not trying to belittle you. Just being truthful.[/QUOTE]

You are human. IF you ashed God through Christ, and he listened, he would indicate the real truth to you. Because you think you already know, the mystery will persist until you ask him.

IF you really have faith in him, you’d know he answers deep questions. You do belittle the process, but it can be excused given the severity of the deception and that God has to have permitted it in the first place. (2Thess2:11-12)

But, just as he allowed it so too he will cause it to cease for more light, soon. This final light must precede world government and the Christ arrival, and the temple judgment of jehovah’s witnesses is how it must begin as Daniel 8:13-14 parallel with Revelation 8.

It is almost time for it to begin. (1Pet4:17) Almost, not quite. Your involvement and participation shall be necessary for the portion of scattered sheep you will soon encounter. (Zech13:7) Do not “shrink back” when the time comes, for now it is understandable some will react, and continue to react for a while longer like yourself.

This will aid your empathy when you catch on how serious this really is. Soon, there will be no real time for delay. (Rev10:5-7)

Ask Christ and God in union and they will answer you when you are ready. This is no joke, error nor deception. (Dan8:26)

It simply is what it is. (Daniel 8:13-14; Zech3:1-5)

It has to happen.
I understand why you and JWs are so shocked and hope ridicule and doubt will make Revelation 10:11 not a modern command commission to come soon.

But it is what it is. YOU must “prophesy AGAIN”.

that will be the finality of it all. 1260 future days, after JWs are awakened and ready as Daniel 8:14’s timing.

You will hae to test that timing. I already know it will transpire as said by Gabriel. (Dan8:11-14,26)

THAT is why even Daniel was “sick for days”, that is how big this will be. It wiped Daniel out, and all he saw and felt was the vision of the Temple Judgment of Jehovah’s Witnesses.

THINK about it.

There is no cakewalk free ride if you chose the way of Christ, his “path”. But then again, he is God’s crowned prince, King of God’s Kingdom temporarily, but eternal King to be of the Messianic Kingdom of David, and that final Zech6:9-15 King-Priest super-coronation must be announced beforehand.
[QUOTE who=”Jparkh81″]<quoted text>

Life in Christ is another matter. That is my point and why I don’t believe the “dead not knowing anything” to be literal. Solomon who walked away from God, tried to satisfy himself with everything under the sun including 700 wives, and gets totally disillusioned with life on earth. He then writes a book showing how pointless and meaningless life is without God. When he finally gets to the end of the book he says:

13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter:
Fear God and keep His commandments,
For this is man’s all.
14 For God will bring every work into judgment,
Including every secret thing,
Whether good or evil.

You can see his perspective in chapter 3
20 All go to one place: all are from the dust, and all return to dust. 21 Who knows the spirit of the sons of men, which goes upward, and the spirit of the animal, which goes down to the earth?

So he speaks from an earthly perspective to say human and animals both return to the dust but then admits he doesn’t know whether the spirit of man goes upward and spirit of animal goes down. [/QUOTE]

Agreed. I do not judge Solomon he went fishing and found out about sharks. But his wives had plenty of pets and they did have something to do with that one question of great future importance he already answered, but could not quite believe that OF COURSE God will restore the dead animals.

We know certainly from Christ who made them from God the Creator’s design, that he will not “loose a thing out of all that was given me”, and his life power can recover from DEATH and hades. But as Solomon showed doubly sure, animals are also “in the one place” of Sheol/hades, and thus their restoration is guaranteed, the eventual “eventuality” of life by Christ is also their destiny.

But because Christ also removes generic “death”, they too can live forever as well. JWs and some people try to limit the scope of the death Christ considers the “last enemy”. But that is because of doubt and lack of faith.

Christ has no lack of faith, his faith will envelop this universe.

Animals get resurrected, you will probably have more reception from a “churchoid” than a JW on that solid truth if you spoke it in the presence of others.

Go figure. At least that has been my experience with it. But I have not bumped it off as many JWs as regular worldlings.

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Oh no you don’t get off that easy.. You make great claims to know things others don’t so you are obligated to be the lamp and let your light shine.. Otherwise you are a fraud behind a keyboard just trying to instigate JW’s into rebellion against Jehovah.


You are the ones rebelling and trying to skate in for free with nary a peep of modern world government globalization exposing commentary. The GB has drained and dumped your “oil”. To reserve it the original oil must be guarded and readied for a final lamp light campaign. (Rev11:3)

The Matthew 25:1-13 reserved “oil” is what the GB are getting you to dump, the original “oil” is the 1914 sovereign ultimatum of God’s Kingdom prophecy and “sacred secret” which came to be understood since that time.

But there is also a Messianic Kingdom entity which has gotten only a cigar, all JWs talk about in regard to the Messianic Kingdom is that it was born in 1914.

I guess to JWs it was a still birth and shall never mature, complete, save a “great crowd” from the NWO and Satan (Matt24:21-22) and conquer this world by vastly superior forces wherein Satan and the demons are just gnats with pea shooters.

Instead, in reality, The MESSIANIC KINGDOM AGENCY is to complete with world government as its rival for the big showdown. And that Kingdom, like God’s Kingdom but the one God “sets up a kingdom which will crush and put an end to all these [other] kingdoms” also requires an announcement of global scope.

That “five discreet virgin” “reserved oil” is lit up with the “morning of the Daniel 8:14 JW release from a needed abyss of temple judgment to make the MESSIANIC KINGDOM PROCLAMATION in the “second witnessing” future”reports” which will disturb King North in full world government as the “little scroll” finale and total summary of the Rev10:5-7 “sacred secret brought to a finish”.

You don’t need a selfie of me to believe that or spurn it. LOL

It is coming anyways you are the one not getting off easily. You should know all this by now instead of taking the GB nap with JWs, as a ministry we are a sad case to be sure. (Zech3:3) If you want a picture of a “supposed” Jehovah’s witness look in the mirror.

[QUOTE who=”I_know_better_now “]
Or are you really stuck in a cubical with an assigned task? Your task is to instigate JW’s into rebellion. You have just failed in this task. The Kingdom of God is growing every day and getting more powerful despite the opposition. [/QUOTE]

The GB already did all that, JWs are rebels, Isaiah is all about modern JWs with Hosea, Micah and Amos, all about today’s leaven and apostasy laden Jehovah’s witnesses.

I mean you cover for child rapsists with your “older men” do you not?

You are a GLOBALLY KNOWN “non-Kingdom organization” helping the wildbeast with their “public information” spreading are you not?

You say nothing of any post 1990 UN world government and globalization prophecy do you not?

You are the one in the cubicle with an assigned GB task.

Jws themselves are the biggest reproach on Jehovah since sliced moldy bread.

How do you really think Jehovah is going to react to this short list on long sins?

With discipline. (Dan8:13-14) JWs have become hubris spewing fat-headed fools now heading for a fall into Niagara.

Hey, at least I plainly admit the “sins of Israel”.
[QUOTE who=”Jparkh81″]<quoted text>

I understand you are not a JW and I sort of agree with much of what you said here but it didn’t really answer my question of how you view Ecc 9:5
Correct me if I’m wrong. It seems like you would say the dead that don’t know Christ cease to exist and dead that do go to heaven no? JW’s (not that you are one) have a habit of making things complicated on purpose to sound like they are smart but really its just to cover up the fact they really don’t have scriptural basis for what they teach.
as the bible says : write the vision and make it Plain [/QUOTE]

I am Jehovah’s witness, not “a Jehovah’s witness” as far as that lawless religion label because of Matthew 24:15 and that JWs worship the GB modern “man of lawlessness” and are known wildbeast riders as UN NGO.

Thus, the true spiritual condition of that religion is seriously in heavy apostasy and sins, it is what JWs call a “reproach on God’s name” and an aberration such as this should be sending of red flags the size of parachutes.

No, the dead who do not know Christ are generally in the “resurrection of the unrighteous” to learn about him under his Universal Kingdom Rule. I do not by the over simplified church teachings which were what they used the way the GB uses their errors, to enslave their own flock to the tune of 200 trillion dollars now. The JWs have built a 50 billion dollar fortune for the GB pimps and Chase Bank and other banks that hold their money.

THAT is what lies are about, enslave the flock to support Satan’s earthly expenses. JWs and the churches are peas in a pod, the theological disputes and lawlessness repraoches are just to distract people from what is really happening: Satan has these organizations.

The people in them can avail themselves of Revelation 14:6-8 at that time. Neither JWs or church folk can judge anyone, because in Rev14:6-7 ANYONE can be saved.

JWs are churches play the same control and judgment game, but with slightly different rules. The GB is the JW “clergy”.

[QUOTE who=”Newtonian”]<quoted text>

Please avoid the contentious rhetoric and limit your comments to the actual verse (s) in Ezekiel.

Reference Bible Eze 7:22
22 “‘And I shall have to turn away my face from them,+ and they will actually profane my concealed place,* and into it* robbers will really come and profane it.+

See Wt 7/15/72, p. 421.

The Babylonians entered the most holy (of the temple sanctuary) and stole various utensils etc.

From “The Preachers complete homiletical commentary:”

Eze_7:22. “And I turn away my face from them”—from the people of Jerusalem probably, though reference may be to the foreigners, for whose doings He would seem not to care,—“and they profane my secret.” It is unnecessary to supply place to the last word, whose meaning must be that which had been guarded by the Lord as His and fenced against all intruders. Hengstenberg understands it of their treasures, “the means of Israel, which are, as it were, the treasure of the Lord;” but it is, surely, more appropriately to be understood of the Temple with its Holy of Holies: “and” this shall be brought about when “the robbers,” lit. those making breaches, “enter into it”—the city—“and profane it.” The repeated references to the profanation of what had been holy to the Lord signify how completely Israel had been estranged from Him, and how all places, even the holiest, would be open to the unhallowed presence of the ungodly nations.

In the present day application – doesn’t this (apostate Israel) apply to apostate Christendom if not all of Babylon the Great?

What do the nations do to Babylon the Great according to Revelation (e.g. Revelation 17:5 – 18:6) and why?


Well, if you look at our Daniel 11:30b commentary on a verse something like this applied to Christendom:

“He [KN] will lead into apostasy those LEAVING the holy covenant”

Then we have a problem.

In 1919 we declared Christendom had already LEFT the holy covenant, yet in 1958 we said the above while the supposed KN USSR was active.

The problem is “those LEAVING the holy covenant” has to be active with KN’s misleading. Obviously USSR never misled any anointed into apostasy, and thus for many reasons is not KN, but a victim of the globalist KN as spoken in Daniel 11:39.

Thus the apostasy is now in the only place recognized to have had the “holy covenant” since after 1919.

Do you know who that must be?


KN got into the JW ministry by way of the Daniel 11:32a GB. KN is world government in final form its two-horned wildbeast leaders as of now as globalists. This too is covered up by KN GB.


Newton, the nations will be tools of KN World Government, the Scarlet Wildbeast is who will take BTG down but only AFTER it has completed and they ride in to endorse world government in completed form a number of years from now after the “sword stroke” coming up (a final world war) has run its deceptive course as per Rev13:3.

take note, please, that this world war sword-stroke coming up will not result in the end. It will result in world government as per Rev13:3, Rev17:8-12, Rev11:7.

Because the prophecy shows we have a few years left for all this, I know you will have time to come to grips with the reality the whole prophecy now repeats on JWs, and it begins with Dan8:13-14 very soon.

JWs will lose BILLIONS in this process, hence Ezekiel 7:22.
===[QUOTE who=”Newtonian”]

What do the nations do to Babylon the Great according to Revelation (e.g. Revelation 17:5 – 18:6) and why?


This occurs under total 8thKing/KN world government, why?

1. It is God’s judgment; Rev18:8

2. It is a freeing of millions of people (Rev11:13) from BTG to make their final Rev14:6-8 choice.

3. It frees up trillions of dollars for world government operations.

4. Religion will be an unneeded institution as Satan comes to play god and christ the final time, in full Ezekiel 38:7 form.

[QUOTE who=”Jparkh81″]<quoted text>

tormented with fire are the ones that receive the mark of the beat so no correlation to ps115:17.

you failed to address my question of ps115:18. address my question and then I will address yours[/QUOTE]

When you have to resort to non-contextual rigid illogic, “cherry picking”, to support an age old Catholic philosophy which has been exposed as in error by JWs for over a century, others for over 500 years, from a bunch of Papal stake-burning psychos from the Dark Ages you are never going to learn for this cycle, you are done. Best case scenario is you will have to start over if you’re lucky, just speculating.

I cannot rationalize with mindless cherry picked pits, sorry.

[QUOTE who=”florida native”]<quoted text>
So, I want to be clear:
Kingdom Halls are now using three designs in order to make builds faster and more cost efficient but, your mind (influenced by others obviously) goes directly to “it’s better for commercial use”. Obviously nothing I say will change your mind about this so, it really doesn’t even matter.

Actually no one is saying KN infiltrated JWs by use of the GB transformation. I am speaking of a designed corporate takeover whose organizational forensics are 101 level investigative red flags in a unique array, a LARGE one.

JWs ahve easily 30 billion in assets in the org upwards of 50 billion, it is held by banks and brokers not the WTBTS who is twice removed from the holdings. As you know you all just signed away your halls and all your KN savings too boot.

You are seeing:

1. A mass liquidation streamlining to maximize cash assets on the front end.

2. And existing and expansion model designed for quick turnover.

3. A premature “end of the world’ delusion being setup through the GB as a ‘self fulfilling prophecy” to sell the corporate takeover and ensuing prosecutions as if “persecution” in an “it must be the end” cover story.

Use you head man, this is designed for the deconstruction of the WTBTS in a massive global context that as per Revelation 13:3 certainly will appear, for a while, AS IF it really is “the end”.

But it is just the world war “sword stroke” and Daniel 11:41-43 which precedes full 8th King world government global acceptance.

NO ONE on the internet has daignosed this to this level. NO ONE.

Hence, Matthew 24:15 and the UN alliance WTBTS formed in 1991. THAT sin means God will allow this to happen, even require it as per Dan8:13-14.

[QUOTE who=”Jparkh81″]<quoted text>
Just answer the question. If Jesus is NOT Your Mediator, How Can you Pray in HIS Name?


Well he is my mediator, but most JWs are not in that covenant, they pray by virtue of his sacrifice which I do to, but his blood ratified the new covenant, it finished off a few of the former ones as Christ recieved all rights and benefits to the Mosaic, and becomes Greater Isaac for the Abrahamic covenant.

See, JWs explained those covenant meanings and framework much better than Christendom’s thousand versions.

That is why JWs [are supposed] to know the sacrifice and the covenant are two different things, Christ is saving a world most of which is NOT in any covenant with God or him, they are to be covered by atonement sacrifice.

You are comparing eggs and oranges. Your lack of understanding the exact purpose of the covenants and not being able to distinguish them from the blood sacrifice meaning and broader scope is why.

[QUOTE who=”Jparkh81″]<quoted text>

Where does the bible say Jehovah/Jesus only made a covenant with a few? i assume the 144k. You guys love to read crap into scripture that simply is NOT there. [/QUOTE]

You have no proof it is not there. See, the churches sell heaven to get into your pockets for the “keep up with the Jones’s” type of competitive Christian. They just want to “got to heaven’ because:

1. It sure beats an eternity frying on a spit in hell-fire;

2. Everyone else is going;

3. It is the main product the churches are selling for mucho profit;

Now are those really good reasons to “go to heaven”?

And that is your proof?

back to the drawing board bud.

[QUOTE who=”Jparkh81″]<quoted text>

Jesus said the Gates of Hell will not Prevail against the church. If you are all that’s left of the church in what way are you storming the gates of hell?[/QUOTE]

Even non-Christian religions have God’s “my people” in them. So, apostasy is normal in the religious lifecyle, it happened to Israel, it happened to Christendom and now it happens to JWs.

Apostasy forms a wake up call judgment requirement with the goal of getting believers back on track such as 70 CE in Jerusalem and 1919 in Christendom; now a judgment so enormous will fall on JWs, who though being a relatively small group are so high profile the message will get through to the whole religious community of Babylon the Great which JWs have rejoined as UN supporters.

Daniel 8:13-14 is what is coming on JW Org, as the modern judgments start with a timed prophecy so doubters can catch on faster. It will repeat the same Revelation patterns JWs made known since 1914 onward, but this time instead of the Christendom apostasy being exposed, the JW apostasy is exposed and removed for the final warning.

The JWs who can be recovered will be recovered as the global context will be the Rev13:3 “sword stroke” which will topple a portion of America and the EU central Daniel 11:41-43 King South system, the nation-state system will pass into King North world government in eventually complete form which triggers the Christ arrival; (Rev17:8-14) And the downfall of global religions.

Thus it is the final prophetic cycle to precede Christ arrival and JWs will be “getting up” (Rev9; Rev11:1; Eze37) just in time to give the final warning (Rev10:11; Rev11:3) as this rounds out the then last 15 years from JW Org downfall to Christ arrival in global “sheep sweep” mode; then he will wipe out his sovereign rival and the goats.

So, it is not for no reason JWs have gone south in apostasy.

[QUOTE who=”Jparkh81″]<quoted text>

There’s something very wrong when you think you are the only one in the entire world that is right. That is the epitome of pride and arrogance. Those are two things that God detests. So I believe it is you who is not quite square with God.[/QUOTE]

When that is the motive that is true. This is a special case in which JWs will need this outline after they crash. It is what it is, you don’t have to believe it, the choice is your’s not mine.

Its a “special case scenario”. It is for Jehovah’s witnesses now in the foretold apostasy of Daniel 11:30b-32a.

So, it will all come true not from me, but from that prophecy and Daniel 8:11-14, Revelation 8:1-8, Zechariah 3:1-5, Malachi 3:1-5, 1Peter4:17.

You just happened upon it. You can later determine for yourself the reason because the JW downfall results in the FINAL salvation call of all who can be reached, and the rest, all mankind to be “reached” by the angels of Christ when Matthew 24:29-31 and Revelation 14:6-8 converge in this here “space/time continuum” and play out here on Earth.

It is NOT that none of this is true, it is that YOU cannot suspend your doubt. It controls you.

Well I can’t get into the politics they just use it as a distraction of the masses. But the mechanics of the World Bank are pretty well known for their sphere of wealth-predation they call “economic aid”.

Whatever fits the needed spin or landfall is what they will do in their plan. Israel’s nationhood will be timed so as to highlight the UN World Government at the fulfiller of isaiah. But, of course, it will be a 666 selling lie.

This system is nation-state King South based and will topple into the net of globalism based King North world government as per Daniel 11:42-45. God’s prophecy is exact in its forecast. We have a world war they will sell as if the end, as if “slaughtered to death” but it will just be 7th King King South required fall, then world government will arise as in Rev11:7, Rev17:8-11 just as it did after WW2, but only in “image of the wildbeast” form.

This time it will be full blown world government and that will spark the Lion which is Christ. He just awaits them to be ready and to cross that now well warned of line in the sand, but a final warning will leave it all beyond question for King North.
[QUOTE who=”GreatSouthbay4040″]<quoted text> Im sure you are well aware that as for as long as you have shown up in this forum that i don’t agree with any of your take on things spiritually speaking, anyway……Please don’t take offense. But, that is my view. I leave it to God to prophecy as outlined in the scriptures.

Nevertheless….What is your opinion on Russia and China? Do you believe they will form all alliance to be king of the North.


There is sufficient time to ensure the “great crowd” and the last of the others are secured. But, there is not much time. As it approaches in total prophecy indications God will get clearer and clearer. And although he can do anything, he uses limited men so the final salvo is like the initial one, 1260 days of “disturbing reports”.

As per Revelation 13:15-18, in only preparatory form the 666 boys will want to kill ANYONE not receiving the mark in very general terms. Thus, God can assess those who FIGHT the mark as saveable in light of Romans 2.

Plus, God already bought this world by Christ blood and body. So, those are baseline reasons, as with Job, God can assess the basic of what a person is about, and if they even try to do good a little he can save them.

But for those with eyes wide open, there is more to it, but in any event a huge “great crowd’ will be rescued from the 666 World Government boys because after this world war they will assume very dangerous levels of global power and when Christ arrives he has to have arrived or else. (Matt24:21-22)

In the meantime we have many examples of “worldy men” who made the right decisions, men who stuck with David, world rulers Solomon dealt with, Job, and even Saul and Esther’s worldly context to show there are ignorant, but well-meaning men and women out there who one simple act of love will save them, REGARDLESS of their former religions or lack thereof. (Matt25:31-40)

God will soon really “rock the nations” to wake up the least likely sheep-to-be. (Hag2:7)

What we have is very simple.

1. Man sinned with a demonic usurpation and went under curse;

2. As per the post-flood TEMPORARY permission of this rebellion the nations are permitted in Genesis 10’s very existence and Romans 13 of ruling over themselves in this nation based manner for a determined time period;

(When they did try a first world government under Nimrod in Genesis 11 God disrupted the project)

3. God has NOT approved of World Government except under Jesus Christ is 100% perfect superhuman form.

God is allowing world government 8th King/King North to complete, state sovereign intent (1Thess5:1-3), and exist for the symbolic “one hour” of Rev17:12.

THEN he will express the final disapproval; (Zeph3:8-9)

And in this process Daniel and Revelation have provided a prophecy-to-history outline of the entire development since after the flood and Genesis10-11.
[QUOTE who=”El Cacique-GSB”]<quoted text> There was no chance of any African union. It borders on beimg woefully naive for anyone to believe there was a realistic chance of that happening..

The first point I will cover is the real reason Libya needed to be tenderized before staging for Iran, it’s position on the Mediterranean Sea as positioned in relation to the Levant where they are wrapping up Syria as we speak. Egypt’s lil’ development preceded Libya as Iraq led to Syria exacerbated by the new threat “ISIS” in the post Libyan engineered mini-chaos.

The geo position is part of the sealing off of the Iran supply chain from the Mediterranean Sea. The bigger bricks in that wall like Turkey will be taken in too, in time. The Libyans also had tons of gold and other pillagable hard assets, but they want the corridor in that sector to Iran locked up. As you can see Iraq and Afghanistan “sandwich” Iran in a “crossfire” in a designed manner which began with GWOT under various “security” pretexts.

In the meantime, as in Mexico in a far different operation among the cartel satellite groups, they destabilize, let the big dog ascend to control, then leash him on the NATO, GCC, US military chain to help fund the war ops.

Imo (a speculation), Iran is a hinge-pin in some manner to drag the pre-positioned Russia into the war, then China, etc. Though this is a tangent: the Trump+Russia media-play we are seeing well and deeply ironed into the public mind is a setup to smokescreen this next world war’s true orchestraters and purpose. In this setup, in the US mindset, Trump is the guy to blame for the coming mega-catastrophic global-dive, dead or alive; and the Russian ties weaved in this media-mess will then become easily connectible to a new event (like a NY nuke), in time, and the whole world war will already be setup, already have the key distraction, and it can proceed as planned with nary a clue in the public mind this is planned and also foretold in prophecy of Revelation 13:3.

(The GB will tell JWs it is Daniel 11:44 with Russia as the deceptive KN decoy, but it will be Daniel 11:40-43 in reality wherein KN is Globalism based world government’s final phase to completion)

The main purpose is to create the global “sword stroke” “problem” chaos period we will be going into, called in prophecy the “tribulation of those days”, 100s of times worse than 2008 financially speaking. (Dan11:42-43) That “problem” resolves as per Revelation 13:3 for the “global solution”, with much global-admiration, of 8th King King North world government. 7th King/King South falls to usher in King North 8th King World Government as the “savior rescuer” of the world.

They used this formula 3 times (WW1, WW2, Cold WW3), and the last 3 involved heavy counter-balancing with the US vs. Russia dimension.

Libya is just part of the “risk management” insurance to seal up the Mediterranean for NATO-GCC total control for also later stages in the world war development, not just Iran.

If not for the lobotomy of general society (and JWs) these globalist KN-guys are easy to reverse engineer in general terms as they set up the generic “fall guy” in the “divide and conquer” US King South social mentality first.

The setup is easy to see, the “news” is all a “Trump Roast” non-stop is it not?:

1. Blame Trump for everything bad that eventually occurs (Dan8:25a) and it matter not if he is dead or alive to do so; the whole anti-Trump delusion will divert all attention from the 8th King King North Globalists who have orchestrated this whole thing, to the “Pinko” Trump Crew. As long as everyone blames Trump, the real culprits operate unimpeded: as usual.

2. Then, at the same time (as we see}, blame Russia to head into the final WW-“sword stroke” with the US-pop on mental auto-pilot as programmed to look at the waving right hand while the left hand of King North crashes the world into the “tribulation of those days” (to recover into world government; Rev13:3; Isa41:1) and pickpockets the JW Org to the tune of 30 billion dollars all for King North’s world government party.

3. Blame JWs because they are now stalling general global awareness for King North and are now part of the problem of social mental programming to promote the premature “it’s the end of the world” general doomsday attitude for the precursor of Rev13:3.(Islam is to be part of this general “turn on religion” but JWs will go down in the JW Org portion first well before Islam as department 1 of BTG under world government.

4. Then in the general sense the national government can be blamed and replaced by an array of super quantum droid based AI driven “national government” as they must also put the US Government “in its place” as King South under King North as Daniel 11:42-43, as it STARTS of JWs in Daniel 11″41’s parallel of 1Peter 4:17.

JWs should be saying all this but like their big harlot sister churches they have devolved into sleepwalkers and all-talkers who keep mum on all this latest prophecy connection.

The two main misinterpretations affecting JWs and others will be:

1. The possible “peace and security” will be a fake, the real one is under complete world government. That “world peace” mantra global-recovery is the “freedom from care” of Daniel 8:25.

2. The “tribulation of those days” runs its full course BEFORE Christ arrives (as plainly stated at Matt24:29) because the totd resolves into world government first, it’s lights out for the US “old world order”.

3. BTG cannot “go down first”, it rides the “scarlet wild beast” totality as world government into and through its completion as the main cheerleader for the wild beast.

The “seven trumpets” are all late 6th trumpet Rev14:6-7 open for salvation, they are NOT trumpets of doom, but alarm signals for salvation! It ALL repeats. Daniel 11:41-43 kicks it off as Daniel 8:13-14 tramples the JW org for proof of the Org’s UN NGO “transgression causing desolation” to the JW ministry, temporarily, prior to temple cleansing, recovery and final warning.

We are getting closer, more Trump setups must proceed to warm up.
[QUOTE who=”Jparkh81″]<quoted text>

You mean like how you go on about how the woman in Genesis 3 is some group of loyal Spirit creatures. The only other reference to such a group we are specifically told is an allegory but you want to pretend that it’s a literal. Paul flat out says the Jerusalem above is allegorical. You haven’t proved a single thing. I just base my beliefs on what the Bible does say not what it doesn’t.[/QUOTE]

You are looking for a one dot comic book explanation without investing any time into understanding the basic of Bible symbols or simple humans. It does get more complex but it begins with basic symbology all humans understand.

But you won’t even get on square one, you want the Bible to speak out and explain itself to you with zero effort. If people thought the churches are lazy they are correct.

You gotta put in the time and be on the right first square to begin with. You have only defeated yourself and you are the ones like the Pharisees whose ego controls the outcome where eventually God just cannot work with a lack of humility at 0%.

The Pharisees, the ones who could never “see it” or accept it, were 100% ego driven dust.

[QUOTE who=”GreatSouthbay4040″]<quoted text> I will get back to this. But, its very interesting how Syria will play out since Russia fully backs Syria. When Trump bombed Syria so as to avenge for the victims of the chemical attack. Putin well knew in advance. I believe it wss to show ‘force’and to divert from.his domestic issues back here with his fsmily’s questionable dealings.

If Assad is shown the door or worse? Syris will likely be divided. One side for us and one side for Russia. Putin is desperate to have a stake in the region even with Syrias fairly small portion of sea.

Assad has sure hung in there. Gotta give him credit. He did not bounce.


In reality, imo and others, US and Russia have diametric goals in Syria, but it is sold to the masses as if a concerted effort. If Iraq can be used as a clue, and Libya for example, the US goal has been destabilization of the region with Saudi set as the “Gulf Cooperation Council” counter-power to put in control under that pyramid.

Thus Syria is better destabilized for the NATO agenda just as was Iraq. When it gets more serious with Iran the same crux will be present. But the KN goal, that is globalism power, the entire oil region must go into total globalist Anglo control. But without actual data on projected total war needs, like they have, we can only guess.

But we know they will be overcome and it looks like Islam is the first BTG department set for destruction. The need for propping up the “Christian Crusade” and its Israel Gem as the big winners is for the highlighting of world government and the destruction o Islam is Israel’s bad guy so they will most likely be toast and an early expendable BTG arm to start off the festivities.

Christendom and Israel have to be saved until after world government has been endorsed by them, they are needed for that sales job, but after that is done, the rest of BTG will be slated for removal as all symbolic entities of the vision will be in completed form, including that final freeloading ride of religions on the wildbeast’s back.

But none of that is an overnight affair, the world war alone takes a few years and its intent is to create a severe global problem for which world government is the solution. For the masses, the more they imagine it is the end of the world, “as if slaughtered to death”, the easier they will be to control. But as per Revelation 13:3 it is just a world war final global cycle that resolvein the 1Thess5:1-3 “world peace” to highlight world government as the big savior.

The period after world government’s big “peace and security” smokescreen, actually defined by their 100% control fo the global weapons system, will be far more dangerous; THAT is the “four winds” period, under complete world government and that danger zone is why Christ will then arrive. And because this takes years and steps in phases known in prophecy, the final warning will be backed by in-the-face prophecy for a number of years prior to even world government completion.

[QUOTE who=”GreatSouthbay4040″]<quoted text> The whole region was destabilized. That was the plan. A lot of shadowy goings on.

Did you know that Israelis are in the business of selling weaponry to rogue nations?

And just who funds ISIS?………Nobody seems to know.


Iran and Saudia Arabia are the only major MidEast countries who have largely been untouched.

Obama made a big mistake by pulling out of Iraq.

Seems that way. the Iraq pullout is to let the mud settle and the fish in the pond fight it out. Then they will come back in. It is a technique to save money by pounding the place to a pulp, then let the local gangs and Iraq police battle it out for a while. Whoever is left standing is then all worn out and easy to tether.

But that worthless stuff on the street would be like the battle for Tijuana. It is all TV filler, in the background they raid stashes of the rich for gold and other portable assets and secure the estates while everyone else watches them battle it out for worthless rubble. They loot the place in like 3 months then just continue the human sacrifice in the TV show zones for a distraction.

Before they invade in the TV layer, they already know where all the gold and cash, etc, is and they do special ops with no cameras for the real hauls. Aghanistan is funding source, its opium went up to 400 hectares while they are supposedly fighting a war with the US. In reality they come into the opium industry with state of the art horticulture and landscape architectures and septuple production in a decade.

Same with Iraq oil, it goes under special ops and private security protection and increases in production after the first year of slowdown. Now HOW can Afghanistan and Iraq both fight the US yet increase oil and opium production? The US helps that is how, and they do the street battles footage as the distraction. They fund the wars this way and use the Military Air Transportation System and sea+ground logistics to smuggle the heroine hither and thither.

The Oliver North op was one that used cocaine as Gary Webb exposed in the Sun Mercury Times in the 80s before he suffered one of them two-bullets-in-the-head “suicides”. These same guys newer generation run all the coke, meth, narcs and designer drugs all over the world, especially in the US to keep that section of the masses embroiled in crime, lethargy, stupor, theft and murder as the use the US government “social aid” and internment systems as the money laundering engine of taxpayer dollars and more “loans” which flows unseen because most people do not reverse engineer how the “war on drugs” generates huge black op profits.

It is demonic genius at the core and they and Daniel 8:25a “masters of deception” are very good at these kinds of intelligent designs of various social systems which people take for granted as just the way it is. In the US, for example, they have diverted 200 trillion in assets, hard productivity, since 1770s. All the US Government has to show for it is 20 trillion IN DEBT. And we may be talking more like 400 trillion in 200 years.

THAT is the genius of the scam Satan runs to keep his machine running and his slaves rich at the top .0001 percentile, crazy “rich” in hard wealth, well beyond requirements. It is all called “overkill”, that is just the way Satan likes to run it.

But they will be gone soon enough. It will recover very fast once they are gone, until they are gone nothing will change, only get worse even if it seems to heal as per Revelation 13:3, it only “heals” for some.
[QUOTE who=”Jparkh81″]<quoted text>

You think your such a master of symbolism but can’t see it when the author tells you it’s symbolic. There is a little thing called “original intent” when interpreting the bible. That means you try to figure out what the author was originally trying to convey by reading it all in context. The whole book is essentially about being free from the law/old covenant.

Gal 4
24 which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants:

lol he even says what they symbolize.

Hagar represents the old covenant law of Moses “and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is”

26 but the Jerusalem above is free – represents the new covenant. This why you MUST be born again to be saved. If you are not born again into the new family/covenant you are still a child of Hagar under the bondage of the law.

But you want to read a bunch of cryptic nonsense into that even when the author explains what he meant. lol

If not going beyond what is written, or adding to or taking away from the scriptures is being lazy to you then I guess I’m happy to be lazy. [/QUOTE]

It is Jerusalem. But the one ABOVE, Heavenly Jerusalem.

The symbolism is that it is a parallel to the new covenent which grants former sinful human access to the city. It must be very real, for it conquers this world by force when world government completes and it is to rule Earth and save and restore all life therein.

All those things are spoken of directly in the Bible. Isaiah 54 is about the Bride of Christ which Paul was not contradicting. He was just furnishing a riddle which takes a little deeper investigation to see to understand Isaiah 54 is about Christ’s bride.

Whereas Sarah had the husbandly owner and was also barren, the Bride of Christ has no husbandly owner yet, and is also barren.

She is a totally new “woman”, composed of former sinners to take on her husbandly owner at the marriage o the lamb when she will bear BILLIONS of human beings, more so than the woman, God’s woman, who bore 144000.

There is no “reading in” to these things, but it does require the exercise of logic and deeper investigation. Even JWs try to apply Isaiah 54 to Sarah, even they did not catch on to the riddle:

1. Sarah, husbandly owner, barren,

2. Isaiah 54 “woman” (Bride of Christ), no husbandly owner yet, barren.

See that key difference? And it cannot be Hagar, for she was not barren.

God provides the sum total solution summary to his prophecy. (Rev10:5-7) It is not yet time to go global with it, but it is coming after JWs go through Daniel 8:13-14, Rev8:1-8; Zech3:1-8, Mal3:1-5, 1Pet4:17.

You will see JWs experience that temple judgment. Soon.

One child would not stop playing with the snake though it was dead. Fixated with the flacid serpent he kept poking at it with a stick to try to get a reaction. Persistently the little cuss poked away….when suddenly, like lightning, the reptile snap-twitched a gaping mouth strike at the juvenile dragon killer! But, it was only nerves and our inveterate anti-reptilian junior hyped by the snake’s nerves, well his pokes became rabid barrages of snake bouncing beatings until the dead snake was a deader snake. Now the kid’s stick pokes became intermittent with a pause of strained focus snake-nerve respect lest one get fang snagged by not gauging a possible snake nerve snap.

Bored, Mad Jr. draped the snake over the end of the stick with a quick dipping serpent scoop from the pavement as he showed it to little Suzie in a last attention grabbing dangle, then he stuck the dead rattler up in Mrs. RedMudRelative’s mailbox.
[QUOTE who=”Jparkh81″]<quoted text>
blooming no brainers like Christmas, worshiping Jesus, Jesus is not Michael,? all the stuff they taught before you say they went apostate? or blood transfusion are ok then they’re not then they’re ok again?

the very concept of new light destroys everything you just said and you can’t even see it. if truth is progressive then everything you think is true today could be false tomorrow. [/QUOTE]

All human systems of thought and information has “new light” as former theories and laws change, as in physics, aerospace, chemistry and computer science as a few examples of fields which are dynamically improving over time.

But, unlike Christendom those fields keep testing truth to see if it is real and they keep advancing in improvement. Everything about man, except for those like Christendom who already think they are already perfect, are striving for perfection.

Jehovah’s witnesses are no different in both ways, the [used to be] improving all the time, but when their own Perfect Club took control in the GB, now they too, devolved, like the churches onlt gettign better at doing bad things, covering up prophecy and lying to cover up lawlessness at global scale and publicly known form.

But the churches are done, science and Jehovah’s witnesses are not, JWs can be judged and set back on track and in time their path will lead to the King of kings who from God KNOWS all sciences inside and out and their eternal futures as Jehovah guides it all into continued perfection and re-perfecting out of today’s human festival of error under Satan.

Daniel 8:13-14

You are just knocking JWs who in some regards deserve it, but not to better them, but to excuse yourself from your own judgment with an excuse that never will work as JWs already explained why it’ll never work. That is why they should also know better and will be judged severely, they are blind witnesses to their own apostate condition. (Zech3:3)

[QUOTE who=”Honey Bee”]<quoted text>

Knowledge of how to put it all together to form the song that all people could enjoy.


Is easier said than done. It is why bands have musical careers of 30 years and longer and can only nail, if they are good, 4 or 5 songs that transcend their peers as judged by music sales, as an example.

Songs that are enjoyed are a preference which people exercise in various ways. But I am talking certain songs which have a noticeable huger appeal as can only be gauged by sales and word of mouth.

Those songs are few and far between for any artist. The source of them can be inspirational and even aided by the unseen. We cannot know which songs are aided by angels or demons.

But in Red Hot Chilli Peppers One Hot Minute CD cover, that is exactly what they are implying:


And that was the final song source I was getting at. David was aided by God through angels in his composition’s lyrics, they are inspired.

Satan does the same thing with much of today’s music regardless of genre. But, so can God.

[QUOTE who=”Jparkh81″]has the GB ever published something in which they where not absolutely sure at the time that it was absolute truth?[/QUOTE]

The GB is new, EVERYTHING they now publish after Fred Franz died is guesswork and plagiarized from the lead brothers who did guide the ministry in Russell, Rutherford, Knorr and Fred Franz.

When the GB Korah seized the org, obviously the “new lights” went OUT as in the ten virgins lamp going out, loss of oil.

The GB did NOTHING for this ministry, the 1914-1969 JW adcancements was by God, Russell, Rutheford, Knorr and Fred Franz, not a “bored of directors”.

The GB is only temporary, nor are their Papal claims they have been there since Jerusalem’s time true, just as the Pope’s are lies too. (Rev2:2)

The “fruitage” of the GB proves they are Satanic and gloryhound liars.

They are not “10 Fred Franzs”, let us put it that way, they are not even 1. FAKES of Daniel 11:32a, UN NGO cohorts too boot.

Daniel 8:13-14 will now come on JW Org. (Zech3:1-5; Rev8:1-8)

JWs have gone off course and downhill ever since the GB took control.

[QUOTE who=”HopeReigns”]<quoted text>

Who exactly are you following?
Russell, Rutherford, Knorr and Fred Franz? They had the “truth”? If so, why aren’t you following what Russell and Rutherford published as truth?

You can’t say with certainty that the “new light” added and brightened past teachings. Those teachings were dropped to never see the “light” of day.[/QUOTE]

JWs have a GB error of the signal “man of lawlessness” in FINAL form prior to termination. That is actually good news as bad as it is, we are at the final Rev8-11 prophecy cycle to lead through a global sword stroke into 8th King world government which the final warning (Rev10:11) will emerge into from “trampled” JWs of Daniel 8:13-14.

But, other than the GB stall on prophecy and its Daniel 8:12b COVER UP as UN NGO wildbeast advocates, as “non-kingdom” “organization” only Daniel 4 has a minor error, Daniel 11:27-45 has a major error as does Daniel 8:11-14. One is from Russell era, the other Fred Franz and they are a time/event error and an innocent mistake due to trying to interpret a prophecy that had not yet fulfilled in the case of Daniel 8 and 11.

To me Luther had things to say that were truth in exposing the Catholic church as well as Arius and all them guys in Ellen White’s book “The Great Controversy”. This is a team effort with God and Christ in the lead based on FAITH not the religious label you worship as a typical hypocrite while you Tango with Beelzebub in your own horrid “organization” called Hissendon.

But prior to 1919 God was using Christendom for the aforementioned truth tellers and to pass out Bibles worldwide.

This is a somewhat tricky story and you need to pay attention to ALL the details of the journey of the faith in Satan’s world, but you took a wrong turn at birth.

===[QUOTE who=”Jparkh81″]<quoted text>

But they taught a lot of things that you would now consider heresy in that time frame. So at what point in that time frame was the organization in “the truth” according to you? [/QUOTE]

There is one “heresy”: Catholic Papalism

Now it is so effective you consider those leaven teachings as “the truth” and “Christianity”. Well, up to 300 AD even the Catholic Church was “God’s Organization”.


It went bad as can any organization God is USING, he is not endorsing any of them, they all endorse themselves.


[QUOTE who=”Jparkh81″]<quoted text>

Like I said any time I insulted you it was in response to you insulting me so if you can’t take it dont dish it.

I was not considering converting but the bible says to inspect all things to see if they are true right? so if someone were able to show me in the bible that the JW’s beliefs actually are true, I would have no choice but to convert if my loyalty is to the truth and not a religion.

Now let me ask you something… If Charles Russell was not only saved but the chosen elite, while being in total darkness on big issues such as Jesus being Michael, the worship of Jesus, celebrating Christmas, the return of Jesus, who the faithful slave was, ect… doesn’t that make what you call the truth today pretty worthless?

I mean if Charles can be saved while being in total darkness without the truth why can’t anyone else?
What does any of it matter? [/QUOTE]

I don’t get emotional, I like discussion and even with friends sometimes names get called, but its just for effect.

What has happened is if Russell cannot be saved then who can? The simplicity of the truth is all are saved, the thing is getting with the program can mean SURVIVAL TOO.

But even if someone is saved it is going to take effort to obey God, because eventually perfect obedience is what it takes to stay around forever.

Revelation 14:6-8 will become THE MOST IMPORTANT SCRIPTURE of the final warning, because very simply ANYONE, ANYONE who responds favorably to that offer will be saved.

The JW controversy and the JW vs. Church thing is just a NEEDLESS distraction. But, instead of saying what I just said above their demented power hungry GB instead protects rapists, sojourns with the UN rival kingdom, and is in TOTAL CURSED BLACKOUT.

If they were not, they would say what Revelation 14:6-7 states. But, they are cursed devils foretold in Daniel 11:32a, 8:12 and Daniel 8:13-14 will come and Isaiah 66:6 on them.

Once the GB is removed everything I said above will become the peace message of Jehovah’s witnesses who can repent, admit it, disclose it all to the whole world with an apology, then anyone who can also lay down the religious sword can join the final warning from wherever they want, for they will meet Christ and he don’t care if you are at home, under a bridge, in the wilderness or at a place of worship, he looks at the HEART.

Eventually you will see I am not making this up, and the purpose is so people can make their own pressure free choice between them, Christ and God.

Dark days are coming on the wicked JW Org, it is timed for future proof as Daniel 8:13-14. The judgment of Jehovah’s witnesses, for cleansing and recovery, is long time coming, but it WILL come.

We all have time to put it all together as the world goes into a megacrash (Dan11:42-43; Isa41:1) and a world war (Rev13:3) that will NOT result in the end, but in world government which rival “8th King” entity WILL trigger the arrival of Christ.

JWs at this time are mum on all these last requirements, and because the GB is bade to the snake bone. BAD BAD BAD

They fool JWs by parroting old material and suits and ties.
If Jehovah’s witnesses having lunch at a local restaurant because the GB no longer feeds JWs at a convention, to rather, add to the 30 billion milked thus far, haunt the poor Applebee’s waitress with tales of an “the end is near” tip, rather than clearly showing how it arrives in like 17 years with napkins and straws and Daniel Revelation, then JWs have already given up.

The end is not near, we got 15 years at the minimum from the time the GB implode the JW Org soon (Daniel 8:13-14; Rev8:1-8). That coming global crisis context JWs will sell as the end, those events the GB will sell as Daniel 11:44 way too premature, but it is just Daniel 11:41-43, en route through a final world war “sword stroke”, to world government. (Rev13:3)

World government triggers Christ arrival.

You can see this will take a little time, but it is all CLEARLY outlined in the very prophecy JWs now ignore, silence, fell-asleep-on, and discredit by mass lawless GB glory hound reproaches.

Heck, JWs even ride the UN NGO “mini-beast” and think nothing of it. THAT is a give up folks. (Matt24:15) JWs want a trophy cake in the case, yet eat it too.

[QUOTE who=”Newtonian”]The urgency of the times is likely why Revelation 12:12 is the first Scripture on our program. (After Galatians 6:9 – convention theme Scripture)


They wouldn’t have a theme like “hang in there baby” if JWs were not dropping like flies. JWs are burning out mostly due to direct or subconscious perception the GB are lawless frauds not far from the fist of God. THAT is what is close with urgency.

This kind of thinking works against Matthew 24:13 ENDURANCE.

The reality is JWs need to start saying something relevant after WW2. JWs are being treated like the attractive “new girl on the street”, pampered with gifts, scoped by the wildbeast all hours of the day, to make sure they stay in bed with the wildbeast and especially keep saying nothing about modern prophecy.

Even so, JW Org, no in heavy sins, is targeted for first removal. But as bad as this will be, the ministry will Rev9 Eze37 pop back from the trampling of Daniel 8:13-14 and so will emerge the Revelation 10:5-11 final warning.

Get it through your thivk heads JWs, the GB is not sacred nor in approval. Time to pay the piper and we can bet our hypocrite butt it will require endurance!


[QUOTE who=”Spike”]<quoted text>

Do you eat a lot of microwaved food? [/QUOTE]

The colorful bait floated by that old steelhead in the crick, but he wouldn’t budge. Then came the spinner, spoon, fly and jig, but the big steely just sat there like a bump on a log. The snag line was set out next, but the old steely darted off to the fisherman’s “GOD DAMNIT!!!” teethgrinder and the dumb silverdollar sized bluegills would have to suffice this day.

Which is usually the case at Topix Creek.

[QUOTE who=”RedhorseWoman”]Do not give up. Just curious…was this convention more of a “carrot” type or a “stick” type? I’m getting the impression from the posts that were mainly focused on the convention program itself that the agenda tended towards “stick” rather than “carrot.”

I guess the GB has noticed that JWs have been slacking off somewhat and getting discouraged so they built the program around guilting the recalcitrant into getting out there and working harder because “the time is so short”?

Anybody care to clarify?[/QUOTE]

It is a “damage control” under current present since 2011. The nature of what I have gathered is statements such as “the spiritual food in the Insight book is sufficient” so as not to have to [complain] about the sparse and stale “rations” being served at Bethel’s barren cafeteria.

So what I think is some JWs are noticing the whole GB crew is but an act spewing out content no more thought out than a text mill on-line using “research” from re-written Franz era articles, cannibalized and sold off to JWs as “spiritual food” so they will not notice it takes TWENTY GB “helpers” or text doctoring aids to “knock out” this plagiarized perfectly mixed propaganda to support the “self fulfilling prophecy” the “time of trouble” coming up cannot be the final prophetic “sword stroke” required to “heal” into full 8th King King North WORLD GOVERNMENT, but INSTEAD it must just be the end of it all!

The “END OF EVERYTHING” is a great cover story to cover the JW Org dissolution by its own and others’ hand, it is a pretext in which they can sweep the org away, sell it to JWs as a “the end”, little more than a grand engineered HOAX, and then let ruined JWs pick up the few remaining pieces left from the liquidations on their own.

What it will be is the end of the GB apostasy, NOT “the end of the world”.

And for proof Daniel 8:13-14 events, phasing and timing will unfold on the JW Org as the global bullseye of the Revelation 8 “earth” of a global JW communal system about to be Daniel 11:41 invaded, and Daniel 8:13 “trampled” for many globally seen public sins and UN NGO.

As a proof you can test soon, the GB will try to sell that all off to JWs as Daniel 11:44 with Russia as the new DECOY King North. But, IN REALITY, it will be Daniel 11:41-43 global context of the sword stroke of Revelation 13:3 prior to 8th King World Government and Daniel 8:13-14 will be the timed desolating temple judgment of Jehovah’s witnesses.

The GB deception is falling apart at the seams now. These conventions are just to stay over JWs into the play with much damage control propaganda and “the end of the world” baseless banter for the fear and control effect to herd JWs to “Bunkers of Incarceration” for FEMA and other natioal martial control systems worldwide.

It is what it is. (Dan11:32-35)

People do not get along here, or in families, governments, schools or churches. Since the sin, it is supposed to be this way to keep man slowed down and the place divided.

As Christ said, for his part, he came to “cause division”. Since man is sinful in a condemned Adamic DNA too boot, Christ divides because the only unity man could achieve is in Satan. So Christ “breaks up the works of the Devil” because in every nation, church, school family, government, group and organization Satan is in the woodwork, sweating from the floors and walls, preparing a formula of assimilation.

Keeping people divided limits the depth Satan can penetrate society and the spread of his underlying fabric. It is delayed to meet God appointments, not Satan’s. The more everyone fights, the more they play into God’s strategy to aid social decelarative impotence, to keep things in mystical confusion, constant frustration and GOING NOWHERE FAST.

But inspite of all this, eventually Satan will get enough control to make the summoning of Christ a requirement, or else, you know, all life on earth would be exterminated. (Matt24:21-22)

Hab 2:13:

Behold, is it not from the LORD of hosts that peoples labor merely for fire, and nations weary themselves for nothing?

Thank you for your lack of COoperation in this matter.

When Daniel 8:13-14 comes on the temple, Jehovah pouts the WHOLE temple in the Divine Microwave FIRES and sets it for 3.19 years.

Things not supposed to be in the temple are fried out. (Zech3:2; Rev8:1-8)

Thus “Temple Microwave” means the “Temple Cleansing” and that from God, so that Jehovah’s witnesses can get back to the “right condition” by means of Daniel 8:13-14 temple judgment coming soon on the lawless apostate JW so-called “organization”.

The GB will be fried from the temple. (Isa66:6) and so will their little KN helpers. (Dan11:32a; Dan8:12)
Jparkh81 wrote:
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You have NO truth and can Not have any truth because to you the Truth constantly changes. You can’t admit that but deep down you know that it is true.
So the truth is men have been flying planes around since Newton saw an apple fall from a tree?

No, it took greater understanding of aerodynamics progressively improved to even wind up with the Wright Brothers on that first stretch of “runway” for some manned air flight.

And everyone has been burning the frets like Eddie Van Halen since the days of David and Chet Atkins? No, it was a progression of technique, musical application and increased speed which has produced the Bucketheads of today.

And since 1940s when there was one computer and one programmer named a Alan Turing, these machines were instantly seen as possible artificial human-like nueral network capable? No, the processor began to be optimized by the aid of the C programming language in particular which opened the door for the programmers who built the stuff Bill Gates bought and improved over years of hardware time lags 2 decades before all this global communications at your fingertips.

Same with the Bible. The Apostle John understood it all after penning the last chapter of Revelation? Nope, then was set forth the word of God by the prophets which knights, vagabonds, ladies, kings and children read with interest to try to understand the riddles and prophecies of God Almighty.

And in time, God opened understanding ONE STEP AT A TIME, so that by the time of the Reformation and all those brothers ideas, including Mister falling apple Isaac Newton himself, a man like Charles Russell aided by his teachers of the past, and his teacher God in that present, could start to compare square pegs hammered into round holes and lay out the foundational clarification, the “baby food”, which led the way to Rutherford and Fred Franz even being able to go a step further.

Without the then crystal clearly shining light of God Almighty as sovereign, and the kingly role of the Son, Jesus Christ, in subservient position albeit the highest of all CREATION, God would never back creature worshipers trying to make Christ an idol–hence the darkness of the churches, only good for passing Bibles out. The sacrifice, the covenants, the purpose of God was made known by Jehovah’s witnesses in clear as day TRUTH.

Without the GUARANTEED sovereign intent for a global government in God’s Kingdom “setting up” the Messianic Kingdom agency (Rev10:5-7; Dan2:31-45) for the takeover by force and salvation of planet Earth, then churches could have the cake in preaching God’s Kingdom ostensibly, while since 1921 actually endorsing the wildbeast UN image with nary an alarm being seen or spoken as they ate the cake with Satan, too, LIARS that their corporate demons are.

Until the IBSA and JWs came along, people were actually accepting such “harlot” claims.

It was a progressive truth and still is, because for those paying attention even JW leadership has now hopped on the wildbeast (Dan11:30-35; Matt24:15) while silencing and stalling Bible prophecy of 8th King world government required “one hour” of completion which phase leads to the Christ arrival.(Dan8:12b)


Revelation 10:5–7

5 And the angel whom I saw standing on the sea and on the land raised his right hand to heaven 6 and swore by him who lives forever and ever, who created heaven and what is in it, the earth and what is in it, and the sea and what is in it, that there would be no more delay, 7 but that in the days of the trumpet call to be sounded by the seventh angel, the mystery of God would be fulfilled, just as he announced to his servants the prophets.

Daniel 8:13-14 is coming upon the “wrong condition” JW Org.

Then the final “five discreet virgins” SPOTLIGHT of TRUTH is going global for the LAST TIME in this Adamic era. The 2520 days “seven times” of Revelation 11 will complete.
[QUOTE who=”Jparkh81″]<quoted text>

I see you still haven’t responded to the quotes by Ignatius of Antioch about referring to Jesus as God long before the supposed Constantine/ catholic church perversion.

I already studied Arius, Ignoratious and Justyn Martyr and the rest and the difference of opinion was apparent then as today. The apostasy was already being identified as present in budding form by Paul.

Wherever there is spiritual truth so there will be Satan mixing lies in, because the truth is here to stay, there are only a few things Satan can now do, as listed:

1. Add lies to truth that can no longer be overcome.

2. Manifest false prophecy BEFORE the real prophecy fulfills.

3. Get God’s people in real sins.

Satan has to do things prematurely, if he waits until God’s Kingdom arrives it would be TOO LATE.

This is how you know JWs have been entered by Satan, the preach a “it will end soon” mantra which distracts them from the FACT world government 8th King King North has yet to become a true global world power.

That premature end delusion is in 2Thess2:1-2.

And as all can see, JWs are involved in heavy sins that they live in denial of, but that won’t stop God’s discipline.

In the get people involved in real sins is a veritable cornucopia of things Satan is up to in all religions.

Satan is now fully limited to that general strategy.

Just a matter of time, but this is the forecast you will be referring to for the next 15 years, whether you believe it or not. Same with JWs, but they have to see the JW org go down guilty, before their eyes are opened, that is, those who make this initial cut of Daniel 8:13-14 coming up.
[QUOTE who=”Jparkh81″]<quoted text>

I see you still haven’t responded to the quotes by Ignatius of Antioch about referring to Jesus as God long before the supposed Constantine/ catholic church perversion.

When I say apostasy, I mean when apostasy is the “standard operating procedure” of the organization of Christendom, and that was installed by the Papacy.

With JWs it was Daniel 8:12b “gradually given over” to the same apostasy, in specialized form for JWs, since 1970s by the GB.

In BOTH cases, a revered group of men ended up being Satan’s inside channel to mislead. They Papacy and the GB are BOTH “middle men” playing Christ in competition with him.

But, JWs are the ones who Christ will hit first, the Papacy is destroyed under full world government in around 15 years with the rest of the BTG religions.

You have some time to figure this out.

[QUOTE who=”rsss1″]<quoted text>

Do you believe there is saved Christians?[/QUOTE]

Revelation 18:4 “get out of her MY people” indicates there are saved PEOPLE, some who know little or nothing about Jesus Christ such as the “last second sheep” of Matthew 25:31-40;

Who is so noob as to ask “when did we see you naked Jesus?”.

Total newbies are the ONLY ones who could ask such a noob question.

Revelation 14:6-7 is the most important scripture of the final warning.

But this will go in one ear and out the other on your well greased “one track mind” I assume.

Christians are hearing this warning for a reason, if JWs are judged which we shall be as Daniel 8:13-14 then ALL CHRISTIANS need to perform their deeds fully, MORE repentance is required.

The trek to perfection means MORE EVERYTHING will be required for quite some time, thus, why would God give up on HIS people in the first day of their awareness of this????

Tony, it is all already foretold and explained as a warning to be on the lookout for the preamture end delusion which will include features of the Christ arrival being deceptively promoted as “guaranteed” way too soon as would be the “day of Jehovah”:

2 Thessalonians 2:1-2

Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

And even claimant apostles were to be included in those who may promote this deception now rampant among JWs as the most prematurely expected “end of the world” group of them all:

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

The real sign we are getting closer will be the revelation of an apostasy more close to home than even the Christendom clergy, but the GB will be globally exposed as the final fulfillers of this prophecy to complete the “man of lawlessness” whole:

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition

Obviously, this is EXACTLY what the FDS GB are now fully up to in the global spotlight they shone on themselves in 2012:

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

So, part of the distraction from the man of lawlessness in verses 3 and 4 is the end of the world hype now being drilled in JWs minds to also ignore the warning of 2 Thessalonians 2:1-2.
[QUOTE who=”GreatSouthbay4040″]<quoted text>
” She examined things a little deeper”

( unquote)

Really?…..Okie dokie…

Please quit with the hypocrisy. She wasnt perfect. Just because she is dead. We shouldn’t make up stuff.

How about a RIP and call it a day?

” Perverted governing body” among other unmentionables is not a deep thinker. It’s twisted. Period.

Dont post just for the sake of posting, Temple.

She’ s dead and a simple RIP is sufficient


Geeez. I was just saying, yes, she was a little deeper in insight based on examining and premise for the first time than most people I come across and gracious, at least I never pissed her off and am always looking for a listening ear.

I put the epitaph that “There is Always the Way Out” because it is true and for some they can’t stay long anyways. And by now from just one read of the Bible and John 7:24 you oughta know humans are famous for being horrible judges of character.

“Stop judging by mere appearances, but instead judge correctly.””

Most people today would heckle John the Baptist and kick Jesus Christ right out of the congregation, hell, Paul wouldn’t set foot in a dirty Kingdom Hall.

So, we cannot judge by hearsay and appearances, just look at the forlorn state of JWs to see why. (Zech3:3)

Daniel 8:13-14 is coming on JWs for a reason.

You should not hate people just because they disagree with you or because they expose a few sins in your own house. (1Pet4:17)

That is why the GB is there. (Dan11:32a) But, not for long, the place will be handed back to the brothers by KING DESTROYER. (Rev9; Isa66:6; Matt22:1-14)

Then we can talk.
[QUOTE who=”Tony Price 77″]But I tried posting a thread called: “Galatians 6:9 and Habakkuk 2:3” three times, but they shadow banned me all THREE times. But let me see if this post goes through since I posted the names of scriptures. [/QUOTE]

Have you ever heard of a SQL-injection? That subject matter may interest you and lead you to a theory why Topix may have had trouble with special characters in thread titles.

When a person clicks a thread title there will be an http request sent to the server….

My Theory

Webs handle the request differently. It is a point of database vulnerability because someone copy the hyperlink can add other code to the request, and depending on how Topix handles the request string, they may choose to just not handle special characters at all.

When interpreting special characters for a SQL call or query, some places have opened up vulnerabilities for a SQL-injection because it can get kind of tricky and some characters trickier than others when storing them in a SQL database.

Apparently, Topix has had a few run ins with “hackers” possibly, which is also a nice phantom to blame for poor coding problems that can sometimes cause problems that may look like a hack, but it was just a strange syntax of code construct that became unstable in certain situations.

[QUOTE who=”frgoad “]<quoted text>
Why no reply?:(

It is too much for JWs, and not enough. Jws do not comment on scriptures only damage control and the stuff that got ironed in like the Trinity. The GB admitted why. In Wt 3/15 they admitted they have a “JW dumb down campaign” going for a number of years prior to admission. So, JWs have forgotten all the deeper stuff. Just autopilot and Titanic drift at this point.

The pattern is Hezekiah was overall pretty good but he had a lapse. But, he did lead restoring the temple, and the DESTROYER helped when he did the 185000 Assyrians in, it helped it did not destroy Assyria but only helped.

JWs have a “modern day Assyrian” on them from the inside planning an assault from the outside. It will be the invasion of Daniel 11:41 and the “trampling” of Daniel 8:13-14, but DESTROYER will thump some Assyrian head to lead to the temple COMPLETION as Revelation 8’s “fire” in the assault, leads to Revelation 9, then 10 and 11, on the same old pattern from 1914-1918.

But this will be the final 1260 days which completes the final “seven times” as 2520 days, Revelation witnesses, the TWO WITNESSES, represent that EACH ONE is 1260 days, past and future.

Because the GB is not approved and dumbing down JWs, they don’t see this, plus the sins they are covering up and condoning means God will not turn the lights on until 3.19 years desolation passes for Daniel 8:14, as Revelation 9, when Destroyer pops open the lid on that “abyss” of JW desolations.

JWs believe the are infallible and “faithful” like their “FDS” self congratulatory GB, so it will be very hard on their self righteous delusion containers.

It will be Daniel 8:13-14. Global context will be Daniel 11:41-43.

[QUOTE who=”Jparkh81″]<quoted text>

just curious, how did He receive kingship in 1914 if He already had ALL Authority in heaven and earth? [/QUOTE]

It had to be made official.

“…to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the Most Holy Place.” Dan 9:24

Christ’s kinging in God’s Kingdom is the Rev4 event ceremony. But he has a coronation coming up as Messianic Kingdom King, the one JWs silence.

TWO witnessings (Rev11) to the sealed vision and prophecy opened (Rev5) forth “last days” is for a global announcement, offer and warning.

Only IBSA did this, then JWs continued. Witness 1 eill be IBSA’s, witness 2 of the future will be from trampled JWs “in sackcloth” as Rev11:3 in the future.
The Rev11:2, Luke21:24 “trampling of the holy city”, but with the final warning being completed (Rev11:7) will complete the “seven times” 2520 days of Revelation 11 in the future as world government completes the 8th King King North finality that triggers the Christ arrival.

1914 STARTED to make this all official for the date and year is marked in Daniel 4, 607 BCE King Neb crowning. JWs have a time/event error here that will be rectified in the final warning when and after the GB is destroyed. (Rev8:10-11)

Puerto Rico Finance

One thing which holds up “statehood” in the US Union is the tier of the global banking system the entity is wired into. For example, the US South, in the days of the “state sovereignty delusion” since 1776, was wired into the US central banking system when they were forced to gold-back the then resetting Revolutionary War loans, which the South felt they were not required to do.

The US Federal Reserve, US as in the entity it controls by finance since it is a totally opaque and private corporation, is one leg of the global central banking system, based on the first leg, the London “City” system which now controls the EU.

Puerto Rico, ON THE OTHER HAND, has been wired into the invasive World Bank system with other third world-like territories and countries. The World Bank is the third tier. It is a complicated matter to rewire it into a Fed circuit board without a set of decisions to do so from various powers, including London.

That is a reason, imo, PR will just be strung along like South America, etc, until a large enough global event can just snap the wold bank chip into the global government of finance new operating system kernel and board.

BRICS, incidentally, is a fourth tier “reserve tank” to even out the shock of the crash because those nations must also be plugged into world government. All the tiers can melt into the final form of world government financial system control as per Daniel 11:42-43.

The Revelation 13:3 final “sword stroke” will merely accelerate this assimilation, while all the religious groups sell the “the end of the world” designed HOAX, rather than simply explain what was just covered in the above.

As per Isaiah 41 and Revelation 13:3, Revelation 17:8-12, there is a global recovery “healing” before world government completes and thus before the full Christ arrival. The “tribulation of those days” resolves into world government mega-global-recovery, and that BEFORE Christ arrives.

The sell 666 world government under the grandest of claims and hopefulness, NOT with doomsday but with its cessation by design.
[QUOTE who=”El C-GSB”]<quoted text> Didn’t quite get you. But, yet, i did………

Interesting…This is something out of the box. I have come to the conclusion that the only way PR can automatically become a state is if the U.S declares it a state and annexes it completely. (U. S has POWER TO DO ANYTHING THEY WANT WITH PR)…..Such a case would likely be during wartime when U.S its flexing its muscle and claiming more of a stake in the region due to geopolitics and that sort of thing.

And the ONLY way PR’s can virtually put gas on their ‘miniscule’ support for independence movement is if the statehood party turned around a did a 180 degree and got fed up with up the U.S Congress intransigent stance by not granting them statehood and demanded independence. The whole island would virually be as ONE. But, U.S would have to let those who have America citizenship keep it along with their benefits. (I think really U.S would go for that….It is feasible)

Yes, Both scenarios are under dramatic circumstances and NOT likely to happen. But, i always say ‘expect the unexpected’…..I have though of this quite often when thinking on the status issue.

The traditional methods of plebiscite after plebiscite and talks after talks are going nowhere. Fact is…..Many powerful interests want to keep the present day status quo as is. U.S makes 16 times more from PR than it sends to the island. Corporations do BIG BUSINESS in PR.


There was a reason the US would not join the League of Nations. When the US defaults its 20 trillion in debt, maybe 30 or 40 by that time, they will go under receivership of a UN and Globalist sanctioned corporate clearing house whose goal will be a mega “loan mod”, after which the UN system, not the US, will OWN America lock, stock and barrel. (Same with the EU, etc)

So, it does not matter if PR comes in, in that US basket-case or direct into UN ownership. That is an ownership in the UN sanctioned financial devices, corporate, private-controlled devices of the world government of finance for the scheduled transition of all nation assets (Dan11:42-43) into a final global currency system based on over 200 tons of real gold (Dan11:43), total hard asset OWNERSHIP, plus the new loan apparatus and currency/nation-level banking devices.

Buying out the World Bank portfolio is a small fry operation compared to the US or EU or even BRICS assets which are the international legally securitized assets of the UN scale final banking system; so that when the US and EU collapse, their national assets, the whole deal, will be GONE, pawned by King North Globalist financial system. A DONE deal.

THAT is why early US politicians tried to stay away from the League of Nations when this was all first being offered. International law will grow teeth and be backed by Global NATO which will be in 100% control of the whole weapons system while KN 8th King controls the wealth system as one whole, hence Revelation 13:15-18.

[QUOTE who=”Tony Price 77″]<quoted text>

(Sigh!) Okay, let me re-word my question: Why are good angels called princes in the book of Daniel?

Because we know that the demons are called princes in the book of Daniel because they rule over earthly nations.(Daniel 10:20) And we know that the one good angel Michael is called a prince because he rules over Daniel’s people(Daniel 12:1)… But why are the REST OF THE GOOD ANGELS CALLED PRINCES IN THE BOOK OF DANIEL?(Daniel 10:13) Or do you not understand that Daniel 10:13 implies OTHER good angels besides Michael and Gabriel?


Daniel 10:13,18-21

13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days; but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me:

18 Then there touched me again one like the appearance of a man, and he strengthened me. 19 And he said, O man greatly beloved, fear not: peace be unto thee, be strong, yea, be strong. And when he spake unto me, I was strengthened, and said, Let my lord speak; for thou hast strengthened me. 20 Then said he, Knowest thou wherefore I am come unto thee? and now will I return to fight with the prince of Persia: and when I go forth, lo, the prince of Greece shall come. 21 But I will tell thee that which is inscribed in the writing of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me against these, but Michael your prince.

Only the “chief princes” are referred to as far as good angels, which is not “the rest of the good angels”, since they are not all “chief princes”. If you can follow JW-revealed symbology, though some in Christendom talked about it too, the “star” is a term for an angel.

So, the good angels you speak of in “chief princes” capacity before God, of which Michael is “one of the chief princes”, now known to be THE Chief Prince, are also in the Revelation “woman’s” “crown” of 12 STARS.

Revelation 12:1

And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars.

So those twelve angelic princely “star” orders in that “crown of twelve stars” comprise the angel-based ruling power of God’s “woman”, which is a new feature since this “woman” was mentioned in Genesis 3:15, and it is only a mere sampling of “all the good angels”.

King Michael is the “crown” symbol, he would be the master angelic pattern and Archangel for all 12 of those angelic orders of that dimension of God’s Kingdom power.

In Summary

1. The “rest of the good angels” are NOT referred to in Daniel ONLY the “chief princes” and some demon princes of Persia and Greece.

2. Angels are hugely powerful, intelligent and old compared to human beings and they have been doing things for God, through Michael for eons in this universe and beyond.

You’ll have to use your own imagination as to what they do and specialize in.

[QUOTE who=”Tony Price 77″]<quoted text>

Kind of like you did? 😉

<quoted text>

So who do you rely on for your endless philosophy?


From my own homework I did find Jehovah’s witnesses to be the most advanced research group in:

1. Understanding the purpose of God, Christ and all the covenants and how they tie together in a comprehensive whole.

2. Understanding historic prophecy that had already fulfilled and was fulfilling up to UN 1945 in the basic “seven world power” SIMPLE outline in Daniel 2 and Rev13.

The other groups, let’s just call then “Christendom”:

1. Have a mishmash of ideas of God and no structure to the covenant process and have been a UN affiliate since 1921. (God aint ever going to give light to sell outs to the rival global sovereign system)

2. The Christendom academic press has halted all prophecy tracking to Rome, ignoring all Anglo-American fulfillment en route to Armageddon. (Thus, people are being blindly led into a global sovereign trap by means of the UN “image” worship)

Now, JWs have also chosen a GB idol who has chosen to bend knee to and ride the UN “image”. Lights out, nothing good can come of this. (And as you can see Jws, like Christendom, have halted prophecy exposure; (Dan8:12b))

This this is all coincidence and just a dirty-JW “whipping boy” fest?

Pay attention Tony, you are at the start of the epic final global cycle into world war and then the “healing” into world government (Rev13:3), Rev9-11 final warning in that process, to the Christ arrival;

JWs are the final SIGNAL apostasy of our times. JWs are the TRAITOR UN alliance of final note: (Matthew24:15)

JWs cover up all 1990 UN progress in prophecy of Daniel 11:30-31, Dan8:23.

The JW modern apostasy is Daniel 11:32-35 and it will ignite Daniel 8:13-14, Rev8:1-8.

If you can’t figure this out as you see it and live through it the next 15 years, then maybe you should call it quits as a human being. You have to value your own spiritual life, no one will do it for you.

[QUOTE who=”EL C – GSB”]<quoted text> What else more can one expect from a hardcore apostate?…….I’m really at a loss for words.

Your intransigent stance is between you and Jehovah.


You are the one in the UN NGO claiming to be a “NON-KINGDOM” Organization rather than stand up and tell everyone the prophecy the 1990 THIRD UN GLOBAL PRESENTATION fulfilled at Daniel 11:31.

And why? So you can KISS BOOTY to a bunch of self appointed FAKES and Korak class Governing Body glory hounds and UN toters, not to mention lawless pedophiles and general arrogant backward frauds of Revelation 2:2.

YOU and JWs are the APOSTATES, don’t call me such a name, I told JWs what is what at Daniel 8:11-14.

NOW is time for JEHOVAH and the DESTROYER to judge the temple FIRST as usual; 1Pet4:17; Rev8:1-8; Zech3:15; Mal3:1-5

JWs are well off course and dead on the side of the way.


[QUOTE who=”GreatSouthbay4040″]<quoted text> Temple: “PR would be batter off with the least US partnering as possible, sad but true”.

El C/GSB: Nope!.. Too late…Not at this point, anyway. At one time. I might have said yes. And there is no chance they will walk away without being handed a big fat bill courtesy of the U.S treasury. Look what happened to Haiti? They never recovered.


I think we are saying the same thing.

The US is in no shape to help itself, PR would become collateral but then again the Globalist Central Bankers will get both either way. Anyone partnering with the US will get sucked into that massive 150 trillion debt/unfunded liability to pop with what some call the “Everything Bubble”.

I think as an opinion it will be put off a couple years or 3, but I could be wrong. But it will pop, how fast it deflates is unknown.

The US cannot help anyone, only a world war can conceal the game and pull the US out into total globalist ownership like no one aint ever seen before:

[Globalism System] King North shall stretch out his hand against the (king south) countries, and the land of Egypt (king south capital system) shall not escape. 43 [Globalism System] King North shall have power over the treasures of [global] gold and silver, and over all the precious things of [King South nation-state] Egypt;

[New World Order] King North shall stretch out his hand against the (king south) countries, and the land of Egypt (king south old world order) shall not escape. 43 [New World Order] King North shall have power over the treasures of [global] gold and silver, and over all the precious things of [King South old world order] Egypt;

The post 2008 20 trillion in Fed monopoly money is all that America is floating on at this time, all make-believe prior to the bubble pop heard round the world.

It is NOT “the end”, it is the period which is severe, but eventually resolves into 8th King (King North) WORLD GOVERNMENT.

It will be Daniel 8:13-14 in the Daniel 11:41-43 global context, not Daniel 11:44 for about 15 years.
[QUOTE who=”Tony Price 77″]<quoted text>

You did? What post? Because I must have missed that post. Also, how can you say that Daniel 10:13 doesn’t include the rest of the good angels? Because it clearly does.[/QUOTE]

The angels covered in Daniel are “chief princes”, not all angels are chief princes. It may have been shadow banned, i’ll try again.

[QUOTE who=”Tony Price 77″]So are those angels? And where do you get that from? [/QUOTE]

Stars in the Bible are symbols of angels or angelic orders.

[QUOTE who=”Tony Price 77″]1969? Well, why 1969?


In the progress of JW covenant and prophecy understanding Rutherford was the main driver. Fred Franz was there for the whole Rutherford tenure and then he harmonized the rest of Revelation which took some time overall.

Franz did this in 1963 with the Babylon the Great Has Fallen book in its Revelation portion and the Then is Finished the Mystery of God book in 1969; both these commentary portions were combined in the Grand Climax book in 1989.

But, 1969 was the plateau of real spiritual insight. Once the GB stole control the lights went off, because from the 70s, in hindsight now, that apostasy had to be allowed 40 years+ to run its course so when we go into the final cycle with the JW Org downfall, afterwards, the prophecy can be quickly explained from the apostasy to UN NGO to today’s disaster in the ministry, very quickly.

So, the little crap the GB mucks with is NOTHING compared to 1969. And the GB messes with stuff to mark the blasphemy to involve JWs in their “publicly seating themselves in the temple of the God” as the “lifting themselevs over everyone” “man of lawlessness” (2Thess2:1-12) which that “We are the ONLY Faithful Slave folks!” stunt at the end of 2011 secured in global public view and record.

JWs said nothing about UN 1990 which is the THIRD UN prophecy since 1919 and 1945, but it has been mummed and the fake USSR King North error is being retained. We still have problems in Daniel 4,8,11, but they will explain themselves once the GB is gone.

The 1969 period saw a whole Revelation first cycle interpretation which is still good, and forms the final cycle fulfillment main pattern for the future, including now the apostasy which the GB will mark since 1970s.

[QUOTE who=”I_know_better_now “]<quoted text>

Don’t think topix is going anywhere.. What would the gov use to attack the org with if its gone? [/QUOTE]

About 1000 other sites, sites which do not allow the real prophecy basis of this “attack” (Dan11:41) to be told in most cases. Or as with “Friends of Jehovah’s Witnesses” IBSA DNA site, they are already selling the world government as “God’s Kingdom”.

Topix is an information aggregating semi-forum based website. The broad nature of its organization of global trends and information means its only “agenda” is an information based earning center for its creators.

It is probably the most open information site on the internet with no hidden agenda to base its “disfellowshipping” of forum members upon, you can SAY ANYTHING YOU WANT ON TOPIX.

It’s “shadow banning” is too random to be based on human opinion but a beta security algorithm which could use some improvement. I mean they are blocking international users so they are not too confident in their own security ability because their own enterprise architecture model may be legacy late 90s ideas, imo.

To find out you’d have to analyze the web from the server up, and if its legacy they are avoiding the infrastructural upgrade as long as they can which often carries a premium for the experts who run it, which in time may be found to be lacking which complications can break a web’s presence.

You are paranoid about Topix, everyone else BUT Topix is out to get criminal Bethel.
[QUOTE who=”EL C – GSB”]<quoted text> Found this part interesting.

” I mean they are blocking international users so they are not too confident in their own security ability because their own enterprise architecture model may be legacy late 90s ideas, imo”

( unquote)

I think they were forewarned. Its too sloppy of an operation. Period…….It would cost Chris Tolles a lot of money to upgrade.


What I cannot figure out yet, is why international users? The technology designers are IN THE US, and they would be more dangerous because many of them have worked on this since the mid 90s. It is why the “Russian hackers” story is a joke, Cyber NATO is thousands of times more potential than Russia, they are just getting people used to the idea Russia is the next political boogeyman for the next “sword stroke”.

Many webs are just accidents that turned into goldmines, like Craigslist. But the web is the next “frontier” to be taken over and controlled and totally censored. With the “sword stroke” is when they will do a clean sweep of the web, imo, and they will hit hard as everyone sleeps. It will be required to make the “death stroke” look like “the end”, “AS THOUGH slaughtered to death”, but it is just the final ruse prior to world government.

But how HUGE does this next world war crash cycle have to be for 99% of the world to mispercieve it as “doomsday”? Yet, it can only run so long in peak form, some rollercoastering, then a stabilization into 100% World Government control. (Rev13:3; Dan11:41-43)

It will only be Daniel 11:41-43, and Daniel 11:41 is the global invasion of JW Org with the anointed as the target for the visible signal of Daniel 8:13-14 incept.

[QUOTE who=”EL C – GSB”]

I think the U.S has so- called “allies” in that region who are not true Allies. Playing both sides of the fence. Read Saudia Arabia. Aren’t they quite powerful and sitting on one of the worlds largest oil reserves and they hold many of Islams most holy sites? Don’t their ruling families live in “shameless luxury”, as well? Just as the bible states. The Catholic church, as well. Didnt they support the wars…And so onnnn…[/QUOTE]

No denying religions are meddling nuisances and that at the top where the “shameless luxury” exists.

But there are several reasons why you cannot fight Russia/China/Iran AND “all global religions” at the same time.

1. (Instead, they NEED RELIGIONS at this time to foment the final war, and they need to concentrate on defeating “King South” nation-state system which is plain as day in Daniel 11 that “King North” GLOBALIZATION SYSTEM is the victor system. (And why it cannot be USSR nor Russia, it is globalism system, Russia will also bend knee to 666 world government, they are not that entity))

2. They need religions to “ride” the COMPLETE “scarlet wildbeast” to sell the Rev13:15-18 666 to their global-flocks in final form for maximum spiritual destructive effects on human souls.

3. They can store 500 trillion in this protected-religious-asset-complex through the world war, then devestate the “harlot” after the war to then help boost the “healing” global-recovery of Revelation 13:3, Isaiah 41:1.

Religions will not go down until world government is complete and they have done their final “harlot” work to tell people the 666 wildbeast is “god’s kingdom everyone!”. THEN, they will go down and contribute all the assets they have stored through the world war.


4. Revelation 17:8-18 gives that same order of events, BTG goes down last, AFTER world government is destroyed.

We can know this much.

No way can they fight all fronts including BTG at this time. BTG must go down last.

[QUOTE who=”I_know_better_now “]<quoted text>

I could be wrong but I don’t think I am. If the Beast can take control of religion and turn it into a state approved system. Then the traditional religion is no more. Another words the shepherding is done from the state system and it becomes the actual antichrist because it slyly diverts attention from the Christ as the solution. This also fits with what Daniel says about the disgusting thing standing in a Holy place. So Babylon the Great in essence becomes taken over and removed from it’s ability to influence forever, now that the state has assumed control. It’s very crafty yet effective. People may be looking for something more dramatic but it may not come that way. It may already be occurring under their very eyes.. This also fits with how many would be caught by surprise and how the end will come as a shock.


The end will not come as a shock, as Paul said “you are sons of light so that day does not have to come upon you as it would thieves”. To those doing their REQUIRED Bible due diligence and homework the prophecy has been outlining the progression of all EIGHT world powers, from Egypt to Anglo-America in prophecy the 8th King is the final signal.

The UN is its nucleus “image” but it is NOT in global power yet like it will be under world government. The trek to world government is outlined in prophecy and will be preceded by:

1. The final apostasy, now as the GB plays the final “man of lawlessness” as the state has now control of JWs.

2. The timed temple judgment of Daniel 8:13-14 which is the inception of Revelation 8:1-8, on JWs “earth”, as Revelation 8-11 enters its final fulfillment cycle en route to 8th King.

3. All that in a world war global crisis and crash (Dan11:41-43) many will 2Thess2:1-2 misperceive as “the end”, but it heals in world government 8th King King North as per Revelation 13:3.

(Christians in all religions misperceive the end because they have all been leadership infiltrated by the “man of lawlessness”)

4. JWs will be Dan8:14 cleansed by “fire” (Rev8:1-8, Mal3:1-5) and recover amidst losses to announce the final prophecy cycle is active, it is the final 1260 days “second witnessing” warning of Revelation 11:3, seven times completes as 2520 days.

5. World Government will complete.

6. BTG is destroyed.

So, by the time world government completes endorsed by BTG, it will destroy all religion as it also ends that final warning, but anyone paying a little attention will know that will all trigger the Christ arrival.

7. Revelation 14:1-8 Christ arrival; Matt24:29-31

We know all this now from prophecy, there is no “thief in the night” but for apostate JWs in the infiltrated JW Org and Christendom all controlled by the real King North (Dan11:32-35), hence Matt24:15.

The problem with JWs is they are trying to eat the GB poison cake and Jehovah’s angel food cake (Rev1:1) at the same time. And that kind of harlotry don’t fly with God and Christ. (Dan8:13-14)

The GB slid in on the reputations of the former solo guides of the ministry like Russell, Rutherford and Fred Franz. In reality, Russell (1897) and Rutherford (1917) both had to fire their “board of directors” for similar attempted stunts the GB pulled off in 1976.

In fact, throwing Rutherford in prison with the then cleaned out “board”, NEVER ONCE calling themselves a “governing body” until the 70s, was “Plan B” when the 1917 board revolt failed.

The GB is illegal, gained power by “wily intrigues” and wrote nothing, Fred Franz ALONE is who finalized the first cycle Revelation prophecy.

JWs will have a hard time realizing the GB stabbed God and them in the back, they have bought the deception lock, stock and barrel. Daniel 8:13-14 will be very hard and devastating on JWs, especially those who have placed faith in the KN (Dan11:32a) cursed GB.

But, when Daniel 8:14 events and timing run their course, the first step in Revelation 8 prophecy will be easier to explain amidst in the face global fulfillment features, including the UN NGO required downfall of the JW Org, now the final apostasy SIGNAL of our times.

It will be the final TEMPLE JUDGMENT. It marks the “time of the end” of “the last days”. We will have about 15 years from the time JW Org starts to implode by KN hand, permitted by God for the UN NGO “transgression causing desolation” of Daniel 8:13-14, in the Daniel 11:41-43 context.
The churches are not “anti-semitic” which includes the Arab people, btw. Instead, they place the political state of Israel and the Jews into a racial superiority complex. At church, it “Heil Jews”.

Jehovah’s witnesses merely reported that the Jews have broken covenant with God and got dumped.

So, take your pick. Heil Jews, or state the Biblical and historical truth.
Super Glue wrote:
And you guess it correctly. Yes, I am talking about 607 bce. The only possible reason JWs believe that Jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce is because the Watchtower says so. That’s it. History does not prove 607 bce. The Jews do not approve of 607 bce. Last but not least, the Bible does not prove 607 bce. Even if 607 bce were true, this date would have no correlation whatsoever on when Christ to VISIBLY return to earth. Again, what is the reasons why JWs believe in 607 bce? Solely because the Watchtower says so. Can I dare you to prove me otherwise?
Let us say you are correct and Jerusalem was destroyed in 587 BCE and SEVEN TIMES later, 70 years, the second Temple of Jerusalem was completed in 517 BCE.(Zech3-4,6)

And let us say, since we are supposed to be examining “[[[GENTILE]]] TIMES”, that King Nebuchadnezzar instead, went into Babylonian power in his marked dynasty as Crown Prince of Babylon in 607 BCE, and within SEVEN TIMES, SEVENTY years, his entire dynasty was wiped out by Cyrus in 537 BCE, an undisputed date.

Now we have TWO pretty cool “seven times” connections 607-537 and 587-517, we retain the 607 BCE to 1914 BCE GENTILE times of it all as well in perfect form, we honor Daniel 4 100%, and the problem is solved with a Jerusalem Temple destruction event which was also rectified in 70 years from 587 BCE to 517 BCE.


In 517 BCE, when High Priest Joshua was crowned “King Priest” in the Jerusalem Temple (Zech4:6-9; Zech6:9-15), picturing the Christ final King Priest coronation when the 2520 DAYS of Revelation 11’s “seven times” completes in its final 1260 day warning IN THE FUTURE (Luke 21:24), it was actually picturing the FUTURE Temple Completion under Christ.


Problem solved, all is well, all is good, just need to run the final prophecy cycle of Revelation’s “second witnessing” fulfillment of the “TWO witnesses” of Revelation 8-11 IN THE FUTURE, once JWs are overcome by Daniel 8:13-14 parallel Revelation 8:1-8 modern, final, TEMPLE JUDGMENT.

We are now approaching the FINAL 1260 DAYS which will complete Revelation 11’s also required SEVEN TIMES “trampling” as Revelation 11:2 is what Christ was speaking of in Luke 21:24.

So, you are correct, but you over-corrected and tried to say 607 BCE itself is an error, when it is valid but for Babylonian marked “GENTILE times” reasons, the very thing we are supposed to be tracking here anyways.

Thanks for looking into this matter.
Politics is designed to distract public attention to sideshows from what is really developing. Mainstream media aids the process; Once a news organization starts influencing political sentiments it is propaganda, not news, but designed events made to form the basis of the propaganda work.

The goal is to deceive the public from the purpose of the next global crash/war cycle. Its purpose is in Revelation 13:3, Revelation 17:8-13, WORLD GOVERNMENT “SCARLET WILDBEAST” IN 100% AUTHORITY WITH THE UN “IMAGE” NUCLEUS HIGHLIGHTED.

The GB is also carrying out this secrecy and deception agenda among JWs by silencing all modern world government and globalization prophecy now rampantly active in the world since 1990.

JWs sleep on with nightmares of “the end” as does all mainstream Christendom for their leadership is all King North globalist infiltrated as per Daniel 8:11-12, Daniel 11:32-35. The GB is the foremost example of what they are doing.
[QUOTE who=”GreatSouthbay4040″]<quoted text> This video is right up your alley, Temple

You sure seem to have time for this. Lol……Im joking, but not really. You will enjoy it. What is happening in PR our country NEEDS to be concerned with. This can reverberate here affecting many people pension plans as well as other serious affects. We are ALL connected.


This is the “big one’ coming up, but even if they haul off 10% of the population to concentration camps and kill a billion in the world war, there will still be well over 5 billion people left. And it is not “the end” it is the chaos cycle from which the order emerges, the new world order by world government, so JWs will be set adrift in a delusion for the worst prt of this cycle, but they will have to recover with the global healing to finally tell people what has really been going on.

It is not the end, it is the :big one” repetition of Revelation 13:3. But, prophecy has no root in JWs any longer due to the GB self-admitted dumb down campaign, so that will as much meaning to a JW as it would a churchoid.

[QUOTE who=”wow”]<quoted text>

So I guess by you diverting you have LIED. Your watchtower jws kingdom halls do not GIVE more to the POOR as you claimed.

The POOR , is not necessarily the Homeless, the Hungry, or the Orphans.

So from the sound from YOU , pruffy JW….you do not do ANY “Charity” to help the POOR, let alone for the ones in dire need.

YOU , pruf, are a LIAR. Like your other brother/sisters on here.

We all knew you were LYING. None of us have ever HEARD of the ” watchtower organization of JWs” ever GIVING to the POOR or of ANY “Charitable” contributions.


33 org, or JW Org as you may know it is too good to be concerned with poor losers; that is how most JWs conduct themselves, they ingratiate and enrich their billionaire cornfed GB, but addicts, losers, alcoholics, and generally depressed souls are marginalized and kicked out so as to conserve more millions for the shameless GB porkers of King North. (Dan11:32a)

You see, JWs, like a slick well-produced sit com, are a high falutin’ “Elite King North Christian Ministry”; they are high minded, uppity, full of themselves and look down on everyone as if they already made it.

Poor things, just look at the “infallible crew” here.

But, you shall soon WITNESS what God does to a place which behaves like this. (Daniel 8:13-14; Matt22:1-14)

Warning: IT AIN’T GONNA BE PRETTY. (Dan 11:41-43; Isa66:6; Isa28:21)

JWs are apostates, GB damage control muppets and a global reproach of lawlessness which stumbles more people than there are JWs and detracts from the “Kingdom Message” and their fruitage nows speaks for itself as these overripe grapes ooze from the rotten GB tree now, attracting fruit flies.

This is why JWs give to the GB thieves of Ezekiel 7:22 (Rev2:2) and wouldn’t think of giving anyone but themselves a “Happy Meal”.

JWs are in heavy sins, and this is how it devolved to this state as everything in the above IS TRUE, JWs provide their own GB detraction.

See what Daniel 8:12 has to say about modern Jehovah’s witnesses?

“People sinned there instead of offering the proper daily sacrifices, and true religion was thrown to the ground. The horn was successful in everything it did there.”
[QUOTE who=”GreatSouthbay4040″]<quoted text>2. It will start and define the Biblical “tribulation of those days” which “heals” into world government.

You don’ t see this as tribulation? You know…..An older seasoned brother whom i hold in high regard. He’s old enough to be my father. Actually, older than my dad by a couple of years and has been in the truth for what seems like from my standpoint since the year 1… LOL…….Anyway, he made a point that was sort of ,in synch, with IKBN’s point about the tribulation already being here and we don’ t even realize it…. And i only make special note of this brother with this particular post because this brother is a ‘straight by the book’ society man 100%. Yet, that is not what the society is teaching ‘as of yet’ , that is. His point surprised me. You know…..Our channel is the GB. That is where you and i will diverge. And that’s fine….. (Perhaps, the society knows this. But, has not due to Christ’s direction not saw fit yet to tell us)…..However, it doesn’ t mean that brotherscate not granted holy spirit to discern and see. The danger lies in not following Christs appointed men. Everything will turn out as the scriptures say. We just have to wait. Why are the lessons there about Korah and others? Perhaps, they could have led better than Moses? Perhaps, King Azaiah could have performed the sacrifice even better than the prophet Samuel?….However, that was not Jehovah’ s arrangement.

We must waitvon those he spiritually appoints to lead us.


You WILL know this tribulation phase prior to world government it will truly “rock the nations” so that many will be woken up prior to the Christ arrival as the “ten virgins” parable repeats in this coming context, it will be so bad many people will truly think “the end has arrived”.


But, as Jesus said in Luke 21:9 and Matthew 24:6, the end will NOT occur immediately with “that tribulation”. In fact, Jesus said this:

“And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.”

Because what is coming will be the above in peak form, it is actually a sign of it NOT being the end according to Christ’s explicit hint. As per 1Thessalonians 5:1-3 when they reach the “healing” of Revelation 13:3 and start to make their “we have world peace” claims, AFTER this tribulation coming up, THEN the end will come.

And that “world peace” is the main global-mantra and selling feature of complete 8th King World Government which this period coming up shall heal into.

But, for the doubters, they will understand what is meant in the above when this next crash comes, it will be the worst crash of ALL WORLD HISTORY and its world war will be likewise the worst destructions people have ever witnessed.

But, God uses it to wake up many people.

The finality of the period will be easier to explain once we have that phase under our belt. JW Org will go down as Daniel 11:41 in this period, how severe is yet to be seen and will depend on how deep and fast JWs can repent. (Daniel 8:13-14 will prove itself on JW Org in this process)

[QUOTE who=”GreatSouthbay4040″]<quoted text> “It will look like “the end” for a few years”
( unquote)

You do realize that you are measuring the end by man’s sense of time, correct?……120 years may seem like a long time to us. To Jehovah its not even 5 seconds.

120 years is 6 generations.


Yes, but 120 years since the last days were marked.

yep, 1914.

We are down to 17 years now….

Now you know I have problems with the GB thing, but not Russell, Rutherford or Franz, so 1914 is a Divine Sacred Date for all time to come, Jesus received his God’s Kingdom [temporary] Kingship in that year, NINETEEN FOURTEEN, that is all true and here to stay FOREVER.

But, as JWs know “the God of heaven will set up a KINGDOM [Messianic] that will not be brought to ruin” (Dan2:44), and that KINGDOM, the Kingdom of Christ, the Messianic Kingdom was only “born” in 1914.

The Messianic Kingdom is STILL in development, STILL maturing as we speak, it is “cut from” God’s Kingdom, but it is the “Kingdom of David” covenant Kingdom with Christ, as KING of kings IN THE FUTURE–When it COMPLETES as Revelation 14:1.

And that Kingdom Messianic will also receive a KINGDOM PROCLAMATION. (Rev10:11) THAT is why there are TWO “witnesses”. And that will come when the tribulation coming up is ending and heading into the global “healing” of Revelation 13:3.

The time left remaining, though not too long, is sufficient to give that final “Kingdom Proclamation” to the powers that be and the world.

God gave us the 120 years hint in Genesis 6:3 and then he gave us 1914 so we can do the EASY MATH of what we are talking about here: 2034. No, it is not the “day and the hour”, BUT it is CLOSE ENOUGH for salvation of many come Revelation 14:1-8 in everyone’s faces worldwide.

We got time, not much, but enough. (Isa38)

and some people actually worship many gods and many lords
But we know that there is only one God, the Father, who created everything, and we live for him. And there is only one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom God made everything and through whom we have been given life.
I do NOT see Christ arguing Trinity myths with interested people or his disciples NOT ONCE int he entire Bible record of his preaching work.

You are presenting your own agenda.

“The end” is NOT near. Here is why:

1. All major apostasies are in prophecy; (Dan8:12, Dan11:32-35) JWs are UN NGO marked as the “transgression causing desolation” in Daniel 8:13 activating Matthew 24:15 NOW. (Flee JW Org while you still can)

2. JWs are NOT a “final warning” but a sign now in their UN allied apostasy and lawlessness in many ways; JWs are in sins, reproach which negates the warning validity because God does NOT use lawlessness to issue a warning, but only as a SIGNAL to be on the watch for. (2Thess2:1-4; Zech3:3)

3. The prophecy now in action has not been explained at global scale, in fact, GB is covering it all app as per Daniel 8:12b as JWs follow suit; Thus, the truly final warning will use the JW Org prophecy of UN sins and downfall as its chapter 1 proof and it has to go on several years from that Rev10-11 point. There MUST be a “temple cleansing” BEFORE the final warning emerges. (Dan8:14)

4. World government will complete and destroy global religions, GUARANTEED; and that in global “healing” fully functional and “wor;d peace” blathering form. (Rev13:3; 1Thess5:1-3).

Well people, NONE of the above steps can be shorter than two years. And more than probable each of the above steps, actually in prophecy, timed prophecy, are at least 3 years. (Dan8:14; Dan12:7; Dan12:11)

Add in some transitions between the TIMED phases and we have 15 years minimum from JW Org marked downfall event(s) to world government which triggers the Christ arrival, wrapped up by 2034. (Gen6:3; Isa38)
[QUOTE who=”I_know_better_now “]I say this for your own good. If you serve Jehovah or you are trying to, you should not be here. The reason is, after observing things here for quite a long time. I believe this is more than just a forum this is an operation to break the morale of TRUE JW’s.. It is not the TIME to let this happen to yourselves.. We are closer to the end than ever. You are better off being alone than encircled by agents of evil on here. Spend your time in Bible reading and research to bolster your faith and prayer. You will not get that here.. These people are not who you think they are. They are many of them long time agents here to tear down the morale of good people.. Think of this as an operation from the beast to aggressively spread the mark. You want nothing of the sort… Spotless and unblemished is what you want![/QUOTE]

Matthew 24:15 says to flee the JW Org when they placed the UN NGO “disgusting thing” and silenced the fact the 3rd UN presentation of 1990 is Daniel 11:31b.

Instead, THEY will certainly place the disgusting thing and the GB played their part by placing it IN the JW ministry.

Now, Daniel 8:13-14 is coming upon JW Org in the Daniel 11:41-43 global context. At least here you can get the story of how the GB is the final “man of lawlessness” (Dan11:32a; 2Thess2:1-4)

You are just sounding like a paranoid losing it more and more every day because JW Org now vanquishes holy spirit as you share in their ENORMOUS UN and other sins IN FULLY KNOWLEDGEABLE FORM.

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Even if the GB has messed up. JW’s are not in the race for life for the GB. The GB is merely supposed to be helpers of the Sheep. [/QUOTE]

Open your eyes men, the GB has become a God dishonoring IDOL. They used Fred Franz good reputation to slip into the JW Cafeteria and serve up UN Camel, while they have JWs hunting gnats hither and thither as the “sleight of hand”.

The GB even has gone to far as to JUDGE THEMSELVES as “Faithful Slave” as the “lift themselves over everyone” “in the temple of the God” right in global public view and record fulfilling 2Thess2:3-4 right in asleep JWs faces.

The GB have removed God and Christ from the salvation equation and you think they are going to get away with that?


Daniel 8:13-14 Zech3:1-5; Rev8:1-8; Isa66:6; Matt22:1-14

Welcome to the Matthew 22 JW Org “City of Murderers” you are here defending and sharing sin with.

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ihv actually vs 1 only says it was given to john… doesnt say to whom
14:6-7 happens when? check your bible


Revelation 1:1

“…to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass”

His servants know who the Revelation is written to. The why is to become obvious as JW Org falls in Daniel 8:13-14.

Revelation 14:6-8 comes to pass in the future after 8th King world government completes as the Matthew 24:29-31 “gathering his chosen ones” completes in the 144000 completion first to then proceed to gather the rest of the earth sheep of Revelation 14:14-16. (Rev7:1-8)

Thus, as Babylon the Great is being destroyed by 8th King World Government to arrive in that final 1290 day timed process to Revelation 14:8, Christ in Full Kingdom Court position of Daniel 7:26 (Dan12:11) will arrive as by that time, fully, clearly, forewarned. (Rev10:11; Rev11:3)

Thus, as in Revelation 14:1 Christ will “stand on Mount Zion” in its spiritual meaning with the 144000 in Messianic Kingdom COMPLETION as the “King of kings” in the Messianic Kingdom yet to complete at this time.

Christ, as “King David” in that “Covenant for a Kingdom with David” process, being the “Son of David”, also arrives to render final judgment on BTG (Rev17:14-18; Rev18:8) from which judgment some stubborn sheep will fall “one tenth the [BTG] city fell” (Rev11:13) into SALVATION from BTG as it goes down under world government as those final sheep to accept that Revelation 14:6-7 offer. Ine and some cases, they are becoming sheep live and real-time during the Christ arrival process. (Matt25:31-40)

The fall of Babylon the Great is the final sheep impediment to fall, and that under full King North 8th King WORLD GOVERNMENT; many of God’s “my people” are now still in BTG and will remain there until it is destroyed because they are stuck as prisoners of Babylon.

JW Org is who goes down first and next; (Dan8:13-14; 1Pet4:17; Rev8:1-8; Zech3:1-5)

THEN the final warning to lead to world government and the Christ arrival it shall trigger will emerge fully explaining the JW Org UN NGO apostasy prophecy as its first chapter PROOF.

Revelation 1:1

“…to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass”

His servants know who the Revelation is written to. The why is to become obvious as JW Org falls in Daniel 8:13-14 prior to the final “SECOND witnessing” warning of the TWO witnesses for 1260 days, yet to emerge from the JW Org rubble in the future.

Revelation 14:6-8 comes to pass in the future AFTER 8th King world government completes as the Matthew 24:29-31 “gathering his chosen ones” completes in the 144000 completion first to then proceed to gather the rest of the earth sheep of Revelation 14:14-16. (Rev7:1-8; Matt25:31-40)

Thus, as Babylon the Great is being destroyed by 8th King World Government after the 1260 day truly final warning* to arrive in that final 1290 day timed process to Revelation 14:8, Christ in Full Kingdom Court position of Daniel 7:26 (Dan12:11) will arrive as by that time, fully, clearly, forewarned. (Rev10:11; Rev11:3)

Thus, as in Revelation 14:1 Christ will “stand on Mount Zion” in its spiritual meaning with the 144000 in Messianic Kingdom COMPLETION as the “King of kings” in the Messianic Kingdom yet to complete at this time.

Christ, as “King David” in that “Covenant for a Kingdom with David” process, being the “Son of David”, also arrives to render final judgment on BTG (Rev17:14-18; Rev18:8) from which judgment some stubborn sheep will fall “one tenth the [BTG] city fell” (Rev11:13) into SALVATION from BTG as it goes down under world government as those final sheep to accept that Revelation 14:6-7 offer. Ine and some cases, they are becoming sheep live and real-time during the Christ arrival process. (Matt25:31-40)

The fall of Babylon the Great is the final sheep impediment to fall, and that under full King North 8th King WORLD GOVERNMENT; many of God’s “my people” are now still in BTG and will remain there until it is destroyed because they are stuck as prisoners of Babylon.

JW Org is who goes down first and next; (Dan8:13-14; 1Pet4:17; Rev8:1-8; Zech3:1-5)

THEN the final warning to lead to world government and the Christ arrival it shall trigger will emerge fully explaining the JW Org UN NGO apostasy prophecy as its first chapter PROOF.

The GB will soon be done away with by God, they are our FINAL “man of lawlessness” apostasy SIGNAL. Now, comes the JW judgment with the global crash and world war of the “tribulation of those days”.

JWs are NOT in any Daniel 8:14 “right condition” at this time.

[*] Revelation 11’s “Seven times” completes as TWO witnessings, 1260 days 1914-1918 and the 1260 days of the future to complete 2520 days or “Seven Times” FINAL WARNING.

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Others may have *mental or emotional problems * that lead them to believe that they will rule with Christ in heaven. Therefore, the number of partakers does not accurately indicate the number of anointed ones left on earth.[/QUOTE]

They are “five foolish virgins” replacements to fill in for those corrupted by the GB apostasy. (Matt25:1-13) THAT is what this “increase” indicates: Judgment is coming on JWs FIRST; (Dan8:13-14; 1Pet4:17; Rev8:1-8)

God is going to NEED some NEWBIE anointed alternates, many JW anointed are going to be rejected for UN NGO and GB idol worship, etc, now rampant in the Lawless JW Organization.

“Crazy” don’t matter to God, they called Christ crazy as does this dirty and evil Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses viper pit UN NGOer ally gang of ministerial Korah USURPERS.

Daniel 8:13-14 and ts phased timings come next. Those events and their timing will mark the prophecy. Daniel 8:13-14 “right condition” is brought about upon the temple by the “fire” of Revelation 8:1-8 and Zechariah 3:2, a “fire” of purification and the JW Org apostates and infiltrators will be removed by the “Angel of the Covenant” and those, by then, easily provable events will be the final warning chapter one of the “little scroll” Sovereign Ultimatum of God’s Kingdom.

Recovered Jehovah’s witnesses will have to take part and “prophesy AGAIN with regard to many nations” of Revelation 10:11.

There is plenty of time left prior to 8th King King North World Government completion which is preceded by the final “sword stroke” cycle of Revelation 13:3.

That final Revelation cycle “seven trumpets” starts with the JW Org downfall of Daniel 8:13. THAT event phase is soon.
The strange development in JWs is an explicit prophecy (Dan11:30-35) that will affirm itself in the JW judgment of Daniel 8:13-14 because JWs are NOT in the “right condition”.

That affirmation BEGINS Revelation 8:1-8 as the Revelation final cycle fulfillment parallel.

These events when they have come to pass in their temple judgment purpose and timing in Daniel 8:13-14 will furnish chapter one of the final warning.

But rather than expose the Christendom apostasy we will have to expose our own as Jehovah’s witnesses.

The sooner you start, the better.

I tell people WHY JW Org has gone bad and that it is a prophecy in principle too at 2Thess2:1-4, Zech3:1-3, and Isaiah 28.

The “covenant with death” is that UN NGO, and it is also the Daniel 8:13 “transgression causing desolation”.

Face it now (Matt24:15), or face it later. (Isa66:6)

But FACE IT we must.
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Have you read Ezekiel where it talked about those who said Aha! when Jehovah’s people experienced calamity.. Do you know what Jehovah did to those who felt that way? He erased them.. You would do well to read up on that.. [/QUOTE]

Matthew 24:15 is the COMMAND of Christ to flee the UN NGO “disgusting thing”.

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Lets say even if infiltrators got in.. Maybe they have… But if Jehovah allows it it is for a reason..
2 Thessalonians 2:11-12 is the reason.

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That does not mean they are safe either. Who are you or I to deal with that? Does not Jehovah deal with matters HIS way?
Destroyer will deal with them 1150 days into Daniel 8:14 timing, BUT, he gives a fair warning before he drops in as in Isaiah 37. (Isa66:6; Matt22:1-14; Matt24:15)

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It does not matter what we want to do, what matters is what HE does. You can’t get that into your head.

Did you ever think that Jehovah may be waiting for the right time?

He will do Daniel 8:13 as the Revelation 8:1-8 to be thrown into the JW “earth” for purification. Jehovah’s “right time” is soon, but it is not “the end” (2Thess2:1-2) it is the Temple Judgment of Jehovah’s witnesses.

[QUOTE who=”I_know_better_now “]<quoted text>Your grabbing the Ark is stupid. Don’t even bother trying to incite me I have my mind made up. I know where I stand. Whatever Jehovah wants shall be done. Who am I to stand in the way? No one can change anything anyway.. It is what it is..
You can warn others rather than live in denial and resist the judgment revelation.

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I will not be a fool and start a rebellion against the Almighty’s congregation. Only and idiot who cares not of their future would do such.. Or a gov agent.. 😉

You have been fooled.
The JW congregation now works AGAINST the “Congregation of the Firstborn”, the congregation you think you speak of.
My initial apprehension in 2011-2012, was due to respect for the Governing Body because of brothers like Fred Franz. Then I realized the GB and Fred Franz were not the same thing. The GB came about by a corporate power grasp from 1970 to 1976 and Fred Franz did NOT agree with the move and him and Knorr either shut up and put up or go the route of Ray Franz who was a fall guy, and the Org would have been lost since 1976 100%, rather than 1992 100%, when Fred changed venue.

THAT was the purpose of axing Ray Franz; the other reason was to not base 607 BCE on Babylon “[[GENTILE]] times”, and make the Jerusalem 587-517 temple-destruction-to-temple-completion “seven times” known in the 80s, which is where the Ray Franz, Olof Jonsson discovery would have led, in time, keeping 607-1914 in tact with ZERO back end historic glitch.

World Government completion and stated “world peace” will trigger the Christ arrival, it is that simple.

The arrival of world government after the final sword stroke world war will be able to be seen by all, so they want JWs not saying that simple reality that world government completion triggers the Christ arrival and it takes the decade or so to progress there over 7th King, King South fall to 8th King, King North rise.

The King North globalist system UN event of 1990 would have had Fred Franz update Daniel 11 where King North must be 8th King parallel world government final development to UN 4, world government, in the future. But they killed Fred on the winter solstice for occult significance just as they killed Charles Russell on Halloween 1916. In fact, all WT presidents have been killed one way or another, direct, or by radiation poisoning. And all of them died, other than Knorr, as a world war period was active or ending. (With Fred it was the Cold World War ending, 3rd cycle UN event)

Now the goal is to head the JW Org and JWs into this Daniel 11:41-43 crash and world war cycle, crush the Org, and sell it to JWs as “the end of the world” for the JW paralyzing cover story; (in the events of Daniel 11:41, Daniel 8:13; Zech3:2; Rev8:1-8). In the meantime, they adjoined JWs to the UN System as UN DPI UN NGO, and they keep JWs all silent (Dan8:12b) on modern King North identity and world government development amidst many heavy sins like pedophilia protection policies.

The truth is the Governing Body never has been needed or a spiritual force in the ministry, they arrive in 1976, in fact it is the power grasping ILLEGAL entity we can now ID as the final “man of lawlessness” entity (Dan11:32a; 2Thess2:1-4) and lawless they are, JWs are just fooled by the plagiarism, suits and act. And they will attempt to aid the destruction of the JW Org and as many JWs as possible, hence Matthew 24:15 COMMAND of Christ to FLEE that UN NGO “disgusting thing” now placed in the “holy place” that is IN the anointed Christian temple and ministry in public global view that the GB merely hides and damage controls to aid keeping JWs IN the trap for the crash cycle.

Destroyer shall COMPLETELY remove them from “in the temple” (Zech3:5) by 3.19 years into the Daniel 8:13-14 events and timing of the temple judgment for purification to release the final totally harmonious, perfect and complete and updated FINAL OPEN SALVATION OFFER and sovereign warning of the Kingdom of God.

You will see all this occur. It is what it is, the final Revelation 8-11 prophecy cycle of the TWO witnessings, 1914-1918, future 1260 days, 2520 days “seven times” trampling allowance and warning. (Rev11:2; Luke21:24)

The boys at the water of life cooler, like Chuck and Fred, say hi.
There comes a time loyalty to an organization equates to disloyalty to God and Christ.

THE TIME HAS COME. It just took a while to develop in JWs, because the term “organization” was not stressed by either Russell or JFR, in fact Russell said be suspicious of “organization”.

After JFR died they started to apply the “right condition” of Daniel 8:14 to “theocratic organization”, though most JWs cannot explain a prophecy, they definitely cannot explain that one because it was back burner. (In 1999 Daniel book the reinvented it and slid it up in time from the 1958 interpretation to coincide with WW2’s timing.)

But “theocratic organization” was the buzzword, as “united nations organization” was also being pushed in the same era. ORGANIZATION

And that was the end. Once the “organization” made “theocratic” claims of divinity to the “organ” it became an idol, in time it became THE idol, the GB is the idol priests, the sideline is the UN NGO and child sacrifices to Molech by way of the pedophiles.

It could not be worse yet, but it will get even worse before the JW Org is trampled. That is, the real Daniel 8:13-14 will express itself on this rebellion in JWs.

JWs are NOT any ANY “right condition” at this time, but full blown idol apostasies and lawlessness the world is having a veritable field day with.
I_know_better_now wrote:
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Yet you hide in the darkness concealing your identity. If you are all in then let us see you! Let’s see who this is that wants a rebellion. This one that wants us to join in.. I don’t deny the art. I am waiting for the solution at the right time. But you want to run ahead. Well let us see who you are who knows you might get a following? If you really believe what you are saying then you should have no problem unveiling yourself. But if you are who I claim you are you will keep hiding in the shadows. Its what they do. Cause trouble from concealed places.. The cowardly way.
I seek no “followers”, I am just sounding the warning square in JW’s own prophecy. Matthew 24:15 is a command of Christ to FLEE the UN NGO “disgusting thing” the very second you see it.

In time, you shall understand why that flight was so important. A real warning is all this is concerning Daniel 8:13-14 which must now erupt fire on the apostate idol worshiping JW Organization.

The GB already taught us why NOT to seek any personal attention; listen to Christ, listen to God, study the prophecy, because that is all your going to get, and it is all we need anyways.

The GB eclipsed that simple truth, now they shall pass away.(Isa66:6) They sin against God as we speak and they lead JWs to share in it.(Dan11:32a)
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Templewhatshisname is spewing vomit. He knows the doctrine of some things but has been either thrown off course or has never really been on course.[/QUOTE]

JWs are off course, the prophecy has moved ahead and this explains it while honoring the original Fred Franz Revelation outline from God. It just all repeats, but to world government complete 8th King rather than the 1919 League of nations this time.

But, you may not recall or ever learned the 1260 days 1914-1918 purpose, like many of today’s JWs. That is what I mean by off course. If you have a calc exam coming up, you don’t want to come in 10 years later and think without a refresher your going to pass.

That is what this GB has done to JWs. The final exam is coming up, but JWs have been trained to not keep up with prophecy and modern global event studying.

[QUOTE who=”Jparkh81″]I believe everything is in the bible for a reason so if the 144k are from figurative Israel, why does John list 12 tribes? this would be quite meaningless if John was saying the are from figurative or spiritual Israel.[/QUOTE]

Because Israel is the base pattern for all the future developments under the 1000 year reign as Ezekiel 47-48 differs from both Genesis and Revelation’s “12 tribe” listing.

In the end the Matthew 19:28 “judge the 12 tribes of Israel”, as per Ezekiel 47, is ALL OF MANKIND, because the heavenly 12 tribes will be completed before Matthew 19:28 events, and need no judge at that time for they are perfected like Christ, the main pattern from Israel.

As Christ is the “Eternal father” of all mankind the Bride of Christ is the mother of the paradisiac “12 tribes” of all mankind.

[QUOTE who=”EL C – GSB”]<quoted text> Jesus was very simple and to the point in his teachings. Yet, quite profound when one finally gets the sense of what he’s stating. Perhaps, you have relied a bit too much on your own understanding of things and not on God’ s appointed servants. Not even they have gone as far as you have predicted in which way events will turn out.


How about waiting on Jehovah?

Why is that there is no common agreement among apostates?…..Why do all of you have your own theories?

What does Jesus state about those who leave him? Doesn’t he state they ate scattered?


If they were God’s they would speak the simple truth.

Complete World Government triggers the Christ arrival. The 8th King is King North as all sovereign prophecy ends at the same point: WORLD GOVERNMENT.

The global events that lead to world government is a final world war/crash “sword stroke” in some manner while JW Org goes down for 3.19 years minimum (Dan8:14) for sins of omission and UN NGO, JWs are recovered (Rev9; Zech3:4-9) by cleansing of the “Angel of the Covenant” to allow his arrival news to be taken global to the divine degree purposed for 1260 days which final warning (Rev11:2-3; Dan12:7) is ceased by then completing to complete world government.

EVERYONE can catch on when all that takes place over the next 15 years (Eze33:33), and it will be fully forewarned, Jehovah’s witnesses are cleansed and recovered for full at the course disclosures, the final warning is backed by these full admissions and prophecy timings.

[QUOTE who=”GreatSouthbay4040″]<quoted text> I do not have any knowledge how much they have in totality. Not my concern. I do know as an org they are blessed. Financially included.

Now, this is a bit out of the box……Have you ever thought that when the persecution comes. JW’s people may be charged exorbitant amounts of money for basic foodstuffs? If individual JW’s are out of work and stripped of their personal assets due to not having the mark of the beast. Guess who will pick up the tab on their basic needs? Do you really think Jesus will let his people starve?

Doesnt mean its accurate….Simply me speculating.

Temple….We really don’t know what is up ahead….How about we leave it to those he appointed?


I do know my k.h was recently renovated and it’ s absolutely beautifully done. Yet, modest at the same time. It was announced that others in my vicinty are on the list to be renovated.


Trust in JEHOVAH AND CHRIST because God is giving KN the ORG assets, it cannot be used as tainted as it is now and they finance the background stumbling campaign and have an external ring of illuminairies for JWs escaping.

They are MAKING SURE some of this JW money is being spent on direct technologies and operations of bloodshed, that money cannot be used any longer, but that is my opinion on Ezekiel 7:22.

You best trust in JEHOVAH, the org is useless for even survival much less salvation; they have gone way too far now, there is no going back in the current “a system of things” that now runs and sets up Bethel for a pillage, and that they KNOW God is allowing and requiring now. (Isa36:10; Dan8:11-14)

But we got Nahum 2:1 for some hope in the Dan8:11 “established place” possible recovery, the Dan11:30 now profaned “fortress” of the physical ministry now overrun by fakes as they excluded Christ’s real brothers from oversight for this pack of pedophile and UN NGO GB packers.

JEHOVAH will pick up the tab for faithful JWs, not the Org. The Org’s apostasy is about to come to the Matthew 13 “weed removal” END of the GB “a system of things” as Daniel 11:13-14 in the Daniel 11:41-43 global context.

At least when you finally have to accept that all this is the truth, MODERN UP TO DATE REALITY, you will be able to help JWs spiritually and tell them all that has been said here. At least you will know what is up, in detail.

It is coming, all truth messengers are at first doubted and maligned, no biggie, it is just the same with JWs when their sins are exposed, they react as Israel or Christendom because it is all the same Adamic flesh. No biggie, God’s temple judgment comes anyways. (Dan8:13-14; Zech3:1-9; Rev8:1-8; 1Pet4:17)

You will also know where we are square one Revelation 8 temple judgment prophecy, and when that much comes true the rest of Revelation 9-11 is where it is going.

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Is Alex Jones really warning people or is he announcing it? Think about it if it was not for AJ most people would not even know of the NWO.. He actually announced it to the world so who’s cause did he really help? The peoples or the NWO’s? The NWO would never have made the progress it did if it wasn’t for AJ.. [/QUOTE]

That tells us how close we are to world government after the world war crash cycle sword stroke.

BUT, we are supposed to be connecting ALL LIVE AND REAL-TIME to prophecy so everyone is not in the dark. Yes, these guys are acclimating people to the NWO world government concept from the periphery, so that by the time world government does come people will think it was their own idea, like it had always been there. (Rev13:3; Rev17:8-12)

They will celebrate the 666 globally like some post WW2 ticker tape parade. (Rev13:3)

That is to be expected in Revelation 13:3. But the 7 headed ultimately 8 world power prophecy is that the Scarlet Wildbeast 8th King as a WHOLE is world government, and JWs have been taking people through the seven world powers to get to Anglo America national power and even the globalist UN image but JWs will not complete the mission to FULLY EXPLAIN the symbols in prophecy FOR OUR TIME. And now that even the globalists are outlining it via Alex Jones types, JWs are still “mums the word”, our KN GB does not want us to utter a peep.

So, here is what JWs are now OMITTING from the ministry by silence:

1. UN 1990 was as foretold as League 1919 and UN 1945 at Daniel 11:30-35;

2. The USSR nor any national power canNOT be King North, ONLY 8th KIng world government will be true King North. King North is globalist, King South is nationalist.

3. King South must fall first as the 7th King “sword stroke” on that head in the near future, King South ends rule.

4. Thus, the “two-horned wildbeast” is a separate wildbeast as Anglo-American GLOBALIST elite system.

5. Daniel 2 “immense image”, Daniel 8 “King of Fierce Countenance”, Daniel 11 King North, Revealtion 17 8th King, Daniel 7 4th beast are ALL co-terminus as the same WORLD GOVERNMENT SYMBOL in completion a number of years from now, the big 666 global campaign in full force.

6. We are at the final “sword stroke”, just as world war 1 led to the League of Nations presentation this last sword stroke will precede and heal into WORLD GOVERNMENT with the UN as the Executive Branch nucleus image and the rest of the globalist elite corporate, financial and military system as the power system.

7. Then BTG is destroyed after they have endorsed the beast and rode in on it.

Thus, we are NOT at the end, that is the cover story because as the GB silences all the now easy-to-see above truths “throwing truth to the ground” (Dan8:12b) PLAIN AS DAY IN PROPHECY, they tell JWs it “can end any day now brothers” when in reality we got a few years for this to run its full course.

They tell JWs it is “the end” (2Thess2:1-2) so they can crunch the org and use that hoax prophecy fulfillment deception to smokescreen it all so JWs just accept it, then they abandon JWs to the tribulation with nary a clue what is really going on due to this silence.

But it will just be Daniel 8:13-14 TEMPLE JUDGMENT which unleashes Revelation 8 which STARTS the entire Revelation 8-11 final seven trumpets IN THE FACE cycle which will see everything including the good news final warning summary COMPLETE. (Rev10:5-8)

Jesus doesn’t arrive until that world government is completed, ready, stated in “world peace” and “security” as their final mantra and fully forewarned in up to date clean manner. (Rev11:3; Zech3:4-9)

JWs are avoiding all this truth as this time to vacation with the KN+GB frauds of Revelation 2:2, Daniel 11:32a.

[QUOTE who=”Jparkh81″]Lets try this JW’s:

If being from Israel is figurative then both the great crowd and the 144k are from all tribes and nations. How is that not a distinction without a difference?[/QUOTE]
Unlike the “great crowd” which just showed up in the first century in Revelation, “Israel” has been the primary symbol since Genesis, it is the route of the Genesis 3:15 “seed” of Messiah and it is comprehensively part of the Hebrew scripture plot and so its symbology is far more important than the “great crowd” as far as the whole Bible theme of God’s Kingdom development in world history to continue through the 1000 years and into all eternity.

[QUOTE who=”Jparkh81″]If the 144k are not defiled by the world and neither is the great crowd, how is that not a distinction without a difference?[/QUOTE]
The “great crowd” are the ones who “wash their robes in the blood of the lamb” and must be “guided to the waters of life” as still sinful being transformed into perfection. The 144,000 when in complete immortal spirit form are as perfect as Christ their main pattern and “brother”.

[QUOTE who=”Jparkh81″]You say the great crowd is on earth because they are “Before the throne” well so is the 144k Rev14:5 so either they are both on earth or both in heaven. [/QUOTE]
By that time the Messianic Kingdom 144,001 including King of kings Christ will be right in the atmosphere and materiality of Earth conquering with Christ (Rev17:14), so that is fitting even if the are immortal spirit beings as Christ is the first.

[QUOTE who=”Jparkh81″]Come on JW’s if you do not have good answers for these then you have to admit that the teachings might be wrong, if your honest with yourselves.
Might be wrong, so you “might be wrong” considering JWs have preached exactly what God is up to in Kingdom “good news” even if they have gone bad, it is the usual route of God’s imperfect servants other than Jesus Christ.
The JW Revelation understanding for Witness [1] of the TWO is accurate. The Witness [2] final warning will just reiterate and repeat the same message but based on the JW Judgment of Daniel 8:13-14=Rev8:1-8 as its main live fulfillment precursor event.

Global apology and full disclosure for sins against humanity, Jehovah’s witnesses, anointed, Christ and God.

What God does with the “organization” is up to him, the main problem will be gone. (Zech3:5; Isa66:6)

Daniel 8:13-14

Then issue the preview of the final warning because the JW apostasy and UN alliance is a prophecy whose temple judgment portion results in the “temple cleansing” and the removal and exposure of the “man of lawlessness” in its JW form in the GB and WTS aids.

The faster JWs repent and apologize the sooner God will bring them from “abyss” of Revelation 9, this anti-JW-apostasy “fire” is the ones in Revelation 8, Zechariah 3:2 and Malachi 3:1-5.

It is coming soon.

Then those in Christendom will get the preview to come on JW Org of what will come on Christendom, but in totally destructive form, under the 8th King World Government which Christendoom shall ride in on as their part in Babylon the Great in around 15 years or so.
Daniel 8:13-14 fulfills on JW Org first, it activates Revelation 8:1-8. BTG is not the priority until after the world war, they need religious hatred to aid the social war with Islam Jihad and they need the counter “Christian Crusade” to run while they bring Russia and China on their knees into WORLD GOVERNMENT.

King South is the national system priority to come down in the “sword stroke” world war and controlled global crash cycle coming up as King North globalism goes into zenith true globalization “gather the nations” completion. That sword-stroke “heals” into world government and this will take around 15 more years to run the full seven trumpet course of prophecy the JW Org downfall will START.

“Signs seen in sun, moon and stars” are symbolic of people seeing governments, institutions and “stars” among the people in “anguish of nations not knowing the way out” so King North 8th King WORLD GOVERNMENT will be their supposed “godsend” “way out” but it is all designed for many people to willingly accept the 666 (Rev13:3; Rev17:8-12) and by force. (Rev13:15-18)

This is the final cycle, this eclipse is just like any other eclipse, just an eclipse, nothing more.
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ihv dont do links but let me quote them on this at one time
1/15/71 Watchtower pp. 63
“Can it be stated flatly that only baptized Witnesses of Jehovah will survive Armageddon? Yes, with a few exceptions!

havent heard of any changes to this teaching… they were probably putting fear into studies about amragheddon in 75


Then again you have not been listening for any changes “to this teaching”.

The teaching has changed after 2012 to the view some in BTG are saved, the Judgment is up to God for everyone else was in print after 2010.

You’ll have to dig to find it though, but it is there. One of them was in a “What is Armageddon” side box.

Since today’s JWs are in-1-ear-out-the-other you never know what individual JWs may believe. Romans 2 is the key for everyone else, Revelation 14:6-8 for the “1/10″ of BTG as per Revelation 11:13.

So, you are presenting what is known as slander.

[QUOTE who=”dlmacoop”]Pure speculation. Not a shred of evidence any of that is true.

JW’s are the only group who champion God’s name and preach the same kingdom message Jesus did. That stuff merely attempts to obscure their work.

Funny how detractors said crazy empty lies about Jesus too.[/QUOTE]

All the former valid ministries went astray. The JW one has to do the same because all the divine prophecy cycles take time to play out and they all begin with the “house judgment” first, that is God judges his own temple first so the prophecy can be recognized at inception so the final warning it is leading to becomes easy to comprehend, track and relate to the world as God says to JWs “you MUST prophesy AGAIN to many nations” as Revelation 10:11; any JW not wanting to do this can join the hypocrites. (Matt24:13)

The JW Org downfall is for many good reasons, JWs started to blow their own trumpt so God will now blow his seven trumpets to the world government and Christ arrival via a world war “sword stroke” that heals into the complete 8th King scarlet wildbeast.

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You’re a strange one. One who supposedly cares about Jehovah but also wants to see his human subjects fail. You want them to suffer. What kind of a christian would want this? Think about this people who pray to and dedicated their lives to Jehovah and trust him the best they can and you think Jehovah will drop them as if he never knew them??? Do you realize how you paint Jehovah? As a distant disloyal person. One who cares nothing for his servants. Where have we seen this before? Ah, with Job and his false comforter friends they accused Job of doing something wrong as if Job just dropped him for the things he suffered.. You are doing the same. You should be cheer-leading for JW’s instead you want to see them fail.. Bad move! [/QUOTE]

It failed before I was saying anything about it. If you were paying attention you would see it is a prophecy which begins the final cycle and what the prophecy says and what JWs say are two different things.

JWs are being led into a “the end” HOAX to take advantage of them.

Daniel 8:13-14 begins as Revelation 8:1-8 and it will proceed from there through all seven trumpets.

The prophecy describes that after JWs are tossed overbiard like Jonah, he will appoint a “fish” to swallow them which is the “abyss” state of Revelation 9.

Then Jehovah will spit them up on the shores of Globalist Nineveh and Revelation 10:11 will be the task.

JWs have not been faithful they joined the Daniel 8:13 UN NGO to commit the “transgression causing desolation”, but the GB takes most of the blame, they will stay in the fish.

You are the one continually refusing to see the bigger picture of the temple judgment purpose and until you do you won’t be helping JWs but aiding their darkness.

This is what the prophecy outlines for the next 15 years or so:

Final Prophecy Continuum (Gauged on Seven Trumpets by Temple Judgment Time, Takes More Than a Decade from Temple Judgment Time)

We are Here:

I. Apostasy, Judgment, Accounting and Recovery of Jehovah’s Witnesses

Now: JW inspection (completing or complete; Zech3:1-5; 2Thess2:1-4);

Now: Bethel Apostasy and Lawlessness Signal of Judgment; (2Thess2:1-12; Zech3:1-3; Dan8:11-12; Dan11:30-35);


Temple Judgment Context of Daniel 11:42-43, Daniel 8:13-14

1. “Tribulation of those Days” Context Begins; (Matt24:15; Dan8:13; Dan11:41 (now), 42-43 (soon); Dan21:1b); Sword stroke of Rev13:3 initial context Dan11:41-43

2. 8th King Activates Daniel 11:42-45 Final Cycle; (Rev16:13-16; Rev17:11-18);

A. Daniel 11:42-45 Must Converge with Daniel 12 Final Fulfillment;

3. Jehovah’s Witnesses Temple Judgment Starts (1Pet4:17; Mal3:1-5; Dan8:13-14; Rev8:1-6; Matt25:1-13);

A. Temple is Desolated, Purified (Zech3:4-5) and Recovered (Rev9): Daniel 8:14 “Right Condition” Temple Purification Reached; (Dan8:13-14);

II. Recovery, Final Commission, Final Warning, Learning Application

1. Final Kingdom Ministry Commission; (Rev9-11; Zech3:6-7; Matt24:45-47);

2. Final Kingdom Invitation and Warning Deploys; (Rev9, Rev 11:1-6);

3. “Tribulation of Those Days” “Sword Stroke” Context Ends (Matt24:29; Isa41:1) into:

A. Final Kingdom Warning Ceased; (Rev11:7-10; Dan11:44);

III. Rival World Government Completions of 8th King

1. World Government – National Sovereign Conglomeration Completes into 8th King World Government; (Rev16:12-16; Rev 17:11-18); BTG to be deposed before full “world peace” of 1Thess5:1-3;

A. 8th King World Government World “Peace and Security” and World Recovery; (Dan8:25; 11:44-45; 12:11; 1Thess5:1-3 globally stated world peace sovereignty; Dan8:25 “freedom from care” parallel; Isa41:1 world recovery);

2. Christ Arrival; Anointed Sheep Gathering, Earth Sheep Last* (Dan12:1, Matt24:29-31; 25:31-46; Rev11:11-13; Rev19:11-16; Rev1:7; Rev6:12-17);

A. Christ Completes Messianic Kingdom 144000; (Rev11:11-12; Rev7:1-8; Rev14:1);

B. Christ Messianic Kingdom King-Priest Coronation; (Zech4:6-9; 6:9-15; Dan7:26);

(All the following takes place under complete Messianic Kingdom “Court” of Daniel 7:26:)

C. Babylon the Great Deposed; (Rev16:17-19; Rev17:15-18; Rev14:8);

D. *Sheep Gathering/Goat Determination Finalized; (Mat24:31-46; Rev14:14-20);

3. Armageddon; 8th King Deposition and Messianic Kingdom Conquest; (Rev11:15; Rev19:19-21);

4. Christ’s Messianic Kingdom 1000 Years Rule

[QUOTE who=”Super Glue”]Why would say of a religion to which over 90% of the doctrines are wrong? Would you pass this religion even to your worst enemy? If you are a loving person, you won’t pass that religion to even your worst enemy. Then Why do JWs go door to door preaching the Watchtower when they know over 90% of the Watchtower doctrines are DEAD WRONG?[/QUOTE]

Actually, it is 90% right. That.t is why God sends it forth. The 10% wrong, well some of it is worse than wrong it is idolatry and blasphemy. So, when God fixes that 10% it too will become a global prophecy as Daniel 8:13-14 on JW Org apostasy will be Revelation 8:1-8 sparking up Revelation 9-11 through the world war “sword stroke” to healing into world government to Christ arrival and the final warning which will emerge before they complete the world government.

Stay as you are doing tuned in on JWs, keep JWs on your spiritual radar system, much more is on the way. The JW blip will crash and burn, then you will hear the final bleep bleep bleep as the final warning must emerge from Jehovah’s witnesses then back in the Daniel 8:14 “right condition”.

[QUOTE who=”I_know_better_now “]I think it’s time for me to leave this forum to leave you agents to argue with yourselves. I firmly believe many here are agents carrying out the agenda you have been assigned. It ultimately will NOT succeed. [/QUOTE]

The prophecy states they will succeed:

Daniel 8:12 Because of [JW] rebellion, a [JW] host, together with the [JW] daily sacrifice, will be given over [to the enemy system]. The [globalist 8th] horn will throw truth to the ground and will be successful in whatever it does.

Daniel 11:36b He will be successful until the time of wrath is completed, for what has been determined must take place.

But the success in the JW apostasy they lead through the GB:

Daniel 11:32a With [GB] flattery [King North] will corrupt those who have violated the covenant.

But overall it leads to the Daniel 8:13-14 temple judgment, cleansing and final warning, so their success is permitted for a reason: For Christ to conquer them under full Kingdom arrival power.

[QUOTE who=”frgoad “]I grew up believing in the immortal soul idea.And only recently started believing in soul sleep.So i have been going board to board asking both sides what they think.So far i like what it says in daniel 12:2 [/QUOTE]

This is beacuse people see the “physical” body and due to the “matter” it is composed of they imagine there has to be “another part”, a spirit or a soul. Yet soul and spirit are in themselves different.

Well the “body” is composed of sub-atomic parts which make up atoms which make up molecules which make up cells which comprise all “parts” of a human’s physical body. The atoms are all divine energy packets, the source energy of them comes from God’s power as does this whole physical universe.

So, even the “matter” that makes up a body is dynamic energy which people often refere to as “dust” once decomp is complete. So, even the physical body is an amazing set of energies and power fields for the human arrangement, even an animal, is a very complex, energy filled, alive “body” which is then called a “soul” by God when the spirit is still causing life to be in that body. They cannot be dvided up for a human or animal, it is the whole soul, the defined being known by God created by God and purposed by God to LIVE, so even its “death” is unnatural. (Heb2:14)

Don’t be fooled the body of dust is actually full of invisible energies well beyond the minds of men. God has to put LIFE in it AS IT IS FORMED from conception, but it is a suitable “container” for that LIFE, for it is ONE WHOLE, the being cannot exist divided from an action of death. It merely ceases to exist like the day before it was conceived and it will be restored by God under the 1000 year reign of Christ whether man or animal or plant. (Ezekiel 47)

Christ EMPTIES BOTH “Death” AND “Hades”, so it is a BIG LIFE OPERATION. (Matt19:28; Rev21:1-5)
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ALL the other groups have their version of a Watchtower magazine. It doesn’t replace the bible , merely helps them study it.[/QUOTE]

In fact, the other “Bible Students” have the “Herald Magazine” that is ALREADY preparing their flock to believe globalist 8th King world governemnt is “God’s Kingdom” and not the wildbeast and its 666 requirement it will become:

How the Bible Students Sell 666 World Government

Now Bible Students are very interesting because they teach the tribulation does resolve, and that into world government:

“Brexit” Shocks the World

“”The separation of populations was useful during the past 4000 years. Nations guarded themselves against each other. Language barriers kept people close to those of like tongue. With the advent of mass transportation, national barriers began to break down, and in the past two centuries many barriers have been removed. Zephaniah prophesied of this, “My determination is to gather the nations, that I may assemble the kingdoms” (Zephaniah 3:8).

In this prophecy, Zephaniah says this gathering of peoples precedes the trouble that will consume governments replacing them with a beneficial world government established by Jehovah through Christ and his Church. The confusion that has existed since Babel will be removed. Attempts to establish a unified society will be superseded by a truly beneficial world-wide rule.

Whether literal, figurative, or both, Jehovah says that in the kingdom, all will learn a new language, “Then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve him with one consent” (Zephaniah 3:9). The message of divine grace and truth then promulgated will be pure. It will bring rich blessings to all who receive it. Let us look forward to that day of true unification!””

Today in Prophecy – September/October 2016

Think that is good?===
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They preach the same kingdom message as Jesus did.
They make known his father’s name as he did.
They preach publicly as Jesus did.

Who else does those things?[/QUOTE]

It is all distracted into GB and JW Organ worship now.

[QUOTE who=”dlmacoop”]They are politically neutral as he was.[/QUOTE]

Not anymore. They endorsed the UN as UN NGO in 1991 rather than tell people the 3rd UN event of 1990 is Daniel 11:31 and that “King North” must be world government when complete. Bunch of sell outs in the GB went to curry wildbeast favor by silencing all that as they piled in 20 more billion since 1990.

Now JWs “ride the beast” with the rest of that forlorn Christendom crew in BTG.

[QUOTE who=”dlmacoop”]They baptize by immersion as Jesus did.[/QUOTE]

Sorry, they now baptize people in the name of the Organization and its GB mediators. Poor guys, they are going to be toast when Daniel 8:13 hits them in the face with the “fire” that cannot be quenched. Poor literal abandoned blasphemers tha they are.

[QUOTE who=”dlmacoop”]They rely heavily on God’s Word as Jesus did.[/QUOTE]

Nope. JWs “wait on the GB” and tell everyone they “wait on Jehovah” as JWs are the number one hypocrite crew of all BTG now. JWs are what the Un Elites call “the new girl on the street”, UN harlots now.

Things have radically changed in the JW ministry. But as Daniel 8:12 says it was “gradually given over”, so few JWs have caught on.
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In the 4 gospels, Jesus refers to the words “save” “saved” and “salvation ” a combined 52 times.
He refers to the “kingdom of God” over 120 times.

What was most important to Jesus is the same with the witnesses. God’s Kingdom is the only hope for mankind. [/QUOTE]

Herald Magazine:

“”In this prophecy, Zephaniah says this gathering of peoples precedes the trouble that will consume governments replacing them with a beneficial world government established by Jehovah through Christ and his Church. The confusion that has existed since Babel will be removed. Attempts to establish a unified society will be superseded by a truly beneficial world-wide rule.

Whether literal, figurative, or both, Jehovah says that in the kingdom, all will learn a new language, “Then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve him with one consent” (Zephaniah 3:9). The message of divine grace and truth then promulgated will be pure. It will bring rich blessings to all who receive it. Let us look forward to that day of true unification!””

As we see in the above the other “Bible Students” have been controlled to start to tell people even now, that Globalist World Government is “God’s Kingdom”. THAT is a LIE!

While Jehovah’s witnesses do know and say God’s Kingdom is the only hope for mankind, they are not being vocal and explaining the reality of the counterfeit “Kingdom of God”, and that the 8th King/King North will be assuming the role real world government after this next “time of trouble”, and they will say they are “God’s Kingdom”, which is a LIE.

JWs have been controlled to sin by omission, they now SAY NOTHING of latest prophecy progress from the ministry.===
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Now when you’re talking about “annihilation” of a COUNTRY, you’re talking about millions of innocent people having to pay for the actions of their RULERS. Not sure God would be cool with THAT, but maybe He’d be cool with the annihilation of the REGIME, avoiding the wholesale slaughter of civilians already suffering from years of poverty and oppression.

Just my thoughts



National governments have been setup by God as per Romans 13. They, though neutralized have the opportunity, like anyone else, to accept the Revelation 14:6-8 offer and that when Christ is present with 1000 billion angels to complete the ministry humans “by no means” can complete. (Matt10:23)

The sovereign claimant entity God has NOT sanctioned from this sea of imperfection is WORLD GOVERNMENT, which Satan is “gathering the nations” into by means of a globalization process to culminate into world government.

Though nations “horns” will participate the national groups can be spared in those repentant as Christ annihilates his “Global NATO” backing entity of world governments for at that time Russia and China and the rest will be globalized to the “place called Har Magedon”.

World government is what is planning to exterminate billions of people as per the dictate on the “Georgia Guidestones” erected by the globalists as a hint of what is to come under “four winds” of 8th King world government.

But God has appointed Christ to save a “great crowd that no man can number”, so God is out to save humans, only wicked jerks shall be exterminated. If you are a wicked jerk then worry, if not speak the truth of Revelation 14:6-8 and that ANYONE can be saved at that time if they choose Christ as the “King of kings” appointed by God as world ruler, even universal, even heaven temporarily.

The NWO is who will attempt to destroy billions during the Daniel 8:25 “freedom from care” world “peace and security” (1Thess5:1-3) recovery after this coming global sword stroke “heals” into said world government which misled JWs are, by the way, dead silent on.

[QUOTE who=”dlmacoop”]One thing we all want….. is for God to hurry up and step in

Very common mistake is to fix a date.

Millerites did it.
Dozens of Advent groups in the 1800s.
Early JWS
Even Jesus’ apostles said “Lord, are you restoring the kingdom to Israel at this time?’
(Hoping he rid them of the Roman Army)[/QUOTE]

Matthew 24:13 states the one who endures to the end will be saved. Running the full course of the prophecy is how God can clue in many people that world government is the key rival entity that will trigger the Christ arrival for the counter-rebuke of all time.

To get to world government we have a world war and a temple judgment cleansing to run first, then a healing and a final warning and finally, world government whom BTG and the churches will endorse to their own destruction as corporations, but as per Revelation 14:6-8 and Revelation 11:13 anyone can be saved up to the last second of the 1290 days of Daniel 12:11 where it ends for the rivals.

People have many more amazing things to see including the Ezekiel 38:7 entry of Satan as the final “Christ arrival” decoy, in any event, mind blowing will be this world war and this sword stroke it is heals into world government just as Revelation 13:3 stated for 1900 years.

Daniel 8:13-14 is the first wake up call in a Haggai 2:7 global rocking context. (Dan11:41-43)

[QUOTE who=”jace”]Nothing is as funny as watching politics being discussed on a jw forum by folks supporting “some” of the wt teachings
While condemning others –who like them–Don’t buy everything they sell down at the hall.

Enjoyed the back and forth discussion about politics

So many jw just want to be able to openly engage in the very conversation that we see here

See it’s not even an issue of agreeing or not —-But the FREEDOM to express how one feels something a jw can’t do

It’s a shame that the only way a jw can discuss his true political feelings is to SNEAK and hide and talk to ” APOSTATES”
I love telling nonjw this is the life so many jw like we see here many times

It’s just good to see at the end if the day

“Politics” is a tricky quagmire, if you are somehow suggesting the idiots on MSNBC or the quasi-informed in the world will somehow engage in worthwhile political debates. LOL

Geo-politics is where it is at and George Will missed that class. That being the case any guess is as good as MSNBC BRAINWASH PROPAGANDA can offer as they say they are “news” but they are molders of public opinion.

In any event, the scale to which they are villainizing Trump you KNOW he is a fall guy being set up with the complete globalist media system engineering the propaganda for the UNINFORMED mass mind, to lead them where they will in the world war crash cycle.

Politics itself is a meaningless distraction of social engineering forms which are now fully hybridized for other social control objectives. In other words, it is all just a big distraction and vehicle for mass propaganda.

I_know_better_now wrote:
Then we have TempleMicrowave right there the intentions of this individual are open for all to see he wants true worship destroyed.. Just in line for the agencies against God’s will. They figure iof they can stop God’s temple arrangement they can stop the anointed.. Well sorry won’t happen Jehovah can still move forward whatever happens HE is in control not you. So this little TM is of the same group. This little agent also goes to the market, all sharing maybe the same water cooler.
Kook, the GB ALREADY destroyed true worship. I’m just warning you about what God shall do to them in Daniel 8:13-14. Love the GB then go down with them. Love Jehovah then stay the course fled from Jerusalem, Matthew 24:15-16.

I tell the whole prophecy which is in this order: JW apostasy to judgment to cleansing recovery to final warning to world government to BTG down all through a world war-to-healing process;— world government triggers the Christ arrival.

Very simple really, you help keep JWs down by telling them everything is just so fine and dandy up at hiddenWienerville with your UN-NOGOer and pedophile “brothers”.
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I really don’t understand the definition of a “true” wittness please elaborate thanks. I left and it is not my job to police anyone that is just my opinion. I’m quite worried for them and asked them to get help they know they have a problem. quite frankly from what I have personally seen in private and public with them its really scary. I am surprised that they have not kicked her out it has to be the connections the family she married in have.[/QUOTE]

Rehab is the solution if one cannot quit on their own, which is difficult. BUT, the problem is the person has to make the decision within themselves to be done with it, and that takes support and most importantly suggesting it. Because, believe it or not, some people have not been reminded it is the only option at some point.

All you can do is suggest a positive option at this point.

A “true witness” is a “tattle tale”, they tow the party line of GB authority to lawless degrees of policing. Matthew 24:15 that UN locale, strange things are coming on the JW org, it is infected from within, hence Matthew 24:15 command of Christ to flee such a development as modern JWs have on their hands. Plain and simple, they really do not care because they view an outcast from the group as “Gehenna bound” already, so it is an easy copout to make that the extent of their caring. Of course that is all baseless assumption much like the Catholic church used for 1500 years merely disguised with different syntax. It is the SAME monster.

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Did you come up with that year based on birth years of Abel or Seth? 🙂


We don’t know the day or hour, but we know the season.

Romans 13:11 And do this because you know the season, that it is already the hour for you to awake from sleep, for now our salvation is nearer than at the time when we became believers. [/QUOTE]

As the day draw near and the final cycle prophecy of seven trumpets repeating for the “secobnd witnessing” of the TWO witnesses of Revelation 11 for a final 1260 days, the final indications will be as plain as the writing on the wall of Daniel’s time for ANYONE willing to accept the message.

As we proceed it is going to get clearer and clearer that world government is actually coming, will complete and what it will trigger will get obvious because God purposes the salvation of many from the hands of the world government “final solution” agenda.

We got time, not much, but enough; It BEGINS with Daniel 8:13-14 for a good timed provable verifiable prophecy for Trumpet 1, Revelation 8:1=8 which cleansing “fire of the altar” is to become “hurled” into JW “earth”.

Yes, we shall know the season, good point. We will know more than that as those final seven trumpet round proceeds, as Abaddon comes into the Temple FIRST. (Zech3:1-1; Mal3:1-5; Isa6; 1Pet4:17)

All prophetic drama will stay centered on JWs for bad and good. The final warning has to come from that location but under new management and in a cleansed state of Zechariah 3:4-9. The final updates will emerge with that Revelation9/Ezekiel37 recovery and final warning.

Keep JWs on your spiritual radar, we got a Daniel 11:41-43 completing world war/crash “sword stroke” on the way. (Revelation 13:3; Isaiah 41) The modern JW ministry silence and sinfest ain’t cutting it at this time. (Dan8:14)

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Think about it. Though imprecise in time, we KNOW the month Christ always comes to attend his own Memorial. Think about it. We KNOW the general time of when the Lamb is to drop in on HIS OWN DAY!

AT THE TIME Jesus stated what he stated he did not even know, since the seven seals have been opened to him soon all shall know if they choose to accept what it means. Yes, we will know enough, Revelation 1:1 “to SHOW his slaves the things which MUST shortly take place”.

Christ, being just — will give a clear FAIR WARNING clear as day, prior to arrival. You already know when he ETD left, expect his ETA to be the same.


JWs will receive the Revelation 10:11 commission for that warning, come that time. WE >>>prophesy<<< AGAIN! It will be the SECOND witnessing of the TWO, 2520 days, 1260 days 1914-1918, 1260 days future, SEVEN TIMES COMPLETE!

[QUOTE who=”Jace”]

They want to participate in these types of conversations do badly but this freedom of speech is denied them and they don’t even see it


Well, they do see it, that is why they speak freely. The Web is the last great territory, yet the caved-in GB keeps JWs off of it to decrease the ministry in reality. I saw that and said bull, I am preaching when and wherever I want, with an ice tea kicking back. WHY must it be a torture test of vacant homes and hide-n-seekers wasting gas, time and resources?

So, JWs who speak are just voting that the GB are not the real authority when it comes to preaching, their UN NGO is obviously the worst political endorsement ever, and people can scrap the GB before od makes it all official, they are a failed experiment, in heavy sins, and unneeded, plain and simple.

Trying to silence JWs on a 3 billion person territory is a heavy sin in itself. Forget the GB they are nothing, mean nothing, are no Fred Franz, and are illegal and a ministerial destruction agency. FORGET ‘EM! LOL

They are a WASTE of time and JW money and spiritual standing.

Revelation 8:1-8 is the “fire of the altar” cleansing of Jehovah’s temple judgment which must BEGIN on the JW Org, but Revelation8-11 will have been activated and at some point it must be Rev10:11 “prophesied again” as a final warning as world government approaches which unique totally global sovereign claim in complete “gathering of the nations” into that agency form will trigger the Christ personal response.

Daniel 8:13-14 is the timed proof of Revelation 8:1-8, JWs are that “earth” in Rev8.

That comes with the global “tribulation of those days” activating in some manner and that “sword stroke” “heals” into said 8th King world government. (Rev13:3)
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And those that want to pick and choose whatever they like to be figurative and literal are grasping at straws to make it say whatever they want it to say. [/QUOTE]

No one is “picking and choosing”. It took the last 100 years for God to open Revelation 1.0 fully by 1969. Jehovah’s witnesses are the only ones who understand Revelation 1.0 (it repeats), because they accept the Kingdom of God; up to 1991 when they too chose the UN NGO wildbeast services.

Some of those who cannot accept it accept the wildbeast as their leader, even if they lip service God.

It is that simple, but it repeats so some can make a final choice. Even JWs do not understand why there are TWO witnesses, why Revelation 8-11 repeats in the future over about 15 years of “seven trumpets” which trumpet 1 is the JW Org downfall in the temple judgment context.

When world government comes will you accept it or God’s Kingdom? Your churches will tell their flock the wildbeast 666 is “God’s Kingdom” so that won’t fly. You’re just getting an early heads up.

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Couldn’t have said it better. Thank you.[/QUOTE]

You’re welcome.

There is a strange “keep up with Jones” psyche at church, like evryone wants the gold medal, silver won’t do. the 144,000 somehow seems to small a number as if they already judge themselves probably not going to make it (if too small a number) as far as they have that “all go to heaven” product they have been sold by the pastor-conman-squad.

But what if it is was 144,000,000?

Would that make it enough where they feel “now I can make it”? When “everyone goes to heaven” is the “answer” that seems to be the only time they feel they can keep up with Jones, when “don’t worry, ALL go to heaven”.

The aversion to the logic of a limited heavenly number with that purpose among humans reveals a more basic background psyche of envy and self-doubt.

Paul noted this strange psychology here, we know the rebel Jews were envious but this self-condemnation psyche played in as well:


Then Paul and Barnabas answered them boldly: “We had to speak the word of God to you first. Since you reject it and DO NOT CONSIDER YOURSELVES WORTHY of eternal life, we now turn to the Gentiles.

Same old story today, had they not doubted, who knows, they may have been the “few chosen”, instead of one more in the self-condemning “many called”.

It is true, the Bible “drives to the marrow”, it does actively filter out the self-condemned and bundles them in cordoned off weed piles. But too, anytime one wants one can start to CONSIDER THEMSELVES WORTHY OF EVERLASTING LIFE, because the Christ has made it OPENLY available that simply, sure it is tough because of sin, system and Satan, but if one sticks to it it is GUARANTEED, it is no sucker’s carrot.

It is the REAL THING, but we have to approve ourselves first but in that realistic manner Paul and Barnabas were getting at.

“Everyone ought to examine themselves before they eat of the bread and drink from the cup.”

So, even with a calling self-examination is the first task. If we do not accept ourselves as revealed in self-doubt, how could we take a next step and ACTUALLY believe it?

So, the answer is we get this “keep up with the Jones” competition which is really driven more by ignorance than the understanding of the mission.

“For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves.” (1Cor11:28-29)

Satan main playground is the human mind’s merry-go-round, he wants to get in and just keep the scenery going by a person’s eyes, but the ride is really getting nowhere, such as this subject’s controversial stagnation, tantamount to seeing the gates of life but hanging for decades right at the entry but never going in because of the argument glue on the feet.

Satan knows how to present lifelong stalls and detours.
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if its not a persons buisness who God calls….why does the witnesses only think its them that are the correct ones….everyone else is christendom?[/QUOTE]

You don’t even know what JWs teach do you? “Jehovah’s witness” the job goes back to Abel and Michael before him and all the holy angels at one time.

ANYONE can be “Jehovah’s witness” as in the task, so to think a religion would be so narrow minded as to say a “religious label” is salvation, when the mission from God accomplished is the salvation, would be wrong.

And fairly, JWs as a religion do recognize the calling is from God, he calls whoever he wants, he don’t check in with the GB, and he has been doing this since the night of the covenant with the 12, which Judas broke, but btw, he did have to partake and be “counted among them” to be also the “son of destruction” the first traitor in the covenant.

Now I know JWs have a reputation going due to a rigid GB thing since 1976, but in reality Fred Franz and Rutherford were very open minded and realistic and at times we may find a “GB helper” who is also open minded.

The path to anointing is the Bible itself and the spirit. Anyone could be called, none of our business truly, so Satan erects religions to try to distract from the mission.


Just let the JW BudtHurt thing go, imo. Just get over it already.

Anyone ever heard of “Bury my Heart at Wounded Knee” by Dee Brown about Native American history?

Well anyone who wants to feel in a small way what the natives went through does so by reading that de facto account.

Now if you want to know the battle of the Christian Reformation to try to regain the truth from the Catholic Oppressors you read Ellen White’s “The Great Controversy” and you shall understand how there have been true Christians battling Satan for quite some time.

Now if you want to see how the battle was furthered for all intents and purposes to complete the intent of the Reformation for widely known proclamation global, you read “The Divine Plan of the Ages” by Charles Russell.

They are all real classics.

And from there the battle goes on, if you think it is won it is not the way to think. (Matt24:13) The wildbeast KN and Satan have more up their sleeve and it ain’t near won until Revelation 10:11 is completed for the second time, the second witnessing of the future for 1260 days.

When Christ arrives is when the battle and war for this age will be won. In the meantime, Satan works day and night against Christians and human in general, even the one just reading a page in the Bible for the first time, or the one bound and laying in the hospital nursery. See how soon Satan starts to try to bind men?
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I actually feel bad for you. [/QUOTE]

A cleansing wrap-up of Daniel 11:33-35** is REQUIRED. I feel sorry for you until you accept the obvious in OUR sins for not speaking up sooner and demanding new management in this now off-track JW ministry.

I’ll stick with God and King Destroyer in the mean time.

Daniel 8:13-14 is what defines the “time of the end” starting, btw.

**”””And those of the people who understand shall instruct many; yet for many days they shall fall by sword and flame, by captivity and plundering. 34 Now when they fall, they shall be aided with a little help; but many shall join with them by intrigue. 35 And some of those of understanding shall fall, to refine them, purify them, and make them white, until the time of the end; because it is still for the appointed time.”””

The stumbled ones who are being joined by intrigue are out here with the scattered sheep. But Zechariah 13:7 is going to get far more pronounced when they hit the JW Org at global scale soon:

“””Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith Jehovah of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered; and I will turn my hand upon the little ones.””””

But it leads in the future to this REFINEMENT of God:

“””And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith Jehovah, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein. 9 And I will bring the third part into the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried. They shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people; and they shall say, Jehovah is my God”””

Much more is yet to come on Jehovah’s witnesses, much more is required as well:

Revelation 10:11

“” And he said to me, “You must prophesy again about many peoples, nations, tongues, and kings.”””

Why does the idea of Jehovah judging his own people and nation first (1Peter4:17) bother you so much?

It is the way God has done it in all times past.

For the time is come for judgment to begin at the house of God: and if it begin first at us, what shall be the end of them that obey not the gospel of God?

It will be Daniel 8:13-14 as Revelation 8:1-8. IN THE NEAR FUTURE…===
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I’ve known “functional alcoholics” and coke-heads who had it down, they worked on time and didn’t get DUIs for decades on end. But, that is very rare in my personal observations. I guess it depends on how dangerous they get that finally first wake up people around them then they may wake up and just be done with it.

The WTBTS policy is to not allow JWs to divert money to help these people that could be adding to their 30 BILLION dollar current lowball net worth. When money is the answer to the equation you are trying to solve you’ll always find the correct answer. Gathering up BILLIONS in JWs dollars is the hidden goal of the bankers who hold most of the JW liquid loot.

If they REALLY believed it was the end rather than a HOAX “the end”, they would spend BILLIONS on a final warning push. But, sadly, the GB are frauds of the first order, anointed of Satan quite literally, that is the irony Satan likes to spin into a ministry when he assumes control.

And this is also why JWs harbor and let evil fester in the organization which they are blind as bats to, but everyone else smells like rotting fish. But, keep your eyes on JWs, it started out with a valid warning and that is why they are in there to try to keep it from completing the testimony.

Daniel 8:13-14 will come on JWs in at least 3.19 years JW Org downfall plundering then they will leave JWs a laughing stock for a while because “the end” is just the final global crash and sword stroke war cycle which heals into world government in around 15 years. “The end” JWs have been hypnotized to think can “come anyday now” is just the cover story to conceal the true nature of the JW Org takeover for that 30-60 BILLION the WTBTS has in loot and assets. It is a cave of robbers, modern day, so yes Jesus will hit THEN first, not Babylon the Great.

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There are over 2 BILLION people out here on the Web. Sounds like a “territory” to me. Just because the GB wants JWs to be mum and stumbles the Daniel 11:33-35 sheep, does not matter, the Web is a territory the GB tells JWs to stay off of even though it is the biggest “territory” in hsitroy, and God says use the internet.

The GB is on the way out, but preaching will continue unto the Christ arrival for coronation as King of kings in the Messianic Universal Government.
“God says use the internet”

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Gee….What scripture is that where Jehovah God specifically says to “use the internet”?

Now…..His son Jesus Christ did state “The good news would be preached in all the inhabited nations and then the end would come” ( Matt 24:14)

Now…..What form will that take? We don’t know as the end hasn’t come to reflect back on these days and how Jehovah’ s purposes came to fruitition in a number of ways in ths system. But, it is shaping up now. Very quickly i might add…. It is also within ‘reason’ to conclude that does include making full use of the net. Lands that are difficult to reach are now reached via the internet.


But, one must temper that message with Jehovah’ s instructions to not asssociate with apostates which the net is chockfull of. I believe many of us who still have trust in Jehovah and his appointed men still struggle with that one. I know i do.


Jehovah’s spirit does not exist on this site. Everyone here is here on their own “freewill” whether they believe in the society carrying out God’s messages or not.
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But, one must temper that message with Jehovah’ s instructions to not asssociate with apostates which the net is chockfull of. I believe many of us who still have trust in Jehovah and his appointed men still struggle with that one. I know i do.

You KNOW it is addictive, why run from opposers with tail between legs?, so WE don’t. But “apostate” is those ANOINTED who “leave the holy covenant” and how many of them are here?

ZERO, 0000000, that is how many.

The apostates to flee from and shun are at UN NGO Bethel. THAT is the modern day location where true anointed decided to throw it all away to curry some UN favor as press co-agents for the UN “new world order” mantra of 1990 via the UN NGO 666 service.

“””so [King North globalists] will come back and show regard for those who forsake the holy covenant [at WTBTS]. 31“Forces from him will arise [in the JW ministry], desecrate the sanctuary fortress, and do away with the regular sacrifice. And they will set up the [UN and UN NGO, 1990-1991] abomination of desolation. 32“By smooth words KN will turn to godlessness those who act wickedly toward the covenant [among Jehovah”s people (by use of the GB)]”””

I know it is hard for JWs to accept, but it is what it is and it’s judgment will be ENORMOUS on the apostate JW Org. (Daniel 11:41-43 context for Daniel 8:13-14)

It is going down, the apostasy that is. (Nahum 2:1)

Eventually you’ll start to take all of this Kingdom of God stuff more serious.

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Jehovah’s spirit does not exist on this site. Everyone here is here on their own “freewill” whether they believe in the society carrying out God’s messages or not.


Sorry, Jehovah backs his Forum on Topix and you know why in the FACT it is the MOST OPEN FREE SPEECH FORUM on the Web at this huge traffis no non-sense (other than too many ads) scale.

Jehovah owns it all, but this one is special in history, it just is what it is.

This site is not as bad as a Kingdom, it ain’t no paradise buddy, OPEN YOUR EYES. Jehovah’s spirit has left the JW Org ministry. THAT is the truth, lawless one it is now, 2Thess2:1-4,11-12)

[QUOTE who=”GreatSouthbay4040″] the end hasn’t come to reflect back on these days and how Jehovah’ s purposes came to fruitition in a number of ways in ths system. But, it is shaping up now. Very quickly i might add.. .. It is also within ‘reason’ to conclude that does include making full use of the net. Lands that are difficult to reach are now reached via the internet.


The Web is the LAST great territory in Christian history. It is like 2.5 CHINAS!!!!

Btw, APOSTATES had to have been TRUE anointed, the example is UN Bethel, most people here are just Daniel 11:33-35 “other sheep” STUMBLED and disgusted with GB lawlessness in regard to child abuse and other cult-like abuses and that UN foray they so love to justify. (2Thess2:1-4)

The “apostate” thing is just a distraction elsewhere so JWs do not see their apostates “sit in the temple of the God lifting themselves over everyone” in that doomed and ILLEGAL GB thing RIGHT AT BETHEL, RIGHT IN JW MEDIA, RIGHT IN THE JW FACES.

The GB are GLORY-DRUNK UN ALLIED TRUE APOSTATE, if they are not just fake 666-infiltrators by this time. The 1976 GB was full of apostates and their power grab led to this mess.

Fred Franz and Nathan Knorr were not apostate nor in agreement with that 1976 GB stunt for fame.

Now comes God’s judgment, not men’s, on all of us Jehovah’s witnesses. (Dan8:13-14)

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you do realize that Russell and Rutherford both said the Messianic Kingdom started in 1874 right? and they are the ones that supposedly discerned the signs of the times “correctly”. which is why Jesus supposedly chose them. so Jesus chose them but never corrected them until the 1930’s lol so Jesus aloud them to teach a false return for nearly 40 years. [/QUOTE]

There have been many predictions and thousands of errors in all Christendom proper where those brothers were in those days. But when it was time to let the nations know there time is about up we got 1914.

Though a couple adjustments are still pending, 1914 stuck to the degree people talk about it all the time and the warning is known globally to the extent leading to the final warning from the JW Org rubble to come in Daniel 8:11-14, because that is one more of the errors JWs still cart around.

But all-in-all it is progressing to world government to trigger Christ arrival at a level of obviousness as we run this world war to healing many, not just JWs, will be able to see where it was leading and we can thank God who used many Christians, not just Tazer Russell and Big Stick Rutherford, but many brothers since the apostles were sent out by Christ are involved with this coming eternal victory.

For, God can never be stopped in His Purpose. In spite of modern JW apostasy they have furthered the purpose to the point their own apostasy with the UN NGO is also in prophecy, it is the “TRANSGRESSION causing desolation” obviously connected to the counter-kingdom UN “disgusting thing” and it’s 1990 now silenced third placement prophecy of Daniel 11:31b.

The GB job is to silence that 3rd UN event so JWs cannot figure out there are FOUR UN events the final is the world government in about 15 years or so, THAT entity is what will trigger the Christ arrival after they utter their final “world peace” claim as 1 Thessalonians 5:1-3.

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ihv he also taught them how to see and enter that kingdom.. but the wt lies to you …. if you aint born again you will never see what the society promises you…

but maybe you can tell us how you plan on entering that kingdom without being born again?


Everyone is “born again” but at different times. For example, Jesus is the first “born again” to open the door for spirit immortals to be part of his Kingdom, you know “the ones who stuck” to him during his trials and that extends to today.


Jesus Christ is [to be] called the ETERNAL FATHER so human distined sheep must also be “born again” into the actuality of Christ’s physical human being perfection, they are Christ’s children but under the 1000 year reign after Eternal Mom is fully complete in Christ’s Bride composed of those spirit immortals who follow Christ “first fruits” and first in this recovery operation of all life on planet Earth.

In time, even your dog is to be “born again” into animal world perfection of Ezekiel 47. Being DOG that he is, everyone knows their non-free-will record and reputation, he will make it, “man’s best friend” that he is, ‘will’ you? (Isa 34:14-17)

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sorry but no one out side the jw’s are taking about 1914 and how do we know they didn’t have it right with 1874? maybe the adjustment was wrong. who is to say? [/QUOTE]

Russell clarified that he was just in his 20s when the 1874 gig was in play. But the Daniel 4 scheduling is how he got to 1914, and it will stand but Jerusalem destruction will slide up for the 587-517 connection and Babylon “gentile times” from King Neb 697 BC-1914.

We are tracking “gentile times” so Gentiles have to be the basis of the “seven times”.

David Wilcock, the new age guru-dude, also shows 1914 is in the Pyramid, but since that is not needed, we use Daniel who is God’s prophet-genius of that day, second only to King Neb himself. We don’t need no lame Egyptian calendar of the Devil.

But even Satan knew 1914 was the year he’d be kicked outa heaven. Disconnected from the fountains of life for real, he also fully knows his time is short. He is discharging as we speak.

Those pens and pencils you were holding in your hand are the “stumbled and refined” OUTSIDE the JW Org foretold here in Daniel 11:32-35:

Daniel 11:33-35

“”33 And those of the people who understand shall instruct many; yet for many days they shall fall by sword and flame, by captivity and plundering. 34 Now when they fall, they shall be aided with a little help; but many shall join with them by intrigue. 35 And some of those of understanding shall fall, to refine them, purify them, and make them white, until the time of the end; because it is still for the appointed time.””

Now those joining these externalized x-witnesses “some of those of understanding shall fall” are the ones out here joining by intrigue or NWT “smoothness” which means they are associating with xJWs for a purpose to expose the JW Org lawlessness, but they do not know the whole story as even JWs do not know the whole story yet, and some are sincere to be called in the “desirable things” yet to come in in the future climax “rocking of the nations” and some are enemy just plain JW haters, it is a mix, hence xJWs are being “joined by intrigue”.

As per the COMMAND of Christ at Matthew 24:15, or by whatever other means, these people have left and are being refined yet as scattered sheep in confusion and perplexity as to what is really going on, “something ain’t quite right with JW Org”. At Matthew 24:15-16 Jesus was referring to a “let the reader use discernment” Daniel prophecy of the wildbeast “disgusting thing”, which only one can apply, at Daniel 11:31b.

That 1990 3rd UN “New World Order” mantra event global presentation is now being covered up by the GB as they PARTNERED with it as UN NGO at the same time (Dan8:12b), (conveniently as they neutralized Fred Franz in 1990-1992.) Yet, it is also the Daniel 8:13 UN NGO “TRANSGRESSION causing desolation” associated in that UN-alliance for the 1990 3rd United Nations presentation after the unique “Cold World War” ended (Dan11:29), “different the last than at the first” which were two world war “hot wars” that resulted in a UN related presentation in 1919 and 1945. So, whether people leave because of this 666 service by the WTBTS in public sight in 1991, or for other reasons, they are all out of “apostate Jerusalem” prior to its downfall of Daniel 8:13 global “trampling” and fulfilling Daniel 11:33-35 as we speak.

What led to this? The Daniel 11:32 apostasy lead by King North globalist intelligence through this 1976-GB power-grasp, is now running the JW ministry into the dirt and about to plunder 30-60 BILLION in JW global assets. This is what led to the Daniel 11:33-35 stumbling out of the JW Org for refinement and safety:

Daniel 11:32

“”Those who do wickedly against the covenant he shall corrupt with flattery; but the people who know their God shall be strong, and carry out great exploits.””

The “time of the end” of the “last days” ONLY mentioned in Daniel BEGINS when Daniel 8:13-14 starts to run its temple judgment course (Dan8:14) on the JW Org as the visible globally known symbol of the anointed Christian ministry now in lawlessness and UN alliances. Thus, ” until the time of the end; because it is still for the appointed time” this stumbling will be permitted by Jehovah which is to say it will cease when the temple is cleaned out as Daniel 8:13-14 fully runs its timed course. That Daniel 8:14 timing will help prove the prophecy, it will be explicitly marked to aid the final warning this will lead to in time.

The “sword stroke” world war this manifests with will resolve into a global-healing of Revelation 13:3 to sell not the League of Nations this time, but COMPLETE Scarlet Wildbeast WORLD GOVERNMENT which the United Nations will be the International Executive Branch of world rulership, even if they rename it, it is still the “image of the beast”. There will be a recovery of many for the final warning which must refocus on then “sackcloth” Revelation 11:3 wearing Jehovah’s witnesses who remain after the temple judgment; approved, to “prophesy AGAIN” as per Revelation 10:11.

This is going to be so enormous the context will be the “tribulation of those days” (Matt24:29-31) and as per Daniel 8:26 it is phased from darkness (evenings) to final light (mornings).

“”And the vision of the evenings and mornings Which was told is true; Therefore seal up the vision, For it refers to many days in the future.”” (NOW!, this future we are NOW in!)

And this is why this is the prophecy that wiped Daniel out for many days numbed and catatonic in shock staring at the ceiling in his bed:

Daniel 8:27 And I, Daniel, fainted and was sick for days; afterward I arose and went about the king’s business. I was astonished by the vision, but no one understood it.
Soon we will see and feel why Daniel was blown away by the very feelings the vision inspired within him, it is the BIG ONE on the Temple first. (1Peter 4:17; Daniel 11:41’s invasion in the King South nation-state pawning by the KN-Globalists of Daniel 11:42-43 as the global “four plague” context.

They are going to attempt to exterminate all Jehovah’s witnesses in time. Only problem is “the Angel of the Covenant”, aka the Destroyer is a Jehovah’s witness too and they have to get by him first, instead he will get them to allow the 1260 days final warning to eventually manifest. (Hosea1:4-7) That is why what the Destroyer did to the 185,000 Assyrians is what he will do to a certain number of anti-JW globalists and their ops. They will fail to silence the final testimony in complete form as per Revelation 10:5-7, Revelation 11:2-3, and so on. (Daniel 12:7; Daniel 7:25; Revelation 12:14; Revelation 13:5 all parallel 1260 days)

And that will complete the 2520 days version of the Revelation 11 TWO witnesses “seven times”, 1260 X 2, 1914-1918, and the future final 1260 day warning after all this has run its course starting with Daniel 8:13-14 whose “right condition” is by means of the CLEANSING “fire of the altar” of Revelation 8:1-8 which fire is soon to be hurled into the Jehovah’s witnesses “Earth” global community.
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The internet gives jw the freedom they can’t get at the hall
Watching them thumb the GB IS SO AMAZING[/QUOTE]

Well it is fulfilling Daniel 11:32-35 where the GB are Daniel 11:32a lawlessness and apostasy leaders and Daniel 11:33-35 is the wandered off JW sheep and others joining them with the sole purpose of exposing the GB as lawless criminals in Caesar’s house and God’s house.

Except with God, He judges his hiouse first, next, soon as 1Peter4:17. It all ends in the JW apostasy allowance of God when Daniel 8:13-14 runs its hell-on-the-JW-Org course as the “fire of the altar” hurled into JW ‘earth” in Revelation 8-11 will BEGIN the seven trumpets whose first BLAST is on JWs in this judgment where the first of Revelation 8:1-8 is how the Daniel 8:14 “right condition” in the Temple is achieved by God.
God will give the final JW ministry back to what is then “five discreet virgin” anointed “body of the Christ” in its TRULY “remnant” form which final warning of 1260 days is how the final anointed Christian sealings are effected for completion.
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haha so tell us, what were the signs of the times that confirmed that 1914 is the end of the gentile times. I mean did anything happen in 1914 that had never happened before or since? [/QUOTE]

1. World war became the formulaic “problem” for which the post world war “solution” became the globalist UN “image of the beast”.

2. We had an obvious layer of elitist intelligence and central banking “state of the art” global Anglo financing model which now owns the whole world.

3. The “7th King” manifested as official in form with the Anglo-American pact which is now the core of Global NATO in many nations.

4. We had in the League of Nations form of first UN the “8th King” “image” nucleus and their claims of “new world order” intended world government, WHILE AT THE SAME TIME, God’s Kingdom made the counter-sovereign claim via anointed Christian Kingdom of Christ “ambassadors in chains”.

5. All the 1260 days prophecies of Daniel 7:25, 12:7 and Revelation 11:2-3, 12:6, 13:5 all further affirmed 1914 which was their inception year (1914-1918 form) verifiable later as stand alone proof of 1914’s benchmark, INDEPENDENT of the Daniel 4 basis of the 8-world-power structured prophecies which Daniel 2,7.8,11-12 and Revelation 13, 17 are built upon.

And from there in WW2 and Cold WW3, world war is the prelude phase they run to eventually “heal” into the world government UN statement, this final world war it shall resolve into said complete 8th King world government and its “world peace” mantra which shall trigger the Christ arrival; and now you know what you need to know for the future second proof of 1260 days coming again, in the future as Revelation 10:11.

The final warning mantra is ANYONE CAN BE SAVED by accepting the Revelation 14:6-8 offer when it comes and to continue to be saved abide by the rule of the Kingdom of Christ and his New Universal Order.

You have time, you will see all that final cycle stuff to world government, JW Org downfall as Daniel 8:13-14, God willing.

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When did Russell clarify? they didn’t change the date to 1914 until the 1930’s. did he come back from the grave to make this clarification? [/QUOTE]

They had the right date, they had the wrong event it marked.

Russell made the 1914 Daniel “appointed times” calc known globally, for others were also cluing in on 1914, but he made it AN ISSUE OF GLOBAL SOVEREIGNTY, God;s Kingdom versus Satan’s Kingdom in imperfect human nations.

But true, it took until later for them to place the correct EVENT to the correct DATE. Obviously, by then it was not “Amageddon” which is also a “place” a global state, not an “event”.

People, all of us, are stupid as a box of rocks, this is why God has to painstakingly guide the truth from all us dumbshit retards and why it has to happen like this, but by the final warning it will be harmonized by much trial and error, because it is just a repeat of that first cycle, but to world government completed this time.

WORLD GOVERNMENT is what triggers Christ, and this is why the GB is stalled on purpose and keeps JWs SILENT on all this as UN NGO UN allied partners in crime. THAT TOO, is the final apostasy-to-temple-judgment prophecy we are now seeing in GB “man of lawlessness” activity ruining the JW ministry.

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yeah I knew 1874 wasn’t just an innocent mistake by a human but was proclaimed as though God Himself was saying it. so the JW god is pretty confused about a lot of things. he didn’t even know who the FDS was until the 70’s

Look THEY ALL DO THIS, from the Pope to the GB etc, etc, etc. You shall have to sift the straw because the needle is sheathed IN the straw, it is that bad, you have to BLEED to find the truth. God allows this test because if you really want his Kingdom you will be tested and it will NOT be easy, you will have to fight tooth and nail to find and keep a truth you have to make your own.

People are dumbasses, one and all of us, and religious dumbasses are the worst of the lot. LOOK at the JW GB, go see them on that ridiculously retard-child-down-talking JW media and you will see DUMBASS in its first order form. No wonder JWs are dumbasses, but Christendom is in the same pea pod.

I know, it is a fight with evil. Fight the only fight worth fighting, that of good. Be observant in the future for world government, it WILL trigger the Christ arrival. It is that obvious. (Rev13:3; Rev17:8-14)

[QUOTE who=”Jparkh81″]<quoted text>

you keep making a completely false equivalency between ransom Christians saying “I think christ will return based on. …” and Russell saying “I speak for God and Jesus did return in 1874 and armageddon will start in 1914 and don’t you dare try to disagree” then when history proves him wrong you all say he didn’t really say all that. and when it gets too embarrassing to hold on to a date you change it and pretend the “adjustment” is based on the bible. [/QUOTE]

Russell’s era is complete. We move on, world war like you aint ever seen or heard of will clue you in this is the one that leads to world government one step at a time, then the Christ arrival. It will get so clear YOU will be able to “predict” it to try to help save your loved ones, it is what it is, it is starting soon. (You will have enough time to see all the steps, that is how you will yourself know it is it, and you will have a responsibility to TELL OTHERS)

You gotta leave the argumentative chuckhole diversions behind and see >>>ALL<<< Christian butts are in this one. We are either with the salvation solution or part of the problem to be removed by Christ, you best start to take this dead serious, it is up to YOU to be approved by Christ. We are all individually accountable, don’t worry about condemning Charles Russel work on your own guilty butt.

We ALL got the same problem, figure it out and get with it.

Why This “Big One” is Unique in All Histroy
Sure Looks Like Doomsday—But It Is Not!
As per Revelation 13:3 there is a “doomsday sword stroke” that will make it seem King South is done, dead, “end of the world”, but as per Revelation 13:3 that phase passes into a HUGE global “healing” whose positive “life saving” upswing highlights human 8th King world government as if “God’s Kingdom”, the “savior of mankind”! (Rev17:8-18; Isa41)
But this coming global mega-economic-crash, financial implosion and world war are in a very unique “clay and iron” not mixing—FRACTURED global shatter like we have NEVER seen in history in ALL dimensions of human civilization—social, political, religious, and military and corporate and financial predation.
NEVER have all these things occurred at the same time and to this degree and global scale too boot:
1. NEVER before have we had an INTERNATIONAL protesting global-social system “roaring seas” about hotly debated and deadly religious AND racial AND political AND commercial AND social class oppression in one mix of multi-color ants in an all vs. all mentality like we have today! (Luke21:25-28)
2. NEVER before has the country been absolutely shattered over a presidential election like this one driving wedges into families, creating mayhem in the city squares and the largest frenzy of Facebook “defriendings” ever, along with the hugest mainstream media propaganda campaign ever.
A. At the same time never have we seen so many people exposing what is really going on.

3. NEVER before have we seen an ICE scale Intercontinental Exchange networking all the global markets for HFT virtual financial reality control as the central bankers and their HFT computer systems assume all national assets OWNERSHIP by collateralizations and unfunded liabilities into the stellar range of 300 trillion dollar range in the US and EU systems alone! (Dan11:42-43)
4. Never before have we seen a Christian world set in a modern day “Crusade” against a “Radical Islam Jihad” enemy at this scale of social intercontinental distribution WORLDWIDE and right down into your own city no matter where you live!
5. Never before have we seen the young and even older not knowing their own sexual identity as the male vs. female dimension of sexual war has now scaled down into an inner-person psyche war with their own possible “genders” creating a volatilely unstable person like you aint ever seen before!
6. NEVER before have we seen ALL THAT is ALL NATIONS to some degree for a potential world war to now involve ALL THE NATIONS for the first time ever as every level of the social, political, religious and commercial/academic architectures is at all time peak INsTaBILItY set to blow with an economic earthquake to set it all off like never before IN ALL HISTORY.
7. Never have we seen JWs culturing lawlessness and a UN wildbeast riding UN NGO to this stellar degree Dan8:13 “transgression causing desolation” to JW Org, and still be dumb enough to think that is all cool with Jehovah and Christ just because some “man of lawlessness” cornfed Billionaire GB says it is OK and did the done deal with beast, KN, and Satan. (Dan8:11-14, Dan11:30-35; Dan11:32a)

It is ALL in prophecy folks! ALL OF IT!

But, as Revelation 13:3 states, it is NOT going to be “the end” as poor misled JWs will think it is (2Thess2:1-2), it is a final global cycle to result in the 8th King complete world government, end of Babylon the Great and the “world peace” mantra that will empower—which is what triggers the Christ arrival.
The Christ arrival will get clearer and clearer upon step by step, run its full course, final global indications where in a child will be able to “predict”, when this has run its course of over 15 years, that this WORLD GOVERNMENT ABOMINATION is going to trigger Christ and God Almighty, this is the big one.
THAT is why God will smash apostate JWOrg as Daniel 8:13-14, cleanse and recover the anointed Christian ministry to utter the final warning as this thing winds down to the BITTER end over a number of mind-blowing years (Hag2:7), according to exact outline of prophecies in Daniel 2,7,8,11-12 and Revelation 13,17 and Revelation 8-11 in scheduled registered in time form.
[QUOTE who=”Tony Price 77″]According to JW interpretation of Revelation 12:9, Satan and his demons were cast out of heaven in the year 1914. However, also according to JW interpretation of 2 Peter 2:4 and Jude 1:6, the demons(and apparently Satan too) were cast into Tartarus, which is suppose to be a symbolic ‘condition’ of “pits of dense darkness” right after the flood of Noah’s day.(Also, see 1 Peter 3:19-20.)

Therefore, if Satan and his demons were in such “pits of dense darkness”… does anyone know what the point was of God also allowing Satan and his demons to dwell in heaven… a place of great light? [/QUOTE]

JWs teach it is a spiritual darkness and certain pre-flood powers have been suspended. But it could be the future abyssing even if Peter speaks of it in the past tense it could be about the certainty of the judgment, because Jehovah’s judgment is as good as done.

But an example of dense darkness was when Satan sent out the star to try to lead Herod to discover Jesus, he was a couple years late, Jesus was a toddler already levitating lizards to play with as a child as birds alighted on his fingertips wondering just what was taking that idiot so long to discover he had arrived.

Now I jest a little, but Satan being late on the birth of Christ shows he is guessing like everyone else and he has walked headlong into every trap Jehovah has set for him, he is NOT some genius but for angelic idioacy. A fail about to be made official.
[QUOTE who=”Tony Price 77”]<quoted text>

LOL 😀 A far-fetched answer which doesn’t even begin to answer my question. LOL 😀


Yes it did with a little thinking. Light is also life. Once Satan and the demons were cast from heaven knowing there was no way back in like giant batteries of formerly given light and life they were cut off from the power source of life which is Jehovah. They are not eternal batteries of life, only Jehovah is and it has been granted to the Son to also “have life in himself” which is also core true immortality.

Angels are not immortal in basic form, the demons will never be. So, this is also why they said and knew in all their cases but as applied to Satan he knew his time is truly short. So, the casting Peter spoke of into Tartarus may have been the heavenly cut off from life’s source.

Either way they are doubling down and shall resist the abyss which has a different purpose to keep them from meddling with humans in the 1000 Year Reign. They are not planning to go in without a fight and neither will Super NATO as 100% globalized weaponization world government armies the “Magedon” in “Har”.

But down they will go regardless.

“” And it shall come to pass in that day, that Jehovah will [h]punish the host of the high ones on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth. 22 And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison; and after many days shall they be visited. 23 Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed; for Jehovah of hosts will reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem; and before his elders shall be glory.””

That Isaiah 24:21-22 Zion will be in the Revelation 14 state at that time. The Church of Tony may not agree and seldom does, but you can stay out of that pit for the human lot by observing Revelation 14:6-8 even now, but when the rest of the angels bring it to mankind ANYONE can accept the offer with a clean heart, meaning it has to sincere.
[QUOTE who=”GreatSouthbay4040″]<quoted text> I always wonder who funds ISIS. These guys are in the middle of nowhere and they have endless ammunition. This happens with many wars. I believe there was a plan to destabilize the Middle East.


Yes there has to be. With Vietnam as an example McNamara became World Bank exec after the war. WHY do you need a high military financier as a field commander?

Because when they started spending the billions him and Kissinger from US MIC would meet the same kinds of guys in the North Vietnam camp and they would count their billions and schedule the next round of military billions, and this is why they killed plenty of VC ants, but never touched the China ant hill of even Hanoi.


The same pattern is with all the Middle East billions being spent by co-funding and co-arming wars ad infinitum, on steroids after 911 as the pretext, in a military finance and logistics system now many 100s of time more complex than the 60s.

And this is how they offer human sacrifice to the numbers to Satan for his blessing to profit to the numbers from the racket at record ROI levels, they are all true Satanists of the higher orders. And it is leading to a big one.

WW1 scored them 300 BILLION in profits off the new Federal Reserve lead currency machine, WW2 scored them 5 TRILLION, the Cold War expanded military armaments to the tune of 100 TRILLION or so, and this world war coming up will now pawn the entire global and when you throw in BTG a running total of perhaps a QUADRILLION.

It will finish what it begin in 1914 WW1, and that too is why the 1914 first world war formulaic engine of profiteering cycle marked the “last days” of the nation-state “King South” and this world.

This is why it is NOT “the end” yet, they need to Rev13:3 run this final “sword stroke” world war by engineered control for the purpose of fully financially capturing ALL the nations in one feel swoop of Daniel 11:42-43 wrapping up, then they funnel it all to world government operations and presentation, world peace mantra, BTG deposed, then Christ arrives in that active process of a COMPLETE 8th King Scarlet Wildbeast WORLD GOVERNMENT, THE FINAL SOVEREIGN AFFRONT TO GOD’S KINGDOM, COMPLETE KING NORTH, KING FIERCE, DAN2 IMMENSE IMAGE COMPLETE.

AFTER this big world war coming up no matter how it may manifest.

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Im a really reserved person,,,,ego boost is not my thing at a;l….so you must not be looking at the big picture…..to see that ,that’s the way I am……so is this part of the big false prophises…..your a Wtbts follower all the way,you learned from the best….. When it comes to that……that’s why I don’t just go by 1 scripture……like john 17:3 but the whole bible[/QUOTE]

There is a foretold apostasy active in JWs, it will be fixed. Before this apostasy develop they exposed the apostasy in Christendom fully, it will not be fixed men will not be taught the trinity lie in Christ’s 1000 Year Kingdom.

That JWs are in apostasy is true, that it negates EVERYTHING they taught is your fantasy to continue in lies JWs have been exposing nearly 100 solid years of the “two witnesses” first witnessing. Just because JWs went astray does not make the lies you teach true. You have false hope. You are at this time unable to break from the trap of the lies of Christendom just as JWs are unable to break from certain lies of the modern WTBTS.

It is the same thing, JWs are the newer version which sparks Rev8:1-8 timed as Daniel 8:13-14 on us first. It is the temple judgment of 1Peter 4:17. (Mal3:1-5; Zech3:1-5)
[QUOTE who=”Jparkh81″]<quoted text>

oh yeah those easter eggs aren’t gonna paint themselves.

Pretty weak man,… [/QUOTE]

You would think. But because people define “family” are around photogs of various pagan rituals like Easter and Christmas those things are more addicting than one may imagine, “memories” use these holidays as their psychological nucleus. Without them, some people feel very empty, their unproduced life seems to have no meaning without these pictured rituals to mark their existence in time.

It is not weak, it is very powerful it is part of the psychological symbols which rule society in various forms so people can gauge their existence by memories, good times and the family album. It gives their lives meaning as weak as it may seem to you.

THAT is why leaving these demonic rituals behind is so difficult for some people, far be it from them too to simply invent their own “holy day”, like robots they need someone to fire a gun to start the festival so they can run off shopping and being “loving” as a vain token of meaning once a year.

Some people cannot live without this “meaning” and Satan is who furnishes it for them to keep them in orbit around his mobile and metronome.
[QUOTE who=”jwToJesusChrist”]how could the left mainstream media elect him? they had nothing to do with him winning the electuon.

they were against him since the day he ran.

The Electoral College is a King North globalist-elite motherboard controller. They placed Trump there as they have all the presidents for a far grander future reason and they have designed the public reaction into chaos to focus on his pyre when it is time to blame the wong guy, for globalist elite actions being sown in since after WW2, even before.

It is all well engineered to distract humans from the real global developments in action now maturing to a final world war and the world government to emerge from (Rev13:3) it which is the Christ Trigger entity when completed AND stated as 1Thess5:1-3.

In reality there are less than 6 million witnesses and this is a mass liquidation prior to the corporate takeover lowballed at 30 BILLION world wide, merely hidden in the lying Bethel yearly stats. The statistical 40 year trend trend is, since 1975’s curve, a downward spiral, 0 JW growth by 2024.

They have a “self sulfilling prophecy” of “the end” as the cover story so JWs accept as if “prophecy fulfilling brothers” in reality the real “King North” is robbing JWs blind and if it goes RICO they will toss whole congregations in prison, worst case scenario. It should unfold in a global context of war or mega financial meltdown as the overall background “the end is here brothers!”

It will develop soon. (Dan8:13-14) The place is in heavy crimes and transgressions.
In time more people would see that reversing globalism as Trumps has been doing in exit from TPP and soon NAFTA is the only way to scoop America out of the trip to the Third World it is clearly on. But the media is all globalist run brainwash so you will never hear one anti-globalist sentiment from those sold outs.

They allow Trump in to destabilize the entire country from top to bottom, build some anti-globalist hope, then dash it all to pieces and blame Trump to boot as the covering diversion as hell on Earth comes to an “American Dream” turned Corporate Nightmare, it went fascist a while ago it just does not know the definition.

But as dire as JWs and others tend to think and have been brainwashed to believe, it is a bumpy ride not the end, it all crashes and is rebuilt into world government, you know, that Scarlet Wildbeast 8th King, King North, THING. Then Christ arrives, you get an early heads up, may we all do something wise with it like telling people about the GUARANTEED OPEN SALVATION OFFER of Revelation 14:6-8 coming with Christ upon the ashes of global religions. (Babylon the Great)
[QUOTE who=”Tony Price 77″]<quoted text>

But I thought that you were now Jehovah’s ministry.

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And you’re suppose to be a servant of God?????

Also, for some reason, you sound a bit frustrated, TempleMicrowave. 😉


I am frustrated but it is OK if you want to call it that but I am confident in the nature of this coming global cycle designed to wake many people up (Hag2:7), it is because in the world we see plain patterns of prophecy fulfillment (with total JW silence) and very bad signals of financial malfeasance and yet only an uncommon few see what it means.

As far as JWs, JWs are plain asleep (Matt10:1-13), you can explain the patterns they should already know from the WW1 and WW2 cycles and they should see the globalism agenda of coming world government fits it perfectly as the last UN presenting world war crash cycle, but they slumber on as an army of former JW rape victims begin a war on the org on YouTube.

Instead JWs just dumbly believe “the end could be tonight brothers!” and there in anything can befall the org from other means and JWs will buy the story until they find themselves dog-paddling in the raging global “sea”, THEN they will wake up like Jonah swallowed to the Revelation 9 abyss to be spit up to the shores of Nineveh world government to start piping up with an up to date valid warning.

ARC round 2 starts in March, but the way JWs behaved with that first org debacle to damage control the criminal evidence is astounding, they shall continue to aid the GB Child-Rapist Crew.

Jehovah is who defines His minsitry I am merely stating JWs have a truth being buried in reproach and a UN alliance that will have Daniel 8:13 repercussions. Whatever God does to furnish the wrap up summary final warning is up to Him, but it will disclose the true nature of the JW Org total apostasy of our final “lawless one” signal.

The JW apostasy is a prophecy placed in 1990 UN NGO time context but it started in 1976 with that dirty GB power grasp at Bethel, as per Revelation 8:12 it has lasted “1/3” of the entire JW ministry and the “fallen lamp” of the works of wormwood lawless injustice is embodied in the criminal GB, they will not make it as an entity, that management experiment is plainly a FAIL.

[QUOTE who=”Tony Price 77″]<quoted text>

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lol 😀 Well, that didn’t answer my question. Plus… are you back on that ‘animal’ thing again? Because unfortunately, your POV on that does NOT bolster your credibility. But instead, it makes you sound like some of the church Christians such as rsss1, whom you condemn and marginalize. But yet… in reality, you really don’t sound that much different from them.


The restoration of “everything given to me”, in Christ, of the animals is Biblical, little faith is why it is not accepted. It doesn’t matter what people view as credible, it is what it is. Anyone, including rsss1 may read the Bible and glean the restoration of ALL CREATION from the things in it.

But it takes some searching, it is not the primary mission:

Isaiah 34:14-17

“””Search for yourself in the scroll of the Yahweh and read:

NONE of these [animals] will be missing,
not one will lack her mate.
For it is Yahweh’s mouth that has given the order,
and his Spirit will gather them together.
17 Yahweh allots their portions;
his hand distributes them by measure.
They will possess it FOREVER
and dwell there from generation to generation FOREVER.”””

It is what it is, a Decree of Jehovah that will come true, in time, with Christ their Owner.
[QUOTE who=”pcloadletter”]<quoted text>

Is that what you specified?

I don’t follow modern day Nephilim. The point of Genesis 6 is not that when demons procreate with human females they invariably produce “giants”. The point was they can manipulate the zygote to guide the conception into a number of “creative” variations, such as everyday looking humans.

So, with that in mind and the fact the Bible does NOT say materialization powers were suspended and even procreational powers with human women we can assume what did change was the demon strategy when producing the hybrid “Neo-Nephilim”. This is to say when power was defined as it is in a WWF ring, although an act, by size and strength having an army of demon giants could be handy when trying to control men, who by today’s standards were super men, men who were in their prime at 300 years old and like Noah could fell trees with a few axe strokes and carry them single handed to the “ark”.

Today such a man or hybrid would be suspicious and the subject of much Hollywood CGI when in Noah’s day no CGI was needed, it was the real thing. But today men are controlled by corporations who run the gold and money in a King North progressive monopoly and the production the demons must man here on Earth must be as undetectable as possible and it must emply the new Nephilim at all levels of the “last days” play so the target humans cannot detect them.

They are presidents, they are people walking in circles at Sandy Hook, they are GB members, they are cops, lawyers, senators, doctors and burger flippers. We do not know who but we can see such a mass infiltration and mega-production is in action whether MK-Ultra, robotiods, perfect possessions, Nephilim, GMO humans, clones, functioning zombies or eggheads or whatever, SOMETHING is orchestrating this thing mostly undetected by the average human and it is now ingrained by the “seed of Satan”, for that allowance is by no means barred at the flood.

But, when the days became dire in the time of Noah, that demon genetic playground had gotten to a degree of severity that had it gone on, let us say had Noah and the seven all died, clearly what remained outside the Ark that did preserve those 8 and some genetically clean animals, was infiltrated by the “seed of Satan” to the degree it would have taken over 100%, it had, not one person climbed aboard the first cruise ship, of Noah Cruise Lines to the New Age we are NOW at the end of.

It became so overrun with demon infiltration and evil Jehovah had one choice: Everything had to die or Satan would have taken over creation not allowing the “seed of the woman” to have human channel into this world and not allowing the sovereign challenge to be carried out to the point of Christ conquest in spirit first, Satan was cheating and trying to cut short the game by unfair and skewed means.

So to today, we have a different goal of the demons, eventually man a system maybe even a global precision energy network of all digitally controllable weaponry and destroy all life on Earth, even frying the ‘human’ “seed of Satan” in the process for the demons are headed for abyss, they know they are going there, their goal is total destruction as per matthew 24:21-22.

But, as before, Jehovah will cut it short but only when the world is again down to the pricniple of Noah and the seven, when Christ arrives he will have to arrive and it will NOT be too soon and it will not be too late it will be down to the septillionth of a second at the speed of light with what might as well be 1000 BILLION angels, and it will be SHUT DOWN, the demon orchestration will be literally unplugged, the engine tossed to abyss.

In the meantime you do not know what you are dealing with out here today, and it wil continue to progress to said divine solution. But they will complete world government it will trigger the Christ to end it.

The Bible is where you know what they are planning. Go read Zechariah 11, the “flock meant for the killing” is JWs, and the evil “valueless shepherd” there is the GB Pied Pipers. This is why Christ COMMANDED a Christian to FLEE the ministry which has the UN NGO “disgusting thing” (Dan11:31b) as they ride the beast in full public knowledge, hence “catch sight” of that and leave, Matthew 24:15.

There will be a deliverance but not the final one, a deliverance from the “abyss” of Revelation 9 which modern JWs have to be tossed into as was IBSA in 1918. Why? JWs have been disobedient, they have idols in the GB, Org, and UN NGO. THAT is NOT good. (Dan8:13-14)

Don’t freak out, just LEAVE while you can before they start herding JWs with the rod of HYPE. (Read 2Thess2:1-2, see it apply in the JW Org with a HOAX “the end”; it will be a severe tribulation of those days, but it is NOT the end, it leads to world government which “one hour” complete entity will trigger the Christ over 15 years from now. (Rev17:12)
From the SOURCE. It is true information. They want to send US witnesses into FEMA come the next mega-event or world war or whatever. In other nations, they have other martial internment plans. They want JWs gone, you should know that by now. But, they fail: Hosea 1:4-7, Destroyer time in 3.19 years of Daniel 8:13-14 from the first markable anti-JW Org event.

Doubt me now, but mark your calendar when they start to go into full blown anti-JW Org operations, it will last ONLY 3.19 years or half of the “2300 evenings and mornings” (Dan8:14,26), it is the dark “the evening” phase, 1150 days, sign of Jonah 3 days, 3.19 years, Hosea 6, READ IT please.

This is the Daniel 8:13-14 prophecy that STUPEFIED Daniel in Daniel 8:27, soon we shall know why. As “the evening” ends, Destroyer is coming out to play with the globalist anti-JW ops, it is a SIGNAL to the JW Org iniltrators:

“”And the [anti-JW] Assyrian shall fall by the sword, not of man; and the sword, not of men, shall devour him; and he shall flee from the sword, and his young men shall become subject to taskwork [death]. 9 And his rock [in the JW Org] shall pass away by reason of terror, and his princes shall be dismayed at the ENSIGN, saith Jehovah, whose fire is in Zion, and his furnace in Jerusalem.””

You want to know who that FIRE and FURNACE is? The Angel of the Covenant aka “The Destroyer”; It’s Temple Judgment penalty phase ending time! (At that time, 3.19 years into the JW Org desolations global)
[QUOTE who=”Tony Price 77″]<quoted text>

A limited what?

<quoted text>

And how do you know all this?

<quoted text>

So then… have you replaced Jehovah’s Witnesses as being Jehovah’s ministry?


Limited period.

The Bible is THE WORD OF GOD, it has everything you just have to keep reading.

I do not have authority to do any “replacing” but I “keep up with Jehovah’s chariot” by the skin of the teeth. The GB is 30 years behind ON PURPOSE. (Dan11:32a) This stuff is just keeping up, JWs have fallen way behind, the problems in there are massive and KN and demonic. (Dan11:30-35; Dan8:11-12; 2Thess2:1-4, 11-12)

Jehovah’s Witnesses is a “brand”, the best in the universe only topped by Jehovah’s angels. It is a known globally visible wrapper and a job as Jehovah’s WITNESS for the anointed Christian true “remnant” final ministry made known in full as backed by prophecy since 1914.

Being Jehovah’s WITNESS the job NOT the “religion” requires valid testimony, UP TO DATE exposure of the enemy system progress to WORLD GOVERNMENT. Jehovah allowed his name and REQUIRED it to be placed on HIS NATION of Jehovah’s witnesses because we represent the Kingdom which shall rule this universe and earth, the MESSIANIC KINGDOM, Jesus is the rep for God’s Kingdom which in official capacity is different, but the same Almighty source. (Dan2:31-45)

So, what Jehovah does when His nation does bad and is profaned is at Zechariah 3:1-5 which is a TEMPLE CLEANSING. Jehovah’s witnesses who can make that judgment are cleansed and recovered for the true final commissioned ministry of Rev10-11, that takes Daniel 8:13-14 time and events to get there as Revelation 8:1-8, Malachi 3:1-5 for the cleansing judgment coming on JWs, using JW Org downfall as the globally seen spectacle of Isaiah 28.

Jehovah ministry will continue with cleansed anointed Christians at that time, now asleep as “ten virgins”, the final prophecy refinement will be 100% complete with that final warning which main message is that of Revelation 14:1-8.

[QUOTE who=”Honey Bee”]<quoted text>

Never heard that one before?


Simple math and Genesis 7:4 too:

Seven days from now I will send rain on the earth for forty days and forty nights, and I will wipe from the face of the earth every living creature I have made.”

It is the modernly to be applicable symbolic “week” here, when in final form:

Daniel 9:27

He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.”

This tells use the 1260 days and the 1290 days, a symbolic week of years, are all Revelation 14:6-8 OPEN FOR SALVATION as to be backed by angels in the 1290. (Daniel 12:11)

The marking of the “middle of the week” will be the end of the 1260 days which final warning of temple cleansed Jehovah’s witnesses, coming out of Daniel 8:13-14 and Revelation8-9, will be CEASED by active and complete 8th King world government into which fray Christ arrives. That 8th King completion is the co-criteria of Daniel 12:11 “place the disgusting thing” co-present to mark the start of the final “half of the week”, the 1290 days.
“From the time that the daily sacrifice (final warning ceased, ends 1260 days) is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up (as full world government), there will be 1,290 days. 1290 days to “confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.'” that is the great crowd is secured in this period of salvation, the final “half of the week”.
Thus, as per Matthew 24:29-31 Christ first arrives, AFTER the “tribulation of those days” completes, and it is to oversee the 1290 days of his global “sheep sweep” (Matt24:31; Matt25:30-41; Rev14:14-16), then the conquest delivers “the happy” to the Daniel 12:12 cut off into the 1000 Year reign of Christ.

The “great crowd” is invited to “evening meal of the Lamb’s marriage” to enter the final covenant for this period (to be the earthly children of the Lamb’s marriage), the 8th covenant overall, as the first children of Christ to be, Christ Eternal Father startup, day one, it is a reception in which only the saved will participate and the early resurrection of Revelation 11:15-18 of the prophets and so on.

Revelation 19:6b-8

For our Lord God Almighty reigns.
7Let us rejoice and be glad
and give him glory!
For the wedding of the Lamb has come,
and his bride has made herself ready.
8Fine linen, bright and clean,
was given her to wear.”
(Fine linen stands for the righteous acts of God’s holy people.)

9Then the angel said to me, “Write this: Blessed are those who are invited to the wedding supper of the Lamb!” And he added, “These are the true words of God.”

Joel 2:17

“”Blow the trumpet in Zion, (final warning)
declare a holy fast,
call a sacred assembly.
16Gather the people,
consecrate the assembly;
bring together the elders,
gather the children,
those nursing at the breast.
Let the bridegroom leave his room
and the bride her chamber.””
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I can’t say you’re definitely wrong.

But, it’s been continual one world government for 6000 years, hasn’t it?

thesis + antithesis becomes synthesis becomes thesis + antithesis becomes synthesis becomes thesis + antithesis becomes synthesis etc?

Ever since question to Eve , “Is it really so…?”

synthetic sicks. [makes me want to throw up.]

That’s all I know -or think I know- about synthetic.

Thanks for pointing out *yet another* instance of 7 to 1 ratio exceptionalism, Noah’ s Ark, that I hadn’t noticed before.


WW1 to League of Nations, WW2 to UN, Cold WW3 to UN NWO Mantra, final cycle to UN World Government in the future by way of the Hegelian dialectic in a global cycle you have described. They use it because it works.

But now with UN 1-2-3 in spite of JW silence on UN 3 1990, they are predictable to the ultimate degree. We are going into the Revelation 13:3 which describes the same world-war-to-world-government dialectic “problem to solution” you described, the world war “sword stroke” heals into world government.

The reaction they engineer is for the world to ADMIRE 666 world government at global scale.

Thus the carrot they lead JWs with at this time is a HOAX “the end” to run as the dialiectic cycle STARTS; that way they can sell the JW Org planned desolation as if “the end” and JWs will by it for 3.19 years of Daniel 8:13-14, “the evening” period of pitch darkness.

Clue: There are now LESS THAN 6 million witnesses merely hidden in Bethel’s lying stats (Rev2:2 and a pathetically small growth rate cushion which if this post 1975 decline trend continued it would result in ZERO% JW “grwoth” by 2024, it is in reality in 3% decline in even active JW numbers. They are thus, liquidating JW assets down to the real numbers prior to the planned JW Org PLUNGE into the oblivion of Revelation 9.

JWs have 30 to 60 BILLION in “laid up riches” assets, so this is a big haul for the King North globalists, BIG because it could be as high as 100 BILLION, 30 BILLION low ball certain in the global stats.

Think about it, JWs think the Org is hurting, yet they got lowball 30 BILLION laying around. Cave of Robbers is what it is and Christ will flip their tables FIRST. 91Pet4:17; Dan8:13-14)
Super Glue wrote:
Let me rephrase the title of this thread correctly: why do JWs make Jesus name sounds so dirty? It is bad to reduce Jesus to Michael the archangel but it is rather real, real, extremely, ultimately bad for Jehovah’s Witnesses to call JESUS as Abaddon or Apollyon in the Greek language. Look even the Watchtower Society told us that the name Abaddon means THE BAD ONE and ABADDON a.k.a Apollyon means SAtan the devil. Finished Mistry book p. 159. So who is Jesus according to Jehovah’s Witnesses? Abaddon Apollyon, Satan the devil.
Jesus is judge of BOTH Greeks (Apollyon application) and Jews (Abaddon application), as in gentiles and anointed are all under his judgment power. He is the DESTROYER appointed by God to wreck the enemy.

He ceases the attack on JWs, but allows the Org to be desolated, but for final warning purposes, he is the Angel of the Covenant so he oversees the temple judgment of Zechariah 3:1-5, Malachi 3:1-5, Revelation 8:1-8 all parallel to the events and timing of Daniel 8:13-14 in the 1 Peter 4:17 God judges his own house first, principle.

Jesus name is dirty to you, to us he is “Jehovah’s Salvation” the NUMBER ONE creation of Yahweh from aeons ago, the “Chosen One”, the King of BOTH God’s Kingdom (temporarily) and the Messianic Kingdom FOREVER!

You know, The ONLY Begotten Son of GOD ALMIGHTY, Numero UNO! Jesus the Christ of God Jehovah.

You oughta run on home and hide now.

The WTBTS pantheon of corporatism is worth about 50 BILLION “laid up riches”. It is about 1:1.5:2.5 in nailed down assets, liquid loot in Chase and Goldman, and stocks in a hedge fund wrapper. They will rip off the 40 billion and leave the 10 billion on the ground for the national vultures and legal eagles of the nation-state systems. The JW “table” of their “cave of robbers” is tossed first, it will be Daniel 8:13-14 parallel Revelation 8:1-8 in the 1 Peter 4:17 priority.

It is called the Temple Judgment of Jehovah’s witnesses. It is WAY WAY WAY worse than this little smidgen of dirty money. That is why the money will be looted. (Eze7:22)
Cedars, Simon and King may get their 22nd degree for their mission. They are FRAUDS, they work the external traps fishing for those who broke free from the JW apostasy to milk them. You can knock JW Org all you want on their sites but they filter out the real reason when it is posted with the analysis. Like the GB, they are also “dfing” frauds.
The greatest late stage impetus to escape the Catholic Papal murderers was America. Study of the Reformation since 1200 will give the information on why they had to cross an ocean to get away from the Papal Hound of Hell.

Once in America the word “freedom” had true meaning for people of faith, because the Catholics could not intall an Inquisition here to silence their opposers. Along with the advances in printing press technology enough Bibles were printed to bury the Vatican a mile deep.

From such a generically free context, the final stages of Reformation intent produced a new “last days” chapter of God’s progress to push the Bible far and wide, but profiteering religions also formed as the success grew.

Now we are at a new point of silence and stagnation for world government will complete and it triggers the Christ arrival clearly gaugeable in the 8 world power trek, yet the churches won’t say boo, including WTBTS, they have all been overrun again, but this time it is the globalist world governemnt developers in there. (Dan11:32a)

Once again God will toss a red hot monkey wrench into their little resistance of Him and the KING Jesus Christ so when they do arrive (Rev1:7-8) the basis of judgment and eyes wide open will be at recod and global levels for the final judgment of the sheep and the goats.

The whole time it has all been true but religions became the truth’s worst enemy, they are Babylon the Great, ALL OF THEM, but the anointed Christian minsitry can be salvaged for the final warnign after JW Org is decimated by King North, soon. (Dan11:41; Dan8:13-14)
Thinking you may be anointed or nearing the call be a perception God furnishes?


They is a “falling away” on record of Matthew 25:1-13, and about half of the “ten virgins” will be rejected in this Daniel 8:13-14 Temple Judgment on Jehovah’s witnesses coming up, SOON.

That means NEW AND FINAL ANOINTED CANDIDATES will be needed.

This is why there has been a spike of increase in JW anointed numbers. The noobs have to fill in for the “fall aways”, the final sealing is contingent in completing the final warning to best of one’s ability, which final prophecy details will emerge AFTER JW Org goes down for “transgression causing desolation” UN NGO of Daniel 8:13 which is the “fire” of Revelation 8:1-8, Zechariah 3:1-5 and Malachi 3:1-5.

It is 1 Peter 4:17.

STAY AWAKE, more are needed at this time for final warning final mission work. (Rev9-11)
Well we know God will DESTROY Christendom by way of the 8th King “ten horns” in time. It was his arrangement, merely notified in 1919 of the rejection as Israel tasted many centuries previously.

The ONLY arrangement God will discipline and not destroy is the completion of the anointed Christian ministry. So, Romans 13 speaks of another “arrangement” of God which he will REARRANGE in time.


What then?

Daniel 8:13-14 is what then. Revelation 8:1-8 of the NEAR future. JWs have gone astray by wayward GB glory hound idol lead.

God will trample HIS OWN arrangement, in fact, he tramples them all, question is to what degree. The 144000 shall complete, he will not trample the faithful or the “great crowd”, EVERYTHING else will be neutralized as if non-existent.

Jehovah’s witnesses should know we are not immune to judgment, we should know it hits us first. (1Pet4:17)


“For it is time for the judgment to start with the house [arrangement] of God”…
[QUOTE who=”Honey Bee”]<quoted text>

It will be a Great Fall.[/QUOTE]

A fall for King South as Daniel 11:41-43 goes into its climax fulfillment impossible with the anti-Daniel 11:36c FAILED USSR.

King North never fails as per Daniel 11:36-39, and King North is GLOBALISM BASED world government who rises to zenith upon the momentum of the King South nation-state system fall, which 8th King King North will “heal” in to the “hour of test” which is under world government in climax form.

We are heading into the “tribulation of those days” as the “sword stroke” that “heals” context as shown in Matthew 24:29-31, where Christ arrives AFTER the TOTD, is complete for it is from King North not God, for the “problem” to “solution” cycle in which cycle they are the final global solution as far as men are concerned.

Then Christ arrives as shown in Matthew 24:29-31 and it is NOT “the end” even then, nope, he gathers the sheep FIRST as per Matthew 24:31, there is no “end” in that Matthew 24:29-31 sequence only full knowledge of it which aids the GLOBAL SHEEP SWEEP in the Revelation 14:6-8 off PRIOR TO Revelation 14:17-20, the goat phase is last also in Matthew 25:41-46.

This coming up is a required 7th King FALL, prior to 8th King rise into full world government the whole world will see which then triggers the Christ arrival; a final 1260 day warning will have preceded that event as per Revelation 11:3.
[QUOTE who=”Honey Bee”]<quoted text>


Both are the most sneaky, allies with N.Korea against USA, Israel turns to Germany,
Germany with Mexico at its heals.

Russia has already been arming Argentina and allies with Egypt. (Nuclear Power).

They all hate the USA, but not it’s money. It’s all a game of power, wanting to be that king that rules the board.

All world government will fall in the end, there is no stopping that.[/QUOTE]

In the national level media play that is true, at the top they all already joined the UN, the so-called elites of ALL the nations are in on world government, world war is the gravy train that adds to the World Government Endowment Start Up Fund. Hence Daniel 11:42-43 shows the globalist elites will soon own ALL the global gold and silver and ALL the riches of that national powers, and this last world war throws in the last 35%, then BTG adds a cool 500 TRILLION to the stacks.

That is why Isaiah 41 says “let the national groups REGAIN power” as Revelation 13:3 states this final world war sword stroke HEALS into that Ultra Rich 8th King World Government AFTER this final plunge has run its course.

KING NORTH WORLD GOVERNMENT composed of many national elite systems is who will be king for but “one hour”, THE SHORTEST rival rule of all time: Revelation 17:12.

[QUOTE who=”Nomi”]Sure sounds dicey…..

It MUST go to the complete 8th King Scarlet Wildbeast, not just the UN “image of the beast” but to full world government before Christ arrives. There are 8 Kings, 6 have now fallen, that seventh “remains a short time” because it is King South made subservient to world government King North.

It is King North who goes of into destruction explicitly stated. That is also how King South and King North “push” between the nation-state system and globalism. When King North globalism succeeds in final form (Dan11:36c), it is by pawning King South non-destructively, by assuming control of the gold and wealth of “Egypt” King South domain. (Dan11:42-43)

They are telling JWs the end “can be tonight to watch out!” because they plan to try to takeover the org and telling JWs to think that is the end will mean JWs will not put up a fight when the org goes down (Dan11:41; Dan8:13-14), they will think it is “the end, prophecy is fulfilling brothers!”

That will be true, it will be the Daniel 8:13-14 prophecy of Revelation 8:1-8 final cycle, but NOT the end sequence prophecy which comes from 1260 days final warning from recovered and cleansed JWs, into well-forewarned world government, into Christ arrival it will trigger once they tell the world they are the new kings of the world. Christ will show them by superior forces who is the King of the World: Revelation 11:15.

Fred Franz died in 1992, they did not let him update Daniel 11 to explain what USSR falling meant: as per Daniel 11:36 they could NOT be King North success, because they failed.

Daniel 11:36 “””[King North] will do as he pleases. [King North] will exalt and magnify himself above every god and will say unheard-of things against the God of gods. [King North] WILL BE SUCCESSFUL until the time of wrath [Armageddon] is completed, for what has been determined must take place.””

The GLOBALISTS are who fulfill that success in prophecy all the way to world government in the future after this coming “sword-stroke” world war. (Rev13:3)
[QUOTE who=”I_know_better_now “]<quoted text>

There is a major difference with being disciplined and being attacked. You need to choose Jehovah’s side. Whatever someone on top does Jehovah’s side is still his side. Punishment aside those individuals will pay for whatever they do wrong… You need to stop attacking Jehovah by stopping to attack his organization with your words. If you are rightly disposed Jehovah will forgive you but don’t test his patience.[/QUOTE]

Me attacking Jehovah? Are you NUTS? I am telling you what He will do to the UN allied JW Org. Get it through your thick head, I attack the apostate creeps who are crawling all over Jehovah’s arrangement, you bet they will be early for the hanging.

Jehovah will send out Destroyer 3.19 years into the desolation to fry them from the Org, THEN he is going to visit their house, not to destroy them, just to create some payback mayhem to let the final warning emerge.

JWs now share with Satan and the wildbeast and the GB rapists. JWs best expect to hear from Jehovah alright as they and you try to sweep that garbage under the rug.

Better face it as soon as you can, trying to justify this and think Jehovah aint fuming pissed-off is just making him more angry. ADMIT IT, it is the first step, get off your high horse, you mean well, but the org has hit the iceberg dude, it was not your fault, now it has to pay a HUGE price. (Matt25:1-13; Zech3:1-5)

It is what it is. Jehovah would tell you the same thing, we are on the same side. In fact HE is telling you the same thing. (Matthew 24:15) Get out of the trap while you can, and clonk a JW over the head, throw them in your trunk, and take them with you; apparently, that is the only way.

THIS IS GOING TO BE HUGE ON THE ORG AND THE GLOBAL CONTEXT WILL BE “OF BIBLICAL PROPORTIONS”. When that hits, they are going to try to haul as many JWs as possible to the trap “Bunkers” then prison.


[QUOTE who=”I_know_better_now “]<quoted text>

(Psalm 35:20, 21) 20 For they do not speak words of peace, But they deceptively scheme against the peaceful ones of the land. 21 They open their mouth wide to accuse me, Saying: “Aha! Aha! Our eyes have seen it.”

That is what the GB plots against the final anointed and they try to shut up the Kingdom before men by telling them the sealing is complete, when in reality, we are going into a 50% decrease cycle due to their lawlessness, they know what they are doing they sin against the spirit. Yet JWs follow them like little ducks.

The GB is not going to make it, their “1/3” 40 year Korah error of Dan8:11-12 is up. JWs have been stagnated since 1969, so the “1/3 darkness” is due to them black vipers in the GB glory and riches squad. This is why instead increasing the ministerial “constant feature” they decrease it and pollute it and have “laid up riches” in the tens of BILLIONS while they spend a little so JWs will buy their KN gag of Daniel 11:32a.

Can you imagine what Jehovah will do to this Devil arrangement that has set “cowbird” roost in his arrangement? 185,000 Assyrians will die, that is the symbol and many will be crawling around the org, the smooth face seed of Satan all over the JW ministry tainting the constant which the Satanic artwork is just the TIP of that black iceberg.

Daniel 8:13-14 is now required to run the course on the JW Org. You will know whan it hits for the inception proof timing is based on those initial events or event. Then JWs head into the “tribulation of those days” as Jehovah tosses them from the ship, into the “sea”, to be swallowed up by the “fish” he shall appoint to be spit up as the Daniel 8:14 “the morning” from the final cycle Revelation 9 “abyss”.

That 3.19 years DARKNESS is the modern “sign of Jonah” three days symbolic as 3 years. (Hosea6:1-3) Daniel 8:14 1150 days “darkness”, Isaiah 37:

30 And this shall be the sign unto thee: ye shall eat this year that which groweth of itself, and in the second year that which springeth of the same; and in the third year sow ye, and reap, and plant vineyards, and eat the fruit thereof. 31 And [j]the remnant that is escaped of the house of Judah shall again take root downward, and bear fruit upward. 32 For out of Jerusalem shall go forth a remnant, and out of mount Zion they that shall escape. The zeal of Jehovah of hosts will perform this.

33 Therefore thus saith Jehovah concerning the king of Assyria, He shall not come unto this city, nor shoot an arrow there, neither shall he come before it with shield, nor cast up a mound against it. 34 By the way that he came, by the same shall he return, and he shall not come unto this city, saith Jehovah. 35 For I will defend this city to save it, for mine own sake, and for my servant David’s sake. 36 And the angel of Jehovah went forth, and smote in the camp of the Assyrians a hundred and fourscore and five thousand; and when men arose early in the morning, behold, these were all dead bodies. 37 So Sennacherib king of Assyria departed…

Jehovah gives them the “Israel” mutinous JW Org (Hos1:4-7), but they will NOT take JWs globally scattered at that time. They meet the “Furnace of Jerusalem” and the “Fire of Zion”, that is to say they will taste the Destroyer to allow the final warning to emerge:

And the [Globalist infiltrating] Assyrian shall fall by the sword, not of man; and the sword, not of men, shall devour him; and he shall flee from the sword, and his young men shall become subject to taskwork [death]. 9 And his rock (Rev8:9 JW org infiltration) shall pass away by reason of terror, and his princes shall be dismayed at the ensign [DESTROYER], saith Jehovah, whose fire is in Zion, and his furnace in Jerusalem. (Isaiah 31:8-9)

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meaning of Christendom: the worldwide body or society of Christians.
the Christian world.

so all the Christians are going to get destroyed,and not the jws is what your saying….a very very position your putting yourself into …..the son is the only judge…..and your judging?????…in theory your taking Christ place….[/QUOTE]

No. Christendom is like what corrupted JWs, it is the corporate control device of Caesar implementation designed in Babel.

Christendom is the control entity that controls Christians for the wildbeast, the most advanced example is the Catholic state indoctrination system. JWs are Christians now returned to such a GB ruled state.

ANYONE not just “Christian” can avail themselves of salvation come Revelation 14:6-8 time when you shall see, if you get that far, WORLD GOVERNMENT OUTLAW AND DESTROY ALL RELIGION, in the future.

But some Christians need to says so, and at this time they teach only Christendom propaganda of the beast. Diversions. So, there will be a global final warning to say so, it will use recovered JWs to do so because they, as bad as they became, are streamlined into the final prophecy which just repeats their first prophecy cycle of 1914-1922.

[QUOTE who=”Missy2″]I have been on this forum for years and it never seems to change, some one is always looking to argue or find fault, Nomi keeps answering Spike, and Spike enjoys this and Jackie (Honey—–) seems to constantly find fault or stir up trouble.
Knowing several who post here, and no one uses their real name, why should Jackie be so upset over the use of the name Emma. No one, and I mean no one would confuse the two Jackie’s even if Jackie used her real name. For one thing, Jackie (Honey——) been never hides her ISP or changes it, so she is very noticeable. For her information Emmaswish was the name of one of her horses that now belongs to her daughter. From all her posting–Jackie knows nothing about horses or children– having neither. We do know from previous posts that she is a “failed” Bible study so she seeking to find fault with everything she can.
There are many new ones posting here and many have left, but it seems the agenda never changes. When the JW’s acknowledge that some of the time they may be wrong, it might make Topix a more pleasant place to post. This will never happen if we judge things by the history of the forum.
I agree with those who have left, this forum is a lost cause and very redundant.[/QUOTE]

It is about the only free-speech forum, Jehovah set it up, it is typical of ANY Christian congregation, Paul covered all this “back biting” and James covered the root as fleshly desires, so it is nothing new.

In the meantime, people can say what they wish and soemtimes the Daniel 8:13-14 truth comes out that this final temple judgment cycle, for they all BEGIN “at the temple” as when Christ tossed the money tables, has to START with Jehovah’s witnesses who are now in a lawless GB cabal led ministry that has done some very very very bad things and “because of transgression” the JW ministry is allowed to be subverted as per Daniel 8:12.

When the world’s final cycle begins and proceeds in earnest they will tell JWs and the whole world will think it too, “the end is here brothers”, go to the bunkers so we can send you to prison, and it will START on JWs. But it will be the final sword stroke as per Revelation 13:3, a world war which runs its engineered course to 8th King world government. That takes over a decade from the start of it.

A final warning will emerge from the temple judgment, then Christ arrives. You learned that here at Topix, Jehovah set up this on-line congregation, THAT is why it is the freest speech forum IN THE WORLD!. Hope Topix mankes a few million more, they deserve it, unknowingly or not, they work for Jehovah as does the world even if Christ takes over, all things go according to the divine will.

JWs go down next, Daniel 8:13-14, Revelation 8:1-8.
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you put out the 1919 date lie….back it up[/QUOTE]

It involves Daniel 12:11 1.0 of 2, when you guys sided with the wildbeast, it may be too far out for you. It has been the main JW battle cry ever since, you know the judgment of Christendom as an irrecoverable harlot who leads people for state and commercial use rather than God’s use.

Now we see the pattern surface in JWs, but they can be recovered while providing a final cycle sign of inception as Daniel 8:13-14, You carcass of a house is done, but thanks for still printing Bibles so individuals can make it.

NOW it is JW’s turn at the judgment if you missed the first one you will NOT miss the JW judgment.

The whole JW ministry is partly based on the exposure of Christendom as the lair of “hated birds” or aka demon spirits, you can go look up some Russell, Rutherford or Franz for that tired information, it is now old old hat, fossil hat, moth holed hat, done hat, black hat, sad hat.

Your corporation is done. So is JWs, but they can have a laptop and a van recovered from the ordeal along with a cleansing for the final warning. (Zech3:1-5; Rev8:1-8)

You will know when the storm hits this world, on of the floods will be Isaiah 28 on JW’s sin pot. (Zech11)

[QUOTE who=”Jparkh81″]<quoted text>
What can be found in the bible is that Jesus was worshiped and the people worshiping were never told not to by anyone. That is called tacit agreement in law. By not objecting Jesus condoned it. Notice every other place an angel or Godly person is worshiped, the angel or Godly person immediately tell the person to stop. Was what happened next in those instances not so important?

Acts 10:25–26
Revelation 19:10
Revelation 22:8-9

In Mathew 2 the wise men worship Jesus and then right after were warned by God in a dream to not return to Herod. Couldn’t God have warned them not to commit idolatry in the same dream or did God forget? [/QUOTE]

Go ahead, break the first commandment and use Christ for your blasphemy, but you were warned. With the “tres amigos” sorcerers they are not under commandments of Israel, as you know, they saw Gabriel and probably Penuel, who knows, and fled sweating bullets to give accidental witness to hither and thither that the long awaited ASS KICKER OF THE DEVIL MICHAEL had come into the world as a, ironically, little perfect-human ass kicking infant.

But, Michael’s task at that time was to become Jesus then the Christ of God Almighty and to give God the perfect sacrifice, blood, body, Perfecto-DNA, the WHOLE HUMAN PACKAGE FOR FUTURE USE, not to kick any proverbial ass; yet. God even gives truly-ignorant pagans a witness from way way back, he was not there to school them in Moses.

They all became Jehovah’s witnesses, but by the other route.

====What is the difference between a Kingdom Hall and Topix JW Congregation? Not much actually. JWs go out hunting people down slinking behind drapes and blinds, to hear the same things said here, but in usually highly abbreviated form; here everyone gives their full schpeel, and there are much more people not just the 3 or 4 as at a JW accidentally answered door cause they thought it was Ed McMahon.

This saves much time and gasoline.

Much of the dialogue here is going on in “1/3” or more JW heads at the hall, but out of fearing of the Burning JW Stake from the Viper-Flaming GB Popes, most JWs at a KH cannot air their opinions and yet stay out of “GB Issued Gehenna”.

So, Topix is just like Kingdom Hall, only better, more complete and 7, 24 hours, 365. (Except at a KH Spike cannot stalk Nomi over to Walmart after the meeting)
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Nope. It must get old being wrong all the time.

it goes like this:
God says there are no Formed gods before Me or after Me.
You say Jesus is a formed god.
Therefore you are in direct contradiction to God. [/QUOTE]

Things changed after Jesus arrived as HE explained and COMPLETED the Mosiac law, and that was a divine revelation from the time of the Jewish era. The Jews believe as you believe, stuck in the past.

Christians believe differently for the Word was and the Word was a god and Jesus Christ has been elevated to the superior position for also sacrificial mission accomplished, and is now the made immortal “Mighty God” and “Eternal Father” of mankind in the future when he actually applies that “Last Adamic” perfection to humans in the 1000 Year Reign.

You have missed a lot listening to the cast off Jewish ideas while mixing in Christendom’s “inspired demon utterances”.

And more is about to change for the temple judgment begins with Jehovah’s witnesses for the final cycle. Daniel 8:13-14

When you see that in time, soon, maybe you’ll catch on how real this really is.

[QUOTE who=”Jparkh81″]<quoted text>
God said, there will not be any FORMED gods AFTER me
and you say Jesus came along AFTER GOD and became a FORMED god. Is that Right?

and you say more change is about to happen eh? so how else are you going to contradict GOD and change what He already said?


God is who must do it for the final warning, when they complete 8th King world government the Christ will arrive for the sheep-sweep then the war. It is the “world judgment” this next world war is leading to, in time. (Rev13:3; Rev19:11-21)

You are not on the correct page, off point, and in the world delusion set up through Christendom. JWs are in a newer but similar subversion. (Dan8:12; Dan11:30-35)

The GB of JWs will not survive the storm that is coming. You will see some of the JW Org downfall on CNN. (Dan8:13-14) It will be the final global signal of more to come.

[QUOTE who=”EL C – GSB”]<quoted text> Trump in the Jesus club? Not sure what you mean. If it is a reference to him meeting a voiolent fate? Well, nothing would surprise me. But, i dont see him as one of the good guys. Hardly!

Lincoln? Perhaps, he still approved of war.

Kennedy?..Hehhhh. Not sure…..However, i am sure that he passively stood by while a political leader was assasinated somewhere in Asia (memory fails me) that was said of him…Think it was Cambodia or Vietnam. His face was said to turn ashen when he found out….Kennedy was killed by our military industrial complex who wanted a war in Vietnam. Kennedy was leaning against it.

MLK, Malcom X (who was radically changing his views at the time)….And perhaps, Princess Diana ( who was perceived as a threat. She was in above her head by dating a Muslim and the political ramifications of the mother of a future king of a former grand empire doing such a thing) It was enormous and she naively didnt even realize it….But, as i stated, i don’t want to veer off there.

Perhaps, she could have been warned. And she might have followed the sober course and not have taken the risk…..But, who is to say she was going to marry either of the 2? But, powers that be were simply not going to risk it. They perceived her as a ‘loose cannon’.

She had tremendous power that only a female could posess in her position. However, she did not the real power.

Or it could have simply been a banal car accident.


“Good” is too general of a term. As one has to dig into it they find they are not so good except Christ.

I mean those “good” who go against an irreversible trend from the real “powers that be” associated with globalist finance since 1697 in an organized form.

Lincoln shared in the greatest slaughter in American history up to that time, had a new constitution penned to corporatize America under a super-sovereign elitist club of financiers funding the war in loan form while imprisoning 1000s of journalists who attempted to expose the abuse of a martial law executive action which still stands to this day. Lincoln was perhaps the most sinister president prior to the Bush regime.

BUT, what that Devil Lincoln also did was try to put all financial and economic power into the control of the US government instead of the private Anglo-run cabal of Rothschild true Globalist Devil Finance Masterminds. Lincoln wanted the US Gov to print their own currency interest-free and that got a bullet in his head. Same with Kennedy, same with Christ. (It shows Lincoln was more a puppet than a mastermind by the way, no one who knew who really ran things would screw with their piggy bank cash cow)

But Christ was different he wanted the commerce totally gone from the temple, three days later he was assassinated by state means. Follow the money it is ALWAYS at a root of all the global event scale evils, as the BIble says the love of money is this, but in globalist form it is currency control maturing since 1697. (Currency is NOT “money”, see Mike Maloney)

Trump is going against certain tiers of globalist regional control advancements like TPP and NAFTA (EU objective related devices, control by wealth consolidation). Those organizations are rigged to jettison HUGE VOLUMES of public monies into supra-nationally tiered corporations by a matrix of transnational corporate and international law engineered supra-national agencies. The parallel goal is indebting the nation-states at astronomically fatal levels, to come in after the next chaos-crisis cycle (Rev13:3) as the ONLY ones who can “bail out” the national governments then subservient 100%. (Dan11:42-43) (Trump is about 20 27 years and 500 TRILLION dollars in embezzlement and debt/unfunded liabilities on the nation-state liability TOO LATE)

Trump is one of those who is only going to delay their progress in international regionalization of globalization entities in mature form as the final ingredients of world government which will be composed of all these parts being truly set in place since especially Lincoln’s time and changes.

Every Watchtower president was murdered in one form or another, direct assassination or radiation/poison and 3 of them at a world war transition in 1916, 1942, and 1992. All coincidence?

[QUOTE who=”EL C – GSB”].And perhaps, Princess Diana ( who was perceived as a threat. She was in above her head by dating a Muslim and the political ramifications of the mother of a future king of a former grand empire doing such a thing) It was enormous and she naively didnt even realize it….But, as i stated, i don’t want to veer off there.

Perhaps, she could have been warned. And she might have followed the sober course and not have taken the risk…..But, who is to say she was going to marry either of the 2? But, powers that be were simply not going to risk it. They perceived her as a ‘loose cannon’.

She had tremendous power that only a female could posess in her position. However, she did not the real power.

Or it could have simply been a banal car accident.


It was as you first said, imo and others, “risk management” Anglo style. The future will testify as to why they want no further complications at that level of power with the doomed “Muslim” world who will go down with the Middle East going into 100% globalist control. The Saudis and other “Muslims” at the highest levels of power are ancient Satanists so they are all retained as need for the whole place “elite” tier, the true core not the “celebritues” is all ancient Babel Satanists.

The point is do ANYTHING that threatens their power or wealth and they are neutralized. It will get so bad AFTER this world war, btw, when under 100% 8th King WORLD GOVERNMENT Christ will literally HAVE TO ARRIVE, or no flesh would be saved, it will get that bad.

The world war coming up will be bad too, but not that bad and it is NOT AS DANGEROUS as the period it leads to when King North 8th King assumes 100% global power. THEN, is when it gets bad “during a freedom from care” of “world peace” as the cover (Dan8:25; 1Thess5:1-3), it is a highly organized global depopulation agenda by that time, scheduled over several years, but Christ drops in because he must by that time.

The world war cycle we are going into is designed for people to think that is “the end”, but in reality the entity that arrises AFTER that world war will be the most dangerous of them all, hence allowed for only “one hour” of Revelation 17:12 global rule, but complete and rule it must.

This is how you know the GB is set up to mislead JWs with the hoax diversion that this next crash and world war is “the end”, but as Per Revelation 13:3 and Revelation 17:8-18 it is not yet the end as per Matthew 24:6, UNTIL world government completes and rules its given “one hour”, then they are destroyed by King Christ.

That is easily 15 years off for the total wrap up. But less than 20.

[QUOTE who=”GreatSouthbay4040″]<quoted text> DR SOS says to you


How do you expect anyone to take your biblical advice seriously after consistently trolling?”

( unquote)

You reply

“Because people know I have a sense of humor, it is not nose to the grindstone seriousness all day long which “Makes Jack a Dull Boy”.”

( unquote)

So, are you admitting that you are full of bologna with all these cockamanie prophecies?

Thank you. SOS got you cornered and i don’t think he even realized it…. And he did it by your own sense of EGO and wanting to fit in. You fell for it hook, line and sinker.

Again…..Your quote bears repitition for emphasis.

“Because people know I have a sense of humor, it is not nose to the grindstone seriousness all day long which “Makes Jack a Dull Boy”.”

( unquote)

Thanks, again, for proving you dont even believe your BS!

Look, by the time you went have way round the block that was my footprints in the sidewalk concrete, you can’t play with my head like your other “man crushes”, LOL.

No, Daniel 8:13-14 speaks for itself and will continue to do so. I just match the Daniel 11:30-32 pattern to UN 3 1990 and the GB apostasy, and Daniel 8:11-12 now to explain why, how, who, what and where JWs are in those tricky prophecies even Fred Franz stated he was not certain he had the correct interpretation at that time. Now we know why, he was early true blue and getting the GB knife in the back with Knorr, those guys are my brothers, the GB otherwise can taking a flying you know what, they are lawlessness embodied in the fulfillment of 2Thess2:3-4 in zenith “we are FDS” form since 2011, October.

This way once you know the Daniel 8:14 “right condition” is NO LONGER present with JWs, you then know exactly what that means: The judgment must START, once again, with Jehovah’s witnesses. (1Pet4:17)

By the time this is the ONLY alternative “view” left (3.19 years into the JW org downfall from when it begins in the near future) you and JWs will have this news, and it will have been out for ten years in full form since 2012, maybe a few years longer by that time.

So, by that time, you will NOT be able to say “he is just making it up”. You will have lived the worst part of the nightmare, God willing.

Things are way off in the anointed Christian ministry because there is no longer any anointed Christians or at the least some in rejection-mode in the ministry. Most of the GB is born-in fraud infiltrators, which was pretty easy, spew some Fred Franz in a tie an Rolex and JWs will eat from your hand and kiss your black occult opal rings.

It is what it is, eventually, the prophecy will be the only VALID description and recourse, and RECOURSE is exactly what God shall provide as per Daniel 8:11-14, Revelation 8 (to Rev11:3), Zechariah 3, Malachi 3, Isaiah 6.

Then you will know what we are talking about. If you are not fit for duty you will be left out unless you can get in shape fast, and there will be time for that. (Dan8:14 to the final 1260 days)
What makes the WTBTS crimes unique is rather than limit liability to the “clergy” tier, as with the Catholics, the volunteer “elder police” AND the “sweep it under the rug” WTBTS POLICY has now spread REAL LIABILITY down to the congregational atomic level; that is, theoretically even minus RICO prosecutions, EVERY JW, non-victim, could be sued and fined and even thrown in jail if the legal winds decided to go that route.

This is brilliant as far as the “enemy in the house” is concerned because add to that a 50 BILLION dollar RACKET using a “religious card” to avoid taxes and other harlot perks, we have a pedophile-policy prosecution that can take the org apart from the grass roots level to the RICO prosecutions which can:

1. Take the corporate head center out.

2. And accelerate the action to a dawn raid the moment the writ is signed by the judge.

This is what we call a perfect WTBTS storm brewing, because no other church, for they all have the pedophile menace to deal with, has distributed punitive and criminal liability in the manner of WTBTS from bottom across and over every seat in the KH, to the top down and global at that. It is as if it was planned to be this precarious.

It is unique. Don’t tell me this is just corruption and lack of oversight, this shows signs of brilliant evil intelligent calculating design.

They could shut down the org, seize the assets, toss 10% and more JWs in jail, literally overnight if it goes full blown RICO too boot. What kind of a GB “board of directors” is this stupid? One that is doing it on purpose. (Dan11:32a)
[QUOTE who=”dlmacoop”]OooOOookie dokie then.

Quite a fantasy you’ve cooked up there. And how do the illuminati fit in?[/QUOTE]


Really glad you asked. The Illuminati are the “light” of this dead world, KN Kings, two horned wildbeast bigwigs.

As George Bush Sr. stated at the UN 3.0 speeches of 1990, “we have an ancient dream”, it is the dream related to King Nimrod World Government attempt 1, plains of Shinar, Genesis 10-11. The Illuminati is a diversion in name only, the group originated with Nimrod as George Bush Sr. referred to.

In modern terms they have a premature end delusion, the one Paul warned of at 2 Thessalonians 2:1-2 in place in the JW grey matter, for a planned attack on the Org which is the King North “invasion” of the “decoration” of Daniel 11:41.

Now when that hits, for your FUTURE TIMED STAMP PROOF, Daniel 8:14 will run its 2300 “evenings and mornings” in two phases “evening” darkness of JWs first, the “the morning” as stated by Gabriel at Daniel 8:13-14,26. 1150 days, or 3.19 years of JW Org desolation will be met by the Destroyer “Angel of the Covenant” purge of the weeds and infiltrators as the Revelation 8 parallel of what is the temple judgment.

Now that is the four trumpets are in the four plagues global context of hell on Earth “tribulation of those days”, very very severe, enough to look like doomsday, but as Revelation 13:3 states the “death stroke” will get healed when this next world war resolves into the fourth and final UN presentation in WORLD GOVERNMENT.

As the Destroyer cleans out the mess in the JW “Temple” it is the fifth and sixth trumpet segway of Revelation 9, which has wording which repeats in diads like no other book in the Bible, because this will be the SECOND TIME, Jehovah’s witnesses (previously IBSA0 will be released from that “abyss” of the temple judgment, hence the abyss opened by Apollyon will also be the “morning”, phase 2, of Daniel 8:14. (It is the “light your lamps” phase for the ten virgins of which only the five discreet virgins will have the ORIGINAL JW “oil” to help light up that dawn, the final warning 1260 days of Revelation 11:2-3, at Matthew 25:1-13)

Now KEEP IN MIND the recovery of JWs with the final warning is made possible by Destroyer stomping some Assyrian King North face, the FIFTH trumpet and plague are parallel, OK?

Thus, this ominous sign is to be seen in the Assyrian land of King North parallel to that 5th plague recovery of Jehovah’s witnesses:

Revelation 16:10:

The fifth angel poured out his bowl on the throne of the beast, and its kingdom was plunged into darkness. People gnawed their tongues in agony

Michael The Christ aka Destroyer will destroy key anti-JW Illuminati, which allows the final recovery to come forth. (Hos1:4-7; Isa31:8-9; Mic5:6-7; Isa36-37)

The “Illuminati” means “light” as in Lucifer type, and their “kingdom was plunged into darkness. People gnawed their tongues in agony” is due to the destruction of certain, not all, key Illuminati project managers, this is why “the throne of the wildbeast” is the target of Michael’s FIFTH plague, these core so-called elites, are “lights put out” terminated.


This is why The DESTROYER’s history on “Assyria” is a dead set pattern to come on the Globalist Illuminati in the fifth plague. He will destroy the modern “Assyrian” who will also attempt to take “Jerusalem”, that is Global Jehovah’s witnesses individually, after they take the JW org which will be given to them as per Hosea 1:4-7.

Michael and some key “angels in the deep place” Zechariah 1:

I saw in the night, and, behold, a man riding upon a red horse, and he stood among the myrtle-trees that were in the deep place; and behind him there were horses, red, sorrel, and white. 9 Then said I, O my lord, what are these? And the angel that talked with me said unto me, I will show thee what these are. 10 And the man that stood among the myrtle-trees answered and said, These are they whom Jehovah hath sent to walk to and fro through the earth.

shall ensure the final warning is given because JWs at present are infiltrated by KN (Dan11:32a) and are not saying what needs to be said concerning UN 3 1990 and UN 4 WORLD GOVERNMENT to come, and who it shall trigger in swarms. We have at this time over 15 years, less than 20.

Daniel 8:13-14 is what is coming next, soon, as 1Peter 4:17, Malachi 3:1-5, Zechariah 3:1-5 and Revelation 8:1-8.

How complete will be the rule of Earth in just terms of 144000 Just Enforcers?

Earth’s total area/144,000=1368 square miles of earthly area.
Earth’s land area/144,000=397 square miles of terrestrial earthly area.
Earth’s urban area/144,000=7 square miles

*Assuming at current a .08 to 2.0% urbanization.


Not to mention God, Christ and probably more than a 1000 Billion angels, probably much more.

Goodbye cruel world, it is what will be leaving.

Think a budding serial killer will ever get even one victim? Think again. Their head will be on a pike by noon.
1.JW prophetic apostasy and UN alliance to temple judgment, accounting purification in a “sword stroke” which heals into world government 8th King.

Years elapse as Daniel 8:13-14.

2. JW recovery for eventual final warning commission BEFORE world government King North, King 8, completes. “Litte scroll” short but complete (Rev10:5-11) Final warning is open salvation appeal (Rev14:6-8) and Messianic Kingdom COMPLETION Proclamation.

3. World Government completes, final warning ceased (Rev11:7-10; Rev13:5-7), BTG destroyed, Christ arrives to oversee BTG destruction rendering “1/10 the city” in the global sheep sweep.

4. Christ conquest, 1000 Year Reign day one.

JW Org is what to flee as UN NGO “disgusting thing” has been “catch sight of” in Matthew 24:15 as Daniel 11:31b, 1990, GB traitors go UN rather than state the above.
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ihv let me give you a hint before trying to make sense here you cannot light a joint by sticking your head in a microwave


But you can affect plant growth by wiring microwaves to the ceiling AND rotating plants 360 degrees around their z axis and their x.

I do not smoke, but I know some new school tricks to widen crystallization, a lite centrifuge can also be employed as well as dehumidifying at high temps with fiber optics super-light from the Arizona sun, preferably Bullhead City irrigation charged from the Colorado river catfish beds.

I am a “green thumb” and I know some chemistry and physics (for horticulture application), but I don’t grow this medicine. But I know many tricks for optimizing plant potential from my days with Biosphere II up at Catalina in the days of Texan Eddie Bass. We did the Biosphere II “grading plan” from aerials and they grew the thickest heaviest plant IN THE WORLD at that time, so thick High Times did an article of Biosphere, but they could NOT include the medicinal units in their article.

The trick at that time was hyper CO2 aeration on lunar cycles with Packrat and bat dung semi-synthesized into a super Nitrogen mix by very light ionic misting. These were per-AutoCAD 9 days, OK? DOS was the new Queen by the Mac. We NEVER used “blood meal”, it is wholly unnecessary.

The real trick is to NOT let the plant get used to any training schedule for long, but used to it enough to boost results. Get it? Keep the plant off balance, wind machines at different angles every week. Some cycles are Lunar based, others by the numbers. Concentrated starlight was the last experiment when I went to my next Job, that was my internship in the Ed Bass Phase One.

Mr. Edward Perry “Bigmouth” Bass:


Search: Carl Hodges ERL Tucson IAP

Cacti are more my specialty or “Magenta-Rose-Purple Palo Verdes” up at Picacho.

* Ed was a billionaire a few years before Gates (1997) they say. He is a type of Howard Hughes minus the celeb. He is “out there”, OK? LOL, that is a compliment.

Suit Up, you’re going in but you can head to Hilltop/Overlook for a drink once a month. Imagine going into a Catalina bar with Biosphere II suit [in the day], ordering a tequila shot, drinking it, and leaving? LOL

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How can Jesus be a angel when clearly the bible speaks against this heresy…….heb 1:5,13 and heb 2:5.][/QUOTE]

Hebrews 1 is not rhetoric, questions with no answer. To WHICH of the angels ould have special meaning to the Jews, for to WHICH of the angels as Moses speaking with? Which angel led them out? WHICH angel is spoken of in Daniel 12:1?


The question has an answer. But he is Archangel, not an angel but the first and master pattern of ALL the angels. He has angel and Seraph and Cherub and who knows what else IN him, Archangel is the super-angel.

But still the Jews would wonder why would God set this archangel up to such a position? And the rest of Hebrews explains why, and how the Archangel IS “the ONLY begotten Son” in that number 1 angel.
[QUOTE who=”It stinks in Houston”]In discussing the question of the literal nature or not, of the 144,000, it reminded me of the alterations to the teachings about them and the end times that have occurred throughout the history of this organization dating back to C.T. Russell and particularly in the last 40 years.

This isnt to belabour the changes specifically, but it reminded me that for all the hundreds of posts trying to support current WT dogma, if the WT changes doctrine on this subject this afternoon, every jw would do an about face to agree with them and deny that this teaching (currently under discussion)really was what the Org was teaching or what it meant. If acknowledged at all, in 30 years, it would likely be JWs denying the teaching officially and blaming it all on their own flawed human misunderstanding. [/QUOTE]

The GB are self-authorized, illegal and unapproved, so yes, they are NOT done “changing” things and already have made the most signficant “changes” since 2012, and JWs or anyone else seems to notice the implications.

1. At the end of 2011 their “we are the FDS” debacle in self-approved “lifting themselves over everyone” barely got noticed by JWs. (2Thess2:3-4; Zech3:3)

2. From the same time period they began to “prophesy” in a “self-fulfilling prophecy” that NOW, OUT OF THE BLUE, JWs “at that time” (WT11/15/13, pg. 20, par. 17) can expect to be “attacked by the Assyrian” first, next, “soon, very soon brothers each of us will be facing a similar situation; “Your Deliverance is Getting Near” WT article).

NOT BTG which was the old teaching, but JWs go down first from Bethel’s own mouth.

And JWs notice nothing unusual because the GB does NOT present this as “new light” which it is a new teaching out of the blue since 2011.

While they do not alter the BTG “goes down next” myth, they have recently told JWs to expect to be attacked, which is new, and again, JWs “take no note”.

Expect more undermining of classic JWs beliefs as JWs are silent on all current progress in globalization prophecy which results in 8th King world government AFTER this next world war.

Instead, JWs will think it is all over and “the end” and will submit to the internally aided destruction of their “organization”.

THAT is what this setup is all bout. (Dan11:32a; 2Thess2:1-2)


The “Blood of the Lamb” At Passover was NOT a “Sin Offering” but a Deliverance Guarantee

That a “great crowd” is also delivered by these underpriests with Christ in contexts of Rev7 and Rev 14 is also significant. (Rev17:14; Rev14:14-16)

That it is “passover” lamb blood, which the lamb in that passover was NOT a sin offering is also significant, the “great crowd” like the Israelites are also delivered out of “Egypt” in a spiritual sense, and may very well be coming into an earthly aspect of a covenant provision of the “new covenant”, after Har-Magedon, as the passover lamb in both contexts is for DELIVERANCE, not for atonement.

But it just so happens that Jesus Christ sacrifice is an atonement to make true forgiveness possible, it is just also significant that the passover lamb is not an atonement sacrifice, it is a “to Jehovah” gift offering also of faith, and by that offering the Israelites were delivered in their day into contract with God.

The great crowd are also delivered by a greater Lamb, through a greater “passover” through Great Tribulation and Armageddon’s war of God.

Obviously then this “lamb that takes the sin of the world away”, and this “lamb slaughtered from the founding of the world” is very significant, it is more than forgiveness, he is also a perfect human being offering to God, not just blood, the whole lamb. “TAKING the sin AWAY” is more than just atonemt coverage.

Jesus Christ is forgiveness of sins by blood, and a delivery also for 1000 years to perfection, the body of that lamb (Heb10:10) ia also more comprehensive, the whole man, is perfection.

That is how from the founding in sin, Adam, “the sin of the world” can be taken away by Last Adam as the perfect physical and spiritual basis of ALL MANKIND who eventually MUST BE “born again” from him, heavenly first, the earthlings in the 1000 Year Reign.

The lamb is not a sin offering, he cannot take the sin away by forgiveness in that context, the atonement of the blood can, the lamb takes the sin away for real, he is human perfection, to replace human Adamic fleshly corruptions and death and sin. Also the perfect “BREAD [body” of heaven”. HUMAN PERFECTION.

Now without understanding that, then the others are of course going to juggle and shuffle this whole story with guesses and error and miss the whole point of the “lamb of God”, who in that atonement aspect is not a sin offering in the Passover, but a deliverance guarantee.

The bull and ram are the sin offering pictured at Atonement Day, yet Christ is the whole sacrifice for forgiveness, deliverance from condemnation and ACTUAL human perfection in the 1000 year reign.

We do not know the exact details of how the 144000 will be used in that priestly service by the High Priest “Melchizedek” Christ.

We know enough though, he must be called Eternal Father and Last Adam. The 144000 are a “bride adorned for her husband”. So Christ the Eternal Father and his 144000 Bridal class “New Eternal Mom”, will be fruitful as Psalm 45 foreshadows. They will not be giving “birth” to heavenly beings, they will be perfecting humans in the re-creation of Matt 19:28. (Isaiah 54)

We have the simple logic of the deeper truth, that is actually very simple for this purpose, so that people know the truth of what the 1000 year reign is all about:


by Christ High Priest, and 144000 King priests. The 144000 are the ONLY ones “bought” in Revelation. Very significant:

They are a special purchase, “BOUGHT” used only 3 times in Revelation:

(Rev 5:9-10) with your blood you BOUGHT persons for God out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, 10 and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kings over the earth.

(Rev 14:3-4) the hundred and forty-four thousand, who have been BOUGHT from the earth…These were BOUGHT from among mankind as firstfruits to God and to the Lamb.

And since they are “OUT OF” the 12 Tribes of “Israel” the 144000 are only a part of the whole “12 Tribes” symbol. (Rev7:1-8)

After JWs go down and catch on God is pissed there will be only so much to do and only so much time to do it.

1. The GB has to be scrapped and exposed as the “root of all evil” in JWs, prophecy shown. The UN NGO must become the central sin the GB have performed as Daniel 8:13’s “transgression causing desolation” to the JW Org, soon. At this time, JWs ride the wildbeast with their dirty illegal GB.

2. The issue of universal-global-sovereignty reaching the global head will have to be explained as prophecy and principle as ONCE AGAIN the divine entity (this time the Messianic Kingdom) shall be completing parallel with 8th KIng world government, and this time there will be a direct react from Christ. King North must be exposed as GLOBALISM based “new world order” world government.

3. But, as that is happening the Revelation 14:6-8 openness of the salvation offer to all mankind must be the frontal positive message. We must leave many JW self-righteous “laws” behind, take off the GB-control-conscience training wheels and fly solo in faith. And let everyone else free to also do so.

In to that basic triad of modern prophecy reality, everything else in details will come out with the final warning (Rev10:5-7), for a final warning 1260 days, to begin AFTER JWs run the Daniel 8:14 timing course of required “temple judgment” preparation in accounting, cleansing and recovery.

Of course, these are all things JWs refuse to do at this time, just play acting mum’s the word, with their “man of lawlessness” engineers of misery and stumbling at the helm in that corrupt-from-day-one GB thing. (Dan11:32-35)

But it is all prophecy with time stamps so it will explain itself AFTER JWs pay the GB and UN worship price. In the meantime, a world war will be playing out as “expected doomsday” further delaying JWs (2Thess2:1-2), as in reality the war passes for the final UN world government complete global presentation. (Rev13:3; Rev17:8-12)

The final warning must emerge with the recovery into full world government as it is completing. Then we will all know WHY they have JWs all silent [at this time] on this easy prophecy finale. We have fakes, frauds, liars and lawless glory hounding INFILTRAITORS in the current GB act. (Rev2:2; Dan11:32; Dan8:11-12; 2Thess2:3-4)

You cannot get more criminal lawless and spiritually dead than this GB even if you tried, they are from the Devil’s King North crew of global intel based subversions from within.

The TRUTH will come out in time, as Destroyer purges these frauds from the temple at the 1150 day “break point” of Daniel 8:13-14 “evening” turning to the “morning” of enlightening 100% TRUTH of this matter. The GB is done and will be exposed for the rat crew they are in reality. THEE “root” of all JW evils now tearing the ministry apart in reproach and real secular criminal operations.
[QUOTE who=”It stinks in Houston “]Oh, and not taking the bible as 100% inerrant doesn’t remove all belief in God it just means I’m question ing the bible as a whole inerrant message from god. [/QUOTE]

Actually, it is the human layer of “interpretation” and religious commodities like “go to heaven here” that reduce the Bible’s credibility, and why all that error has been engineered by the rebels against the universal star order. (Satan “and the demons”)

If you fairly just read the Bible it is merely the truth. Humans have a big problem with “the truth” and fight world wars to prove who has it.

Either way, this planet has been given the offer via that written “writ” and the time released warning a new angel is coming to town once they get their little POS World Government done, soon. We got 15 years, yet less than 20.

The Bible is the written notice, soon shall enter the immortal septillion sun spokeperson whom the Bible is all about.

Revelation 19:10c

“”For the witness concerning Jesus is what inspires prophecy.””

The “powers that [think they] be” have a few things they gotta get done and ready before the Lord of the Universe drops in on them for some mono-a-mono flame throwing and earth splitting to settle the sovereignty issue for good.

Be patient, they are almost ready.

Joel 3:11

“”Hasten and come, all you surrounding nations, And gather yourselves there. Bring down, O LORD, Your mighty ones.””
[QUOTE who=”It stinks in Houston “]<quoted text>

It’s not the first deadline to judgement day I’ve ever seen and sure won’t be the last.[/QUOTE]

Yes, it will be the last one, this time the Wolf shows up, but not to eat those who sounded his warning.

But, the positive message is Revelation 14:6-8 shows the Wolf will spare those willing to live under his rulership, ANYONE can make THAT DECISION anytime, not just in the 1290 days open salvation permission period active as he arrives into world government. (Dan12:11)

Now some people do not believe there will ever be a world government. So, when you see with your own eyes and hear with your own ears that there will be and is a world government, then KNOW the Wolf shows up shortly there after.

You may be changing your mind in this final round. This time the fully accurate forecast PRECEDES the Wolf. (Rev11:1-7)
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Wouldn’t out side Israel be another place…….Jews were the first fruits…..then those outside Jews were grafted in……that’s 2 folds [/QUOTE]

But even that is the first symbolic picture wherein Jews were the heavenly nation and thus “spiritual Israelite” still applies to that heavenly nation of the “Israel of God” for the fleshly nation was rejected. But the “gentiles” still would picture the “other sheep” as earthly in destiny, in that symbolic duality it is the same principle, “Israel” is heavenly, “Gentiles” are preserved into the “Kingdom of the World” as per Daniel 4.

Fleshly Israel is of no account today, so compromised and infiltrated for 20 centuries we don’t even know if they are even Hebrew over there anymore. Apparently, the real Israelites as before have been scattered among the nations, but their covenant was taken by Christ, not their fleshly nation. Now Christ is the way into the upgraded covenant, not “Israel”.

[QUOTE who=”Udere”]I heard that many kingdom Hall are going to be asked to up and vacate and start attending elsewhere…..if this is true how do you feel about moving to another Hall so the branch can “save” money on Hall upkeep……and with pretty much no need for new kingdom Hall (seeing that the ones you already have can’t be filled enough to continue to operate) and the printing already being backed off of a bit…..where do you think this money being saved is going?[/QUOTE]

It is going to King North, they fund the anti-JW Web effort with JW money. But, that is a small portion, WTBTS will give them 30 BILLION in JW assets as per Ezekiel 7:22.

And “because of transgression” on the part of JWs against Jehovah, he will help them crash the Org well before “the end”. (Dan8:11-14)

You will see some of this on CNN in time. The liquidations are to funnel out a few billion more BEFORE game day in hard assets gone liquid into Chase, Goldman and the hedges. Bye bye $$$

As 1Peter 4:15 warned, JWs have been found criminal and in transgression as this Daniel 8:13-14 temple judgment prepares to erupt on the JW Org and JWs.


Far in the backburner of the Bethel kitchen, well in the freezer, again since 1999 PTDP book we have an attempt at interpretation of Daniel 8:11-14 which cannot fly. It means Daniel 8:13-14 is coming on JW Org next, it is time stamped as the temple judgment prophecy parallel of Revelation 8:1-8 meaning, for a final round of Revelation 8-11 in the future. And most people, eventually, will understand why it is God who is “trampling” this apostate JW ministry. (Dan11:32a)

In time, that will lead to the ideas in Daniel 11:27-45 very nicely swept into the garbage can by the USSR=King North OBVIOUS error for what is now even plainly seen by the basic “Christednom’ lone wolfs out there as OBVIOUS “King North” GLOBALISM based world government upon terminal globalization completion as the main global driving force by which nations are literally “gathered” in Revelation 16:13-16.

But now Jesus must first, as usual, overturn the 30 BILLION dollar WTBTS “cave of robbers” for the WT presumptuousness does NOT change the fact God Always judges His own house first Peter 4:17. (Zech3:1-5) The final prophecy cycle STARTS on fallen JW Org (Rev8:10-11) and the GB Experiment from 1970 is the fail which shall also fall and be exposed with the final warning from the global JW Org flaming rubble. Only true judgment can fix this mess.
Yet the GB are also milking JWs a BILLION a year too boot.

Some previous sales of Jehovah’s Witnesses properties in Brooklyn include:

– Hawkins Way Capital has closed on the purchase of 117-125 Columbia Heights in Brooklyn Heights for $18 million and expected to close a deal for 97 Columbia Heights by the end of August, real estate reporter Lore Croghan reported in the Brooklyn Eagle on Aug. 17.

– A development site in DUMBO at 74 Adams St. was purchased by Jeffrey Gershon of Hope Street Capital in May. The site has been one-story (plus-mezzanine) vehicle-maintenance facility.

– Also in May, the Watchtower closed on the $87.5 million sale of 107 Columbia Heights, a gated L-shaped residential building in the Brooklyn Heights Historic District. The building, which has frontage on Orange and Willow streets, is located near an entrance to Brooklyn Heights’ Promenade. The purchaser was an affiliate of publicly traded Clipper Realty Inc., which is headed by David Bistricer.

– Bistricer also co-owns is Brooklyn Heights’ Hotel Bossert, which was also purchased from the Jehovah’s Witnesses. The Watchtower had used the Bossert to provide lodging for its members who were visiting the religious organization’s world headquarters.

– The purchaser of another DUMBO development site, 69 Adams St., was the Rabsky Group, which paid $65 million for it in November 2016. The site was occupied by a four-story building with a tennis court on top.

– Another huge parking lot at 85 Jay St. in DUMBO was sold to the Kushner Cos. (headed by Donald Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner) and its investment partners for $345 million in December 2016. The investment group said it is planning a mixed-use project at the site.

– The Kushner Cos. also purchased the Jehovah’s Witnesses Watchtower building at 25, 30, 50 and 58 Columbia Heights and 55 Furman St. for $340 million in 2016. Joint-venture partners include CIM Group and LIVWRK. The complex previously belonged to pharmaceutical giant E.R. Squibb & Sons.

– The Kushner Cos, along with partners RFR Realty and LIVWRK purchased the complex at 175 Pearl St., 77 Sands St., 117 Adams St., 81 Prospect St. and 55 Prospect St. for $375 million in October 2013. The group developed the site into the Dumbo Heights complex.


They are stripping the loot prior to the corporate takeover events of Daniel 8:13-14 in the Daniel 11:41-43 global context.At the end of Revelation 2 we find modern-day meaning in JezeBethel misleading the slaves of God and Christ into idolatries and “fornication”. Now, no doubt, the GB are physically promoting fornication such as pedophilia, but JWs are also now hopped into bed with the United Nations in 1991 period [rather than] expose the 1990 THIRD UN presentation which is at Daniel 11:31b.

Along with that “THEY will place the disgusting thing” of Daniel 11:31b, we know globalism King North is the leader (Dan11:32a) who misleads the nations, including Jehovah’s nation, to take part in that THIRD United Nations presentation, “THEY ALL place the disgusting thing”. Done deal in even Jehovah’s nation.

Later, in 2001, as 911 distracted minds, two months later, the KN Press released news of the WTBTS tryst with the wildbeast as UN NGO. That was in 2001.

Now to get back to Revelation 2:21, we see there is a symbol of the principle of “Jezebel”, an illegal “queen” of Israel, just like “mutha” Beth Hell, JW Bethel, DOOMED ILLEGAL RULERS of Jehovah’s nation. And Jehovah has given JWs TIME to repent from the time of 2001 when that UN NGO went GLOBALLY public, even if severly covered over by the GB, it IS GLOBALLY KNOWN JWs are WORSHIPING the UN wildbeast by adjoining an allaince of endorsement, and COVERING UP “throwing the truth to the earth” (Dan8:12b) of the FACT that THIRD UN event of 1990 was just as prophetically fulfilled as was the League of Nations prophecy of 1919 or the United Nations prophecy of 1945. It should be fully exposed UN1-2-3. But it is severed in apostate JW silence.

At the critical 1990 moment of the 3rd UN presentation (9-11-90) as the unique “Cold World War” ended (Dan11:29), JWs JOINED the UN NGO club, SILENCED Fred Franz and Daniel 11 required updates for King North as globalism based world government development to completion, overly advanced JWs to “expect Daniel 11:44 next” which Russia=New King North can now “fulfill” (in the future as a final decoy), while concealing the Daniel 11:31b UN 3rd “place the disgusting thing” of 1990, while WTBTS themselves “place the [UN NGO] disgusting thing in the holy place” to make Matthew 24:15 VISIBLE “catch sight of the disgusting thing”, to those who “read with discernment” connected to that very Daniel 11:30-35 prophecy “as spoken by Daniel the prophet” of apostasy, infiltration by KN and the 1990 THIRD UN event.

The now SEVENTEEN YEARS approximate of a golden opportunity to fire the GB, confess and REPENT from the now 27 year old UN and UN NGO “transgression causing desolation” (to JW Org soon) (Dan8:13) HAS PASSED PASSED PASSED! Now, it is time for the global JW “sickbed” of judgment accounting and the required temple judgment of Daniel 8:13-14 (Dan11:41 context) in the worst form it could take due to this GB/JW incalcitrance.

Revelation 2:21-22

“”And I gave [JezeBeth Hell] time that she should repent; and she willeth not to repent of her fornication. 22 Behold, I cast her into a sickbed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of her works. 23 And I will kill her children with death…””

HERE is the reason this is coming as Daniel 8:13-14 SOON:

and ALL the churches shall know that I am he that searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto each one of you according to your works.


It was the temple inspection, JWs failed by GB apostasy fail, now it is temple judgment time. (Zech3:3) JWs are befouled reproaching Jehovah, Christ and the whole “body of the Christ” “Joshua”.

“”Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, and was standing before the angel.”” (Zech3:3)

And that “angel” is “Angel of the Covenant” and the indictment is sealed and now comes the sentence of Daniel 8:13, Revelation 8:1-8. (Mal3:1-5; 1Pet4:17)

Those “opportune time” years to repent while ignoring this globally known UN NGO “transgression causing desolation” is what has passed. And as you see neither the GB or JWs are planning to repent nor do they see anything wrong with worshiping the wildbeast via the UN NGO altar of sacrifice.

SEE how far gone JWs are now, they think NOTHING of a UN alliance. THINK about it brothers and sisters.



Be part of the REQUIRED recovery of the anointed Christian ministry in approval by repentance AFTER hell on earth has flooded over (Isa28; Hos1:4-7)) JW Org. (Zech3:4-8, Rev10:5-7,Rev10:11)

In time, Daniel 8:14 time, it leads to this recovery (Eze37):

Revelation 10:11

YOU [[MUST]] prophesy AGAIN with regard to many nations…


United Nations 4, future, is King North 8th King WORLD GOVERNMNET, and that is the final sovereign entity “gone global” for the first time ever, that triggers the Christ arrival and a final 1260 days warning WILL precede this culmination to the final sovereign boiling point: WORLD GOVERNMENT “DISGUSTING THING” 666 SCARLET WILDBEAST “ONE HOUR”. (Rev17:12)
The coming “sword stroke” is NOT “the end”, it “heals” into said WORLD GOVERNMENT over the next decade plus. (Rev13:3; Isa41)
That would be the case if not for world war, then world government world peace not “the end” as many shall expect. And as stated at Revelation 10:11 there is to be a “second witness” to reaffirm the sovereign warning of God’s Kingdom then in Messianic Kingdom Completion Mode. That will be the 4th United Nations presentation into full world government after this next [massive] global “sword stroke” “heals” into said 8th King King North world government as per Revealtion 13:3.

As per Daniel 11:32a, the GB is from the other source, King North, as one can plainly tell for they love to use “too much organization” to distract everyone. But, true to form the Destroyer will purge them from the place 3.19 years or 1150 days in Daniel 8:13-14 events and timing which is of course, the temple judgment of Jehovah’s witnesses; timed, because obviously even Jehovah’s witnesses no longer believe due to GB “man of lawlessness” activity in final form, and this is all prophecy as well–when in doubt, check the prophecy this one leads to the final sovereign entity, world government after the world war “sword stroke”, which triggers the King, Christ, for the Messianic King-Priest Coronation, the Revelation 14:6-8 GLOBAL “sheep sweep” aided by the destruction of global religion, then the conquest.

So, we can bet our lives God shall inform the world prior to the arrival, 1260 days before and into that world government completion. ANYONE CAN BE SAVED, is the Revelation 14:6-8 message, but it takes a little action, one has to avoid the 666 World Government allegiance mode, which is possible and we are talking like over 10 years to get to complete world government 666 mode. (Rev13:15-17; Rev4:9-11)

A bunch of globalist-corporate zombies, like the GB, will NOT be fudging up that final warning, they will scoop out white ash and smoking goop that [used to be] this viper nest Governing Body and toss them in the dumpster, 3.19 years into the JW Org global desolation (Dan8:14) which comes with the next mega-crisis the world will soon be entering. Many will think, like today’s JWs, it is “the end”, but as per Revelation 13:3 and Isaiah 41:1 it is NOT “the end”, it all “heals” into 8th King World Government “world peace” “and security” as their final mantra which we already know from 1Thess5:1-3.

JWs go into “abyss”, TOTAL DESOLATION DARKNESS, for 3.19 years, the JW Org may be fully destroyed we do not know (Nah2:1), but it WILL be bad. (Dan8:13-14; Dan11:41-43 global context; Rev9 symbol), This time Rev8-9 comes on JWs.

One thing about Christ is although he is patient he fights back, this is the same Destroyer Assyria tasted one night, he does it to let them KNOW he is in town, not for the end, but for the final notice. (Rev10:5-7; Rev11:3)

It is the SECOND of them “TWO witnesses”, the final appeal. The GB suffers Isaiah 66:6, the KN “slipped ins” Isaiah 31:8-9, Hosea 1:4-7. The FURNACE of Jerusalem, the LIGHT of Zion, the Angel of the Covenant. It is Daniel 8:13-14 TEMPLE JUDGMENT TIME and the JW Org will be accounted fully. That will alleviate the cry for justice for it will come BIG TIME, it will NOT be pretty, in the meantime Matthew 24:15 applies to JW Org and their UN NGO “disgusting thing standing in a holy place”, which means FLEE NOW, hell on Earth is coming on JW Org and God is behind it to clean his name with the rubble and 50 billion dollar pillage.

We do not have long to enter the global crisis, it will be huge enough for some to think it really is the end, but it is just the “tribulation of those days” which as explicitly shown in Matthew 24:29-31, Christ arrives AFTER it expires for it expires into the hugest global healing in all history to promote 8th King World Government just as per Revelation 11:7, Revelation 13:3, Revelation 17:8-18. THEN global religion will be desolated to toss in 500 TRILLION into the global recovery. (Rev11:13; Rev14:8)
Then, you know, Christ arrives. (Matt24:21-22; Rev11:1-12, Rev14:1, Christ Sheep Sweep Mode first: Matt24:31) By then over that last say 15 years all this will get far clearer as already fully outlined in Daniel 2,7,8,11-12, Rev13,17; Rev8-11
Before it comes the final warning will arise from the JW Org pyre. (Eze37; Rev9-11) The events on JW Org as Daniel 8:13-14 and Revelation 8:1-8, Zechariah 3:1-5 (in 1Peter 4:17 principle) will become chapter one inception proof, verifiable events and timing. Some of the JW Org downfall will be on CNN.
There is ALWAYS more to an apostasy of the genius and scope of the one now active in Jehovah’s witnesses (Dan11:30-35; Dan8:11-12), it starts the final Revelation 8-11 fulfillment cycle and it leads to the final notice of the incoming Kingdom of Christ. Earth shaking events like this and its Daniel 11:41-43 King South fall context will wake up many people. (Hag2:7; Matt25:1-13) The judgment of Jehovah’s witnesses is the epicenter of this inception phase to lead to the final warning, in time.
Where do you poor guys get your WTBTS data?

1. The WTBTS has over a hundred satellite corps, the whole is worth 50-70 BILLION, 10 BILLION easy liquid loot, 20 BILLION hard assets and another 30 BILLION in the hedges. JWs donate, at times, a BILLION a year since 1990. Do the math, do the research, for example since 2010 they just liquidated a BILLION in NY properties alone. You are correct on the free slave labor at all levels of the real-estate valuation process thereby turning 1 JW dollar into 20. But they have Chase execs and Goldman types running the 30 BILLION in Wallstreet and the hedges. (Now get this, ALL THAT with an overhead of maybe 300 million a year, around 70 in the early 90s)

It will NOT be “going broke” that implodes the WTBTS, but a controlled global pillage from above. (Dan8:11)

Now, that being the case they are liquidating before the JW Org corporate takeover which from the time it starts to its end will be deconstructed within 4 years, amidst a global crisis such as a world war as the “end of the world” HOAX context. (Btw, the JW GB hyped “it can end anyday now brothers” is the cover story for when they “end” the Organization, as a distraction of “Biblical Proportions” on JWs and many others who as per Revelation 13:3 will truly think, in error, “the end” has indeed come–just look at the JW Org going down by the hand of “Gog” brothers! RUN TO THE BUNKERS so they can send JWs into internment camps. The GB is the “Pied Piper” folks. Hence, Matthew 24:15 command to flee that UN allied farce)

So, they are milking everything they can to flee with 50 BILLION [up front—G-O-N-E] and leave the 15 BILLION nailed down for the prosecuting national level legal eagles to divvy up later, in the process. (Daniel 8:13-14)

JW Org may actually be worth over 100 BILLION, the figures I used are conservative. This is a planned corporate coup, WTBTS will go down very fast and some of it will make CNN. (Soon, btw) They are FAR FAR FAR from “broke”, they are milking the JW cows down to the blood before they go.

On October 04, 17, andrewa771 wrote:
> Hello, I just saw ur reply to my post in the recent thread. I want to let you
> know that i’ve examined the info presented on templelijah, jwupdate, kingnorth,
> and the prior posts on topix. Altogether, it has served to really strengthen my
> faith and has impelled me to encourage as many as I can, both JW and non JW.
> It’s interesting to see how the WT/Bethel is figuring into this world events.
> Exciting times to be in.

Glad to hear you seeing it all coming together. And of course Jehovah is never ‘fooled”, it is ALL in the prophecy in little words.

I took a break here and someone snagged my unregistered TempleMicrowave between the one you read and the fraud posts that followed. I was usually TempleJudgmentDan8:13-14 or something like that, but I needed to give it a break here and on the blog since it was 5 years at that time full time.

But it cannot be stopped, we are at the threshold of the “sword stroke” which runs its course and “heals” in full 8th King world government and the period coming will have many thinking it is “the end”, but as per 2Thess2:1-2 that is premature and the GB are using it to hoodwink JWs. They have to go and then be exposed fully with the final warning which comes along in the Daniel 8:13-14 timing.

Thanks, yes this is the ultimate time of all times, the events that lead to the Christ arrival with enough time to eventually inform people what the WHOLE thing means, as per Rev10:5-7.

Be patient, they are going to spring the trap on those in the Org, then on others hyped up by “the end” HOAX scare period, as per the warning at 2Thess2:1-2.

JW Current Apostate Status and Final Temple Judgment – Web Witnessing Record; The Bethel Apostasy is Prophecy

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