January 2017

[QUOTE who=”Larsguy1992″]<quoted text>

Tell me. Do you expect Christ to return in the flesh? Is Christ here in human form on the earth for 1000 years? Or up in heaven? Are you paying attention to what the Bible really teaches? Will Abraham, Isaac and Jacob be part of the heavenly class? [/QUOTE]

I believe what Jehovah’s witnesses have been teaching since the time Custer was meeting the SIoux on the Greasy Grass River.

BUT there is apostasy, and Daniel 4,8 and 11 need updates, along with dumping of the GB and some lawless policies they have installed as Daniel 11:32a.

EVERYTHING ELSE is on point. There is now the temple judgment JW org downfall of Daniel 8:13-14 and the second of the “TWO witnesses” final warning.

THAT is my mission, I already have a job so I cannot help you with your ideas nor be subject to them unless you were more powerful and important than Michael which you are not.

So, as JWs would answer in basic form is what are my answers to those questions. But since Christ is also the “new creation” certain aspects are not as rigid as JW have been misled to imagine, so your first sign along with JWs is the Destroyer based removal of the GB with a vengeance amidst a JW org takeover attempt they are the front men of. (Isa66:6; Isa31:8-9)

3.19 years into the Daniel 11:41 “invasion” the GB entity will be terminated. You can mark the timing from the most notable anti-JW-org event which will eventually end up on CNN. It will be big news because it will get the global-spotlight where it needs to be for when God recovers a cleansed JW flock for final warning purposes.

Needless to say with these prospects to begin to unfold soon, your message is not very important nor real to me.


[QUOTE who=”pcloadletter”]”We know that desolation awaits false religion. Babylon the Great is “drunk with the blood of the holy ones” and has acted as a queen, but her destruction is certain. The unclean influence she has wielded over the kings of the earth will dramatically change as that relationship turns into one of violent hatred on the part of the ‘ten horns and the wild beast.Â’ (Revelation 17:6, 16; 18:7, 8) When the “scarlet-colored wild beast” attacks the religious harlot, “the disgusting thing” will be standing in a menacing way in ChristendomÂ’s so-called holy place. So desolation will begin on faithless Christendom, which portrays itself as holy.”

Rev.17 …and the woman was clad in purple and scarlet and jeweled with gold and precious stones and pearls, with a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and the filth of her prostitution, 5 and written on her forehead a name with a secret meaning, “Great Babylon, mother of the prostitutes and abominations of the earth.” 6 And I saw the woman drunk with the blood of God’s people and with the blood of Jesus’s witnesses. [/QUOTE]

But we have to think about this.

WHY would they fight a world war with Russia and still have time to take BTG down too?

Plus, we are talking global religious extermination. On whose authority? The “UN”?


World Government when the UN gets it true “horns” is when BTG is OUTLAWED AND CONDEMNED as a world government sanction of globally seen international LAW.

NO WAY can the UN as it is today able to come into Russia, China, Brazil, Canada, Korea, India and on and on and on and ORDER THEM to destroy ALL RELIGIONS in their domain! NO WAY!!! AND WHY would China or Russia be in a world war and also have the time to take out Eastern Orthodox church and Buddhism?

So at this time JWs are subject to a TRUTHFUL prophecy, but being promoted in a GB fantasy as they COVER UP the requirement of 8th King world government completion certainty.

So we have to wait until AFTER the world war, in world government, to see BTG go down.


[QUOTE who=”pcloadletter”]<quoted text>You’re the one that says there’s going to be world war with Russia, aren’t you?


Yes, but the purpose is to sell the King North to JWs as if Russia for further delays. KN is world government which Russia is not the basis of, but they too will join it with ALL the nations as per Rev17:8-18.

You may have to wait for this GB “prophecy” to fail first. KN has been world government development since WW1, but it is just not complete as a world government yet.

The GB is infiltrators placed by the real KN as Daniel 11:32a, to cover this up from JW awareness, so they can sell the world war “sword stroke” of Rev13:3 AS IF it is the end, but it heals into world government in reality.

This way the GB can herd JWs to bunkers and crunch the org under that “the end” cover story, and just let JWs figure it all out later, by then they are gone.

It is meant to delay JWs and cover up the final warning as long as they can. By the time Daniel 8:13-14 transpires, the GB and these infiltrators with them will be purged by The Destroyer from JW environment to allow the final warning to EVENTUALLY come forth as Rev11:3.

You and other JWs will probably have to see the GB prediction fail before you see this is the reality.


[QUOTE who=”rsss1″]<quoted text>
Hey will how are ya ……here is a interesting one for your quiver……most witness believe that they will have eternal life here on earth right……..john 6:53,54:Jesus said to them truly truly I tell you,unless you eat the flesh and drink the blood of the son of man,you have no life in you.who ever ate my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life and I will rise him up in the last day……….
The earthly class that has eternal life doesn’t pertake of the bread(body) and the blood(wine) which Jesus said you must -retake to have eternal life……kinda strange huh


No. The earth sheep can BECOME the body and blood of the perfect MAN Jesus Christ, they can “partake” of the REALITY after Armageddon.

The sacrifice is what provides atonement, not emblems of the new covenant. Jesus was speaking to the heavenly group of sheep there. In symbol they have to eat the bread and drink the wine as public affirmation and testimony of their vow and agreement with God, through Christ.

But the blood fo atonement is what saves. It merely ratified the “new covenant”, the “new covenant” is related to the salvation but in itself it si not it, the perfect human sacrifice is.

So, Earth sheep can become the body of Jesus Christ as a perfect human being, under the 1000 year reign of Christ as its REALITY, the REAL thing.


[QUOTE who=”little lamb”]<quoted text>

Its hard to make head or tails BJD of what you wrote …but I will comment on the above article


Isn’t it Jesus who has the sayings of everlasting LIFE ?

Isn’t it Jesus who saves us from the wrath to come ?

i suppose the organization suffers from this paranoia , because they don’t believe

” the angel of Jehovah is encamped around the righteous one and rescues him ‘

I suspect they don’t even know that God declares righteous the one having faith in Christ Jesus

Because certainly belonging to an organization makes no one righteous .[/QUOTE]

THAT is what they would be telling JWs if they were really anointed guides and “co workers”.

But this is worse than I even relate.

Because the actual final outline to world government can be determined by prophetic cross references with the seven trumpets late 6th trumpet details, we KNOW the end is not as close as they are telling JWs.

We KNOW from globalism exposure of the Hegelian Dialectic in which a “problem” is created by the same engineers as is the “solution”, that a final Revelation 13:3 “sword stroke” is likely a final epic world war with Russia in hotter than cold war fashion.

NOW they can sell JWs the global catastrophic economic crash and that world war is not “the end brothers, simply give up, it si all over, no need to look any further, head for the bunkers of FEMA now”.

There is NO DOUBT this economic crash is the second dip of the “dead cat bounce” where in the second dip is AT LEAST 100 times worse than 2008. The “great depression” times 10 is what it means. And that with a world war.

Thus we will have a clear “tribulation of those days” context, a sword stroke to eventually heal into world government, and JWs being taken out so no one gets any warning of prophetic reality at all.

But, as per Daniel 11:32B, they will fail, and God will intervene in stealth manner, recover JWs as the final phase of the “tribulation of those days” winds on to the healing, and God will cause and require the final warning and it will employ JWs, because God ALWAYS finishes the thing he began with in a ministerial period not yet complete until the second 1260 days of the “two witnesses” final warning, the SECOND JW warning (initially as Bible Students), is COMPLETE.

Now we know the Dan11:32 real KN GB is there to try to shut up this final warning by destroying and imprisoning as many JWs as they can, as they attempt to also destroy the JW organization too, AT THE SAME TIME.

But we know from WT 7/15/15 they want to use a post org “siege” “respite” period to issue the crazy “bunker” directives to JWs.

So we can only hope Jehovah causes some problems before or during that respite.

Your Deliverance is Getting Near!—The Question is: Deliverance to What?



[QUOTE who=”rsss1″]<quoted text>
no way….he was talkin to believers not just 1 class /there is only 1 hope not 2……


The Bible STARTS OFF with the Earthly hope of Genesis 1-2, which was not a “hope” it is the way it was to be forever and ever, human beings all over paradise earth.

Genesis 1 is the earthly hope, God will NOT simply abandon the eternal purpose. The “heavenly hope” is provided to aid Jesus Christ in his “Last ADAM” mission wherein ADAM is HUMAN purpose.

The heavenly Bride is required to birth all those humans (Isa54), they also have to be “born again” but into Eternal Father Jesus Christ.

It is very simple.

The NEW HOPE is the heavenly one. It was NOT always this way, it aids the first REALITY of earthly everlasting life in paradise for humans and everything of “Eden”. (Eze47:9; Isa34:14-17)


[QUOTE who=”BetheljudgmentDan8-14soon”]<quoted text>

That may come on you if you persist to not repent of JW evils. Jehovah and Michael are WITH me, so the words spoken shall all come true, your words shall fail. (Eze33:33)

BUT you were given a FULL WARNING unlike most JWs you have also failed to warn. Their blood will eb asked back from YOUR HAND, not mine, I WARNED you.

Get ready to eat many words. I tell the NSA and CIA The Destroyer will exterminate them to their face once they get their little world government joke complete.

That is all we await after the world war.


In all fairness to the enemy system, they can have INDIVIDUALS who may be saved by taking the Revelation 14:6-8 offer. Jonah preached to their Ninevah fathers and they repented. But CIA and NSA must take the judgment for many crimes and Michael ain’t afraid to go to their houses, enter and find them to read the writ of fire personally.

BUT, before that dire consequence for many CIA and NSA innocent lives destroyed, individuals can avail themselves of the final warning offer and live.

I was a bit too hasty. INDIVIDUALS can repent even from the enemy system, but those intel entities are assigned to Destroyer’s Bonfire, but the GB Pyre will be the kindling first warning.

The open salvation offer of Revelation 14:6-8 must take precedent over destructions because Christ does the global sheep sweep during Daniel 12:11’s 1290 days, so in a final “parousia” mode that whole period is open to reconsider and repent.

At the end of the 1290 Christ goes into White Horse Ass Kicking Mode of Revelation 19:11-21 as this universes King of kings and Lord of lords and there is NO OTHER, in Jehovah’s name. By that time, the Rev14:6-7 choice will have been made by peoples.

OPEN SALVATION is the completion of the GOOD NEWS of Rev10:5-8.


Well, that is why it is best to read with no doubts, that faith thing. One doubt leads to another and so on. Before you know it you were walking on water, then next thing you know Jesus is pulling you from the wild wind tossed surf as you are sinking.

Doubt is the worst enemy of new Christians.

I say go for it.

Of course knowing 8th King world government is the global developmental signal that triggers Christ “sheep sweep mode” arrival can be helpful when reading Revelation and just arranging the dots around the Christ arrival Revelation parallels at Revelation 11:11-12 (6th trumpet climax), Revelation 16:17-20 (7th plague climax), Revelation 14:1-8 (slight post-Christ arrival), Revelation 17:14 (post world government placeholder, not the conquest event yet) Revelation 19:11-21 (Conquest mode; 7th Trumpet parallel)

This way when >666< world government comes they don’t have to buy the “it is God’s world government” con, just because they are saying post Revelation 13:3 world war “sword-stroke” “world peace everyone!” of 1 Thessalonians 5:1-3.

That takes around 15 more years, plenty of time to catch up on the Revelation for modern times. (Revelation 1:1)


[QUOTE=”Radrook, post: 70475676, member: 385077″]Why not truncate that intervention at the root by limiting angelic ability to materialize and to have viable offspring from women?[/QUOTE]

I have to reverse one node first, please.

What makes you think it was only “pre-diluvian” times? (And you are correct, that GMO project is illegal)

Now, this place is for angels too, why bar them from the planetary garden just because humans are around? (angels were coming and going here well before human beings, and I mean the materialization aspect, not the procreation)

Just curious, WHAT do you think angels really are?

I guess I had to split the questioning at the materialization and procreation statement as one is OK, the procreation allowed Genesis 3:15’s “seed of Satan” promise/statement/prophecy to be “seeded” and “take root” in humanity as God said it could and would.

Now, what kind of adventure and fun would this be if God did not let Satan challenge Him and all reality? Misery, death, and these kinds of things are TEMPORARY and all things are restored even animals, so now that we know this, can it not be more fun knowing this is GUARANTEED?

Yet it still be a Christian challenge. You know.


[QUOTE=”vinsight4u, post: 70649822, member: 10688″]Wars and rumours of wars is not part
of the great tribulation nor the final week
of the 70 weeks prophecy.

Ask yourself this. What set of angels sealed
the 144,000?[/QUOTE]

This is a very astute point that MILLIONS of Christians miss in the Matthew 24:6 and Luke 21:9 clues of what is NOT the end provided by Jesus. (The coming world war does NOT produce the Christ arrival as it is in action, it helps avoid 2 Thessalonians 2:1-2 delusions and “doomsday” hype)

And we know the Matthew 24:29-31 sequence is AFTER the “tribulation of those days” which has to expire on its own even BEFORE Christ arrives as stated explicit in the text; Secondarily there is NO “the end” in the sequence, we KNOW Christ secures sheep first as per Matthew 24:31.

Thus, we can conclude the “tribulation of those days” is the initial “sword stroke” phase of the Great Tribulation of the Revelation 13:3 “Hegelian dialectic” where the coming world war is resolved for the real “world peace” signal of the real end of 1 Thessalonians 5:1-3. The world war “sword stroke” is as engineered as is the “tribulation of those days” it aids, to “miraculously” resolve to present 666 8th King world government at global signal scale.

Thus, what core global SIGNAL entity utters the “world peace” mantra? The one that arises from the “tribulation of those days” and sword sword-stroke “abyss” context of Revelation 11:7 parallel Revelation 17:8-13 for that “one hour” of 8th King world government short rule.

Thus, the “four winds” which occurs AFTER the 144000 are sealed, thus AFTER they are ready for the Christ gathering of Matthew24:31 to produce Revelation 14:1-8, thus AFTER the “tribulation of those days” must be the truly most dangerous period of the whole Great Tribulation. It MUST take place in the Revelation 13:15-18, Daniel 8:25, Daniel 11:44-45, detailed context of world government sanctioned GLOBAL actions where they are in a depopulation agenda “bring many to destruction” DURING the same “world peace” and “freedom from care” global recovery of also Isaiah 41:1.

Thus, Matthew 24:21-22 is the “great tribulation” in its “four winds” globally deadly yet “world peace” mode which is CUT SHORT by an already present Jesus Christ who oversaw that as the final half of the week of Daniel 9:27 of which the Daniel 12:11’s 1290 days is the final half. The the whole final “week” is the 1260 days of final warning in the “tribulation of those days” of Revelation 11:3, Revelation 13:5-7, Revelation 13:5-7, Revelation 12:14, Daniel 7:25-26 and Daniel 12:7 PARALLEL to lead to the Christ arrival in the Daniel 12:11 week concluding 1290 days.

(The final warning being ceased is how the constant is removed to tie Daniel 9:27, Daniel 12:11 and Revelation 11:7-10 all parallel as the warning preceded full world government which also outlaws it to culminate the Revelation 13:5-7 1260 days “middle of the week” parallel)

The final half of the week of Daniel 12:11 and Daniel 9:27 is thus OPEN FOR SALVATION TO ANYONE who makes a positive choice for this global offer carried out by Christ’s angels as Revelation 14:6-8. Babylon the Great going down as Revelation 17:15-18 and Revelation 16:17-20 and Revelation 19:1-3 as announced as final in Revelation 14:8 just aids or helps manifest the final world government “world peace” with greater believability as religions are deposed by international law enforcement.

(BTG going down also frees up some final sheep who did not heed Revelation 18:4 or were unable as prisoners of BTG religions)

Thus all your questions are answered in one fell swoop of Christ coming in after this world war is resolved to produce the 8th King world government abomination of Daniel 12:11 and Revelation 13:11-18, Revelation 17:12-13.

[QUOTE=”vinsight4u, post: 70649824, member: 10688″]What did Jesus Christ tell happens after the great tribulation?
Look at the events of the 6th seal.
There is when the stars fall.[/QUOTE]

Thus the end of the “old world order” US/EU nation-state system dominance for 8th King “new world order” world government will “put their lights out” as Matthew 24:29 as far as the old world order signal of the new. Christ will put world government lights out as per Revelation 6:12-17.

The seven seals events are nested prophecies which is a secret Christ had revealed to him long ago, which TAKE PLACE with the seven trumpets and seven plagues actuality. Trying to forecast the seals in the seven seals-to-seven trumpet sequence as if a 14 point itinerary forms an error. It all occurs as the seven trumpets are the backbone through the whole final global cycle.

That forecast has no prophecy-cross-checkable glitches no matter how you may try to find one, it takes about 15 more years to fully prove itself as the prophecy of God as per Revelation 1:1.

Distinguishing the “tribulation of those days” as required BEFORE the “four winds” and what are its sword stroke and abyss parallels of the “tribulation of those days” is why this one works.

Also, distinguishing the destructions under world government of Daniel 8:25 parallel Daniel 11:44-45 also keeps this forecast in harmony with the Revelation outline. This way no one has to confuse the coming world war with Daniel 8:25 and Daniel 11:44-45 which occur under world government. The world war is in the Daniel 11:41-43 nation-state deposition phase with the “tribulation of those days” phase.

Final Note:

Neither Jehovah’s witnesses or corporate Christendom clerics will reveal this, because they are harlot definition now. But JWs could be recovered in the Daniel 8:13-14 sequence of the Revelation 8:3-5 parallel of the modern temple judgment.

LOOK for it, it starts on JWs and their UN NGO “transgression” of Daniel 8:13. JW org downfall is the first trumpet signal event.


[QUOTE who=”The Real Karen”]<quoted text>

If you are a Son of God, then you can answer this question.

If a person lives their life by the bible, does everything they are suppose to do right, but they are not a JW, will they be saved?

Yes. BUT gotta keep that 666 world government allegiance OFF THEM too. (Rev14:9-11, Rev13:15-18)

But God has to assess basic human motive, because some cannot here about Christ for a while:

(Romans 2:14-16) . . .For whenever people of the nations that do not have law do by nature the things of the law, these people, although not having law, are a law to themselves. 15 They are the very ones who demonstrate the matter of the law to be written in their hearts, while their conscience is bearing witness with them and, between their own thoughts, they are being accused or even excused. 16 This will be IN THE DAY when God through Christ Jesus judges the secret things of mankind, according to the good news I declare.

Now that DAY is in the Revelation 14:6-7 OPEN SALVATION OFFER TO??? ALL PEOPLE:

(Revelation 14:6-8) . . .And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, and he had everlasting good news to declare as glad tidings to those who dwell on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people, 7 saying in a loud voice: “FEAR God and give him glory, because the hour of the judgment by him has arrived, and so worship the One who made the heaven and the earth and sea and fountains of waters.” 8 And another, a second angel, followed, saying: “She has fallen! Babylon the Great has fallen, she who made all the nations drink of the wine of the anger of her fornication!”

THAT is carried out by Christ’s ANGELS, not humans, so this can now complete to ALL PEOPLE OF PLANET EARTH:

(Matthew 10:23) . . .When they persecute YOU in one city, flee to another; for truly I say to YOU, YOU will by no means complete the circuit of the cities of Israel UNTIL the Son of man arrives.

Christ will have arrived to define Revelation 14:1-7.

So, realistically we can look at Job, a “free agent” as far as the human “religious” affiliation distraction, he pictures the FACT Satan is testing ALL PEOPLE, and thus God must also WATCH ALL PEOPLE, BUT God’s outcome is the exact opposite of Satan’s, God is out to SAVE PEOPLE, and eh will give them every possible chance to be spared at the Christ arrival.

Thus, not being lawless and hurtful will get a person saved as an obeyer of a law, even if they do nto know the law, yet, they will.

As further proof we have Matthew 25:31-46. Now what makes that so special, ever read Matthew 25 sheep and goat judgment prophecy? Sure you have.

But the sheep there HAVE NOT EVEN HEARD OF IT:

(Matthew 25:37-38) . . .Then the righteous ones will answer him with the words, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty, and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and receive you hospitably, or naked, and clothe you?

They are so NEWBIE they are still asking those NOOB questions. They are COOL people who endeavored to HELP others, and some of them others were Christ’s brothers and sisters, and even if they weren’t but just regular human beings, they will STILL BE SAVED!

The JW version is a bit to doomsdazed at this time. The final warnign will broaden the salvation message of Revelation 14:6-7 to the global width it is.


DocBob wrote:
<quoted text>

If the “other sheep” partake of the reality in the future, why should they not partake of the symbol presently?

Paul says at 1 Cor 11:26 – “For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until He comes.”

Why should not ALL who have put their trust in Jesus’ sacrifice “proclaim the Lord’s death until He comes.”?

There is no Biblical model where anyone attends the Lord’s evening meal but does not partake.

That is a good point. I am no authority, but that sounds reasonable and still “perceiving the body”, because honestly I think some human beings, even with a call, really LOVE being on Earth. Some people never want to die or leave, and the CHOICE should be freely available as long as the door is open, as in the door of opportunity.

I don’t think everyone wants to “go to heaven”, and I think there is a reason why as in Genesis 1-2.

So, I am personally open to think about this and consider it a good point. I just don’t know, but I feel a global wave of final clarification is coming as Rev10:5-11, because really, only the bathwater needs to be changed, it is not a 100% heap of total error. It is a PROCESS of working along with human error.

And it would become clear the earthling eye-witnesses of the whole thing, also enter a “covenant of peace” with the marriage event as “first born” of this coming world under Christ acting as their direct “Eternal father” as he was perfect human, and that perfect life is available it had no actual right to be ended, so it is available to human beings.

And all patterns, such as “re born” end up applying no matter what the “abode” may be. Even perfected humans are in generic meaning a “NEW creation” in the Matthew 19:28 process.

Whatever happens, the thing is from God and it will harmonize perfectly in time, as the human error is smoothed out in his patient process to form the truthful foundations of the new kingdom progress over planet Earth upon things kindergartners will be able to understand in divine teaching symbols and divine expertise in how the human and human mind works.

All these controversies is only trying to obscure a huge truth that is forming regardless what those on the way out in Satan and the demons may try to do AT THIS TIME, even now their works a being broken up.

Part of the reason I don’t know, is because there are some details in the memorial accounts that may hold clues, and this makes me want to really look at it, not to try to violate the one aspect I accept, but to see how the pattern ends up replicating perfectly into the human world which must end up being an “in God’s image” exact reflection of its underlying divine master-reality.

I believe it all “ties together” in an astoundingly complete harmonious defensible manner only God can design in such comprehensiveness as the reality is then even greater. But it does have a guide pattern being revealed in all these Jesus Christ and “Kingdom of God” details.

There is something there and the salvation will not be petty, it will be Revelation 14:6-8 and it will lead to the complete removal of all the source of the resistance to God’s truth as in especially the Liar Satan and all his cohorts.

BUT what needs to come out will not peter out because Bethel went UN apostates in “lifted themselves” obvious MOL note along with all the religious confusion already muddying the waters.

There will be a big, convincing, harmonious and crystal clear divinely backed wrap up (Rev10:5-8), Rev8-11 will repeat in final form.

This quagmire state of scattered sheep is all leading SOMEWHERE useful!





[QUOTE who=”Jimmy”]<quoted text>

I agree. Even if he thought that it was “administrative personnel” you can’t see anyone on here, you don’t know who anyone truly is. The fact that df’ed or da’ed people are on here means any JW who is on here might be df’ed before too much longer if their elders find out.[/QUOTE]

There are 2 BILLION people on the Web, it is a New Territory. Now, if one is strong in faith and prophecy knowledge there is NOTHING to fear wacking opposition. And JWs should NOT be taught to run from opposers with their tail between their legs.

BUT when the JW leadership is concealing REAL SINS AND CRIMINAL ACTIVITY as their motive to also conceal from active in good-standing-with-men JWs (as per Dan8:12b), THEN it is suspect why they put a JW taboo on the web.

THEY, the apostate GB, want to help coneal the needle of their apostate prophecy (Dan8:11-14; Dan11:30-35,41) from Jehovah’s witnesses who could toss them, and get abck in GOOD STANDING WITH GOD.

So as per Daniel 8:13-14, God will have to do just that, for JWs, because they will not fire the source of the ministerial corruption which is the Korah GB. Even UN NGO Wildbeast known global “co publicists”. (Dan11:32a; “transgression” Dan8:13)

Preach all you want ANYWHERE YOU WANT.


Timed Temple Judgment of Jehovah’s Witnesses – Daniel 8:13-14

Daniel 8:13-14 Details the Coming Temple Judgment of Jehovah’s Witnesses

The Total World Judgment “The Judgment” Begins With Jehovah’s Witnesses


[QUOTE who=”little lamb”]Jesus came to mediate a new covenant

To write Gods Laws in our minds and on our hearts

And to be our God and we his people .

a person who has Gods Law written in their hearts and minds does not need an organization to tell you what to think or do

Because the adminstering of the spirit that is involved in Gods new covenant , is the new creation of a new man in Christ

that is why scripture states ” a man who can control himself , is better then a man who controls a city ‘

And why ‘self- control’ is one of the fruitages of the spirit

A new man who has Self- control does not need a central control organization .

Because Gods WORD tells us ‘ all who are led by Gods spirit are Gods sons .’

And that is why it states in scripture , that Jesus must rule as King until he has brought all authority to nothing .

and then even he submits himself back to the Father .[/QUOTE]

Did you used to be a Jehovah’s witness in the way I mean as part of the JW religion at one time?

Just curious so I know your earlier background.

I used to be “in the organization” and I was also a reader of some Russell stuff and to me “The Divine Plan of the Ages” was very enlightening, so I feel religious organizations have played a part in Bible education.

So, I feel there is things they can all agree on, but people like divisions better as Christ prophesied he came to cause more division in an overall sense. And there is actually a benefit to the confusion if you can believe that. It placates the enemy to think they don’t have much to worry about with the Christian house.

If it was too harmonious and exposing the world government fianl signal dot the whole time, the enemy would be far harder on Christians.

And that si why God saves the knock out punch for the final 1260 days. That is all the enemy system can bear before they react violently (Rev11:1-7; Rev13:5-7), but the 1260 days is GUARANTEED to furnish the “little scroll” writ of Christ’s Kingdom conquest *Rev10:5-11) with the Revelation 14:6-8 opportunity to know the surrender option is salvation IF it is sincere.

When one goes to battle with a Christian, they should be aware there are multi-eon aged ancient angels with weapons beyond the speed of light and any energy in this universe in absolute exact controlled ability to apply it as Christ’s Warriors for the “Lord of Hosts”, and Joel 3:11 “come down” here they will.

King North needs to get the fullest pre-conquest warning possible as well before their “end” in Daniel 11:45 to end Daniel 12:11 as it all converges as one.


[QUOTE who=”DocBob”]BethelJudgement and rsss1 most recent posts reminds me that the location of our ultimate abode is far less important than with whom we will abide.

2 Cor 5:6 So we are always of good courage. We know that while we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord, 7 for we walk by faith, not by sight. 8 Yes, we are of good courage, and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord.

As long as when I’m absent from the body I’m present with the Lord, my location is irrelevant. [/QUOTE]

Which reminds me of this statement:

(Hebrews 10:10) By the said “will” we have been sanctified through the offering of the BODY of Jesus Christ once for all time.

Though many focus on the importance of the blood, the “body” is also a sanctifying part of the whole sacrifice.

And because Jesus Christ existed as a perfect “Last Adam” human being and now the immortal “Mighty God”, and he is to be “plugged into” the planetary life system of Earth, this form of LIFE will have beneficial effects for all the Genesis 12 “families of the ground”:

(Hebrews 7:15-17) And it is still more abundantly clear that with a similarity to Melchizedek there arises another priest, 16 who has become such, not according to the law of a commandment depending upon the flesh, but according to the power of an indestructible life, 17 for in witness it is said: “You are a priest forever according to the manner of Melchizedek.”

As the one with the ABILITY to “cause death”:

(Hebrews 2:14-16) Therefore, since the “young children” are sharers of blood and flesh, he also similarly partook of the same things, that through his death he might bring to nothing the one having the means to cause death, that is, the Devil; 15 and [that] he might emancipate all those who for fear of death were subject to slavery all through their lives. 16 For he is really not assisting angels at all, but he is assisting Abraham’s seed.

So the Matthew 19:28 is a RE CREATION, a RE GENESI w hich will be so comprehensive and complete as to restore the ENTIRE heavenly and planetary life blessing:

(Genesis 1:26-28) And God went on to say: “Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness, and let them have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and the domestic animals and all the earth and every moving animal that is moving upon the earth.” 27 And God proceeded to create the man in his image, in God’s image he created him; male and female he created them. 28 Further, God blessed them and God said to them: “Be fruitful and become many and fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving upon the earth.”

What I am trying to point out is the perfect human role of Jesus Christ as a “last Adam” will have divinely perfect application for all life that now suffers death, as the LIFE is the power Christ will fuse into the entire system of now the hi-jacked Earth death state:

(Romans 8:18-22) Consequently I reckon that the sufferings of the present season do not amount to anything in comparison with the glory that is going to be revealed in us. 19 For the eager expectation of the creation is waiting for the revealing of the sons of God. 20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not by its own will but through him that subjected it, on the basis of hope 21 that the creation itself also will be set free from enslavement to corruption and have the glorious freedom of the children of God. 22 For we know that all creation keeps on groaning together and being in pain together until now.

Thus there is no reason to limit God to various constraints imposed by now dying humans because it must go beyond these imposed limitations now present:

(Ezekiel 47:9) And it must occur that every living soul that swarms, in every place to which the double-size torrent comes, will get life. And it must occur that there will be very many fish, because there is where this water will certainly come, and the [seawater] will be healed, and EVERYTHING will be alive where the torrent comes.

Thus Earth is included in God’s will of Psalm 133 life blessing:

(Revelation 21:1-4) And I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea is no more. 2 I saw also the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his peoples. And God himself will be with them. 4 And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.”

it cannot be limited by the current point of human progress in understanding, it will all come out in time.

(John 6:39) This is the will of him that sent me, that I should lose nothing out of all that he has given me but that I should resurrect it at the last day.

It will be bigger than we can even imagine:

(1 Corinthians 2:9-10) But just as it is written: “Eye has not seen and ear has not heard, neither have there been conceived in the heart of man the things that God has prepared for those who love him.” 10 For it is to us God has revealed them through his spirit, for the spirit searches into all things, even the deep things of God.


[QUOTE who=”Jimmy”]Some apostates are increasingly using various forms of mass communication, including the Internet, to spread false information about JehovahÂ’s Witnesses. As a result, when sincere individuals do research on our beliefs, they may stumble across apostate propaganda. Even some Witnesses have unwittingly exposed themselves to this harmful material. In addition, apostates occasionally take part in television or radio programs. What is the wise course to follow in view of this?
The apostle John directed Christians not to accept apostates into their homes. He wrote: “If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, never receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him. For he that says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works.” (2 John 10, 11) Avoiding all contact with these opponents will protect us from their corrupt thinking. Exposing ourselves to apostate teachings through the various means of modern communication is just as harmful as receiving the apostate himself into our homes. Never should we allow curiosity to lure us into such a calamitous course! Wt00 5/1
Does it matter if the teachings of apostates come from their own mouth or someone else’s? The goal is not to listen to the teachings.

To be “apostate” in its fullest meaning you have to be anointed for real, and have left the holy covenant as would be a case here, but not just limited to these markers at UN NGO Bethel:

(Daniel 11:30) . . .And [King North globalists] will actually go back and hurl denunciations against the holy covenant and act effectively; and he will have to go back and will give consideration to those LEAVING the holy covenant.

since they are LEAVING the holy covenant it cannot be Christendom expelled officially as a context of “holy covenant” in 1919, that is the UN 3 event of Daniel 11:31b in 1990 after the unique Cold WW3 of Daniel 11:29 benchmark note in the prophecy.

And that defection in the WTBTS locale, results in the apostasy of Jehovah’s witnesses as UN NGOers here, among many new JW sins since 1990:

(Daniel 11:32) . . .“And those who are acting wickedly against [the] covenant, he will lead into apostasy by means of smooth words. . . .

So, the “apostates” the GB has JWs looking for OUTSIDE “the temple” are actually the Daniel 11:32a apostasy “IN the temple of the God” which is Jehovah and his true Temple arrangement which the GB defected from as self lifted up in 1976, and made official as UN NGO in 1991.

THOSE are the apostates important enough for God to mark with a UN 3rd event which was as foretold as was 1919 UN1, and 1945 UN2, which is now COVERED UP by the UN-GB as per:

(Daniel 8:12) . . .it kept throwing truth to the earth, and it acted and had success.

So the GB is our modern Wildbeast allied “man of lawlessness” and “evil slave” “class”, as marked by their UN NGO and many reproaching sins like shunning and pedophile protection as public evil policies of the unbiblical “Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses”.

So, the Temple Judgment of Jehovah’s witnesses must occur 1Pet4:17 first as Daniel 8:13-14 and Revelation 8:1-8.

That STARTS the final prophecy cycle to world government, UN 4th event of the future. It is NOT “the end” which is the main MOL delusion of 2Thess2:1-2 now infecting the misled JW mind, they are apostate associates now. (Hence Matthew24:15 COMMAND of Christ to flee Daniel 11:31b UN NGO marked JW org, NOW!)

The real covered up “King North” Anglo-American based Globalists now have full control of JWs as per Zechariah 11 as well.


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So is the UN The golden calf of thr Gb?

It means they are all peas in the same pod. The GB is a manmade idol too, of course.

BUT, you will be able to SEE what God does to that GB soon, to know this is not beign made up by me, it is a BIG prophecy cycle coming up STARTING, not ending, with Daniel 8:13-14, Zech3:4-9, Rev8:1-8.

JWs are of proper sins, scale and notoriety to form a HUGE GLOBAL SIGNAL upon for the sake of waking EVERYONE up. (Matt25:5-13)

Just you wait and see what God does to the JW organization responsible for all this malfeasance in his name. Just you wait and see.

JWs think God is going to buy that UN “library card” excuse of the rival kingdom advertising in JW literature????

JWs have another thing coming.

JWs will be a HUGE, initial, global signal of the “Temple Judgment”, the GB is the cave of robbers. It is also to mark Malachi 3:1-5, Isa28.

(Isaiah 28:18-19) And your covenant with Death will certainly be dissolved, and that vision of yours with Sheol will not stand. The overflowing flash flood, when it passes through—you must also become for it a trampling place. 19 As often as it passes through, it will take you men away, because morning by morning it will pass through, during the day and during the night; and it must become nothing but a reason for quaking TO MAKE OTHERS UNDERSTAND what has been heard.” (Dan11:41; Dan8:13-14)

OF COURSE miseld JWs do not like this message.

I’m doing fine, how you doing?


The Devil OWNS NOTHING, not even his own soul. So do NOT even think he is in a position to buy anything. First off don’t buy that bullsh%%t line th world sells people to think their soul is even their’s to sell. It is NOT.

Jesus Christ has bought all life of Earth from God including the human beings. What people can GIVE to Satan is their salvation by pursuing massively sinful lives which can only result in destruction or even eternal destruction if Satan can get them to sin against the spirit, which is very difficult to do.

In ignorance a person, even a Devil worshiper, cannot sin against the spirit they do not understand. Mst of them are wannabees and that is who Satan is out looking for, empty people to fill with his lies of grandeur.

So take the OPPORTUNITY to battle intrusive thoughts with the powerful thoughts of the sword of God and smack the Devil in the face with the truth Jesu Christ is coming to abyss him, then later obliterate him from existence to a point of non-existence as if he never ever existed as all, a retroactive violent abortion of the Devil’s lame fetus.

He is weak, envious, the first sinner addicted to all the forms of even human sin and on his way down. Give him no credit, he ain’t got a dime, all he has is PHYSICAL junk, stuff that ends up falling apart in time, to try to tempt empty people with no hope. SO fill yourself with the PROMISES of God through Jesus Christ and look forward to those things because they are who own everything, and all they “bought” from YOU and ME and EVERYONE was our DEAD ADAM being, purchased with the goal of EVERLASTING life because if Christ “Last Adam” expended as much energy as he did to make the purchase, you can BET YOUR LIFE he WILL be picking up what he has purchased. (Revelation 14:6-8)

And if you STICK TO HIM, he will pick you up for the goal of more life and the final transformation. Those who reject him lose their salvation, true, but in the resurrection of the unrighteous they are given better circumstances to rethink their decisions, because Christ did not die to lose a thing, but to offer the full opportunity to anyone not incorrigibly wicked in purpose.

But much of this wickedness is cultivated by a sinful world which is also passing away for a new planetary life system (Matthew 19:28) optimized for righteousness by removal of misery (Revelation 21:3-4) and the power of the “iron rod” to ensure criminal activity is dealt with immediately and directly in destruction by one powerful King and his Kingdom forces who have even more powerful desire to recover this planet than any Adamic human that has ever lived.

They are older if angelic and helped bring all this into being, and for those coming into the Christ form, enough will have been enough and they will exterminate demons by immortal power in Christ and God, and that is who will be “the cops” in this next world and NO ONE will cause anyone any more pain and misery as a constant in life maturing to more evils as it does in this world today, which just breeds more wickedness as media glorifies evil in very insidious ways.

Do NOT get fooled by this world, when it is time ALL of this garbage it is selling is to be deposed and pass way. Structure your life around this REALITY, because we are entering the final cycle and you will know when it is at the true end.

How will you KNOW that? Very simple, any world war resolves in time, it is NOT “doomsday”.

World government complete, functional (Daniel 11:45, Revelation 17:8-18) and “world peace” stated (1 Thessalonians 5:1-3; Daniel 12:11), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

The Kingdom of Christ is NOT a “UN affiliate” of the so called “new world order”.

First off, Christ is installing a “New Universal Order”, he removes Satan and his lame world government too. (Revelation 19:19-21, Revelation 20:1-3) All Satan is doing next is consolidating more power for him as “world government” and he will sell it by post world war (Revelation 13:3) “world peace” claims as per 1 Thessalonians 2:1-2.




[QUOTE who=”I_know_better_now “]<quoted text>

Even if the JW org limps along because of any subversives that does not invalidate the whole organization.. Jehovah never will desert his people and the subversives will be expelled in due time. Jehovah will save the great crowd.. The question remains are you of the Great crowd.. Whose mark do you have? You see all your rhetoric will not change the true reality.. The JW org is in a special relationship with God and no human can change this fact. [/QUOTE]

“Even if the JW org limps along because of any subversives that does not invalidate the whole organization.. Jehovah never will desert his people and the subversives will be expelled in due time. ”

I never disagreed with that. But I explain in prophecy HOW that happens. You resist the details of the required Daniel 8:13-14 TIMED recovery process of the purification of Jehovah’s witnesses.

The Zechariah 3:3 “befouled garments” now present among JWs MUST be REMOVED, not “laundered” but NEW “clean robes of state” are to be applied in that Daniel 8:14 “RIGHT CONDITION”. (Zech3:4-5)

I really do not know why you take issue with this detailed process of cleansing and recovery unless you are attached to certain sins you need to be cleansed of too.

I just provide much more detail from prophecy as to the context of this required “temple judgment of Jehovah’s witnesses” because that is what Daniel 8:13-14 and Rev8:1-8 and Zech 3 is.

But JWs have gotten sluggish on prophecy, obviously. Of course Jehovah will not abandon JWs or the to be final warnign minstry.

How you construe my warning to such an extent I do nto know, but the spirit drivign that is not holy I can tell you that. You should be over-joyed to know this is in prophecy, but no, you have to be a scorpion like Ezekiel had to deal with, for nothing is good enough for the high and mighty JW.

It doesn’t matter the judgment will determine if we are wheat or weed. THAT is why we need a judgment now, JWs have become weedy. “all the green vegetation” of Rev8:8 is “burned up”, it is the weeds.

(Revelation 8:7) . . .And the first one blew his trumpet. And there occurred a hail and fire mingled with blood, and it was hurled to the earth; and a third of the earth was burned up, and a third of the trees was burned up, and ALL the green vegetation was burned up.

JWs require a final judgment soon. It is not “the end”, it STARTS the final cycle to world government which triggers Christ arrival.


What it boils down to is this:

World Government is Required to Complete

1. With 3 world wars including the cold war that all resolved into a UN presentation and prophecy allows us to know this next world war will resolve as per Rev13:3 into world government, 8th King, King North as all sovereign prophecy culminates into one world government and its final “world peace” and security proclamation under world government of 1Thess5:1-3 signal note.

So we may ask, WHY are Jehovah’s witnesses not explaining this completely at thsi time?

2. Because as per Daniel 11:32a the UN NGO GB joined the UN System in Daniel 11:30-31 and they are actively concealing world government required completion because they are King North controlled. (Dan8:12b, “conceal truth”)

3. That GB Bethel “the end” the now have JWs subverted to accept as “next” is not yet as per 2Thess2:1-2 and Matthew 24:6;

Why is the world government competition to be seen by all so important besides not being subject to a fake “doomsday” “sword stroke” impression fo Rev13:3 and Rev17:8-12 at this time?

Because, as per prophecy, World Government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and “world peace” stated (1Thess5:1-3; Dan12:11), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

World government is the main signal of Christa arrival.

JWs are subverted by the GB, in heavy communal scale global transgressions, and incomplete and not completing the good news requirement of either Matthew 24:14 or Revelation 10:5-8.

So the Daniel 8:131-4, Revelation 8:1-8, Zechariah 3:1-5, Malachi 3:15 final temple judgment is required now as per 1 Peter 4:17:

(1 Peter 4:17) For it is the appointed time for the judgment to start with the house of God…


[QUOTE who=”HopeReigns”]<quoted text>

You religion came out of the Protestants.[/QUOTE]

But we should add here it completed the Protestant intent rather than become a post-dark ages vehicle for more Catholic theories.

But now JWs have merely repeated the same apostasy pattern, but with a specialized bend to get them to join the “UN System” as an attaché to the UN Secretary General by way of the UN Secretariat Department of Public Propaganda, which WTBTS freely adjoined so the UN could borrow JWs to help spread the 3rd UN “New World Order” mantra far and wide now present over 70 times on the WT Library CD.

And that rather than tell the world the truth that 1990 post Cold War UN presentation is King North of Daniel 11:31b, which is globalist guided globalism based world government still in development towards UN 4 after this next world war as world government which triggers Christ arrival AFTER it is completed.

JWs are all mum now and UN NGO to boot by GB lead of Daniel 11:32a, plain as day 2Thess2:3-4 in their own “house” now.

We might as well be specific of how the post-Protestant attempt at purification has now progressed into our final pre-temple judgment apostasy in UN allied JWs.


Very interestingly the WHOLE thing is recorded in the WT writings and I mean the GB thing developed on one hand, and very carefully separated was the “Theocratic Organization” thing also developed from the exact same year of 1944.

Now the GB have the audacity to claim they are who brought the temple into the “right condition” of Daniel 8:14, where they imply heavily this was accomplished ONLY by having a “theocratic organization”.

In reality this is how the wrong condition has been ENFORCED, because as you said this spiritual mafia is nwo ruled by th GB “Godfathers” and the soldiers of silencing are the elders, because JWs are actually the ONLY threat, JWs are who could remove the GB is they wanted a reform.

So the Godfather GB goal was “theocratic organization” sold as if divine where they control the thing top down with Gehenna threat to enforce their new burnign stake policies.

It is called WICKED, and in time God shall judge it. (Pay attention to the REAL Daniel 8:13-14)

Now what is also interesting is the GB have dragged Daniel 8:13-14 into this mess with their lying claims (Rev2:2), so when God does judge this, and he will, the real Daniel 8:13-14 has to come out as part of the comprehensive process and as it does the problem will eb expose fully.

You can read the GB application of Daniel 8:13-14 since 1944 and some “WT charter adjustments” they use to “prove” that prophecy in the “Pay Attention to Daniel’s Prophecy” book of 1999. Of course, this has been very downplayed among JWs as most have no idea the Daniel 8:14 modern interpretation the GB blasphemes in regard to.

Jackie, this may sound “out there” but I can assure you what has been “swept under the rug” for many years now, will be brought out by God for public review because it is chapter 1 of the final warning process it leads to, in Dan8:14 real-time.

I am not just “making this up”, Daniel 8:13-14 must fulfill on JW proper worldwide and it will eb HUGE, it will not be able to be missed.


[QUOTE=”tooldtocare, post: 70372762, member: 265555″]The end of the Fossil Fuel era is upon us so what are we going to do next-?
Energy information Administration Official Energy Statistics from the US government

The above report indicates that the US will be using primarily oil as our main energy source through 2030.

The world’s total declared reserves are 1,317,400,000,000 barrels (January 2007).

World oil consumption 2005 is 80,290,000 barrels per day or 29,305,850,000 per year

Dividing annual consumption into total reserves gives us 44.9 years of oil supply at the current consumption rate.

That was eleven (11)years ago, we are not changing your habits and this spells doom for us all.

Do you have any suggestions–?

Libya will be an interesting place to watch.

Libya’s current production rate is 1.8 million barrels of oil a day
At that rate Libya will exhaust all its reserves within 63 years
Existing oil fields undergoing a 7–8% decline rate
BTW Coal mines are closing as you read this

They have highways and freeways and use cars and trucks just like the rest of us do. But up until now gas was pretty much free. If there is going to be a drive to manufacture electric and hybrid cars for local consumption now is the time for Libya to use its cash reserves and invest in local production of the next generation power systems. At least in the US we have the cash and will to build a new future for America and the people are willing to do their part too.

I created this cite just to open a discussion on our energy future. No malice or animosity intended or implied

Just joking :)-[/QUOTE]

Well I think any thinking person can see the trend has to be stabilized. These are some SPECULATIONS on what comes next, and I mean over a decade to even get step one in the bag.

I think first on the agenda is getting control of the nation-state pantheon and the Middle East.

That is no simple affair but easily possible with world war.

Then the consumption based system is slowed down and then purposely reversed because you cannot broadcast the current American and European delusion of material addiction globally.

A radical “depopulation” could also aid reversing the consumption trend and I mean over a 10 year window, not some overnight thing I would hope.

I any event it cannot just keep going up, there has to be a down and then a plateau into a reasonable projection.

But I think they are more radical in mind once they get the full global control of the weapons and precision energy system and by a radical depop implied in Matthew24:21-22 they will trigger the Christ arrival in a period he will have to show up, or it could get catastrophic if that nano-computer system falls into demonic minds power.

So I would say put you hope in Christ the world belongs to the NWO world government in time and they are not nice guys. It should get so crystal clear in time that world government is no joke even the biggest simpleton can be motivated to consider the Revelation 14:6-8 offer when it comes from Christ’s angels, men will be useless for that offer at that time.

We are entering final 20 year window, so I am no “doomsdayer” I just speculate this thing is serious but as usual they will sell it with the world peace cover as per 1 Thessalonians 5:1-3 with the Revelation 13:3 final world war resolution into a big global “healing” phase.

That is how “by peace” and “freedom from care” they can run the other agenda simultaneously as per Daniel 8:25.

The Bible Prophecy of God has all the required clues such as the Daniel 11:41-43 preparatory phase in explicit terms which comes with the world war phase.


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I do not necessarily agree with you here that Michael will directly install a human element to govern humankind, but what I do believe is that Jesus through a “chosen” priesthood (teachers) here on earth will teach humankind the way of the Kingdom of God of which eventually will result in a type of world governance (a world council) or something like that.

But the Urantia Book does speak of a replacement (for the Devil) of a hidden Planetary Prince of celestial origins who along with his staff will have oversight of planet earth.

But even with a “world council” the nations will have autonomy, but eventually these nations will become a one united brotherhood.

As for the United Nations, well I personally do not believe that they will play any part of the “world council” as under the Kingdom of God, the representatives of the nations who will make up the world council will be selected because they are individuals who are above reproach and have a good reputation in their own communities.

This is of course is from my own personal perspective and viewpoint of things.


I only refer to this:

(Psalm 45:16) . . .In place of your forefathers there will come to be your sons, Whom you will appoint as princes in all the earth.

To mean the hierarchy extends into Earth, it does not just interface a mass of people but an “administration” for the “Kingdom of the World” but human beings have only been given the Genesis 1:26-28 dominion over creation, not other humans, there will never be human “sovereigns” only Princes directed by Christ who are human beings as his children when he becomes their “ternal Father” “your sons” and the “see his offspiring” of Isaiah 53.

Basically the children of the implied Bride “Eternal Mother” of Isaiah 54.

I only believe the UN will make divine claims and people should reject that as just more lies. The history fo man on Earth has been guided by rulers who many are known liars like Satan.

The Kingdom of Christ is a distinctly completely new entity from God, ruled by Jesus Christ who has assembled for God, God chosen “sons and daughters” who take on the exact form of their lead “brother” Christ as he did their’s in Hebrews 2:14.

They rule as appointed by God for Christ the King of kings where they are the only other “kings”.

I do not expect Satan to go out without a final HUGE deception, the last one. The one that tries to sell his 8th Kingdom as if “God’s world government”.


[QUOTE who=”FutureMan”]<quoted text>

I do not necessarily agree with you here that Michael will directly install a human element to govern humankind, but what I do believe is that Jesus through a “chosen” priesthood (teachers) here on earth will teach humankind the way of the Kingdom of God of which eventually will result in a type of world governance (a world council) or something like that.

But the Urantia Book does speak of a replacement (for the Devil) of a hidden Planetary Prince of celestial origins who along with his staff will have oversight of planet earth.

But even with a “world council” the nations will have autonomy, but eventually these nations will become a one united brotherhood.

As for the United Nations, well I personally do not believe that they will play any part of the “world council” as under the Kingdom of God, the representatives of the nations who will make up the world council will be selected because they are individuals who are above reproach and have a good reputation in their own communities.

This is of course is from my own personal perspective and viewpoint of things.


I am just glad to see you are not buying the UN as if an affiliate of God and Christ. How they do it for God’s Kingdom I can only speculate but I know what the UN is in Revelation, it is just the global executive branch nucleus of the “8th King”.

Because of Romans 2 and Revelation 14:6-8 I CANNOT judge any other human, because some things are getting clear in a generic manner for reason and ANYONE can chose the Kingdom of God over the UN if they want.

I would hope all people chose the Kingdom of God, but realistically I know Satan is against that idea and will form a final ruse.

But we can already see the main focus of the con is the UN rival of God’s Kingdom. Thus it is no accident a known Kingdom of God warning all converged with that 1919 League of Nations because the rival was IDd properly since after that time.

The big problem with JWs is the 1990 3rd UN event was as much a prophecy as was 1919 LON and 1945 UN, but UN NGO GB are “throwing truth to the earth” regarding that UN that should have been a refresh for JWs and the world of UN progress to world government as its foretold 3rd step at Daniel 8:23 and Daniel 11:31b.

Due to Daniel 11:32a clear GB UN alliance and purpose, this is as much news to JWs as anyone else, they have been taught to ignore the 3rd UN presentation of 1990 and support it instead as UN NGO co-publicists.

I do nto think this is all just coincidence and mere oversight of the GB loafer crew. By now, they MUST be “in on it”. They are actors is all they are to mislead JWs into the heavy “transgression causing desolation” of Daniel 8:13 note, obviously related to that UN NGO partnership with the wild beast.

[QUOTE=”Jesus_is_Saint, post: 70438714, member: 390594″]Will AI, or machines, replace humans in the future?
What’s the Bible predict?[/QUOTE]

No. That is a distraction. But an “intelligence” is being modeled into the world digital system network. But it is not human.

When computing goes to trillions of times faster than today on nano-scale processing upon exponentially advanced supporting technology you can get that “Sky Net” kind of reality because it will be wired into the global weapons energy system.

And at that scale of processing it becomes reasonable a “Devil” could possess the system which may be why things get so dire in Matthew 24:21-22.

The ideas of AI humans is just bait and distraction to keep it progressing but for other uses. Nothing demons or man can make will be superior to the human as far as demonic uses as per Genesis 6.

Mankind is being misled by a lifeform and intelligence way beyond human being. The Bible has been clear on this since day one, Genesis 3.


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Will I live if I support the idea of a one world government (not to replace God, but as something progressive for humanity)?

Yes / no?[/QUOTE]

If I did not know about Jesus Christ’s purpose for planet Earth I would support the benefits a world government could bring. I know some criminal nation-states work against the benefit of the whole “family of nations”. I know they need a “higher power” that can enforce a fair international law on them too, they are not above the law as some think they are.

But I know Jesus Christ will directly install the human element of his Kingdom because humans must take part in the recovery. I do not believe the UN is an affiliate of Jesus Christ but the “image” “of the wild beast” of Revelation.

And because their record is clear in the tops of nation-states from where they derive their power of managerial intelligence I do not believe they have good ultimate intentions for billions of people but view them as parasites and it is they who will bring about the “four winds” period of Matthew24:21-22 most severe period the that “great tribualtion” they engineered not God.

I believe they have well intentioned people that they use for other purposes. And I believe the real powers are demon placed as per Luke 4 and are not trustworthy as per Daniel 8:25a. I do NOT trust them.

But the concept of world government is a truth in regard to the welfare of planet Earth. In the wrong hands it can be its worst nightmare come true. And I feel the first world government rendition is from the same source as the nation state a power system “not by his power” as per the Daniel 8:23-25 description. The first one is the decoy, it is what Christ then arrives to conquer only after they make the universal claim of beign Earth’s sole divine rulership from God.

And claim that they will, because the only thing they can do is manifest first and then cloak it in a false prophecy and false claims. They cannot wait, they have to act first, or it would be too late. And their own actions is what will trigger the Christ arrival is what I believe even after full fair warning of the consequences because they only learn the hard way. It is their nature.

But individuals among them will choose the superior force and Kingdom of Jesus Christ as per the Revelation 14:6-8 global offer sure to confront every man of planet Earth from angels at that particular time when the decision must be made, one way or the other, for human world government or for Christ’s.

In the meantime, man’s evolution of government would naturally lead to world government because it is a truth, but who heads it is what is in dispute. There will eventually be the Daniel 2:31-45 world government but in the hands of the King of kings and no man can have that title, it is now going to Jesus Christ official when they 8th King is deposed, he is just King designate of the Messianic Kingdom agency at this time.


JF Rutherford was probably the most important watch dog thsi minsitry ever had. They had to wait until after he died to pull that GB stunt from 1944-1976.

Had JF been there they would have had to suck their corn on the cob through pummelled squinted black eyes.

The GB Korah back stabbed Fred Franz and Knorr, and if we projected the 1970 to 1975 growth under Knorr’s organizational leadership and Fred’s spiritual guidance there would be 30 MILLION JWs today.

But as the stats show it has been a downward spiral ever since the GB reign of error began, down down down in JW growth.

JWs could fire them and send them tarred and feathered on hot rails, so the GB lays on the therats on JWs to keep them all walkign on eggshells.

So God by way of Abaddon the Destroyer shall put them on hot rails for JWs with Daniel 8:13-14.

Then it will get better for recovering JWs, by no means a big picnic but anyone else who tries to impede the final warning or pull another GB stunt will be a heaping pile of smoking ash via Destroyer, and that is how the “two witnesses” will “call down fire from heaven” from there on out to 1260 days complete, witnessing 2.0, future wrap up.

God allowed about a 1/3 40 year reign of GB error since 1976, and that is all they get. (Rev8:10-12)

The GB entity is a FAIL and is TOAST. (Zech3:1-5)

The GB is the cause of all this external nuisance due to LAWLESSNESS. (Zech3:1-3; 2Thess2:3-4)

What Fred Franz was starting will be completed and Ray Franz will be exonerated and the GB will be exposed as the Korah Criminals they are as per Daniel 11:32a.

They booted Ray so when Fred died JWs would have ZERO true leadership, ZERO. Ray was the next man in line and he was no Bible slouch he basically wrote the Aid Book and most of it from scratch.

No wonder the Korah GB wanted him gone.


[QUOTE who=”Nomi”]There really was no need for a “Governing Body”, back then. There was really not enough worshipper,s to require one at the time. Even if it were thousand’s, wouldn’t be large like it is today. I do agree with the suggestion it would pretty much be the older men.[/QUOTE]

As in all times past as with Moses and Aaron God uses a chosen guide; Russell, JF Rutherford and Fred Franz were the spiritual guides, Knorr was like Aaron as the “side kick” but he was a great administrator the “board” did pretty much nothing, as usual.

So to have a “GB” out of the blue was a new managerial style and now we know it wasalso illegal, it was a Korah stunt. Nate and Fred were doing better BEFORE the GB tried to fix a perfectly fine wheel.

The stats prove this. There was absolutely no reason whatsoever to depose the God chosen leadership of Fred and Nathan, NO WAY!

And now the GB has to reap what they really have been sowing like Korah the whole time: REBELLION against the way God has been doing it from day one, Abraham and Moses.

Just you wait and see what God has in store for them GB rebels and traitors.

Fred Franz was the last God chosen guide JWs have had.

BrotherP, (at times I could state things more positively, so this is one I hope is that)

Yes, I think even with differences people can find things more important to agree on. I am not a “doomsdayer” and even the way I try to explain it bypasses the stages of the final divine signs designed to wake up as many people as possible. (Hag2:7, etc)

So if I sounded like it was an ultimatum I mean at the end of some generic signs which take into account this is a divided world and there are various ways to arrive to the conclusion that world government is a signal, even with its completion the reaction of Christ is not immediate. In comparison to how long it took to get there it is pretty immediate, but because of th sheep sweep required first, it has to take some time for strategic salvation.

But with the divine purpose of SAVING AS MANY PEOPLE as possible, the manner in which the manifestation occurs can vary from stealth to visually seen, “with the clouds” or with “power and great glory” in the sheep sweep mode which is as far as Matthew 24:29-31 gets, there is no “the end” in that sequence.

The goal is salvation arrived at by people’s awareness being tuned in over this final cycle which takes some years, so it cannot be sudden because the manifestation of world government is preceded by a birthing phase which has been a “sword stroke” event in all UN presentation climaxes.

Thus the impression of “doomsday” only aids the process to sell world government, the decoy version. Even in the Cold War the mere possibility of it going nuclear allowed that era to have a unique tension about it even with no “hot” world war. So the 3rd UN event of 1990 could point out the aversion from “nuclear holocaust” as a positive for its sales pitch.

So the point of Rev13:3 “sword stroke got healed” is that global fear and uncertainty can create a negative doomful energy that by an eventual peace resolution can actually be energy projected into great global hopefulness as this formula has been used in all the world wars, hot or cold. A “problem” to “solution” dialectic based positive “reaction” effect goal to “admire” world government as in Rev13:3; Rev17:8-13.

But because the world is huge and there is much confusion we never could simply rely on “Jehovah’s witnesses” to get through to everyone and in the state they have devolved into it is the opposite effect now anyways. So they are incomplete in warning and invalid in it as well, it CANNOT “end” as soon as JWs say, they ahve one last “false prophecy” to eat before the eyes of the world coming up, and it will be the biggest one of them all. (WT7/15/15 “self-fulfilling prophecy” stuff, btw)

My speculation is that it is going to get clearer and clearer and clearer in a divine way for the many scattered peoples in a way that is more basic and can transcend religious negativity, but a final warning will emerge none the less, but something well beyond human must also be at work to meet the Matthew 10:23 goal, because humans are limited and Christ himself is capable of completing his own ministry and using angels in that final 1290 days period to help those he will save regardless of even their “Christian affiliation” as Romans 2 shows there is a more basic determination God will use for some people and that is their basic nature and life purpose.

If a person is helpful and loving as best they can be by conscience, as Paul stated it was like circumcision to these, God will not destroy anyone obeying the command of love even if they are ignorant that that command is what their life pattern has been geared to align with.

In the end, it is God’s judgment through Christ the appointed one, and Christ will expend MORE effort to save people than he even expended to make the salvation purchase which “cost” him his life in the first place. But some people do have Christian understanding and the more we have the more accountable we are to be responsible with the knowledge.

But I have found indications in scripture the salvation will be huge and cannot be limited by a religious label even non-Christains, due to various obstacles, can be saved if their life purpose is not destructive.

The final sign after world government is the global deposition of the religious complex. (rev17:15-18; Rev16:20)

Now some sell that as just awful, and no doubt for some it is. But if we look at ancient Babylon the master pattern, their downfall was reason to celebrate for far more prisoners than just the Jews.

The purpose of the Babylon downfall in all cases is SALVATION, even if by trying circumstances, God has to free the last sheep batch, THAT is the driving purpose of removing religions, not just judgment. The removal of religions, (which still have God’s “my people” in them), will free up people very clearly to the only thing they ever had anyways: God and Christ, in a way they can more clearly see religion was just an unneeded middle man anyways.

So the end of religion frees up some last sheep, even if they are sheep in a day on the spot, not all go down as affirmed goats. BTG going down is actually great news.

HOW people arrive there is not my business to judge, my only concern is people being fooled to accept the 666-decoy in place of the real thing in God’s Kingdom. But I think God will make the distinction easier and easier for those to see, who will chose his Kingdom over all others and is assist must go beyond human.

I know it has to go beyond human to greater degrees as we reach the real climax point, but I think it unfolds over some final years in Daniel 12:11 and the whole period will become known as “open for salvation” just as the final week was known in Noah’s day (Gen7:4) and in Daniel 9:27 final seven years of the Jewish allowance. (being the 1260 then 1290 pattern)

God will meet his goal of a big salvation and he knows no barriers to get his sheep, none whatsoever. Thus I hope as well variosu differences do not put people in conflicts that are unneeded when salvation is a goal for many people themselves, and God will meet it in ways beyond human, because if it was only human the salvation would be unduly limited, hence Rev14:6-8 as the BTG depositon is completing and that can be over more than a physical “day”.



[QUOTE who=”HopeReigns”]<quoted text>

That didn’t answer my questions. This is what I asked:

“Let’s remove the “illustration” from this equation for a moment.
Do you believe Jesus used something He knew was an “untruth” to teach truth?
Would you consider that to be lying on Jesus’s part?”

Thank you,

What “untruth”?

It is an illustration of a spiritual state not a physical one in which one party perceives condemnation as they are tormented daily by the truth, but can’t do anything about it, but still think they can command the other party they planly “see” in heaven to squirt some water in their mouth to ease their spiritual torment in spiritual condemnation, while alive as human beings.

It is simply some people “make it”, some do not as a continuum of life NOW, and both perceive the state at the same time while alive, but in different ways commensurate with their current disposition. If we boiled it down to its classes one is rich now, one is poor now, but the state of those rich now changes in the overall judgment of God which these developments would lead to, but they are being told of it now they are made aware in spite of their life’s overriding delusion of spiritual “wealth”.

Jehovah’s witnesses applied the same principle but to religious “bodies” currently in this drama. But strangely, JWs have also developed a “rich man” GB about to be roasted up and while alive JWs will have to face the strange truth of the matter as this drama now repeats isolated in the JW microcosm along with their “rich man” GB. The “Lazarus” is beaten sheep who shall see God’s judgment on the GB and JWs, but JWs can repent.

It is what Jesus generally did: a deeper meaning taught in a simple way. But as you have it it is also a simple meaning taught in a simple way, yet none of Jesus other illustrations are that superficial to be hi-jacked for simpleton purposes in this case for the “rich man’s” own religious extortion technique of the hell fire threat set.

Scared stiff sheep, fearing eternal damnation in an eternal state of torture, are, go figure, those who make the Christendom “rich man” rich, and this form of blackmail equates to 200 BILLION dollars for that doomed clergy and academic crew. So, they too can repent, dump the hell fire lie and become Lazarus. But will they? Some yes, some no.

This illustration applies NOW, it is not to be used to promote simplex pagan ideas of immortal souls and eternal torture to abuse sheep with. Sorry, no can do. If that is good enough for you, then you are enriched now by the delusion, yet for example, JWs have you in constant torment and you come here to see if they can spare you a drop by giving up on their expose’ because they up and went bad too, so may be that lets you off the hook.

But it doesn’t. Yet you shall retain the “rich man” mindset just the same. Good luck with that idea.


Are we really to think God is not involved with spreading his word in written form? Think the Bible is just going to poof out of thin air?

Christendom, which JWs rejoined with their GB “clergy” and are historically rooted in, has been used BY GOD to print Bibles since Gutenberg.

Christendom is still God’s “house” merely rejected like the Jews since 1919 as JWs were created as Bible Students first to make the global divine announcement as part of the initial 1260 days warning. Under world government when CHristendom rides that wildbeast to their deposition, then the then the previously known judgment is made official just as in Jerusalem in 70 CE.

Very simple. But the world needs a sign and so do JWs.

As proof God will demonstrate the matter on JW Org as Daniel 8:13-14 and 1Pet4:17. If they cannot or will not repent God will raise another “organization” no more divine than a web server or John’s pen, but it WILL be a mundane tool of God, this is not all just going to “poof” outa thin air IT REQUIRES REV10:11 CHRISTIAN ACTION.

But according to Daniel 11:31a and Daniel 11:32b and Nahum 2, Jehovah may purpose to recover in the smashed JW Org and make JWs disclose all the malfeasance and cover-up of the GB clergy who will NOT be recovered and will be deposed as the little harlot they are astride their UN NGO Scarlet Wildbeast saddle.

JWS WILL HAVE TO MAKE A GLOBAL APOLOGY, ADMIT MANY SINS, AND DISCLOSE ALL THE DETAILS OR WE CAN JOIN THE WEED PILE. THAT is the FINAL 1260 day warning when it eventually gets there then with plenty of Daniel 8:13-14 “chapter one” proof as the JW then former apostasy is announced with the final warning this time.***

The “Temple Judgment of Jehovah’s witnesses” comes with a very distracting global down turn in the Daniel 11:41-43 first four plague stretch of the peak 3 enemy horse global world war “sword stroke” ride which resolves and “heals” into world government which triggers Christ arrival which will all be recovered JW forewarned before we get that far.

We got 15 more years, the current JW “it is the end of the world everyone!” hoax prophecy will fail and it will be the last one and the big one to make JWs a laughing stock as the world heads instead to world government as JWs have been plainly misled as per Dan11:32a by their UN-KN-GB baffoon crew.


When Jesus Christ said “Jerusalem” would be “trampled by the nations” he meant at that time the FUTURE Revelation 11:3 “holy city is to be trampled 42 months” as in 1914-1918’s first 1260 days fro the first Kingdom announcement in regard to God’s Kingdom.


There is a FINAL 1260 days of 1260 days that must announce the “second witnessing” of the “TWO witnesses” for the second Kingdom manifestation as the Messianic Kingdom maturation and completion announcement IN THE FUTURE, thereby COMPLETING 2520 days as “seven times” of explicit divine warning with the Kingdom of God main sovereign ensign.

(Luke 21:24) Jerusalem will be trampled on by the nations, until the appointed times of the nations are fulfilled.

The real “appointed times of the nations” is that 2520 days “seven times” of Revelation 11 which occured first in 1914-1918 and will manifest again after the Daniel 8:13-14 Temple Judgment of Jehovah’s witnesses coming up.

This must occur TWICE with each “witness” to compleet the FINAL SEVEN TIMES:

(Revelation 11:2-3) . . .But as for the courtyard that is outside the temple [sanctuary], cast it clear out and do not measure it, because it has been given to the nations, and they will trample the holy city underfoot for forty-two months. 3 And I will cause my two witnesses to prophesy a thousand two hundred and sixty days dressed in sackcloth.”

The Daniel 11:32a KN-GB FAKES cover this up to lead JWs into this judgment as Daniel 11:41.

[QUOTE who=”I_know_better_now “]<quoted text>

The problem with your thinking is you are hung up on Russell and Franz.. You know life does go on.. There needed to be new representation.. Worshiping Franz does not accomplish anything. Jehovah’s will is still moving forward even with all the undesirables that you think are leading things. You think leading such a massive org is easy? I think if you were in their shoes you would not be able to handle it. [/QUOTE]

It would be EASY. They make it over-organized to make ti all a drag so they can give the impression of “importance”, kiss me kiss me.

Fred Franz has work that requires completion, that is the point of not shelving the work he did, it completes in the world government prophecy which has to be warned of BEFORE the 666 comes out to mark everyone.

Now it may take EFFORT, but it would be easy in the sense the drive to perform it is amped up by God, because this temple judgment will also be followed with a final blast of holy spirit as Joel is the temple judgment and recovery trumpets parallel.

Now the Fred Franz clarified “seven trumpets” PATTERN can be used for the final seven trumpets to Christ arrival as world government arrives in the late 6th trumpet with the 6th plague culmination.

So we have a “guage” reliable to map the Christ arrival before it arrives. In doing the “second witness” of the TWO witnesses, the 1914-1918 “first witness” has to be refreshed in the JW mind so they can SEE the repeat of the pattern, but this time to world government that must precede the Christ full blast arrival to secure sheep first, then depose BTG and 8th King all in the exact seven trumpet order as all prophecy can be registered into its place in that 7 gauge to Christ conquest, T7.

The final warning summary of Rev10:5-8 must review what Russell, Rutherford, and Fred laid out in witness1 because it is its completion now to unfold in witness2 as one WHOLE affirmed warning of the guaranteed Christ arrival so many can be saved in Rev11:11-13 and Rev14:6-8 events.

As complete and detailed 100% as it will be, it has to get very simple as well, [[world government triggers Christ arrival]], simple:

8th King World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and “world peace” stated (1Thess5:1-3; Dan12:11), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

It will be the most thorough and convincing warning and open salvation offer ever produced by God.

Because it is leading to the revelation of Jesus Christ and the WHOLE Kingdom of God right up there in the stratosphere and closer than that right in our very faces.

Of course such an event shall get a final GLOBAL warning.


[QUOTE who=”Nomi”]He is for others, by way of association with the Anointed. Am I? I’m not sure, yet.[/QUOTE]

You should consider it because there is going to be a “five foolish virgin” depletion coming up. And you already have “first witness” credits so you could apply yourself to the “second witness” (of the Rev11 TWO witnessings) replacement batch even though you were from the first batch round of older anointed as far as associates and your age. It would not be a barrier, others will do it as God is who calls but how he calls is his own business.

What I mean is the anointing is NOT complete eyt, and it will have a drop by rejection so there has to also be that element of anointed alternates in the final call of Matthew 22:1-14. Then you just have to do what the rest of the “second witness” round anointed have to do and that is carry out the final warning to best of personal ability and that personal mission completion forms the basis in God’s timing of the real final sealing of affirmation for the last of this required completion batch, the ones that head straight into the total Christ arrival.

Updates are coming, currently Bethel has ZERO approved anointed in any teaching capacity, they are Daniel 11:32a defectors or fakes.

Fred Franz was the last approved anointed teaching at Bethel. He was one whose MODERN “restraint got removed” to allow the GB MOL to be revealed. (2Thess2:1-12)

This is no joke. There is some final opportunity.


[QUOTE who=”Jimmy”]<quoted text>

So if, according to JWs doctrine, we don’t have a mediator and we only receive that through association with the anointed. Then is the Bible written for everyone or is it written for the anointed and we receive knowledge of it only through associating with them?[/QUOTE]

The Bible was written from God, for Christ first. It is his Resume chapter 1. It is all about Jesus Christ and the seed he is for God’s Kingdom means to sanctify his name and purpose and will by bringing about the global restoration of total paradise, as while “Kingdom of God” package end product.

In the hierarchy it was for the way it goes down FOR ALL PEOPLE or else the salvation would become limited, so it MUST be for everyone as God is no snob and speaks to all people by his word.

But Bthel’s job is to produce a pantheon of idols around the GB Phallus, so they over blow anything they can to darw JWs very slyly into deep sins which then leads to the tmple judgemnt requireemnt and its Daniel 8:13-14 TIMED PROOF propehcy to get back to that Daniel 8:14 “right condition” as JWs are now in the WRONG CONDITION by the GB idolatry lead and “smooth words” of Daniel 11:32 GB lies of the Rev2:2 liars they are.

The GB KNOWS the problems they are causing and could fix it, but only make it worse every year, so they are really Daniel 11:32a smooth wordsmiths of final apostasy signal note “in the Temple fo the God” which ahs been iDd fully since 1919.

They want people to doubt it all and toss the baby with the bathwater due to their “1/3” errors of Rev8 now present also in their 40 year reign of error since 1976, “1/3” of the whole JW ministry has been tainted by GB wormwood of the 3rd trumpet evidence of Rev8:10-11.

The GB are the leads for KN globalists of the final apostasy of prophecy. The last one.


The “ill-luminators” will suffer a momentary but severe “setback” at breakpoint D of the 3.19 year SIGNAL point of the desolations of Daniel 8:13-14 on the JW org visible epicenter.

Future Fifth Plague: The Destroyer Hits the Illuminati

Now the significance of settings the sun back “10 steps” in Isaiah 38 as far as a human may picture that SIGN is the “sun” of world government development must be DELAYED to meet God’s prophecy timeline. World Government is what the Ill-luminati help develop as part of the “two horned wildbeast” of Anglo-American based globalist “elitism” with many other organizations now including the WTS and other “secret societies”.

But when Destroyer starts to set them back at point “D” 3.19 years into JW org desolations at global scale, they will be delayed in other over-accelerated world government development cores in only enough force to stall them, not destroy them yet, until the complete world government and its 1Thess5:1-3 “world peace everyone” global-proclamation.

That 8th King King North completion triggers the Christ arrival, and it takes over that 15 years of JW “life extension” also pictured in Isaiah 38.

The D is only sending the Illuminati his brand of “private message” that he is back “in the temple” and MOL GB will be sent packing at the least as part of the revelation and expulsion of the MOL from the ministry they now impede as Daniel 11:32a, as they are Illuminati to JWs, placed by King North in the JW ministry to adjoin it to the “Wild beast fro Organizations” as UN NGO; the UN NGO is the Matthew 24:15 signal and the “transgression causing desolation” to JW Org of Daniel 8:13, soon.

That is why it is a command of Christ at Matthew 24:15 to flee JW Org NOW. It is to be invaded in Daniel 11:41 (Dan8:11) as part of the Daniel 11:42-43 global downturn in an engineered economic catastrophe the I has installed in the global financial system by way of the central banks and other financial devices of control to result in the 7th King King South downfall into their full power as King North world government forming in Daniel 11:42-43.


JWs get a “15 year life extension” to, in part, complete the final proclamation. That 15 years STARTS as the Daniel 8:13-14 judgment and timing BEGINS, it is all in Isaiah 38’s final signs of Destroyer involvement in that recovery.

Future Fifth Plague: The Destroyer Hits the Illuminati

Destroyer comes out 3.19 years into the JW desolations, at the END of “the evening” phase of Daniel 8:14,26.

There will be no GB or enemies of MOL left among JWs once Destroyer passes over “Egypt” which the GB have installed among JWs. It is also the second trumpet splashdown event of the “burning mountain” and the “crag” here is the GB 666 Ratnest in the JW Org:

(Isaiah 31:8-9) And the Assyrian must fall by the sword, not [that of] a man; and a sword, not [that of] earthling man, will devour him. And he must flee because of the sword, and his own young men will come to be for forced labor itself. 9 And his own crag will pass away out of sheer fright, and because of the signal his princes must be terrified,” is the utterance of Jehovah, whose light is in Zion and whose furnace is in Jerusalem.

Apollyon is the “FURNACE” the GB shall be thrown into. (Isa66:6; Matt22:1-14)

[QUOTE who=”rsss1″]<quoted text>
what does the torment that the rich man was in after he died mean?…there bodies were in the grave what was carried off?


It is an illustration. The listeners would have known this much:

(Ecclesiastes 3:21) . . .Who is there knowing the spirit of the sons of mankind, whether it is ascending upward; and the spirit of the beast, whether it is descending downward to the earth?

So what is it? Does the soul ascend or the spirit? Then what is the difference?


[QUOTE who=”I_know_better_now “]<quoted text>

I’ve said this before. You are either right or gravely wrong. You are skipping over the Biblical principles that talks about Jesus and his brothers. Any who basically does anything against Christ’s brothers is doing it to Jesus Himself. The problem you have is the whether or not the 144,000 members are Christs Brothers… [/QUOTE]

The GB is NOTHING faithful, discreet or slave but of money and attention. But at least you consider this may be right, not in I, but in the application of Daniel 8:13-14 that when it is fulfilled and fully runs its evening and morning phasing and verification timing WILL LEAVE NO DOUBT WHAT HAS [BEGUN]. (Dan8:26; 1Pet4:17; Zech3:1-5; Mal3:1-5; Eze10; Isa6:6-9; Rev8:1-8)

I know who the 144000 are and the GB is “set in opposition” aginst God, Christ and the eventual 144000 as well. (2Thess2:1-4; Zech3:1-3; Dan11:32a; Dan8:12)

This testimony is unique because:

1. It REAFFIRMS and defends the 1914-1918 first sovereign sign, COMPLETELY as the first witnessing truths of Russell, JFR and Fred are from GOD and he caused it as per Revelation 11:2-3. This testimony does not doubt 1914 truths and what they led to in UN 1, LON, 1919 as a 1st step of 4 to world government of the future all to be UN based presentations.

2. It PROVES beyond all doubt and beforehand this time that that first JW pattern well known, is the BASIS of a “SECOND witnessing” of the TWO “witnesses” of Rev11 that as per Rev10:11 MUST happen in a final 1260 days to emerge after the Daniel 8:13-14 events, timing and temple judgment “right condition” is present in the JW ministry once again.

3. It is the longest range forecast IN THE WORLD with the largest OPEN SALVATION MESSAGE in the world and nothing will surpass its comprehensive completion purpose of Revelation 10:5-11 as this is the most complete, trustworthy as far as divine prophecy, and harmonious answer to the current JW problems IN THE WORLD.

4. It only testifies known errors kept by the GB on purpose in Daniel 4,8 and 11. Daniel 12 is fine with its Revelation parallels of witnessing one which is also fine.

5. It IDs the GB as the final UN allied “man of lawlessness” leaders of the Daniel 11:32a prophecy, where they are from in the real globalist King North world government developer camp, when they emerged with the Daniel 8:13 “transgression causing desolation” of the 1990 3rd UN now covered up since 1990. It IDs the who, what, where, why, how and when of the GB anti-Christia purpose for the core enemy system who developed them in Jehovah’s witnesses as direct as Daniel 11:32a and Daniel 8:12 state. The GB are GLOBALIST INFILTRATION to control the JW ministry into UN alliances and apostasy as an evil body of control.

The GB conceal the real KN and the post-1990 active prophecy entirely. (Dan8:12b “throwing truth to the earth successfully”)

6. It states Jehovah’s witnesses MUST in time carry this whole expose’ to the world as the second witnessing final warning 1260 days or suffer full rejection from God as Revelation 10:5-11 is a sworn divine oath, promise, and command, not a suggestion from God. It MUST take place to full global apology, disclosure and the complete testimony of the reality of King North and the whole final prophecy they GB has been covering up 1005 since 1990.

7. It will exonerate many people falsely charged by the evil GB and it will announce the global destruction of the GB entity forever among the anointed Christian ministry as chapter 1 of the final 1260 days warning Jehovah’s witnesses will have to take global. The GB is who is revealed as the man of lawlessness this time as 3rd trumpet and Rev 9 import in part as final warning chapter 1.

It is what it is. None of the above can be denied in GB purposeful apostasy in support of the real King North leaders.

It cannot be stopped. (Rev11:3; Dan12:7; Rev12:14; Rev13:5; Dan7:25-26)


[QUOTE who=”I_know_better_now “]<quoted text>

I’ve said this before. You are either right or gravely wrong. You are skipping over the Biblical principles that talks about Jesus and his brothers. Any who basically does anything against Christ’s brothers is doing it to Jesus Himself. The problem you have is the whether or not the 144,000 members are Christs Brothers.. And whether the FDS are members of that 144,000 group. Neither you or I can prove that they are or are not. Do you really want to take such a gamble? If you are wrong you are a walking dead man to God. Jehovah will not take this lightly. Only a reckless or completely faithless person would dare challenge the Almighties moves. I personally think you are the Blasphemous one.. You are the one spouting your mouth off against the Almighties Chosen Ones which include the FDS. If the FDS are truly anointed then what I just said is absolutely true. A wise man would zip his lip because he is wise and leave God to his business. Not challenge God’s decisions whether knowingly or unknowingly. It’s a crazy gamble and the stakes are ones life.. Not wise to do. This is where the fear of God should kick in. But if it doesn’t with you then it is likely because you actually have no association to Jehovah or his people that would explain the brazen attitude. [/QUOTE]

This testimony is “God’s business”. If it is right and I said nothing, then woe is me.

Nut this is the truth and God has to be the one opening it up, NOT ME, I merely noticed why things are off with JWs and who, what, where, why when, and how this apostasy has taken control of JWs.

The GB is who are doomed and to be fully exposed as they go down to the lake, as an entity cursed of God and cursed of men. ONLY JWs are fooled by the lawless GB because of their suits and ties, not because of ANYTHING they have ever done.

Fred Franz is who wrapped this all up, NOT a “Governing Body” of temple parasites in UN NGO collusion with the KN they ACTIVELY cover up to the world and JWs.

They are STALLED on purpose, they have done NOTHING. Fred Franz and Nathan, JFR and Russell DID IT ALL as far as prophecy and spiritual advancement.

The GB is DEAD weight. Obvious they are FAKE as the day is long.

I have no doubts. NONE WHAT SO EVER. I bet my life Daniel 8:13-14 is next and on JWs. I am not going to lose, the GB is in checkmate, on the way out, thank God. They HAVE BEEN horrid from day 1, 1976, which began with an evil scandal to slap Fred and Nathan in the face, and try to stab God and Christ in the back.

They are planning to bring Zechariah 11 on JWs, hence flee with Matthew 24:15 COMMAND of Christ, that is no suggestion either.


[QUOTE who=”red blood relative”]yes mr betheldudiepoo, jws certainly did fulfill 2 thess 2; 2 and invent a FAKE ”day of the lord”.
how long are you going to try to keep the charade going?

questions at the bottom
1……….. what happened to korah’s buddies?


This is the longest range forecast IN THE WORLD.

Christ will NOT arrive until after world government completes and state their final “world peace” of 1 Thess5:1-3 AFTER this coming world war which “heals” into said world government.

Dan8:14 timing leads to Dan12:7 (Rev11:3) timing leads to Dan12:11 timing.

Christ arrives shortly after the 1260 days is expired as per Rev11:7-12.

And all of that will come true and be out a good 10 years even before JWs have been desolated and recovered for the final warning purpose of Rev10:11.

Dan12:7 and Dan12:11 timings are all OPEN FOR SALVATION as Revelation 14:6-8 will manifest in Daniel 12:11 as it is active as defined by final warning deposed and complete world government presented. BTG goes down AFTER world government is presented and that downfall shakes out a few last sheep weepies.


It will all come true. (Rev1:1)

JWs will remain the global focus for good reason.


[QUOTE who=”I_know_better_now “]You are either right or gravely wrong. [/QUOTE]

King South and King North, for example, have simplified as they went fully global in scope. King South is what we call the “old world order” nation-state system of global management by nations as setup and allowed by God as per Romans 13.

King North is the globalism based globalist world government system, what is called the “new world order” where a sole global authority dictates all requirements of the people and nations as a whole and it is NOT sanctioned as allowable in Romans 13, but as only tolerated for the “one hour” of Revelation 17:12.

Now that is EASY to say King North has always only been able to be 8th King. Russia is NOT going to set up global “palatial tents” of world government they will be under one of them.

Thus, this is easy. The GB could easily say this, but because they work for KN in Daniel 11:32a they conceal it although it is very simple who King North must culminate as, as all Bible prophecy winds up at the very same spot: World Government Versus Jesus Christ for the World Title of King of kings.

Guess who loses?

They are about to fight a being billions of EONS in septillions upon septillions of years of existence and divine experience since way way way way before this universe came into existence with all powers of heaven and hell at his finger tips with 1000 BILLION angels, at least, also engaging the enemy face to face, gigawatts versus puny men in scant armor as angels can tear apart tanks like a kid opening a Milky Way bar package.

And the angels will devour them too. The GLOBAL “sheep sweep” mode takes the most time in Daniel 12:11, world government and Global NATO will be exterminated to bits and pieces and piles of smoking ashes in a matter of an hour, if that, when Christ goes into War Mode of Revelation 19:11-21.

They are almost ready for the war, but not quite; (Joel 3:9-17; Eze38:7)


[QUOTE who=”red blood relative”]<quoted text>

at what point do you figure out self-appointing yourself to be god’s exclusive mouthpiece on earth carries the LAKE OF FIRE penalty?

wait, you can’t figure that out………. the wicked are in darkness
questions at the bottom///

1……… what happened to korah’s buddies?[/QUOTE]

You are who appointed yourself to try to say I appoint myself when it is all you. The only thing that separates you from the GB is, other than that 50 billion dollars, they got a few million followers whereas even your children consider you nuts now. The person in the mirror is you followers, you and whatever it si the uses you as the host human.

I, in contrast, am not looking for followers or a name or a PayPal button connected to books and key chains.

This had to come out for Zechariah 11’s Jehovah’s witnesses who are about to go under an attack (Dan11:41) to try to shut them up on their final warning commission even before they know it is to be a required reality of Revelation 10:11. This is only here to help JWs when all they have left is that person in the mirror and this comprehensive complete and thorough message so they can refocus that they will still have God and Christ once they complete the “right condition” producing required disclosure, and repentance.

The end is not coming yet (2Thess2:1-2), but JWs have been misled to think that so when this attack comes to attempt to shut them up prematurely, misled JWs will think it is “surely the end brothers!”, except it is just the end of Bethel apostasy and KN’s presence there as Destroyer will pour them out of the place quite on fire.

This will make sure JWs only aid the downfall of the org by doing NOTHING but heading to FEMA processing “bunkers”, delaying them for half of the Daniel 8:14 timing and even the recovery is going to be slow for JWs to get this into their thick skulls and icecube hearts.

JWs are in for a shock, but then again so are you, it is designed to wake everyone up and put focus on the JW catastrophe for the final warning to emerge right where the world will be looking.

It leads to the final 1260 days requirement of full fair final warning and the big open salvation offer to go final in Daniel 12:11 and Revelation 14:6-8 time.


When KN and Bethel have some new “dangerous information” to release they like to make it sound like Bethel is all disturbed and DMCAing everyone.

Well as per Daniel 11:32 KN Echelon and Bethel are ALL IN ON IT TOGETHER, so these little “controversies” just aid the micro-viral nature of the release which had they done nothing would have just faded from day one; instead this gives it all a little spike like that 2012 “we are the FDS” wordly release stunt also worked so people of the world knew MOL is now FDS claimant even before JWs caught wind of the gas from Bethel’s backdoor.

It is just a ploy all the dirt comes from Bethel FIRST and then to the distributions channels like Cedars etc, it is all orchestrated for one effect: Discredit JWs and the initial warning of God.

UK and USA intel have been sharing JW intel from before 1948 and the roots of Echelon, and now all the top national intels are also in on the anti-JW-Org global corporate hit coming up (Dan11:41; Dan8:13) because they can all score at least WTBTS assets on the ground in their domains, so they have monetary motive and the whole score is around 30 billion so they have had ample leakage funding the whole time.

In essence, JWs contributions have funded this op and Cedars, R King and this whole KN outer perimeter crew.


[QUOTE who=”sidgi”]<quoted text>

Why would anyone wish to waste time trying to understand one of your concoctions, when it is more profitable to put that time into understanding what the bible itself says about a matter.

Your method works after something has already occurred. Prophecy is to alert God’s chosen before it occurs.


Something is going to occur alright, proving this whole prophecy forecast’s remaining 15 years within the first 3.19 years of JW org downfall attempt; THAT is what is coming first: JW Org global downfall as Daniel 11:41 in the Daniel 11:42-43 global 7th King/KS downfall context “tribulation of those days”;

The former JW style is that prophecy had to be revealed after the fact. JW org downfall is revealed in Daniel 8:13-14 and the UN NGO is that “transgression causing desolation” and the entire following 15 years is already forecasted since 2012 in this outline.

The prophecy has to come out BEFORE it all happens this time because it would be too late to wait.

JW Org downfall to define the “fire” of the temple judgment purification is what will come first, timed as Daniel 8:13-14 for future doubters to catch on fast. You can watch some of it on CNN.

So I do not know what “method” you are talking about, this forecast goes through world war coming as Rev13:3 to heal into world government to trigger Christ arrival parousia mode first, to crunch BTG, to shake out some final sheep, then full blaster Christ Rev19:11 mode from there on out to day 1, 1000 Year Reign start up.

This is the longest range and most complete prophecy forecast IN THE WORLD. And that it will remain for it is the outline for the JW final 1260 day warning to come after Daniel 8:14 expires into JW recovery. It starts Rev8-11 as Rev8:1-8 temple judgment parallel.

Rest assured, you will see ALL that happen because prophecy says so, not me.


[QUOTE who=”FutureMan”]<quoted text>

Right, and you wonder why people have a problem with your credibility here on this forum, when you come out with stuff like that.


It is common knowledge what the CIA and MI6 job description is. This is only a stretch for those not keeping up with the goals and technologies of modern intel who now have a copy of this thanks to Echelon.

What cave do you live in? It is DEAD OBVIOUS Bethel is an espionage-like infiltration which for corporations or governments occurs in “boards” and “bodies” for one step at a time control.

This is real world 101 stuff. WTBTS is a 50 BILLION dollar total score. They are not in there for nothing. Daniel 11:32a is what makes it all clear as day to remove all doubt this is an inside to outside job.

The GB has been in on it since day 1 1976 but had to filter out a few nuisance anointed along the way to get this 100% globalist KN body of today, all fake, all actors, all external controlled MI6.

ALL of them.

People are easy to fool, just put on a suit and tie and parrot some Fred Franz is all you need to do.

[QUOTE who=”red blood relative”]<quoted text>

so rutherford invented that is was THE END in 1914-1918……….. yup, just like 2 thess 2 ; 2 warns us that wicked men would do.

and you can’t figure out there is anything wrong with that scheme to self-appoint themselves to be god’s exclusive mouthpiece on earth, by means of that fake arrival of christ……. matt 24; 24
………so you invent more numerology to keep the wicked charade going.

see folks, mr bethelduddie can’t understand anything about justice and judgment……… the wicked are in darkness to that……….. deut 18; 20
questions at the bottom///
1…….. what happened to korah’s buddies?[/QUOTE]

It will not boil down to crazy madness such as you spew. Nor was JFR the “man of lawlessness” whose main delusion is used for other purposes as 2Thess2:1-2.

The GB is who will use that delusion to sell the JW Org invasion of Daniel 11:41 as if Daniel 11″44 and “the end” way way way way way too soon so that JWs will percieve King North cancelling the ministry for a time as if it is “surely the end of the world brothers! The org is being desolated not because of UN NGO of Daniel 8:13 but because it is SIMPLY THE END OF EVERYTHING! HEAD FOR THE BUNKERS, see you in FEMA prisons!”

But we do not know when they plan to send JWs to the FEMA bunkers except for the “brief respite” of the WT7/15/15 over simplified MOL 1-2-3-end itinerary for JWs. Something may disrupt the intent of that part of the op, but Matthew 24:15 is advisable to NOW vacate the UN NGO “disgusting thing” marked JW Org, it has to be trampled as Daniel 8:13 in the Daniel 11:41-43 context of the “tribulation of those days” starting.

1. JW false prophecy fails first;

2. Robert King type delusions fails after

3. Christendom fails all the way into world government where their end comes before the end of the system of things as they fail too.

They are all peas in a MOL pod, but people can repent and JWs have to be recovered as Rev9 and Daniel 8:14 “morning” of Hosea 6:1-3.

But JWs are in for a waking shock. (Matt25:1-13) It is temple judgment time of 1Peter 4:17.

[QUOTE who=”I_know_better_now “]<quoted text>

If you were a smart person. You would zip it. Let Jehovah do his work. If it is as you say it is. Jehovah will work it out. For us to make any stands against the GB that is presumptuousness on our part. Remember the man who took it upon himself to keep the cart carrying the Ark of the covenant from tipping over? What happened to him? Because his NOT obeying Jehovah struck him dead.. Was he trying to do good? Yes in his mind.. In Jehovah’s mind he committed a grave error by presuming he could go against Jehovah explicit instruction. Not to touch the ark.

Maybe you think you know something and maybe you do.. But attacking the GB is not your job it’s Jehovah’s if he feels they did something wrong. He will pay them their payment whether it is good or bad. Does HE really need your voice? You need to repent cease and desist from attacking Jehovah’s anointed ones.. Could it be Jehovah is warning you through me? Maybe HE is being merciful right now.. Do not presume on his mercy much longer. Repent. Having served Jehovah through many difficulties I have experience on complex matters but the principles Jehovah lays out for us are basic. Obedience is very very important. Be obedient to Jehovah not me. If you claim woe is you if you do not yell out your perceived understanding. Jehovah does not care about what you perceive HE cares about what HE wants done.

I see you do have some respect for Jehovah’s people you just have a grudge against the GB.. Very dangerous. It’s the worst thing a person can do personally against Jehovah Himself.

Are you by any chance a Russelite? A person of another denomination if so look at how all the other groups failed to progress and grow.. Stop this attacking of Jehovah’s GB.. It is very dangerous.. If you do decide to continue Jehovah will act when you least expect it. But you will know He did it. Repent turn away from this dangerous course. For your own good. If you are gov connected understand the greatest authority is alive and well and not tolerate the poking of his eye much longer. This entire earth is under HIS authority and he can move any under-authority to protect his people and stop ALL persecution. If he chooses to wait until the end no ONE will escape punishment from Jehovah himself. Then all will know just how dangerous game they were playing was.

Whoever you really are it’s wise to zip it. [/QUOTE]

Very simple King North is world government development and the GB are concealing that easy to see simple truth.

The GB are going to be destroyed by God. At the 3.19 year point in the JW Org desolation, maybe sooner not longer, the MOL KN elements and the GB will meet Destroyer cleaning out the temple and its “cave of robbers” and God REQUIRES to unzip-the-lip and give them their fair warning BEFORE Destroyer comes out looking for them with his “deep place” angels of Zechariah 1.

The GB is Destroyer Furnace toast and smoking grease.

Good riddance. They are NOTHING, and nothing to be feared but only cursed by God. (Isa66:6)

Then JWs are going to have to unzip the lip and pipe up and condemn them as Revelation 9 REPEATS but on anointed frauds like the GB, the men who say they have the seal, but DON’T or have been sealed and rejected in this temple judgment cycle.


[QUOTE who=”I_know_better_now “]<quoted text>

Sometimes with good intentions people make mistakes by not realizing the full consequences of an action. I believe this may be what happened in this case. [/QUOTE]

This prophecy outline is 20,000 pages of completeness that needs to be boiled down to 1000, in a few types of summaries from simple to complete. You can’t make up a perfect prophecy (from God), and you cannot make up a nearly perfect interpretation with 1500 points of exact harmony to unfold over these next 17 years in detail. You just have not considered enough of it.

God has to do it, you cannot just make this up at this scale of cross tested accuracy, no way, now how, it is the final forecast it can be simple or sworn Rev10:5-8 complete, but JWs will have to carry forth a version suitable to their level of experience in “little scroll” form.

COMPLETE World government triggers Christ arrival, that is as simple as it gets.

It will ALL come true because God gives full fair warning and Rev14:6-7 salvation offer [notice] BEFORE Christ gets here. with the real thing.

The question is now how long it takes JWs to catch on with God’s help in time. (Dan8:14) Apostate JWs are the only stall at this time. (Dan11:32a; Dan8:12)

This thing can be fully defended every which way to doomsday for the 8th King and goat crew. There is no “doomsday” for sheep.

You seem to be too new to see the whole picture yet. But you will, you will. JWs have to be cleansed and recovered and in that huge attack context of Daniel 11:41 bad JWs will be purged as will MOL elements. ONLY the “log” is snatched from the Zech3:2 fire, the modern GB termites and associaties are burned up.

[QUOTE who=”rsss1″]<quoted text>

So bethel…..so they sold that building for 65vmillion dollars……you think th wtbts/gb is selling what they have and giving to the poor?….yeah right…..witnesses are one of the least charitable organization unless it’s there own…….you see them running food kitchens,run hospitals,house the homeless,clothe the needy,clean up neighborhoods and the such…..all the time I was a witness I never ever seen any of that unless it was in the faith.[/QUOTE]

I have been clear the GB will give 30 BILLION dollars and JW Org assets to the wild beast system to help them with 666 world government funding. The are King North allies as per Daniel 11:32a. (Eze7:22) KN is world government development.

IF they do Trump in, Jared Kushner will get it all as Trump heir, is my speculation, and he got JW DUMBO too. Kushner is high up in the shadow government, VERY HIGH UP, some say like the designated next leader in that system,the “new blood”. JW assets will go to the 666 project of world government. God may spare a van and a printer, we shall see. (Nah2)

But ti leads to the final warning.

In time you may be able to put 2 and 2 together what has really been going on among JW Org op.


[QUOTE who=”RedhorseWoman”]<quoted text>

Were you raised as a JW child? If not, then you really can’t judge how good or bad a JW upbringing might be, can you?

Yes I was. Well, since 7 years old. But I was a bit of a “black sheep”, may be that is why I was not so easy to program, and my mom was the “yeah, he is an elder from the neck up” type of skeptic, but she was faithful to God, NOT men.

And that all helped, I keep the God “baby” and toss and expose the GB “man” dirty bathwater.

THE GB, not God and the Bible, is the ONLY PROBLEM with JWs. It is not 100% error just because the GB are Satanists undercover, THAT is why they are there!

To discredit JWs and to encourage people to ignore and doubt the 1914 based divine warnings of God Almighty.

That warning is simple, open salvation geared in [public notice] of Rev14:6-7 reality to come with Christ, and it is the target of the Satanic GB attack, they are Daniel 11:32a, palin and simple, just disguised well enough to fool dupable JWs.

Once they are fried from the temple as Daniel 8:13-14, JWs will be cleansed and recovered and it will get truthful again; it will be the second of the “TWO witnesses” final warning and open salvation global offer notice.

It will be Daniel 11:41 btw, but the GB will tell JWs it is Daniel11:44 and “the end” as per the 2Thess2:1-2 main delusion of the MOL.

If you doubt this now, you can test the Daniel 8:13-14 first 3.19 years which will be marked with the JW org global desolation. FYI, that little “UN NGO” debacle is the “transgression causing desolation” of Daniel 8:13 and Matthew 24:15.

Just so you know, this has a reason because JW org downfall is going to get very ugly and some of it will wind up on CNN. It BEGINS the final cycle of prophecy as per 1Pet4:17, it is NOT “the end”; the world war “sword stroke” no matter how ti manifests MUST “heal” in 8th King King North world government first, before Christ arrives, as a global signal as per Revelation 13:3 parallel Revelation 17:8-12.

God let JWs go bad (2Thess2:11-12), because it will get more global attention for the initial judgment that way, it starts Rev8-11 as Rev8:1-8 which is the temple judgment parallel of the Dan8:13-14, Zech3:1-5 and Mal3:1-5 temple cleansing.


1-2-3 Domino Effect of Future Prophecy FAILS

JWs have the most premature prophecy expectations of all the religions fulfilling 2Thess2:1-2. There are some like Robert King who are forecasting the JW Org downfall as part of their “the end” formula. Christendom just keeps adjusting as needed to suit the wild beast world government decoy developments.

Thus the coming fails of all of the above must unfold 1-2-3 like this:

1. JWs fail first, this creates the final false prophecy for the GB led JW apostasy, it is orchestrated so JWs can be sold the JW Org desolations of Dan11:41 and Daniel 8:13 as if it is “simply the end brothers, look no further”; This delays JWs further.

2. The Robert King types, though a little more advanced in time than modern JW delusions, fails after JWs.

3. Christendom keeps failing hand over fist until they sell world government and its “world peace” to be aided by their then corporate complex destruction in their portion of BTG overall deposition.

JWs and King will fail as the real Daniel 8:14 timing wears them all out.

JWs will be “right condition” recovered as a global sign of Daniel 8:14 for the final warning 1260 days to follow that filtration period of Daniel 8:14.


[QUOTE who=”Sparlock”]<quoted text>

One of these days you’re going to have to deal with the fact that there is not, nor has there ever been, anything special or unique about this religion.

Ones just like it have come and gone countless times over the centuries. Just another on the scrapheap of nothing.[/QUOTE]

Such superficial reasoning may be enough to fool you, but not me.

You are the one who will be dealing with some hard facts as the world war resolves into world government prior to the Christ arrival it will trigger. By that time JWs will have been cleansed of the GB and other things, recovered, and will have issued the final 1260 days second witness of the two witnesses final open salvation offer.

If that cannot convince you to take your own life seriously, nothing will, it remains to be seen. But you’ll still have the skin of your teeth, it is possible for ANYONE to observe the Rev14:6-8 offer.

JWs have serious anti-Christian policies which are unbiblical and deadly, those things will be rectified but how that occurs in Daniel 8:13-14 is not going to be pretty, there will be blood in the temple judgment process because the GB are also the betrayer of 2Thess2:3-4 and Zech11.

The GB thing must culminate into total JW Org distaster before JWs can figure out the GB has been the Daniel 11:32a enemy from day 1, 1976, even 1970.


[QUOTE who=”I_know_better_now “]<quoted text>

But your claim of anointing is no more valid than their claim.. The difference they are standing inside Jehovah’s Org you are not. That says alot in itself. Also your attitude shows you are wrong.[/QUOTE]

They don’t tell you OBVIOUSLY King North is world government.


Why they don’t tell you, is telling.

All the proof for JWs to get back on point is in the final forecast it is solid. It is as if Fred Franz came down and finished what he started. In fact, he did. I certainly was not me.

They are the “eagle” symbol of

(Revelation 8:13) . . .And I saw, and I heard an eagle flying in midheaven say with a loud voice: “Woe, woe, woe to those dwelling on the earth because of the rest of the trumpet blasts of the three angels who are about to blow their trumpets!”

Now that is future in event, but the “eagle” is around now in ‘in heaven’ anointed help form with this whole process since even 1914 because the Rev21:14:

“”The wall of the city also had twelve foundation stones, and on them the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. “”

“”24 elder” reality had to be present in also the 12, at the least. Bethel has not revealed this eiither because there light died with Fred Franz since 1992, and they had him shut up for a while before that.

This is also Fred and Ray’s revenge from God on that guilty GB Korah serpent cell. They thought they heard the last of Fred and Ray, they are wrong on that count. Ray was leading to Babylon 607 BCE marker as King Neb in crown-prince marker, 607 BCE, to allow 587-517 70 years temple desolation to also meet the first “seven times” feature to tie to Zech6:9-15.

All this final clarification has to go global, and it will from God Rev11:3.

It is what it is. IT may sound crazy, but Christ showing up with 1000 Billion holy angels for the sheep sweep and war also sounds crazy to some. But it will occur in time. There must be a hugely convincing final warning well beyond the current JW confusion complex, commensurate with the scale of who it will be announcing the arrival of as King of kings designate to complete too.


[QUOTE who=”I_know_better_now “]<quoted text>

You also do not possess the ‘fear of Jehovah’ that also gives you away. [/QUOTE]

Oh yes I do. I do not possess the fear of the GB is what you really mean. IF I did not say all this THEN woe is me from Jehovah. Think it is easy to be snubbed and booted by arrogant fearless JWs?

Well it ain’t as hard as Jeremiah or Ezekiel or Christ faced, but it is just getting started and JWs are very scorpionlike in a self-righteous way and they need the warning because 3 years of total blackout “evening” temple judgment are coming.

Then JWs will be ready to listen and fear Jehovah rather than a then non-existent GB.

JWs are nto complete or finished; (Rev10:11) It has to be summarized to the spec of Rev10:5-8 Godspeed.

And it will be, Destroyer will be deployed to assure final warning is also deployed globally before he comes in in sheep sweep to war mode as King of kings Christ.


[QUOTE=”nhaas11, post: 70701588, member: 381178″]I am not sure what you are saying about fossil fuel, but look at this quote.
Mark 13:32 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not[/QUOTE]

The day and hour is not as specific as I am wanting to speculate on, it is impossible. (Year and month should be doable, but are not really the most important feature of the final prophecy cycle.)

The global signal event indications to precede the Christ arrival are to be made known because it can help many sleepy people start to take their lives seriously in relation to accepting Revelation 14:6-7 offer when that comes right to their very faces.

Now we have WW1, WW2 and Cold WW3 “problems” to know how the world war formula works to highlight the UN “world government for world peace” “solution” AS THE WORLD WAR RESOLVES into its “we really need peace everyone” UN pitch, which the world war makes an obvious “reaction” to highlight the “solution” all designed in from the getgo, WW1, WW2, Cold WW3, and WW Final comign up. All the same “world-war-to-world-government” formula in a global war cycle.

So, it takes no prophet or Sherlock Holmes or Einstein to understand a final “epic war” cycle is required as G Bush Sr. also foretold that the Cold War is “not the last epic war”. And its purpose is the sale of World Government to be then a complete global entity all shall see.

So, we can know Revelation 13:3 “sword stroke” is that world war coming up as the preceding global “problem” to then “heal” in global recovery start up (Isaiah 41:1 parallel) under world government the intended big global “solution” which will be the 666-related signal sovereign entity to precede Christ arrival but it will claim to be “God’s world government” and it will make 666 allegiance an international law requirement of all peoples as per Revelation 13:15-18.

When people see all that they will not need the “day and hour” they oughta be bright enough to know who drops in next: THE TRUE KING OF KINGS. This is all really not too difficult to forecast and understand beforehand and especially when this all comes true, it is mostly common sense as the other stuff can be tested in prophecy cross reference of mostly Daniel and Revelation parallel features.

Ball park is good enough to help people manage a final decision for their own salvation.

How long will this next war take? How many set backs are along the way? (Daniel 11:42-43)

So, 10 years is very conservative but we are talking a number of years to get under world government and its 1 Thessalonians 5:1-3 “world peace” super signal.

(Part of the point is even if this next world war has a few nukes go off, it is NOT “the end of the world” nor “doomsday”; they want you to think it is the “death stroke” “doomsday” but it recovers, as usual, as per Revelation 13:3 to help modern Christians avoid the 2 Thessalonians 2:1-2 modern delusions of the prematurely hyped Christ arrival as if signalled by world war “doomsday” totally contrary to Matthew 24:6 and Luke 21:9 Christ clues.)

Now by that time much “Christian prophecy” will have failed as per 2 Thessalonians 2:1-2.

Now people can take the prophecy fails two ways:

1. It is all bunk

2. These failures are part of the prophecy requirement.

Because many will opt for 1, Christian religions in particular and religions in general, will decline steadily towards the world government period “one hour” of Revelation 17:12. (Revelation 17:15; Revelation 16:12)

Though these failures in forecasting will have been premature but also prophetic and required it will still aid a global mass discrediting complex of all Christian prophecy overall. (But, Jehovah’s witnesses forecast is the most premature of all of them, so it stands to reason their prophecy set shall fail first as a sort of sign of more to come.)

After JWs, the rest fail related to the prematurity of their temporal focus. This forecast is the longest range forecast in the world so it can outlast the others with the proofs of those final global signal events briefly related in the above.

They will be GLOBALLY seen sovereign milestones the whole world will see when the world war resolves into the world government entity. There is good reason the whole world sees and feels all this. (Haggai 2:7)

Now if people did not know what that world government sign means they may become those “admiring” the wild beast world government in Revelation 13:3.

So, a more complete warning has to emerge in time at global scale. (Revelation 10:11; Revelation 11:3) We have time, not much, but enough. (Revelation 10:5-8)


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you dont think the evil started much further back in the Wtbts….Russell believing in pyramidology,false predictions starting from the beginning,Beth Sarum,Pleiades, and many many more…..meaning the whole religon dark,and false

The evil began in 1976 in dictatorial form but was being installed in 1944 as far as the “governing body” term. As with Congress or Parliaments, control by bodies is easier to develop over lifetimes.

The Russell era led to the JFR guided exposure of Christendom and the 2 UN related world government “image” designate entity in prophecy. No way would the supposed “Illuminati” and Globalist Empire Elites expose their main tools, so Russell was sincere they would not set up a man who formed a ministry that led to their full exposure.

They are NOT going to expose their world government project and their religious confusion project just to form a tiny 7 million person ministry as the trade off in JWs. NO WAY! God did all that as JWs have claimed.

Thus, the 2 UNs that have been exposed as prophecy from 1919 to 1945 has been severed at UN 3 1990 “new world order” post Cold War UN presentation which is actually “King North” progress of Daniel 11:31b and Daniel 8:23 in 1990. Very easy to prove as well.

But the GB which is controlled by the Anglo-American Globalist Empire system masters are now covering this up, and instead joined the NWO mantra as UN NGO employing JWs as Wild beast co-publicists.

So, they are the true evil “smooth word” guides of Daniel 11:32, Daniel 8:12. The “Governing Body” is how they developed the KN control over the now in-the-dark and UN allied apostate JW ministry of today.

It will in time turn into a JW org DISASTER, way worse than today it will be a takeover desolation of Daniel 8:13-14 which modern GB activities of Daniel 8:12 is leading. When JW Org goes down, in spite of the global crash and war cycle it will be in, it will be seen by all. And that current JW “it is the end everyone!” will fail, it just keeps running the full course to the world government they are now covering up, but they will have to pipe up by then and also expose it properly.

Delaying JWs from exposing UN world government MODERN progress properly is what the GB task is. They want it all to be concealed. That is why JWs are now out of date, nothing new since 1969 and nothing new in the UN radar since 1945. JWs are stagnant and are instead a center of known global lawlessness like pedophile protection and promotions and grossly questionable finances.

The WTBTS money launderings comes out with the takeover gone full blown, they are saving that for the knockout punch time.

Everyone will see all this happen, it has to start on JW Org as Daniel 8:13-14 and 1Pet4:17 soon. It could take a couple more years, but it is the next true prophecy event, it is the temple judgment phase of Revelation 8:1-8 parallel events.


[QUOTE who=”Passerby”]To any active JW, do you really believe that Christ came invisibility in 1914 and He has an office in Brooklyn, NY. What about any former JW, I know you can tell me the truth, did you really buy in the 607bce/1914 fiasco? For me I was entrapped by the love bombing of the Jehovah’s witnesses but I really did not believe, one bit, in that 607bce/1914 stupidity. What about you?[/QUOTE]

The Bethel problem is the ASSUMPTION Jerusalem was destroyed in 607 BCE.

Well if we put 607 BCE where it always belonged on King Neb crown-prince signal,607 is good, so is 1914.

The only problem JWs have is with their event+date assumption. 607 BCE is still defined by Babylon as Daniel 4 explicitly stated it would be. “the tree” is “YOU O King” of BABYLON as GENTILE based “time”.

“Seven Times” Updates Coming—”Appointed Times of the Nations” Reconsidered, Again

Like Doc, GB “Doc” Bethel tried to build a “time machine” but it has failed, but 607 is good on Babylon anyways, 607-1914 is here to stay forever in world prophecy history for eons and eons to come. It is here to stay. (Rev11:15)

Jerusalem Exile=Destruction? 607 BCE versus 586 BCE Dating—All’s Good! All’s Well, Couldn’t Be Better!


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being that it was a spiritual query, why don’t you try to make a spiritual reply? Is Satan restricted to the earth by the word of God? If so, how could he empower a lesser one than himself to leave the earth? Scriptures, please. No surmises.


1. Where does it say Satan has any restrictions confined to Earth?

(Revelation 12:9) . . .So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him.

He has been hurled down before the Rev4-5 Kingdom of God coronation ceremony, but it does not say he is restricted anywhere but from heaven.

And that leaves plenty of “earth” leeway because Earth is in the universal material system of creation and Satan may full well have full run of the “heavenly places” in this universe:

(Ephesians 6:12) . . .we have a wrestling, not against blood and flesh, but against the governments, against the authorities, against the world rulers of this darkness, against the wicked spirit forces in the heavenly places.

But Christ has access to these “places”:

(Ephesians 1:20) . . .which he has operated in the case of the Christ when he raised him up from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places…

(Ephesians 2:6) . . .and he raised us up together and seated us together in the heavenly places in union with Christ Jesus. . .

So “heavenly places” is a very broad category of possibility. There may be locations outside of ehaven where they all operate from is what that means; “places” up there in them stars.

As far as man going to the moon there is not one Anglo-American “King Fierce” world event that has been truthfully described:

(Daniel 8:25) 25 And according to his insight he will also certainly cause deception to succeed in his hand.

Even the “Tartarus” state:

(2 Peter 2:4) . . .Certainly if God did not hold back from punishing the angels that sinned, but, by throwing them into Tartarus, delivered them to pits of dense darkness to be reserved for judgment. . .

Does not mean they are not still involved with fathering the seed of the serpent in modern times:

(Genesis 6:4) . . .The Nephilim proved to be in the earth in those days, AND ALSO after that, when the sons of the [true] God continued to have relations with the daughters of men and they bore sons to them, they were the mighty ones who were of old, the men of fame.

The “giant” demon child born of women is not the only type of custom angel-human possible and we have plenty of “men of fame” today of which some are demon children.

(John 8:44) you are from your father the Devil…

The point being people read a lot of extra “information” into scriptures which is fine because some things become more and more obvious that way, but with an absolute statement implying Satan can’t make it past the stratosphere of Earth is a bit of an over-assumption.

(Job 1:7) 7 Then Jehovah said to Satan: “Where do you come from?” At that Satan answered Jehovah and said: “From roving about in the earth and from WALKING ABOUT in it.”

And that was after the flood.


He has nearly full reign until he is arrested:

(Revelation 20:1-3) . . .And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven with the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand. 2 And he seized the dragon, the original serpent, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3 And he hurled him into the abyss and shut [it] and sealed [it] over him, that he might not mislead the nations anymore…

And that may be “Tartarus” if we want to speculate but demons have probably been limited to some degree, yet it is possible they can eevn still materialize but merely changed their strategy after the flood and even if they did materialize as men or wolves humans could not detect them anyways. It may just be time for a new wife or wives.

(Jude 6) And the angels that did not keep their original position but forsook their own proper dwelling place he has reserved with eternal bonds under dense darkness for the judgment of the great day.

But we know as with Satan showing up late for the birth of Christ assassination attempt, they are in spiritual blackness as far as predicting God’s moves. THAT we KNOW.

The rest is open for speculation, the Bible is a little vague on the details of the exact state of Satanic and demon powers.

(1 Peter 5:8) 8 Keep YOUR senses, be watchful. YOUR adversary, the Devil, WALKS ABOUT like a roaring lion, seeking to devour. . .

Lions only roar when they have the enemy or prey in range if they use that technique to petrify them for that couple seconds, other times they pounce from camouflaged places. Satan is silent and stealth in the meantime, he is not going to alarm anyone of his presence. He now walks the halls of Bethel.

(Zechariah 3:1-2) And he proceeded to show me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of Jehovah, and Satan standing at his right hand in order to resist him. 2 Then [the angel of] Jehovah said to Satan: “Jehovah rebuke you, O Satan, yes, Jehovah rebuke you, he who is choosing Jerusalem! Is this one not a log snatched out of the fire?”

(2 Thessalonians 2:9) But the lawless [GB] presence is according to the operation of Satan…

And he is required the final form of Satanic power from God for the grand finale attempt to preserve world government “congregation of nations” (Rev16:13-16) and stay out of that abyss:

(Ezekiel 38:7) Be ready, and let there be preparation on your part, you with all your congregation, those congregated alongside you, and you must become their guard.

In time the world will see Satan and the Christ and all their armies as clear as the sun in the sky, they must manifest for the sheep sweep and the end of the Armageddon global situation defined by world government 100% global weapons system control. Satan plans on putting up a big fight to stay free, and Ezekiel 38:7 states God REQUIRES he put up a big “guarding” fight.

But he loses.

IT will be far worse than the world war that preceded that final presentation in Revelation 13:3 parallel Revelation 17:8-13. It will be the “four winds” final phase of this conflict and Satan has to manifest and will probably so some of it for the Fake Christ effect.

But this star is coming to clean them all out:

(Numbers 24:17) 17 I shall see him, but not now; I shall behold him, but not near. A star will certainly step forth out of Jacob, And a scepter will indeed rise out of Israel. And he will certainly break apart the temples of Mo´ab’s [head] And the cranium of all the sons of tumult of war.

What was the VERY FIRST promise Christ stated publicly when he came to the temple after God’s voice stated the Christ approval again? This:

(John 12:31) NOW there is a judging of this world; NOW the ruler of this world will be cast out.


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some scriptural proof this will be his third coming….is this the king>>>> who is who was who is to come,the almighty rev1:8

1914 is just a warm up, it was a heavenly arrival of Rev4-5. The “second coming” is when he secures all sheep globally then conquers the enemy world government system.

Because of the sheep saving first priority it may employ a “parousia” “with the clouds” invisible mode as sheep are the only ones who see him to separate them out of the battle zone before Christ goes full blast “with power and great glory” mode of Rev19:11.

Some sheep are anointed and that “gathering” is first and when Rev14:1-5 state is reached in its Rev7:1-8 parallel, the Messianic Kingdom and Temple “body” and “Bride” “body” is then complete and then Christ can be crowned King of kings and King-Priest in final form, the earth sheep are then fully gathered too as Rev14:14-16 and Matt25:31-40 “sheep” portion. (That is why BTG downfall then occurs, you know, to free up some last religious-prisoner sheep as per Rev14:6-8)

When the sheep are all secure, the Christ goes into FULL BLAST universal conqueror mode, and no one will miss that full manifestation because there will be God and a 1000 BILLION angels of Christ in on it too boot.

That will be impossible to not notice.


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The same could be said of the founders of wtbts. Their writings would be viewed as apostasy now. What organization can be trusted now that has condemned the very foundation that it was built on?[/QUOTE]

The GB are loosening the foundation of truth as far as JW basics, but the big basics. The kind where one thing leads to another and another and before you know it it is ruined totally.

But God will Destroyer jackhammer the GB, they can only get as far as 2Thess2:11-12 allowance, which God permits to see who [among JWs] love the Truth and who has fallen for “the lie” now being promoted by the GB as the “operation of error” locus over a “1/3” of the JW ministry (Rev8:12). The GB Tyranny has literally affected over 33% of the whole IBSA-JW ministry timeline as per Revelation 8:12, the GB is Revelation 8:10-11.

The “governing body” concept is initially the “error”, 1944-1976 [1], then it turns to the “operation of error” 1976-today, and along that route, say UN NGO big Matt24:15 marker, they are now the FULL BLOWN LIE.

But as per Daniel 11:32a they are SMOOTH WORD EXPERTS, and they use those words to acidify JWs and their basic truths.

(Daniel 11:32a) And those who are acting wickedly against [the] covenant, [King North Globalists] will lead into apostasy by means of smooth words.

But in time they fail:

(Daniel 11:32b) But as regards the people who are knowing their God, they will prevail and act effectively.

But at this time JWs are “acting wickedly against [the] covenant” because now the GB have UN NGO dragged everyone into it, and the UN NGO is very severe but not the only form of public “lawlessness” the GB “man of lawlessness” “body” culture.


The Governing Body Experiment—1944 to Present

1944 Governing Body Birthday—1914-1976 Third WTBTS Board of Directors Coup Finally Realized


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There are zero holes. Give ONE example. [/QUOTE]

Well the official “gentile” record is one example.

(Daniel 7:25) . . .And he will intend to change times and law. . .

He INTENDS to change times, but God will not permit a deception as grand as you claim merely concocted for your own personal “I am Christ” ridiculous blasphemy.

God allows the record to VINDICATE the Jehovah’s witnesses first round of prophecy for an affirmed global warning.

Even the current JW 607 basis of Jerusalem destruction, a non-gentile time assumption btw, will be rectified to fit the 607 King of Babylon crown-prince event, at the least.

The GENTILE times have to be based on GENTILE chronology; Jerusalem intrigues merely parallel it all.

But the Revelation 11 TWO witnessings X 1260 days “Jerusalem will be tarmple by the nations” when in initial to final warning modes 1914-1918 and the one to come after JW Dan8:13-14, will be on the Revelation 11:2 “holy city” of the identified anointed Christian ministry.

That is 2520 days TOTAL 1260 X 2, that is “time, times and half a time” TWICE for “SEVEN times” and that is the real end. Revelation 11 occurs TWICE, one for each warning witnessing of Jehovah’s witnesses based on affirmed timings, not speculations like yours.

Your ideas will be washed away in time. If you want to avoid that washing away you’ll have to desist from your errors and blasphemies.


How they will apply Daniel 11:41 in a secular legal JW Org set up:

1. Pedophiles first

2. Rackets charges last

Pedophile charges reduce public sympathy for JWs by exposing the shameful criminal activities of the GB. The ARC is NOT some “20/20” episode, this is a report that is made FOR CAESAR, the Queen and Parliaments of Britain, Australia.

Criminal cover up attempts by the GB is brazen ridiculous manner as recorded and publicized by the ARC start to make very powerful legal authorities curious that perhaps, just maybe, pedophiles is but the “tip of the iceberg” in this “Private Judicial System” of JW Org.

Plus, that “private supreme court” is TREASON against the state in a way God does not approve in Romans 13, and it is a competitive unit of control which Caesar claims monopoly of. The “Indian Nations” are allowed by Caesar to do this to a degree, some religious racketeering group is NOT going to be permitted to make their own rules SUPERCEDING well defined laws of Caesar.

Thus as with the charity investigations in the UK, Caesar’s “legal eagle” have indeed started to wonder how and why the GB have amassed a conservative 30 BILLION DOLLAR little fortune, yet help, shelter, clothe and feed no one as a true charity would do on a REGULAR BASIS, not just when the cash cows are left KHless by some typhoon or earthquake.

So, when it is time to attempt to dissolve JW Org, that is when the truly serious charges will fly, and it will be tenderized in public opinion so no one will care if they desolate JW org and try to take it over.


And why will JWs not care or lift a finger to stop this? Because they will be FOOLED to think the end of the JW Org criminal racket, is really “Zion”, and thus it “must be the end of the world everyone! Look no further! It is “hard-hitting judgment message time! It is THE END EVERYONE! We TOLD YA SO!!!!!”

But it is just the Daniel 11:41-43 context of a final global “sword stroke” that in time will “heal” plain as day in Rev13:3, into WILDEBAST COMPLETE WORLD GOVERNMENT.

And before it gets that far JWs will have to ACT, MAKE AMENDS, APOLOGIZE TO ALL, DISCLOSE REALITY, and give the final warning.

Thus the Daniel 11:32a enemy system goal is to stall JWs, delay them and attempt to destroy them even BEFORE JWS know they have a final warning to perform globally. (Rev10:11)

Rackets and Money Laundering charges is how they kick down the JW Org that morning fresh from the global grand juries all over planet Earth who will swoop in for this Zech11 kill.

(Zechariah 11:4-5) . . .“This is what Jehovah my God has said, ‘Shepherd the flock [meant] for the killing, 5 the buyers of which proceed to kill [them] although they are not held guilty. And those who are selling them say: “May Jehovah be blessed, while I shall gain riches.” And their own shepherds do not show any compassion upon them.’

(Hosea 7:1-3) 7 “At the time that I would bring healing to Israel, the error of E′phra‧im is also actually uncovered, and the bad things of Sa‧mar′i‧a; for they have practiced falsehood, and a thief himself comes in; a marauder band actually makes a dash on the outside. 2 And they do not say to their own heart that all their badness I will remember. Now their dealings have surrounded them. In front of my face they have come to be. 3 By their badness they make [the 8th King] king rejoice, and, by their deceptions, princes.

(Nahum 1:10-11) . . .Although they are being interwoven even as thorns and they are drunken as with their wheat beer, they will certainly be devoured like stubble fully dry. 11 Out of you there will actually go forth one who is thinking up against Jehovah what is bad, counseling what is not worth while.


If we count an evening and morning per day we get 1150 days to meet the 2300 “evening and mornings”.

If Daniel 8:26 is a phasing of “evening” darkness first, and “morning” recovery later and we want to keep the 2300 days we get a 1150 day “evening” and a 1150 day “morning”.

Because it results in the “right condition” is related to the “fire of the altar” of Rev8:3-5 and the “fire” of Zechariah 3:2 and other Bible prophecies where “fire” depicts purification context of events.

Imo, this is a 3.19 year, 1150 day, minimum overall first sign as per Hosea 6:1-3 and Isa 37:30-32 and it comes as the “trampling” of the clearly now “wrong condition” of the JW ministry.

Thus it is also a “sign of Jonah” but as years for days in Hosea 6:1-3.

Since it is cryptic, but JW Org is also now “foretelling” their own global siege “soon, very soon” (WT7/15/15) we need to keep UN NGO JW org on Matthew 24:15 radar from a fled distance.

This is because the “disgusting thing” Jesus spoke of in Matthew 24:15 can at this time only be related to Daniel 11:31b and the 1990 3rd UN global presentation after the Cold War, which JWs silenced as Daniel 8:12b.

But JWs did take enough notice to become UN NGO co-publicists for the 3rd UN event main “new world order” mantra. Thus that “disgusting thing” stood up by the GB is also the main “transgression causing desolation” of Daniel 8:13 in explicit note.

It is a desolation now required on the JW Org, btw.

Because it can be a 3.19 year or 6.38 year timing, even 12.7, we have to pay attention to the event that can do any of the following as a start point:

1. JW Org attacked as Daniel 11:41 for the visible cue for the anointed are really the decoration, but the world needs a visible benchmark.

2. JW ministry canceled, may be even in that “bad news” transformation into the false “hard-hitting judgment message” of WT 7/15/15.

Either way we have not yet entered the true catastrophe the GB will eventually finalize their Daniel 11:32a apostasy into. (Zech11)

But Daniel 8:13-14 cleansing judgment has to be preparatory for and precede the final 1260 days warning that must emerge from that judgment, in time, hence Daniel 8:14 verification proof timing of the future.

At the very least JWs have to expose UN 1990 as also a UN prophecy UN1-2-3. But by that time and Revelation 13:3 in the Daniel 11:41-43 global context it is UN4 World Government, UN1-2-3-4, that we will be headed towards.

Obviously, if JWs exposed UN 1 1919 and UN 2 1945, they will have to expose UN 3 1990 and UN 4 as coming world government BEFORE it gets here so people can be warned to avoid its Revelation 13:15-18 international law enforced 666 “one hour” of Revelation 17:8-13.

Then in that “one hour”, the UN can proclaim their COMPLETE world government main mantra: The WORLD PEACE of 1 Thessalonians 5:1-3. (Freedom from care of Daniel 8:25 parallel)

And “peace and security” to precede full world government will be a decoy version to sell the premature doomsday (2Thess2:1-2) with the “sword stroke” global impression of “as though slaughtered to death” prior to world government to bamboozle many.


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A month and year by default creates a day

Jan 2018 by default means something will happen by a certain date
Jan 30th

If nothing happens Everyone will know that you were as clueless as the guy who said
“”Jan 30th 2018 at 11:59pm”

You just gave yourself 30 days to be wrong instead of 1 day


This is not a date forecast. A year can be speculated upon, covered later.

I think in the intro I stated no date is as important as these global event indicators, indicators leading to Christ arrival after world government completes:

1. JW apostasy results in JW Daniel 8:13-14 preparatory judgment, temple judgment meaning. (Dan11:41-43 global context starting up)

2. This emerges in a “sword stroke” such as a world war (Rev13:3) but can include a global system economic dysfunction for the nation-state system as per Daniel 11:42-43. This defines a global “tribulation of those days” to furnish a global distraction and the “sword stroke” problem to be “healed” for the world government solution.

In such a context when Daniel 8:14 has expired into the JW “right condition” the final warning will emerge in the progress of the “sword stroke” of Rev13:3;

3. The world government signal leads in time to BTG deposition and the final “world peace” signal; In that anti-religious melee starting up and progressing the final JW warning is ceased as per Daniel 12:11 parallel Revelation 11:7-10

4. JW final warning ceased.

5. Christ can then arrives after world government completes but must arrive before BTG deposition to render the official judgment for God, hence Revelation 17:14 in the middle of the Rev17:8-18 final sequence into world government and BTG deposition.

By that time of course you and the world will have seen the previous signs over say about 15 years time from JW org downfall. Which when taken as a whole=

Christ Arrival shortly there after, actually in the pre-BTG deposition parousia. But it goes into full revelation come conquest time.

The Daniel 12:11 1290 day period is all open for the salvation of Revelation 14:6-8 to ANYONE who chooses the Messianic Kingdom as their ruler over 8th King King North world government.

Thus we do not need to know the day or hour we know the extent of Genesis 6:3 and Genesis 7:4 in relation to 1914. We can assume Christ arrives on the final pre-arrival Memorial which turns into the thing it has been proclaiming at that time maybe 2000 times, it being 2001st memorial.

But that is not as important as the 1-4 signs that precede it. And it is all gauged by the 7 trumpets and plagues roughly parallel, but the plagues slightly precede a single register.


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Or Luke 10:7 that says “Do not be transferring from house to house” while preaching [/QUOTE]

I think the idea of going house to house works as only under best circumstances do you stay at a house with an active Bible study. BUT the manner it is employed the “neighbors” never got to really know a JW as a person because the GB does the shuffle, you never know what “territory” you may wind up doing.

A smarter approach, had it been real anointed in control since 76 in the GB override rather than actors, is a JW “territory” would be permanent though it could be a group assigned the territory it would be the same people; this way they could all get to know eachother after a few years, and that basis would be more conducive ti=o Bible studies.

But as the downward spiral in JW growth stats PROVE, 1976 was the first plunge and so was 1977, and from that GB incept date you can actually watch the detrimental effect of:

1. The GB Korah’s

2. God’s withdrawn blessing “because if transgression” as per Daniel 8:12

Thus when a JW sees this decline:


They like to interpret that as “shows how close to the end we are”;

When in reality it shows how close to the end of the apostasy we are for it is near 0 growth now and Gid will NOT let such a disastrous GB effect remain perpetually. That 8% loss in 1976 alone then like another -5% in 1977 merely began the downward spiral to 0 JW growth as “governed” by them self-appointed and Babel invented GB viper pit.

You can actually SEE the horrible effect the GB has had on the JW ministry productivity. Had 1975 numbers continued to today, there would be more than 20 million JWs. Thus there was no reason to abort a presidential leadership, it is proven it was working when the GB pulled that 1976 stunt.

The question God can ask JWs now, is “WHERE are my 14 million lost sheep”?

Well they may still be out there but they are not associating with JWs.


[QUOTE who=”Newtonian”]Correction: The Jews began to replant the land in 537 BCE not 607 BCE, which involved the land paying off its Sabbaths for 70 years from 607 BCE to 537 BCE.[/QUOTE]

The sabbaths could have been paid off anytime in the 90 years from first exile to 516 BCE. At initial Jewish liberation land production would be sub optimal, nearly unused. At first exile production was already disrupted as the Jews ahd to prepare for siege.

The problem we have is the “trampling” of the gentile is ON THE KINGSHIP and it started with Josiah killed by gentile Necho. Then Jehoahaz was deposed in 3 months. Then the puppet king Jehoiakim and Jehoiachin were set up and named by gentiles. Necho was deposed in that transferrence to Jehoiakim, he taking Jehoahaz prisoner. Then Zedekiah named such from Mattaniah his God given name by a gentile proves the “trampling” did not have to be physical as if Jeremiah’s warnigns to submit were in vain.

The Jews could have submitted to Neb and still kept the “seven times” meaning because those Josiah to Zedekiah “tramplings” of the natural divine flow of the Kings of David had to be part of the “seven times” wherein the Jerusalem destruction was the last straw in 587. They ignored 20 years of Jeremiah’s valid warnings that could have avoided destruction yet the 70 years on Babylon and Jerusalem would still be countable.

607 BCE is at the least the date of Neb’s crown-prince King of Babylon designate marker that actually marks 607 BCE so the 607-1914 “seven times” span is still good, and we know how the kings had been trampled since Josiah’s death in 609.

This MUST BE a GENTILE timing, first off, it MUST be on Babylon under Neb’s 70 year “seven times” dynasty and it is. Jerusalem’s criteria merely parallels it and Christ’s requirement of Luke 21:24 plays out with Revelation 11:2 “they will trample the [anointed] holy city” 42 months, TWICE, once for each witnessing cycle of 1260 days, 1914-1918 and the future.

These changes will be REQUIRED BY GOD, God is NOT accpeting the Bethel 20 year glitch stumbling block when a perfect explanation existed the whole time. This is NOT a “sugegstion” for Bethel the gatekeepers, it is going to happen from God to aid the final 1260 day warning, with or without Bethel.

Like Israel they got their warning too, could avoid desolation of the JW Org but they will persist in their 2 Thess2:11-12 error. They can repent, but will they?

It Daniel 8:13-14 remains to be seen.

What is KNOWN is Jehovah is no longer going to tolerate Bethel negligence and horrendous global examples of lawless mischief much longer. (Zech3:4-5)

Big events will bring big changes to Jehovah’s witnesses who must be brought back into the “right condition” as a truthful up to date harmonious ministry to meet the Rev10:5-11 final requirements of God. When they do that, the finbal 1260 days and final “trampling” to eventually end depose that FINAL WARNING, can manifest as Revelation 11:7-10 and Daniel 12:11 in final form.

But by then the 144000 sealed is complete by carrying out that mission for this true “remnant”. THEN world government will be Rev11:7 Rev17:8-12 “ascended” and ready for Christ to arrive for sheep-sweep-global and the war for global sovereignty.

The finalwarnign will eb far far more thoroguh than this 1945 dated JW stall of today’s JW “Jonah”, who must go 3.19 years as Daniel 8:14 “EVENING” into the fish of preservation for final warning in those not judged lawless weeds in that 1Pet4:17 initial judgment.

JWs are now in the “WRONG CONDITION”. (Dan 8:13-14)

Jake999: [under fire from the Topix Trolls, Jake prepares a clever response]

Should you pay head tax to Ceasar?

Trolls: Huh?

Jake: Give me a quarter, whose head do you see on this taxable coinage?

Trolls: George Washinton!

Jake: Then by all means, he that has ears shall listen and know Caesar has changed form and so has the “christ”!

Trolls: [The trolls, stunned and amazed at Jakes answer look around perplexed and silent jaws dropped wide open, just like the day they heard, like the day they heard… that daddy didn’t give attention, and the boy was something that mommy wouldn’t wear, King Jeremy the Wicked ruled his world.

Jake spoke at Topix today…]


[QUOTE who=”El Cacique”]<quoted text> This made sense.

“Eternal reset”….Like that phrase.

Ever hear the saying…..”There is no such thing as a rational athiest”

True. Everything points to a creator.


Speaking of Armageddon “reboot” for that eternal reset, the “recreation” “regeneration” of ALL CREATION at Matthew 19:28 in the future under Christ cannot be half vast.

It MUST include EVERYTHING; God never has done partial this and that, he goes ALL THE WAY ALL THE TIME!

It is Ecclesiastes 3:21 logical animals are also in “sheol” as plainly stated by Solomon in that hint scripture when he compared human death to animal death and that they ALL go to the “same place”.

Well we know from Revelation Christ EMPTIES “hades” the “sheol” “same place”, and when he EMPTIES something it means EMPTY it is of anything dead. Thus he also has the key of not just hades to get them back, but also of DEATH itself so nothing has to die any longer.

BOTH are thrown dead empty into the lake of eternal destruction.

It is no stretch of imagination to see the restoration of the animals.

In fact, it will be beyond human imagination:

(1 Corinthians 2:9-10) . . .But just as it is written: “Eye has not seen and ear has not heard, neither have there been conceived in the heart of man the things that God has prepared for those who love him.” 10 For it is to us God has revealed them through his spirit, for the spirit searches into all things, even the deep things of God.


[QUOTE who=”Newtonian”]<quoted text>

It would seem no one actually answered my question or even acknowledged what eye-witness H. G. Wells had to say in his “Outline of History” chapter entitled “the Catastrophe of 1914.”[/QUOTE]

Prophecy explains the overall meaning of human world government “Gentile” conflict with God’s Kingdom “Jerusalem” symbol.

The 1914 world war and Fed central bank and CFR and RIIA is all plainly obvious as engines of what is now total globalization as the basis of that “League of Nations” world government step and that whole GRAVY TRAIN was created and began to be ground with WW1, 1914. It just led to WW2, Cold WW3, and the next final one.

To deny this is just being plain blind as a bat. But at least a bat can “see” at night by what he “hears”, so the bat is ahead of blind humans.

Globalization is the OBVIOUS main “inspired utterance” and global driving primary force of how “they will gather the nations to Har Mageddon” at Rev16:13, in a plainly seen logical globalism ideology and more importantly that GLOBALIZATION went globally rampant after the Cold War when Russian, Chinese and “global socialism” WAS ABANDONED AS AN ECONOMIC DEVICE went 100% “global globalism capitalism” in one fell post 1990 swoop.

To deny THAT is also plainly blind that GLOBALIZATION COMPLETION equates to WORLD GOVERNMENT in ALL FORMS of Rev17:11-18 “power and authority” the nations are NOW giving to the globalists and their globalizing system, aka, King North, the final rival of God’s Kingdom in Daniel 11:45, plain as day globalism based WORLD GOVERNMENT 8TH King parallel EASY TO SEE and ID.

And plainly in Revelation 17:8-18 BTG in Revelation 17:15-18 must go down AFTER all “power and authority” is given to the Scarlet Wildbeast whose total entity is that WORLD GOVERNMENT completion coming with Rev13:3 final “sword stroke” when it all “world peace” resolves for the FOURTH UN TIME!

The question is, as much as we have stated about 1914 and WW1, why is modern Bethel NOT explaining these simple globalization concepts thoroughly as they relate to Revelation 16:13-16 world government prophecy?

WHY have they also “gone blind”?

Why is Bethel covering up the OBVIOUS King North world government truth?

Perhaps Daniel 11:32a?


[QUOTE who=”Erran”]<quoted text>

They wouldn’t go after the org if the policies that are in place were better at dealing with it.[/QUOTE]

The GB is preliminary Daniel 11:41 by Dan11:32a “certain men have slipped in” infiltration.

So, there interest is really to try to destroy JWs and the ministry, JW Org resource base too.

That is why this pedophile policy gag is just aligning the “Rome” forces outside UN NGO proper of Matthew 24:15.

And though the UN NGO is plainly a disgusting thing stood up by the GB in a holy place, to effect a sure judgment (Isa36:10), we have this now in reality too:

(Luke 21:20-22) 20 “FURTHERMORE, when YOU see Jerusalem surrounded by encamped armies, then know that the desolating of her has drawn near. 21 Then let those in Judea begin fleeing to the mountains, and let those in the midst of her withdraw, and let those in the country places not enter into her; 22 because these are days for meting out justice, that all the things written may be fulfilled.

But the pedophile setup is just the prep, in timeall that above will ebcome a lietral legal reality ebcause the GB are criminal and have dragged JWs into way more than just pedophiles. And unlike the Catholic “clergy” accountability for similar abuses, the GB JW system draws in THE WHOLE CONGREGATIONAL STRUCTURE!

The Catholic liability is not near as broad as this JW nightmare. Pedophile investigations gone global allow “bottom up” liability. But money laundering charges, when they eventually come, will allow top down prosecutions.

(1 Peter 4:15-17) . . .However, let none of YOU suffer as a murderer or a child abuser or a racketeer or as a busybody in other people’s matters like that GB. 16 But if [he suffers] as a Christian, let him not feel shame, but let him keep on glorifying God in this name. 17 For it is the appointed time for the judgment to start with the house of God. . .

In spite of Peter’s warnings from God, THAT is exactly what the GB has set up in JWs before the Daniel 8:13-14 temple judgment coming soon.

THAT is NOT good!

[QUOTE who=”El Cacique”]<quoted text>When Christ arrives he will have to arrive it will get so bad. (Matt24:21-22) And when he comes it is to end the misery, to put the system out of its misery while saving a “great crowd”.

( unquote)

On that part. I will partially agree with you. I was once of that understanding. But, i believe it means Jehovah’s people. They will make an all out assault on us and if Christ were not to intervene ” No flesh would be saved”. And thats not to say that the world will have it so great, either while we are being persecuted… There will be terrible times fo all.


I don’t disagrre with Jehovah’s witnesses truths of pophecy. I disagree with the timeline and order of events.

All you said is true. But it is 15 years out, they must run a final “sword stroke” that ehals as per Rev13:3 and present the world government wildbeast which it all “heals” into BEFORE Christ arrives.

As stated, this next “war report” is when Christ CANNOT arrive, plain as day:

(Matthew 24:6) . . .YOU are going to hear of wars and reports of wars; see that YOU are not terrified. For these things must take place, but the end is not yet.

Plain as day it is in a real period of 1Thess5:1-3 globally stated “peace and security” or world government’s “world peace” mantra mode, a time of “NO wars and reports of wars”.

The problem is JWs will now think this next world war is the end, when it cannot be. It has to run the full “Sword stroke” course, and heal into full 8th King world government, THEN Christ arrives.

How long will all that take? We do not know, but we do know a lot longer than JWs are being misled to plan on.

Yes it will all come true, but as per 2Thess2:1-2 it cannot occur as fast as JWs think at this time.


[QUOTE who=”Newtonian”]
So, let us assume Jehovah had no intention to resurrect Lot’s daughters but Jesus chooses to judge them worthy of a second chance – since the judging has now been turned over to Jesus?


Here is the potential problem and it starts with Jesus Christ’s “first resurrection” truth:

(Matthew 22:29-33) . . .In reply Jesus said to them: “YOU are mistaken, because YOU know neither the Scriptures nor the power of God; 30 for in the resurrection neither do men marry nor are women given in marriage, but are as angels in heaven. 31 As regards the resurrection of the dead, did YOU not read what was spoken to YOU by God, saying, 32 ‘I am the God of Abraham and the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob’? He is the God, not of the dead, but of the living.” 33 On hearing [that], the crowds were astounded at his teaching.

See the problem there? AS REGARDS the “resurrection of the dead” shows Jesus was then changing the subject matter to the general resurrection truth at that point.

31 AS REGARDS the resurrection of the dead, did YOU not read what was spoken to YOU by God, saying, 32 ‘I am the God of Abraham and the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob’? He is the God, not of the dead, but of the living.” 33 On hearing [that], the crowds were astounded at his teaching.

And that is why all those earthling symbols in “Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob” are not “like angels in heaven” as will be the first resurrection people.

This means we do not know about marriage for the general resurrection. We only know about he first resurrection where the Bride marries Christ, not each other.


[QUOTE who=”Veritas 69″]<quoted text>


Why don’t you show it from and within the scriptures that Adam and Eves behaviour was the reason for every living thing grows old and die of age.

Hereto the scriptural principle that a son or a daughter shall not suffer from their parents inequity, how does this fit..?[/QUOTE]

It is a life system wherein Satan has the ability to cause death:

(Hebrews 2:14-15) . . .Therefore, since the “young children” are sharers of blood and flesh, he also similarly partook of the same things, that through his death he might bring to nothing the one having the means to cause death, that is, the Devil; 15 and [that] he might emancipate all those who for fear of death were subject to slavery all through their lives.

Christ is an indestructible lifeform:

(Hebrews 7:16) . . .according to the power of an indestructible life. . .

Thus when Satan is “unplugged” from the life system, everything changes. The “inequity” you are speaking of is a legal ramification of a sin. The original sin affects all Adam’s children, that sin is systemic. So, you are comparing apples and oranges.

And Christ does away with death, the whole thing:

(1 Corinthians 15:26) . . .As the last enemy, death is to be brought to nothing.

Revelation says Christ has the “keys of death AND hades”, so death is a far larger “container”, hades is restoration of things that have died in the “same place” as per Ecc3:21. Removing death is more than just restoration.

As far as humans and animals, the cancer is the same, the loss of sight, the arthritis, it is all the same in basic effect and origins. The “aging” is the same. The ailments are all related. You have Genesis 1:26-28 to understand man is on top of a cascading hierarchy. Man has responsibility as did Satan, it is all accountable. When God shows up here to Earth, men will know the sense of accountability, it is there for a reason. Man is not stupid.

You can read Ecclesiastes 3 to know we are in a related state of death, same eventuality, same sheol, same everything. You can read Romans 8, and the other 20 places if you are interested eventually you’ll come across them, and that is why it reads:

(Isaiah 34:16) . . .Search for yourselves in the book of Jehovah . . .

The rest is up to you, it is coming anyways but you could get a head start.


[QUOTE who=”Aneirin”]<quoted text>

And there was me thinking you were the fake.

Glad you put my mind at rest. For a second there I thought Jesus was running the Christian congregation using the same method he used for the Bible Christians.

Good to know he decided to lead his congregation through a lone self-professed prophet posting on Topix.

The Governing Body have spread the message far and wide, all over the world in HUNDREDS of different lands in HUNDREDS of different languages. Under their guidence Jehovah’s Witnesses have become one of the fastest growing religions in the world.

For tht reason I assumed that they would have God’s favor and some rando nutter posting on Topix would be incinerated for attacking the Christian congregation relentlessly.

But you set me straight.


You being set straight comes with Daniel 8:13-14. God is not fooled by “super fine apostles” and none of that GB is Fred Franz caliber by a far shot.

They are FAKES who got control after Knorr and Franz had the ship already moving, the GB is just loafing on the momentum and drones like you are as fooled as any person of the world by a slickster politician.

But soon, you and all JWs have another thing coming. You did not fool God. You couldn’t even fool me, and they did not fool Fred Franz, he just put up with those wiseguys knowing full well Jehovah would get them in the end.

You will battle this war and you will lose this war because I am not a fake like the GB who have misled you into Daniel 11:32a.

But all have opportunity to repent, JWs will be cleansed and recovered as per Daniel 8:13-14, Rev8:1-8, Zech3:1-9.

The purpose is being up to date, truthful, fearless and exposing world government live and real-time, not from 1945.

If not for Fred Franz the GB would have no files to rob and plagiarize like an echo chamber of the past. Isaiah I and II were ROBBED from Fred Franz manuscripts compiled with BTG Has Fallen research.

The GB only plagiarize, they even need “helpers” to produce the 1/10th watered down rations they do fart out.

They ain’t got long. (Dan8:14)


[QUOTE who=”I_know_better_now “]<quoted text>

You think you will attack God’s anointed and have no repercussions? That is foolish thinking. No ones hands are tied here. My faith entail loyalty yours doesn’t know what loyalty is. You follow men you admit it yourself you follow the franz brothers. One of which was dis-fellowshipped for unscriptural behavior. [/QUOTE]

You are loyal to the GB cabal. An anointed can warn other anointed, it is the job description as to WHY we are anointed, chosen for a work in Christ.

I have Christ’s thumbs up and Jehovah’s by more signs and truths than I will relate here, so I just laugh that you think loyalty to MOL is loyalty to Jehovah, and you are schooling me?

School yourself, get a little discernment.

Ray Franz was AXED so you would not have an older Bible expert leading you and telling you TODAY that King North 1990 UN is the globalism based world government Anglo-American EWmpire Elitist camp.

THAT is why they axed Ray, and to put the lid on the 607 BCE Babylon Kinging of Neb marker to adjust that debacle down there correctly, which Ray Franz research would have led to in time.

But now when it ALL comes out it will be the final warning, so it was saved on purpose by God and will come out anyways in time as we get near world government KN 8K.

(Isaiah 48:6-7) You have heard. Behold it all. As for you people, will you not tell [it]? I have made you hear new things from the present time, even THINGS KEPT IN RESERVE, that you have not known. 7 At the present time they must be created, and not from that time, even things that before today you have not heard, that you may not say, ‘Look! I have already known them.’

Because they axed Ray, you only have the GB Darkness now and since 1992. Get it yet?

Them KN GB idiots walked right into Jehovah’s steel bear trap, poor jerks, good riddance. (Isa31:8-9)

They forgot 1914-1918 steel witness Jaw 1 has a future steel witness Jaw 2 to clamp their necks soon as “TWO witnessings”. (Rev11:3)

Poor guys.


[QUOTE who=”I_know_better_now “]<quoted text>

Big jokster.. The attacks are real. You think Jehovah will punish the nations for doing good? No it’s because they conspire to attack his people.. Go read your Bible.. You think this will be a non planned attack? Go read Ezekiel.. I am not the deluded one. [/QUOTE]

Except the Daniel 11:41 attack is MOL son of destruction KN GB intrigues of Zechariah 11.

Ezekiel and Gog is UNDER WORLD GOVERNMENT a number of years after JW Org downfall of Daniel 11:41, 8:13-14.

So the way you are misled you will perceive an inital Daniel 8:11, 11:41 attack JEHOVAH ALLOWS AND REQUIRES (Dan8:13 “trampling”) BECAUSE OF WILDBEAST UN NGO COLLUSION (Dan8:13 “transgression causing desolation” to JW Org), [AS IF] it is that end attack (see 2Thess2:1-2), and by that you will be bamboozled and bunkered for FEMA if you “obey as crazy as it sounds” like a GB Pied Piper bagged JW lemming of Zech11.

You have been duped by the KN GB of Dan11:32a.

Hence the “get the hell out of JW Org NOW” command of Matthew 24:15 and that UN NGO red flag “disgusting thing in a holy place” of Daniel 11:31b.

How much more MOL sign and warning do you need? Do you really need to contemplate this from behind FEMA detention bars to see?


[QUOTE who=”Veritas 69″]<quoted text>


I’m sorry I can’t se any scripture which give anser at the rised questions other than presumptions in question of and that it is Satan which are responsible for that every living thing dies from age.

Was it Satan which took everlasting life away from Adam and Eve and their decedent’s or was it God and where can we read that all living things on earth, other than humans would die from aging.?

<quoted text>[/QUOTE]

We know sin against God causes death. Obedience to God in perfect form equates to everlasting life.

Man affects everything on Earth, he was “in God’s image”. Every detail of how that works was lost when they ate the fruit of “knowledge” having to do with global sovereign decision making power which “knowing good and evil” is the basis of the reason why sovereignty in this temporary form now exists.

So, the knowledge equates to various human replacements for God’s Kingdom sovereignty. Thus the human versions are what Paul called an expression of “and Death ruled as King” when described in such manner for that is the end effect of this kind of human sovereign rebellion from God.

That sovereignty affects all life for it is interconnected no life of human, animal or earth “lives” in isolation from the whole.


[QUOTE who=”ihveit”]ihv actually it makes no difference what they want to believe cause the bible says that THE ANNOINTED OR 144K HAVENT EVEN BEEN SEALED YET

another thing is since the 144k are supposed to be sealed how is it that the rank and file disfellowship one of them? cause it does happen

this 144k thing is so full of holes you could push a kingdom hall thru it

Well you could push the Vatican through the church versions of guessworx. The 144000 is tricky, but JWs have laid out about the best logic so far. The churches are looking for 144000 male modern Israeli virgins.

JWs have IDd the major extenuating connections to the concept of the 144000 far better than any church attempt which cannot even connect two dots on the matter. All you have to do is look at the top 10 Christendom commentaries on Rev7 and Rev14 to see how superficial their attempts are.

But JWs will have BIG PROBLEMS coming up as they try to cross parallel the “tribulation of those days”, GT and them “four winds” as the same event.

The world war “sword stroke” will define the GT initial phase of that “tribulation of those days” which resolves as Rev13:3 says it will into wild beast world government. The “four winds” occurs UNDER world government as the parallel destruction attempts of Dan8:15c and Dan11:44-45, which will suck in the final witness of the TWO witnesses and BTG, in time. The “four winds” is essentially the last phase of the GT.

So, to sell the idea the coming global downturn coming up which will manifest that initial “tribulation of those days” is the “four winds”, Bethel’s Liar GB will tell JWs “the sealing of the 144000 is complete brothers”, which is untrue for a number of provable reasons.

Thus, the final anointed are to be sealed [in affirmation seal] by COMPLETING the second witnessing of the TWO witnesses (Rev10:11 future commission) prior to COMPLETE World government.

But by GB lies (Dan8:12b; Dan11:32a) modern JW anointed do not even yet realize that that final warning is required as per Rev10:5-11 and that that is how the final anointed true “remnant” is to get the sealing, BY MISSION COMPLETION, which occurs BEFORE world government fully arises and deposes that final warning as Rev11:7-10 second cycle.

But in time (Dan8:13-14) they will come to realize all this, complete the warning as per Rev11:2-3, and be sealed as the world heads into world government at which time the “four winds” of world government final depopulation scheduling can proceed. (Matt24:21-22 climax)

Let us see the churches try to wind a forecast with that many dots and accurate projections even in a whole book on this 144000 topic. NO can do.


[QUOTE who=”Newtonian”]<quoted text>

Only Bethel responded to this post – agreeing about WWI.

Anyone else dare to respond to what I posted???


Since you refered to HG Wells statements regarding the first WW cycle of 4 (including the Cold WW# cycle), you may look up the “New World Order” book below [1] and see what HG Wells said about Anglo-American promoted World Government.


“””The New World Order is a book written by H. G. Wells, originally published in January 1940. Wells expressed the idea that a ‘new world order’ should be formed to unite the nations of the world in order to bring peace and end war. The New World Order also advocates a legal system that would protect the Rights of Man. [1] It was republished in 2007 under ISBN 1-59986-727-3.”””

“””There were many people, especially in America, who imagined that “Business” might ultimately unify the world and governments sink into subordination to its network.””””(Dan11:42-43)

“””But many of us are coming to realise that ALL existing governments have to go into the melting pot, we believe that it is a world revolution which is upon us, and that in the great struggle to evoke a Westernised World Socialism, contemporary governments may vanish like straw hats in the rapids of Niagara.””” (Dan2)

“””So it will certainly be with the new world order, if ever it is attained. A growing miscellany of people are saying — it is GETTING ABOUT— that “World Pax is possible”, a World Pax in which men will be both united and free and creative.”””(1Thess5:1-3)

“”In the last resort this is why we must have law, and why Magna Carta and all its kindred documents set out to defeat human nature in defence of the general happiness. Law is essentially an adjustment of that craving to glory over other living things, to the needs of social life, and it is more necessary in a collectivist society than in any other. It is a bargain, it is a social contract, to do as we would be done by and to repress our extravagant egotisms in return for reciprocal concessions. And in the face of these considerations we have advanced about the true nature of the beast we have to deal with, it is plain that the politics of the sane man as we have reasoned them out, must anticipate a strenuous opposition to this primary vital implement for bringing about the new world order.”” (Dan7:25)

“””Nor does it alter the fact that even when the struggle seems to be drifting definitely towards a world social democracy, there may still be very great delays and disappointments before it becomes an efficient and beneficent world system. Countless people, from maharajas to millionaires and from pukkha sahibs to pretty ladies, will hate the new world order, be rendered unhappy by the frustration of their passions and ambitions through its advent and will die protesting against it. When we attempt to estimate its promise we have to bear in mind the distress of a generation or so of malcontents, many of them quite gallant and graceful-looking people.”””(Rev13:15-18)



The New World Order by HG Wells; 1940


[QUOTE who=”sidgi”]<quoted text>

the bible isn’t the only book containing truth. It is the only book that God has endorsed. The other books tend to elevate men, along with God. Just like all of your posts here.

For those who would like to challenge my statements, as to their biblical authenticity, without my having to reprint every one for you, show why what I say isn’t what the bible says. or make a singular challenge and I will address it biblically. The people here supposing to teach others, should already know what the bible says, and shouldn’t have to be led around by the hand, in order to have a discussion.


You are not ready to be led by hand, you are still in crawling mode.

Some of us require MORE than what you can give:

(Hebrews 5:13-6:3) . . .For everyone that partakes of milk is unacquainted with the word of righteousness, for he is a babe. 14 But solid food belongs to mature people, to those who through use have their perceptive powers trained to distinguish both right and wrong. 6 For this reason, now that we have left the primary doctrine about the Christ, let us press on to maturity, not laying a foundation again, namely, repentance from dead works, and faith toward God, 2 the teaching on baptisms and the laying on of the hands, the resurrection of the dead and everlasting judgment. 3 And this we will do, if God indeed permits.

You are still at the overly critical stage:

(1 Corinthians 3:1-3) . . .And so, brothers, I was not able to speak to YOU as to spiritual men, but as to fleshly men, as to babes in Christ. 2 I fed YOU milk, not something to eat, for YOU were not yet strong enough. In fact, neither are YOU strong enough now, 3 for YOU are yet fleshly. For whereas there are jealousy and strife among YOU, are YOU not fleshly and are YOU not walking as men do?

There comes a time to grow up:

(1 Corinthians 13:11) . . .When I was a babe, I used to speak as a babe, to think as a babe, to reason as a babe; but now that I have become a man, I have done away with the [traits] of a babe.

All you do is try to stay in the crib and encourage others to do so, to just stay in mom’s womb 10, 20 months.

This is why the Babysitter GB is also dumbling down JWs to a degree of babe like retardation as JWs [used to be], and even so, still are the most matured form of Christianity on Earth.

In spite of GB APostate trials and lawlessness Jehovah’s witnesses will continue to be the most advanced form of Christianity and God will summarize the whole prophecy by their mouths in the final warning once they have been Daniel 8:14 cleansed to the “right condition” once again.

When you SEE that occur for God will cause it to become, then you can move ahead from your crib.


[QUOTE who=”pcloadletter”]<quoted text>
“LAW ENFORCEMENT should investigate and they do not care about a “two witness” rule, they even consider DNA evidence a “witness”.”


Evidence is considered a “witness” in a court of law, that is conclusive incriminating evidence such as DNA evidence. Got that point from Anonymous Brother.

What it boils down to is Caesar makes the rules for people in regard to secular defined crimes and they do not like it when a “Private Legal System” of some corporation decides to make “laws” that attempt to supersede Caesar defined required legal processes.

That is what will cook Bethel’s goose in time. Caesar wants no competitors and their own “Custom JW Supreme Court”, when it comes to things like child rape and its protection unit among JWs flaunting their own “Supreme Court” is if they are the “Kings of the World”.

But it is JWs who will suffer. (1Pet4:15-16) Because the GB has designed the liability to spread down into the pews. Unlike the Catholic Clergy liability it does not spread to the parishioners. Bethel crimes spread everywhere right into the JW house hold. (Rev8:10-11)

The GB Crimes Effect is much like Leaven, it spreads everywhere.

[QUOTE who=”pcloadletter”]
SO DO ELDERS. Victims and accusers have to go to to police for that, though. Are other churches set up to do criminal investigations??


That is the point. By the GB requiring elders to be private JW police investigators they drag the whole congregational structure into these crimes.

Churches do not do this, so only their clergies end up liable.

JW Precinct is unique, never before as the WHOLE CHURCH been dragged into liability like the GB have done.

THAT is not a good setup, but more is coming in also money laundering charges, in time. But that will stay at the top in liabilities.

Then they can sell this JW Org dissolution and prosecution phase coming as they themselves state, as if “it is really persecution brothers! Help!”. But it will be prosecutions for real criminal activities led by the GB Thugs.


Also, JWs will think way too soon, it is “also the end of the world everyone! YIKES!”

So, JWs will be effectively absolutely useless, they will just “obey the GB Pied Piper as crazy as it may sound” and head for the FEMA processing centers, aka “JW Bunkers”.

This way they can get JWs to carpool to their own internment, IF all goes as obviosuyl well planned beforehand in the JW “theological setup” which is now misarranged into a handy GB “self-fulfilling prophecy” in reality, it is an apostasy prophecy, not the one JWs will be told it is as Daniel 11:44 by the GB, way way way too soon. (2Thess2:1-2)

It’s a setup to trap JWs, clear as day. Hence Matthew 24:15.

IF you value your life you will NOT “obey the org as crazy as it may sound” and abandon all your stuff to the state.

But, if “something” does not prevent this, the next big global event cycle can be used to give “the end” impression as per Rev13:3 and then just herd JWs to prisons as the show up voluntarily by GB Pied Piper commands of the flute strains of this madness.

It will NOT be “the end”, it will be Daniel 8:13-14 though. (Dan11:41-43 global context, btw)


[QUOTE who=”ihveit”]<quoted text>

ihv the 144k think is easy THEY HAVENT BEEN SEALED AS OF TODAY… the bible says so.. bu tjws ignore the facts and eat up the fantasy ..


The sealed ones are as follows:

Judgment 1; Finalized 70 CE Marker: First century to 1914 affirmed anointed are sealed upon final approval of God;

Judgment 2; Marked 1914-1918: 1914+ Second anointed ministry batch approved are affirmed sealed; These were what became the JW ministry from this “first witnessing” of the “TWO witnesses of Revelation 11 and that initial marked 1914-1918 1260 days.

Judgment 3; Coming on JWs Next as Daniel 8:13-14 (Rev8:1-8)

The unsealed anointed batch and new anointed from this FUTURE Temple Judgment forward (1Pet4:17) will be required to carry out the “second witnessing” of the “TWO witnesses” of Revelation 11 whose final 1260 days requirement will complete the 2520 DAYS “seven times” of BOTH these TWO witnessings. (Rev11:1-10; Rev10:5-11)

When completed those true “remnant” final anointed approved will be sealed in final affirmation by God. We are probably below 15,000 anointed by the time this initiates as Matthew 25:1-13 judgment of the “Ten Virgins” as the parallel parable of the Temple Judgment of Daniel 8:13-14.

Those pre-approved in Daniel 8:13-14 will be the ones to come out of this JW centric judgment coming up;

You will KNOW when that judgment hits the JW Org global visible epi-centric benchmark of the prophecy as Daniel 11:41 and Daniel 8:11-13;

Some of it will make CNN in JW Org GLOBAL required downfall “trampling” of Daniel 8:13 in the Daniel 11:41-43 global context for the UN NGO “transgression causing desolation” of Daniel 8:13 as well as many other GB [modern] “Man of Lawlessness” cultured sins among JWs. (Zech3:1-5 parallel, also Mal3:1-5; Eze10; Isa6:6-9)

It should begin as the “tribulation of those days” starts which is NOT the “four winds” the GB will try to say it is.

See below for complete explanation of the difference between the “tribulation of those days” and the “four winds” phase which occurs under complete World Government 8th King; King North of Rev17:8-18; Dan8:25; Dan11:44-45>>>Dan12:11:

Mapping the Christ Arrival AFTER World Government Completes by Prophecy Cross Reference

Christ’s Super Riddle How “World Peace” Signals the Real End, Not “World War”



[QUOTE who=”happyand free”]<quoted text>

My parents started studying when I was 11. I never had a study, and didn’t know about the 1914 doctrine for many years. That is one reason I left, because what I read in Mathew didn’t go with their doctrine in my mind. I am still studying it, and the more I dig up from literature, the more I’m convinced Jesus did not come “invisibly”.[/QUOTE]

The 1914-1918 claims are the truth, ti was just the early warning.

As per Matthew 24:29-31, when this next world war ends into world government and their 1Thess5:1-3 “World Peace everyone!”, Christ arrives for the [Global Sheep Sweep] of Matthew 24:31 FIRST.

See, BEFORE he wipes out world government in an Almighty God backed barrage of a TRILLION angels, he has to come in a “parousia” to sweep out sheep in a seceretive manner, FIRST.

After the sheep are all in the Angel Pen on Earth, then all hell on Earth will sweep world government bye bye.

THEN Christ will manifest in with MASSIVE POWER AND GREAT GLORY in the face of all mankind.

The sheep who make the sweep and pass through the Armageddon War Climax, will glow for a while after the see Christ and that MIGHTY BOATLOAD of a 1000 BILLION Angels, minimum.

Revelation 14:6-8 will be offered all humans with the sheep sweep mode in stealth, but very effective “CONTACT” with Christ’s Mighty Angels.

1914-1918 was Witness 1, what comes after JW org desolations is Witness 2, each 1260 days to complete 2520 days also SEVEN times in that complete Revelation 11 warning.

THAT is why God essentially says this to JWs of the future cleansing after Daniel 8:14 has fully expired:

(Revelation 10:11) . . .And they say to [Jehovah’s witnesses]: “You must prophesy AGAIN with regard to peoples and nations and tongues and many kings.”


[QUOTE who=”Leah”]Trump or no trump. The anglo-american world power is the last government in place before Armageddon. I too suspect Trump to be the catalyst, but either way we all know that the end of times is at hand. We need to focus, not at reviling and judgeing but by coming together and supporting each other and to make our meetings a priority so that we may recieve timely direction from the governing body. For sincere worship please stay away from sites like these and go to JW.org and attend regularly at your local Kingdom Hall. These conversations need to take place in the appropriate environment. True worship does include politics in any form. If you find that is the case then you are in a fraudulent forem. Again please go to JW.ORG or attend your local Kingdom Hall.Do not risk being deceived by amisleading information and advice. This site is not authorized by the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses.[/QUOTE]

Ever hear of world government?

The Anglo-American NATIONAL based world power is number 7, followed by the 8th King which is yet to come.

So the US/UK “government” duo is NOT the last “government” in Bible prophecy because although the Scarlet Wildbeast does not have “8 heads”, the WHOLE SCARLET WILDBEAST symbolizes COMPLETE 8th King WORLD GOVERNMENT.

The 7th King, head, takes a world war based “sword stroke” which many misperceive as “doomsday”, but instead it “heals” the system (Isa41:1) into WORLD GOVERNMENT.

8th King World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and “world peace” stated (1Thess5:1-3; Dan12:11), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

Btw, JWs are political, that is what the UN NGO means, they endorsed the wild beast in 1990 rather than explain what has just been outlined in the above.

Daniel 8:13-14 fully transpires on JWs next, then they are cleansed and recovered for the final warning.


[QUOTE who=”Aneirin”]<quoted text>

…case in point…[/QUOTE]

Non sense. JW lights went out with Fred Franz change of venue=1992. You guys are OUT OF DATE now. Last Revelation 1969, last UN prophecy 1945, errors in Daniel 8 and 11.

My specific task is sending in the “second witnessing” update on the Wings of the Destroyer. It affirms all JW 1914-1918 truths and REPEATS the Revelation 8-11 core for the final cycle and final warning in PERFECT HARMONY!

TWO WITNESSES; I merely tell JWs of the SECOND WITNESSING “prophesy AGAIN” of Revealtion 10:11.


Daniel 8:13-14 comes next on JWs as Revelation 8:1-8.

Then we shall see what is what.


[QUOTE who=”Newtonian”]<quoted text>

Aneirin, you are probably right/correct.

Yes, Aneirin – especially definition # 4.

However, you/we may still not have hit on the definition of generation Jehovah and Jesus have (or will) choose to use to fulfill Matthew 24:34.

I like to point out the merciful definition of “day” which Jehovah used to carry out the death sentence upon Adam and Eve that they would die in the day they ate the forbidden fruit.

Sure, Jehovah could have executed them within that 24 hour day. Or he could have used the definition a year for each day – as in Numbers 14:34; Ezekiel 4:6; Daniel 9:24-27; Daniel 4:16,17.

Or, Jehovah could have used the longer definition of day of the two equations (math) in Psalms 90:4: 1,000 years = a watch during the night – assuming a watch of 3 hours a day would then be 8,000 years.

But, no, Jehovah used a merciful definition of day – the first equation in Psalms 90:4 – 1 day = 1,000 years, repeated in 2 Peter 3:8,9 as to why Jehovah has not brought Armageddon yet – seems slow to the mere human concept of time.

So both Adam and Eve, and all humans who have sinned, all fell short of a life span of 1,000 years (Adam: 930 years).

Truly a merciful definition of “day” in Jehovah’s carrying out the judgment, the death sentence, against Adam and Eve.

And 2 Peter 3:8,9 links this definition of day to why it seems slow to us how long it is taking Armageddon to come.

One might ask, as Jesus foretold – not only which “watch” Jesus would return in – but also if each watch is being considered by Jehovah as 1,000 years?

Of course, we do not believe that.

Then again, it is Jehovah and Jesus – not us – who choose which definition of generation they will use in carrying out the judgment against this wicked world.

Btw – there is in Scripture a MUCH longer definition of generation used – have you noted this? I will post it if you are not aware of it.


Newton, there is nothing special of that use of “generation” in Matthew or Mark or Luke in its other 10 or so occurrences.

In ALL CASES it is the Jerusalem APOSTATE GENERATION with a mix-in of faithful. The APOSTATE GENERATION typified by the GB is what will pass away with the Daniel 8:13-14 final Temple Judgment cycle. (See Matthew24:15, then look up all the other uses of the world “generation” in Matthew and SEE what I am getting at. “Generation” keeps looking for a SIGN, wicked and twisted “generation”, what can be said about “this generation” and so on and on and on.)


[QUOTE who=”Newtonian”]<quoted text>

Yes, Bethel, we agree the League to the UN is the disgusting thing in Mt.24:15 – in part because Babylon the Great is riding her, and in part because it pretends to be mankind’s only hope for peace and security.

It is also the 8th king in Revelation 17:8-11 (see context rev.17:3-11).

And just as the apostle Paul appealed to Caesar – the 6th head of Rev. 17:9,10 – JW’s appeal to the 7th head and the 8th king as well – notably for religious freedom – part of human rights.

The reason we are an NGO is that we do not hold political office or engage in earthly politics – we are an NGO = non-governmental organization.

So was Paul riding the wild beast by appealing to Caesar?

And yes, this is a change of subject – you are posting concerning what came after WWI – not what happened in 1914.

I am not going to keep responding to off thread title posts – please try to stay on thread title.

Thank you in advance.

Of course, if you start a thread on the disgusting thing of Matthew 24:15 – I would be glad to respond there on that subject.


Unfortunately Matthew 24:15 applied in 69 CE as Daniel 9:26. It then applied in 1990 as UN 3.0, Daniel 11:31b, of which the UN NGO is that “disgusting thing standing in a holy place” among JWs.

There is no application to LON, because there was no desolation Jesus was warning of and there was no “disgusting thing” yet present to be “standing in a holy place” anyways, obviously. So, that is your personal teaching I guess.

Secondly, the excuse YOU give for the UN NGO has been concocted on the fly by various JWs, because Bethel never has officially responded to their UN NGO whether when it was in secret since 1991 or when the UN “disassociated” from the WTBTS in 2001 and kicked them out and let it go public; “disassociated”, in their own words due to “reproach on the UN reputation”, paraphrased.

After the UN got 10 years of worship and “new world order” plugs from WT and JWs they fired JWs due to “bad press”.

Bethel never has even tried to repent or “come clean” in public print about the UN NGO, they sent some letters to congregations with a spin is all.

Had th UN not kicked JWs out and blown the whistle it would still be a Bethel dirty secret, but the UN allowed us to apply Matthew 24:15 to that 3rd UN prophecy of Daniel 11:31b, as Jesus said we needed “discernment” because JWs have also swept the UN 1990 prophecy under the rug as well.

This is all NOT good, btw. (Dan11:30b,32a)

JWs are in trouble; heavy “transgression causing desolation” of Daniel 8:13. Now it is time for judgment.


[QUOTE who=”jwtotruth”]Not everyone. Only those who accept Jesus, repent and are washed in his blood, and partake of his symbolic communion meal.

JWs teach the new covenant is for only the 144,000 ‘annointed’ JWs

so that means nearly all JWs are still in their sins and not washed in the blood, are not forgiven, and are not assured of salvation

its really a bad ppace to be.[/QUOTE]

Jesus applies the sacrifice as High Priest. He mediates the new covenant. They are related but NOT the same thing.

The ACTION of Christ perfect sacrifice atones for sin. It also ratified and made active the New Covenant provision, allowing members considered legally sinless by God by virtue of Christ’s sacrifice. It itself is not a “salvation” action, just a legal agreement with Kingdom member designates upon final approval “out of Israel” overall, as a set apart group in Rev7.

Christ’s sacrifice covers humanity, even those who died before the NC. But in the final time, ACTION is required to place faith in Christ to benefit of the living salvation o Rev7:9-17. All others may make the resurrection of the unrighteous, that is how they are still also saved, “the rest are killed with the sword of his mouth”, not tossed into the Lake of Fire at Armageddon;

Romans 2 gives provision for good natured ignorant people; ANYONE who avails themselves of the Revelation 14:6-8 OFFER of Open SLAVTION, will be spared too. BTG downfall udner world government will also shake out some final God’s “my people” for salvation too, that siw hy God frees them from BTG the hard way, BTG downfall of Rev17:13-18.


Remember folks, this is a prophecy NOW active, and that is NOT “Christendom”:

(Daniel 11:32) . . .“And those who are acting wickedly against [the] covenant, KING NORTH
will lead into apostasy by means of smooth words. . . .

Now WHO are the “smooth word” pros up at Bethel? Perahps those ACTIVELY LEAVING the ACTUAL “holy covenant”?

(Daniel 11:30) . . .And KING NORTH will actually go back and hurl denunciations against the holy covenant and act effectively; and KING NORTH will have to go back and will give consideration to those LEAVING the holy covenant.

So, because they are leaving the “holy covenant” this is NOW active. And according to JWs own 1919 truths, Christendom LEFT the “holy covenant” well before even 1919.

That leaves ONLY one group now. MODERN ANOINTED CHRISTIANS, [SOME] among them,cfor the others and more will also be successful here:

(Daniel 11:32) . . .But as regards the people who are knowing their God, they will prevail and act effectively.

One way of acting effectively is to expose the GB as the MODERN “man of lawlessness” “given consideration” for UN NGO by King North, 1990.

How Daniel 11:30b considerate of King North up in Bethel now.


[QUOTE who=”sidgi”]<quoted text>

Hebrews 9:
So that is why he is a mediator of a new covenant, in order that, because a death has occurred for release by ransom from the transgressions under the former covenant, the ones who have been called might receive the promise of the everlasting inheritance. For where there is a covenant, the death of the covenanter needs to be furnished. For a covenant is valid over dead victims, since it is not in force at any time while the covenanter is living

The apostles knew, going into it, that they were forfeiting their life, for their faith in another one.


Paul was speaking of “the one who makes the covenant”, we already know Adamic humans die anyways.

(Hebrews 9:27) . . .And as it is reserved for men to die once for all time, but after this a judgment. . .

The thing about Christ is he could live forever, his death was a sacrificial gift of God and Hebrews is all about the divine-legal and prophetic details of how that ONE DEATH ratified the new covenant.

(Hebrews 9:22) . . .Yes, nearly all things are cleansed with blood according to the Law, and unless blood is poured out no forgiveness takes place.

It could be read as you say too, and yes anointed have to die, but the focus of Hebrews is Jesus Christ and his death which enabled the covenant in the first place.

(Hebrews 9:15) . . .So that is why he is a mediator of a new covenant, in order that, because A DEATH has occurred for [their] release by ransom from the transgressions under the former covenant, the ones who have been called might receive the promise of the everlasting inheritance.

You are speaking of the secondary importance, not the focus of Hebrews 9 which is the DEATH OF JESUS CHRIST to empower the new covenant by BLOOD, HIS BLOOD, not sinful Adamic humans.

[QUOTE who=”Newtonian”]<quoted text>

I suspect assassination by an evil person who believes the lies and deceptions much of the media has spread concerning Trump.

I’m sure glad some actually believe his wife and daughter concerning the claim that Trump mistreats women!

Last night, in the midst of our tornado warning, Dr. Oz interviewed his daughter (I think – or his wife).
[rebroadcast from September]

She clearly said the “narrative” is false and that Trump’s track record for 30 years shows these accusations are false.

Btw – I thought the affection shown during those ball room dances with his wife and family last night was beautiful!


Well I believe we can have opinions of political things without losing sight of why Jesus Christ is King in God’s Kingdom and shall soon be King of kings come 144000 completion time of Rev14, IN THE FUTURE.

So with Donald Trump they are using him to divide the country by accusing him of treason, so it is the “powers that be” who are creating this division among Americans, etc.

Trump could end up becoming the most important presidential pivot point ever, no matter how they may end up using him, he is unique in many ways of broader globalism and financial understanding, and his type of work has been “political” from day one.

He is a globalized CEO, so he can deal with other “politicians” at a level hitherto inaccessible in the “mini-government” Trump has already had in his trans-national enterprise objectives. In essence he can deal with the CEO leevl of REAL national power bypassing their puppet politicians if need be.

All that will matter is how those politicians make their money, from war or from globalism progress in a productive manner.

Post Cold War Russia and China have done far better with global-capitalism-gobalism than socialism, so they would NOT be interested in a world war but in just continuing progress in that productive sense.

But if the US MIC wants a world war, they will mold events to meet the world government goal AFTER that world ar resolves as per Revelation 13:3.

In such a case they can keep or remove Trump; If he has plans of restoring 7th King predominance, then they begin 8th King supporters, will have to sideline him in some manner, and with these guys NOTHING is off the table.

The real “peace and security” occurs as UN World Government completed “world peace” statement after a final sword stroke. Thus any upswing Trump may aid, to result in a premature “peace and security” will be a decoy, it MUST be the “world peace” final sovereign mantra of COMPLETE 8th King “Scarlet Wildbeast” WORLD GOVERNMENT.

That will eventually fulfill 1Thess5:1-3. Christ arrives AFTER world government completes as per prophecy requirement of ALL completions of Rev10:5-11.

In any event regarding Trump:

IT WILL BE VERY EVRY INTERESTING no matter what happens, big changes are coming that cannot be stopped.


UN FULL World Government and World Peace Signal Proofs:

8th King World Peace—Guaranteed

Christ’s Super Riddle How [World Peace] Signals the Real End, Not [World War]

8th King World Government Rise with 7th King Nation State Fall

8th King/King North World Government as Simple as Possible


[QUOTE who=”GreatSouthbay4040″]<quoted text> Not sure. Nor would i truly wish thst on anyone. But, he is stepping on quite a few toes

But, a lot of intell is being gathered on him. What you saw with the Clintons is nothing compared to what you will see with this guy.

Hey…..I look at this this way…..He will be a smashing sucess( Reublicans hold both chambers and the presidency) or an utter failure who goes out in disgrace in one way or another.

It was HE who set up the perimeters. Now, he has to live up to them…… We are on opposite ends.Might send you a link. Its a good read.

Why not post the link so others can read it too?

Well I never would think a Casino Mogul is some angel, he is just better at it than the Clintons who are well known what they have been up to since Mena cocaine stuff for the CIA. That connects to Gary Webb, etc, Iran Contra, etc, but it is now old hat.

As hitman/mafia had Whitey Bulger said to his son “you did not get in trouble for doing bad, you got in trouble because you got caught; next time, do it when no one is looking” [paraphrased], but politicians whether in a political or commercial sense, for it is ALL politics, the “good ones” [so to speak] KNOW the meaning of that Bulger statement.

THAT is probably the only real difference between Trump and the rest of those “global mafia” types.

BUT, I do not know, a man whose family is still fully associated with him, it says he knows how to do something right for only 1 in 100 families are as seemingly tight as that little royalty. I have to respect him for the fact apparently his family respects him. It is actually very difficult for families to “stick together”.

As far as his globalism “political” expertise, he is 10 steps ahead of all those international dorks he has to deal with. HE would be working them, not them him, because he is an international financial EXPERT, national politicians have to keep a financial whiz like that on staff IF they can eevn find one.

Trump IS the globalism finance expert.

People ignorant of these aspects of how the “globalism world” REALLY works, will be prey to any media myth or convenient fact to try to undermine the prez. THEY are the ones who do not understand how the world has changed. In reality, they are the ones playing the treason role at this time, because whether you like them or even hate them, God said “honor the king”, as in repect Romans 13.

It does NOT mean to sweep their known criminal activities under the rug, it means to avoid aiding treason and divisions in a general social sense, and why we avoid politics as far as the level of ignorant passion most people engage in it.

We MUST have opinions of things because we are supposed to be the “light of the world” we do not just play dumb like Bethel and just let it all happen and even now they do not even explain it later, it is all 1945 dated material now.

It is as if they are hired to keep JWs a part of the underinformed ignorant mass. The light at Bethel went out when Fred Franz changed venue, is “light” is now Wormwood lawlessness and purposeful ignorance:

(Revelation 8:10-11) . . .And the third angel blew his trumpet. And a great star burning as a lamp fell from heaven, and it fell upon a third of the rivers and upon the fountains of waters. 11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood. And a third of the waters turned into wormwood, and many of the men died from the waters, because these had been made bitter.


[QUOTE who=”Newtonian”]<quoted text>

I suspect assassination by an evil person who believes the lies and deceptions much of the media has spread concerning Trump.


With Trump’s security, they would need more than a gun. They would need a BIG BOMB or precision energy technology. Now I am NOT wishing this, I just KNOW he has enemies in “8th King” designate “high places” IF he is planning to restore the 7th King vigor.

They proved at WTC they have BIG BOMBS, big precision energy, and more. And NY seems to be the target and where Trump wants to work from. Wall Street moved the main trading data center to New Jersey since 2011. Banks have fled, the KN GB left too.


Maybe they know something about NY that Trump doesn’t.

IF the plan to JFK him, I merely speculate how they may attack the problem with a more than one bird objective “stone”.

Just a speculation it would have to be BIG. They probably won’t get Trump in any rifle scope or pistol sights. His “secret service” is better than the Whitehouse’s. I mean they are the best money can buy, in theory.


[QUOTE who=”sidgi”]<quoted text>

I was wondering what the “somewhere”, that isn’t bible driven, is; that you are supposedly leading to? You sure do use a lot of scripture to try and validate yourself. But, then, that’s what it is; right? It’s all about you.



(Revelation 10:11) . . .And they say to me: “You must prophesy AGAIN with regard to peoples and nations and tongues and many kings.”

After JW Org is judged as Daniel 8:13-14, JWs have another commission to complete, the final open salvation call and final warning finale of Rev11:3.

I am just telling them about it now, for now they think this is impossible, hence why Daniel 8:14 is requierd FIRST.

That is “where” this is going.

Daniel 8:13-14 will validate ITSELF. You will never know my name, it is about the message, the only messenger who is significant is Jesus Christ. PERIOD

See, JWs see the messenger NOT the message, as the GB proves. (John7:24)

Daniel 8:13-14 will prove itself and meet the purpose for which it manifests, in time, Daniel 8:14 duration, phasing and events of the temple judgment of Jehovah’s witnesses.

I just inform JWs beforehand to decrease their recovery delay. Very simple, this will ALL come true because it is ALL a perfect prophecy of GOD HIMSELF, in spite of the imperfect messenger.

You shall see ALL of this happen, and you shall see JWs be REQUIRED BY GOD to also speak the final forecast here in presented to them. The world gets it later, from JW mouths as per Revelation 10:11.

That will ALL prove itself and the prophecy, not me. It is NOT about “me”. It is about the final global indications to manifest to indicate the Christa arrival and to SAY SO GLOBALLY!

It has ALWAYS been about God and Jesus Christ, JWs got GB distracted, but that is to change dramatically, in Dan8:14 time.

You will KNOW when these events begin to manifest on JW proper. (1Pet4:17)


[QUOTE who=”El Cacique”]<quoted text> When i get link. I will post it.



If it was “light” to you in whatever manner it was, it would probably be for others to consider as well was my opinion.

Talking about political transforms is not the same as engaging in human government.

Heck, Brother Rutherford spoke on things as they happened too, in global print and public statements in the US and in London [in their face], he exposed the “new world order” before Alex Jones father was probably even born.

JFR was the FIRST “light” to state this TRUTH about the NWO, as these are things from 1942 print he was speaking in the mid 1920’s in the global Anglo-American capitals or big cities like NY:

Brother JF Rutherford Exposes the “New World Order”:

“”The new world means more than the nations realize. It calls for more than THEY can muster. The bald fact is that they do not want it. For that reason the promised new world of lasting peace, which world shall be what all lovers of right want, should not be confused with the so-called “new order” or “new world order” which is today held up by political and religious dictators as a lure to the people. The righteous new world is the very opposite of that selfish and ambitious human scheme. “”

“”Such scheme seeks realization by harsh, brutal might, by the destruction of millions of lives and peaceful homes, by the forcing of the common people contrary to their conscience and personal free choice, and, for shame! by the co-operation of religion to persuade the subjected peoples that such “new order” is according to the will of Almighty God. Set up by such means and ways and for such purposes, that proposed “order” could never be the expression of the will of a God of truth and justice. It shall never endure, even though backed up by religion. Because it stands in the way of the new world and poses as a counterfeit substitute for it, that “order” shall go down, and its allies with it.”” (The New World; 1942, pg. 10)

pg. 126

“”The “new world order” proposed by scheming men is the “abomination of desolation” which aims to stand in the holy place of God’s kingdom. Both the prophet Daniel and Christ Jesus foretold it as marking the approach of the FINAL END and therefore the time to make all haste and flee to The Theocratic Government under Christ Jesus. (Daniel 11: 31; 12:11; Matthew 24:15-21) “”

“”That attempted “new world order” which is pushed forward in opposition to and as a substitute for God’s new world under “The King of kings and Lord of lords” is the final expression of the antichrist. Do not look for the antichrist to be an individual man or beast. It is that “new order” organization. The antichrist is here, and its appearance marks the “last time” for this world.”” (The New World; 1942, pg. 126)

Thus, both the League of Nations, and the United Nations, were to be fully exposed by true anointed Christian Messianic Kingdom “ambassadors substituting for Christ”.

We just need to get up to date [soon] Rev10:11. Bethel is WAY BEHIND the 8 Ball now.


These “globalist” guys are planning a “world government” and God says they can have one, but for only “ONE HOUR” symbolic as Rev17:12.

They WILL “actually prove succssful” as per Daniel 11:36, all the way to “King North” WORLD GOVERNMENT also 8th King also the WHOLE Daniel 2 “immense image” COMPLETION, also the King Fierce and fianl form of the Daniel 7 4th “beast”.

It ALL CONVERGES into WORLD GOVERNMENT, and it must BEFORE Christ cana nd wil arrive, it is a REQUIREMENT of the divine completions of ALL PROPHECY as sworn, promised and triple oatheed by GOD ALMIGHTY HIMSELF HERE:

(Revelation 10:6-7) . . .he swore: “There will be no delay any longer; 7 but in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to blow his trumpet, the sacred secret of God according to the good news which he declared to his own slaves the prophets is indeed brought to a finish.”

We Kingdom Ambassadors are NOT done yet!

(Revelation 10:11) . . .And they say to [Jehovah’s witnesses]: “You must prophesy AGAIN with regard to peoples and nations and tongues and many kings.”


[QUOTE who=”pcloadletter”]<quoted text>I meant neither Jws or churches are set up to do criminal investigations. Evidence of guilt- found by those that ARE set up to conduct,and tasked legally with conducting that kind of investigation- IS accepted by Jws as a “second witness”. [From my understanding]



The JW predicament is unique as I explained, they managed to drag everyone into this mess unlike the Catholics. Because they made elders Bethel’s “private cops” and “Private private investigators”;

In hindsight, that was a HUGE [and illegal] mistake in foresight.

People are not allowed, or corporations, to empower legal systems which supersede the secular law enforcement system. They can hire park guards and door guards, but not a police investigation-like unit.

I am only explaining why this problem with the JW “legal system” is unique in this manner of dragging all JWs into the criminal activity. This is NOT “obeying God as ruler rather than men”, this is about disobeying Romans 13.


UN 1990 Prophecy? No comment, go UN NGO

GB: No comment

1999 Global NATO?

GB: No comment

2001 WTC event and GWOT?

GB: No comment

2001 UN NGO UN “you’re fired! JWs!”

GB: No comment

2008 Global Credit Crisis?

GB: No comment

2011 Exit of Wall Street to NJ Telex center?

GB: No comment

Rampant Globalization and TPP?

GB: No comment

Stated World Government after a planned final world war by the globalists themselves; public record?

GB: No comment

GB: No comment

GB: No comment

GB: No comment

GB: No comment

THAT is what I hear from the GB. NOTHING NEW!


[QUOTE who=”little lamb”]John 6 [48-51]

[Jesus said ] ” I am the bread of life . Your forefathers ate the manna in the wilderness and yet died , This is the bread that comes down from heaven , so that anyone can eat of it and not die .”

Problem is that by eating bread the watchtower gives , they haven’t come down out of heaven

Pays to go and listen to what Jesus says …and not a false Christ [anointed] watchtower.

“Form a longing for the unadulterated milk belonging to the word , that you may grow to salvation .'[/QUOTE]

The salvation MUST go beyond just Jehovah’s witnesses, and [at this time] they have some deeper issues. BUT, it is not goingt o exclude them either, ANYONE has an opportunity when ti comes to Jesus Christ’s ACTION of sacrifice and example. ANYONE

But God WILL fix key things, in time, in oen fell swoop, because the final announcement of Christ arrival will have telling global developments as plain prophecy to aid the final proclamation. For example, world government MUST complete. (Rev13:3; Rev17:8-12) “One hour” is all it gets, symbolic of the shortest rival rule of ALL world history, even Gen11 Nimrod’s abomination will have lasted longer.

So, JWs should not condemn you, and also you should continue to be an example (as you are, but even with JWs regardless of the org TEMPORARY dilemma, it will be Daniel 8:14’ed) of the broadest salvation appeal Christ is, and will continue to be.

That is also shown in Rev14:6-7 GUARANTEED to manifest from his angels; for he WILL complete his OWN ministry as per Matt10:23 also GUARANTEED and it will go well beyond human to do so, and ANYONE who accepts Rev14:6-7 offer can be saved and as Romans 2 explains even total ignorant people who practice love as a matter of conscience will also be saved.

We can’t get stuck judging each other when we shall all agree as Christ is the one who fixes EVERYTHING especially at arrival, and YES he is coming, and YES he will give in the face fair and full warning beforehand 10000 times more effective than the whole JW and Christendom attempt, it WILL BE MIND BLOWING! (for very good reason, guess who is dropping in?)

Jehovah will fix the JW problems (Dan8:13-14), so be patient and all Christian parties should cease the conflict and work together “EVEN IF one has cause for complaint” when it is doable.( I understand a non-trinity will not agree with a trinityer, vice versa, etc, etc, etc, but we gotta leave it to God in the end and remember what it is we are doing here: Jehovah AND Jesus Christ beacuse God sent him, he did not send God. They are inseparable in will and purpose, forever, period))

The salvation MUST go beyond the JW labels, but we have to appreciate overall Jehovah’s witnesses have furthered Bible understanding and God will iron out the finality as Rev10:5-11 for the final warning, he is doing this on purpose for a grand slam prophecy says it WILL be by oath and promise of GOD ALMIGHTY.

Which means it WILL be successful; (Dan11:32B)


[QUOTE who=”I_know_better_now “]<quoted text>

You can always tell the legitimacy of something by the reactions to it.. If the reaction is odd.. It is fake or corrupt or not real. The thing that will give the Tster away is if he acts like the war on terror is real.. When the real awake people know it was a sham from the beginning. The one major calling card that I have notice with this globalist thing is the ying and the yang scenario.. There always seems to be constant back and forth theater fights in the media.. In real life if a seditious group was fighting a group in power the seditious group would be jailed. But we never see this thus the drama continues.. I do believe that the tster will make the declaration of P & S.. That’s why he is there.. Very diabolical stuff.. There are so many messages being sent out that sometimes it hard to tell what exactly is happening.. Part of the deception game..


A very important Globalist technique openly exposed by researchers is the “Hegellian Dialectic”, because it works.

THEY create the very “problem” for which THEY ALREADY have the “solution” and by use of the “rpoblem” on the people, the people have the exact “reaction” THEY THE GLOBALISTS desire:


THAT exact formula has been demonstrated when they the created WW1 “global problem” to “peace” resolve into the League of Nations “image” of the wildbeast “global solution” wherein the people are so relieved the “problem” WW has ended they warm;y accept the “League” solution, the intended REACTION.

They id that in WW2, and they also did that in Cold WW3; except the dialectic is not seen in prophecy because Bethel did not tell everyone it is Daniel 11:31b as the real GLOBALIST SYSTEM “King North”.

Jehovah has also explained the dialectic very simply so we know the trick they use is that “world war problem” “sword stroke” which resolves “heals” into the “wildbeast solution” and people react by admiring it:

(Revelation 13:3) . . .And I saw one of its heads as though slaughtered to death, but its death-stroke got healed, and all the earth followed the wild beast with admiration.

NOW they MUST use that same “world-war-to-world-government-presentation” sword stroke formula again.

But as in 1990 and 3rd UN the GB will NOT explain this next world war MUST resolve as per Rev13:3 and this dialectic into now complete 8th King King North world government.

It is WW1, WW2, Cold WW3, WW4 future easy to see now, UN1, UN2, UN 3, UN 4.

And this is why the KN GB merely ignored UN 3 in 1990 and will ignore this next one too, as the globalist-GB then sell the world war “sword stroke” to JWs as if “the end” (2Thess2:1-2) rather than explain the simple “Hegelian Dialectic” the globalists used in all these previous world war cycles to culminate in a WW peace resolution into the UN “solution”, this final time it must be Rev17:8-12 world government “one hour” of actual global rule.

This is why JWs are at this time expecting the end way too soon, the world war MUST run into a “healing” to aid the 8th King UN World Government final presentation, first, before Christ arrives as a big global signal.


[QUOTE who=”I_know_better_now “]One must also consider the Bible.. According to the scriptures the beast will hate the harlot and conduct warfare against it.. Is it possibly that the beast is taking on the form of apostates to attack the Org? All in connection to the attack on the harlot? Hmmm.[/QUOTE]

Real apostates are defector anointed, like a GB would represent.

The “apostates” you are referring to, like Robert King and Cedars, are FROM THE WILDBEAST.

But then again, as per Daniel 11:32a, so is the GB.

Of course Satan and the wild beast ARE THE ONLY REAL POWERS of earth and yes, they want to shut up JWs and exterminate the ministry. This is just the calm before Daniel 11:41. (Dan8:13 parallel)

Most JWs do not think Satan is much to worry about though, they like to taunt the Demon roaring Lion by thinking he is not much against them. Many JWs have become “cocksure peculiar to boasting”, not because of faith, but because of getting puffed up with self-righteousness.

The GB is who has crippled and lulled the JW Gazelles into this slow mindset.

Now cometh the Demon Lion. (Hence UN NGO and Matt24:15’s red flags)


The Trump Change Up Curveball Pitch of King North

This is kind of interesting because Trump sort of endorsed the conspiracy theorists when he showed up on Alex Jones. But the Federal Reserve scam is also a 1914 based reality whose secret board I guess qualifies as conspiratorial as they run the government through the Treasure Department, yet they are private globalist bankers, un elected, “non governmental”.

Now since the “911 Truth Movement” Trump became the reluctant icon of that wave of educated dissent, because most of them “conspiracy theorists” come in with 30 or 40 more IQ points than your dumbed down average citizen.

The strange twist is all these Trump protesting “Hillary Propelled Traitors” more media driven than educated driven, are now the big focus, when they are the dumbed down masses the conspiracy theorists pity.

What this does is put the educated dissenters on the way way back burner now, as the Hillary Sore Loser mobs of dumbed down cows are now who “take to the streets” when they wouldn’t be caught dead in a “Occupy” tent.

Had Hillary won then the Conspiracy IQ Driven Mob would have had a new jolt of dissenter energy. Now they are old news for these totally remote control baseless clowns who now run the media ragged.

But in this Trump Social Polarity now you have BOTH camps, IQ Conspiracy Troopers versus Trans-Gender Metro Drones in a social destabilization scenario much worse than it ever has been. And what is ominous is how baseless the fears are when Hillary’s agenda is just as scary as the Trumpster’s.

What you got is a Social Timebomb shaken and now just prime for a good stir. What will stit it? WHo knows.

But the Trump POTUS is a definite “change up” curve ball which psychology aids this very strange instability complex. It is very unique, it has the potential of making Late-Vietnam’s instability look like a PTA meeting.

And incidentally, now Trump can be blamed for all the System Landmines planted by the Fed packing King South sell-outs at Washington selling this place down the river since 1990 which will be now danced upon by the US mass excitations. Just a matter of time, hopefully the mines will eb small, but ti misplaces the blame to the Usual Suspect when the post 1990 King South crazies are who set this up.

And all the time ONLY King North is who benefits no matter which way this goes. They are the gloabl central planners and the EU is also on their lab gurney for similar experiments in social driven madness.

But as Jesus said, these DISORDERS are merely the sign of NOT THE END YET:

(Luke 21:9) . . .Furthermore, when YOU hear of wars and disorders, do not be terrified. For these things must occur first, but the end does not [occur] immediately.”

But JWs do not believe that scripture, they will opt for the GB version of reality which will be sold off in the worst possible conjecture: It is NOW the end brothers! HEAD for the Bunkers!!! HEAD to FEMA in carpools you dummies!

Hence Matthew 24:15 command of Christ to flee a UN NGO standing in a holy place as Daniel 11:31b, also 1990.


[QUOTE who=”I_know_better_now “]<quoted text>

You are backing my point. But Jehovah can keep his people as safe as can be in this environment. No one said it would be easy. [/QUOTE]

Of course it won’t be easy,the worst apostates are in the JW leadership:

1. They conceal King North GLOBALIST identity and ignore their 1990 UN marker of Daniel 11:31b.

2. They instead brought in the UN NGO Wildbeast co-promotions into the JW ministry to define the red flag modern of Matthew 24:15

3. They are working with the KN globalists they cover for to try to trap JWs and they will use the 2Thess2:1-2 fake “the end” to propel JWs into traps if it gets that far, as per WT 7/15/15 agenda, siege, respite, obey obey.

How do the GB know that little siege-respite-obey schedule in such detail when they ahven’t had anything new since Fred Franz died? HOW did they get this extremely detailed “prophecy”?

Because KN globalists are who devised it and the GB is in on the plan; it is what we call a “self-fulfilling prophecy”, a false prophecy designed to trap JWs and provide a “the end” cover for the JW Org desolation global.

I thank God I still respect the holy covenant, the opposite of apostate. (Dan11:30b)


[QUOTE who=”I_know_better_now “]<quoted text>

I take no man’s words as the gospel. Saying I am in apostasy is very presumptuous. Only God knows what our positions are and where we fit in. The tribulation the world is in is shaking up everything. All are making their choices known the more things heat up. I will leave the judging to God. [/QUOTE]

For the near future little hint you can verify the most important thing I can get into your mind is Daniel 11:41 is an “invasion of the Decoration” context, IT is coming next.

The GB will tell you it is Daniel 11:44 which proceeds to the end in the context.

It will NOT be Daniel 11:44 next; that occurs as world government heads into total completion a number of years from now.

THAT little hint above, WILL come true. THEN you may listen more closely. It will eb DANIEL 11:41 and the King South “buy out” of Daniel 11:42-43 by King North as the global context that transpires with the sword stroke.

At this time you can ridicule this now, AT THAT TIME in the above you will NEED this information to help other Jehovah’s witnesses. We cannot just stay down. But JWs will be knocked off their feet, it is Ezekiel 37 final fulfillment because it leads to the final warning producing recovery.

You will see the GB Daniel 11:44 stunt soon. It is FALSE.

Why TWO Witnesses?



[QUOTE who=”I_know_better_now “]<quoted text>

I take no man’s words as the gospel. Saying I am in apostasy is very presumptuous. Only God knows what our positions are and where we fit in. The tribulation the world is in is shaking up everything. All are making their choices known the more things heat up. I will leave the judging to God. [/QUOTE]

For the near future PROOF you can verify the most important thing I can get into people’s mind is Daniel 11:41 is an “invasion of the Decoration” context, IT is coming next.

PROOF: The GB will tell JWs it is Daniel 11:44 which proceeds to the end in the context.

It will NOT be Daniel 11:44 next; that occurs as world government heads into total completion a number of years from now.

THAT PROOF above WILL come true in time, soon. THEN people may listen more closely. It will be DANIEL 11:41 and the NATION_STATE SYSTEM King South “buy out” in Daniel 11:42-43 by GLOBALIST King North as the global context that transpires with the final sword stroke to “healing” process also in Isaiah 41.

At this time people can ridicule this now, AT THAT TIME in the above JWs will NEED this information to help other Jehovah’s witnesses. JWs cannot just stay down. But JWs will be knocked off their feet soon, it is Ezekiel 37 final fulfillment because it leads to the final warning producing recovery.

You will see the GB pull that Daniel 11:44 stunt soon. It is FALSE, it is 2Thess2:1-2 main MOL delusion now infecting JWs setting them up for “obey as crazy as it sounds” directives in that Daniel 11:44 HOAX.

JWs think they are done, but Revelation 10:11 says otherwise:

(Revelation 10:11) . . .And they say to me: “You must prophesy AGAIN with regard to peoples and nations and tongues and many kings.”


Why TWO Witnesses?

Jerusalem WILL BE Trampled by the Nations 2520 DAYS Seven Times Finale

WHY Have JWs Gone so Bad? To Get Your Attention for the Final Warning!


1914-1918 is good, here is why: It was just the 1. “Kingdom of God” aspect of the Christ 2. Messianic Kingdom overall development. As you know in Daniel 2:31-45 there is the “mountain” which represents God’s Kingdom, an eternal thing complete from even the distant past, and there is the “stone cut from the mountain” which is the Kingdom of Christ aka the “Messianic Kingdom” merely BORN in 1914.

TWO “Kingdoms” we NEED to track in time. 1914 and the future.

There are TWO witnesses witnessings because there are TWO Kingdoms in prophecy. [1]

1. 1914-1918 was the 1260 days associated with the God’s Kingdom proclamation aspect, of course ALREADY complete wherein Jesus Christ was crowned TEMPORARY KING of God’s Kingdom in 1914. The first witnessing of the TWO witnesses made the announcement of the coronation of Christ in God’s Kingdom, very important, because it birthed, just “cut out” the “stone” of the Messianic Kingdom.

See what that means? At this time, the Messianic Kingdom is still maturing and it too must be complete in time with all 144000 completion, regardless if that is literal or symbolic number it signifies Rev 7:1-8 and Rev14:1-5 is a COMPLETION REQUIREMENT OF THE FUTURE.

2. Well guess what that second witnessing of the TWO witnesses for 1260 days in the future is?

Yep, you probably guessed it. It is Christ’s Messianic Kingdom “King of kings” Completion to Coronation EVENT which also requires a preceding proclamation TOO, a full open salvation offer and final warning to precede that event. (Rev10:11) “You must prophesy AGAIN!”, the 1260 days grand finale proclamation!

THAT is why 1914-1918 is valid 1260 days, initial warning. It is a “first witnessing” of the TWO witnesses to warm us all up BEFORE the final 1260 days of the future to come after Daniel 8:13-14 transpires on Jehovah’s witnesses and they are temple judgment cleansed and recovered for the Messianic Kingdom Completion and Christ Coronation Finale announcement.

That is why there are TWO “witnesses”, 1260 days each, 3.5 times each, 2520 DAYS complete, SEVEN TIMES complete warning (Rev11:3), and “trampling” (Rev11:2), then Christ arrives into a complete world government to complete the above.

Btw, the final 1260 day warning is how the last anointed get sealed-in-affirmation by Rev10:11 “second witnessing” mission completion (Rev10:5-8) to get to Revelation 7:1-8 reality of the “four winds” GT finale which occurs not with the “sword stroke” (Rev13:3), but after, in full 8th King World Government “one hour” global “world peace” reign. (Isa41 parallel, btw)

That is why Daniel 8:25 says “by peace he will destroy many” (Dan11:44 parallel) and “during a freedom from care he will bring many to ruin”, because world government is doing BOTH things at the same time! And part of the many brought to ruin is that final warning (Rev11:7; Rev13:5-7; Dan12:11 remove final constant feature) and then BTG last. (Dan12:11=Rev11:7-10; Rev17:8-18; Rev14:6-8)

While they are saying world government “world peace” and security (1Thess5:1-3), they are also running their final controlled-destructions agenda. It will be so bad God and Christ MUST “cut short the days or no flesh would be saved” as per Matthew 24:21-22.

The possible world war coming up is just a Matthew 24:6 “sword stroke” event and as Jesus said “when you hear of wars and reports of wars don’t freak out, the end is not yet, it does not occur immediately” (Luke21:9 “wars and disorders”) in such a period, paraphrased. It occurs in the world government world peace phase, while they are also “bringing many to ruin”, AFTER the “sword stroke” as per Revelation 13:3, with the “healing” phase parallel.

Before that occurs the “second witnessing” 1260 days will have made the proclamation of the Christ Messianic Kingdom “stone” Christ Coronation certain event to complete in that final period known, and all these kinds of proofs.

THEN the “stone” will hit the Daniel 2 “immense image” whose total symbolic image totality is World Government in the whole “immense image” “standing” at, basically, “the place that is called in Hebrew, Har-Magedon”. The end of the rival will have arrived. All prophecy converges and culminates into world government completion just BEFORE Christ arrives as a sign all can see and act wisely in regard to to avoid the 666 marking of world government allegiance as international law. (Rev13:15-18; Rev14:9-11)

Yes, in time this will have to have a simplified bare bones version. At this time I have to just type what I am thinking, no time yet to make a thorough final pass to simplify and refine. But, God willing, it will happen.



Why TWO Witnesses?

Jerusalem WILL BE Trampled by the Nations 2520 DAYS Seven Times Finale

WHY Have JWs Gone so Bad? To Get Your Attention for the Final Warning!



Sometimes seeing it laid out helps, so these various graphics illustrate some prophecy timeline features of the final cycle:


This one is the most complete because it goes back to Nimrod as a comprehensive view of the whole “seven times” complex of prophecy which is more extensive than JWs teach and uses the 607 BCE Babylon Daniel 4 benchmark rather than that 607 Jerusalem destruction error:


But when the summary goes global, in time, these final harmonizations are very complete and defensible across all sovereign, temple, kingdom and “seven times” prophecy which actually completes in Revelation final future events.

But you can look through the Photobucket Library and find the [imagename.jpg~original] (note the ~original Photobucket string denoting full size version) to get the fullest size version as these are designed as poster size in that largest resolution version, fully readable, as the reduced sizes do lose some readability.

The full wrap up is here but it is really meant for the most advanced JW prophecy studier, but it has areas anyone can get the gist of:

“Seven Times” Updates Coming—”Appointed Times of the Nations” Reconsidered, Again


I imagine the final warning summary will have the simplest versions as well. And we have time, so this will all get out in time. JWs have to aid it as Rev10:11, but the message must be ANYONE on Earth can observe Rev14:6-7 now, and at that time and be saved. ANYONE.

This is complex but also simple in that world government completion triggers Christ arrival as the simplest message. BUT it is not too simple, nor too complex, it will be Rev10:5-8 COMPLETE and comprehended by “all sorts of men” from the simplest to the most advanced Bible student and or common human, because even some from the rival system could be spared, such as Jonah has proven in principle in his commission.


Just stick at it, when Daniel 8:13-14 proves itself in time, it will keep getting “morning” clearer and clearer as we arrive to the full “day’s” noon. (Dan8:26; Hos6:1-3; Isa31:8-9; Isa37:30-32)


[QUOTE who=”I_know_better_now “]<quoted text>

Actually he is probably the only one who will behave like a real president.


7th King King South Reviving Trumpster

When you have a big problem with a big solution possible and the globalist aligned power to do something there is great potential. Now we cannot know the actual harmony Trump has with the King North plans, but he has the potential of being the greatest US President ever because the potential recovery benefits are enormous the the King South system which is globally affected by American prosperity as the nucleus nation-state system.

And therein lay the danger and the opportunity. As per Isaiah 41:1 “let the nations REGAIN power” to occur before “the judgment” there will be a huge global recovery. But the problem is, as per the Rev13:3 sword stroke “healing” this recovery potential will be more useful AFTER the sword stroke to sell world government wild beast.

The problem King South leader Trump may have is his recovery timing is premature when King North plans Daniel 11:42-43 to pawn King South, THEN form a recovery. This greatest global “healing” recovery of world history would be in prophecy after an effective “sword stroke” “doomsday” scare (Rev13:3), which “doomsday” avoidance empowers the “admiration” of the “world peace potential” of “healing” the “sword stroke”, BUT under King North World Government.

If they think King South Leader Trump is acting prematurely they will prevent his progress at some point to resume the King North plan. If Trump is planning anti-globalist changes as ALL the assassinated US Presidents were doing he will go the same route which with Nixon was an impeachment prevention of his goals. With Andrew Jackson anti-central-bank plans that assassination failed.

But it is the potential Trump has that can make him the most dangerous President ever, but also potentially the most effective the world has ever experienced. Because global resort development is already “political” but with getting stuff done as the goal, rather than milking the masses like most politicians.

Trump is already proven the superior of nation-state politicians who are still living mentally in 1980, whereas Trump is a specially trained internationalist who knows the international trans-national-corporate complex strings to pull to affect his nation-state political inferiors, they are NOT in his league or they too would be billionaires based on productive professionalism, not on being a parasite of their nations through taxes, weapons sales and banking scams.

Trump’s source of wealth is not based on MIC centric activities. THAT is a danger to him because the King North “powers that be’s” bread and butter is grinding the gravy train of war and world war, THAT is what made Rothschilds and Rockefellers billionaires, even corporate complex trillionaires when we add in the central-banking system that has fueled the whole world war system since 1914 being born in the same period just before WW1.

Trump could be threatening to their way of making big wealth, hence Daniel 11:42-43 coming up next to finalize the King South wealth and financial pawning to enable a then required world government based “world government” financial and wealth management sector.

THAT is why Daniel 11:42-43 is the most explicit sovereign prophecy in the Bible, so that when it does fulfill fully in the future many people will plainly be able to understand its meaning and events led to King North world government of Daniel 11:45. Daniel 11:41 is comign next, NOT Daniel 11:44, it is plain as day Daniel 11:42-43 has NOT yet fulfilled. It is the “trump” of the KS nations, but it will be done by King North not Donald Trump as a speculation.


[QUOTE who=”GreatSouthbay4040″]<quoted text> We are getting closer to the end. All thats truly important. All the signs are there.


IF this is the sign, it is not as near as you think:

(Luke 21:9) . . .Furthermore, when YOU hear of wars and disorders, do not be terrified. For these things must occur first, but the end does not [occur] immediately.”

Are you going to observe that advice? Or are you going to get all hyped up with misled JWs and head to the Bunkers for “salvation” as if from the GB Pied Piper hand?

As per 2Thess1:1-2 advice do NOT get all over excited, the end is a ways off, 15 years or so to complete world government and that “world peace” (1Thess5:1-3) is the OPPOSITE of “wars and reports of wars” and that is how you know that is THE END of them.

Your’re welcome, and thank you for considering it.

There was a http://kingnorth.wordpress.com before this where that was a login name but all that material ended up at http://templelijah.wordpress.com. The intent here at JWUpdate was a more generic commentary.

The first blog was http://bibleresearchfile.wordpress.com but it was when I did not know as much and had too much material to update properly so I just put a note on it about the apostasy and moved the blog to a more specific purpose since the apostasy was higher priority.

So bibleresearchfiles has some inaccurate things because the real propehcy timeline of order was not understood as clearly as it is now it being from like 2011.

The real things to me to know JWs have real problems is the UN NGO and then the GB=FDS stunt of the 2Thess2:3-4 public “lifting themselves over everyone” as plain as day. Now the infiltrators have to have done this right in front of JW faces to increase guilt for JWs who just let it happen and clapped happily at that Annual Meeting. To the KN Daniel 11:32a guys, it was a big “inside” joke. But when I saw that stunt, I had to literally leave and observe Matthew 24:15 because I knew what that GB=FDS really means.

But the Christ arrival is of course a massive event. So we can bet our lives God will cause a more thorough warning than JWs have going at this time, but JWs have much truth but it is out-of-date as far a world government exposure, but what is good will be kept and put in the correct order of world events that are prophecy in a “seven trumpet” overall order with the “seven plagues” into which everythign else will register.

For the things true with JWs at this time they are misarranged to form the 2Thess2:1-2 main MOL delusion of the premature end for a JW hoax they can use to smokescreen the JW Org downfall events of Daniel 8:11 and Daniel 11:41. The GB will try to sell that to JWs as if Daniel 11:44, which is very premature too.

So we have enemies about to bamboozle JWs, but it is all also a prophecy of apostasy and subversion in the Daniel 8 and 11:30-35 areas JWs are improperly told USSR=KN and the King Feirce (KFIC) is not IDd as world government parallel of 8th King and KN. They keep the know errors in Daniel 8 and 11 because:

1. It also has the context of the UN NGO and the modern apostasy along with the 3rd UN prophecy and event cover up by the GB.

2. It IDs world government development as KN and KFIC.

3. Daniel 8:13-14 has NOT fulfilled yet, so they misinterpret it to cover it up and that interpretation is very evry weak, so weak they rarely speak of it even to JWs. (Daniel Propehcy book, 1999)

So that is why the GB keeps Daniel 8 stalled.

They also interpret Daniel 8:14 to mean the GB brought the temple into the “right condition” by “Theocracy” aiding “WT Charter adjustments”. So they have implicated that false prophecy to this apostasy development which when the real one comes out in Daniel 8:14 timing, the whole can of apostate GB worms will also be fully unraveled at the same time as part of the final global summary.

In reality the GB “interpretation” is how JWs have been brought into the WRONG CONDITION of Daniel 11:32a, Zech3:1-3!

No matter what happens or what ti may appear as (Rev13:3), just wait for Daniel 8:13-14 to completely run its “evening” and “morning” course from darkness to full light. And know that the JW setup is so severe, the Destroyer Temple Cleansing Angel will HAVE TO be deployed to free it up (Isa31:8-9; Isa66:6; Zech9:8) for the purposes of ensuring the final warning. And when Daniel 8:14 matures to cleansed “right condition” REAL RECOVERY (Rev9 parallel; Eze37) that final 1260 days will manifest the open salvation offer and final warning. And if we note it is a “little scroll” in that the 1260 days is of short duration but fully complete HUGE SCROLL in impact, LITTLE SCROLL in duration.

This is also because a totally TRUTHFUL ministry has to be fast-tracked and Destroyer-pushed through because KN will get stronger and even now would resist the truth even more thoroughly. Had JWs had total truth since 1990, KN would have reacted way worse than just infiltrating as Daniel 8:12 and Daniel 11:30b-32a and the UN NGO is what they stood up among JWs to define Matthew 24:15 and the Daniel 8:13 “transgression causing desolation” as that very UN NGO UN co-promotional JW campaign.


There will have to be a BIG divine judgment for that UN NGO, hence the Matthew 24:15 command of Christ. In addition, JWs have KN ops IN THE HOUSE! This is part of the purpose:

(Isaiah 28:18-19) And your covenant with Death will certainly be dissolved, and that vision of yours with Sheol will not stand. The overflowing flash flood, when it passes through—you must also become for it a trampling place. 19 As often as it passes through, it will take you men away, because morning by morning it will pass through, during the day and during the night; and it must become nothing but a reason for quaking TO MAKE OTHERS UNDERSTAND what has been heard.” (Dan11:41; Dan8:13-14)

(Isaiah 48:6-7) You have heard. Behold it all. As for you people, will you not tell [it]? I have made you hear new things from the present time, even THINGS KEPT IN RESERVE, that you have not known. 7 At the present time they must be created, and not from that time, even things that before today you have not heard, that you may not say, ‘Look! I have already known them.’

(Isaiah 43:18-19) 18 “Do not remember the first things (1914-1919), and to the former things do not turn your consideration. 19 Look! I am doing something new. Now it will spring up. you people will know it, will you not?

(Isaiah 42:9) .The first things (1914-1919)—here they have come, but new things (of the future) I am telling out. Before they begin to spring up, I cause you people to hear [them].

Thank you for giving this your Beroean like full consideration. It will come in useful in time.


[QUOTE who=”I_know_better_now “]I think many here have it backwards painting trump out to be the villain. In all honesty this guy is doing what a real president was supposed to do. That is why they status quo hates him. The cock roach media and prior extremely vile traitorous globalist regime did everything it could to harm the citizenry and their livelihoods. Instilling the Orwellian rule over the people. For anyone to say about a man who is ending that that he is bad certainly does not understand what this land went through the last 8 years and even the other regimes before that.. Well thank God for God’s Kingdom where truth is truth and reality is reality. People have had enough mind warping. [/QUOTE]

That is why like JFK, KN might have put Trump in for a future reason in their advantange. The “might” is what the real purpose is. That KN places presidents is certain, it is an “Electoral College” controlled “election”, that is how they place presidents. As with George Bush Jr., when the electoral went south, they used the Supreme Court to put in their King North puppet.

Now Trump is allowed in by KN, there is no option in that, but if he is not intending to be the KN puppet then they have other plans for him, because restoring the 7th King is not their goal, walking all over the 7th King is what the 8th King will do, but in mostly the financial and gold control aspects of Daniel 11:42-43.

A nations’ original sovereignty is based on their gold basis. Once that goes all KN as per Daniel 11:42-43 in the US and globally, and it will in the future and it will not be public knowledge, they will “rule the world” because gold ownership is the classic basis of sovereign power for everything else is based on the gold, because now fiat systems, even if digital will have the classic “gold backing” even if this final case uses another alchemic process as they did in the 70s when they REMOVED the gold backing of the US Dollar.

THAT is also why Daniel 11:42-43 has yet to fulfill fully and it will be a GLOBALIST SYSTEM “King North”, the Bethel so-called interpretation is plainly in error as it is in Daniel 11:36 and everywhere else. But we can only blame the modern GB for this lack of progress, Fred Franz was interpeting that prophecy at a time it had not yet fulfilled but he did not know that, and the US versus USSR thing had saturated the global atmosphere so his mistake was understandable.

But in 1990 when KN palced UN 3 as Daniel 11:31b, and Bethel was “leaving the holy covenant” as Daniel 11:30b and the UN NGO signified, Fred Franz KNEW who the real King North is as the “two-horned wildbeast” global Anglo-American elites are its core “image of the wild beast” engineers. Fred Franz would have known IMMEDIATELY when the USSR failed (see Dan11:36c), that Daniel 11 needed to be updated for the UN King North reality it is, they even felled the USSR “most fortified stronghold” by financial means and are thus also the “King Fierce” of the Daniel 8:23 first maniefstation of the two in Daniel 8:23-25.

But the GB kept Fred silent, “the Fred is dead”, and he changed venue in 1992. But “The Fred ain’t dead”, he’s just not a human any longer and now he will visit the GB with Destroyer come that Daniel 8:14 time. Time for the pay back from God, for the LIAR GB of Rev2:2 and Rev8:10-11.

Drones here can send the GB that message, and please make sure THEY get it. 3.19 years into the “evening” of the desolation, the GB is “see ya’d, wouldn’t wanna be ya’d” DONE.


[QUOTE who=”GreatSouthbay4040″]

Economic difficulties and malnutrition due to Globalism? No idea what you are speaking of. Our country has already been sold beneath our feet due to outsourcing and China owns quite a bit of our debt. Jehovah will not ever let that happen. Let us not discount what Jehovah says. Prior to the end. People will be “building, eating, drinking and marrying”. In other words? Life as usual. Nothing about starving.

God will require the 7th King, King South downfall, for it “remains a short while” where in Rev17 does NOT specify it goes down in destruction but Daniel 11:42-43 and Rev13:3 tell us how the 7th King FALLS HARD, in the near future. JW Org will topple with the 7th King initial trip, but the GB will sell that to JWs as Daniel 11:44 and “the end brothers! Look NO further! Trust us!”;


With good reason are you blind to starvation you are well fed, and you are blind to globalism effects unless you were being sarcastic, but I doubt that was a well-placed joke. The GB globalists are silent so JWs live in a perpetual 1970 as far a global power prophecy and dynamics of globalism invading the nation-state as per Daniel 11:40.

Well maybe you will listen to an expert on the matter, such the former United States Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy under President Reagan Paul Craig Roberts, then you can understand a little bit of the negative effects of globalism and you won’t sound like you live in a cave in The Dark Side of the Moon Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses:

US On Road To Third World — Paul Craig Roberts


Since the GB have JWs in spiritual starvation, you might use Google for the questions the refuse to anwser about globalism draining the nation-state prior to world government.

The only hope the US has is King South Trumpster, so he probably will not be staying too long in the KN overall US Downfall agenda. KN KNOWS God has given them both the 7th King, King South and the JW Organ UN NGOers. (Isa36:10)

But God has NOT given them all JWs; (Zech3:2; Hos1:4-7; Isa31:8-9)

They will have to burn the hard way on that one, courtesy The Destroyer, The Recovery King of Daniel 8:14, Rev9 and Ezekiel 37 coming on JWs strong.




[QUOTE who=”I_know_better_now “]<quoted text>

The colleges in this in this country are progressive communists.. The media is basically the same, The previous powers the same. Yes the Soros types.. The type trying to sabotage the livelihoods of the people of this land. It’s not really becoming multi-ethnic.. It’s really been an invasion. But that will slowly be reversed now with the new rule. I agree completely Jehovah’s Kingdom will be what we really need.. But it is sure nice to have law and order as opposed to what was happening.. Far from law and order. Let’s be honest the last bunch were criminal. I personally know of a few in the hall who suffered badly because of the economy so much so they died early. It was because they were not able to live a decent life. You do not have to agree I know what I saw. That’s why I am glad to see the horrible people be removed from power. I will not mince words to sound pc. I always say it like it is.. That’s me. Yes the bible speaks of marrying eating drinking.., But it also speaks of a quart of wheat for a Denarius.. and food shortages in one place after another.. So it will not be the same in every place. Peoples circumstances are different according to many factors some age, some location, some politics around them, some prevalent wages and opportunities compared to the cost of living in the area. Etc..

I think Jehovah has caused a break take place in what was happening.. thats my personal view..

Capitalism and “Democracy” were used to pool public resources and labor and let them feel as if they were part of the process to rob everyone blind via the fiat currency system to feed the world government beast along the way.

Even HG Wells in his “The New World Order” book of the 40s explained world government “new world order” would have to be a communistic dictatorship internationalist styled, capitalism and democracy just helped complete the process as they mature in full internationalism.

When the world gets the NWO world government in time, over a “chaos to order” set of final events it helps the basic man start to conclude: I’ll bet that Jesus guy is actually going to show up, SOMEONE needs to put a stop to this NWO thing!

God allowing this to run the full bloody course, swordstroke to healing, again, will bring in more savable people by use of the “furnace of affliction” to get through to the forme softies:

(Isaiah 48:10) . . .Look! I have refined you, but not in [the form of] silver. I have made choice of you in the smelting furnace of affliction.

(Haggai 2:7) . . .“‘And I will rock all the nations, and the desirable things of all the nations must come in; and I will fill this house with glory,’ Jehovah of armies has said.

(Isaiah 19:22) . . .And Jehovah will certainly deal [King South] Egypt a blow. There will be a dealing of a blow and a healing; and they must return to Jehovah, and he must let himself be entreated by them and must heal them.

(Isaiah 41:1) 41 “Attend to me in silence, YOU islands; and let national groups themselves regain power. Let them approach. At that time let them speak. Let us come up close together for the judgment itself.

Listen ONLY to Jehovah in his words of assured prophecy, because his words are right to the point.

(Revelation 13:3) . . .And I saw one of its heads as though slaughtered to death, but its death-stroke got healed, and all the earth followed the wild beast with admiration.

If JWs can accept a UN NGO, they could i timealso admire the wild beast itself. And if Jehovah did nto act in Daniel 8:13-14 on JWs to rescue them and recover them and cleanse them from the filthy GB, that is what would have happened, JWs since UN NGO are on the road to the wild beast admiration.

God will cause a crash to prevent JWs from blindly waltzing into the jaws of the wildbeast with smooches and accolades for the UN NGO as proof.

(Daniel 8:13) ….the [JW] transgression causing desolation=UN NGO=Matt24:15


[QUOTE who=”I_know_better_now “]<quoted text>

Jehovah’s really in charge.. If he wants a break there will be a break.. It’s all in HIS control.[/QUOTE]

But he still lets the enemy make moves. Further into his trap.

They may issue the FAKE “peace and security”, because KN knows what generic Christians and JWs are looking for, then they can provide the catastrophic “sword stroke” to make them think the “death stroke” must be “doomsday”.

It is just Revelation 13:3 in the Daniel 11:41-43 context.

KN is playing generic Christians and JWs like a fiddle.

In time God will beat KN down just a little like a war drum of Destroyer.

(Isaiah 31:8-9) And the Assyrian must fall by the sword, not [that of] a man; and a sword, not [that of] earthling man, will devour him. And he must flee because of the sword, and his own young men will come to be for forced labor itself. 9 And his own crag will pass away out of sheer fright, and because of the signal his princes must be terrified,” is the utterance of Jehovah, whose light is in Zion and whose furnace is in Jerusalem.

BUT to deliver JWs for future final warning purposes, Keymaster Destroyer WILL have to kick KN in the crotch very hard, enough to get their foot off the lid of the Revelation 9 Abyss to let JWs out to the Daniel 8:14 “morning” light of full comprehension of the prophecy.

God will NOT accept the GB retarded and deluded JWs of today. SOMETHING BIG has to change the JW course.


(Isaiah 31:8-9) And the Assyrian must fall by the sword, not [that of] a man; and a sword, not [that of] earthling man, will devour him. And he must flee because of the sword, and his own young men will come to be for forced labor itself. 9 And his own…


…crag will pass away out of sheer fright, and because of the signal his princes must be terrified,” is the utterance of Jehovah, whose light is in Zion and whose furnace is in Jerusalem.

When Destroyer gets done with the GB furnace job, them intel rats are going to scram of their own pissed-panties volition. That is, those who are left alive to take the news back to Globalist “Sennacherib”.

And they will NOT be slithering back into JW Land:

(Zechariah 9:8) . . .And I will encamp as an outpost for my house, so that there will be no one passing through and no one returning; and there will no more pass through them a taskmaster, for now I have seen [it] with my eyes.

The “campers” are them “deep place” Destroyer Angels of Zechariah 1. And KN intel can expect more mischief in their own houses after this, because now they invited Destroyer into their lives just as the trespassed into his place, so he will cause mischief in their place.

Wheels popping off cars, walkign in front of buses and trains, minds driven crazy, losses of things loved, frustrated plans, back-stabbers here and there, that kind of stuff.

They gave him the invite, and he WILL take it.

THIS is no joke.


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Which one do you consider as the worst tribulation in the history of mankind, ww1 or ww2..?


Well, you have to do the deaths per world population I would imagine. I have not calculated which was worse. The Black Death was worse as far as ratio of death in Europe. But as world wars are unique since 1914, the principle applies for other reasons in prophecy too.

I have no opinion without researching it. Because of Hiroshima I lean to a WW2 being worse because it opened up the “nuclear war” mental tribulation to all people of Earth.

The WWs were both limited in extent, but tribulations to anyone in reach, no doubt.

As a magnitude without qualifiers Vietnam dropped more bomb tonnage than both WW1 and WW2 combined.

The next WW will be the most globally comprehensive. And it has a “religious war” socio-religious aspect absent in WW1, WW2, and Cold WW3.

The “World War” “on Terror” was the first step into it, btw. They just called it the “Global War” “on Terror” so the masses would not catch on it is a stated world war as well. Just the prep phase though.


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Great argument since it is stated in the Bible that we don’t have to worry about apostates. We should just talk to them wherever we find them ay.[/QUOTE]

Misled people on Forums ARE NOT real apostates. Global supposed-Christian-anointed ministerial leaders who “leave the holy covenant” as Daniel 11:30b specific 3rd UN 1990 prophecy ARE THE APOSTATES of the UN NGO UNHoly Covenant.

Are these people here defective anointed Christians like that? NOT LIKELY. Just scattered sheep out in a spiritual war zone bamboozled into disgust by GB “fruitage”. They are to be helped, not “shunned” by the evil shepherd command! (Zech11)

Then they are not even apostates to begin with.

FOCUS ON THE GB claimant “holy covenant” APOSTASY, that is the one that triggers the Daniel 8:13-14 ramifications soon.

This place is really just a typical congregation of JWs IF they could actually speak their mind.

It is the Be Candid Congregation of Topix Christians, is all it is.

The GB DESERVES to be “revealed as the man of lawlessness”, they are filthy UN toting swine. And no offense to the Earthly pigs on the animals, this GB are Demonic Possessed SWINE.


Hence Matthew24:15

The GB are globally known UN, which means Satanic.

(Revelation 13:4) . . .And [UN NGO Jehovah’s witnesses] worshiped the dragon because it gave the authority to the wild beast, and they worshiped the wild beast [with their governing body of liars]

SHUN those guys! Geeeeeeeeeeeeez!

WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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That is true …..

It is written ” Without FAITH it is impossible to please God ”


” my righteous one will live by FAITH .”

That definitely is a precious possession within an individual

God has never said ” without being in an organization you can’t please God ‘


My righteous one will live by being in an organization

These guys can sure mix up the gospel .[/QUOTE]

Since Christ died for the WHOLE world, why would God reduce the salvation by the eye of a needle like a religion?

Nope. Religious leaders are who did not have to make it an eye of a needle, they bring it in later, but that is what they do. It becomes like a football team and the Super Bowl, they always have to assign themselves the trophy and everyone else the loser.

So, it is Adamic nature first, then the required “referees” who do try to do this are cut out or die. Charles Russell just considered in generic global “bible students” and said “BEWARE of organization”.

Rutherford said the same thing and “RELIGION is a racket”. Not that post 1944 JW qualifier “false” religion BUT all religion.

In the WTBTS interpretation error they apply to the GB since 1944 (even though there was no GB yet in JWs) and the “Theocratic Organization” to “fulfill” Daniel 8:14 “right condition” they plainly state “since 1944” that “organization” debacle was to be the big focus from 1944 forward, BUT only emphasized from 1971-76 and why? To install the 1976 “Governing Body” thing as the “GBocracy” focus the the supposed “theocratic” “organization”. In reality, no one can blame Russell or JFR, they were anti-organization and anti-religion AND anti-board-of-directors as far as spiritual guidance. VEHEMENTLY!

See, JFR died in 1942. NOW we know why they had to wait for 1944 to pull this garbage and very gradually it was given over since 1944.

And the prophecy states EXACTLY that:

(Daniel 8:12) . . .And an [JW] army itself was GRADUALLY GIVEN OVER [to small horn control], together with the constant [feature] [UN NGOd], >>>because of transgression<<<; and it kept throwing truth to the earth [LIES AND MORE LIES], and it acted and had success.



(Daniel 11:32) . . .“And those [JWS] who are acting wickedly against [the] covenant, [KING NORTH] will lead into apostasy by means of [THROW TRUTH TO THE EARTH] smooth words. . . .


JWs MUST become the real Daniel 8:13-14 judgment for what is the final SIGNAL apostasy of the ages.

THIS is it, now you know why what you see happen to JW Org next has had to happen in the future, tiemd as Daniel 8:13-14 events, because when that 3.19 years “evening” is done, that will strongly verify we are at the first trumpet parallel temple judgment event.

And from there the rest unfolds and eventually JWs have to PIPE UP about it. (Rev10:11)

BUT in a cleansed full disclosure state to expose the MOL GB as well. NO GETTING AROUND IT, it starts the final warning preparatory process to lead to Rev9-11 finale.


[QUOTE who=”Newtonian”]<quoted text>

rsss1 – Romans 5:12 says nothing about animals.

You might want to study the context and cross references to this verse:

Ecclesiastes 3:19-21
19 for there is an outcome* for humans and an outcome for animals; they all have the same outcome.+ As the one dies, so the other dies; and they all have but one spirit.+ So man has no superiority over animals, for everything is futile. 20 All are going to the same place.+ They all come from the dust,+ and they all are returning to the dust.+ 21 Who really knows whether the spirit of humans ascends upward, and whether the spirit of animals descends down to the earth?

Check out the context of Psalms 104:29, 30 as well. Is this account talking about humans only, or animals as well?

Those are questions, btw.[/QUOTE]

Yes it does Newton. Solomon asked such a question like that due to the humans and animal similarities in death; thus perhaps Solomon wondered, just maybe?.

It’s a Yes Yes, and Yes for man and a Yes for animals which can be proven in EXPLICIT Biblical connection.

So Solomon stated from God the have the “same eventuality”, the “same spirit” and the same “one place” (Sheol) to which they “end” up.

And then what is the “eventuality” of man? Death?

No. Because of Jesus Christ’s death by perfect sacrifice and him dying to aid him “gathering all things on earth” he has now changed the “eventuality” of mankind. By extension he has changed the eventuality of the animals too for the have the “same eventuality” and are also in Sheol with humans.

In times past their blood of rams, bulls and lambs even covered for human sins temporarily as they pictured the Christ of God aka the “lamb of God”. They are all given to Christ as gifts from God, so you can bet your life he will be gathering them back. NOTHING is “too good to be true” but to religionists.

(John 6:39) . . .This is the will of him that sent me, that I should lose nothing out of all that he has given me but that I should resurrect it at the last day.

But because some JWs have allowed themselves to be trained by the “stranger’s voice” GB, they still try to deny explicit scriptural proof the “re-creation” MUST include at the least the Edenic animals:

(Matthew 19:28) . . .Jesus said to them: “Truly I say to YOU, In the re-creation, when the Son of man sits down upon his glorious throne, YOU who have followed me will also yourselves sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

So the WHOLE “CREATION” is set free from the “corruption” which is decay of death, NOT moral “corruption” in the meaning of the Greek word:

(Romans 8:18-22) . . .Consequently I reckon that the sufferings of the present season do not amount to anything in comparison with the glory that is going to be revealed in us. 19 For the eager expectation of the creation is waiting for the revealing of the sons of God. 20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not by its own will but through him that subjected it, on the basis of hope 21 that the creation itself also will be set free from enslavement to corruption and have the glorious freedom of the children of God. 22 For we know that all creation keeps on groaning together and being in pain together until now.

Hence why:

(Ezekiel 47:12) . . .Their leafage will not wither. . .


(Ezekiel 47:9) . . .everything will be alive. . .


(Psalm 145:16) . . .You are opening your hand And satisfying the desire of every living thing.

Now what “thing” desires to die?

And thus “the blessing” empowered by Christ to conclude the Abrahamic Reality is:

(Psalm 133:3) . . .It is like the dew of Her′mon That is descending upon the mountains of Zion. For there Jehovah commanded the blessing [to be], [Even] life to time indefinite.

After the GB is deposed by God in Daniel 8:14 a large summary is coming with final pre-Christ arrival truths for the final warning 1260 days “YOU MUST prophecy AGAIN” for Messianic Kingdom maturation proclamation, that Kingdom of CHRIST (Davidic fulfillment) was only “born” in 1914.

TWO Witnesses for TWO Kingdoms: Why 1914-1918 is a Valid Prophecy Period But is NOT the Final 1260 Days Required

(Isaiah 43:18-19) 18 “Do not remember the first things (1914-1919), and to the former things do not turn your consideration. 19 Look! I am doing something new. Now it will spring up. you people will know it, will you not?

(Isaiah 42:9) .The first things (1914-1919)—here they have come, but new things (of the future) I am telling out. Before they begin to spring up, I cause you people to hear [them].

(Isaiah 48:6-7) You have heard. Behold it all. As for you people, will you not tell [it]? I have made you hear new things from the present time, even THINGS KEPT IN RESERVE, that you have not known. 7 At the present time they must be created, and not from that time, even things that before today you have not heard, that you may not say, ‘Look! I have already known them.’

Welcome BACK Lassie and Charlie!!!! LOL


(1 Timothy 6:13) . . .In the sight of God, who preserves ALL THINGS alive. . .


But for most people not just JWs that EXPLICIT DOT 1 TO DOT 2 PROOF OF THE PROMISES OF GOD AS STATED BY >>>HIM<<< will not be enough.

But with JWs they should know better.

IF you can IMAGINE it and it is with God’s will of LIFE it will be BEYOND what you may be thinking:

(1 Corinthians 2:9-10). . .But just as it is written:“Eye has not seen and ear has not heard, neither have there been conceived in the heart of man the things that God has prepared for those who love him.” 10 For it is to us God has revealed them through his spirit, for the spirit searches into all things, even the deep things of God.

In FACT the things just covered are NOTHING compared to what God will do, them animals will also bear their eternal “families of the ground” (Gen12).

(Isaiah 34:16-17). . .Search for yourselves in the book of Jehovah and read out loud: not one has been missing of them; they actually do not fail to have each one her mate, for it is the mouth of Jehovah that has given the command, and it is his spirit that has collected them together. 17 And it is He that has cast for them the lot, and his own hand has apportioned the place to them by the measuring line. To time indefinite they will take possession of it; for generation after generation they will reside in it.

But as stated this you MUST “Search for yourselves in the book of Jehovah” to find. But there are 20 other proofs, not just these.

JWs lack faith so many will doubt of course.

Just to be clear those “not one is missing” and they all have their mates were regarding the seemingly insignificant “jackal”, “nightjar” and “vine snake”:

(Isaiah 34:14-17). . .And haunters of waterless regions must meet up with howling animals, and even the goat-shaped demon will call to its companion. Yes, there the nightjar will certainly take its ease and find for itself a resting-place. 15 There the arrow snake has made its nest and lays [eggs], and it must hatch [them] and gather [them] together under its shadow. Yes, there the gledes must collect themselves together, each one with her mate.

Well they ain’t “insignificant” to the One who “casts the lot” of life and place for them:

16Â Search for yourselves in the book of Jehovah and read out loud: not one has been missing of them; they actually do not fail to have each one her mate, for it is the mouth of Jehovah that has given the command, and it is his spirit that has collected them together. 17Â And it is He that has cast for them the lot, and his own hand has apportioned the place to them by the measuring line. To time indefinite they will take possession of it; for generation after generation they will reside in it.

These things must happen, they are God’s promise from the “MOUTH of Jehovah”.

It is not an option. It is not IF it is WHEN.

You can probably thank one of Solomon’s wives or more than one for the sadness that led to such thinking and questioning.

Ever cried for a good friend in an animal who died?

Well those tears are wiped away too:

(Revelation 21:4). . .And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.”

Animals are not “former things” there, the “DEATH” AND “hades” are BOTH things that “pass away”.

Over Satan’s dead body this shall all occur.(Gen3:15) and that is why the promise was made in Eden and God already knew it all even before it happens.

NO ONE can stop what God shall DO.


Bust is not an option but for Satan’s head.(Num24:17)

(Ezekiel 28:18). . .And I shall make you (Satan) ashes upon the earth before the eyes of all those seeing you.

I’m sure Solomon agreed and why he even wondered on the matter with a question that perplexed him.

But since when is God a “no” to things within the scope of his will?

NEVER, it is YES (God) YES (Christ)

Thus guaranteed.

(Romans 8:31-32). . .What, then, shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who will be against us? 32 He who did not even spare his own Son but delivered him up for us all, why will he not also with him kindly give us all other things?



I’ll answer your first question first and your welcome and thanks a lot for really investigating this matter because you are asking questions many have, and some which not many ask but need a complete clarification which we can do now this advanced in the prophecy maturation to complete; (Rev10:5-8). Then we can get to that “stands before the throne” because it has a separate proof more specific to the “holy city COMING DOWN” to Earth.

(But I’ll do that next, and I’ll make this first question a blog post in a week or so to let your other question I made a post be on top a little bit because they are all great questions and now makes me be more careful when using this Armageddon term, But the “before the throne” is also a good question, and that symbolic “New Jerusalem” “coming down out of heaven” TO EARTH will also make the symbolic but very real “Throne” and “Temple” ALSO “come down” to Earth in ways symbolically described, but in very real ways and meanings of power. I’ll leave that question at that and do a more complete answer later.

BUT it will be explained I think reasonably with Bible obvious meanings in certain words like “Let your Kingdom come”. Come where? Well, to Earth in power and much more. So, that will be the gist of the logic of how the “great crowd” can be “standing before the throne” at that time made “coming down” available to planet Earth, obviously; And not to diverge too much we can also PROVE the “great crowd” of Revelation 19 is at a different period of the prophecy that has to PRECEDE the deliverance of the “great crowd” finalized in the Revelation 19:11-21 “war with the one seated on the white horse” GLOBAL-EVENT)


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I agree , religion is a snare and a racket, and fancy Russel saying ‘ beware of religions ‘

I have more in common with these two blokes then some of them today …[/QUOTE]

The plain truth is when Christ came did he found a “religion”? Did he say join this corporate edifice and send in billions of dollars? Did he start ascribing a diet of gnat straining minutia to drive sheep off? Did he co-publicize the Roman “united nations under Caesar” “pax Romana world order”? Did he go on decreasing like post 1976 JW downward spiral numbers? Did the apostles load up on scandal after another ejecting Barnabus because he had a temporary falling out with Paul and then build a sub-religion to villainize Barnabus “Ray Franz” Heretic poster child and teach the apostles to hate him?


IF it was Christ and the apostles up at Bethel it would be as inviting a place as it was when Christ was around. True he did not take bull nor did he promote it, BUT it would be a WARM AND JOYFUL place KNOWING full well he is scheduled to return and make it wall to wall shore to shore OFFICIAL EVERYWHERE.

Does anyone want to see any semblance of the GB “New JW Order” rule this planet? Have a say on what goes on inside your marriage bed and what you house, yard and wardrobe props look like in their opinon while they bed down with the UN NGO wild beast too boot?

Can that “i know no better” feather in the wind point out ONE thing said here that is in error?

You have modern JWs then…

(Galatians 5:22-24) …On the other hand, the fruitage of the spirit is love, joy, peace, long-suffering, kindness, goodness, faith, 23 mildness, self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Moreover, those who belong to Christ Jesus impaled the flesh together with its passions and desires.

Do we really SEE and FEEL that example from them aloof GB billionaire clowns? Is that REALLY how congregations treat you? ARe JWs not an act of all that now? Is it not STELLAR HYPOCRISY?

Is this really just “apostate talk” of a “opposer of Christ’s kingdom” or is this the truth from a covenanted potential member who WARNS that if you want to get FIRED from the Christ Kingdom Club, DO NOT BE CAUGHT DEAD doing what that GB is proposing!

Are the the men of lawlessness or righteousness? Can’t be both, they are oneor the other.


Thus this is all valid as if Christ was typing this because I KNOW he sees it too:

(Revelation 2:20-23) “‘Nevertheless, I do hold [this] against you, that you tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, and she teaches and misleads my slaves to commit fornication and to eat things sacrificed to idols. 21 And I gave her time to repent, but she is not willing to repent of her fornication. 22 Look! I am about to throw her into a sickbed, and those committing adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of her deeds. 23 And her children I will kill with deadly plague, so that all the congregations will know that I am he who searches the kidneys and hearts, and I will give to you individually according to your deeds.

But JWs have forgotten that is true, and by now with zero word on that UN NGO in repentnce the Temple Inspection is now complete and now it is time to remind JWs by Daniel 8:13-14 temple judgment events that Jesus Christ is “he who searches the kidneys and hearts” and even a sinful man does NOT accept the JW Lukewarm half-vast effort but passion for dishonest cover ups.


Which word above is a LIE? NOT ONE!

If someone cannot DISPROVE THIS such as “me know no better”, then do so.If not, then don’t comment with but more dishonest diversion and cover up damage control for which JWs will be put to shame for later because the “right condition” is to be met by HUGE temple judgment events int he future as all parallels of 1Peter4:15-17 and Daniel 8:13-14 and Zechariah 3:1-5 and Malachi 3:1-5 and Revelation 8:1-8 and Isaiah 6:6-9 and Ezekiel 10.


(Zechariah 3:2) . . .Then [the angel of] Jehovah said to Satan: “Jehovah rebuke you, O Satan, yes, Jehovah rebuke you, he who is choosing Jerusalem! Is this one not a log snatched out of the fire?”

WE Jehovah’s witnesses would be LUCKY to not be left in the coming FIRE. Lucky as in God has another purpose for JWs and it is NOT the 2Thess2:9 “mysterious” GB+KN destruction agenda. (Dan11:32a)

This will all ring true once we JWs taste some “fire of the altar” of Revelation 8:3-5 because the prayers of the holy ones contain these kinds of reports to Jehovah and he has Destroyer and plenty of angels to deal with the fire to CLEANSE Jehovah’s witnesses into that Daniel 8:14 right condition to prepare the “you must prophesy again” of Rev10:11’s future final warnign “second witnessing” of the TWO witnesses to complete 2520 DAYS as the final “seven times” of Revelation 11 and Luke 21:24.


[QUOTE who=”I_know_better_now “]<quoted text>

If someone is directed directly by Jehovah they are not a renegade. If someone takes it upon themselves to rebel they are a renegade. [/QUOTE]

DISPROVE the points and the forecast.

It is IMPOSSIBLE to disprove me, yet you try with vain insults.

So, who really is the renegade here?

I am not “taking it upon myself” it is the prophecy completion of Rev10:5-8 FUTURE requirement and it is the JOB, THE TASK, THE MISSION, THE PURPOSE of a Jehovah’s WITNESS to witness to truth.

The GB renegades have stalled, and YOU know it.

This forecast is what shall blast over the GB stall by Destroyer’s work, not mine, it is the warning of the Temple Judgment of Jehovah’s witnesses final cycle to prepare the final warning in time as Daniel 8:14 gets there over HUGE global events for the JW Org downfall context.

THAT will all come true.

So who really is renegade here from the truth?


And the GB “beyond the thing written” as they took it upon themselves to even stab Ray Franz, Fred Franz and Nathan Knorr and God and Christ in the back are Daniel 11:32a WHY you weave in and out from truth speaker to renegade still trying to decide KNOWING full well the GB ARE LAWLESS and PROPHECY fully explained before you very face.

You best weave over to the truth and be a real Jehovah’s witness, not the JW Org prop puppets we see today who don’t even notice the UN NGO Wild beast standing right in their “Kingdom” Halls (Matt24:15), so lost, so asleep, as to be so blinded by the GB Heroin.

JWs are clueless, you are not helping, and ready for Zechariah 11 “flock meant for the killing”.

But the GB-KN enemy get to eat some Destroyer furnace steel and fire instead. (Hos1:4-7; Dan8:13-14)

You WILLknow when Destroyers boys pass through. (Isa31:8-9; Zech9:8) Don’t be caught aiding the enemy “IN the temple of THE GOD”. (2Thess2:3-4)


The Marines are pretty “organized”. It helps efficiency. It may looked like helter skelter but it is known Crazy Horse was also “organized” with orchestrated waves of “Sundance” type trained warriors and specialized “soldier lodges” which also developed specific tasks.

But in modern times, the real use of the “organization” term was from the UN “United Nations ORGANIZATION” which is now larger than many governments combined and if we extended to CFR RIIA TLC and Bilderberg it is composed of a pantheon of corporatism BIGGER THAN ALL NATIONAL GOVERNMENT COMBINED!


“International Organization” aka “Global Governance” aka “New World Order” aka World Government

“The Charter of the United Nations was signed on 26 June 1945, in San Francisco, at the conclusion of the United Nations Conference on International ORGANIZATION, and came into force on 24 October 1945. The Statute of the International Court of Justice is an integral part of the Charter.”

This way they could discuss world government and yet not really sound like that is what was beign planned by the “international” harmless “organization” terming.

Throw in the later “UN for Organizations” (1968), by first the “Department of Public Information”:

“”The importance of working with and through NGOs as an integral part of United Nations information activities was recognized when the Department of Public Information was first established in 1946. The General Assembly, in its resolution 13 (I), instructed DPI and its branch offices to:

“…actively assist and encourage national information services, educational institutions and other governmental and non-governmental organizations of all kinds interested in spreading information about the United Nations. For this and other purposes, it should operate a fully equipped reference service, brief or supply lecturers, and make available its publications, documentary films, film strips, posters and other exhibits for use by these agencies and organizations.”

In 1968, the Economic and Social Council, by Resolution 1297 (XLIV) of 27 May, called on DPI to associate NGOs, bearing in mind the letter and spirit of its Resolution 1296 (XLIV) of 23 May 1968, which stated that an NGO “…shall undertake to support the work of the United Nations and to promote knowledge of its principles and activities, in accordance with its own aims and purposes and the nature and scope of its competence and activities”.””

That is what is called the “United nations Outreach” Programme overall. And that is so everyone can join the UN too but as part of the “UN System” as it steps from governments, to “organizations”, businesses and institutions to gradually get down to the “individual level” come Rev13:15-18 time as international law of said world government there in Rev13 and 17; THIS in say 15 more years plus-minus:.

(Revelation 13:16) And it puts under compulsion ALL PERSONS, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free and the slaves, that they should give these a mark in their right hand or upon their forehead…

Thus the national to organizational to individual “UN World Government for Everyone!” is what the UN NGO system is, an acclimation” of society to just accept the 666 for it is not “just for national governments” anymore!

WTBTS acted like none of this matters as they too UN NGOd up.

And so the “organization” term is a 666 UN assimilation device to allow the global “crystallization” of EVERYONE into the UN World Government system in time, with nary a peep from UN NGOd Bethel who also play a part now in this whole post 1945 assimilation process so thoroughly and deceptively perfect even JWs see NOTHING wrong with even the UN NGO idea.

And THAT is how the Devil works, he is quite good at what he does, so good even JWs fell victim to this UN NGO device!

Now as you can see the UN DPI>>UN NGO System is part of the “UN System” under the UN Secretariat “Departments and Offices” as described in Wiki, and it itself is no innocent development, and yes these “organizations” do become a part of the “UN System” but as employed by the UN Secretariat “Departments and Offices” which the United nations Department of Public Propaganda is  just one and WTBTS did help spread “UN information” rather than expose UN 1990 as Daniel 11:31b and the UN NGO system for what it REALLY is in global UN assimilation by hook or crook, slow but steady en route to Rev13:15-18.


[QUOTE who=”array”]<quoted text>well where is this huge increase.

Did you view Garrett video of late where he claims their will be no huge increase?

JW want it both ways, huge increase, Is 2

little increase the narrow road. Matt 7:14

when they do now say that the judging of the sheep and goats is NOW during the GT, wow how long did it take for them to work out that simple scripture when other religions knew if for a century.

1974 was like 24% JW growth. Since 1976 the trend is 0 JW growth by 2024. With no “GB” and 74 projection it would have plateaued at 20 – 30 million or gone off the charts literally.

Sothe GB is the “benchmark” which begins the downward spiral as if most everything JWs taught before 1976 was OK and almost everything the GB have done after 76 is KILLING sheep.

But “optimistic” JWs want the “it must be the end” view, when yes, the end of the GB led apostasy.

No wonder Knorr and Fred Franz condemned them at first but had to give in or go the way of Ray but for different reasons. So no Nate and Fred had some private discussion wherein their being booted at around the same time would have been even worse then having wait for 1992 for a total GB coup of even UN alliances.

Nate and Fred had to figure God would get the GB for them, and he will. (Zech3:5) JWs were the ONLY danger to the GB reign of error and Ray Franz threat also worked on keeping dissenting JWs silent, and if vocalOUT without feedback to wondering sheep or they too, would be next.

Soit is a 50 BILLION dollar extortion racket which by 2000 was merely fronted by the GB as 100 other “shadow boards” had already formed to manage the “rich man” fortune.

Now they can crash the Org, tell JWs “it is simply the end of it all!”, and skedaddle with 30 billion liquid loot and give the rest to the national state and fulfill Ezekiel 7:22.

But Christ will also fulfill prophecy because classically he targets the “cave of robbers” FIRST on his list and WTS is the main cavern the rest orbit around with plenty of robbers for Christ to Destroyer whack when he passes through the temple as he always has before.

I guess JWs thought God would do a foundational inspect in 1918ish times, but would just accept the pre-completion sight unseen. WRONG, of course, God will do a FINAL inspection and things are looking “befouled” in the JW “Temple arrangement”. (Zech3:3)

It AIN’T looking too good at this time. (Zech3:1-3 needs to become Dan8:14, in time)


little lamb wrote:
<quoted text>

A politician is a human being

And scripture tells us we don’t have a fight against flesh and blood

We are also told to pray for the authorities and for the peace of our land , for in its peace is our peace .

Even though I pray for Gods Kingdom to come , I pray that God gives those he has placed in authority , the wisdom to make proper decisions for his people .
But now it is a different time:

(Isaiah 19:11-12) 11 The princes of Zoan are indeed foolish. As regards the wise ones of Pharaoh’s counselors,[their] counsel is something unreasonable. How will you men say to Pharaoh:“I am the son of wise ones, the son of kings of ancient time”? 12 Where, then, are they—the wise men of yours—that they may now tell you and that they may know what Jehovah of armies has counseled concerning Egypt?

And the counsel is national-governments KS are pawned as “Egypt” symbol:

(Daniel 11:42-43) And he will keep thrusting out his hand against the lands; and as regards the land of Egypt, she will not prove to be an escapee. 43Â And he will actually rule over the hidden treasures of the gold and the silver and over all the desirable things of Egypt.

Heck, might as well invade JW land too to kick it all off:

(Daniel 11:41). . .He will also actually enter into the land of the Decoration, and there will be many [PEOPLE] that will be made to stumble.. . .

THAT is what is coming for “Egypt” “old world order”national governmental global pantheon of “counselors”.

The steps to King North world government 8th King is what it will be, and JWs will be down for the Daniel 8:14 count, too boot.


Erran wrote:
<quoted text>

There is no preaching here. It’s all argument and debate. I have yet to see anyone not just trying to illicit a negative response. It’s kind of like swimming with sharks after horribly juggling razorblades.

No such thing. There is ALWAYS preaching were real Christians are impelled by the holy spirit. But you can’t tell who is who really, plus it is God’s judgment anyways.

There is no debate Bethel has JOINED the “United Nations for Organizations”.

Thus there is no question for the “reader with discernment” to now FULLY understand the JW 3rd UN 1990 silence job for prophecy of Daniel 11:31b yet piping up for “new world order” plugs via Bethel UN NGO is this:

(Matthew 24:15-16).“Therefore, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place,(let the reader use discernment,) 16Â then let those in Judea begin fleeing to the mountains.

God is NOT accepting no UN NGO “side line” use of the JW ministry for “UN Public Information” under the UN Secretariat “Departments and Offices” of the “United Nations System” which yes, JWs did indeed “join” as a UN NGO.

WTBTS make JWs A PART of the wild beast system, and as JEHOVAH’S witnesses should understand God did not bring about this ministry to do a “side job” for the UN 1990 “New World Order” Mantra phase after the Daniel 11:29 unique Cold WW3 cycle.

Thus there WILL be a judgment for this “transgression causing desolation” soon to JW Org of Daniel 8:13-14.

Thus REMINDING JWs a temple judgment final cycle is due as Daniel 8:13-14 parallel Revelation 8:1-8 to but START (1Pet4:17) the final prophecy cycle is “preaching” the TRUTH of God’s prophecy.

And if JWs FLEE they can avoid the Daniel 11:32a, Dan11:41 complications of KN and GB.

As ONE PROOF this is true, the GB will tell JWs it is ” Daniel 11:44 activated brothers!”, but IN REALITY it will be the Daniel 11:41-43 activation as the global KS downfall context of Daniel 8:13-14, basically the foursquare first four plagues of Rev16:1-9.

UNfortunately JWs have already forgotten what it was we were preaching about the first Revelation plagues cycle of 1919 forward. So, the JW recovery will be slow, don’t get me wrong, and we have the BIG PROOF in the Daniel 8:14 timing which provides that judgment “evening” and judgment “morning” recovery time for it will be Rev9 come the “morning”.(Dan8:26, Hos6:1-3)

BUT unlike the current Bethel Daniel 8:14 try, this one is true:

(Daniel 8:26). . .“And the thing seen concerning the evening and the morning, which has been said, it is true. And you, for your part, keep secret the vision, because it is yet for many days.”

Them “many days” are over.

ALL of the above will occur with the JW Org downfall and many people can watch some of it on CNN, it will NOT be the end as per 2Thess2:1-2 main delusion among modern JWs.

This will be SO BIG that is why it made Daniel “sick for days” as per Daniel 8:27.

THAT is a valid Christian warning you can SEE happen in the near future with the next global crisis, not immediately I gather, but not too far off either. Hence why many are hearing this now. It IS coming.(Zech3:1-5; Mal3:1-5; Dan8:13-14; Rev8:1-8)

It is the FINAL temple judgment cycle and as usual:

(1 Peter 4:17a). . .For it is the appointed time for the judgment to start with the house of God.


[QUOTE who=”Erran”]<quoted text>

There is no preaching here. It’s all argument and debate. I have yet to see anyone not just trying to illicit a negative response. It’s kind of like swimming with sharks after horribly juggling razorblades.[/QUOTE]

When I went door to door I had these same kind of debates, but about the Bible; such as Trinity stuff, “why no war?”, no hellfrier??? kind of stuff.

These debates here are about GB SCANDALS, not Bible and Kingdom any longer. The GB lawlessness has >>TRANSFORMED<< the very core nature of the JW ministry on the Web at least, to “damage control for the GB cover ups” and it happens more door to door too** (hence Daniel:

(Daniel 8:12) . . .And an army itself was GRADUALLY GIVEN OVER, together with the constant [feature], because of transgression; and it kept throwing truth to the earth, and it acted and had success.

The GB diversions have been very successful at CHANGING the core NATURE of the JW ministry itself. JUST AS Daniel 8:12a said it would, and be successful too boot.

**I observe Matt24:15, NO WAY was I going to field a call door2door and try to make that UN NGO GARBAGE work to please the UN-GB.


I tell theM what it REALLY means.

(Daniel 8:13-14) . . .And I got to hear a certain holy one speaking, and another holy one proceeded to say to the particular one who was speaking: “How long will the vision be of the constant [feature] and of the TRANSGRESSION CAUSING DESOLATION=UNNGO, to make BOTH [the] [JW] holy place and [the] [JW] army things to trample on?” [IN THE NEAR FUTURE!]

14 So he said to me: “Until two thousand three hundred evenings [and] mornings; and [the] holy place will certainly be brought into its right condition.”

It is timed so JWs cannot deny it when it completes, it prepares the final warning “second witness” cycle. Rev8-11 has a final cycle for the 2nd “witness” of them “TWO witnesses”, hence:

(Revelation 10:11) . . .And they say to [Jehovah’s witnesses]: “You must prophesy AGAIN with regard to peoples and nations and tongues and many kings.”

That comes AFTER Daniel 8:13-14 runs its future TIMED course of the temple judgment final cycle.

It is NOT the end yet; (Matt24:6)


[QUOTE who=”BetheljudgmentDan8-14soon”]<quoted text>

How many defector UN NGO anointed true “apostates” are here?

These are scattered sheep, scattered by the GB lawlessness.

Because the truth of the GB would come out in time, they want to hide the needle with plenty of scandal hay and keep JWs from even accidentally getting the Daniel 8:13-14 and Zech3:5 good news about the GB expulsion.


WHO can fulfill this in signal “in the temple” form?

(Daniel 11:30) . . .And he will actually go back and hurl denunciations against the holy covenant and act effectively; and he will have to go back and will give consideration to those leaving the holy covenant.

Does GLOBALIST King North intel “give consideration” to wandering sheep on Topix?

No, they “give consideration” of having the GB help stand the disgusting thing here as PART of the THEY here:

(Daniel 11:31) . . .“And they will certainly put in place the disgusting thing that is causing desolation.

Now rather than explain the many reasons why the USSR CANNOT “place the disgusting thing” in 1990 3rd UN event, the GB UNNGOd up and silenced the prophecy!

Sound familiar?

(Daniel 8:12) . . .kept throwing truth to the earth, and it acted and had success.

So Daniel 8:11-14 is parallel with Daniel 11:30-35:

(Daniel 8:13-14) . . .And I got to hear a certain holy one speaking, and another holy one proceeded to say to the particular one who was speaking: “How long will the vision be of the constant [feature] and of the transgression causing desolation [UN NGO], to make both [the] holy place and [the] army things to trample on?” 14 So he said to me: “Until two thousand three hundred evenings [and] mornings; and [the] holy place will certainly be brought into its right condition.”

Now JWs must be judged and cleansed to enter the “right condition” when that timing and events transpire in the future.


[QUOTE who=”Aneirin”]<quoted text>

Jesus speaks through the Christian congregation:

*** 2 Cor 5:20 We are therefore ambassadors on behalf of Christ, as though God were entreating by us: we beg you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.


This is the root of the problem and the main lawless GB tactic. They take a Biblical truth in this case and attach the “organization” AS IF the congregation of Christ and even “Zion”.

But by the wild beast alliances of the WTBTS it is clearly now run by Satan.

In the case of the “governing body” they just pasted on a non-Biblical assumption to a corporate “board” where had it actually existed God would have addressed it in Revelation 2-3 able to foresee the problem “proving” there ever was a “governing body” in first century Jerusalem.

Deceptive techniques such as that, and there are a few more, is how we know Satan runs that GB into the place with the 1976 illegal seizure of the WYBTS dictatorship.

Thus, we can KNOW Jehovah will judge these scoundrels soon. (Dan8:13-14)

Jehovah’s witnesses are NOT in any “right condition” at this time. It IS what it IS.

But at least the lying techniques of this pack of GB snakes can now be reliably “reverse engineered” in their own public written record as they apply Daniel 8:14 to themselves, of course.

Of course that prophecy is so obscure among JWs the GB of today probably cannot explain it and you’ll have to go look it up to act like you can.


[QUOTE who=”jwtotruth”]they often used “new order” or “new world society”.

the 1984 NWT also was one of the only “Bibles” im aware of that used the Freemason term “Grand Master”.

“its a big idea, a New World Order”

in politics the term “new world order has a few different meanings, usually refers to a global power shift, such as was used by the Germans in WW2 or the Americans in the 90s. [/QUOTE]

The final “power shift” is into 8th King world government “ascension**” upon the “old world order” 7th King downfall in controlled manner. (**Rev11:7; Rev17:8-12)

It has been used since before 1919, and by HG Wells in 1940 with his book “The New World Order” which describes the advocacy points for world government and how he thought it would arise.

As per Daniel 11:32 the “Grand Master” GB is the GLOBALIST King North placed subversion unit to mislead JWs as per Daniel 8:12.

It results in the temple judgment events and timing of Daniel 8:13-14 on JWs first as per 1Pet4:17.
But the outcome will be the final warning amidst great global attention upon JWs JW Org downfall.

WHY Have JWs Gone so Bad? To Get Your Attention for the Final Warning!

The terminology the GB uses is so their KN-“Grand Master” knows they are there in JWVille as a “gang sign” they use as an inside joke along with pentagrams and phalluses all over JW literature such as the “Sin[g] to Jehovah” songbook back cover, first edition. A wanker so pronounced they replaced it with a “brother” slurping a scarlet serpent tongue later; second edition.

THAT is why they joined JWs as globally known UN NGO “wild beast worshipers”; Satanists run the JW Org and are up to all kinds of not so visible evils at Bethel as well.

[QUOTE who=”pcloadletter”]<quoted text>
Joseph Stalin- ‘Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything.’

Now it’s even said to be a lie that Stalin ever said this.


You don’t hear much about them other purges like in China and Russia. They publicized “The Jewish Question” and “The Nazi’s” to set up the first “Global Underdog” “Israel” Effect. This is for the future victory over Islam at some point at or near the end of the final world war.

This way the “Israel” prop can look as if “God’s chosen” and “the winner” and so will the 8th King world government Israel will become the spiritual “crown Jewel” of. It is all to help sell world government with Revelation 13:3.

Not to minimize that Jewish Nazi extermination period, but the effect it has on the world then and in the future is why they did the over-publicization of the holocaust (human sacrifice incendiary type) when Russia and China exterminated over 200 million of their own people.

Islam should become the “first department” of Babylon the Great to be deposed at that time. Because Christendom and BTG left remaining have to “ride the [complete] world government scarlet wild beast and sell it to their flocks, they are deposed last as per Rev17:11-18.

This is why we also know BTG does NOT go down next. The Global NATO alliance cannot fight Russia and China and also depose global religion at the same time FOR WHAT SHOULD BE OBVIOUS REASONS, too many “fronts” plus they need the religious recruiters for the world war.

THAT is why BTG goes down last in the Revelation 16:17-20 sequence and in the Revelation 17:8-18 sequence. OBVIOUS the GB is setting up JWs with a known error become obvious.

Because there are about 3 other reasons BTG must go down last, this is the TOTAL PROOF, it also aids the final salvation liberation:

Babylon the Great Deposed Under World Government


[QUOTE who=”dee lightful “] Wow, look at all these JW’s that are involved in the worldly doing ! So much for their not being of this world !
Not hypocritical much are they!!!![/QUOTE]

HUh? JWs live in a cave of 1970 walls. They barely look out the window, read the paper or check Google. JWs are so silent they did not mention UN 3 1990 was a prophecy also of Daniel 11:31b, Dan8:23.

But in general, living in a cave was not the intent of being “no part of the world”, Jesus took part and was NOT “neutral” he was all for God’s Kingdom and his perfect “politic” he spoke as he laid the Pharisees low on numerous occasions.

“Politics” is merely the “arts and sciences of government”. Thus Christ is the Ultimate Politician. But because people hate politicians and know many are corrupt, they don’t like to apply the word to Christ.

But he is a perfect “governor” none the less.

The Divine Perfect “Politician”, no offense intended. OF COURSE, he talked some politics as well. GOVERNMENT is what Christ anointed by God to manage on Earth.


[QUOTE who=”Newtonian”]<quoted text>

Can you document that? I know Stalin starved 20 million Ukrainians to death.

Thankfully my wife’s parents and brothers escaped Stalin via Germany! My wife is Ukrainian.

Trump’s wife is also from that area – Slovenia I think.

Putin is an angel by comparison to Stalin or Hitler! I don’t think he has even killed one million!

And most of those killed under his administration involve actual wars.

At this time Russia is a much safer place to live than any of the 7 countries Trump is nervous about.

He has not killed any of Jehovah’s Witnesses, to my knowledge – despite our limited persecution in Russia.

I am not disagreeing with you – just simply asking for clarification and documentation.

I certainly am not one to be Russian (er: rushing) to judgment![/QUOTE]


You can find other estimates here:


But there is an official CIA unclassified database of late I heard about on something newsworthy but did not note it, but remembered it because I was appalled at the huge increase in the estimate.

It may be in this release:

‘Full history’: Secret CIA documents now available online

But in a quick search I could not find it. But I know what I heard in round terms.

Russia tamed as lured into the post 1990 globalization offer wherein both them a China scrapped global-socialism to join the “free markets” and globalization-capitalism for the FIRST TIME OFFICIALLY, which was a way for the central banks to loot Russia and China to help form the world government endowment package. (USSR ripped off Russia and others of around 50 trillion, btw)

The KN-Bankers just stole 80 trillion from the US since 2010 (few noticed), and they will do worse to China and less to Russia by means of the currency and securities slush works enabled by the globalization scale markets and finance system (some call it the “black budget”). Catherine Austin-Fitts former Bush/Clinton HUD analyst:


Has those numbers as combined 2008 securities scam (20-40 trillion), 27 trillion in bail outs and the 40 trillion that has “vanished” from the Pentagon since 2000, not to mention the spare 20-40 trillion slushed in other ways.


What this 200 trillion (counting stuff legally brought in as well) can do is safely super-fund the world government start up phase; with no need of taxes, not to say they won’t tax, but the endowment has world government operating expenses (including Global NATO) covered.

PLUS there is the extra 100 tonnes of gold which World Bank Global Debt Facility Attorney Karen Hudes revealed though probably not mentioned here, here is her overall argument:


But Hudes wants to position to protect national sovereignty. The real King North globalists want to use the real gold volume (read Dan11:42-43) as the “baseplate” of world government as it is even more reliable than the 200 trillion dollar endowment which could be bigger than that.

This way the King South nations can crash and be recovered reliably (Dan11:42-43; Rev13:3; Isa41:1) into King North world government after this next world war.

When BTG is deposed AFTER world government completes, that will toss in another 500 trillion. Hence the fullest meaning of Daniel 11:42-43 of the future, which of cousre a bankrupted USSR NEVER HAS OR COULD FULFILL!

Now Fitts and Hudes are NOT “conspiracy theorists” they are respected EXPERTS in the areas they specialize in and have worked for the US Government and World Bank respectively, as Hudes still does as WB Global Debt Facility attorney.

So this is not “make believe” numbers from either of these two, these are highly skilled expert opinions and in some cases plain evidence such as Austin-Fitts HUD overhaul data of the 90s stint she had.

Catherine covers the world government endowment very briefly here:


[QUOTE who=”pcloadletter”]<quoted text>Do you happen to know if that’s what is meant by “We have made a covenant with Death.”?
Feeding “Death” by killing other people, thinking “Death” will reciprocate by not demanding the killers’ lives ?

Could be because that Isa28 temple snake pit was pretty bad, they may have been involved with, well they WERE involved with Satanism but one of the cover-god names; so it was pretty severe from those apostate priests.

But that is an interesting idea. The Samaria temple priests of that time got the warning then the Assyrian successful invasion to put an end to all that, by Ezekiel’s time God cleaned them out too at Jerusalem.

The Isaiah period was Jerusalem’s warning. It is also Hosea, Amos, Joel, Micah time frame as far as temple judgment specific. Zephaniah and Habakkuk covered the world power aspects of the time applicable to the modern nation-state versus globalist thing of today.

Thus “Babylon” has a dual gender the religious harlot role Babylon “the Great” and the Daniel 2 masculine globalist Babylon “head of gold” role. But when you read the context you’ll be able to figire out which one applies.

The initial Egypt and Assyria represent the “national” and “globalist” struggle as well. Egypt was subjugated but never wiped out, as will happen in Daniel 11:42-43 in modern times.

That is why the “Egypt” symbol in prophecy has some very direct applications to what shall befall King South:

7th King Downfall – Isaiah’s and Ezekiel’s Prophecy – “Egypt” Pronouncements as Modern Nation-State System Parallels in the Final Tribulation Cycle

But as stated:

(Isaiah 19:22) . . .And Jehovah will certainly deal Egypt a blow. There will be a dealing of a blow and a healing; and they must return to Jehovah, and he must let himself be entreated by them and must heal them.

But too:

(Isaiah 19:4) . . .And I will deliver up Egypt into the hand of a hard master (world government), and strong will be the king that will rule over them,” is the utterance of the [true] Lord, Jehovah of armies.

But the purposeof this:

(Isaiah 19:22) . . .And Jehovah will certainly deal Egypt a blow. There will be a dealing of a blow and a healing; and they must return to Jehovah, and he must let himself be entreated by them and must heal them.

Is this:

(Haggai 2:7) 7 “‘And I will rock all the nations, and the desirable things of all the nations must come in; and I will fill this house with glory,’ Jehovah of armies has said.

Thus it is NOT the end yet either.

Also that modern “Egyptians” “they must return to Jehovah” means people of the nations, some of them,will be saved, there will still be God’s “my people” even in BTG until deposed.

But this all comes out in full detail with the final warning “second witness” of the “two witnesses” in the deeper part of the final cycle about to start soon.


[QUOTE who=”pcloadletter”]<quoted text>Do you happen to know if that’s what is meant by “We have made a covenant with Death.”?
Feeding “Death” by killing other people, thinking “Death” will reciprocate by not demanding the killers’ lives ?

This is sort of what you are saying if you can see it:

(Zechariah 11:4-5) . . .“This is what Jehovah my God has said, ‘Shepherd the flock [meant] for the killing, 5 the buyers of which proceed to kill [them] although they are not held guilty. And those who are selling them say: “May Jehovah be blessed, while I shall gain riches.” And their own shepherds do not show any compassion upon them.’

In that case they are not ‘held guilty” because God has not judged the place yet. BUT they may be reasoning as you state to preserve their own lives, BUT at the expense of the “flock meant for the killing”.

Now when you read that prophecy section Zechariah is playing the part of the “son of destruction” “valueless shepherd” so you when you read it makes more sense.

(Zechariah 11:7) . . .And I proceeded to shepherd the flock [meant] for the killing, in YOUR behalf, O afflicted ones of the flock.. . .

So when Zechariah says that in the above he is not the one “not held guilty” he is playing the role of the evil shepherd to make some statements from the evil shepherd so we can know their motives.

Thus when this applied to the betrayal of Christ:

(Zechariah 11:12-13) . . .Then I said to them: “If it is good in YOUR eyes, give [me] my wages; but if not, refrain.” And they proceeded to pay my wages, thirty pieces of silver. 13 At that, Jehovah said to me: “Throw it to the treasury—the majestic value with which I have been valued from their standpoint.” Accordingly I took the thirty pieces of silver and threw it into the treasury at the house of Jehovah.

Zechariah is of course NOT a betrayer, he was completing the role so we know this is a “son of destruction” “man of lawlessness” modern parallel.

Unfortunately at this time, JWs are the “flock meant for the killing”. (Hence Matthew 24:15)


[QUOTE who=”rsss1″]<quoted text>

Bethel:so you know about how heb 7 means to me about melchezidek……..can you please answer how a mortal man if you believed he was can not have father or mother,no geneology,no beginning of days or end of days and be like the Son of God…….notice not sons of God,as Angels and man are………who can be like the Son 0f God except Gods word who became the Son of God……King of Jerusalem,King of righteousness,King of peace……..no man can fit that criteria…..only God can…..yet it can not be the father because no one has EVER seen the father…..please comment on this subject[/QUOTE]

I thought I posted what I thought about Melchizedek. I think he was Michael blessing Abraham in human form, but as an incarnation, not Adamic nor for sacrificial purposes. Jacob was also blessed by angel Penuel via a WWF match:

(Genesis 32:24) . . .Finally Jacob was left by himself. Then a man began to grapple with him until the dawn ascended.

I can see no one who God would consider the greater of Abraham than an angel. Plus a man that great would have a legacy of 100 children, this Mel guy is a “mystery man”.

But it being God, nope. God dispatches all missions to Michael except for when he resurrected Christ and created him in the first place. Everything else is pretty much all Michael, as usual.

Was Michael Also Melchizedek?

But I can’t find a definitive proof in the Bible yet, nor do I know if it will turn up. It is more a background “sacred secret” a little like Michael being Jesus Christ’s prehuman identity is also a sort of issue not central to salvation but given to some to understand but not all. A “sacred” “secret”.


[QUOTE who=”roy”]<quoted text>It will soon be here


Roy, (there is some time for a good reason of the final salvation appeal to prepare some people for Revelation 14:6-7 post-Christ arrival reality because SAVING SHEEP is Christ arrival FIRST PRIORITY.)


You WILL be able to verify the periods God provides in prophecy for a reason in two phases leading to the arrival it will be describing after recovery:

PROOF 1. Temple Judgment Period – Daniel 8:13 events, Daniel 8:14 verification timing. (3.19 years signal, minimum; Verification Global-Context: It starts (1Pet4:17) with JWs and it starts the “tribulation of those days” in the Daniel 11:41-43 GLOBAL CONTEXT.)

PROOF 2. Final Appeal – Revelation 11:3 timing parallel (Dan7:25, Dan12:7, Rev11:2, Rev12:14, Rev13:5 evenets, timing)

It WILL get so obvious for some, it aids the final open salvation appeal because more than JWs (Rom2:12-16, 25-29) have to be saved and in the apo-state JWs are in today they would at this time be the first removed. (1Pet4:15-16)

By JW notable global-downfall and eventually “cleansed” recovery (Dan8:14; Zech3:2; Rev8:3-8) it will be turned around into the “right condition” of Dan8:14 and that will get plenty of global attention.

That GLOBAL-ATTENTION is for the Chapter 1, JW GLOBAL APOLOGY AND DISCLOSURE of the prophetic apostasy the GB led as its main modern “man of lawlessness” signal and the REVELATION OF EVERYTHING THEY HAVE BEEN COVERING UP!!.

That apostasy occurs ever since the “governing body” idea started to get applied to the WTBTS secular “board of directors” which budded up in 1944, but with the 1990 3rd UN event UN NGO Matthew 24:15 SIGNAL it has been the Daniel 8:11-12 and Daniel 11:30-35 development led by JWs as Daniel 11:32a.

The Daniel 8:13 “transgression causing desolation” IS that Matthew 24:15 marking UN NGO wild beast worship covenant and excuse of the GB and modern JWs. (THAT is they the JW UN NGO is globally known to fulfill Matthew 24:15; It occurred with the Daniel 11:31b 1990 3rd UN event, the “new world order” mantra post Cold War UN global presentation with little fanfare)

Now as with the “Bible Students” as shown in this article, JWs are NOT the only religion whose leadership is wildbeast backed, aligned and promoting. ALL THE OTHER corporate religions will ALSO “ride the wild beast”. JWs merely joined the ride as the last hitchhikers by way of the GB UN NGO of 1991. Now ALLof them aree riding the wildbeast!

TAKE NOTE OF WHAT THAT MEANS! (Matthew 24:15 most general global application)

IF GOD did not intervene into the JW situation they would stay astride the wild beast too! BUT God will KNOCK JWS OFF and the context that allows that will be GLOBAL AND HUGE! (Dan8:13; Dan11:41 “trampling” events on JWs; (Hos1:4-7)

A proof you can see soon is that this event context is to global Daniel 11:41-43. Daniel 11:41 “invasion” is to come on the JW Org in a big way,YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TOMISS SEEIGN IT, some of it will make CNN.

BUT the JW GB will sell that to JWs as the expected “Daniel 11:44 has activated brothers, yes, it is the “the end”, look no further! Just let the JW org be destroyed!, well done! Good bye fools! don’t forget to obey Pied Piper as crazy as it may sound! Your deliverance is near!! Hooray all hail the GB!!”

You WILL see such an event for the GB are using the 2Thess2:1-2 premature end delusion as the false-pretext cover to dupe JWs to accept this anti-JW-Org takedown-global to sell it to JWs as “its the end brothers!” for a diversion and total bamboozled JW stall job.

The 2Thess2:1-2 premature end delusion is the MAIN “man of lawlessness” “son of destruction” DELUSION and JWs are immersed in it now fully by the GB “Pied Piper” lead. (Hence as per Daniel 11:32a, the GB is from the King North Globalist subverters as per explicit prophecy there.)

God is not just letting JWs go this bad for no good reason.


[QUOTE who=”Matt13weedhacker”]<quoted text>

It’s DELIBERATE confusing of Identities.

Because Tri{3}nity is only Modalism modified slightly.


It seems the confusion may be the tip of the trinity iceberg:

(2 Corinthians 4:4) …among whom the god of this system of things has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, that the illumination of the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of God, might not shine through.

So we may ask HOW Satan can make such an illogical idea seem like divine truth when it has massive problems that an insane mind itself may concoct wherein the ability to distinguish the characters in a movie seems to be transformed into the ability to say Abraham Lincoln and John Wikes Booth are the same person merely in different roles in the play.

Thus in the pitch black icy depths of the underbelly of this trinity comedically tragic idea the “light” at the end of these mental tunnels is too soothing for their off-kilter minds to pull away from:

(2 Corinthians 11:13-14) . . .For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for Satan himself keeps transforming himself into an angel of light.

And as it all says, by this black-hole and by this “warm and fuzzy” superhuman demon angelic power these people have become transformed themselves both mentally and now physically into the apostles of Satan himself as they are led further and further into the darkness. Of course why would these deny themselves the grand-delusion they are also apostles of Christ [at the same time]!

And if they don’t pull out it will be completed in eternal ‘blackness” in time.

(Jude 13) …stars with no set course, for which the blackness of darkness stands reserved forever.

It is sad but the ridiculousness of the trinity theory makes it also comical yet surreal at the same time as the lucid mind tries to contemplate just how someone could confuse two characters in the same play as if they are some how crazily the “same person in reality”.

It is mind boggling how this thing took root in these minds of which Satan is able to even physiologically control by his own spirit as it all became “god” to them (even the theory itself mixed in), for Satan is ensconced in the Trinity since he and Eve and Adam made themselves “god” and became indistinguishable in “identity” purpose which meant more and more and more lies, lies, lies.

But it is only temporarily permitted, thank the presonS, The God Jehovah and HIS SON Jesus Christ.

In time no one will ever catch wind of the trinity lie again, or Satan its mental architect for that matter. No wonder the Popes who championed this former faith into a vain illegal creed could also make human torture their documented expertise and had no problem burning many people at the stake, to mention only one manner of murder they “perfected” in the name of this Trinity rotted demon ether.

The are insane, but in the way of Satan, capable of intelligent murderous and deceptive machinations yet not all there at the same time. The trinity cannot save them when the divine-antidote envelopes planet Earth, only repentance or a twist of undeserved kindness could spare them. (Rom2:12-16;26) But the trinity talk will have to cease, one way or another by Universal Law of the Messianic Kingdom.

(Isaiah 24:21-23) . . .And it must occur in that day that Jehovah will turn his attention upon the army of the height in the height, and upon the kings of the ground upon the ground. 22 And they will certainly be gathered with a gathering as of prisoners into the pit, and be shut up in the dungeon; and after an abundance of days they will be given attention. 23 And the full moon has become abashed, and the glowing [sun] has become ashamed, for Jehovah of armies has become king in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem and in front of his elderly men with glory.

That Trinity concoction is quite the interesting feat of Satan.


[QUOTE who=”Veritas 69″]<quoted text>


Thanks for confirming your presumptions..(huh)[/QUOTE]

It’s not a presumption. Whatever the state agenda is the churches MUST tow the Caesar party line, whether with the US Civil War or the Nazis the corporate church agenda is a state agenda crafted for the flock by the clergy elites.

Now true some some INDIVIDUAL Christians obeyed God as ruler rather than men and were imprisoned or killed in many examples not just those two in the above, BUT they did so while also being “excommunicated” by the harlot church leaders.

Churches are part of the SELL OUT “harlot daughters” of Babylon the Great as far as the soft and corn fed clergy leadership. This is NOT to judge Christians of God’s Revelation 18:4 “my people” INDIVIDUALS and families who obey the law of love whereby even “people of the nations” in a BTG “religion” can still end up being approved by God by obeying the first commandment of love whether they know they are doing so or not.

(Romans 2:25-26) . . .Circumcision is, in fact, of benefit only if you practice law; but if you are a transgressor of law your circumcision has become uncircumcision. 26 If, therefore, an uncircumcised person keeps the righteous requirements of the Law, his uncircumcision will be counted as circumcision, will it not?

Yes, it will and that logic extends to the law of Christ:

(Romans 2:12-16) 12 For instance, all those who sinned without law will also perish without law; but all those who sinned under law will be judged by law. 13 For the hearers of law are not the ones righteous before God, but the doers of law will be declared righteous. 14 For whenever people of the nations that do not have law do by nature the things of the law, these people, although not having law, are a law to themselves. 15 They are the very ones who demonstrate the matter of the law to be written in their hearts, while their conscience is bearing witness with them and, between their own thoughts, they are being accused or even excused. 16 This will be in the day when God through Christ Jesus judges the secret things of mankind, according to the good news I declare.

So if you have fled the churches as you imply you may have then you can obey God as ruler rather than men, and even if you may not realize it you have fled “Babylon the Great” as God already gave order in Revelation 18:4. This is to be clear no human can judge another human, period, so I really do not know you and even if I did cannot judge even myself, much less you.

But I know as Christians we have to offer the most open salvation message possible to all people and them leaving the church or JW church RACKETS now full of rotten fruit is the FIRST STEP in this flight from BTG that people can make and obey God whether they know it or not.

How many people this?

That God COMMANDS THAT WE NOT “GO TO CHURCH” or any other corporate religious racketeering venue.

I am just saying that in God’s eyes JWs are just the same pod as the churches: UNFAITHFUL HARLOT situation.

It is best to read the BIBLE and appeal to God through a DIRECT RELATIONSHIP with Jesus Christt AND SPEAK THE OPEN SALVATION OFFER OF REVELATION 14:6-8 EVEN BEFORE it gets here in reality.

It is the RELIGIONS that are going down, JWs first as per 1Pet14:17 and Daniel 8:131-4 for recovery purposes of the final warning appeal.

PEOPLE, ANYONE, CAN BE SAVED in the process.

(Revelation 14:6-8) . . .And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, and he had everlasting good news to declare as glad tidings to those who dwell on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people, 7 saying in a loud voice: “FEAR God and give him glory, because the hour of the judgment by him has arrived, and so worship the One who made the heaven and the earth and sea and fountains of waters.”

Thus in the end when world government DESTROYS global RELIGIONS, the above will have been the global offer in action leading to this finality:

8 And another, a second angel, followed, saying: “She has fallen! Babylon the Great has fallen, she who made all the nations drink of the wine of the anger of her fornication!”


[QUOTE who=”Icaris”]BJ I can only assume the one who marked your post with negatives didn’t so much as read a single sentence. I personally found this to be not only encouraging but extremely profound. I cant imagine what a “Indestructible/ Immortal ” human being would even look like. Divine?

Perhaps this is what the scriptures mean when it says that Angels are just a little higher than man.

With that being said…in what way would an indestructible/ Immortal human be a little lower than the angels? or ..to rephrase the question…how are Angels a little higher than an Indestructible/Immortal human?

Also…Why would the gift of (Tree of Life…immortality) given to humans but not the angels?

I always enjoy your post as well as your comments. Thanks BJ[/QUOTE]

You’re welcome. Thanks for giving it the Beroean attitude. Yes, human sin has changed the nature of EVERYTHING (Eze47) under the human hierarchy of Genesis 1:26-28 now under the death and decaying spirit of Satan and the compounding errors of human sin complex, but it is all just a temporary “futility”:

(Romans 8:18-22) Consequently I reckon that the sufferings of the present season do not amount to anything in comparison with the glory that is going to be revealed in us. 19 For the eager expectation of the creation is waiting for the revealing of the sons of God. 20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not by its own will but through him that subjected it, on the basis of hope 21 that the creation itself also will be set free from enslavement to corruption and have the glorious freedom of the children of God. 22 For we know that all creation keeps on groaning together and being in pain together until now.

That “corruption” is that of death and decay, not moral corruption. (phthora: From phtheiro; decay, i.e. Ruin (spontaneous or inflicted, literally or figuratively) — corruption, destroy, perish.

So the “creation” is the totality of the earthly life system as the target of the Matthew 19:28 “RE” “Generation”, re-genesis, re-creation. So when it says Christ “gathers all things on Earth” too, it means EVERYTHING. (Eze47:9) The recovery is far huger than the well-stalled “Governing Body of Jehovah’s witnesses” are properly explaining is what it is starting to mean in a serious manner (Dan8:12b).

And as we know God does NOTHING half-vast like that, but to TOTAL all comprehensive completion totality, intimae. Eventually, some final things have to be made known public globally in final refined form, in Daniel 8:14 time of preparation of the “temple” “right condition” once again. (parallel Rev8:1-8; Zech3:1-5; Mal3:1-5; 1Pet4:17)

Actually the final harmonization and clarification coming in time [from GOD; Rev11:3], is a prophecy as well:

(Isaiah 43:18-19) 18 “Do not remember the first things (1914-1919), and to the former things do not turn your consideration. 19 Look! I am doing SOMETHING NEW. Now it will spring up. you people will know it, will you not?

(Isaiah 42:9) .The first things (1914-1919)—here they have come, but NEW THINGS (of the future) I am telling out. Before they begin to spring up, I cause you people to hear [them].

(Isaiah 48:6-7) You have heard. Behold it all. As for you people, will you not tell [it]? I have made you hear new things from the present time, even THINGS KEPT IN RESERVE, that you have not known. 7 At the present time they must be created, and not from that time, even things that before today you have not heard, that you may not say, ‘Look! I have already known them.’

This final clarifications will in time aid the final warning of Revelation 10:11; Rev11:1-7 which just REPEATS the same known JW pattern to the future but as we head towards world government as the globally seen entity that triggers the Christ arrival. But more on that later.


On the holy angles, with the Satanic test also playing out in the heavenly realm wherein demons chose Satan’s “sovereignty” and the holy angels maintained their integrity to God’s sovereignty they may have many conditions we are not told of; but we are told what we need to know for this period about that realm. Plus, with the “upgrade” of Christ and his heavenly sovereignty as far as the “woman’s” symbol extent is concerned in the “GREAT SIGN seen in heaven” in Revelation 12, the holy angels too may have benefited from the power upgrade and had definite power enough to expel Satan.

This is not imply they could not have done that expulsion by God’s power previously but that the “crown of 12 stars” upon that “woman” in the new “crown” element (since Genesis 3:15’s same “woman”) means that “sovereignty” headed by Michael, also has 12 “star” angelic orders forming that “crown” reality. That is a “crowned woman” now under Christ’s upgraded power so as a whole “crown” and “woman” it is a new condition, at that time, as shown by the “crown” symbology, subservient to God but a placed sovereign system by him. It shows the “crown” is an upgrade in power recognition and no doubt its actual angelic ability in preparation for the finale.

And thus, very deep into the history of all this in 1914, the finality of the Satanic temptations for the angels was complete as Satan no longer has access to their presence any longer. Not that the demons falling away at the flood means more could have joined later, but the condition is possible; Satan certainly would have been in agreement with any more than “1/3” fall out joining the rebellion. But once Satan was cast a period of his permitted accusations (and possible angelic temptations) was at an end. And to achieve that “crown” condition of God’s “woman” means the angels under Michael’s total “crown” meaning assist in the heavenly aspect of that upgraded authority.

And we can eliminate some confusion here as far as who the angels are subject to:

(1 Corinthians 6:3) Do YOU not know that we shall judge angels?

The demons are who are judged, the holy angelic portion of the judgment would now be completed in approval.

The holy angels NEVER did spurn God’s sovereignty, they are only subject to Christ and God, there never was an issue as far as a need for the 144000 to “rule the angels”, for the holy angels never have given up their position under God. The demons did are are deposed by the 144000 as sovereigns because the Earth is given to the Kingdom of Christ and the demons were rival rulers thus in line for action of depositions from the Messianic Kingdom. And as it was fully explained exactly why Michael was elevated to the “superior position” in Hebrews 1 all the other angels are under him, he is under God, period.

Now Christ also rules the anointed “body of the Christ” even in human form (as the extent of his assigned authority in 1914, not the whole planet Earth, yet) This is because that was the prophecy indicated extent of his “God’s Kingdom” 1914 based TEMPORARY kingship in God’s Kingdom even though given “all authority in heaven and earth” the unfolding of God’s purpose is by steps outlined fully in his whole prophecy.

So Christ exercise authority in regard to the anointed Christian element, to explain through them the rest of the process now unfolding and why they are discrediting the current 1914 truths. (Revelation 10:5-8 means some final refinements MUST come, because there are a few problems detected that are harmonized in final from for the final appeal warning leading to Revelation 14:6-8 as a global “open salvation offer” guarantee, which has to be fully explained in harmonius detail fully and completely with ZERO glitches to God specification of acceptance as sworn and promised here so it will happen in the future to this degree:

(Revelation 10:5-7) And the angel that I saw standing on the sea and on the earth raised his right hand to heaven, 6 and by the One who lives forever and ever, who created the heaven and the things in it and the earth and the things in it and the sea and the things in it, he swore: “There will be no delay any longer; 7 but in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to blow his trumpet, the sacred secret of God according to the good news which he declared to his own slaves the prophets is indeed brought to a finish.”

That leads to the final “little scroll” commission for the “second witness” of the TWO witnesses. (Rev10:8-10) Which has to be given a final witnessing explicitly stated here:

(Revelation 10:11) . . .And they say to me: “You must prophesy AGAIN with regard to peoples and nations and tongues and many kings.”

And thus Christ role in “God’s Kingdom” to oversee all this anointed work leads to Christ basically COMPLETING HIMSELF (Matt10:23) the very ministry he started through the anointed to others all the way to the totality of Christa arrival to SAVE SHEEP FIRST; completed here by Christ and his angels after Christ arrival of the future in full form:

(Revelation 14:6-7) . . .And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, and he had everlasting good news to declare as glad tidings to those who dwell on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people, 7 saying in a loud voice: “FEAR God and give him glory, because the hour of the judgment by him has arrived, and so worship the One who made the heaven and the earth and sea and fountains of waters.”

So many more people than modern JWs are stating can end up in the “great crowd” and be saved.

And as per Revelation 14:1 which must complete the 144000 beyond a “foregleam” but in MESSIANIC Kingdom matured reality, but “born” in 1914, THAT is the Sovereign “Kingdom of David” covenant fulfilling entity that rules the universe and earth. The 1914 God’s Kingdom sovereignty ruled the angels for God, under God, and THAT is the “Kingdom” Christ “hands back” to God, because only God can be “King of Eternity” God ALMIGHTY. BUT only Christ can be “son of David” and “son of man” in the Messianic Kingdom which has yet to complete. THAT one is the one that gets the “second witness” of the TWO “witnessings” of Revelation 11 in the future and that Kingdom rules Earth thus both can rule forever and ever in that above described form of hierarchy:

(Revelation 22:5) they will rule as kings forever and ever.

Christ cannot “hand back” his personal Messianic “Kingdom of David” Dan2 “stone” for these reasons, but it is fully subservient when he “hands back” God’s Kingdom received in 1914 when this is all complete all enemies vanquished permanently.

(1 Corinthians 15:26-28) As the last enemy, death is to be brought to nothing. 27 For [God] “subjected all things under his feet.” But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that it is with the exception of the one who subjected all things to him. 28 But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone.

Thus once it is time for God to go past the GB stall since Fred Franz died as the last “light” in the joint the final wrap up will:

1. Fix a few total errors now in Daniel 4, 8 and 11.

2. Reaffirm Revelation total truth framework for the final cycle as laid out by Fred Franz, that is by and large fully accurate.

3. Expand the foundational JW truths

4. Remove the lawless man-made Bethel policies causing stumbling, diversion and reproach focused on the GB “stars of the show”, really Daniel 11:32a.

5. Explain the prophecy which outlines how, why, who, what, where and the when of when this all sprung up since 1976. (Dan8:11-14; Dan11:30-35)

So when this finally completes it will refresh what we know is true, fix the big problems, expose why it occurred and for what objective and all that forms a very complete and convincing final “witness”, the “second witness” of the “TWO witnesses” which is also 1260 days. When combined with 1914-1918’s 1260 days on the same pattern and message, Revelation 11 contains the FINAL “SEVEN TIMES” but as 2520 days of full warning prior to total Christ arrival.

Just be patient as per 2Thess2:1-2 JWs are now subject to a premature “end” and Christ arrival delusion. In reality, God is sending in a grand slam wrap up as the world heads into “8th King” “King North” WORLD GOVERNMENT SIGNAL FOR ALL!



There are logical reasons why the final appeal warning forecast will be complete BEFORE the events it is outlining through to the realities in seven trumpet order.

If we had to wait until after it all fulfilled and match it up later it would be too late this time.

That is why knowing the “day and hour” is irrelevant when the final global milestone signal indications LEADING TO the Christ arrival will all be seen, while all being fully explained, at global scope see EVERYONE who wants to can put 2 and 2 together this time.

It aids the Revelation pre-Christ-Conquest global “sheep sweep”of Matthew 24:31 and Reve14:6-7,14-16,Matt25:31-40.

The more events come true such as JWOrg downfall judgment first as Daniel 8:13-14 the clearer and clearer and clearer it will all become over those final years of Daniel 8:14>>>Daniel12:7(Rev11:3)>>>Dan12:11 which have to all be open fro salvation in even the final 1290 day period.

Revelation 19 “Great Crowd in Heaven” compared to Revelation 7 “Great Crowd” in Prophecy Clues

In that above article there is a section on “Christ Arrival Priorities” and the seven year “week” of open salvation to tie Genesis 7:4 principle over to Daniel 9:27, but for the final 1260 days and 1290 days marked periods of final appeal 1260 days leading to the open salvation Christ arrival period 1290 day days with plenty of scriptural principles to prove ANYONE responding psotively to Revealtion 14:6-8 WILL be saved; ANYONE.

The “Open Salvation Offer Guarantee” is also a positive message to balance the heavy nature of the final warning, so it is not any “doomsday” talk, because the 8th King achieves the final “world peace” of 1Thess5:1-3 and Daniel 8:25 “freedom from care”.

Thus the “doomsday” scare will have passed with Revelation 13:3 “tribulation of those days” parallel even before it transformed into the final “sword stroke” Isaiah 41:1 “healing” which, instead, “heals” to sell world government with world “peace and security” and hope, rather than doomsday “sword stroke” anyways.

So the final appeal winds up in a totally unexpected global change of events as per Revelation 13:3 anyways.

But this timeit can allbe outlined well BEFORE we get there to even forecast that final warning will be ceased as Revelation 11:7-10 when it is completed in its full 1260 day requirement; which is how the final anointed are to be sealed as well, by completing the final appeal warning mission of Rev10:8-11.

Thus the “four winds” is NOT with the “sword stroke” coming up, it is under the far more dangerous totally complete 8th King world government, hence “DURING a freedom from care” a controlled destruction agenda is also carried out as Daniel 8:15 and Daniel 11:44-45 parallel. That is when the two witnesses final warning is ceased, and then BTG is deposed as the last big event because Christ arrives in “sheep sweep” mode after 2 witnesses go down and before BTG is judged in final form.

Mapping the Post-World Government Christ Arrival by Prophecy Cross Reference

In that article it proves how the “four winds” must be under complete world government 8th King.


Is Trump Resisting 666 World Government?

If Trumps big campaign slogan was really “Make the 7th King Great Again” then how do the 8th King Globalist Empire Elites feel about this whole Trump thing as they require a King South fall of Daniel 11:42-43 in the future?

Would Trump actually be resisting the 666 of World Government cooperation if he is genuine in his objectives to bolster the ailing King South national systems and the 7th King nation-state vitality in this gradual but steady downslide since 1990?

(Revelation 13:15-18) And there was granted it to give breath to the image of the wild beast, so that the image of the wild beast should both speak and cause to be killed all those who would not in any way worship the image of the wild beast. 16 And it puts under compulsion all persons, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free and the slaves, that they should give these a mark in their right hand or upon their forehead, 17 and that nobody might be able to buy or sell except a person having the mark, the name of the wild beast or the number of its name. 18 Here is where wisdom comes in: Let the one that has intelligence calculate the number of the wild beast, for it is a man’s number; and its number is six hundred and sixty-six.

(Daniel 11:39a) And [the REAL King North globalist system] will act effectively against the most fortified strongholds, along with a foreign god [of globalism; Rev16:13-16 “gathering nations”].

Now as we see the King North Global Empire Elites of Forming World Government recently toppled the USSR as one of these “most fortified strongholds” ever known to man, a power system so formidable had America not intervened with WW2 the USSR would have not only continued to wipe out Germany they would have taken all of Europe far more extensive than just “East Berlin” and “East Germany”.

(Daniel 11:39b) Whoever has given [The Anglo-American “King North” Globalist Elites] recognition [King North] will make abound with glory, and he will actually make them rule among many; and [the] ground he will apportion out for a price.

Is Trump giving this King North Globalist World Empire System “recognition”? Or is he trying to pull the US national system out of the GLOBALIZATION EMPOWERED “gathering of the nations” KN processes?

Is Trump trying to reverse the trend of US “King South”-type downslide since after the Cold War (Dan11:29) in 1990?

1990 is when this “King North” became totally recognizable in its THIRD United Nations Global Presentation which “New World Order” [designate] celebrated its “King Fierce” (Dan8:23) notable victory over the USSR uppity “King South” type.

Though this King North 666 8th King system will “cause to be killed all those who would not in any way worship the image of the wild beast” making Trump or anyone on Earth possibly one of these “all those” [people], we see the worship of the wildbeast also targets Christians in specific who observe the “faith of Jesus”:

(Revelation 14:9-12) And another angel, a third, followed them, saying in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the wild beast and its image, and receives a mark on his forehead or upon his hand, 10 he will also drink of the wine of the anger of God that is poured out undiluted into the cup of his wrath, and he shall be tormented with fire and sulphur in the sight of the holy angels and in the sight of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever, and day and night they have no rest, those who worship the wild beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name. 12 Here is where it means endurance for the holy ones, those who observe the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

Now since Bethel tries to say nationalism supporters are already 666 marked, although some of those people just observe Romans 13 allowance of God, (true, with some people very fanatical about it verging into Revelation 13 wildbeast nation-state type beast worship), we should distinguish that Revelation 17 “Scarlet Wildbeast” is COMPLETED WORLD GOVERNMENT 8th King worship and allegiance in final form of the future and it is the real final 666 final-marking process to become required by World Government Rev13:15-18 international law when that entity completes in the deep future of Revelation 17:8-18 for a “one hour” divinely permitted stint.

Thus, in spirit of resisting that coming World Government International Law, is Trump resisting the 666 with all his King South-Friendly anti-globalist antics and KS recovery plans?

Yet, in time, King North globalization processes will fully topple US/EU King South next as Daniel 11:41-43 gone-global to complete the Daniel 11:40 global invasion of KN Globalization into the KS national systems which has formed the final leg of the global “gathering of the nations” to Har-Magedon as it matures to said world government–for real. (Rev16:13-16)


Next, Daniel 8:13-14 will prove itself in JW Org judgment. It is Revelation 8:1-8 event parallel of the Temple Judgment of Zechariah 3:1-5, Malachi 3:1-5.

Apparently, Zechariah 3:1-3 has completed on the anointed and it is looking “befouled” at this time, but the inspection came on JWs as a “thief in the night” and the post 2001 UN NGO opportunity to repent has now passed:

(Revelation 2:20-23) “‘Nevertheless, I do hold [this] against you, that you tolerate that woman Jeze-Bethel, who calls herself a prophetess, and she teaches and misleads my slaves to commit fornication and to eat things sacrificed to [UN NGO] idols. 21 And I gave her time to repent, but she is not willing to repent of her [UN-NGO] fornication. 22 Look! I am about to throw her into a sickbed, and those committing adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of her deeds. 23 And her children I will kill with deadly plague, so that all the congregations will know that I am he who searches the kidneys and hearts, and I will give to you individually according to your deeds.

Inspection is over folks. Time for the Temple Judgment and that on “God’s house” FIRST:

(1 Peter 4:15-17) . . .However, let none of YOU suffer as a murderer or a thief or a pedophile or an evildoer or as a [GB-like] busybody in other people’s matters. 16 But if [he suffers] as a Christian, let him not feel shame, but let him keep on glorifying God in this name. 17 For it is the appointed time for the judgment to start with the house of God.. . .

Now rather than teach and observe such advice the lawless GB is:

1. Caught in bed with the UN dragging JWs into the lil’ orgy with the wild beast;

2. Caught harboring sexual predators in all the JW congregations by policies illegal to that of the “laws of the land”;

3. Being investigated as to how a 50 BILLION dollar religious empire can also be called a “charity” when they give no one nothing except to rebuild the KH Cash Cows in case of an earthquake to keep the 3 MILLION a day pouring in regularly from Daniel 11:32a duped JWs.

So, the only choice is for the GB to sell the JW Organization global-criminal prosecutions, well known by all now, as if “it is all persecution brothers! it must be “the end”, look no further! God down with the JW Org ship!” (Matt24:15)

The GB must cloak the JW Org downfall “trampling” of the temple judgment of Daniel 8:13-14 as “it is the end!!! IT IS THE END!!!”

Only problem is it is just the “sword stroke” of Revelation 13:3 in final form prior to its “healing” gloablly into said 8th King WORLD GOVERNMENT to complete the prophecy.

It will only be “the end” of the weedy Beth Hell “a system of things” of signal final apostasy of the modern final cycle inception of the judgment.

But this will all be news to 2Thess2:1-2 misled JWs, will it not?

So we have to be judged and cleansed for the recovery and the big disclosure with proof of our own downfall as Daniel 8:13-14 to start to kick off the big final appeal portion as the world heads towards world government in the Daniel 11:42-43 finality of the nation-state King South beign pawned 1005 by the King North Globalist Empire just prior to FULL WORLD GOVERNMENT!

Come on, no one could just make this all up!

It is the reality of the GB led apostasy among JWs.


[QUOTE who=”What about this”]Could Trump be God’s way of backing off the disgusting thing to allow people to flee to the mountains? Could he be there to expose and help people be saved? He may be buying time.. Not knowingly.. But nonetheless think of when the romans surrounded the jews then suddenly withdrew for no apparent reason.. God gave people the chance to be saved at that point.. This situation has similarities to that. [/QUOTE]

Well the disgusting thing must, as Christ indicated, be tied to a Daniel prophecy explicitly. It cannot be Dan9:26, and it cannot be Daniel 12:11 in specific form, in principle yes.

BUT the 1990 3rd UN presentation has to be Daniel 11:31b, no way would USSR “place the disgusting thing” since it is a rival world governmental system in all ways.

And rather than tell people and JWs about this Fred Franz was silenced and the GB went UN NGO instead. THAT is the modern “disgusting thing” “standing in a [real] holy place”. Christendom and the world are irrelevant when compared to a UN agreement in the anointed Christian ministry. There is NO EXCUSE POSSIBLE, even if they gave Bethel the whole UN Library, it is STILL wild beast worship.

Now a new option exists as we obviously see this is a JW set up hence the real Matthew 24:15 command to flee JW Org due to that UN NGO “transgression causing desolation” of Daniel 8:13 not yet erupted on the JW org as “trampling” “desolations” globally for the Daniel 8:14 timing, which is now REQUIRED due tot eh UN NGO MEGA-SIN.


1. What JWs want to hear;

2. That JWs and pretty much ALL Christians await the “peace and security” statement;

SO NOW they could use Trump to form a temporary upswing in US economy aiding the world economy, or some other development to then issue the FAKE “peace and security” then plunge into the “sword stroke” and Daniel 11″42-43 shortly thereafter.

This way all these 2Thess2:1-2 premature end delusion groups, including JWs, would think IN ERROR the next global downturn must be “the end”.

But as per Revelation 13:3 parallel Revelation 17:8-12 it HEALS into 8th KIng world government in time, instead.

1. For JWs the “the end” HOAX could be the perfect cover to desolate the JW Org as JWs just buy it all as the “the end of the world brothers! Look no further!!!”

2. Christendom, in general, is over-hyped with undue fear also paralyzed in the hoax.

Thus, the whole Christian complex is bamboozled and ignores Isaiah 41:1 and Revelation 13:3.

This delays the final warning which has to form when Daniel 8:14 runs its full course as 3.19 years minimum, 6.38 years possible, “evening” desolation to “morning” recovery phases. (Dan8:14,26)

The “light” of the “morning” recovery is the the same as the Revelation 9 abyss opened to free JWs, and the final “light up” of the then determined “five wise virgins” with the real final warning.

JWs will be recovered, how many are left is up to God and this temple judgment cycle. Plus, there will actually be plenty of time with huge world events to draw straggling sheep back in to the then “right condition” (Dan8:14; Zech3:4-5) temple ministry of the “second witnessing” of them TWO witnesses of Revealtion 11 completing the “seven times” in 2520 days form, 1260 days for witness 1 1914-1918, 1260 days for the final witness, witnessing 2, comign up in time.


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I’ve not witnessed it, personally. They seem to have about the same grasp of the bible, as a whole, as any other man made religion. As far as your professed religion goes, bible education is the lure, but not the purpose, Most are poorly trained magazine salesmen. But then, it’s free labor, right?


JW Prophecy outlines go beyond Greece and Rome which as far as Churches venture so as not to expose their 7th King pimps.

Now JWs went UN NGO so as not to expose their 8th King world governmentpimps by covering up THE FACT there WILL BE a complete 8th King KN world government for the ONE HOUR symbolic of Revealtion 17:12.

Not if there will be the rival world government to trigger Christ, but WHEN.

It is after this next global mega-“sword stroke”.

JWs have derailed after 7th King, but they did expose the 8th King [designate] “image”, but have not completed the testimony of Matt 24:14.

But they will after the discipline has met its purpose in the Daniel 8:13-14 events and timing of the modern temple judgment.

The churches are stalled in Rome,so as far as prophecy they are USELESS.

JWs have been the vanguard of prophecy truth so they are just requiring the Rev10:5-7 WRAP UP, so JWs are the most potentially “dangerous faith on Earth” to 8th King plans of being a big secret as long as possible.

At this time 8th King is very pleased with their JW UN NGO harlots and so they pamper them with much “smooth word” ear tickling from the KN-GB of Daniel 11:32a. But not for long. (Dan8:13-14)


Wow, so 500 guys in the Election Club dictate who is president huh?

And yet people whine about “voter fraud” of votes that do NOT elect the POTUS huh?

Nice diversion from the fact this is a sham “democracy”, merely veiled Globalist Fascist Corporate Communism in the making for world government.

NO ONE will “Make King South Great Again” or “Make the 7th King US Portion Great Again”. NO ONE, ti MUST fall soon, totally recognizable and global.

As per prophecy King South collapses into world government “healing” (Dan11:42-43; Rev13:3) and the 7th King only “remains a short while”, though it is not destroyed nor is that mentioned in Rev17:8-12, it gives way to King 1-2-3-4-5-6-7 >>>>>>>8! The “8th King” must rise beyond the UN “image” which is just its Executive Nucleus of said WORLD GOVERNMENT.

EASY 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8 math. Too difficult for JWs though.

And though this is EASY to piece together 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8, UN1-2-3-4 “placements”, them supposed “full-time Bible studiers” up at GB Bethel are all silent about world government, but all UN NGOd up instead! (Matt24:15)

RIDICULOUS! JWs are as lost as the world now!

WHAT a crock the whole thing is!

Daniel 8:13-14 and Daniel 11:41 come next on JWs.

But the GB will dupe JWs and tell them it is Daniel 11:44!



[QUOTE who=”Teresa Smith”]Please give me an honest answer.[/QUOTE]

There is a “hell”.

But its state is not “fiery”.

In fact even the animals are in hell, sheol, the common grave of EVERYTHING.

(Ecclesiastes 3:18-21) . . .I, even I, have said in my heart with regard to the sons of mankind that the [true] God is going to select them, that they may see that they themselves are beasts. 19 For there is an eventuality as respects the sons of mankind and an eventuality as respects the beast, and they have the SAME EVENTUALITY. As the one dies, so the other dies; and they all have but ONE SPIRIT, so that there is no superiority of the man over the beast, for everything is vanity. 20 All are going to ONE PLACE (HELL). They have all come to be from the dust, and they are all returning to the dust.

In fact the “same eventuality” is so similar in man and beast it prompted a question in Solomon’s mind, that if they are this much “one” perhaps they come back too?

21 Who is there knowing the spirit of the sons of mankind, whether it is ascending upward; and the spirit of the beast, whether it is descending downward to the earth?

Of course they do, they were also given to Christ from inception of the creation:

(John 6:39) 39 This is the will of him that sent me, that I should lose nothing out of all that he has given me but that I should resurrect it at the last day.

(1 Timothy 6:13) . . .In the sight of God, who preserves all things alive, and of Christ Jesus…


When Christ died and went to “hell” in the “heart of the earth”, he thus gathers all things in that exact state, but he being “indestructible life” (Heb7:16), the “SAME EVENTUALITY” OF man and beast, plainly stated by the God inspired King Solomon, is now the eventuality of eternal life.

Animals are so pure to Jehovah, he even REQUIRED THEIR BLOOD to cover HUMAN SINS! Human blood would be an insult to God!

In Daniel 11:41 the JW “Decoration” context will also be “entered” beyond just KN-GB infiltration (Dan11:32a) for the real King North Operations. But when Daniel 11:41 comes in the future on JW Org visible portion as well it will be as the Daniel 8:13-14 global “trampling” desolations global for the reason of the UN NGO “transgression causing desolation”. (Matt24:15)

It is all pretty easy to explain now, thenwhy all the GB silence???? For years???? So bad they tell JWs it is a “new simplification policy”??(WT3/15/15)

What Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses Silence Really Means

Thus, rather than explain all this the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses went on a “King North” concealing and aiding subversion campaign to conceal all this from JWs and their global audience very effectively as per Daniel11:30b and very successfully as per Daniel 8:12b:

1. The Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses became a UN covenanted UN NGO co-promoter of the 3rd UN goals, objectives and “public information” drawing all JWs into “worship of the wild beast” system even if in ignorance for it was a covert alliance unknown by JWs until 2001 when King North blew the whistle on the WTBTS UN NGO because they felt Bethel was becoming bad press bringing reproach on the UN. (Matt24:15)

2. The Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses did not reveal that 1990 3rd UN event as Daniel 11:31b and Daniel 8:23;

3. The Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses did not expose the fact that the REAL King North is “prove successful” (Dan11:36) globalism based world power final development towards world government, not the failed USSR which was just some more “nothing will succeed” (Dan11:27) nation-state based King South folly.

3. The Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses CONTINUES to conceal, “throw truth to earth” (Dan8:12b), global-information concerning World Government progress and its prophetic certainty, and the globalization process and effect on globalized nations, globalized NATO, globalized finance and globalized war and weapons technology is also silenced so JWs stay in the dark and help keep their audience in the dark too.

4. The Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses actually by all this malfeasance is actually the final signal apostasy of Daniel 11:32a:

”(Daniel 11:32) “And those who are acting wickedly against [the] covenant, [KING NORTH]  will lead into apostasy by means of smooth words.

And who are smoother talkers and wafflers than that Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses right? So essentially King North is in control of Jehovah’s witnesses at this time, hence Matthew 24:15 command of Christ to flee the apostatized UN “disgusting thing” standing JW city.

Expect ZERO real news from the GB ever!!

God will have to depose them with Daniel 8:13-14 next, as the 1Pet4:17 first step into “the judgment” revealing final cycle of Revelation’s Daniel prophecy wrap up, desolating and cleansing to recovering Jehovah’s’ witnesses (Rev8-9), informing them of this apostasy for final appeal warning purposes AS THE WORLD HEADS INTO “tribulation of those days” (Dan11:42-43) and 8TH KING KING NORTH WORLD GOVERNMENT! (Rev13:3; Rev17:8-12)

Thus, ICU-“King South” emergency measures that “Doctor Trump” is triage-targeting, with his nation-state meds, nurses, defibrillator paddles and anti-globalization adrenaline shots, may be being set up by King North as a global-example of what happens to those who resist the 666 supporting processes of World Government globalization “gathering” processes.

Apparently, Trump is attempting to try to reverse the  “gathering of the nations” in its US King South fishy to try to drag it out of the KN “Armageddon” Bag of Globalization; That could get very dangerous in time for Trump.

We will have to wait and see. It should get very interesting in the future as Knight Trump apparently is set to dance on the King North volcano, poking pikes at the face of the smoking Dragon, while the valiant hero sweeps out the not-so-virgin King South Damsel from fiery KN altar of nation-state sacrifice.

Spoiler alert.

(Daniel 11:42) she will not prove to be an escapee…


JW Current Apostate Status and Final Temple Judgment – Web Witnessing Record; The Bethel Apostasy is Prophecy

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