June 2018

[quote=’Brother Rando’ pid=’314581′ dateline=’1527158022′]

During Armageddon, the wicked are destroyed. How? They simply are not granted the ‘tree of Life’ which represents Jehovah’s Life Force. <~~~~~ Secret Revealed. The ‘wicked’ simply die off into an everlasting death in the same manner as Adam and Eve did…..
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Say what?

That Revelation 22 “tree of life” in the 144000 fully compete, descended to earth and defined complete Heavenly Jerusalem under King Christ is not available to anyone FORMERLY “Last Adamic” human until after the Satanic test, after the 1000 year reign of Christ.

It is as it would have been with Adam and the woman, a symbol of HUMAN IMMORTALITY— which is also offered to humans as it would have been Christ, but he resumed spirit form for his immortality, but he ate from that tree as world conqueror. Adam and the woman failed the tree of knowledge challenge from Satan, so the Edenic Tree of Immortality was barred from them or they could have become indestructible immortals, hence the text in Genesis. They failed, after the 1000 year reign perfect human beings will face a similar challenge and the same opportunity of immortality as well. Nice!

[quote]Revelation 22:14 Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city.[/quote]

WT is really getting self-deluded when compared to simple Bible logic. Obviously that is post Satanic test availability long after surviving the war of the great day of God the Almighty at Armageddon. This modern GB is in the great black darkness for a reason. (Dan11:32a) It really is quite strange the stuff they toss around today, poor guys.

Those who die at Armageddon are “killed with the long sword of [Christ’s] mouth”, they are NOT tossed into the lake of fire, they are eligible for the resurrection of the unrighteous, and that is why that distinction of the mode of their death is stated explicitly in the text:

[quote]Revelation 19:19-21 Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to wage war against the rider on the horse and his army. 20 But the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who had performed the signs on its behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. 21 [u][b][i]The rest[/i] were killed with the sword coming out of the mouth[/b][/u] of the rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh.[/quote]

We cannot assume that is the second death for that express reason stated in the text– eg, there is a difference in their method of destruction, not the lake of fire Gehenna, but Christ’s sword. They get resurrected. Goats are also determined after the 1000 year reign, even if this judgment also determines some of them, that “fire prepared for the Devil” is Gehenna “the lake of fire” and its final destruction of rebels takes place after the 1000 years, overall, to make the final determination and actually complete the world judgment. But, everything opens up anyways in its own time from God.
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Those who are counted as weeds are dying the second death now….. they are on fire now weeping and gnashing their teeth against the good news of God’s Kingdom, it is crushing opposers. They are bundled to be pitched into the fiery furnace, it’s a process. [b]The rest[/b], of those, who who do not violently oppose us, die the second death by coming against the absense of the preaching work. Why because it ends. All those outside are inner rooms are engulfed by the lake of fire…. it’s a process as they dying the second death in the same manner as Adam and Eve. So today who are they? Those who come against the good news. They do so in giving a rebuttal to what Christ’s teachings.

Christ’s teachings, God is a spirit (John 4:24)
The Rebuttal ~~~ God is a trinity, anything other than a Spirit… Paganism, Christendom, Atheism…… They are being bundled…gathered up for the pitching, once bundled they cannot escape their fate…that is why they weep and gnash their teeth at me… [b]I can see them on fire[/b]…it’s SPIRITUAL….

I actually stop sharing the good news with them on an individual basis to them for it would be like sharing the good news with a dead person.. and dead souls are unclean…

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That is all doom talk to coerce people by fear as a first resort. It turns some people away from the message which is THIS [GOOD NEWS]:

Revelation 14:6-8

[quote]6 And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, and he had everlasting good news to declare to those who dwell on the earth, to every nation and tribe and tongue and people. 7 He was saying in a loud voice: “Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of judgment by him has arrived, so worship the One who made the heaven and the earth and the seap and the springs of water.”

8 Another, a second angel, followed, saying: “She has fallen! Babylon the Greatq has fallen,r she who made all the nations drink of the wine of the passion* of her sexual immorality!”[/quote]

That is the post-Christ arrival sequence in Revelation 14:1 as the Kingdom Court (Dan7:26) is complete in Revelation 14:1-5, and that is to become reality in the future. THEN, Christ completes the final Daniel 12:11 period of 3.5 years as a sheep-sweep, which finishes his ministry as also “seven times” as seven years since 29 CE-33CE first pass 3.5 years. (God completes all things spiritual in sevens)

The Revelation 14:6-8 good news is ANYONE can respond to the angels of Christ and be saved come his arrival (Matt24:31), they are free to choose the Messianic Kingdom from God through Christ as their lawgiver henceforth and not the human counterfeit world government 8th King also complete by the time of Christ arrival into their “one hour” of permitted global sovereignty of Revelation 17:8-13.

Because “Babylon the Great” (Rev18; Rev17:8-18; Rev16:17-21) goes down under 8th King “ten horns” of [completed] globalized world government that Revelation 14:8 announcement of BTG completed deposition is stated AFTER the Revelation 14:6-7 Guaranteed Global Open Salvation Offer is taken forth to all human beings of Earth (Rev11:13 parallel)— that means as BTG is deposed, the last of God’s “my people” (Rev18:4; Rev11:13) are SAVED from religions of the world as their clubs are outlawed by world government— true, some must be goat-like, but many, a portion of that “great crowd” will be last second “sheep” who accept that Rev14:6-7 offer even to the very last second of that open salvation “final half of the week” (Dan9:27; 1260days+1290days “final open salvation week” Gen7:4 principle), the 1290 day period of Daniel 12:11; Dan7:26 parallel.

But the whole “great crowd” will accept that guaranteed offer of salvation and be put in Camp Sheep prior to Christ’s white horse King of kings conquest as he is also Kinged by God Almighty the Messianic Kingdom (only born in 1914) King-Priest AFTER world government completes because then the last of the true remnant is sealed by a successful 1260 days prelude announcement about all these things. (Dan12:11; Rev11:7-10)

Thus, the good news is more positive than a “you’re going to Gehenna” message, when even the unrighteous who do not accept that message can be resurrected as will Sodom’s inhabitants and many many people prior to the flood. WT uses the doom message as churches may use hellfire, to keep scared sheep handy for milking— but as with the other coercion tactics in various Christian religions, they are all untrue and not the real good news.

People can be drawn by positivity and God’s love better than threats of the “cave of robbers” in some religions. The judgment has to remove pure evil people, true, and the demons, but not everyone is this and Romans 2 also gives the guarantee even the ignorant, who obey their own conscience for good, WILL be saved too “come the day when God judges the secrets of mankind by Christ”.

There really is no need to be extorted and forced by doom and gloom and “eternal damnation” methods, we got the GOOD NEWS instead– so let us USE IT! There is no “end of the world” the earth just transitions smoothly into the 1000 Year Reign of the King of kings and Prince of Peace Jesus Christ, as long promised by God Almighty Himself. True, there are some bumpy spots on the ride, but Christ atkes his trophy planet and all goes well for life on Earth, rival sovereign is deposed in world government, life goes on FOREVER— no “end of the world” except a fake one:

Revelation 13:3 Paraphrased

[quote]And I saw one of his heads as IF “the end of the world”; [but doomsday did not come as expected] instead the nations were healed: and all the world wondered after the beast [world government “savior”].[/quote]

In truth is, it is instead GREAT NEWS even now! Much better than tales of total eternal annihilation for the average person if they don’t join some religious club— we with Christian knowledge are in far more danger if we do not speak the truth of the GOOD NEWS.

Let God be the judge as Father of all, and His motto is “mercy exults triumphantly over judgment” by virtue of the atonement of His OWN SON, to save many even in retroactive form on the spot, to the last second, for those who try to do the right thing— Christ must expend more energy to save those people, than he did to secure the sacrificial death in the first place. WHY go through all that trouble to focus instead on eternal annihilation to “entice” people with morbid undue fear of something manmade?

So Jesus will not, he will focus on the “everlasting good news” of eternal salvation as people are guided to waters of life out of the complex of sin and error which causes death in the first place and its incomplete understanding by the one who was there from day 1 (Genesis 1:1), and knows all this physical planetary life system stuff forwards, backwards and upside down every which way to Sabbath, for he too “has life within himself” as does the Father, and LIFE for everything forever is his goal.

The Reign of Christ may be 1000 years long, but it is a million years high and a billion years wide and a trillion years deep with all he will do— Matt19:28; Rev21-22.

Even animals in Ecc3 Sheol will also be EMPTIED from death and Hades (Rom8:18-22), that is how big his love and connection to life on Earth is. (Heb2:14) Sadly, some religions starts cashing checks and storing up riches and building grain houses off the sheep and they need fear to keep the tithes flowing in, and because of that small-hearted view, they soon devolve into another lie. (2Thess2:11-12)

The good news is Christ will give full 1260 days warning. Soon, events on JWs as the temple judgment of Daniel 8:13-14 will manifest well before even world government 8th King and Christ will make the OPEN SALVATION OFFER to eventually come from his holy angels known to all possible (Matt10:23), before those holy angels take it forth in post-Christ arrival to all those people AND the ones that got missed by “human means”. (Matt10:23) It will be a Kingdom back angelic empowered global APPEAL! (Rev14:6-7)

The Messianic Kingdom completes in the future by anointed completing the final 1260 days mission of the ‘last witnessing” of the TWO witnesses of Revelation 11 (Rev11:2-3), and that MESSIANIC Kingdom completion certainty will also get a “Kingdom Proclamation” and in time, Jehovah’s witnesses, as IBSA Witness 1 did prior, must “prophesy AGAIN with regard to [all the nations]” as per Revelation 10:11 as Witnessing 2, TWO witnesses, to announce the “good news brought to a finish” into a full summary of Revelation 10:5-7.

JWs will not expose 8th King World Government completion requirement of the future, it is the last Bible prophecy symbol that also requires full explanation— so, a crash course (Zech3:2; Rev8) will be given to JWs to get back into that Daniel 8:14 “right condition” before the 8th King King North completes world government which triggers Christ arrival, when a heads-up will be most useful.

This time Revelation 1:1 states we must know these things BEFORE they take place, waiting until after world government would be— too late.

Good news it is, soon “everlasting good news” for many.
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Did you see this?
A new Egypt-Russia deal will see the creation of an ‘industrial zone’ in the Suez, promising to revive Egypt’s struggling economy while granting Russia exclusive access to the strategic region.
https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/news/2018/5/24/egypt-russia-sign-7bn-deal-for-suez-industrial-zone

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I’ll take a look. Now for the Russia KN HOAX effect we may see Satan maneuver things back to the original KN/KS lands such as Syria and Egypt to make the Russia=KN fake prophecy look real, if it goes that way for the final “sword stroke” of Rev13:3. Now KN must be globalism based world government in progress the whole time since 1914 and Daniel 11:27. USSR cannot be KN they failed and failed Daniel 11:36 requirement of success, which the globalist will have all the way to world government. So Russia and the US involved in those old lands can become deceptive for those who do not know KN is also the 8th King now in progress to final signal world government. If it goes Russia vs. US then the GB will say it is Daniel 11:44 activating, BUT in reality it is a sword stroke that heals into global government— and Daniel 11:41-43 is the fall of nation-state system King South (Anglo-American national lead) in that sword stroke. KN (globalism system lead) will end up ruling as world government in the long run, all nations “gathered” by globalization into “Har-Magedon” global situtation and condition of total KN 8K globalization world government.

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[quote=’Goldenrain’ pid=’284634′ dateline=’1491378072′]
Apparently the JW cult believes only 144,000 of their lot will make it into heaven. So presumably a selection process will take place, and those that don’t make it will join the rest of us in hell?

If so few are going to be invited through the Golden Gate, why are they always trying to get more converts, it doesn’t make any sense to me?
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No. “Hell” is emptied by Christ it is not some 2nd “destination”. The “rest of us” live on planet Earth forever is what JWs teach. The 144000 is a Kingdom Court under Christ for a governmental purpose in the 1000 year reign of Christ. I am not a Jehovah’s witness as a religious label, I am not religious, I am one as a mission, I do have faith in God and Christ.

Nowadays you will find JWs do not even know what they believe and the WTBTS has called this dumb-down campaign a simplification of teachings with bunches of little tweaks here and there— so no one, not elders or JWs, really know what WTBTS teaches because it changes in little strange ways almost daily.

You would be better off reading Fred Franz era JW pubs from 1960 to 1980 or so. That is what JWs used to think they believe as far as developed theology of WTBTS. But the Daniel 2 sovereign prophecy among JWs is all verifiable history now, so that is all the truth. But JWs will not complete the very last Bible prophecy symbol and its universal implication:

8th King King North World Government completion to trigger Christ arrival.

So, in a word by their own JW definitions, JWs have gone apostate, they have shrunk back into silence and like a cult the only venerate the GB and their words that all are worshiping Jehovah through Christ, but it is really all GB focused since 1976.

So, I would not expect much JW response on this teachings, the fire has gone out. (Matt25:1-13) And that is no opinion, the JW Titanic is just moving by momentum of 1950, it is not doing anything but drifting aimlessly with billions of dollars in laid up riches as, obviously, the real goal, like 30-50 billion net worth, conservative.

THAT, imo, is part of the reason how and why it has devolved in such striking manner today. (Dan11:32a; 2Thess2:1-4; Zech3:3) JWs are now just a sort of play, an act of former JW zeal of say 1930. In fact them old school JWs were so empassioned, that is what even keeps this modern WT farce afloat today— but that will burn out too. (Dan8:13-14)

Red flags are all over that place. (Matt24:15 UN NGO, for example) JWs are just another church act now. That is why I left in 2012. My own conscience cannot accept what JWs condone and certain falsehoods and manmade laws they promote. So, I left and am very happy I got off the Titanic at the last port I could jump.

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[QUOTE=”Alison_P, post: 473518, member: 19355″]I’m not really sure if this is the right sub forum to discuss this topic but what I wanted to know is that are natural disasters such as; Floods, Tsnaumis, Earthquakes, Hurricanes, Cyclones, Tornados etc all part of God’s wrath? And are these signs of the End Times?[/QUOTE]

They are signs of the side effects of the sin of Eden— they are a result of human caused imbalances in the earth system by various means of “destroying the earth” as in Revelation 11:15-18. Not that God cannot use such things, but at this time under Satan’s rule it is Satan who uses such things to attempt to get people, as he did Job, to start to take issue with and blame God— essentially to attack human FAITH (Rev14:12). Jesus calmed storms, yes God caused a small earthquake as a sign when Christ died, but Jesus will calm ALL THE STORMS soon. God does not use misery in this world, Satan does.

When the 1000 Year reign, (but a million miles high and wide) comes, all these destructive forces exacerbated by human and demon mismanagement of Earth will cease. Jesus knew this, so yes his saying “earthquakes in one place after another” is because he knew human activities, such as massively heavy cities on tectonic plates, would have these effects as the massiveness of these things grew over time, not to mention HAARP technology aided manmade earthquakes.

So, that form of “natural disaster” increased frequency is a feature in the sign of the last days. All the rivals have to do now is complete a world government “8th King” and that will trigger Christ arrival to settle this sovereign dispute permanently. That takes several more years and Revelation 13:3 and Revelation 17:8-18 and Daniel 11:41-45 to fulfill as it completes the Revelation 17 Scarlet Wildbeast “8th King” aka King North of Bible prophecy IN THE FUTURE.

As in Romans 13 since Genesis 10, God is who founded the nations and their governments for a season, He has no problem with their sovereign rule in general, of course they are imperfect, but a little law is better than none.

BUT God did NOT sanction a human/demon based World Government, that will cross the line [in the future] because God already has a King in Christ and his Messianic Kingdom to rule this Earth (Ps2): we do not need bankers, politicians and warlords to help run the Kingdom of Christ. So, when they do come as 8th King World Government [in the future] Christ will be the first to fire them, but he will do that Global Sheep Sweep of Matthew 24:31 BEFORE he deposes his sovereign rival. We have time, not much, but enough, my GUESS is world government by 2030 after 1 more “sword stroke” world war as Revelation 13:3, just my speculation.

Good day in Jesus Christ the King God has appointed for very good reason to take over this planet come the time they cross that line in the sand.

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[quote=’Brother Gerald’ pid=’314751′ dateline=’1527307017′]
Why do you think the devil fights so hard. We know he has been in heaven, and that the devils believe and tremble. The Angels are greater in power and might than the devils, so they know they are going to be defeated in the end, yet they fight hard. Paul said when he would do good, he found evil present in Romans 7, then he said that evil caused him to do what he didn’t want to do, so the devil fights hard. We know he fought Jesus according to the scriptures, yet Jesus won that bout. I wondered if anyone had any thoughts on why he fights so hard to get folks to sin.
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1. What else is there to do for them?

2. They are not human, so “fight hard” is not what they do, it is easy for them they have huge amounts of power and energy and need no sleep, etc.

But since being cast from Heaven they have had to intensify the developments to world government here on Earth. But there is time one could say they are not vigilant enough, like when they missed the Christ birth by a couple years.

And there are other fails of their’s so they are also preoccupied with human sin because they are the first angelic sinners who architected the entire human sin complex as in Genesis 6— so they too are addicts to all kinds of sinning, but they do not die and can assume many bodies to aid their appetites. The materializations would be one form they could discard or renew as needed, looks human but is not really human. The possession stuff takes on voluntary and involuntary and the host body can have limitations but being human it dies.

So there addictions may also drive what you called working hard, they know no real peace now.

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[quote=’TempleJudgment’ pid=’314723′ dateline=’1527286658′]

Well as far as Christian faiths, a point they can all agree on imo, is that God is not revealed in a formula or a proof per se, but by faith. To all Christians I think, faith in God is under attack by Satan the Devil a mere cherub of high standing at one time in Ezekiel 28:12.

So according to that logic, not a proof, all this argument against God and thus faith in God is just part of the grander story of Christianity. It is the same argument the Christian world has known for almost 2000 years. It just makes it all the more real in that context. But of course, people must choose to believe what they have ascertained since arriving from Mom’s Airport to Earth.
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The thread is not dead after all! 🙂

Catholic school emphasized that faith in Christianity requires first logically accepting the existence of God as necessary, and next identifying Christianity as the one true religion based on the testimony of scripture and finally Catholicism as the correct form of Christianity based on history. Once those were accepted as logically reachable truths, then faith in the ‘unseen’ supernatural realities was justified. Otherwise there would be no way to distinguish between the faith of the Hindu, the Muslim, the Native American etc. They would all say their belief is based on faith.

It was deep study of scriptures and the realization of just how and why they came about that led me away from faith in Christianity. It was deep study of the arguments supporting the existence of God that led me to the position I espouse in this thread. Does that make me an agent of Satan? 😉

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She is only sleeping. Talitha has been resurrected. LOL

That is their first mistake, the Middleman Syndrome. What I mean is faith in >God<, not faith in a religious system middleman banker. So, there is no “true religion” in my view, I am not religious, but there is a “FAITH of Jesus Christ” (Rev14:12) I do practice. And putting religion in its place helped me develop more faith in God Almighty.

And I think that clever bait and switch by these now billion dollar religions is what confuses issues of faith for others, not to mention what I view as various attempts at Bible monopolization these groups try to secure even if just in teaching. Thus, their brand of “heaven” and “salvation” seems to devolve into a commercial effort and those things get distorted by what are really “Christian League” Spiritual Football Teams in all tese religions, spiritual medieval battle-like armies. They seem to play nice now, but not in 1500, and in some of those groups teachings they all condemn each other, they have issued a comprehensive condemnation on each other, LOL.

HG Wells once spoke of a time there were like 3 Popes I think, and they all excommunicated each other, he said, my best guess at his words, “The Christian world had squarely damned itself”. It is in the Outline of History and it stuck in my head. Religions are just opinions for sale and a social group, which I am not condemning, it has its limitations and it is a “middle man” when none is required. It, to me, is not worthy of faith, it will fail, why put faith in it I said to myself, it is made up of human beings. LOL

To me the Bible is not opinions, it is the Word of God in my faith, not “religion”, and so I trust it even if at times there were some doubts they faded due to its sovereign prophecy timeline and continuum of Dan2,7,8,11-12 and Rev 13 and 17 which is probably like 3 pages 12 pt text. That simple continuum to world government as the convergent terminus of the whole symbols in those prophecies, could not be invented by some human writer on their own, in my view.

But, in the meantime, I find what people CAN AGREE on and work from there. Being a former Jehovah’s witness as far as a football club, I have seen how religions devolve, so I came to view my still being a Jehovah’s witness or witness for God as more of a job or a mission, a free agent— rather than a religion. Now JWs may shun me, but no matter, my conscience is why I can’t be a cheerleader for that team anymore. BUT I came to fully realize it does not make God and Christ and the Bible also impotent or their future purpose for planet earth null.

(I am saying this because of the positive effects I had by keeping faith in Christianity or faith in religion and faith in >>>God<<< distinct; As with Israel, religions don’t just tend to go bad, they always go bad once they reach a certain scale as far as one that used to be sincere, imo)

Thus, I changed certain types of behavior when viewing (interacting with) people of other religions and “worldly” backgrounds, as in agnostic or atheist or undecided or whatever. And rather than see them as some doomed potential enemy, I started seeing what we could agree on and just keep it going from there, because arguments are like a dead end, worse, the car disintegrates and the taxi driver and the supposed passenger both walk home in different ways. Discussion ceases as does learning given the nature of some “discussions”. (Like the heated debates my mom had with my dad, and she said “we were discussing” things— at 90 db, LOL)

Even if there is not millions of things a mix of people can agree on, I have found there is always a few things and where that can go can vary. Being free from the modern JW guilt-fear-mission-from-God mindset, I have a freer view of other people regardless of their background, you never know when someone may have a change of mind and see things devoid of the religious middleman which to me, in its deepest sense, has been God’s greatest enemy in reality.

I think some people have mistaken their loss of faith in religion for loss of faith in God, when it was just misdirected faith from the start.

Define “Agent of Satan” please. LOL

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No, those who have faith in Jehovah and in the sacrifice of his Son will be saved. Narrow and cramped is the road leading to life and few are the ones finding it. Are you still going to debate how many survive the end? In Noah’s time a whole world was removed except 8 people.. I don’t think you have a grasp one what really is going to transpire against this world. The standards of Jehovah are much higher than you think. His people if they survive will do so because Jehovah extends mercy upon them and also because they made a good name with him for themselves.[/QUOTE]

Jesus already gave the illustration and of those who did not like the paycheck. The 11th hour workers can come in in the last second of Rev14:6-7, and they get the same pay as lifetime employees: LIFE. But some are too small hearted to appreciate it at that time, but it does not change the outcome. We cannot judge the people or size of the great crowd and we have Romans 2. The GB who trounce God’s standards are who install this idea no one can make it but them as faithful. Many people have developed faith in Christ I have been to the church forums and he can also forgive religious sins of error as many from BTG are saved as it is destroyed under world government. Rev14:6-7 is a big open salvation offer from angels to all humans, some accept that post-Christ arrival offer.

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[quote=’Brother Gerald’ pid=’314787′ dateline=’1527348334′]
[quote=’TempleJudgment’ pid=’314752′ dateline=’1527307686′]
[quote=’Brother Gerald’ pid=’314751′ dateline=’1527307017′]
Why do you think the devil fights so hard. We know he has been in heaven, and that the devils believe and tremble. The Angels are greater in power and might than the devils, so they know they are going to be defeated in the end, yet they fight hard. Paul said when he would do good, he found evil present in Romans 7, then he said that evil caused him to do what he didn’t want to do, so the devil fights hard. We know he fought Jesus according to the scriptures, yet Jesus won that bout. I wondered if anyone had any thoughts on why he fights so hard to get folks to sin.
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1. What else is there to do for them?

2. They are not human, so “fight hard” is not what they do, it is easy for them they have huge amounts of power and energy and need no sleep, etc.

But since being cast from Heaven they have had to intensify the developments to world government here on Earth. But there is time one could say they are not vigilant enough, like when they missed the Christ birth by a couple years.

And there are other fails of their’s so they are also preoccupied with human sin because they are the first angelic sinners who designed the entire human sin complex as in Genesis 6— so they too are addicts to all kinds of sinning, but they do not die and can assume many bodies to aid their appetites. The materializations would be one form they could discard or renew as needed, looks human but is not really human. The possession stuff takes on voluntary and involuntary aspects and the host body can have limitations but being human it dies.

So there addictions may also drive what you called working hard, they know no real peace now.
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Thank you for your post. Very good points. Being addicted to sin, they persuade folks to sin with them. Do you have any idea what their motivation might be other than maybe entertainment? I know the scriptures teach that their slaves have no sleep unless they cause someone to fall. Proverbs 4:16 This is what the devils do to folks who are his children. But why do they do that? Are they just driven by their sin?
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Your welcome, it’s a great question, I have really wondered about it myself. Since Eden Satan (and thus the demons) is trying destroy God’s sovereignty over humans, that is their chief goal, to get ALL humans to turn on God Almighty. Sinning is just part of that overall objective. But they want it to become a global institution, a Kingdom of Satan to try to get all in condemnation as a whole, in a few generations it would be global, but God cuts it short.

(That fails, but they tray anyways as you stated earlier) God cuts it short because Satan knows he has a short period and destruction of all life is really his goal (Matt24:21-22) before he is abyssed, in the meantime, try to get all humans to sin seriously against God before they die— ALL humans is the attempt, it gets more severe in the future.

The demons are breaking God’s law, spurning His sovereignty— and that is what they want to draw people in as well, because that keeps willing people on the wrong side of the law of God. This, imo, their strategy serves their own sinning but it meets their primary goal to turn all against God and had it not been for Jesus Christ’s sacrifice man would have no chance as Adam is passed to all from conception and so is that curse— the one removed in Rev22:1-3.

So, by keeping people willingly sinning it keeps the curse effects of sin constantly active. God’s purpose is blessed sinless perfection in all humanity willing, that is when there is no curse, but the blessing comes instead.

The one in Psalm 133, Genesis 12 and 22 through the seed which is first, Christ Eternal Father then his “seed” Bride (Heb2:14) which will then be implied but actual and complete Eternal Mother, they guide mankind into Last Adam basis of human being (Rev21-22), a NEW sinless father as Christ was as a perfect human being: Last Adam, for a reason.

Thus, the demons want to keep humans under the curse, they are diametric to God Almighty and his sovereignty in purpose in ALL ways, with a grander global goal of the future.

As with the 666 (Rev13:15-18; Rev14:9-11), demons have a future goal to try to force humans as a whole to reject God and the Kingdom by a global counterfeit true “8th King” “scarlet wildbeast” for “one hour” symbolic of a short, but necessary, global rule. (Rev17:8-13)

The UN is just the “image” and “nucleus” of that sole global sovereignty, it is not the whole “8th King” which is coming, and, when completed in the future it will attempt the Revelation 13:15-18 and Revelation 14:9-11 comprehensive “marking” of humanity as an attempted whole to choose them rather than God’s Messianic Kingdom of Christ as earth’s rulership. Same goal of curse by sinning willingly, but at global comprehensive scale.

But, they fail as far as getting the whole pie, but that is what their goal is and why they “fight so hard” as you put it which is true, they always feel they have some chance, they are driven in hatred against God and Satan’s envy of God— but as it is stated Christ came to “BREAK UP the works of the Devil” so God will alter their comprehensive course to one which affects only so many people.

Thus, that demon attempt will not get the “great crowd” who come out of that future period which must be under globalized government “8th King” in the future— they produce them “four winds of the earth” from human means, because God does not “hold back” things He purposes, he holds their final agenda progress back until all anointed are anointed and affirmation sealed and we are going into an anointed depletion (Matt25:1-13, again)— there will be more anointed needed and this is why the JW anointed participation numbers have been rising lately.

But as Christ said “you will hear of wars and reports of wars, do not be terrified, for the end is NOT yet”. (Matt24:6; Luke 21:9) The end of the system of things does NOT come with global chaos and war, read Luke 21:9 “and disorders”, it comes under 8th King World Government “world peace everyone!” as 1 Thessalonians 5:1-3 in the future as a huge proclamation mantra of the 8th King sole global sovereign rival.

So, when a bad “sword stroke” develops in the future do NOT think it is “the end”, for it is not, it runs its foretold course of Rev13:3 into a global “healing” into 8th King globalized power, they must go into a global sovereign defiance worldwide for the nations are globalized “gathered” into that situation. (Rev16:13-16) (You may doubt this now, make a copy and see the future unfold as per prophecy in the corrected sequence)

Under complete world government is when the “four winds” “of the earth”, that is human global-design, is unleashed in their final 8th King agenda. And as per Daniel 8:25 this is how “he brings many to ruin, during a freedom from care” or “during a time of [peace and] security”. They speak world peace with one hand, they do selective four wind destructions with the other, at the same time, simultaneously, when under complete 8th King world government.

But a final warning will have emerged in the sword-stroke to healing phase coming up, so in time all this gets explained for a final “last witness” 1260 days in the future, the second of them “TWO witnesses” of Revelation 11.

Thus, the demons will amp up their effort to trounce God’s sovereignty as expressed through his chosen King Christ by a globalized government sole authority to attempt to get EVERYONE.

8th King world government is not one of those national “superior authorities” of Rom13, it is fully illegal. God is who founded the allowance of the national governments in a “relative position” because though imperfect some law is better than no law. BUT He did not sanction world government except under the Messianic Kingdom of Christ.

They must cross that global sovereign line in the future as a whole stated sovereign system, world government, 8th King.

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8th King World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and “world peace” stated (1Thess5:1-3; Dan12:11), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.
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Satan’s goal is to “globalize the nations to Har-Magedon” under a sole global authority in the future (Rev16:13-16), it takes several more years. And that is the demon goal in zenith form to attempt to get all to reject God. But as per Revelation 14:6-8 open salvation offer as BTG goes down under world government, Christ by superhuman holy angelic means, gives the choice to all people during the global sheep-sweep, sheep securing process of Matthew 24:31 before he conquers the 8th King Scarlet Wildbeast— So, he will continue to “break up the works of the Devil” to the day he crushes Satan’s head. (Gen3:15; Num24:17)

In the meantime it is a dirty fight, NOTHING is off limits as far as Satan getting in and attempting to fully subverting the truth of the matter. (Dan11:32a) But as in Daniel 8:13-14 which must have a future fulfillment, Christ breaks up that Satanic objective as well, for the final warning to become reality as God is who “causes my two witnesses to prophesy 1260 days dressed in sackcloth”.

As per Revelation 10:11 after the temple cleansing of Daniel 8:14, Jehovah’s witnesses who make that cut, will have to “prophesy AGAIN with regard to [all] the nations”, because IBSA was the “first witness” (in that two witness principle, witness 1), now JWs have to do it official as well, for a “second witnessing” of them TWO witnesses.

And that 1260 days of the future, plus the one of the past 1914-1918, completes 2520 days as also “seven times”, Rev11 “seven times” as Christ said “Jerusalem will be trampled by the nations until the appointed times of the nations are fulfilled” and that appointed times is plural, because it was 2520 years seven times that led to 1914 which began the 2520 days “seven times” to complete the dual nature of that “seven times”. The future 1260 days by Jehovah’s witnesses will complete that final 2520 days “seven times”.

(The Revelation prophecy “seven trumpets” and plagues repeats. That is why this works, and as it repeats all “seven times” completes in the final “time, times and half a time” 1260 days cycle of the future.)

All outlined here will affirm itself as we enter this final Revelation fulfillment cycle of Rev8-11, Rev 8 is Daniel 8:13-14, Zech3:1-5. Then comes the recovery for final warning purposes as the world heads towards a complete 8th King King North World Government final demon attempt to turn all against God and their own salvation.

[quote=’Brother Gerald’ pid=’314833′ dateline=’1527390864′]

So you think that they are trying to break the word of God and make it not come to pass to their end as they know that in the word they are defeated? And that would be why they fight so hard, maybe trying to get numbers against God and thus plan to break the word? Yet John a great servant of God, Prophesied about their best efforts being defeated in heaven, and also their demise. Yet we also find, the devils believe and tremble. In Job, we find the head of devils, ole satan, admits to God that he can’t touch Job because of the hedge God has around Job, so the devil knows he can’t overpower God. I see where you are coming from, and I think I understand your, why, unless I miss your meaning.
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Yes, you have that as part of my demon goal comments meaning correct in what you say “break the prophecy fulfillment”; Yes. Like when they tried to kill Christ as a toddler rather than let the challenger have his shot. They tried to break the prophecy fulfillment, but failed. Day late, dollar short, every time.

Yes, Demon Goal: keep the 144000 incomplete (in anointings and affirmation sealings) which means the Messianic Kingdom could not complete, it being required under Christ its basis but upon a 144000 complete Court and “Bride of Christ” in totality– in the meantime, rush in 8th King world government before the prophetic warning can complete, 3 strikes, get final anointed Christians and earth Christians disqualified by default fail. But, the demons will fail instead, but that is their goal in this time.

The Messianic Kingdom was only born in 1914 it still must mature to completion and receive a proclamation– it is different than God’s Kingdom in Daniel 2, The (now immature, incomplete) Messianic Kingdom of Christ is the one with the express Earthly sovereign agency by the covenant with David and God– it rules Earth, God’s Kingdom rules heaven and everything else under it.

The last Bible prophecy symbol in the whole symbology of Daniel 2 “immense image”, Dan 7 4th beast, Dan 8 KFIC , Dan 11-12 (King North) equates to Rev17 Scarlet Wildbeast as the last, 8th King world government which must be explained publicly, at this time JWs are in a stall, that is part of the final warning it is the last 1% of the prophecy which MUST Rev10:5-7 be TOTALLY SUMMARIZED in the future, 100%. Up to that point, Jehovah’s witnesses have fully explained the sovereign prophecy continuum up to 7th King Anglo-American [national] power and the UN ‘image— but we have [globalism] basis of world government to also connect to prophecy, the final prophecy portion now unexplained.

“8th King” is the terminus of all prophecy and it all converges with that 8th King meaning, in the end, in the future. King North, KFIC, Dan2 image, Dan 7 4th beast, all are the 8th King in their completed progressions, the 8th King must make a global sovereign claim in completion BEFORE Christ arrives. They are world government as the totality of their symbols, the WHOLE thing= world government in those respective prophecies.

So you are correct, if this was all a slam dunk and 1914 was the end all, it would be OK, but it is not, there is a homestretch final leg yet to fulfill as sword stroke to full world government (Rev13:3 creates “abyss” of Rev17:8-13 into full world government, in time), not “the end” as some will imagine in 2Thess2:1-2 error There is a temple judgment for this last cycle timed as Daniel 8:13-14 to produce the “right condition” for that final warning. If Satan and the demons could subvert this as they are now, then the spiritual aspects would be forfeited— but they fail. (Rev11:3; Zech4:6-9)

But because there is a chance in the demon mind, they will push it anyways– it is what they do until they are abyssed and that is why they must be totally incarcerated.

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[quote=’Brother Gerald’ pid=’314914′ dateline=’1527479224′]

Guess I can’t blame the devils for trying, yet to me that is so stupid. They know the power of God. There is no defeating Him. As you say they have failed every time they tried. I would not want to be without God for God knows that evil will destroy itself, as will the devils because they won’t listen to God who can help them to survive, yet they chose to be without God not thinking they would destroy themselves, yet that is their end with the second death.
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Yes, they must become the epitome of all the negative words, they lacked faith in the power of God Almighty who creates reality and its perception, To God it is not “foreseeing the future” it is CAUSING the future, but it is fine to sat He sees it for He does, He makes it. So, with that kind of power it is hard to not call stupid, angels who tried to break the sovereign principle, not of God’s might or even intelligence but of a stated purpose for humans and Eden among the angels, now recorded in the Bible.

They don’t care if they are destroyed as long as they get God to break principle, but He offered up his own Son into the mix, so there is nothing they can do to provoke him to do that. They are not powerful in evil enough, but it is enough for God to eventually nullify them as if a retroactive abortion— they will be so gone and forgotten as if they never existed once God is done with them.

But back in Eden they had some confidence, it seemed sealed up but right away Abel threw a thorn in Satan’s boots. And from there is has been one big headach battling that Genesis 3:15 “seed” arrival, and now mission accomplished. Within 4000 years their fates were sealed in principle because the perfect human genome in Christ can replace the fallen Adam which must go extinct, but in controlled manner— thus a future systemic death checkmate can never occur again, anything bad is just lopped off, it cannot affect all humanity ever again.

But worse, Christ secured the power to be able to Heb2:14 “bring the Devil to nothing” by a divine sanction that must be carried out, and when Satan was cast there are other effects with that sealed fate, that they know in a new way their time is short for this period and the next.

Because these are superhumans a change in will is backed by massive intellectual powers, so unlike humans, when a choice is made as they did in league against God, they do not weaken, all their energy is as if renewed perpetually, it is easy for them to maintain the power to resist because it is a true freewill choice in them, and being angelic they have a star’s energy to back that decision within a perfect angelic body because apparently their sin does not cause systemic breakdown— they could rule Earth another 6000 or 60000 years and be fine with it. But, they gotta go before the last day of this “week” timeframe. Jws seem to have forgotten what they are dealing with in these guys, because it has slowed down as far as staying awake.

But, in any event, the only man this depended on and he depended on God, is Jesus Christ. Even in imperfect humans it is God who “causes my two witnesses to prophesy 1260 days”, so, he cannot be stopped but these events must unfold upon the current JW stall as Daniel 8:13-14. If you ever though as I did in 2011, that something is not quite right in the JW ministry and organization, you are correct. It is the subversion of Daniel 8:12 and the globalist intel from KN, of Daniel 11:32a. The leading drive in this ministry and its light died when Fred Franz changed venue, 1992. Satan go it in: Zechariah 3:1-3.

Now a new punch from the devils next wind is coming to remind JWs who we and they are fighting. (Dan11:41) But, it wakes many people up: matt25:1-13; Hag2:7 because the global context, as in 1914, will be very distracting. (Rev13:3)

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[quote=’Brother Gerald’ pid=’314962′ dateline=’1527525439′]

Yeah, there are some bad things coming, but the Christians will persevere. God will make a way of escape for His people. He knows everything He is going to do, everything all evil is going to do, and He knows the results. That is why those who do believe put their trust in Him.
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Yes, it is another weed wheat determination to form the final proclamation basis.

[quote]Daniel 11:32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he [KN] corrupt by smooth words: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.[/quote]

As we see in the above there is a final apostasy but those who know their God also prevail.

Then Daniel 11:33-35 speaks of stumbling for refinement and this is active today up until Daniel 8:13-14 makes the determination with a timed verification— contrary to popular belief, that prophecy is the temple judgment final cycle marker and is yet to occur.

There is one final Bible prophecy symbol that too must be explained fully: 8th King King North World Government [before] it completes and enters its Rev17:12 “one hour” of globalized rule in the future. We have several more years, the “end of the world” hype is just a distraction from that incompletion now present. (Rev2:2 was Christ’s first commendation of Rev2-3)

This is why at this time JWs say a failed USSR is King North, but it can only be globalism based world government as King North and it is so obvious the JW nondisclosure must be on purpose from the KN leadership running the ministry for that purpose since UN 1990 is Daniel 11:31b, and it has not been explained either but it is a basis of UN1-2-3-4 prophecies to world government as UN placement 4 as the nucleus Executive Branch of a larger world government system in the future. That entity when complete triggers Christ arrival.

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I think it is Jehovah’s witnesses who at this time cannot face their UN NGO “transgression causing desolation” of Daniel 8:13 (Matt24:15) in regard to that 1990 3rd UN presentation and prophecy of Daniel 11:31b which they will not expose for what it is (but they did take part in its global public information campaign in their constant feature as UN NGO). Nor will they expose King North as globalism based future world government now in progress; a failed USSR cannot apply Daniel 11:36 or Daniel 11:42-43. So, Matthew 24:15 applies to the modern JW apostasy and its UN NGO “disgusting thing standing in a holy place” and its organizational locale as claimant anointed Christian “temple”. Because of mass lawlessness in JWs (2Thess2:1-4), they are now on the defensive with all the other GB scandals they are damage controlling full time now on the Web.

But that UN NGO ride on the beast is what will bring the Daniel 8:13-14 “trampling” on the JW org globally for a set time period for future verification the final temple judgment cycle also “starts with God’s house”. (1Pet4:17; Zech3:1-5) JWs are under inspection as Zechariah 3:1-3 and “befouled garments” is what the Angel of the Covenant has noted. Time for a “right condition” temple cleansing of Daniel 8:14 parallel Revelation 8 and Zechariah 3:4-5. But, the JW Log will be snatched from that coming fire. (Zech3:2; Hos1:4-7; Rev9) The JW field has gotten very weedy. (Matt25:1-13)

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[quote=’Brother Rando’ pid=’314998′ dateline=’1527543863′]
There won’t be a Mass Conversion… Soon those whom we share the Good News with will Stop.

Preaching Work is about to End.

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Jehovah’s witnesses are in an easy-to-see stall at this time, easy to see. Nowhere in the Bible does it say the “preaching work stops” for it continues in the 1000 Year Reign of Christ. That is a GB imposed myth to create a “self fulfilling prophecy” to hide the true reason of the JW Org downfall coming up. “The end” that comes is for 8th King world government AFTER they complete in the future after sword stroke phase heals into that final global sovereign entity of the terminus of all sovereign prophecy.

That “Preaching Work is about to End” is the cover story to fool JWs, actually it is the King North backed stumbling work performed through the GB of Daniel 11:32-35; this is why many Jehovah’s witnesses learn more when they flee the JW Org as per Matthew 24:15 and that UN NGO “transgression causing desolation” (Dan8:13 UN NGO) to JW Org soon, of Daniel 8:13-14— true, it sure will look like “the end” to KN duped JWs (Rev13:3), but, alas, the end will NOT arrive as soon as JWs have been 2Thess2:1-2 misled to think it will end, in “operation of error” from the GB “Lawless One”. (2Thess2:1-4-12; Read Matt24:6)

Those savvy sheep of Daniel 11:33-35 are stumbled for refinement purposes and taken out of harm’s way for when Daniel 8:13-14 comes on this wayward JW house of today; Revelation 8 purification “fire of the altar”. There is denying it, but Israel tried the same tactic, but it doesn’t work.

And like the JW “it must be the end of the world” folks!, so-called WT “hard hitting judgment message” to come with this final sword stroke global crisis (Rev13:3; Dan11:41-43 global context), it too will fail.

But in Daniel 8:14 time as in Hosea 6:1-3, Jehovah’s witnesses will have light cast upon the truth we must all face fully at that time for a final Kingdom proclamation in honor of the Messianic Kingdom completion whose “five discreet virgin” approved anointed welcoming party herald will be the true anointed cleansed remnant of today.

They get the affirmation “sealing” of the last of the 144000 by completing that final 1260 days proclamation of the “last witness” of the future to emerge from the JW Org downfall coming up— to be sold to JWs as if “the end” and as if BTG is also going down, but it will just be the end of the modern JW apostasy.

BTG remains after JW Org downfall “the end” decoy, to ride a full world government scarlet wildbeast into the world scene as the 8th King King North system, as if “God’s Kingdom on earth”.

Then that global institution of all religion in Babylon the Great will be deposed. Even that final 1260 days warning is eventually ceased to define Daniel 12:11 half-criteria with world government “place the disgusting thing” as the other half to mark the start of the 1290 days into which period the ceased final warning “death of the two witnesses” for “3.5 days” must merge into the 1290 day inception.

As Revelation 11:7-10 final cycle fulfillment of the future the final warning stopped (after they have completed their 1260 days witnessing), with world government arising from the “abyss” of the final “sword stroke” of Revelation 13:3 as also Revelation 17:8-13, then BTG goes down as Revelation 17:15-18 under world government from which downfall the final sheep in that system will be swept out into salvation. (parallel Rev11:13)

In all the BTG sequences in Revelation 16;17-20 and Revelation 17:8-18 Babylon the Great is deposed last in the sequence. We already know God starts the judgment with his own house and that will be Jehovah’s witnesses as modern Revelation 8 final cycle fulfillment as Daniel 8:13-14 as a paralle of the final “ten virgins” judgment of Matthew 25:1-3. It is also Zechariah 3:1-9 for the final “sprout” warning of Christ Kingdom Messianic completion arrival in the “Air Plague” of said Revelation 16:17. It is also Isaiah 6 as the Malachi 3:1-5 temple cleansing.

Because “five foolish virgins” are disqualified in this Daniel 8:13-14 temple judgment cycle, more anointed will be needed, and this is why JW anointings are increasing for the first time in their recorded history in anticipation of this “man of lawlessness” GB effect. If the anointings themselves are incomplete then the final sealing is also incomplete and thus the Messianic Kingdom could not complete. But God will complete the number.

The GB will say Russia is King North and Daniel 11:44 is activated; but it will actually be King South national system fall and the JW Org invasion of Daniel 11:41-43. They kept that decoy USSR=KN deception in place for this very reason as if “on hold” at Daniel 11:44. The GB will also say the full 144000 has been sealed, but that too will be untrue:

Revelation 2:2

[quote]I know your deeds, your hard work and your perseverance. I know that you cannot tolerate wicked men, that you have tested those who claim to be apostles but are not, and have found them liars.[/quote]

Today’s liars are in the Governing Body of Jehovah’s witnesses who lead the Daniel 11:32a King North backed apostasy in JWs at this time, fully since 1990 3rd UN cover up of that UN prophecy at Daniel 11:31b and the true King North identity as globalization based “gather the nations” by globalism, into 8th King King North World Government, to complete in the future prior to the Christ arrival it shall trigger.

At this time, Jehovah’s witnesses are “throwing truth to the earth” (Dan8:12b) by covering up all this no-brainer final prophecy requirement and easy-to-see final sequence of the future for that same fake end of the world hype as in 2Thess2:1-2:

[quote]Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.[/quote]

And THAT premature end delusion, is exactly what the Governing Body of Jehovah’s witnesses is now promoting. The Gb will cancel the JW ministry for KN from their own mouth. Start you Daniel 8:14 Calendar Mark at that time, or upon another visible anti-JW Org event, or both. Daniel 8:13-14 is timed, it also wiped Daniel the prophet out physically, because it will be “of prophetic proportions” in a globally seen anti-JW event phase of “the evening” darkness of Daniel 8:13-14,26 and Revelation “pit of the abyss” that the ministry must now go down into.

But, it WILL come back up; Rev9, Rev10:11, Rev11:3

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[quote=’Tony Price 77′ pid=’315010′ dateline=’1527550728′]
[quote=’Brother Rando’ pid=’314994′ dateline=’1527542566′]

We refused to renew the NGO. We found out we have no need to learn the deep things of Satan and have no need to represent God’s Kingdom there for God’s Kingdom will crush these other kingdoms. (Daniel 2:44) It’s called a cleansing… like I said before Temple… you’re two steps behind and have no understanding. We have been given our new garments……
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So the Watchtower didn’t know in the first place that being an NGO would expose them to “the deep things of Satan”???? Geez, talk about not doing your homework. 🙄

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[quote=’Amememhab’ pid=’314944′ dateline=’1527512676′]

Watchtower doom seems to apply mostly to [b][i]powers[/i][/b] and [b][i]principalities[/i][/b] one day to crumble into dust, and maybe to some evildoers as well, but I don’t see its message as particularly hateful toward people. As had been the case during my years at the Miami Salvation Army Center, a residential quarters and thrift store industry for homeless men, who were often drug addicts, there’s a closeted hatred of other churches…
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That just goes to show how little you know about Jehovah’s Witnesses. And as for hatefulness towards people, Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that all the rest of mankind [b][u]in addition to[/u][/b] the [b][i]powers[/i][/b] and [b][i]principalities[/i][/b] will end up as bird food.(Even though ironically, they teach that all the animals will be at peace with each other and with mankind in their new world/system.)…

Revelation 19:17-18

[quote][i]17 I saw also an angel standing in the sun, and he cried out with a loud voice and said to all the birds that fly in midheaven: “Come here, be gathered together to the great evening meal of God, 18 so that you may eat the flesh of kings and the flesh of military commanders and the flesh of strong men and the flesh of horses and of those seated on them, [b]and the flesh of all, of freemen as well as of slaves and of small ones and great.[/b]”[/i][/quote]

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No, the garments are befouled, the turban is also coming off. If we were to call modern JWs with all their scandals and carnival wildbeast riding “robes of state” of the final anointed Christian remnant faithfulness, we would be fooling ourselves to the point of a total delusion in the face of overwhelming evidence. In reality, right NOW, JWs are steeped in lawless activity such as lobbying beyond UN NGO capacity as UN IGO “consultants”, pedophiles and rackets worldwide— which are now garnering Caesar’s attention in the UK and Australia and you can bet a salvo from the US will soon poke into the GB policy underbelly as well.

As Isaiah said:

[quote]Who is blind but my servant, and deaf like the messenger I send? Who is blind like the one in covenant with me, blind like the servant of the LORD?[/quote]

Any inbiased observer or a scattered anointed and earth sheep awake, can now see that applies to Jehovah’s [blind] witnesses TODAY—RIGHT NOW—, also deaf to all Daniel 8:13-14 warnings. The pattern of apostasy must REPEAT with the final Revelation seven trumpet and plague cycle— which also REPEATS, in the future for a “second witnessing” of them TWO witnesses of Rev11.

This is why a temple judgment is now required on the anointed focused “house” of Jehovah’s witnesses— it can no longer be covered up or denied very well, the bag of GB sins is bursting at the seams now, piling up clear to heaven as well. They are NOT eight Fred Franzs, let us put it frankly, they are a lawless corporate cabal, but also a prophetic “man of lawlessness” entity as well. (Dan8:12; Dan11:32a; 2Thess2:1-4) The one that has yet to be fully exposed before Christ arrival.

This is why, when pinned down, JWs have not a leg to stand on in trying to defend mass organizational lawlessness in JWs today. It is simply the truth, simply the way it is in Jehovah’s own house, again, but today– same old story really. But this one has to go stellar in events for final warning eventual inception work.

It all stays focused on JWs, for better and for worse, for a reason. One more announcement 1260 days must be given in the future, we MUST “prophesy again”.

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[quote=’Tony Price 77′ pid=’315004′ dateline=’1527549131′]
In the New World Translation, Daniel 10:13 says:

[quote][i]13 But the prince of the royal realm of Persia stood in opposition to me for 21 days. But then Michael, [b]one of the foremost princes[/b], came to help me; and I remained there beside the kings of Persia.[/i][/quote]

Therefore, according to Jehovah’s Witnesses, what exactly does “one of the foremost princes” mean? Who are the other ‘foremost princes’?

Thank you.
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You know angels are “stars” in Bible symbology? You know that “woman” with the “crown of 12 stars” in Revelation 12? Well, Michael is THE CROWN, and he commands 12 very powerful angelic “star” orders to comprise the authority of that crown, and as a taste of that power, that day, Satan was cast from heaven with all the demons.

Foremost Princes are powerful angelic leaders under Christ who would head up those “12 star” orders, but in the Bible there is only one called Archangel, hence he is the crown itself— so there can be only one chief angel and ancient of all angels. The others are not known by title, but the organizational “12” in the “crown of the woman” means they are powerful and have gifts in regard to their positions over many angels for application from the Kingdom of God for the Messianic Kingdom of Christ rulership of planet Earth in the future. 12 “foremost prince” angels must be heads of those 12 star orders that make up the heavenly “woman’s” “crown”.

Thus, Christ temporary Kingship in God’s Kingdom is related to the “crown of the woman” and comprises all the angels under those “12 star” orders. But Christ is Messianic Kingdom of Christ King forever even after handing back God’s Kingdom to God Almighty. It seems the woman will keep her crown as under Christ, when that work completes we shall have to see. It seems to be Christ’s permanent authority over all the angels which would remain perpetual (Hebrews 1:6). It being on a feminine woman symbol in Rev12, it shows it is in submission to Christ now, and God forever after in that final hierarchy, imo.

And it is a crown on the “woman”. Christ’s “and a crown was given him” of Revelation 6 is the one of his Kingship in God’s Kingdom since 1914, it is related to, but can’t be the woman’s “crown”, as it is “her’s” as all the angels in that “body” are included in its purpose, imo. Revelation 19 is his future King of kings crown as coronated in the Messianic Kingdom, in the future upon 144000 completion, which is a distinct “Kingdom of Christ” entity from and under God’s Kingdom. (Dan2:31-45) But all the final details will be sorted out in time, these features are not central to salvation— but they can aid faith. The Messianic Kingdom is the express specific sovereign entity in Christ “King of kings” capacity which is to rule Earth to fulfill God’s covenant with David and the “Son of David” (Jesus Christ), forever.

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[quote=’Tony Price 77′ pid=’315018′ dateline=’1527554241′]
[quote=’Brother Rando’ pid=’314998′ dateline=’1527543863′]
Preaching Work is about to End.
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Still trying to determine how close the end is. Which is something that Jehovah’s Witnesses keep on getting into trouble about throughout the years:


[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watch_Tower_Society_unfulfilled_predictions]Watch Tower Society unfulfilled predictions[/url]

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As you know Tony I am what I call an “Anti-Doomsdayer”, but for a reason.

IN MY OPINION, but I think you can verify the claims, there is no “doomsday” or “the end of the world” in the Bible, it is just as Jesus said “now the ruler of this world [the Devil] shall be cast out”, that is all that changes in the most basic sense of an “end”.

So, to try to find a “the end” date, is in vain and only leads to trouble of many errors and discrediting effects on the whole Christian prophecy framework. We can find in general logic when the “new beginning” starts though as only speculation, but it is great news, nothing doomful about it.

But the Fearplex keeps sheep in the money milking pens, that is for sure, even if they try to stumble all they can. And fear is never good in crisis situations, so that “the end” fear is not for a beneficial purpose to humans.

[b]The [u]Fake[/u] Doomsday Effect[/b]

The Bible has a fake doomsday, a fake Armageddon, if you will (like the one in X-Files), which is paraphrased as Revelation 13:3 below.

[quote]I saw that one of [the wildbeast]s] heads seemed to have been fatally wounded, but its mortal wound had been healed, and all the earth followed the wild beast [world government completion] with admiration.[/quote]

Paraphrased:

[quote]I saw that one of [the wildbeast’s] heads seemed to come to “doomsday”, but “the end of the world” did NOT arrive, instead the wildbeast system globally-recovered, and all the earth followed the wild beast with admiration [for the world government solution].[/quote]

In that logic “the end of the world” “global problem” is but a FALSE IMPRESSION which outcome from morbid-fear-to-pleasant-relief is for another purpose entirely, so a globally hopeful and positive mindset can influence people to then admire globally then emergent “global solution” highlighted by such a positive resulting mass-mindset.

So, those who ply a “doomsday” hype are aiding the initial false impression are they not? For there is no such thing as “the end of the world”, imo.
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Under world government I have heard they plan to outlaw global religions, all of them. It stands to reason certain ones would be first in line for deposition. They do not need Islam to endorse world government, imo, but they do need Christendom and Israel, but who knows, maybe Islam will also get in the wildbeast saddle fully as well. (Rev17) I do not know now how pro-world-government the big corporate Islam is. But I do not see good days for this new world-war whipping boy, I but read the writing on the wall.

A big problem is they get their weapons from you know who. All they have to do is cut off the supply and the 1870s Sioux Indians could conquer Islam. They are dependent on western arms, and they fill the Global MIC coffers with their loot, it is recycled oil loot. It is all like a chemistry set for world war, all engineered to be this way since after WW1 when they drew up that modern ME chessboard map.

I know world government will not be promoting Islam, and eventually no mainstream religion of today, they have a different “god”, the god of this world. His religion is what is coming, but it only lasts a little while. (Rev14:6-8)

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Adrammelech Sepharvites 2 Kin 17:31 (1) Sun-god
Amon Thebes In Egypt Jer 46:25 (1) Sun-god
Anammelech Sepharvites 2 Kin 17:31 (1) Moon-goddess
Asherah (Asherim) Canaan Judg 6:25,26,28,30 (36) Fertility goddess
Ashima Hammath In Syria 2 Kin 17:30 (1) ——————————
Ashtoreth (Ashtaroth) Syria/Phoenicia/Canaan 1 Kin 11:5,33 (9) Love, fertility goddess
Baal Syria/Phoenicia/Canaan 2 Kin 10:18-23,25-28 (47) Principal god
Baal-berith Shechem in Canaan Judg 8:33, Judg 9:4 (2) Name means “lord of covenant”
Baal-Peor Moabites Num 25:3,5 (6) ——————————
Baal-Zebub (Beelzebub in NT Greek) Ekron In Philistine 2 Kin 1:2,3,6,16
(4 OT)(6 NT) Name means “lord of flies” (protection from)
Bel (possibly same as Baal) Moabites/Babylonians/Ammonites Isa 46:1 Jer 50:2, Jer 51:44 (3) Principal god
Castor/Pollux (Twin Brothers) Greeks Acts 28:11 (1) Twin sons of Zeus. Protection for sailors.
Chemosh Moabites 1 Kin 11:7,33 (8) Destroyer, subduer. Child sacrifices made for
Dagon Philistines 1 Sam 5:2-5,7 (7) Grain god
Diana/Artemis Ephesus In Greece Acts 19:24,27-28,34-35 (5) Moon, hunting, virginity goddess
Gad (Fortune) Israel Isa 65:11 (1) ——————————
Golden Calf Israel (Borrowed from Egypt) Story in Ex 32 ——————————
Jupiter/Zeus Greek Acts 14:12 (1) King god, ruler of heaven and all other gods
Kalwan (Chiun) Babylonians Amos 5:26 (1) Possibly star god
Meni (Destiny) Israel Isa 65:11 (1) ——————————
Mercury/Hermes Greek Acts 14:12 (1) Messenger for the gods
Merodach/Marduk Babylonians Jer 50:2 (1) Possibly associated with Mars, war god
Milcom (Malcham, Malcam) Ammonites 1 Kin 11:5,33 (6) ——————————
Molech (Moloch) Ammonites Lev 20:2,3,4,5 (10) Destroyer, consumer. Child sacrifices made for
Nebo Chaldea In Babylon Isa 46:1 (1) Writing, speech, literature, arts god
Nehushtan Israel 2 Kin 18:4 (1) Serpent Moses made in wilderness (Num 21:4-9)
Nergal Cuth in Babylon 2 Kin 17:30 (1) War and hunting god
Nibhaz Avvites 2 Kin 17:31 (1) ——————————
Nisroch Assyrians 2 Kin 19:37, Isa 37:38 (2) ——————————
Queen Of Heaven (Known as Ishtar) Assyria/Babylon Jer 7:18, Jer 44:17,18,19,25 (5) Love, war, fertility goddess
Rimmon Syria 2 Kin 5:18 (1) Weather god
Sikkuth Babylonians Amos 5:26 (1) Saturn god
Succoth Benoth Babylonians/Samarians 2 Kin 17:30 (1) goddess
Tammuz Babylonians/Samarians Ezek 8:14 (1) Vegetation god
Tartak

Adrammelech Sepharvites 2 Kin 17:31 (1) Sun-god
Amon Thebes In Egypt Jer 46:25 (1) Sun-god
Anammelech Sepharvites 2 Kin 17:31 (1) Moon-goddess
Asherah (Asherim) Canaan Judg 6:25,26,28,30 (36) Fertility goddess
Ashima Hammath In Syria 2 Kin 17:30 (1) ——————————
Ashtoreth (Ashtaroth) Syria/Phoenicia/Canaan 1 Kin 11:5,33 (9) Love, fertility goddess
Baal Syria/Phoenicia/Canaan 2 Kin 10:18-23,25-28 (47) Principal god
Baal-berith Shechem in Canaan Judg 8:33, Judg 9:4 (2) Name means “lord of covenant”
Baal-Peor Moabites Num 25:3,5 (6) ——————————
Baal-Zebub (Beelzebub in NT Greek) Ekron In Philistine 2 Kin 1:2,3,6,16
(4 OT)(6 NT) Name means “lord of flies” (protection from)
Bel (possibly same as Baal) Moabites/Babylonians/Ammonites Isa 46:1 Jer 50:2, Jer 51:44 (3) Principal god
Castor/Pollux (Twin Brothers) Greeks Acts 28:11 (1) Twin sons of Zeus. Protection for sailors.
Chemosh Moabites 1 Kin 11:7,33 (8) Destroyer, subduer. Child sacrifices made for
Dagon Philistines 1 Sam 5:2-5,7 (7) Grain god
Diana/Artemis Ephesus In Greece Acts 19:24,27-28,34-35 (5) Moon, hunting, virginity goddess
Gad (Fortune) Israel Isa 65:11 (1) ——————————
Golden Calf Israel (Borrowed from Egypt) Story in Ex 32 ——————————
Jupiter/Zeus Greek Acts 14:12 (1) King god, ruler of heaven and all other gods
Kalwan (Chiun) Babylonians Amos 5:26 (1) Possibly star god
Meni (Destiny) Israel Isa 65:11 (1) ——————————
Mercury/Hermes Greek Acts 14:12 (1) Messenger for the gods
Merodach/Marduk Babylonians Jer 50:2 (1) Possibly associated with Mars, war god
Milcom (Malcham, Malcam) Ammonites 1 Kin 11:5,33 (6) ——————————
Molech (Moloch) Ammonites Lev 20:2,3,4,5 (10) Destroyer, consumer. Child sacrifices made for
Nebo Chaldea In Babylon Isa 46:1 (1) Writing, speech, literature, arts god
Nehushtan Israel 2 Kin 18:4 (1) Serpent Moses made in wilderness (Num 21:4-9)
Nergal Cuth in Babylon 2 Kin 17:30 (1) War and hunting god
Nibhaz Avvites 2 Kin 17:31 (1) ——————————
Nisroch Assyrians 2 Kin 19:37, Isa 37:38 (2) ——————————
Queen Of Heaven (Known as Ishtar) Assyria/Babylon Jer 7:18, Jer 44:17,18,19,25 (5) Love, war, fertility goddess
Rimmon Syria 2 Kin 5:18 (1) Weather god
Sikkuth Babylonians Amos 5:26 (1) Saturn god
Succoth Benoth Babylonians/Samarians 2 Kin 17:30 (1) goddess
Tammuz Babylonians/Samarians Ezek 8:14 (1) Vegetation god
Tartak

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[quote=’Brother Gerald’ pid=’314751′ dateline=’1527307017′]
Why do you think the devil fights so hard. We know he has been in heaven, and that the devils believe and tremble. The Angels are greater in power and might than the devils, so they know they are going to be defeated in the end, yet they fight hard. Paul said when he would do good, he found evil present in Romans 7, then he said that evil caused him to do what he didn’t want to do, so the devil fights hard. We know he fought Jesus according to the scriptures, yet Jesus won that bout. I wondered if anyone had any thoughts on why he fights so hard to get folks to sin.
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But with these complex but evil beings there is a background story to why they want another world government. See, we already had 2 before this coming one, third times the charm, but only for Rev17:12 “one hour”.

In the days of Noah it was so severe God had to disrupt a takeover which would have attempted to truncate the line of Genesis 3:15 “seed” world savior. It was a demon world government, the first one, only 8 people resisted its influence with God’s help. That was within 1600 years or so of the sin in Eden— so they can work very fast them demons (Genesis 6, Jude 6, 1Pet3:19-20; 2Pet2:4-5; Rev12:3-4).

Today it has gone on after the flood for 4000 years plus, more than that rather short 1600 years it took the demons to takeover the first time, because of the effects of the second world government attempt. In Genesis 10 the 70 nations from Noah’s sons had started to be centralized under Nimrod as in Genesis 11 to form another world government from a collective point, rather than disperse as God had commanded. That Tower of Babel centered world government attempt did not last long and the means by which God did disperse the young nations was by a multiplication of language which caused great confusions.

Because the nations spread out this has formed a delay in the world government development, now nations have had to disperse and start late on that idea like a “late for the hanging” frog of Revelation 16:13-16, it took time to form ideas in humans of another world government (and its globalization and quasi-AI means of completing) NOW with the real hopes and resources of pulling it off rather than disintegrating in empire over extension as did say Persia and Rome. Since 1860, even before in the central banking seed, the Anglo powers have conceived of a world government possibility, now Anglo-American driven— and they can actually use the US empire over-extension to aid the corporate power process which actually guides it!**

THAT is why the demons as in Rev16:13-16 are obsessed with world government, they had one in Noah’s day, they tried to do another one quickly after the flood, and it has merely been delayed a few millenniums into our day— but it is still the goal, it is an ancient objective since the sin of Eden.

As US President George Bush Sr. said in 1990 before the UN, it is an “ancient dream” of a world government:

[quote]Address Before the 45th Session of the United Nations General Assembly in New York, New York
October 1, 1990

…to try to shape a new structure that might support an ancient dream…

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=18883%5B/quote%5D

And the demon dream is? You guessed it.

[quote]Address Before a Joint Session of the Congress on the Persian Gulf Crisis and the Federal Budget Deficit
September 11, 1990

Once again, Americans have stepped forward to share a tearful goodbye with their families before leaving for a strange and distant shore. At this very moment, they serve together with Arabs, Europeans, Asians, and Africans in defense of principle and the dream of a new world order. [aka, world government, global governance, etc)

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=18820%5B/quote%5D

Thus it is no surprise seeing it twice in human history before, that “ancient dream” is now continuing for a future world government (Dan11:45; Rev17:8-13; Rev13:3; Dan8:25). Such a global sovereign system would allow more direct demon rule for the “god of this system of things” (such as in the days of Genesis 6). The “god of this system of things”, aka the Dragon, Satan the Devil– as Jesus Christ first statement in the temple last visit, “now the ruler of this world will be cast out”. That danger of demon direct rule to all life (Matt24:21-22) is why it was ceased in Noah’s time and was delayed in the time of Genesis 11 Nimrod— in addition, it must develop in the timeline of God’s prophecy (Rev8-11), not demon planning schedules.

Interestingly, Daniel 2:31-45 is also an ancient dream, but a little different in future outcome.

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** [size=x-small](Now the “world government endowment start-up fund” global resources are not reliant on national government power, for the global-national systems are in enormous debt and fiscal dilemmas. Now the global corporate system is who has trillions of “dollars” in wealth, including nearly total control of gold and silver and all the markets (and their resources) independent of them pesky backwater nation-state governments and politicians— it has been a constant consolidation of wealth and power since the English 1860 25% control— in addition, a powerful addition btw, those private corporations engineer and deploy the monetary system through an international network of central banks not to mention the power of the hedges and derivatives scale of investment oversight. (Dan11:42-43) Thus, when required, they can deploy a new global financial system as part of the basis of corporate based “8th King” world government)[/size]

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[QUOTE=”MrJim, post: 68705727, member: 104637″]This is a casual fellowship thread to post stuff that maybe isn’t thread worthy but still could be useful, or for general just “get to know” each other sorts of things. Pretty much anything goes within boundaries of CF rules but not for arguing and discontent….we’re all in this bunker together so we “must needs” get along 😉

<<I was at a Renaissance Faire yesterday..the Olde English rubbed off :)>>[/QUOTE]

Nothing wrong with being prepared. But it is wise to remember what Christ said at Matthew 24:6 and Luke 21:9 that during a time of war and disorders is when he will NOT arrive.

The easy to see clue is from God by Paul at 1Thessalonians 5:1-3 that the time of the end is “during a freedom from care” (Daniel 8:25) during what will be a “world peace and security” proclamation no nation can now make as their fiscal health is poor. So, Christ arrives into a marked time of “world peace and security”.

One does not need to be the prophet Daniel, or the detective Sherlock Holmes or the genius Einstein to understand that world government 8th King will complete as God states in prophecy at Revelation 17:8-18 and “world peace” will be their main branded manta— the whole world will hear it in the future— and that takes one more “sword stroke” “as if doomsday, but it heals instead” into world government and that takes several more years to run its course, not many, but enough. (Revelation 13:3 creates “abyss” of Revelation 17:8-13 and Revelation 11:7)

By that time many in the world can prepare for that greater event of Christ arrival to settle the sovereign score for good. (Haggai 2:7)

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[QUOTE=”Hiscosmicgoldfish3, post: 72729703, member: 407877″]Daniel and the ten horns/little horn..

I don’t agree with the SDA’s interpretation of the ten horns being ten kingdoms, as the horns are said to be kings, in Daniel. The SDA claim that the 10 horns were the ten barbarian kingdoms, which arose out of the Western Roman Empire, and the three horns plucked up were the – Heruli, Vandals and Ostogoths – were eliminated by the year 538 AD. (this power was to arise between 476 AD and 538 AD (allegedly papal Rome).

There are other problems with this interpretation, besides the fact that a horn is a king and not a kingdom: what about the Eastern Roman Empire? – doesn’t feature. The little horn that rises up out of the ten horns, is said by the SDA to be the papacy and popes, similar to what Luther believed.
They say that the papacy arose in 538 AD – is that true? – I doubt it – it seems to be a bit of a shoe-horn. I think the Roman Church was in place about 300 AD, and before that proto-Orthodox or Byzantine Greek Church?
And there is another problem with the theory: the fourth beast of Daniel’s vision cannot be Rome – as Rome did not crush the Parthian/Persian Empire.
Some people claim that Islam fulfills the prophesy – but they make no mention of the three horns and try to claim that there are or will be ten Islamic countries in the end-days – so where are the three horns plucked out?
I think the most likely solution, is the preterist interpretation. The ten kings are the ten predecessors of Antiochus IV:
Seleucus I Nicator
Antiochus I Soter
Antiochus II Theos
Seleucus II Callinicus
Seleucus III Ceraunus (or Soter)
Antiochus III the Great
Seleucus IV Philopator
[*Heliodorus] – killed Seleucus IV and took the throne; killed by Antiochus IV Epiphanes
[*Demetrius I] – left in prison in Rome by Antiochus IV Epiphanes
[*Antiochus] – infant, co-ruled with Antiochus IV Epiphanes until killed by Antiochus IV Epiphanes
Little horn = Antiochus IV Epiphanes.
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It has a future finality for the “8th horn” to result from 3 that fall of the 10 for the “small horn” will in the same principle be the “8th King” of Revelation as world government. Pretty easy to see now. The 3 big ones to fall first as indebted done national systems as in Daniel 11:42-43 “King South” nation-state systems, are US/UK, Russia and China, the ME is already as good as taken. But, as per Revelation 13:3 it is not “doomsday” coming up, it is the global-sword-stroke which instead Isaiah 41:1 “heals” “regains power” to be brought up into full “King North” [8th King] global government in the future after a severe global downturn of some form.

Christ cannot arrive until AFTER they cross the line with that global sovereign system and claim. We have a few years left for this to run the course.

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[QUOTE=”Alison_P, post: 473417, member: 19355″]As Christians are we really saved through faith in Jesus Christ alone? If that’s really true, then why do we have to repent for our sins? And doesn’t the scripture in the Book of Revelation about unbelievers,abominable,liars,murderers,idolterers and those who commit sexual sins not inheriting the Kingdom of God contradict with the we are saved through Christ alone theory?[/QUOTE]

Well Jesus does require obedience, that completes the faith. If we say we are saved by faith in Christ sacrifice yet we do not obey commands of God in all the sins, but continue to practice them, then we do not really have the faith do we? (Rev14:12)

But, Christ is realistic, we will NOT be perfect, we will fall even if we really want to obey God as Paul said a war in the flesh is what is started, we will sin, we will fall— but we do NOT need to stay down, we can repent and renew the good fight. Because we fail, repentance will be necessary to continue in the faith rather than just give up and give in to works of sinful flesh.

It is a very personal battle, but as John said Christ conquered the world and so do those with the FAITH in Jesus Christ and God Almighty. Just stay loyal to the faith and its commands of God and then we conquer by Christ.

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[QUOTE=”Alison_P, post: 473417, member: 19355″]As Christians are we really saved through faith in Jesus Christ alone? If that’s really true, then why do we have to repent for our sins? And doesn’t the scripture in the Book of Revelation about unbelievers,abominable,liars,murderers,idolterers and those who commit sexual sins not inheriting the Kingdom of God contradict with the we are saved through Christ alone theory?[/QUOTE]

Well Jesus does require obedience, that completes the faith. If we say we are saved by faith in Christ sacrifice yet we do not obey commands of God in all the sins, but continue to practice them, then we do not really have the faith do we? (Rev14:12)

But, Christ is realistic, we will NOT be perfect, we will fall even if we really want to obey God as Paul said a war in the flesh is what is started, we will sin, we will fall— but we do NOT need to stay down, we can repent and renew the good fight. Because we fail, repentance will be necessary to continue in the faith rather than just give up and give in to works of sinful flesh.

It is a very personal battle, but as John said Christ conquered the world and so do those with the FAITH in Jesus Christ and God Almighty. Just stay loyal to the faith and its commands of God and then we conquer by Christ. REPENTANCE is a continual process while in the sinful flesh, so yes a mantra alone without some personal effort to obey is really not too reassuring.

2 Peter 3:9 shows this continual repentance is a process, not a one time act:

[QUOTE]The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance. [/QUOTE]

REACH repentance is attaining a state of faithful perseverance for Christians who have been at this for a while. True, as per Revelation 14:6-8 and the sheep and goats, some ignorant people will be saved and repent very quickly (Rom2), but the follow through will still be required.

But “good people” in isolated ignorance have to be saved by God because Christ bought the world regardless of a person’s personal state of Christ awareness— in fact those with more time and knowledge are who need to stay awake because there is more responsibility with the awareness of Christ and his commands.

[QUOTE]Romans 2:15

They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) 16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ,as my gospel declares. [/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=”Cturtle, post: 473716, member: 15700″]Tell the Good News

God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

– 2 Corinthians 5:19

Very few unsaved people today have ever really heard the “good news.” Why? Because too many Christians are busy telling the world God is mad at them. And telling them that they’re terrible and wrong. Some call that “good news,” but it’s not, and it’s not what God has commissioned us to share.

He’s given us the “word of reconciliation”!

He’s sent us to tell the news that God has restored harmony and fellowship between Himself and men. All men. Not just believers. Not just the people in your church, but everyone!

That’s right. The worst old reprobate sinner in the world is every bit as reconciled to God as you are. Look at Romans 5:10 and you’ll see what I mean. It says that “when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son.”

Reconciled. That word is past tense. God has already restored fellowship between Himself and the world. He did it when there was not one person on earth except Jesus who believed in the new birth. He did it when the entire world was lying in sin.

Through the death and resurrection of Jesus, God has cleansed and forgiven and restored to Himself every man, woman and child on the face of this earth. All any of us have to do now is receive it.

That’s the good word God has given us. That’s the word we need to share with those who are lost. If we’ll do it, I can almost guarantee you, they won’t stay lost very long.

Scripture Reading: 2 Corinthians 5:10-21

© 1991 Eagle Mountain International Church, Inc. aka: Kenneth Copeland Publications All rights reserved[/QUOTE]

This is the truth. And the “good news” is actually even better than some imagine now because of Romans 2:15 and Revelation 14:6-7. For those who could have been reached but were stumbled or whatever, God must still assess them in the most basic form of being, if they are good people and yet ignorant of Christ, or beaten sheep they have to be saved.

[QUOTE]Romans 2:15

They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) 16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ,as my gospel declares. [/QUOTE]

Some people in the Christ faith, though, sometimes have a problem with this BIG SALVATION first of even the ignorant, at Christ arrival. But the irony is, we who have the good news and know it are under much more responsibility than the average man, we best open our hearts to the degree Christ did and try to find the way to help others avoid condemnation— and giving them Revelation 14:6-7 Open Salvation Offer Hope to All mankind, is pretty great news. It should be called the GREAT news, because angels of Christ are how Christ completes the good news ministry God began in 29 CE, and contrary to Matthew 10:23, at post Christ arrival (which is the whole Revelation 14 sequence) is when Christ completes his own ministry and must assess every human of Earth, and even the ignorant “sheep” can and will be saved.

And how do we know them Matthew 25:31-40 sheep are ignorant. See them questions they ask Christ like when did we see you hungry? WHAT Christian has not read Matthew 25 and knows this already? Thus, them are NOOB sheep at post Christ arrival— Christ salvation from God is actually more positive than we could try to improve. BIG SALVATION is Christ’s purpose, yes he removes evil, BUT a person doing what is right in ignorance must also be saved, for Satan is out to kill them— but Christ is out to break up the works and goals of the Devil to SAVE LIVES!

Thus we may see our own personal Christ given mission transcends our sleeping churches at times, we have to do it even if some seem to veer to the rest stop among us. I have seen this in my church and others. And part of the problem is, as you say, the good news gets turned into bad news. But God said by James “mercy triumphs over judgment”, so we have to be that way too. James also nails down some of the causes of congregational apathy. It is a good shocking read I will say, he was very frank and truthful as you are too— keep up the great news work.

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[QUOTE=”1stcenturylady, post: 72729676, member: 395310″]Have you ever noticed how you can post a blessing, like a testimony of a supernatural healing of a pet you prayed for, and some will respond with “Wow;” but others will mock or find fault, like “show me in scripture where God healed an animal,” or even dragging in warning scriptures against false teachers with signs and wonders, or do you really have evidence of a healing, or it probably wasn’t hurt that bad to begin with, etc., etc., etc.

And at another time you will post a scripture and those same nay-sayers will mock and say something negative, and you can’t understand how they can not understand the simplest scripture?

It may be they have a “spirit of Leviathan” (the name of the underwater dragon, spiritually equated with Satan or a powerful demon with many heads). It is a mind-control demon. This spirit raises its ugly head as a religious spirit, seemingly righteous, but is actually undermining faith and God’s grace and power. Those deeply studied and entrenched in Cessationism have such a spirit, seeing the New Covenant as merely history and future, but not here and now. Or when you try and show a legalist or a cultist, scriptures that will undo their false doctrines, but they stay blind to them. (It is the staying blind that is the red flag of this spirit. Not someone whose mind and heart are still open to truth, and will readily change and grow.)

It can also attack in the political arena in the news, praising men like those in recent government that are pro-gay and lite up the Whitehouse in rainbow pastels, who fills the Supreme Court with liberal judges, and sends $150 billion to Iran for nuclear weapons and terrorism funding (!), days after their candidate, who wants abortions practiced at any stage of pregnancy, doesn’t win, and the same news casters bring up fake news to whomever God is using, like Trump who wants to ‘drain the swamp’ of crooks and recent ungody laws passed, and has godly spiritual advisers.

Pray against this demonic spirit, and do not give place to it in your heart or mind.[/QUOTE]

Let’s see how Leviathan (Isaiah 27:1) likes this one. (Numbers 24:17)

Solomon asked a question once: WHO is there that really knows if the spirit of man goes up and the spirit of beast goes down?, more precisely:

[QUOTE]I said in my heart with regard to the sons of men that God is testing them to show them that they are but beasts. 19 For the fate of the sons of men and the fate of beasts is the same; as one dies, so dies the other. They all have the same breath, and man has no advantage over the beasts; for all is vanity. 20 All go to one place; all are from the dust, and all turn to dust again. 21 Who knows whether the spirit of man goes upward and the spirit of the beast goes down to the earth? 22 So I saw that there is nothing better than that a man should enjoy his work, for that is his lot; who can bring him to see what will be after him?[/QUOTE]

The same spirit and the same place is where both human and animal goes. But when Christ said a sparrow will not fall to the ground without the knowledge of the Father, it has a greater meaning. (Romans 8:18-22, Isaiah 34:14-17, Psalms 133)

Solomon did not ask that very interesting question in vain, HE was one not knowing yet.

When Revelation states Christ “empties” “DEATH and Hades”, from that “one place” of eventual “dust”, death, as in the Ecclesiastes 3, has to be the target of the emptying of EVERYTHING, not just humans. At this time, the death eventuality where “the fate is the same” with man and animal, all life now temporarily in death, has to be restored too, even beyond human. (Matthew 19:28)

[QUOTE]
Revelation 1:18
I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.

Christ stating he is the “Living One” is to emphasize the comprehensiveness of his anti-death mission.

Revelation 20:13-15
The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.
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Because man’s “fate” has been altered by Jesus Christ (Hebrews 2:14) to a future of LIFE from that “living One”, it alters the entire trajectory into death for this planetary life system to soon come under a true “life giving spirit”. Death, which is “brought to nothing” as the last enemy of 1 Corinthians 15:26, is a result of the sin of Eden and things in that garden did not die, and that is restored by the REMOVAL of an “emptied” Death former reality. (Revelation 22:1-5)

[QUOTE]And wherever the river goes every living creature which swarms will live… so EVERYTHING will live where the river goes. [/QUOTE]

Ezekiel 47:9

Because the death and decay curse of Eden from sin, as in Revelation 22:3 “the curse is no more”, the blessing is given. (Genesis 12, Genesis 22) What kind of a Kingdom would it be if it forgot the little things? The Messianic Kingdom completes it all, forever.

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[QUOTE=”Lanolin, post: 473757, member: 15413″]Startemple would you say that each and every person alive has the opportunity to know God like if they havent heard the gospel in their lifetime or kept ignoring it when they are near death will Jesus speak to them personally regardless? I have often wondered about people that know they may die or are terminally ill in hospices and hospitals if they are aware of the presence of angels when nobody else is around …to take them home or the other place…[/QUOTE]

Paul said there are vessels of different purpose. Psalm 1:5 says “Therefore the wicked will not stand in the judgment”. As Jesus said to some of the Pharisees “you are from your father the Devil’ and as John the Baptist said to some Pharisees “you offspring of vipers”. Jesus and John were not being insulting they spoke the truth and as in the days of Noah, Satan has a brood in that “vessels for destruction” purpose. Then we have Judas Iscariot’s example, so I don’t know, but I think the Bible provides some useful information on this.

It seems God has his “my people” as in Revelation 18:4 and elsewhere in the penned and scattered sheep and not all people are his by allowance to Satan for this sovereign challenge of the demons against God. It is like the whole world is caught between the children of God and the children of Satan. Imo, the majority are as you think, under best circumstances all of them could become believers, but because of those other children and the world of tests and temptations they have made, many fail, but they can be recovered later. And even children of God can fall, so we have to stay awake and keep on guard to subtle ways the Devil tries to mislead and break the faith.

But I think it is best to keep the most positive attitude towards people’s hope, even if they do not yet exercise it, because like Saul and many others, some people see the light very quickly— those examples are in God’s Word for a reason. And we must realize and appreciate Christ has a Kingdom coming “not from this world’ as he told Pontius Pilate when even he was wondering about the King. We must relinquish the completion mission of true salvation and everlasting life power to Jesus Christ because if we are aware of people being possibly lost, he knows them from their conception and he purchased them whether they know it or not:

1 John 2:2

[QUOTE]My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. 2 He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world. [/QUOTE]

The WHOLE WORLD has been bought with the blood of Jesus. Is the whole world accepting it? Nope. Yet, Jesus will get that whole world as far as everything that can be given the best circumstances to believe in the 1000 Year Reign of Jesus Christ, and in the meantime we speculate a little. We have faith Christ will not miss anything but that his power is what “gathers all things” on Earth as applied to all earthly “creation groaning waiting for the sons of God” (Romans 8:18-22), humans are just part of what has been “lost”, actually temporarily stolen by Satan. God does not have TOTAL RECALL simply for trivia. (Matthew 10:23)

So, having bought the whole world Christ can apply the atonement after one has died because their death already paid the sin debt, and he can start with many people in past ignorance long dead to the distant past to complete his life saving work which continues for 1000 years. In that case the atonement “bought a resurrection” that life from “last Adam”. Now if Jesus paid blood at enormous cost, he certainly is not going to get shortchanged on his merchandise for it is God who receives the “gifts in men and women”, and Christ will get EVERYTHING he purchased under the Messianic Kingdom.

It is then up to persons individually as it is now to stay on the way of obedience to God. Death was caused by disobeying God, so that pattern can be changed but freewill and a person’s own decisions is what seals the deal, the Devil will try a final time as in Revelation 20. At this time we have to be resolved to fight the good fight for our own faith, because at this time Satan is not yet abyssed and we know what he is up to.

That was a long way of saying I do not know. LOL. But I hope that information from God’s Word helps us, because the Devil is not on vacation, he is out working in humans, it appears some are his children and those would be temporary. But, we cannot judge who is who, Saul and Judas should teach us how we cannot just read appearances and think we know. (John 7:24, Hebrews 13:2)

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[quote=’Tony Price 77′ pid=’315262′ dateline=’1527814680′]
[quote=’Mark51′ pid=’315218′ dateline=’1527772608′]
An indisputable fact is that there is not one scripture that definitively identifies Jesus as the archangel Michael. An approach to this is by the means of a common way: Process of elimination.

“Arch” means “top ranking”; and, archangel is only used in the “singular.” Considering all of the prophesies written about Jesus, (it seems to me) he is also referred to as the one-and-only archangel.

Consider as few-not inclusive-scriptures: Daniel 12:1; Revelation 11:15; 19:11-16.
Compare: Revelation 12:7 and 12:10.

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I see. Well, I don’t know if you agree with this, but according to TempleJudgment in his post #6 in the “Genesis 1:1” thread, he said:

[quote=’TempleJudgment’ pid=’313062′ dateline=’1525922607′]

God is the architect, not the builder is what it boils down to. IN “the beginning” would mean [b]everything came into existence through that “beginning” agent who is not God Almighty, but pretty darn close—[/b] but as close as it is, it is still not God Almighty.

But, he has to be [b]enormous in power[/b] and understanding, [b][u]because more than “heaven and earth” came into existence through him[/u][/b]. [/quote](emphasis mine)

http://www.religionforums.org/Thread-Genesis-1-1-and-God-s-Firstborn-Son?pid=313062#pid313062

Therefore, what I was wondering about was… When Michael and Gabriel were fighting the demon heads of the nations in Daniel 10, was Michael, with his god-like power, holding back/fighting those demon princes with one hand behind his back?

Because as powerful as Jesus was in his pre-human form before coming to earth… Michael in Daniel 10 along with Michael in Revelation 12 just don’t seem to be as powerful as pre-human Jesus was.

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Again, Tony, GABRIEL is who is weaker than that Prince of Persia demon-prince, Michael is who freed him to deliver the message from God to Daniel:

[quote]Daniel 10

12 Then said he unto me, Fear not, Daniel: for from the first day that thou didst set thine heart to understand, and to chasten thyself before thy God, thy words were heard, and I am come for thy words.

13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.

14 Now I am come to make thee understand what shall befall thy people in the latter days: for yet the vision is for many days.[/quote]

Obviously we have Daniel 11-12 so Gabriel was freed by Michael to deliver the final Daniel prophecy.

What Gabriel was then able to deliver as the vision of God’s prophecy is thus the Daniel 11-12 storyline— now mostly history except for world government “King North”—– the continuum of the King South and King North prophecy to today as world government will converge into Daniel 12:1.

[quote]And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble[/quote]

In the book of Daniel the kings mentioned “stand up” in power, so when Michael “stands up” in power in the final cycle it will be in the Messianic Kingdom of Christ in the future, promotoed from “great Prince” which he already is to the King of kings which he is not coronated as, yet— which can occur when all 144000 are complete in seal and gathering, shortly after the 8th King King North completes world government IN THE FUTURE. But Christ sweeps for sheep in Daniel 12:11 time frame before conquering the helpless King North of Daniel 11:44-45.

[quote]And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the sea and the glorious holy mountain [decoy “Jerusalem” locale as if God’s prophecy fulfilled by the wildbeast world government counterfeit]; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.[/quote]
Daniel 11:45

Thus, the demon princes of Anglo-America and the rest under world government princedom of Satan, will not be able to help their world government. But as in Ezekiel 38:7 Satan is given allowance to try to provide a protection:

[quote]Be thou prepared [Satan; Gog], and prepare for thyself, thou, and all thy company that are assembled unto thee, and be thou a guard unto them [world government “assembly of nations”].[/quote]

Michael is the helper of Gabriel in Daniel 10, overpowering the demons with ease, so I do not understand why you ask your meaningless question. You should read several translations before you commit your presumption to the fact area of your brain because Michael is not the angel over-powered in Daniel 10, Gabriel is and he had the King North/South prophecy to deliver; so as a warm up Michael is revealed by name to the Jews in that time frame so when they got Daniel 11-12, they knew about Michael beforehand as the King of Daniel 12:1, for a prince who “stands up” is ascending then into Kingship.

1. It had a foregleam in 1914-1918 first 1260 days as Christ received God’s Kingdom in temporary Kingship manner at that time, as all the 1260 days “time, times and half a time” prophecies REPEAT for a full “seven times” total fulfillment. (Daniel 7:15; Daniel 12:7; Revelation 11:2-3; Revelation 12:6,14; Revelation 13:5= 1260 days prophecy parallels)

2. IN THE FUTURE, when that final 1260 days last witness of the two witnesses open salvation offer and final Kingdom Proclamation emerge, it will be for the MESSIANIC KINGDOM agency.

“Seven times” thus completes as also 2520 DAYS.

There are TWO Kingdoms in Daniel 2 as the “stone” [messianic kingdom] is cut from “the mountain” of God’s Kingdom MOUNTAIN. The “stone” Messianic Kingdom is SET UP in the future completion (Daniel 2:44); God’s Kingdom “mountain” has always been, it requires no “set up”.

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Daniel 2:44
And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.[/quote]

The Messianic Kingdom is what is being “set up”. The Messianic Kingdom was only “born” in 1914. In the future, that Messianic Kingdom being set up, must completely “set up” in totality to also complete, in all 144000 sealed and gathered total completion of Revelation 7:1-8 and Revelation 14:1-5.

The MESSIANIC Kingdom of Christ is a DIFFERENT Kingdom with the express sanction from God to rule planet Earth in direct manner— hence why Michael will also, as Jesus Christ, “stand up” into that Kingdom also, and its Christ King of kings completion is upon all 144000.

Christ is “cap stone of the temple” of Zechariah 4:6-9 as he is also the foundation stone all 144000 in between as one whole Kingdom and its Temple as well. Jesus Christ in the Messianic Kingdom is to be fully King-Priest (in temple) and King of kings (in the messianic kingdom)— IN THE FUTURE when that final 1260 days completes as Revelation 11:2-7.

As you see, JWs are fully stalled on all these final details due to the GB and Daniel 11:32a, a prophecy in Gabriel’s delivery.

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[quote=’Jack Squid’ pid=’315429′ dateline=’1527939255′]
Morality comes from our innate ability to feel compassion and improve our surroundings. I do not intend to commit homicide because 1) it would destabilize society, 2) jail is not for me, 3) the Golden Rule. I don’t need any deity to tell me that.

”Objective morality” is an oxymoron. Let me use an analogy made by Sam Harris–imagine a culture where they remove the eyeballs of every third child, because their holy book says ”the third child shall walk in darkness”, and they claim it’s a divine command from their god. See what I mean?

I subscribe to the Moral Landscape, which means ”maximize the well-being of conscious creatures”. Oh and Hitler was STILL wrong.

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I have some overly positive news.

Actually “Christian religion” has become very closed minded coma because they are like a spiritual football team, they must brand people as in their club rather than read their own “Good Book” in all its details, not just the ones religions need. Unlike religions, The “Good Book” is a very open minded testimony which already took into consideration there are “good people” who practice love even if just by conscience with zero religion or even faith as the most generic example covered here in Romans 2:

First off it nails hypocrisy:

[quote]1-2 You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. 2 Now we know that God’s judgment against those who do such things is based on truth.

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Then in the spirit of Revelation 14:6-7 it shows the most basic means of “accidental” salvation for “good people”:

[quote]12-16 All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 [b]They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts[/b], their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) 16 [u]This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.[/u]

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Thus ANYONE can walk into eternal life by conscience which is moral. It really is GOOD news. God must preserve “good people” as He assesses in every human in the future.

And since Paul was not a person under Mosaic law as he spoke of Christ abolishing it, he used it as an example of the “Golden Rule” of Jesus Christ which can be applied to people who will be preserved at the Christ arrival while not even knowing why at the time:

[quote]25-26 Circumcision has value if you observe the law, but if you break the law, you have become as though you had not been circumcised. 26 So then, if those who are not circumcised keep the law’s requirements, [b]will they not be regarded as though they were circumcised[/b]? or, under Christ salvation as the obvious extension Paul promoted.[/quote]

That preservation into eternal life under a new universal power was because they are “good people” and there is no reason not to bring them into the Angel Camp of Salvation at that time, even if they do not know it yet, come Revelation 14:6-7 time:

[quote]And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.[/quote]

And we see here they have not even read Matthew 25, so they are stunned saved newbies who ask these questions sincerely:

[quote]“Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, [u]when did we see you[/u] hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink?[/quote]

Thus, by pursuing common human decency by conscience these noobs are blessed into eternal life in the future when all this becomes reality— and with no help of “religion”, they just did it naturally in the most generic case.

ANYONE can accept Revelation 14:6-7 when the offer is made to EVERYONE. That is because God Almighty and religions that try to monopolize Him as middlemen are not the same thing. And the Bible is not to be considered a religious book in their attempted monopoly of that item as well— it is God’s message to mankind prior to “the day when God judges people’s secrets” the angels arriving with Christ for everlasting life and “eternal good news” purpose.

It is a positive message because God is the friend, not the enemy, He will remove the enemy in the final process and the King of kings will take over this planetary life system which is HIS trophy planet in this story of its sovereign struggle with the enemy.

It is worth remembering what message the Bible really is stating minus religious coercions. It is the faith, not a “religion”. (Revelation 14:12) Religions are temporary, God is not. Good news.

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[quote=’Newtonian’ pid=’315737′ dateline=’1528284686′]
I was going to post on my thread on Matthew 24:14 – but I can’t find the thread!

So, what do you all think?

Are we living in the time when Jesus’ prophecy in Matthew chapter 24 is being fulfilled?
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Yes we are in the most important age of transition into the next, a “last days” but JWs are stalled so Matthew 24:14 “and this good news of the Kingdom will be preached” is stalled as JWs refuse to ID the final sovereign prophecy symbol of Daniel 2 and the 8th King (and thus Dan8:23-25, Dan11:42-45) which is WORLD GOVERNMENT which shall supercede nation-state based polyrule of all the nations as individual sovereign territories (Rom13) for a sole global governance system. But as JWs are also UN NGO wildbeast riders it is no surprise they shall not expose their new handlers “which god do you NOW obey”, as in their cacophonic “To Whom Do You Belong” new lyrics (and horrible “melody”) now also give global UN testimony to.

So, we can only give a generic answer that global war as a business booster model has marked the “last days” since 1914 for many reasons which display compounding evidence of progressive corporate based trans-national wealth and power consolidation at global scale as the nations sold out their countries for more and more “required” currency infusions which result in a corporate based checkmate of Daniel 11:42-43 which empowers that corporate power base as the true admin of world government as the UN plays its Executive Branch no matter they form they are branded as in final logo and mantra of “world peace” (1Thess5:1-3); As the League of Nations was indeed engineered by the same Anglo elites who resurrected it into the UN after WW2’s booster acceleration cycle completed the chess board of nations.

JWs should be saying all this in detail but they are stalled in a now irrelevant 1970’s geo-political mindset, acting as if globalization is not the main global engine of 8th King world government like good little pins.

Questions:

1. “Last days” of what? The 7th King? The world? The system of things?

2. Then when is the Daniel “time of the end” of the “last days” start?

Until you answer those questions the generic answer is we are int he last days of the national sovereignty based global ruling “superior authorities” system; but, that does not “end” into a doomsday, but a sword stroke of Revelation 13:3 which “heals” into 8th King world government which is an unsanctioned “superior authority” singular not covered as legal in Romans 13.

JW Org “end of the world” downfall coming up, which is just the end of this JW Org apostasy, NOT the world, is what starts Daniel 8:13-14, ceases Daniel 11:35 as the beginning of that “time of the end” of the “last days”, which is just the global context of the nation-state “7th King” ruled; King South system “fall” into 8th King world government power, or zenith King NORTH.

As a result of this stall and subversion, the JW ministry has been severely compromised with many forms of spiritual and secular lawlessness. (2Thess2:1-4) The Governing Body of JWs is what led this ministry into this state. Now a severe JW “dys”-functional abruption is required prior to recovery.

So, it is also the “last days” of JW apostasy and prophecy tracking negligence.

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[quote=’Tony Price 77′ pid=’315550′ dateline=’1528062136′]
Before I start, I wanted to say that even if you aren’t a religious person or a person who has religious beliefs, I wanted to say that you may answer the thread question hypothetically or in a ‘just-for-arguments-sake’ fashion. Therefore, I would like to ask Jehovah’s Witnesses and others: Are “we,” i.e. human beings, better off than the angels?

And the reason why I ask this is because first of all, the entire universe seems designed specifically for us. Because we have the beautiful constellations, which consist of a vast amount of space which is combined with vast amounts of matter which make up the stars… and it appears that it’s all designed for our viewing and our pleasure from right here on planet Earth. Also, we have the sun which is the perfect distance from the Earth, and which provides us with warmth and life here on Earth. Plus, we have this pleasure called ‘eating,’ which is something that the angels don’t normally do.

Additionally, we have this wonderful and uniquely pleasurable thing called romance and sex, which the angels are not able to enjoy. Plus, there’s a story in Genesis 6 which says that some of the angels made a decision to indulge in this pleasure and actually left their natural dwelling place in heaven and came to live on Earth and illicitly married and fathered children.

And speaking of children, having babies and raising children is another form of joy that humans are allowed to have that angels are not entitled to.

Therefore, to me, it looks like human beings were created to be better off than the angels, and to have joys, pleasures, and experiences that angels were not designed to have.

Any thoughts?
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That is linear rationale based on fallen human desires, which in perfect context, would be MORE pleasurable than they are in imperfect human context of today, but completely perfect and controllable if willed to remain in obedience. So, a better question may be is being a human born into a personal deathwatch of slow degeneration and many trials with also some beautiful pleasures better than being in the perfect “image of God” which holy angels are in but humans have fallen from?

Thus, ‘the answer” is personal in men and angels, because since no man since Christ and Adam and the woman has actually been in God’s undying “image”. Men who die can end up imagining many things on the trip, but holy angels who do not die already know the true answers— and they had their chance to be like humans and opted to stay everlasting perfect angels of God resisting Satan’s arguments; the demons decided differently and are now on their own deathwatch, like humans.

Which is better?

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[quote=’RedhorseWoman’ pid=’315868′ dateline=’1528412028′]
[quote=’Satyros’ pid=’315829′ dateline=’1528368935′]
[quote=’Newtonian’ pid=’315826′ dateline=’1528362978′]
Anyone can find out what we believe and practice by simply going to our website:[/quote]

You mean we can find out what the watchtower wants to be published. It’s easy to try and wave away ex-JW’s as “disgruntled disfellowed” or whatever term you’d use, but better to actually try and [i]disprove[/i] what’s being said and revealed.
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You just made my point for me. The JW-org site sanitizes JW beliefs for public consumption…
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Half true. JW Org is a public website but it is designed for JW Consumption as the GB preach to JWs to continue the premature end delusion and the obligatory “all is well” delusion. It finally occurred to me, at first I could not nail it; and that is the GB are talking to JWs on JW Media as if brain traumatized invalids. The “sanitization” is over simplification with a new corporate branded smoke and mirrors is all; and I mean IQ 33 total stupidification OF EVERY possible coma inducing message.

But when “the end” comes for JW Org, not the world as is the 2Thess2:1-2 signal delusion of this age, they will need the web to continue to issue JW herding “obey us as crazy as it sounds’ directives as the place implodes. Thus, just prior to this corporate takeover and the GoodNewsicide of the GB cancelling JWs ministry as already foretold in their own “self fulfilling prophecy”, they issued the JW Media JW Propaganda-for-JWs machine.

True, the public has access to it, but if you easily notice, the messages are for JWs, brain-dying JWs. It is not a good sign, because no where does the Bible say the good news “ends” as JWs say in their new bad news initiative for the corporatocratic GBillionaires.

Quite the opposite:

Revelation 14:6-7
[quote]Then I saw another angel flying in midair, and he had the [b][i][u]eternal[/u][/i] good news[/b] to proclaim to those who live on the earth—to every nation, tribe, language and people. 7 He said in a loud voice, “Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of his judgment has come. Worship him who made the heavens, the earth, the sea and the springs of water.”[/quote]

The GB is our FINAL “man of lawlessness” signal who must be globally exposed and deposed well before even world government 8th King arrives prior to Christ. The GB work for the enemy directly as Globalist King North annex-masters. (Daniel 11:32a; Daniel 8:11-12) This subversion is foretold in detail yet very concisely and with that 3rd United Nations event of 1990 as Daniel 11:31b (Dan8:23); thus, it is no wonder JWs boarded the beast as UN NGO endorsers and co-advertisers and silence all Globalist King North World Government in-progress prophecy based on the globalization “gathering” process of Revelation 16:13-16. The JW Media Dumbdown Drug is how JWs still cannot put this UN 3.0 1990 into prophecy as easy as it is with the destruction of the USSR as a global competitor. (Dan11:36 states KN is successful for the whole process to world government, thus the USSR is not King North in any way— it is all now a napping JW decoy handy retained error)

But people are so focused on hands and knees on the whirlwind of GB lawlessness minutia straws so as to miss the needle even if it is sticking them in the knee, again and again. It is a perfect subversion as in Daniel 8:12. And God permits it (2Thess2:11-12) because what it is leading to is the final full and accurate summary BEFORE the rest unfolds after JW Org down of Daniel 8:13-14=Revelation 8 start up. (1Peter 4:17)

The ministry will be cleansed and recovered from all GB malfeasance as their role must be “revealed” well before world government triggers the Christ arrival for sheep-sweep first when Revelation 14:6-8 becomes global reality.
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In all fairness here is what WTBTS teaches TODAY as far as I know; this information is much fresher and more accurate as to the modern WT teachings on salvation at the “conclusion of the system of things” aka-to-JWs “Armageddon”.

1. Even WT teaches many are to be saved at Armageddon battle for global sovereignty of God:

[quote]Watchtower 2008-04-01 Our Readers Ask: Where Will the Battle of Armageddon Be Fought?

God’s battle is directed solely against those humans whom God judges to be incorrigibly wicked.

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2. And WT now teaches some people “in other religions” will also be saved:

[quote]Watchtower 2015-04-09 Article: “Your Deliverance is getting Near”

5 Should we conclude, though, that the destruction of the religions of Babylon the Great results in the death of all the former members of those religions? Apparently not. [/quote]

3. And the WT now even assumes a rapture-like anointed completion process:

[quote]
Watchtower 2015-04-09 Article: “Your Deliverance is getting Near”

15 Does this mean that there will be a “rapture” of the anointed ones? Many in Christendom believe, according to this teaching, that Christians will be bodily caught up from the earth. Then, they expect that Jesus will visibly return to rule the earth. However, the Bible clearly shows that “the sign of the Son of man” will appear in heaven and that Jesus will come “on the clouds of heaven.” (Matt. 24:30) Both of these expressions imply invisibility. Additionally, “flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s Kingdom.” So those who will be taken to heaven will first need to be “changed, in a moment, in the blink of an eye, during the last trumpet.” * (Read 1 Corinthians 15:50-53.) [u]Therefore, while we do not use the term “rapture” here because of its wrong connotation[/u], [b]the remaining faithful anointed will be gathered together in an instant of time.[/b][/quote]

One problem is WT does not promote these ideas enough to counteract the hopeless doomsday scenario they have also promoted in times past as some people quote from the past WT teachings.

If they got rid of many policies well beyond the things written and promoted this more user-friendly theology they could almost save the ship. But, they will not (Zech3:3; Dan8:14); they have also become apathetic on that pile of 50 billion USD net worth, half fully liquid loot. It is best to them WTBTS globalist stranger-CEOs (John10:12 “hired hand”) to dissolve the whole JW Org mess now and transfer the loot to the globalizer engines which is doable in this overall “end of the world” get ready to be delivered larger delusion of 2 Thessalonians 2:1-2 warning note. (WHILE a “self fulfilling prophecy” of the (hoax) “end of the world” can be used as the cover story for JWs and the pretext of the “JW Bunker” JW herding process.)

[u]Thus in more candid fairness, it must be noted that the context in which those positive teachings (2-3) did appear was when selling a clearly erred dubious delusion in the larger overall “Your Deliverance is Getting Near” article context— which is a trick they have used on other occasions in recent times such as in the GB=Faithful Slave promotions. They lace the main cyanide with some upbeat cloaking sugar, in other words.[/u]

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[quote=’Satyros’ pid=’315939′ dateline=’1528509964′]
…Who is the Assyrian?
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Jehovah’s witnesses use former fulfilled prophecy examples and symbology as applying to situations and principles to occur in modern times, in the future. In the original prophecy the Assyrians were the conquering enemies of Israel/Samaria in the 8th century BCE. In that Hosea, Isaiah and Micah prophecy, though, when Assyria tried to ALSO add Jerusalem and all Judea (Isa36:10) to their bag (Isa36-37; Hos1:4-7; Isa31:8-9; Micah 5:5-7), their field force of 185000 soldiers was exterminated by Michael the Archangel (Isa37:33-37), aka “The Destroyer” in Jewish spiritual history.

The “Assyrian” prophecy symbol to JWs today is the enemy sovereign opposers in that speculative (2Thess2:1-2) future context (and from which “Assyrian” enemy they believe they will be “delivered” in the future; and by the same superhuman now super-angelic entity “Michael”, to JWs aka Jesus Christ).

(Amos and Jonah also prophesied on Assyria but the ones noted were in greater detail of the “Assyrian attack on Jerusalem” in particular to that divine “deliverance” of that time frame by super human means (Hos1:4-7) which WT is projecting for a future attack parallel on JWs and eventual deliverance by divine means in modern times.)

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[quote=’Tony Price 77′ pid=’315951′ dateline=’1528537284′]
In the New World Translation,  says:

[quote][i]5 Besides that, I will demand an accounting for your lifeblood. I will demand an accounting from every living creature; and from each man I will demand an accounting for the life of his brother.[/i][/quote]

And other translations render it as:

[quote]New Living Translation
“And I will require the blood of anyone who takes another person’s life. If a wild animal kills a person, it must die. And anyone who murders a fellow human must die.[/quote]

[quote]English Standard Version
And for your lifeblood I will require a reckoning: from every beast I will require it and from man. From his fellow man I will require a reckoning for the life of man.[/quote]

[quote]King James Bible
And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man’s brother will I require the life of man.[/quote]

[quote]Christian Standard Bible
And I will require a penalty for your lifeblood; I will require it from any animal and from any human; if someone murders a fellow human, I will require that person’s life.[/quote]

http://biblehub.com/genesis/9-5.htm

Therefore, it looks like to me that this verse is saying that if both human and animal spills the blood/takes the life of a human being, then they will be punished and be held accountable and will be put to death.

However, I don’t see God punishing/putting to death animals which have spilled the blood of or killed a human being. Nor do I recall in any chapter after Genesis 9 where God punished/put to death any animal which has spilled the blood of man. However, to the contrary, I can think of two incidents where Jehovah caused animals to spill the blood/take the lives of human beings.(See [url=http://biblehub.com/2_kings/9-10.htm][b]2 Kings 9:10[/b]and)

Therefore, I would like to know what your interpretation of this scripture is. Plus, I would like to know what Jehovah’s Witnesses’ interpretation of this scripture is in addition to what TempleJudgment’s interpretation of this scripture is.

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The context of Genesis 9:1-4 shows the lifeblood is sacred regardless if it is man or animal. And though the provision to then eat animals was given there was also accountability in that abuse of the life has an accounting. In time, animals will be at peace and this temporary allowance will cease, it was to save a dying human race and the proof is the blood of lambs was actually covering sins of Israel in God’s accounting. So, not just for sustenance did God allow this the blood of the innocent lambs and rams and other specified creatures in the Mosaic Law also covered human sin temporarily from year to year.

But it was all outlining the logic of blood atonement that would lead to the builder of all these creatures for God the Creator in Jesus Christ as the end of the sacrifices as far as blood. But the Jews were too dull in many cases to catch on to where the lifeblood sanctity and atonement logic was leading. But, others have become aware of the value of the perfect human sacrifice of Jesus Christ to recover not just man, but all creation to be “made new” in everlasting perfection.

For humans it is dependent on perfect obedience to God and like Christ absolute perfect moral integrity and power not now possible in the children of Adam; whose death curse extends down the Genesis 1:26-28 hierarchy.

And so when Christ takes over that immortal life power from him from God Almighty will activate the whole planet so that “EVERYTHING will be alive” as in Ezekiel 47:9, Romans 8:18-22, Ecclesiastes 3:18-21, Revelation 21:1-5, Isaiah 34:14-17, Psalm 133, etc.

1. Not taught by Jehovah’s witnesses at this time, and also most other Christendom academia I know of, animals are resurrected (Matt19:28; Eze47) and BLESSED (Rev22:3) according to the Edenic “families of the ground” which in Genesis 12 includes animals more generically than does Genesis 22 “nations of the earth”, as in Genesis 10 and Romans 13 human “nation” specificity.

2. And since Revelation 22 is finalized under the Kingdom of Christ in that “Holy City”, humans can attain immortality as symbolized in that “tree of life” granted access to those who defeat the final temptation phase lie of Satan and his mad quest for more than is given and to tempt others likewise. JWs cannot see this at this time as well, too many sins from the cursed Zech3:1-3 GB-etc leadership is why. (Dan8:11-12; Dan11:32a; Dan8:13-14)

A real Kingdom which is God’s Kingdom and the Messianic “Kingdom of the son of his LOVE” does NOT forget the little things nor the promised accounting and He is only God Almighty so you can bet it will be to the face; but with repentance as the goal, not an axe grind since Adamic “first death” accounts for most sins. And true justice is not just destruction of unrepentant murderers there is also the full restoration of the victims even from the effects of “Adamic death”.

God does not mess around and when He does act it will be global and to the beginning and the “end” which is just forever. That is why there is no rushing Him, when He moves to keep all the promises it will be enormous and complete in every detail. Just a little more time and a final sovereign line for the 8th King “one world government” boys to cross in the future. (Rev17:8-18) But, cross it they will. (Dan11:45; Dan8:25; Dan2:31-45)

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This new earth new heavens thing is symbolic with real literal effects on Earth:

[quote]Isaiah 24
21 In that day the Lord will punish
the powers in the heavens above
and the kings on the earth below.
22 They will be herded together
like prisoners bound in a dungeon;
they will be shut up in prison
and be punished after many days.
23 The moon will be dismayed,
the sun ashamed;
for the Lord Almighty will reign
on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem,
and before its elders—with great glory.[/quote]

[quote]Revelation 6

12 I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, 13 and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind. 14 The heavens receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.

15 Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and everyone else, both slave and free, hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains. 16 They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us[f] from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of their[g] wrath has come, and who can withstand it?”[/quote]

It is all symbolic of the Kingdom of Christ rulership vanquishing the final Bible prophecy sovereign symbol of the “one world government” which “ascends” from the “abyss” of the next world war “sword stroke”. (Rev13:3; Rev11:7-10; Rev17:8-18)

But, the is a literal “re-creation” by Christ in totality. (Eze47):

[quote]Matthew 19:28

Jesus said to them: “Truly I say to YOU, In the re-creation, when the Son of man sits down upon his glorious throne, YOU who have followed me will also yourselves sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. [/quote]

But Christ as the Hebrews 2:14 and 7:16 new IMMORTAL life-power to then fully empower the universe and earth in a “new creation” manner must also “regenerate” the whole planetary life system for the new beginning in which animals can also live forever but humans can attain the immortality of Revelation 22:

[quote]12 “‘Look! I am coming quickly, and the reward I give is with me, to render to each one as his work is. 13 I am the Al′pha and the O‧me′ga, the first and the last, the beginning and the end. 14 Happy are those who wash their robes, that the authority [to go] to the trees of life may be theirs and that they may gain entrance into the city by its gates. 15 Outside are the dogs…[/quote]

Those “dogs” are not the “man’s best friend” real thing on earth, but evil people, man’s worst enemy in the flesh; and so the prophecy is symbolic with literal effects to to take place in the new earth by the power of the new heavens then run by Christ and the Immortal Kingdom as the cast out Satan and his murderous lying demon cohorts as that “new heavens”.

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Unfortunately that is now the Blackhole of Brooklyn in the cursed King North Globalist Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses (Dan11:32a)— modern aka GB Warlocks of Wallkill. (Daniel 11:32a) But after the cancel the JW ministry as if “the end”, they will be deposed and exposed globally for who they have been from day one 1976. That “the end” is a sword stroke that heals into 8th King world government in the final Rev13:3 cycle of the future. That 1990 3rd UN world-government-in-progress is who JWs endorse as “wildbeast riding” UN NGO, that darkness is now over Jehovah’s witnesses.

Jude calls this JW Corporate Cabal the “certain [anti-christian] men have slipped in”:

[quote]
My reason is that certain men have slipped in who have long ago been appointed by the Scriptures to this judgment, ungodly men…

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I do not implicate Fred Franz and Nathan Knorr in the purpose of this mad GB cabal, they are the ministerial authorities the Korah GB usurped power from to override JWs into the modern Daniel 8:12 subversion very “gradually given over” since 1976:

[quote](Daniel 8:12) And an [JW] army itself was gradually given over, together with the constant [feature], because of transgression; and it [GB “small horn” agents] kept throwing truth to the earth, and it acted and had success.
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Now the GB will be sent into the blackness where they belong as Daniel 8:13-14, and it is timed as the temple judgment final manifestation for future proof to Jehovah’s witnesses and others and it will be Daniel paralyzing (Dan8:27) of “prophetic proportions” on the criminal JW Org at global scale with that GB JW ministry illegal but permitted cancellation to mark the 1Peter 4:17 START of the Daniel 8:14 temple judgment timing.

The fake GB promoted “end of the world” is just 1 Thessalonians 2:1-2 in action from their Revelation 2:2 mouths:

[quote](2 Thessalonians 2:1-3) . . .However, brothers, respecting the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we request of YOU 2 not to be quickly shaken from YOUR reason nor to be excited either through an inspired expression or through a verbal message or through a letter as though from us, to the effect that the day of Jehovah is here. 3 Let no one seduce YOU in any manner, because it will not come unless the [JW] apostasy comes first and the [GB] man of lawlessness gets revealed…
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[quote=’Satyros’ pid=’316258′ dateline=’1528923078′]
By definition, angels aren’t mortal.
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Anything that can be destroyed is mortal, but maybe there is a better term. Immortality is indestructible everlasting life. We do not know the state of the holy angels as the demons proved obedience to God is required to stay alive, the demons will be destroyed in time.

The one who is coming is indestructible immortal and so will the Kingdom participants be in his brotherly state:

[quote](Hebrews 2:14-17) . . .Therefore, since the “young children” are sharers of blood and flesh, he also similarly partook of the same things, that through his death he might bring to nothing the one having the means to cause death, that is, the Devil; 15 and [that] he might emancipate all those who for fear of death were subject to slavery all through their lives. 16 For he is really not assisting angels at all, but he is assisting Abraham’s seed. 17 Consequently he was obliged to become like his “brothers” in all respects. . .

(Hebrews 7:15-17) . . .And it is still more abundantly clear that with a similarity to Melchizedek there arises another priest, 16 who has become such, not according to the law of a commandment depending upon the flesh, but according to the power of an indestructible life, 17 for in witness it is said: “You are a priest forever according to the manner of Melchizedek.”

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The purpose of this immortal hierarchy being implemented under the Kingdom of Christ is the destruction of death (1Cor15:26) by the harmony of all freewill beings under the will of God done on earth, as in heaven. Unlike religious partisanship the salvation is available to ANYONE along this process. Because the end potential goal of humans who conquer Satan’s lie is immortality of Revelation 22:14, animals can live forever as in Ezekiel 47:9 and Romans 8:18-22 in specific to also include them in the current death curse by the Genesis 1:26-28 hierarchy under Adam and woman now under the [[temporary]] death curse of Revelation 22:3 and Genesis 3.

But by the application of indestructible immortal lifepower as the new basis of this planetary life system, planet Earth, all things in its power can live forever, such as the animals of the Edenic purpose. There is the potential of immortality in the blood of Christ which atonement for human sin is just the initial time-giving portion of its ultimate total purpose.

The demon angel enemy system will be exterminated by said immortal power as the end of that process after the 1000 years of Christ’s reign in God’s place by his appointment is completed. No one can ultimately cease the will of Almighty God, but they can try— but they fail and theirs is the last death and the last of death as a systemic curse, but obedience is how to maintain it, but in immortality “going bad” is impossible and humans can also reach that tree of immortality of Revelation 22:14 as it becomes available.

Many things after that are in the realm of the unimaginable, because something too good to be true is just a lie, it will be beyond imagination.

[quote](1 Corinthians 2:9-10) . . .But just as it is written: “Eye has not seen and ear has not heard, neither have there been conceived in the heart of man the things that God has prepared for those who love him.” 10 For it is to us God has revealed them through his spirit, for the spirit searches into all things, even the deep things of God.
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Satan overtook mankind by the lie early on, so all this seems crazy to those under the influence of that lie as a spiritual mental virus which leads men to certain death; but it too can be overcome for the resurrection includes the ignorant who have died and sinners in general. But at Christ arrival the Romans 2 ignorant can also be saved by minding their own conscience in those with humanity left in themselves, only the terminally evil will be deposed in that same “sheep and goat” process coming up, and it continues until after the 1000 years is completed into the final temptation of the dead Devil prior to his termination along with death. (1Cor15:26)

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[QUOTE=minxoto]I’m thinking of the white horse that are mentioned two times in Revelation.

“I looked, and there before me was a white horse! Its rider held a bow, and he was given a crown, and he rode out as a conqueror bent on conquest.” (Rev 6:2)

and

“I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and wages war.” (Rev 19:11)

I’m thinking that white is known to be the color of purity, but it can also has to do with the expression “white lies”.

It might have something to do with chinese astrology and the horse there. Is the white horse a sign of purity and presents white lies because it’s so full of the brown stuff we’re not allowed to mention the name of?

I have personally felt it has come from people’s forehead.

Maybe they should be careful with the sun so they don’t get so brown in the forehead? I’ve heard that too much tanning can lead to cancer.

Are we talking disease and body or an astrological sign?

I’m asking more questions here: Is the brown tanning an evidence that Cancer – both astrological sign and disease – are coming from Africa?

Then I ask again – how do we treat our roots?

And I ask: Is it the roots of our DNA or the roots connected to the teeth in our mouth?

So Jesus had something important to say when he said that the words from our mouth – or the tongue as he named it – can be about life and death?[/QUOTE]

It is related to the Kingdom of Christ, hence the crowns and diadems and his right to rule Earth by superior force because the NWO boys know no other way. In Zechariah 14:20, after Christ vanquishes world government “8th King” of Revelation 17, Revelation 17:14, once they are complete [in the future] that “horse” has warning bells.

It means Christ Kingdom right and power, but war on the rival global sovereign once they complete world government in the future is just one aspect of its eternal ride, it also offers ANYONE salvation as per Revelation 14:6-7 when that Kingdom Air Force of Angels of Christ arrive into active world government brief symbolic “one hour” of global rule. (Rev17:12)

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[QUOTE=ValVan]Can a starseed or lightworker hate the world?
I think I’m a starseed or a lightworker.
When I was a child, I always felt bad when I heard people did things that could harm the earth, I really felt sick, and always wanted to do something to protect the earth.
But these years, something bad happened in my life, and I’m going through a big challenge in life.
Why should I go through these bad things in life? Why me? Do starseeds or lightworkers have a happy and easy life? I can’t help but I am angry at the earth, the laws of nature, I find that the earth, the laws of nature can be so cruel. I even wish there was really the end of the world, all humans die or the earth explodes.
At the same time I am so guilty of these thoughts, why am I so selfish.
I am so guilty of these thoughts it I can’t help thing about it.
Now I feel like I’m in the dark. I want help, why can people help others patiently? Why can’t we love unconditionally?
I just feel helpless.
Why does life on earth have to be so hard and tiring? Why is there so much pain? Why do livings have to suffer?
If I don’t go through something bad, I probably don’t know how hard life can be.
Don’t know how long it will take to have a peaceful and a happy world.
Sorry for send negative vibes and energy…��[/QUOTE]

Though life seems “long” basically everyone from 200 years ago is now gone as far as the human bodily existence and most from even 100 years ago. In time the complete number will have lived the adventure of life here for a collective rebirth for educational purpose of the whole. As you can probably figure out there are darkworkers in this realm and the older ones.

But there is a hierarchy as well, and the light is the life and the power and in time this phase of confusion simply evolves but by superior force for the darkness would stay forever— had it the power.

But alas just a few more years, not tomorrow but by the time a child born today would almost graduate high school the so-called earthly “powers that be” shall cross the global sovereign line in the sand for a unified global rival rulership sold as light, but it is blackness to its core and its rule cannot be permitted long— they get to fulfill the final signal prophecies about themselves such as their “world peace” brand.

Thus, there will come a time all will look on all the stories of this adventure and many have very sad stories to tell, but in past tense for the true purpose of planet Earth will be just starting and eternal joy is its outcome as the darkness is filtered out from among the students because as you can see, some people really love the darkness and until the top of their hierarchy is deposed it is still a struggle, but in the next the tables turn in favor of the light— and ALL of this was just a learning process an adventure and a battle, but to those who stick to the light and love and life hope it will be worth it for everyone will know everyone and diagonally across the plane into the older realm as well and we are talking the number of the stars is their number, the human family is small in comparison back to the beginning.

It seems like it takes forever this is true, but in reality it does transition into the rule of full light but a very challenging period is coming up, it is not a doomsday or other “the end” myth, it is a global crisis which recovers globally into that world government and it is is what is slated for total removal after a brief run because it is a centralized sole darkness at its heart, much different than the rule of many nations. It is not sanctioned, so it will be going much much sooner than the years it took to arrive, it gets 1290 days approximated.

Many will be protected by superior power in that period, it is the period in Daniel 12:11. Just a heads up, they will go into world government AFTER this next “sword stroke” global of Revelation 13:3.

FIGHT like the Tiger, but the spiritual war of light which never dims, that of the Bright Morning STAR. Revelation 22:16 He will even restore all the animals of the Edenic purpose (Eze47:9) because they are his first and what kind of a Kingdom would it be if it forgot the little things?

It is the Kingdom of Light, and it forgets NOTHING in the process which is on the way once the hierarchy of darkness is washed away soon. Not too soon, but not too far either, long enough for you to know this is no empty message nor “crazy” or a joke.

JUSTICE is not just accounting the evil and vanquishing it, it is restoring the victims to the full in the power as well for a totally healing restoration under immortal power at the top of the hierarchy which will be taking over this planet and its celestial environs— FOREVER, then all questions are answered in total perfect recall, THEN all this struggle of todays will make complete sense as to why the fullness of the misery is transformed into the diametric fullness of the joy in triumph and being fully on the side of light for the restoration process and ever forever after.

Good day

The seemingly permanent “food chain” “life is death” algorithm and its eternal entropy myth WILL be easily changed for even everlasting life of the animals in total incorrupt, that is non-decaying, peace forever. THAT is what the “will of God done on Earth, AS IN Heaven” is all about. Believe, and just be patient it WILL be worth the brief wait of a human here, and in total-human-collective number, that too is brief to reach its completeness soon. The earth is a victim, and sometimes it is the victim who gets blamed for the works from the top of the hierarchy of darkness, but it can all be changed, restored and made perfectly eternal in planetary life system GUARANTEED permanence forever, abodes that do not disintegrate in a permanent eternal timeline of existence which is all easily possible in this universes once the darkness is removed, also permanently.

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[QUOTE=DukeForever]Well the subject says it all.

I really don’t want any crazy folks saying some insane sht…. If you’re older than 53 then I know it’s not real.

I need to hear your experiences.[/QUOTE]

There are places above the dust, planets, stars and galaxies—- the place they all came from. What would you call those children?

Don’t get to stuck on human formulas and various limiting opinions which will arise. Keep an open mind and heart as far as possibilities. You already have figured out something is definitely going on down here and probably you have become aware that something is ready to hit a peak of transformation in world power down here as well— and I do NOT mean some doomsday or “end of the world” myth, I mean something that comes in like the other powers have come in, but with more power, but also a far shorter rule.

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[quote=’Satyros’ pid=’316306′ dateline=’1529007852′]
[quote=’TempleJudgment’ pid=’316265′ dateline=’1528927537′]
Anything that can be destroyed is mortal,[/quote]

No, that makes them not indestructible. Being mortal is having the fate to die. All living things on Midgard are mortal; my house is not mortal or immortal, but it can be destroyed.

[quote]the demons will be destroyed in time.[/quote]

Your religion [i]hopes and claims[/i]. Yet some of these “demons” that you name have allegedly been around forever, and their end is nowhere in sight; it’s just a wish and a promise.

Even still, being destroyed is one thing, dying another; they exist within the Spirit realm, and do not cross the bridge of death when “destroyed”. They do not die, thus are not mortal.
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I am not a religious person, religions are the number 1 enemy of God Almighty’s as far as the human realm.

Demons are not immortal which will be proven in time. It is just a message, not a religious one but some may have found the prophecy in Genesis 3:15, etc.

Only God Almighty has been “around” forever, that is why He alone is the Almighty he defines all reality and the organ of its perception and that is why He can create any reality He wants, all beings are at His mercy. Christ is now immortal, his former death proves angels are not immortal by nature, we know humans aren’t, it was an upgrade to indestructible life due to the sacrificial mission accomplished amidst total test and temptation.

Religions will be deposed under world government, Jehovah’s witnesses organization will be brought down (Dan8:13-14) well before world government as a near future clue with the final “sword stroke” cycle (Rev13:3) which precedes and heals into world government. “Religion” has no future, they just serve as the final sign when they are deposed and those assets help the global recovery after this next world war. (Rev17:8-18)

You won’t learn that in any religion. In time, JWs have to carry the same message, but it will be the faith, (Rev14:12) not a “religion”. World Government is the sovereign line crossed that triggers Christ arrival for the sheep-sweep and the sovereign war on the rival demon system then manifested in human world government for a brief symbolic “one hour” of so-called rule. (Rev17:12) Religion should have told you that, but they sold out to state and Satan long long ago, so darkness is the state of their so-called “ministries”.

 

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[quote=’Caesar Saladin’ pid=’316311′ dateline=’1529016946′]
[quote=’TempleJudgment’ pid=’316310′ dateline=’1529013890′]
I am not a religious person, religions are the number 1 enemy of God Almighty’s as far as the human realm.
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I have to ask: if you’re not a religious person, why do you so often quote from the Bible to support your conclusions? Of what relevance is the Bible (OT/NT) without its connection to both Judaism and Christianity?

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The stuff that [ended up] in the Bible is as old as the Devil’s religon of Eden. Now not that age has anything to do with it, all writings of any truth come from a source which is also true as in true history of events and development of nations and say corporate systems, sciences or whatever. That truth is very important to port in errors with, and religions are an example of “full time Bible studiers” who cannot tell the difference between human world government in progress and the Kingdom of Christ which is “not from this world”.

Nicely, the elements of truth that do make it into all the religions as sparse as their concurrence may be, are the ones which one can relate to people of religions or sciences upon. Arguing due to insecurity of one’s own position on the ultimate meaning of these truths goes nowhere. Religions argue so much we have over 50,000 Christendom identified religions may be far more now. They cannot seem to agree on anything and that confusion works towards the detriment of the people who are searching for an answer.

The Bible has the answer for one to read anytime they want. And though religions can help a little when their leader dies as in Christ or Luther or Fred Franz or whatever, a corporate board takes over who count beans and being radical in the best sense of the word and progressive is no longer the goal. So, they stall into sheep sucking lies, all the Christian religions are stalled and in compromise with their King. Jehovah’s witnesses is just the newest example of what happens to a religion when it is ruled by committee. It devolves into a joke.

The sovereign progression of Daniel 2 is from God not a religion. The Babylon to Medo-Persia to Greece sovereign progression is benchmarked by name. Although we have Daniel 8 and 11-12 and Revelation 13 and 17, Daniel 2 alone can tell us where it is going because the continuation from Greece to Rome and Anglo-America in the end equates to the meaning of the whole Daniel 2 “immense image” symbol as WORLD GOVERNMENT. All those prophecies “nKing” and “wildbeast” symbols converge in the end to “8th King” world government all summed up in maybe 4 pages.

Religions try to monopolize what is NOT theirs, such as the Bible and the victims they can draw in to support themselves off of. Many peoples feelings about religions is why they will nto give the Bible a fair shake, religions leave reproach in their wake.

But, the founding of church order is in the Bible, maybe it is just the term “religion” that I over-react to, the “congregation” is a spiritual community founded by Christ for God, so I should cut us a break and realize all human groups based on imperfect sinners will devolve into the lazier aspects of the love of money and power. Unfortunately, once this occurs it is nearly impossible to get them to take it serious again, they just live a life anyone in power would live and I mean, like the Pharisees, that lazy element in corporate religious leadership, the arguably laziest CEOs you will ever happen to study. (No joke and no insult, it is what it is, as Christ said their hearts became weighed down.)

But I have to stress the Book of Invitations, the Bible, is now best read one our own and compared to a world sovereign history headed to world government for that sole global sovereign illegal entity (Rev17:8-18; Dan11:42-45; Dan8:23-25) is what will trigger the Christ arrival with plenty of preceding signalization (over this last decade plus a few years) of what that will mean once this next world war serves its “global problem” purpose to handily resolve into the “global solution” of a said world government.

IN FACT— we do not need prophecy to know where it is going because the United Nations has presented some semblance of itself after every world war including the Cold WW3 and all of them are in prophecy (Rev13:11-15; Rev17:8-11; Dan11:31b). And so will the last UN presentation of the future be in prophecy as world government. But as stated, since they used this world-war-to-world-government global formula three times already, it is a no brainer to see where this newly stirred coals on Russia will now lead; a final “sword stroke” which many will think is “the end of the world” but as per Revelation 13:3 it will recover “heal” into 8th King King North King Fierce world government, by I would venture to guess, 2030.

Because they do this all the time, three times to soon four, we can predict the final cycle due to this formulaic global repetition; we don’t even need prophecy, but with it, it is doubly certain to be going to world government as the Christ trigger rival sole sovereign entity of the future.

Though Jehovah’s witnesses have explained UN 1 and 2 in prophecy in 1919 and 1945, the rest is in the Bible and no religious commentary contains the 3rd UN 1990 meaning in Daniel 11:31b (Dan8:23) and the obvious world government meaning of the terminus of all those prophecies’ whole symbols and the rival sovereign development since Egypt was first marked in prophecy on a number of occasions as Rev13&17 wildbeast head 1, and so on.

In time though, this must become part of a final ministry, I hope it is called the faith though, not a religion for though it is ceased by world government religions are definite for the international outlawed status which is a prophecy as well as the sentiments of the so-called globalist elites of the UN nucleus of world government.

But they own the whole corporate matrix as well and Global NATO which will encompass all the nations weapons systems in time (no matter what they may rebrand the UN and GN as), and that is world government only in the making at this time but only in need of the final global “world peace” presentation of 1 Thessalonians 5:1-3, it already controls 70% but a nation-state mega downturn will seal the national system fate— look at the US, that 21 trillion in debt has sold their soul to the Globalist Central Bank and investment system; just a matter of time and one last economic crash cycle, a big one, btw, and the US national system will be owned, hence Daniel 11:42-43 of the future.

Religions failed to ascertain this, the Bible is where all that is in very elementary symbolic diagrams of the final sovereign evolution of the human ruling system as the nation-state goes bankrupt and defunct into total globalized system ownership and control to 100%, from the 70% we are at now. (Daniel 11:42-43 is clear on this).

But in all fairness the religion labeled “Jehovah’s witnesses” is where I got chapter 1, but the rest had to “explain itself” once the true purpose of globalization and its completion could be clearly ascertained which was for many all post 1990 geo-poltical dynamics making out to alternative news and research sources in large quantity.

Developments like 911 and the 2008 global credit crisis, and for me the revolt of Jehovah’s witnesses by corporate lead, all spell world government progress is about to go into overdrive. The future will give testimony to the veracity of this forecast, JWs go down first as a self-cancelled ministry soon (Dan8:13-14), FYI, to aid your future seriousness on this sovereign issue about to be summed up here on the planet.

This would all be crazy to religious leaders because they are corporate puppets who have sold out on the King or never were really true blue in the first place or are sorely totally misled, but a few are faithful and I am no judge I just know it never has been or is 100% gone bad.

Plus, many will be transferred into life come Revelation 14:6-7 time and there is no “doomsday”, I am not religious nor a doomsdayer, but an anti-doomsday realist of human sovereign system evolution and objectives ascertainable from many writings not just the Bible. I try to promote a very massive scenario that ANYONE can make it through this period into the rule of Christ and many will, they will not be shut out by the evil in this battle with the good.

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King South National Systems (Rom13; Gen10)

King/head 1. Egypt
King/head 2. Assyria
King/head 3. Babylon
King/head 4. Medo-Persia
King/head 5. Greece
King/head 6. Rome
King/head 7. Anglo-America

King North Globalization System

King/head 8. World Government

…and the 8th King is “scarlet wildbeast” WORLD GOVERNMENT in the future.

It is also in Daniel 2 and Revelation 17 parallel in the meaning of the whole prophecy symbol— while JWs are counting Daniel 2 image toes with the GB stallers of Daniel 11:32a oblivious to the trap they are now in. Matt24:15.

===[QUOTE=Honza]Even if God wanted to interfere and perhaps save us; do you think that He could? I see very little evidence that anybody or anyone actually has the strength to do anything much to help. Does God have control over the situation? Is anyone in command? Sometimes I truly doubt it.

Reality/life seems like a huge mass of semi-organised chaos. With no one in particular having any say on the matter.

Sometimes I feel as though God has lost the plot. Perhaps God is dying. It worries me.[/QUOTE]

It is on purpose, he allows control to the evil for a season. Then He proves once and for all he is the only one in control; this is all for the education of the future human population of Earth which will include all humans who have not followed evil to the point of everlasting deposition.

The issue is one of the power not of might, but of sovereignty and a regard for a personal freewill; it has to be like this to see what side of the issue humans will arrive at on their own, first.

If God intervened now people could claim their own sovereignty is not of freewill basis, so we must live and learn the hard way first. The evil side is a coercion process based on deception and that actually ends up working in the human behalf because it is quite effective. Thus, a generous allowance will be given to those who have been fully fooled by this production in this cycle of the rule of genius evil.

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[QUOTE=DukeForever]Something is definitely going on down here and probably you have become aware.. That something…. Is ready to hit a peak.

I guess I gave up. That meant something to me. It doesn’t now. I do know that it’s not some SUPER alien invasion…. It’s actually refugees… But I guess that will be another time.

As A Race. Do you really think that ANY of you would stand up for the other guy? I’ve had a LOT of time to think about this… And it seems everyone is still an animal… Only thinking about themselves. Would You..

As a person…

Stand up for another human who is in peril?[/QUOTE]

The earthly audience is diverse but the goal of evil is one. The mindset must be programmed to anticipate many scenarios including:

1. “the end of the world”

2. Alien invasion

3. Arrival of Christ

4. “Armageddon”

5. The golden age

6. Anti-Christ

7. etc

All of that and more can be made to seem real but the goal is getting human to accept world government rather than the real Kingdom of eternity.

I am Anti-Doomsday because I know that “predictive program” is a hoax with the goal of fear to be relieved by world government as the “global solution” as in Revelation 13:3.

I am anti-religion because they all sold their souls in their corporate leadership in a stalled shadow of darkness under enemy system control— religions end up being God’s main functional enemy by dysfunctional spirituality and corruption for earthly temptations of power and wealth. (People in religions are victims, they can be recovered; Rev14:6-7, and many will be.)

Bitter attitudes progress to resignation and apathy, it is useless. Love does stand up and fights like the tiger who may be scared, he may get shot, but the tiger is the tiger the known superior to human by sheer might and perfect beauty and purpose for this cycle. But it is a good fight, murdering the enemy is not in this game because they win by bloodguilt— it is defeating hatred by doing good.

It may sound cliche, but to the victor it is the way and the separation will be real because the evil over this world is incapacitated in time, the evil in the world is deposed. It is the only way for love to rule, from the Immortal Spirit that will require superior force and power, the Cosmic Lion has that right from God Almighty and that is how it ends for world government. The spirit evil is neutralized by that superior power— but alive. (Isaiah 24:21-22)

Attitudes of vanquished resignation and despair must be overcome, that energy is of no use but for more of the problem here. Just have to fight it to win. The victory is far beyond this world’s toys, so-called power and lame riches, it is the whole universe worth of understanding and how to apply it for good of earth and its everlasting restoration to be under immortal good forever and what must be done to rid the evil will be done as the education of humans progresses.

The problem now is evil is allowed to reign for sovereign issue process to play out in everyone in different ways. But that reign ends, that problem is removed at the scale it is at now from the spirit realm. But, small attempts will be quelled in the micro-second of their move to fruition in the next. That is why there is none after the next in Universal Life Kingdom power. (Dan2:31-45; Rev14:6-7)

When a “New Universal Order” is coming a New World Order is small minded and in many errors and weaknesses. Don’t get bogged down with what human calls understanding, humans know very very little of what there is to know on this planetary ship. It is already traveling space. lol

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Since we have the record of what the Jewish leaders did to the “Son of God” had Daniel not been under the care of King Neb who knows what they would have done to him as it was a period of severe “unhappy campering”. We cannot trust Jewish leadership on anything if they could not even ID the Messiah in their face but executed him instead when he messed with their Temple Central Bank Currency Exchange and denounced their authority and rode in as the real King.

All it does is raise doubts for people keeping them stalled.

Daniel 2 is a perfect sovereign progression from Babylon to world government, world government “8th King” of Revelation 17 being the meaning of that whole “immense image”. For it to come out in a low point of Israel’s history it was a consolation for the faithful. Daniel 2 is the first and most basic sovereign prophecy which leads to the Christ arrival in that “stone” that depsoes world government after it arises in the future.

Daniel 7 and 8 get into more detail, Daniel 11-12 the most detailed. But for Daniel 12:7 and 12:11 also “week” the final warning of the future will be ceased as in Daniel 12:11 half-criteria of 1290 days activation and Revelation 11:7-10 also at the “half of the week” as in after the 1260 days has passed fulfilled and accomplished to the full. (Daniel 9:27 applied to Revelation 11; principle of Genesis 7:4 “week” as well)

So, for your FUTURE view on this prophecy that whole week of the 1260 and 1290 days of the future is OPEN FOR SALVATION and Revelation 14:6-7 activates in the 1290 days as the “three and a half days” death state of the two witnesses elapses (Rev11:7-10) as world government “ascends from Rev17:8-11 “abyss”, into the beginning of the 1290 days whose other criteria of activation is officially ruling and stated world government 8th King King North.

We are past whether Jesus Christ is the Messiah and King, it is now time for the final global indications of his arrival to become more and more known especially when this next world war “sword stroke” results (Rev13:3; Isa41:1), not in “doomsday” and “the end of the world”, but in a global “healing” recovery into 8th King WORLD GOVERNMENT, to then depose global religions corporate “harlot” (Rev17:8-18; Rev16:17-20) freeing many to preservation as in Revelation 14:6-8 and Revelation 11:11-13.

Then you can also note over these last few years en route to world government just how real, divine and accurate Daniel the prophet is by God’s power to ID world government as the last sovereign symbol and global signal to emerge PRIOR TO the full blown Christ arrival “at the half of the week” as the final warning 1260 days expires into exactly what it will have warned of: The King coming to take the trophy of planet Earth— and with enough forewarning to make it beneficial for many in Revelation 7:9-17 via Revelation 14:6-7 open salvation offer applied globally to the willing.

As with Jehovah’s witnesses refusing to ID the final prophecy symbol in world government as the prophecy terminus of the future, religion has sold out to earthly desires like power, control and riches. All corporate religions are of no use, they sold out as did the Pharisees of old, as do the Jewish leaders today— they will endorse world government as if the “Kingdom of God”.

JWs are cleansed and recovered from Daniel 8:13-14 temple judgment for the final invitation of Revelation 10-11 final round, witnessing 2, future.

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[QUOTE=”Lanolin, post: 474306, member: 15413″]Startemple, this is already happening now cremation is so common. People arent even burying their loved ones anymore they are just burning/incinerating them.

I remember several people remarking to me when their grandparents died, they said they didnt care about where they were buried, it cost too much, and they said that since their body was useless they didnt care what happened to them, and it didnt matter if they just threw them in the garbage dump.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=”Lanolin, post: 474306, member: 15413″]Startemple, this is already happening now cremation is so common. People arent even burying their loved ones anymore they are just burning/incinerating them.

I remember several people remarking to me when their grandparents died, they said they didnt care about where they were buried, it cost too much, and they said that since their body was useless they didnt care what happened to them, and it didnt matter if they just threw them in the garbage dump.[/QUOTE]

It is part of s spiritual war on undermining nations for world government ownership— it is very gradual, but it leads to the clear final indicator of the Christ arrival. They use world war Rev13:3 as the coup de grace on the national sovereignty by massive debt and financial dependency on a global banking system in corporate control, not subject to any national inspection. Undermining the family is not all they are up to, they want to also discredit Christian prophecy. Thus, if we pay attention we will see Daniel 11:42-43 become reality as the national system arrangement is superseded by a world government arrangement based on the completion of the globalization process. It is a mega-divide then conquer operation against all the nations which are sanctioned in relative position by God since Genesis 10 as Romans 13. God has only sanctioned a “world government” under Christ, not the corporate system who owns all that national debt for their own future power play of Revelation 17:8-18. Rev17:12 “one hour” symbolic of world government is coming, but it triggers the Christ arrival— we have a few more years for them to cross that sovereign line over plant Earth.

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[QUOTE=theophilus]The rider in revelation 6 will a bow and one crown. The rider in Revelation 19 will wear many crowns and have a sword coming out of his mouth. The first rider will pretend to be the Messiah and will later be described as a seven headed beast.[/QUOTE]

There are TWO witnesses in Revelation 11. Why 2? Because Christ has TWO Kingdom manifestations, the first is in God’s Kingdom, that Daniel 7 ceremony of Revelation 4-5 which led to Revelation 6.

That Kingdom is not to rule Earth directly as will Christ SECOND Kingdom manifestation in the MESSIANIC Kingdom accomplish in the future— so the crown is real, but of Heaven as given by God, but the BOW is a long range weapon as in Christ not being present in “great power and great glory”— yet, it was all just a warning so far. This is because Christ as King in God’s Kingdom oversees what he was granted to see by God in the “seven seals”, which seventh seal is the actuality, the seven trumpets whose SECOND cycle of the future will indeed lead to that arrival in “great glory” “all eyes will see”.

THAT Messianic Kingdom CORONATION OF THE FUTURE, (after the NWO completes their own “kingdom” in world government), is the King of kings crowning of Christ with universal diadems and all Earthly crowns and scepters as the “Son of David” Kingdom heir that WILL rule Earth by power and great glory and in a very direct manner.

That is the SWORD, the close range, in the enemy face, type of rulership as opposed to the long range preparatory “bow”.

Each of the TWO witnesses will have given a 1260 days preceding Kingdom Proclamation when the future one completes, the first was in 1914-1918, and together they complete “seven times” as 2520 days as each Kingdom manifestation of Christ has a global announcement, but the last one as the world heads through “sword stroke” (Rev13:3) into 8th King World Government ascendant “healing”.

As we move through Daniel 8:13-14 which comes on modern Jehovah’s witnesses global ministry to cease it temporarily— a temple judgment event all can verify soon, in the future in that Daniel 8:14 timing, we will see the cleansing for the preparation of the final 1260 days as once again, as in WW1, the world moves into a very distracting global “sword stroke” scenario which runs its deceptive seeming “doomsday” course into instead WORLD GOVERNMENT King North 8th King. And as we step through those final eyars into the Daniel 12:11 1290 days OPEN SALVATION PERIOD the the Christ arrival for sheep-sweep-global first in priority, it will get Revelation 14:6-7 clear as day what the choice is to be with the Victor’s Camp:

Chose God, chose Christ as Kingdom King of kings and not the human/demon NWO United Nations Executive Branch World Government 8th King “Scarlet Wildbeast” and its Rev13:15-18 international law promoted 666.

That post “sword stroke” and post global-corporate-deposition in Revelation 17:8-18 is when they utter their final “world peace” under complete ruling world government (Rev17:12) as in 1 Thessalonians 5:1-3.

Many will be swept into Camp Victory from the global deposition of global-corporate-religion “Babylon the Great” as it is being deposed and why Revelation 14:8 is the concluding sign of the Revelation 14:6-8 live saving Christ Conquest process that is the White Hose final trampling of world government as King of kings in the war of the great day of God the Almighty. (Rev16:13-16)

Jot it down, it all comes true over several final years.

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[QUOTE=theophilus]The rider in revelation 6 will a bow and one crown. The rider in Revelation 19 will wear many crowns and have a sword coming out of his mouth. The first rider will pretend to be the Messiah and will later be described as a seven headed beast.[/QUOTE]

There are TWO witnesses in Revelation 11. Why 2? Because Christ has TWO Kingdom manifestations, the first is in God’s Kingdom, that Daniel 7 ceremony of Revelation 4-5 which led to Revelation 6.

That Kingdom is not to rule Earth directly as will Christ SECOND Kingdom manifestation in the MESSIANIC Kingdom accomplish in the future— so the crown is real, but of Heaven as given by God, but the BOW is a long range weapon as in Christ not being present in “great power and great glory”— yet, it was all just a warning so far. This is because Christ as King in God’s Kingdom oversees what he was granted to see by God in the “seven seals”, which seventh seal is the actuality, the seven trumpets whose SECOND cycle of the future will indeed lead to that arrival in “great glory” “all eyes will see”.

THAT Messianic Kingdom CORONATION OF THE FUTURE, (after the NWO completes their own “kingdom” in world government), is the King of kings crowning of Christ with universal diadems and all Earthly crowns and scepters as the “Son of David” Kingdom heir that WILL rule Earth by power and great glory and in a very direct manner.

That is the SWORD, the close range, in the enemy face, type of rulership as opposed to the long range preparatory “bow”.

Each of the TWO witnesses will have given a 1260 days preceding Kingdom Proclamation when the future one completes, the first was in 1914-1918, and together they complete “seven times” as 2520 days as each Kingdom manifestation of Christ has a global announcement, but the last one as the world heads through “sword stroke” (Rev13:3) into 8th King World Government ascendant “healing”.

As we move through Daniel 8:13-14 which comes on modern Jehovah’s witnesses global ministry to cease it temporarily— a temple judgment event all can verify soon, in the future in that Daniel 8:14 timing, we will see the cleansing for the preparation of the final 1260 days as once again, as in WW1, the world moves into a very distracting global “sword stroke” scenario which runs its deceptive seeming “doomsday” course into instead WORLD GOVERNMENT King North 8th King. And as we step through those final years into the Daniel 12:11 1290 days OPEN SALVATION PERIOD the the Christ arrival for sheep-sweep-global first in priority, it will get Revelation 14:6-7 clear as day what the choice is to be with the Victor’s Camp:

Chose God, chose Christ as Kingdom King of kings and not the human/demon NWO United Nations Executive Branch World Government 8th King “Scarlet Wildbeast” and its Rev13:15-18 international law promoted 666.

That post “sword stroke” and post global-corporate-deposition in Revelation 17:8-18 is when they utter their final “world peace” [[and security]; Dan8:25] under complete ruling world government (Rev17:12) as in 1 Thessalonians 5:1-3.

Many will be swept into Camp Victory from the global deposition of global-corporate-religion “Babylon the Great” as it is being deposed and why Revelation 14:8 is the concluding sign of the Revelation 14:6-8 live saving Christ Conquest process that is the White Hose final trampling of world government as King of kings in the war of the great day of God the Almighty. (Rev16:13-16)

Jot it down, it all comes true over several final years.

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[QUOTE=Morpheus]My mistake, Corinthians is not included. But, I see it is 2 Thessalonians 2.
A man of lawlessness, Son of Perdition.

This is the first white horse reference in Revelation.

Which understanding is in context with other verses, such as what the Lord shared about, “Peace”.
Aligning also with the understanding of the Tribulation period beginning with a false peace.

Culminating with great devastation, before His return.

My thoughts are that something causes a worldwide resolution for global peace. Which event may include “the Rapture”.
Scriptures indicate that this “peace” will last only briefly.
The “mark” will be instituted during this time, apparently, which will give a sense of peace.[/QUOTE]

Morpheus, this is going to be HUGE, world government is what utters the world peace mantra all will clearly hear of post Revelation 13:3 as 1Thessalonians 5:1-3 and Daniel 8:25 “time of security”.

As such the “anti-christ” has all dimensions of deceptive world power, governmental, and religious. But since world government outlaws global-corporate-religion under world government to bolster the world peace effect, TODAY fraud corporate-religion-global is who contains the specific fake-christian leadership of that “man of lawlessness” “in the temple of the God”. (But their is a fraud analog principle in all corporate controlled global-religion, they will all hail the NWO, that is how you will know the fraud.)

The 2Thessalonians 2 “lawless one” is the religious anti-Christ who will also promote world government and endorse its arrival— after which that fraud is deposed.

It is also NOT the Revelation 16 “false prophet” whose main frog-prophecy is “an everlasting new world order”, THAT is the Satanic Religious “false prophet” element of the Anti-Christ scarlet wildbeast world government which encompasses an enormity beyond just its religious elements there described. That is why “son of destruction” and “false prophet” is just part of the “anti-christ” world government “8th King” development, Anti-Christ is the WHOLE thing, world government under Satan the main anti-christ of the spirit realm, also “seven headed”, but the “dragon” component.

It is HUGE/ But the Kingdom of God and the Kingdom of Christ are both bigger, faster, smarter, and more powerful. Together anti-Christ is but a bug splattered on their windshield.

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[QUOTE=Morpheus]My mistake, Corinthians is not included. But, I see it is 2 Thessalonians 2.
A man of lawlessness, Son of Perdition.

This is the first white horse reference in Revelation.

Which understanding is in context with other verses, such as what the Lord shared about, “Peace”.
Aligning also with the understanding of the Tribulation period beginning with a false peace.

Culminating with great devastation, before His return.

My thoughts are that something causes a worldwide resolution for global peace. Which event may include “the Rapture”.
Scriptures indicate that this “peace” will last only briefly.
The “mark” will be instituted during this time, apparently, which will give a sense of peace.[/QUOTE]

Morpheus, this is going to be HUGE, world government is what utters the world peace mantra all will clearly hear of post Revelation 13:3 as 1Thessalonians 5:1-3 and Daniel 8:25 “time of security”.

As such the “anti-christ” has all dimensions of deceptive world power, governmental, and religious. But since world government outlaws global-corporate-religion under world government to bolster the world peace effect, TODAY fraud corporate-religion-global is who contains the specific fake-christian leadership of that “man of lawlessness” “in the temple of the God”. (But their is a fraud analog principle in all corporate controlled global-religion, they will all hail the NWO, that is how you will know the fraud.)

The 2Thessalonians 2 “lawless one” is the religious anti-Christ who will also promote world government and endorse its arrival— after which that fraud is deposed.

It is also NOT the Revelation 16 “false prophet” whose main frog-prophecy is “an everlasting new world order”, THAT is the Satanic Religious “false prophet” element of the Anti-Christ scarlet wildbeast world government which encompasses an enormity beyond just its religious elements there described. That is why “son of destruction” and “false prophet” is just part of the “anti-christ” world government “8th King” development, Anti-Christ is the WHOLE thing, world government under Satan the main anti-christ of the spirit realm, also “seven headed”, but the “dragon” component.

It is HUGE/ But the Kingdom of God and the Kingdom of Christ are both immortal, bigger, faster, smarter, and more powerful. In any case, anti-Christ is but a bug splattered on their immortal windshield.

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[QUOTE=jojo50]I went back and read the book you had post, nothing in it refers to the white horse in the book of Revelation. Paul was speaking to the Thessalonian Christians. he was basically telling them to stand firm in their faith. and some of these obviously have that Heavenly calling. he’s telling them to NOT believe everything that seem to be from them, but isn’t. they need to check first to see if it is.

“Son of Perdition” can either be taken singular or plural. but in this case Paul was referring to false teachings, ([COLOR=”DarkRed”][B]Matt. 24:24 For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect[/B][/COLOR]), which comes by many who satan uses. these are doomed for destruction. those who have that Heavenly ,if not on guard, can be led away from the truth which will cost them that Heavenly reward.

man will call out peace, because it would seem that way. but they will be fooled, that’s when the End will hit ,([COLOR=”DarkRed”][B]1Thess. 5:3 For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape[/B][/COLOR]). true!, there will soon be global peace on Earth, but not by means of ANY human government,([COLOR=”DarkRed”][B]Dan. 2:44)[/B][/COLOR]. it will be Jehovah God’s doing, by means of our reigning king Jesus Christ and his 144,000 who will rule with him, ([COLOR=”DarkRed”][B]Rev. 5:10[/B][/COLOR]). and this will last forever! peace[/QUOTE]

Things have changed since 1970. Now WORLD GOVERNMENT is what is clearly seen as the required final prophecy fulfillment in a sole global sovereignty to trigger Christ arrival.

Under 8th King world government after the Babylon the Great global deposition is when their ‘world peace and security” mantra is complete in official form and the conquest phase 1 is securing sheep in that whole period. As per Revelation 14:6–8 that open salvation offer is being given by angels of Christ as BTG is being deposed, as ANYONE can accept that Rev14:6-7 offer.

The latest “son of destruction” is the clergy of Jehovah’s witnesses because as per Daniel 8:12 they subvert JWs and suppress the explanation of the final King North, 8th King WORLD GOVERNMENT prophecy fulfillment final detail.

As per Revelation 13:3 there is to be a final global “sword stroke” but it is not the JW “end of the world” nor anyone else’s prediction of doomsday, it globally “heals” into world government. Daniel 8:13-14 comes on JW Org next, the Governing Body is the final “man of lawlessness” signal and corruption who will topple “five foolish virgins” worth of modern anointed Christians in this very deceptive JW based final apostasy to be exposed in a final warning after the temple judgment of Daniel 8:13-14 runs over the current JW apostasy and UN NGO wildbeast ride as they conceal King North as globalism based WORLD GOVERNMENT, for a while longer.

The GB must be deposed and exposed to fulfill 2Thess2:1-4. Daniel 8:13-14 is also Revelation 8 temple judgment final cycle inception to Rev9 cleansed judgment recovery for the final warning.

JWs will fall prey to the “lawless one” GB “the end is here brothers” of 2 Thess 2:1-2 explicit warning about such fake Armageddon hoax setups. But it will just become the “sword stroke” which “heals” into said global 8th King Scarlet Wildbeast WORLD GOVERNMENT which events to follow and that 8th King complete trigger the Christ arrival.

JWs have been infiltrated, from within comes the misleading by the GB. It is also Daniel 11:32a, there modern stumbling is Daniel 11:33-35 that ceases when Daniel 8:13-14 is halfway done— that is “the evening” of darkness “trampling” desolation is done for “the morning” of recovery for the final warning. (Dan8:26)

This is why that prophecy wiped Daniel out, Dan8:27, it shall be global and enormous on this now derailed JW ministry for a sign, Isaiah 28:21 sign.

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[quote=’Caesar Saladin’ pid=’316729′ dateline=’1529602920′]
[quote=’TempleJudgment’ pid=’316721′ dateline=’1529599939′]
In the Christian spiritual forensics, etc.
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Okay, so I’ll ask it in a different way:

Why pray to God to destroy or banish your demons when you can ask him to give you the strength to handle it yourself?

Asking for God to handle your business is nothing but admitting you’re weak and can’t do for yourself. Where’s the honor or self-respect in that? Even if you fail, at least you will have tried- by asking someone else to do your dirty work for you, you illustrate why the demons came around to begin with: you’re an easy target.

Make yourself a hard target. Keep your axe sharp and know how to use it.

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Human being is no tiger, yes human is weak— very weak, hundreds of animals are far more powerful of might, even an ant in relative terms. If God wanted men to fight there are far more formidable weapons on a pit bull or a hawk than a human, it is all Hollywood violence and ego stroking to think a man is not easy to drop, one knee injury incapacitates any man, this is no “mission impossible” where human bounces off of steel and concrete and is just fine, not even winded— it is all a delusion for the small man in us all. Those who require violence to prove anything are little infants spiritually. Very weak, very easily offended, very sensitive under cover of the tough man delusion.

The rougher exteriors belie the tender inside of human, humans fearing many things such as defeat, exposure, disclosure, etc. Human would be better off working with each other, rather than in strange gender based battles of delusional superiority, but, it is what it is, few figure out the real rules to the power game. If man had power they would not need weapons and armor. Does a Nile croc need armor? THAT is power. Does the Tiger shark need a helmet? Compared to men, they are far more powerful.

That human may think he is powerful and have to play that game of ego and image is actually a great sign of inner weakness and why such “machismo” is so appealing to so many. The most powerful personage to ever walk this planet, Jesus Christ, has shown what is required to achieve true great power; he had to die the death of a weakling first, now he is indestructible. It takes self-obliterating humility to get power from God, he knows human motive well he is not fooled by the “big man”.

Your question is not really that profound for God’s option to impart power beyond the ordinary may very well be how God handles it, it is up to him. But as shown in the Bible there are demons and and there are times they have to be run out of town. We are all subject to many ideas about power and man that are myths, all grow old, break down, degenerate in mind, etc, then die.

THAT is weakness. But another power system is coming which in time will also include indestructible humans (Rev22:14) but achieving that is not according to this world rules on acquiring power, those rules we keep one in remedial baby watch. This world is in for more humiliations in the learning process that humans are not any definition of power except against other weak humans.

Now angels are another story entirely.

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