September 2018

[quote=’Jack Reynolds’ pid=’319808′ dateline=’1533745322′]
Who decides what will help humans understand? Who’s opinion is valid? Will disputes lead to problems? How does anyone know anything about this subject?
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There is a hierarchy above the physical beyond human being and current understanding is incomplete and there is a dispute going on here as to what truth is and who decides from the guesswork to apply it to nations evolving to a global governance slowly but surely.

Disputes can potentially lead to problems as well as solutions.

Trial and error is what humans chose long ago as how to get knowledge of “good and bad” which is a knowledge of truth and lies wherein lies are mixed in with the bad because good and truth were the default setting but the desire for more before its time allowed the battle of good and evil to begin, slowly but surely.

In time it will get very clear where the dispute is leading as national powers become dependent on a globalized power system and the sovereign dispute in the human world will become obvious as nations have to relinquish power to their new master but they do it voluntarily inspite of warnings from those who treasured national autonomy as they were neutralized in the process slowly but surely.

People have time to figure it out so time-leaks are employed to attempt to keep everyone guessing as time runs out in this global sovereign process leading not to a “doomsday” or “the end” MYTH but to the crystallization of the human ruling issue. But Earth will not be given up to a trial and error that led to an attempt at centralized but distributed global domination and by that time it will be clear enough for anyone to paint the final picture which is a transition into the apex of that hierarchy for good purposes of global deliverance and restoration to the fullest optimized potential which current systems and methods fail to understand or achieve in lieu of symbols and human power myths as national truths taught from birth.

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[quote=’cfyahoo08′ pid=’319174′ dateline=’1533388007′]
How can we ever have a Utopian society with so many different world views ,individual tastes, interests and freedoms at stake ?
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The world view and definition of freedom is the only problem. Varied tastes and interests can be easily accommodated when the world view is one and freedom is understood. For example “freedom” lies cannot be used for destruction of life which was just the quest to own more of planet Earth behind the scenes by the real powers in the national head and underbelly, the greed-to-death core. The real issue is right and power as one. He with the right will have the power which humans lack so they have to “work together” to try to resist the real power because humans have no power, just a few toys they think is power. POWER for real can do anything, thank G O D it is not really in human hands.

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Most major parables parallel prophecies for added detail. Like the ten virgins is a parallel of the temple judgment, and the two witnesses means it must happen one more time, but on JWs this time as Daniel 8:13-14. By all the paralells of multiple parables and prophecies we know all the needed details of the event and its purpose: final purified clarification for the final 1260 days warning of the future. It is now a no-brainer to understand this.

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Anointing process must vary as shown in the Bible as does the means of calling or requesting as shown in the Bible. What we know is the ten virgins is a major parallel of the temple judgment as a parable of detail; such as five foolish virgins of ANOINTED being rejected in the near future. So, the good news from all this JW-centric bad news is MORE ANOINTED will be needed and it is why the JW anointings have been INCREASING as a new anomaly lately. It is getting ready for the half anointed fall out coming up in the Daniel 8:13-14 events and timing.

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Yes. Not much, but the disaster coming on JW Org by design, btw, will eventually make it obvious the problem is real and will get a response; but the overall reason is actually beneficial inspite of the circumstances. The [JW Version] “end of the world” “self fulfilling prophecy” is being used to mask what is just a global-mundane dissolution of the 30+ billion dollar WTBTS. JWs will take a “hard hitting [end of the world] judgment message” out at that time (WT 11/13), (it takes a few years to dissolve WTBTS), which “JW Doomsday Message” will become a laughing stock because only JW Org apostasy is ending. The cover story is used to keep JWs paralyzed and herdable as they will unfortunately think, in error, it just must be “the end”, but it is all orchestrated for the score and to shut up JWs for a while beyond just being outdated in relevance as to their own dated commentary on prophecy as they fulfill the final apostasy rather than explain it. JW Org goes down first, that will be the future verification. The world just goes the course of crisis recovery to the next version of governance. (Rev13:3) It is a very old tried-and-true pattern of mundane power consolidation in action. (Dan11:42-43)

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[quote=’ShariKind’ pid=’317355′ dateline=’1531101293′]
[quote=’TempleJudgment’ pid=’311137′ dateline=’1525136459′]
[quote=’Goldenrain’ pid=’284634′ dateline=’1491378072′]
Apparently the JW cult believes only 144,000 of their lot will make it into heaven. So presumably a selection process will take place, and those that don’t make it will join the rest of us in hell?

If so few are going to be invited through the Golden Gate, why are they always trying to get more converts, it doesn’t make any sense to me?
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Jehovah’s witnesses believe there are “many worlds”[abodes]. The spirit realm and the material realm would contain some of these places and each have intelligent beings eventually all “in God’s image” including human beings.

Hell is a place for the dead who have a resurrection, the dead being non-existent. What JWs do not teach is that Solomon prophesied in Ecclesiastes 3 that “the beasts” are also in this place, termed in Hebrew as “Sheol”. Thus, according to God animals are also restored by Christ as in Isaiah 34:14-17.

The 144000 is a literal number to JWs of those destined by anointing and proof of faithfulness for the immortal state of Christ to rule in a “New Universal Order”. That final rulership is a heavenly government with a “Kingdom of David” agency, the Messianic Kingdom which shall become Earth’s new government when that 144000 “Messianic Kingdom Court” number completes from its now incomplete state also about to be depleted in “five foolish virgins” anointed Christian fall out due to apostasy.

Whether literal or symbolic it shows, imo, God intends a completion of a limited ruling Court under Christ all from former sinful humans except Christ.

JWs do not teach that last detail of modern apostasy by but not limited to, for example, UN NGO treason with the rival world government-in-progress, but then again Israel never did see its own apostasy either as both came to trust sinful men in cabals of self-appointed authority rather than God and the rule book of its time.

Daniel 8:13-14 will now come on JW Org, so stay focused on Jehovah’s witnesses for good or bad because the final open salvation offer proclamation will emerge from Jehovah’s witnesses downfall-to-recovery soon over a few final years.
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@TempleJudgment
You said Jehovah’s witnesses believe there are “many worlds”[abodes]. They do? You think abodes means worlds?
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An ant walks on a tree in some distant place which is his world. JWs vary, but the [possibility] “abodes” ultimate meaning is enormous in meaning would not be unbelievable to JWs. (For example, just because Jude says the demon angels forsook their own “proper dwelling place” does not mean it was heaven, they can also dwell in other galaxies or “heavenly places” possibly. It is open for interp)

The Bible already states the “heavenly places” as in say Eph6:12 and heaven are not the same “place” so even at present JWs could know the angels are involved with many “heavenly places” as the physical universe is one, human has just not actually seen or been told of them other “worlds”, but they are there. Current human physics cannot explain how it is all actually one as in God’s will done in heaven is eventually seamless with earth as angels have been here much longer than humans but their “abode” is not here, but things to do are. Though heaven is their origin, we cannot know where they can abide, we can only guess but they are capable of physical interaction being much more familair with its powers than are humans. Calling angels “stars” in the Bible is not accidental as in the context of what they actually do for God.

JWs would believe these things for they are in the Bible but their “Governing Body” is on a dumb-down agenda so as to only preach to JWs the same message (Dan11:32a) as from the 1970s, JW Media preaches to JWs to keep them sending in money, they do not preach to humanity anymore as is evidenced at said JW Media and its brainwash videos. Once a group of leaders becomes obsessed with keeping the sheep in pens [rather than] increase the flock it is done and they have to limit the commentary so as not to wake any sheep. The JW ministry is thus in a deep coma for this has been in action gradually given over since 1970s. (Dan8:12b)

JWs are in retrograde now, non-progressive and teaching dated nation-state prophecy commentary from the 1950s in spite of rampant globalization for world government purpose. Instead JWs UN NGO endorsed the 3rd UN presentation prophecy of 1990 in Daniel 11:31b rather than explain it. King North is GLOBALIST world government in progress not a failed nation-state USSR bloc failure. (See Dan11:36)

Now JWs don’t know what they believe more than they think they believe if one was able to really question them and the GB Cabal is why. And this is not “speakign against” JWs, this is the way it simply really is just as Ted Bundy’s criminal record being reviewed is not “speaking against” Ted— it simply is what it is.

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Btw, to me abodes can be worlds, but more specific it is a “proper dwelling place” within a world. It is a place, an eternal place that Christ creates from God for the next universal government members which in turn restores humanity and all life on earth with also a “new abode” in that this time it can be permanent, not ended by death or the enemy— God’s will done on earth to give humans THE REAL FUTURE, one that is everlasting and with greatest of progressively revealed meaning, eternal meaning forever Rev21:1-5. True happiness and total optimized perfect life to the maximum, not like this lame-sham humans have today here. A real Kingdom does not forget the little things, so Ezekiel 47 shows animals can also live forever too and their “families of the ground” will ALSO be restored in deathless perfection (Gen12), humans as in Rev22 can attain immortality too, it drives the rest as it is driven from God, immortal source of life; Heb2:14.

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[QUOTE=kjw47;n5433136]templejudgement— YHVH through his son is about to show the world they are in error very badly. They believed in this mass of confusion( 33,999 trinity religions) they pass this 100%-Mark 3:24-26–A house divided will not stand. And fail this true mark-100%-1Corinthians 1:10–Unity of thought-no division= one single religion. Because they relied on the religion that came out of Romes translating. It was all that was left by the time protestants translated. They fixed little of the errors.[/QUOTE]

King North is globalist world government in progress, 1990 UN presentation JWs joined as UN NGO is the real Daniel 11:31b. So, what I mean is JWs ply a dated prophecy commentary and ride the wildbeast by GB lead, so more has to happen as in the real Daniel 8:13-14. JWs are involved now in an 8th King World Government cover up of Daniel 8:12. So, JWs lie by omission of the completion of the explanation of the final global indications of the Christ arrival for their 2Thess2:1-2-like premature end of the world delusion. JWs did start it, they just refuse to finish it. They are the final apostasy signal thereby, it leads to Zech 3 Dan8:13-14 next, then the final 1260 days for TWO “witnesses” since 1914, Rev11.

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In Revelation 22 by the time the immortal “holy city” has “come down” to Earth in Christ’s rule in action, HUMAN BEINGS can defeat Satan and get access to the Tree of Life 2.0 which is by that time human immortality. That is why animals will live forever. Heb2:14; Eze47:9; Rom8:18-22; Isa34:14-17; Ps 133; Ecc3 That fallen sparrow flies again, THAT is why God remembers them all. A real Kingdom does not consider little things worthless.

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[quote=’Difflugia’ pid=’320011′ dateline=’1533826920′]
[quote=’Caesar Saladin’ pid=’320007′ dateline=’1533826066′]
Q: Are we living in the last days?

A: No, we’re not.
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Well, Paul thought he was (1 Thess. 4:17). The author of 2 Thessalonians disagreed with him, though (2 Thess. 2:3-4).

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1 Thess 4:17 is the prelude to the global signal of 8th King world government issued global proclamation of “world peace” and security of 1 Thess5:1-3 after this next world war “sword stroke” coming up as Revelation 13:3 process, so he knew it would be far off in time, our approximate time now as the nation-state system falls financially as in Daniel 11:42-43 for King North final globalization completion for said world government. 1 Thessalonians 2:1-2 was a reminder a final apostasy now present in Jehovah’s witnesses defunt UN allied ministry would make a premature Christ arrival claim that even if from former (Dan11:32a; Dan8:12) anointed Christian now-apostate leaders, it would be false as JWs now cary this said fake-doomsday report.

As future proof, as JW minsitry is prematurely cancelled for many crimes from their own mouth the Daniel unique “time of the end” of these “last days” will begin as 1 Peter 4:17 principle as Daniel 8:13-14. There is no “end of the world” spoken of in the Bible just the final world government indication of the future which will indicate Christ King of kings completion “arrival” to transition Earth into his rule thereby defeating the human sovereign rival element, saving many as Revelation 14:6-8, and abyssing the current aneglic superhuman ruler aka Satan the Devil. (rev19:11-20:1-3) It is the new beginning long foretold, all the sovereign rivals have to do is complete that world government 8th King thing for “one hour” symbolic of Revelation 17:12 which will “ascend from the abyss” (Rev11:7; 17:8-12) of the next major global crisis cycle recovering aka the “tribulation of those days” which “darkens”, that is replaces the nation-state “old world order” as it emerges in the future in that Matthew 24:29-31 parallel prophecy.

JW Ministry is dissolved first (soon, it takes a little while), but just temporarily— it also emerges as Revelation 9— for the final salvation appeal in the future as Daniel 8:14 timing runs over these anti=JW global events of the temple judgment preparatory phase coming up with that final global “sword stroke” crisis which “heals” into said 8th King world government, the final straw. (Rev13:3; Rev17:8-18; Dan11:42-45>12….)

There is no such thing as “doomsday”, it is a term coined by the Pentagon post-Kennedy Continuation of Government COG development, the so-called “Doomsday Plan” as they are who will engineer this coming FAKE “end of the world”, a HOAX “Armageddon”, to mislead many Christians and discredit the prophecy while it is actually fulfilling on a slightly longer range, but indication filled, course of time. (Rev11:2-3; Rev12:14; Rev13:5; Dan7:25-26; Dan12:17, the final 1260 days will be marked to help people seeing all this now, and then)

The final world government development that will trigger Christ AFTER it completes will get very clear after this next mega global crisis passes. There is nothing to actually fear, it is the natural course for planet Earth.

 

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[quote=’MrEsquilin’ pid=’320826′ dateline=’1534257745′]
Good afternoon. My name is Erick. I’m not a Jehovah Witness(J.W.) I wanted to know what your thoughts are on Psalms 2 about the state of the Son. The Father states he was born on that very day. To get clarification, was Jesus, Michael at this time? If not then what does the Watch Tower teach on this chapter regarding the star of Jesus? Thank you.
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JWs teach a derailed version of Psalm 2 now since the “nations unite as one” or “gather” (Rev16:13-16 globalization “demon utterance” globalist teaching) could be applied to world government (of the post next world war future; Rev13:3; Rev11:7; Rev17:8-12) which would trigger Christ arrival AFTER World Government completion as the 8th King of Rev17, no-brainer finalization of their and the prophecy as all sovereign prophecy must, of course, terminate at the same time, meaning and world government-to-Christ-arrival event. The Son to JWs is immortal at that adoption in spirit first made official at Christ resurrection as immortal, since angels can be destroyed Christ is the Mighty God of Isaiah 9 due to indestructible life of Hebrew 7.

The star was leading Jesus enemies to Jerusalem to try to inform Herod of his location to destroy him. Another no-brainer explained by examining the gospels. JWs teach that, others know this too.

Good news is in Psalm 2, even them “kings” are given warning to surrender while it can be beneficial to their existence.

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[quote=’monios’ pid=’321022′ dateline=’1534379214′]

It is clear that TempleJudgment is very upset. What it is that is bothering him is difficult to divine.
[quote=’TempleJudgment’ pid=’321019′ dateline=’1534374827′]
Like ALL other religions the Jewish religious leaders NEVER did follow their own laws. So, for all that reasoning from the law the law of the jungle is what the Jews went with, which renders all that reasoning moot, since it was not even believed by its ancient or modern proponents yes?
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TempleJudgment insists that religious laws were never followed by anyone, anywhere. This is probably not true, but even if it was true it is difficult to see how this has any bearing on the teachings of Jewish tradition and the values that underlie these teachings.
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I never said that about people, or religious leaders, but that the whole of these religions have failed in one accord which reality is smokescreened by myths and vain philosophies. As far as the Jewish Limbo of an aborted evolution in spirituality, I can find no better example of truncation of a hopeful system now suspended in an everylasting “now” due to this suspension. But each religion can be boiled down to an anecdote wherein they all fall well short of their claims and many are just outright aids of state goals of control and/or empire.

I am relieved, I do not promote human myths of elitism or superiority complexes of religions, or races o nations or whatever— it is all an exercise in dying human vanity. The rest is your assumption. In this reality, when one is aware of the true human state many things humans do to appease the inner guilt, or achieve more riches, power or fame, or commit crimes (or whatever puzzles people) becomes understandable from that perspective; denial is the default setting for some humans because on a societal level it is the default setting because media is owned by the state elites and they must continue the charade of their grandiosity. Popping that thin bubble becomes a catharsis even if the ugly truth is what one is soaked in, it is better than the social myths and lies which keep people suspended in that myth their whole lives. For this reason I do not generalize or equate the individuals and their search in religions to the corporatocracy of the religious complex itself, a debased corpse of profiteering off the searchers whose leaders really oughta know better at best.

(I wholeheartedly agree with Isaiah and his Chapter 10 of the Book of Isaiah, read it and you will understand why the prophets were ALWAYS ostracized by the religious leaders of Judea, and that is just one thing they were up to Nehemiah 5 is another thing they loved. I am in agreement with Jewish prophets, not the Jewish religious cults including the one at the temple at certain key judgments, like 720 BC, 587 BC and 70 AD– I just believe many are better off finding it personally without any religious interference or brainwashing, all the needed textbooks are there, who needs a guy who lives of the flock teaching them, it can only get so far really, yes?)

It all points to an eventual interface with a realm of beings who are not [full of it], who are billions of years old (at the youngest) and are not human nor in fear of so-called human power. Man will get nowhere until that interface is complete (and it is no overnight affair, btw), but the human engineers of myth must first complete a global governance, that is the one thing that will not be permitted to rule more than a few years. (Rev17:12) By the time it is born from this next world war many in the world will come to understand the nature of the sovereign interface alluded to earlier, and many will have no religious affiliations not to say numb to spiritual capacity, but that it really is a no brainer especially when you see the true state of the current global leadership who, conveniently, have engineered the myths which help conceal their true condition.

I am a realist really, that is all.
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[quote=’monios’ pid=’321061′ dateline=’1534448821′]
[quote=’TempleJudgment’ pid=’321023′ dateline=’1534385025′]
I never said that about people, or religious leaders, but that the whole of these religions have failed in one accord which reality is smokescreened by myths and vain philosophies. As far as the Jewish Limbo of an aborted evolution in spirituality, I can find no better example of truncation of a hopeful system now suspended in an everylasting “now” due to this suspension. But each religion can be boiled down to an anecdote wherein they all fall well short of their claims and many are just outright aids of state goals of control and/or empire.

I am relieved, I do not promote human myths of elitism or superiority complexes of religions, or races o nations or whatever— it is all an exercise in dying human vanity. The rest is your assumption. In this reality, when one is aware of the true human state many things humans do to appease the inner guilt, or achieve more riches, power or fame, or commit crimes (or whatever puzzles people) becomes understandable from that perspective; denial is the default setting for some humans because on a societal level it is the default setting because media is owned by the state elites and they must continue the charade of their grandiosity. Popping that thin bubble becomes a catharsis even if the ugly truth is what one is soaked in, it is better than the social myths and lies which keep people suspended in that myth their whole lives. For this reason I do not generalize or equate the individuals and their search in religions to the corporatocracy of the religious complex itself, a debased corpse of profiteering off the searchers whose leaders really oughta know better at best.

(I wholeheartedly agree with Isaiah and his Chapter 10 of the Book of Isaiah, read it and you will understand why the prophets were ALWAYS ostracized by the religious leaders of Judea, and that is just one thing they were up to Nehemiah 5 is another thing they loved. I am in agreement with Jewish prophets, not the Jewish religious cults including the one at the temple at certain key judgments, like 720 BC, 587 BC and 70 AD– I just believe many are better off finding it personally without any religious interference or brainwashing, all the needed textbooks are there, who needs a guy who lives of the flock teaching them, it can only get so far really, yes?)

It all points to an eventual interface with a realm of beings who are not [full of it], who are billions of years old (at the youngest) and are not human nor in fear of so-called human power. Man will get nowhere until that interface is complete (and it is no overnight affair, btw), but the human engineers of myth must first complete a global governance, that is the one thing that will not be permitted to rule more than a few years. (Rev17:12) By the time it is born from this next world war many in the world will come to understand the nature of the sovereign interface alluded to earlier, and many will have no religious affiliations not to say numb to spiritual capacity, but that it really is a no brainer especially when you see the true state of the current global leadership who, conveniently, have engineered the myths which help conceal their true condition.

I am a realist really, that is all.

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If I am reading TempleJudgment correctly, he is saying that humans are not special. TempleJudgment did not elaborate on how his view ought to be applied in everyday life. Perhaps TempleJudgment can clarify his values somewhat-
1. Does TempleJudgment believe that killing a human is the same as killing an animal?
2. Does TempleJudgment believe that forcing a human to work is the same as forcing an animal to work?
3. Does TempleJudgment believe that locking up a human is the same as locking up an animal?
4. Does TempleJudgment consider all life-forms (humans, animals, plants and microorganisms) to be equally valuable?
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4. Yes as far as sanctity of life. As a sacrifice animals could only cover one year. Because they did this they are restored in time, there was a lesson there for humans.

Humans are based on the divine life form with the capacity to achieve immortality too in Revelation 22 timing of the deep future reign of Christ.

Biological organisms have varied capacity of natural energy, some humans too, just love to exert themselves. If this is done with harmful intent for profit that human will be called to account it matters not what I judge, but what God judges in time. In time man will not be able to rape the biological and natural systems for profit as it is now the very basis of commerce which includes exploitation of humans too. This type of economic engine and system will end in time, it is unsustainable at the current population projections of humans which requires a depopulation in the future to continue or it will enter a long dark age of slow death globally.

Even a world war that reduces population by a billion will not solve the problem, but there is a couple options for the “powers that be” on this front and a world war would kickstart the project. But as in Matthew 24:21-22, it is ceased before it reaches total fruition.

In principle what you first summarized has merit, I just do not like religions trying to take the credit for what they failed at, and which principles God outlined anyways not humans in this long learning process for the future.

 

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Yes we all know this statistically. But in the last 20 years JW notoriety has mushroomed in dimension and this is an anomaly not present in any other religion except Islam and due to the same kind of hypocrisy, albeit the nature of the crimes is different. So, there are MORE xJWs now and people interested in this JW Devolution than there are JWs, more than even attend their “Memorial”, and to us it is a very interesting case study in what seems to be more than just religious spiritual corruption imo. It is like AIDS, true not everyone has it but its massive growth rate for a while did become very thought compelling as does this case of JW spiritual sickness.

SDA, Baha’i, etc are examples of innocuous groups overall, JWs are not harmless and they blow a big loud holier than thou TRUMPET as well right at your door, and that is the difference; those other groups are like underground clubs of fossils in comparison. Of course no one cares what they are up to, it is boring. In the context of JW size this explosion in notorious and criminal blowback is actually mind-blowing, but due to its small size it is, yes, pretty much unknown to the average person. But, this JW Timebomb is not going to recede as well, it is going to get worse and worse until it implodes GLOBALLY into an untimely religious disaster of a self inflicted corporate injury and a spiritual downfall—- guaranteed, you will see some of this process on CNN, no joke, it will be that bad and truly newsworthy because “the end” JWs will banter as they implode (as if prophecy) will add that needed interest as that “the end” fails even if a world war runs its planned course, the JW doomsday will not manifest as they will try to tell everyone it is. THAT kind of pie in the face laughing-stock blunder will be newsworthy especially when JWs are flat on their face in error, failure and disgrace.

This JW Debacle is actually more serious than many think, but as you state its miniscule overall scale makes it pretty hard to miss for a while. But, in time, that will change 100 fold, but even that is still not that enormous, but it will be big enough to help center stage and send the message that must follow. Stay tuned, this is going to get even more interesting. Basically, JWs are creating their own “end of the world” but strangely it is due to real criminal activity not a prophecy save a “self fulfilling prophecy”, it is the virtual end of the WTBTS, not the world. That principle now in action in JWs is what some people are missing and some may buy, for a while, the JW “the sky is falling” but in reality it is obligatory for this kind of development except we have never in history actually seen a development like this reach its full cycle aided by a legal end of the WTBTS to play the part of “the world’s end” from a self-invented JW new-reality based on criminal activities not any “doomsday” prophecy, because for one there is no such thing. So, watch the show but remember not everyone will be sharing your awareness for a while.

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[quote=’RabbiO’ pid=’321082′ dateline=’1534465204′]
[quote=’TempleJudgment’ pid=’321075′ dateline=’1534461427′]
4. Yes as far as sanctity of life. As a sacrifice animals could only cover one year. Because they did this they are restored in time, there was a lesson there for humans.

Humans are based on the divine life form with the capacity to achieve immortality too in Revelation 22 timing of the deep future reign of Christ.

Biological organisms have varied capacity of natural energy, some humans too, just love to exert themselves. If this is done with harmful intent for profit that human will be called to account it matters not what I judge, but what God judges in time. In time man will not be able to rape the biological and natural systems for profit as it is now the very basis of commerce which includes exploitation of humans too. This type of economic engine and system will end in time, it is unsustainable at the current population projections of humans which requires a depopulation in the future to continue or it will enter a long dark age of slow death globally.

Even a world war that reduces population by a billion will not solve the problem, but there is a couple options for the “powers that be” on this front and a world war would kickstart the project. But as in Matthew 24:21-22, it is ceased before it reaches total fruition.

In principle what you first summarized has merit, I just do not like religions trying to take the credit for what they failed at, and which principles God outlined anyways not humans in this long learning process for the future.
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As a fairly new kid on the block perhaps I am misunderstanding, but at the top of this group of sub-forums it says that debate against a religion in its sub-forum is not permitted.

How are your posts in violation of that directive?
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I think because the “argument”—better yet, rationale—is in agreement with the Hebrew prophets but the corporate leadership’s stand (what would be the priests I guess) is rather vague over the centuries so few know what is in agreement and what is not as far as Jewish religions and hybrids. Like comparing Microsoft and Sun Microsystems, one has an identity planned into its development (like some religions), the other is clueless as to why to do this (like Judaism).

It doesn’t seem to be planned it seems to be part of the religious DNA of Judaism, it is a mystery to many which was aided by the outdated “law” which Christianity pretty much leveled in its own development. In the end, its relevance sort of faded, which I guess the prophets “foretold”— it seems to make an ironic sense in it all because of the behavior of the corporate planners, it seems. It is just a cow to milk apparently, not a Champion Cow for some 4H show; this happens to many religious systems if not all of them which was part of my argument—- or exposition really—- not against Judaism in particular but impartially against all corporate religions which take in much more than they put in, and I think that helped impel the whole karma of their notable and historic devolution into dated mantle pieces as far as human enlightenment is concerned— they are that dusty old fossil, not the fireplace more and more everyday barring some global disaster at which time people flock in, then dissipate back out because it was not that mythical “end of the world” after all. So, human nature nurtured these “holy man” actors as if some required intermediaries to God, but it was just a role to play on the world stage, just part of the overall play really.

But, if one is getting paid to maintain this sunk ship called “religion”, a sort of aptly manifested relic ironically, it will produce more of what produced such profitable results, not in spiritual treasures but in mundane worldy riches– under that obligatory “holy men” veneer. So, barring a unified-global world government backed dissolution of this type of corporate complex, religious that is, it seems the stink bait of religion will still attract the fish for the foreseeable future barring of course a global international law to dissolve all global religious corporations, which, btw, is a possibility but it would be no overnight affair and it would be actually navigable by the “powers that be’ but some turbulence would ensue— but the decline in religious interest by then would mean it would be a minority of protesters, and it was sort of logical religions would eventually reap what they really have sown seeing as they used God as the shill to run this very-successful-monetarily confidence operation. We shall see. So, this is not arguing against any religion this is an examination of their true spiritual state a reality not really an “argument” because it is all history and statistics.

And, very importantly, this is NOT judging individual “religious leaders” because like cells in an organism here being the “corporation” that “corporation”, the religious complex of this development is no longer under human control so no individual can really be “held guilty”, the corporation –as in many of them not just religious– take on a life, will and spirit of their own and at a certain scale of power they cannot be controlled by individuals once they have taken on that life of their own. So, these are human made but nonhuman entities, corporations, not humans, that I explain are also in a trajectory based on their own overall works, and imo, it has not been good and further than opinion it is historic and statistical just what they have been up to especially if you have access to their net worth, that follow the money thing paints the whole sad picture really. What they are good at is selling a compelling narrative to the average human, their bread-n-butter source, of what is really self-appointed spiritual authority, nothing divine about any part of this or, you know, their fruitage would be good works, not questionable ones at best. In their massive net worth we now know it was all about money, money that could have been spent “saving souls” but it was invested in banks, real estate, stocks and derivatives and a certain amount squandered on the luxuries of its main true enterprise. But I am talking the corporate culture, not specific individuals or classes in this monstrous development, yet, it is what it is now it has been exposed in time— but by data intel and history, not some bleeding heart or vigilante crusade, just the facts of the case seen a few millennia retrospectively.

Just as someone like retired detective Joe Kenda said, “those telling the truth get cleaner” in interrogation cycles, those not get dirtier as the compounding questions start to get cross referenced with verifiable realities that do not plumb with the main lies of the cover story, [i]in this case[/i] CSI Religion in its terminal phase. Religions have no alibi, it has been there the whole time and now the proverbial saying is “her sins have piled up clear to heaven” now. It is unfortunate, but it is what it is.

And also important, I am not saying the origin of religions was all bunk, I am talking the state of religion today, not the inception which definitely had some notably righteous characters as well as some villians under the self same roof. And today I am not examining individuals for what can a mere man know really? I am talking the corporate direction is downward and global national system financial dysfunctions will only make religious treasure troves that more desirable to raid in time, because they already know all this stuff about modern religion as a corporate complex, an escort girl stashing her riches as if no one can get to them, but the “kings of the earth” can get at religious coffers in time and conveniently religions have hidden and protected their wealth it would now seem, for just such a helpful raid after say a new world war cycle, at the aftermath of it.

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The “good News of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth, for a witness to all the nations”, before the end; whether or not any individual in particular does or does not participate. Since you don’t know what the “good News of the kingdom is, apparently, maybe you should leave off your self-assuming, haughty ‘work’ preaching/gnashing at us day and night.[/QUOTE]

The problem is JWs will not complete the sacred secret of the good news of the Kingdom, they will not proclaim the Messianic Kingdom completion (but only born in 1914) and that 8th King WORLD GOVERNMENT will complete before Christ arrives to complete not only the prophecy and the promise of Rev10:5-7 but to complete a story JWs have stalled on due to internal distractions and many new crimes. THAT is why God lets his witnesses flounder in an incompletion for a while longer and the JW end of the world coming up, will fail, it will go on longer than JWs expecy because they disregarded the warnings of 2Thess2:1-2, etc. (Dan11:32) So, JWs are only half done, Rev 11’s 1260 days must occur again (Rev10:11) as TWO witnesses witnessing for a complete “seven times” as now 2520 days to complete in the future after Daniel 8:14 runs it temple judgment course.

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[QUOTE=SeventhDay;n5448703]

Please explain a bit more simply so I can understand.

Thank you.

God bless you,

SeventhDay[/QUOTE]

Well there is a Father who bore a Son in real-time. Very simple. The distraction of metaphysical concepts from Greek Platonists merely stalls people right here and some of them for good. Instead of grasping the simple truths of Jesus Christ as Paul said they gather teachers to tickle their ears with grandiose philosophies which merely distract from the evils in this corporate complex as people eat the bait rather than understand it is all a distraction from the simplest truth imaginable. So, not that they are doomed, but that they are stalled when they could reach out for more Kingdom responsibilities bestowed by God, they are heading for the line that has to be babysat in the resurrection. Just depends on what you really want from this deal with God through Christ, vainglory now, or the real thing later. God is not one to be fooled by metaphysical pretenses of mock piety while the place went comatose in inaction and the error of omission for the more comfortable life courting the current powers that think they be. Go for the simple route, as Jesus said keep a simple eye and especially in the household of the faith, the DoD degrees will mean nothing come judgment day— nor will their overly-complex metaphysical “truths”. Satan does not joke around either, he is right in there teaching that whole corporate religious crew.

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Yes, this is the “Pastor from the Neck Up” Syndrome, but for some reason the Elder from the Neck Up strain is more virulent. My mom was a Jehovah’s witness religious tribal-label in the past and she used to tell me this “Elder from the Neck Up” thing in 1990, and the guy who studied the Bible with me used to laugh and agree, they were both pretty realistic about humans. Problem with JWs is the illegality spreads beyond the JW “clergy class” right down into the seats, so the potential blowback is also enormous beyond belief. The other side of the coin is the GB is a Supreme Court cabal which dictates things in state jurisdiction but they can disguise it as “doing God’s will” and the prosecution is actually persecution which is like Jewish religious leaders sending out people to spit from the walls of Jerusalem down on the Roman soldiers. But the GB is the one spitting in the Face of Caesar, so it could get very very ugly as they pull these rabid JW badgers from the dirty hole they are hiding in at present. Very intriguing criminal activity and supposed solution to the problem is to refute evidence and be as stubborn about it and high holy falutin as possible which is just going to piss off Caesar all the more. This is a mega-timebomb just ticking away, it will not be pretty and it will not just remain static, it will get worse as time rolls along. These are just the first real seriously legal stabs at this GB Badger beast, soon come the bayonets and grenades. The strange irony is as “good news” to JWs is they can sell WTBTS self-immolation as “the end of the world everyone! we have to cancel the ministry anyways now from our own GB Pied Piper mouth!”. But that will work only as long as it takes JWs to figure out the end is not coming on their hourglass schedule they need to flip the glass again, so that can be a few years until JWs have to face the truth of this tragic situation in board of director led corporate and seeming religious ruin.

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[QUOTE=TibiasDad;n5453594]

If he was with God in the beginning, and all things were made by means of him, then he is necessarily eternal/untreated, which means he is God for only God is uncreated.

Doug[/QUOTE]

Not necessarily. The term “beginning” is a clue in this record— why talk about “the beginning” if there was no beginning?… See, God has no “beginning”, so this is about someTHING else. But everything else does have a beginning and that is why Jesus is also placed “in the beginning” because he is God’s main power tool for said “beginning”, he IS that “beginning” because from his creation forward is the creative works of God through Christ as God Almighty is the CREATOR. Since Jesus is a god too, the modifier “ALMIGHTY’ is used for Yahweh so people can know which God we are talking about. Christ is now termed the Mighty God, because now he is immortal after his resurrection to the Sonship of Immortality. But he can never be ALMIGHTY GOD YAHWEH, but the next best THING, a created being, the Immortal Mighty God who will also “fixer upper” planet Earth and ALL its beings and life as the new beginning as well. It is what all this is all about, Christ ruling the universe and Earth for good.

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[QUOTE who=”pcloadletter”]<quoted text>
They say it is the U.N., carrying out ‘God’s one thought, to hate the harlot.. and destroy her.”
Reminiscent of the way Jezebel’s destruction is described.
The U.N. is also the image to the beast [?] constructed by the 7th world power that speaks the “3 misleading inspired utterances”, which -I think- are supposed to be the means used in its “attempt to change times and seasons”.
I think I can see how that would apply.

-But not how having a library card is “worshipping the beast”.
Paying Caesars things to Caesar includes giving credit WHERE CREDIT IS DUE.
But, I don’t see any reason to ‘credit’ any of these human entities with the ability to plan and carry out anything that thwarts God’s purposes.
That would be saying “Who is like the beast?” instead of “Who is like God?”, I think.
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That will all occur, the timing of the sequence MUST be after 8th King completion as world government, that is the issue. Yes the UN is just the “image’, the nucleus of the 8th King but not the whole thing, so more must come. The harlot must be a whole woman in completion upon a complete and whole scarlet wildbeast which at this time is not complete as world government.

For this reason BTG remains through this next and final “sword stroke” which recovers into world government which will destroy the harlot, BUT it MUST BE AFTER BTG does her job and endorse world government as if God’s Kingdom, NWO panacea, etc. THEN is when the harlot is destroyed and likewise that 500 trilllion in BTG assets can then help boost the “sword stroke is healed”, BTG assets help the global recovery into world government.

Then BTG’s demise also gives the appearance that “world peace and security” is actually possible, and that world peace is the main mantra of world government to help sell their “new world order’ false prophecy, one on those 3 inspired utterance the other two being globalization which aided it and the dream of “The Singularity” as mankind is being misled that technology and AI is going to bring many grandiose benefits— but it beings Matthew 24:21-22, the final phase of the GT is under world government, the depopulation attempts.

The period after this next sword stroke is more dangerous, in time, than the period of the “tribulation of those days’ which preceded it and led into world government. And the final reason BTG will not go down next is they do not have a multi-front global takeover, they take over the nation-state King South 7th King system first as Daniel 11:42-43, then after they fall BTG will be easy to mislead into endorsing them as a Godsend, then BTG is deposed under a complete world government for that final 1Thess5;1-3 world peace signal to all the nations then globalized “gathered to Armageddon” as globalization completes into said world government.

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Just a heads up that the main global mantra of the 8th King when in complete WORLD GOVERNMENT is their obligatory “world peace everyone!”. Here is also why the BTG harlot cannot be destroted next as JWs have been misled to believe, but also after they have endorsed the 666 Wildbeast WORLD GOVERNMENT as if God’s Kingdom— then BTG is deposed globally.

That will all occur, the timing of the sequence MUST be after 8th King completion as world government, that is the issue which JWs and many others are now being misled concerning. Yes the UN is just the “image’, the nucleus of the 8th King but not the whole thing, so more must come. The harlot must be a whole woman in completion upon a complete and whole scarlet wildbeast which at this time is not complete as world government.

For this reason BTG remains through this next and final “sword stroke” (Rev13:3) which recovers into world government which will destroy the harlot, BUT it MUST BE AFTER BTG does her job and endorse world government as if God’s Kingdom, NWO panacea, etc. THEN is when the harlot is destroyed and likewise that 500 trilllion in BTG assets can then help boost the “sword stroke is healed”, BTG assets help the global recovery into world government.

Then BTG’s demise also gives the appearance that “world peace and security” is actually possible (1Thess5:1-3; Dan8:25), and that WORLD PEACE is the main mantra of 8th King complete WORLD GOVERNMENT to help sell their “new world order’ false prophecy, one on those 3 inspired utterance example triads (for there are really many, 3 being emphatic not literal) the other two being globalization which aided it and the dream of “The Singularity” as mankind is being misled that technology and AI is going to bring many grandiose benefits— but it beings Matthew 24:21-22, the final phase of the GT is under world government, the depopulation attempts.

The period after this next sword stroke is more dangerous, in time, than the period of the “tribulation of those days’ which preceded it and led into world government. And the final reason BTG will not go down next is they do not have a multi-front global takeover, they take over the nation-state King South 7th King system first as Daniel 11:42-43, then after they fall BTG will be easy to mislead into endorsing them as a Godsend, then BTG is deposed under a complete world government for that final 1Thess5;1-3 world peace signal to all the nations then globalized “gathered to Armageddon” as globalization completes into said world government.

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[QUOTE=Nathan p;n5457475] They have been told repeatedly that the Word who became Jesus was placed and was only in the beginning. Only the Father is everlasting to everlasting which means without beginning or end and the Son is everlasting which means at a certain point in time that entity became everlasting.

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I realize Christ is everlasting in the sense of forward “time” beyond material meaning as well. Super Time. But he is a son, and no son is older than his father and I know his father is Yahweh with a distinct name and being for a simple reason. Rather than adopt a trinitarian “beginning” which can be traced directly to the Greek Platonists and before them to Nimrod and Babel, I go to the simple eternal source of the Father and Son logic. Yahweh is the Father who created the Son. Very simple and far more everlasting than any human corporate metaphysic which just derailed people, sometimes for their whole lives, cutting them off from the simple basics they need to really advance in the salvation. I am not saying they are doomed, I am saying they are way behind the progress that comes with simplicity when meditating on God and Christ and that first everlasting relationship and what it really teaches when devoid of strange Greek concepts about God, which they were miles wide of explaining, obviously. Instead they provided a route into more darkness and stall. No thanks, I know where their beginning originated from, from human guesswork.

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[QUOTE=Nathan p;n5457973] Exactly no son is older than his father and that is what they do not get that at heb. 1:5 when the Father says today I have become your Father that means at a certain point in time of about 2,000 years ago when the Son went back to heaven after being Jesus on earth for 30 some years only then was there a Son of God.

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Well since the lunch date at the famed Tree of Truth in Genesis 3 people have allowance now to have freedom of choice on about everything now. When religions fail in the end it will mean the basic assessment of God is what has to be used regardless of spiritual context which is actually good news. Revelation 14:6-7 “everlasting good news”. At least it has people thinking about who is coming to take over Earth and the “heavens” of the universe from the rivals. Religions have become the greatest distraction away from God that there is, which is good news to find out they never were a real intermediary as only Christ is, but they self-appointed themselves in that position and it has been wildly profitable for the corporation. The fear and division they have sown is unnecessary, God and Christ are good friends based on love, the world government they will be deposing is a self-appointed delusion and that is who is to be neutralized for the benefit of all life on earth back to the origin. Divide and conquer it is and unfortunately religions are an effective wedge and causing division and everything empowering it. But, because of the active fruit of “good and bad” it is part of the post-fruit process on the planet, it was meant to be a sort of grand folly except for one fact: Jesus the Christ of God Almighty. It takes time to unravel this riddle of rebellion.

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Well restitution figures for Australia could be in the billion mark, depending on the individual case fin digs which you could calculate from the commission projections. You might ask how would Wt AU pay such a bill, at a billion– though it could be less— that is 4 years operating expenses for the whole org. But it is just a primer for the US RICO investigations and the like in England where pedophiles will eventually become the very least of WTBTS worries in time. The WTBTS is sitting on 30 billion minimum and claiming to be a non-profit charity and the powers that be (as broke as the nation-states are) are smelling the rat now. So, the bottom line is while preaching the certain end and help save people, they have been stashing billions in assets rather than actually put it to the use. It is a new “harlot” is all, but it is of the appropriate scale to “go down” first, as you will see in time. “The end” is just a “self fulfilling prophecy” to paralyze JWs so they think prosecution for true criminal enterprises is somehow doing God’s will and “persecution” as per 1Peter4:14-18— particularly verse 15.

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People may not believe it but this is like Luther and the Reformation whereas as it is the Governing Body witch is the 8 headed “Pope” or whatever if my math is wrong and the church door is the internet on which Luther’s Silva Hamma came down on the GB Hydra head[s]. LOL Jehovah’s witnesses have gone blind and are now NeoCatholix, iNuthaWords. Very strange days have tracked us down, makes me want to spin Soul Kitchen by the Doors for some reason. Give it a spin 2, 4 vinyl contains more audio data in reality, but I don’t have a TT but some bros up the street do but I gotta go to a record goodwill and find that album. So. I shall just put on some School of Fish 3 Strange Days which is now oldies and see what I can see in the sound. If I can find a “Car Group” I may see if these witnesses shale give me a ride, I know the Mormons would, but it would be on the handle-bars as we ride to the Bashful Bandit on Speedway Tucson Zona. And it is sad news to the Mormons that JWs have more net worth at the top of said edifice of corpse, corpratized “relic-ion” or as they say “religion”. This is actually mind blowing info. NeoLuther keep punding the hamR.

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Yes, freefall but with THE WINGS of reality. This comment is not weird it makes me feel great that without real words someone else KNOWS what I am TRYING to say. And why would I try to cut U short,, or give you a shortcut? WE are in an adventure of the life time which potentially has NO limit, which you reaffirm when sum1 just SEES what we all see without words– as we have all had OUR doubts, but for sum reason we keep pushing on through various storms that try to make US give up—doubt, dowt. But you SEE it, and actually I may have written your comment in my own head, so I guess if it is weird we have to be so-called “crazy”, “weird”, “different” to actually clean the window and ALSO in a very down2earth way help others who also SEE without words. It just is what it is, but it takes time, but I ain’t heard of any shortage of time so far. When our method is love and open mindedness it is amazing how much people already agree on and to me “God” and science are the same thing in intent and origin, but science is a quest to know, and God has to be who instituted the desire for when we do find what we seek, the BATTLE just makes all the more worth-it, and all the more real that anything worth a sheet, requires some determination, patience and FIGHT, but in a good way— no one has to be killed in the QUEST because we are all SEEKING, in our own goals and vision, the same thing. Keep the quest going in shall not Be in vain. Labels and words at times confuse the true quest, so the place with no nothing, just the feeling, is the reality all this human attempts at order and communication are actually ALMOST concealing but this mutha cannot B hid for too long. LOL, Thanks bro or sis you make me KNOW a few words help me and someone at the same time, as rare as it is. And actually. WE shall meet someday and keep fighting the best fight, to help all life and all beings and it sound cliche UNTIL one actually tries to do it and WE find it is not as easy as it seems, sounds. It REQUIRES effort and determination and love, as cliche as it sounds, is the ultimate power EVEN IF exercised at .00001%. In time, it will be complete.BELIEVE in its purest meaning! YOU are in your adventure, i am in mine, it all leads to the same place beyond belief and as you meet others recall this and WE shall just help all we can just figure it out 4 THEMSELVES, because that is the fun in the quest: DISCOVERY, and move forward and never give up due to dowt. Thanks you for reAFFIRMING this is NOT all for nothing as the supposed default “reality”. Bs. LOL

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Nation-state System “King South”, including the US and Russia, is to fall soon Daniel 11:42-43— but that is not the end, it leads to King North to the rescue as world government. Daniel 11:44-45 (Rev13:3; 17:8-12) JWs are in terminal GB led apostasy as Dan8:11-12, Dan11:32a. They ain’t gots a clue as to prophetic reality they are also fulfilling live and rfeal-time, zzzz, zzz. (Matt25:1-13)

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Follow the money to the 30 BILLION dollar GB pile. ALL JW directives to cut off family, avoid wordly cares which cost money and buying birthday gifts is so more money can be mailed to JezeBethel for more GB suits and Rolexes and they will leave JWs holding the FAKE “end of the world” bag in time as they split with their pals with most of the liquid loot as 4 or 5 billion has already been drained since 2011 in the form of real estate liquidation and cost cutting aided by JW Media billion dollar donation years. (That is one of the reasons they did JW Media, the other is to issue central commands when the “end of the world” turns out to be really just “the end of the WTBTS”, and billions will be gone to other hands, the bankers who plumb the joint for the GB and the 500 upper eschelon bloodsuckers of the so-called Watchtower Society and its handlers in various WT board cabals of the Cave of Robbers, live and real-time form.

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Well, I will have to say it is an active form of Christianity compared to most others. But the criminal activity is what is the drawback, that takes a while to unearth. The hypnotic effect of the GB based on there “Fred Franz Clones” total myth is what propels the motivation as they couple themselves with directives plainly spoken by Christ but always applied by the ‘evil slave class” to themselves ALONE as the GB did in 2012. It is a bad mix for an eventual catastrophic situation, very bad indeed. Matthew 24:15— there are now many disgusting things in the JW whitewashed tomb, so take your pick folks and flee like your life depended on it, because it does.

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Since you have time to play the game fade first. See how long you can stretch it out. A da is like lopping the head off the snake, but in this case the snake is in a time aquarium and you will learn more with a fade and you can always lop the head off later anyways. What is the rush, have some fun with it, make a list of reasons first before saying “inactive”, you can play that card in say a year or 3. In the game you can play small cards about news items about the criminal GB cabal and ask everything AS A QUESTION, that way they do not nail you to the apostate millstone—- and you can mine their brains for pivot points to work in the next years. IF you da, write a very long extensive letter detailing the criminal enterprises of this strange cabal called the GB and their thousands of complicit henchmen.

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[QUOTE who=”Newtonian”]<quoted text>

You have a dopple-ganger: tbbq!

Or was I simply seeing double?[/QUOTE]

Yes, TWO witnesses. The first warning of the IBSA brothers and sisters was the warm up dress rehearsal. The future 1260 days will be Jehovah’s witnesses after purification coming up. When Jesus said “Jerusalem” will be trampled by the nations which did apply to the 2520 years, in Revelation 11:2 it is also TWO cycles of 1260 days which also adds up to the 2520, but as days. The same principle applies as “seven times”. Jesus will also complete his own ministry in Daniel 12:11 round 2 as 3.5 more years of then OPEN SALVATION offer after the 1260, as his angels will carry out Rev14:6-7 invite to all the “Israel” “circuit” which humans by no means could complete as in Matt10:23. But Jesus, of course, can complete that ministry portion and salvation is open as in Dan9:27, before conquest on the 8th King.

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[quote=’Caesar Saladin’ pid=’318243′ dateline=’1532706956′]
I’m not as smart as I think I am.

As many of you know, for a long time I’ve been trying to ‘find my place’ in a religious sense and for some time for lack of a better focus I’ve identified simply as a Deist. This isn’t quite adequate, though.

The more I think about it, I’ve begun compiling two lists, one being ‘Things I Believe’ and the other ‘Things I Do Not Believe’ with regard to deity, religion, practices, etc. The more I codify my beliefs the more I find strands of ideas that- far from being original- have already been considered and argued and sometimes blood has been shed over.

I find within my Go/No Go lists are ideas that would be perfectly at home with the Gnostics, others that you’d find in Christianity, others in Islam, some in ancient and medieval Christian thought, Arius, Marcion, Francis of Assisi, the Cathars, the Waldensians, the Dolcinians, the Protestants, and I’m sure I’ll find more parallels as I continue.

I’m making myself crazy trying to sort it all out, and I’m finding that I don’t have nearly as many answers- or even as many clues- as I thought I would by this time in life.

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What may help is understanding “religion” has become a manmade corporate penitentiary for “the sheep” regardless of brand, and even if it had divine origins in the past, human control objectives end up corrupting the best of intentions of men or God once left without restraints. (2Thess2:1-12)

What you seek is spirituality versus “religion”. Faith in God and faith in religion are NOT the same thing whatsoever. (Rev14:12)

Once you know that ‘spirituality” is already in you as the spirit of life, first, the quest is where did that come from and it leads to God Almighty in time. Religions only detour the trajectory of the quest. It is already there it is up to us to believe and pursue. The Bible is not a religious document, it is the writ of supreme sovereignty of who is going to rule this universe once the troublemakers are canned. The Bible is a good place for information (Rev1:1) and it never reads the same no matter how many times you may read a book in it or the whole thing. Daniel 2 is really all you need for the mission (Rev13:3; Rev17:8-18), the words of Christ are the staples. Everything else from the prophets perfectly relates to that certainty of his eventual sovereignty for 1000 years over this planet (1Cor15:24-28) wherein everything else out there will also tie in, like the things in Andromeda for example. All the rivals need to do to trigger him is complete their lame world government after the next world war fake “the end of the world” scare prep phase. (Rev13:3)

It is ALL already there, it just requires time to find the treasure. (Col2:3) Don’t give up.

“in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.”

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The WTBTS development in seeming natural spiritual corruption is not the reality now. That did allow this to go terminal since say 1944, but now it is a planned operation aided from within to cancel the JW ministry from their own GB mouth (and loot the place), with a pretext of that FAKE “end of the world” message to accompany the events, which will ALL fail. But it will take JWs a couple years or 3 to figure out the end is NOT coming (even if a world war develops), and it will also take time to attempt to fully dissolve the WTBTS globally—

so, when it does begin as planned you will have time to verify these statements and even help totally lost JWs when their hopes are dashed to pieces for an early “armageddon” which cannot occur on their truncated over-advanced timeline for many reasons. The goal of the internal subverters is to simply put an end to the JW ministry and liquidate the billions for globalization banking needs, nation-state legal fees, etc. They won’t get it all, but they will get conservative 30 billion in the whole take,

 

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Right now the setup is extensive enough to be speculated on in a couple ways. It is not that it was always a scam but it has become one to discredit the final phase prior to world government of not just JWs but the whole Christian prophecy complex. The danger to them with JWs is they mapped the prophecy further than other groups, and now they had to abort that progress in 1990, when that 3rd UN event was covered up and the globalization phase was then fully ignored.

The end that is coming is for the WTBTS, but having an “end of the world” scare in place, or for JWs “prophecy is fulfilling brothers!” allows the downfall to be unimpeded by any real thinking analysis especially in the other power tiers of the organization, these must be paralyzed with the whole r/f JW crew. But as you said, I think too, they just want to abandon JWs and make the whole thing look like a scam and a major fraud “end of the world” hoax hype discrediting event that will NOT manifest so JWs will be a laughing stock as the whole thing is understood later. There is global-system and Biblical reasons why “the end” cannot be with this world war or global downturn, it is just the precursor tenderizing phase to globalized world government in complete form.

The good news is there is a number of years prior to world government, “the end of the world” is not in the Bible, it is just a transition into the next phase of human history. There is no “doomsday” and “armageddon” has a different meaning anyways, it is a point of globalization completion also not “the end” per se. But, this may sound looney for now, but when you see it play out on JWs as one big hoax as outlined, no doubt some of it making global media with that fake “end of the world” signage in JW hands, then you can know what is really going on (btw, the global context may be distracting, such as a global downturn phase starting). WT is probably stashed about 50 billion in the banking, investment and derivative pipelines OUT of JW hands. On the ground stuff is probably worth over 10 billion, so this score is definitely worth the effort and this is like stealing candy from a baby because JWs are very gullible and unattentive to realities many others see plain as day.

Hi-jacking the prophecy JWs believe and misarranging its sequence became useful to set up this “self fulfilling prophecy” as when “the end” comes (in the JW mind), the WTBTS dissolution won’t be a priority to worry about and that is why and how this setup is so ingenious and by no means developed accidentally as the place seems to be run by random idiots but that effect keeps everyone else also not putting 2 and 2 together as well making this doubly ingenious, they fool everyone inside and out of the WT organization. Expect a set of more deceptions designed to give the GB prophet like status as if foretelling the future, but it is to tighten the screws for game day on the org.

For example the USSR-to-modern-Russia thing inheriting “King North” (a hoax decoy, btw) will be a further deception as JWs are told Daniel 11:44 is activating, but it is not, it is Daniel 11:41-43 that is finalizing over a few years (nation-state system pawned by total globalization financial complex global).

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As you said “we will contact you later” is why JW Media has been set up, as the Org is sacked and normal communications are severed they can issue commands via the Web. But I think it will be worse than them just taking off, I think they plan to herd as many JWs to detention as they can muster with those “obey the org as crazy as it sounds” directives of WT 11/2013 (pg.20, par. 17, #3), “Eight Dukes” article.

WT quote (WT 11/15/2013, pg. 20, par. 17, #3):

“”Elders who are reading this article can draw some useful conclusions from the account we have just considered:…

[And sandwiched into the admonishment:]

(3) At that time, the lifesaving direction that we receive from Jehovah’s organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint. All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not.

Obviously Bethel is planning to use the org, to herd JWs to capture, imo.

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You’re welcome. I don’t know on the “bunker-o-JWs” purpose, I just do not like the sound of that pied-piper statement that they reworded in the later pdf version it was so suspect. I also feel the GB are midnight black evil in reality, they do not sit right with me one iota— actors. Just look what they develop and condone.

JWUpdate is the basic research wordpress blog, but this WTBTS takeover is just part of the overall rationale. At first I did not think anything much of it all until I started to do like the detectives; I started to write it down and timeline it and pretty soon the patterns and quantity of strange things began to add up and work together. That is when I realized it is no accident.

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You’re welcome. It may sound “far-fetched” but I will bet it all it unfolds in a way totally different than anyone expects— especially JWs. But that is what happens when a cabal of humans (GB) begins to be allowed to play God by self-appointment; it just never turns out well. Keep your eyes on the place, it is going to get hit by a storm, but it is no “end” but of the ministry and organization to what degree is yet to be seen.

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Religions are just a label really, after a leader dies the board takes over sometimes before, and it all stalls— no exceptions it seems. The whole faith of Rev14:12 is not able to be made into a “religion” because Rev14:6-7 is an open salvation offer yet to come which will really be global because humans will not be involved at that point, as in Matt10:23 limitations.

Thus, in reality, it is the most positive open message in the world and always has been until religions get a hold of it as they did the main spokesman in the 1st century. It plays out in steps so also anyone can start to put the pieces together well before the transition is complete. All prophecy must terminus at the same point in time and history and that is why the scope also goes global as the scale of development also goes global; that is why the Dan11 King South is the nation-state global system and King North is the the globalization completion, in time. Simple and global at the same time.

Thus Dan11:42-43 is a plain as day [completes in the future] “KS” nation-state financial/wealth pawning by “KN” globalization forces now plainly being explained by non-religious people in most cases. (As you may know JWs are expecting Dan11;44 next, as if the USSR fulfilled Dan11:42-43 which is impossible as a failed nation-state bloc system; Dan11:27b, Dan11:36 requirement of success)

Just be patient it will unfold differently because it is at a time of peace not war (Matt24:6) that it comes to a head and that is a world government main-mantra “world peace” paralleling the “peace and security” of 1Thess5:1-3 and the “time of security” or “freedom from care” of Dan8:25. (also Isa41:1 ‘nations regain power” after final sword-stroke phase) In the time of Christ it was the Pax Romana period, Roman Peace that was the context of Jerusalem’s signal judgment of 66-70, just for example.

Be careful though they may use an initial fake peace and security to also try to fool the whole Christian prophecy complex when Rev13:3 sword stroke coming must instead “heal” into that world government finality and its final world peace signal mantra, in time, also not an overnight affair at that time or to even get to the phase of time. The good news is ANYONE can make the choice positively of Rev14:6-7 come that time, and by that time many steps like JW-judgment WTBTS sacking (and more) will be known by many. In time it will prove itself because the GB tyranny is man of lawlessness type generic and is in detail in Daniel 11:31-35 with that UN NGO marker signal and Daniel 8:12.

FYI as per Matt24:15 the Daniel 8:13 “transgression causing desolation” (to the JW Org soon) is that UN NGO alliance of 1991-2 rather than JWs explaining the real King North globalist meaning of Dan11:27-45 (since it could be explained fully since 1990 3rd UN event). It is way more serious than JWs think, and it seals the “trampling” of Daniel 8:13-14 (timed for future verification) and the “invasion” of Daniel 11:41 of the ministry to cancel it for a while. Thus, the GB is purposely covering up final global development details of KN since that 1990 3rd UN presentation after the UNIQUE Cold War period marked in Daniel 11:29 “different in the last” phase detail. By now almost 30 years into the total override, the GB are probably not even really Christian much less “anointed”. They are the “evil slave” so far be it from them to “lift themselves over everyone” (2Thess2:3-4) saying they alone are the “faithful slave”. That GB=FDS thing like 2Thess2:3-4 is a signal of who they really are.

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The problem is that 20 years WT “time travel” to a past out of place from 586 BCE to 607 BCE is not the only glitch— that JW ’20 Year Glitch Hiccup” extends back in time all the way to the beginning of Biblical events— the whole Bible “Space Time Continuum” is all-caddywhumpus in the JW universe now. Since “SIX-OH-SEVEN” is the CENTER of the JW Clock and Calendar and Universe that 20 years extends back to all Biblical dates PRIOR to 607 BCE to make it all work from that 607 BCE point backward— they went back in time all the way to the creation of Adam on the slippery slope of that former chronology time+event assumption.

Ask you wife: Now how can ALL dates prior to 607 be 20 years off TOO in secular “gentile” history as compared to the JW version of Bible time and chronology?

All those 607 dates and earlier are at variance with Newton’s chronology and Albright, Thiele, Galil, Kitchen. The worst discrepancy with those time mappers is about 10 years if I am not mistaken, and all of them are at variance with the Wizards of Bethel. The fix is Babylonian King Nebby is who marks the ascension period, lasted 70 years from 607 BCE with only then a two year fuzz-factor, Jerusalem went down 586-7 for the temple reconstruction 70 years of 516-517 as those ‘seven times’ are the 70 years with a 20 year offset marking the last 20 years of Jeremiah’s warning. Since it is “GENTILE times” it has to be marked by a “gentile” kingdom and history. The GB keeps the glitch in place so many toss the baby with the bathwater over what is an easy fix— and why they axed Ray Franz and Olof because they would have arrived at this fix by the mid 1980s. The GB is BAD to the core, a sideshow detour flagman group of criminals in all forms of crime spiritual and secular.

You may ask your wife why all them other dates to the creation of Adam, are also off 20 years, which is very suspect the problem is with the WT “time travellers” not with secular history from many more sources than those just noted as Olof Jonsson pointed out too. THAT is the real reason they axed Ray Franz, he was on to the fix eventually so they axed him to keep that increasingly glaring error in place to discredit the prophecy. For example wiki Kings of Judah page show the chronologies noted except Newton’s side by side so you can see what I mean when compared to the JW SpaceTime Warp. I would trust Newton “Revised Chronology” more than the GB who only count bean$$, I heard he was pretty good with numbers. LOL

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Well you should feel sorry for a group who will follow stagnated strangers in a governless body as far as anything Christian in behavior and goals rather than, as the Bible says, look out for your OWN family. So, JWs are apostates without a cause only imagining they are actually “Christ-like” but will without much thought for many, simply go beyond the things written with no regard for the lawless cabal leading them thereby forsaking even “the owner who bought them”. I would much pity a group that acts so cold even “the world” is shocked at this hypocrisy. So I guess look for someone to help or someone with similar situation as there is always more than required and don’t get fooled back into a place ripe for a judgment because if men do not buy JW hubris and self-righteous blindness neither would any God I kn ow of. Enjoy your freedom I guess they are enjoying their slavery to the taskmasters of Zechariah 11 and in the long run it all comes together anyways so no need to over think the mistakes of JWs, but also know they are victims, have mercy on them when their day of need comes, and it will, the GB are crooked as a den of vipers. JWs are obviously acting very anti-Christ like.

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Not only is the calling not complete, much less the total sealing, the ten virgins is a parable that also parallels a future prophecy of Daniel 8:13-14 and the bad news is what anointed there are now will be depleted to a significant degree by rejection in this coming temple judgment because the Devil’s next trick will be very very effective especially on those who nodded off as in Matthew 25:1-13. The event will wake up all the anointed, as a group all are asleep so to speak, but not all will have the oil reserve to light up the meaning of this coming period which will have the final sword-stroke as its very distracting global context of Revelation 13:3 and Daniel 11:41-43.

Satan’s purpose in toppling ‘five fool virgins’ is to keep the calling incomplete as it precedes the test sealing and that then is also incomplete as is the Bride as is then the Messianic Kingdom, God is not calling a Bride with 1.87 eyes. But this will fail of course, it ignites Revelation 11:3 in final form, 2 witnesses times 1260 days is a perfect seven times as 2520 DAYS, when that final Kingdom announcement completes in the future 1260 days. That is the sacred secret of Revelation 11, the 2520 years ‘seven times’ ended in the 1914 year that the first witnessing IBSA 1260 days began, now a final witnessing will complete 1260 days in time, for 2520 days as seven times in parallel with Luke 21:24 final application— and in that final warning is the mission completion for the final 144000 sealing. Anointed today are asleep, but when the cry goes forth all will awake but not all to approval so more anointings will be needed in the future, the fall-out coming has not even hit yet, but it will and it will target the JW ministry as a sign of the temple judgment but all anointed everywhere will be affected.

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As per Matthew 22:1-14 the judgment on the modern “City of Murderers” results in more being called for anointing and everything else in preparation for Revelation 14;6-7 when Christ by and with his angels completes the final 3.5 years of his ministry to make it a full “seven times” as well, as the last half of that Daniel 9:27 “week of salvation” is Daniel 12:11’s 1290 days preceded by the 1260 days. The 1260 days is the second witness of the two witnesses of Revelation 11 which with the 1914-1918 IBSA portion of the first witness also completes “seven times” as the 2520 years ended in 1914, for then in time of the future a full 2520 DAYS of Revelation 11 required announcements and the summary of the sacred secret of Revelation 10:5-7 promise of God for the future.

Many from all over Christianity have to be called because as in Joel “sons and daughters” will prophesy because when the Daniel 8:13-14 judgment completes its events and timing the purification results in an out-pouring of holy spirit for the eventual final 1260 days it is all leading to (Dan8:14 future timing leads to the final 1260 days which with the 1290 of Christ arrival for salvation purposes first, is that final week of open salvation of Daniel 9;17 in its modern meaning.). Religions cannot capture Jesus’ sheep, the faith of Jesus of Revelation 14:12 transcends all human imposed religious labels which God does not recognize for salvation purposes as religious leaders make that claim, it is Christ’s atonement which is the ONLY salvation, not some religious club. But, in the history of Chrostianity the faith, they have been used in steps to get to today’s finale.

Religions are just a label really, after a leader dies the board takes over sometimes before, and it all stalls— no exceptions it seems. The whole faith of Rev14:12 is not able to be made into a “religion” because Rev14:6-7 is an open salvation offer yet to come which will really be global because humans will not be involved at that point, as in Matt10:23 limitations.

Thus, in reality, it is the most positive open message in the world and always has been until religions get a hold of it as they did the main spokesman in the 1st century. It plays out in steps so also anyone can start to put the pieces together well before the transition is complete. All prophecy must terminus at the same point in time and history and that is why the scope also goes global as the scale of development also goes global; that is why the Dan11 King South is the nation-state global system and King North is the the globalization completion, in time. Simple and global at the same time.

Thus Dan11:42-43 is a plain as day [completes in the future] “KS” nation-state financial/wealth pawning by “KN” globalization forces now plainly being explained by non-religious people in most cases. (As you may know JWs are expecting Dan11;44 next, as if the USSR fulfilled Dan11:42-43 which is impossible as a failed nation-state bloc system; Dan11:27b, Dan11:36 requirement of success)

Just be patient it will unfold differently because it is at a time of peace not war (Matt24:6) that it comes to a head and that is a world government main-mantra “world peace” paralleling the “peace and security” of 1Thess5:1-3 and the “time of security” or “freedom from care” of Dan8:25. (also Isa41:1 ‘nations regain power” after final sword-stroke phase) In the time of Christ it was the Pax Romana period, Roman Peace that was the context of Jerusalem’s signal judgment of 66-70, just for example.

Be careful though they may use an initial fake peace and security to also try to fool the whole Christian prophecy complex when Rev13:3 sword stroke coming must instead “heal” into that world government finality and its final world peace signal mantra, in time, also not an overnight affair at that time or to even get to the phase of time. The good news is ANYONE can make the choice positively of Rev14:6-7 come that time, and by that time many steps like JW-judgment WTBTS sacking (and more) will be known by many. In time it will prove itself because the GB tyranny is man of lawlessness type generic and is in detail in Daniel 11:31-35 with that UN NGO marker signal and Daniel 8:12.

FYI as per Matt24:15 the Daniel 8:13 “transgression causing desolation” (to the JW Org soon) is that UN NGO alliance of 1991-2 rather than JWs explaining the real King North globalist meaning of Dan11:27-45 (since it could be explained fully since 1990 3rd UN event). It is way more serious than JWs think, and it seals the “trampling” of Daniel 8:13-14 (timed for future verification) and the “invasion” of Daniel 11:41 of the ministry to cancel it for a while. Thus, the GB is purposely covering up final global development details of KN since that 1990 3rd UN presentation after the UNIQUE Cold War period marked in Daniel 11:29 “different in the last” phase detail. By now almost 30 years into the total override, the GB are probably not even really Christian much less “anointed”. They are the “evil slave” so far be it from them to “lift themselves over everyone” (2Thess2:3-4) saying they alone are the “faithful slave”. That GB=FDS thing like 2Thess2:3-4 is a signal of who they really are.

The calling not complete— worse yet a fall-out in rejection is coming for some in this coming judgment cycle, much less the total sealing, the ten virgins is a parable that parallels the  future Temple Judgment Final prophecy of Daniel 8:13-14 and the bad news is what anointed there are now will be depleted to a significant degree of “five foolish virgins” (half the group of 10) by rejection in this coming temple judgment. This is because the Devil’s next trick will be very very effective and the ten virgins have ALL “nodded off” as in Matthew 25:1-13— so this is why all the confusion and slumber abounds, it is all in the final prophecy cycle coming up to start the seven trumpets as the first 4 of Revelation 8 is this temple judgment purification of that “fire of the altar” of Revelation 8:1-6 which may have some destructions as in Ezekiel 10 but as in Isaiah 6 its ultimate purpose is to awaken all and purifiy the wise virgin group for th final warning which produces, when complete, the final sealing. The event will wake up all the anointed, as a group all are asleep so to speak, but not all will have the “oil in reserve” to light up the meaning of this coming period which will have the final sword-stroke as its very distracting global context of Revelation 13:3 and Daniel 11:41-43.

Satan’s purpose in toppling ‘five fool virgins’ is to keep the calling incomplete as it precedes the test sealing and that then is also incomplete as is the Bride as is then the Messianic Kingdom, God is not calling a Bride with 1.87 eyes. But this will fail of course, it ignites Revelation 11:3 in final form, 2 witnesses times 1260 days is a perfect seven times as 2520 DAYS, when that final Kingdom announcement completes in the future 1260 days. That is the sacred secret of Revelation 11, the 2520 years ‘seven times’ ended in the 1914 year that the first witnessing IBSA 1260 days began, now a final witnessing will complete 1260 days in time, for 2520 days as seven times in parallel with Luke 21:24 final application— and in that final warning is the mission completion for the final 144000 sealing. Anointed today are asleep, but when the cry goes forth all will awake but not all to approval so more anointings will be needed in the future, the fall-out coming has not even hit yet, but it will and it will target the JW ministry as a sign of the temple judgment but all anointed everywhere will be affected.

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Storm clouds brewing to wash away the Global WTBTS Timebomb frags when it blows soon. The writing is on the wall, the jug is empty, and due to the smaller scale of WTBTS it can, unlike the Catholic system for example, be dismantled— it just takes the right global spin to form the context in time. But, imo, the RICO like racketeering and profiteering will be the battering ram that actually shuts the place down at dawn, the pedophile stuff takes forever to get results but stashing 30 BILLION in assets oughta get the Romans at the WTBTS door soon whilst the GB spits down on them with their rank hubris to make it all the more worse as they then sell the prosecutions as if “persecution” on the faithful— but as per 1Peter 4:14-17 it is as evil doers that WTBTS is going down, they are a reproach on anything having to do with God, Christ and decent humanity. An enemy of all, no joke, all cloaked in self-defined holy man smocks with dead children’s bones in their pockets. Criminals in all dimensions.

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This is why the WT Wizards of Warwick have that “self-fulfilling prophecy” of the “end of the world” ironed into the JW Skull in a number of Pied Piper angles of maneuvering the JW Lemming minds. So when the WTBTS starts to reap what it has really been sowing they can sell it to JWs as if “the end of the world brothers” “your deliverance is near” as JWs grab their WTBTS provided “The End IS Here” signs as they have said they will in recent articles like WT 11/15/2013– JWs will deliver a “hard hitting judgment message that the end of satan’s system has arrived”. Then as JW Necks get sore looking to the sky for Christ arrival the WTBTS can be invaded-globally under that paralyzing pretext JWs will be in a frenzy chewing on.

But, sadly, “the end’ is only of the JW ministry and the WTBTS as they are also preparing JWs with the idea ‘we [the GB] have finished the preaching work” fiction as of late. This is all a self fulfilling prophecy program so JWs will believe it is the end, but in the ensuing few years, when that end does not arrive no matter how severe the global context may appear (Matt24:6), they will have to bite the bullet that the knife in their back has the GB dirty hand prints all over it.
Now I do not hate JWs, I see them as victims of fraud actors of mega-greed, so please help out a JW when they have to pull that knife outa their back, it will be a very very painful procedure for them to realize the GB is who has been raping all JWs. With empathy, we can kind of see the JW mindset when that “the end’ came not for the world, but for this GB diseased JW ministry.

So, don’t see poor JWs as the enemy, the already have one in the GB, see them as victims of another religious devolution but this one will be epic because that self fulfilling prophecy has to fail, it is impossible that criminals will have any real insight and these guys fruitage is grapes of viper venom many can see except hoodwinked JWs. I really do feel sorry for them, I know the GB is the wormwood root of the problem, greedy rougues from day 1, 1976, that is when that Frankensteined Cabal of Deceit really formed, no 1st Century anything Christian about them billion dollar clowns. THAT was what it is all about, money, power, fame, the classic “rich man” “evil slave” “lawless one” thugs hidden in plain sight with a problem just too big to see for JWs.

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[QUOTE who=”The Blood of Yeshua”]<quoted text>
You will soon. Everybody will soon.

Amos 9:14-15
14 I will bring back the captives of My people Israel; They shall build the waste cities and inhabit them; 15 I will plant them in their land, And no longer shall they be pulled up From the land I have given them,” Says the LORD your God.

Luke 21:32
32 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all things take place.

Watch out for nukes.

Matthew 24:21
21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.[/QUOTE]

Nukes or not the sword-stroke heals into 8th King World Government in the future which after completion and a ‘three and a half day” final Witnessing death-state (Rev11:7-10) then Christ arrives— not in a world war Matt24:6, but in the world government world peace and security of 1Thess5:1-3 and Daniel 8:25 “time of security”.

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Gun control reality if applied is like a physical diet. You can’t get rid of much all at once and with guns the diet would take years to get what was already absorbed into society and the black market would seize the opportunity. It would take a full scale invasion to control guns the way they think it could be. But maybe they will let Russia and then Global NATO do that dirty work then they all make friends for world government everything control. Who knows really. But it will not hit the fan until they get the legality of gun control down in law so everyone else looks like the bad guys when historically it is governments who are the most dangerous critters when it comes to the monopoly of violence and the role of weapons in it. The gun control measure is just the mathematics of reducing state borne martial casualties when the proverbial stuff hits the fan of the future. Obviously over 20 trillion in US debt will not be resolved without a little turbulence and if 2008 was a lesson few learned many nations if not all will be dragged into the wake of the US and EU eventual rectification of way too much debt 9and lies along with it) and the mountainous avalanche of unfunded liabilities (Dan11:42-43)– its not going to be pretty at first. But, then its ‘world government” to the rescue poised as conquerors atop the proper global crisis preparatory and obligatory precursor setup pile of global wreckage— it was not the end of the world after all everyone! All hail the savior of the human new order of global management at yer service!.

These guys are so predictable now you don’t need to be the Prophet Daniel, or the Detective Sherlock Holmes or the Genius Einstein to see this, any dummy can predict this pattern because they used it in WW1 for the League of Nations hero presentation, then in WW2 for the UN savior presentation then after the Cold War for the presentation of the human panaceaplex in that 1990 3rd UN Victory Party over the USSR deadweight and after this next one (Rev13:3) they will put the cherry on top of their Golden Cowpie of World Government. It is now a no-brainer when optimism does not become blinding or ideas of the impossible do not exclude obvious true possibilities. But prophecy does help, because Daniel 2,7,8,11-12 and Revelation 13, 17 already have this cowpie of human world government on the radar from the days of old King Nebuchadnezzer; Daniel 2,4. It is where it IS going. Daniel 2 is the first wrap up of this little drama of who shall rule this planet for good. It is not the manmade cowpie who will win.

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People vary as far as engaging strangers and what not. I actually liked pioneering and going door to door because I found it a little exciting to wonder what the next door held— though I would not play Russian Roulette with real bullets or even blanks, it was kind of like that for me because the nasties were a possibility, but I actually liked it, it was a little rush for me. I found the poorer territories much more vocal than the others, so I appointed myself “circuit overseer” and with another adventurous brother we just started dropping in on poor halls and staying a week or a month or whatever. New faces, new neighborhoods and no card to log on to— we were just visiting y’all.
Long story short, I left in 2012, the Memorial was my last meeting and it was after 14 months of examining the Governing Body corpse and wondering why they just repeated 1970 material over and over as if nothing new has developed since then, especially with post-USSR globalization geo-politics. Then after going to many xJW sites, that had some symptoms but the virus remained unidentified. So, knowing 90% of prophecy already came true on like Egypt and Babylon and Medo-Persia and the like, I thought maybe I’ll check the Daniel 8 and 11;27-35 prophecy which current attempt at interp did not seem to fit well. And there it was in Daniel 11:31-32a and Daniel 8:11-12.

I determined in my own belief the reason why the GB had nothing new to teach was because the final apostasy development and signal was being fulfilled by them— far be it from the “evil slave class” to tell JWs they are the “man of lawlessness” which formed in that viral body, rather it is obligatory such liars claim to be the one and only faithful slave. After I saw the UN NGO endorsement and its modern near-UN IGO escalation after that little distraction fell off the radar, I knew these guys are not who they claim to be and they fit the subversion prophecy of Daniel 8:12 “throwing truth to the earth” and Daniel 11:32a leading JWs into terminal apostasy, and the modern stumbling storm of Daniel 11;32-35 and the fact when you leave you purify your spirituality as with Matthew 24:15 when applied to that wildbeast side-saddle ride the UN NGO would be in JW own interpretation– if not for the GB Revelation 2:2 liars telling JWs everything is good in this nice dumbed-down format, everything is just fine, expect Christ any second brothers! Yes, as the cave of robbers would expect him.

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People may think JWs have “theology problems” causing all the blowback and because the GB cloaks their leaven in scriptures it could seem true. But in reality, with Ray Franz as the first example and head to roll, what is causing JWs the problems is power control policies designed to keep the GB in power by isolating, silencing, discrediting and condemning anyone who may attempt to expose them GB criminals for the “flock” to see and ponder. This is why the GB surgically remove and dispose of anyone who may threaten their tyranny. In addition, being their own Supreme Court of Jehovah’s Witnesses policies such as their pedophile protection racket are also cloaked in scripture, albeit very weakly, so do not expect Rape Kits available at the “Service Desk” as DNA is a great “second witness” in a real court of law.

The GB has transformed the JW ministry into their own Damage Control Campaign, while it seems to JWs they are preaching the Kingdom of God in reality they are preaching the Kingdom of the Governing Body and twisting scriptures with them to keep them GB-Vipers in power . This cannot end well folks. Reminds me of Revelation 2:2.

“I know all the things you do. I have seen your hard work and your patient endurance. I know you don’t tolerate evil people. You have examined the claims of those who say they are apostles but are not. You have discovered they are liars.”

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By this late date there are probably no anointed in the GB, just the actors— so they can appoint other actors as anointed just like they sell the 6 million JW population and 3% decline as if “8 million of us folks!” as they liquidate like crazy–at the same time–, they simply lie through their teeth with stats or whatever they want as they position the 30 BILLION for the grand exit plan. But, you may be correct, they may want to inflate the GB to 12 as well, it has a nice ring to it to chime along with their God’s chosen LIE. (Rev2:2) It is not like this is the first time this has happened.

And we should expect a big lie soon to inflate that GB-dead body to prophet like super-status before the dissolution— but it takes a few years to fully unravel, so as it unwinds and fails, eventually many will catch on to the grand ruse operating in there, it is no random corruption or accident— this thing is well planned and executed and the score is worth the effort, the JW loot-score could be double that 30 BILLION, that is just a conservative ballpark estimate. All that talk they are “going broke” is far from true, these guys have socked away tens of BILLIONS, they act broke to get more milk from the sheep and to work their crafty sleight of hand JW-mindset-myths as they liquidate like the world is ending and contract expenses to increase the end net. But they do not infuse it into a mega final warning do they? No, because it is only the WTBTS slated for “the end”, the world just keeps plodding on to world government which blind-as-a-bat JWs help conceal by GB deceptions and severely dated “styrofoam fodd at the proper time”; decades of it in fact.

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It is strategic, IF she is hurt an apology will help for she may not see it the way you do. You know the situation best, but if you are that concerned then write a letter fully explaining your concern and love. Just don’t get in a loggerhead of stubborness or pride with a JW, they are first division hard heads on a mission from God. Sometimes you gotta eat a little pride pie to keep things productive with them. You gotta see it or remember what is going on in their head at this time— YOU are the agent of Satan in their head. But in this case the Devil is the GB so you gotta try some angle of disdelusional logic and the truth of the cultosaurus they are now trapped by. But, this dragon is your’s to slay, you know the situation better I am just throwing a penny in. Hope it all works out, friends are not easy to really come by.

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Maybe for the coming Rev13:3 “sword stroke” which they will sell to JWs as “the end” but it is a fake Armageddon scare and a hoax. JWs will brandish their final “the end is here” “warning” of their own termed “hard hitting judgment message” but it shall fail, WTBTS goes down as Daniel 8:13-14 instead. Thus, this last salvo on JWs will be the ultimate laughing stock and discrediting prophecy fail. The timing of Daniel 8:14 leads to the final 1260 days of Revelation 11 whose TWO witnessings with 1914-1918 will complete in that final 1260 days for 2520 DAYS as the final “seven times” meaning. The GB knows the sword stroke timing because they are Daniel 11:32a from the KN globalists, so they will use that deception to make it look like they are the Super Prophet Apostles, but they are man of lawlessness final cycle version and Revelation 2:2. Do NOT be fooled, the sword stroke coming runs its course of years and resolves into a global “healing” into 8th King World Government and that final sovereign overstep is what triggers Christ arrival a number of years from now. As per Matthew 24:6 the end cannot come with world war, it comes, instead, later with the main mantra world peace of world government as the real 1Thess5:1-3. JWs are being fooled for capture, the org is going down as the Temple Judgment final cycle for many crimes like the UN NGO “transgression causing desolation” of Daniel 8:13 parallel Matthew 24:15. If you are in JW Org, GET OUT AND FLEE FOR YOUR LIFE NOW!!! Heed the UN NGO “disgusting thing standing” in the JW ministry as Matthew 24:15 fulfilled NOW. GET OUT!!!

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In the next few years things are going to get much worse for JWs as the GB’s next set of lies are designed to make them look like Super Prophets but because of Daniel 11:32a inside information is how they know this timing, not prophecy, their prophecy is a self fulfilling prophecy to distract from the real meaning of WTBTS dissolution and the cancellation of the JW ministry from the liar Rev2;2 GB’s own mouth.

Now we cannot blame the victims for they are JWs, and as their King North is now Russia decoy makes them think poised Daniel 11:44 is fulfilling it is the invasion of the Decoration of Daniel 11:41-43 and the nation-state system downfall which will look very dreadful, but as per Revelation 13:3 that death stroke heals instead, into 8th King World Government. As JWs “end of the world” only becomes the end of their world in the WTBTS we must have mercy on those misled sheep and tell them waht is really going on as things will eventually get very dire in JWville.

The coming JW “end of the world” prophecy fails because as Christ said it is not during a world war that the end comes at Matt24:6, but rather, in the 8th King eventual global-mantra of the world peace and security of 1 Thess 5:13. Jot it down, the “doomsday” JW will be trying to say has activated is just the final Rev13:3 sword stroke phase that will heal and resolve into said world government.

8th King World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and “world peace” stated (1Thess5:1-3; Dan12:11), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

Because WTBTS-Bethel will not divulge that SIMPLE SUMMARY, they are removed first in the process as Daniel 8:13-14, timed for future first verification. Bethel is removed first, because Christendom goes down under world government (Rev17:15-18), their global scale is too enormous to be concentrated on at this time. Bethel is the perfect place for a prophetic proportions SIGNAL judgment to occur, and that first and soon. (Dan8:13-14; Zech3:1-5; Mal3:1-5; Rev8:3-5)

(Isaiah 28:18-19) And your covenant with Death will certainly be dissolved, and that vision of yours with Sheol will not stand. The overflowing flash flood, when it passes through—you must also become for it a trampling place. 19 As often as it passes through, it will take you men away, because morning by morning it will pass through, during the day and during the night; and it must become nothing but a reason for quaking TO MAKE OTHERS UNDERSTAND what has been heard.” (Dan11:41; Dan8:13-14)

It is the signal which precedes the final 1260 days warning which with 1914’s 1260 days will complete the “seven times” of Revelation 11 as now 2520 DAYS, future completion.

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There are bitter yet sweet lessons to learn from Jehovah’s witnesses— lessons in terminal devolution into a GB virus infected group that gives loyalty, now, not to God but to a self-appointed group of special-spiritual-CEO cabal of billionaires. Though they are now programming the 3 year hence start of their FAKE Armageddon in a number of ways to support that HOAX countdown completely contrary to any scriptural prerequisites such as the opposite of the global context of Matthew 24:6, JWs are like the lemmings before that fraud manmade board turned Pied Viper. The lesson is, men sow ruin when power and riches are in their sights and these GB clowns do not even balk at using God as the shill to run their con. JWs are then also victims because those GB PlayDoh minds are the ones who built this empire for those lazy bums who count and stash that conservative 30 BILLION, and we really should not hate the Lemmings but the Pied Viper is the viral diseased culprit plain as day. As When Jesus spoke about the GB precursors in the Scribes and Pharisees, like them the GB loves to do the desires of their father as in John 8:44. There is no two ways to see it, their horrid fruitage speaks for itself plain as day. And this is why all their policies cloaked in scripture are actually designed to control the flock to keep THEMSELVES in their abortive premature Kingdom. They will reap what they sow before the eyes of the world, because they sin against God, Christ, humanity and JWs too boot, they are an epidemic of fiends hypnotized but the little power they actually have, more a cave of robbers than apostles. Rev2:2

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I am talking what Jesus Christ said in reference to Daniel 11:31b and that 1990 3rd United Nations presentation JWs joined as co-sponsors. There is at this time only one “disgusting thing” “as spoken of by Daniel the prophet”, and that is that covered up 1990 New World Order King North revealing of 1990 in that 3rd UN presentation after the unique Daniel 11:29 “cold war” different at last than at first in the 2 “hot” world wars 1 and 2.

So, though brother Russell is correct in general, Christ is very specific for a reason, so we can ID today’s JWs as the latest group aboard the wildbeast and the latest returnees to Babylon for a signal “trampling” coming for the JW Org as Daniel 8:13-14 which has yet to fulfill and is the temple judgment purification timing that leads to the final 1260 days of Revelation 11’s “seven times” as brother Russell’s era 1260 days is combined with the future 1260 days for the final “seven times’ as 2520 DAYS when that appeal and Messianic Kingdom completion announcement has passed in the future. JW downfall like the end of the 2520 years seven times to mark 1914, is what marks the final witness phase, witnessing 2 of the TWO witnesses.

There has to be a final witnessing 1260 days coming up after JW downfall and the Daniel 8;14 verification timing.

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According to some COs in Japan and elsewhere, the GB is starting to hype their fake Armageddon for around 3 years (behind closed doors, in line with globalist planning apparently, mind you). We shall see when they go official with this, if they do, as they prime the JW Lemming mind for their Ultimate Pied Piper Prophet credibility campaign prior to the end of the WTBTS apostasy, for that is all that can end at this time. Daniel 8:13-14— but making JWs think the end is here contrary to 2Thess2:1-2 will aid the WTBTS dissolution process and the GB mandated end of the ministry. Instead Destroyer will purge them at the midpoint of Daniel 8:14 timing.

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Yes, that happens to all religions per se. The sign is the “rich man” disease, the religions take much more than they give then the wealth and power, etc, do the corruption work which is very hard for leaders to control for they are human, but that is not the only reason. They sell out their faith in the process and they stash the wealth and keep milking the sheep while they then use God as their shill to keep the sheep showing up. The required confidence is that they are all playing a form of “God’s chosen” so the sheep trust them useless shepherds who get fat off sheep meat and milk— NOT the other way around. (Much like the history of Zechariah 11 context, etc, all of Isaiah for the most part)
At the corporate core is the real story we can only speculate upon and it is difficult to judge all religions in more than a speculation because many spiritually driven groups start out good, but the leader dies and so on, and pretty soon guys that had nothing to do with the development, like the JW GB for example, just don the costumes and act as if they are the same guys to keep the milk $tream flowing. In time though, it seems all religions that assume some millions and billions get stagnant. With JWs their own trumpet blowing and now revealed GB Damage Control Campaigning is why this group is causing the most stir in proportion to its size because it made holy claims but is now in a rotten stew of easily seem mega-hypocrisy.

Mormons and SDA for example are more back-burner, they run the scams but do not rock the boat. With the GB they have to stumble while they milk sheep, to find that trade off because they could be, if not for all the lawlessness, at 20 million JWs if we projected the 1970-75 growth rate as seen at JWStats. But in 1976, the very year that GB took power, the decline begins which stays on a downward spiral to today to the point the trend could be projected into the future for a ZERO JW growth rate by early 2020’s.

That is engineered stumbling while keeping enough blind sheep in the pens to still amass a fortune as big a LDS, but with a smaller group and less time to generate it. This is because JWs are enslaved whole lifetimes, not just 2 years, and they build like crazy all over the world and invest in pro-banker guided investments like the windfall in NY recently shows. With that slave labor up to professional tiers of free work, with a “mission from God” harnessed for greedy billionaire GB CEOs and WTS bloodsuckers, JWs are the most profitable “religion and charity” since Dark Ages Catholicism. That is how they are probably high end estimate twice the net worth as LDS but conservative both groups are worth 30 BILLION each, Mormons and little more as with JWs because those are like 2013 estimates.
That money and power is what drives them leaders into the same addiction as any truly greedy person. NOTHING is going to come between them and their bank statements because that is all they will end up with but the idea of that wealth and access to it while it was around is what drives them, they all live like Kings now, they sell their soul for that kind of “lifestyle” so there is nothing to envy really. And since they use God as their main con-credibility, it cannot turn out well in the end.

But we are in a unique time period and JWs are at the proper scale and proper global disdain to liquidate and dissolve fully, and from the GB programmed “self fulfilling prophecy” it will actually be from their own mouth and handiwork and it will be seen globally and it will be with a global downturn period as the crisis context because it is parallel with known global trends in that direction. Either way like Isaiah 28:21’s principle on old Israel, it is a “strange deed” and ‘unusual work” now brewing in the JW GB-Warlock’s Cauldron and it is for JWs, not “Babylon the Great” or “Christendom”.
So the “thief in the night” has plundered JWs, that is the catch, they were the ones to drunk and asleep to catch on early enough or even now as to what them GB Wizards of Wallkill have really been up to these last 40 years. It will become a “proverbial saying” when the JW aftermath of downfall from their own hand in part, is examined later it is not as pedestrian as it may seem now, it is dead serious stellar blasphemy if there ever was such thing worse than any group since the Pharisees.

That money and power is what drives them leaders into the same addiction as any truly greedy person. NOTHING is going to come between them and their bank statements because that is all they will end up with but the idea of that wealth and access to it while it was around is what drives them, they all live like Kings now, they sell their soul for that kind of “lifestyle” so there is nothing to envy really. And since they use God as their main con-credibility, it cannot turn out well in the end. But we are in a unique time period and JWs are at the proper scale and proper global disdain to liquidate and dissolve fully, and from the GB programmed “self fulfilling prophecy” it will actually be from their own mouth and handiwork and it will be seen globally and it will be with a global downturn period as the crisis context because it is parallel with known global trends in that direction. Either way like Isaiah 28:21’s principle on old Israel, it is a “strange deed” and ‘unusual work” now brewing in the JW GB-Warlock’s Cauldron and it is for JWs, not “Babylon the Great” or “Christendom”. So the “thief in the night” has plundered JWs, that is the catch, they were the ones to drunk and asleep to catch on early enough or even now as to what them GB Wizards of Wallkill have really been up to these last 40 years. It will become a “proverbial saying” when the JW aftermath of downfall from their own hand in part, is examined later it is not as pedestrian as it may seem now, it is dead serious stellar blasphemy if there ever was such thing worse than any group since the Pharisees.

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[QUOTE who=”I_know_better_now “]I believe the truth still exists that will never change I believe these insiders are doing things to deliberately stumble the sheep. It is part of the globalist scheme. Infiltration and deceive.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. (Daniel 11:31) . . .And there will be [spiritual] arms that will stand up [in the temple], proceeding from him [KN Globalists]; and they will actually profane the sanctuary, the fortress, and remove the constant [feature].

The goal is stated, profane the ministry, stumble many as per Dan11:32-35, 40. It is not “many [lands] made to stumble” it is many PEOPLE made to stumble.

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The first precursor of JW’s rank shunning practice was that in the Sanhedrin when one was expelled from that pit of vipers that treated the person like JWs treat those who point out their own long record of lawlessness. It is no surprise then to like the GB to the evil members of the Pharisees as their rotten modern day counterparts. Not all Pharisees were evil, same with JW leaders, only God can tell who is acceptable in the judgment coming of Daniel 8:13-14 and who is from the head viper of John 8:44. JWs as a whole are led by a composite viper in the GB who actually does do the desires of their real father the Devil as Daniel said would be the case by inspiration of God in Daniel 8:11-12 and Daniel 11:31-35. (2Thess2:9; Zech3;1-3) This is why JWs are as “befouled” as person who has lived in the dump a week.

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