August 2015

[QUOTE who=”tim”]All the assets of the JW seem to be owned by nobody?

There already are many “investors”. Some years they pulled in 900 million in donations, not counting the scrap metal fund.

Then that dollar is turned to 10 by free slave labor at all levels of the real estate valuation process.

Given the zeal and determination of both the investors (JWs) and the massive slave labor force in relative numbers, the JW organization profit racket is off the charts, only comparable to the post 500 AD Catholic empire at expansion with real estate valuation.

And this does not include real estate and non real estate investment profiting the the WTBTS is also involved in, in totally secret undisclosed tax sheltered manner. (This is how they can sell 500 million in NY luxury hotal sales in a few years, total windfall, and still beg JWs for more money, while in an organizational downsizing phase, and JWs are none the wiser as to what is really going down)

Thus the WTBTS must be wired into the big banks and hedge fund scale investment networks, where someone, not JWs, does own the JW org empire, to the easy tune of 10 billion dollars.

They just pulled in all the congregational assets of over 100,000 congregations, and lopped off almost 30 branch facilities in about 5 years.

So we are in the early stages of the liquidation phase, that has already netted WTBTS an easy 2 billion in 5 years internationally. A billion from NY real estate alone in but 5 years. You can do the math, because JWs are unable to.


[QUOTE who=”Aneirin”]
That would be ILLEGAL and people would go to jail.[/QUOTE]

And that is what is coming for many WTBTS managers and employees.

And they will sell all the global scale prosecutions of the WTBTS racket to JWs as “consider it all persecution brothers!”.

Thus they have a perfect smokescreen for real criminal activity, and an “it is the end of the world brothers!” hoax for their multi-billion dollar exit plan.

But it will only be an end for the WTBTS. The world system will proceed to world government.

World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

JWs do not understand that simple truth yet, due to Bethel hoaxing. (2Thess2:1-2)

[QUOTE who=”Aneirin”]<quoted text>
NUTS! whole hazel nuts….. Cadbury’s take them and they cover then with chocolate.

Bethel covenanted with the UN as UN NGO. That will require a real accoUNting.

UN King North planners “will have to go back and will give consideration to those leaving the holy covenant.” (Daniel 11:30)

The way Bethel now “LEFT” “THE HOLY COVENANT”, was by adjoining to the UN UN NGO covenant instead.

Very easy to understand why a prosecution phase will be permitted and required by God, that they will sell to JWs as “persecution” and “the end” way too soon of reality. (2Thess2:1-2)

JWs are now under a form of Bethel mind control, and that is why the truth, is nuts to you guys, in effect, you all also ride the wildbeast with Bethel.

THAT was thw hole reason why 8th King KN boys “gave consideration” to Bethel and their UN NGO partnered sponsorship of the UN 3rd global presentation. And that is why Bethel has not explained the propehcy that manifested at that time, at the same time.

In Daniel 11:30-32 and Daniel 8:11-12, the UN Bethel apostasy emerges with that third UN placement of Daniel 11:31b and Daniel 8:23.

But because most JWs are “new school” rookies, Bethel was able to fully hoodwink them as per Daniel 8:12.

(Daniel 8:12) 12 And an

(JW worldwide)

army itself was gradually given over

(to 8th King infiltrative control),

together with the constant [feature]

(imbibed with disinformation),

because of transgression;

(UN NGO and other sins permits allowance of the compromise by removed divine blessing and discernment while fulfillment of prophecy is effected for greater future purpose);

and it kept throwing truth to the earth

(cover up, disinformation),

and it acted and had success.

(Dan11:30 “act effectively”; completely successful in 8th King engineered intelligence and subversion operation deployed through the Governing Body and installed Bethel agents);

> God has set the”firs two witnesses” to proclaim (Revelation 9:7-9) and they
> laid the foundation for the “second two witnesses” who proclaimed as God
> released four angels out of the waters of Babylon the Great to multiply into
> troops of great multitude and force (Revelations 13-21). The “first two
> witnesses” is the “1st woe” (Revelation 8:13; 9:12) and the “second two
> witnesses” are the “2nd woe” (Revelation 9:12; 10:7; 11:1-14). The “3rd woe” is
> (Revelation 11:19). It is over for the “Mother Vergin Harlet Babylon the Great”
> with the “3rd woe” because the devil doubled eclipsed God, the Great Shepherd,
> and the “second two witness” with two eclipse and veils them with lies but when
> they see the “Ark of God” in heaven illuminating in the image of God no one on
> earth will live in lies with “the Virgin Mother Harlet of Babylon the Great.”
> The world will know God and His knowledge will be illuminated so the whole
> world will see. It will illuminate over all to see. That is the beginning of
> the end for the “Virgin Harlot” because she was nothing but a lie.

Yes. The light must come.

We are in for the major cycle to world government, and in time the basics of global news and research about world government to result from globalization completion must come forth, and there are many Christians, JWs, xJWs, and others who will get the final news over this process.

I did a brief (given the subject matter) article on how Bible prophecy of world government, and so-called “conspiracy theory”, really global research in many forms, are now converging in the same theme: WORLD GOVERNMENT.

World Government Bible Prophecy and “Conspiracy Theory” Converge

Click to access world_government_bible_prophecy_and_conspiracy_theory-draft1.pdf

iT IS THE DRAFT, BECAUSE i WANT TO do that one as complete as possible to link prophecy and many globalization sectors that will converge into that world government.

And in like manner, the whole Bible prophecy symbol of the “scarlet wildbeast” TOTALITY also converge all propehcy into also world government.

Though much has been revealed by global researchers, it is quite simple in import:

World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

And that is why Bethel is there to STALL and KEEP THE CONNECTIONS SEVERED, because it is simple, for the basic person of little understanding, and it is complex for those more deeply involved in tracking the whole process of propehcy and global development in MODERN form.

Thus, the world itself is revealing the world government goal far better than Bethel. What has to occur is what Fred Franz did for his era, he connected MODERN events of his day to prophecy properly.

The final witness will merely complete the summary.

Bethel apostasy fits perfectly into chapter 1, temple judgment trigger development. From there everything else will fall into place to world government, and hence Christ arrival, for he is the ONLY SOLUTION from God.

And since many theories out there try to imply the NWO can be defeated by men, awakening, financial planning, governmental reform, and what have you, ONLY God and Christ can stop those guys. The NWO cannot be reversed, nor overcome by men, groups, or nations.

But the two witnesses will “war WITH” them, so that “little scroll” news is a conquest that God and Christ will complete. Then the finality of that “group” of “remainign ones of her seed” will conquer, for real, with Christ.

(Revelation 17:14) These will battle with the Lamb, but, because he is Lord of lords and King of kings, the Lamb will conquer them. Also, those called and chosen and faithful with him [will do so].”


[QUOTE who=”Dogen”]<quoted text>
Isn’t revisionist church history amazing.
Cults can rationalize anything. The Peoples Temple still has members.[/QUOTE]

You have never read the whole global context of the judgment. A final GLOBAL CALL will be accomplished that will involve Christ COMPLETING his won ministry, hence the obvious Revelation 14 meaning.

Christendom and Bethel are corporate based apostasies that work to stall guaranteed prophecy. They are the ones trying to “revise” prophecy for subversion purposes, to sell people 666 world government as if “Gods Kingdom everybody!”.

Ultimately there is ONE temple, and ONE apostasy, merely confused by the religious labels that define ALL RELIGION as apostasy.

Faith in religion, is not the same as FAITH in God. Faith and religion are also not the same thing.

(Revelation 14:12) . . .Here is where it means endurance for the holy ones, those who observe the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.”

EVERYONE of ALL planet Earth will be put to this coming test. ANYONE can be saved by being assessed FAITHFUL to God, by God and Christ.

Those merely acting will be given opportunity to repent with everyone else also in need of remaining faithful.

RELIGION is the main Babylon the Great enemy of faith in God and Christ, for faith in men, creeds and religion corporations. (corpse-orations, or dead religious bodies)

The “church” of apostate corporate Christianity goes down under world government. (Hence Matt24:15 is final form; Rev18:4)

World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

Apostate UN-Bethel (JW org/WTBTS) will go down first. (Dan8:13-14 as Dan11:41 and 1Pet4:17) They had made the most progress in prophecy, before they went UN NGO wildbeast sponsors.

From there the final cycle proceeds in US/EU downfall to allow world government “8th King” “King North” global rise. (Rev11:7; Rev17:8-18)

Revelation 8-11 has a future final fulfillment cycle based on the JW accurate preview of that prophecy.




[QUOTE who=”Lordylordy9111″]<quoted text>
The scrptires say after the second woe, that is the finish of the “second two witnesses” (Revelations 11:1-14) the “Ark of God” will be seen from heaven. This is the 3rd woe (Revelation 11:19). It will illuminate in God’s image and it will break the curse of the two eclipse that over shadowed God, the Great Shepherd, and the “second two witnesses.” It will be the beginning of the end for BTG the “Mother Virgin Harlet” because if the “Ark of God” is seen from heaven, it will illuminate the TRUTH and knowledge of God and come in the image of God. So the answer to your question is #2. Angels and Holy Spirit. So there will be a new earthly congregation. It will not be JWs or have a name. It will become what you ARE and not a name. Bible student, Christain, born again Christian, etc. [/QUOTE]

Bethel will try to promote the myth that since the tribulation has started, the sealing of anointed will be complete which is a lie.

Instead there will be an anointed DEPLETION of whatever “five foolish virgins” who dumped their original “oil” will mean. That is why Bethel scandal aids discrediting the first witnessing cycle.

So they want to keep the anointing incomplete as far as God’s purposed requirement. So the final “enlightenment” in that “reserve oil” from the first witnessing batch will help some new anointed go with their new opportunity, as instead MORE ANOINTED WILL BE REQUIRED over this distraction phase.

So Bethel will continue to try to eclipse the light. But as per prophecy, a final “light up” will emerge:

(Matthew 25:5-7) . . .While the bridegroom was delaying, they all nodded and went to sleep. 6 Right in the middle of the night there arose a cry, ‘Here is the bridegroom! Be on YOUR way out to meet him.’ 7 Then all those virgins rose and put their lamps in order.

The reserve “oil” and that putting the “lamps” in order, implies a final full lighting campaign will help others welcome the Bridegroom over this eventful final phase.


It’s an elite thing:

20 establishment figures ‘in elite paedophile ring’

Former child protection manager says there are up to 20 prominent public figures in alleged paedophile ring covering Parliament and judiciary.

Though it is a problem everywhere, certain places are top down influenced.

Pedophiles in Politics: An Open Source Investigation

Pedophiles in Politics: An Open Source Investigation

Christendom is an elite controlled corporate complex, which Bethel shows the same top-down corruption dynamics: Cover up and aid of procurement of victims at all levels of the Satanic focus of child abuse.



So they say one thing:

Boys Town – Saving Children, Healing Families

Yet do another:

Conspiracy of Silence – Boys Town Nebraska Sex Ring

Satanic Ritual Child Abuse in the USA: BSA, Penn State, Boys Town, & The Franklin Sex Scandal 6

Sort of like the HBO True Detective first season plot.

The Deeper Meaning of “True Detective” – Season One

The Deeper Meaning of “True Detective” – Season One


The JW Org Attack Set Up Speculation

The Bethel corporate elite regime dictators will not do anything to rectify the problem. Why? Because it opens the org up for external prosecution so that Bethel is forced by secular legal authorities to comply. And in that corporate prosecution phase, on down the WTBTS pyramid into 200 lands and local congregational liable “Jesuit” elder- regimes, they will sell it all to JWs as “persecution” and “the end of the world”.

It seems this will be the handy set up for deconstructing the org; and that legally, under focus of removing Bethel’s own private legal system. Imo, Bethel will play stubborn and arrogant, to in time force prosecution, rather than voluntarily comply.

And thus one sector of the legal deposition of the WTBTS has a handy smokescreen in which real corporate prosecutions, can be sold to JWs as something else entirely. Thus Bethel can be “invaded” (Dan11:41) and “trampled” (Dan8:13), and JWs will accept it and aid it, for they will believe it is “the attack of Gog brothers!” (and Daniel 11:44, too soon) and “it is the end brothers!”.

And that delusion (2Thess2:1-2) will paralyze JWs into aiding the whole WTBTS sacking process.

But it will just be the end of Bethel, and that is why the apostate GB will make ZERO changes until they are forced to do so, to aid the “invasion” from within Bethel corporate. (Dan11:32a; Dan8:12) The world will continue through 7th King downfall, to 8th King/King North world government, and JWs will be “homeless” as far as a corporate religious brothel to call home. (Zech13:7; Zech11)

God will allow and require it, because Bethel made a partnership as UN NGO with the UN anyways, and must now reap the seed they have sown.

The Apostate Bethel judgment is the one that precedes, by several years, “8th King” “King North” world government.

1. And this is also why Bethel is LIQUIDATING BILLIONS IN ASSETS OUT OF THE WTBTS, to channel billions to King North elites in the derivatives channel and by out right embezzlement. They want to get a few billion OUT, BEFORE Bethel hits the fan in corporate prosecution for illegal policies, racketeering, and an independent Bethel “legal system”.

2. This is also why Bethel has stripped the KH’s of all savings, to daisy chain them into the takeover and legal tsunami as weakened as possible to seize the KHs in the process.

The independent Bethel “legal system” attempts to, and does override the law of Caesar, to justify real criminal and racketeering policies and behavior at global scale of national prosecution requirement, and that Bethel sub-legal-system will be the focus of prosecutions. Thus we are talking the true global potential of multi-national takedown of the Bethel private legal system and its damming policies—policies which also hard wire Bethel liability in writing, making their guilt very easy to establish for Caesar.

It already is illegal, because Bethel is not obeying God as ruler, rather than men, but is disobeying BOTH God and Caesar to justify, AS BETHEL POLICY, a pedophile and slave labor racket that enriches the Bethel elites; AND now sets up the JW org for a legal downfall and orgwide prosecutions (Dan11:41; Dan8:13-14) that they will simply sell to JWs as “persecution” and “the end”, which it will not actually be, but it will instead be real required justice for many crimes.

Thus a perfect JW hoax and exit strategy smokescreen is now set up.

The more stubborn Bethel plays it up, the harder Ceasar’s legal system will come down on the JW org. So Bethel can control the severity of the “attack”, but it will be for justifiable prosecutions. It is like Bethel and the GB dolts are their own worst enemy—because they are. They are also a JWs worst enemy as well.

[QUOTE who=”imagoodboy”]<quoted text>
Do you think there is any thing like a true christian organization out there somewhere?
Or are we just part of the spirit of Christ. Doing our best to follow his example no matter we’re we are? And in the end we will be judged accordingly to his law of love!


Now if you read that last OPEN SALVATION PROOF, we also understand the harsh self-righteous Bethel judgment stand is now moot. INSTEAD they go into judgment first. (1Pet4:17), as an example for ALL CHRISTIANS and many others, because they are NOT promoting the full breadth of the salvation message.

JW Bethel goes down first, so that that “everlasting GOOD NEWS” is free to come forth with the full truth, that ANYONE can be saved, as long as they love their neighbor.

Now the JW “religion” is one more army in the war within Christianity, to distract away from the truth of the final cycle. Apostate Bethel, now UN NGO, is now but another “division” and “sect” that reproaches the true love of God and Christ, and their BIG OPEN SALVATION TRUTH.

(2 Peter 2:1-3) . . .However, there also came to be false prophets among the people, as there will also be false teachers among YOU. These very ones will quietly bring in destructive sects and will disown even the owner that bought them, bringing speedy destruction upon themselves. 2 Furthermore, many will follow their acts of loose conduct, and on account of these the way of the truth will be spoken of abusively. 3 Also, with covetousness they will exploit YOU with counterfeit words. But as for them, the judgment from of old is not moving slowly, and the destruction of them is not slumbering.

Bethel and their GB UN “loose conduct crew”, are now the definition of that general prophecy, Bethel is now one of the “sects”. The FAITH is global and invisible in scope of God’s assessment OF ALL PEOPLE through Christ.

That is why after Bethel “city of murderers” goes down, a final call will emerge:

(Matthew 22:7-10) 7 “But the king grew wrathful, and sent his armies and destroyed those murderers and burned their city. 8 Then he said to his slaves, ‘The marriage feast indeed is ready, but those invited were not worthy. 9 Therefore go to the roads leading out of the city, and anyone YOU find invite to the marriage feast.’ 10 Accordingly those slaves went out to the roads and gathered together all they found, both wicked and good; and the room for the wedding ceremonies was filled with those reclining at the table.


Angels (and approved Christians) also aid that precursor to Christ arrival, they are who go out with that final call. But Christ is who completes that still incomplete ministry, even up to that final call for final anointings and more people.

God cannot bring down all Christendom at this time, but under world government. Bethel is a small religion (in Christendom by UN alliance), but with a big message being stalled at its furthest progress, so they are the perfect place to set the temple judgment example (1Pet4:17; Dan8:13-14), and to signal the final cycle has begun from their downfall “invasion” of Daniel 11:41.

Everything will get clearer after Bethel’s obstacle is laid low.

(Zechariah 4:6-9) Accordingly he answered and said to me: “This is the word of Jehovah to Zerubbabel, saying, ‘“Not by a military force, nor by power, but by my spirit,” Jehovah of armies has said. 7 Who are you, O great mountain? Before Zerubbabel [you will become] a level land. And he will certainly bring forth the headstone. There will be shoutings to it: “How charming! How charming!”’” 8 And the word of Jehovah continued to occur to me, saying: 9 “The very hands of Zerubbabel have laid the foundation of this house, and his own hands will finish [it].

Bethel is but one mountain to flattened:

(Revelation 8:8-11) And the second angel blew his trumpet. And something like a great mountain burning with fire was hurled into the sea. And a third of the sea became blood; 9 and a third of the creatures that are in the sea which have souls died, and a third of the boats were wrecked.

And exposed for what its leadership has become:

10 And the third angel blew his trumpet. And a great star burning as a lamp fell from heaven, and it fell upon a third of the rivers and upon the fountains of waters. 11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood. And a third of the waters turned into wormwood, and many of the men died from the waters, because these had been made bitter.


[QUOTE who=”Dale Earnhart”]<quoted text>
I’m glad to hear you’re on the watch about Masons. I can’t think of any public preacher that isn’t at least vaguely disgusting. B.G., too, [though I’ve never heard him], because he disgraces us locals.

The Bethel GB are all 33rd degree Masonic aids as well.

JW org?

J = 10th letter
W = 23rd letter


so it is JWorg and also “33” org. A hidden meaning to the 33rd degree Masons up in the GB, and scattered around the Bethel UN NGO sold out and compromised ministry.

THAT is why they push the JW Media, or Masonic 33 Media diversion now. It is all about the 33rd degree control of UN-Bethel.

Daniel Prophecy and 8th King Globalists
Daniel 11:36-41 and Daniel 8:23-25 8th King Globalist Details and the Bethel Apostasy Co-Development

They conceal the last two, of the four total, UN global presentations, as long as they can:

All Four United Nations Presentations are Foretold in Bible Prophecy

Four 8th King UN Cycles to World Government – 1919-Future

UN 1. 1919 – Rev13:11-15 (Dan12:11 first fulfillment) as League of Nations after WW1;

A. International Bible Students Association (IBSA) explained as prophecy;

UN 2. 1945 – Rev17:8-11 as United Nations after WW2;

A. Jehovah’s Witnesses (JW) explained as prophecy;

Unknown and unstated by UN NGO allied Bethel and Jehovah’s witnesses:

UN 3. 1990 – Daniel 11:31b as United Nations “New World Order” Initiative after WW3 (Cold War) (Dan11:29);

A. Covered up by Bethel as UN NGO, not explained as prophecy by any religious group;

[We are Here…]

UN 4. Future – Daniel 11:45; Daniel 8:25; (Daniel 12:11 last fulfillment) as United Nations and World Government after 4th world tribulation/war cycle to come.

A. Not currently explained by Bethel in lieu of a premature “end of the world” deception. (2Thess2:1-2)

B. To be explained after the JW temple judgment desolation, purification and removal of lawless Bethel engineered subversion (2Thess2:1-4; Dan11:30-31; Dan8:11-13);

World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

THAT simple truth is why the 33 degree boys have overridden Bethel for JW subversion, to derail the final simple Christ arrival on the world government trigger meaning.

Bethel is all 33rd degree Mason run.


[QUOTE who=”Lordylordy9111″]<quoted text>
Not only has Bethel lied to them about how people become “anointed” but in recent Watchtower articles Bethel told the JW “anointed” members that. the Holy Spirit they receive is not inspired or has any insight. Only the “seven” have the Holy Spirit with insight. They told all JW “anointed” not to draw attention to themselves. Like Paul and Peter did? You are suppose to because your message is about Jesus in a world that belongs to satan and satan’s entire world depends on completely eclipsing Jesus. So with a message about Jesus your going to draw attention to yourself because satan will notice you.
Then Bethel said the number is complete to end all concerning “anointing” and it really is not even close to completion. GB work for satan. Don’t listen to them. [/QUOTE]

Well they give the impression God is looking for a 90 year old woman, with a “life of full time service”. He can do that true, but God is interested in “service” of faithfulness AFTER the anointing, NOT BEFORE. Just look at Saul, anointed while yet a severe sinner! ON THE SPOT!!!

And what did Paul do AFTER the anointing by seeing the light, so to speak? He remained faithful, from that point and there after.

So, in a way Bethel has the true anointing story what we call ASS BACKWARDS. And the more we see the covered up sins of UN NGO, pedophiles and cold heartless and merciless “shunning” to enforce silence, the more we see post GB 1976 tyranny has turned out to be a DISASTER as the whole JW faith, has morphed into faith in an apostate religion.

The GB is the “Korah class” who usurped Knorr and Fred Franz “Moses and Aaron” class of individually guided spearheads, from God’s way of doing it, for their own authority and a grasping “rule by committee” DISASTER in the making.


Fred Franz “”went on to say that he had not been in favor of the change then and that from that point forward he had “just been watching” to see what would result.”” (CoC; Ch. 4)

Now we know exactly what has resulted, and why Fred Franz had a bad feeling about the GB “lifting themselves over everyone”. (2Thss2:3-4)

Now we know the result: APOSTASY.


It is now “the lie”:

(2 Thessalonians 2:11-12) So that is why God lets an operation of error go to them, that they may get to believing the lie, 12 in order that they all may be judged because they did not believe the truth but took pleasure in unrighteousness.

And all that from the 1976 GB “error” and the erred GB concept, NOT BIBLICAL.

Just a matter of time now, before God stomps the place, using the same old enemy system tools to do it. (Dan11:41; Dan8:13)

I have come to full realize JUST HOW EVIL THE GOVERNMENT BODY OF JWS actually is. I hold none of the stalwart individual guides in Rutherford, Knorr or Fred Franz responsible. ALL OF THEM tried to keep the “board of directors” in check, from pulling such a disgraceful coup and folly as this pulled off in 1976.

What a bunch of power and limelight seeking SELF-RIGHTEOUS SATANIC THEIR-OWN-BUTT-KISSERS. It is what it is, the GB is the truth’s and JW’s and all people’s WORST ENEMY.



And that is ALL it is, a non-Biblical EXPERIMENT in FOLLY.

Connecting Bethel Lawlessness to Final Prophecy

It’s only going to get far worse, from here on out, and it will be the temple judgment (Dan8:13-14), not the end. (Dan11:41)


[QUOTE who=”the Mad JW”]Sexual Abuse gets EVERYONE’S ‘blood boiling’- and the deceivers KNOW that.
ALSO knowing their Pretend Faith is even Cheesier, they LOVE being able to
use such evil examples in my Brotherhood (pretending THEIR’S has none).
To discourage such perversions? Nah. The perverted won’t stop because of Topix.
To reveal False Religion? Nah. It has nothing to do with what a religion believes about God.
To divert attention away from their utter Hypocrisy.
They LOVE squeezing into Judge’s robes to Play Judge.

The Cheesiest Diversion from the Cheesiest Religious Organization: CHURCHianity[/QUOTE]

Everyone loves to play judge, you know that. So that is but a general answer.

IF someone has been sexually victimized for real in the JW org, then had to go through the org silencing apparatus, then they want? JUSTICE. They want the story to go to the civil “superior authorities” of a true “Judicial Committee”, to get the crimes exposed, judged and rectified, plain and simple: they want TRUE JUSTICE.

We have to think about the REAL VICTIMS here, not “the org”, not the aloof GB, and so on, THEY already have reproached God by covering sins.

The problem with the Catholic church is the same problem with Bethel, and other religions. But Bethel’s problem began by wanting to be judges of every little gnat detail in existence. And by so doing they brought >>LIABILITY<< on the ministry, by meddling in things that have to be left up to THE PERSON’S CONSCIENCE, TO STAND ON THEIR OWN, and when real crimes occur, to be “handed over” to REQUIRED civil legal jurisdictions.

We cannot harbor rapists and murderers! What is not clear in this law of Caesar that God is in full agreement with?

What Bethel does is attempt to bring no reproach on their corporate “holy man” GB-Dynasty, by saying they are oh so “concerned about Jehovah’s name” “being dragged through the mud”.

Yet Bethel can join the UN NGO sponsors pantheon of UN “non-Kingdom organizations” and think that is fine and dandy and no reproach whatsoever?

They think they can do whatever in the hell the want to do, and “all is good brothers!”?


Yes they have, it is called spiritual DRUNKENESS, and it goes from bad to worse to the point it is a farce now easily seen by the secular authorities and anyone with a biased or unbaised view, while JWs act as if nothing is amiss. “All’s good!”.

The ONLY people on earth accepting the validity of Bethel’s private sovereign legal system is? Jehovah’s witnesses. God does not accept that farce of reproach and neither does Caesar, so Bethel is DONE, it is now time to reap, what they really have been sowing: lawlessness, hidden under a veneer of “we are God’s chosen” >presumptions<, not fact, but CLAIMS OF MERE MEN.

The fact is Bethel says they “obey God as ruler rather than men”. But in REALITY, they DISOBEY BOTH GOD AND THE “SUPERIOR AUTHORITIES”. It is what it is. The RC is just trying to make it all obvious to? JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES LEADERSHIP.

But now here is the rub: the civil legal systems will want change and redress from Bethel. FOR REAL CRIMINAL ACTIVITY. And now Bethel can sell REAL PROSECUTIONS AND LITIGATIONS, for REAL CRIMES AND LIABILITIES, AS?

“it is all persecution brothers!”.

Thus we have a very DANGEROUS situation forming, IN REALITY, which spiritually drunk JWs, on the Bethel UN-Wine dregs, for 25 years, have a difficult time seeing the REALITY of this DANGEROUS escalation in GLOBAL CIVIL LEGAL AWARENESS, of REAL Bethel criminal activity.

The danger is in JW perception to God’s JUSTICE now about to go full blown on Bethel. (Zech3:1-3; Dan8:13)

It is NOT “the end”, nor is it “persecution”.

It is long time coming, true justice coming, on Bethel and its apostate arrogant UN allied leaders for YEARS of crimes against humanity and God, as soon they MUST also “reap what they have sown”.

It is called the temple judgment. (Dan8:13-14; Dan11:41)

The danger is we need to REPENT OF BETHEL SINS, and not share with them, rather than take the unrepentant Bethel GB stand on what is true criminal liability that God will require repentance to recover from. THAT is the danger, the GB attitude will get JWs rejected by God, if we remain stubborn, rather than submit to the global discipline coming upon the UN-JW organization for REAL CRIMES against God and mankind.

THAT is where the GB experiment has now led JWs: to the fire:

(Zechariah 3:1-4) . . .And he proceeded to show me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of Jehovah, and Satan standing at his right hand in order to resist him. 2 Then [the angel of] Jehovah said to Satan: “Jehovah rebuke you, O Satan, yes, Jehovah rebuke you, he who is choosing Jerusalem! Is this one not a log snatched out of the fire?” 3 Now as for Joshua, he happened to be clothed in befouled garments and standing before the angel. 4 Then he answered and said to those standing before him: “Remove the befouled garments from upon him.” And he went on to say to him: “See, I have caused your error to pass away from upon you, and there is a clothing of you with robes of state.”


(Hosea 6:1-3) . . .“Come, you people, and do let us return to Jehovah, for he himself has torn in pieces but he will heal us. He kept striking, but he will bind us up. 2 He will make us alive after two days. On the third day he will make us get up, and we shall live before him. 3 And we will know, we will pursue to know Jehovah. Like dawn, his going forth is firmly established. And he will come in like a pouring rain to us; like a spring rain that saturates [the] earth.”

All God wants is JUSTICE.

(Micah 6:8) He has told you, O earthling man, what is good. And what is Jehovah asking back from you but to exercise justice and to love kindness and to be modest in walking with your God?

And some people also want justice to prevail. True, many do not realize what Bethel judgment will mean (1Pet4:17; Dan11:41; Dan8:13-14; Rev8:3-5), but it is what it is: the start of the final cycle.

Bethel MUST be accounted for real crimes against God and man. Plain and simple. Protecting rapists is just a part of the required accounting. The UN NGO is the real crime against God.

Temple Indictment as UN NGO “Transgression” Related (Matt24:15);

(Daniel 8:13-14) And I got to hear a certain holy one speaking, and another holy one proceeded to say to the particular one who was speaking: “How long will the vision be of the (profaned) constant [feature] and of the transgression causing desolation (UN NGO alliance of Daniel 11:31b), to make both [the] holy place (temple “established place”; Dan8:11) and [the] (JW worldwide) army things to trample on?” (first 8th King “trampling” “attack” defining the spiritual meaning of the “tribulation of those days” beginning); 14 So he said to me: “Until two thousand three hundred evenings [and] mornings; and [the] holy place will certainly be brought into its right condition.” (Temple judgment purification completed in this timed period parallel Zechariah 3:4-5, Revelation 8:1-5);


[QUOTE who=”wilg”]<quoted text>
the good news is preached then the end… i suppose you missed the part where i said it was directly stated..

Well to complete the good news, the whole truth must come out, and as it comes out the world will be in a “sword stroke” to “healing” phase:

(Revelation 13:3) And I saw one of its heads as though slaughtered to death, but its death-stroke got healed, and all the earth followed the wild beast with admiration.

Which healing is the “let the nations regain power” as the whole Isaiah 41 sequence begins:

(Isaiah 41:1) “Attend to me in silence, you islands; and let national groups themselves regain power. Let them approach. At that time let them speak. Let us come up close together for the judgment itself.

So if we want to complete the “good news” we might as well tell the whole good news SUMMARY:

(Revelation 10:6-7) . . .“There will be no delay any longer; 7 but in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to blow his trumpet, the sacred secret of God according to the good news which he declared to his own slaves the prophets is indeed brought to a finish.”

(Isaiah 52:7) . . .How comely upon the mountains are the feet of the one bringing good news, the one publishing peace, the one bringing good news of something better, the one publishing salvation, the one saying to Zion: “Your God has become king!”

Which is:

(Revelation 11:15) . . .And the seventh angel blew his trumpet. And loud voices occurred in heaven, saying: “The kingdom of the world did become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he will rule as king forever and ever.”

(Isaiah 61:1-3) . . .The spirit of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah is upon me, for the reason that Jehovah has anointed me to tell good news to the meek ones. He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to those taken captive and the wide opening [of the eyes] even to the prisoners; 2 to proclaim the year of goodwill on the part of Jehovah and the day of vengeance on the part of our God; to comfort all the mourning ones; 3 to assign to those mourning over Zion, to give them a headdress instead of ashes. . .

Because the final witness is in sackcloth:

(Revelation 11:3) . . .And I will cause my two witnesses to prophesy a thousand two hundred and sixty days dressed in sackcloth.”

And ends as the 8th King “scarlet wildbeast” ascends into the world government signal trigger:

(Revelation 11:7) . . .And when they have finished their witnessing, the wild beast that ascends out of the abyss will make war with them and conquer them and kill them.

Once that whole story goes out, the final sheep gathering will come. “The end” is the very end of the process, so OPEN SALVATION is available the whole time, which is the “good news” part of the “good news”.

There is much that defines the “good news” preaching before “the end”, and it needs to be told in full, before the end can come.

(Revelation 10:11) . . .And they say to me: “You must prophesy AGAIN with regard to peoples and nations and tongues and many kings.”

(Revelation 14:6-7) . . .And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, and he had EVERLASTING GOOD NEWS to declare as glad tidings to those who dwell on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people, 7 saying in a loud voice: “Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of the judgment by him has arrived, and so worship the One who made the heaven and the earth and sea and fountains of waters.”

Angels also declare the “good news” to totally globally complete the offer.



This is unfair, because AB is open minded to understand where Bethel and the Bible part ways.

Some witnesses of Jehovah can respect our truths from the Bible, and at the same time where Bethel is lawlessly diverging, at this time. (Matt24:15)

Connecting Bethel Lawlessness to Final Prophecy

Once we keep the original truth, and honestly expose “the lie” (Rev2:2; 2Thess2:11-12), now active from the lawless GB, LO AND BEHOLD!

The apostasy is prophecy! FAITH is BUILT UP!!! In spite of the negative downturn!

Modern Man of Lawlessness Exposed Strengthens Faith

The truth is still the truth, and Bethel’s lawless one is set for removal, and it is ALL true! ALL as per propehcy to more solidly demonstrate to all the world, that Christ will also arrive after the enemy system completes their final global abomination of WORLD GOVERNMENT.

Once Bethel is downed, the big truth of the whole final cycle will come forth. ALL AS PER GUARANTEED PROPHECY AND the required precursor to CHRIST ARRIVAL CERTAINTY!

Why TWO Witnesses?

Click to access why_two_witnesses_revelation11.pdf

World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

Thus MODERN Bethel apostasy, fits into the plot perfectly.

Bethel’s Main Delusion: The End is Near, Jehovah’s Day is Here! – is a Signal of The Final Apostasy

Click to access bethel-premature-end-delusion-marks-final-apostasy.pdf

Temple Judgment to World Government to Christ Arrival

8th King/King North World Government as Simple as Possible

Bethel cannot fool everyone.

(Matthew 24:23-25) . . .“Then if anyone says to YOU, ‘Look! Here is the Christ,’ or, ‘There!’ do not believe it. 24 For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will give great signs and wonders so as to mislead, if possible, even the chosen ones.

>>>>25 Look! I have forewarned YOU.<<<<


On August 06, 15, Lordylordy9111 wrote:
> When the political elites want to cull the common people as they did on 9.11
> they will use the National Guard through activating FEMA. There will be one
> hundred National Guard troops sent in each major city with 9 military humvees
> outfitted each with M109. These humvees are bullet and bomb (iud) proof. What
> could destroy these bomb proof humvees? Isn’t there some kind of device that
> can be lauched like a missile that sticks to the military humvee that produces
> a major electric shock that completely burns out the humvee engine’s electricl
> system rendering the humvee completely useless? Surely the CIA has this device
> that can be propelled from a hand held missile launcher?
> You know the second most powerful weapon of war is the military bomb proof
> humvee. The first most powerful weapon of war is the airforce bomber airplanes.
> Just wondering.

At 911, I think standard demo stuff was just the basic:

Dr Judy Wood : Evidence of breakthrough energy technology on 9/11

So they were probably using some “directed energy” devices that are external to the building and all the standard “old world order” weapon delivery devices like tanks, humvess and plains and even missiles.

They can now direct pure energy in many forms. So an Electro Magnetic Pulse (EMP) device can be remote, and it can fry all electrical circuitry. Of course these modern engines all employ computers, so they would be toast.

But in any event a “new world order” level of warfare is now out there, and that is why the NWO is confident they can subdue the old school devices when they need to resolve the global “sword stroke” period.

If they engineer world war artificially, they can also engineer “world peace”, and then use the weapons for their real goal: depopulation.

Of course that is the “no flesh would be saved” worst period, under world government, when Christ has to show up. To keep everything functional to the required degree, they have to schedule all this for the very end of the world government presentation process.

In the meantime, like in martial law, they cannot lose control of their core functionality. So whatever they do will be by a master plan of what needs to be protected, and what can be allowed to go into controlled chaos.

I know their goal will try to make it look like the real “end of the world” for a peak period before the “healing” phase, so they can create the proper “problem” for the global psychological preparation of the global “solution” presentation.

Of course the minute they are sacking the JW org, and this stuff intensifies, JWs will be in a robotic “its the end brothers!” mode, and will be useless for quite some time. They will buy the whole story, kook line and sinker. They want the world to buy the story too. Because that will make the “healing” into “world peace and security” all the more hopeful, relieving and admirable. (Rev13:3=Rev17:8 “admiration” of the wild beast)

It will take JWs some time period before they understand it does not “end” quite as soon as they were misled to believe.

Either way, we need to pray for lots of faith, because this is going to get very interesting in time. Look how they are prepping the global opinion of the JW org, by the child abuse angle, in high profile form. They want to discredit JWs, and then the whole Christian prophecy complex, to make it all look invalid.


ALL the bad policy begins in 1976-1981, when the GB coup went into dictatorial override stabbing God, Knorr and Franz in the back.

After that that glory seeking cabal then instituted the iron fist star chamber enforced “shunning” rules to make sure no one chiseled them from the catbird seat.

From there came the over extended Bethel private “judiciary” to burden the flock, booting a Pall Mall smoker, but sheltering predators, go figure. Then the GB dolts found it advisable to become 1990 3rd UN “New World Order” UN NGO co-promoting sponsors of that foretold UN event (Dan11:30-32a), rather than explain it as Rutherford and Knorr and Franz had done on the former two UN presentations, all foretold, UN 1-2 for a UN 1-2-3, and the UN 1-2-3-4 no also COVERED UP by lawless full blown apostate Bethel as “governed” by that GB wolf pack, as they toss everyone but their billionaire freeloading carcasses under the bus in this JW downward spiral to the end of Bethel.

Now they keep the King North world government propehcy, AS IF the USSR, so they can sell Daniel 11:41 coming up upon Bethel, AS IF Daniel 11:44. That over advanced position in Daniel 11, is allowed by the GB keeping the KN error, with no update for the 3rd UN presentation of Daniel 11:31b, and Daniel 8:23, 1990, 3rd UN event of prophecy.

1990 is when UN NGO Bethel “left the holy covenant” for the UN NGO covenant, (Dan11:30b), and they are the apostates and impostors (Dan11:31a), who aided that 3rd UN presentation in UN NGO and COVER UP (Dan8:12) as the KN backed apostate guides of Daniel 11:32a.

THAT is what is going down now, and the GB is the failed experiment that now governs this JW apostasy. All from 1976 GB Bethel coup “Korah” events of 1976-present.

Now God will crunch ’em, to remove the obstacle prior to world government UN1-2-3-4, that will trigger the Christ arrival, as by Bethel scandalous antics, the whole JW population is now also fully derailed and well OFF COURSE, by the GB Titanic captains “navigation’.

When UN NGO Bethel Placed The Disgusting Thing

1990: 3RD UN Presentation—The Key to Modern Bethel Reality

The ship is lost, and sinking.


Well the “Governing Body” today is just a perceived continuation of INDIVIDUAL leadership that prevailed until 1976.

So they are not involved with anything but parroting interpretations that had NOTHING to do with developing.

It is called “bait and switch”, and it originated in 1976 with the GB coup, so their apostasy is all one will find in “interpretations” they now bypass as a UN partnered UN NGO United Nations sponsoring organization.

They are more than just fallible, they are the source of all error, NOT the former UN tracking interpretations of 1914-1969 which progressed to that point in 1963 and 1969, and now have devolved under the illegal and non-Biblical “Governing Body” coup and experiment in ministerial management.

But Rutherford called it like he saw it:

Brother JF Rutherford Exposes the “New World Order”:

“”The new world means more than the nations realize. It calls for more than THEY can muster. The bald fact is that they do not want it. For that reason the promised new world of lasting peace, which world shall be what all lovers of right want, should not be confused with the so-called “new order” or “new world order” which is today held up by political and religious dictators as a lure to the people. The righteous new world is the very opposite of that selfish and ambitious human scheme. “”

“”Such scheme seeks realization by harsh, brutal might, by the destruction of millions of lives and peaceful homes, by the forcing of the common people contrary to their conscience and personal free choice, and, for shame! by the co-operation of religion to persuade the subjected peoples that such “new order” is according to the will of Almighty God. Set up by such means and ways and for such purposes, that proposed “order” could never be the expression of the will of a God of truth and justice. It shall never endure, even though backed up by religion. Because it stands in the way of the new world and poses as a counterfeit substitute for it, that “order” shall go down, and its allies with it.”” (The New World; 1942, pg. 10)

pg. 126

“”The “new world order” proposed by scheming men is the “abomination of desolation” which aims to stand in the holy place of God’s kingdom. Both the prophet Daniel and Christ Jesus foretold it as marking the approach of the FINAL END and therefore the time to make all haste and flee to The Theocratic Government under Christ Jesus. (Daniel 11: 31; 12:11; Matthew 24:15-21) “”

“”That attempted “new world order” which is pushed forward in opposition to and as a substitute for God’s new world under “The King of kings and Lord of lords” is the final expression of the antichrist. Do not look for the antichrist to be an individual man or beast. It is that “new order” organization. The antichrist is here, and its appearance marks the “last time” for this world.”” (The New World; 1942, pg. 126)


Now the GB today is a UN partner, so they no longer expose the “New World Order” for what it is, and are therefore irrelevant in all prophetic discussions other than their modern apostate wildbeast ride.

They go down soon, and first. (Dan11:41; Dan8:13-14; 1Pet4:17)

They are the final “body of apostasy” of the overall UN supporting “man of lawlessness” complex.


[QUOTE who=”AuldSoul1″]<quoted text>
Doctrinally imposed social ostracism is what made the turn to a cult.
They claim that their practice is modeled after first century Christianity, but a brief examination of 2 Corinthians shows plainly that ostracism was not REQUIRED and was only engaged in by a majority of the congregants, and that toward a man who had been engaging in such outrageous behavior that it was shocking even to the nations.
Further, in order to avoid considering ALL apostate thinking one would be required to avoid reading portions of the New Testament that contain apostate thinking. First century Christians did not have the same standards regarding the sharing of ideas and beliefs that Jehovah’s Witnesses have.
The groundwork was laid by the separation from society in general, from the early 1930’s onward. It was only a matter of time before that choice required enforcement in order for them to maintain control within the religion, enforcement in turn required judicial bodies, and appointments of those deemed worthy to judge.
They built upon their presumption that they were collectively supposed to be other than ordinary humans, that they were not like other people who are believing merely ordinary human ideas about the Bible, and in order to maintain that fundamental social delusion among themselves, the rest has followed of necessity.
Now they are most certainly a cult.[/QUOTE]

Yes, it took time for them to “lift themselves [ALONE] over every one” on earth, past, present and future. And they will “receive all the Lord’s belongings” in that they will rip off Bethel of billions of dollars for the globalist world government engineers, and they have been doing that the whole time.

It took time to do this, and it took the GB 1976 coup, and the overblown private corporate “judicial sovereignty” to protect them in power. THAT is why the “disfellowshipping” is active, to make sure NO ONE can even raise a suspicion the GB is Satanic globalist Masons and CIA/MI6 borne intel infiltrators, seated as the seed of Satan within the “temple” for ultimate blasphemy purposes.

Then they just secured in the UN NGO and pedophile paradise policies, to assure a divine judgment would be given them to sack the org, and cancel the JW ministry well premature of world government.

World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

The Bethel Inquisition also assures that above truth will not emerge in the now Satanic King North led apostasy as per Daniel 11:32a prophecy, not some “conspiracy theory”, but the way it is INSIDE of Satanist Bethel.

UN NGO and pedophiles are the earmarks of globalist elite organizations, and JW org, is also J (10), W (23) 33rd degree organization, all globalist intel owned and operated for the JW coup and capture attempt coming up:

Cancel the Ministry:

WT quote (WT 07/15/2015, pg. 16, par. 9):

9 This will not be the time to preach the “good news of the Kingdom.” That time will have passed. The time for “the end” will have come! (Matthew 24:14) No doubt God’s people will proclaim a hard-hitting judgment message. This may well involve a declaration announcing that Satan’s wicked world is about to come to its complete end.

And herd JWs to internment:

“”Elders who are reading this article can draw some useful conclusions from the account we have just considered:…

[And sandwiched into the admonishment:]

(3) At that time, the lifesaving direction that we receive from Jehovah’s organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint. All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not.

Obviously Bethel is planning to use the org, to herd JWs to capture.

Satan and the demons are IN the Governing Body.


[QUOTE who=”Supremeliberal”] Lots of people believe stuff ,but do not take the time ,to see what they believe in is truth ,the bible may be one of many account of Jesus,the Watchtower do have acess to any special document of sacred text than the average person on the internet ,the Roman kept record ,they would of had a historical account of Jesus death by crucifixion[/QUOTE]

They did not keep general execution records still available that are known. Remember 30 or 40 people were probably executed in Judea yearly. They had no idea Christ was a special case, and the word of the way did not go out for another 30 years of apostle preaching.

Jesus was just a regular Joe, no need for special Roman records other than the norm, which many have been lost from that period. Plus Christ did not become “famous” until well after the fact of his death, and even after the fall of Jerusalem 70 CE.

The fact is Jesus was no big deal to except around 3000 people in Jerusalem proper, and it took decades for them to spread the good news, so for much of the 1st century Jesus was nearly an unknown, and his explosive fame is a result of the holy spirit that he would not “go away”, and word of his truth spread global by action sanctioned by God as foretold.

(Habakkuk 2:14) . . .For the earth will be filled with the knowing of the glory of Jehovah as the waters themselves cover over [the] sea.

So in time, Jesus will be the global King and number 1 figure appointed by God to fill the earth with God’s knowledge.

33 Ce to today is just the first step.

Secondly finding any Roman execution records is now nearly impossible, especially for their whole reign all the way back to the 1st century.


“”The only example of mentioning the amount of executions that were performed that I can think of is when Crassus crucified 6,000 slaves along the Appian way at the close of the Gladiator War. “”

The Romans did indeed keep records, but so did Babylonians. But good luck finding those supposed records today, today it is all “hearsay”.

Thus Jesus not present in the Roman records, is because the “records” themselves are not present to even be checked in the first place. He was not Elvis Presly, as some peopel assume Christ was always as famous as he is today. In fact Christ was a “nobody” for decades after his death.

(Isaiah 53:2) . . .No stately form does he have, nor any splendor; and when we shall see him, there is not the appearance so that we should desire him.

But before too long, Christ went to the top of global fame, because of who he REALLY is and what he REALLY did. Now in retrospect of 2000 years of global expansion of the fame of Christ, people merely assume that is how ti was from day one. But that is not the case.

Here, Gamaliel notes some of these “other guys” who no one knows about today, and what would result with Christ “IF it is from God”**:

(Acts 5:33-40) When they heard this, they felt deeply cut and were wanting to do away with them. 34 But a certain man rose in the Sanhedrin, a Pharisee named Gamaliel, a Law teacher esteemed by all the people, and gave the command to put the men outside for a little while. 35 And he said to them:

“Men of Israel, pay attention to yourselves as to what you intend to do respecting these men. 36 For instance, before these days Theudas rose, saying he himself was somebody, and a number of men, about four hundred, joined his party. But he was done away with, and all those who were obeying him were dispersed and came to nothing. 37 After him Judas the Galilean rose in the days of the registration, and he drew off people after him. And yet that man perished, and all those who were obeying him were scattered abroad. 38 And so, under the present circumstances, I say to you, Do not meddle with these men, but let them alone; (because, if this scheme or this work is from men, it will be overthrown;

**39 but if it is from God, you will not be able to overthrow them;) otherwise, you may perhaps be found fighters actually against God.”

40 At this they gave heed to him, and they summoned the apostles, flogged them, and ordered them to stop speaking upon the basis of Jesus’ name, and let them go.


[QUOTE who=”AuldSoul1”]

They have NEVER had the truth. From the very first issue of Zion’s Watch Tower until today, they have always mingled what the Bible actually teaches in with loads of human conjecture about what is written, but not explained, in the Bible.

here is my concern. Yes Bethel is a UN allied 666 apostate system, I am not defending them under GB post 1976 override. BUT here is the pickle.

What is worse, being wrong on many things in premature expectations, or saying absolutely nothing of post Roman note, like most of Christendom, as both are now drifting silently into the 666?

Why is it YouTube style, “lone wolf” offshoot “crazy preachers” are the only ones who seem to understand world government is on the way?

So what is worse, giving it a shot and being wrong, or doing absolutely nothing with the Mina?

Now imo, Bethel is going down as 666 UN NGO supporters, but it seems Christendom is already there, spiritually, far worse off, than even the worst it can case get at Bethel.

What is the solution?

It seems Christians have been checkmated by ALL of the Satanic overrides, or error and catatonia. Either way, it is a pickle.

Now the trap can be sprung on a sleeping, divided, clueless “house”.

[QUOTE who=”billy”]<quoted text>
“From time to time, there have arisen from among the ranks of Jehovah’s people those, who, like the original Satan, have adopted an independent, faultfinding attitude. They say that it is sufficient to read the Bible exclusively, either alone or in small groups at home. But, strangely, through such ‘Bible reading,’ they have reverted right back to the apostate doctrines that commentaries by Christendom’s clergy were teaching 100 years ago.” (WT, 8/15/81).


The PROBLEM is when there are plenty of ACTUAL FAULTS to “find”, like the UN NGO, pedophile farming of victims, and the shunning coercion device to keep the victims in the “happy Bethel hunting grounds”, then some people naturally start to investigate the apostate, child abuse aiding, UN allied crooks, at Bethel.

Then “thinking Christians” in the Bethel flock, FEEL COMPELLED to better check the very scriptures Bethel is using to justify lawlessness, by many Bethel “laws”, designed to “keep the congregation clean”, that instead infect it with every sort of spiritual “venereal” disease, literal (like pedophile protection policies) or spiritual (like the UN NGO).

And if some one discovered this that had the power in the WTS, they would FIRE THE GB ON HOT RAILS TO HADES, the next day. But a consensus cannot form in the Bethel “powers that be”, because?

No one checks the Bible, for fear of coercive repercussion of Bethel’s judiciary from the top, down to the KH level.

Thus, the purpose of discouraging INDEPENDENT thinking ability, and attention to apostate propehcy and parable and principles of final apostate lawlessness (Dan11:32a at Bethel), such as that in the Bethel GB system, is to PROTECT THE CRIMINALS at Bethel, and to MINIMIZE THE CHANCES of their mass exposure, until it is?

TOO LATE. (Dan8:13-14)


Good points.

It is trying to weasel itself in as if “overlooked” inspired scripture, as if God will miss something men can catch later. It creates a distraction to areas that can further mislead.

Now as an example, if we know world government will in time complete in Revelation 17:8-18 final events (Dan11:45; Dan12:11), and we know Satan has primed Christian religions to acclimate their followers for that 666 “one hour” (Rev17:12), to in time bring it in, as if it was always there, then we can see what the Urantia Book is also aiding the process of:

If you read that page’s sections 1-6, it is a “new world order” primer in condensed form that covers some known key aspects of world government implementation, such as the use of world war to undermine national sovereignty into globalized world union, and how that promotes eventual world government acceptability.

I did not want to “hi-jack” the subject you brought up with the Book of Enoch, I just wanted to give another example of how “books” that try to weasel in later, always have a demonic reason as to why they attempt to do this.

In the case of Urantia, (and certain Zeitgeist Movement principles, as another example of this “bait and switch” technique), the “Utopia” they picture, is actually the Satanic counterfeit that comes in first, under that decoy cloak as if “God’s Kingdom”. It is just interesting how these things are really priming people for the NWO, under cover of divine or enlightened understanding.

Now how does that relate to the angelic interest? Imo, it relates to the whole idea of space, angels, aliens, super-technology, etc and that whole other area of priming for events to appear as if the “arrival of Christ”, (or “arrival of aliens” (for that sector of global delusion)), to also acclimate humans for the Satanic super-natural manifestation that will emerge also first (Eze38:7), as Satan must present his decoys first, as if the real thing, where he plays God himself in the ultimate decoy arrangement, he plays “Christ” as well, and his demons play the part of the “holy angels”. (And they do it to also give world government credibility for the misled.)

And that is why Satan utilizes heavily pre-programmed premature expectation, to present his own decoy system, first, from the top, to human world government bottom, under the veneer of well expected expectations of prophecy, or super-natural “encounters”, etc, etc.

Satan is priming mankind for his own “arrival”, imo, and that first, to complete the whole decoy effect to sell the 666 World Government as if “God’s Kingdom on earth”, backed by all converging globally seen super natural events, well anticipated by books, movies and cultural themes in these areas, pre-programmed well before he manifests the full hoax of the future.

It is all working as one global symphonic mix of “predictive programming”, in all sectors of the target global human audience, for the big climax of the global hoax of the future. All the parts, have a role in human mental conditioning for maximum expectations, that Satan can cloak within, in many ways, to sell the same manifestation, to many people, at the same time, by various deceptive programming sectors, that will then reach full fruition and function of the actual Satanic global-purpose of global climax deception finale period.

But this sector that emerges heavily from the entertainment industry (as well as these “spiritual” counterparts), is designed for the searchers out there. And although the complex affects all people in these advanced societies (in some manner), its theme is as old as Babel. And it has “establishment” societal and political, and philosophical counterparts, that even if they seemingly differ in import, they all are promoting the same thing in the end: world government and control of human beings by “higher powers”, no matter how they manifest in the progression to the finale sovereign oppression of a final global governance.

The whole thing is being used and arranged to promote “new world order” progress, one way, or another.

[QUOTE=SingleCell;14376]I absolutely agree 4winds!

The alien / False Messiah / False Christ / False Kingdom / technology overcoming death hoax is well developed now.

Secular humanism and atheism will translate into a ‘religious’ revival inclined toward the false ‘peace’ under the 8th king and whatever deceptive mechanisms are used to sell it.

The end of it will be judgment by fire.

The ignorant have been primed through popular entertainment. The knowledgeable have been primed through Zeitgeist-esque lies.[/QUOTE]

And in the meantime, between now, and to the real “peace and security” statement of world government in full, and then to the global-judgment, is the FULL HOAX main global-opportunity.

Now they can deploy the full hoax by use of a purposely designed “peace and security” decoy statement, that devolves instead, into 7th King downfall global crisis “sword stroke” (tribulation of those days”; US financial crash, etc), that then “heals” (Rev13:3) and “ascends” (Rev17:8-12) into the full 8th King world government reality of the eventual real “peace and security” sovereign statement (1Thess5:1-3) of UN World Government “world peace”, several years down the road.

Then they can sell that 8th King as if it is God’s Kingdom.

But for now JWs are subject to this hoax, as is all Christendom, by use of a potential fake “peace and security” statement soon to emerge, if that develops in this speculation, please bear with me.

In any event, JWs are NOW TOTALLY susceptible to the 2 Thessalonians 2:1-2 premature “end of the world” delusion because:

1. Bethel will not summarize the fact the 7th King fall (Dan11:42-43) is required to enable the full 8th King rise into full world government; much more has yet to take place.

2. Bethel is heavily promoting a premature “the end” delusion to JWs, to sell their own WTBTS corporate coup within (Dan8:13-14 as Dan11:41), as well as to promote the JW “doomsday” [impression], for future use, for other purposes.

So Bethel, is helping the HOAX SET UP (among JWs), to [attempt] to sell the “7th head” coming “global-sword stroke” (Rev13:3), to result in a global crisis then a “global-healing” into world government (Rev17:8-12; Dan11:41-45), as if it is “the end”. Then JWs can accept the global-recovery healing and its 8th King NWO World Government over these final years, IF Bethel’s hoaxsters remained in power.

But in time of Bethel downfall (Dan11:41), God will toss His own “monkey wrench” into the gears of this now more obvious JW global trap. (Isa66:6; Dan8:13-14; Zech3:4-5) In so doing, the world, actually also in the same trap, can,  in time, get a full warning as to how the trap actually is working. (Rev10-11:1-7)

The whole purpose of the premature “the end” expectation to aid this HOAX, was to set a global mind set of “doomsday”, that miraculously heals into instead, the most hopeful period of 8th King World Government potential Global-Utopia in all human history. And the more doomful the global crisis appears “AS IF slaughtered to death”, the more hopeful will be the 8th King “global savior”, “just in the nick of time”, “solution”, save of the world system by World Government. (Isa41:1 cycle)

And in that global recovery of great wealth power (Dan11:42-43 purpose met) and great global “admiration” (Rev13:3; Rev17:8) is how they bribe mankind (Rev13:15-18), to accept world government, by INSTEAD great hope, which the “doomsday effect” merely aided when it turned around into global recovery as not expected, but it will be a “pleasant surprise” of global proportions to effect that “admiration” of the wildbeast world government in Revelation 13:3 parallel Revelation 17:8-12.

When Bethel starts to go down, JWs will think it is “the end”, but “the end” will not arrive quite as soon as expected. Instead, the world system proceeds to world government, while Bethel’s was sacked in it’s own “the end”, first. (1Pet4:17) The purpose was to cancel the JW ministry, depose the resource base (Dan8:11), and derail JWs, and just toss them like Jonah, overboard and into the greatest global-crisis of human history, without a clue as to prophetic reality. (Dan8:13-14)

But in time after discipline, for purification (Zech3:4-5) of temple judgment then completed (Dan8:14), God will recover the JWs he can. But a great global signal will be formed. (And that is not dependent on them using that “peace and security” decoy, as speculated above, in any event Bethel must fall to start the final cycle to world government, and they are duping JWs with expectation of “the end” too soon. (for example, it is also in the “expect Dan11:44 next brothers!” and “Gog attack brothers” hype)


(2 Thessalonians 2:1-3) However, brothers, respecting the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we request of you 2 not to be quickly shaken from your reason nor to be excited either through an inspired expression or through a verbal message or through a letter as though from us, to the effect that the day of Jehovah is here. (way too soon)

In reality Bethel apostasy ahs to be revealed in this overall precursor judgment process, first:

3 Let no one seduce you in any manner, because it (the real “day” of “the end”) will not come unless the apostasy comes first…


One more very interesting Michael the Archangel unique connection to Jesus Christ, “angel of the covenant” and temple authority.

(Jude 9) But when Michael the archangel had a difference with the Devil and was disputing about Moses’ body, he did not dare to bring a judgment against him in abusive terms, but said: “May Jehovah REBUKE you.”

Now the only other direct rebuke of Satan is here at the temple inspection verdict:

(Zechariah 3:1-3) And he proceeded to show me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of Jehovah, and Satan standing at his right hand in order to resist him. 2 Then [the angel of] Jehovah said to Satan: “Jehovah REBUKE you, O Satan, yes, Jehovah REBUKE you, he who is choosing Jerusalem! Is this one not a log snatched out of the fire?” 3 Now as for Joshua, he happened to be clothed in befouled garments and standing before the angel.

Only Christ states those rebukes, in this connection that he is the one that removes those “befouled garments” in the coming temple judgment, in Zechariah 3:4-5, of this repeating parallel prophecy of Malachi 3:1-5 temple judgment:

(Malachi 3:1-2) “Look! I am sending my messenger, and he must clear up a way before me. And suddenly there will come to His temple the [true] Lord, whom you people are seeking, and the messenger of the covenant in whom you are delighting. Look! He will certainly come,” Jehovah of armies has said. 2 “But who will be putting up with the day of his coming, and who will be the one standing when he appears? For he will be like the fire of a refiner and like the lye of laundrymen.

And that brings about the “right condition” of Daniel 8:14, and this fulfillment in the future:

(Zechariah 3:4) . . .Then he answered and said to those standing before him: “Remove the befouled garments from upon him.” And he went on to say to him: “See, I have caused your error to pass away from upon you, and there is a clothing of you with robes of state.”

Jesus Christ does all of that “rebuke” for God.

All those “angels” in the above, are the same person: Jesus Christ in spirit form as High Priest and temple authority against Satan’s activity “in the temple” befouling it as per 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12, now present at apostate UN allied Bethel.

Now Revelation 9 “Destroyer” is that same “angel” when he commences the temple judgment of Revelation 8, for the Revelation 9 purified recovery it will be, and in purification is accounting the temple trespassing “lawless one” now at Bethel, as they try to flee the “angel of the covenant”. Christ in temple judgment cleans the temple out, of the “den of thieves” at Bethel, well before the total end, for a global sign, to be told as Revelation 9 merges into Revelation 10 and into the final eventual warning of Revelation 11:1-7, effected by this purification, carried out by God, by Christ.

It is all the same person in those scriptures rebuking Satan, THREE TIMES, for emphasis.

Revelation 9 – “The Destroyer” and Temple Judgment

Events on Bethel, and Daniel 8:13-14 3.19 year minimum “trampling” timing on apostate Bethel, will prove this true after the fact:

Timed Temple Judgment of Jehovah’s Witnesses – Daniel 8:13-14

Daniel 8:13-14 Details the Coming Temple Judgment of Jehovah’s Witnesses


[QUOTE who=”Lordylordy9111″]GB Bro Jackson is definitely security for intelligence apparatus. Its not about Truth ONLY about secrets.[/QUOTE]

Yep. They have the same DNA, at the crime scene. It all IDs as King North, “in the temple”, in the Bethel CSI final outcome the Christ Detective already has nailed, but will expose in time, at global scale, and he will render the verdict on some of them first, back at their home KN roost, and en route, and “in the temple”, for a signal to King North boys:

(Isaiah 31:9) . . .And his (KN Assyrian) own crag (Bethel nook) will pass away out of sheer fright, and because of THE SIGNAL his princes must be terrified,” is the utterance of Jehovah, whose light is in Zion and whose furnace is in Jerusalem.

They are getting the warning, they go into the furnace, in time, as well. But even from among them, repentance and surrender to Christ is offered, as Jonah did reach Nineveh. Not that all KN will repent, but that some “in Nineveh” will catch on from this SUPERNATURAL signal.

But we can expect some of these guys to be vaporized, “in the temple”, when time comes for full purification after 3 years of “evening” accounting has expired. (Dan8:13-14)

The GB is pretty well DOOMED. But God makes the call, imo, they are ALL globalist intel and drones.

Can you imagine what will happen in the WTS and Bethel network, when that angel starts to REALLY go after them in covert manner? They will freak, because they do not know who gets what response, because like in Hosea 1:4-7, a few survivors went back with the king of Assyria when they got their little “signal” at Isaiah 37:36:

(Isaiah 10:19) And the rest of the trees of his forest—they will become such a number that a mere boy will be able to write them down.

Meaning the anti-Jerusalem ops.

(Zechariah 3:2) 2 Then [the angel of] Jehovah said to Satan: “Jehovah rebuke you, O Satan, yes, Jehovah rebuke you, he who is choosing Jerusalem! Is this one not a log snatched out of the fire?”

The log comes out of the fire, the temple termites stay in it.

God gives them fair warning, in time they get the message, BEFORE the angels in the night come hunting them up from their “deep place” “outside the city”:

(Zechariah 1:8) I saw [in] the night, and, look! a man riding on a red horse, and he was standing still among the myrtle trees that were in the deep place; and behind him there were horses red, bright red, and white.

(Zechariah 9:8) And I will encamp as an outpost for my house, so that there will be no one passing through and no one returning; and there will no more pass through them a taskmaster, for now I have seen [it] with my eyes.

Bethel is so infested it will take angels of God to effect the purification, it will take a “miracle”, and that is what it will be, a “log snatched” from a very real “fire” coming up to full blown. They will be turned back, when they try to go out for global “Jerusalem”.

But Bethel is given to them:

(Hosea 1:4) …I must cause the royal rule of the house of Israel to cease. . .(Isa28)

(Hosea 1:6-7) …for I shall no more show mercy again to the house of Israel, because I shall positively take them away. 7 But to the house of Judah I shall show mercy (Zech3:2), and I will save them by Jehovah their God; but I shall not save them by a bow or by a sword or by war, by horses or by horsemen.


Interesting, sometimes the basic principle is right there all along.

Although I know the 666 is eventual worship of “scarlet wild bast” world government, when in final form of global assessment (Rev14:9-11; Rev13:15-18), there is a base principle of the “wild beast” symbol. It is first off, PREDATORY.

The “wild beast” is in basic nature predatory.

So a basic trait of the 666 “mark”, is predatory traits of humans who prey on other humans, just like the wild beast core trait, and the traits promoted by the first things you listed that back the predatory human attitude, found in some, not all.

Of course predatory attitude, disobeys all commandments of God. But people can resolve to repent, and appeal to God to help control, and “deaden” those predatory attitudes.

People remaining predatory, will not make the final cut.

But because Christ himself finishes his own ministry (Rev14:6-7) in Revelation 14 post Christ arrival final sequence, when world government is complete and functioning as global sovereign (Rev14:9-11), as Babylon the Great is also present and stated as fallen (Rev14:8) in that sequence, even people naturally “loving their neighbor”, yet not knowing Christ but in live and real-time form, can also be saved “in the day” God judges the “secret things of mankind” in that Revelation 14 final sequence of the Matthew 25:31-46 parallel judgment:

(Romans 2:12-16) . . .For instance, all those who sinned without law will also perish without law; but all those who sinned under law will be judged by law. 13 For the hearers of law are not the ones righteous before God, but the doers of law will be declared righteous. 14 For whenever people of the nations that do not have law do by nature the things of the law, these people, although not having law, are a law to themselves. 15 They are the VERY ONES who demonstrate the matter of the law to be written in their hearts, while their conscience is bearing witness with them and, between their own thoughts, they are being accused or even excused. 16 This will be in the day when God through Christ Jesus judges the secret things of mankind, according to the good news I declare.

Non-predatory people, who become believers on the spot due to the supernatural nature of that time, can be “excused” for Revelation 14:14-16 salvation, under Christ total global judgment.

World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

All the [sequential] timed periods in this final cycle of

1. Daniel 8:14 (temple judgment; 1150 or 2300 days; Rev8-10),

2. Daniel 12:7 (Rev11:2-3; 13:5-7; Rev12:14; Dan7:25 cross reference timed 1260 days; Rev11:1-10) and

3. Daniel 12:11 1290 days are ALL OPEN FOR SALVATION, even after Christ arrives in Daniel 12:11, as Revelation 14 final full sequence. (Rev11:11-12)

Those timed periods span Revelation 8-11 final cycle fulfillment.

Temple Judgment to World Government to Christ Arrival


[QUOTE who=”sidgi”]<quoted text>
And yet, Paul and John didn’t go anywhere. Is that what going to heaven is all about? Because that is what we’ve been saying all along.[/QUOTE]

No, what to learn is GOD KNOWS. Not us. Everything else will get clearer when the ride begins. Ticka, ticka, ticka, ticka, ticka, the roller coaster is about to begin. Fasten your seat belt, there is no getting off the ride now.

In the ups and downs coming for some years, the entire corporate Christian complex of premature prophecy will fail before the ride ends into world government. And what has not evaporated (Rev16:12) or just left, will be told world government and its 666, is “God’s Kingdom on earth” and “salvation”, the die-hards will be led to 666, by the final carrot: the physical nation of Israel.

But many people will have to experience the “Colossus” Global Roller Coaster ride, for a few dips, until they start to catch on what is really going on.

[QUOTE who=”imagoodboy”]<quoted text>
Hey Bethelman!
Trying to sort out the angels?
That angel of the abyss (fallen angel) has some pretty nasty critter under him, that destroy, bit like the man of lawlessness, the son of destruction who is influenced by the original Man slayer Satan the devil! It seems this one has the control of the wild beast that comes out of the abyss too, that draws people to destruction! I don’t think that angel is a very good angel at all!
But everyone is welcome to their opinion!

Locusts are always used by God, for truth purposes. They are approved anointed Christians to emerge from the Bethel judgment, respecting the original pattern previously explained by former anointed Christians that use the Jehovah’s witnesses ministerial means, now subverted again, and hence in need of a final temple judgment cycle.

“Locusts” always come from God, to do his will.

(Joel 2:11) . . .And Jehovah himself will certainly give forth his voice before his military force, for his camp is very numerous. For he who is carrying out his word is mighty; for the day of Jehovah is great and very fear-inspiring, and who can hold up under it?”

God does not give forth his voice, His Word, to the enemy system, or to anything but anointed Christians that come through this final judgment cycle, as Revelation 9, leads to Christ arrival of Revelation 10, to 11:11-12.

Abaddon/Apollyon judges BOTH “Jews” and “Gentiles”, and God recognizes only ONE “King” as appointed by him, Christ. Satan is NEVER called a “king”.

(Revelation 9:11) . . .They have over them a king, the angel of the abyss. In Hebrew his name is Abaddon, but in Greek he has the name Apollyon.

And the “key” of the “pit of the abyss” is Christ authority to end the temple judgment desolation “evening” of Daniel 8:13-14 “trampling” to emerge to the same light in Revelation 9 abyss opening, as the “morning” recovery and enlightenment phase of Daniel 8:13-14:

(Revelation 9:1-2) And the fifth angel blew his trumpet. And I saw a star that had fallen from heaven to the earth, and the key of the pit of the abyss was given him. 2 And he opened the pit of the abyss, and smoke ascended out of the pit as the smoke of a great furnace, and the sun was darkened, also the air, by the smoke of the pit.

The “smoke” (Zech3:2), is that the whole world will see the apostate Bethel coming temple judgment “trampling” of Daniel 8:13, as Daniel 11:41, as a global sign the final cycle has begun as 1 Peter 4:17:

(Isaiah 28:18-19) And your covenant with Death will certainly be dissolved, and that vision of yours with Sheol will not stand. The overflowing flash flood, when it passes through—you must also become for it a trampling place. 19 As often as it passes through, it will take you men away, because morning by morning it will pass through, during the day and during the night; and it must become nothing but a reason for quaking TO MAKE OTHERS UNDERSTAND what has been heard.” (Dan11:41; Dan8:13-14)

Locusts, approved anointed Christians coming out of this period of temple judgment, will carry forth the whole final enlightenment exposure of Bethel apostasy, and news of the world government meaning that will have yet to complete.

World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

And that is why apostate UN NGO Bethel is removed first, and then fully exposed for who they are.

Temple Judgment to World Government to Christ Arrival


[QUOTE who=”Lordylordy9111″]God brought judgment on His house first (1 Peter 4:17) but he punished Egypt at the same time for helping Israel apostates (Isaiah 31:2). Its back-to-back. [/QUOTE]


Yes, the US “Egypt”, really the whole “old world order” also has hell to pay, but it is for a wake up call:

(Haggai 2:7) . . .“‘And I will rock all the nations, and the desirable things of all the nations must come in; and I will fill this house with glory,’ Jehovah of armies has said.

But the example coming on the US and EU, will be of “Biblical proportions” to define the first four plagues gone global, as also a signal of divine judgment brewing, with the purpose of waking up many people to repentance, not destroying Egypt, just making HE, King South, a SHE, as if “Queen South” totally financially subservient to King North globalizers:

(Daniel 11:42-43) And he will keep thrusting out his hand against the lands; and as regards the land of Egypt, SHE will not prove to be an escapee. 43 And he will actually rule over the hidden treasures of the gold and the silver and over all the desirable things of Egypt.

(Daniel 11:42-43)

And he

(8th King/King North)

will keep thrusting out his hand against the


lands; and as regards the land of Egypt

(collective national powers; King South “capital”),


(feminized King South)

will not prove to be an escapee.

(captured by globalist power intrigues of first a financial nature:)

43 And he

(King North/8th King)

will actually rule over the hidden treasures


of the gold and the silver and over all the desirable things of Egypt.

(Thus 8th King/King North rules the world wealth, wealth system and all “desirable things” of collective global national “Egypt” “King South” powers in full globalist progressive ownership);




Now for Egypt:

(Jeremiah 46:11) “Go up to Gilead and get some balsam, O virgin daughter of Egypt. In vain you have multiplied the means of healing. There is no mending for you.

But in time there is a spiritual healing for many:

(Isaiah 19:22) And Jehovah will certainly deal Egypt a blow. There will be a dealing of a blow and a healing; and they must return to Jehovah, and he must let himself be entreated by them and must heal them.

But as per Revealtion 13:3, King North will also be “healing” Egypt, in subservience, as well for global recovery:

(Isaiah 41:1) “Attend to me in silence, you islands; and let national groups themselves regain power. Let them approach. At that time let them speak. Let us come up close together for the judgment itself.

And everything after Isaiah 41:1, in Isaiah 41, “come up close together for the judgment itself”, is the global judgment parallel all this wake up call, will be warning of.

(Isaiah 41:2) . . .Who has roused up [someone] from the sunrise? [Who] proceeded in righteousness to call him to His feet, to give before him the nations, and to make [him] go subduing even kings? [Who] kept giving [them] like dust to his sword, so that they have been driven about like mere stubble with his bow?

(Isaiah 41:4-5) . . .“I, Jehovah, the First One; and with the last ones I am the same.” 5 The islands saw and began to fear. The very extremities of the earth began trembling. They drew near and kept coming.

(Isaiah 41:8-10) . . .“But you, O Israel, are my servant, you, O Jacob, whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham my friend; 9 you, whom I have taken hold of from the extremities of the earth, and you, whom I have called even from the remote parts of it. And so I said to you, ‘You are my servant; I have chosen you, and I have not rejected you. 10 Do not be afraid, for I am with you. Do not gaze about, for I am your God. I will fortify you. I will really help you. I will really keep fast hold of you with my right hand of righteousness.’

(Isaiah 41:17) . . .“The afflicted ones and the poor ones are seeking for water, but there is none. Because of thirst their very tongue has become dry. I myself, Jehovah, shall answer them. . . .

(Isaiah 41:21) 21 “Bring YOUR controversial case forward,” says Jehovah. “Produce YOUR arguments,” . . .

(Isaiah 41:29) . . .Look! All of them are something nonexistent. Their works are nothing. Their molten images (disgusting thing) are wind and unreality.


Celebrities Related to Royalty

All the US Presidents but Van Buren also trace to the “Black Nobility” somewhere in their connection to one King of England.

Is ruling in the genes? All presidents bar one are directly descended from a medieval English king

[12-year-old girl created family tree linking 42 of 43 U.S. presidents to King John of England, who signed Magna Carta in 1215]

Are we getting “the picture” here yet? lol


[QUOTE who=”jace”]<quoted text>
I understand your point
But. Think you are reaching
This is just another corporation. On a long line of corporations and individuals that gave presented themselves in public one way and thru forced legal action has been shown to be something
Different privately
I have former Jehovah’s Witnesses buddies just like you
They like You –want to make this some big satanic and god showdown
When in fact it’s just– the old same old same old
Folks hoodwinking and bamboozling others folks

Corporations are a fundamental building block of world government, so they are indeed legally significant as bound to financial ownership, and ownership that can CHANGE very quickly.

For example, “THE CORPORATION OF THE UNITED STATES” is also “just another corporation”. But by debt and martial “security” activity accelerating after the Cold War (and GWOT), marked by that “New World Order” 3rd UN presentation 1990, en route to what they stated, world government, the US corporation, also known as “the government” will also be folded into the GLOBAL CORPORATION of world government.

The bricks in the pyramid are all corporate cells that can be controlled by the “old world order” monetary model. But in time it must all shift under the NWO global monetary model, how ever it is they continue this transition.

Now whether as prophecy or developmental history of global governance, that WTBTS corporation had interests within it that [used to be] explaining the League of Nations basic theme and purpose as the nucleus of the New World Order, which the US CORPORATION did not adjoin to, until the United Nations base WW2 allied forces dovetailed into their UN membership.

Thus join the US Corp, to the UN was significant and the WTBTS had a theme of tracking this entity to world government as it’s base nucleus grew internationally. Now a nation does not just “join the UN”, they consent to an international law model, designed to align their corporate and economic, monetary system into a globalizing model.

Thus when the UN “New World Order” initiative continued on in the trajectory to world government that the League of Nations began, it was the most significant UN event of them all, in reality, because Russia and China, India and others all scrapped their “socialist” economic models for participation in the globalizing-capitalist model. They all contributed billions of people, and trillions of dollars to the corporate goals which the UN just lays out the political networking of, for international law governed globalized capitalism, to complete with globalization in to?


Now by the WTBTS becoming UN NGO corporate partner with the WILDBEAST CORPORATE BODY, [RATHER THAN] continue the tracking and explanation in more modern understandable terms, that is how we know this now doomed “organization” of the WTBTS corporation, has SOLD OUT into this globalization pantheon of corporations.

So their incorporation into the UN NGO model, that emerged after 1990 for “grass roots” UN wildbeast global information penetration, to align the small fries with psychological influence all over the world, into the WILDBEAST CORPORATION, in the same manner as the nations were “gathered” into (Rev16:13-16) that same entity, as the UN NGO will have more and more agreements those orgs must meet, is why, though “disassociated” by the UN, the WTBTS sell out is of great significance.

Now no one is kept up to date on UN prophecy, UN1-2-3, and globalization progress towards FOURTH STEP, UN1-2-3-4 world government, that merely requires the final global crisis cycle to make the EU and US governmental corporate complex, fully financially and politically subservient to WORLD GOVERNMENT.

Now when they crash the US financial system, and the EU, and Russia and China are already “on board” at the top, that can re-emerge (Rev17:8-12; Rev11:7) as a true GLOBAL CORPORATION of WORLD GOVERNMENT. The 7th King merely needed to FALL to allow 8th King RISE.

And at the post 1990 to information expansion on globalism studies, when this could now be all explained, UN-Bethel, a globalist corporation, plays dumb, and instead has created a premature “the end of the world” delusion for JWs, to also crash Bethel (Dan11:41) into full NWO alignment and most importantly Daniel 11:42-43 King North 8th King ownership.

Ever wonder why Bethel NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER IDs “King North” at the very time it is obvious WORLD GOVERNMENT final progression of UN3 (1990) to UN4 (future)?

BECAUSE they are “in on it”. (Dan11:30-32a; Dan8:11-12)

Ever wonder why Bethel would adjoin a UN designed for “non-governmental organizations”?

To ENSURE a doom on the JW org, a divine judgment.

It is all real, and due to lack of awareness and weekly research into global affairs, many people are totally asleep, like JWs, to this global development, as Bethel merely plays their “pea in a wildbeast pod” role in keeping JWs [and their audience” ASLEEP.

All a big coincidence?


So keep you EYE on “all seeing JW eye” Bethel. (Dan8:13-14 as Dan11:41 comes on them, as fully planned and arranged to attempt to herd JWs fully into NWO wildbeast world government, and crash their system, just like the US one, to do it.


[QUOTE who=”Guy Noir”]Since it is not illigal to invest in hedge funds, what is your beef? It is obvious you have an agenda to tear down and destroy. Satan has an agenda also. RULE OR RUIN.[/QUOTE]

It is not illegal, I am just stating where Bethel billions are being, and will be, channeled out, as the same mechanism will also be used to loot the US and EU nations. It is not the only scam in town, but it is the biggest one in town:

Derivatives: The Unregulated Global Casino for Banks: 3D Visualization of Global Derivatives Scale

Five Banks Account For 96% of $250 Trillion in Outstanding US Derivative Exposure
Morgan Stanley Sitting On An FX Derivative Time Bomb?

So in theory that is where Bethel shuttles this last 5 years couple billion globally in JW liquidated properties. It is in theory, as they say “already gone” as we speak. JWs just find out about it later. (But because it is “the end of the world” to delude JWs, they will not think about it then, and for quite some time)

Internal Bethel, to generalize, is a CIA type model internal intelligence subversion and theft operation. (Dan11:32a; Dan8:11-14)

JW Org—CIA Run Intel Coup Now

It is generalized, because the entire global corporate complex is global intel run anyways, easily verifiable with a little research, Bethel is just one of the eggs in the overall King North/8th King intel nest.

Bethel is a classic espionage like INFILTRATION. Hence Daniel 11:32a, tells us who really runs Bethel internally: KING NORTH GLOBALISTS. (also Dan8:12, is a subversion prophecy)

The hedges and derivatives elite global-super-system are where all the global “eggs” are gathered, and where the meltdown will be controlled and contained for global monopoly of that sector of world government authority.

It is THAT big globally. A Quadrillion.

Big Risk: $1.2 Quadrillion Derivatives Market Dwarfs World GDP

And that is why hedges are all “legal”, to channel global wealth, legally, to the final owners as Daniel 11:42-43, in the players big enough to get into that casino.

The world, in general, has no idea this all mushroomed since 2008. They are as asleep as JWs, who also “take no note” of the scale of global change that has occurred since 911, and 2008 Global Credit Crisis.

They spring the trap on a sleeping world in general, and JWs in specific. None of them will be happy campers when they get the real “ice bucket” “wake up call” of the near future. JWs will be bewildered WORSE than the average man, because they have a Bethel engineered “the end” to worry about, but it is the main apostate delusion of 2 Thess2:1-2.


[QUOTE who=”Postit”]Jace has a thread about a Washington Post article talking about the Watchtower pedophile problem in Australia. After reading an article like that, I wonder how can JW not in tears about the Watchtower. I am not a JW but reading this article almost made want to puke. A JW dad sexually assaulted. His own daughter while quoting![/QUOTE]

Some JWs are in tears. And it is like losing a “dear relative” to sudden death. It takes time for JWs to come to grips that the GB is dead.

So shock, turns to denial, tears, this and that, etc, etc, then the realization dawns on people. The ministry is ruined, and it is done for this phase, just a matter of GB autopsy, to find out why they died, and to bury that sorry carcass of corporate outlaws “set in opposition” to God. (2Thess1:4)

But the GB will tell JWs it is the world that is ending, not themselves. It is all just nerves now.

Just a matter of time now, before the stink of the bloated GB requires divine burial. Just a matter of time.

[QUOTE who=”Aneirin”]<quoted text>
So you are a lying slanderer making such accusations with no proof.
Do you know how you say your name “slanderer” in Greek?
slanderer = satan
You speak the same way as your father speaks.[/QUOTE]

Now you sound like the church clerics, who when confronted with 1200 years of evidence, it is not enough for them. Bethel has a publicly known United Nations of Non-Governmental Organizations partnership under their belt.

And they even approve calling themselves rather than Messianic Kingdom “ambassadors substituting for Christ” the blasphemously claim to be “non” Kingdom.

Now you have the shunning and coercion to keep child abuse victims as prey, fully revealed in but one case study of two victims of thousands upon thousands now being beaten “in the JW org”.

So enough will never be enough, and that is why God will allow Bethel to be invaded as Daniel 11:41, and trampled as per Daniel 8:13 temple judgment, because in no way does God approve of a fictional “Governing Body” also replacing Christ as commander of the ministry.

They will sell those events to you as Daniel 11:44, btw, and “Gog attack” and “it is simply the end, we can now CANCEL the JW ministry”.

And God will allow it, because it is already too profaned and has been rejected, and only sacking the org, and realizing “the end” does not come as soon as expected, can JWs be woken up from this modern apostate coma, led by Bethel.

The evidence is overwhelming in why God cannot accept that apostasy any longer. Make a mental note, soon this will go beyond these words, to the words of God by Daniel as Daniel 11:41 and Daniel 8:13-14 as Zechariah 3:4-5 purification, now required due to Bethel led lawlessness.

It is what it is. 1914-1919 ministry will be preserved as its theme repeats, en route not to the League of Nations, but to world government, it is the “first witness” of the “two witnesses”. What comes from the Bethel sacking is the final witness of all time.

The end of the Bethel apostasy, is the BEGINNING (1Peter4:17) of the final global judgment cycle.

I think many miss the point by these cultish work arounds.

God has a PERSONAL name that is Jehovah, God Almighty.

It is different than the name of his Son, who also has a PERSONAL name Jesus the Christ of Jehovah.

Thus they are two separate persons.

And that is why knowing God’s name, helps dispel myths such as a “trinity” thing. Satan had God’s name removed from the Bible, for it conflicted with the logic of the trinity god of some of the churches.

It is a Cult of Trinity and following the human priests who engineered the myth.

So then people get into spellings, and more loop holes to avoid the Satan inside of the Trinity, which is the next step of basic logic as to why it is in there in his cults of Xtianity.

It is so important of a name and logic tied into it’s reality, that God allowed Jehovah’s witnesses to carry it.

Now as proof of God being there in that furthest reaching ministry so far, just watch what he does for Bethel profaning God’s Name Jehovah when the joined the United Nations of Non-Government Organizations, a UN of grass roots supporters.

Just watch how God sanctifies his own name JEHOVAH, that Bethel and the GB have drug through the mire.

Then the nations will know Jehovah is his name, whether they accept it or not, because He will cleanse his name in the fires of Bethel, and cleanse His people in that temple judgment:

(Ezekiel 36:22-23) “Therefore say to the house of Israel, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said: “Not for your sakes am I doing [it], O house of Israel, but for my holy name, which you have profaned among the nations where you have come in.”’ 23 ‘And I shall certainly sanctify my great name, which was being profaned among the nations, which you profaned in the midst of them; and the nations will have to know that I am Jehovah,’ is the utterance of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah, ‘when I am sanctified among you before their eyes.

The end of Bethel UN allied apostasy, is the START of the final global judgment cycle:

(1 Peter 4:17) . . .For it is the appointed time for the judgment to start with the house of God. Now if it starts first with us, what will the end be of those who are not obedient to the good news of God?

And to effect some global repentance, people will have to ask themselves that very question.

Isaiah 28 comes on Bethel, as Daniel 11:41 and Daniel 8:13-14 for the GLOBAL SIGNAL it will be, and affirmation as to why God cleanses His Name JEHOVAH in the midst of that corporate anti-WTBTS GLOBAL “flood” and conflagration.

(Isaiah 28:18-19) And your covenant with Death will certainly be dissolved, and that vision of yours with Sheol will not stand. The overflowing flash flood, when it passes through—you must also become for it a trampling place. 19 As often as it passes through, it will take you men away, because morning by morning it will pass through, during the day and during the night; and it must become nothing but a reason for quaking TO MAKE OTHERS UNDERSTAND what has been heard.” (Dan11:41; Dan8:13-14)

And from then on, the UN NGO will no longer be swept UNder Bethel’s rug with their many other very serious transgession. The UN NGO (Matt24:15) is the “transgression causing desolation” of Daniel 8:13-14.

Imagine if ALL JWs clearly knew of the UN NGO, the big secret still at Bethel. And imagine if ALL JWs knew about the Bethel Pedo Files.

Many would leave fully voluntarily, and the Pedo Files will receive better disclosure to many JWs, now thinking more seriously about that brain dead GB they are following.

The GB has many dirty little secrets, that are getting exposed in a big way, so that some awake JWs can get out until after the storm is over, because this is the beginning of the end of the Bethel apostate secret mill.

As per Matthew 24:15 JWs should leave the city now.

Bethel Trick: Conceal Truth with Truth

Definition of Apostate: Bethel

Keep The Baby, Throw Out Dirty Bethel Bathwater

Connecting Bethel Lawlessness to Final Prophecy

Daniel 8:13-14 Details the Coming Temple Judgment of Jehovah’s Witnesses


[QUOTE who=”Irish “]Both Israel (10 tribes) and Judah were condemned by Jehovah for social injustice to the weak and vulnerable (widows and orphans) in their midst. This injustice was as bad as idolatry according to scripture.

The apostle James in his letter (NT) stated that looking after widows and orphans aka the weak and unprotected in their fellowship as pure religion in Jehovah’s eyes, not pious talk and law keeping, following a theocratic procedure lacking mercy and justice.

People who talk about honoring GOD’s name, must understand the significance of that in actions NOT empty words, bringing glory to god’s name means every thought and judgement must be motivated by that name, that nature of LOVE, MERCY, WISDOM, HOLINESS and JUSTICE …MERCY triumphs judgement !

Analyze the motivations of those caring for the weak, and you have the answer to the OP ..was it a legitimate concern for the child and family or self preservations of a church’s image and / or shrugged responsibility of flawed policies and lack of professional help.

Jehovah exiled both Israel and Judah ! [/QUOTE]

Every divine judgment comes with a shift in global power manifesting beyond question. This is the fifth time:

Foretold Apostasy Always Precedes a Global Epic World Power Transition—5 Times in Prophecy

Israel’s and Jerusalem’s apostasy was the first two, and the patterns are always the same, and the only way to free the people stuck under apostate leaders, is to crash the city. And this fifth time, that city is Bethel, because of its smaller scale yet well known original Kingdom message, now subverted into scandal after scandal, they will serve as a good signal epicenter of God’s disapproval.

But the purpose is to fee JWs from the mind control of apostates in Bethel leadership. And it precedes world government by a number of years as the entity that triggers Christ arrival, so in time the final summary can emerge which Bethel has fully derailed, while at the same time their apostasy fits into chapter one, of why a judgment comes as the world transitions through US downfall, into world government, the real trajectory Bethel is concealing, and distracting from in massive global reproach so that people doubt, and forget, where we are in propehcy:

8th King World Government Rise with 7th King Nation State Fall

King 8 Versus King 7—The New World Order to Capture the Old World Order

Just because Bethel has morphed into “the lie” (2Thess2:11-12), does not mean God, Christ and prophecy are a lie. (Dan8:13-14 on Bethel next as Daniel 11:41)

Bethel is the distraction, so they get put out of the way, and JWs go into “exile”, first. (1Pet4:17)

THEN the final warning will emerge in time, fast tracked.

World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

[QUOTE who=”Irish “]Mr. Jackson’s comment has caused a catch 22 for our beloved WT apologists on here.
If his comment is believed in the spirit intended, the WT apologists can’t be so agorrant and slander all as apostates anymore. If his comments was “double speak – WT theocratic warfare” then it proves it was a deceptive lie..
Let’s see if there is any change in attitude consistent with the humble spirit intended by mr. Jackson , the WT apologists’ attitude will confirm it as truth or a lie …don’t you think ? [/QUOTE]

This is but one more signal illogic virus, that sits in the JW head, whose conclusion is called: LYING to waffle out of a hard place.

The GB take credit for everything but the shit bomb now exploding. So thinking JWs will mull the obvious around, trying to justify it, but for the real thinking JW, it is but one more “red flag” coming from Bethel.

And rather than be in a context in which to be unashamed to make a “stand for Christ”, the context is in a situation where secular authorities are seemingly more sensitive to victims of child abuse than Bethel holy men, and REAL CRIMES are being run down as to the source of the policies that abuse victims, AGAIN, after they try to lodge a valid complaint.

Thus there is no way to “take a stand for Christ”, when the waffler is trying to dodge crimes even secular officials are IDing as in need of serious change. Now the strong arm elder-speak, coming from the GB-speak (whin in the congregation of GB sycophants), as they presumptuously lifted themselves as the creators of all JW truth, all of a sudden turns into worm talk, as one of the top dogs squirms to waffle around real crimes, to attempt toss Australian Bethel and “the GB helpers” if need be, under the bus, rather than just fess up and take accountability for the crimes.

But when it is JW accolades and worship, then the GB bask in the limelight and take all credit. When it comes to the real basis of an Aussie class action lawsuit like no one in the WTBTS has ever seen before, and redress package that altogether can bankrupt Australian WTBTS corps, then the GB is not so keen on taking ANY credit, for ANYTHING.

And I think a thinking JW can see it is like dealing with a politician CEO from Bethel, just another waffling aloof, twice removed, GB liar.

(Revelation 2:2) . . .‘I know your deeds, and your labor and endurance, and that you cannot bear bad men, and that you put those to the test who say they are apostles, but they are not, and you found them liars.

When put to the test, even by secular authorities, “Apostle” Bethel is found a liar.

Because it is so cut and dried to be simply “it is what it is”, thinking JWs have to hunker down and admit it to themselves, and woefully consider what such a wormwood laced Bethel cup of tea really means, for the future of Bethel.

The GB creates scandal, and harms faith, when one puts faith in them. When one sees it for what it is, a common apostasy being exposed from the GB ROOT, then faith is strengthened: and it is admitted they have to go under judgment, be removed, and then be fully exposed. In the meantime this is a rock in the JW shoe, until such HONESTY is utilized.

The “locusts” are a sign of Christ arrival, merging into the final warning when God commissions that after the recovery.


[QUOTE who=”imagoodboy”]Fifthly, the locust are told not to harm the seal ones which is an nonsensical statement since they claim to be the locusts![/QUOTE]

It may imply that, but it states this:

(Revelation 9:4) And they were told to harm no vegetation of the earth nor any green thing nor any tree, but only those men who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads.

Thus it does not say “not to harm the seal ones”, it says to “harm” “those men who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads”

So sealed locusts can very well issue judgment messages against unsealed fake anointed, and rejected anointed, and still be the same as the anointed “locusts” heading for final commission of Revelation 10.

The locusts support the sign of Christ’s arrival.



[QUOTE who=”imagoodboy”]<quoted text>

I had to reread it Bethelman, and I tried to see it your way, but I keeping coming back to the fact that it seem to be a group of locusts that go out to cause destruction up on those that are not the seal ones.


1. As in post 1919 first fulfillment, the “locusts” do cause destruction: to apostasy.

From that date forward the Christendom corporate based apostasy was laid bare, never to rise to the pinnacle of Catholic or Protestant subversion effectiveness ever again, they were all exposed as BTG DNA at the core.

JWs did finish off and expose the church lie at the corporate Christendom source, fully exposed as such. SPIRITUALLY DESTROYED, and devoured for almost 100 full years of a marked global Kingdom warning ministry, and global signal.

2. In the future, the locale that guided that earthly portion of that Christendom apostasy exposing ministry, Bethel, now apostate itself, will again suffer a destructive exposure.

BUT THIS TIME IT IS of the Bethel apostasy, UN NGO, and the UN progress in prophecy they have been concealing among JWs, as it is connected to the Bethel “United Nations of Non Governmental Organizations” partnership, as Bethel has joined corporate Christendom in wildbeast sponsorship.

Hence “TWO witnessings”, all upon Revelation 8-11, as it REPEATS.

Thus, at the same time the whole wildbeast world government promoting complex, that Bethel has merely adjoined in the most modern form of such UN allied defection, is again “destroyed” and exposed and LAID BARE to the root, as to what it all really is, AFTER UN-Bethel goes down in temple judgment (the smoke that comes with the abyss opening), when anointed Christians are freed from the APOSTATE BETHEL effects of Daniel 8:13-14 as Revelation 8 parallel, in the recovery and totally final warning emerging from the abyss of that coming desolation on Bethel.

The theme of apostasy REPEATS with the second witnessing emerging to official (Rev10:10-11), the final one, as Revelation 8-11 FULLY repeats on the original “oil” “light” pattern of the first witnessing, RESERVED by some modern anointed Christians. (Matt25:1-13)


Many will doubt all this harmony in Revelation 9’s meaning respecting both the first apostasy exposure (Christendom), and the last (at Bethel), but when Bethel is hit by the fire by God (Rev8:3-5), given to the UN powers they have slept with (Dan11:41), and fully “trampled” (Dan8:13), then some people will start to think about this more seriously.

The anointed Christian “locusts”, same pattern as the first witnessing, in repentance, “five discreet virgin” approval, and original “oil” of enlightenment LIGHTING UP, headed to final divine commission (Rev10), as shown in this harmony of 1919 and the future, the “locusts” will “emerge” to fully lay bare the Bethel apostasy (Rev8:10-11). In the “smoke” of the globally seen downing of Bethel, its UN “burning mountain” “mount Bethel” UN NGO cover up and crash (Rev8:8-9), in the same manner the former Christendom UN sponsoring complex was also exposed years earlier, will be globally exposed the final time: as a whole, but Bethel is the latest UN partner to focus on.

And that exposure summarizes EVERYTHING UN prophecy, that Bethel now conceals fully, since 1990 3rd UN presentation globally, which is prophecy at Daniel 11″30-32a, and Daniel 8:23, as Bethel APOSTASY CO-DEVELOPS with that UN UN NGO cover up campaign, led by King North, INSIDE of Bethel. (Dan11:32a)

The first trumpet (Rev8:7) is the whole encapsulation of the TEMPLE JUDGMENT of Revelation 8:3-5 (as 1Pet4:17 priority on God’s house, firt). That Revelation 8:3-5 “fire of the altar” is the purification, to produce the temple’s “right condition” of Daniel 8:14, Zech3:2,4-5, and Malachi 3:1-4. (Eze10, Isa6:6-8)


That is the “good news”, yet “sackcloth” state of the ministry, that the locusts first start to carry forth as the main “locust” message, once RELEASED from the abyss of the massive Bethel global temple judgment as the visible cue of the anointed Christian judgment it really is.

Exposing the Bethel apostasy, laying it bare and destroyed like a locust swarm all over that lie (2Thess2:11-12), eventually leads to the “little scroll” TOTAL SOVEREIGN FINAL WARNING of the Messianic Kingdom, at the very period world government is being hoisted upon the whole world.

The final warning will precede world government by 1260 days, just as the first witnessing preceded the League of Nations by 1260 days, approximate, to that periods release of the truth. But now the Daniel 8:14 timing of Revelation 8-9, leads trumpets 1-6, to the final 1260 days and to the Christ arrival IN 1-7 ORDER, BEFORE 8th King World Government completes globally.

The final warning must warn of the ramifications of 8th King final sovereign world government affront on Christ’s Kingdom, then also completing the 144000.

World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

That is why the “locusts” sign of judgment on Bethel, then fallen fully, must emerge from the “smoke” and “fire” of the Bethel corporate downfall UN connected judgment, to free the locusts from the abyss. (The UN NGO is the “transgression causing desolation” of Daniel 8:13)

The evil operators in Bethel (Dan11:32a; Zech3:3), and the 8th King powers, will want to keep that “abyss lid” shut for good on the downed anointed Christian ministry, and they will attempt to capture and neutralize ALL JWs globally, AFTER Bethel corporate sector is mature in takeover.

But as per Hosea 1:4-7, instead they meet The Destroyer, who will deliver approved JWs for final warning purposes as (Hosea1:7) …”I shall not save them by a bow or by a sword or by war, by horses or by horsemen.”, but by the Destroyer, that is covert angels of God will neutralize the apostate ant-JW operation (Isa66:6), to allow the final warning to emerge.

And that is why the Destroyer Christ, has the key to the temple judgment abyss and recovery of the final warning. It is all perfectly in harmony with the first witnessing, and the final pattern for the second and final witnessing. The Bethel infiltrators will meet supernatural entities, to effect their total expulsion, as their “crag” at Bethel is nuetralized to allow the final warning to emerge:

(Isaiah 31:8-9) And the Assyrian must fall by the sword, not [that of] a man; and a sword, not [that of] earthling man, will devour him (The Destroyer’s “sword”). And he must flee because of the sword, and his own young men will come to be for forced labor itself. (death) 9 And his own crag (Bethel “burning mountain” Rev8:8-9) will pass away out of sheer fright, and BECAUSE OF THE SIGNAL his princes must be terrified,” is the utterance of Jehovah, whose light is in Zion and whose furnace is in Jerusalem.



They all “see” the “smoke” that comes forth with the anointed Christian locusts, for a global sign of the final period, of Adamic man and rival world government development.


[QUOTE=Thinking;14473]Do not not think I do not understand what you are saying here 4 winds …I do…BUT……….just like in the wilderness ..when moses came down of that mountain……and his people were confronted with two choices……worship the idol ( golden calf ) …or worship the True God Jehovah…….we will be faced with that very situation as well….it will not be a confusing riddle to work out…..

how it all comes about…we still need to wait and see……….and perhaps we are seeing things already developing ……..but when it does happen…it will be obvious to all honest hearted ones to see the choice they need to make.

jehovah is not so cruel to make that final decision so confusing and puzzling that we will be deceived…

he knows his sheep..and he will look after them….I am talking about HONEST HEARTED SHEEP THAT LOVE TRUTH……I am not talking about the weeds that look like sheep……

Some of the posts here concerning this subject can be very depressing and one feels like throwing the towel in because ones write in such a way that …..the very fear of being deceived and tricked is overwhelming…’s even scare the hell out of me sometimes!!!!…

.yet then I ponder on the past experiences of how Jehovah always treated his corrupt people….those experiences are there for us to learn from…..

jesus spoke in a way that honest hearted sheep understood him…perhaps not right away..but eventually if they persisted and endured with him….then all was revealed in good time…

he will look after us like that again…..gradually we will see what we need to do….it will become clearer and clearer……

Dates..Times..Chronology …types and anti types….all these are extremely important.
otherwise he would not have written of such things…I admire and always read intensely what those that have these gifts write….I learn so much from them…

this post is not about such things……

I hope you can understand where I am coming from….

I am writing this post to encourage ones like me… mathematician ….no real bible scholar…….but I do believe I have a honest heart and a love for truth …..even tho imperfect and stumble many times……… the time of the end…he will not allow any such one to be tricked or deceived….as long as we endure…..and have faith in him…

sis thinking[/QUOTE]

Yes I agree things will get clearer for ALL people, and I mean more than just Jehovah’s witnesses, because that house judgment is a signal the final cycle has begun.

(Isaiah 28:18-19) And your covenant with Death will certainly be dissolved, and that vision of yours with Sheol will not stand. The overflowing flash flood, when it passes through—you must also become for it a trampling place. 19 As often as it passes through, it will take you men away, because morning by morning it will pass through, during the day and during the night; and it must become nothing but a reason for quaking TO MAKE OTHERS UNDERSTAND what has been heard.” (Dan11:41; Dan8:13-14)

And I do believe, as Jesus stated, “not one particle of a letter” would go unfulfilled. Thus Bethel casting parables aside that parallel the temple judgment (Matt25:1-13; Matt22:1-14, as examples), is because their apostasy and “evil slave” “confirmed” activity is all over those prophecies and parables, they are the ones who dumped their own original “virgin” “oil”, in the leaders of this apostasy INSIDE of the UN-Bethel act.

They are the final SIGNAL APOSTASY LEADERSHIP, all as per signal prophecy. (Dan11:30-35; Dan8:11-14; Zech3:1-3; 2Thess2:1-12)

To keep JWs in the trap, Evil-Bethel must avoid detection from the Bible’s many APOSTATE LEADERSHIP parables and prophecies, but GB and Bethel fruitage reveals them even to the beginner. (2Pet2:1-3)

And because they cannot crash the profaned JW org in a day (Dan8:14; Hos6:1-3; Dan8:11-14), God can use the more and more severe period of anti-JW-org events coming up, more and more globally-severe in time, to get through to many more JWs.

As an example, the exposure of true “sheep beating” activities governed by guilty “evil slave” apostate Bethel, such as these latest RC expose’s, can in fact wake some JWs up, as it is far more globally known and public in exposure than say the UN NGO. It is also clear to see the JW org is a pedophile protecting organization, for example, it is “suffering as an evil doer”. (1Pet4:15-17)

Pedophile protectors—But another “sexual” “earmark” of the kinds of GB Pharisaic men now misleading JWs from Bethel, in addition to the UN NGO spiritual fornications they ALSO CONCEALED.

In time Daniel 11:41 as Luke 21:20 will get crystal clear as the JW org is globally “surrounded” and “invaded”. Although Matthew 24:15 is present in the hard to “catch sight of” UN NGO “disgusting thing” even now, the Bethel corporate invasion, amidst real criminal prosecutions, will be very very hard to miss.

God will make sure some JWs can catch on faster and faster, as to the evil that resides INSIDE of UN-Bethel’s leadership RIGHT NOW. (2Thess2:1-4,9; Zech3:1-3; Dan11:32a; Dan8:12)

But soon the reaping what has actually been sown phase will wake more and more JWs up, to get out NOW. The whole JW ministry carries UN NGO and error, and is thus profaned by lack of final truth.

(John 17:17) Sanctify them by means of the truth…

Bethel has to be sacked and “trampled” (Dan8:13), before that sanctifying “right condition” truth can come in fully. 

Of course evil Bethel will attempt to sell all that JW org crash period as “it is the end of the world brothers!!!!!”; (2Thess2:1-2 premature end delusion of the apostasy at Bethel; (2Thess2:3-4, parallel “apostasy” Dan11:32a))

But it is the end of the Bethel apostasy, the world proceeds as foretold, to world government, it will just be the 7th King downfall, BEFORE the 8th King globally “rises” (Rev11:7; Rev17:8-12) on that 7th King required fall.

World government—complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3; Dan12:11), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

That truth is what Bethel is King North tasked (Dan11:32a), to conceal as long as they can, and to trap as many JWs in the process, as they can, by use of the JW org trust:

[QUOTE] WT quote (WT 11/15/2013, pg. 20, par. 17, #3): 

“”Elders who are reading this article can draw some useful conclusions from the account we have just considered:…

[And sandwiched into the admonishment:]

(3) At that time, the lifesaving direction that we receive from Jehovah’s organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint. All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not. [/QUOTE]

Obviously Bethel is planning to use the org, to herd JWs to capture. And this is not “paranoia”, this is prophecy, the enemy is INSIDE the UN sold-out JW Org (Dan11:32a; Dan8:12), INSIDE of Bethel, IN the GB, and they are out to get JWs, in the end of the Bethel corporate sacking process (Dan8:13-14; Rev8), which God will disrupt (Hos1:4-7; Rev9:1-4; Isa66:6), but it is not “the end” yet, just God and Christ securing the final warning recovery of Revelation 9-11, in final fulfillment cycle form, EN ROUTE TO 8TH KING WORLD GOVERNMENT, as foretold. 

(Plus the operators inside of the JW org, have to get fair warning of the angelically deadly entities they will meet first (Isa30:8-9, for their temple and earthly removal (Hos1:4-7; Isa-6:66) well before the end, as a sign to “King North” boys.)

(Isaiah 31:8-9) And the Assyrian (King North infiltrators; Hos1:4-7) must fall by the sword, not [that of] a man; and a sword (of the “Destroyer’s” temple purifying angels), not [that of] earthling man, will devour him. And he must flee because of the sword, and his own young men will come to be for forced labor itself. (death; Job14:14; Isa37:36; Mic5:5-6) 9 And his own crag will pass away out of sheer fright (Rev8:8-9), and because of the signal his princes must be terrified,” is the utterance of Jehovah, whose light is in Zion and whose furnace is in Jerusalem.

(They find out what “furnace” God is talking about, first hand, first. They are now getting the fair warning.)

At this time, apostate KN led Bethel wants to sell dumbed down JWs the 7th King US and EU global nation-state financial downfall (Dan11:42-43), and final global “sword stroke” (Rev13:3) coming up, as though “the end”. (2Thess2:1-2) (way too soon)

But as per Revelation 13:3, and Revelation 17:8 it all “heals” and “ascends” into WORLD GOVERNMENT.

Thus crunching Bethel, and neutralizing their obstacles, will allow the final cycle truth to come forth (Rev9-11), prior to world government, Christ triggering, completion.

(Revelation 11:7) . . .And when they have finished their (1260 days complete final warning) witnessing, the wild beast that ascends out of the abyss (into world government complete; Rev17:8-12) will make war with them and conquer them and kill them.


[QUOTE who=”Arkham Bravo”]<quoted text>
Not sure I follow. Are you saying such plate activity is in response to human activity?[/QUOTE]

Partly. The Super-Quake in Isaiah 24, and Revelation 16:17-20 will “reset” the global “tectonic imbalance” (created at the Noah era flood) for the 1000 Year Reign of Jesus Christ.

Then the 8th King GPS will give the right coordinate, but the wrong place, as their satellites are vaporized. Then God will scrub their global digital identity, and they won’t know who they are, and the global records of digital money, investment and corporate definitions, already over 90% digital, will be “reformatted” for Global Reboot into Christ OS, 8th King “Virus Removal”.

The Old World Order OS will be UNinstalled by the New World Order OS, which will be scrubbed in its entirety by the GOD Operating System of Planet Earth. (Rev11:15-19)

Earthquakes will aid the process when that big one hits at Christ arrival. Many will be saved in the process, first. (Rev14:6-7,14-16) But planet Earth will be “reformatted” into life sustaining OS.


[QUOTE who=”Lordylordy9111″]<quoted text>
It is with good reason we are called the “salt of the earth”. It is because after Jesus died on the torture stake and died for us He poured Holy Spirit out on His sheep fold to proclaim His death. That is what happened at Pentecost. They were filled with the Holy Spirit to help the world (Acts2:23). If we do not use this divinity proper which is Holy Spirit than we make the “torture stake” useless. We have the lamps with the oil to illuminate the way. We don’t use it we are blind as everyone else in sayans world. [/QUOTE]

And because of the “scattered” state of anointed Christians now, and many people as bewildered as JWs, due to Satanic aid (Zech3:1-3; 2Thess2:9) of this latest full blown global-apostasy phase, MORE “spirit of the truth” will have to come forth in the holy spirit, because:

(John 17:17) . . .Sanctify them by means of the truth. . .

This means Bethel purposeful error is a profanation.

So when Bethel has been “trampled” to the degree of the first major portnet signal, and the “evening” phase of Daniel 8:14,26 progresses to “the morning” of that same final “oil” of enlightenment, then the final divine backing, sorely needed to counteract this apostasy wave, will also come forth in the future, form God, through Christ to secure the final witnessing:

(Joel 2:28-29) 28 “And after that it must occur that I shall pour out my spirit on every sort of flesh, and your sons and your daughters will certainly prophesy. As for your old men, dreams they will dream. As for your young men, visions they will see. 29 And even on the menservants and on the maidservants in those days I shall pour out my spirit.

One of those “signs” as “portents” is the recovery from this massive global apostasy that Bethel has merely joined in the corporate Christeindom UN sponsoring error, because the real cycle of this is comign up:

(Joel2:30-32) “And I will give portents in the heavens and on the earth, blood and fire and columns of smoke. 31 The sun itself will be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the coming of the great and fear-inspiring day of Jehovah. 32 And it must occur that everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will get away safe; for in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there will prove to be the escaped ones, just as Jehovah has said, and in among the survivors, whom Jehovah is calling.”

For “in that time” in the above, the portent will be of final judgment:

(Joel3:1-2a) “For, look! in those days and in that time, when I shall bring back the captive ones of Judah and Jerusalem, 2 I will also collect together all the nations and bring them down to the low plain of Jehoshaphat…

That merely began (1Pet4:17) in the temple judgment (Dan11:41 as Dan8:13) at the last point of progress in the first witnessing of anointed Christians now diverted into UN and pedophile protecting apostasy.

And it will be needed due to the success of the current apostate campaign, which Bethel merely joined as a member of the United Nations of Non-Kingdom Organizations.


[QUOTE=belongingtojah;14449]Hi Jan,


Is not the actions of the governing body toward their fellow anointed brothers and apostacy from truth?

Is not the ngo affair a act of apostacy?

Is not the current examination of the watchtower organization’s policies on child abuse by the austrailian government and example of an apostacy?

Just some thoughts to ponder – it seems to me the apostacy has been going on a while.

Have a blessed day.


Yes, they are all spiritual sins. When one joins what amounts to a membership in the United Nations of Non-Kingdom Organizations, it is the spiritual apostasy of leaving the “holy covenant” for a Kingdom. They chose to promote the 3rd UN presentation in New World Order mantra mode (Awake! 9/8/1991), rather than tell JWs and the world it is as foretold in prophecy as the first two UN presentations. (Dan11:31b, Dan8:23)

They bypassed that revelation of the real King North who they joined in Daniel 11:30-32a. 

Ever wonder why the GB WILL NOT explain who King North must be as 8th King world government as SIMPLE as it is?

Because they have joined that 8th Kingdom instead.

Now the physical sins of the Pedo Files of Bethel policy are just globally understandable cherry on top of the Hot Fudged Bethel Sundae of Apostasy. Christendom did the same thing in 1921 with the League of Nations, while also denying it was prophecy fulfilled, and those Christendom global councils were founded by JP Morgan as the Rothschilds formed the “Israel” global religious Zionist counterpart.

Thus Bethel’s liquid asset billions are in the same “King North” banks, so they are couped from within, as per propehcy, and it is LED BY KING NORTH inside of Bethel’s GB, shadow boards, and WTS infiltrations:

(Daniel 11:32) “And those who are acting wickedly against [the] covenant(at Bethel), he (8th King/King North) will lead into apostasy by means of smooth words. (The Bethel “smooth words” 8th King cover-up in the JW publications ispart of the smoothly justified apostasy);

So no wonder Apostate Bethel will not explain their role in Daniel 11:30-35, nor in Daniel 8:11-14, as the whole ministry is now in the “wrong condition”. (See Dan8:14)

And it gets worse, instead of explaining this is the covert Daniel 11:41 infiltration “entry of the Decoration”, that will go overt in WTBTS sacking as the visible portion of apostasy (Dan8:13), they have JWs OVER ADVANCED to Daniel 11:44, so JWs will think Bethel sacking is “the end of the world!”. (2Thess2:1-2) And that is allowed by keeping the USSR=King North error unaddressed for who King North really is: 8th King globalist elite world government engineers.

Now they can sack Bethel, and just tell JWs it is “the end”, rather than Daniel 11:40-43 going full blown, as marked by Bethel invasion going full blown, as set up from within, as Daniel 11:41. NO WAY did the USSR fulfill anything in Daniel 11, but the failure of Daniel 11:27 “but nothing will succeed”, because the 8th King, as per Daniel 11:36, is who is “successful until the denunciations comes to a finish” at Armageddon as Daniel 11:45, Daniel 12:11 parallel final world government “placement” of “palatial tents”.

THAT is how serious the UN NGO really is. 

They have allied with King North in also cover up and JW subversion (Dan8:12), and anti-JW-org operations globally, aided from within. In reality there will be FOUR UN presentations, UN 1-2-3-4, 1919, 1945, 1990 and the future.

Since JWs have not understood the 3rd UN placement of 1990, they have no idea about UN 3-4 requirement. Now the 7th King required downfall (Dan11:42-43) and global crisis “tribulation of those days”, which enables full 8th King world government “rise” (Rev11:7; Rev17:8-12), can be sold to JWs AS IF it is “the end of the world brothers!!!!”.

It’s a coup that began with 1976 GB cell of internal King North progress inside of Bethel, as per Daniel 11:32a.

That cannot be all accidental coincidence. King North is INSIDE of Bethel now.


[QUOTE who=”Arkham Bravo”]Joshua 10:12,13:
On the day the LORD gave the Amorites over to Israel, Joshua said to the LORD in the presence of Israel: “Sun, stand still over Gibeon, and you, moon, over the Valley of Aijalon.” So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, till the nation avenged itself on its enemies, as it is written in the Book of Jashar. The sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day.
This was probably a favorite around the campfire, but it certainly did not happen that way and is more likely an embellishment to sensationalize the story about a victory for God’s people.
Stories like this does reinforce the ignorance of the cosmos the Hebrews had. For they still thought the Earth was flat and that everything revolved around It, including the Sun. …
If you are a JW, you are familiar with this story from My Book of Bible Stories and were told by whomever read it to you that this was true.
It would be interesting if there was a corresponding story from another civilization on another part of the Earth that speaks of an unusually long day and night! [/QUOTE]

Well the earth moved backwards one day, as well, to give a sign of recovery:

(Isaiah 38:4-9) And the word of Jehovah now occurred to Isaiah, saying: 5 “Go, and you must say to Hezekiah, ‘This is what Jehovah the God of David your forefather has said: “I have heard your prayer. I have seen your tears. Here I am adding onto your days fifteen years; 6 and out of the palm of the king of Assyria I shall deliver you and this city, and I will defend this city. 7 And this is the sign for you from Jehovah that Jehovah will perform this word that he has spoken:

8 Here I am making the shadow of the steps that had gone down on the steps [of the stairs] of Ahaz by the sun retrace backward ten steps.”’” And the sun gradually went back ten steps on the steps [of the stairs] that it had gone down.

9 A writing of Hezekiah the king of Judah, when he got sick and revived from his sickness.

The “sun” that gets put back “ten” “steps” away from the temple, as God delays the modern Assyrian as they make a move on the temple in Daniel 8:13-14. But they have to wait until Revelation 11:2-3, when the temple is again in the “right condition” of Daniel 8:14.

The “city” God will protect is globally distributed JWs, and anointed Christians, that this first 8th King “trampling” will try to depose too soon, AFTER and as the Bethel JW org is beign “trampled”. (Zech3:2; Isa31:8-9; Hos1:4-7)

God will deliver JWs approved and repenting for the final warnign purposes, and that is why the NWO will suffer a “set back” after Bethel is trampled as Daniel 11:41 and Daniel 8:13-14 for UN NGO and apostasy.

In time you will start to believe in miracles too, because you will see all that happen on the JW org, as it is deposed for its UN NGO sins.

But global Jehovah’s witnesses will be spared, and the angel of God will effect that deliverance and that 8th King kick in the crotch.

(Isaiah 31:8-9) And the Assyrian must fall by the sword, not [that of] a man; and a sword, not [that of] earthling man, will devour him. And he must flee because of the sword, and his own young men will come to be for forced labor itself. 9 And his own crag will pass away out of sheer fright, and because of the signal his princes must be terrified,” is the utterance of Jehovah, whose light is in Zion and whose furnace is in Jerusalem.

(Isaiah 37:36-37) And the angel of Jehovah proceeded to go forth and strike down a hundred and eighty-five thousand in the camp of the Assyrians. When people rose up early in the morning, why, there all of them were dead carcasses. 37 Hence Sennacherib the king of Assyria pulled away…

But that “pulling away” is only so the final warning of Revelation 9-11:1-7 can come forth, well before delayed world government completes.


[QUOTE who=”Lordylordy9111″]<quoted text>
The “scattered sheep fold” is an event in itself. There is a whole etiology behind the events that scattered God’s sheep but more important the events where God gathers them. It parallels a shepherd removing the trangressions of the peoples state by removing the befouled turban and state; and then God sanctifying His Holy name. There is a whole unique etiology behind these events. Its very important to us and our worship of Him in the proper condition of Truth and Spirit. I am glad you see this. [/QUOTE]

In the current state of Christendom, and Bethel UN allied “microcosm” of the same “snapshot”, it WILL TAKE A MIRACLE.

So when Lamentations comes on the JW org (and people) locale of apostate Jerusalem “snapshot”, when Bethel being sacked, and then “the end” not showing up as soon as expected, THEN, in the depths of darkness (Dan8:14 “evening”) a miracle will come and all of John 14-17 will have details of this:

(Zechariah 13:7) 7 “O sword, awake against my shepherd, even against the able-bodied man who is my associate,” is the utterance of Jehovah of armies. “Strike the shepherd, and let those of the flock be scattered; and I shall certainly turn my hand back upon those who are insignificant.”

When the scattering of the JW “earth” “microcosm” (Rev8) allows it to have global events that will be made known as to the temple judgment later, but all of Christendom will see that judgment, for it portends their own, but individuals will be called out a final time.

And something of that scale will also “take a miracle” as angles are all over the temple judgment prophecies for a reason. So expect a miracle, because the ones who see it will be because approval is being activated for the final warning commission that MUST also be carried out:

(Revelation 10:5-11) And the angel that I saw standing on the sea and on the earth raised his right hand to heaven, 6 and by the One who lives forever and ever, who created the heaven and the things in it and the earth and the things in it and the sea and the things in it, he swore: “There will be no delay any longer;

The WHOLE SUMMARY of the “second witness”:

7 but in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to blow his trumpet, the sacred secret of God according to the good news which he declared to his own slaves the prophets is indeed brought to a finish.”

8 And the voice that I heard out of heaven is speaking again with me and saying: “Go, take the opened scroll that is in the hand of the angel who is standing on the sea and on the earth.” 9 And I went away to the angel and told him to give me the little scroll. And he said to me: “Take it and eat it up, and it will make your belly bitter, but in your mouth it will be sweet as honey.” 10 And I took the little scroll out of the hand of the angel and ate it up, and in my mouth it was sweet as honey; but when I had eaten it up, my belly was made bitter.


11 And they say to me: “You must prophesy AGAIN with regard to peoples and nations and tongues and many kings.”

And God hands that to anointed Christians “five discreet virgins” who must go and “take it and eat it up”, when God commissions that final warning (Zech3:6-9), AFTER this temple desolation (Dan8:13) prepares the “right condition” of the whole of Daniel 8:14, BEFORE that actual commission can be given BY GOD, NOT MEN, with the same “reserved oil” basis of final enlightenment.

Then people “seeing” that light, can also welcome the Bridegroom Christ.

(Isaiah 9:2) . . .The people that were walking in the darkness have seen a great light. As for those dwelling in the land of deep shadow, light itself has shone upon them.

As we know there are “sellers of oil” (Matt25:1-13) that is not the real thing of the “first witness” subject matter, merely completing into world government. This time the WHOLE SUMMARY is given.


[QUOTE who=”Anonymous Brother”]<quoted text>
I remember seeing in some pub or other that it is. Just as any forensic evidence or actual conviction can be.
My elders have mentioned it is. I’ll see if I can find it again.[/QUOTE]

I read a comment you made on this subject, and researched what defines a “witness” in wiki, which is one who provides EVIDENCE. Thus by a little Algebra, the EVIDENCE, even with no physical human witnesses, is a “witness” so to speak, in US civil law processes.

Now what if a victim had say, a Web cam video of the abuse? Same thing as DNA, or other “evidence”, it itself is a “witness” even if not a literal human being.

Governing Body 1976

But in my take the GB 1976 is a purposeful development utilizing the 1944 introduction of the idea (among JWs) that Acts 15 is a “governing body” in some sort of perpetuity, which originally is actually from Christendom, which self-same “rule by committee” is how that ship went well off course.

And if we notice in Acts 15, a “body” is not mentioned. In fact the SEPARATE entities of the emergency meeting were listed as apostles, older men, and even the “congregation” was involved in the decision:

(Acts 15:2) But when there had occurred no little dissension and disputing by Paul and Barnabas with them, they arranged for Paul and Barnabas and some others of them to go up to the apostles and older men in Jerusalem regarding this dispute.

(Acts 15:22) Then the apostles and the older men together with the whole congregation favored…

Now the point is the “itemized” “attendance list” was to established so that a “body” was NOT to be the outcome of this one time only meeting. No “body” is mentioned whatsoever, in fact the opposite, the authoritative components of the emergency session are listed, one by one, not a “body”. The idea of a body is superimposed later.

Even Christendom clerics of the Protestant bend, have also noted this distinction:

Ellicott’s Commentary for English Readers (Acts 15:1-4)

“The reference of the question to the “Apostles and elders” is in many ways important. (1) As against the dogmatic system of the Church of Rome.”

And so the point is, while some used that distinction to argue against the Papal “body”, in time Christendom adopted this same “governing body” “synod” technique of ministerial control and eventual subversion as well, also using Acts 15 to do so, long before the WTBTS “board of directors” latest version of 1976:

Pulpit Commentary (Acts 15:2)

“”The apostles and elders. This phrase marks the constitution of the governing part of the Church of Jerusalem.””

Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges (Acts 15:2)

“”These with the elders appear now as the governing body of the infant church.””

The term “governing body” has only been used by the WTBTS since 1944.

1944 [[“governign body”]] Idea

Now we know what brother Rutherford thought about “board of directors” attempted takeovers:

***Jehovah’s Witnesses in the Divine Purpose (1959); pp. 97***

“”There he persisted in his efforts to persuade Rutherford to send him back to England so that he might make his position more secure. When Brother Rutherford refused, he sought assistance from the board of directors and finally persuaded four members to side with him in this issue by making it appear that Brother Rutherford was unfit to serve as president of the Society. Since the board of directors consisted of only seven men, this meant that now the majority of the board of directors had gone in opposition to President Rutherford, Vice-President Pierson and Secretary-Treasurer Van Amburgh. This put the officers of the Society on one side of the issue and the directors who were trying to wrest administrative control from the president on the other side.

TOM: How did they expect to do that?

JOHN: Their idea was to make the president’s position secondary to the board of directors and limit his authority to that of an adviser. That would have meant making a change in the corporation’s bylaws, and since it was a complete departure from the provisions of the original charter it warned of serious trouble ahead.

Throughout the entire administration of Pastor Russell, the president and the other officers of the Society had been the ones to decide on new publications; the board of directors, as a body, was not consulted. Brother Rutherford continued this same policy as he took up the new administration. “”

So the point is it is very interesting the “governing body” idea resurfaced AFTER Rutherford died on January 8, 1942:

*** w71 12/15 pp. 755-756 A Governing Body as Different from a Legal Corporation ***

“”The official magazine of Jehovah’s Christian witnesses is The Watchtower Announcing Jehovah’s Kingdom. In the year 1944 the Watchtower magazine began to speak about the governing body of the Christian congregation.””

And by 1971 they even “lifted up” the capitalization of their title:

“”The Watchtower of December 15, 1971 was the first to unambiguously capitalize the term “Governing Body of Jehovah’s witnesses” as the defined group leading the religion, with a series of articles explaining its role and its relationship with the Watch Tower Society.””

And from that first 1971 “GB Title” “lift up” (2Thess2:3-4) the Governing Body error slipped in AFTER Rutherford had died. At one time the “legal servant body” was the whole corporation, no mention of Acts 15:

Let God Be True 1946

“”In 1884 the legal servant body of this international association was incorporated under Pennsylvania law. That non-profit corporation, Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, and the governing body of Jehovah’s witnesses have been inseparably associated ever since. In 1909 the corporate headquarters were transferred from Pittsburgh to New York (Brooklyn) and then an associate charitable corporation was formed and used for carrying on the worldwide publishing work of Jehovah’s witnesses. It is a New York corporation now known as Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, Inc. In other lands other associate corporations are used, such as International Bible Students Association in Great Britain and Canada.””

See how they just slip it all in as if always there in the “governing body” by association? (And this AFTER Rutherford died?)

And yet that whole GB “slipped in” is well before the Bethel coup stunt they pulled in the 1976 WTBTS takeover of the JW ministry by takeover of corporate Bethel, to be run by a dictatorial GB. So by the time of the 1976 Governing Body total power coup, Fred Franz had this to say:

“”The vice president said he too thought the two organizations were going to run parallel (per-haps like Antioch and Jerusalem?) and said: “I never had in mind what the Governing Body wants to do now.” [(in being a collective dictatorship)]

Fred Franz:  “”…went on to say that he had not been in favor of the [(GB)] change then and that from that point forward he had “just been watching” to see what would result.”” (CoC; Ch. 4)

Which more than implies, along with Fred Franz and Nathan Knorr advising AGAINST such a GB dictatorial scheme, that Fred had a suspicion about the Governing Body dictatorship. And now, 40 years after the coup of 1976, we are starting to see why Fred Franz was not comfortable with that GB decision, he was “just watching” to see what that time bomb would blow up into.

But my point is, an error in the Governing Body concept and entity is the problem since 1976 [1], not the entire formerly valid and clean ministry of Jehovah’s witnesses and the anointed Christians [2] that were using that visible earthly ministerial vessel for the foretold final global witnessing campaign. (Rev8-11, twice [3])

I believe God is using Caesar “superior authorities” to just begin to expose some of the other major problems (1Pet4:15-17) with this Governing Body and its lopsided and over extended [private corporate] “judicial system”, which now disobeys both God and men, goes well BEYOND “the things that are written”, and is near removal by God (Zech3:4-5), because it will not reform nor admit, on its own, the GB 1944-1976 to present regime, IS AN EXPERIMENT. An [[experiment]] in ministerial management by committee, that has FAILED, and it is not Biblical to begin with.

God allowed the error to develop, for greater future purposes.

The “Governing Body” is the entity that has now guided the post 1969 ministry totally off course [2], as they even became a member of the United Nation of Non-Kingdom Organizations as UN NGO UN sponsors (rather than tell JWs and the world that that 3rd UN presentation of 1990 is ALSO a prophecy at Daniel 11:31b; Daniel 8:23).

JW “The End” Hoax

But as stated at other times by me, this actually evil “set in opposition” GB entity (Dan11:32a), OBVIOUSLY 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 “lifting themselves over every one” in the global-congregation, can also use that 2 Thessalonians 2:1-2 premature end delusion “to the effect the day of Jehovah is here” too soon, to smokescreen the real reason for the coming Bethel downfall (1Pet4:17; Dan11:41; Dan8:13-14), for divine disapproval (Zech3:1-5; Dan8:11-13), NOT “the end” as JWs are expecting TOO SOON.

They use the USSR retained error as well, to bypass all this prophecy [4], and to keep JWs in premature expectation of “the end” way too soon.

So this is NO WAY just a random disaster all “falling into place” at this time, AND COMING TO LIGHT ALL AT ONCE, as in the Australian Royal Commission, as far as globally-examining REAL Bethel problems and liabilities.

This is final, signal, apostasy at Bethel, as foretold in the same prophecies they now divert, >>by recent error<<, that can be proven to be error in light of that 1990 3rd UN presentation, and its concealment as to prophecy. PAY ATTENTION, please consider this whole rationale for later, because this anti-JW-org development will get worse in the near future. (And as it does, many JWs will think it is “the end”, but well too soon of prophecy reality. [5])

In REALITY the King North progress in 3rd UN manifestation (1990), AND the [modern] Bethel apostasy, CO-DEVELOP in prophecy and these events just outlined above, simultaneously and parallel. [6]


From Simple “Governing Body” Error to Full Blown LIE. How?


1969—The JW Peak of Spiritual Enlightenment: Revelation Complete


Why TWO Witnesses?


Russia Framed as King North—The Purpose


Bethel Hoax: Premature End Expectation

Bethel’s Main Delusion: The End is Near, Jehovah’s Day is Here! – is a Signal of The Final Apostasy


Daniel 8 and 11 Final Apostasy and 3rd UN Placement (1990) Connections and Parallels

Daniel Prophecy and 8th King Globalists
Daniel 11:36-41 and Daniel 8:23-25 8th King Globalist Details and the Bethel Apostasy Co-Development

Bethel Apostasy Foretold in Daniel 8 and 11


On August 22, 15, Lordylordy9111 wrote:
> I began writing my 3rd manifesto. The first manifesto was accually the one
> about the “two covensnts” and my second was “Jesus Revived”. They are messages
> about Jesus but how can I speak about Him without speaking about His Adversary
> satan. Everything in the worldbelongs to him and it is in opposition to God. My
> 3rd manifest I have already had to purchase around 20 books and do alot of
> reading. I am getting educated through all the research. Discovering things I
> never knew. It makes me appreciate I am not part of the world and I have the
> Anointed Shepherd and the Truth.
> Agape

That is good, because now the spirit has to be more operative on those seeing the real development for what it is, and especially those even now not buying the “1914 is a delusion” effect on the first witness discrediting which modern Bethel reproach aids the doubt of.

Just as a few anointed Christians understood the first development meaning, now it is going to be more than just talk. People will be able to SEE the things talked about, as they mature into final form for world government.

Now we are not “guessing” as is the case with many, and doubting the first witness PATTERNS is why many are doubting. One needs that first pattern of the WW1 “problem” to resolve, to present the League of Nations “solution”.

The PATTERN of the GLOBAL FORMULA is used over and over again, but this time world government will be the solution. And like WW1 the “problem” of the future, will also be a GREAT DISTRACTION from the real development meaning.

All the premature forecasts fail as God allows this to go the full course for that purpose, and the purpose of “rocking” some awake to reality. (Hag2:7) And the simplicity of the fact world government will complete, and will trigger Christ, will become understandable by many who are to be new to all this.

Of course Satan and the wildbeast will try to impede the final “good news” summary, but God will ensure it goes forth, and those you can effect can see it all “come true” over these final years so they too can “get their ducks in a row”.

But this one is the real thing, in that it is the end of this period of human rulership, just as forewarned in 1914, with plenty of time to embrace the fact, rather than dodge and waffle and discredit the warning of 1914. They have people doubting a “date”, a 1914 year, when the clear SOVEREIGN WARNING, is what also get’s doubted by association. And that is why they do that, and why Bethel hypocrisy aids the doubting process.

They fit into place as apostates led by King North expert deceivers, right in the WTBTS ministerial administration. They are a collective slave, that will show up with ZERO “minas”, because it looks like the place will be pillaged to the floor tile.

Imagine a slave that doesn’t even show up, with what was originally given him? It’ll be worse than that “1 mina” “sluggish slave”. God will bless your ministry as you turn the mina into 100 in Christ. Keep up the enthusiasm and spirit, because this is only going to get more and more interesting. The Bethel soap opera is better than a movie, it is the real thing of final apostasy.



Events of divine rejection are coming on the Governing Body and the profaned UN NGO JW ministry as the JW org visible target of the “trampling” of Daniel 8:13-14 as Daniel 11:41.

But the Bethel “evil slave” and “five foolish virgins” HQ, will try to sell that to JWs as “the end” too soon as per 2 Thess2:1-2.

1. They will tell JWs it is Daniel 11:44 and the “Gog attack” of a coalition of nations.

2. They will not tell JWs King North is world government 8th King, and that the 7th King is required to fall.

3. Instead they will sell the 7th King “sword stroke” downfall as “the end” as well, as they are expelled before all onlookers.

4. They will not tell JWs this full 7th head sword stroke heals into world government.

World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

Before that arrives, JW will be tossed into a global HOAX, for the 3.19 years minimum of Daniel 8:13-14 “evening” of darkness. (Dan8:26)

The GB experiment will be removed and exposed after the recovery begins.


Russia Framed as King North—The Purpose


[QUOTE who=”Dogen”]<quoted text>
REv 17:8-18 is referring to Rome.
Dan 11:45 was filled LONG LONG ago.
Likewise 1Thess5:1-3 was fulfilled in the first century A.D.
Learn to life with disappointment, my little deluded friend.[/QUOTE]

There is no consensus on such “sluggish slave” thinking:

“11:31-45 The remainder of this prophecy is very difficult, and commentators differ much respecting it. From Antiochus the account seems to pass to antichrist. ”

Rome has no gold by the way. (Dan11:42-43)

The final global gold bullion ruler, will be who fulfills that prophecy, the final financial elites of the world government architects of Anglo-America, who use US and EU downfall to secure the final financial system of Revelation 13:15-18 by use of Daniel 11:42-43 in the future.

Go back to sleep, we will even let you nap through the important meeting of Daniel 12:1,11.

The modern anointed Christian ministry is “invaded” next, as Daniel 11:41 and Daniel 8:13-14, which latter prophecy is timed for the doubters.

Looks like the way you are going you are going to be the “slave” who shows up with ZERO minas. And why? Because of buying the bull you just stated.


Temple Judgment to World Government to Christ Arrival

8th King/King North World Government as Simple as Possible

The 8th King World Government: Convergence of Global Sovereignty— Convergence of All Bible Prophecy Symbolisms


Well such a use of fear mongering boils down to the use of fear. The “problem” “reaction” “soltuion” formula capitalizes on the FEAR in the “problem” to in time present the HOPE in the “solution” in the “reaction” as people believe the “solution” was always there.
In religions (not the Bible), they will be used to promote the FEAR hyping “doomsday” expectation with the world war “problem”, which HOPEFUL GLOBAL “solution” will instead be the result, by INSTEAD of “doomsday”, global recovery and world government. Though such church premature expectations as “the end” and the “rapture” will certainly fail, the Bible forecast runs all the way to world government.
But I hope we can see the final “problem” “solution” formula now being set up FOR FUTURE USE.
So just because some corporate religions hi-jack prophecy to serve their own fear mongering purposes (for profit, btw), it does not mean the Bible’s forecast of world government to trigger the Christ arrival, is being accurately represented by the religions. For it is NOT.
And this is why the final cycle coming up, has to go all the way through nation-state system downfall “problem” all the way to the world government “solution”, which will allow the complete failure of all corporate Christian religious forecasts that are premature, now being proffered globally.
And to date, they are all premature and ambiguous in their many guesses and claims. (But more than just religions amp up the doomsday hype)
So they serve the purpose of instead, presenting “the solution”, world government, as if “God’s Kingdom on earth” with the “Israel” prop and carrot to lead those deluded still at that time to world government, the diehards, because by that time that will be the only prop left for them to use, everything else, including “the rapture” will have failed. (we are talking 10 to 19 years here, plus minus, from meltdown time begun)
In this way, by this very dialectic, the rival global sovereign system can present itself in great hope, while cloaked all the while in religious error and diversion, always one step ahead of the masses.
Thus under the “one world religion” directive of the “one world government”, Christendom and the rest of the corporate religious complex can be deposed and removed for the “one world religion”, as their delusion complex served the ends of the world government “solution” presentation for their sector of, by then diminishing influence.
They use religions all the way to the fullness of world government, by constant malleable “re-forecasting” and spin and waffle.
I say “diehards”, because as Christian prophecy fails, year over year, many people will leave the corporate pantheon of Christian religions, only the diehards will stick around for the “Israel” carrot to be used to lead them into world government as the “crown jewel” “nation restored!!!”. (of course for that particular sector of global Christendom and Zionist based delusion.)
And since this thing is going for the full course of the next 10 years and more from nation-state meltdown activation in full globally, maybe as long as say 15-19 years from that activation time, people can watch how this drawn out process will allow the total discrediting of many religious prophecies as their forecasts fail due to premature expectation, not because the prophecy was invalid, but because the application was applied too soon.
This is going to be a global “marathon” to world government.
World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3; Dan12:11), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.
And that is all that people need to jot down, because that is where the marathon must go: FULLY GLOBALLY IMPLEMENTED WORLD GOVERNMENT.
Failures along the way, can still be used to help some people become aware as this really winds all the way down to world government.
People will face NWO world government final agenda, before they will see Christ, it is that simple, and because of that many can be saved because God’s goal is salvation, NOT human destruction.
As we know, human destruction at global scale is the NWO agenda. (Matt24:21-22)
Of course religions always try to pin global destruction on God.
So we know who they are really working for, for the NWO.
Religions are a tool of the NWO. If they are not causing doubts and discrediting, or diverting and causing coma and division, then they are promoting the “doomsday” idea and the premature “the end” hoax primer all too soon, all for the same NWO objective.
That is why it is good to keep Bible prophecy, and religious fantasies, SEPARATED, for they are two completely different things. It is also good to keep religions and GOD separated as well, they too are two diametric “entities”, they are NOT in agreement. 
In other words, there is no such thing as “doomsday” as taught by various corporate fear mongers, not just religions.


[QUOTE who=”Dogen”]<quoted text>
Craziness is often discredited as crazy. This stuff is just your psychotic imagination. You can weave any design out of quotes from the Bible. You have made a mess.
You simply do not have the mental skills to look through this pile of data and discern something nearer the truth. Sad for you.[/QUOTE]

Actually it is in complete harmony with the “first witness” of anointed Christians who emerged in prophecy after 1914.

You are the one who does not understand how the truth of prophecy and the world events of world government significance, must harmonize across ALL prophecy, because you have not even made the “first witnessing” awareness of modern propehcy fulfilling, that emerged with Jehovah’s witnesses, now themselves in a second apostasy, that precedes the final witnessing of the TWO witnesses.

If you cannot see the original apostasy in the Christendom ideas you promote, you will not understand where it is Jehovah’s witnesses have deviated from their own former truth. You will see JWs diverting from the errors that are the basis of your “truth” of the original Christendom error, that CT Russell and others were exposing since the 1870s.

This final forecast is not “ideas”, it is AWARENESS the original propehcy REPEATS.

The prophecy of 1914-1919 in 5 places in cross referenceable “1260 days” parallel prophecy (Dan7:25, Dan12:7; Rev11:7, Rev12:6,14; Rev13:5-7) repeats a final warning in the future, of also 1260 days.

This forecast just harmonizes this with 7th King downfall, to enable 8th King world government global rise.

That final “second witness” warning will emerge from the Bethel apostasy removed as timed in Daniel 8:13-14. It STARTS Revelation 8-11 as the Rev8 temple judgment parallel.

It will emerge in the global crisis comign up (Matt24:29; Dan12:1), and it will clarify into the final 1260 days final warning (Rev10:11; Rev11:2-3) as world government is the product of this global crisis of the US EU financial national-system downfall into a final “sword stroke”. (Rev13:3; Rev17:8-12 parallel)

None of that registers in your head, because you are not staying awake, and are subject to an old error already fully exposed by Jehovah’s witnesses, who now have devolved themselves into a ministerial apostasy by their leadership, with a UN alliance, similar to the Christendom apostasy they now merely joined again.

That is why this goes the full course, so some sleepers can awake in the multi-year final process:

(Haggai 2:7) . . .“‘And I will rock all the nations, and the desirable things of all the nations must come in; and I will fill this house with glory,’ Jehovah of armies has said.

Since you know nothing about modern prophecy, you are no judge of what makes sense concerning the sovereign prophecy that heralds Christ certain arrival.

World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

If you cannot figure it out over these final years, then you will have to consider another solution: you will instead accept world government. It is one way, or the other, at that time. (Rev14:9-11; Rev13:15-18; Dan11:45=Dan12:11)

For now, many are misled including JWs, but your off course route is far deeper in being in the total dark.


UN-fortunately it is impossible to defend the 1944-1976 Governing Body experiment. The experiment has failed, but like Thelma and Louise it has not hit bottom just yet. But it will.

The Governing Body Experiment—1944 to Present

As it all crashes they will sell the end of the Bethel apostasy as if it is “the end of the world brothers!” “congratulations!”.

The whole GB thing is now a reproaching distraction. When Bethel finally got a totally global audience listening after 1950, the GB decided to start talking about themselves and their JW “organ”, rather than God’s Kingdom.

It is now ridiculous how much they put themselves in the global spotlight like a circus of CEOs who need all the attention they can get, all the time, “kiss me, kiss me everyone!, kiss me, kiss me”. Poor guys. Sad.

The GB experiment is a case study of corporate folly, trying to cloak itself in the “we are God’s chosen” veneer, while they soak JWs for every last dime.

What a farce of apostasy. Now instead of talking the Kingdom and explaining prophecy, it is ALL BOUT TRYING TO DEFEND THE BETHEL PIRACY.

Bethel Record Main Source of Opposition; Changes Nature of the JW Discussion

Can you imagine what’s going to happen to the GB when God gets a hold of them? It is NOT going to be pretty. (Dan8:13-14)


[QUOTE who=”Blue Danube”]
A very appropriate comment in regards to the shunning arrangement.

It’s not up to parents to decide whether their own conscience would allow them to talk to their son or daughter who is sinning, they allow the organization to make that decision for them.

It is not even up to the parents to decide whether they can talk to their son or daughter who has shown to them that they are no longer sinning, regret what they have done and repented to God. It is only the elders that make that decision for them and that is only on the basis that the son or daughter attends meetings and do everything else as required by the elders.

In theory the parents may not even know what sin was even committed so couldn’t even begin to make a conscience decision on anything even if they were allowed to do so.

It’s crazy and doesn’t allow a person to even use their conscience on some of the most important issues in their life.


Well it certainly is not freewill worship. It is no longer worship at all. (Dan8:12) It is the same thing the Papacy pulled in the 12th century to 19th century: INQUISITION. It is like the churches have people showing up who want to show up, and JWs show up “or else”.

Like boiling a frog, this morphology is very gradual in JWs, and can be traced to the SAME TRICK the Papacy used, a so-called “governing body” concept (1944), actually from Christendom, that also uses such ministerial control “bodies” in such corporate “boards”. “synods” and “councils” they ALL utilize now.

The Governing Body Experiment—1944 to Present

When one sees that Bethel ALREADY had a couple “board of directors” attempted coups from 1880 to 1917, no wonder the WTBTS “board” had to wait until JF Rutherford died in 1942, to even present the “governing body” idea to JWs in [[[1944]]].


Everything else is to keep JWs blackmailed, under fear, and under all kinds of fleshly distractions, as a Bethel private “Law Covenant” that actually encourage sins, as Paul spoke in Romans 7. JWs are then taught to play holier than thou as if the flesh has been mastered by them. OF COURSE, as per the Adamic state, the PLACE IS FULL OF HIDDEN SINS!!!

And why? Because JWs are in fear of men, by use of an overblown “punishment” system that puts sins undercover, and allows the big ones, like child abuse, to be “swept under the rug”. Now the GB created all this coercion AS THEY CAME INTO COUP POWER IN 1976-1981.


And why so many bones and “dead sheep”??? Because the Satanic purpose of the GB “Inquisition” is to promote HIDING SINS. JWs act like they are already perfect! PURE FANTASY, THEY ARE JUST AS FLESHLY AS ANY ADAMIC MAN!



But God did permit the ERROR. (for a future temple judgment reason) First the GB error is allowed to “go to them” JWs. Then, [[later]] “they might get to believing the lie”.

From Simple Error to Full Blown LIE. How?

And this is because it is “gradually given over” (Dan8:12) to full blown subversion later, as is now the case in JWs. And as it gets OBVIOUS the GB experiment of 1976 HAS FAILED IN GLOBAL REPROACH, UN NGO, AND FULL BLOWN APOSTASY, and they DO NOTHING!!—THEN it becomes a LIE.

God gave time to see all this since 2001, in UN NGO and pedophiles, and yet NOTHING changes. NOW it is time for God to “reform” the place by massive anti-JW-org JUDGMENT (Dan8:13-14 as Dan11:41), there first, as a sign for later. (1Pet4:17; Isa28)

And Bethel? They will sell their divine REJECTION, as “it is the end of the world brothers!!!”, Daniel 11:44! Gog attacks!!!!!

When in fact they are going down for FULL BLOWN LAWLESS APOSTASY! (Even a UN partnership)


[QUOTE who=”lovewithin”]<quoted text>y”
Are you this OVER-BEARING in person?
A person that is still a JW , is NOT a “Trustworthy” person, nor are they BELIEVABLE….
on Prophesying …or ANYTHING that has to do with GOD and His word.
You are showing signs of STILL being a JW. We have ALL see in your POST …LIES…and just plain
Stupidity in EXPLAINING the bible.
You are not worthy of explaining the INFO you are TRYING to convey to us.

You better pack three pairs of shorts. I am cordial compared to many “textually abusive” folks here. What is overbearing is you facing judgment with everyone else, and not according to your fantasy version.

That is why you better pack a thick diaper, it is all going to get very very real and drag on like a marathon to world government. You will know when it starts: Bethel will go down in a global storm just starting at that time. (Dan11:41-43)

Prophecy is propehcy. JWs just so happened to take prophecy further than anyone else in history, UNTIL they went into GB Bethel led apostasy.

JWorg goes down, as the final cycle to world government begins the true trajectory to Armageddon. Christians going into approval, taking YEARS, cannot just remain stalled in the ideas many here promote, as if nothing is ever going to happen.

Once the roller coaster starts, there is no getting off the ride, even now the world is trapped in, and ready for the final cycle.

World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

[QUOTE who=”Lordylordy9111″]<quoted text>
Again the “two holy ones” @Daneil 8:13-14 are most likely the “two witnesses” who are speaking of the 2300 days of trampling the sanctuary and the holy ones in the sanctuary gave it up to apostasy. The 2300 days are prophetic so it would be speaking of who and what is leading the trampling (KN) and apostasy (GB). The KN is leading the trampling. There are “two” special components within KN. They are the 10th king (one king) and his kingdom. The 10th king had not recieved his kingdom and when it does it give his authority and his kingdoms authority to the wild beast (KN·8th king). The wild beast needed the 10th king and his kingdoms authority to have the power to go global. The 10th king and his kingdom had a baby. All of this comes together in the 10th king’s “one hour” that IS the prophetic 2300 days or 6 1/2 years (Revelation 17:12).[/QUOTE]

We NOW KNOW, from the world government formula of “problem” then “solution” presented as in WW1, WW2 AND COLD WAR, “the end” is the scare tactic in that global “sword stroke” PROBLEM coming up, AGAIN, to resolve, AGAIN, into the WORLD GOVERNMENT “SOLUTION”.

Now one does not need to be a prophecy tracker, even the world understands the “problem” “reaction” “solution” formula:


What is the Hegelian Dialectic?

Thesis, antithesis, synthesis,_antithesis,_synthesis

In fact THE WORLD RESEARCHERS are better explaining the final global use of this world government formula, of the future, world-war-to-world-government, BETTER and more complete than stalled UN NGO JWs and Bethel.

1. That is why WW1 “problem” resolved into? 1919 League of Nations “solution” of budding world government, first step. (Rev13:11-15; Dan12:11, first round)

2. That is why WW2 “problem” resolved into? 1945 United Nations “solution” second step to world government. (Rev17:8-11 preview)

3. That is why the “Cold War”, a 3rd cycle of “problem” (threat of nuclear war), resolved a THIRD TIME, into the 1990 United Nations THIRD STEP, to world government.

Which they termed as the “New World Order” mantra, again. (This is the one Bethel will not reveal as Daniel 11:31b (UN 3rd step), and Daniel 8:23 (UN 3rd step), as rather, they became UN NGO partner sponsors, marking the final apostasy. (Dan11:30b-32a; Dan8:12))

4. We are now at a REPEAT of that same “problem” (sword stroke), to “solution”: WORLD GOVERNMENT IN FULL, formula, A FOURTH TIME NOW. (Dan11:41-45 (UN 4th step); Dan12; Dan8:25 (UN 4th step) Rev17:8-18, in full, final round)

(So Daniel 11:31-45, and Daniel 8:23-25 are actually the 3rd and 4th UN step, final sequence, to world government, that Bethel bypasses, fully since 1990, as apostate UN NGO wildbeast latest “harlot”.)

It is not “the end”, that global “doomsday” fear tactic “problem” exacerbation (Rev13:3), just aids the global-distraction. It allows great global hope to form, as “doomsday” does NOT manifest as fearfully expected. Instead this cycle produces world government in its fourth AND FINAL step to full global implementation, over a final cycle of that SAME PROBLEM-TO-SOLUTION GLOBAL FORMULA.

It is now PREDICTABLE, by more than just prophecy, it is a REPEATING GLOBAL FORMULA as well, used to present world government after they scare the hell out of the world with this coming global crisis “problem” phase. Thus the prophecy also nails the formula, as seen since the WW1 cycle produced the League of Nations; and the prophecy ALSO REPEATS as they REPEAT the world government global-formula one more time, the last time.

[QUOTE=Thinking;14564]Im trying not to get excited with this….I have read so many variations from so many brothers and sisters…and been let down time and time again….
.I know from my own limited understanding …things are developing …..but are you saying here….we are at the wormwood stage?????..are the waters now becoming bitter …….has that officially started..?..

thinking ..[/QUOTE]

Well let us see what many are now agreeing on:

1. Apostate Bethel is ready for “Jehovah’s judgment”, it is not “the end” of the world, it is the end of the Bethel well justified (Dan11:32a) and “gradually given over” subversion of JWs (Dan8:12) to even joining the UN as a 3rd UN placement sponsor of 1990 as a United Nations of Non-Kingdom Organizations member (UN NGO).

Many agree Bethel is now a DISTRACTION and a GLOBAL SCALE STALLED reproach.

When Bethel finally got a totally global audience listening after 1950, the GB decided to start talking about themselves and their JW “organ” instead, rather than God’s Kingdom, which became ENFORCED in 1976 GB coup of that time. It’s all about the so-called “Governing Body Show” now.

It is now ridiculous how much they put themselves in the global spotlight like a circus of CEOs who need all the attention they can get, all the time, “kiss me, kiss me everyone!, kiss me, kiss me”. Poor guys. Sad, actually.


The GB experiment is a case study in terminal corporate folly, trying to cloak itself in the “we are God’s chosen” veneer (to CONTROL JWs), while they soak JWs for every last dime (to the tune of a few billion dollars now). Many are now starting to agree Bethel has now become a global-farce of SERIOUS apostasy and reproach distraction. 

Now instead of talking the Kingdom and explaining prophecy, it is ALL BOUT TRYING TO DEFEND THE BETHEL PIRATES (which is impossible) and their main scandals. 

Take a look on the internet? What is the talk all about? BETHEL SCANDALS, UN NGO, PEDOPHILES. 

The very nature of the ministry, has been derailed into a worldwide GB “damage control” “ministry”. 



2. So many agree Bethel has turned into an actually criminal Circus of Diversion. (“The Watchtower” and Awake! are just the parrot Kool Aid, to aid the illusion and conceal the act)

IF it is “the end”, then even JWs are NOT going to make it. 

But it is not “the end”, it is a signal of needed temple purification (Zech3:1-3), hence Daniel 8:13-14 parallel of the coming final purification. (Mal3:1-5)

3. Many agree God will have to clean out that apostate Bethel “den of thieves” house; and that first in the process (1Pet4:17). 

They are NOT going to change or reform on their own, they are “confirmed drunkards” who even say an “evil slave class” is now an impossibility. (Matt24:48-51) They are “three times removed”, in their own citadel of aloof GB isolation, from the average JW. No one can “get thru” to those celebrity blind clowns leading blind clowns in their own “clique”.

So what I would say, is do not buy the Bethel JW delusion cover: “it is the end of the world brothers!”. (see 2Thess2:1-2) That is all the smokescreen for the end of Bethel’s apostasy, to conceal its meaning as long as they can, among JWs “at that time” and later. (Dan8:14,26 “evening” darkness phase)

Instead it is the START of the overall judgment phase (1Pet4:17), and it will take God to expose Bethel fully and globally in ruin (2Thess2:3-4), for what they really are, and do not get sucked into the JW org “at that time” (Matt24:15; get out NOW, it is not going to “get better” and “cure itself”, it is the terminal final apostasy signal):


WT quote (WT 11/15/2013, pg. 20, par. 17, #3): 

“”Elders who are reading this article can draw some useful conclusions from the account we have just considered:…

[And sandwiched into the admonishment:]

(3) At that time, the lifesaving direction that we receive from Jehovah’s organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint. All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not. 

Or, in other words: “At that time” “soon, very soon” (WT 7/15/15), the supposed “lifesaving direction” that we receive from “the compromised UN NGOrganization” may SOUND SHEER CRAZY from a human standpoint. PAY NO MIND. All of us must be ready to obey any and all instructions we may receive, whether these appear INSANE from a strategic or human standpoint or not. 


What more man trusting, Organizational Wormwood do we really need? 


Obviously, it is not “far fetched” to see that possibly, compromised Bethel, is planning to use the JW org obedience structure, to herd JWs to GLOBAL ATTEMPTED capture, as Bethel crashes the JW org (Dan8:13-14), using the premature “the end” delusion (2Thess2:1-2) to provide the smokescreen upon JWs, A HOAX, for the full “trampling” operation, taking a few years. 

4. What it will be, as many can also agree, is God globally rejecting the Bethel idols. Think God buys that “it was for the UN Library card” excuse for the UN NGO sponsorship?. 

It is the temple judgment coming up. STAY AWAKE. Pray hard. Bethel is now telling lies (Rev2:2) to cover their REQUIRED downfall and to trap JWs “at that time”. (2Thess2:11-12) It is only going to get worse on that doomed UN allied “organ” of idolatry.

Coming “8th King” world government, after this global crash cycle (Rev13:3; Rev17:8-12) of REQUIRED “7th King” fall (Dan11:42-43), is what Bethel is also concealing from JW awareness, in lieu of their JW fantasy and hoax set up, to coup JWs as well, all they can snag in the Bethel global spider web.

And all the while they will tell JWs “it is the end!”; “it is Dan11:44 brothers!”; “attack of Gog brothers!”

THAT is the Bethel smokescreen to sell the “trampling” as if “the end”. Bethel will try to sell JWs their end, as if it is THE “end”. But as per 2Thess2:1-2, it is all premature and deceptive. Instead Bethel apostasy has to be exposed first, in full, by God and Christ. (2Thess2:3-4)

And that takes a few years as JWs start to sober up to the real reality that the final cycle has JUST BEGUN, it was not “the end” but of Bethel apostasy.

Now people have varying opinions on where we are in prophecy, but in generic form many KNOW Bethel is coming UNDER DIVINE JUDGMENT. NO WAY ARE THEY IN GOD’S GOOD GRACES NOW. And that is why God also lets the “error go to them” too, that they get to drinking their own Kool Aid, too. 

God makes sure the “evil slave” GB stay blind. Because they gotta go, for good—the 1944-1976 to present “GB Experiment” in “rule by committee” has now fully failed.



Anyone with faith stored on “Bethel Titanic” and its GB “Captain Slave”, will lose that faith. NO FAITH should be given the GB or the “Org”, PERIOD, it is going down for that very idolatrous reason. It has morphed into full blown idolatrous apostasy, very smoothly, over just 40 years time.

It is NOT the same ministry as 1914-1969, plain and simple. Great grand ma old school Jehovah’s witness, would be shocked, if she saw today’s Bethel. They did it like boiling the JW frog, very very gradually, yet consistent draw to ever increasing worship of GB “Slave” “gives us this that and the other thing”.


[QUOTE who=”Dogen”]<quoted text>
All we have established is that you have religious delusions.[/QUOTE]

1. What we have established is Christendom is centuries BEHIND reality, and

2. JW Bethel is four decades behind reality.

JW Bethel goes down first as a signal, that takes three years to run the “trampling” phase of Daniel 8:13-14, from the time they cancel the JW ministry, or make a bold anti-JW org action, or both.

They have both stalled true Christian progress.

But the JW anointed Christian ministry can be recovered (Rev9) as to its 1914-1969 introduction (first witness) for the second witnessing final summary (Rev10:5-11) and global open salvation call. (Rev11:1-7)

The world is heading to world government, and that entity triggers Christ arrival. The ministries and individuals in the biggest error, will be the most likely to resist any hint of Christ’s arrival being made more real in world government “ascension” as the US/EU system financial meltdown drags the world in the “tribulation of those days” which resolves into UN “world peace and security” and thus the Christ arrival of Matthew 24:29-31 sequence as Matthew 24:31 is the Revelation 14 final sequence.

The original JW ministry allowed that pattern to be known now, before it manifests in the future. Christendom’s job is to cover it all up, so they can present 666 world government as if “God’s Kingdom” and “Zion” by use of the “Israel” decoy.

That error is very old. The JW Bethel error is recent. Same purpose, cover up the true meaning of World Government and its finalization process coming up.

This unfolds for several last years, so many sleepers can catch on as the inevitable arrives.


[QUOTE who=”Blue Danube”]
It’s crazy and doesn’t allow a person to even use their conscience on some of the most important issues in their life.

What is disturbing is that the Bethel GB “gatekeepers” cannot see the damage their scandals and ice cold policies are having on the JW ministry. Now there are more xJWs than there are JWs.

Who is so undiscerning and evil as to sit at Bethel and justify evil policy that OBVIOUSLY stumbles millions of people, and turned JWs into a high control Cult of The Governing Body worship?

This LIE is so BIG, and hidden in plain sight, it is hard for JWs to just admit the basic truth, the only answer is the GB is the “evil slave” apostasy. There is no other way to answer the dilemma in fullest form.

Now when we examine the full “Governing Body” HISTORY in JWs since 1944 FIRST MENTIONING, we see a “JW History” is being FABRICATED.

And the FABRICATION is PROTECTED from exposure and removal by the Bethel stranglehold policy, plain and simple, and the GB is DESTROYING the JW ministry by reproach and scandal first.

THAT is how we know the “Governing Body History” holds the clue to the downfall of the JW ministry, first in real lawlessness, and then in God permitted corporate desolation, when the GB will FINISH the coup they started in 1976, by use of a concept that emerged in JWs in 1944, two years after JF Rutherford died, because JF knew the nature of “board of directors” coup developments.

The GB is a WTBTS “board of directors” COUP, illegal, non-Biblical except for being APOSTASY CENTRAL CONTROL, and doomed by God, to be judged, removed and 100% exposed for what they are” ILLEGAL USURPERS AND RUINERS OF THE JW MINISTRY.

That is why the GB ignore their horrendous negative stumbling apostasy, they are EVIL. Plain and simple, nothing more, nothing less: THE CENTRAL COUP CELL OF BETHELL PURE BRED SATANIC INSPIRED EVIL, and well concealed by use of BLATANT DECEPTION, CONTROL AND LAWLESS POLICY. (Zech3:1-3; 2Thess2:1-4,9,11-12; 2Cor11:13-15)

A LIE, while claiming to be “apostles”:

(Revelation 2:2) . . .‘I know your deeds, and your labor and endurance, and that you cannot bear bad men, and that you put those to the test who say they are apostles, but they are not, and you found them liars.


Major Prophetic Milestones to Armageddon

Connecting Bethel Lawlessness to Final Prophecy

Daniel 8:13-14 Details the Coming Temple Judgment of Jehovah’s Witnesses


[QUOTE who=”Olin Moyle”]
As shown above, Watchtower teaches that “many of the earliest members” of the great crowd–namely, those who were members of the great crowd in 1935–will survive into the new earth. The “Survival” book also states that the early members of that group were in their 60s, 70s, and older in 1984. So, 31 years later, the YOUNGEST of these folks are in their 90s, 100s, and older.[/QUOTE]

Now as far as “JW Mind Control”, such an ASSUMPTION merely REINFORCES in the JW “Grey Matter” a PREMATURE “the end of the world” SEVERE JW EXPECTATION COMPLEX.

Such a hyped up “over excitation” reduces JWs endurance, and makes JWs controllable for other purposes that can develop well BEFORE “the end” actually comes.

Hence Paul’s warning on this very delusion, and NOT to buy the “the end” hype, which Bethel is now selling in amplified form:

(2 Thessalonians 2:1-2) . . .However, brothers, respecting the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we request of YOU 2 not to be quickly shaken from YOUR reason nor to be excited either through an inspired expression or through a verbal message or through a letter as though from us, to the effect that the day of Jehovah is here.

And why is that?

Because such a delusion co-develops, instead, with the final apostasy, the one up at Bethel, that has yet to be 100% “revealed” in time:

(2 Thessalonians 2:3) . . .Let no one seduce YOU in any manner, because it will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed. . .

So, in effect, JWs are now “mind controlled”, by the Bethel “The End Hype”, to be malleable for other purposes when Bethel is sacked as a corporate total takeover.

And because the “This Generation—Hourglass to Armageddon” , which this “great crowd” hype fits into, is NOT the only example of “‘The End’ Predictive Programming for JW Dummies”:

Russia Framed as King North—The Purpose

We know it is an ENGINEERED delusion, specialized for “JW Hoax Creation”, for the near future.

Something is coming on the JW org, but it will only be its end, not the end of the world.

THAT is the purpose of the delusion.

To sell JWs the end of the JW org, and to conceal its real meaning, in lieu of the “it is simply the whole end of the whole world brothers!” smokescreen of JW delusion.


I think women, in general, are too damn smart to want anything to do with Bethel “rulership”, they are lucky they have not been dragged into such a mess.

The solution is to REPORT REAL CRIMES, TO REAL CIVIL AUTHORITIES. No need of dragging any poor woman into the mess. And no need of the ludicrous Bethel “Judiciary”, in matters of CAESARS LAW!

Bethel does not pay back to Caesar what is Caesars. Nope, they gotta rule the whole JW chicken coup, playing GB God Almighty.

And now the joke is being told for public censure, and Bethel exposure.

What woman in her right mind wants to get dragged into that Bethel “True Turd Bomb” exploding now?


In fact EVERYONE should now vacate the doomed Bethel hypocrite farce of “a system of things”.

(Matthew 13:39-40) . . .The harvest is A conclusion of A system of things, and the reapers are angels.

40 Therefore, just as the weeds are collected and burned with fire, so it will be in THE conclusion of THE system of things.

But the Bethel “a conclusion of a system of things”, comes first, next. (Matt24:15)

Trey Smith did a pretty good video on “Noah Flood” evidence and the big problems with the “GuessWorks” of human chronology:

NOAH: the TRUTH is BIGGER than you thought……the JourNey BeGins

What it boils down to is something HUGE happened not that long ago. It appears Genesis 10 is the real history of global national “Origin of Nations”. They walked out of “Noah’s Ark” just as God Almighty has said.

And the story is not done, it is building to Genesis 11 World Government again, the final affront on the Kingdom of God Almighty and His Son Jesus Christ.

World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

Let us try to JOT IT DOWN this time:

(Matthew 24:37-39) For just as the days of Noah were, so the ARRIVAL of the Son of man will be. 38 For as they were in those days before the flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark;

39 and THEY TOOK NO NOTE until the flood came and swept them all away, so the ARRIVAL of the Son of man will be.


[QUOTE who=”HopeReigns”]<quoted text>
How can it trigger the Christ’s arrival if he Michael?
How can it trigger the Christ’s arrival if he already arrived and chose the JW as his people in 1914 / 1919?[/QUOTE]

The parousia is the warning preview of Christ in God’s Kingdom.

When Christ arrives “in the inhabited earth” it will be in the MESSIANIC Kingdom, the entity that rules this universe, not heaven.

There are two Kingdoms as clearly found in the Bible, and in JW theology as a truth.

That is why there are TWO of many things set to manifest there final time in the future:

Have you ever wondered why the now opened seven seal scroll has TWO sides?

(Revelation 5:1) And I saw in the right hand of the One seated upon the throne a scroll written within and on the reverse side, sealed tight with seven seals.

Have you ever wondered why there are TWO witnesses?

(Revelation 11:3) And I will cause my TWO witnesses to prophesy a thousand two hundred and sixty days dressed in sackcloth.” Have you ever wondered why TWO “wings of the great eagle” deliver the “woman” for 1260 days?

(Revelation 12:14) But the TWO wings of the great eagle were given the woman, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place; there is where she is fed for a time and times and half a time away from the face of the serpent.

Have you ever wondered why the commission of God is the “you must prophesy AGAIN” at Revelation 10:11?

(Revelation 10:11) And they say to me: “You must prophesy AGAIN with regard to peoples and nations and tongues and many kings.”

Have you ever wondered why Christ has TWO “triumphal entries” in Revelation; One with a “bow” (a long range weapon) and one with a “sword” (a close range weapon)?

1. God’s Kingdom Phase:

(Revelation 6:2) And I saw, and, look! a white horse; and the one seated upon it had a bow; and a crown was given him, and he went forth conquering and to complete his conquest.

2. Messianic Kingdom Phase:

(Revelation 19:11-15) And I saw the heaven opened, and, look! a white horse. And the one seated upon it is called Faithful and True, and he judges and carries on war in righteousness. 12 His eyes are a fiery flame, and upon his head are many diadems. He has a name written that no one knows but he himself, 13 and he is arrayed with an outer garment sprinkled with blood, and the name he is called is The Word of God. 14 Also, the armies that were in heaven were following him on white horses, and they were clothed in white, clean, fine linen. 15 And out of his mouth there protrudes a sharp long sword, that he may strike the nations with it, and he will shepherd them with a rod of iron.

Have you ever considered the final required “seven times” is TWO “time, times and half a time” 3.5 time periods? (Dan7:25, Dan12:7, Rev11:2-3, Rev12:14, Rev13:5-7)

Why all the TWOs?

Because there are TWO Kingdoms in prophecy! (Dan2:31-44; Luke22:28-30; Zech6:1-8)

(Daniel 2:45) out of the mountain (God’s Kingdom) a stone (Messianic Kingdom) was cut not by hands…

(Daniel 2:35) as for the [Messianic Kingdom] stone that struck the image, it became a large mountain [Messianic Kingdom; Rev11:15] and filled the whole earth.

(Daniel 2:44) the God of heaven (already in His Kingdom) will set up a (Christ’s) kingdom that will never be brought to ruin.

Messianic Kingdom completes as the 8th King also completes. That is the full “second coming” in that second Kingdom entity full global power, AFTER they are complete in 8th King world government, and ready for universal war with God and Jesus Christ, then full, KING of kings, in that Kingdom Messianic.

Now that JWs could explain the summary, the have the APOSTATE GOVERNING BODY ruining, and derailing their progress, when it is all 1+1 SIMPLE now to see.

Why TWO Witnesses?

Click to access why_two_witnesses_revelation11.pdf



JWs went off the rails, at the first GB “track” “switch” of 1944.

By 1976, when the GB set up themselves for worship and prominence among JWs, it became a budding cult.

Along with the new “GBChrist” in town, came the Cult of the Governing Body “legal system” to keep their mits on the billions, by enforcement of “excommunication”; just a Bethel Inquisition, to keep the Cult Rulers in the perch, and on the “Throne of Bethel”. (Hos1:4-7)

Everything bad began to bud, in 1944. Once Bethel got a true global audience after 1950, and Rutherford had died, they started to talk about God’s Kingdom?

Nope, they began to talk about the “GOVERNING BODY” :

“In the year 1944 the Watchtower magazine began to speak about the governing body of the Christian congregation.”


Rather than continue to focus on God and Christ, the Governing Body put the SPOTLIGHT on themselves, like celebrity glory hounds. Very simple; “bait and switch” to the new celebrity “GB Christ”, all circa 1944-1976 to today’s JW Bethell Ruination Machine.

Now modern JWs think “it has always been just like this since 1914!! Heck, it always been EXACTLY like this, since Acts 15 44 CE!!!!”





The Governing Body Experiment—1944 to Present

[QUOTE who=”Nedoba “]<quoted text>
As the economy continues to fail and the JW’s family budgets are becoming far less adequate to handle their basic needs….and despite the hefty selling prices the Org has raked in from their prime real estate dealings….the poor JWs are still being “reminded” to give more money to supposedly support the elusive sounding “worldwide work” that goes straight to the Org’s bank accounts. Of course, it never occurs to the fleeced members that the men handling these funds are always considered as 100% honest and above reproach despite the fact that the R&F JWs never ever get to see exactly how their donations are spent and where the bulk of this money goes.

At Bethel CSI we can trace the GB DNA to actually 1884? the first century?

Nope, 1944:

“In the year 1944 the Watchtower magazine began to speak about the governing body of the Christian congregation.” (WT 12/15/71; when the started to “capitalize” their glory title to “Governing Body”)

Oops. Reverse. SEE THAT??? 1–9–4–4, e.g. BOARD OF DIRECTORS switchola.

JWs went off the rails, at the first GB “track” “switch” of 1944. By 1976, when the GB set up themselves for worship and prominence among JWs, it became a budding cult.

Along with the new “GBChrist” in town, came the Cult of the Governing Body “legal system” to keep their mits on the billions, by enforcement of “excommunication”; just a Bethel Inquisition, to keep the Cult Rulers on the “Throne of Bethel”. (Hos1:4-7)

Everything bad began to bud, in 1944. Once Bethel got a true global audience after 1940, and Rutherford had died in 42, they started to talk about God’s Kingdom?

Nope, they began to talk about the “GOVERNING BODY”. Oh how convenient.


Rather than continue to focus on God and Christ, the Governing Body put the SPOTLIGHT on themselves, like celebrity glory hounds. Very simple, it is a slick “time released” “bait and switch” to the new celebrity “GB Christ Gods”, all circa 1944-1976 to today’s JW Bethell Ruination Machine.

Now this is a TOTAL LIE (Let God Be True 1946):

“”””In 1884 the legal servant body of this international association was incorporated under Pennsylvania law. That non-profit corporation, Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society,

>>>>and the governing body of Jehovah’s witnesses have been inseparably associated ever since.””

[[[ Ironic, let God be found true WHILE Bethel is found liars in that exact book.]]]

Now modern JWs think “it has always been just like this since 1914!! It has always been like this, since 1844!!! Heck it has always been EXACTLY like this since Acts 15, 60 CE!!!!”









The Governing Body Experiment—1944 to Present

KEEP your EYE ON THE JW ORG, and SEE FOR YOURSELF what God does to idols in His house. Keep your eye on Bethel, it aint going to be pretty, but there is a moral to the story…(Dan8:13)


[QUOTE who=”Olin Moyle”]Has the Watchtower Society figured out who the King of the North (Daniel 11) is?
Until the early 1990s, the Society taught that the King of the North was the Soviet bloc. But that falsehood was laid bare when the Soviet bloc collapsed over TWENTY years ago.
Since then, the Society has been completely clueless as to the identity of the King of the North.
Why haven’t they been able to figure this out yet? Are they gun-shy because of their dismal track record at interpreting Bible prophecy?[/QUOTE]

Because the current “King of the North” “on hold” to be filled in with “Russia” at some point, can keep JWs too far into Daniel 11:44, which keeps the premature “end of the world” “doomsday effect” hyped in the JW “Collective Brain”.

This way they can crash the JW org, and simply tell JWs it is “the end”, the whole time.

Russia Framed as King North—The Purpose

Obviously as the world “globalizes” to the full (Rev16:13-16), all global sovereignty will equate into one equation: WORLD GOVERNMENT.

It has been obvious all Bible symbology also converges into? WORLD GOVERNMENT.

King North cannot get any more obvious as 8th King “top of the world”, “final king” WORLD GOVERNMENT.

So a “Governing Body” of “full time Bible studiers” paying attention would EASILY see this. That they ignore the King North wildbeast they ride, is because they are covering for the JW org sacking, they are all part of “King North”, they proceed from that globalist system:

(Daniel 11:32) “And those who are acting wickedly against [the] covenant (at Bethel),

he (8th King/King North)

will lead into apostasy by means of smooth words.

(The Bethel “smooth words” 8th King cover-up in the JW publications is part of the smoothly justified apostasy);

The answer is simply too simple for most JWs to accept. The GB is from the enemy system, to rob the place blind, and keep “the end” smokescrren in the JW mind, to crash the org, and simply tell JWs it is “simply the whole end of the whole world brothers and sisters!!!!”

But it will be the end of Bethel (Dan11:41 as Dan8:13-14), they will sell it to JWs as the total “end of the world!!!!!”, which it will NOT be, as King North world government is what proceeds as foretold. (Dan11:41-43)

They just toss JWs “over board” and let them figure out the riddle later. The GB is more than just corrupt, they are compromised to the full, to cancel the JW ministry, crash the org, and bewilder JWs in that process.

[QUOTE who=”dee lightful “]<quoted text> Again you divert and refuse to answer as why Isaiah 9:6 tells us Jesus is a Mighty God .
Therefore, there are
1. God the Almighty
2. Jesus the Son who is a Mighty God.
Isn’t that right, “Betheljudgment ?

And there one must understand WHICH GOD Christ worships:

(Micah 5:4) . . .“And he will certainly stand and do shepherding in the strength of Jehovah, in the superiority of the name of Jehovah his God.. . .

Christ WORSHIPS God Almighty. Christ gave SACRIFICE TO GOD ALMIGHTY, NOT the “other way around”.

Christ is DEPENDENT ON HIS FATHER. God Almighty is dependent on NO ONE.

Thus they are different persons, and have a different ultimate purpose, even if in the same will and purpose.

Christ would NEVER even think of equating his subordinate being as if “God Almighty”. And that is why God Almighty is who made Christ the “Mighty God”, and recognizes him alone as such an immortal being.

GOD did that for Christ, for reward of perfect OBEDIENCE to God Almighty, not Christ conferring such power upon himself.

Christ worships God. God worships NO ONE. And that will never change. There are two Gods, but ONLY ONE receives the “sacred service” worship.

(Luke 4:8) . . .In reply Jesus said to him: “It is written, ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him ALONE you must render sacred service.’”

Are we getting the picture yet?


[QUOTE=Frank Conger;14617]

“And the wild beast that was but is not… it is also an eighth king”.


“It” being the “wild beast” totality “is also an eighth king”.

It is as if the WHOLE “wildbeast” is the “8th” “King”. (e.g. World Government)

Now we can examine what Bethel is saying here (WT 6/15/12):

“The prophecies about the immense image and the wild beast confirm that the Anglo-American World Power will not be replaced by some future world power.” 

Is that really true?

So to them the 7th King will not be replaced by some future world power. Hence there will be no “8th King” World Government totality of the whole “scarlet wild beast”

“We are living in the days of the seventh head. No more heads will appear on this beast before it is annihilated.” 

But the 8th King is not a “head”, it is the WHOLE WILDBEAST according to that above logic of the Bible and Frank. 

So just because “no more heads” appear, does not mean the whole wildbeast has reached full maturity of a full bodied “8th King” global government.

So it appears Bethel is promoting the idea it is all done, as if “the end” is all that must now come:

“The prophecies of Daniel and John have been fulfilled to the smallest detail.”

Is that really true though? No, that is a blatant LIE. (Rev2:2)

What will happen is a final “sword stroke” on the full “7th Head” (Rev13), starts a global cycle that sends the incomplete UN into an “abyss” of inability to keep global peace, the final time, during that final global “sword stroke” coming up, to eventually “ascend” the whole “scarlet wildbeast” into full world government (Rev17:8-12; Rev11:7) with the “healing” (Rev13:3) that also comes at the end of that phase, rather than Bethel’s premature end delusion.

Bethel’s modern “its the end brothers!” hype, sure looks similar to the one at 2 Thessalonians 2:1-2:

(2 Thessalonians 2:1-2) . . .However, brothers, respecting the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we request of you 2 not to be quickly shaken from your reason nor to be excited either through an inspired expression or through a verbal message or through a letter as though from us, to the effect that the day of Jehovah is here. (prematurely)

So if one looks at the modern JW mindset at this time, they are definitely expecting the end TOO SOON. 

JWs are obviously stalled and “shaken from reason” and “overly excited” by the modern Bethel “it is simply the end of the world brothers!” modern hype, of this latest apostate bypassing subversion (yet to be fully reaveled before “the end”; 2Thess2:3-4), as seen in those above WT quotes and its bypass of more and more obvious 8th King = WHOLE “scarlet wildbeast” world government meaning, of the final world power system, the whole wildbeast world government, yet to come with the required fall of the 7th King.

Thus stalling JW progress in prophecy, is part of this modern apostate Bethel total delusion campaign, to crash the JW org, and just tell JWs that end, is “the end”, which it cannot be at this time. 

1. Bethel is concealing assured 8th King rise into world government.

2. Bethel is concealing the true meaning of the 7th King coming downfall now brewing.

3. Bethel is concealing the meaning of their coming downfall “trampling” that STARTS the overall final global judgment cycle. (1Pet4:17; Dan8:13-14)

4. Bethel wants to sell 2 and 3, to JWs, well before world government and the real “the end”, as if “the end” of it all.

No wonder Bethel are also a UN NGO co-sponsor of the “new world order” (Awake! 9/8/1991) wildbeast world government final global secrecy campaign, rather than keep people and JWs up to date with modern prophecy.

Bethel GB runs this world government cover-up prior to the final cycle coming up, of Revelation 13:3 and Revelation 17:8-12 of the future, which “heals” and “ascends” on the 7th King “fall”, to “8th King” World Government as the whole 8th King GLOBAL totality of the total “scarlet wild beast” whole, well before “the end”, which is just the smokescreen Bethel now promotes, prior to their downfall.

In other words, Bethel is fully compromised. This stall beyond mere “over sight”.


[QUOTE who=”Olin Moyle”]<quoted text>
This forum would be better off if you never posted again.
Of course, we won’t be that lucky because you apparently have some sort of mental disability that compels you to post your incomprehensible gibberish ad nauseam.
So I guess I’ll just get back to ignoring your nonsensical posts.[/QUOTE]

Now you are out dfing too? Why be the very thing you accuse others of? LOL You are just as lost as any JW, only in your own “congregation” of hypocrites.




[QUOTE who=”Lordylordy9111″]<quoted text>
The elites have studied the problem (divide) and then offer a solution (unite); and if you study war you can see the elites 1,2,3, punch. They lead the people like sheep because the people have underestimated their government and they allow these men with their bankers to create divisions that cause genecide on weaker ethnic groups such as Jews and Muslims; and the people look to their government to do that and unite the people which they do through nationalism and once the people get drunk on that kool aid which is the over played unending hymn “united we stand united we fall” they are too drunk to see the tons of evidence they have been scammed.[/QUOTE]


This is why EVERY TIME, they want people thinking doomsday, rather then a con sold in a cycle.

People think everyone just went through WW1 with no dire concerns, as if they knew it would resolve. In WW1 they did not know if it would resolve, it did appear “as though” possibly it was going to be “slaughtered to death”. It was an example that Revelation 13:3 is a CYCLIC FORMULA, for one purpose: amplify the problem for the goal of presenting the solution: we need world government everyone.

They just called it the League of Nations. WW2 ran the same SCAM CYCLE. Scare the hell out of everyone, then present them with the solution: we need world government. That time the “United Nations”, which is an international political nucleus cell of world government. If people researched the scale of the true UN complex in itself, all its supporting institutions like the CFR, Chatham House, Bilderberg, Club of Rome, TLC and their corporate and industrial central banking global network, they would understand the UN system is already bigger and more powerful than many national governments combined. And there central banking and investment clearing corporations actually own the government debt, their national real-estate funding complex, and their corporations, of all those nations. The Fed OWNS the US debt complex, the own the mortgages, they own Wall Street.

But no one is paying attention.

Then they ran a Cold WORLD War cycle of constructive expansion of the positioning of the US NATO camp and the USSR, that will then be used as one whole for globalist control after GWOT finishes the expansion, and now they can do a Cold War II and GWOT Phase II cycle, because no one noticed the Cold War was a CYCLE that also resulted in a UN capping “New World Order” presentation in 1990.

And that is why the Cold War cycle was unique (Dan11:29), and it fell off of people’s radar as a THIRD CYCLE with “nuclear war” fear as the “problem” whose solution was the disbanding of the USSR which “cold victory” the UN globalists took credit for, during their UN 3rd presentation.

UN 1-2-3


And no one noticed, including Jehovah’s witnesses. This is because Bethel noticed enough to join that 3rd UN campaign as UN NGO, but not enough to say it was a THIRD UN PROPHECY. Think God is going to waste Daniel 11:27-45 all about a USSR that fails, and the failure is not part of the propehcy while everything else supposedly was? No, Daniel 11:31-45 is ALL ABOUT THE GLOBALISTS FROM 3RD (31b) UN TO 4TH UN PLACEMENT as coming world government (Dan11:45=Dan12:11).

That is, AFTER this [[[[FOURTH]]]] GLOBAL CON CYCLE, coming up, RUNS THE SAME COURSE AS THE THREE BEFORE IT. But this time they will complete their abomination, and that Global Abomination of slipshod human rulership called “World Government” will trigger Christ for the bulldozing process of that jalopy, while he pulls the sheep out of the way first.

Now some asleep people even think that forecast is “crazy”, when it is history and historic entities that have all been mentioned.

Thus IRONICALLY, people will be shocked when the NWO World Government does indeed come, as predictable from their own history since the 1914-1919 first WW-to-League of Nations cycle.

That is why people will face world government, before they face the Kingdom of God. Hopefully the world government cycle, and it real implications, will wake up some of these poor zombies around us. I mean it is only the FOURTH TIME this has occurred!!! UN 1-2-3-4

> There did seem to be a few anomalies. 3 stood out to me from the beginning
> because he was a big guy dressed in black holding a gun.
> If it is fixed it was elaberate. What does it mean? He may have wanted the JWs
> to pay for what happened. Thats why he said Jehovah told him to kill. Not sure.
> Agape

It means “we need to take your guns, before the race war begins”. They had a few birds downed with that one stone. The race card, the gun control card, the internet control card, and the JW card.

THAT is amazing that they made sure to toss in the Jehovah told me to do it thing.

I think his stage name, “Bryce” Williams, is a clue. Like Brian Williams, but this is the “Bryce” version, Bryce Williams. And “Bryce”, is for Brice Taylor, one of the most well known MK Ultra whistleblowers out there, who came out of her trance by way of a near fatal collision:

Brice Taylor & Ted Gunderson – MKULTRA Mind Control Revealed: The True Story

I know it seems like a stretch for some, but these things are indeed elaborate and have “people” who are in a mind control state for years prior to their use, like Vester Lee Flanagan, aka “Bryce Williams”. “Bryce Williams”, MORE than just a stage name. A DIFFERENT PERSON entirely.

And I think the “event coordinators” like to mark their work by these kinds of markings. It fit their anti-gun, race war, and brewing anti-JW campaign, objectives, to a T. I just think way more is really going on there. And it all leads in the same direction as the rest of the latest gun and race hyping. Amazing they tossed in the JW thing, too boot. That is what makes me think, this is MK Ultra designed and aided, for the central “character” usage.



How many cards are in this Vester situation government hand?

This has to be some sort of record, a full house:

1. We need to take all of your crazy people’s guns…in fact all of your people’s guns…

2. BEFORE we have a big US Race Civil War to make martial law as easy as possible;

3. We need to suspect JWs are all crazy;

4. Watch out for gay people as well;

5. We need to have better Twitter and Internet censorship, on the spot;

6. We need to be concerned with mental health care for all nuts in the US, which means everyone but the ruling elites;

7. Might as well throw in God Almighty, and blame Him too, “Jehovah made me do it”;

I probably missed a card as well.

But that is what the Vester development says. TURN IN YOUR GUNS, expect it to be made law, before the US breaks out into a martial civil war invasion and total national race war.

I am surprised they opted for the JW religious card, rather than “he was a Muslim”. But then again “Global War on JW Terror” is brewing up as well.

These things are for the naive US cows to support 1-7, first reaction, no further thought needed.


[QUOTE who=”dee lightful “]<quoted text> Monotheist know there is only one God but JW’s have two Gods, an Almighty one and a Mighty one. Jw’s don’t worship the Mighty God but they still preach two Gods and that is not monotheism
Trinitarians worship one God who is composed of Father, Son and Holy Spirit as three parts of the one God, working in unity for the salvation of mankind.
Now that makes sense to me while having two Gods, worship one and ignore the importance of the other makes no sense.
The Mighty God, Jesus is so important he has be given all authority in heaven and earth and yet the WT ignores him as they give lip service to Him as they take His place in the life of the JW by saying the org is necessary for salvation.
Don’t you really see something wrong with that teaching? Don’t you see the lip service given to the only begotten Son and how anti-Christ the WTS really is?

Then maybe we need to read the scripture more carefully:

(Isaiah 9:6) . . .And his name WILL BE called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.

In official divine manner, Christ is NOT YET any of those things, that takes place here:

(Hebrews 1:6) . . .But WHEN he again brings his Firstborn into the inhabited earth, he says: “And let all God’s angels do obeisance to him.”

All of those prophecies have yet to fulfill, to the full. We know Christ is designated to “be called” all those things he is, it is in the 1000 Year Reign, not yet begun, when he WILL BE those things in the official manner GOD ALMIGHTY dictates, not Christ, and certainly not wildbeast riding churches, which ALL of them now ride, with Bethel the latest passenger.

THAT is why Bethel and JWs will get no spiritual advancement until after the house judgment coming up. We do not know if Bethel will even make it at all. JW REPENTANCE from UN services and sponsorship will determine how severely Bethel is decimated by God, allowing their “lovers” in the UN globalist elite sector to do the work.

Technically, Jesus has been a god since birth:

(John 1:18) . . .No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is in the bosom with the Father is the one that has explained him.

But “WHEN he again brings his Firstborn into the inhabited earth” Christ will then be called the Mighty God, by divine timing and divine announcement of God Almighty.

We are now building up for that full arrival. Human world government is all that must yet complete BEFORE Christ arrives, triggering the “Mighty God” designate being made official when he deposes all “government, power and authority” on the human 8th King wild beast world government.

So you have time to put together what is really going on here in these final few years. You will know when the US and EU are crashing, and you will know when they will start to fully present the “solution” to that crash, in world government.

Then we can, God willing, prove who we are for: God’s Kingdom or wildbeast world government.

There really are only two roads a man can take at that time. (Rev13:15-18; Rev14:9-11)


Well I know I have some NA in me, and I feel it. Wish I was Geronimo, but I am not. But what is ironic, is the NA extermination was accompanied by the “Reservation System”. It is because the same guys that did that, also did it in Nazi Germany. It was not that “Hitler studied the reservation system in America”, it is to the globalists Germany and the USA are no different, they run both scams. They are just the US version of the “Fourth Reich” which will attempt to meet the global objective of a “Global Cocentration Camp”.

People are just naive, if they have come this far, that is the globalists, imagine what they will do when they seize 100% global power?

The irony is, now many Americans will be eligible for the 21st Century Reservation system. Think when people are staring out the fences of FEMA, they will not say deja vu, looks like Standing Rock Agency. Except this time the “Indians” at the “Big USA Little Big Horn” will be the “feathered” angels of God swooping in on Global Custer and ALL his troops this time. But it is just a larger version of the same “Trail of Tears”, except this time it will be “Equal Opportunity”, many Americans, not just the Natives, can now participate at some level of this final “Round Up” phase.

But this “Round Up” phase, is just the beginning, as it aids them securing even more power globally. Think this next phase is going to get bad? You are right. But it is nothing compared to their plans when this phase leads to total global power for that global final system of domination of all.

This is why when “Sitting Bull” God Almighty and “Crazy Horse” Jesus Christ do arrive “with all the “Indians” with them”, it will be AT THE PERFECT TIMING. And there will be more than one reason why they HAVE TO show up, or else:

(Matthew 24:21-22) for then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again. 22 In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short.

THAT is an extinction mode under 100% Global World Government power. The phase coming up is just phase 1, called the “tribulation of those days”. And if we read VERY CAREFULLY, we see that first phase coming up, RESOLVES [[BEFORE]] Christ arrives:

(Matthew 24:29-31) 29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 And then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in lamentation, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he will send forth his angels with a great trumpet sound, and they will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds, from one extremity of the heavens to their other extremity.

And if we also NOTICE VERY CAREFULLY, a whole lot MORE ALSO occurs BEFORE Christ arrives in gathering mode:

“Immediately after the tribulation of those days”…

1. the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven,

2. and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

3. AND THEN the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven; (for believers first)

4. AND THEN all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in lamentation, (as the news spreads)

AND [THEN] they will SEE the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Which is, finally, after all that, this:

31 And he will send forth his angels with a great trumpet sound, and they will gather his chosen ones together from the FOUR WINDS (Rev7:1-3), from one extremity of the heavens to their other extremity. (Rev 14 final sequence)

So we can know a dual phased global-cycle is coming up: “problem” to “solution”; “chaos” to “order”; “sword stroke” to “healing”; “abyss plunge” to “abyss ascension”—they are ALL the same thing.

A “tribulation of those days” that resolves, as the “sword stroke” “heals” (Rev13:3), as the “scarlet wildbeast” “ascends” into world government. (Rev17:8-12; Rev11:7)

And under world government, “solution” phase, “order” phase, “healed” phase, is when that parallel “FOUR WINDS” phase commences as Matthew 24:31, and Revelation 7 TOTAL FINAL GATHERING. (Rev11:11-12; Rev14)

BUT, THAT is ALSO when it gets truly globally 100% dangerous, when the world government boys get full global power.

But they will also be “healed” and “ascended” saying “world peace” “and security”, under full world government. (1Thess5:1-3); So the recovery “healing” can look good for many, but for others it will not be good. AT THE SAME TIME, globally.

And that is why they can provide a full world government “freedom from care” in that “world peace and security” parallel period for their cronies, and AT THE SAME TIME, attempt to “bring many to ruin” in depopulation for example of a few targets they will try to complete at that time of the undesirables (like the “two witness” and BTG; See Rev13:15-18 for the general target):

(Daniel 8:25) And according to his insight he will also certainly cause deception to succeed in his hand. And in his heart he will put on great airs, and DURING a freedom from care he will bring many to ruin. And against the Prince of princes he will stand up, but it will be without hand that he will be broken.

We are just getting ready to enter the first phase, the “problem” phase, prior to world government. The phase the 7th King falls in, in undeniable globally seen manner, to allow 8th King “rise” to the full. That first phase is that “tribulation of those days”.

Of course King North puppeteered Bethel bypasses all these details (Dan11:32a; Dan8:12b), so they can sell the crisis coming up, and their  apostate/infiltration end, to JWs, as “the end”; which it will NOT yet be. They want to sell JWs 7th King required downfall, AS IF that dire phase is “the end”.

Hoka Hey! The White Buffalo is up, and ready for game day. He will stomp Bethel apostasy first. (1Pet4:17; Dan11:41; Dan8:13-14)



[QUOTE who=”The old boy”]What amount would be correct to give a C/O and wife as a bit of a bung, for coming to see the congregation, without appearing to be mean, and at the same time not wanting to be considered flash. I heard it ranges from form $2-4.000 And also the sisters take the wife out shopping for hats and dresses. i guess if the congregation gets about 6, grand and they have a good leaving and send off party. should be about right. Oh and I did hear that they like a full tank of petrol to go![/QUOTE]

With the money Bethel is pulling from JWs, and reinvesting in for profit properties and businesses, every JW could get a little $1000 a month stipend, for about a 2 months.

Bethel has probably sacked away and channeled, in 20 years, about 14 billion, with 10 exiting now (or set up for exit), and about 4 billion to throw to the dogs come Bethel Global Class Action Lawsuit Tsunami time.

Bethel is far from “broke”, they just want to look “hurting” to milk every last drop from naive JWs, and to slip most of it out the derivatives exit hatch.

Bethel has been the most lucrative Religious Racket since dark ages Catholicism, and in all honesty, in per capita ROI, they make the Popes look like amateurs at turning 1 JW dollar into 100, by slave labor bar none.

Bethel ROI from JW Slave Labor is actually enough ROI ratio, to make Microsoft envious, on a per capita, low OH, basis.

Bethel’s racket is quite unique, and it could be worse than that, it could be in the 20 billion dollar scam range since 1980. It is that secretive, and it cannot be understated what free labor and high dollar expertise provided for free from JWs has added to that Valuation Package—with much driving “zeal”.

Therefore it is also a doomed racket, a Millstone Made of Gold as “turned by 7,000,000 asses”.

[QUOTE who=”anonymity preferring”]Brothers assign the “parts” in the teaching ‘playlets’ on the platform. I speak at their request. A brother announces the “talk” and another one adjusts the microphones . The subject is assigned, (by other brothers), as are the materials that cover the subject, and it is the same subject being considered all over the world that same week.
We sisters do do to door ministry, and conduct Bible studies, and informal witnessing and ‘on the platform’ we demonstrate scenarios that would arise from those situations, which can be valuable experience for us , and valuable vicarious experience for audience .
It’s called the Theocratic Ministry School and brothers and sisters are students, fulfilling assignments given by the brothers in charge.
Brothers even tricked me into signing up for the school, when I hadn’t done so on my own and they knew me well enough to know I would probably go on avoiding , and hoping no one would notice. (Not nearly as bold in person as I am writing with -at least- some anonymity. )
WT study and similar – a brother requests answers, and calls on brothers and sisters. A brother brings the designated question -answerer a microphone, before he or she “can” answer.
Women “speak” in the congregation by request and permission of men in cong., and women don’t “teach” in the congregation.
Spelling it out like this I realize both that “it is shocking(who can listen to it!)” in theory, but in practice, wasn’t -heretofore- even noticeable.[/QUOTE]

And all the while the Bethel scandal mill makes it harder and harder to dunk a single donut, as XJW numbers are now the majority, as JW numbers dwindle in a downward spiral, statistically verifiable to?

1976. (The year “Korah” GB fired Moses and Aaron Fred Franz and Nathan Knorr, and took control of Bethel and the JW minsitry—all coincidence?)

The very year the GB Circus Center Ring went into power, to talk about themselves and all they do, putting God and Christ out of the spotlight, and now totally off stage in the JW ministry, is when the JW numbers began to go down consistently.

The GB (and their lawless activity, UN NGO, etc) ARE KILLING THE JW MINISTRY. Plain and simple.

It is now a ministry about GB Damage Control, that is going from the Web, to every householder of the territory. The “GB Apologists Ministry” from the “Governing Body’s Witnesses” is what it IS now, forget the “kingdom message”, let us all talk about GB and Bethel dirty laundry from here on out:

(Zechariah 3:3) . . .Now as for Joshua, he happened to be clothed in befouled garments and standing before the angel.

And no one even noticed the nature of the entire JW ministry has morphed into a GB Show and GB “Korah” satire.

The JW Frog has been boiled, but oh so gradually.

(Daniel 8:12) And an army (of JWs) itself was gradually given over….

to another agenda.

[QUOTE who=”El Cacique”]The New York city government will construct a $100 million dollar wall in the event we have a flood downtown.
We saw the damage a flood can do to Manhattan with “Sandy”.
Sandy was just a mere warning. Well, the society was well aware of the great damage a flood can impose PRIOR to Sandy. So, they are ahead of the game.
They are moving out.[/QUOTE]

Most of Wall Street has moved out too.

The “.005% trading volume” “trading floor” remains for the show…

A Chapter In Trading History Closes: CME Ends The Open-Outcry Pit

High Frequency Trading: Why Now And What Happens Next

…as the 75% HFT ICE “Virtual Wall Street” Datacenter is now in New Jersey.

And no one noticed.

All stocks and bonds are now “digital”…

DTCC Cede & Co. explained by Greg Morse Pt 1 and 2

…as Fed-CedeCo (DTCC) claimed physical stocks ruined in Sandy:

Stock certificates feared ruined by Sandy

They were mostly going digital anyways, this “crisis” makes it official, with a good crisis not let go to waste for the excuse.

Thus all systems are go for whatever they have planned next for New York 911 Phase 2 potential.

Dick Cheney Predicts Another 9/11 False Flag in This Decade

ISIS Threaten America With Another 9/11

So there might be more to the story as to why CIA Bethel JW department has “moved”, and will probably become “Head Quarterless” when these things start to go to “Stage 2”. That is why Bethel is “one step ahead”, they are part of the overall operation for the JWorg sector coup.

On August 30, 15, Lordylordy9111 wrote:
> The Brice Taylor and Ted Gunderson tap brought up a lot of old feelings about
> the 80’s. My youngest daughter was born 1982 and the next year was an outbreak
> of day care satanic rituals. The McMartain and other persons involved with the
> day care satanic ritual outbreaks in 1983-84 were quoted saying they were
> ritually abusing the children to teach the world to worship satan. These day
> cares literally abused thousands of children and only three or four were
> convicted. Phil Donahue aired with the show with families of the in 1984 and I
> was so disturbed by ot I contacted him and they gave me the families number in
> California. I spoke with the father of one of the boys and the investigator and
> I am to this day distirbed by it. They told me a lot. Their lives were
> threatened and still only two convictions. In the 80’s satan was preparing to
> lay the foundation we see today. The Georgia guide stones 1980, McMatian and
> hundreds of satanic ritual day care abuse outbreak, H.W.Bush president (one of
> the head illuminati), and 2001 came the 9.11. It has been adding up to satan’s
> NWO. Now something is happening again. Bethel judgment, two witnesses
> (Zechariah 3:1-5). Then will come sanctifying God’s name. Its not the end.
> Agape

No it is not the end, this stage is for them to get 100% control and power. Imagine what it would be like if they stayed in power, at that time, it would be 100% WORSE than it is now, it would be “Global Law”, Satan would sit as King forever.

But that is why Christ shows up when it is required to arrive, or else. Thus they are taking control, and only God can remove them when they get more and more power, and He will. So we need to stay focused on FAITH, because this is just the prep work for this next stage.

80s were a budding of the Satanists in full emergence symptoms, I did not know until now what all those signs came together to really mean.

We are in an era as temporary as was Egypt’s or Rome’s. It is changing into “New World Order” total agenda, and when God shows up, ti will be because if He did not, “no flesh would be saved”, and that means basic survival.

Satan will hijack the system and fry even the globalists before he goes to abyss, imo. God is who will “cut it short”, and it will NEED to be “cut short”.

See how Bethel puts the “will kill billions” on Jehovah. when their NWO is who plans to “kill billions?”. God is a FRIEND who will save many from the extermination. God is the EXACT OPPOSITE of how self-righteous evil Bethel portrays His real will and purpose to save many many people.

And if He did not “show up”, no one would survive. That is how bad it will get, and we can know Satan wants to perform maximum damage before he is abyssed. And now the elite “we need to thin the herd for our own survival” is how Satan uses them, to build his final extinction attempt depop system globally.

Gotta focus on God and Christ. They will show up. But yes, this will drag on, because by it dragging on, many more can be saved by waking up to REALITY. After all the human illusions crash all around humanity, REALITY and TRUTH of the situation is all that will be left.

And when humans have nothing left to deal out, that is when God likes to make His “free gift” deal. He will respond to all repentance and salvation requests, that is all He wants to promote, waking up to reality for many:

(Haggai 2:7) . . .“‘And I will rock all the nations, and the desirable things of all the nations must come in; and I will fill this house with glory,’ Jehovah of armies has said.

Failure of human ideas, year over year, eventually leaves the most stubborn with one choice: Choose God and LIVE. (Rev14:6-7) And God will be willing to accept it, He knows how lost mankind really is. That is why He let’s it run the full course, it is the only way to save as many as possible.


[QUOTE who=”Postit”]Did anybody in the Bible ever called JESUS as Michael or Abaddon?
Christ, aka The Angel of God, aka The Destroyer, aka Michael

(Exodus 23:20-23) “Here I am sending an angel ahead of you to keep you on the road and to bring you into the place that I have prepared. 21 Watch yourself because of him AND OBEY his voice. Do not behave rebelliously against him, for he will not pardon your transgression; because MY NAME IS WITHIN HIM. 22 However, if you strictly obey his voice and really do all that I shall speak, then I shall certainly be hostile to your enemies and harass those who harass you. 23 For my angel will go ahead of you…

And when God’s people disobeyed?

(1 Corinthians 10:10-11) Neither be murmurers, just as some of them murmured, only to perish by the Destroyer. 11 Now these things went on befalling them as examples, and they were written for a warning to us upon whom the ends of the systems of things have arrived.

The Revelation 9 Destroyer is only dreadful to the disobedient of God’s people, and to the temple trespassers now subverting the Jehovah’s witnesses ministry from within. (Dan11:32a; Dan8:12)

When Michael “stands” in the temple as this angel in Daniel 12:1, in the temple first:

(Zechariah 3:1-3) And he proceeded to show me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of Jehovah, and Satan standing at his right hand in order to resist him. …3 Now as for Joshua, he happened to be clothed in befouled garments and standing before the angel.

He will clean out the temple trespassers and “weeds” among Jehovah’s witnesses first:

(Zechariah 3:4) Then he answered and said to those standing before him: “Remove the befouled garments from upon him.” And he went on to say to him: “See, I have caused your error to pass away from upon you, and there is a clothing of you with robes of state.”

As this parallel:

(Malachi 3:1-3) 3 “Look! I am sending my messenger, and he must clear up a way before me. And suddenly there will come to His temple the [true] Lord, whom you people are seeking, and the messenger of the covenant in whom you are delighting. Look! He will certainly come,” Jehovah of armies has said. 2 “But who will be putting up with the day of his coming, and who will be the one standing when he appears? For he will be like the fire of a refiner and like the lye of laundrymen…and they will certainly become to Jehovah people presenting a gift offering in righteousness.

The purpose is to cleanse the apostasy now impeding God’s people in Jehovah’s witnesses, as a witness of “befalling them as examples” for God’s people still in Babylon the Great and the world, as to where this judgment just beginning with anointed Christians and Jehovah’s witnesses will lead in the final few years prior to World Government:

(1 Peter 4:17) For it is the appointed time for the judgment to start with the house of God. Now if it starts first with us, what will the end be of those who are not obedient to the good news of God?

Thus after JW org is “trampled” as Daniel 8:13 parallel of the purification of Daniel 8:14, as in the above visit of the Destroyer to the temple for the disobedient among God’s people, “in the temple” first (2Thess2:1-9; Isa66:6), then the “example” will eventually be applicable to the world (Rev14:6-7) which will be going into 7th King/King South downfall (Dan11:42-43), in which Bethel goes down in (Dan11:41), en route to 8th King/King North world government. (Dan11:44-45)

World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3; Dan12:11), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

That is why Bethel goes down first, to clear the way for the final warning, by using JWs as the global example.


[QUOTE who=”DR SOS”]<quoted text>TRANSLATION: In another words you are a coward that won’t repeat any of the “It never happened”to any of victims of 9/11 or sandy hook because you don’t have enough conviction or intestinal fortitude to even believe it’s true…

Well I never have said it did not happen.

1. I explore the various scenarios that reinforce the context of coming US Martial Law period, which would be made easier after they take the US citizens guns by use of highly emotionally charged murders, which may very well have occurred, to be used for the agenda of taking over America, by first removing as many weapons from the public as possible.

If you think that is “crazy” or impossible, you have a dire future shock coming.

HOMELAND IN-SECURITY: Rise Of The Global Police State (Full Length) HD

2. Now secondly is the coming race war, shore to shore. As anyone can plainly research, if European and Euro-American elites do not reverse the “brown and black” wave, it will engulf them with that of the Asian Wave. White European birth rates are already the basis to prove that trend, along with the “Asian Century” of economic domination also forming.

How Europe is slowly dying despite an increasing world population

Thus Anglo-Americans elites must either be swallowed up by the coming 50 years, or act now to stem that tied for a world government partisanship of “united nations” to become part of, rather than roadkill of, the passing of the global guard. Thus US race containment is a clear cut goal.

Anyone can research these trends, it is what it is.

3. Now Bethel is also being targeted because they want to also get rid of the JW ministry as the final cycle is emerging so no one can explain it properly. JWs already cannot explain it, because they think “the end” is all that is coming, as they are duped by Apostate Bethel.

Thus a “news event”, real or not, that sums up all of the above, is to be examined closely. And expect more, UNTIL they take all US public weapons, before, or in US Martial Law.

The nap in JWs is a snapshot of the nap in the US and the world. Thus they plan to spring the trap, of this fast development of Martial Law, hoever it manifest, on JWs, in the same manner they spring the trap on many people not keeping up with the real global news of the coming US and EU financial meltdown, which will provide the context of far more global developments and require the “Lockdown of America”.

Now you can deny this all you want for a little while longer, but you are on the Roller Coaster Ride that goes through all these things, while en route to world government, instead.

Thus it does not hurt to question authority and their Mass Media Mind Control agenda in every big news item that emerges that actually supports the first step, #1, of the overall agenda that many see coming.

This Economic Collapse Will Push The US Into A 3rd World Country: Bill Holter

You better plug into more Alex Jones and Greg Hunter shows, while you can.

Paul Craig Roberts-Economic House of Cards, Demand for Gold and Silver Very Very High

Controlled Economic Collapse Imminent


[QUOTE who=”Dogen”]<quoted text>
Future events are unpredictable. As they always have been.

Not for long. There is a reason the final cycle can e predicted by more than just prophecy. The propehcy repeats, because the global development of how to present world government repeats: global crisis resolved for the “solution”. They are both the same cycle REPEATING, in secular terms and in prophetic terms.

A. The 1914-1919 first witnessing pattern of anointed Christians utilizing the Bible Students branding of generic witnessing is the basic pattern of the future:

1. World War “Problem” Runs and Resolves to Present Wold Government “Solution”.

World Government as symbolized by the League of Nations triggers Christ.

2. A 1260 Days Warning Precedes World Government.

Same old story.

B. The world war engineers run that global crisis to resolve (Rev13:3) into finally, the World Government Solution. THAT is more predictable than even prophecy to see.

That is why God allowed the first pattern, 1914-1919, WW1-to-League-of-Nations, to be drilled in, for the SAME pattern of the final manifestation leading to world government (Rev13:3; Rev17:8-12), upon the US crash cycle probably turning into some form of war with Russia, etc, to “miraculously resolve” for everyone to celebrate the Wildbeast World Government. (Rev13:3; Rev17:8 wild beast “admiration”)

This Time

Rather than “judgment of Christendom, BTG” this cycle starts (1Pet4:17) with judgment on Bethel (Dan11:41; Dan8:13-14), who should by now be explaining the main patterns in 1914-1919 first WW cycle to present world government, since this is the fourth time that basic dialectic has manifested.

The US national financial downfall will get more obvious to all in time. (Dan11:42-43) But it heals, this is NOT “doomsday”. That financial crisis about to meltdown soon, is another “problem” the Wildbeast will be the “solution”, for the world:

(Revelation 13:16-17) . . .And it puts under compulsion all persons, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free and the slaves, that they should give these a mark in their right hand or upon their forehead, 17 and that nobody might be able to buy or sell except a person having the mark…


A SECOND WITNESS will emerge in that period, 1260 days before World Government to give the fast tracked FINAL warning and open salvation summary.

The purpose is to proclaim an OPEN SALVATION OFFER far broader than narrow Christendom and even narrower JWs. Anyone can be saved as this unwinds, just gotta keep that 666 off of the person, that is allegiance and service to world government.

Positive Global Message—Open Global Salvation Opportunity

That is why “eye of the needle” “rich man” [Bethel’s Jalopy of Anti-Salvation], “shutting up the kingdom before men”, is toppled next, and it takes a few years to go down (Dan8:13-14; Isa37:30-32; Hos6:1-3), and they sell their end, to JWs, as “the end”; which it will NOT yet be “the end”.

It all “fits together” to give evidence it is instead the final cycle. Bethel apostasy about to be decimated by God allowing elite systems to sack Bethel, is just the first signal of the fianl cycle; it is a CYCLE coming up.

It has already repeated so much, even you should be able to predict this by now. WW1, WW2, Cold War, GWOT to GWOT/ColdWar 2.0= WORLD GOVERNMENT.



[QUOTE who=”Nedoba “]Since the Governing Body claims not to be inspired, where does “New Light” come from? If not from God the Creator, then why should anyone listen to them?[/QUOTE]

Well if people really look at the “light” of the past, we see it is well in the past. Aside from little guesses and “adjustments” SOLD OFF as “new light” to emaciated sieged JWs, there has been no real “new light” since Fred Franz capped of Revelation in 1969. (The 1989 red Revelation book is ALL rehash)

EVERYTHING after 1969, was just rehash, as not one guy in there at Bethel, is a Fred Franz kind of oracle that all JWs plainly admit there is no one like him. Even that Isaiah book was from Fred Franz files, but it too was already part of “BTG Has Fallen” series of research on Isaiah and Revelation that capped of the “Then is Finished the Mystery of God” book that capped off all of Revelation 4-22.

Everythign else Fred wrote after 1969, was already in print as to the big teachings, like Ezekiel and “Gog”, which they recently changed and called it “new light” so JWs can buy the “coalition of nations” coming on the JW org, AS IF “the end”, when it is merely the temple judgment accounting for YEARS of Bethel crimes.

(They want to sell divine accounting AS IF “King North” and Gog are “attacking us brothers! persecution!!! the end!!! blah, blah)

So, IN REALITY, there has been NO LIGHT since 1969. ZEEEEROOOO LIGHT. And that is called DARKNESS.

(Matthew 25:8) . . .our lamps are about to go out!!!!!!!!

But JWs do not research their own teachings, they buy the Billionaire GB Boys Club FABRICATED history of their “Bethel Royals” and that human “Salvation Offer” bait, to keep JWs slieght of hand blind—and those GB guys could not write themselves out of a spiritual paper sack, it is blase therapeutic MINUTIA MILLING [[PLAGIARISM]].

What a typical case of deceptions to keep truly backward UNspiritual men in power and riches.

There has been NO LIGHT in JWs for FORTY YEARS. 1/3 of their whole minsitry, the last 1/3 is DARKNESS, as foretold:

(Revelation 8:12) . . .And the fourth angel blew his trumpet. And a third of the sun was smitten and a third of the moon and a third of the stars, in order that a third of them might be darkened and the day might not have illumination for a third of it, and the night likewise.

And what came in 1976 to mark all this? The GB BlackHole Called a Lamp, but it is just the “Wormwood of Injustice”:

(Revelation 8:10-11) . . .And the third angel blew his trumpet. And a great star burning as a lamp fell from heaven, and it fell upon a third of the rivers and upon the fountains of waters. 11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood. And a third of the waters turned into wormwood, and many of the men died from the waters, because these had been made bitter.

(Amos 5:5-7) . . .as regards Bethel, it will become something uncanny. 6 Search for Jehovah, and keep living, that he may not become operative just like fire, O house of Joseph, and it may not actually devour, and Bethel may not be with no one to extinguish [it],

7 O you who are turning justice into mere wormwood, and the ones who have cast righteousness itself to the earth.

There will be severe ramifications for the Governing Body led Orgy of Injustice, Leaven and UN NGO.

(Zechariah 3:3) . . .Now as for Joshua, he happened to be clothed in befouled garments and standing before the angel.

It will be not “the end”, but the temple judgment signal, for the positive message of OPEN SALVATION OPPORTUNITY FOR ANYONE willing, once Bethel is downed:

Positive Global Message—Open Global Salvation Opportunity

[QUOTE who=”dee lightful “]<quoted text>What you don’t seem to realize is that what truth JW’s have all Christians have. What sets JW’s back is believing men over the scriptures for there is no scripture that says the WTO is necessary for salvation.
There is no scripture that says Jesus retuned invisibly in 1919 to pick the WTO to be God’s mouthpiece. Yet those lies are believed by JW’s.
Then you have all those false prophets where nothing happened on the dated stated by the WT that had to believe came from God.
Those are things that should show JW’s they are following false teachers and false prophets.
What does God tell you to do about those people, Betheljudgement?
If you were truly interested in the truth and your fellow JW’s, you would be telling then to get out of her instead of just your rage against the GB.

Christendom proper, has been involved this is true. They are part of the basic Bible printing effort, as are JWs.

So when JWs go down as symbolized in JW org going down, it is a SIGN of a judgment also coming on all of the Christendom, as a SIGN TOO of a judgment coming on all the world.

EVERYONE will be in this judgment cycle.

BUT it has a positive message in the end.

Positive Global Message—Open Global Salvation Opportunity

Bethel going down will be the first sign.

All controversy Christendom has caused to spawn 50,000 and 1 religions (JWs), will have been mostly a distraction from the little truth they all have.

World Government triggers World Judgment because it triggers the full Christ arrival. Jot it down.

World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

Everything else will get clearer when the US crashes to allow world government to ascend in full, globally. That will be another sign: the crash of the US and EU.

> Then Revelation chap. 12 jumps to 1914 when the woman with 12 stars on her head
> (twelve tribes of Israel) and satan was hurled to the earth and wage war with
> the womans seed.
> Revelations 11:1:13 takes place two time when satan was cast to the earth. Once
> in the beginning and once after the part of the apostasy. But Revelations does
> not occur but once and that is after the latter part of the apostasy
> (Revelation 11:14-19).
> Revelations chap. 11 and 12 are in several places in the 100 year span but a
> very important part to the “first” and “second” “two witnesses” is the last
> part after the apostasy when the loud voices in heaven say the kingdoms of
> earth are the kingdoms of the Lord happen all prior to the GT (Revelation
> 11:13-19). What do you think?
> Agape

Yes, this is good, and why the first witness has gotten us all warmed up on all the basic truths, as some parts repeat, while others are finale events. And yet we can understand BOTH of them at the same time.

(And no wonder God wants us to MAINTAIN the “first witness” truth, NO WAY is He going to dump that TRUTH; it has the whole story! even for the repeat!)

Now to keep with your point on Revelation 12, that is why the principle of increased Satanic activity on earth, as he was cast from heaven, and in the future as he gets worse, has TWO 1260 days references at Revelation 12:6 and Revelation 12:14.

So we can distinguish the one (Rev12:6) that came with the original casting from heaven for the first witnessing 1260 days, and its continuation to the climax of Revelation 12:14 for the true “remaining ones of her seed”.

Because at this time the full anointing cannot be completed, so we are not yet at the true last “remaining ones”, which is also coming up. And that prior to Satan “cast” to abyss, one more tumble down (heaven), down (abyss), to eventual “casting” to Lake of Fire, down in full, all “casting” steps in his demise. (as he first “fell” into sin, to start it all rolling down)

So just as Satan was cast from heaven for a clean Christ Inauguration Ceremony in Heaven (Rev4-5) in 1914-1919, so too the abyss casting is also in the same theme, coming up. He will get heated up, prior to that casting.

But now Christ will assume FULL global Messianic Kingdom authority (7th trumpet; Rev11:15-19) as all the truly last “remaining ones of her seed” are anointed, sealed, and then gathered 100% over this “second witness” full cycle. (Hence “TWO wings of the Great Eagle”, TWO Christ deliverances to accomplish the second witnessing as well.)

Thus God giving us the clean preview of 1914-1919, prior to Bethel apostasy, has allowed us to understand the things that repeat, and the things that are permanent, one time, though they too were previewed in the original 1914 enlightenment themes. They have the same “theme”, as does the Satan castings.

Now we KNOW where we are in REALITY of propehcy and final rival world government development budding for the final cycle.

We have to keep BOTH “witnessings” as one whole same sovereign theme, merely coming to the climax conclusion, of what the “first witness” well warned of, in spite of all the flack—the flack is part of the prophecy! OF COURSE they are going to resist and discredit the “first witness”! Par for the course!

So now a “SECOND” warning “witness” will pop up, in time. But it has great OPPORTUNITY FOR SALVATION as well, in the message.

This “by the mouth of two” “witnessings” we can agree with! And as one whole, it has more logic for people to see it really is the same story of divine warning and open salvation for the willing.




> I have a thought on a scripture to share for examination. It concerns
> Revelation 11 and 12.
> The two witnesses deliver God’s message and then the wild beast kills them.
> This could be literal or symbolic of the persecution the endured. This is part
> of the sixth trumpet and the “second woe” (Revelation 11:1-13).
> Then at the very beginning of the seventh trumpet and the “third woe” the loud
> voices from heavens say, “The earth has become the kingdom of the Lord”
> (Revelations 11:14-19).

Yes it is symbolic as a collective, as is the power of the “two witnesses” “calling down fire”. If that was the case, no one could “kill” them. It just means that final warning will be ceased as a sign. (for Dan12:11) Of course individually it is literal as per Revelation 6:9-11 “killed number”. But not all are killed, as in murdered.

Some anointed must be “we THE LIVING” “we who ARE SURVIVING”, that do not die (1Thes4:17), but are “transferred” “in the twinkling of an eye” into the spirit state, to complete the living sacrifice. (And so what Christ said, comes true: “some of you will not taste death”, some SEE Christ “sign of son of man” and his outright “arrival” “in person”.)

In a way, some “never die”, even of anointed. They just get “transferred” to truly “shine as brightly as the sun in the Kingdom of their Father”. FOR REAL, right before human sheep faces as friends.

Imo, that is why the two witnesses FIRST “stand on their feet”; This is that [earthly] part of the manifestation:

(Revelation 11:11) And after the three and a half days spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet, and great fear fell upon those beholding them.

And then this, final gathering parallel:

(Revelation 11:12) And they heard a loud voice out of heaven say to them: “Come on up here.” And they went up into heaven in the cloud, and their enemies beheld them.

For this repentance effect:

(Revelation 11:13) And in that hour a great earthquake occurred, and a tenth of the city fell; and seven thousand persons were killed by the earthquake, and the rest became frightened and gave glory to the God of heaven.



I am surprised more high level leaks have not come out yet. It really is a pretty tight nit Watchtower “Secret Society”.

But give it time. God is going to crack that egg wide open eventually, for all to see. Even now Bethel has an internal awakening going on, as to who is really “in the house”.

Unfortunately JWs have a very poor cross communicative global network. Everything must pass through the Bethel “switchboard”, which means JWs are virtually isolated at global scale.

JWs are adept at talking to everyone and his mother, but not to eachother, go figure. THAT is also a sign of guarded secrecies, that must be hush hush among JWs, and especially among a true global community of JWs. Mums the word, as far as JWs talking to eachother.

Wandering empty streets, all day long, helps the JW isolation directive.

JWs are always the “last to know” anything, now-a-days.

Thanks, good rundown.

Imo, if anything they MUST do the FAKE “peace and security” portion of their “the end of the world everyone!” GLOBAL HOAX, that will turn into a severe global crisis. (The Biblical “tribulation of those days”)

But that global “problem” will “heal” into the World Government global “solution” several years down the line. (Rev13:3; Isa41:1)

The World Government “ascension” will parallel the “healing” from a “doomsday” HOAX that will NOT come. “The end” will not come as soon as many are expecting. (Rev17:8-12)

The purpose of this is to create a Christian prophecy (misapplied interpretation that is) GLOBAL FAILURE PERIOD and severe discrediting cycle. But it is not the failure of the prophecy, which will arrive with full World Government, because ONLY God and Christ arrival can stop these guys. (at the very end of it all, after the “healing” is complete)

It is a global failure of the corporate Christendom engineered “prophecy” expectation, too soon, as per 2Thess2:1-2. (Corporate Christendom has been infiltrated, 100%)

The enemy system uses premature expectation, to create a GLOBAL HOAX, in order to discredit the real prophecy, WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY using corporate religions to help cloak the DECOY of World Government, first, finally “arriving” AS IF “God’s Kingdom everyone!”, WITH THE GLOBAL HEALING PROCESS.

“Healing” the preceding global crisis, is to give World Government more credibility, hence the “admiration” of the wildbeast in Revelation 13:3 and Revelation 17:8, which both use a global “problem” to global “solution” formula to eventually present full world government, AFTER this HOAX PERIOD recovers into that presentation several years later.

It is not that prophecy, the real thing, is bunk, it is that they apply it too soon, to aid the “doomsday” impression, which instead is not “doomsday”, as it eventually “heals” into, instead, full World Government.

(They are “one step ahead” of everyone, and they know what Christians are expecting, so they use those premature expectations for their own use, first.)

Under full World Government is the 100% global control period, hence the most dangerous period of this whole development. And that is why Christ arrives into their “one hour” of World Government reign as Rev17:12-14 shows. God and Christ arrive because they will have to arrive, or these guys will depopulate the whole world. (Matt24:21-22)


World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3; Dan12:11), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

THAT simple truth, is what all this HOAX BASED ON PREMATURITY and distractions will run for, for the purpose of trying to conceal that simple equation.

Put your hope and FAITH in God and Christ, they are the only ones who can can these guys. Humans alone, in fact whole nations, cannot overcome the NWO. God and Christ can and will conquer the enemy, when they are in COMPLETE form.

JW Current Apostate Status and Final Temple Judgment – Web Witnessing Record; The Bethel Apostasy is Prophecy

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