July 2015

[QUOTE who=”little lamb”]<quoted text>
So really you get down to ones mind set ..don’t you ?
So how would you recommend one renews their mind to have the mind of Christ ?
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The PROPHECY has the “mind set” of the modern apostasy attempt. Bethel is just one corporate Christian corruption center attempting to corrupt anointed Christians. But their UN NGO apostasy is very very significant.

Right now, the truth is, the anointed Christian body IS IN THE WORSE SHAPE OF ALL HUMAN HISTORY. (Zech3:1-3; Hosea (whole book), most of Isaiah, Micah, Amos is ALL modern anointed status as a “ten virgin” body in the unright condition. (Zech3:3; Dan8:14)

That is why the “ten virgins” are asleep. By FAITH and attention to obedience as best we can, we PAY ATTENTION to God’s Word, because He is FAR FROM DONE in prophecy.

And that is where most anointed “lamps about to go out”, have “nodded off”. If we cannot admit that, and eventually disclose that (Rev8), then we are in danger of making the “five foolish virgin” cut.

Plain and simple God must SOON, do another ANOINTED CHRISTIAN judgment. And they are NOT all “among Jehovah’s people” as JWs. But of course they are among Jehovah’s “people”.

What JW Org provides is a GLOBAL VISIBLE CONTEXT OF DIVINE CONDEMNATION of that IDOL organization. BUT it is a REQUIRED anointed Christian WAKE UP CALL (Matt25:1-13), as temple judgment, so that the RIGHT CONDITION can be achieved (Dan8:13-14), by REQUIRED purification.

When the accounting desolation of Daniel 8:13 runs its FULL COURSE, Christ will AGAIN, “come to the temple”.

[QUOTE who=”little lamb”]
So how would you recommend one renews their mind to have the mind of Christ ?
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It will take a miracle to meet TRUE approval of God. And that is exactly what this final outpouring of holy spirit, for the approved, will bring to mind. HOLY SPIRIT will enlighten the “five discreet virgins”, because it must, the body is that out of joint. (Zech3:2-9; Dan8:14,26 “the morning”, Rev9 “abyss” opening to light, parallel)

Angels and holy spirit under Christ, from God, are all over the temple judgment prophecies about to fulfill as Bethel is accounted (Zech3; Rev8-9, Dan8:11-14; Mal3:1-5; Isa6:6-8, Rev10), and later 100% globally exposed as the most significant apostasy of modern note.

In time, Bethel goes down, and is fully exposed as UN ALLIED apostates and impostors, hence Daniel 11:30-35, Daniel 8:11-14 are FULLY explained AFTER Bethel is “trampled”.

A FINAL WITNESS is why this purification is occurring.

Why TWO Witnesses?
https://jwupdate.wordpress.com/2015/07/07/why-two-witnesses/

Due to the nature of Satan in ALL mainstream corporate Christian “religions” (2Thess2:9), ONLY God and Christ can now recover the ministry, and God will be given full credit of grace, the undeserved kindness by Christ sacrifice to even accept the “five wise virgins”. (Bethel is ALSO apostate and infiltrated by Satan; Dan8:12; 2Cor11:13-15; 2Thess2:1-4,9-12)

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By admission (Dan9, Isa6), is how the “healing” and “purification” will occur. ATTITUDE is EVERYTHING. WE NEED FULL REPENTANCE, as a body. THAT is what those “five discreet virgins” means, those approved by God, for the final blast of full force “lamp” enlightenment, from base oil of prophetic truth, of the GUARANTEED Christ arrival as world government intent gets clearer and clearer as this runs its course.

Bethel is the obstacle to go first (1Pet4:17; Rev8:3-5; Dan8:13-14), for reasons that the following YEARS (Dan8:14), will make more and more obvious as ALL the virgins awake, but the “discreet” increase the lamp light flow, in this drawn out process.

Satan and King North power will try to keep anointed depleted (Dan11:41 activates), stop all new anointings, and shut up that final warning. And that too, is why covert angels of God will come out, and open the abyss of the temple judgment, and secure the final warning.

OBVIOUSLY from Matthew 25:1-13 full fulfillment, genuine anointed will be in depletion. The final “enlightenment” commission (Rev10:5-11; Zech3:6-9, Matt24:45-47; Isa6:6-8) will complete the anointings, by truthful information for newbies, and the final sealing is accomplished for those not affirmed, by CARRYING OUT THAT FINAL WARNING AND MESSIANIC KINGDOM COMPLETION INVITATION.

(Revelation 10:11) And they say to me: “You must prophesy again with regard to peoples and nations and tongues and many kings.”

When that completes, after the temple judgment timing runs its course (Dan8:14), as Revelation 11:1-7 (Rev13:5; Rev12:14; Dan7:25; Dan12:7) THEN the sealing of Rev7:1-8, will complete, world government will have “ascended” fully (Rev17:8-12), and Christ can and will arrive in Daniel 12:11 timing active to some degree as Revelation 11:7-10 merges into Daniel 12:11, defining its “remove the constant feature” that final time.

Revelation 14 also runs in Daniel 12:11, AFTER Christ arrives. OPEN SALVATION is available the whole 1260 days and 1290 days! THAT is the “everlasting good news”, also finished by Christ and angelic aid, to all planet earth willing. (Rev14:6-7)

In reality the whole final cycle is mapped in prophecy, most of it repeating like Revelation 8-11, and Revelation 16, and Daniel 12.

World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

 

Temple Judgment to World Government to Christ Arrival
http://templelijah.wordpress.com/graphics-of-final-cycle/temple-judgment-to-world-government-to-christ-arrival-revelation-11-and-daniel-12/

 

[QUOTE who=”DR SOS”]<quoted text>
You have this obsession with “Bethel”.
Now I want a straight answer on this.
Were you disfellowshipped and did this cause your obsession with “Bethel”?
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The UN NGO is what set me off on APOSTATE BETHELL, to expose them as PROPHECY. (Dan11:30-32a; Dan8:11-14)

I had an unusually smooth time among JWs, no reason there to go off on Bethel. They really liked my comments, and I really like the Bible prophecies and what not. I was a bit Gung Ho as far as study, balanced with preaching. I did more than just preach, but only “auxillaried”. So spiritually, many JWs respected by zeal for prophecy and the Bible.

Internally I was not much on the organizational bull, but I did not tell anyone, I just avoided what I considered to be a ladder climbing distraction and waste of time, as far as how Bethel busies it all up. (They do that to DECREASE Bible study, they are pro dumb-downers.)

But for “weak sheep”, I considered myself a self appointed “shepherd”, I always acknowledged DFd as well, I thought the Bethel cold shoulder LUDICROUS AND INSANE! Not to mention self-righteous and unnecessary. YOU HELP sick sheep you god forsaken FOOLS!!!!!! lol, but not so funny really. It is also unscriptural treatment, to keep the dollars flowing to Bethel, not helping sheep who may need it.

That also pist me right off, but I kept it under wraps. But the UN NGO was my out, NO WAY WAS I GOING DOOR TO DOOR sweeping that GARBAGE UNder the rug for Bethell’s apostates. NO WAY!!!!! THAT was the final straw, internally, it took me a little while to bail, off the radar. And no way was I going to justify cult-like shunning, or child abuse aiding and abetting. The leaders at Bethel are plainly APOSTATES, devolved into modern Pharisees, now leading the JW ministry to ruin and reproach. (Matt24:15)

There was no way to face people at a door, with Bethel’s skidmark of hidden reproach, a loaded Bethel diaper full of hidden and covered over sins. No way to condone Bethel’s heavy sins any longer, just because they parrot the past playing the “we are just like Fred Franz” ACT, who they are in no way related to, and who they backstabbed in 1976 with Knorr also getting thrown under the bus of the GB power mongers.

It is what it is. But the UN NGO is off the charts! ARE THEY NUTS? YES, apostates and impostors, actually not nuts, but on purpose. Spiritual “confirmed drunks” is what it is. The modern evil slave. (Matt24:48-51)

That UN thinga-majob, is going to mean disaster to Bethel, and JWs caught in the sweep. (Matt24:15; Dan11:41; Dan8:13)

That is why I am “obsessed” to reach any JW I can to FLEE the doomed JW org, BEFORE it all hits. Daniel 11:41 is coming on global JW org, as Daniel 8:13-14.

Due to heavy sins, Bethel’s UN NGO judgment is going to be ENORMOUS. Even they are saying they are going down next. (WT 11/15/13; WT 7/15/15)

What they are not telling JWs is why they are going down, condemned, and where we actually are in prophecy.

The JW “its the end brothers!” is the exit smokescreen to conceal the real meaning as Daniel 11:44 hoax, as long as possible. In REALITY it will be Daniel 11:41 and Daniel 8:13-14.

(Ezekiel 9:4) And Jehovah went on to say to him: “Pass through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and you must put a mark on the foreheads of the men that are sighing and groaning over all the detestable things that are being done in the midst of it.”

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[QUOTE who=”boris”]<quoted text>
they have a something about gog and king o’ north in current WT study edition. Maybe everybody else already read it, but I just noticed. I’m tempted to “push ahead” and speculate, just for fun, that gog is gogue, or “leader”, as in pedagogue, or demagogue.
and “his crowd” is like pent-up water, readily poured into the World’s -or ANY- mold, but “agitated and not knowing the way out”, “Anger -like a letting-out of waters-”
And as a mass, falling all over itself to “follow the leader” and vent pent up rage onto any object the leader, Gogue, should designate as worthy. Gog could be Japhetic in character without being solely Russian.. Really sleepy . Not sure -making sense-[/QUOTE]

Yes Gog and KN are set up for future alignment. And Daniel 11:44 over-advancement keeps JWs too far into the propehcy. Daniel 11:41 is what comes on Bethel, not Daniel 11:44, or the over-advanced “attack of Gog”.

It is obvious King North is the same as 8th King world government. Keeping the USSR failure in place, and going UN NGO rather than update the prophecy properly is how we know:

1. Bethel is apostate and KN controlled since especially 1990. (Dan11:30-32; Dan8:12)

2. USSR cannot fulfill Kign North (Dan11:36), 8th King UN developmental progress is the real KN.

3. Why Bethel covers up King North now obvious meaning, to keep JWs expecting the end way way too soon. (2Thess2:1-2)

Here is my speculation how they will continue the ruse:

Next King North Hoax, Now “Gog” Primed For JWs
https://jwupdate.wordpress.com/world-government/next-king-north-hoax-now-gog-primed-for-jws/

1-2-3 “The End” Bethel Formula versus The Actual Prophetic Position

They are inside Bethel (Dan11:32a), to set up the JW org for takeover, removal, and the premature, yet prophetic (Dan8:13-14), cancellation of the JW ministry, smokescreened with a HEAVY JW expected premature end delusion to delay JW awarenes as long as they can, for the whole process of Daniel 8:13-14.

8th King/King North World Government as Simple as Possible
http://templelijah.wordpress.com/un-fourth-cycle-soon/8th-kingking-north-world-government-as-simple-as-possible/

What Bethel is CONCEALING (Dan8:12b) with this delusional bypass:

1. The temple judgment requirement.

2. The 7th King downfall requirement.

3. The successful 8th King rise into full world government “one hour” of Revelation 17:8-12, in final form.

4. That a FINAL warning is still to be given as a “second witness” of the “two witnesses”.

Why TWO Witnesses?
https://jwupdate.wordpress.com/2015/07/07/why-two-witnesses/

5. It cannot be “the end”, it is a global “sword stroke” to global “healing” final phase of Revelation 13. It “heals” into world government.

Temple Judgment to World Government to Christ Arrival
http://templelijah.wordpress.com/graphics-of-final-cycle/temple-judgment-to-world-government-to-christ-arrival-revelation-11-and-daniel-12/

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[QUOTE who=”boris”]<quoted text>
Somebody, who is not looking for Babylon the Great to “Fall”, or if he was, wouldn’t link that term to religion, particularly his own religion, which Catholicism is, pointed that out to me about Pope calling for international climate change action. But what he felt was noteworthy was all the noise suddenly and thereafter continually made about the escaped prisoners in NY, and how that “drowned out the pope’s message”. I wondered if it was a hint of “hating the harlot” -type things to come. Just saying what I thought at the time,- not suggesting it fits in with your scenario. Could Rome be both political/beast and religion?
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Rome is a Babylon masculine continuation. (Hence the NWO is also called the Fourth Reich, Roman empire root)

And they are the dominant “broadway” of the “great city”, also called “Sodom and Egypt”, due to Christendom Roman religious extension into Babylon the Great.

So they do have a little of both worlds in the Rome root. (hence the fourth beast of Daniel 7, the root system of the rest, the root of world government; (And so is the English Anglo system a root. (small horn, is also 8th horn, or 8th King root development in post Roman form);

Due to Vatican political sovereign independence, they are also a political part of the beast.

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The Bethel “Babylon the Great attacked is the start of it all” DIVERSION, is impossible for a few reasons, most notable BTG goes down in Revelation 17:11-18, under full world government. That is why BTG is still present all the way to Christ arrival, on that world government in completion, in deep 6th to 7th plague final fulfillment. (Rev16:12,19-20)

Temple judgment of anointed Christians, formerly using the Jehovah’s witnesses vessel, upon the apostate Bethel globally visible epicenter, si what starts the final judgment cycle as per 1 Peter 4:17. It STARTS it, it is not over but just beginning:

(1 Peter 4:17) For it is the appointed time for the judgment to start with the house of God.

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The top three reasons why Babylon the Great is deposed under full 8th King world government, NOT to start the tribulation (1Pet4:17):

1 The Babylon the Great global religious institution is actually most useful to aid the outworking of the whole final “tribulation of those days” cycle from start to finish (world government).

Why depose the most useful global religious error global-“harlot” first? right when global religious confusion is needed the most?

2. Deposing Babylon the Great deep into the final cycle (Dan11:42-45), nearing and into its world government finale, would be most advantageous to then use BTG massive stored wealth distribution to aid the national recovery “healing” process (Isa41:1; Rev13:3, Rev17:8) to give the final cycle a final stage global-wealth and capital boost (a few 100 trillion in BTG hard assets; Rev17:15-18) for all the nations to benefit from. (From BTG global minimum 200 trillion dollar coffer of hard wealth and assets)

3. Deposing Babylon the Great at the [[end]] of the cycle will also maximize the “world peace” global-psychological effect of that final 8th King/King North world government claim and global proclamation. (1Thess5:1-3)

Deposing Babylon the Great “religious warmonger” will have a great global psychological effect upon the then functioning world system and the global recovery claims aiding world government “world peace” believability. (1Thess5:1-3)
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UNfortunately, the Governing Body of Distractions is involved with the stumbling of MILLIONS of human beings.

And that is REAL BLOODGUILT.

Expect a HEAVY HEAVY HEAVY Judgment from God on Bethel.

Pay attention, it will not be late. (Dan8:13-14)

No need to beat aroUNd the bush, the GUILTY GB is going down hard.

The GB is the source of JW ministerial corruption.

IT IS WHAT IT IS.

Connecting Bethel Lawlessness to Final Prophecy
http://templelijah.wordpress.com/more-man-of-lawlessness/connecting-bethel-lawlessness-to-final-prophecy/

Daniel 8:13-14 Details the Coming Temple Judgment of Jehovah’s Witnesses
http://templelijah.wordpress.com/dan8/daniel-813-14-details-the-coming-temple-judgment-of-jehovahs-witnesses/

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[QUOTE who=”I_know_better_now “]Absolutely it is just as real as God’s Kingdom. In fact it is that one world government that resists God’s Kingdom right now! Don’t believe it? Then you have not been paying attention or you have tunnel vision.[/QUOTE]

The only problem is Bethel will not tell JWs that “one world government” get its “one hour” as Revelation 17:12 in the future.

Full 8th King totality is not yet complete, but it will complete in the future.

8th King World Government Rise with 7th King Nation State Fall
https://jwupdate.wordpress.com/world-government/8th-king-world-government-rise-with-7th-king-nation-state-fall/

Bethel is trying to sell that REQUIRED 7th King downfall of the US and EU, and then all the nation-states (Dan11:42-43), as if that is “the end”.

It will not be the end, it will be the global crisis known as the “tribulation of those days” that leads FIRST to that full 8th King total “one hour” of final King North world government.

Then Christ arrives.

World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

THAT is the simple truth the Bethel apostates and impostors are now CONCEALING from JWs, for that “the end” delusion of prematurity “to the effect the day of Jehovah is here” TOO SOON, as per 2Thess2:1-2 up at apostate UN-Bethel.

World Government and Premature “Fulfillment” of Prophecy
https://jwupdate.wordpress.com/2015/07/05/world-government-and-premature-fulfillment-of-prophecy/

THAT is why it is Bethel who goes down next, just like the are telling JWs. But they are not telling JWs why they are going down next. (Dan8:13-14)

Nor are they telling JWs where we actually are in prophecy: Daniel 11:41 to go full blown on the JW org, globally, soon.

It is called the temple judgment, and it is sorely needed due to Bethel apostate diversion. All foretold.

1990: 3RD UN Presentation—The Key to Modern Bethel Reality https://jwupdate.wordpress.com/2015/04/08/1990-3rd-un-presentation-the-key-to-modern-bethel-reality/

Daniel 8 and 11 Final Apostasy and 3rd UN Placement (1990) Connections and Parallels
http://templelijah.wordpress.com/daniel-12/daniel-8-and-11-final-apostasy-and-3rd-un-placement-1990-connections-and-parallels/

Bethel has been UN compromised to the full.

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[QUOTE who=”I_know_better_now “]<quoted text>
It is yet to be proven who exactly is evil in the org.. I know for a fact that there IS an evil artist. There may also be some evil article writers as the evidence reveals. But we should be cautious making outright statements that the whole thing is evil. We could actually be going against the Almighty. You believe this org is where the truth existed, true? Then why are you so interested in attacking it recklessly? You think Jehovah is going to let ALL his sheep be herded? Then you are not paying attention to what the Bible says.. It says they will attempt to attack them then Jehovah’s anger will be unleashed on ‘them’ the system. Either way Jehovah’s people will win.
I am almost with you on the idea of a conspiracy or a coup but it is too early to be absolutely certain that all of it is evil.. It is a bit premature. You also believe Jehovah will restore things right? Then if that is so how will you reverse the hatred if Jehovah fixes things?
Did you see the art I was mentioning? What did you think?[/QUOTE]

I am not saying all JWs or all of Bethel’s population is evil. I am saying a KN placed element is INSIDE of Bethel, and they are TRYING to corrupt as many JWs as possible.

(Daniel 11:32) “And those who are acting wickedly against [the] covenant (at Bethel), he (8th King/King North) will lead into apostasy by means of smooth words. (The Bethel “smooth words” 8th King cover-up in the JW publications is part of the smoothly justified apostasy);

You are over extending what I am sying, and what that propehcy is saying. BUT there are now all JWs acting against the holy covenant, just not many of them know they are doing it, or how.

The UN NGO being made a Bethel UN sponsor, and it being still condoned after 2001 exposure and getting kicked out by the UN. The fact is the UN kicked Bethel out due to bad press. That means Bethel found it OK to be a UN sponsor.

If JWs cannot see the problem with SHARING in a UN promoting ministry, while COVERING UP THE TRUTH that 1990 3rd UN placement was as foretold as were the first two UN events in 1919, 1945, then what can you say? It is called being spiritually numb and asleep.

Now JWs aid the evil one at Bethel, in truncating the modern UN 34d step, of 4, to world government.

I know God will allow the Daniel 8:13 “trampling” to call JWs to repentance for the UN NGO “transgression causing desolation” for it is the worst of all Bethel’s sins.

But we do not know what God will leave of Bethel as a corporation, they have given themselves to the UN, so it is very serious what they have done. DEAD SERIOUS, make no mistake.

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I do not hate JWs, I explain Jehovah, in prophecy, HATES THE BETHEL MAN OF LAWLESSNESS clergy class, just as much as they reproach him.

You better believe God is flaming angry with Bethel, if you cannot believe that, you better look at the past of what Jehovah does to apostates that reproach him and his name.

(Amos 4:12) . . .“Therefore that is what I shall do to you, O Israel. As a consequence of the fact that I shall do this very thing to you, get ready to meet your God, O Israel.

It is JWs who seem to hate Jehovah, but love the UN doting GB, by proving disloyal with the UN NGO Bethel disgusting thing. More than some critical words are soon coming on the JW org, the time to repent was since 2001, and they are IGNORING that UN sin.

(Matthew 24:15-16) “Therefore, when you catch sight of the

(UN NGO; Dan11:31)

disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken of through Daniel the prophet

(modern Dan11:31 “disgusting thing that causes desolation” as parallel of Dan8:13 “transgression causing desolation”),

standing in a holy place

(in the JW “constant feature” ministry as UN NGO),

(let the reader use discernment,)

16 then let those in Judea begin fleeing to the mountains.

(Because the JW Bethel desolation judgment for that UN NGO “transgression causing desolation” is near; 1Pet4:17; Dan8:13-14; Rev8:3-5);

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Bethel Version of Matthew 25:31-40

(Matthew 25:31-40) “When the Son of destruction arrives in his gory, and all the demons with him, then he will sit down on his glorious throne at Bethel. 32 And all the congregations will be gathered before him, and he will separate JWs one from another, just as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 And he will put the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on his left.

34 “Then the king will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who have been blessed by my father Satan, inherit the counterfeit kingdom prepared for you from the founding of the final apostasy at Bethel. 35 For I became a Bethel billionaire and you gave me something to eat; I was a confirmed UN drunkard and you gave me something more to drink. I was a stranger but you obeyed me rather than your own flesh and blood; 36 I was dressed in a 4000 dollar suit, yet you clothed me more and more. I am not sick, could not be doing better, and yet you looked after me better than your own brothers and sisters. I was never in prison, getting richer everyday, and you came to me with your handy donations.’ 37 Then the deluded ones will answer him with the words, ‘Lord GB, when did we see you a billionaire and feed you more dollars, or totally drUNk, and give you something to drink as a nitecap? 38 When did we see you a stranger and yet obey you like the Pied Piper, or bedecked like a CEO of Wall Street, and clothe you ever more? 39 When did we see you feeling like a million dollars or in luxuries beyond compare and go to you with even more JW loot?’ 40 And in reply the king will say to them, ‘Truly I say to you, To the extent that you did it to one of the Bethel billion dollar brothers, you did it to me.’

[QUOTE who=”Lordylordy9111″]<quoted text>
It is not the same because JWs have judicial committee to be used to be disfellowshipped and reinstated. The elders decide when the person has repented. God is the only one who knows that. I was told by my mother years ago that if I died when I was dosfellowshipped I would not be resurrected. I was terrified even though the bad behaviour had stopped six months prior to her saying that to me. JWs shunning is not the same as what Paul said. [/QUOTE]

Yes, Acts 15 is totally blown out of proportions as if some supreme council in perpetuity was formed that day, as if the 12 apostles as an informal, but important body, needed some babysitters from Jerusalem, which mythical babysitters the GB have decided to assume the fraudulent role of.

Even the BODY OF APOSTLES THEMSELVES [[[[NEVER]]]] formed a body of authority, when they were obvious of direct selection of Christ, even Saul changed to Paul was selected directly, superceding ANY OTHER authority on earth, for real, in the body of the Christ which they treated as equals.

NEVER did the 12 apostles lord it over, or claim superiority, when they had it from Christ, because CHRIST was their leader, not some fictional Governing Body, attempting to supercede the body of the Christ, doing the EXACT OPPOSITE of the true apostles of Christ.

The very existence of the Governing “Body” is a blasphemy (there is only one “body” “of the Christ”, period), and NO WONDER it is not a term found ANYWHERE in the Bible. Instead it had to be invented, and superimposed on Acts 15 like some sort of modern Spiritual Frankenstein, which they have become entirely since 1976,

The “Judicial Committee” Neo-Sanhedrin add-on, and the Disfellowshipping overblown policing and control unit slipped in with the GB Pharisee FARCE. And that is all it is: a FICTIONAL FARCE, revealing itself as such by rotten fruitage. There NEVER WAS a “governing body”.

It was a ONE TIME emergency meeting, PERIOD. And even though it was an open meeting with ALL involved, the APOSTLES and disciple James RAN THE SHOW…

(Acts 15:19) Hence MY DECISION is not to trouble those from the nations who are turning to God.

…for obvious reasons—the very circumcision controversy arose from around? Jerusalem itself! Can anyone trust that supposed “body”?

NO, that is why the Paul and Barnabus showed up ASAP.

(Acts 15:1-2) And certain men came down from Judea and began to teach the brothers: “Unless you get circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.” 2 But when there had occurred no little dissension and disputing by Paul and Barnabas with them, they arranged for Paul and Barnabas and some others of them to go up to the apostles and older men in Jerusalem regarding this dispute.

It was CIRCUMCISION HELTER SKELTER at Jerusalem!! Some supposed “governing body”. The fact is LACK of any governing is why the issue went full blown to start with!

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Bethel has this whole story bass-ackwards.
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And why? To cloak their CEO “board of directors” in a mythical air of divine supremacy, TOTALLY PURE FICTION! Now it is easy to see what the motive really is! Cloak the board in a “divine authority” myth!

So, “Disfellowshipping” is ALL about COERCING JWs into SIN, one way or another, or beating the hell out a sheep not so easy to control by coercion: a fear tactic too boot. The gnat-complications, designed into the JC inquisition secondary rule book and its endless, useless, over detailing man made rules, is just to create all sorts of unneeded diversions, and ever more and more compounding complications.

That’s all it is, also a big reproaching distraction from the truth. But now spotlights are shining down into the Bethel rabbit hole, and the GB Vipers are getting exposed more and more.

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(All supporting scrips added)

The “tribulation of those days” comes first, as the 7th King King South global crisis “sword stroke” first phase of the GT. (Dan11:42-43)

But the “tribulation of those days” resolves BEFORE even Christ’s sign of Son of Man is seen. Why?

Because the “tribulation of those days” “heals” (Rev13:3; Rev17:-12) into full 8th King King North world government.

(Matthew 24:29-30) Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 And then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven. . .

Under 8th King world government, the “four winds” of global depopulation attempt (Dan8:25; Dan11:44-45; Rev11:7), goes forth in scheduled manner, and why it is THAT “four winds” of Revelation 7, that is the parallel of this “four winds” concurrent prophecy, during the final phase of the GT, the “four winds”:

(Matthew 24:31) And he will send forth his angels with a great trumpet sound, and they will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds, from one extremity of the heavens to their other extremity.

THAT defines the START of Revelation 14:1-7. (Rev11:7-12 lead there as Daniel 12:11)

And that is how the GT is ended under 8th King world government “one hour” of Revelation 17:12.

That is why the “tribulation of those days” is the unique first phase of the whole Great Tribualtion, but it resolves first, into 8th King world government.

Four Winds of World Government “8th King”
https://jwupdate.wordpress.com/2015/06/01/four-winds-of-world-government-8th-king/

World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

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8 Kings: Why the 7th King Anglo-American National System Must “Fall”
http://templelijah.wordpress.com/world-war-4-un-4-0/8-kings-why-the-7th-king-anglo-american-national-system-must-fall/

8th King World Peace—Guaranteed
https://jwupdate.wordpress.com/2015/05/21/8th-king-world-peace-guaranteed/

8th King World Government Rise with 7th King Nation State Fall
https://jwupdate.wordpress.com/world-government/8th-king-world-government-rise-with-7th-king-nation-state-fall/

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WW1: First Cycle World War “Problem” to World Government “Solution” Global Formula

What 1914-1919 allows is understanding the World War formula, and its Global Theme [cyclic formula; WW2, Cold War, GWOT (Dan11:29)] for accelerating needed change en route to world government. The League of Nations is significant, because its nucleus is that of forming world government, advancing further with every subsequent hot (WW2), warm (GWOT) or cold (Cold War) world war cycle.

World war, in any form destructive or constructive (Cold War; GWOT) is the greatest cyclic power phase that allows the greatest possible sub-national and international changes to occur.

World War, is a “world-war-to-world-government” cycle, in which a UN presentation caps off the cycle, in 1919, 1945 and 1990. So “foreseeing” the final global war phase to produce full world government, is intuitive and predictable now—but it is also in prophecy**.

The Federal Reserve US arm (1913-1914) of London finance “just so happening” to come about with WW1 is no accident. So in WW1 era we saw the two main driving forces of world government emerge, globalist finance (Dan11:42-43* future final cycle), and globalist military internationalization of war. (NATO roots)

*Daniel 11:42-43 Explicit in Coming 8th King Globalized Wealth Control
http://templelijah.wordpress.com/daniel-12/daniel-1142-43-explicit-in-coming-8th-king-globalized-wealth-control/

4th United Nations Cycle to World Government of the Future (Rev17:8-18, in full)

All we need now is the final cycle, to run the same “global war” “sword stroke” formula in a final unique global financial crash (Dan11:42-43) and world war cycle (Rev13:3), to eventually present the “solution” of world government. (Dan8:25; Dan11:45)

8th King/King North World Government as Simple as Possible
http://templelijah.wordpress.com/un-fourth-cycle-soon/8th-kingking-north-world-government-as-simple-as-possible/
The Hegelian dialectic “problem” “reaction” “solution”, is typical in world war resolving into the world government solution. WW1 gave us the first snapshot of that “problem”-to-“solution” formula, that repeats 3 more times (1945, 1990, future), to fourth cycle world war, and UN world government capping presentation. The UN presentations in 1919 (WW1), 1945 (WW2) and 1990 (Cold WW3), were just the first 3 steps to full world government over the final cycle, because the financial globalization element was not yet mature (Dan11:42-43 to Rev13:15-18; future final cycle) in the intervening expansion.

As the 7th King Anglo-American national-alliance and globalizing 8th King “image” manifested in WW1, at virtually the same time, 1914-1919, as a RIVAL WORLD GOVERNMENT PROCLAMATION cycle, IT CAN BE NO ACCIDENT, a Kingdom of God proclamation “just so happened” to emerge at the same time, in progressively clearer and clearer form, for BOTH WORLD GOVERNMENT inceptions, to WW2, and then the Cold War, repeat as necessary.

NO WAY WAS THAT JUST A BIG COINCIDENCE!

And so once the Bethel apostasy (Dan11:30-32a), which became obvious as UN NGO for that 1990 3rd UN presentation, which UN-Bethel now conceals in that 3rd United Nations meaning and Cold War cyclic meaning, aided by the Cold War being unique in purpose and deployment (Dan11:29), it can be made known UN 1-2-3-4, properly, while the 7th King is falling and the 8th King is “ascending” into world government. It can be forecasted BEFORE world government completes their rival “abomination” (Dan12:11), in final cycle form, global.

This is why Bethel conceals that King North is OBVIOUSLY the same as 8th King WORLD GOVERNMENT, because they are in on it too, as now 100% infiltrated and controlled internal UN allies. (Hence Daniel 11:32a, at Bethel, for quite some time)

Daniel 8 and 11 Final Apostasy and 3rd UN Placement (1990) Connections and Parallels
http://templelijah.wordpress.com/daniel-12/daniel-8-and-11-final-apostasy-and-3rd-un-placement-1990-connections-and-parallels/

The significance is 8th King/King North world government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

What the real Daniel 11:31-45 is is that 3rd (Dan11:31b) and 4th United Nations cycle as a successful continuum. (Dan11:36) Daniel 11:41-45 is the final world government cycle, as Daniel 11:40 has been active in GWOT globalist world invasion of the national systems, by NATO, US Military and globalist financial terminal debt infusion. Daniel 8:23 (3rd UN event; 1990), and Daniel 8:25 (world government), are also the 1990 3rd, to 4th UN event of the future.

This is why Apostate Bethel (Dan8:12; Dan11:30-35), final apostasy signal allied with the UN as UN NGO sponsors, is try their darndest to continue to subvert the real meanings in Daniel 8 and 11, because their apostasy, in both Daniel prophecies, CO-DEVELOPS with that covered up 3rd UN development after the Cold War resolved into the big “New World Order” UN mantra of 1990, that Bethel joined in co-proclamation in the JW press (Awake! 9/8/1991) rather than update the prophecy. They are UN apostates and impostors, OF COURSE they are going to say nothing, and adjoin the WTBTS and JWs to the UN NGO grass roots campaign.

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In those years, these things will come and can be forecasted now, because the WW1 cycle, and the first witnessing understanding, has the same formula, this is just in final form. As Bethel falls with the START of the 7th King US/EU national financial meltdown, these final events will also manifest en route to 8th King world government:

1. Temple Judgment

That current Bethel apostasy will ignite a judgment on the JW organization, which will be prophetically timed as Daniel 8:13-14 ignites Daniel 11:41, first (1Pet4:17)

2. Temple purification

As the 7th King nation-state system takes its initial sovereign financial hit, the JW org visible corporate “trampling” of Daniel 11:41 and Daniel 8:13-14 will be in action to form an eventual recovery, in which the Bethel apostasy (permitting Dan11:41) and everything they are now covering up regarding 7th King downfall (Dan11:42-43), UN abyss plunge and global “sword-stroke” (Rev13), to ascend the 8th King world government eventual “rise” (Rev17:8-12).

And all that “final puzzle pieces” of prophecy and now easy-to-see global power development, will become part of:

3. The Final Warning of the “second witness” of the “two witnesses”; (Rev10-11:1-10)

And by that time, that final warning will precede full world government full “8th King” finality by 1260 days as Revelation 11:2-3, parallels Revelation 13:5, 12:14 and Daniel 12:7, 7:25 enroute to world government.

4. World Government Triggers Christ’s Arrival

That final warning is ceased in Revelation 11:7-10, climaxing Revelation 13:5-7, as Daniel 12:11 activating the final 1290 days, in which period, Christ arrives, triggered by complete world government. (Rev11:11-12; Matt24:29-31)

So I fell TIME will affirm this forecast, and time will affirm Daniel 8:13-14 first, and Bethel will be “trampled” in corporate takeover to mark this forecast as valid, well before the real total grand finale in world government, which will emerge with the full 7th King King South global downfall “problem” phase, to “ascend” world government as the “big global solution”, in time.
 

 

**Four 8th King UN Cycles to World Government – 1919-Future

UN 1. 1919 – Rev13:11-15 (Dan12:11 first fulfillment) as League of Nations after WW1;

A. International Bible Students Association (IBSA) explained as prophecy;

UN 2. 1945 – Rev17:8-11 as United Nations after WW2;

A. Jehovah’s Witnesses (JW) explained as prophecy;

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Unknown and unstated by UN NGO allied Bethel and Jehovah’s witnesses:
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UN 3. 1990 – Daniel 11:31b as United Nations “New World Order” Initiative after WW3 (Cold War) (Dan11:29);

A. Covered up by Bethel as UN NGO, not explained as prophecy by any religious group;

[We are Here…]

UN 4. Future – Daniel 11:45; Daniel 8:25; (Daniel 12:11 last fulfillment) as United Nations and World Government after 4th world tribulation/war cycle to come.

A. Not currently explained by Bethel in lieu of a premature “end of the world” deception. (2Thess2:1-2)

B. To be explained after the JW temple judgment desolation, purification and removal of lawless Bethel engineered subversion (2Thess2:1-4; Dan11:30-31; Dan8:11-13);

All Four United Nations Presentations are Foretold in Bible Prophecy
http://templelijah.wordpress.com/graphics-of-final-cycle/all-four-united-nations-presentations-are-foretold-in-bible-prophecy/

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Daniel Prophecy and 8th King Globalists
Daniel 11:36-41 and Daniel 8:23-25 8th King Globalist Details and the Bethel Apostasy Co-Development
http://templelijah.wordpress.com/daniel-12/daniel-prophecy-and-8th-king-globalists/

Bethel Apostasy Foretold in Daniel 8 and 11
http://templelijah.wordpress.com/more-man-of-lawlessness/bethel-apostasy-foretold-in-daniel-8-and-11/
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Temple Judgment to World Government to Christ Arrival
http://templelijah.wordpress.com/graphics-of-final-cycle/temple-judgment-to-world-government-to-christ-arrival-revelation-11-and-daniel-12/

 

 

 

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[QUOTE who=”Stewart Wyndham Smythe”]In childhood its our parents & school teachers.Then the police, and all kinds of other officials all have some kind of control over us, And there is nothing we can do about this without causing ourselves a great deal of grief.
A born in is taught that a mysterious figure called Jehovah has power over what we do. as you get older you realize this means in practice what 7 or so men in Brooklyn decide should become doctrine. We have no control over the first group of people and laws made by others.
But why do we give up the control we do have and hand it over to these self selected men who we do not know and will never ever meet?[/QUOTE]

It is in the same manner as the Egyptian Pharaohs, pulling everyone’s leg like they were gods. They were not, but at the time the bait and switch worked.

Same with Bethel. The TRICK was convincing JWs progressively that the WTBTS “board of directors” is also, lo and behold, the super celestial supreme council “Governing Body” who also baby sat and controlled the 12 apostles of Jesus Christ.

It is pure assumed, superimposed RUBBISH.

But when a bunch of people buy it, like the throngs around Pharaoh, then the “born in” or outside observer wonders, hmmmmm, may be there is something to it, look at all these robots!

But in fact, it is a “divine authority” mythology, that is the root belief that allows the control, until of course the “divine authority” gets destroyed by God. (Dan8:13-14)

At that time, then JWs will all have to question the GB, for they will then be non-existent, so too JWs they will say, hmmmmm, what gives? (2Thess2:3-4)

(2 Thessalonians 2:11-12) . . .So that is why God lets an operation of error go to them, that they may get to believing the lie, 12 in order that they all may be judged because they did not believe the truth but took pleasure in unrighteousness.

What gives is, it was a LIE from the getgo. God MUST allow it to also go to JWs, for they need to also be tested in this same regard as those who believe the Catholic Pope is God on earth. JWs think the same of their GB Pharaohs.

But with JWs, this is the case with many religions, they all have an “all controlling” “supreme synod”, but it does not mean the prophecy is also invalid. That is why the impostors also discredit the very thing they claim to support, as their hypocrisy goes full blown, over time.

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Once a couple Apache’s got an arrow or two into the Spaniards, they found out, lo and behold, they are NOT gods, they are men, they bleed, and they are MORTAL. And so they shot a lot more Spaniards with many more arrows, with great zeal.

Keep The Baby, Throw Out Bethel Bathwater
https://jwupdate.wordpress.com/2015/07/07/keep-the-baby-throw-out-gbbethel-bathwater/

Definition of Apostate: Bethel
https://jwupdate.wordpress.com/2015/06/12/definition-of-apostate/

Now with JWs, it is a very big pill to swallow to find out your leaders are not divine, but rather, full blown UN riding apostates and impostors. OF COURSE, just for the sake of the lie of tradition, JWs will have to also learn the hard way, because it seems crazy to them the GB is actually installed by King North to screw them in the end.

The sheer magnitude of the claim, makes JWs doubt it can be possible. But in fact, it is possible, and probable, the GB is a hierarchical control unit, in place, to lead JWs into apostasy and UN alliances. (Dan11:32a) It is what it is.

But some JW Apaches, some, not many, have shot the GB with the arrow:

(Revelation 2:2) . . .‘I know your deeds, and your labor and endurance, and that you cannot bear bad men, and that you put those to the test who say they are apostles, but they are not, and you found them liars.

Scarlet blood is what rUNs in the GB vein.
 

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[QUOTE=Joshuastone7;12859]Okay, here are a few thoughts that are going through my head I need to write down and hopefully someone can help me with. 

In Dan 2 the stone of Jehovah’s kingdom hits the image at the iron and clay. The iron is Rome, so therefore it would appear that means the iron would survive all the way to the end. 

In Rev 17 John tells us that five have fallen, one is and the other had not arrived, being the 7th. The one that was during Johns life, was number 6, Rome.

Now if the iron in Dan 2 is Rome and also the 6th world power, then why is the iron seen surviving all the way to the point the stone crushes the image? Granted it is mixed with clay at some point, but the iron does continue to exist until the stone crushes it.

So one would think that somehow Rome will be part of the 7th and the 8th powers. Is this not what we can take from the image?

You know what else is interesting, the image shows the stone crushing it, but according to Rev Babylon is destroyed before the stone hits the image. Not a big deal, just something I noticed. Which would actually mean that the head of the image in Dan 2 should have been cut off before the stone hits it.

Unless the image is only really to represent the idea of mans rule and not a collection of current nations. We know Babylon, Greece, Medo-Persia-Rome of course, but these entities are seen alive in Rev 13 at the end. So the image represents a line of kingdoms through time (as we know), or also a collection of current kingdoms? And we know at least the last one of the iron and clay must still be around…. Grrrrrr[/QUOTE]

Here is my speculation and world government take on it.

Maybe that is why some call World Government the “4th Reich” of the “Holy Roman Empire” completing its original global-empire mission as one whole Daniel 2 “immense image” WHOLE totality, as of course: 8th King World Government. 

The Roman system principles are very deep in the Anglo system mix of world government basics that the Romans tried to achieve, but were unable for various reasons. The Anglo-American guided, but global participatory, “Neo-Roman” 4th Reich will be successful, as REQUIRED total world government, for “one hour” of Revelation 17:12, after the 7th King falls fully, next.

In other words, of all 8 world powers, the 8th King reign is the shortest of them all, “one hour”, very brief, yet of some duration. (Dan12:11)

8th King/King North World Government is still based on the original Roman advanced global-empire model, expanded in the 2nd Reich post Charlemagne Catholic empire (800-1800+), revived in the Nazi 3rd Reich attempt (1930-1945), now absorbed by the Anglo-American “Neo-Nimrod” “seed” coming, or “The 4th Reich” World Government.

These are the Neo-Babylonian Satanic Globalist “Head of Gold”, masculine symbol of “Babylon” World Government in totality, as all kingdoms go back to the first world government attempt of Genesis 10-11:1-9, under King Nimrod, they still recognized as Old Grand-Pappy.

It is ALL about: World Government. 

8th King, King North, King Fierce of Countenance, the whole “scarlet wild beast” and the whole Daniel 2 “immense image” are ALL 666 WORLD GOVERNMENT. It is the simple, final, global-sovereign “equation” of the whole Bible and the whole global development we are now seeing about to enter the 7th King downfall phase, same as King South downfall of Daniel 11:42-43, prior to world government of Daniel 11:44-45; (Rev13:5-7; Rev11:7; Rev17:8-12).

God will let this go ALL THE WAY. (Dan11:41-45, in full); (Bethel is invaded in Daniel 11:41 next, not their Daniel 11:44 deluded over-advancement to throw JWs off)

(There are interestingly 4 western based power systems in this progression to world government as well: Greece, Rome, Anglo-America, Globalist Empire as the global totality of that WHOLE Daniel 2 image climaxes into world government based on the western model of empire. (There were 4 eastern powers, Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia absorbed by Grecian period of domination)

Messianic Kingdom Makes a Mess of 8th King World Government

But as weak as the 7th King/King South “feet and toes” basis now is, all divided up for conquest in every manner imaginable, all set to fall into 8th King rise into world government in some years, it is still taken out by the Messianic Kingdom “stone” direct “hit”, NOT collapse (Matt24:6; Luke21:9), which Messianic Kingdom is also set for its final completion drive coming up. (Rev8-11)

That fairly simple 8th King=King North basic obvious equation, is being covered up by apostate UN-Bethel, to aid their world government masters by internal compromise. (Dan11:32a; Dan8:12)

World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

THAT is the simple main point Apostate Bethel is now concealing, but it is coming out anyways, and will also complete when God trashes Bethel as Daniel 8:13-14 parallel Daniel 11:41, to be sacked as the 7th King starts its final “sword stroke” fall as well. (Rev13:3; Rev17:8-12; Isa41:1)

“The end” is NOT next, the end of Bethel apostasy (Dan11:41; Dan8:13-14) and the 7th King “old world order” (Dan11:42-43) is what falls next, to enable the 8th King “New World Order” global rise of world government. So, the Daniel 2 “immense image” is to be “standing” at the “place called in Hebrew, Har-Magedon, as world government.

It is really that simple. Now we know what Bethel is concealing, and why, and that will bewilder JWs for quite some time when “the end” does not arrive quite as soon as JWs expect, due to the Bethel delusion of 2 Thessalonians 2:1-2.

World Government is what Bethel is helping conceal from JWs, as a requirement of global development and the final propehcy that mirrors it. That is also why Bethel will prematurely cancel the JW ministry globally, to try to make sure the news never comes forth, and God will allow it, because the JW “constant feature” is now profaned with UN NGO pollutants and a JW ministry severely out of date.

 

 

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> The real thing that made me leave the org is I was attacked from within the org they put a likeness image of me in the mag with the words “do not engage in debates with apostates”
> They literally used the literature to attack me personally.. All I did was try to explain to the org the odd written coincidences and untruths and some of the
> deviant art.. They treated me like I was crazy. They just would not be fair. Or even give me at least a hearing. Quite bizarre.. I am a brother. At least for
> now until they try to totally eject me.. The control is mind boggling. I hate to feel this way because I gave my heart to this arrangement.. I live morally,
> I do the best I can and if something is wrong it bothers me very much. In my life experience with the org every time there was a strange situation they
> always came down on the wrong side when strangers didn’t.. It is a pure stumbling block it’s as though Satan is pulling the strings and we get attacked
> when we will not allow ourselves be controlled.

I believe it, pray very hard, and use the apostasy to BUILD faith, it IS prophecy fulfilling before our eyes in “lifting themselves over everyone” global public fashion. (That GB=FDS blasphemy; 2012-13 fulfills our signal of 2Thess2:3-4, which “apostasy” cross links Daniel 11:32a)

Yes it is the Daniel 11:32-35 “stumbling” and refining process, as some resist the modern “operation of error” and “the lie” it matures into, now terminal a total derailing. But as Jesus said God is looking for those worshiping in spirit and truth, and that is done 24/7/365 no matter where we are, the org was supposed to be an aiding instrument, and that is why they entered it, and infest it, with the stumbling spirit, and the profanation objects that increase that negative spirit. It is all in Daniel 8:12 and Daniel 11:32-35, and it is parallel and has an appointed time of eventual CESSATION of God’s permission of the modern error. (2Thess2:11-12)

(Ezekiel 9:4) 4 And Jehovah went on to say to him: “Pass through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and you must put a mark on the foreheads of the men that are sighing and groaning over all the detestable things that are being done in the midst of it.”

(Malachi 3:16) At that time those in fear of Jehovah spoke with one another, each one with his companion, and Jehovah kept paying attention and listening. And a book of remembrance began to be written up before him for those in fear of Jehovah and for those thinking upon his name.

All those are PRE-temple-judgment parallels as God observes who is rejecting the modern apostates from Bethel’s leaders, and of course who is not. But it will be with a view to repentance, and getting back on track, however God does this, but it will be severe, I think it is best to expect the worst, then anything better will be a relief.

This is why there are TWO “witnesses” of anointed Christian TWO Kingdom proclamation, as the “second witness” reaffirms the “first witness” while the “first witness” sets the master prophetic event pattern that outline for us, ALREADY, the final cycle leading to 8th King world government, and when complete in “one hour” of final permitted “gentile” resistance to God’s Kingdom, the Christ arrives to complete the gathering of the Messianic Kingdom members, as GOD complete that Kingdom agency in the face of the full rival 8th King system, to save sheep first, then to depose the rival world government.

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In this way we can know, BEFORE it happens where the apostate and 7th King downfall is REALLY leading, to the final 8th King world government “placement” cycle of Daniel 12:11, as Daniel 11:44-45 final “attack”, of the deep future, results in the cessation of the CLEAN and final warning. Now we are just at the exposing of the “lawless one” initial awareness, but it too comes out with the final warning, in detail. So the final warning, is based on the first warning, as it is leading to the very 8th King full entity that the warning will describe BEFORE it completes, in this final witnessing drawn out process.

In the wisdom of God the “first witness” explains it all for us, we just put in the final two UN 3-4 events, to make it REAL for this final generation. THAT is why they conceal that 3rd UN placement of 1990 (Dan11:31b; Dan8:23) for now, to break what is a successful continuum as per Daniel 11:36. MAKE copies of this stuff, because JW brothers and sisters must eventually accept reality for the final warning of the Rev9-10 recovery phase. This forecast is just an awareness that it REPEATS in final form, so with Daniel 8:13-14 as Revelation 8:3-5, it WILL verify itself in time. Of course God was going to send out a full and accurate final outline, BEFORE Bethel hits the fan, and in time angels will be required in covert form, to open the final warning recovery, hence Revelation 9.

The first four trumpets are the explanation of the temple judgment, and it connects as Revelation 8-11 all the way to world government “ascension” (Rev11:7) and Christ arrival in the fifth-to-sixth trumpet (Rev11:11-12), BEFORE the 7th trumpet total conquest phase. Christ arrives with the 7th plague “air event”, also prior to total conquest, as the trumpets and plagues roughly parallel to Christ arrival as the “wildbeast that ascends from the abyss” (Rev11:7) is the whole Revelation 17:8-18 process, in final form of world government final global presentation.

It is all the same pattern as in 1914-1919 1260 days first warning, that presented the League of Nations as they deposed the first witness for first round Daniel 12:11. Now it just winds up as Daniel 11:41-45 at that same Daniel 12:11, but as world government deposing the second witness, all the same pattern. God starts with Revelation 8:3-5, in Daniel 11:41 coming full blown anti-JW-org events, as Daniel 8:13-14, to wake up (Matt25:1-13) and recover JWs, of course, well BEFORE full world government, to give that final warning.

Keep praying for faith and verification of the prophecy through Christ to God and they will help you, and keep studying. THAT is why they dumb down JWs, because it is ALL ALREADY in the very prophecy they are now “throwing truth to the earth” (Dan8:12) concealing from INSIDE of Bethel leadership. It is all in Daniel 8 and 11, in specific details of the 3rd UN to 4th UN continuum, in which process the UN allied apostasy co-develops in that identifiable 1990 3rd UN period. When Fred Franz “died”, that is when they took 100% control to today, all fakes from King North in the GB, as per Daniel 11:32a, and Daniel 8:12 “gradually give over”.

And use the old NWT black Bible, not that lukewarm “1/3” grey thing. It has II-II-II (666) on the binding bar symbol, and means JWs are “off white” in profanation. That “scarlet” backdrop curtain is no accident at the Stanley Theater meetings. In the future, of course you will be more helpful to now deluded JWs, but that Bethel premature end JW delusion is the main delusion of also 2 Thessalonians 2:1-2. THAT is how they cloud up JW awareness with premature end hype. In time “the end” will NOT arrive quite as soon as JWs are now over-expecting, as per 2Thess2:1-2 warning “to the effect the day of Jehovah is here” WAY TOO SOON!. Much more has yet to take place, MUCH MUCH MORE.

Have a nice day.

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On July 17, 15, I_know_better_now wrote:
> I do not disagree with what you are saying. I know something is seriously
> wrong. I have been seeing what Daniel says and I too saw what you are saying. I
> have been trying to help the local brothers to see certain things but they have
> now shut me out. They will not hear what I have to say.
Pray for help in the faith area, because the Messianic Kingdom is the final “replacement” that is coming, and we will be going through a testing and scattering period, to emerge into the final witness, in which the Bethel UN aligned apostasy is “chapter 1” of the final expose’. Daniel 8:13-14 is severe and timed for future verification, NO WAY has that yet fulfilled.

Then everything they have been covering up in UN NGO and a foretold 3rd UN presentation prophecy, UN1-2-3 en route to 4, must also come out with that final warning. Now by that time there will be great org and 7th King fall events, plus that 1990 UN presentation, that will make the prophecy more understandable when real events are seen by many.

As in 1914-1919 WW1 and League of Nations to WW2 and United Nations presentations, those brothers, sisters and the people had events from the context of their own times that made it very very believable. And that builds faith in prophecy that matched those events.

Thus what is coming will do the same, and it will have to connect to that 1990 3rd UN event, and we will be in 7th King downfall, and org downfall, to whatever degree God purposes for the org, while in route to 8th King world government as that 4th UN presentation in the end of the prophecy.

What Bethel has done is truncate JWs modern mentality from the UN first two presentation CONNECTION to that 3rd UN presentation, UN 1-2-3, now concealed. And that is why the prophecy is dated, 1919-945 UN activity is now from another era of WW1 and WW2, and that is to make JWs and others get drowsy and severed from a prophecy that is a CONTINUUM 1-2-3-4.

God will have to connect the first two UN presentations, to that 3rd UN now concealed, while en route to that 4th UN, UN1-2-3-4. And it will come out with the Messianic Kingdom completion news that will accompany the development through the final warning, to full Christ arrival. And that is why this is all allowed, the apostasy to temple judgment will allow a very CONVINCING final prophecy explanation to emerge, as those events manifest, while the 7th King is in fall mode, and indeed they must be heading to 8th King world government.

So the warning precedes 8th King world government, backed by modern events, and world government will trigger Christ arrival, and it will REAFFIRM the same Kingdom theme of the first witness of 1914-1919, that led to the League of Nations, but this time this global crisis is “healing” into full world government upon the exact same pattern, merely in final form.

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[QUOTE who=”Stewart Wyndham Smythe”]God told us Armageddon will occur, and nothing can be done to stop this?
So the Watchtower role is to help this process along by lying making up false predictions.
encouraging anyone they can con into joining their doom laden preachings
They are helping spread fear and rumor, to destabilize as many as possible to help create gods Armageddon. Rutherford a drunken scoundrel was leader and a big lier. This is why it is Good for the JW to tell as many lies a possible.
its all beginning to make sense now. . [/QUOTE]

That is what the Bethel goal is as apostate, to make people think the propehcy will not come true. But when the propehcy does come true, those who allowed lack of faith to develop just because Bethel went apostate, will have a more difficult time adjusting to the prophecy manifesting over 10 to 14 years or so, that is however long it takes to crash the 7th King led US/EU system, to recover it, and to present world government in that recovery.

As we see apostate Bethel is also preparing the “doomsday scenario” (2Thess2:1-2) for JWs, so they can crash the JW org (Dan11:41; Dan8:13), as that 7th King financial system starts to fall (Dan11:42-43) into a final global war “sword stroke”. But as we see in Revelation 13:3, the “sword stroke” must heal, and that into world government—and that take some time.

It will NOT be the end, that is a Bethel delusion to derail JWs, cancel their ministry, and crash the JW org with a smokescrren cover story, and exit strategy. (JWs will lose bookoo bucks, 4 or 5 BILLION)

So JWs are also beign misled by THE SIGNAL premature end delusion, the one at 2Thessalonians 2:1-2, so that the Bethel apostates and UN aiding impostors can sack the org (Dan8:11), and just tell JWs “it is the end brothers!” “well done!”, “good bye!!!”,

—signed 8th King/King North. (Dan11:32a; Dan8:12; Zech3:1-3; 2Thess2:1-4,9)

They just abandon JWs and let them figure it out on their own, in the “tribulation of those days” but beginning which leads not to “the end” (Matt24:6; Luke21:9), but to the required 8th King world government finale, OF COURSE.

Since this takes some final years, all misled can in time catch on to what is happening, and what the US major crash /(Dan11:42-43) will mean, in time:

World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

That is the MAIN SIMPLE TRUTH, that Bethel is now concealing as an infiltrated ministry (Dan8:12), with the rest of Christendom also infiltrated and controlled for the same purpose.

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Keep The Baby, Throw Out Bethel Bathwater
https://jwupdate.wordpress.com/2015/07/07/keep-the-baby-throw-out-gbbethel-bathwater/

Why TWO Witnesses?
https://jwupdate.wordpress.com/2015/07/07/why-two-witnesses/

Russia Framed as King North—The Purpose
https://jwupdate.wordpress.com/2015/07/18/russia-framed-as-king-north-the-true-purpose/

That is what is really going on, don’t get duped too.

 

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[QUOTE who=”UN-Bethel”]<quoted text>
“”The Bible speaks not only of the attack by ‘Gog of Magog’ but also of the attack by “the king of the north” and of the attack by “the kings of the earth.” (Ezek. 38:2, 10-13; Dan. 11:40, 44, 45; Rev. 17:14; 19:19) Do these represent separate attacks? Not likely. The Bible is no doubt referring to the same attack under different names. Why can we draw that conclusion? Because the Scriptures tell us that all the nations of the earth will be involved in this final attack that prompts the war of Armageddon.””

WT 5/15/15

“”Do these represent separate attacks? Not likely.””[/QUOTE]

This is true, but we are not under full world government when those attacks do converge as Revelation 11:7, Rev13:5-7 post 1260 days “one hour” finale of 8th King King North WORLD GOVERNMENT.

[QUOTE who=”UN-Bethel”]”The Bible is no doubt referring to the same attack under different names. ”
[/QUOTE]

This is true, it ALL equates to King North 8th King WORLD GOVERNMENT.

[QUOTE who=”UN-Bethel”] Because the Scriptures tell us that all the nations of the earth will be involved in this final attack that prompts the war of Armageddon.””
“[/QUOTE]

But that is not true. It is the REQUIRED 7th King King South downfall period, and a final “epic war” “sword stroke”, not Armageddon yet.

They are selling JWs the 7th King “sword stroke” that “heals” into world government (Rev13:3; Rev17:8-12), and the true final attack of Gog, King North and 8th King all as the same thing, WORLD GOVERNMENT, under Satan, still “Gog”; (Eze38:7)

World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

And that is what Bethel is CONCEALING, “to the effect the day of Jehovah is HERE”, prematurely, to aid the JW hoax.

(2 Thessalonians 2:1-2) 2 However, brothers, respecting the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we request of YOU 2 not to be quickly shaken from YOUR reason nor to be excited either through an inspired expression or through a verbal message or through a letter as though from us, to the effect that the day of Jehovah is here.

Bethel is the apostate “lawless one”, “as though from us” claimant anointed apostles..

(Revelation 2:2) . . .‘I know your deeds, and your labor and endurance, and that you cannot bear bad men, and that you put those to the test who say they are apostles, but they are not, and you found them liars.

…promoting a premature end delusion among JWs, to sell them the 7th King downfall “tribulation of those days” as if it is the end, TOO SOON, when in fact it is the final global transition to 8th King world government.

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In this way Bethel can be globally “trampled” (Dan8:13), well before world government (Dan11:41), and they can sell that to JWs as “the end”, cancel the JW ministry as if “prophecy fulfilling brothers”, and dump JWs into that global crisis without a clue as to coming world government requirement of prophecy.

It is a HOAX set up. JWs will be scattered, orgless, and bewildered.**

Bethel Hoax: Premature End Expectation
http://templelijah.wordpress.com/more-man-of-lawlessness/the-bethel-hoax-and-premature-end-of-the-world-expectation/

Bethel’s Main Delusion: The End is Near, Jehovah’s Day is Here! – is a Signal of The Final Apostasy
http://templelijah.wordpress.com/more-man-of-lawlessness/bethels-main-delusion-the-end-is-near-jehovahs-day-is-here-is-a-signal-of-the-final-apostasy/

Temple Judgment to World Government to Christ Arrival
http://templelijah.wordpress.com/graphics-of-final-cycle/temple-judgment-to-world-government-to-christ-arrival-revelation-11-and-daniel-12/

After Bethel is sacked, JWs will have to be recovered by God, those who are recoverable.

**Modern Sign of Jonah – Jehovah’s Witnesses Going Down for Three Years by Bethel Global Organizational Intrigues
http://templelijah.wordpress.com/2014/11/30/modern-sign-of-jonah-jehovahs-witnesses-going-down-for-three-years-by-bethel-global-organizational-intrigues/

Bethel is now being “reverse engineered” and their “operation of error” and their “lie” is being exposed (2Thess2:11-12), and it will all come out once God gets done with them. (Dan8:13-14; Zech3:4-5; Mal3:1-5; 2Thess2:8)

Repeat:

World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

THAT is what PROPHECY tells us the US national system debt downfall leads to. (Dan11:42-43 and then Daniel 11:44-45)

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[QUOTE who=”xjw”]<quoted text>
So how do you explain the worship at the throne of Father and his Christ revelation 5[/QUOTE]

It’s an overview of all completions in my opinion. Like it has occurred in preview, but the full thing is coming when Satan is abyssed and the current global rival world government is 100% deposed.

Even thought the understanding of the “seven seals” “opened” to Christ has yet to totally fulfill, the complete “24 elder” picture is a completion hint, as everything in all those seven seals. The seven trumpets and seven seals unfolds in Rev8-11 in full, in the future, with Rev 16 global events; much of which is marked in the coming 7th King downfall (Dan11:42-43), which JWs are being misled to misperceive as if “the end” (2Thess2:1-2), PREMATURELY, as if that final “sword stroke” (Rev13:3) is actually a full death stroke. (which is is not, it is “as though” “slaughtered to death” all for effect.)

But as per propehcy the “HEALING” into world government “ascension” is what is yet to full transpire, instead.

So JWs are being misled so the intel op in Bethel can crash the org, and concealing it by telling JWs it is “the end brothers!”, and they can abandon the place, and loot it, and just leave JWs abandoned to figure it out for themselves. (Dan8:13-14)

All I am saying is there is no express command of Christ worship at this time.

In the meantime a asset-booty score like WTBTS 10 billion, beign guarded by naive JW dolts, is enough incentive to attract con artists to operate through a corporate infiltration fronted by the GB illegal, fictional, “body of divine authority”.

At about 50/50 in my opinion, they will loot JWs, in an ongoign process of 5 billion liquid and cash assets, NOW EXITING the Bethell joint by derivatives channeling through a major globalist intel banking network, and they will seize another 5 billion in nailed down hard assets, like JW “New World [order] Headquarters” up in Wallkill, etc, etc, etc, etc… worldwide.

And God will require it (Dan8:13-14), and allow it (Dan11:41) because WTBTS are a UN orifice and compromised anti-JW globalist intel, tracking, and internment hub anyways, now totally lost in UN sponsorship and partnerships.

Hence Matthew 24:15 to get THE HELL OUT OF THE JW ORG!!! NOW!!!! IT IS AN ANTI-JW GLOBALIST [[[TRAP]]] SYSTEM.

So I concentrate on that, not some of this other stuff, because these events will be in a 7th KIng US/EU downfall period of “King South”, as the distracting global context, that all people will see or fell in some form in the future, PRIOR to Christ arrival. You know, as Daniel 11:41-45 merges into Daniel 12, in full final form.

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World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.
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In the meantime, everything else is a distraction, ESPECIALLY the Bethel controversy pot and smokescreens.

That above world government completion is all you need to watch out for to know what MUST complete BEFORE Christ “drops in”, and ANYONE can be saved that supports Christ: ANYONE, regardless of various distracting issues, it is an individual judgment, and ANYONE can be saved for that WHOLE period as per Revelation 14.

That is why it will go all the way to the wire. That flushed out all the premature expectations, like that in JWs, which will be one of the first to fail, then the rapture will fail, because they are prematurely expected, and so on.

Make no mistake, SATAN’S [[[ONLY OPTION]]], IS PREMATURE FULFILLEMNT DELUSION AND FALSE PROPEHCY CLOAKING OF HIS 666 WORLD GOVERNMENT DECOY COUNTERFEIT SYSTEM, TO COMPLETE FIRST, IN THAT STEP AHEAD OF EVERYONE PROCESS.

World Government and Premature “Fulfillment” of Prophecy
https://jwupdate.wordpress.com/2015/07/05/world-government-and-premature-fulfillment-of-prophecy/

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[QUOTE who=”Anonymous Brother”]<quoted text>
I believe the technical term is “rebutted”. Refuted is a final decision.
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Of course, that requires logic based on facts not suppositions.[/QUOTE]

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And so it is written:

(Daniel 12:8-10) . . .Now as for me, I heard, but I could not understand; so that I said: “O my lord, what will be the final part of these things?” 9 And he went on to say: “Go, Daniel, because the words are made secret and sealed up until the time of [the] end. 10 Many will cleanse themselves and whiten themselves and will be refined. And the wicked ones will certainly act wickedly, and no wicked ones at all will understand; but the ones having insight will understand.

Now even Daniel did not understand, for it was not time. Thus we cannot judge why some do not understand, but we know some are not acceptable, while others just have not been given the “insight” yet, which requires CLEANSING.

(John 3:19-21) . . .Now this is the basis for judgment, that the light has come into the world but men have loved the darkness rather than the light, for their works were wicked. 20 For he that practices vile things hates the light and does not come to the light, in order that his works may not be reproved. 21 But he that does what is true comes to the light, in order that his works may be made manifest as having been worked in harmony with God.”

And now that “light” gets brighter as more details of Christ come forth, but as usual, some are in dark activities, while yet claiming to be believers:

(Matthew 7:21-23) 21 “Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the kingdom of the heavens, but the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. 22 Many will say to me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ 23 And yet then I will confess to them: I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness.

Thus some may still be ignorant, but others are doing lawlessness, unrepentant, aided by religious lawless leaders, and they will not “see” it:

(Revelation 1:1) . . .A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place.. . .

Real “slaves” will understand.

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Because more is yet to take place:

(2 Peter 1:19-21) Consequently we have the prophetic word [made] more sure; and you are doing well in paying attention to it as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until day dawns and a daystar rises, in your hearts. 20 For you know this first, that no prophecy of Scripture springs from any private interpretation. 21 For prophecy was at no time brought by man’s will, but men spoke from God as they were borne along by holy spirit.

Though, as usual, it will come through the “slaves”, the real “interpretation” is brought forth by God, to turn the lights on in the head and heart, as it gets closer to “day”, or the full arrival of Jesus Christ.

Much more has to to complete, such as 7th King required downfall. (Dan11:42-43), and the final temple judgment to START the final cycle. (1Pet4:17; Dan8:13-14, Rev8:3-5, as Daniel 11:41, soon)

World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

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8 Kings: Why the 7th King Anglo-American National System Must “Fall”
http://templelijah.wordpress.com/world-war-4-un-4-0/8-kings-why-the-7th-king-anglo-american-national-system-must-fall/

8th King World Government Rise with 7th King Nation State Fall
https://jwupdate.wordpress.com/world-government/8th-king-world-government-rise-with-7th-king-nation-state-fall/

King 8 Versus King 7—The New World Order to Capture the Old World Order
https://jwupdate.wordpress.com/2015/06/19/king-8-versus-king-7-the-new-world-order-to-capture-the-old-world-order/

8th King World Peace—Guaranteed
https://jwupdate.wordpress.com/2015/05/21/8th-king-world-peace-guaranteed/

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[QUOTE who=”moshe dayan”]
Some more in possible support-
Ps145:15 All eyes look hopefully to you;
You give them their food in its season.
16 You open your hand
And satisfy the desire of every living thing.
[/QUOTE]

If we can imagine it, and search the “book of Jehovah” to locate all over the place, then it will be even BEYOND what we can imagine.

NOTHING is to good to be true.

(1 Corinthians 2:9-10) But just as it is written: “Eye has not seen and ear has not heard, neither have there been conceived in the heart of man the things that God has prepared for those who love him.” 10 For it is to us God has revealed them through his spirit, for the spirit searches into all things, even the deep things of God.

What are people thinking, that this whole material universe is just to provide a starry ceiling to planet Earth?

No, there is going to be far far far far far far far far more to the story once Satan is out of the way, as if he never even existed at all.

Heck, even the birds already know:

(Job 12:7-10) However, ask, please, the domestic animals, and they will instruct you; Also the winged creatures of the heavens, and they will tell you.  8 Or show your concern to the earth, and it will instruct you; And the fishes of the sea will declare it to you.  9 Who among all these does not well know That the hand of Jehovah itself has done this, 10 In whose hand is the soul of everyone alive And the spirit of all flesh of man?

It is only man, since Genesis 3, that is “out of the loop”, as God puts it out anyways on a “need to know basis” that even animals are aware of.

That is why when it says Christ gathers ALL things, it means ALL things.

And when God himself says “LOOK!!! I am making ALL things new”, he means ALL things.

Thus the Re-generation, or the Re-Creation, of Christ is as thorough to the divine completion spec of the will of God done on earth, just as in heaven:

(Matthew 19:28) Jesus said to them: “Truly I say to YOU, In the re-creation, when the Son of man sits down upon his glorious throne. . .

It is basically going to be Genesis 2.0, but now through the Last Adam, Christ, and that perfection of human “body” he also has to restore all things under the living one:

(Hebrews 10:10) By the said “will” we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all time.

Thus there is more than just atonement blood, in that all encompassing perfect sacrifice of the Jesus Christ in his perfect whole human being form.

Jesus Christ—Last Adam Perfect DNA
https://jwupdate.wordpress.com/2015/06/14/jesus-christ-last-adam-perfect-dna-and-global-recovery/

Just as in Genesis 1:26-28, as that blessing turned to curse, all things are affected under death. Thus when Christ REPLACES the now sinful Adamic patriarch, now dead, of the whole thing, as Last Adam, through his perfected “bride” implied “Last Eve”, then LIFE will be the top power of that hierarchy.

And that too, will affect the entire life system of planet Earth.

(Hebrews 2:14-16) Therefore, since the “young children” are sharers of blood and flesh, he also similarly partook of the same things, that through his death he might bring to nothing the one having the means to cause death, that is, the Devil; 15 and [that] he might emancipate all those who for fear of death were subject to slavery all through their lives. 16 For he is really not assisting angels at all, but he is assisting Abraham’s seed.

Thus the Abrahamic covenant “blessing” is tied as Christ “assists”, be destroying Satan, the one “with the ability to cause death”, but not for long.

(1 Corinthians 15:25-28) For he must rule as king until [God] has put all enemies under his feet. 26 As the last enemy, death is to be brought to nothing. …28 But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone.

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[QUOTE who=”Lordylordy9111″]<quoted text>
God must redeem the reproach the “evil slave” brought on His Holy name. This must be done BEFORE armageddon so He can find His sheep fold. God is the Shepherd that must heal His flock. He will fix what the “evil slave” broke.
We need to continue to preach the good news.[/QUOTE]

Yes. And when we see the secular researchers openly explaining how sovereign debt default (Dan11:42-43) affect national sovereign power of “old world order” national governments making them subservient, and able to be guided into wars and false-flags, etc, etc, then we know this kind of news, which Bethel IGNORES, means the 7th King falls as the King South system is the nation-state based “old world order”.

And its fall is how the 8th King King North “new world order” rises into their “one hour” of full world government, yet the shortest reign of all these world power systems in that seven headed beast. Which WHOLE “scarlet wildbeast”, not a mere head, but the TOTALITY, is 8th King world government.

Which UN-Bethel ALSO refuses to summarize, to aid the premature “end” delusion, instead. Now they can sell the 7th King US and EU systems debt default process, and its ramifications, as a global crisis to heal into world government, as if “the end”.

So JWs, by GB deceptions, are now fully primed for that HOAX, and they can watch Bethel sacked, as Bethel tells them “it’s the end brothers!” and cloaks that anti-JW org action (Dan11:41; Dan8:13) AS IF it is “the end” “to the effect the day of Jehovah is here” way too soon in this process of 7th King King South system subservience of Daniel 11:42-43, actually coming up, at global scale of King North final wealth pawning, thus sovereign power seizure.

They do not tell JWs WHY UN-Bethel is going down, nor WHERE we will be in this process in prophecy location, instead telling JWs to expect Daniel 11:44 next, to cloak the “attack” of Daniel 8:13/Dan11:41, AS IF that far in the prophecy in Daniel 11:44.

Now OBVIOUSLY the USSR cannot fulfill Daniel 11:41 or Daniel 11:42-43, it is OBVIOUS. So they use that unaddressed USSR error, to keep JWs too far into Daniel 11, expecting “Daniel 11:44 is next brothers!”.

When in reality Daniel 11:41 full blown anti-JW org “invasion” is what is coming in the context of Daniel 11:42-43 activating globally, in the real 8th King King North advantage.

JWs will be in a HOAX for that Daniel 8:13 “evening” of this kind of darkness, achieving the full coup purpose for which the GB is MOL “in the temple” to lead this deception.

Thus we can expect the global financial crisis and its global complications, to be sold to JWs “at that time”,”soon, very soon” AS IF it is the total end.

Instead God can use these global scale developments and their eventually fully vocal world government objective to wake up many people in this process, and the big fireworks signal, will be Bethel tumbling into this tsunami judged for the UN NGO “transgression causing desolation” to the org, as per Daniel 8:13.

(Haggai 2:7) . . .“‘And I will rock all the nations, and the desirable things of all the nations must come in; and I will fill this house with glory,’ Jehovah of armies has said.

Daniel 11:42-43 shows KN taking global “gold and silver” control, but God states the warning next:

(Haggai 2:8) . . .“‘The silver is mine, and the gold is mine,’ is the utterance of Jehovah of armies.

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[QUOTE who=”sidgi”]<quoted text>
You seem to be saying that you consider that chasing after your pet peeve is more important to you than promoting a clear understanding of the bible.
[/QUOTE]

It is not a pet peeve. It does affirm the first witnessing of 1914-1919 that IDd 7th King and 8th King designate co-emerging with the whole globalist military and financial complex which keeps progressing in steps, 4 of them, to world government, the entity that triggers the Christ arrival in the 6th trumpet.

The seven trumpets gauge events that lead to that arrival. The 1260 days cross links of Revelation 11:2-3, 13:5-7; Rev12:14; Dan7:25, 12:7 all repeat in the future and ID the final warning, to Christ arrival period (Dan12:11; 1290 days period active), to that milestone period.

It will not get any clearer than 7 trumpets gauging over the timed milestone periods of:

1. Temple Judgment— 2300 “evenings and mornings” (Rev8), to ministerial total recovery (Rev9),

2. to final warning commission (Rev10)

3. to final warning 1260 days prior to world government and hence Christ arrival. (Rev11)

And it is ALL based on the original Jehovah’s witnesses titled anointed Christian ministry of 1914-1919, because WW1 leading to 7th King predominance and 8th King world government foundation, is the same pattern that repeats starting with Bethel judgment (Dan11:41; Dan8:13-14).

BUT THIS TIME THE GLOBAL CRISIS LEADS TO WORLD GOVERNMENT FINALE, AND CHRIST ARRIVAL.

Same pattern, now it is the end sequence.

And that promotes the clear understanding of PROPHECY OUTLINE TO WORLD GOVERNMENT AND CHRIST ARRIVAL, to unfold over these last several years, which understanding is Bethel is now working like hell for King North 8th King interests to conceal, derail, and attempt to destroy in the cancelled JW ministry, and corporate takeover, marked as UN NGO, to manifest as they even tell JWs to expect Bethel desolations.

They just do not tell JWs why, and where we shall be as the temple judgment BUT BEGINS. (1Pet4:17)

And how does Bethel bypass JWs over the whole final cycle?

By preaching and promoting the premature end delusion of 2 Thessalonians 2:1-2, as the modern man of lawlessness component who has now adjoined themselves with Christendom interests and the 8th King UN NGO interest, securing that desolation as per Daniel 8:13-14.

Think all that is just from human imagination? Well you can think that as many will, so the first four trumpets and the Daniel 8:13-14 times and phased temple judgment will arrive with the 7th King downfall (Dan11:42-43) just beginning, to try to wake up people to REALITY; REALITY already all summarized in the first propehcy cycle, merely applied to the last prophecy cycle.

You and others will get YEARS to contemplate those first four trumpets alone, before the final warning is given those anointed Christians making the temple judgment purification “right condition” approval, of the FDS [designate] of the “five discreet virgins” parallels of the final warning “second witness” “body” of the “remaining ones of her seed” that spearhead the final warning.

World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

THAT is the simple main point.

THAT IS THE CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF THE PROPHECY AND WORLD EVENTS IT FORECASTS THAT LEAD TO CHRIST ARRIVAL.

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[QUOTE who=”Mikronboy”]Basically, JW’s are obsessed with every aspect of a person’s behaviour. It’s mentally very unhealthy.
[/QUOTE]

I am afraid, after 40 years of GB neurotics running the place, this is true. JWs are a “mental disorder” created by delusions of the premature “end of the world BROTHERS!!!!!!” (2Thess2:1-2), a Gehenna edged GB pushing GUILT TRIP and INQUISITION OF FEAR, and a micro-focus on all form of “GNATS” to strain, while in secret, Bethel up and joined THE WILDBEAST “gulping down the rotten UN-Camel”!!!!!

Such a mix or error, custom JW neurosis, and serious GLOBAL SCALE hypocrisy, fronted by that ridiculous celebrity GB glory seeking clown group, all creates MENTAL CHAOS.

The more a JW investigates all this, and the more they sit in their bedrooms at night REALLY THINKING ABOUT IT ALL, the more psychological disruptions occur, for now it is all seeded with illogic, throughout the whole foundational complex of JW beliefs.

Between the lines, the GB lawless hypocrites are jack-hammering the ENTIRE JW belief system, and that will create a deep seated neurosis by the psychological conflicts such activity will cause—the more one thinks about it privately. It is a custom Bethel infused “pathology” of a specialized “JW neurosis”, that until dealt with by LEAVING, will manifest in non productive and spiritually destructive ways.

While in denial, it causes JWs to avoid thinking on the matter. This means avoiding parables and prophecy that no longer jive with the Bethel cover-up, and instead detail the basics of a leadership GONE BAD, UN partnered bad. All the same apostasy symptoms are now manifest in the GB idol.

The less JWs think about, the longer the ship will drift to the iceberg. And worse, the longer JWs will remain on that ship. Hence Matthew 24:15, because it can get no more disgusting thing than supposed anointed Christians adjoining the wildbeast system, as UN NGO. It is what it is, the ship is LOST.

All that can be done is trying to snag a few survivors when the crash comes, which crash Bethel is preparing JWs for. They just tell JWs it is “the end”, rather than the UN-Bethel divine rejection being made official as a final required temple judgment. (Dan11:41; Dan8:13-14)

When UN NGO Bethel Placed The Disgusting Thing
https://jwupdate.wordpress.com/2015/03/27/when-did-un-ngo-bethel-placed-the-disgusting-thing/

1990: 3RD UN Presentation—The Key to Modern Bethel Reality
https://jwupdate.wordpress.com/2015/04/08/1990-3rd-un-presentation-the-key-to-modern-bethel-reality/

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[QUOTE who=”wayna”]<quoted text>
watched 1 1/2 of these so far. Take away from first – “Scientific Creativity is becoming financial creativity, which is all of it bogus.”
“Trading algorithms based on things like searches on Google.”
With google so topix-cosy, bet some of us trollees (speaking for self, here) have some influence on trading.
“Temptation to pretty-up data to make it fit elegant theory.”
Sounds like Alchemy which has “everything inevitably evolving and moving through material phase on through to spiritual phase ultimately.” Probably a lot of belief in ‘evolution of species’ and in “immortal soul” is based on the ‘elegance’ of alchemy.[/QUOTE]

They can upload their soul to the cloud:

AI, Immortality and the Future of Selves
http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/more/rothblatt20150611

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In the meantime HFT and ICE have developed with very little comment.

The greatest HFT system test event, so far, in the May 2010 “flash crash”, barely made a blip on world consciousness or news, when in no way can that be purely a sheer random accident.

Now, true, people are reverse engineering how the Fed works, and how money is all debt,

…but these next layers of logic, of how super-computing and global investment/monetary global-centralize-networks on those distributed systems is all “coming together” to “virtualize” the real meltdown phase, no matter how it is engineered to unfold globally, in highly controllable fashion, is alluding pretty much everyone to connect the last dot:

They will control the whole crash, to guide the nations into financial world government, and that first as Daniel 11:42-43 is the LITERAL mapping of this global pawning move.

This kind of market networking is the system of “special FX” to pull this off without losing total control, by controlling the whole crash cycle, to drive it all into the derivatives system final flesh out pot, where all the winners are ALREADY decided. ICE is the worst sign so far, of how far they have gotten, very quickly, in that centralization of all the major exchanges.

And few bat an eye as to what that kind of hubbing of central control means. Plug in HFT, and it is getting set for game day financial sector of global takeover, in systematic manner.

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[QUOTE who=”Beelzebub Hook”]It is different ratios of the basic types of emotions manipulated that defines the real difference between religions. And space aliens, former names of a gods or other kooky dogmas really means little to nothing as facts. What matters is the which basic emotions are being hijacked and quantity of emotional manipulation that is going on. Religion works by manipulating illusions or conditions to why you feel sadness, joy, anger, fear, disgust, love, or any other type of emotion, the basic emotions that have been found in biology. Religion often seems irrational as being factually correct is completely irrelevant.

Most successful religious leaders are naturally self destructive narcissist and without constraints will suck everyone dry around them. Its the successful religions naturally tuned social evolution preventing them from destroying the religion while simultaneity harnessing their heightened selfishness to the benefit of the religion’s ruthless preservation and spread. Of coarse this is generally true of surviving religions. New religions that do not borrow as much from past successful religious tropes tend to be very unstable.[/QUOTE]

That is very true. The religious “virus” is actually quite predatory, and in the end, world government has to then go out and shoot the whorse. It will not die on its own, because its parasite DNA is very successful at harnessing people for its own survival through the ages.

But as the nation-state system starts to really fall, and have to go through that global crisis to heal into world government over a few least years, and the rapture fails, and Bethel was bulldozed and pillaged for billions by the globalists, the entire Christian prophecy complex will be discredited.

And in time, as more and more premature expectations totally fail, like that “beam me up Scotty rapture” global-crisis escape hatch, religions “waters will dry up”, as only the diehards will be left available for the final carrot: ISRAEL IS BEING RESTORED EVERYONE!!! ITS THE ZION KINGDOM OF GOD EVERYONE, NOT THE WILDBEAST!!

Premature expectations and false applications pushed by religious leaders sucking up to money and government, then world government, is the main trick. The world government boys are a step ahead, and for those susceptible to the religious sector, they cloak their decoy in false prophecy, prematurely, to aid its final acceptance AS IF “divine”, while in a balance of discrediting prophecy for those thinking for themselves, at the same time.

Prematurely applied false prophecy is the only option on how to sell the 666 to religionists, for that diminishing sector of delusion.

World Government and Premature “Fulfillment” of Prophecy
https://jwupdate.wordpress.com/2015/07/05/world-government-and-premature-fulfillment-of-prophecy/

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[QUOTE who=”Beelzebub Hook”]It is different ratios of the basic types of emotions manipulated that defines the real difference between religions. And space aliens, former names of a gods or other kooky dogmas really means little to nothing as facts. What matters is the which basic emotions are being hijacked and quantity of emotional manipulation that is going on. Religion works by manipulating illusions or conditions to why you feel sadness, joy, anger, fear, disgust, love, or any other type of emotion, the basic emotions that have been found in biology. Religion often seems irrational as being factually correct is completely irrelevant.

Most successful religious leaders are naturally self destructive narcissist and without constraints will suck everyone dry around them. Its the successful religions naturally tuned social evolution preventing them from destroying the religion while simultaneity harnessing their heightened selfishness to the benefit of the religion’s ruthless preservation and spread. Of coarse this is generally true of surviving religions. New religions that do not borrow as much from past successful religious tropes tend to be very unstable.[/QUOTE]

That is very true. The religious “virus” is actually quite predatory, and in the end, world government has to then go out and shoot the whorse. It will not die on its own, because its parasite DNA is very successful at harnessing people for its own survival through the ages.

But as the nation-state system starts to really fall, and have to go through that global crisis to heal into world government over a few least years, and the rapture fails, and Bethel was bulldozed and pillaged for billions by the globalists, the entire Christian prophecy complex will be discredited.

And in time, as more and more premature expectations totally fail, like that “beam me up Scotty rapture” global-crisis escape hatch, religions “waters will dry up”, as only the diehards will be left available for the final carrot: ISRAEL IS BEING RESTORED EVERYONE!!! ITS THE ZION KINGDOM OF GOD EVERYONE, NOT THE WILDBEAST!!

Premature expectations and false applications pushed by religious leaders sucking up to money and government, then world government, is the main trick. The world government boys are a step ahead, and for those susceptible to the religious sector, they cloak their decoy in false prophecy, prematurely, to aid its final acceptance AS IF “divine”, while in a balance of discrediting prophecy for those thinking for themselves, at the same time.

Prematurely applied false prophecy is the only option on how to sell the 666 to religionists, for that diminishing sector of delusion.

World Government and Premature “Fulfillment” of Prophecy
https://jwupdate.wordpress.com/2015/07/05/world-government-and-premature-fulfillment-of-prophecy/
So there is a final objective to the religious complex aiding of world government. Then, under world government, all religion can be deposed, AFTER the harlot is totally used up. (Rev17:15-18; Rev16:12,19-20).

It is not that prophecy is actually invalid, it is that religious premature applications are invalid, for the use of world government final emergence cloaking and misleading the “flock” into it.

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[QUOTE who=”imagoodboy”]
JESUS is a completely different person, a new personality who **never** had a pre-existence other than be in the mind and heart of God that was central to God’s means of Salvation!
Cheers!
[/QUOTE]

But that is neither the truth nor logical. The Word had to become flesh, because the accusation manifesting in the human sin, had to go to the firstborn Son of God, because in all this accusation, God is being accused, by accusing the one closest to him, and of his direct begotten nature.

Michael is also accused and tested, and his victory in heaven, was sealed by his victory on earth, in all forms of absolute obedience to God under ultimate temptations and testing.

Thus Michael in the heavenly realm of accusation, and in the human world in the Jesus Christ form, now the immortal Might God, upholds God’s blameless righteousness in the foremost case of proving the accusation a lie.

So there is far more to the whole story, than your little equation which bypasses the greater whole story now emerging in full, in spite of the diversions that Satan has inspired from those on the periphery of the main development of bringing in the Messianic Kingdom, after the 8th King world government completes its rivalry.

The peripheral guessers, only provide loops and dead end cul-de-sacs, while everything else matues in the fullest form of the prophecy, about to emerge with that final world government global drive to the end.

World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

THAT is the simple main point.

And that is why Michael is the King who stands up in all realms of divine power, heavenly and to complete it on earth.

(Revelation 11:15) . . .And the seventh angel blew his trumpet. And loud voices occurred in heaven, saying: “The kingdom of the world did become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he will rule as king forever and ever.”

His Christ?

(Revelation 12:10) . . .“Now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, who accuses them day and night before our God!

The sanctification began in the heavenly realm, and leads to the earthly realm of Michael’s final stand into King of kings Messianic Kingdom of the World King.

(Daniel 12:1) And during that time Michael will stand up, the great prince who is standing in behalf of the sons of your people. And there will certainly occur a time of distress such as has not been made to occur since there came to be a nation until that time. And during that time your people will escape, every one who is found written down in the book.

It is all the same Son of God personage.

ALL the errors now out there, will fully fail in the final cycle of world government completion based on the 7th King downfall as a sovereign system.

World Government and Premature “Fulfillment” of Prophecy
https://jwupdate.wordpress.com/2015/07/05/world-government-and-premature-fulfillment-of-prophecy/

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This is good stuff that people need to look at for themselves. The second I see a person blind to the 911 anomalies, and hoisting up the far-fetched, even more unbelievable “official story”, I have to dismiss them as anyone worth listening to, because it is that glaringly obvious 911 has BIG PROBLEMS with that official story that emerged within 30 minutes of that event, fully explaining it within 2 hours.
Yeah. Right.
PCR is honest about 911, no one can just buy the official story unless they are purposely blind. It is a takeover, and those kinds of autobots aid the process of wildbeast progress to world government.
World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.
THAT is the simple main point that is being diverted by all these deceptions. All we need is a final global crisis “problem” to bring wildbeast world government in, and these autobots will be first in line selling the wildbeast and its 666, as “the kingdom of God everyone!” “all hail the big global solution of world government!!”, because this is far from done, it is just getting started in recognizable manner.
(Daniel 8:25) And according to his insight he will also certainly cause deception to succeed in his hand.
911 is one of those deceptions to aid world government maturation system expansion.

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[quote=”domenic”]Many Christians spend a great deal of time learning, and talking to other Christians about scripture, and very little, if any time talking to those in the world. There is an example about the slave who did not invest the masters money for fear he would lose it. The money is the knowledge of the truth. The investment is talking to those in the world about the truth. If we do not preach the word of God, we will be like that slave who did not invest the money the Master told him to invest.

I have heard many say, “I don’t know that much.” let me tell you the truth; “What little we do know, is more than all the religions of the world together know.” If fear holds you back from talking to people about Father, and Jesus, how will you stand up in the face of death?

There is no easy way through this system of things…we are standing right in the middle of those who serve Satan. Jesus said, “If they do this to me, what do you think they will do to you?” Start preparing your heart for what is to come. If the system ends during our life time, they will harm us…many they will kill. Invest the knowledge we are commanded to invest…they can kill us, but they can’t keep us dead…our Lord Jesus is the holder of the keys.

Domenic[/quote]

Yes, the role of corporatized Christianity is to stall progress and engineer diffusion of focus and objective. It is true, the corporate house is useless now, and the WTBTS significance is they were the last place fully diverted to the wildbeast objective to now complete the subversion, by the JW diversion.

Now the house cannot get more divided, prior to attempted initial wild beast “conquest” phase. (Dan11:41)

It is not just the WTBTS now set upfor atatck,but they are miniscule in scale, yet in a 10 billion dollar range of holdings, a drop in the bucket, and therefore one of the easiest to topple first. They will want people to think it is “the end of the world” as long as they can, because that premature baited delusion (2Thess2:1-2) aids the stall of the whole Christian system progress. And that is why they corporatize the device of teaching and preaching, to divert it from within, as one whole Christian subversion operation.

It is all based on misapplication of true prophecy, but way too soon.

World Government and Premature “Fulfillment” of Prophecy
https://jwupdate.wordpress.com/2015/07/05/world-government-and-premature-fulfillment-of-prophecy/

It is the [b][i][u]ONLY[/u][/i][/b] ultimate option they have, while they are inside the house. (2Thess2:1-2)

It extends globally beyond just the scale of the WTBTS [LATEST INFILTRATION; post 1976], which develops from an initial UN marked apostasy of “those leaving the holy covenant” first (Dan11:30b), and eventually on to the “entry” (internally first; Dan11:41) and infiltration “arms that stand up” later (Dan11:31a), in tangent with the 3rd UN event (Dan11:31b), that now even WTBTS and JWs CONCEAL as UN NGO co-sponsors with Christendom.

They are all now “part of the world” of subversion, to aid thecomign initial atatck phase, discrediting phase and derailing phase going full blown with nation-state system global crisis meltdown phase. (Rev13:3; Dan11:42-43)

Thus the divided, yet racked into the globalist wildbeast objective, Christian pins, are set up for the strike attempt, to begin any day now. But it is not the end, it is the global crisis “tribulation of those days” that resolves into “sword stroke” then “healing” into 8th King world government.

Once they get Christianity down and bewildered they will want to keep it there,and thus it will require God to “snatch the log” from the “fire” (Zech3:2), to allow a final warning to emerge (Rev9; Dan8:14 “morning”) while en route to world government getting ready to full complete (Dan11:45 (Dan12:11 parallel); Rev17:12; Dan8:25), and state it globally as “world peace”. (1Thess5:1-3)

It is going to be instead, the long haul, as God allows them to go all the way to complete world government for that brief final “one hour” of said 8th King King North global reign. Then Christ arrives. And that is how letting it drag on and on, allows many more to be saved as it all becomes undeniable to some people, as this fully progresses as already outlined in prophecy WTBTS conceals as UN impostor leadership.

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[QUOTE who=”Beelzebub Hook”]“Researchers like Tversky and Kahneman have identified dozens of different kinds of bias. Some of them have leaked out to become common knowledge: *confirmation bias*, for example — the tendency to give extra weight to facts that support our predesired conclusion….
“Can we correct our biases? That depends on whom you ask. The overall picture that emerges from the cognitive science researchers of the last half century is one of a brain that struggles to cope with reality, and rarely does very well at it.
“Worse yet: Its not doing very well may be *adaptive*. That’s a term of art in biology. A trait is adaptive if an organism that possesses this trait gets a reproductive edge thereby over an organism that doesn’t.
“Researchers like S. Taylor and J. Brown (‘Illusion and Well-being, 1988) have found that a moderate degree of self-deception is normal in mentally healthy people, and is likely adaptive. Contrariwise:
“‘[I]t appears to be not the well-adjusted individual but the individual who experiences subjective distress who is more likely to process self-relevant information in a relatively unbiased and balanced fashion.’
“To put it slightly differently: Up to a point, the more depressed and maladjusted you are, the more likely it is that you are seeing things right, with minimal bias.”[/QUOTE]

You know that makes sense when you really think about it. If one is in the bliss of ignorance, why screw with a good thing for them, and go and do some potentially disturbing research? WHY DO SOMETHING PAINFUL, AND RISK REMOVING THE BLISS?

I’ll have to save a copy of that statement for later.

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[QUOTE who=”I_know_better_now “]<quoted text>
They did not partner with the wildbeast. that is absurd and a rash conclusion to come to. They had library access that is different than being a ‘member’.. They needed to become a ‘member’ to re-enroll for library access… The UN changed the rules, that is why they left the library card behind. You are trying to make it appear worse than it was. Maybe they should have never gotten library access but that was not a sin as you portray it.. Library access is totally different than membership status. Tell the truth instead of misleading people to conclude something sinister was done by JW’s. It was not that at all..
[/QUOTE]

Sorry IKBN, a UN NGO is a partnering co-sponsor of UN information for the specified groups demographic.

In JWs case the global JW information distribution is what the UN wanted, to back the 3rd UN presentation of the “New World Order” mantra. JWs aided this, for 10 years, for a secretive Bethel UN NGO agreement, meaning they did not know they were pushing UN approved information to their audience.

That is why rather than tell everyone possible the 3rd UN event is a prophecy at Daniel 11:30-31 and Daniel 8:23, they started plugging the “New World Order” mantra in JW publications over 70 times in WT and Awake!, between 1991 and 2001, searchable in quotes on the CD.

Thus the UN NGO is a serious matter of UN endorsement, as obviously the only library visits they made was to quote UN publications and plug globalist books, for free, in the magazine with the greatest global distribution of them all: it is called free UN advertising.

Also, for supposed Messianic Kingdom AMBASSADORS, claiming to be “non-governmental” UN organization, is a blasphemy denying the Messianic Kingdom. Now Bethel states they are “non governmental”, not even Messianic Kingdom government associated, instead the covenanted as UN NGO with the wildbeast.

It is what it is, review prophecy now, or later. Many JWs will instead have to learn the hard way (1Pet4:17), as usual of all of God’s dealings with his people. JWs think they are in the catbird seat, so they will be humbled and put into sackcloth by these events. The GB is why JWs are arrogant. Just like? The illegal self lifted up GB rulers. (2Thess2:1-4)

This apostasy, is marked by when they left the holy Kingdom covenant, for the UN NGO covenant, at this same time:

(Daniel 11:30-31) “And he

(8th King/King North)

will actually go back and hurl denunciations against the holy covenant and act effectively

(produces a successful operation Dan8:12b);

and he

(8th King/KN)

will have to go back and will give consideration to those leaving the holy covenant.

(anointed core defection at Bethel aids internal 8th King access)

31 (Bethel subversion:)

And there will be arms that will stand up

(at Bethel; Dan11:41; Luke21:20),

proceeding from him (8th King planners);

and they (collusion)

will actually profane the sanctuary, the fortress, and remove the constant [feature]. (3rd UN placement 1990:) “And they (team effort) will certainly put in place the disgusting thing that is causing desolation.

(3rd UN placement, 1990; UN NGO, 1991, at Bethel; Matt24:15; Dan8:13 “transgression causing desolation”);

And that forms this modern communal JW apostasy:

(Daniel 11:32) “And those who are acting wickedly against [the] covenant

(at Bethel),

he

(8th King/King North)

will lead into apostasy by means of smooth words.

(The Bethel “smooth words” 8th King cover-up in the JW publications is part of the smoothly justified apostasy);

THAT is why UN NGO Bethel keeps the IMPOSSIBLE KN=USSR error, to hoodwink and bypass JWs past that 1990 3rd UN prophecy.

The only way for the truth to come out, is to remove the Bethel and GB obstacles, by the hand of God. (Dan11:41; Dan8:13-14)

It is coming after the “trampling” period of UN NGO accounting has completed in Daniel 8:13.

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[QUOTE who=”Lordylordy9111″]<quoted text>
Well I thought it was Gerrit Losch who was the baby frankenstein insider at Bethel. They must have two. The poisoned food from the “evil slave” is a perfectly orchestrated theatrical show at Bethel and it won’t be until it begans full execution of judgment on Bethel apostasy that JWs will be aware they have been robbed of the TRUTH. Satan wants to deny the world a relationship with God and the Great Shepherd by covering over the TRUTH. His witnesses will proclaim the message of God and the will be forebearers of God redeeming His Holy name from cover-up of satan by advertising himself. Satan advertises and advertises his self and he illuminates his word to the whole world so he drowns out God. But God is the kingmaker and the authority giver and He is the kingbreaker and the authority taker. He redeems His scattered sheepfold and redeems those in Hades. Then where is the sting of Hades? Where will be Hades hopelessness? God is the Great Redeemer. He will redeem all things and all His sheepfold. God is my Shepherd!!![/QUOTE]

I think Losch is the ringleader, but I think since Fred Franz death they “filtered” out all anointed, and now it is all globalist intel, along with these “shadowy figures” in the “GB helpers”:

Keep Holding Men of That Sort Dear

The “sort” is globalist intel ops.

They are making the “helpers” known for some reason of future use.

Expect quite a GB focused event in the future imo, as they try to amp up their credibility as the org is being sacked, in some sort of unique global context possibly forming at the same time.

So the whole Gb and the shadow boards are all globalist intel controlled for the big multi-billion dollar score and JW capture campaign, all under cover of “prophecy is fulfilling brothers!” (2Thess2:1-2)

They hijack valid prophecy, to apply it too soon, to cloak the decoys and their Bethel coup operation and sacking event coming.

They heavily PRE-PROGRAM JWs with the required prophecy for the delusion, that in time, will trun into a GLOBAL JW HOAX PERIOD, because only the end of Bethel will come at that time, not the world system, heading to world government over the 7th King downfall period.

World Government and Premature “Fulfillment” of Prophecy
https://jwupdate.wordpress.com/2015/07/05/world-government-and-premature-fulfillment-of-prophecy/

By use of the USR=KN error, they also have JWs to “expect Daniel 11:44 next everyone!”, WAY TOO SOON, and too far advanced into Daniel 11:

Russia Framed as King North—The Purpose
https://jwupdate.wordpress.com/2015/07/18/russia-framed-as-king-north-the-true-purpose/

In reality Daniel 11:41 will go full blown on Bethel, as Daniel 8:13-14 parallel. Daniel 11:42-43 7th King/KS financial capture by KN will be the context.

Very conveniently, the KN error as USSR allows Daniel 11:41-43 to be bypassed AS IF the USSR fulfilled all that, which is IMPOSSIBLE. No way did God waste half of Daniel 11 King North propehcy, devoted to a failed USSR attempt.

They are with all the national and national bloc failures here:

(Daniel 11:27) But nothing will succeed, because [the] end is yet for the time appointed.

The real King North is of course 3rd to 4th step world government development, SUCCESSFUL all the way to the end:

(Daniel 11:36) And he will certainly prove successful until [the] denunciation will have come to a finish; because the thing decided upon must be done.

So maintaining the USSR error, allows keeping JWs TOO FAR into Daniel 11.

It also leaves “King North” open to the final Russia and Russia-China bloc further misleading, if things heat up in that direction of national conflict in the future.

In any event, JWs will be in a DEEP HOAX, in time, it is all well set up.

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[QUOTE who=”Lordylordy9111″]It is very healing to see the truth come out. Talking about these thing and bringing it out into the open to show just how serious the sexual abuse is at Bethel is very healing. It will bring confort to thousands maybe millions. Some of the cases are so bad they will never be able to talk about it.[/QUOTE]

Yes, and the elite affinity for pedohilia makes it a REQUIREMENT for Bethel occult family to also promote the same lawlessness in literal sexual manner.

So when the spiritual UN NGO “sexual” sin came forth, so did the first big pedophilia “pedophile paradise” news report come forth, on like Dateline or something. The Pedophile Paradise was offset six months, due to 911, but it was ALL coming out at the same time, literal and spiritual Bethel sexual crimes, as one whole scandal feed to emerge with the 911 context as the “perfect time” to also feed out the Bethel news, of their coming “controlled demolition”.

It is no accident the Bethel elites work in perfect tangent with the global King North elites, hand in hand, all “very conveniently”.

1. In 1990 they worked together to conceal the 3rd UN event meaning as propehcy, as Bethel went UN NGO. (Dan11:30-32a; Dan8:11-12)

2. In 2001 they worked together as Bethel previously created the UN NGO/Pedophile scandals (as policy), for the King North elite press and media to make global news in 2001/2002 onward.

3. In the future, they will work together again, to crash Bethel (Dan11:41), as the 8th King elites begin the 7th King downfall phase. (Dan11:42-43; Dan8:13-14; Rev13)

Since 1990, it has all been working hand in hand, 1-2-3, as one they work together.

They BOTH display synchronized development: there is notable elite global developments towards world government paralleling notable Bethel co-development, and Bethel is their “right hand” aid “in the temple”. (Zech3:1-3)

THAT CANNOT be sheer coincidence; Bethel is now totally “in on it” from inside (Dan11:32a), WITH the King North/8th King globalist elites.

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[QUOTE who=”Beelzebub Hook”]<quoted text>
Another religion is also always focusing on fanning peoples fears, its mass media. Whether its shark attacks, child kidnappers or rape epidemics the same fear buttons constantly yield great results for mass media.
Being truly unbiased is often very difficult to achieve in practice. North Korean day to day life is an excellent example mass bias or hypocrisy that is easy to see, in this situation this adaptation can be a survival trait. Religion can be defined as a form of applied hypocrisy. [/QUOTE]

People forget to actually check the stats.

For example many assume the USA is “the land of the free”.

But when we check the stats:

“With only 5% of the world’s population, the U.S. has 25% of the world’s prison population”

https://www.aclu.org/prison-crisis

“Both in raw numbers and by percentage of the population, the United States has the most prisoners of any developed country in the world”

The United States Has The Largest Prison Population In The World — And It’s Growing

In REALITY the USA is the “land of the prisoners”.

But the handy myth, actually a lie, is what prevails.

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understanding from a ministry that [used to be] ahead of its time. In fact so ahead of its time in 1914-1950, that JWs even forgot how advanced we were BEFORE ANYONE ELSE.

That is the truth of the Rutherford era:

(The New World; 1942, pg. 10)

pg. 126

“”The “new world order” proposed by scheming men is the “abomination of desolation” which aims to stand in the holy place of God’s kingdom. Both the prophet Daniel and Christ Jesus foretold it as marking the approach of the FINAL END and therefore the time to make all haste and flee to The Theocratic Government under Christ Jesus.(Daniel 11: 31; 12:11; Matthew 24:15-21) “”

“”That attempted “new world order” which is pushed forward in opposition to and as a substitute for God’s new world under “The King of kings and Lord of lords” is the final expression of the antichrist. Do not look for the antichrist to be an individual man or beast. It is that “new order” organization. The antichrist is here, and its appearance marks the “last time” for this world.”” (The New World; 1942, pg. 126)

He said that so long ago, JWs forgot. LOL It was like we were TOO AHEAD of our time!

Of course having an infiltrated JW org is not helping matters.

But now we have secular research evidence the US/EU financial downfall is DESIGNED to fall to aid 8th King world government “rise”. We have secular generic evidence, en masse, that basically helps us know this crash cycle will “heal” into 8th King world government.

Not by Bethel insight, for they want to sell that crash as “the end”, to topple the JW ministry AS IF “prophecy is fulfilling brothers!”. But by secular globalization purpose and its trend, we know it cannot yet be “the end”, just the end of the 7th King national based reign.

Well no wonder Bethel is not going to use “Awake!” to actually wake JWs up to these secular research insights. If they did, shoot, many JWs would start to draw the same conclusion, and also KNOW it is NOT “the end” for some time.(Luke21:9)

Then Bethel would also lose its “smokescreen” and “JW hoax” whole basis, based on NOT seeing this global evidence of assured US/EU financial meltdown.(Dan11:42-43)
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[QUOTE who=”Lordylordy9111″]<quoted text>
It is not a coincidence. Notice how this cult is slowing down when its policies got strict on child abuse. With the child abuse cases dropping off from 2001 so has the growth of Bethel. With some NWO cults it runs by child abuse. Its no coincident. It has to do with the satanic GB. They are involved with the NWO 33. [/QUOTE]

I think in reality JWs are below 7 million and in a negative growth contraction merely being hidden in the 1-3% growth Bethel stat lie.

And that is why they are now starting to liquidate down to the real numbers, to shift assets to the KN33 group, and to make sure the liability anchor is tied to local congregations and elder bodies, saving the org coup for exactly when the globalist 33 is ready for full implosion as Daniel 11:41 overt, and Daniel 8:13 “trampling” allowed by God, required by him by decree spoken by both Gabriel and Michael, for God, to Daniel.

What is unique about Bethel, is their true criminal liability is IN WRITING, as Bethel policy. So when the national legal tsunami comes, it is all sitting ducks, so these latest stories as Cedar’s JWsurvey, is to also show WTBTS has a sub-legal system, actually a super-legal system that REQUIRES elders to BYPASS Ceasar’s legal arrangement.

So that too will set up Bethel as in illegal private legal system, that will have to submit to the law of the land, who will change the policies, in which Bethel will resist,imo, and call real prosecution for real crimes, as “persecution brothers!”, to aid their own downfall from within (Dan11:41), as hard wired in their own “smooth word” policy. (Dan11:32a)

They will make it appear like it is all random, and “the end brothers!!!!!”, but it is all inside-to-outside internally aided total setup of the WTBTS [[from within]], as guided by the 33-GB (Dan8:12; Dan11:32a), to make sure Bethel is toppled legally, for real crimes, and then they just sell it to JWs as “PERSECUTION BROTHERS!”.

But it will really be JUSTICE a long time coming, legal prosecution and removal of that competitive Government of Jehovah’s Witnesses which bypasses national and local laws, for their own criminal protection and concealment RACKET.

For now they are gettign out a few billion in assets to make sure the nest egg of liquid assets is not tied up with the nailed down WTBTS assets, like branches and KH’s.

Then they just leave the hard asset infrastructure for the national legal eagles to vulturize as Bethel goes into the global-national grinder, for very very real crimes, obvious to many. The RICO Racket laws may also come into play. But the fact is Bethel is in true sedition, not to “obey God as ruler”, but to protect pedophiles, and to conceal their own globalist big dollar, JW slave labor driven, RACKET.

When Rutherford said “religion is a racket”, he did not say “false religion”, he meant ALL religion is a racket, and in time Bethel had to corrupt into that kind of racket, he was talking about. In time, Bethel added the “true religion”, “false religion” diversion. Bethel is the relic of idol worship, in that “rel-igion”, system of “relic management” for idol worshipers.

In the Bible it is called a FAITH, [[never]] a “religion”.

(Revelation 14:12) . . .Here is where it means endurance for the holy ones, those who observe the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.”

And so by backsliding on many “little things” the whole Bethel 33 ship is lost, “gradually given over” to total “33” subversion. (Dan8:12)

They even removed “Jehovah” and “Witnesses” by that “JWorg” idolatry with hidden meaning for the real owners of the “JW”=”33” show.

It is all a bunch of UN NGO globalist occultist corporate racketeering EXPERTS now running and ruining the JW ministry.

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The real problem is post 1976 Governing Body override. In 1990 we know what they are covering up:

Four 8th King UN Cycles to World Government – 1919-Future

UN 1. 1919 – Rev13:11-15 (Dan12:11 first fulfillment) as League of Nations after WW1;

A. International Bible Students Association (IBSA) explained as prophecy;

UN 2. 1945 – Rev17:8-11 as United Nations after WW2;

A. Jehovah’s Witnesses (JW) explained as prophecy;

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Unknown and unstated by UN NGO allied UN-Bethel and Jehovah’s witnesses:
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UN 3. 1990 – Daniel 11:31b as United Nations “New World Order” Initiative after WW3 (Cold War) (Dan11:29);

A. Covered up by Bethel as UN NGO, not explained as prophecy by any religious group;

[We are Here…]

UN 4. Future – Daniel 11:45; Daniel 8:25; (Daniel 12:11 last fulfillment) as United Nations and World Government after 4th world tribulation/war cycle to come.

A. Not currently explained by Bethel in lieu of a premature “end of the world” deception. (2Thess2:1-2)

B. To be explained after the JW temple judgment desolation, purification and removal of lawless Bethel engineered subversion (2Thess2:1-4; Dan11:30-31; Dan8:11-13);

World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

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So it is not that the whole JW ministry is bUNk, it is post 1976 GB experiment gone bad. The real apostates are at Bethel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_M3n3g844M4#t=17

Your welcome, thanks for your information.

For future timed verification upon great temple events, please pay VERY CLOSE attention to Daniel 8:13-14 temple judgment decree, timing, and phasing.

The “right condition” is required at this time, at this time the anointed Christian ministry is NOT in the “right condition” (Zech3:1-3) and it is UN allied as well, NOT GOOD. (Dan11:30-35)

Do not be fooled to think that UN NGO is innocent, and just “for a UN library card”. Rather, it is the “transgression causing desolation” of Daniel 8:13 temple decree from God, as the UN sin MUST receive a divine accounting, hence Daniel 8:13-14.

Now true, many JWs and others may doubt this at this time, and that is why Daniel 8:13-14 is TIMED and PHASED, from “the evening” (darkness) to “the morning” (light) TEMPLE JUDGMENT phases; in Daniel 8:14 minimum 3.19 years, “the evening” phase of accounting for the UN sins, will be accomplished. (Dan8:26; Hos6:1-3; Isa37:30-32)

But there is a “the morning” phase which is true:

(Daniel 8:26) “And the thing seen concerning the evening and the morning, which has been said, it is true.

And this is going to be SO ENORMOUS, that is why Daniel was made mentally wiped out:

(Daniel 8:27) And as for me, Daniel, I felt exhausted and was made sick for [some] days. Then I got up and did the work of the king; but I kept showing myself numbed on account of the thing seen, and there was nobody understanding [it].

Begin timing Daniel 8:13-14, from the first major “trampling” events upon the JW visible organization, which will also include the cancellation of the JW ministry as Bethel is now priming JWs to expect “soon, very soon”. (WT 7/15/15) The constant feature cancellation may be the event to mark, so just be aware to pay close attention to the Bethel coup of Daniel 11:41, going full blown, to be sold to JWs as “the end” (2Thess2:1-2).

But they will not tell JWs it is Daniel 11:41 (as Dan8:13-14), NOT Daniel 11:44 which they will use to delude JWs with this premature end delusion, the one at 2Thess2:1-2.

But it will NOT be the end but of the Bethel apostasy, the world will continue though 7th King downfall, to “healing”, to 8th King world government. (Rev13 and Rev17:8-18 will have their full final fulfillment total global cycles into Christ arrival, triggered by 8th King world government affront of his Kingdom, in full and final form)

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In time (Dan8:14), there will be a “right condition” recovery to accurate truth. (Zech3:4-9)

1. The anointing is NOT complete as Bethel implies. In fact, there will be a depletion of “five foolish virgins” worth as Matthew 25:1-13 parallels the temple judgment meaning. That “morning” is the same light symbol as the REQUIRED “reserve oil” final enlightenment.

So, more anointed will be required to complete the number for Christ Messianic Kingdom completion, which is also required. Apostate Bethel, as foretold, is now “set in opposition” to the anointing open process, and they are trying to corrupt anointed Christians as well. (2Thess2:3-4 “apostasy” is Dan11:32a “apostasy” parallel for now)

Daniel 8:13-14 (Rev8:3-5 parallel) will prove itself in time, so that is why we need to pay attention to that FIRST EVENT (1Pet4:17), the final temple judgment cycle, and its timing and its phasing. This WILL be enormous events, make no mistake, on the JW org, concealed by a JW HOAX provided by that Bethel override delusion complex.

This is all repeating for your generation of anointed ingathering, and that is the finale of the matter (Rev8-11:1-12, lads to Rev7:1-4, and Rev14:1), and a final warning will emerge from this apostasy, in time, the timing of Daniel 8:14:

(Revelation 10:11) And they say to me: “You must prophesy AGAIN with regard to peoples and nations and tongues and many kings.”

All Revelation 8-11 REPEATS in final form in the future.

PAY ATTENTION TO DANIEL 8:13-14, AND PRAY ON THIS MATTER. You are hearing about it for a reason, because JWs will need help in time. And God will provide that help. (Zech3:2; Dan11:32b) We will be in the final cycle.

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Well observe others who have also fled (Matt24:15) for various reasons. One cannot throw out the baby with the bathwater, but must remained focused on Jehovah and Jesus Christ, the very two the JW org is DISTRACTING ATTENTION away from, for full worshipful attention on the GB that has done NOTHING in the classic Jehovah’s witnesses ministry. Instead they joined the wild beast as UN NGO.

Now Matthew 24:15 is not passing suggestion by Christ, it is a COMMAND, and few JWs are beign told the UN NGO is our modern Daniel connected prophecy of 1990 3rd UN event that Bethel sponsored as UN NGO for 10 years, and continues to sponsor in cover up.

(Matthew 24:15-16) “Therefore, when you catch sight of the

(UN NGO; Dan11:31)

disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken of through Daniel the prophet

(modern Dan11:31 “disgusting thing that causes desolation” as parallel of Dan8:13 “transgression causing desolation”),

standing in a holy place

(in the anointed Christian “constant feature” ministry as UN NGO),

(let the reader use discernment,)

16 then let those in Judea begin fleeing to the mountains.

(Because the JW Bethel desolation judgment for that UN NGO “transgression causing desolation” is near; 1Pet4:17; Dan8:13-14; Rev8:3-5);

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The point is men detracting and reproaching God at Bethel (2Pet2:1-3; 2Thess2:1-4; Zech3:1-3), will not get away scot free.

Especially when they also have profaned a once valid anointed Christian ministry with that UN NGO “transgression causing desolation”, causing desolation soon, to the JW organization in UN NGO [required] accounting. (Dan8:13-14 as Dan11:41)

THAT is why those “catching sight” of the true severity of the UN NGO must flee the dangerous JW org, and STAY OUT, a final temple judgment of God comes on Bethel and anointed Christians first as per 1 Peter 4:17.

You all are now in the right place, fled, and now keep studying final cycle prophecy, which Bethel also covers up and dumbs down JWs to ignore as policy. (WT 3/15/15) Bethel has been IGNORING key UN propehcy, fully, since 1990 3rd UN “new world order” event that they ended up partnering with instead. (Dan11:30b)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EP6KW1aeapc

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*** w09 3/1 p. 13 Five Reasons to Fear God and Not Man ***

“”Despite such fears, however, millions have resolved to trust in God and to live according to God’s Word, in imitation of Jesus Christ. Jehovah has blessed them for doing so.””

Then they say this:

*** w09 2/15 p. 24 par. 3 They “Keep Following the Lamb” ***

“”There are many reasons why the slave class deserves our trust. “”

“”Should not individual members of the anointed and the “other sheep” trust the slave appointed over them?””

*** w09 2/15 p. 25 par. 6 They “Keep Following the Lamb” ***

To appreciate the extent of Jehovah’s trust in the faithful slave…

What a LIE.

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See the problem here? Do we really think God trusts the Governing Body?

Hell NO.

God judges anointed Christians (Zech3:1-5; Matt24:45-51) to make the determination of who trusts him, and who trust men who have adjoined with the UN wild beast.

*** w09 2/15 p. 27 par. 11 They “Keep Following the Lamb” ***

“”Since Jehovah God and Jesus Christ completely trust the faithful and discreet slave, should we not do the same?””

And that is how the Bethel UN liars (Rev2:2), continue to encourage JWs to share in their sins, like that UN NGO. Trust us as God trusts us!

By lies.

NEVER does the Bible attribute the word or action [[trust]] to man, not once, but ONLY to God and Christ. PERIOD.

Now we know why.

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[QUOTE who=”Lordylordy9111″]<quoted text>
GB33 and elders33 I sure may be making deals with each other to save $$$$ by transferring funds into private accounts. They have no problem hiding pedophiles so they got good practice in for hiding things. [/QUOTE]

Yes, then you have the realm of “out of court settlements”. Thus there are real sexual crimes, but there can also be internal scams to be settled out of court. And since it is all a big secret, they easily could have settled many million dollar agreements “out of court” as WT internal 33 lawyers run the rackets for the KN boys, from inside Bethel’s big nest egg.

They have been funneling hundreds of millions of dollars OUT of the JW org for decades, imo. When you have total control over everything, what KN 33 thief is not going to do this?

(Ezekiel 7:22) 22 “‘And I shall have to turn away my face from them, and they will actually profane my concealed place, and into it robbers will really come and profane it.

The “cave of robbers” runs “33rd degree” puppeteered Bethel.

Conservatively it can be estimated a couple billion have gone out in just the last 5 years. 900 million in NY real estate luxury property and other real estate sales alone. Now what about other forms of investment? What about international accelerated liquidations?

They are going to cash in on JWs big time, because they spend now, what everyone else finds out about later. In essence, it is already gone, wired into KN banking and investment channels, with not one peep of disclosure to JWs.

 

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[QUOTE who=”imagoodboy”]<quoted text>

Well, let me ask you this, since Christendom (which I believe the WTS is a part, regardless of their refusal to accept that), is long gone! And Bethel is long gone according to You, And the political part is long gone! And I agree the Organizational function of Christendom and the political functions are letting the people down. However, I do see many good people in all these organizations, genuine people trying to do God;s will.
Are these people like the wheat that grow among the weeds until the harvest? Matt 13
Now not too many pages! OK?
Cheers! [/QUOTE]

This FINAL salvation appeal in perfect form, post Christ arrival:

(Revelation 14:6-7) . . .And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, and he had everlasting good news to declare as glad tidings to those who dwell on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people, 7 saying in a loud voice: “Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of the judgment by him has arrived, and so worship the One who made the heaven and the earth and sea and fountains of waters.”

Leads to this announcement:

(Revelation 14:8) . . .And another, a second angel, followed, saying: “She has fallen! Babylon the Great has fallen, she who made all the nations drink of the wine of the anger of her fornication!”

Thus while all religion is going down, many can be saved. There are still “my people” in BTG as we speak:

(Revelation 18:4) And I heard another voice out of heaven say: “Get out of her, my people, if you do not want to share with her in her sins, and if you do not want to receive part of her plagues.

The final cycle is a GLOBAL full assessment of all people by Christ totality of ability to do just that.

The truth is:

1. JWs are not in a “right condition” at this time. (Dan8:14) That being the case, the final world judgment is not possible at this time.

2. ANYONE can be saved from here to Christ arrival, and even after as Christ MUST complete his whole ministry, and he will apply his purchase to all savable, as he already bought it all for such a final assessment.

BIG SALVATION NEWS is what comes with and after the apostate Bethel temple judgment visible cue of the final cycle starting. (Dan11:41; Dan8:13-14; Rev8:3-5)

The whole “seven trumpets” is a sequential final cycle that 6th trumpet is Christ arrival at its end (Rev11:11-12), and Revelation 14 is what is active BEFORE the 7th trumpet total global conquest of a full 8th King world government by Christ.

Apostate Bethel is CONCEALING and SUBVERTING this final cycle Revealtion 8-11, and Rev16 requirement of the final fulfillemnt cycle, which the JW ministry has well previewed for around 100 years, all the way to this new UN allied apostasy at Bethel.

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World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

Christ FIRST MISSION is sheep securement. (Rev14:14-16, Matt25:31-40 parallel)

THEN the end will come. (Rev14:17-20; Matt25:41-46; Rev19:19-21)

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[QUOTE who=”tim”]Life can be a struggle at times for everyone. But why hand it over to the Watchtower
for a promise of a possible paradise. Given all their other failed promises?. It make no sense.
What are the JW offering people. Believe what we tell you without question, do as we tell you without question, restrict you’re life friends, where you go, what you do. adhere to rules we have made up for you.And we have this story of a paradise to come.
Its like asking someone to accept Work for us now and we’ll pay you in heaven, and you’ll definitely get a place because you’re working for us.Even the most gullible person must think how do these people know all the stuff they teach? The new light baloney for when things go pear shaped.
History is littered with people who believed they were in contact with Jesus or god. and were either delusional or out to make a buck, And the Watchtower make big bucks, All set up to carry out Gods work. Do you believe it ….. REALLY [/QUOTE]

Well Bethell has OVERRIDDEN things that will come tru from the Bible.

Just because Bethell has morphed into “the lie” (2Thess2:11-12), does not mean God, Christ and their arrival is also a lie.

So one just needs to separate Christian responsibility to God and Christ, from the “bait and switch” that Bethell uses so JWs serve them.

Keep The Baby, Throw Out Bethel Bathwater
https://jwupdate.wordpress.com/2015/07/07/keep-the-baby-throw-out-gbbethel-bathwater/

Just because one has determined Bethell’s “apostles” to be LIARS:

(Revelation 2:2) . . .I know your deeds, and your labor and endurance, and that you cannot bear bad men, and that you put those to the test who say they are apostles, but they are not, and you found them liars.

Does not absolve a Christian from continuing to worship God through Jesus Christ, and avoid what Bethel has become as a wildbeast partnered lie.

God, Christ and propehcy are still the truth. In fact Bethel’s UN apostasy is right in the same prophecies they now conceal.

Modern Bethel Man of Lawlessness Exposed Strengthens Faith
https://templelijah.wordpress.com/2013/01/21/modern-man-of-lawlessness-exposed-strengthens-faith/

Connecting Bethel Lawlessness to Final Prophecy
http://templelijah.wordpress.com/more-man-of-lawlessness/connecting-bethel-lawlessness-to-final-prophecy/

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