November 2015


On November 02, 15, Lordylordy9111 wrote:
> On November 02, 15, BetheljudgmentDan8-14soon wrote:
>> Thanks
>>> Donna
>> You’re welcome. How is your manifesto section coming?
>> Agape
> It has been interesting to say the least. I have research several hundred
> online articles and had to read twenty books. I still feel I need more research
> but I feel I have most the material needed to begin writing.
> It will be an extension to my last manifesto but much more information on the
> history of the UN. I am covering a lot of issues that Myon Fagan covered. I add
> the view point that all of this was efforts of the illuminati which was used as
> blasphamy against Jesus. It goes back 6000 years.
> I will start writing in a couple pf weeks. I don’t think it will take me five
> months to write it. My last manifesto took ten months because I did the
> research as I went. This time I knew exactly what I wanted to write so I did
> the reseach first.

Yes, sounds good, I guess it is quite absorbing, I know that feeling, quite “eye opening”. Look forward to reading it.

> The Oct. 1, 1995 Watchtower shows the gb still do not understand the UN and
> said it was the greatest humanitarian aid to mankind that government can offer.
> It was created by the illuminati ti destroy all contries that did not accept
> the NWO. I don’t know how they missed that.
> Donna
> Agape

Well by that time the 1976 GB Infiltration center was going into peak form, as Fred Franz died, so now it has to all be globalist intel imo.

But as wee see the UN is more than just an international political club. I think that took time to dawn on some people, but Myron Fagan and others were helping take that route.

I actually think God allowed Fred Franz to see the one dimension, so as to keep it all “low key” so the MOL could just continue unabated, because what they are actively covering up, will form a good outline that will “tie it all together” in a way to be far more shocking, to wake people up, when God rolls out his own red carpet, for a final warning they will not be able to prevent. Unless they can get past God’s angels. LOL But they will not get past the Temple Cleaning Crew when they come out to “gitterdone” IN the temple first.

Some heads are going to roll (Isa66:6); but we can bet the KN boys are not going to be reporting the “technical difficulties” that will start to manifest when the temple clean out goes to earnest global proportions as God’s intent is just to guarantee the warning comes out, not to end them until they are fully ready.

Of course the JW critics will be as shocked as JWs when this starts to emerge. It is quite the ominous message for those not square with God and Christ. But some JWs and others can be “squared up” when the reality emerges.


I think the external exposure of Bethel, has to go to the internal camp, because a confession is far more penetrating than the 10,000 external missiles already hitting Bethel. But they are not tying it to what it really is: Temple judgment prophecy starting the FINAL CYCLE.

But that is my opinion. I feel some expose Bethel to excuse themselves from reality. But that is not what God’s purpose will be when He starts to expose them by divine backing, just as thorough as was the cover up He allowed to get this severe, for a good reason.

To sum it up like a grand slam knock out punch, fast tracked, because as this progresses past the temple judgment, truly time will become very limited. So I feel God is going to fast track it, because there is no time to do another 100 year ministry. This is going to be a wham bam to the point, however God does it, He will warn the rival 8th Kingdom of what is sure to come.

It cannot be reversed, God, Christ and the whole prophecy is TRUE.

(Revelation 1:1) A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place.

(Revelation 1:7-8) Look! He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, and those who pierced him; and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief because of him. Yes, Amen. 8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says Jehovah God, “the One who is and who was and who is coming, the Almighty.”

Of course making it known is going to be quite ominous for those not square with this reality, so some can plan accordingly.

But you have one of the most solid grips on this reality I have seen, so God is with you, and so is Christ, just endure and exercise faith regularly, this really is the “Grand Climax” of it all. (Rev10:5-11 summary)

That “1914 delusion” is really misleading many many people. But not you, so keep the faith, exposing that League and UN was indeed the key to the “first witness” validity of what they are planning the UN to be the “Nucleus” of when it goes beyond the mere picture “image” form in time.

And continuing that exposure to emerge in time, is the key to the “second witness”; It really is the same story, just wrapping up.



James Thomas Rook Jr.

It seems it is their job to stumble:

(Daniel 11:32-35) . . .“And those who are acting wickedly against [the] covenant, he will lead into apostasy by means of smooth words. But as regards the people who are knowing their God, they will prevail and act effectively. 33 And as regards those having insight among the people, they will impart understanding to the many. And they will certainly be made to stumble by sword and by flame, by captivity and by plundering, for [some] days. 34 But when they are made to stumble they will be helped with a little help; and many will certainly join themselves to them by means of smoothness. 35 And some of those having insight will be made to stumble, in order to do a refining work because of them and to do a cleansing and to do a whitening, until the time of [the] end; because it is yet for the time appointed.

Daniel 8:13-14 is the “time appointed” to end the Bethel GB Reign of Error. JWs are who have been “led into apostasy” by King North world governemnt planners, utilizing the 1944 governing body, 1971 “Governing Body”, 1976 Bethel Dictatorship, 1991 UN NGO to modern JW apostasy led by the GB, the real King North “little helper”.

It is merely the Temple Judgment of Jehovah’s Witnesses that BEGINS (1Pet4:17; Rev8) the final cycle to world government, which UN tracking in prophecy (Dan11:31b, Dan8:23) JWs lost in 1990 at that 3rd United Nations prophecy and event.

Instead, Bethel became a UN Secretariat>>UN DPI>>UN Outreach Division>>UN NGO UN partner.

The UN NGO is the 8th King global “grass roots” expansion system now far larger than any other organizational network on earth. Bethel did not tell people the UN purpose of the UN NGO system, instead they joined it, hence “leaving the holy covenant” in Daniel 11:30b, as it led to Daniel 11:31b, which is that post Cold War (Dan11:29) 3rd UN global presentation event of 1990.

THAT is how Bethel “rides the scarlet wildbeast”.

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why should i interpret prophecy for you? there is a lot more involved than the book of daniel and revelation to go by… theres stuff in the first five books of the bible, theres stuff in isaiah, ezekiel, jeremiah, more things the apostles and jesus said… theres a lot to do with babylon… what about nimrod and what he was doing, the men at babel, what about nebuchadnezzar and his position, compared to the king of the north in his position? all you ever show is.. the same stuff over and over, and its mostly all guess work… yea the prophecies say certain things are going to happen, im not arguing that point… your missing a whole bunch of stuff because your not focusing on the prophecies themselves… im not going to discuss the debt and markets and politics with you… your not looking at the whole picture, because your not focusing on all the prophecy… you have some of the concepts right, sure.. all im saying is spend a bit more time reading through the bible than reading the news… there is a lot to it… details about all of it… particularly babylon, that has a large amount of input to viewing the prophecies fulfillment..[/QUOTE]


Daniel and Revelation provide the historic structural prophecy framework into which all prophecy “registers”. Seven trumpets and the 2300, 1260, and 1290 day timed periods overlay, and provide all the details of the meanings of the seven trumpets and plagues and those three open salvation milestone sequentially timed periods.

I do focus on all prophecy as Isaiah, Hosea, Amos and Micah all detail the current Bethel apostasy judgment that manifests before the final global judgment, as its global-signal start point. (1Pet4:17)

The coming Bethel downfall is timed (Dan8:13-14), positioned (Dan11:41; Rev8), and described in UN NGO alliance apostasy detail. (Dan11:30-32a)

It will be an enormous event that will highlight Bethel’s failure by premature “the end” delusion, when in fact 8th King King North world government is what is coming instead. Apostate Bethel was just the foretold modern diversion.

How and Why the Bethel “The End” Delusion Works

Christ’s temple arrival pattern is the master pattern of the whole judgment. Everything else in prophecy registers into these final milestones:


On November 16, 15, Lordylordy9111 wrote:
> Hi Bethel,
> A lot is going on in the world with ISIS. Seems the US doesn’t really want to
> remove ISIS as much as France and Russia does.
> Have you changed your topix name?
> Agape
> Donna

No, I have been into a “Babylon the Great Goes Down Under World Government” proof research phase, and it has just kept going on.

I am noticing from “Penny’s Disassociation Letter” that 607 is still valid, the only thing wrong was the assumption of how quickly Jerusalem was overcome, and that the exile and desolation do not necessarily have to be concurrent as a requirement, for reasons to be covered here.

When in reality, if we examine secular dating, Nebuchadnezzar was “crown prince” in 607 BCE, or was King of Babylon in 607 BCE, and in possible reality his dynasty expired in 70 years to the day. Jehoiakim and the first “Davidic Kings” subjugation is also 607, and the first wave of four waves of exiles (the 607 one implied” also possibly began in 607.)

And thus 607 BCE is still good, couldn’t be better in fact, times 3; three good reasons 607 is marked, and how, and why a .01-.03% supposed “secular error” is normal when men try to affirm exact dating from over 2500 years ago, which timing the Creator of the Universe has timed like an atomic clock, to they very billionth of a second, in his jurisdiction of exact timings and meanings He opens when He purposes.

Thus the temple destruction in what seems to be around 587 BCE or so, with the city of Jerusalem, is 70 years to temple completion in 515-516 BCE, as Zerubbabel “crowned” High Priest Joshua as symbolic King-Priest in Zechariah 6:9-15, when the Temple completed as recorded in Nehemiah and Ezra, as prophesied by Haggai and Zechariah in their “Temple Revelations” .

And thus “four” “seven times” can apply, but three to “607” BCE directly, as (1) disrupting Jehovah’s David Kings natural flow, in the events after King Jehoahaz deposition by Necho II, and placing Jehoiakim by Egyptian influence, who very quickly came under Babylonian Nebuchadnezzar’s also 70 year marked domination (2), to activate the Jewish “exile” context (3), all also in the 607 BCE neighborhood, and thus the Davidic line was also being “trampled” in that Gentile rulers were actively interfering with the Davidic natural flow, since Josiah died. But King Nebuchadnezzar, as with Daniel 4’s benchmark, is the supporting 607 BCE figure, and that dynasty expired within 70 years, in 539 BCE, as also foretold as implied as well, in Daniel 4. Secular dating may waffle a year or two, but 537 BCE is solid with God to know great events, more than one, mark 607 BCE.

And if that is the case, and it seems it is, now all prophecy chronology, all Jewish history chronology, all Babylonian and Assyrian and 100 other chronologies as well as all secular history datings all “jives” like a Cosmic Clock in ACTUALLY PERFECT HARMONY, as 607 is even more important than it was previously thought to be. AND the TEMPLE is tied in as well, thus “Kingdom” “seven times” meaning and its supporting “Temple” 70 years, now reinforced meaning, are the central issues in reality, both traceable with a massive history that totally harmonizes with all prophecy like a perfect puzzle leading to the future Kingdom and Temple COMPLETIONS to come, under Christ, well after Bethel goes down as the modern “apostate Jerusalem” symbol. (Matt24:15; Matt22:1-14; Dan8:13-14; Matt25:1-13)

All’s Well that Ends Well!

And so EITHER WAY 607 is the marked date, still, but now in time it will revisit 1914 CE with added emphasis of a truly perfectly harmonious total overview all the way back to 740 BCE (and before), all the dates are valid, the events just shift “20 years” forward, and thus the “20 year” “problem” is fixed for good.

Now the 70 years marked directly:

1. The length and end of “Nebuchadnezzar” symbolic Gentile rule, in 70 years.

2. The King Nebuchadnezzar marked disruption of the natural flow of the Davidic Kingdom Covenant kings for 70 years, eventually retaining a “son of David” in Zerubbabel, but as “governor” rather than “king”, thus still being “trampled” to this day. (As Zerubbabel ties to Kingdom-Temple, completion meaning of Zechariah’s Temple Revelation)

3. This context Allows 70 years of exile and “Seventy Sabbaths” to be fully accounted within a 90 year overall cushion zone, but no doubt also tied to 607 in some manner, but not having to be so—it still works!!!!

4. And all this solid “seventy years” in “seven times” principle, allowed the Temple Priesthood Covenant of “Melchizedek”, to be demonstrated on High Priest Joshua (Joshua) (Zech6:9-15), after of an offset phase of 70 years of also Temple destruction with Jerusalem’s destruction 585-586 BCE, when Jerusalem’s second Temple was COMPLETED in 515-516 BCE, 70 years after its destruction.

And thus an divine “seventy years” iron link is forged and also connected to Haggai and Zechariah, far greater modern meaning to ALL the “Kingdom”, “Temple” and “Holy City” significance in prophecy and the reality to arrive with Christ, to the very year, day, hour and second the Almighty purposes!! All the world has to do, is get 8th King World Government done first (Dan11:45; Dan8:25; Rev17:8-18; Rev13:3,15-18), as the 7th King/King South must fall [5], to allow that final rise of 8th King/King North!

In God’s divine timing all this stuff is to the day and hour, we just have faith. (Rev14:12)

(James 1:16-18) Do not be misled, my beloved brothers. 17 Every good gift, [the “Grand Father Clock”], and every perfect present is from above, for it comes down from the Father of the [celestial] lights [and the Clock of the Universe, Christ], and with him there is not a variation of the turning of the shadow. 18 Because he willed it, he brought us forth by the word of truth, for us to be certain firstfruits of his creatures.

Human error of a couple years is understandable. Controversy? If the coming Messianic Kingdom eternal reign of God and Christ was all cool with the “Gentiles”, then worry—of course there will be doubt, discrediting and apostate Bethel to mark our final era! It’s a “no brainer”!

Therefore any “1 or 2” year variance in secular, Jewish and Bible dating correlation, is just standard .01-.02% human error and various “ascension, regnal” year, Jewish calendar offset and counting traditions seeming inconsistencies, and purposeful disinformation, which are right on in divine and prophetic reality. But it is better than 20 years of the unaccounted time which developed when the ASSUMPTION the “seven times” of 70 years had to begin with Jerusalem’s total destruction, as if their was some divine law the exile and desolation had to be concurrent, which they did not have to be.

And yet it all still retains the truth of the significance of the 607 BCE date!!

In fact it makes it all the more significant, as now with triple the emphasis, as shown, is what is actually most important in Daniel 4’s prophecy which contains Nebuchadnezzar’s dynastic limit of 70 years, the Davidic Kingdom disruption of 70 years, and the “Shake off its foliage, and scatter its fruitage” of 70 years exile is also met.

And yet, Two bandings? Two timings! 607 and 586! The big “seven times” of 2520 years still applies overall from the 607 BCE triple marker.

By understandable error at old-school Bethel, the valid DATE, 607 BCE, by such an erred assumption of the ASSUMED EVENT that marked it and is “exile” and “destruction” assumed concurrency, in this case OTHER EVENTS, valid ones, that actually marked it, became the “center of the JW Timing Universe” for all dating prior to and with Zedekiah. That is why everything after Cyrus 537 BCE “Jives”, and everything before 537 BCE has a “twenty year” error, starting with Zedekiah. Just subtract 20 years, prior to King Zedekiah’s dating.

And thus the unneeded “decompression”, sliding backward in time “20 years”, in Jehoiakim’s 11 years and Zedekiah’s 11 years, and everything before them, to fit the “607” EVENT assumption, became that “20 year problem” in 22 years of an unaccountable time shift as the original mistake pushed all dates around 20 years back, before Cyrus the Great’s 539-537 BCE “set in stone” other key date. The 607 date still applies, as shown, the Jerusalem destruction was offset that 20 years to 586 BCE, for “Holy City” and “Temple” purposes of other supporting prophecy.

The REAL dual event, marking 586 BCE, is Jerusalem’s “Kingdom Capital” destruction and the Holy Temple destruction of 586 BCE, which are then completed in post Cyrus activity of Haggai and Zechariah’s prophecy, perfectly concluding the ancient Israel era, just shifted forward 20 years, but with the same 70 year significance of rebuilding and completion! Christ and Revelation arrived to wrap it up for our era, same themes, same 2520 years carry over to the final 2520 days as Revelation 8-11 must fulfill twice, once in 1914-1919, one more time in the future, BEFORE Christ arrives, into world government and his arrival.

Jeremiah gave the final kings of his days full warning for 40 years (Jer1), and from Josiah, but especially for Jehoiakim to Zedekiah, they could have repented, with the people, but they all ignored all 40 years of Jeremiah’s warning and divine advice for admission, and submission to Babylon.

This is why Cyrus the Great was God’s “anointed one” that solidifies the divine benchmark of that time, just as Christ did in 29 CE for the “seventy weeks” (Dan9).

(Isaiah 45:1-7) This is what Jehovah has said to his anointed one, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have taken hold of, to subdue before him nations, so that I may ungird even the hips of kings; to open before him the two-leaved doors, so that even the gates will not be shut: 2 “Before you I myself shall go, and the swells of land I shall straighten out. The copper doors I shall break in pieces, and the iron bars I shall cut down. 3 And I will give you the treasures in the darkness and the hidden treasures in the concealment places, in order that you may know that I am Jehovah, the One calling [you] by your name, the God of Israel. 4 For the sake of my servant Jacob and of Israel my chosen one, I even proceeded to call you by your name; I proceeded to give you a name of honor, although you did not know me. 5 I am Jehovah, and there is no one else. With the exception of me there is no God. I shall closely gird you, although you have not known me, 6 in order that people may know from the rising of the sun and from its setting that there is none besides me. I am Jehovah, and there is no one else. 7 Forming light and creating darkness, making peace and creating calamity, I, Jehovah, am doing all these things.

IT ALL WORKS! GOOD NEWS! The “Bad News” is GOOD NEWS in reality! Thank God through Christ and all His prophets for sticking to the purpose, come hell or high-water!

And it will in time call attention to 1914 CE, once again (Rev10:11), once God “tramples” apostate Bethel (Dan8:13-14; Dan11:41), also in 70 years of post GB shenanigans since 1944 [1], and 40 years of their usurpation of real anointed Christian input in the JW ministry since 1976 [2], for the illegal “in the temple” Reign of Error of the illegal Governing Body of Dictators since 1976 (2Thess2:1-12), as illegal as hell in God’s temple arrangement, soon to be “cut down” too, but those slick apostates (Dan11:32a; Dan8:12) aint coming back up. (Matt24:15; Dan8:13-14; Isa66:6; Zech3:1-5)

Thus Daniel 8:13-14 is the temple judgment and its phasing, timing (3.19 years minimum) and Bethel “trampling” events that will prove itself first, so JWs can be put back on track in time for the final warning. (Rev8-11:1-7)

Of course APOSTATE Bethel is not going to make anything easier or clarify a single thing, they are going to stumble people and beat sheep and their FELLOW slaves! It is all now Apostate Bethel lawless “business as usual”. (Dan11:32-35; 2Thess2:1-12)

But even if the dating remained the same (but it does not have to, and it will not, in time (Dan8:14)), it is still a valid DATE and YEAR, it is just the EVENTS that mark that valid date, needed clarification. In reality it appears the subjugation of Jerusalem was no slam dunk, as Jeremiah warned for 40 years, 5 kings of Israel from Josiah, to Jehoahaz, to Jehoiakim, to Jehoiachin to Zedekiah, and finally God had had enough. (2 King 24:2 marks Jehoiakim’s reign as the period of activation) Thus God delayed the exile and destruction as a fair warning period that could have been responded to, but was ignored.

Connecting to Temple Completion, in full Kingdom Significance

1. In the Kingdom and Temple connection to 515-516 BCE, Jehoiachin (Jeconiah) was then the grand father of Zerubbabel, Davidic line maintained, and is an exile marker as well, as is Jeremiah 29:1-13 (and Daniel 1:1-2, Ezekiel 33:21, Zechariah 1:12)

(Matthew 1:12) After the deportation to Babylon Jeconiah became father to Shealtiel; Shealtiel became father to Zerubbabel;

There is more proof Jehovah started to count his “70 years” exile before the Jerusalem destruction, and we can see others details when we look at ALL the “seventy years” prophecies—and a concurrent exile and desolation is not required**[4]—they can be offset and still retain the truth!

2. And in the Temple connection, Joshua was High Priest Seraiah’s grand son (killed in Jerusalem), son of Jehozadak, (1 Chronicles 6:1-15; Hag1:1-2; Zech6:11-13), as the high priest line is traced back to Aaron, all the way to Joshua, to the 515-516 BCE completion of the second Temple of Jerusalem.

(Zechariah 6:11) And you must take silver and gold and make a grand crown and put [it] upon the head of Joshua the son of Jehozadak the high priest.

And thus that era wrapped up perfectly as detailed by Zechariah and Haggai, and Malachi was the last prophet leading to the Christ for that Jewish age conclusion set-up, and the Revelation wrap up of John, from God. And Jehovah’s witnesses have the valid master pattern, merely being discredit by Bethel error and modern evils.

Now I am totally and absolutely certain the validity of 607, which still holds, as anyways 1914 speaks for itself, as WW1 led to the “8th King” world government designate first presentation and THAT is no coincidence. NOTHING changes, it just got stronger.

(Revelation 1:1) A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place.

The final “seven times” are 2520 days, as the “two” “witnesses”, 2 x 1260 days = 2520 days, “first witness” 1914-1919, and the future “second witness” final witnessing to emerge from the Bethel apostasy judgment. (Dan8:13-14; Rev8-11)

607 is good, 1914 is good and affirmed by stand alone 1260 days prophecies, and the globalist King North events that saw the counter-Kingdom “League of Nations”, the very “Gentile” rulership entity, also raise its head as the 1260 days, in TWO “witnessings”, will also end up being “seven times” as “October 1914” linked to December 1914 to start the 1260 days first round. But there is a final 1260 days for the “second witness” of the “two witnesses”. [3]


Daniel 7:25, Daniel 12:7, Revelation 11:2-3, Revelation 12:6,14 and Revelation 13:5-7 also manifested in 1914-1918, and 1914-1919 (Rev11), and will manifest as Daniel 7:25, Daniel 12:7, Revelation 11:2-3, Revelation 12:14 and Revelation 13:5-7 enroute to 8th King world government, and the Christ arrival, not “the end” (2Thess2:1-2), but the final cycle of Revelation 8-11 and 15-16. [3]


1944: The Governing Body, UN Allied Apostate Leaders of the Implied “Wrong Condition” of Daniel 8:14


1944 Governing Body Birthday—1914-1976 WTBTS Board of Directors Coup Finally Realized


Why TWO Witnesses?


All Seventy Years Prophecies:

(2 Chronicles 36:21) to fulfill Jehovah’s word by the mouth of Jeremiah, until the land had paid off its sabbaths. All the days of lying desolated it kept sabbath, to fulfill seventy years.

(Daniel 9:2) 2 in the first year of his reigning I myself, Daniel, discerned by the books the number of the years concerning which the word of Jehovah had occurred to Jeremiah the prophet, for fulfilling the devastations of Jerusalem, [namely,] seventy years.

As we see Nebuchadnezzar’s dynasty was also going to be limited to 70 years as well:

(Jeremiah 25:11-12) And all this land must become a devastated place, an object of astonishment, and these nations will have to serve the king of Babylon seventy years.”’ 12 “‘And it must occur that when seventy years have been fulfilled I shall call to account against the king of Babylon and against that nation,’ is the utterance of Jehovah, ‘their error, even against the land of the Chaldeans, and I will make it desolate wastes to time indefinite.

These people were in Jehoiachin’s marked exile, when God told them this:

(Jeremiah 29:10) “For this is what Jehovah has said, ‘In accord with the fulfilling of seventy years at Babylon I shall turn my attention to you people, and I will establish toward you my good word in bringing you back to this place.’

(Daniel 9:1-4) In the first year of Darius the son of Ahasuerus of the seed of the Medes, who had been made king over the kingdom of the Chaldeans; 2 in the first year of his reigning I myself, Daniel, discerned by the books the number of the years concerning which the word of Jehovah had occurred to Jeremiah the prophet, for fulfilling the devastations of Jerusalem, [namely,] seventy years. 3 And I proceeded to set my face to Jehovah the [true] God, in order to seek [him] with prayer and with entreaties, with fasting and sackcloth and ashes. 4 And I began to pray to Jehovah my God and to make confession and to say:

(Zechariah 1:12) So the angel of Jehovah answered and said: “O Jehovah of armies, how long will you yourself not show mercy to Jerusalem and to the cities of Judah, whom you have denounced these seventy years?”

And thus the TEMPLE completion was also a priority for God to mark with 70 years as well, from the first temple destruction to 515.

King 8 Versus King 7—The New World Order to Capture the Old World Order


Major Prophetic Milestones to Armageddon

The Final Phase – Final Prophetic Cycle Periods and Sovereign Meanings

8th King/King North World Government as Simple as Possible

Temple Judgment to World Government to Christ Arrival

End Time Prophecy Coming Milestones To Christ Arrival – Now and of the Future


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Timothy is filled with the spirit. A good point that the ruling elites weapon of chioce is deception just as the gb is. They control the media and all organizations including the gb. I believe all seven are freemasons and a few high ranking freemasons. They are apostates. How can Billy Graham preach the Word of God and be a 33 degree Freemason? What they practice and believe is in complete opposition to God and His Anointed Son because they are totally opposed to the salvation of Jesus resurrection and He is the only way to God (John 14:6).
The ruling elites are so decetive. They are all apostates and gather with the world and the kings to conspire to externalize satan as an exoteric ruler and force the world to worship him (Psalms 2). Jesus our Great Shepherd will save His battered sheep!
Have you read Alice Bailey’s book “The Externalisation of the Hierarchy”?


Yes the GB are the “in” puppets, who puppet Bethel, and JWs, for the upper Masonic controllers behind the scenes, probably all Masons by now.

It is like a “33rd degree” multi level “3d puppet show”, controlled puppets, controlling puppets, controlling more puppets, controlling the JW puppets. But it is an act, and Puppet Show, that is obvious now.

That is why that GB is so passionless, hollow, spiritless and bored to death with their jobs. Look at Sanderson, you couldn’t get a faker corpse if you went to an amateur dinner theater and found a bad actor. They have NO SPIRIT or true conviction or authority in their black coal hearts. They are a RUSTY tin man, no offense to the tin man.


The so-called “Governing Body” concept basis and purpose goes all the way back to Babel:

The core error is the “governing body” concept itself; it comes from Babel:

Bloodlines of the Illuminati pg. 2-3 Introduction (by Fritz Springmeier 1998)

The Mystery Religions each had their secret councils which ruled them, and these councils themselves came under the guidance of a secret supreme Grand Council or Governing Body.

Thus the very core element of the Babel Religious System, is the very heart of the Jehovah’s witnesses ministry now! An example of that Babel “body” concept, is in the Pharisees who led the Jerusalem apostasy:

Occult Theocracy ch. 7 pg 77 Judaism, The Pharisees (by Edith Starr Miller 1933)

In his book Nicholas II et les Juifs, Netchvolodow explains that ” the Chaldean science acquired by many of the Jewish priests, during the captivity of Babylon, gave birth to the sect of the Pharisees whose name only appears in the Holy Scriptures and in the writings of the Jewish historians after the captivity (606 B. C).

Click to access occult_theocrasy.pdf


The same Babel origin “Supreme Council” or “Governing Body” concept defines the Catholic Papal system and all of Christendom’s “governing bodies”:

The Two Babylons ch. 6 p. 301-302 Religious Orders Section 1 The Sovereign Pontiff (by Alexander Hislop 1858)

If there be any who imagine that there is some occult and mysterious virtue in an apostolic succession that comes through the Papacy, let them seriously consider the real character of the Pope’s own orders, and of those of his bishops and clergy. From the Pope downwards, all can be shown to be now radically Babylonian. The College of Cardinals, with the Pope at its head, is just the counterpart of the Pagan College of Pontiffs, with its “Pontifex Maximus,” or “Sovereign Pontiff,” which had existed in Rome from the earliest times, and which is known to have been framed on the model of the grand original Council of Pontiffs at Babylon. The Pope now pretends to supremacy in the Church as the successor of Peter…

Sound familiar?

*** Watchtower 2013 7/15 p. 18, par. 12 Feeding Many Through the Hands of a Few ***

The channel he used for spiritual feeding was clearly recognizable. After all, the apostles—the original members of the governing body—could provide visible proof of heavenly backing.


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Notice how this mentally ill moron”BETHELJUDGMENT” tries to draw the negative attention off himself by insulting two other posters who claim to be Christ when BETHELJUDGMENT furiously posts pages of psychobabble after psychobabble spamming this forum and having a website where he has written pages of psychobabble after psychobabble that absolutely means nothing rewording the same psychobabble after psychobabble over and over again.
This poster “BETHELJUDGMENT” is just as mentally ill as “linecalier” and “jake999” but in a different way. All three live off the tax payers so they can poison different forums all day with their mentally deficient nonsensical deluded paranoid garbage.What all three have in common is that they were once JWS,BETHELJUDGMENT couldn’t hack it as a JW so he created nonsense up that he pretends means something when he knows in the back of his head means absolutely nothing. His grudge has led him to his mental and emotional deterioration,he believes absolutely NOTHING he says and his diseased mind runs the show.
Every one of these posters have been on psych meds and have had several psychiatric admissions before and they should all be on psych meds right now,I’m assuming all three are the type to knowingly live in denial live off the taxpayers and refuse treatment.

You are obsessed with Psychiatry. Perhaps there is a disorder describing this symptom? May we have a peak in your well stocked medicine cabinet? LOL

I am not insulting either Jake or Line, I was merely waiting for that third coming, to meet the second coming—THAT is what was in the back of my mind.

As far as everything else centering around Bethel’s downfall with, but well prior to, the 7th King’s own fall for 8th King world government ascension—then the real Christ arrival—it will prove itself as the world scene brews towards the context into which Bethel will hit the fan first as the Temple Judgment of Jehovah’s Witnesses.

Bethel’s downfall will have greater meaning than many are now unaware of, as they play cards that do not ID the Bethel Jokers properly. Bethel is a FULL HOUSE of Masonic JW GB Overlords of the world government supporting disinformation crew—33rd Degree Puppets.

Getting into naive JW’s house was easy for them, but God permitted it for a greater future reason. (2Thess2:11-12; Dan8:13-14) JWs should understand they have been the target to infiltrate and corrupt, but they are distracted with the Bethel “End of the World” Hype and coming “Armageddon Hoax”, especially designed for the JW babies and their Candy Store.

Bethel’s Armageddon Hoax Basics



> I am not sure what scriptures is used to derive at 607 bc as the fall of
> Jerusalem and the Sumerian cuneiforms detail some of it. It certainly has
> brought up a lot of questians and I may need to put in some time to study it
> better.
> I did find that the Cyrus Cylender did determine the conquest of Babylon was in
> 539 bc. However, when I read through it I didn’t find any dates but many events
> so that the events may give a clue to when all of it took place. I think the
> Babylonian and Sumerian cuneiforms may reveal more.
> I am at a pivotal point in my manifesto and it is really time consuming. I love
> it though.
> Agape

There is no problem as far as the significance of 607-1914, in fact I feel this just makes it all the more solid. 607 to 1914 still applies. But I’ll talk about it more later.

All I can say is it respects ALL of 25 of these prophetic proofs and dating proofs, currently Bethel’s version respects only 5 of these features:

“Seven Times Prophecy and Context
Main 607 BCE to 537 BCE 70 Years Proof
With 586 BCE to 516 BCE 70 Years Extra Proof Support


[#] Where Bethel Respects Feature

[1.] Respects 607 BCE to 1914 CE “Seven Times”

[2.] Respects Significance of Gentile Disruption of Davidic Kings

3. Requires Jerusalem’s Destruction to Begin Timing

[4.] Respects 70 Years Exile Termination in Cyrus 537 BCE Event

5. Respects 70 Years of Babylon’s “Seven Times” 70 Year Permission Principle

[6.] Respects 70 Years of Davidic Kings Marked Disruption

7. Correlates With Known Chronologies in Every Aspect

8. Fully Demonstrates the Entire Daniel 4 Prophecy Focused on Nebuchadnezzar/Babylon Parallel with Judean King Deposition, BOTH “Seven Times”

9. Fully Co-Harmonizes the Whole Daniel 2 with 4, Relationship Focused on Babylon “head of gold”

10. Demonstrates 3 Concurrent “Seven Times” Proofs

11. Relates to 5 “Seven Times” Further Extensions to 1914 CE*

12. Uses Two “Gentile” Benchmarks in Nebuchadnezzar 607 BCE and Cyrus 537 BCE

13. Fully Demonstrates Zechariah; Zerubabbel and Joshua Significance

14. Demonstrates 70 Years Jerusalem Destruction Full Significance

15. Demonstrates 70 Years Temple Destruction Full Significance

16. Highlights Temple Completion Tie In of 515-516 BCE in 70 Years

17. Demonstrates Christ “King-Priest” Culmination

18. *Sets Up Revelation 11 Two Witnesses 2520 Days “Seven Times” (1260 Days X 2)

19. Properly Concludes the Hebrew Prophecy Era, and Ties in Zechariah, Haggai, Malachi Perfectly

20. Does not Create a Dating Nightmare

21. Does not Present Fictitious Event/Timing Relationships

22. Does not Assume All Events Must Be Concurrent

23. Does not Create a Stumbling Block by Glaring Error

[24.] Is in Harmony with Jehovah’s Witnesses Foundational Beliefs

25. Harmonizes All Current Problems with the “Seven Times” Prophecy

26. And it EXONERATES Ray Franz, who, imo, was on to all this from way back, and was WRONGLY deposed so as to hinder this final harmonization that answers it ALL.

I now consider that Ray Franz was opening this can of worms in 1979, to find the harmonious solution, and they got rid of him, because MOL wants to keep ALL errors in place to stumble some people, when in reality there is no stumbling block, just greater affirmation of the “seven times” MEGA Prophecy that it actually is in ALL regards to tracking Judean AND the Babylon permitted period of domination, all “seven times” defined!!

I will say my faith has never been stronger, thank God through Christ, and this harmonization really capped off my Bible studies, and this adds fascination to an already fascinating study in Biblical chronology. In reality God’s timing is like clockwork, and it in greater harmony with secular human attempts, than is present in the current Bethel first pass attempt.

Thanks for Cyrus Cylinder link.



Well BEFORE they start fingering who they should murder—if only they could; FIRST they need to define what an apostate is.

APOSTATE: Is one who “leaves the holy covenant” for another covenant (Dan11:30b), like Bethel did when they partnered with the UN NGO GLOBAL-666-COVENANT as a Global Wildbeast Co-Promoters, employing JWs to “disseminate new world order UN “public information”” in support of the UN 3rd presentation in 1990, also a prophecy—a prophecy Bethel covers up as Daniel 8:12b.

Definition of Apostate: UN-Bethel

Then they can start their sentencing on the Governing Body. But since they are too timid to nail the real Temple Criminals and Illegal Priests of GBabel, God will carry out the sentence of their own mouth for them come Daniel 8:13-14 time, when it is time to clean out the “city of murderers”, which is Bethel (Matt22:1-12; Isa66:6), to open salvation to EVERYONE once again in the aftermath of the coming temple judgment. (1Pet4:17; Zech3:1-5)

I guess the Bethel Inquisition Disfellowshipping Policy is just a scare tactic anyways:

*** w52 8/1 p. 451 “Defending and Legally Establishing the Good News” ***

The efforts of the priests to stir up the common people to violence against Jehovah’s witnesses have failed; merely warning their parishioners not to accept literature has had no effect; and the excommunication scare does not work anymore. (Matt24:15)

When UN NGO Bethel Placed The Disgusting Thing

But for fled awake Christians, who have abandoned the Bethel APOSTASY, it does not work. The judgment comes on Bethel next. Keep that Bethel Blip on your radar, and when it goes black and disappears, you will know why: The UN NGO Apostasy.

Connecting Bethel Lawlessness to Final Prophecy

Daniel 8 and 11 Final Apostasy and 3rd UN Placement (1990) Connections and Parallels

Apostate Bethel is doomed, do not get caught IN that city come judgment time. And that time is nigh, it is 11:55 and Bethel’s Midnight of Accounting is just five minutes away, “soon,very soon”. (WT 7/15/2015).



> God bless you Bethel. I hope you keep strengthening your faith. I can see you
> really deeply study the prophecies and have an exceptional understanding of
> them. You really had to have a desire to understand them to understand them the
> way you have. I also feel very fulfilled in my faith and understaning of the
> prophecies more every day as I continue to study.
> My understanding of the second coming of Jesus lead to an apostasy but also a
> 70 year trampling just as 607-538 bc and 70-140 ad and now 1945-2015 (October
> 24th) which took three weeks and I saw the changing of the guard has begun and
> we can expect a lot more. More justice will prevail than corruption and
> wickedness. Everyday I see it advance more and more. They are overlapping I
> think and we will begin to see.
> Agape

God bless you as well. Thanks for the encouragement, it really does help the upstream swim, when most people cannot catch on to 1/100th of all this reality of apostasy we are seeing, and its truly mind lowing global and “in the temple” context.

I think we have been given valid insights from God through Christ, so of course they are who do it, we just need to be able and willing to put forth the effort, and guard the right attitude. Attitude is everything, a person can sin a thousand times by weaknesses, but if we really are repentant, our ATTITUDE will be of real remorse and falling short realization, whereby grace and undeserved kindness really becomes believed for requiring to have faith in, to be forgiven. IT is the key, not the Bethel Circus of Vain Works, that merely is a dose of spiritual pain-killing heroin for all the crimes the subconscious detects, even if it be denied with Criminal Bethel.

It is the JW attitude, that the “despot GB effect” most affects. ATTITUDE. Many JWs strive for moral integrity, but if that horrid GB Attitude slips in, self righteousness, we alone are saved, all done, alls’ good, then the ship is lost. The conscience radar of spiritual sins gets shut off.

But I recall when you talked about the 1945 marked 70 years of profaning. And now with the GB 1944 slow injection of that Babel leaven, we are in definitely in 70 years of GB progressive sins, and 40 Years under their despotic tyranny as GB Dictators when they stabbed Fred Franz and Nathan Knorr in the back, and through Ray Franz under the bus.

HEAVY ACCOUNTING is coming on Bethel and especially that Governing Body entity. It is not Biblical, it is not “from the first century”, it is from BABEL, CORPORATE BABEL, also the fathers of the first “corporate” legal system of Rome and the Popes. Corporate = BODY, meaning “The Corporation” concept is also a Babel “body” device.

Now we have used the generic devices in general, but now they are claiming Kingship, ownership, and a “divinity” of idols based on these corporatized elements [some] JWs now praise, adore and trust in. The “corporate pantheon” of handy devices, and its techniques like marketing and logos and branding, is what allows this secular form of idol worship, very subtly, right in the very mechanism of producing ministerial teaching aids, that are NOT kept in their proper mundane place.

JWs are in far far worse shape in that entire counter-temple system, it is the whole ministerial context now. True there is truth in the origin, but this new morphology is now total idolatry, mystery priest kings, and its capital “city” and its JW slaves.

But on understanding, the “first witness” really explained it all for us, we just put the effort with God’s help to merely update the maturing of it all into the reality of our modern global developments. Thus if we keep the “first witness” in our faith, like that saved oil of the five discreet virgins, then we will get the light from God, to see it the more we pore over it, with God’s help to stay focused and get the time. That is why they suck the time from everyone in every way they can, because it takes TIME and persistence to apply regularly.

An example of time killing, is at Bethel itself. The very place that should be a UNIVERSITY of DOCTORATE LEVEL, so to speak, “graduate studies”, is instead a BORING BUSY-BEE ROUTINE. And, as you may have heard some Bethelites note, they have to escape to rooftops and basement closets just to get 15 minutes of alone time TO THINK!!!! They got it all hustling and bustling with everyone in your face 24/7, which of course kills time, and kills scriptural meditation, for that little spoon of rotten baby food they call “morning worship”, or even worse “the meetings”.

But if we we keep all the main  patterns from 607-1914, 1914-1945, TWO witnessings, second in the future, we can just let God put these last pieces of harmony of the whole, in place. And we can avoid get misled by premature expectations that are in JWs and external opinions. This thing has to unwind at “Biblical proportions” for SALVATION as the message.

And thus too, God will simplify and yet detail the “first witness” for its update to modern UN and spiritual reality. But now when I preach to people in my life, I just stick to what they already believe in God, Christ and Christ’s sure arrival, because it will boil down to Christ, in the end. You know, Bethel going down will broaden the message, and refocus on the salvation ability of God and Christ. The conquest part should be a no brainer by default, BUT it is the LAST thing Christ does. FIRST PRIORITY is salvation—to, and even through, Christ’s arrival.


But I will say not just here, but in general, you have a deep grasp of the importance of the “first witness”, and the whole Bethel judgment, and your own witness of God’s covenant and Christ’s covenant, Kingdom, temple and salvation. And really, all this GB this, that, and the other thing, is to discredit that “first witnessing”, THAT has been the main goal. And look at Topix sample, most here ATE THE POISON BAIT, and that very Colorful GB Scandal Lure, is the very modern lure by which it is all gobbled hook, line and sinker. The GB Apostasy is what makes it look like it is all a joke, and all invalid, on this end of the development.

As you know, it is very difficult to get someone to see 1/50th of what you view as assured reality in this apostasy and its context. It just rolls off of JWs like water off a duck, it is ASTOUNDING how impervious they are.

So, keep the real faith, HUGE JUDGMENT events, on God’s house first, will need to be used to free JWs from their own Modern Babel imprisonment. Of course the brewing global context will get more severe to accommodate the Bethel Storm. But I bet my life, Daniel 8:13-14 (Zech3:1-5) will PROVE ITSELF, in that process. And that is why it is timed, because JWs are not going to have an easy time accepting reality, at first. And they are also our target to get through to, when God permits the full import to open to those that can come into repentance for approval.



But with 607 I was going with it in any case, but on a second deeper look at the age of other 586 zone datings, with no ulterior motive I could detect from 1600s and 1700s and even earlier, such as Isaac Newton’s timeline and corrections he did for the Queen, I felt the 607 has a Babylon dating in the alternative possibility WITH a 70 year Judean Kings disruption first by interference, then after twenty more years of Jeremiah warnings, total destruction.

What this told me was the “seventy years” could have applied even if Jerusalem had repented and avoided destruction! And the exile was also partial to complete, like the Judean King line “trampling”, it was progressive to aid the period of Jeremiah’s final warning phase, that last 20 years, of his whole 40 YEARS of warning. Another 70 and 40 overall.

But when the destruction finally came, let us say 586 BCE, LO AND BEHOLD! it was 70 years to 515-516 BCE and the TEMPLE COMPLETION!!! Which is of course a HUGE MILESTONE MEANING, that also ties in 586 to 515 as 70 years, and links that climax event of also temple destruction, to God ONLY permitting “seven times” upon it’s desolation for the Hebrew era, and the grand finale wrap up and summary such an event provides! And even more so, Davidic Zerubabel was placed in continuing gentile subserviency, since 537 BCE zone, but it led to Joshua being “crowned” Priest-King in COMPLETION supporting symbol.

At that MONUMENTAL TEMPLE COMPLETION (Zech4:6-9), God pulled a symbolic trick, to coronate His “King-Priest” “Joshua” (Zech6:9-15), so as to not trigger Medo-Persian angst! They crowned the High Priest instead, as pert of the temple completion ceremony I gather, and kept it low key!!!! NICE!!! Hilarious!!!!

Now the “King-Priest” “Sprout” (Daniel 4 implied “sprout” from the “iron and copper” dual band released “rootstock”), was foregleamed (Zech6:9-15) as it will be Christ when the real Temple completes in the future to end the “seven times” of Revelation 11’s “TWO witnessings” of 1260 days, as 2520 days, or the true final “seven times”. Which was allowed, because even with this possible revision, 607 BCE to 1914 CE is STILL VALID, always has been valid, and even more so, imo. NOW >BOTH< Babylon’s 70 years “seven times” and the Judean Davidic Kings 70 years as “seven times” BOTH ran parallel from 607 BCE to 537 BCE!

And thus Daniel 4, by this updated possibility, is even more comprehensively demonstrated. And by its connection to Zechariah/Haggai, Zerubbabel/Joshua, era and the Jerusalem and Temple rebuilding, by that 70 year “offset” from 586 BCE to 516 BCE, Zechariah is fully tied in very well, to this whole 607 BCE beginning “seven times” main development!

They are not “left hanging”, as is the case at this time with Bethel’s version, which is not “totally wrong”, it was merely an completely understandable first pass assumption that all events MUST be concurrent. And now the dating nightmare is resolved, with a nice surprise too boot! It all “jives” like clockwork in reality. Nebuchadnezzar’s Babylon dynasty did NOT last “86 years” as per the Bethel 625 BCE coronation of Neb, it lasted 70 years, just like the prophecy stated to ALSO apply to Babylon Neb Dynasty. And he was at the least crown prince in 607 BCE. But with this kind of dting, he may have well been king in 607 BCE, secular dating says 605 BCE. But HIS DATING is also a SOLID GENTILE MARKER for 607 BCE, as is CYRUS SOLID GENTILE MARKER for 537 BCE!!! And it all still applies, of course, to 1914 CE.

But as I think we are seeing, all these events did not have to be all concurrent as some prophetic/scriptural requirement, the ones that are needed to be concurrent, in (1) Babylon Neb Dynasty 70 Years and the Davidic-King 70 Years, and (2) the Jerusalem/Temple 70 years from total destruction to rebuilding and Temple Total Completion, are concurrent.

And the “offset”, completely allows a SOLID connect, to Zechariah and Haggai, and the marked main 70 Year event, in (1), that led to those final Zerubbabel and Joshua completion events, but also a 70 Year significance!. Thus Zechariah 3-4, and Zechariah 6:9-15, tie in perfectly. And in time, that linked to 1914, and Revelation 11’s “first witnessing” and 1914-1918 “time, times and half a time”.

Which now we know it is TWO “witnesses”, that 3.5 times (1260 days), TWICE, 1914-1918 and the future, and thus the “seven times” is ALSO present in the Revelation 11 prophecy having to manifest TWICE, “3.5 times” X 2=”7 times” and 1260days X 2=2520 DAYS “seven times”, or the FINAL SEVEN TIMES. And no wonder the 2520 years from 607 BCE, arrived at 1914 (Oct). BUT the 1260 days arise INDEPENDENTLY (Dec), but of course, are STRONGLY RELATED!

Thus Daniel 4 and Revelation and Daniel’s 1260 days periods are co-supporting, they are not dependent on each others direct timing link in prophecy, but are linked in globally seen events! GOD made certain the 1260 days began in the same year, 1914, as the 2520 years ended! And thus their direct link, in GLOBAL EVENTS AS WELL, is 1914. The 2520 years was a marked sovereign period leading to the arrival of Christ in God’s Kingdom (1914 valid), and the beginning of the final warning “seven times” period (as eventually 2520 days) we are still in, as expressed in that symbolic but real “first witnessing” in 1260 days of actual PHYSICAL MINISTRY, though of course with spiritual import as proclaiming that “seven times” “appointed times of the nations have ended”.

Because they had ended the 2520 years “seven times”! (Oct-1914) All valid. BUT the 2520 days of final warning, in its first “3.5 times”, had begun as well!! (Dec-1914) In the SAME YEAR. BUT identifiable for different reasons. The Christian ministry, made known the otherwise invisible 2520 years “seven times”. And unbeknownst to JWs at that time, and even now, it had begun the FINAL SEVEN TIMES as well, as 2520 days, in its initial “first witness” 1260 days, or “3.5 times”. OF COURSE a 3.5 times as an INCOMPLETE NUMBER, that MUST COMPLETE as 7 Times. And it will.



[QUOTE who=”Postit”]They still exist under different names. How do Pharisees exist under the WTS belief system? I want to know of your opinions![/QUOTE]

Well the “Governing Body”, comes from the same place the Pharisees came from: BABEL.

From an Error to “The Lie”

In keeping with the principle of God permitting a core error to “go to them”, in this case we Jehovah’s witnesses, for decades, to form the basis of a judgment with undisputable evidence:

(2 Thessalonians 2:11-12) So that is why God lets an operation of error go to them, that they may get to believing the lie, 12 in order that they all may be judged because they did not believe the truth but took pleasure in unrighteousness.

1. The core error is the “governing body” concept itself; it comes from Babel:

Bloodlines of the Illuminati pg. 2-3 Introduction (by Fritz Springmeier 1998)

The Mystery Religions each had their secret councils which ruled them, and these councils themselves came under the guidance of a secret supreme Grand Council or Governing Body.

Thus the very core element of the Babel Religious System, is the very heart of the Jehovah’s witnesses ministry now! “The Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses”—and there is a great modern example of that Babel controlling “body” concept.

2. But before Christendom employed it, it was also in the Pharisees who led the Jerusalem apostasy of Christ’s time:

Occult Theocracy ch. 7 pg 77 Judaism, The Pharisees (by Edith Starr Miller 1933)

In his book Nicholas II et les Juifs, Netchvolodow explains that ” the Chaldean science acquired by many of the Jewish priests, during the captivity of Babylon, gave birth to the sect of the Pharisees whose name only appears in the Holy Scriptures and in the writings of the Jewish historians after the captivity (606 B. C).

Click to access occult_theocrasy.pdf

3. The same Babel origin “Supreme Council” or “Governing Body” concept defines the Catholic Papal system and all of Christendom’s “governing bodies” as well, all merely under various “clergy” controlling titles:

The Two Babylons ch. 6 p. 301-302 Religious Orders Section 1 The Sovereign Pontiff (by Alexander Hislop 1858)

If there be any who imagine that there is some occult and mysterious virtue in an apostolic succession that comes through the Papacy, let them seriously consider the real character of the Pope’s own orders, and of those of his bishops and clergy. From the Pope downwards, all can be shown to be now radically Babylonian. The College of Cardinals, with the Pope at its head, is just the counterpart of the Pagan College of Pontiffs, with its “Pontifex Maximus,” or “Sovereign Pontiff,” which had existed in Rome from the earliest times, and which is known to have been framed on the model of the grand original Council of Pontiffs at Babylon. The Pope now pretends to supremacy in the Church as the successor of Peter…

4. Sound familiar?

*** Watchtower 2013 7/15 p. 18, par. 12 Feeding Many Through the Hands of a Few ***

The channel he used for spiritual feeding was clearly recognizable. After all, the apostles—the original members of the governing body—could provide visible proof of heavenly backing.

So the GB claims to be apostles too, and comes from the same snake pit as the rest of ’em.

(Revelation 2:2) ‘I know your deeds, and your labor and endurance, and that you cannot bear bad men, and that you put those to the test who say they are apostles, but they are not, and you found them liars.

The Bethel “Papacy” is merely the same clergy defining “governing body” from Babel, to Babylon, to Jerusalem, to Rome, to all of Christendom, continued to modern times, to Bethel, to now lead JWs—leading that ministry in but another apostasy.

It’s ALL the SAME BABEL TEAM OF TURKEYS!!!! The GB just completes the team!!!


Wow! Looks like the Bethel Rat Nest is being unwound, and they will do anything to protect their apostasy, if they could. And speaking of Jehu:

(Hosea 1:4-7) And Jehovah went on to say to him: “Call his name Jezreel, for yet a little while and I must hold an accounting for the acts of bloodshed of Jezreel against the house of Jehu, and I must cause the royal rule of the house of Israel to cease. 5 And it must occur in that day that I must break the bow of Israel in the low plain of Jezreel.” 6 And she proceeded to become pregnant another time and to give birth to a daughter. And He went on to say to him: “Call her name Lo-ruhamah, for I shall no more show mercy again to the house of Israel, because I shall positively take them away. 7 But to the house of Judah I shall show mercy, and I will save them by Jehovah their God; but I shall not save them by a bow or by a sword or by war, by horses or by horsemen.”

Looks like Apostate Bethell is shaping up well for the King GB Ahab and JW Org “Mother” Jezebel run “ROYAL RULE of Bethel” role of modern times. Mad Mother Bethel-Bel certainly will not fool Jesus Christ:

(Revelation 2:20-23) ‘Nevertheless, I do hold [this] against you, that you tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, and she teaches and misleads my slaves to commit fornication and to eat things sacrificed to idols. 21 And I gave her time to repent, but she is not willing to repent of her fornication. 22 Look! I am about to throw her into a sickbed, and those committing adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of her deeds. 23 And her children I will kill with deadly plague, so that all the congregations will know that I am he who searches the kidneys and hearts, and I will give to you individually according to your deeds.

I think by now, we must be able to see by now, the criminal wickedness of Bethel will require a judgment of God. They are not just going to skip off scot-free, nor is this just going to be eternally swept under the Wicked Bethel rug.

(Hosea 4:5) And I will put your mother to silence.

And when God does that, the Bethel damage “smooth word” control artists (Dan11:32a), will not be able to whitewash their basement graveyard any longer.

Then “all the congregations will know that I am he who searches the kidneys and hearts, and I will give to you individually according to your deeds”. Because Bethel MUST reap, what it is they actually sow. No wonder those Bethel Apostates are the ones trying to divert attention to everyone else as “apostate”, keepign JWs looking EVERYWHERE but where the REAL APOSTATES are at Bethel, and in the Governing Body of Spiritual Ruin.

Do NOT let those Bethel racketeering criminals, spiritual and literal, call anyone an apostate. EXPOSE THEM for who THEY are: UN NGO Apostates. Sell outs, pedophile supporters, family intruders, modern day inquisitors and temple trespassers.

This is not just going away easily. (Zech3:1-5; Isa66:6) Only the Pharisees have outsinned the so-called Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses and modern apostate UN-Bethel. It IS what it IS! (Matt24:15)

[QUOTE who=”wilg”]<quoted text>
the arrival of the christ has nothing to do with bethel, it has to do with the king of the north and literal israel… gog sets foot on the soil of israel and god sanctifies himself… the nations gather together to wage war with god… what does any of that have to do with bethel? or any religion for that matter? its between god and these kings directly… the apostasy that leads to these things has to do with literal israel…


Israel is the prop of the Rothschild’s and the 8th King boys. They will provide a hoax that seems to match everything people are looking for in the manner you stated. That is why it is in your head, and all the churches too.

Israel’s apostasy was 2000 years ago. Now with JWs they will also provide the King North as if Russia and a “coalition of nations” hoax, they cannot use “Israel” on JWs.

But everyone will be given the hoax first, and it leads to world government as the decoy to cloak in that false prophecy everyone is expecting in their own way.

This is why people have to leave religion to find God, the churches and Bethel are now the main Hoax Primers. The hoax runs first, because the Devil cannot wait until Christ arrives, for then it would be TOO LATE.

So what the Devil does, is present the decoy “God’s Kingdom” and “Zion” FIRST. [1] It is cloaked as aided by the deceptive premature expectations of the corporate church complex, all programmed to aid the hoax. Bethel is one of those churches, but their HOAX comes on JWs first, and it FAILS first as well.

Now that will come, so when it does, what it means is Bethel and JWs are the SIGNAL MODERN APOSTASY that God will use, to then aid the awareness it is the FINAL CYCLE, not “the end”.

And when that comes, and it will in the Daniel 8:13-14 timing and events, by sacking Bethel, and exposing their GB Devils, the salvation message will BROADEN out once again. That is when JWs, as disappointed as they will become at first, will be FREED from Bethel’s Babel complex modern morpho-change-o devolution.

The Bethel hypnosis is so effective, only their downfall will free JWs, and they will be given opportunity, to repent, and get with reality, as God starts the final cycle signal, by exposing Bethel for what they are: UN NGO Apostasy.

Many people will be affected by the Bethel catastrophes. But it has to run its full course, hence the Daniel 8:14 timing you can verify in the first years of the global crisis called the “tribualtion of those days”, by its timing and dual phasing events of desolation on JWs, and then recovery in some way God will guide, in time, as Daniel 8:14 enters the “morning” of final recovery for the temple RIGHT CONDITION.


It will all come out in time, because God’s salvation is purposed to be far larger than the little nest of JWs, that JWs think at this time, mostly oblivious to the apostasy Bethel has devolved into, to the point of being a UN vassal organization. JWs are so high, they think nothing of it. THAT is how bad this really is. JWs are in checkmate by King North. (Dan11:32a)

But in time they get freed from Evil Bethel, and God shuts Bethel’s mouth for good, so they cannot spin a new Damage Control Plan. Instead, they shall be exposed 100%. The judgment starts with Jehovah’s witnesses this time. Very simple.

THAT is what will make this an astounding Temple Judgment event, bet your life it will be “of Biblical proportions”. Bethel is going down like a rack of bowling pins, because they have sinned against God, as led by their 1976 GB Korah Experiment gone awry.

God will toss the GB into the apostate garbage dump of infamy, that is the kingdom they have chosen. Think JWs are going to like that truth? No. But it is what it is, the GB “governs” modern JW apostasy. They are an act, they are frauds, and they are new to the minsitry. And that is why they have to go, to get back to the valid message.

JWs have the basic truth of the prophecy, but now they have the Rotten-to-the-Core GB Apostates, and they are who are destroying the ministry by lawlessness, and huge global reproach, that makes JWs, (and their message), look like a horrible joke.

All this modern GB Garbage, is not just men devolving into self and money worship, it is apostasy, and it will be judged like the rest of the apostasies before it. BUT God has to make a good example, of rotten Bethell. And He will. Because many people will become aware of what Bethel’s downfall sackign truly means. They are the ones invaded in Daniel 11:41. “Israel” of the world, is just a distraction.


World Government and Premature “Fulfillment” of Prophecy


[QUOTE who=”Maravilla”]<quoted text>. Question why are human’s figured to be the kings spoken of.. ?Why couldn’t they be GOD and Satan? granted there are world rulers out there trying to assert their power ( Domination ) . And were told that this would be so.. but it is a fact that.. they ..are only men… Any ideas on this??

Ultimately it is God versus Satan overall, true. Sometimes they were individuals, like Nebuchadnezzar, as representing national kingdoms. (Dan2, Dan4) But today, it is mostly whole nations God is IDing. And of course ALL the nations in the “United Nations” world government intent. So I do not try to ID individuals, who do lead nations, because now they come and go quickly, while the nation and its goal remains and continues, liek with Anglo-American empire.

But it has taken place in a human history, based on those Genesis 10 “seventy nations”, as they matured from Babel, in a traceable history to today, and today’s world power players.

Now true God has purposed to save many people, not because they pass some know-all-prophecy test, but because of faith and trying to be obedient to God, above men.

But at the same time, God’s prophets were extremely detailed in their records, given them by God, by His angel and holy spirit. Some of those exact details are of exact “signs” or symbolisms God uses to forecast the future:

(Revelation 1:1) . . .A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent forth his angel and presented [it] in signs through him to his slave John,

REGARDLESS of human discrediting, like Bethel reproaches are aiding, that forecast is from God, and it will come true, and give global evidence, by global progress to world government, as the “hint” to KNOW when Christ is arriving, in general terms. WORLD GOVERNMENT COMPLETION, is the key, and that will take several more years, BUT it is what it is all about! (Rev17:8-13) PINNACLE World power maturation.

So there are human figures and human nations who God uses to demonstrate the PROGRESS to Christ, since the days of Egypt and Babylon, in that JW explained Egypt to Assyria to Babylon to Medo-Persia to Greece to Rome to Anglo-America to World Government development. Apostate Bethel and their supposed “full time Bible studiers” and global event trackers, merely have dropped that 8th King fullest meaning, they are compromised badly.

But in reality, the whole 1-8 “Kings” progression, is only a small fraction of the Bible, in Daniel and Revelation, where God traces this history with symbols. Daniel 2,7,8,11-12, and Rev13,17 are STRUCTURED prophecies, tied to known histories, gauged to the arrival of Christ. [1] It is all in just seven chapters. Everything else in prophecies about global power development, all register into those frameworked timelines.

And if we notice, MOST PROPHECY HAS BECOME? HISTORY! And that trend will continue, in time the WHOLE PROPHECY will be exact history! And God keeps it fairly simple so we can track it, live and real-time. JWs NO LONGER track MODERN world government development, you know, by the misleading of the modern Bethel rat nest of traitors.

>>>WORLD GOVERNMENT<<< is the culmination of this progression, and it comes BEFORE Jesus Christ arrives—it triggers that final response.

World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3; Dan12:11), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

THAT is the simple main point.

So God keeps that much as simple as possible, because anyone can be saved, and anyone realizing that above, is already ahead of the game, because the Devil and his human co-horts will distract people, by these global events coming up, and he must present HIS decoy FIRST. Satan must present World Government as if “God’s Kingdom”, “Zion”, and human Utopia. It is ALL he can do. And THAT is why Christ arrives AFTER the Devil is done with his decoy!

That takes some final years, so you can test this long range forecast as the “7th King” falls first. (Dan11:42-43) It is 1-8, King 1 to King 8, that simple, 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8.

In between, is where we are right now, with “7th King” Anglo-American [[national]] alliance global power drive, to try to “rule the world”. But it is not going to be a nation, national bloc or alliance in partial form that “rules the world”. No, it will be “United” nations, ALL of them (Rev16:13-16; Ps2), as one total globalized whole, that will express that final “8th” Kingdom, or World Government. (King North synonymous)

Just as nations all converge into one, all Bible prophecy symbols of that final World Government, ALSO converge into one!

And now we know, by just using Google, and searching “world government”, or “globalist elites”, or “new world order”, or globalization, that there is a “new” power system, based on globalism, that is greater than the national power of nation-state governments, who are now debt slaves. The nation-state is the “old world order”, they are global King “South”.

And who is the Global Creditor? That “King North” Globalist worldwide system. And they can use that debt meltdown (Dan11:42-43), world war, global terror, and global unrest, to create a global “problem”, to then, eventually, become the global “solution”: World Government. Their trick is now that simple to expose.

And that is what we are seeing in today’s purposely precarious world. It must devolve into controlled chaos (Rev13:3), so the human “solution” can arrive and seem like a great idea, and it will result in global recovery, NOT that “doomsday” psychological scare tactic, that churches, the world, and Bethel uses to paralyze thinking, as long as they can.

The real “peace and security” (1Thess5:1-3), NOT the fake one coming up, but the REAL THING, must come under and from COMPLETE World Government, several years from meltdown starting. (Dan11:42-43) You know, world catastrophe recovered, then WORLD PEACE EVERYONE!!! [3] ALL HAIL THE SOLUTION WORLD GOVERNMENT!!! HIP HIP HOOORAY! It is that simple. (“admiration” Rev13:3; Rev17:8)

Be patient, and keep faith in God and Christ ALONE and composure, because they plan to soon freak the world out, as the first part of that “problem” period, to eventual the “solution”. It is a FORMULA to manipulate human emotions and expectations, to then accept world government. formula. It will pass, and when it does, they will present their final abomination: World Government. (Then Christ arrives, that simple)

In the meantime, everything is meant to distract and deceive, just like Sell Out UN-NGO Bethell, so no one expose the formula and its prophecy.

Sovereign Progression in Seven Bible Chapters


8th King World Government Rise with 7th King Nation State Fall

King 8 Versus King 7—The New World Order to Capture the Old World Order


8th King World Peace—Guaranteed


I think king Jehoiakim was paying heavy taxes to Egypt and after Egypt fell to the Babylonians when it beseiged Jerusalem in 607 bc and Jehoiakim had to pay taxes to Nebuchadnezzar II. Jerusalem was no longer free, imo, and the accual trampling began then. Jerusalem was under siege and I believe that Jehoiakim was giving Nebuchadnezzar II utensil from the temple to pay taxes which means it was under siege in 605 bc. It was not a free state but being occupied by Babylon. There are a lot of ways to look at this and I am like you, I am staying with the 607 bc trampling which could be off a year or two but Rutherford was not imprisoned until 1918 and stayed for only 8 months if I am correct so there is some time space inbetween the symbolic killing of the first “two witnesses” and WWI in 1914. We have to be nimble a bit on this because, imo, timeline fulfillments can overlap. I stick with the 607 bc because 1914 rolled in with WWI and 1918 the first “two witnesses” were symbolically killed. All that happened and “one generation” later the full circle of apostasy lead by the ones satan place in the temple the “man of lawlessness” the freemasons and illuminati partners the GB. The are harlots who commit fornication in God’s Most Holy place the Jesus bought with Hos Blood and it is in His covenant the committed fornication on God’s alters. They have racked up much errors in God’s temple and now Joshua has to carry these errors until God removes the befoilment from off his garments. We will know when God has removed the Churches errors from off Joshua. Babylon in Sodom and king of Egypt has killed God’s witnesses. He redeemed Jesus with the world’s sin on His flesh and God will do the same for the errors of this generation by His servants today.

You have been a good strength in the Truth annd in Jesus. Keep up the good work.

>My thoughts exactly. The king of Egypt (king North) and Babylon the Great (Sodom) completes the seven times which is 2520 which equals seven years so in somewhere in the third year of the kings prophetic time the first and second (last time) “two witnesses” deliver the message to the nations and Bethel which both the is the 1260. Both king North and the “two witnesses” actually complete their time almost at the same time. Rutherford and brothers delivered the first 1260 day message to the nations and to Christendom. God’s Church was lead into apostasy by men satan placed inside God’s temple who is the “man of lawlessness” and satan went ruining the nations. Satan who is king North comes to confront the land of Honor which is God’s and this is where satan and his harlot come to an end. It doesn’t really END for satan and his harlot queen out of Sodom (illuminati) but they are removed from the “Throne” of God of EVERLASTINGNESS to go through God NOT satan and also remove the queen of Sodom out of God’s holy temple here on earth. This all happens before the GT for some time, maybe decades but satan and his queen will be removed from the power of the thrown. This is how I see the second “two witnesses” ending on that note.

It has been staring us in the face the whole time: Babylon and Neb’s “seven times” “it is YOU oh King” is the base-plate. And that 607-605 Dating is the first BENCHMARK, as Cyrus is the MONUMENTAL terminus BENCHMARK, 537 BCE. Seventy Years that are the first “snapshot” of the “SEVEN TIMES” That is the base-plate basic “seven times” framework, that MUST overlay the convoluted intrigues that began upon Josiah, being killed by Egypt, and then Jehoahaz being deposed by Necho II, in violation of the natural flow of Davidic Kings. Both Josiah and Jehoahaz died. Then Necho places Jehoiakim, in unnatural placement, who transitioned into Neb’s domination.

Thus Neb is the marker, that contains the partial to complete “trampling” of the KINGSHIP God has in covenant with David. “Jerusalem” was just a symbol, of that kingly line. The events on the kingly line, is what God tracks first. And to summarize the “seven times” on Babylon AND Jerusalem, concurrent, Neb is the benchmark, whether as crown prince, or King.

Now with the Jews, an event happening in the first day, or the 360th day of a year, counts as that year. Thus at BOTH ends of the timing, we have a potential “two years” fuzzy zone. But we have Cyrus, 537 BCE, so we know something God is tracking occurred in 607 BCE. The “fuzzy fat” zone of Davidic king interference is just “trimmed” to meet the gentile dating markers, which are the base plate to track. Everything else falls into that “seven times” as 70 years first, so the “limit of “seven times” on gentile Babylon as a symbol with the same global sovereign import is also in this prophecy, as not covered by Bethel. But Russell got the “seven times” big 2520 year extension to 1914, so that is in place.

These comprehensive tie ins with Babylon and Jerusalem’s “seven times” as 70 initializing years, just affirms the “sovereign limit” even more so, on BOTH “Gentile” Babylon symbol, and the Davidic King “Jerusalem trampled” symbol. Thus Daniel 4 is more greatly “summarized” as one total whole, still respecting the original theme of the “first witness”, but with added emphasis on “Babylon’s” divine limit, to be expressed in real form, at Armageddon, when the tables turn on who gets the “trampling”: The “Gentiles” system.


And at the same time, everything “jives” with the enormous history from Neb forward. No need to try to invent a new past. And imo Ray Franz was “detecting” these very things, but as per Daniel 11:32-35, God permitted it to be kept untouched, at that time, in the Bethel MOL Files. When it does come forth, of course the sovereign plot is re-affirmed in totally accurate gauging and sovereign players of both “Babylon” gentile and Jerusalem confrontation. But they aren’t going to “trample” Christ, and this world gets “seven times” as 2520 days, 1260 days witnessings, and there isn’t any more.

The big impact comes in that 1260 final days, when conclusive warning is presented, in fullest form, when God does this.

(Ezekiel 30:1-3) And the word of Jehovah continued to occur to me, saying: 2 “Son of man, prophesy, and you must say, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said: “Howl, you people, ‘Alas for the day!’ 3 for a day is near, yes, a day belonging to Jehovah is near. A day of clouds, an appointed time of nations it will prove to be.

(Ezekiel 30:9) In that day messengers will go forth from before me in the ships, in order to drive self-confident Ethiopia into trembling. And severe pains must occur among them in the day of Egypt, for, look! it must come.’

So it will be the context of the “reports that disturb” King North forming to 1260 days guaranteed warning, as King South Egypt comes under Daniel 11:42-43 capture as the global drawn out context the envelopes Daniel 11:44-45, as they go into global government, after that final “seven times” final portion warning is complete.

And you are correct, as “this generation” over-anxious foopah has shown us (2Thess2:1-2), being patient with endurance (Matt24:13), is how the final witness is completed (Matt24:14). It can take years, we just have the temple judgment (Dan8:14) and the final warning (Rev11:2-3) timed for us, as the warning must of course complete BEFORE the things it is warning of manifest.

Much of this stuff is just basic logic. Even the first warning gist “the gentile human rulers have a time limit” “and it is up”, is very very basic. It is those human rulers who want to put it off, and ignore the warning, that is all it boils down to. Like that song goes, “Everybody wants to rule the world”, including the globalists and their national puppets! LOL


TIMES UP! Same message! Like with the forty then twenty years before Jerusalem’s total destruction, it is a fair and kind warning, that’s all. In the process, ANYONE can choose salvation, it is that simple.

And it will be worthy of being a prophecy fulfilling, it will be “of Prophetic Proportions” when it unfolds. It is the TOTAL “Grand finale” for “Heaven’s Sake”! (for real!) Might as well make it of TRULY “Biblical Proportions”. (Hag2:7)

And so we can take it TOTALLY seriously, with God and Christ’s total aid by faith and prayer and getting it done as God guides the final commission. (Rev10-11) By holding on to the “first witness”, God removes all obstacles the MOL is trying to grease up for the final stumbling work, God makes sure the basis of faith in prophecy is stronger than ever! BY REMAINING FAITHFUL TO THE FIRST WITNESS PRIORITY and truths (reserving “virgin” “oil” for final light up), is why God helps us see it ever clearer as we stick at it.

He lets the error mature, so we can all be “refined” by sticking with the immovable truths, regardless what kind of rats and snakes scurried and slithered into the temple “holy place”.


>Yes our target is also very focused on the scattered and battered sheep of Jesus’s. You are correct that the first “two witnesses” in 1918 were correct and the GB apostasy has made it it all look corrupt. The scriptures say that the sheep will know their Masters voice and they will recognize Him so we must have faith all of this will com together during the time of the second and last “two witnesses”.

I realize as this started to unravel, that is the apostasy, and its connections, I was on the Web, but trying to preach the basic truths we have, but in time I was having to defend the org and GB more and more, because the whole focus has shifted from Bible discussion, to GB scandal spins.

And by that kind of “bad reputation” they discredit this end of the ministry, and that affects the other end, its first witness. But I was praying for a while about deeper insight, but I had no idea what it was at the time.

But the “first witness” is the foundation, so it keeps all the fundamentals of the basic “first witness” plot. But in looking into the main targets of discrediting, certain things had to be examined, and when they were, it becomes apparent why they keep certain errors in place. And at the same time, they simply say nothing about post 1990 UN expansion and development.

But most of the GB damage, for the “average listener”, is in their insane HARMFUL policies, that are “beyond the things written”, not really about Bible teachings at all, but lack of the principles of justice and mercy. So that is the worst stuff, because it appeals to anyone with a web browser, because it is basic B–A–D stuff. Any bozo can see, it is LAWLESSNESS. And it then diverges all attention AWAY from the Bible, because bad GB policies are not Biblical, but a desecration of scriptural principles.

And so everyone and his mother now thinks the GB is a joke—which they are—but it reflects on the JW ministry as a big joke too, 110%.

Of course few connect it to a purposeful operation of error. Few see this is APOSTASY. At the same time, many “spiritual detectives” and “doctors” out there over medicate the problem, and end up inventing a new “religion”, basically redefining the faith itself. They cannot tell what to keep, or what to toss, so like “Anointed JW” for example, they just keep redefining things, until everything is uprooted—and the baby has been tossed with the dirty Bethel bathwater.

So we are seeing a very complex, multi-faceted attack on the first witness. It is attacked in basic reproach focused on lawless policies fueling the disgust, “way of the truth spoken of abusively”, just like in 2Peter 2:1-3. Then they keep old errors in place and simply pour more grease on the stumbling blocks already in place, rather than address them, and toss them if need be. Then they conceal the real global developments, as all this controversy and JW coma smokescreens the real story.

Now everyone affected by the Bethel Scandal Mill, is subverted in different means. JWs by an act performed by the GB, JW critics by total loss of credibility. Both because of the same thing: apostasy and impostors. But neither camp can discern this for the most part. Look at Topix, everyone is buying a false explanation, and JW are defending a veneer.

So, no matter where a person peaks in from, or within as a JW, it is a deception. Now that kind of effectiveness is beyond human, hence Zech3:1, and 2Thess2:9 involvement of Satan.

So if we keep the main themes of the first witness, in time everything else will fall into place, because God will also become “involved”. As per Revelation 8:1, heaven is “silent” on this, but not for long! God permits it, but in time He will become directly involved for the recovery to emerge first.

But this is a real prophecy going into fulfillment, so it is not going to be an overnight affair, and it will become enormous. Like watching Bethel smoke in apostasy for years, then erupt into a volcanic fireworks display that goes off the charts, engulfing the whole JW org town at the foot of that “burning mountain” as the real issue splashes down right into the JW “sea” of Revelation 8:7-11.



> Yes Neb is the golden head and the brains and power behind everything which is
> very symbolic for satan’s rulership today where Babylon the Great who is
> satan’s wife who has all the bankers at her beckon call which SHE is the one
> who herds the human race with her son the 8th global king the UN who IS the
> army that protects the king and his queen and their money, power, and agenda.

Yes the basic Bible “stories”, such as Babylon’s 70 year LIMIT under Goldie Neb, AND the LIBERATION of the masses under Babylon, MUST be maintained for the global picture the basic story paints.

Bethel Babel is bypassing the basic plot and “moral of the story”. That is it has a LIMITED duration, “seven times” worth. AND, when BTG goes down, Rev14:1-7 will be active, which salvation call MUST be going forth as BTG is going down. And that salvation call is not human, but post Christ arrival Rev14:6-7, which then results in that sequence in the BTG has fallen announcement of Rev14:8.(Rev17:15-18 sequence completed)

The “moral” of the story, is that just like ancient Babylon, when BTG goes down, many will be freed, a “tenth of the city” will be saved from that evry final downfall. Which is this parallel:

(Revelation 11:13) And in that hour a great earthquake occurred, and a tenth of the city fell; and seven thousand persons were killed by the earthquake, and the rest became frightened and gave glory to the God of heaven.


Thus JWs are missing the whole point of WHY Babylon goes down, not just because it is a divine judgment (Rev18:8), but because some people will remain prisoners of BTG, and be freed into salvation in post Christ arrival salvation mode first, before the total end.

Of course the certainty in prophecy, and the basic plot of ancient Babylon’s downfall, will be made known.

Now like BTG going down to free prisoners, Bethel is going down first to free JWs, similarly enslaved by Bethel, in the same principle, to go down first, to allow the news to go to JWs, in time.

Thus Bethel’s downfall as a daughter of BTG, and a harlot of King North, is a “snapshot” of the greater world judgment that will eventually come as the whole prophecy unfolds to the fullness of BTG also going down, to save many people, some of which will remain trapped inside BTG.

But JWs like that “we win the game you losers!” attitude, so they have a narrow salvation, and little cold hearts, just like Bethel their “mother”, and KN clone “father”. Thus Bethel is using that “we win, you lose” delusion, to close JW hearts to understand many of God’s “my people” will remain stuck in BTG, until it goes down under world government authority.

BIG SALVATION OPPORTUNITY is actually what is coming with Christ. No need to fear them, they are friends. And no need to accuse them of planning to “destroy billions of people” as some claim, as Bethel implies.

The NWO is who plans to kill billions, God is purposing to save from that period needing to be “cut short” or else “no flesh would be saved”, THAT is how bad the NWO will become, in time. Now if all people are subject to the JW delusion they will be destroyed, in reality they are all subject to salvation by choosing Christ and God’s Kingdom, instead of the 666.

Because JWs have failed, and it had been known and foretold, that means the salvation is BROADENING to the scope of Christ making the call, not religious “middle men”, EVERYONE will be assessed by Christ, and he will expend more effort making the purchase, than he did paying the price!

The BIGGER our salvation message is, of course the more mercy we are showing in a general sense, and the more in line it is with the price Christ paid to make this final salvation super-purchase, for all that can be recovered, and brought under his Kingdom power, as no limitations to progress in repentance and learning how to DO IT RIGHT, is present under his Kingdom, not one thing; not food, not shelter, not “health care”, NOTHING will be a limiting factor.

And that is why Christ can make the “I forgive you call”, because he has all power from God, and he will exercise it at that time, 1000%. Not only does he have no limitations, he has the opposite, eternal opportunities at scales of power, miracle and understanding far far far far beyond this world’s imagination. They can do ANYTHING, NOTHING is impossible to them. NOTHING.

They think bigger than big, they think in eternal and infinite dimensions upon dimensions of capabilities. ZERO “limits”, NONE.

And that is why anyone who can be cooperative, WILL BE saved. Even many who ahve not fully heard of Christ, and believe it or not, there are many born everyday!

Gotta think BIG SALVATION. But also the 666 MUST be avoided.



On November 27, 15, Lordylordy9111 wrote:
> I liked your last entry on templelijah. I also believe BTG judgment will be
> paralleling the judgment of KN(10th king)/UN 8th (global) king, and the
> judgment of Bethel which is also paralleling the second “two witnesses” and
> their 1260 days. Both KN (10th king) and BTG will be under judgment for their
> blasphemy againt Jesus. Their judgment” removes them off the throne” that only
> belongs to Jesus. This judgment does not completely eradicate satan (10th king)
> and BTG (illuminati/prostitution) BUT removes them from the “Throne” of
> rulership over mankind. It does eradicate their seed the 8th global king which
> was to protect their worship system and advancements of it. That will be over
> for the two of them permanently. I am at the end of my 1260 days. And world
> events are unraveling for the better of mankind though satan is fighting back
> with bloodshed I see at paris. Prayers are important for everyone. God will
> oust the MOL, KN, and BTG. What a difference that will make?! The anointed then
> will be responsible for making that announcement. They will know.
> Agape

That is an outline, because it is not quite done, but I wanted it to be a “meal” for the future God willing. I really wanted to prove why BTG has to go down last. I have some very lengthy posts on some of those temple articles. But the way I see it, JWs and others, will have time. And they will need a full explanation. So at times, I try to give as full and “registered in prophecy” an explanation as I can. Because if God chooses to preserve some of those testimonies, by the time JWs read it with real interest, the “temple judgment” portion will already be verified, as God ensures Daniel 8:13-14 WILL prove itself from Him and Christ, and the temple judgment, and its intended purpose and timing.

It is timed, because that is how much proof wanderign JWs will require to finally have their eyes opened to the reality of Bethel’s demons.

But true, after God allows the accounting “desolation” for UN NGO “transgression causing desolation” and the apostate and infiltration transgressions that enabled it, King North “in the temple” will meet cleansign angels, and they will follow them “home”, to slow them down to meet God’s timing.

(Isaiah 38:4-8) And the word of Jehovah now occurred to Isaiah, saying: 5 “Go, and you must say to Hezekiah, ‘This is what Jehovah the God of David your forefather has said: “I have heard your prayer. I have seen your tears. Here I am adding onto your days fifteen years; 6 and out of the palm of the king of Assyria I shall deliver you and this city, and I will defend this city. 7 And this is the sign for you from Jehovah that Jehovah will perform this word that he has spoken: 8 Here I am making the shadow of the steps that had gone down on the steps [of the stairs] of Ahaz by the sun retrace backward ten steps.”’” And the sun gradually went back ten steps on the steps [of the stairs] that it had gone down.


So when God spared Hezekiah and Jerusalem, when Assyria met “the angel of Jehovah” on the outskirts of the city walls, he ALSO “healed” Hezekiah. AND he lengthened his life, AND gave him another “sign” (the one with the shadow turned back), in addition to this one sign of three years:

(Isaiah 37:30-32) “‘And this will be the sign for you: There will be an eating this year of the growth from spilled kernels, and in the second year grain that shoots up of itself; but in the third year sow seed, you people, and reap, and plant vineyards and eat their fruitage. 31 And those who escape of the house of Judah, those who are left remaining, will certainly take root downward and produce fruitage upward. 32 For out of Jerusalem a remnant will go forth and those who escape out of Mount Zion. The very zeal of Jehovah of armies will do this.

Now Hezekiah got two signs there. BUT the one were the shadow of the sun is turned back “TEN steps”, is because the King North “Assyrian” will also be “turned back”, not just from the temple cleansing operation of the “angel of Jehovah” (Isa31:8-9; Isa66:6), but also in global NWO acceleration slowed down. They MUST meet God’s timetable, not Him meeting their NWO schedule.

So when the Daniel 8:13-14 “the evening” (Dan8:26) phase passes in judgment, as “the morning” phase of recovery and “light” emerges from the temple judgment as the recovery phase of it, King North global will have some very WEIRD things start to befal their “house”, not to destroy them yet, but to DELAY THEM, so as to meet God’s final warning 1260 days period, whenever it is GOD brings it in, they will be on HIS “conveyor belt” to Armageddon. NOT “the other way around”!

They also will NOT be staying “in the tmple”, when that angel of Jehovah passes through! It is purification, by also their expulsion, backed by the Revelation 9 “Destroyer” and his angelic aids, in covert and stealth mode of global ops. (Hos1:4-7)



[QUOTE who=”CIA Free”]<quoted text>
Do you ever bother giving thought to the words you’re reading in the Bible? I mean do you really think about what the words mean whenever you read it?
There are keywords and details in that prophecy that definitely fix the time for when that prophecy is to be fulfilled. Keywords like daily sacrifice, holy covenant and the temple. Now we know that these things are not in existence today. But they did exist prior to 70 AD in the land of Judea. So this prophecy can only be about that time alone.
Your interpretation of that prophecy will never work in a million years because it’s simply leaves out and overlooks those essential time statements. Why? Because you do not know what to do with them so you conveniently leave them out.[/QUOTE]

The symbols remain as explained by JWs for about 100 years. Those anointed Christian “temple” and “constant feature” are what you chose to ignore for modern day application.

Daniel 8:13-14 will prove itself upon apostate UN-Bethell. It comes with the global downturn everyone and his mother and her mother and father are forecasting. You will know when the world is in the spiral of that downturn. It is not “the end”, it has been a global corporate and financial transformation in progress since 1990, merely completing for a global “new world financial solution”: administered by world government with the guns to back it.

The required “7th” “King” downfall will be an undeniable set of events over several years of Daniel 11:42-43. Everyone and his mother will know the US nation-state has fallen, to allow the rise for world government “8th” “King”.

Bethel will be invaded in corporate takeover attempt as Daniel 11:41.

You will in time clearly know when those things are in full blown action, as will many other people. It is a signal (Ha2:7) of the final global cycle and it will be “EPIC”.

Overall the forecast is solid in prophecy, and its geo-political globalization counterparts all converging on the global scene at the same time, for several more years prior to full blown world government, and all it entails.

It is “predictable” because:

1. Prophecy has the globalization completion forecast to world government.

2. The globalists have been using the same formula since 1914-1919 and WW1, to run, then resolve, for a UN related presentation and peace pitch as steps to world government; four of them; UN 1-2-3-4—this will be number 4.

3. Global researchers have fully revealed the “problem” “reaction” “solution” formula they are using, it is called the ‘Hegellian Dialectic’, and it works on the mass global mind very well.

A key to cover up is social subversion and especially the Bethel version of JW subversion by the same kind of internal infiltration principle that also compromised the US and EU national governments.

It is all the same tamale, and it is all the same recipe.

All this forecast is doing is taking what Alex Jones and 10,000 other global researchers are saying, and fitting into the prophecy that also has the final cycle outline, and its main shadow world government technocracy, financial and military drivers.

The Bible summarizes it all in very little words, but it hits the dynamics that produce world government by design and global formula.

Complete and stated World Government triggers the Christ arrival. Very simple.


[QUOTE who=”wilg”]<quoted text>
the covenant that the christ nailed to the stake is the covenant made with israel coming out of egypt, not the one with abraham for his seed to receive a kingdom… thats why the apostasy referred to has to do with that covenant, they apostasize against that covenant of the land…
gog sets foot on the soil of israel, the king of the north places his tents in the land of israel… the earth is jehovahs footstool but specifically in israel… that is why the one causing desolation stands in a holy place… not just in a spiritual sense, but literally… read through all the prophecies, the nations are gathered against literal israel… [/QUOTE]

Israel is a King North prop. Because they expect millions of Christians to expect everything you just stated, as programmed by Christendom’s King North controlled pundits, they will provide those targets with EVERYTHING they have been programmed to expect.

Except the “solution” that they will sell as Israel’s “chosen people” and “Zion” and “Gods Kingdom has come!”, will be to highlight “scarlet wild beast” 666 World Government, as the final decoy, with the rest of those decoys. That is the only catch in what you are expecting to see.

Unfortunately many naive Christians will walk right into that trap. The die-hards will just keep taking whatever spin the false-prophets of the NWO Christendom will keep respinning for them to be led to 666 World Government, one step at a time, by use of that very “Israel” carrot you are tracking.

Israel will remain “unstable” UNTIL the time comes to “restore Israel”, as all the duped Christendom sheep they can pull in, will eat the fake “Israel is real!!!” bait, hook, line and sinker so to speak. But the purpose is for these people to accept their 666, and tout world government as “Zion savior of the world!”, all hail the fake Jews of Revelation 2:9, 3:9!!!!

Celebrate “God’s Kingdom” with us everyone!!! It wasn’t doomsday after all! (Rev13:3) We all love each other all of a sudden, and we all love world government our Heaven sent global savior everyone!!!!

Of course that whole jalopy is then tossed in the “lake of fire”, so this final deception must complete the Christendom error purpose first. It has to run its full deceptive course at global scale. You are now seeing advanced religious based mind control at its finest. Many people will simply refuse to consider the basic warnings of the real situation, they will want everything to be “all good, and all better, and just right!”; and world government will deliver them just that.

Then the real end will come, under UN World Government final “World Peace” active. (Matt24:6; 1Thess5:1-3) Israel is King North’s World Government Fake-“Zion” “Crown Jewel”.

The Great White Buffalo is a day closer to his stampede on the “Great Father in Washington’s” face and broken treaty treacheries.

Two-Faced America will have to be thrown under the NWO Bus, as a 7th King downfall sign. (Hag2:7) The signs on the trail to Little Big Horn are readable, it is the same interpretation Sitting Bull gave, that made the Crows fly south in their hearts, but they went to the end of the road with Yellow Hair, he wouldn’t listen, and neither will the Great Father of Washington.

Waking up from the “American Dream”, and its lethargy of lies, will be an EPIC global wake up call. Its a day closer.


Will the antichrist be obvious when he arrives?

No. “He” has already arrived and no one seems to notice. That kind of blindness will persist.

If you are looking for a person, a human, you will never “see” him, because it is an apostate group of sell out anointed who define the real “anti-Christ”. World Government is in essence “anti-Christ”, but they are not apostates, they merely serve their father Satan.

So Christendom and Bethel are your real “anti-Christ”, both used to be in a covenant as far as some individuals in their midst, that allowed them both to make their collective “we are anointed Christians headquarters everyone!” claims, but both sold out to the UN Wildbeast.

Riding the wildbeast is what the real “anti-Christ” does as well. It is just a portion of the Babylon the Great complex though.

So “Anti-Christ”, for there are many, is already here. Bethel merely needs to be tossed into the darkness outside, to be made official as “anti-Christ”, one of many, to complete the recipe, when God and Christ down them, huck them, and expose them, with ZERO “damage control” mouths at Bethel, because it will be sacked as Daniel 8:13-14.

If your looking for a grand “Anti-Christ” entry, it will be world government, not the Hollywood event you are expecting, et in a way it will be quite an event. The stars of the Anti-Christ Show, Satan and the demons will then arrive like “Christ and his angels”, and many people will fall down and worship Satan the Ultimate Anti-Christ, as King of World Government and Israel, thinking it is Christ—that is where this duping leads many duped folks, to worship Anti-Christ thinking that superhuman is Christ, and never figuring it out in the process, totally deceived by Satan.

Before they go down under world government outlawing, Christendom will be the global play stage that Satan “Christ” will arrive on, to drag the church to the judgment, by its own already Anti-Christ, wildbeast riding, UN touting, accord. They like the ear ticklings of Christendom, just like JWs like the back scratching of Bethel and their GB Anti-Christs.

That’s how there are many “anti-Christs”, in the collective “Anti-Christ”.

So the “Christ” they will get in the already cast out Apostate Christendom house, will be Satan in all his pre-abyss, saved up, glory, for that final global deception phase. JWs will be jolted to awake first (1Pet4:17), as Bethel goes down, and some will be revived for the final accurate warning. (Dan8:13-14 parallel Matt25:1-13) But apostate Bethel will go down, and when it does, all will clearly see that implosion from God, by use of world powers, first. (Dan11:41 context of Daniel 8:13-14 “trampling” of Apostate and Anti-Christ Bethel)

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