October 2015

[QUOTE who=”red blood relative”]<quoted text>

no kidding?……… you are telling me i’m obsessed with bethel, while you post 12 pages of jw nonsense on every thread on this site trying to be their new leader?


First off the obsession is different. You just want to criticize the whole thing, I say it devolved after 1944 under the progressive Babel style “governing body” concept as head of the “theocracy restored” as if an organization under a sovereign Governing Body Kingship can be a theocracy.

It is a GBeocracy and it has JWs opposing the very sovereign issue of God’s Sovereignty, by installing a Sovereignty of Sinners, to uphold the Sovereignty of the Governing Body authority and “righteousness” in their Quasi-Spiritual Paradise.

So now, the JW ministry is a ministry about Defending the Good News About the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Like Christendom, the “governing body” concept is exactly how JWs have been led into apostasy, just like their old Christendom UN Prostitute Sister.

So one cannot expose Jehovah’s Witnesses Apostate System, without seeing all of Christendom is merely what they have UN NGO joined.

Now Jehovah’s witnesses exposed the root of World Government in the League of Nations capping first global cycle, WW1, a unique and actually astounding global statement and organization. It had a “placement” of the “disgusting thing” in 1919 (Dan12:11; Rev13:11-15), and a notable League failure in mission only, in 1939-1945 to re-emerge as the United Nations, an obvious “ascension” from WW2 it could not prevent.

Now the UN IS THE BIGGEST ORGANIZATIONAL NETWORK IN THE WORLD! And that is aided by the UN NGO system, and the supporting corporate complex that supports them is also involved as either UN NGO, sanctioned UN connected entity like the OSCE, or a direct technocratic UN Council like the Council on Foreign Relation and Chatham House British counterpart.

And Bethel HAS NOTHING to say as to what the UN NGO System really is! All mum on the THIRD UN event in 1990! And then a UN NGO PARTNER! Astounding apostasy in broad daylight!

And above that UN NGO and corporate accessible new layer of the UN Pyramid installed in 1990, it can cascade down further in time for all the peoples soon to also “join the UN” (world government), the UN is also a system of International Partnership of whole nations for World Government, and with it is a Globalized Military and Financial Corporate Matrix, as well as Russia and China actually in on this process also from the top.

The UN is the HUGEST single organizational complex of all human history! EVERYTHING on planet earth, comes under the corporate “Super Corporation” that also supports its World Government system role in ownership by debt and monetary and investment control.

There is nothing “made up” about the UN, it IS what ti IS: the Global “Image” and Nucleus of World Government on the way.

So even if the UN cannot prevent a final world war cycle with the Russian BRICS potential bloc of nations, they are the next. They are too big, too rich, and too powerful in the global entities that support their coming Global Sovereignty. The merely go into an “abyss” of inability to prevent a final “sword stroke” their architects engineer at global scale, and “ascend” next as World Government. And world government triggers the Christ arrival.

It does not matter whether you believe it, now you know what will happen, it is what it is, it is a fourth cycle, UN1-2-3-4in global development and prophecy.

There is no “leader” as a human. God and Christ are the lead.


1. Bethel starts a “TV Station” of the Governing Body Show to ADVERTISE, ADVERTISE, ADVERTISE to JWs, with a whole new globalist corporate branding campaign of a JW Commercial, for JWs.

2. Then they come out and imply “operating costs” are exceeding you donations brothers and sisters!

3. Now it looks like JWs have not stepped to the plate and “given enough”.

So inspite of a record year in commercial aided JW compelled “giving”, they are now playing it for all its worth to CONTINUE TO STEAL from JWs. (Eze7:22)

Bethel is NOT broke, but they can appear as such. It can be EASILY assessed from the size of the corporation globally, and its “zealous” slave labor, to just what degree Bethel PHYSICAL ASSETS have been produced as they easily turn 1 JW dollar into 2, by all that slave labor and ability to “add value” to a chunk of dirt, or a Luxury Hotel.

We are EASILY in the 4 BILLION dollar range of WEALTH.

Add 500 million to a BILLION in JW yearly donations.

Then add the expertise of the non-physical investment plan of the WTBTS, with 60 years of this astounding windfall of waves upon waves of JW money POURING in since 1950.

EASILY Bethel may have luandered TEN BILLION in JW funds, EASILY, and invested it with the help of Pro Globalist Finance, such as their relationship with JP Morgan banking. What BIG BANK is running the British BILLIONS? What BIG BANK is running the European BILLIONS?

Are we getting the REAL PICTURE here? TWENTY BILLION, since 1950, easy money in also non-physical and well loopholed skimming, investment nest egg which compounds as aided by the pros, and investment in dubious globalist corporations.

What does the US JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs, and other European investment bankers re-invest the JW BILLIONS into? Think they run it by JWs? No, JWs are invested in every imagineable banking scam and operations of war and darkness that one could imagine, once JP Morgan, and Goldman gets a hold of their BILLIONS!

They are NOT broke, but now they can play any JW ruse they want to, while milking the JW teat for every last drop BEFORE they go. They can orchestrate any bankruptcy at Bethel, or litigation or prosecution they want, and sell it to JWs and the people AS IF they have “fallen on hard times”.

When in reality there is no religious investment group as lucrative as JWs, they are like a Super Microsoft, at their own scale, because they have no taxes, free JW slaves, expert guidance, and a global investment field of Bethel big dollar technocrats, and can EASILY have competed since 1950 with the Mormon Church’s 30 BILLION net worth—EASILY!


The Mormons do not have an army of engineers, lawyers, architects, labor and everything else like Bethel has utilized for this CASH COW OF ALL TIME, per capita, for its own scale. Only the Dark Ages Catholic system, and after for a while, has had such an army of slaves as Bethel; for that reason they are unique and uniquely lucrative given the zeal for JW donations and slavery to “the Kingdom” of the Bethel Globalists, managed by an infiltration within, and expert bankers without, who plan to rob JWs blind in one HUGE HAUL, as they have been skimming the joint for years.

If they were not doing so, Bethel could post 10 BILLION in liquid assets no problem, so any machinations trying to say that, ARE LIES, meant to compel JWs to give more, before the globalists exit the joint.

That JW Religious “Return on Investment”, though of actually minor scale when compared to the Catholic’s own “Sovereign Entity” scale, has been as lucrative as any cell of Catholic ROI from its heyday, merely represented in the smaller JW wealth generating microcosm, which is ASTOUNDING in the cash they have generated for the Globalist Banking and Investment System.

THAT is what is going on: Cave of Robbers. Plain and simple. Bloodmoney. (Zech11)


[QUOTE who=”the Mad JW”]<quoted text>
It IS very tragic; they are dumbing ‘us’ down.
Maybe someday to churchoid level.
But the Truth stands on its own- WT or NO WT.
They have made it known![/QUOTE]

No, they will not get to churchoid level. Weird things will happen to Bethel to shut up the GB, by removal.

The GB is WHY JWs are being dumbed down, the are the “voice of a stranger”, and once they and their pals are gone, the truth must come out IN FULL.

Jehovah’s witnesses have taken Bible truth, aided by God, to the next level, but there is one more to go to expose the meaning of a complete world government coming in all this distraction.

The GB is the dam trying to hold back the tidal wave of truth coming, which will blow them over, and wash THEM away, they are LIARS foretold. (Rev2:2)

(Isaiah 28:18-19) And your covenant with Death will certainly be dissolved, and that vision of yours with Sheol will not stand. The overflowing flash flood, when it passes through—you must also become for it a trampling place. (Dan8:13)

19 As often as it passes through, it will take you men away, because morning by morning it will pass through, during the day and during the night; and it must become nothing but a reason for quaking TO MAKE OTHERS UNDERSTAND what has been heard.” (Dan11:41; Dan8:13-14)

The GB’s days are numbered, they are a Babel entity of control.

The Governing Body Experiment—1944 to Present

1944 Governing Body Birthday—1914-1976 WTBTS Board of Directors Coup Finally Realized

1944: The Governing Body, UN Allied Apostate Leaders of the Implied “Wrong Condition” of Daniel 8:14

“Strange Days” will track Bethel down.
[QUOTE who=”jace”]
“World Government is coming regardless, and it will trigger the Christ arrival, to wrap it all up.”
Is the above your OPINON ?

Now with World Government, Google and YouTube have more to say about it than me, and most of it is not if world government will come, but how and when. (We know why, take a look at the US government of negligence)

Of course powerfully rich and wealthy global groups of men, will aspire to world rulership. It is a no brainer, imo. I mean remember Shaggy and Scooby, “those meddling kids”, always hunting down a nut who “wants to rule the world!”

Because THAT is what it is all about! ALL OF IT!!!

One thing, ALWAYS leads to another, just a matter of time and one last preparatory “global crisis”:

Joan Veon—When Central Banks Rule the World

Catherine Austin Fitts Parallel Global Finance System

Catherine Austin Fitts: The Private Hostile Takeover Of The World Economy

Now Catherine Austin Fitts opinion on “Mr. Global” are from one who is qualified to give the run down she gives, she is not some “conspiracy theorist”, but a financial expert, with real White House administrative involvement under the George Bush Sr, tenure, in HUD.

She is not just winging wild opinions, she has the facts and rationale to found her theses.

I think it is clear in the other 1000 World Government researchers out there internationally, World Government is the UN and elite system goal, from day one, 1919 League of Nations, and even before that time.


To get a picture of how they bring in the world government “solution” on a big global crisis “problem”, just actually do the research into the matter; it is easily available for now on You Tube and Google aided searches.



There is only 310 MILLION pages returned on the subject.


And 50 MILLION videos! LOL

Think they are all “wacko conspiracy theorists”? LOL

Nope. Globalists, politicians, academics, and experts in their fields are also there.

It’s coming.


[QUOTE who=”Elijahovah”] Tectonics prove it takes 150 days not 40. BUT the point is their tribulation, the bad peaopl of a bad world was all over with.[/QUOTE]

Plate Tectonics is a THEORY. There is also Surge Tectonics Theory.

Surge Tectonics: A New Hypothesis of Global Geodynamics

As you know Einstein’s Relativity and Quantum Theories do not jive as they should, meaning one or both has fundamental errors with great implications:

Fingerprints of God – The Dark Universe – Full HD Documentaries – New Science Documentary Films 2015

So the human world of “understanding” is itself “ending” by its own hand, as others now examine the flaws in parts of Einstein’s theorizations. It was good enough for the coarse understanding men have on Earth, to enable massive weapons, but it is not good enough to explain REALITY.

And thus anything fully based on human scientific assumptions, will also have errors. That fruit of the tree is why man will get no true understanding until AFTER Christ arrives, as far as the “physical” world REALITY.

Until then, the Bible is the only God perfection delivered to man. It is men whose errors detract from the Universal Perfection that the Bible is. It was delivered by God by angels, in perfect order, as it will all come out prophetically BEFORE Christ arrives.

NOAH: the TRUTH is BIGGER than you thought……the JourNey BeGins



Then make make 10 hours and watch these too.

Nephilim: TRUE STORY of Satan, Fallen Angels, Giants, Aliens, Hybrids, Elongated Skulls & Nephilim
In generic non preachy manner Trey makes many believe in God, by the bare essence of the scientific information in those videos. In REALITY all science points to God is all manners of the true complexity of physical creation, and we only see a fragment of it.

He boils it down to the fantastic nature of these subjects, and boils it down to non-religious basics of God and Christ reality, in a non-preaching manner, merely accepting those two basic truths of GOD and His CHRIST.

Theory of Everything: GOD, Devils, Dimensions, Dragons, Illusion & Reality -the Theory of Everything


Evolution: Modern Myth (100 WAYS to KILL DARWIN’S EVOLUTION)



[QUOTE who=”red blood relative”]ummmm, mr bethel dudie, can you please post your whole book again 12 times on every thread on this site?………. maybe you can gain a following of left over jws who still believe in rutherford like you.
he was such a nice guy……….. of course, he had just a slight problem pretending to be appointed by god to be the TWO PROPHETS of rev 11…………. oh well……….. god likes that sort of stuff, right?
what are you going to do when the real TWO PROPHETS show up, mr bethelerizer?
are you going to try to murder them?[/QUOTE]

I’m not interested in a “following”. I am interested in the full truth of prophecy.

In time every accepatbel and repentant Jehovah’s witness on earth will carry the same message, and I mean the FULL MISSION of BEING Jehovah’s witness, not a mere religious label.

It is simply the truth of the whole OUTLINE of prophecy to come in TWO witnessings,

1. 1914-1919 and

2. the future.

1260 days each= 2520 DAYS as also “seven times” divine requirement. Hence, Revelation 8-11 WILL repeat in final form.

Bethel has gone apostate to mislead JWs into riding the UN wildbeast, that apostasy will soon fall. (Timed, so Daniel 8:13-14 will PROVE itself in the temple judgment coming on JWs first. 1Pet4:17; Mal3″1-5; Zech3:1-5; Rev8:3-5)


Jehovah’s witnesses ALREADY UNDERSTAND the final cycle—it is ALL in the first cycle! Go figure!

They just do not know they understand it, because of the UN Allied UN NGO GB misleading them—but NOT for long.

Why TWO Witnesses?

Click to access why_two_witnesses_revelation11.pdf

Repeating Cycles: The Whole Prophecy Repeats Starting With The Temple Judgment Portion

[QUOTE who=”AlanMF”]I’m not bothering to comment on all that silly Aristotelian, new-agey nonsense.

SCIENCE, not Tea Leaf Readers. Science is what reveals some astounding possibilities of God in the so-called physical universe.

Black Hole Information Theory is going beyond Einstein, wherein, all “Reality”, is passed “by reference” to information held elsewhere. You know, with the Original God, beyond “origin-al”. God has no origin and thus is not “original”, He simply IS EVERYTHING’s “energy”! (And more, the “stuff” that is not a “thing”.)

In essence God has all the “information” of reality known and unknown to men.

Christ has much of this now.

Angels are a “database” as well, as in the whole network.

The universal matrix “background” contains a “copy”, as does the Milky Way, and even planet Earth itself. It is ALL recorded.

All data is known by God, thus the symbolic “copies” are as good as the “original” whose base source is God, who knows everything to the infinitesimal detail, as well as to all infinities of infinite infinities of eternal eternity. (In both directions, which is actually multi-dimensional eternal frameworks where the “reference” is also present, to levels of minute detail, also eternal in nature.

It is merely SCIENCE revealing a speck of God. IMAGINE the REAL REALITY of God “Time”.

The Milky Way center, is 4000 times more solar massive than the Sun (If I recall the number). WHAT is it made of? It all fits into a pinpoint center of ascending mass, as some theorize, not understood at this time to say the least. As one gets to that core, the star density is 1,600 stars per cubic light year, and on to the core.

All the stars including the Sun, in the Milky Way, are all drawn to this immense core mass, to use a word we know NOTHING about, as science is now at “the end” of its own world, as revealed by its own so-called “math”. It has know errors, which cannot be figured out.

2008 Shaw Prize in Astronomy

“In 1969, Donald Lynden-Bell and Martin Rees suggested that the Milky Way might contain a supermassive black hole at its center, but evidence was lacking because the galactic core is obscured by interstellar dust and could only be detected as a relatively faint radio source.

Genzel was a post-doctoral fellow at UC Berkeley working with Townes when they first presented observations hinting that the center of our galaxy harbored a massive black hole. The evidence was weak, however, and Genzel worked steadfastly over the ensuing decades to prove his case.

“He now has a remarkable technique in which he can measure very accurately and determine quite precisely the mass and behavior of stars circulating around the galactic center,” Townes said. Genzel and his collaborators developed this technique to use with telescopes of the European Sothern Observatory, and for many years, Genzel’s team carried out a program of observing the galactic center and its surrounding stars.”

The subsequent implications are beyond enormous.

Fingerprints of God – The Dark Universe – Full HD Documentaries – New Science Documentary Films 2015

1. The GB Gentiles Have Had Their Day!!!

Now at one time JWs used to uphold the “issue of God’s sovereignty”, that is God calling all the shots for humans to obey as HIS right ALONE. Humans are not bound to the command of another human being, plain and simple, that all came after Eden, as Satan became Eve’s sovereign commander, and Eve became Adam’s sovereign, and all man was in the hand of other men’s commands from then on!

Sound familiar there Bethel?

But now the Governing Body Sovereignty is what Jehovah’s witnesses now obey, and uphold, as they defend the Apostate Bethel Crown Kings! (Hos1:4-7)

(Hosea 8:1-4) “To your mouth—a horn! [One comes] like an eagle against the house of Jehovah, for the reason that they have overstepped my covenant, and against my law they have transgressed. 2 To me they keep crying, ‘O my God, we, Israel, have known you.’ 3 “Israel has cast off good. Let one who is an enemy pursue him. 4 They themselves have set up kings, but not because of me. They have set up princes, but I did not know [it].

The UN NGO sell out GB enforce their views with an Iron Fist as JWs are also commanded to obey them, OR ELSE, as they play God to JWs.

Now the very ones claiming to be a “right condition” “Theocracy” are the very devils issue all JW commands as if Gods (2Thess2:3-4),  “seated” in the “Temple of the God” last known anointed Christian ministry!

(2 Thessalonians 2:3-4) Let no one seduce you in any manner, because it will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction. 4 He is set in opposition and lifts himself up over everyone who is called “god” or an object of reverence, so that he sits down in the temple of The God, publicly showing himself to be a god.

That is Bethel’s GB “sovereignty” is now God to Jehovah’s witnesses.

2. Now as Charles Russell stated a prophetic gauged truth 101 years ago in October 2nd 1914:

“The Gentile Times have ended; their kings have had their day”!

3. So now the almost SEVENTY YEARS (70 years) of overall “governing body” mythology since 1944 [1] (a “seven times” of sheer Bethel progressive spiritual trampling, to the point of even joining the United Nations of Global Organizations. (Dan11:32a)); and FORTY YEARS (40 years) of a Governing Body Total Dictatorship since 1976, thereby FULLY “set in opposition” to God’s sovereignty, in total disrespect of the primary issue Jehovah’s witnesses think they still proclaim.

JWs have been wandering 40 years in a Wilderness, led not by a “Moses” approved vessel, but an Illegal GB “Korah” usurpation of God’s Sovereignty, very “gradually given over” (Dan8:12) to an apostasy such as this.

Think God is going take this much longer? Nope. (Dan8:13-14)

It can now be said:

“The GB Gentile Times have ended; the Bethel kings have had their day”!

Soon the Governing Body will be deposed by God, and exposed fully thereafter. (Dan8:13-14; Zech3:1-5; Mal3:1-5; Rev8:3-5; 1Pet4:17; Dan11:41)



1944 Governing Body Birthday—1914-1976 WTBTS Board of Directors Coup Finally Realized

1944: The Governing Body, UN Allied Apostate Leaders of the Implied “Wrong Condition” of Daniel 8:14

The Governing Body Experiment—1944 to Present


Recall, this is just ONE trust setup to fund the WTBTS. How the loop goes the other way, to invest JW money in these kinds globalist corporations, is unknown, but it can be safely assumed, it is well more than this little sampling:

Company or fund, NYSE ticker symbol, shares

vb’ABTEC CORP N1H13 90
LOWES CCS INC 5% 10/ 15/2015 50
MERCK & CO INC 100000
TARGET CORP 5 875% 07/15/2016 50

Because the pdf is a scan, some characters are incorrect.


But I think we can assume, whether getting funds from the market, or JW money going into the market, behind the scenes, the intent is to get the WTBTS squarely involved with the corporate sector of the wildbeast, to get funds from that sector, and to direct JW funds to that sector, as all these corps shell in time into world government corporate basis which is immense:

Global Super Corporation

So WTBTS is squarely webbed into “the world” and some of its worst and most bloodsoaked corporate monsters as far as military, financial and societal predation which some of the above companies are DIRECTLY involved in producing on a regularly basis.

Now if we could look at the whole WTBTS labyrinth of THOUSANDS of similar funds, and daisy chained money laundering and skimming channels of investment going into the corporations run by those WTBTS “shadow boards” revealed from 2000 forward by Bethel, we get the real picture.

Its a skim and trip into communal guilt for JWs. (Dan11:32a)


Archaeologists. I worked with a few, they are Detectives who arrive at Crime Scenes hundreds and thousands of years too late.

But they spin a tale in far greater detail than a modern “True Detective” forensics show or a whole 4 hour movie about a distant civilization and all its complex characters and all its cultural motifs and idiosyncracies as if they were there from day one!

They are GREAT STORYTELLERS, I can tell you that from first and second hand experience. Highly reliable Master Magicians of the Total Guess.

Then one tale, is the basis of the next tale, as backward compatibility is no longer an issue, because the first guy to take a guess ALWAYS get’s it right.

For he is an Archaeologist, a seer into past civilizations down to the very hours in their daily itinerary, like reading a day planner of Pharoahs long gone and all their servants and concubines psychological profiles, in exact detail, with the very year, month and day of every social activity, every concern, every drama, every thought, all spoken from all these shards, fragments and ashes as if in one whole; perfectly reconstructed in The Archaeologists Mind to the very color of the walls and pots with the complete blueprint of the whole civilization and its totally accurate chronology.

AMAZING GUYS AND GALS!!! Very reliable! You can set an atomic clock on these guys forecasts in reverse!

[QUOTE who=”JMulvihill”]<quoted text>
I would love to talk about that…but this is the “What JW’s won’t talk about”, so we’ll have to move on.
Why was Judge Rutherford, the JW Grand Pooh-bah, having a keg party?
Why do the JW’s keep adding to the Annointed GB, when they’ve known that the 144,000 were all filled since 1935?
“Logically, the calling of the little flock would draw to a close when the number was nearing completion, and the evidence is that the general gathering of these specially blessed ones ended in 1935.” Watchtower 1995 Feb 15 p.19
Hmm…I think we are back on track.[/QUOTE]

Rutherford held down the fort as long as he was able.

All the anti-JFR talk is to bypass what he did quell as long as he could—a board of directors attempted takeover in 1917.

1944 Governing Body Birthday—1914-1976 WTBTS Board of Directors Coup Finally Realized

And he held the Bethel rats and snakes at bay as long as he could.

After them board coup attempts, you would have been drivin’ to drink your self.

But the fact is Rutherford was one of the most realistic Jehovah’s witnesses to ever walk God’s green earth. You can have a drink, it won’t kill ya.

And he kept the ministry on track, he made sure the first two UN events as prophecy were globally noted in the JW ministry. After 1944, is when the ship was slowly lost to no UN exposure in 1990, except the Bethel UN NGO, the GB snake-pit “board” has done its job well. (Dan11:32a)


A toast to JF, our 100 Proof Christian Brother, Old Grand Dad!





Good connections FutureMan, believe it or not many people are blind to the scale of Interlocked Corporate Power in the world today—and of course religions that are now well in that Corporate Spider Web of global banking and finance.

World Government must be based on Corporate Ultimate Sovereignty into which the US and EU Governments and the others must shell under, as debt owned puppets. (Dan11:42-43 future finale);

1. Yes the super corporate complex must be being guided by an “unseen hand” at global scale, that is a “Super Corporation” of which the actual global structure of it was recently released in scientific computer aided evidence by the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in Zurich which found and documented “relationships between 43,000 transnational corporations has identified a relatively small group of companies, mainly banks, with disproportionate power over the global economy.”

Revealed – the capitalist network that runs the world

A. Now if those are mostly banks at this scale of global financial control:

Derivatives: The Unregulated Global Casino for Banks

2. And the WTBTS (and all corporate Christianity) is corporately circuited into those banks at global scale of easily 10 billion in hard assets, investment assets and decades of JW donations and recent liquidations, as revealed here in its JP Morgan and Chase Bank relationship, to name but one:

Jehovah’s Witnesses Exposed! Jordan Maxwell Talks WTBTS Corporate Banking


Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania owns over 7% of J.P. Morgan Chase Liquid Assets Money Market Fund.



3. Then in the “daisy chain” of the “capitalist network that runs the world”, cascading under those 43,000 networked corporations, the WTBTS pantheon of corporations:

List of Watch Tower (Watchtower) Corporate Entities

Is OWNED and interlinked with the corporate sector of the Global Scarlet Wildbeast System, which is the finale development of the Classic Wildbeast System of Revelation 13. But then again so is all of harlot Christendom, it is one big global coup on Christianity aided by the “love of money” and power.

4. And this is why Bethel conceals final World Government development [1], joined it as Wildbeast Organizational Network Tier United Nations of Non-Governmental Organizations (UN NGO), and prepares JWs for the “New World Order” in the “smooth word” (Dan11:32a) manner, specialized for the JW sector, in which all of Corporate Christianity has now been subverted, including the latest “pea” in that “pod”, the Jehovah’s Witnesses Organization.

A. All of Corporate Christianity now serves the 666 preparatory development for the final cycle when Daniel 11:40-43 will climax into Super-Corporate based World Government of Daniel 11:44-45 and Daniel 12:11 parallel FINAL “place the disgusting thing that causes desolation”.

5. This is as the final cycle “causes desolation” “problem” they engineer is produced FIRST (Rev13:3; Rev17:8-13), to offer their global “solution” AFTER the global-desolation cycle (Dan12:1 “time of distress”, “tribulation of those days” future parallel) has run, and starts “healing” into World Government in the future.


6. Which “problem” recovery into the “solution” will inspire great global hope and admiration of the Wildbeast World Government in the future:

(Revelation 13:3) . . .And I saw one of its heads as though slaughtered to death, but its death-stroke got healed, and all the earth followed the wild beast with admiration.

A. Parallel final world government “ascension” with that “healing”:

(Revelation 17:8-13) The wild beast that you saw was, but is not, and yet is about to ascend out of the abyss, and it is to go off into destruction. And when they see how the wild beast was, but is not, and yet will be present, those who dwell on the earth will wonder admiringly, but their names have not been written upon the scroll of life from the founding of the world. 9 “Here is where the intelligence that has wisdom comes in: The seven heads mean seven mountains, where the woman sits on top. 10 And there are seven kings: five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet arrived, but when he does arrive he must remain a short while. 11 And the wild beast that was but is not, it is also itself an eighth [king], but springs from the seven, and it goes off into destruction.

12 “And the ten horns that you saw mean ten kings, who have not yet received a kingdom, but they do receive authority as kings one hour with the wild beast (world government).

13 These have one thought, and so they give their power and authority to the wild beast.

7. Thus globalization has a corporate sector, used to undermine religions globally, and run the financial arms of itself and the global military and elite organizational networks of real World Government on the way.

But world government coming on the global scene in the future, is like a map to Christ arrival at the same time, for those who are realizing all this.

World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3; Dan12:11), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.





[QUOTE who=”jace”]<quoted text>
Ok. I see what your problem is
You don’t know the difference between what is considered a fact and merely an opinion
For that reason you made the following. Statement
Your view is based on the premise that a human can’t state something that is I. Reality a fact
I disagree with your premise that as a human nothing you say is a fact
If you tell me that you are married with 2 kids
And I meet them why them would your statement not be a fact
You are making up your own definitions to words
That is what the watchtower writers do as well

Two things Jace.

1. Opinions can be the truth. Opinions can also be false.

2. Facts can be false; Facts can be true.

And that is why humans are not omnipotent in the least, we cannot know many things we think we can know.



“what is considered a fact”

In 1500 there were “facts” many considered to be the truth.

In 1800 many of those “facts” were proven false.

In 2000, 1800 is a backward era, few of its “facts” that formulated that “many considered’s” opinions are still relevant.

So your logic is circular, and it applies to everyone but you is what you are saying, you have the “facts”, and that forms your “opinion” basis.

Same old story.

Now what is so difficult to understand here?

In my OPINION, you are dead set on your opinion about the JW ministry, and any “facts” contrary to that strongly held view, you will not consider with an open mind.

And thus, many JWs and JW critics all share that common trait: Stalwart opinion, narrowed mind to protect that opinion.

And both groups are equally misled, but in different ways. And all of it is from the same Bethel developments; Bethel subverts BOTH JWs and their critics, so none can see the true scope of the subversion’s primary purpose and actual cause.

And as you see, BOTH JWs are xJWs and crits, that is many of these, are all obsessed with the same thing, but for different reasons. In either case, the mind get’s tied up in minutia, and the real development INSIDE of Bethel’s INFILTRATION remains mostly undetected by ALL of these groups, in general.

1. Crits think JWs never had the truth of the prophecy up to that time.

2. JWs have no idea Bethel is subverted from within, to aid that above impression, and to do things like adjoin the JW ministry with the UN.

And thus BOTH GROUPS have been fooled.

The reason the ministry is being subverted, is because it did have the first cycle truth from 1914-1945 in those first two UN exposures as prophecy.

NOW JWs SAY NOTHING about the 1990 3rd UN presentation, which is also a prophecy.

Instead, Bethel even joined the UN as UN NGO, and JWs are none the wiser that is APOSTASY, that has recently developed in the ministry.

And ALL of the basic plot and themes are in prophecy.

Connecting Bethel Lawlessness to Final Prophecy

That connection to prophetic criteria of the apostasy, is what is my OPINION.

I say there is more to the Bethel story, and that it will get far far far WORSE in the near fuutre, because they want to CANCEL and totally DEPOSE the JW ministry and its corporate resource base of global operations.

You will see that attempt soon. (Dan8:13-14)

Until then, and the Daniel 8:14 timing, it is my opinion.

When Daniel 8:13-14 proves itself as Daniel 11:41, it will go beyond opinion, to prophecy fulfilling that you WILL be able to witness and time (Dan8:14) for your self. It is centered on Bethel’s downfall events of Daniel 11:41 and Daniel 8:111 culminating, hence Matthew 24:!5.

[QUOTE who=”the Mad JW”]The irony here is THICK- because MOST churchs feel these are the Last Days, TOO![/QUOTE]


(2 Thessalonians 2:1-2) . . .However, brothers, respecting the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we request of YOU 2 not to be quickly shaken from YOUR reason nor to be excited either through an inspired expression or through a verbal message or through a letter as though from us, to the effect that the day of Jehovah is here…WAY TOO SOON.

Because “religions” have “corporate boards” that all customize a delusion for their own flock. The “Governing Body” is the name of the original “board of directors” termed such in 1971, but the term was introduced as “governing body” in 1944, to acclimate Bethel to the idea first.

From there very very very very very very very GRADUALLY (Dan8:12), the “religion” becomes morphed. Look at today’s JWs, DIFFERENT EVERYTHING! Like boiling a frog, JWs have also gradually accepted all these changes.

The “IT’S THE FREAKIN’ END OF THE WORLD RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER” [[[HYPE]] [[HYPE]] [[HYPE’]] helps keep the mind “overly excited” AS IF “the end is right around the corner”, and thus the delusion can set in, and the minds are all distracted with that PREMATURE END DELUSION THAT:


It is all peas in a pod overall now.


[QUOTE who=”Lordylordy9111″]Russia is helping Syria and it is Israel who seems to be making aggressive moves toward Russia. Israel wants to sack Syria too.
Israel seems to be more likely to make agressive move on Russia while Russia is protecting Syria at the US request.
So it will be interesting to see how that goes if Israel doesn’t keep their noses out of it. Israel is a bully and not so much a victim anymore.[/QUOTE]

In the alternative media, like http://www.Globalresearch.ca, Alex Jones, etc, they say the US backs ISIS and wants to close the Mediterranean ring of the Levant prior to the final takeover of the Middle East—Iran is the target to seal from their Mediterranean supply channel.

The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIS): An Instrument of the Western Military Alliance

The Gulf Cooperation Council NATO extension has been preparing for this since around 2005 or so, with Saudi as now the fifth largest defense budget.

Syria: NATO and the Gulf Cooperation Council Organized and Financed the Death of 120,000 Syrians

Of Strategic Interest To NATO: The Militarization of Saudi Arabia and the Persian Gulf

U.S.-NATO-Gulf Cooperation Council Military Buildup Against Iran

So with that possibility, imo, in possible reality, Russia is working to stabilize Syria, which will work against US interests (to takeover the whole Middle East ((Iran is the real target) in this phase), from the alternative story out there and their speculations.

Russia Disrupts Obama’s War Plans: US, NATO and Allies Plot “Plan B in Syria”. What Next?

Syria: Russian Intervention Exposes Coalition Lies. “The Terrorists R US”

But at this level of the game the Globalist US, NATO and Russia top, is all in on the plan of the final “epic war” that George Bush Sr. foretold must come before world government, when they will all “make friends” under the flag of the wildbeast, to sell that global abomination as the “global solution”.

We know Russia is “in on it” because inspite of the USSR “world order” distraction, they REMAINED in the UN, and top UN Security Council participants, as did China, so to do that they MUST be “in on it”.

Had the USSR been a real “enemy” they certainly would not have remained a UN Anglo-American elite ally to keep that thing together.

So what we have is another distraction on the one hand for the nations and masses, to in time sell UN World Government on the other hand, when the time for “world peace” and the real 1Thess5:1-3 comes.

In fact the USSR (1934 member) and China were members of the League of Nations, while the US never did join the League:


What that tells us, is the US was the “hold out”, and had to be shoehorned into the UN by tricky means as WW2 ended. Now the US is fully “in on it” too. But Russia and China have been totally “in on it” with England from the League forward.

So in reality the US national sovereign domination is the number one priority of the globalists. When the orignal US government of the League era did NOT join the League, it was for important reasons related to protecting US national sovereignty.

The interesting catch is the world will see Bethel go down for criminal wrongdoing inspring eventual rampant lawsuits and PROSECUTIONS for real Bethel based criminal activity.

JWs oblivious to the real dead spiritual state of the GB and Bethel, will see these attacks as PERSECUTION.

And because JWs have become so GB Dogmatic, it will take them time to understand the severity of Bethel’s modern foretold guilt.

But, the real test for JWs may be the stigma that will remain over the organization, if God decides to cleanse His Name in the very pit of reproach in the Bethel ministry, and the FULL ADMISSION AND DISCLOSURE of Bethel crimes must be rectified in the same location they have arisen.

We know God will raise up a final warning and Messianic Kingdom completion announcement, to expose world government completion coming as to what it really will trigger.

What we do not know is WHERE and HOW God will cause the recovery to occur, when the Daniel 8:13-14 full Temple Judgment has run its accounting desolation, to purified recovery course and timings. (Dan8:14,26)

God may very well REQUIRE what remains of the Bethel brothers to make full admission in the very location of the modern “lie”, we cannot say yet, imo.

Can Bethel Repent? Part 1 of 4

Can Bethel Repent? Part 2 of 4

Can Bethel Repent? Part 3 of 4

Can Bethel Repent? Part 4 of 4

But what it will NOT be is “the end” (2Thess2:1-2) that Bethel has JWs also expecting to help smokescreen the TRUE REASON for the coming JW org corporate desolations of Daniel 8:13 “trampling” in the real globalist system guided anti-JW-org invasion of Daniel 11:41, as Bethel also conceals the true King North WORLD GOVERNMENT meaning.


Now Bethel’s 1971 “Governing Body”, only first mentioned as a “governing body” in 1944, can be forensically traced as to how that 1944 “error” turned into the 1971-1976 GB dictatorship. (2Thess2:11-12)

Daniel 8:13-14 Diametric “Wrong Condition” at Apostate Bethel Since 1944—It’s Future Fulfillment and Implications

And that is when the GB stabbed everyone in the back for their own POWER TRIP (2Thess2:3-4), and now it is time to pay the divine price for that total over stepping of their actually non-existent ministerial authority.

SOON it is time for the “Governing Body” LIE to pay the piper.

It is actually all in the same prophecies in Daniel 8 and 11:30-35 that the GB now covers up, to aid their own illegal cover. Not for long, in time the FULL TRUTH of the “Governing Body” ILLEGAL POWER Trip will come out at global scale.

Daniel 8 and 11 Final Apostasy and 3rd UN Placement (1990) Connections and Parallels

Only problem is JWs Pay NO Attention to Daniel’s Porphecy, or any prophecy, as the GB also well dumbed down modern JWs to less than remedial levels of even classic JW prophetic basics. JWs have forgotten God foretells all things, because they listen to the GB Blinders.

And that is why JWs cannot see the modern Bethel UN Allied Apostasy is ALL ALREADY IN PROPHECY.

In time God will make the prophecy emerge in full detail and simple principle of what the GB is: Apostate so-called “LEADERSHIP”.

It doesn’t matter now. With that latest “No Light” Update, they just bought 100 more years.

And in principle this trick could theoretically go on till the year 3000 and beyond. It just KEEPS OVERLAPPING as far as this LameBrain Bethel Formula goes.


The “generation” is like Jerusalem: Apostate in general. The apostasy will not “pass away” until the judgment comes upon it in the future. (Matt24:15 as Dan8:13)

Of course Bethel will not admit such a truthful basic of the “generation” Christ was addressing: Apostate Jerusalem, and their mixed crowd of approved and disapproved, with an Apostate Leadership in power, until they were removed for good.

Ever heard of the Pharisees after 70 CE? Nope, they “passed away”.

Bethel’s “This Generation” “No Light” Reality—This Apostate “Jerusalem” Generation

And that was the whole point for that time, of what judgment the apostles were originally warning the Jews and others was coming. In 70 CE they swept away Jerusalem to a stone. It came on “this generation” of that time.

Apostate UN Friendly Bethel must undergo a similar judgment. Hence the UN NGO and Matthew 24:15.

[QUOTE who=”Lordylordy9111″]
Yes they always put their money first. The false flags continue to remove guns while criminals are over looked.
They are itching to bring their NWO in full by militarization as they prepare by bringing new troops in camps for training. This is extra from military bases. They must have a lot on their mind about the gun control.
Satan’s symbol has been forced on everyone by the wild beast and they have sacked and trashed Hod’s sanctuaries and alters. The NWO feels fierce and he is confident in taking complete take over of the US.
We catch sight of the “disgusting thing that causes desolation” we must “have no part of it and get it out of us” because it is the power force of satan. [/QUOTE]

Yes, and they will keep progressing. The “new” “world order” is really an idea of a truly new system for global management in which nothing we see today, would eventually remain.

For example, once globalization truly equates to the corporate based monopoly and dominant globalist legal system and military to enforce it, then “capitalism” and “democracy” are no longer necessary, for they just aided the process, they were not the “end all”.

And for example the Hollywood and Media distraction machine would have served its purpose of blinding and misleading the mind of the masses. In time they will not have to hide, and pull strings from the shadows, they will come in in force.

Religions will also have served their blinding, stalling and dividing purpose.

Once the NWO achieves 100% control, and they will, they can do WHATEVER THEY WANT, up to the point God removes them, for only God and Christ can stop these guys.

And when you see those basics of the “old world order” that will expire when their purpose is served, then we see the “new world order” is planning to remove and replace every known system the “old world order” has implemented, they can even rewrite all human history. But of course we are not talking doing this over night.

And we are talking Satan also coming out as Global King with all his boys, 100% in the open. Satan, behind the scenes, is not happy with this world system, he wants complete unquestioned power, as the background driving goal of the whole NWO purpose.

So when this final cycle starts, it will be the beginning of the end of the age of the “old world order”, but it wil take time for them to get that 100% system power they need to accomplish this at global scale. But they are well over 50% control in all the most powerful sectors of power already:

1. Over 80% total monetary and finance control. (In the debt and “enforced dependency” stage)

2. 70% global military control; (Russia and China just have to drop into the Global NATO camp, in whatever form the brand that Global Military System as.)

EVERYTHING else is controlled by those top 2 power systems. Wealth control is the main driver, hence Daniel 11:42-43 occurs first to culmination over the final cycle. The basis of Super-Corporate power administering it all, is based on wealth sovereignty.

This next cycle will tip it all to the 90+% levels, and in the decade to follow their 90% World Government level, it is virtually as good as 100%. And the 10% is the “Libyans and Ethiopians at his steps” in Daniel 11:43, insignificant nations who will tumble in, in time, if God did not intervene.

That is when it gets DANGEROUS, and that is the period God and Christ “cut short” in explicit terms, because it is the global Satanic extinction mode of Matthew 24:21-22.

Satan KNOWS he is going to abyss, so his end game is to ultimately destroy all he can before he goes. The NWO goals, like depop and 100% tech and military, aid Satan’s end game goal, it networks that final “four winds of the >earth<” system of potential global destruction.

Satan is just trying to finish that system, so he can override it, when it is ready (Eze38:7), in the true end game under world government total global power.

[QUOTE who=”FH Van Winkle”]<quoted text>
The idiocy in your comments boggles the mind.

Idiocy? That is HISTORY. You should try Google some day.

“The Rothschilds” was not a 70s TV Show about a Candy Empire. lol

Rothschild family

Holy smokes Van Winkle, time to WAKE UP.

Who Funded Hitler? — Questions For Corbett #008

Rothschild Cartel behind the rise of Hitler also funding communism socialism and world war


Though the furthest point of prophetic understanding is within the anointed Christian ministry also known as Jehovah’s witnesses, the “governing body” is the one element left over from Babel, that is now the cause of all “truth spoken of abusively”, they have eclipsed the truth JWs used to promote in un-UN-aligned form.

And that is why God let the “governing body” error go to us, so that prophecy would be fulfilled that Bethel is now a UN allied apostasy, and they cover up many global developments moving toward world government to emerge from this next HUGE global crisis coming up, in the principle of Revelation 13:3 and Revelation 17:8, parallel this time.

So God will deal with the problem in the temple judgment first. And the problem is the Babel based and corporate inspired so-called “governing body” that neither Russell, Rutherford, Knorr or Fred Franz approved of as a dictatorial “supreme council” since 1976, first uttered in 1944.

Like Geoffrey Jackson said, “you can’t fly an airplane by committee”.

How true, and that is why Jehovah’s witnesses last truly spiritual leader was Fred Franz, Christ is not sharing in the UN spotlight the GB has brought in as Fred Franz lay dying.

Like I said, the “governing body” entity is from Babel, and ALL of Christendom’s clergies are also “governing body” ruled by the same error, allowing subversion to develop, bar none, including Bethel.

“”The Mystery Religions each had their secret councils which ruled them, and these councils themselves came under the guidance of a secret supreme Grand Council or Governing Body.””


Thus the very core element of the Babel Religious System, is the very heart of the Jehovah’s witnesses ministry now!)

1944 Governing Body Birthday—1914-1976 WTBTS Board of Directors Coup Finally Realized

JWs, get ready to kiss the GB goodbye. THEY are the problem, and why God pulled the blessing until they are gone, and the account is squared. (Dan8:13-14)

Bethel is a UN allied, GB subverted, MODERN APOSTASY.

The final one to be dealt with first. (1Pet4:17; Dan11:41)

[QUOTE who=”red blood relative”]they have white robes on with the blood of the lamb on them, they handle the priestly duties before the throne…………. they are the last part of the bride of christ to go upward and join the marriage of the lamb.


1. First off they are still sinful, hence:

(Revelation 7:17) . . .because the Lamb, who is in the midst of the throne, will shepherd them, and will guide them to fountains of waters of life. . . .

They certainly are not “priests” of God under Christ the SINLESS High Priest, who must still lead them to “waters of life”, hence not yet perfect.

2. Second, they wash THEIR [EXISTING] ROBES in the blood of the lamb, they cleanse their existing lives by Christ’s ransom sacrifice:

(Revelation 7:14) . . .“These are the ones that come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed THEIR ROBES and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Unlike the anointed of Revelation 6:9-11 they are not given NEW “white robes” as new perfect lives:

(Revelation 6:11) . . .And a white robe WAS GIVEN to each of them; and they were told to rest a little while longer. . .

3. Some try to say this “throne” means the “great crowd” are “in heaven”:

(Revelation 7:9) . . .After these things I saw, and, look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne . . .

Since sinners also “stand before the thrown” as well, it is not in heaven, but “come down” to Earth as a symbol of God’s rulership at that time exercised by the Christ as he righteously judges all mankind:

(Revelation 20:12) . . .And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and scrolls were opened… And the dead were judged out of those things written in the scrolls according to their deeds.

So those people are not “in heaven”.


[QUOTE=SingleCell;15336]Great post Joshua.

The post-flood world started with Nimrod attempting to create a “global order”, which was confused, and the age ends with a Nimrod figure actually succeeding in creating that “tower” of Babel “global order”.

In a sense we are in the age of confusion, “Babylon”.[/QUOTE]

And interestingly the first divine intervention after the flood, triggered by the “Tower of Babelk” first world governmental order attempt, in the language confusion, is eventually reset to one “pure language” after God intervenes the final time on the New “World Government” Order Global Tower of Babel project.

(Zephaniah 3:8-9) . . .“‘Therefore keep yourselves in expectation of me,’ is the utterance of Jehovah, ‘till the day of my rising up to [the] booty, for my judicial decision is to gather nations, for me to collect together kingdoms, in order to pour out upon them my denunciation, all my burning anger; for by the fire of my zeal all the earth will be devoured. 9 For then I shall give to peoples the change to a pure language, in order for them all to call upon the name of Jehovah, in order to serve him shoulder to shoulder.’

So that reaffirms the same connection you made in the above.

That is why Daniel 2 “head of gold” is the masculine implied, globalizing system of the globalists, as that whole “immense image” of Daniel 2 is that whole world government totality, which they “head”. Same as the whole “Scarlet Wild beast”. (Babylon the Great is a feminine symbol of a harlot, in contrast)

As you know UN NGO Bethel explains all the parts of the “immense image” but does not tell JWs what the whole image means, or the modern “Head of Gold” Globalizers. (Hab1) Bethel will not tell people how the whole “immense image” is “greater than the sum of its parts”, as they cover up world government development for the premature “its the end of the world brothers” delusion of 2Thess2:1-2.

As you know as well, UN NGO Bethel explains all the “seven heads” of the “Scarlet Wildbeast” but does not tell JWs what the WHOLE SCARLET WILDBAST means as world government, e.g. 8th King, King North, King Fierce in Countenance as they are ALL the same thing. Bethel will not tell people how the whole “Scarlet Wildbeast” is “greater than the sum” of its “seven heads”, as they cover up world government development, and all modern globalization understanding since 1990.

It just happens to be the same time they joined the “United Nations of Organizations”, the lower tier UN System of “non-kingdom” organizations and corporations, and even “consultative status” individuals.

The UN Department of Public Information “Outreach Division” UN NGO system, represents the UN wildbeast branching out and down into the local level of nations. But Bethel will not tell JWs what that post 1990 UN expansion operation really means in and of itself as a global wildbeast system expansion for UN partnerships at the national, state and local level.

That was a very significant UN expansion tier of 1990!

The next step, is requiring all global individuals to “join the UN” once it is in world government. (Rev13:15-18)

UN covenanted Bethel turns a blind eye, plays dumb, and says nothing about the whole thing, for “it is the end brothers!” forget about it!

That is called the latest Apostate Leadership “riding the wildbeast”. (Matt24:15)


[QUOTE=wallflower;15169]Hmmm…..Interesting development. It’s unusual for a corporation to suddenly grind to a halt like that on building projects. Usually that is a sign that a corporation has a cashflow problem.

The special monthly congregational contribution started in May 2014. In the JW.TV broadcast, Stephen Lett begged the congregations to send in more money. Now all of the building projects are to stop, except for Warwick HQ.

I’m a finance buff – there is something about this that doesn’t add up.

A few scenarios come to mind:

1) Perhaps the money has been squirreled away to put aside for paying out for lawsuits and compensation to the survivors of child abuse.

2) Perhaps the Watchtower Society has experienced a loss with the hedge fund investment.

3) Perhaps the Watchtower Society has gone over its budget regarding construction at Warwick.

4) Perhaps this is an orchestrated move to get the congregations to give even more – perhaps “new light” is coming. Perhaps the special monthly contribution arrangement has to be made to look like it hasn’t been successful, so as to be a precursor to “new light” to the introduction of “mandatory tithing.”

My bet is on #4.[/QUOTE]

I lean to your opinion as it being a ruse. The WTBTS is worth billions in even non-real-estate assets alone.

Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania owns over 7% of J.P. Morgan Chase Liquid Assets Money Market Fund.



Now I did not base the billions on that information, there are other ways to ball park the Bethel billions since 1980.

Now this video was interesting:

Hidden from Jehovah’s Witnesses vid 8A The Smoking Gun


Though that is one minor trust, imo, it makes me wonder what the core WTBTS “bipartite” financial reality may really look like. I would bet the WT is easily in the 10 billion range. Not saying it is all there, but they have flowed 20 billion since 1980, because they have had expert investment coaching from their owners, and the scale of other trusts and investments is ENORMOUS.

List of Watch Tower (Watchtower) Corporate Entities

Now think international scale.

They just do not want to leave it all for the national vultures, they have to skim most of it out, and let the 5 billion in litigation coming, turn to prosecutions, to devour the tier they leave JWs holding: the empty bag, and some nailed down assets.

No wonder they have liquidated 1 BILLION out of NY since 2010 or so. Now think international, and they are scooping a couple billion out, conservative.

Many mixed signals are coming from JP Morgan Bethel, and GB Goldman Body.

Imo it is an espionage style intel directed planned coup, corporate takeover aided from within (Dan11:32a), with a well premature JW “end of the world”-to-be-hoax for exiting cover.

I think the UN will get Wallkill, and that is what they are rushing to complete, from the Bethel finance lowest tier, to make it look real, it is the sacrificial assets they ahev to leave at Bethel. JWs will lose the Kingdom Halls network in the process in the US and European sectors. They are going to “swoop in” on the Bethel carcass they leave behind.

(Hosea 8:1-4) “To your mouth—a horn! [One comes] like an eagle against the house of Jehovah, for the reason that they have overstepped my covenant, and against my law they have transgressed. 2 To me they keep crying, ‘O my God, we, Israel, have known you.’ 3 “Israel has cast off good. Let one who is an enemy pursue him. 4 They themselves have set up kings, but not because of me. They have set up princes, but I did not know [it].

Unfortunately we forgot to get rid of the “governing body”, it comes from Babel:

“”The Mystery Religions each had their secret councils which ruled them, and these councils themselves came under the guidance of a secret supreme Grand Council or Governing Body.””


Thus the very core element of the Babel Religious System, is the very heart of the Jehovah’s witnesses ministry now!

That is how God let an “error” go to us (2Thess2:11-12), it slipped by, and the GB is where the subversion has been guided from, all post 1976.

The “Governing Body’s” days are numbered (Dan8:13-14), they are the “They themselves have set up kings”, in the style of Christendom, all non-Biblical and illegal ministerial authority. The “Governing Body” is an illegal farce, just like Christendom’d clergoes which are also GB ruled, as Christendom, not Bethel, invented the “Governing Body” term:

Pulpit Commentary (Acts 15:2)

“”The apostles and elders. This phrase marks the constitution of the governing part of the Church of Jerusalem.””

Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges (Acts 15:2)

“”These with the elders appear now as the governing body of the infant church.””


But that is as much lies as is the GB in JWs.

There was no actual “governing part” except the apostles, and anointed “body of the Christ”.

So all of Christendom is run by many “governing bodies” whose root is also in Babel, just like Bethel chose in strong-arm coup in 1976, as the “governing body” was first mentioned in 1944.

Looks like we forgot that one detail concerning “Babel influence”. go figure—NOW the ship is lost!

Good point. In reality the “governing body” (1944) and then the “Governing Body” (1976), and then the Governing Body of Bethel Dictators (1976) is really just an experiment—that has now failed.

If the board had any cajones they would send the GB out on hot rails to the dumpster—the “GB 1944-1976 Experiment” has utterly failed.

And worse is it can be researched the WTBTS is worth BILLIONS, they are far from “going broke”, and from what I hear they had a “JW Broadcasting” watershed year, almost a billion in “donations”. The “JW Media” Commercial paid off nicely.

[QUOTE who=”FH Chandler”]
Are “Jews” and “Zionists” keeping you down too, Tinkerbell?

Everything is tied together. The goal is world government. You are not free regardless of the monetary illusion you may be within. The engine has gears that all tie together for various functions of what global governance is.

The engine will get stronger as the nation-state is captured by financial, military and partial means when the wind down develops, however it may develop, it is all networked by corporations utilizing extremely power full digital network technology, which models all of the “old world order” real world networks in all spheres of former national sovereignty, now being transitioned into a superior model.

The nation-state was designed hundreds of years ago and cannot meet the management requirements of the modern age. All this is coming up, is birthing the new model to a real world application, while phasing out and absorbing many dated nation-state functionaries.

Because world government makes complete sense for a system to enforce international law on all the nations, it is a natural maturation of the nation-state into the global-state:

“We have before us the opportunity to forge for ourselves and for future generations a new world order — a world where the rule of law, not the law of the jungle, governs the conduct of nations. When we are successful — and we will be — we have a real chance at this new world order, an order in which a credible United Nations can use its peacekeeping role to fulfill the promise and vision of the U.N.’s founders.”—George Bush

Address to the Nation Announcing Allied Military Action in the Persian Gulf
January 16, 1991

NATIONS will be subject to the “rule of law” of world government. The premise makes sense, but the human vessel is not that which God has appointed int the World Ruler to come, Jesus Christ. They are at diametric odds as to whose “rule of law” will forever stand on planet Earth.

“This is precisely why the present aggression in the Gulf is a menace not only to one region’s security but to the entire world’s vision of our future. It threatens to turn the dream of a new international order into a grim nightmare of anarchy in which the law of the jungle supplants the law of nations. And that’s why the United Nations reacted with such historic unity and resolve. And that’s why this challenge is a test that we cannot afford to fail.

I am confident we will prevail. Success, too, will have lasting consequences: reinforcing civilized standards of international conduct, setting a new precedent in international cooperation, brightening the prospects for our vision of the future.”—George Bush

Address to the United Nations General Assembly by President George H.W. Bush
September 25, 1989

There is only one way to settle the world rulership issue. First nations must become subservient (Dan11:42-43, Rev11:17:8-13), and that is already in place, just requiring the meltdown of the US and EU nation-state old systems, in highly controlled and precise manner, inspite of the chaos that will manifest as the global context deepens.

But in time, the “global crisis” “problem” will resolve into the World Government “solution”, with full wealth and military control, to fully implement that dream of George Bush and his global elite cronies, so that nations cannot just do whatever they want, whenever they want. The premise seems “noble”, but the “solution” entails more changes than most people are aware of.

“Today that new world is struggling to be born, a world quite different from the one we’ve known.”—George Bush

It will be so different even a Kowtow Sell Out like yourself will notice the “new birthing” cycle.

In time the global sovereign issue will be met by confrontation with God and Christ, once they are complete with their World Government endeavor which this final cycle will allow to birth at global scale in the future.


[QUOTE who=”jace”]<quoted text>
So based on your perspective that
“opinions are the same as facts ”
Facts don’t have to even be true but can be untruths or lies
Then would readers be wrong to conclude— that all these pages and pages of biblical explanations and interpretations of scriptural fulfillments from you —-are your OPINIONS that are to be viewed as FACTS but then these FACTS of yours are subject to be completely untrue?
As the boys in Da Hood would say
“All your post are possibly a lot of BS?”
I’m just asking
And a fact is not true [/QUOTE]

God’s prophecy already tells the whole meaning of the coming birthing of full world government.

You can view it however you wish. But the news will come forth after Bethel goes down.

Whether those are opinions of facts will be answered by time, not you, not me, but time and prophecy.

Jesus Christ is the appointed World Ruler from God. Those other guys only respond to superior force, and God Almighty has plenty of that, one angel could dust the global military complex in less than an hour.

God and Christ will be showing up with 100 Billion of the Boys in God’s Hood.

And that is why God and Christ, the Ultimate “Two Witnesses”, give FAIR WARNING >BEFORE< GAME DAY.

The issue and reality of who will rule planet Earth will be settled by superior force. But people can choose Christ as their World Ruler and live.

That is the basic fact and truth the Bible delivers as its core message: one of SALVATION by freewill choice, by choosing God and Christ BEFORE “Game Day”.

But they will take repentance up to and through the final cycle.

Global Open Salvation—How Christ Completes His Own Ministry

If salvation through Christ is but an opinion to you, you will be given time to think it over before Game Day.

The message is Salvation in Christ is a TRUTH, and a Divine Fact.

The Freewill Choice is all of ours. Easy as that.

[QUOTE who=”shutup already”]the un ngo ‘thing’ is no-thing!

Bethel joined the Dragon system, the UN NGO is the UN for Groups.

UN NGO: What the United Nations of Non-Governmental Organizations Global Expansion System Really Is

The UN NGO System is so organizations can also join and promote the UN at the international, national, state, and local level.

UN Non Governmental Organizations List

United Nations NGO Branch

“The NGO Branch is the focal point within the United Nations for Non-Governmental Organizations in consultative status with the Economic and Social Council (ECOSOC), and NGOs seeking status.”

Don’t believe everything the world tells you. Bethel is in the world now, the UN NGO is not going away but instead will trigger anti-JW-org judgment allowed and even required by God. (Dan8:13-14)

When UN NGO Bethel Placed The Disgusting Thing

Foretold Apostasy Always Precedes a Global Epic World Power Transition—5 Times in Prophecy

Definition of Apostate: Bethel


[QUOTE who=”Aneirin”]<quoted text>
They did not join the UN. Only COUNTRIES can join the UN.

They registered for access to the UN library.

No biggie except among the crazy apostate haters who look for any ridiculous excuse to weep and gnash their teeth.[/QUOTE]

1. Not true. To God a UN Organizational Tier Partnership is indeed a “big deal”. The GB is blowing smoke, their end and full exposure “shouted from the roof tops” is soon.

2. Your the one gnashing your teeth, you got a UN partnership UNder your belt and UNder the Bethel rug. Good luck with that! (Dan8:13-14)

Bethel is now UNclean. (Zech3:1-3)

3. The UN NGO is for organizations to also join their tier of world government preparatory expansion. The UN NGO system is a Wildbeast sanctioned partnership for global organizations.

Bethel joined the Dragon system, the UN NGO is the “United Nations for Groups”.

The UN NGO System allows organizations to ALSO JOIN, PARTNER WITH AND PROMOTE the UN at the international, national, state, and local level.

UN Non Governmental Organizations List

United Nations NGO Branch

“The NGO Branch is the focal point within the United Nations for Non-Governmental Organizations in consultative status with the Economic and Social Council (ECOSOC), and NGOs seeking status.”
It was a significant expansion of the Widlbeast System, and Bethel joined it, and says nothing about what the UN NGO System in itself is.

UN NGO: What the United Nations of Non-Governmental Organizations Global Expansion System Really Is

4. Bethel is a United Nations Scarlet Stained Classic UN-Allied Apostasy from the “holy covenant”. (Dan11:30-31) We have been waiting for these UN-GB sellouts to be exposed (2Thess2:1-4), and soon God will finish the job.

Definition of Apostate: Bethel

Bethel is not in the “holy covenant”, they chose the Wildbeast UN NGO Covenant instead.

When UN NGO Bethel Placed The Disgusting Thing

Don’t coUNt your eggs before they’ve hatched.

(Isaiah 59:5) . . .The [UN] eggs of a poisonous snake are what [Bethel] have hatched, and they kept weaving the mere cobweb of a spider. Anyone eating some of their eggs would die, and the [egg] that was smashed would be hatched into a [GB] viper [pit].


Looks like Switzerland stayed out of the UN System longer than the Nation of Jehovah’s Witnesses and their Bethel UN Annex.

UN Geneva

“The Palace of Nations (French: Palais des Nations) in Geneva, Switzerland, was built between 1929 and 1936 to serve as the headquarters of the League of Nations. It has served as the home of the United Nations Office at Geneva since 1946 when the Secretary-General of the United Nations signed a Headquarters Agreement with the Swiss authorities, although Switzerland did not become a member of the UN until 2002.”


UN NGO: What the United Nations of Non-Governmental Organizations Global Expansion System Really Is

When UN NGO Bethel Placed The Disgusting Thing

1990: 3RD UN Presentation—The Key to Modern Bethel Reality


On October 14, 15, pcloadletter wrote:
> hi i’m sorry i, morty, was rude the other night. but i shouldn’t love you and
> think you are sweet and worry about you, when you’re engaged in this evil
> doing, should I? Maybe you are a fake and don’t think it’s important what you
> do because you think it’s all bogus anyway?love pc

I have VERY sarcastic friends. My sarcasm has gotten my into close calls, because I guess I act to good, and people do not understand my sarcasm. Every forum seems to have its own personality, and Topix is pretty tame. SOS is about as bad as it gets here.

And it is the most “thick skinned” forum around. Most forums are daisy farmers with their own agenda, so they kick people out regularly like those sissies called “Cedars” and “Simon” (JWN).

Buncha lightweights who celebrate the Bethel downfall. But in time, the truth of what that judgment means will also come home to them. (Zech5)

I do not celebrate or rejoice in Bethel apostasy, except for the FACT it is active temple apostasy prophecy now fulfilling—which means the rest of the prophecy is also sure to unfold as well.

So of course my hope is all Jehovah’s witnesses will soon carry the message of the truth of the temple judgment, the UN NGO and what it means to be disclosed and condemned for what it is.

JWs have no other choice, the current stalled ministry will not be acceptable, nor is it, in the state it is in. The Kingdom has become as unreal to JWs as has the UN NGO counterfeit-kingdom they also are dim to be aware of what it all REALLY means.

So I bet my life Daniel 8:13-14 will prove itself in the future, and JWs coming into full repentance by full awareness will in time have to make the same proclamation. Again. (Rev10:11)

It merely repeats, and we have to expose the 3rd (1990) and 4th UN (future world government) presentations for what they are, just like we did the first two UN presentations of 1919-1945.

Jehovah’s witnesses have forgotten what we are supposed to be doing here. And that is because the UN-GB Globalists have misled them off course and into deep spiritual slumber and “the end” delusion well too soon of reality.

But do not expect some overnight recovery, but the initial wake up call (Matt25:1-13) will be notable, but it will take time for it to sink into the JW Fat Head. But that is my goal, to drill it in until it takes, God willing and aiding.

Daniel 8:13-14 will be ENORMOUS, and anti-JW-org centered, so in time JWs will see the “light” of “the morning” phase of Daniel 8:14,26.

(Daniel 8:26) 26 “And the thing seen concerning the evening and the morning, which has been said, it is true. And you, for your part, keep secret the vision, because it is yet for many days.”

Daniel 8:14 is timed, and phased, to help JWs catch on as they will, as per prophecy. The ministry is currently UN NGO, UN-ECOSOC for OSCE and FULLY aborted.

Daniel 8:13-14 is a unique one time only prophecy, that will prove itself come that time, it is the temple judgment that parallels the ignition of Revelation 8:3-5, as it repeats.

Everything else develops along the first six trumpet framework which unfolds in the future, STARTING (1Pet4:17) with the temple judgment of Jehovah’s witnesses, en route to World Government.

Pay attention to Daniel 8:13-14.


[QUOTE=Frank Conger][QUOTE=4winds]Welcome to the “congregation”.

You should find it interesting, as I have when out researching things.

I have not posted in a while, just reading here and there.

Well, have a nice day.[/QUOTE]

Hi 4 winds:

You had sent me a private message but I didn’t even know I had one until I went to write one today. Sorry I didn’t see it sooner. I am a veteran of this board but decided to list myself under my real name. My name is Frank Conger. I live in the Philadelphia,PA area. Was a JW for about 30 years until I learned of the poor way the society handles the child abuse issue and their U.N. trist. Hope to get to know you better I think. Just kidding.


Hi Frank,

Yes, I went through the same “awakening”. The only difference with much of the “typical” reaction out there is I think FAR MORE is going on INSIDE of the WTBTS, not just with the GB “front men”, and the goal is to discredit the whole thing.

But the UN was the big issue with me, especially as it is left unaddressed and still a secret as far as Bethel openly admitting it to ALL JWs, which is treachery, because IF more JWs new of that, they would flee. (Matt24:15)

But I cannot go through the whole forensics of a 20 BILLION dollar operation since 1980, and that is conservative estimate as to how much JW money and labor has been “laundered” in that system. Like any corporate takeover they will have “two sets of books” so to speak, and the one they will run for those not “in on it” will be pure fiction for the takeover tier of things to develop to the full upon Bethel.

So we have far more serious developments to come up, which will be confused in a quagmire of seeming “persecution” that will be in large part a prosecution of a harmful illegal “legal system”, which will have full justification of the legal events to come on Bethel to finish the job the GB began.

How they pull this off I do not know, I have several “concepts” as to the course of action, and the intended full purpose. In a worst case scenario they will takeover the whole ministerial basis of resources, a true corporate takeover. But in the real world, with the scale of Bethel’s corporate network, they are probably also planning how to tie it all up in a legal quagmire that could go on for years, loaded with REAL REPROACH and criminal spiritual racketeering being fully exposed, like the RC, but upon the legal system (Bethel’s that is), that empowered the “Bethel policies” of which the pedophile paradise is BUT ONE example.

The “pedophile” internally policied and maintained example is just the “in” into the rest of the Bethel rat’s nest, for later. And we are talking billions upon billions of dollars, so there is also an incentive to raid the JW candy store as well. It is looking more and more like a CLASSIC INFILTRATION, and that being from one who knows Jay Dobyns, who infiltrated the Hell’s Angels.


I have known others in the ATF, DEA, etc, in the same specialization, as was my brother (not a witness, and died young due to his work, assasination by design), etc, so I can tell you the idea of infiltration is a science to the “powers that be”, it is no “conspiracy theory”, it is what the FBI and CIA and other global intel branches do.

I knew Jay from the University of Arizona days, and I am not boasting, but trying to get some people to understand a corporate “mark” like Bethel, thinly “guarded” and loaded with loot, is very very possible to be a target for an expert-intel infiltration. But that is not the only reason.

That it did have a valid exposure of the League of Nations “nucleus” of world government going, to the UN 1945, that should have continued to UN 1990 (Dan11:31b; Dan8:23), all as prophecy and globally significant world government developmental steps toward the real thing (Dan11:45; Dan8:25), is further reason to take Bethel out of the running ASAP. And it was no overnight affair to subvert Bethel from within, it took decades. (The principle of “wheat” and “Weeds” GROWING TOGETHER in the same place, is what we are talking about.)

So for such reasons, and more, such as the MODERN DELUSION of the prematurely expected “the end” well programmed in for exiting cover, I tell JWs that I can, that MORE is going on INSIDE of Bethel, and it also has the “earmarks” in Bethel laced writings, globalist system and book plugging (which the UN NGO was only one manner of (it still goes on in other “lobbies”), and in their artwork, which is also a classic sign of a full blown infiltration being signaled for the external “insiders”.

In any event the general take on all this out on the Web, is also not telling the whole story. Thereby JWs are being subverted as are JW critics, but in different manners of impressions and deceptions. The external presence of these kinds of half telling expose’s on the Web, is another signal this it is overall an expert intel operation, inside of Bethel, with secondary traps on the outside, and none of it is explaining the internal reality of Bethel, but being used to discredit the WHOLE JW ministry, and THAT is the overall goal.

It is guaranteed this will get far more interesting as the global context of instability also deepens, for the coup-de-etat cover context of coming, more severe, global drama, that JWs will be tossed into, with Bethel programmed theological prophecy deceptions also in place to ensure JWs are fully bewildered, thinking “it is the end brothers”, as and after Bethel is taken over, or at the least a full blown effort to do so is undertaken to the coup stage at global anti-JW-org scale.

It will not be “the end”, it is the global crisis period that has to resolve instead to that full world government final presentation that Bethel has also been covering up in prophecy, and in globalization maturation details. That so-called Awake! magazine is Asleep! in 1970, many post 1990 developments are fully ignored by Bethel, including that post Cold War 3rd United Nations global presentation, which is, of course, ALSO in prophecy, UN 1,2,3; 1919, 1945 and 1990, and that is why Bethel partnered with it as UN NGO, and in the meantime, as they rubbed out Fred Franz, they COVER IT ALL UP to JWs, to give cover to the coup instead. (Dan11:41 goes full blown in the future as Daniel 8:13-14)

I was a JW since I was seven, but “fell out” from 16 to 30, but still read books. When I came back I went full blown to prove the basis to myself first, so I know JW “theology” on prophecy inside out for 20 years after I came back. Because of this I KNOW where Bethel is “deviating” from our original ministerial purpose, and how they use the USSR=KN error to bypass the locale that describes their apostasy with the real KN who is 8th King Globalists as marked as UN 3.0, 1990, now covered up by apostate and infiltrated Bethel. (Dan8:12 parallel Dan11:30-35)

I am interested in Jehovah’s witnesses recovering our ministry and our direct and totally focused purpose of what we are supposed to be doing here: Proclaiming God’s Kingdom AND exposing the counterfeit of it, the King North/8th King UN Globalists system, at the same time, live and real-time, as the UN takes its fourth and final step, to full World Government, in the future, all as per prophecy; UN 1-2-3-4.

JWs STOPPED exposing the UN as prophecy at the 3rd UN step, 1990. THAT is no accident.

But anyways, talk to you later Frank, stay on it, more is coming, and it will end up being a global temple judgment signal, first. (1Pet4:17; Dan8:13-14).


[QUOTE who=”Lordylordy9111″]The elites global placement of their sovereign god in 1945 could be the time that the “time of the end” actually began. Not sure but its not 1914.
Rutherford did begin the foundation of the Eucharist 1914 or earlier and it had been forgotten or placed on the back shelf if you will. I think Rutherfords placement began in 1914 which started his 1260 days of purification which he was imprisoned soon after.
The fulfillments are all over the board and when all said and done may still fall accurately in place as the Bible said.
The accual “last days” may have actually began in 1945 but no one really knows the exact year when it began or when it will end.
God does reveal it in time.[/QUOTE]

Yes, now we know what they are all up to a Wildbeast Bethel since “men went to sleep” and Bethel “The Weeds” slipped in.

I started this thread:

How UN NGO Bethel Joined “UN System” “UN Secretariat” UN Organ

To answer this question, and some others:

Ever wonder why UN System Member WTBTS aka Bethel was primed with the “organization” term so heavily?

Well because “ORGANIZATION” is a UN buzz-term from after WW2:

“The Charter of the United Nations was signed on 26 June 1945, in San Francisco, at the conclusion of the United Nations Conference on International ORGANIZATION, and came into force on 24 October 1945. The Statute of the International Court of Justice is an integral part of the Charter.”


And because as a UN Secretariat Branch>>>UN Department of Public Information>>>Outreach Division (3),>>>UN Non-governmental “Organization” of the overall UN System network…

United Nations System Chart 2015

Click to access 2015_29-June_Final_UN-System-Chart.pdf

…The WTBTS would answer to the UN Secretariat under the UN Secretary General (Javier Pérez de Cuéllar 1982-91, Boutros Boutros-Ghali 1992-96, Kofi Annan 1997-06), who administers the UN DPI beneath the UN Secretariat “Departments and Offices”.


Which I was going to put in here, and may be I will just for internet searchers. But it got into how the UN NGO is in the UN DPI which is under the UN Secretariat, and is considered part of the “United Nations System” overall.

So yes Bethel did “join the United Nations” under the UN Secretariat “Executive Branch of the UN System”.

When people say “only nations can join the UN”, that is NOT true, many orgs and “consultants” can join the United Nations System under UN-ECOSOC and UN Secretariat principal UN Organs into the UN “Organization”.

And this is why the Bethel UN NGO is dead serious business with God. And this is the UN System Bethel will NOT expose in any way shape or form. The “United Nations System” IS the “grass roots” to “top elite” Global Framework of World Government on the way, and well in the making, and enormous in scope.

The Elite private top tier economic system is about 100 times larger in REAL WEALTH, even now, than all the global national GDP’s COMBINED, in EITHER Gold or Non-Gold Assets.

And national debt and unfunded liability swallows up GDP across the national board as well. So they are “OWNED” when that debt interest comes due—by design. They will be bought out, by their own debt, the national powers will be owned lock, stock and barrel. Just a matter of time and this final cycle coming up, running it full course to global coup of Daniel 11:42-43 first.

WEIRD Strangeness will become even more rampant as Bethel milks JWs for every last dime before they go down as UN Apostates.

The judgment starts with JWs and Bethel (1Pet4:17), not “Babylon the Great” which delusion provides the perfect cover for the coming Bethel sacking.

Bethel is in rampant global UN allied apostasy. When their judgment comes and runs Daniel 8:13-14 as Daniel 11:41, next, it’s not going to be pretty.

Daniel 8:14 temple “right condition” is now required by the temple judgment, first, due to the “befouled” modern Bethel apostate and UN Allied condition. (Zech3)

How UN NGO Bethel Joined the “UN System” under the “UN Secretariat” Principal UN Organ

Daniel 8:13-14 Diametric “Wrong Condition” at Apostate Bethel Since 1944—It’s Future Fulfillment and Implications

And the cover up of guaranteed World Government is what the King North Globalists have tasked apostate Bethel with (Dan11:32a):

KING NORTH GLOBALIZATION TO WORLD GOVERNMENT—How Bethel Covers Up Daniel 11:27-45 World Government Since 1990.


[QUOTE who=”Lordylordy9111″]I have a hard time rapping my brain around all that but if I keep reading it sinks in. Its just me thats all but I think your on to something.[/QUOTE]



It happened to me too. The “Bethel UN NGO” scandal in itself DISTRACTS from the bigger picture and purpose of the UN-Secretariat>>UN-DPI>>OUTreach UN NGO system in and if itself!

For example I became so focused on the Bethel UN NGO, I missed the point of the Whole United Nations UN NGO Global “UN System” affiliate “forest” for that one Bethel UN NGO “tree”.

And so we notice Bethel is not just a UN NGO, and more UN lobbies now (OSCE, etc), they are ALSO >>>NOT<<< exposing the very purpose of the UN NGO system ITSELF, or its UN Secretariat Overlord, and what that constellation of UN “grass roots” expansion TRULY MEANS!!!!

ALL the UN NGOs will become 666 vacuums, to channel people to the wildbeast, come recovery into 8th King rise time!

And fitting the Bethel UN NGO OBJECTIVE, with a twist, that of UN System Omissions”, they disseminate the UN World Government goal, BY NOT SAYING ANYTHING WHATSOEVER >>>ALSO<<< about the enormity of the “United Nations System” ITSELF!

Now, more than nations can affiliate and join the UN System! It was a logical step down into national, state and local levels, to prepare for INDIVIDUALS to also join the 666 “UN SYSTEM”, come the time for full blown world government, with 1000 times the “world peace” fanfare as those big post WW2 urban celebrations!

The UN NGOs and UN IGOs will help fan the “admiration” to a global flame of global “world peace” hope!

1. The wildbeast recovery from the global crisis inspires global admiration:

(Revelation 13:3) And I saw one of its heads as though slaughtered to death, but its death-stroke got healed, and all the earth FOLLOWED THE WILDBEAST WITH ADMIRATION.

2. The United Nations future revival, from the final global crisis “sword stroke” “abyss” context of UN inability to keep “world peace”, will inspire great world admiration and hopefulness:

(Revelation 17:8) The wild beast that you saw was, but is not, and yet is about to ascend out of the abyss, and it is to go off into destruction. And when they see how the wild beast was, but is not, and yet will be present, those who dwell on the earth WILL WONDER ADMIRINGLY, but their names have not been written upon the scroll of life from the founding of the world.

UN NGOs will play a key role for the average man, to amp up that ADMIRATION.



So just keep researching the UN System, UN NGOs, etc, and the real thing, “too big to see”, and “hidden in plain sight”, the far more ominous reality, becomes more and more obvious.

Bethel threw a curve and a UN NGO smokebomb, that actually distracts attention from the purpose of the whole UN NGO system, while we focused on their single UN NGO travesty.

And Bethel is also basically a UN Secretariat “departmental attache and partnered affiliate” too boot! That TOO has fallen off the overall radar.

The UN NGO was a nice distraction, that got Bethel’s foot in the door, like with OSCE, to more peripheral, now UN IGO, lobbying, such as OSCE.

And we can bet, the more one looks into things like the OSCE UN IGO, the more we will find JWs out in the lobby of those wildbeast “outer onion ring” “UN NGO Clusters” around those UN IGOs (Intergovernmental Organizations), to influence legislation, which ultimately is UN aiding legislation.

Bethel is potentially a “Wildbeast Lobby” all over the planet now.

Just get the UN IGO list, and search with “bethel” or “Christian congregation” or “Jehovah’s witnesses” or “watchtower bible and tract society”, and I’ll bet many more Bethel “legislation lobbies” will pop up.

I know there is one in Mexico as guys was exposing on his blog, but forgot what it was called.

And that is where Bethel is rubbing elbows with th rest of the BTG brothelites, all working for the UN agenda. one way, or another. Now Bethel could “disperse” to the UN IGOs nucleus, and no one notices.

All in a days work for Dirty Dealer Apostate and Subverted Bethel, all in a days work. Got JWs globally lobbying or the Wildbeast System, under various “humanitarian”, “religious freedom”, “bloodless surgery” and “cooperation” UN “lamb talk” cloaks. Duped.


[QUOTE who=”Rip Van Chandler”]<quoted text>
No, I just don’t consider your blather to be much value as information.
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Or in other words, I would rather just ignore the downfall of the US Republic and world government to come in its stead, until it is well too late. zzzz zzzz zzz

[QUOTE who=”Mind Reader Chandler”]The issue was how “Jews” and “Zionists” have specifically kept YOU down. You didn’t address it. You can’t, of course, because you’re a jealous hater who very likely hasn’t gotten what you feel you “deserve” in life, and irrationally blame “Jews” and “Zionists” for your own failures. You’re not unique, pal. There are literally tons of people like you who weave/believe silly tales like the ones you’re posting here. Imagine if you put the same effort into going out and getting what you imagine you’re entitled to.
<quoted text>[/QUOTE]

Not the case. You are trying to project a presumption you are familiar with from the anti-Zionists and so-called “anti-semites”, which sentiments I do not subscribe to. You took a shot in the dark, and missed. Good try. Non issue.

[QUOTE who=”Everyone is Against myZion Chandler”]As I said in my previous response, I have a number of views I’d otherwise be willing to exchange with you if you weren’t a complete and total dolt. Since you are a complete and total dolt, and because you seem to be running away from the actual issue I brought up to which you first replied, I’m not going to bother.
<quoted text>[/QUOTE]

You did not raise an “issue”, you tried to play mind reader and failed. In the meantime I think you are in deep denial of the end of your nation-state sandcastle as you see the globalist tide role in. But you would rather deny the US Nation-State Sand Castle is in its path, and hope the tide miraculously turns.

But it won’t, instead the tidal wave will push it in soon, like people aint ever seen is all global history. A tsunami of debt coups across the US and EU national debt don systems. Pawned. (Dan11:42-43)

[QUOTE who=”Old FH Chandler”]The “old” world order respected the sovereignty of the individual. Under the “old” world order, both individual rights AND responsibilities were paramount to the preservation of the [nation] State, its institutions and its social-engineering experiments. And under the “old” world order, even the State was not to be subject to unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats either in another State or on another continent who imagined they, in the name of “fairness” and “equity” had the right to impose their views on others.

If I’m a product of that “old” world order, I’m proud to be so.

But technocrats run your government now, especially through the real power in Washington: The Department of the Treasury and Wall Street. Get out much?

You did not notice what “The US Super Congress” and TPP have done to your cherished old order?

You merely echo the myths of your state, with the rest of the meaningless nation-state political diversions into meaningless party philosophies that will go and have gone nowhere.

In the meantime the “Republicans” and the “Democrats” have fused into one Neo-Con New Washington “order”, but you remain admiring Abraham Lincoln and its mythologies, which enabled the second US “Constitution 2.0”, for Washington’s private “District of Columbia” sovereign technocratic counterpart of the “The City” of London”.

Where in, you still by the myth:

“”And under the “old” world order, even the State was not to be subject to unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats either in another State or on another continent who imagined they, in the name of “fairness” and “equity” had the right to impose their views on others.”””

However, that is NOT the case, and you missed the game. In fact that is exactly what has happened to the US national government, run by an unelected, private, globalist, financial technocracy. That statement you made is your junior high school “pie in the sky” “American Dream” that you focused on instead.

Time to wake up from your Dream State.

[QUOTE who=” I AM HE”]<quoted text>
why is it SO IMPORTANT to YOU and other worldwide apostates that candice conti be paid the original 30 MILLION dollars
i WILL tell you
its because at the time of candice contis lawsuit all of the society’s assets were tied up with their Brooklyn properties which was worth a MEASLY 1 billion dollars
so ALL it would of taken too bankrupt the society at THAT TIME was for just 35 more successful lawsuits at 30 million a pop like the candice conti one and the wtower society would of been TOTALLY bankrupt and destroyed
but now that apostates have shown their poker hand in this area so to speak the society has NOW because of the NEW ownership of kingdom halls worldwide gotten control of the net worth and value of EVERY kingdom hall WORLDWIDE
this has NOW resulted in the wtower being worth 20 BILLION worldwide INSTEAD just the original one billion !
aPOStates let the wtower off the hook when they ALMOST had the society in their apostate fishing net !!!!!!!
so with the candice conti reduction and NOW loss by apostates at the royal commission aPOStates have LOST the ENTIRE WAR they were waging to bankrupt the wtower to begin with !
that is WHY the candice conti LANDMARK REDUCTION was such a DISASTER for apostates worldwide
so now worldwide apostates are in situation where ALL they have left to do is GO GET DRUNK AND CRY !!!!!!!!!!![/QUOTE]

But that 20 Billion will not be available. Bethel runs an “organizational” finacial layer, and a globalist King North layer. (Dan11:32a)

The billions will go to the UN Globalizing Architects (God will allow it because they joined the UN Secretariat as UN NGO [1], JWs will lose almost, if not, everything, and they will try to stall the ministry as officially cancelled by Bethel itself.

In reality they were liquidating to get as many billions out of the Bethel system layer of doomed finances, BEFORE Bethel hits the fan in the near future.

But I am glad you see they are worth 20 billion, and have Skim LaUNdered another 10 billion since 1980.

Bethel has hi-jacked propehcy that will fulfill, but not as soon as Bethel teaches. This will alow Bethel to ell their end to JWs, as if “the end”.

But it has several more years to go to world government 8th King global rise. Bethel will sell the 7th King King South (Dan11:42-43) required fall as if “the end”.

As Bethel is globally invaded in the future, by design, as Daniel 11:41 as Daniel 8:13 “trampling” context, Bethel will tell JWs they are seeing Daniel 111:44 activate—but it will be way way too soon, as Russia and or any other “coalition of nations”, is the decoy for the final Revelation 13:3 “sword stroke” cycle to “heal” into 8th King/King North world government. [2]


How UN NGO Bethel Joined the “UN System” under the “UN Secretariat” Principal UN Organ


Russia Framed as King North—The Purpose

Bethel’s Armageddon Hoax Basics



[QUOTE who=”Sparlock”]<quoted text>
I hope.
I flock.
It takes wild contortions to get the Watchtower 2 hope doctrine.
Let’s not forget that this whole Watchtower 2 hope doctrine was only invented because they realized the 144,000 number was too small to support their doctrinal claims.
This dogma is not scriptural. It was invented decades ago to try to keep the religion afloat.[/QUOTE]


The Bible though, is not “dogma” of religions, but promises of God Almighty.

There is evidence the Eden Purpose of God shall be met upon planet Earth, where in God’s will is done:

1. On Earth

2. As in Heaven

TWO realms of the will of God to be 100%.

It is so extensive and physically relatable it is called Genesis 2.0, or the “Re Creation” or the “Re Generation” of physical perfection for more than just human beings:

(Matthew 19:28) Jesus said to them: “Truly I say to you, In the re-creation, when the Son of man sits down upon his glorious throne. . .

That “throne” is of the Messianic Kingdom which completes with the 144000 completion of Revelation 7:1-4, and Revelation 14:1-7, of the future.

Earth is the “Trophy Planet” for Jesus Christ to inherit all its nations, man and animal, etc:

(Psalm 2:7-8) “[Allow] me [to] refer to the decree of Jehovah; He has said to me: “You are my son; I, today, I have become your father.  8 Ask of me, that I may give nations as your inheritance And the ends of the earth as your own possession.

(John 6:39) This is the will of him that sent me, that I SHOULD LODE NOTHING out of all that he has given me but that I should RESURRECT IT at the last day.

Say what??? What is “IT”?

And so more than humans will be “re created” in everlasting perfection.

(Ezekiel 47:9) . . .And it must occur that EVERY living soul that swarms, in every place to which the double-size torrent comes, will get life. And it must occur that there will be very many fish, because there is where this water will certainly come, and the [seawater] will be healed, and EVERYTHING WILL BE ALIVE where the torrent comes.

That torrent is also called the “River of Life” on earth.

(Revelation 22:1-3A) . . .And he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, flowing out from the throne of God and of the Lamb 2 down the middle of its broad way. And on this side of the river and on that side [there were] trees of life producing twelve crops of fruit, yielding their fruits each month. And the leaves of the trees [were] for the curing of the nations. 3 And no more will there be any curse.

(Ezekiel 47:12) Their leafage will not wither, nor will their fruitage be consumed.

Thus it is a “world” sinful human mankind can scarcely imagine.

The “curse” was death of more than just human beings, Adam and Eve were the top of Creational Pyramid, as death entered through them, into all the world:

(Genesis 1:26-28) . . .And God went on to say: “Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness, and let them have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and the domestic animals and all the earth and every moving animal that is moving upon the earth.” 27 And God proceeded to create the man in his image, in God’s image he created him; male and female he created them. 28 Further, God blessed them and God said to them: “Be fruitful and become many and fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving upon the earth.”

That “blessing” turned to the death curses of Genesis 3:14-17.

But that “curse”, “no more will there be ANY curse”, is turned to the blessing under Jesus Christ, King Life under God Almighty, LIFE itself.

(Psalm 133:3) . . .It is like the dew of Hermon That is descending upon the mountains of Zion. For there Jehovah commanded the blessing, LIFE to time indefinite.

(Psalm 145:16) . . .You are opening your hand And satisfying the desire of every living thing.

An important driving “desire” of EVERY “living thing”, is to continue living.

The “Re Creation” accomplishes that divine purpose of the deathlessness, or everlasting life, of Eden.

Because the “Re Creational Pyramid”, that allowed death into the Edenic world, and into earth, will now be “plugged in” by Christ the “life giving spirit” of indestructible life power:

(Hebrews 7:16) . . .according to the power of an indestructible life. . .

Everything on Earth changes when dead Satan and his death spirit is “unplugged”, as Christ is “plugged in” to the Genesis 1:26-28 hierarchy as “last Adam”.

(Hebrews 2:14-16) . . .Therefore, since the “young children” are sharers of blood and flesh, he also similarly partook of the same things, that through his death he might bring to nothing the one having the means to cause death, that is, the Devil; 15 and [that] he might emancipate all those who for fear of death were subject to slavery all through their lives. 16 For he is really not assisting angels at all, but he is assisting Abraham’s seed.

Which brings us back to Genesis 3:14-15, but under the life blessing, from God, through Christ, hence The ReCreation of Genesis 2.0 under Christ, “Last Adam” and the immortal “life giving spirit”. That kind of power, will have its benefits on Earth.

Modern Bethel is just a foretold temporary UN allied apostasy. Their days are numbered. (Dan8:13-14)


[QUOTE who=”Lordylordy9111″]The Rothschilds created the UN. Bethel should know better than joining this mother son team. They know that the mother gave birth to this wild beast and that satan gave both the power to create war by it. Out of the womb come this beast and it lives by its mother’s gold and silver.
Satan who is the father is not popular and he wpuld have failed withoutt the Rothschilds and her seed who makes war. This is why when satan received hos kingdom it produce power to generate to give the authority to the mother womb and her seed the wild beast.
She is the heart. This is why she protects it by staying out of sight. She is concealing her heart. If she is discovered her secrets are revealed.
The woman is the power behind everything, even God’s organization. If her womb is killed the seed of God is dead.
Shame on Bethel for its union with such a sick bride of satan.[/QUOTE]

It is a deception of “prophetic proportions”, most JWs have either not heard of the UN NGO, brushed it off or had the watered down awareness of what of just WHAT the UN is as the Global Nucleus of World Government.

JWs have forgotten or never knew what the first witnessing was all about, they have been distracted, diverted, stalled and “rinse cycled” into mental oblivion, but not a clean wash that is for sure, just a Total Dumbing Down that requires Satanic aid (Zech3:1-3; 2Thess2:9).

And with prophecy God reveals the nature of the subversion, BOTH apostasy from the “holy covenant”, impostors and the seed of Satan is present INSIDE of Bethel. King North guides the apostasy as explicitly stated at Daniel 11:32a. But the “weeds” are from Satan from the get-go, they are not defectors, they are seeded in enemies.

The “man of lawlessness” grand father in Christendom of old had to be holy covenant defectors since after the days of the apostles, the modern “man of lawlessness” has to also be anointed Christians at Bethel, I assume some not all, but the ones in the leadership, that went defective. The GB power trip was a signal of them. The UN NGO is proof what they are up to, either they are in on it, or they are too defective to see the discernment of it, so either way they are out.

Some of the impostors can be supports to the “seed of Satan”, his actual progeny “offspring of vipers” that also arose in the time of Christ, because that “seed” bruised him “in the heel”, it had to be direct Satanic progeny of Genesis 3:15 truth.

But imo to maximize the blasphemy AT BETHEL, INSIDE of the controlling center of the ministry, things like the GB and key WTS background string pullers must now be “seed of Satan”, never anointed to start with, deceptive infiltrators on life long mission from their birth to youth to “Bethel service”, expert deceivers, and now owning and operating the ministry to complete the ruination. Satan puts HIS OWN “anointed” in to masquerade as “anointed Christians”, because that maximizes the blasphemy and that is why he is involved INSIDE of Bethel:

(2 Thessalonians 2:9-10) But the lawless one’s presence is according to the operation of Satan with every powerful work and lying signs and portents 10 and with every unrighteous deception for those who are perishing, as a retribution because they did not accept the love of the truth that they might be saved.

Now as with Christendom not all will perish, just those who lose the “love of the truth”, it forms a basis of the temple judgment in the future too:

(2 Thessalonians 2:11-12) So that is why God lets an operation of error go to them, that they may get to believing the lie, 12 in order that they all may be judged because they did not believe the truth but took pleasure in unrighteousness.

“That they may be judged” is the anointed Christian “temple judgment” and a judgment can go good or bad, just “being judged” in itself does not mean condemnation as a default. As in ALL the past judgments of God “in the temple”, whether Israel, Jerusalem, or Christendom and now Jehovah’s witnesses, it is for the primary purpose of a jolt to repentance, as God can and will also aid the awareness, at the same level of aneglic aid, but holy angelic aid and holy spirit, that he allowed Satan to use his spirit and demons formerly, to even get JWs to the point it is today. God had to allow the “operation of error”, all based on the first error, even allowing the “governing body” Babel term to be uttered in 1944, then accepted in ERROR.

In time the “Governing Body” “lifted up” the capitalization to the “governing body” to that title in 1971. It was a HINT of them beginning to “lift themselves over everyone”, so that by 1976, against the advice of Knorr and Fred Franz, they went dictatorial coup, and soon there after renamed the original mundane corporate “board of directors” to the “Governing Body”.

So as per Daniel 8:12 is was “gradually given over” to this other agenda, very subtly, very cleverly, and over decades, to get to the spiritual ruination of today’s even UN allied Bethel condition. Like the “boiling a frog” principle, or the leaven, JWs were so gradually profaned, many have not even noticed, it was 1944-1976, so long ago, it had become the backdrop “business as usual” of our lives. It seemed like “the way it always was”, but that is NOT the case.

Now “certain men have slipped in”, as Jude warned in principle, and in the principle of the “weeds” of the seed of Satan and its impostor superts, they have to had been allowed to “grow together” for the whole ministry. When Bethel claimed in 1959 and 1993, in the “organization” books of their own era, that:

*** jv chap. 6 p. 68 A Time of Testing (1914-1918) ***

What became of those opposers and their supporters? After the January 1918 annual meeting, the opposing ones splintered off…

Well the truth is some were removed, true, but some were stumbled. God knows; but what is also the truth there were others who STAYED at Bethel, to regroup for 1944, the real “weeds” remained at Bethel, to eventually outwait JF Rutherford, and to then re-emerge in 1944, with the “governing body” term, AFTER JFR had died. Now although there were TWO former “board” coup attempts, one in 1897 and one in 1917, the 1976 one was successful, because by then the 1944 “governing body” had already been accepted as valid, when in fact the very entity is not Biblical, originated in Babel, is also the Masonic method of management, and is the heart of ALL of Christendom’s churches, papacies, and clergies. All the mainstream have a “governing body” in some form, “supreme council”, “synod” etc. And that is how those national and “world councils” of churches were early on endorsing th League and UN, they were also infiltrated and controlled by their own “boards”, same thing, and the same thing at Bethel today.

With JWs in general we have a mix as well, some who left due to the UN NGO, some inexperienced, some uninformed, some severely dumbed down and or distracted, some shallow rooted seeds, some the “smoothness” just appeals to them (Dan11:32-35) they have fallen for what is now a Fake Faith.

But there are some who can and will be recovered in some manner, who in time will have to come to understand the true severity of the illegal GB (1944 first peep of the term), their illegal “King Omri”-to-“Modern GB King Ahab” usurpation of the ministry (1976), and OF COURSE their UN alliances as UN NGO and still a “consultative status” for various UN IGOs out there. Bethel “mother” is now Jezebel.

(Hosea 2:5) 5 For their mother has committed fornication. She that was pregnant with them has acted shamefully, for she has said, ‘I want to go after those (UN Globalists) passionately loving me, those (Globalist Financiers) giving my bread and my water, my wool and my linen, my oil and my drink.’

That “mother” is NOT the “Jerusalem above and she is our mother”, so it is another seed in action from “Mother Bethel”.

This is so dead serious the Daniel 8:13-14 “right condition” must now be met (Dan11:41 is what will activate not Daniel 11:44 as will be the Bethel cover story), and it WILL BE of “Biblical proportions” when Bethel finally hears from God DIRECTLY in the temple judgment. And it is required to remove the main impediment to the modern truth of continued UN development and it being prophecy.

Bethel is not just UN NGO, they covered up that 1990 3rd UN presentation which of course is UN1-2-3 in prophecy to continue the 1919 and 1945 expose’s when the “first witness” was clean and valid in its day, prior to GB subversions as budded in 1944.

Not an accident it was two years after Rutherford had died, during the WW2 confusions.

But very conveniently, once we see what is going on INSIDE of Bethel, they are also the Apostate Nucleus in which everything they cover up, can be known later, and explained, everything they cover up, is what we know must come forth to form the final warning in time, after that “stranger’s voice” at apostate Bethel is silenced.

(Hosea 4:5) And I will put your mother to silence.

God’s voice of the real Shepherd Christ will come back, in whatever manner God may “cause it to occur”. (Rev11:3)


[QUOTE who=”Lordylordy9111″]Well said Betheljudgment. Fire represents judgment and it purifies. The judgment going on now is purifying because if you’re not worthy you will become bad like Bethel who will lose what God gave them that began with a good man Rutherford.
But if you are approved God will give you the world. [/QUOTE]

The “fire” global temple context for purification of the “temple” is what will bring about the “right condition” of Daniel 8:14. The purpose is not total destruction, but spiritual and truth purifications and clarification, there first (1Pet4:17).

(Daniel 8:14) So he said to me: “Until two thousand three hundred evenings [and] mornings; and [the] HOLY PLACE will certainly be brought into its RIGHT CONDITION.”

(1 Peter 4:17) For it is the appointed time for the judgment TO START with the house of God.

Temple Judgment “Fire Purification” Parallels

All this “fire” links all these prophecies to activate with Daniel 8:13-14 events that lead to the purified “right condition” before the final warning can be fully clarified, and totally commissioned by God, as aided by the events, dual phasing (Dan8:26) and verification timing of Daniel 8:13-14.

(I speculate 3.19 years of “evening” and then 3.19″ years of “morning” recovery to lead to the final 1260 days in a manner that will get clearer after the “right condition” is truly met.)

That temple purifying “fire” is crossed linked in these temple judgment parallels:

1. Revelation 8:3-5 temple judgment parallel of the “fire of the altar” purification that activates with Daniel 8:13-14 in the Daniel 11:41 Bethel JWorg “invasion” “enter the decoration” visible epicenter of the temple judgment “earthquake” of Revelation 8:5:

(Revelation 8:5) But right away the angel took the incense vessel, and he filled it with some of the FIRE OF THE ALTAR and hurled it to the earth. (Anointed and JW Christian “earth” focus of the temple judgment) And thunders occurred and voices and lightnings and an earthquake. (temple judgment “quake” wake up (Matt25:1-13) rocker);

2. The “log snatched from the “fire”” of Zechariah 3:1-5 purification of the “Joshua” “befouled garments” state.

(Zechariah 3:1-3) And he proceeded to show me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of Jehovah, and Satan standing at his right hand in order to resist him. 2 Then [the angel of] Jehovah said to Satan: “Jehovah rebuke you, O Satan, yes, Jehovah rebuke you, he who is choosing Jerusalem! Is this one not a log SNATCHED OUT OF THE FIRE?” 3 Now as for Joshua, he happened to be clothed in befouled garments and standing before the angel.

3. The Malachi temple judgment purifications:

(Malachi 3:2-4) “But who will be putting up with the day of his coming, and who will be the one standing when he appears? For he will be like the FIRE OF A REFINER and like the lye of laundrymen. 3 And he must sit as a REFINER AND A CLEANSER of silver and must cleanse the sons of Levi; and he must clarify them like gold and like silver, and they will certainly become to Jehovah people presenting a gift offering in righteousness. 4 And the gift offering of Judah and of Jerusalem will actually be gratifying to Jehovah, as in the days of long ago and as in the years of antiquity.

A. The purpose is to make that “constant feature” gift offering pleasing to God by being truthful and complete.

4. The Ezekiel 10 “holy city” purifications:

(Ezekiel 10:2) And he proceeded to say to the man clothed with the linen, even to say: “Enter in between the wheelwork, in under the cherubs, and fill the hollows of both your hands with COALS OF FIRE from between the cherubs and toss [them] over the city.” So he entered in before my eyes.

And with Daniel 8:13-14 massive temple “evening” desolation “trampling” events, the Daniel 8:14 timing will verify that possible initial 3.19 years of “the evening” of the “trampling”, for the eventual “the morning” of the temple and ministerial recovery in a pure state (of possible 3.19 additional preparatory years (with Rev9 events of the “invading” recovery of truth), but still requiring the full clarification of the the final warning, BEFORE God gives the full true commission.

So realistically this will all take some time to sink in to anointed Christians and JWs and others entering repentance, which produces that part of the purification by admission and acceptance of reality, to become approved; such as the “five discreet virgins” and “faithful slave” designate developments to come with the approval upon repentance, and of course admitting the “wrong condition” state, to the full, that the GB had led Bethel to, for King North as his temple puppets, as per Daniel 11:32a.

God must dictate that true final commission (Zech3:6-9; Matt24:45-47; Rev10:8-11), pure and truthful, as Revelation 9 5th and 6th trumpets, carry forth the meanings of the first 4 temple judgment applicable trumpets (Rev8:6-12), as it all envelopes Revelation 10, to Revelation 11:1-7 1260 days final warning commission, with clear evidence and summarization of the whole Bethel apostasy, its UN prophecy cover up, and the GB source of the apostasy exposed in the whole process.

And the “temple” will be truly in the “right condition” when that “Jerusalem” “log” is snatched from the “fire” and “Jerusalem” is chosen as per Zechariah 3:2, that is the anointed Christian vessel will carry for the second witnessing, as selected, purified, and commissioned as it progresses in the Daniel 8:14,26 “the morning” recovery (Rev9 “light” from the “abyss” “darkness” “evening” of the temple judgment), toward full commission of Revelation 10:8-11 “go and take the little scroll”, for the whole summary of Revelation 10:5-7:

(Revelation 10:6-7) he swore: “There will be no delay any longer; 7 but in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to blow his trumpet, the sacred secret of God according to the good news which he declared to his own slaves the prophets is indeed brought to a finish.”

And the temple judgment purifications and clarifications are to prepare a fully complete and valid final warning condition BEFORE God commissions the true final 1260 days warning, as pictured in Isaiah’s purifcation:

“Two Witnesses” Purification for Final Commission of “Little Scroll” Second Witnessing

5. Which is the “per-commission” cleansing of the “second witness” parallel of Isaiah being cleansed BEFORE he was commissioned:


(Isaiah 6:6-7) At that, one of the seraphs flew to me, and in his hand there was a glowing coal that he had taken with tongs off the altar. 7 And he proceeded to touch my mouth and to say: “Look! This has touched your lips, and your error has departed and your sin itself is atoned for.”


(Isaiah 6:8-9) And I began to hear the voice of Jehovah saying: “Whom shall I send, and who will go for us?” And I proceeded to say: “Here I am! Send me.” 9 And he went on to say: “Go, and you must say to this people, ‘Hear again (first witness) and again… (second witness)

Globalists “in the temple” eventually meet the cleansing “angel of the Covenant” here, as that “the evening” turns to “the morning” of temple recovery:

(Isaiah 31:6-9) “Return, you people, to the One against whom the sons of Israel have gone deep in their revolt. 7 For in that day they will reject each one his worthless gods of silver and his valueless gods of gold, that your hands have made for yourselves as a sin. (JWorg idolatries, GB golden calf, UN NGO, etc)

8a And the

(parallel King North temple intruders (Dan11:32a; Dan11:41))

8a Assyrian must fall by the sword (Hos1:4-7; Mich5:5-6), not [that of] a man; and a sword (Isa37:36), not [that of] earthling man, will devour him.

(Hence the Rev9 “Destroyer” “visits” the temple for full purification by removal of all the impostors)

8b And HE MUST FLEE BECAUSE OF THE SWORD, and his own young men (infiltrators) will come to be for forced labor itself.

(“compulsory service of death”; Job7:1, 14:14; but some “flee” when they catch on this is all very real come “angel of the covenant” “destroyer” time to open the “abyss” lid of “the evening” of the Dan8:14 timed temple “trampling”.)

9 And his own crag (the UN-Bethel “burning mountain” Rev8:9 UN “annex) will pass away out of sheer fright, and BECAUSE OF THE SIGNAL his (globalists) princes must be terrified,” is the utterance of Jehovah, whose light is in Zion and whose FURNACE is in Jerusalem.

Now we know where this globally seen signal “smoke” comes from:

(Revelation 9:2) And he opened the pit of the abyss, and smoke ascended out of the pit as the smoke of a great furnace, and the sun was darkened, also the air, by the smoke of the pit.

And we know the King North globalists had more “fire” in store, to the point of JW destruction, and so the “log” is left in the “fire” only long enough to create the global context of the “purification”, then the “angel of the covenant” “snatches” the “log” from that temple conflagration. Of course God will get the credit, in time, for saving JWs arses, because had this error and globalist operation kept going on, JWs would have been done, toast, ashes, pawned, ceased.

But as “the evening” ends, the globalist temple trespassers start to get the weird events of their GUARANTEED EXPULSION, in “the city” of their ouster, just like the Assyrians got in the old days of Israel.

Isaiah anti-666 Prophecy I like to call this one:

(Isaiah 66:6) There is a sound of uproar out of the city, a sound out of the temple! It is the sound of Jehovah repaying what is deserved to his enemies.

Though some will “flee”, you can bet some globalists and the GB presumably, will be toast, and it will free up the ministry by shutting all their mouths, and getting them out of the ministry. Of course the globalists are not going to publicize these events, but you can bet your life God is going to trash a few of these trespassers and escort the rest out, neutralized, one way, or the other.

And you can also bet your life, they will NOT be “slipping in” any longer.

(Zechariah 9:8) And I will encamp as an outpost for my house, so that there will be no one passing through and no one returning; and there will no more pass through them a taskmaster, for now I have seen [it] with my eyes.

(Hosea 9:16) 16 Ephraim must be struck down. Their very root must dry up. There will be no fruit that they produce. Also, in case they bring to birth, I will even put to death the desirable things of their belly.”

The “desirable things of their belly” are the intrigues these globalists like to bring from their “viper womb” as they did at Bethel for years. But no more, when the temple is truly “certainly be brought into its RIGHT CONDITION.”

Thank God! And Christ!

The world will “see” the visible JW-organization desolations and the “smoke” of that purifying judgment. And it will be fully explained later.

Though it is a “temple judgment” of anointed Christians, anointed cannot be “seen”, but the Bethel visible entity can be seen, and that is why God will use the apostate JW-organization as a high profile notorious “trampling” that can be connected to the anointed Christian “temple” spiritual judgment it actually is, later, with huge evidence of the sacking and desolation of Bethel, for UN NGO Daniel 8:13 “transgression CAUSING DESOLATION” to the JW org visible epicenter of the HUGE coming judgment events.

And so that “because of the SIGNAL”, these events will be “to make others understand what has been heard”:

(Isaiah 28:18-19) And your covenant with Death will certainly be dissolved, and that vision of yours with Sheol will not stand. The overflowing flash flood, when it passes through—you must also become for it a trampling place. 19 As often as it passes through, it will take you men away, because morning by morning it will pass through, during the day and during the night; and it must become nothing but a reason for quaking TO MAKE OTHERS UNDERSTAND what has been heard.” (Dan11:41; Dan8:13-14)

And that new understanding of the temple judgment and everything else to come to light, will proceed all the way through the recovery, and all the way into and through the second witnessing final warning, and final Kingdom announcement which it is all leading to, as it all leads to the events that signal the true final Christ arrival in total power. (Rev11:11-19; Rev19:11-16, Matt24:29-31)

God will make sure JWs are rocked first (by that Rev8:5 temple judgment “earthquake”, and the nations overall (Dan11:41-43; Rev13:3):

(Haggai 2:7) “‘And I will rock all the nations, and the desirable things of all the nations must come in; and I will fill this house with glory,’ Jehovah of armies has said.

For the purpose of waking up many people who will see these things, and more, the things it will continue to progress towards, like 7th King downfall, King South pawning with the “tribulation of those days”, to heal into the eventual 8th King rise (Rev11:7; Rev17:8-13), and King North world government. (Dan11:45; Dan8:25)

8th King World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3; Dan12:11), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years. And in the progress to the “healing” and its world government presentation purpose, many people can start to catch on as to how serious and very real this all really is, it is leading to Christ arrival, with clear, what will become year over year, milestone world developmental evidence in that direction.

Because Bethel will not divulge that SIMPLE SUMMARY (Rev10:5-11), they are removed first in the process. (1Pet4:17; Isa28) Bethel is removed first, because Christendom goes down under world government (Rev17:15-18), their global scale is too enormous to be concentrated on at this time. Bethel is the perfect place for a prophetic proportions SIGNAL judgment to occur, and that first and soon. (Dan8:13-14; Zech3:1-5; Mal3:1-5; Rev8:3-5)


[QUOTE who=”Beelzebub Hook”]The problem with the Russian Federation is it is weak, as in the past there strength is greatly over estimated. Russia just lost control of the pro Moscow government in Kyiv which is now pro Western. The FSB was particularly ineffective there and elsewhere in Ukraine. This is a big loss for Russia. Things have not been going well for the Russian Bear. Worse they cannot live with sustained oil prices under 60 dollars. The economic slowdown in China and Europe are driving oil prices lower, this is very bad economic news for Russia. The truth is they could not even keep let alone take Ukraine which is directly on there boarder which matters far more to Russia than Syria.

Syria and Iraq are like Lebanon in which the previous imposed European nation states have dissolved. They have been replaced by a large number of warlords. ISIS is loathed by Iran, the Saudis, Iraqis, the Turks, the warlord Assad and virtually all other warlords. Pretty much everyone hates ISIS.

Turkey is the real one to watch, they are the critical power that will decide how things will go. The Turks have a modern well equipped million man army.

A weak Russia that wants to be great but physically can’t is the real danger. The other unmentioned threat is conflict is coming to Europe and Europe matters much more.

While it may be fun to indulge in fear manipulation by shoehorned religious fantasies on imagined current events this has nothing to do with actual reality.[/QUOTE]

That is all part of the “Global Play”.

World Peace Everyone!

1. Expect a HUGE “EPIC WAR” to nicely resolve into UN World Peace to pitch the World Government totality rising.

2. Expect the EU and US financial meltdowns and transitions into globalist wealth pawning (Dan11:42-43) to be blamed on everyone but the globalist corporate and banking system.

A. The 8th King comes after the 7th King has fallen. King North comes after King South becomes a “she” is subservient nation-state system. (Dan11:42-43)]

World War is Engineered—World Peace Will also be Engineered—to Pitch World Government

Everything else is just the “global play” and the global distraction.

What we know from globalism history research is the wealth and elite tier of world power has been puppeteering the nations for massive profits based on world war scale military spending. That PREPARATION is phenomenal in scale in pre-war planning and development required for such massive military multi-national events.

This is aided by increasingly complex, expanding and globalized financial and investment markets and corporate NETWORKS to channel everyone and his mothers nation-state monies and human resources to the military effort by fueling the industrial and tech development expansion process, which is put on steroids come “world war” time.

WW1 as it later got named and numbered after WW2, was a unique example of the cyclic use of such massive war efforts to re-engineer portions of the national systems, expand the industrial tech and central banking model, fully installing it into combatant and investment supporting nations, and then using it is destructive (WW1,WW2) or constructive phases of world war (Cold War; GWOT).

The skinny is world war is as engineered as is any system, technology, weapon or logistics that supports it.

It takes intelligent planning to prepare for world war, at massive tech profits, to implement in more profit, to deploy as a war or world war for more profit, and to “reparation phase” at even more profit, as the elite war machine and its backing financial and investment network expands with the top now trans-national corporations that plan the war phases—globalist system profiting the entire time, in every world war cycle, as the national system goes down in debt.


Thus world war is engineered, and so will “world peace” be engineered come the time to sell everyone on earth the WORLD GOVERNMENT “global solution”. It is a global con game. Russia and China elites are as in on it as the Anglo-American elites, it is all a team effort. When the “world war” resolves after a few years, and it will, they will all come out as the World Government UN Elite Kings. No wonder they are all “in on it” (Dan11:36-39), some people do in fact “want to rule the world” FOR REAL.

To see Russian and Chinese global positioning for eventual NATO unification, all one has to do is look at the Global NATO Unified Combatant Command map** of planet Earth, to see what they are doing. The clue is NATO is already running their spheres of Anglo American empire power.

NATO Unified Combatant Command


Now if one looks at the 6 NATO global commands, we see how Russia (USEUCOM) and China (USPACOM) are very conveniently positioned in their own massive spheres of eventual NATO alliance and domination for the team world government effort:


Think that is all “accidental” how Russia and China just so happen to be poised in their own enormous global domination sectors?

World War, Then World Government, Easy Peasy Japaneasy—Play the Nations Like a Fiddle

As we look at ALL the world war cycles, whether hot or “cold” (Dan11:29), THREE SO FAR, we know they ALL RESOLVED very conveniently into a UN “we must have world peace” pitch of the “image of the wildbeast” globalist elite world governmental nucleus in formation, ALL THREE TIMES!

We weren’t born yesterday folks; this is the FOURTH CYCLE of just such a convenient formula to push World Government and its “world peace” supposed objective.

So expect a final George Bush Sr. foretold “epic war”…

“Because the cold war’s battle of ideas is not the last epic battle…”

…expect it to run its massive course (Rev13:3; Dan11:40-41), and:

1. Expect a grand finale world war “sword stroke” with Russia and China as the focus “bad guys” (along with Islam/Iran for the “Global Crusade” effect)…

2. Expect Russia and China to eventually and conveniently “capitulate” by pre-planned design into a TRUE GLOBAL UN-NATO, and…

3. Expect the fourth UN global-presentation to be in “World Peace everyone!” (1Thess5:1-3) mode (Isa41:1), to then be the complete “Scarlet Wildbeast” “8th King”/”King North” world government system.

4. Expect that World Government to rebrand the UN and NATO in some nice Global Buzzterm “New World Order” “world peace for all” wholesomeness, in a “sword stroke-to-healing” recovering post world war “ascension” (Rev17:8-13),

5. Expect the UN to seem to go down, and then to “admiringly” “revive” (Rev17:8) from that coming Global “Sword Stroke”, to, all so very very conveniently and “admirably” “heal” (Rev13:3), and relieve everyone with great global hopefulness as foretold (rather than “WW3” “doomsday”), to sell their World Government and its 666 of allegiance to everyone at global scale. (Dan8:25; Dan11:45)


It Is All a Global Formula and a Con

A. Their “World Peace” is based on a global military NATO-centric monopoly, a “Supreme Global Court” “United Nations” for world peace and world government, and all the “participating” nations, ALL of them, fully financially and militarily pawned. (Dan11:42-43)

B. All the global elites in the Anglo-American system, the Asian system and the Russian and European system are all already “in on it” since 1914 and “World War 1”, for this now predictable and foretold purpose: A final Global Government opposed to God’s Kingdom.

C. (That is also when Global “Babylon the Great” Religion is deposed. (Rev16:12,20; Rev19:1-2; Rev17:15-18; Rev18))

D. But that is the perfect and required time for Christ to also arrive.

Kick the Lion of the Universe

6. At that “world government” time, THEN EXPECT Christ to show up, when they are completed (Rev16:13-16; Rev17:8-13), stated (1Thess5:1-3; Dan12:11) and ready (Dan8:25; Dan11:45), for the real “World War” with the Kingdom of God and the Messianic Kingdom of Christ in the Daniel 12:11 finale Armageddon period.

In The Meantime

They have to run a fourth cycle.

Then they will engineer world peace, just as they controlled and engineered world war. They are 1-2-3-4 predictable now, because this is the FOURTH time they will use the same cycle to pitch their UN Jalopy to everyone, UN1-2-3-4, but this time in true global authority and fully globalized “gathering” (Rev16:13-16) under complete global World Government reality. (Rev18:8-18)

Everything else in the Islam this, Russia that, blah blah distraction phase, is all to freak people out and stress the nations with a mega-global-crisis, as they down the 7th King King South system to subservience instead, while, diverting the attention of everyone. Then in climax form, they “all become friends” for the “world peace” “golden age of mankind”, as they highlight the World Government “solution”, as before. Predictable now.

But for now the Anglo-American elites (Rev13:11-15) and their pals in Saudi, Russia and China (Dan11:39, etc) can run the FINAL CYCLE as well prepared, and pre-planned, instead, not for “doomsday” that many will be hyped to expect (like JWs; 2Thess2:1-12), but for hopeful global healing (Rev13:3) into UN centered world government and its final “world peace” requirement. (1Thess5:1-3)

WHAT a relief everyone! We do really all love each other! ALL hail World Government! Hip Hip Hooray! (1Thess5:1-3 signal)


And that is when we can expect God (Zeph3:8-9) and Christ (Rev16:17-20, Rev11:11-12 begins Rev14 final sequence), to literally “drop in” to the globally set World Sovereignty Arena, to become well warned before this occurs (Rev9-11) and as already long foretold, for this global sovereign confrontation OF ALL TIME! Arma-gedder-done by God and Christ! (Rev19:11-21; Dan2:31-45; Joel3:9-17; Rev11:15-18; Ps2; Ps110; Rev20:1-3)

(To aid this global nap now prevalent, this is why Bethel concealed the 1990 3rd UN event (Dan11:31b; Dan8:23), UN 1-2-3, actually enroute to UN1-2-3-4 (Dan11:31-45; Dan8:23-25).

That helps people NOT see the THREE CYCLES that >>>already ran<<< their FORMULAIC BIG PROFIT COURSE, for a UN “we need world peace” pitch primer. Instead the dated, yet still significant, WW1-to-League and WW2-to-UN has all gone to the back of the mind, so people lose sight of the UN1-2-3-4 reality as long as possible.)


The Four UN Cycles






[QUOTE who=”wilg”]what makes you think russia is the king of the north? is it because russia is north of israel?[/QUOTE]


King North Globalized System

I think the globalist forming world government system is “King of the North”. The nation-state global system is “King of the South”.

King 8 Versus King 7—The New World Order to Capture the Old World Order

Everything else is a decoy and distracting “global play” in the nation-state “King South” global domain.

“”The real King South and King North have simplified in meaning, yet the symbols have gone truly global in scope:

1. King South is the Global National System, or the Nation-State based “Old World Order”;

2. King North is the Anglo-American Globalist guided Globalization core Elite World Government System, or the Globalist “New World Order”;””


USSR-to-Russia JW Decoy

The USSR of the past, and maybe Russia next, will be a “King North” hoax decoy for JWs…

Russia Framed as King North—The Purpose

to make JWs think “the end is here brothers!” to be misled into various stalling intrigues “at that time”. (WT11/15/13; pg. 20, par. 17, #3)

Some others out there also consider Russia to be a possible “King North. JWs still think a national puppet power, actually of the “King South” global-national-system “play”, COULD EVER BE THE REAL “King North” global gold (Dan11:42-43) and eventual world ruler. (Dan11:45; Dan8:25; Rev17:11-18)

Of course the REAL “King North” is the 8th King final world ruling system of the future: World Government.

The “King South” Nation-State System “Play”

IN REALITY the national-conflict distractions are all just squabbling “King South” “old world order” system puppets, all politically puppeteered in order to run the globalist controlled “global world war play”.

Once the “world war play” “miraculously resolves”, it all eventually, very conveniently, resolves into the final true “King North” United Nations centered WORLD GOVERNMENT grand finale presentation (after the world war resolves), very nicely rebranded and re-packaged for “world peace everyone!” World Government.

The “doomsday” impression passing (Rev13:3), then inspires AMPED UP great global relief, hopefulness and acceptance of the World Government “World Peace” system, as per design and formulaic con. (1Thess5:1-3)


The Final Cycle “Global Play” of the Future

The US/NATO versus everyone and his mother impression and reality, is all just for the distracting effect of “the global play” to cloak the final cycle true intent—WORLD GOVERNMENT—as long as possible. It is all just a distracting diversion, but this one will be the biggest one, because not only is Russia potentially involved with China, the Iran “Islam” dimension is ALSO active.

So this is a unique global cycle preparing to run in a number of ways including nation-state debt pawning, massive global financial system “transition” and social unrest ALL AT THE SAME TIME.

This final cycle will be the “tribulation of those days” Global Doozy of a cycle for such “chaos” reasons to birth the “New World” “Order” from. All very predictable now.

The real King North is the Anglo-American engineered globalist super-corporate controlled system. Russia will have to join it, with everyone else.

8th King World Peace—Guaranteed

8th King World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3; Dan12:11), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

Because Bethel will not divulge that SIMPLE SUMMARY, they are removed first in the process. Bethel is removed first, because Christendom goes down under world government (Rev17:15-18), their global scale is too enormous to be concentrated on at this time. Bethel is the perfect place for a prophetic proportions judgment to occur, and that first and soon. (Dan8:13-14; Zech3:1-5; Mal3:1-5; Rev8:3-5)

World War 4 to World Peace 4

Future Global War “Sword-Stroke” to Define UN Peace Keeping “Abyss” Impotence— Sets the Global Stage for the “Healing” “Ascension” of Full 8th King World Government



[QUOTE who=”jace”]<quoted text>
Russia king of the north???
Did the wt or you reinstated Russia back to the king if the north ?
Just asking [/QUOTE]

I am speculating they will, come JW coup time.

Russia is just a King South nation-state system puppet, a JW decoy. So I did that title to attract JW attention, then I can explain how globalization based globalist system world government is what “King North” really is.

The “8th” and final “King” parallel.

JWs are under the Bethel delusion that “King North” was the USSR. But when the USSR “failed” so did their “King North” potential. (Dan11:36)

Until the ops at Bethel are deposed, JWs will continue to be misled for capture***, instead, by use of the King North DECOY they are still accepting from apostate Bethel.


8th King World Government Rise with 7th King Nation State Fall

King 8 Versus King 7—The New World Order to Capture the Old World Order

8 Kings: Why the 7th King Anglo-American National System Must “Fall”

The End of National Sovereignty, Not The End of the World

***Your Deliverance is Getting Near!—The Question is: Deliverance to What?

Click to access watchtower-7-15-2015_your_deliverance_is_getting_near_commentary-on-the-bethel-jw-trap7.pdf


[QUOTE who=”FH Chandler”]<quoted text>
There is an element of truth to this statement, though your overstating it quite a bit.
Regardless, how – exactly – did it get that way?
“The system” isn’t the problem.
WE…THE PEOPLE are the problem.

The wealth coup is the main driver, in lieu of money produced as debt, with no backing except more debt, more money, more quicksand.

The people may be asleep, but nothing could have been done after 1914 (Federal Reserve). No revolution is possible, because revolution are a tool of the martial state expansion.

I am UNDERSTATING IT, as future days will show everyone in grand manner, as their nations are debt foreclosed and “received” by corporate financial recovery systems.

Now many people like Alex Jones, Peter Schiff, Paul Craig Roberts and even Ron Paul know this is the case, but they all have a “pie in the sky” final dot to sell people the hope the national sovereignty will be restored, or there will be “an awakening”, or reform.

It will “globally reform” into world government, into one model, nations will be put in their place, and people will be aware of the gist of the matter, but it is already too late, “the awakening” is useless, powerless—it only aids civil unrest, and thus martial invasion of the nation, by its own military and security systems.

So, rather, the US and EU nations will be the first to be fully pawned in the debt unwind process. (Dan11:42-43) It is all in the numbers; they have NO (national) >>>ACTUAL<<< GOVERNMENTS any longer—it is ALL a “puppet show” of BOUGHT AND DONE national politicians.

1. They have no wealth sovereignty, and;

2. They have no information sovereignty and;

3. They are increasingly to fully subject to globalist banker private corporate sovereignty, they have no actual authority except over stale issues of the nation-state play of distractions and useess philosphies;

The Proof is in the Global Stats Pudding

Strike 1. The debt and unfunded liabilities of the nations are many times larger than combined global national GDP of ALL the nations.

Strike 2. The globalist gold holding are many many times larger than combined global national GDP of ALL the nations.

Strike 3. The combined globalist system HARD WEALTH control is 10s of times larger than combined global national GDP of ALL the nations.

Strike 4; Just for Good Measure: The globalist central banking system generated all the downfall debt, so they can re-invent the final solution come that time, it is ALL just paper and digits in their digital hands, beyond nation-state understanding, beyond nation-state authority in global tech and digital system and mathematical formalization, and soon beyond their legal standing as debt slaves made official: bankrupt or bought out. (with their own “money”, so to speak)

What that means is the debt meltdown element, in controlled but severe manner, will topple in the nations into a true stranglehold of INTERNATIONAL LAW TIER >>>LEGAL<<< OWNERSHIP of that nation-state governmental corporate tier of authority passing with that sovereign snapshot of another age—all digitally, scientifically and mathematically controlled.

International law will be the law, not “by consent”, but by world government global wealth and military monopoly force.

And that is how Nation-State Jack lost his own nation-house he built.

(Daniel 8:24) [World Government] power must become mighty, but not by [its] own power. . . .

They use the nation-state, they play the national powers like a fiddle, and the song is sovereign defeat for the nation-state whole system. Just a matter of time and the full final global cycle.

One way (wealth; Dan11:42-43), or another (militarily), or another (voluntarily) they are all captured in this final cycle, to 100%. (Rev17:8-13)

(Revelation 17:13) so they give their power and authority to the wild beast.


[QUOTE who=”FH Chandler”]<quoted text>
That would be part of the discussion I’d be willing to have under different circumstances if you weren’t a complete and total dolt.
<quoted text>
I did, indeed. You have a completely irrational paranoia over, “Jews”, and it’s on display in EVERY one of your posts. And with each response, you showcase more of that paranoia.
<quoted text>


Actually I rarely mention “the Jews”, I just state the role of the Israeli nation-state. EVERYONE is in on this, not just “rich Zionist Jews”. And to say their is no Zionism, is pure ignorance.

Other than the strategic use of Israel, or Saudi, or Russia fro that matter, I do not have a “Jew paranoia”.

I discuss topics with modern globalism and or geo-strategic basic rationale and theory or proof, obviously I am not a “dolt”, you just are used to Topix insult obligations. 90% of the people who come here come to rant and bicker.

Seems you are the “Jew Supremacist”, and if so, I don’t really care about “the Jews” as far as some inimical “bogey man”—good for you.

This is beyond individuals, it is about complex network systems transforming as designed, into world government, in EVERY aspect of the model, becoming reality, GLOBALLY, over this final 10-plus years, from time of full blown cycle activation of the future.

I come to help make those who are awake already, more aware as to the world government irreversible purpose in all this distraction and massive debt expansion very quickly. It is not just globalization BASICS, it is prophecy basics as well. And NOW is the time to connect the final two dots, world government will trigger the Christ of God arrival; plain and simple.

Hypnotic Optimists, with that as their only hope in their own heads, will be enslaved further to world government, their optimism is their blindness that delays their action for YEARS; “Optimism” is their escape.

They are in the same boat as everyone else, all of us lighting the fuse to the long spoken about Christ arrival context: Full Global Domination by Satan, aka “world government”.

Year over year this will make more sense to you as the US falls, which fall is now easy to see for those willing to look. The optimists could have showed up with 200 trillion dollars, 40 years ago, and they still would have been too late: the globalist system wave is now 100 years old as propelled by world war steroids.

Neither optimism, or “action”, NOTHING, can reverse these world government guys.

Well nothing except the Christ of God and around 100 billion angels along with God ALMIGHTY Himself! LOL. THAT is what it will take to put world government to rest, by superior FORCE—that is the only word they WILL listen to. And hear it they will, when they are ready for the war. (Rev16:13-16)

They aren’t ready yet.

In time… they will be ready. (Eze38:7)

Plan accordingly.

With me it was the UN NGO. But then Matthew 24:15 took on a whole new Daniel 8:13-14 meaning for me! It looks like UN-Bethel up and got themselves into some serious divine disfavor. Of course the modern sheep-beating “evil slave” INSIDE OF BETHEL, has absolutely no qualms judging and appointing themselves the “one and only” “FAITHFUL Slave” of all time. Come to think of it, 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 also took on new meaning for me! Lo and behold, BETHEL IS THE LEADERSHIP BASED APOSTASY we have been on the watch for! No wonder they accuse everyone else of apostasy; you know, it keeps JWs diverted from the racketeers up at Bethel. (1Pet4:15-17) NEVER EVER let APOSTATE BETHEL label anyone but themselves as apostate. THEY knew better, they are going down HARD and soon as Daniel 8:13-14 modern temple judgment, at Daniel 11:41 positioning going full blown for 3.19 years. Daniel 8:14 is timed, so people can verify the meaning of the Bethel “trampling” later. Mark your calendar when Bethel starts to get sacked, as they prematurely CANCEL and cease the JW ministry from their own mouth.


Brother, here is my thoughts on the tower of babel first world government attempt.

If we note the background in Genesis 3-6, and consider the Satanic element of human influence from then forward, then the “Tower of Babel” Genesis 10-11 developments make more sense, as I hope I can explain.

Nimrod is known today by the fathers of world government development (Rev13:11-15) as the originator of the first world government development (which you can research here on YouTube very easily), under Satan’s influence, which from the Genesis 6 hint, has no good purpose in mind for mankind.

It is not the progress of humanity that God is delaying, it is the progress of humans under the Satanic will being made more powerful by a unified effort. Hence the “United Nations” of today, whose originators back to Babel and “Nimrod’s Kingdom” (Gen10), and in today’s globalists and Freemasons, all recognized Cush and Nimrod’s original role and influence in the Satanic purpose from incept. (Gen10-11)

I notice you have not noted the Devil’s role in all this, and that is what you might consider in its background-controlling sense of completing the rebellion against God and His Kingdom to the full (100% global), which development in Genesis 6 was so severe, only 8 people made it out of that world by divine aid. THAT is what Satan wants to do, take over the whole world, while no one even considers his real background role in the development.

And the “tree of the knowledge of good and bad”, or right and wrong, or truth and error; it is also not about generic “knowledge”, it is about man as being the judges of global-truth.

How did Adam and Eve do, and that world of Genesis 6?

How has it been working so far for mankind in general?

How well is it working at apostate Bethel?

The “tree” issue is man as being earthly sovereign decision makers, RULERS of other men, with no interference by God, but influence of Satan as world ruler, who intends to rule far more directly again.

And how do we know this?

Because Babel was a divine intervention of non-destructive delaying means, the next one after the deluge of Noah, so it was for an important reason. To delay the inevitable:

(Zephaniah 3:8-9) “‘Therefore keep yourselves in expectation of me,’ is the utterance of Jehovah, ‘till the day of my rising up to [the] booty, for my judicial decision is to gather nations, for me to collect together kingdoms (Rev16:13-16; world government), in order to pour out upon them my denunciation, all my burning anger; for by the fire of my zeal all the earth will be devoured. 9 For THEN I SHALL GIVE TO PEOPLES THE CHANGE TO A PURE LANGUAGE, in order for them all to call upon the name of Jehovah, in order to serve him shoulder to shoulder.’

So the next divine intervention, triggered by world government this time (but as usual; Gen11), “resets” the global human language system to one, for the rule of Christ.

And that will be the next divine intervention, once the modern “tower of Babel” completes as world government. And if we notice, the language will be globally “reset” to the one pure language, and why? “to call upon the name of Jehovah, in order to serve him shoulder to shoulder” under the world government of Jesus Christ, the “Messianic Kingdom”. (Dan2:31-45; Rev11:15)

Now had Satan used the one language acceleration and early unification against God, then it would have been so all humans could call upon the name of Satan, in order to serve him shoulder to shoulder GLOBALLY IN TIME, from a very early inception of global government under Nimrod, to begin the process.

8th King World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3; Dan12:11), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

And that is why God had to delay the process to meet the divine prophecy timeline (Dan7,8,11-12; Rev8-13,17) which still included Christ’s arrival, the timing of Daniel 8:13-14 temple judgment coming, and the final 1260 days warning for open salvation of the future (Dan7:25; Dan12:7; Rev11:2-3; Rev12:14; Rev13:5) once Bethel is “trampled” and accounted (Dan8:13-14) to allow the real final truth to come forth in COMPLETION (Rev10:5-11).

This is because when God does something, He does it to COMPLETION (Rev8-11), and according to divine wisdom, ALWAYS for the eventual full benefit of mankind, for those willing, to come back under God’s sovereign guidance as the judge of truth 100%, no waffling around anymore.

This is because He is truth, and man has wandered very far off course, and that for thousands of years, and Satan IS behind it all, so the recovery is not over night, and some final things must yet occur: like Bethel’s massive judgment for UN allied apostasy and global lawlessness that has RUINED the JW core formerly truthful ministry, turning it into a global reproach and hypocrisy. (Zech3:1-3; Dan8:12; Dan11:32-35)

When JWs came out to say the League of Nations (1919) and UN (1945) were the nucleus and “image” of “wild beast” world government, that was the truth.

And JUST LIKE the “tower of Babel”, a symbol of global government, when that world government eventually completes, it will trigger the Christ arrival—it MUST COMPLETE first. Now you now what to look for in the future. (Rev8-11 repeats with Rev16)

That final cycle STARTS upon Bethel’s apostasy FIRST. (1Pet4:17; Dan8:13-14 as Dan11:41 as Rev8; Zech3:1-5; Mal3:1-5)

(It is the temple judgment of modern times to prepare the final open salvation call.)

When the 1990 3rd UN global presentation came forth (Dan11:30-31; Dan8:23), Bethel went UN NGO apostate co-promoters, and covered it up, so modern JWs no loner expose the UN world government development in modern prophecy and global development.

THAT truth must come forth as the UN will be become inactive (Rev17:8) in a final “sword stroke” that will “heal” (Rev13:13) into the final “ascension” of world government in the future. (Rev17:8-13; Dan11:45; Dan8:25; Dan12:11)

That takes several more years. In reality it was UN1-2-3-4 to world government. JWs dropped the ball by apostate Bethel misleading at UN 1-2.


It seems the “pedophile” “case study” was just a way to get the Bethel GB headed “private JW legal system” on the gurney for the legal autopsy examination of the pathology of that device in “exploratory” mode, just a probe, no deep cutting into the GB carcass yet.

But now that the “in” is in place, a deeper examination can come later, as other practices are examined more closely, as the horrid pedophile record, the dolt like GB responses (or lack of them), and other “red flags” are now flapping in the face of many national legal authorities.

And this Bethel “nest egg” and rat nest of crimes, could also end up paying very very well.

But as serious as pedophilia promoting is, rackets and money laundering is the bullseye to cut into the dead GB body very very quickly, if that is the route the “powers that be” plan to take.

And this is because Bethel’s liability is IN WRITING, once in the autopsy for real, it wil be easy for the “powers that be” to assign liability.

And at the same time, the ILLEGAL Bethel “supreme court” “overriding to be hiding” real criminal activity highly active in the over 100,000 JW congregations, to some degree as revealed in the Australian “case study”, intending to SUPERCEDE THE LAWS OF CAESAR and for that matter God too, will in time bring some real heat because Bethel’s override has a “captive audience” of JW hostages—it strongarms its policy by coercions and threats.

Now the pedophile cases can assign elder up liability and prosecutions, potentially.

But the rackets and billion dollar skims, laundering and swindling, can bring liability into the WTBTS from the GB down to the Bethel legal magicians who have been performing these deeds for years, as it has to come out in time 20 billion dollars has gone through the joint upstream and downstream, donations and hard asset valuation, and now they are playing broke?

It seems to be a set up, like the movie Casino, the Bethel Casino is an “inside job” as revealed in prophecy. (Dan11:32a) It is a timebomb built by the GB and it is forming the perfect storm to erupt in a very distracting global context also getting more severe.

It is all just a matter of time. (Daniel 8:13-14)

It will only get more interesting the more water the Bethel Titanic takes on. But it was a multi-billion dollar score, and more of the forensics from the full autopsy must come out in time.


[QUOTE who=”wilg”]im not saying any of these things as any kind of attack at you…
i actually think you have some depth to lay out prophecies… but you latch onto possibilities more than the prophecies themselves… i know what its like to want to explain all the prophecies happening in reality… the problem i run into is that there is always another prophecy that makes a specific point that is hard to place with the ideas ive had, so i rethink it, and re-read it… and then wait… there are a few things that arent clearly stated in prophecy that you have to wait for in reality to make sense of… like i really dont have a clue who the king of the south is but i have a few ideas of …

and at what point during all this is the false message of peace and security taking place..?[/QUOTE]

This is why Daniel 11:42-43 is one of the most explicit and literal prophecies in the Bible, if not the most direct. And that US and EU financial pawning will also be clearly seen when it matures:

Daniel 11:42-43 Explicit in Coming 8th King Globalized Wealth Control

And the point is, full wealth control at true global scale, guides the rest of the trajectory to world government.

Daniel 11:42-43 is very specific, because when it fulfills it can then be recognized very quickly, even if that cycle takes 3 or more years to fully complete. It will be a sign of the final cycle.

But I’ll look at more of your questions, which will also have, in some cases, MILESTONE developments to provide the answers (in the future), which it will take the future and its events to verify these things for people now trying to piece King North together.

(for example “world peace” “and security”, the real one, not the hoax, comes under full world government. Of course that takes a number of years to prove.)

In time it will start to “explain itself”—but other things wil come first, like Daniel 11:41 (Dan8:13 “trampling”) invasion of Bethel global to try to seize JWs in time.

And because it goes on for a number of final years with huge and unique global milestones en route to world government, God will by that strategy, be able to let the events begin to explain themselves as prophecy, in a shaking global cycle:

(Haggai 2:7) . . .“‘And I will rock all the nations, and the desirable things of all the nations must come in; and I will fill this house with glory,’ Jehovah of armies has said.

The GOAL is salvation of many many many many people.

Positive Global Message—Open Global Salvation Opportunity

I will say, because some do not know, I am NOT a “doomsdayer”. I know from Revealtion 13:3 the “death stroke” is just an impression, it heals into world government. And because of that certainty, this forecast is about the longest range one you will find anywhere on the Web, as far as Christian prophecy commentaries.

And it is very specific, because the “seven trumpets” are the fianl fulfillment framework it ALL ties into and registers with.

Temple Judgment of Jehovahs witnesses to World Government prophecy timeline 2

(1 minute slideshow video)

The duration of the final cycle, will ensure EVERY FORECAST OUT HERE, will be fully tested. The premature ones will fail first, like Bethel’s. (Dan8:13-14)


[QUOTE who=”Brother P”]Anyone who reads up on the history of Rutherford and his climb to office will be put off because they’ll see the very business-like (material) way of designation and the struggle for power. They’ll see all this had very little to do with God but HUMAN DREAMS and AMBITION.
All Russel and Rutherford were was two enthusiastic bible students who had the same common ground; they both hated the churches and had the position to influence people. Funnily enough they hated churches for what they perceived as in them as fakeness and hypocrisy….only to establish ANOTHER fake and hypocritical movement that’s all about control and rigid doctrine (rather than open minded & free truth seeking) – anyone who dares defy their authority (current “light”) will be annihilated or chased out by pitchforks.
Talk about religion being a snare and a racket – Rutherford would be forced to eat his own words if he came back! Actually, he’d probably be disfellowshipped and just start up another religion (after bringing himself up to speed on modern law – all the loopholes etc) :)[/QUOTE]

Stalwart Rutherford

Rutherford recognized the “board of directors” was who was out to ruin the ministry. In 1917 he quelled a coup that would have installed a “governing body” well before there was even a GB in JWs. In 1944 the “governing body” term was first introduced 2 years AFTER Rutherford died. By 1971 they labeled themselves the uplifted “Governing Body”, and by 1976 they accomplished what the board tried to do in 1917: take over and progressively RUIN the religion as a GB DICTATORSHIP.

That GB Dictatorship of Rogues since 1976, is the “root of all evil” in JWs ministry. THEY are too blame, not JFR, not Knorr and not Fred Franz, plain and simple. (Knorr and Franz condemned the GB coup—now we know why)

Russell said “beware of organization” and Rutherford said beware of the “religion” label, they both tried to remain a generic Christian faith based ministry. MUCH has changed since 1944, but Rutherford was the guy who delayed the total ruination of JWs as long as he could. He cannot be blamed for the direction the GOVERNING BODY eventually took.

1944 Governing Body Birthday—1917-1976 WTBTS Board of Directors Coup Finally Realized

In fact had Rutherford lived to be 150, there would have never been a “governing body”, because:

1. Rutherford already knew the snakes that slither into “the board” from 1917;

2. And its origin is from Babel corporatism, common in all “Church” clergies, secret societies, Freemasons, and corporations and so on. “Religion” is also a Babel device, it means “corporatized ministry”, and by that route of corporation, “board of directors” and an impotent “president” the entire ship is eventually controlled, cloaked and lost.

The “Governing Body” of Vipers of Babel Origin

The JW distraction was focusing on religious clergies, papacy, and so on, without informing JWs ALL of them are guided by their own “governing bodies”, and that is how the JW GB has done the EXACT SAME THING: APOSTASY. The “Governing Body” is from Babel, not Jerusalem, plain and simple.

JWs STILL have Core Babel Body at the heart of their ministry, and look what has happened: they join the United Nations for Organizations!

The Church+WTBTS commonality is that in the mainstream “Corporate Christianity” “Relgions”, like WTBTS, they ALL ride the wildbeast, for example the UN NGO is now a bit of a distraction. What WTBTS did was join the UN Secretariat “Departments and Offices” as an annex of the UN DPI, by way of the “grassroots” tier of the Outreach Division of the DPI. In other words, the WTBTS is actually a UN Secretariat headed “attache” affiliate, through the UN DPI, which is under the UN Secretariat.

And so do the rest of the major Corporate Christian religions, they have been riding the wildbeast since the 1920s. The only thing unique about modern Bethel apostasy is they joined in 1991, now the WHOLE CORPORATE CHRISTIAN COMPLEX RIDES THE WILDBEAST! And now, for example, the WTBTS dovetail out of the UN NGO shell, to support a number of UN IGOs now, as they CONTINUE to spread UN agenda information and lobby for the UN; such as in the OSCE.

How UN NGO Bethel Joined the “UN System” under the “UN Secretariat” Principal UN Organ

WTBTS JOINS the Global Apostasy

The WTBTS is now squarely seated upon the League of Nations based UNO, which Rutherford plainly condemned the very second it came out, which led to the UN expose under Knorr, as the UN is the nucleus of world government, that when complete will trigger Christ arrival.


“”The new world means more than the nations realize. It calls for more than THEY can muster. The bald fact is that they do not want it. For that reason the promised new world of lasting peace, which world shall be what all lovers of right want, should not be confused with the so-called “new order” or “new world order” which is today held up by political and religious dictators as a lure to the people. The righteous new world is the very opposite of that selfish and ambitious human scheme. “” (The New World; 1942, pg. 10)

“”That attempted “new world order” which is pushed forward in opposition to and as a substitute for God’s new world under “The King of kings and Lord of lords” is the final expression of the antichrist. Do not look for the antichrist to be an individual man or beast. It is that “new order” organization. The antichrist is here, and its appearance marks the “last time” for this world.”” (The New World; 1942, pg. 126)

So Bethel saying nothing of the THIRD UN manifestation in 1990, in “New World Order” Mode, and joining it as an organizational UN partnered affiliate UN NGO, caps off the ruination of the JW Christian ministry. It is done, except for it made official by God himself, Bethel downfall. (Dan8:13-14; Dan11:41; Zech3:1-5)

Rutherford NEVER sold out to the UN (League), but the GB did, and that is all she wrote. Instead, Rutherford kept the “board of vipers” in its place as long as he could.

Rutherford was perhaps the most significant FAITHFUL Jehovah’s witness vessel anointed Christian “spearhead” of our age, for this reason. And that is why he gets all the bad press, to distract from what he did: Proclaimed God’s Kingdom, while exposing the League/UN as prophecy, while having NOTHING to do with that world government designate and rival of God’s Kingdom…

While keeping the WTBTS Board of Sellout Vipers at bay, which in time slithered back in as the modern “Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses”, a UN allied snake pit of modern global reproaching brazen lawlessnesshissssshissss: Just look at the JW reputation online and in the world due, not to preaching the Kingdom, but because of the GB dirty laUNdry.

(2 Peter 2:2) Furthermore, many will follow their acts of loose conduct, and on account of these the way of the truth will be spoken of abusively.

The good news is, the Bethel apostasy is prophecy now fulfilling (Dan11:32a; Dan8:12), heading to the Temple Judgment of Jehovah’s witnesses. (Dan8:13-14)

Connecting Bethel Lawlessness to Final Prophecy

Daniel 8:13-14 Details the Coming Temple Judgment of Jehovah’s Witnesses

Even the WTBTS UN NGO apostasy signal, is prophetic “transgression causing desolation” to the JW org soon, as per Daniel 8:13.

JW UN NGO Prophecy, Information and Details


[QUOTE who=”array”]<quoted text>do you think the GB will have new light on this, been a long time since their big boo boo

The Governing Body will be removed by Jehovah in the temple judgment of Daniel 8:13-14. Eventually the truth they squelch and distract from with a modern day Bethel Circus, will come out.


Daniel 8:13-14 is timed, so you can see what happens 3.19 years after Bethel starts to be sacked in full blown manner of the Daniel 11:41 context.

Daniel 8:13-14 Diametric “Wrong Condition” at Apostate Bethel Since 1944—It’s Future Fulfillment and Implications

It is timed because it will be very difficult for JWs to accept their multi-billion dollar theft and pillage will have been aided the the King North placed GB of Daniel 11:32a, along with its UN NGO earmark.

Very dark and bewildering days are coming for JWs, hence “the evening” of Daniel 8:13-14 and Daniel 8:26. JWs are going down for three years, and the recovery will take another three years, is what I speculate the Daniel 8:13-14 timign will unwind as.

JWs will be heartbroken, and will have to accept the modern apostate reality of UN-Bethel, eventually. It won’t be easy, and it is an awfully big pill for proud JWs to have to swallow. But it is what it is.

Bethel keeps the decoy “King North” error in JWs, to promote “the end” way way too soon, as per 2Thess2:1-2, and thus they can use it to try to trap JWs in the WTBTS downfall years.

Russia Framed as King North—The Purpose

Hence all those “obey the org as crazy as it sounds” Bethel “Pied Piper” brainwash.

Neither JWs nor the JW critics seeing the signs of all this, know how serious it is INSIDE of Bethel.

JW Org—Just a CIA Run Intel Coup Now

But ALL OF IT, is right in the very prophecies Bethel has derailed.

Bethel Apostasy Foretold in Daniel 8 and 11

Daniel 8 and 11 Final Apostasy and 3rd UN Placement (1990) Connections and Parallels


Marcus, the clue to the Bethel predicament is in Daniel 8:13-14 (and it is timed so it will prove itself in the future). The clue is, there is NO WAY IN HADES that prophecy fulfilled in the manner Bethel describes. Rather, post 1944 development is what set the “governing body” Babel origin term and entity, to be applied to the “board of directors” being called the lifted up term and title “The Governing Body” in 1971, and the Bethel coup of that GB in 1976 to a full dictatorship, tossing Fred Franz and Nathan Knorr under the bus in the process, demoted to “advisors” who were then either ignored or resisted, as the GB began the full downward apostate spiral—uncontested. (Search [Daniel 8:13-14 “wrong condition” at apostate bethel since 1944] no end quotes, for the full research.)

Now since 1944, then 1976 to 1990 (UN NGO) to today that was a very very gradual “growing weeds like” devolution.

BUT the prophecy that leads to the future temple judgment of Daniel 8:13-14, also notes this gradual subversion process in JWs, from Bethel:

(Daniel 8:12) And an (JW) army itself was GRADUALLY given over, together with the constant [feature], >>> because of transgression<<<; and it kept throwing truth to the earth, and it acted and had success.

Sound familiar at Bethel? Yes, it is what it is.

And the “King North” 8th King developers are also identified as who LEADS the modern Bethel apostasy—from within:

(Daniel 11:32) “And those who are acting wickedly against [the] covenant (at Bethel), he (8th King/King North) will lead into apostasy by means of smooth words. (The Bethel “smooth words” 8th King cover-up in the JW publications is part of the smoothly justified apostasy);

And that is why Bethel:

1. Silences the foretold 1990 3rd UN presentation of Daniel 11:31b, Daniel 8:23

2. Joined the UN Secretariat UN DPI “UN NGO” co-promotional partnership at that same time.

3. And covers up that OBVIOUSLY the failed USSR is NOT “King North”, but world government in progress is.

(Search ” Russia Framed as King North—The Purpose” in quotes for how Bethel will use that diversion against JWs in the future.)

Now many JWs and many JW critics suffer a similar delusion, but for different reasons:

1. Most JW critics do not want to accept the original JW ministry has foretold validity.

2. JWs do not want to accept that validity is now in foretold apostasy.

And this is why ENORMOUS anti-JW-org events will provide the shocking temple judgment context so that Daniel 1:14 “right condition” of temple judgment purification can be met, while deposing the GB, as Jehovah’s witnesses are eventually recovered for the final warning update “second witness” of the “two witnesses”.

And most JWs are totally lost when I tell them this, because Bethel has also fully DUMBED DOWN JWs, as admitted in WT 3/15/15, so as to have forgotten the prophecy background of Jehovah’s witnesses original validity.

Do that research, pray about it, and think deeply about it. Will God just let that UN NGO and Bethel mass lawlessness go unaccounted forever?


Sorry brother, I can only try to imagine the “ice bucket” shock that was. What a JOKE, Bethel should be ashamed in sackcloth, those renegades! The more I read Isaiah, Amos, Micah and Hosea, the more they are describing modern Bethel:

(Amos 5:6-7) Search for Jehovah, and keep living, that he may not become operative just like fire, O house of Joseph, and it may not actually devour, and Bethel may not be with no one to extinguish [it], 7 O you who are turning justice into mere wormwood, and the ones who have cast righteousness itself to the earth.

(Hosea 2:5) For their mother has committed fornication.

What perplexes me is how Bethel can say this:

(3) At that time, the lifesaving direction that we receive from Jehovah’s organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint. All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not.  (WT 11/15/2013, pg. 20, par. 17, #3)

And YET they cannot take care of their own?

“”Figuratively speaking, however, God’s people will flee to the refuge that Jehovah provides.”” (WT 07/15/2015, pg. 16, par. 7-8)

WHAT REFUGE???? Bethel cannot take care of their own workers, some of which put in 30 years into that RACKET of a 20 billion dollar “organization”.

God is the refuge, not apostate UN NGO Bethel.

I am still Jehovah’s witness, just not in the sense of the Bethel “organization” which I fled, so count your blessings you got out now, and in time you will fell great about it!


(Matthew 24:15-16) “Therefore, when you catch sight of the (UN NGO; Dan11:31) disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken of through Daniel the prophet (modern Dan11:31 “disgusting thing that causes desolation” as parallel of Dan8:13 “transgression causing desolation”), standing in a holy place (in the JW “constant feature” ministry as UN NGO), (let the reader use discernment,) 16 then let those in Judea begin fleeing to the mountains. (Because the JW Bethel desolation judgment for that UN NGO “transgression causing desolation” is near; 1Pet4:17; Dan8:13-14; Rev8:3-5);


What Bethel would say had this happened in the Mormons or Catholics is “see brothers, their waters are drying up before the UN pillages them as foretold!”

So they are half correct. Bethel’s “waters are drying up before” the REAL King North (8th King boys) invasion ON BETHEL of Daniel 11:41, which will produce the JW-org-wide context of the Temple Judgment of Jehovah’s Witnesses, upon the visible apostate Bethel UN allied organization, of Daniel 8:13-14.

From which NOT THE END (Matt24:6), but the end of the Bethel apostasy is effected, hence the Daniel 8:14 now fully REQUIRED “right condition”, on Bethel first, for a global signal, well before the real end, as Bethel’s foretold downfall (Isa28) takes place first to 1. wake up JWs (Matt25:1-13), and 2. shock the world; to also assess where we actually are in the prophetic flow. (Rev8 and Daniel 11:41)

Bethel has JWs thinking their end, is “the end”, way too soon.

Sound familiar:

(2 Thessalonians 2:1-2) However, brothers, respecting the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we request of you 2 not to be quickly shaken from your reason nor to be excited either through an inspired expression or through a verbal message or through a letter as though from us, to the effect that the day of Jehovah is here.

And that is what Bethel is doing to JWs.

And why?

To help hide their MODERN LEADERSHIP APOSTASY that WILL “be revealed” with the temple judgment (Rev8) and its recovery (Rev9) as basically all prophecy is in reprise, REPEATING, for a final warning, and to reveal Bethel reality:

(2 Thessalonians 2:3) 3 Let no one seduce you in any manner, because it will not come >>>unless the apostasy comes first<<< and the man of lawlessness gets revealed… [at Bethel this time]

The lawless one is up at UN allied apostate Bethel, for the modern signal.


[QUOTE who=”CIA Free”]<quoted text>
The way I see it, the whole world already is under “one world government” and has been for a long time, it’s something called the Kingdom of God. Maybe you’ve heard of it.
God and Jesus rule the entire world from heaven. Imagine that.

A church tale is all that is. When world government completes, then they will hear from the Kingdom of God—DIRECTLY from the Messianic Kingdom agency, yet to complete.

None of this “God’s Kingdom rules” baloney that Bethel even states.

Now true, Christ did manifest in God’s Kingdom in 1914.

BUT the Messianic Kingdom of Christ was merely “born” at that time, and it is what completes upon world government, and it is the sovereign agency that will rule this Earth—DIRECTLY.

The world will be given plenty of warning before world government completes, because its final presentation events require the “7th King” US and EU total nation-state system downfall first. (Dan11:42-43)

That is around the corner.

Then they “heal” (Rev13:3) and “ascend” into “8th King” world government (Rev17:8-13, Rev11:1-7) and rule “one hour”. (Rev17:12)

Its a no-brainer now. “Predictable” by a few means, not just prophecy.

[QUOTE who=” I AM HEAVENly EYES”]<quoted text>
just wondering if this new case u just mentioned is IN the united states cause as far as i know there has ONLY been ONE elder case in the united states so far

You can safely take the Australian numbers, times it by 10×1.3, I would say, to get the ballpark of US JW pedophile activity. America is the worst place on earth for these kinds of things, so it will be worse than Australia, imo, for more than just having more JWs reasons.

But once the ball gets rolling, it will be enormous globally, it will be a “rip tide” on the Org, a tidal wave, and a tsunami as per Isaiah 28. (1Pet4:17)

The recent Bethel Layoffs (flagged for their cold as ice nature) will now be “the in” for the WTBTS Racketeering investigations to have a new “red flag” to start to openly explore Bethel’s money laundering scheme, in the 10 to 20 billion dollar range, since 1980, maybe more. (It is investigations already mature and active, this may just be the public and DOJ outrage “trigger” to get it to come out, imo)

Either way the big dirt is coming (Zech3:1-3), they have probably been doing what Australia has come out with first, for peripheral introduction; that is the DOJ, for example, has been investigating Bethel for about a decade, to mount up a strong case, and they are already well prepared as was ARC. (But rackets and laundering charges is a whole now arena of legal system enforcement severity)

The only problem with Rackets and Laundering charges, unlike pedophiles, is the state marshals and the likes of ATF and FBI come barging in the same day, to seize records in computers and files, and to arrest people on the spot, and hunt them down ASAP for incarceration—the same day, and they don’t stop till they bag them all.

But because it is an inside aided intel job (Dan11:32a) inside of Bethel’s admin, there will be plenty of huge rackets and laundering dirt to be found, very conveniently. But the globalist intel, operating the cash-cow inside of Bethel for such purposes, has already skimmed out 10 billion (or more), they will not lose the main booty, it is ALREADY gone.

The Bethel loot and hard assets left over (a few billion), will be sacrificed to the national legal powers strictly for the “its the end of the world brothers!!!” effect, as they run a “dual layered” financial system at Bethel for such purpose (it is SOP in these kinds of infiltrations for loot). A secret one, for big loot for the globalists, and one for the Bethel crash to be made public in time, in a GLOBAL-TSUNAMI of coming litigation, and prosecutions on the JW org at international scale and effectiveness, at every level of inquiry.

1. The pedophiles cases is to establish guilt and liability from the congregation up, from elders, r/f JWs in general, to the branch, to the GB, in already written damming policy aiding real liability, stubbornly maintained by Bethel, for decades. A “time bomb” just waiting to blow. RC lit the fuse.

2. The rackets/laundering charges will be to establish guilt from the top down into the Bethel “organization” layers, its lawyers, GB, boards, accountants and so on, to take down the financial infrastructure of Bethel, the heart of the ministerial resources. The complimentary goal is to imprison as many brothers as possible, bottom to top, top to bottom, as the ops in Bethel slip out, by design.

The cover-story, to sell it to JWs (for the whole Dan8:14 “evening” timing, 3.19 years), is that it is “the end of the world brothers!” to sell the Bethel’s apostasy ending in grand manner (Dan8:13-14; Dan11:41), [as if] “THE END” of the world. JWs will be mentally paralyzed, and ready to obey, for some time. [1] And that totally distracts JWs from what is really going on.

Because it is way way too soon in prophecy (and world government development) for the real end, we know it is to create a “Global JW Hoax” context in which to sack the JW Organization as Daniel 8:13, in the Daniel 11:41 event. This is allowed and required by God (Dan8:13-14; Zech3:1-5; Mal3:1-5; Rev8 final cycle), because of Bethel lawlessness in general, and the UN NGO in specific.

(They will eventually try to sell it to JWs [as if] “Daniel 11:44 King North attack brothers!” “its the end!!!”, with the “Babylon the Great is being attacked” diversion also in play. But as per 2 Thessalonians 2:1-2, it is ALL premature, to keep JWs in a distracting false expectation, way way too soon, to give the Org-Takedown a great smokescreen cover story that can last a few years. It takes time for JWs to figure out it was not the end, simply by it taking time for it not to end as soon as expected.)

That way they can bring ENORMOUS ANTI-JW-ORG EVENTS on JWs, already well expecting “the end” (too soon), and sell those PROSECUTIONS on the JW Org, as if “persecution” for the psychological cover as well—unfortunately it is PROSECUTIONS for real Bethel criminal activity that is very very real. Then in the confusion the intel layer inside of Bethel (Dan11:32a) just skips out in the smoke and mirrors, as the perfect exit strategy is also in action, amidst massive JW confusion and false expectations taking time to deflate.

They then leave JWs and misled brothers holding the bag—lucky to keep a single Kingdom Hall—while canceling the JW ministry prematurely in the process, from Bethel’s own mouth and false-prophecy, and try to takeover the org, or at least try to tie it up for years in litigation. The goal is to cripple the anointed Christian ministerial resource base (Dan8:11), because contrary to JW delusions, it is NOT done, a final witnessing cycle is required as per Revelation 10:11. [2]

But in that 7th King downfall context, as the 7th King is required to FALL before the 8th King World Government fully “rises”/”ascends” (Rev17:8-13; Rev11:7), world government is what will really be on the way. (Rev13:3; Isa41:1) So the enemy goal, inside of Bethel (Dan11:32a), is to stall and bewilder JWs, scatter them (Zech13:7), and try to get them to fail to make the final warning in time, >required by God<, BEFORE World government completes and triggers the Christ arrival, as the “second witnessing” (of the “TWO witnesses” [2])  is what God really will actually require (Rev10:11) from this temple judgment event and eventual JW purification (and recovery; Rev9, Dan8:14 “morning”; Hos6:1-3), now sorely required due to Bethel UN NGO and general lawlessness “WRONG condition”.

(Daniel 8:14) So he said to me: “Until two thousand three hundred evenings [and] mornings; and [the] holy place will certainly be brought into its RIGHT CONDITION.” [2B]


IN the meantime, most JWs will eat the Bethel GB “Pied Piper” bait and flute strains:

[1] WT quote (WT 11/15/2013, pg. 20, par. 17, #3):

“”Elders who are reading this article can draw some useful conclusions from the account we have just considered:…

[And sandwiched into the admonishment:]

(3) At that time, the lifesaving direction that we receive from Jehovah’s organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint. All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not.

So, last but certainly not least, attempting to trap JWs globally, is also the goal, by use of misplaced trust in the enemy controlled, so-called, “lifesaving organization”. [2C]
[2] Why TWO Witnesses?
[2B] Daniel 8:13-14 Diametric “Wrong Condition” at Apostate Bethel Since 1944—It’s Future Fulfillment and Implications

[2C] Your Deliverance is Getting Near!—The Question is: Deliverance to What?


[QUOTE who=”Sparlock”]<quoted text>
Not sure what odd definition you are using that requires someone to be a prophet to simply notice what happened in the past. By your odd, Watchtowerian definition, historians would be prophets.

You do realize that predictions are for future events, not past ones, right?

Hypocritically as it is, YOU are the one who continues making prophecies about things to come with this religion. I think you should take a step back and really do some self-evaluation. You’re on an unhealthy path.[/QUOTE]

I simply point out your “prediction” is also your “prophecy”. JWs have as much right as you to make personal “predictions”, or anyone else too, and WE all do; many people like to speculate on the future—its quite normal. (it shows we still have a functioning brain)

Now with Bethel or any other religion, they all make claims, ALL OF THEM, but JWs go out and make them known, so they are on the front burner. Mixed in with JW valid prophecy in Revelation and Daniel 12, is also Bethel maintained error since 1990, in regard to the third UN step towards world government. (Dan11:31b; Dan8:23) With ZERO comment from Bethel, in lieu of the just concreting JWs into a past era, where WW2 was the most significant even.

Forget about the end of the Cold War, the fall of the USSR, the globalization of Russia and China, the world government “new world order” statements, not significant for “Awake! magazine”, a veritable coma on paper. Rather, let the WTBTS adjoin to the United Nations for Organizations, by way of the UN>>UN Secretariat>>UN-DPI>>Outreach Division>>UN NGO and start to co-promote the “New World Order”, instead—no biggie.

Mixed in with that is various stumbling block teachings, policies and CRIMINAL activities carried out by Bethel’s internal criminal network (the “leadership”), which purpose is to eventually get the “organization” into serious legal traps and nightmares, for very real crimes, at massive global scale, in the future—in a midnight tidal wave tsunami of the WTBTS corporate takeover.

Which Bethel will sell to JWs as if “it IS the end of the world brothers!”


Now one cannot have an organized crime unit as effective as the Global-Bethel rackets and laundering system, in the 20 BILLION dollar range (since 1980), quite conservatively, AND a perfect “soon, very soon” they will attack the org brothers! expectation in the JW head, to cover up what is a CORPORATE TAKEOVER ATTEMPT, plain and simple.

And further, you JWs “must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not”.

And that sets off no red flags? Please. Its taking billions in candy from a baby in the comatose JW “nation”, and herdign them too to prison and FEMA to boot. We were not born yesterday here.

All the typical JWs and JW critics, ALIKE, merely go with their first knee jerk reaction to this overall massive JW-setup development, one claiming to still be a valid ministry in JWs and the other claiming it to never have been valid in the first place.

They cannot both be right, but they can both be wrong, as BOTH camps are incorrect, and deluded in their own ways, BY THE SAME EXPERT INTERNAL BETHEL SUBVERSION OPERATION AT BETHEL. And thus both groups will miss the meaning of this action. (Dan11:41; Dan8:13-14) It will not be “the end”, it will be a corporate takeover attempt on Bethel.

All I do is try to encourage JWs and others to take a slightly deeper assessment of the 10 BILLION DOLLAR Bethel setup.

Just like Las Vegas, you do not have a MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR cash cow, like Bethel, guarded by babies like JWs, and not have certain people interested in figuring out how to get inside, establish control, and then skim, and rip off the joint by an expertly designed infiltration operation—for expert criminals it is what they do.

Like the movie “Casino”, the mafia infiltrated. Prior to that time the FBI and NYPD and others, thought the “mafia is a conspiracy theory”, which anyone can research from Don Brasco’s story. But who really came in and took over the empire, the mafia?

No, US intel, using CIA and FBI tools, took over and placed subordinate criminal networks under their top down corporate authority in Vegas, it is there to this day. The mafia is still there, they are just kept in their place, the corporate intel is who now “skims” the joint, by far more precise and scientifically implemented methods, through the corporate, not the “mafia”, conduits.

“Ace: After the Teamsters got knocked out of the box, the corporations tore down practically every one of the old casinos. And where did the money come from to rebuild the pyramids? Junk bonds.”

Of course there was far more to the real and entire story.

What on earth do people think the NSA, DHS, CIA, ATF and FBI do? What about the other top intel organizations in all the other nations?


Are they all really just a “conspiracy theory”? They do nothing? They do not exist? Yeah, right.

The same thing, but better, they are an organized “Global Mafia” so to speak. Unlike the mafia, if the CIA wants to make a point, they could kill a Mafia “Don”, and go to Italy and kill his whole family, and dig up his grand parents bones and turn them into lime. THAT is what the CIA and its special ops arms can do. The mafia cannot do that, they are subject to the CIA and their arsenal of strategists, funding, experts and special operations technologies.

And THAT is what Bethel has in their house. (Dan11:32a) But it is five birds with one stone, rip of JWs in the billions, discredit their former ministry, cancel their ministry, and then go for the whole organization and r/f JWs globally, and try to get them all.

But some people have to make their point, on this and that, without waiting for time to let it play out. I am one of these people too.

Sorry I could not give you the “first reaction” view for the JW-critic zombie side of the coin. Now a days, either you know about this stuff, or you are as asleep as JWs. The same guys are working on both groups, to keep them ALL asleep as long as possible.


[QUOTE who=”Lordylordy9111″]<quoted text>
You can see in all Marcus’s videos he is struggling with his faith in Jesus because of Bethel’s apostasy which has stumbled tens of thousands a year. Hope he doesn’t lose his faith in Jesus.
He raised a good point about how uncaringly he was treated him when Bethel was laid off and now realizing he was wronged by being taught not to pursue an education.
This really shows how disfunctional Bethel is because they taught everyone to be completely reliant on them and not to become a person completely competent in education that is work related beyond field service.
Bethelites have NOTHING beyond Bethel. This is a hard lesson to learn in life at 40 (?) years old but Marcus is learning by his mistakes of completely trusting Bethel gb serpents and being betrayed and can help other who are doing the same thing.
Bethel gb are not loving men and have no idea how to care for God’s sheep. Everyone will soon see the fact of this.
I hope we are prepared to help those in need of spiritual guidance after they are betrayed like Marcus.
Bethel broke Jesus Blood covenant and committed fornication with the Wild Beast. God’s judgment is upon them (Peter 4:17).[/QUOTE]

This brother was also gang raped by the elders:

Love & Greetings to Bethelites & former Bethelites

Confession: Events that led to learning the truth about the “truth”

Come on now! They should have re-instated that poor guy on the spot, them buncha vultures of mercilessness.

True, people’s faith gets tested, while the elders get a millstone fitting.

(Matthew 18:10-11) SEE TO IT that you men do not despise one of these little ones; for I tell you that their angels in heaven always behold the face of my Father who is in heaven.

So God knows, these “little ones” are as good as in. It is the elders who now have hell to pay.

(Matthew 18:6) . . .But whoever stumbles one of these little ones who put faith in me, it is more beneficial for him to have hung around his neck a millstone such as is turned by an ass and to be sunk in the wide, open sea.

Bethel never covers these scriptures. I guess they think Christ was just joking around. He wasn’t, nor is he going to let Bethel’s stumblers and sheep-beaters get off.

Bethel’s judgment is going to be HEAVY and HUGE! And they got it coming.


[QUOTE who=”Sparlock”]<quoted text>
I never predicted anything about the future. I was very specific in that I was speaking about the PAST. The past and the future are not the same thing.
There is nothing unique or special about this religion or these people. It’s the same high-control, false religious playbook that has been used by countless hateful religious rulers throughout human history and has left a long line of victims in its wake.
That’s speaking about the past, bubba. You’re confusing even yourself now.
You’re trying too hard to justify your irrational feelings about this religion and these people.[/QUOTE]


You seem to have “selective memory”. Let me refresh your limited sponge:


Eventually=IN THE FUTURE:

“Eventually you’re going to have to deal with the fact that there is not, nor has there ever been, anything unique about this religion or this group of people.

You finally get to the past, AFTER you make the prophecy of the FUTURE in: I will “Eventually .. have to deal with the fact that there is not.. anything unique about this religion or this group of people” IN THE FUTURE, in my Sparlock Foretold (supposed) coming awareness.


I doubt it.

In my opinion you will have to come to grips with REALITY: IN THE FUTURE, “Eventually you’re going to have to deal with the fact that there is, and has been from the start, something unique about this FAITH and this PARTICULAR group of people—though now, temporarily, in Bethel borne apostasy.

THAT is my “prophecy” of YOUR FUTURE.

You may just remain in incalcitrant stubborn denial, I really do not know. But JWs (as a group) will not be going away before the world in general, that I will bet my life on. But it will take a few years, there is no “doomsday” per se. IT goes to World Government first.

Imo, my prophecy is a little scarieir than yours, that is the real problem isn’t it? Give it time there Mr. Sparlock the Impatient Prophet. Give ‘er time. Time. T – I – M – E….


[QUOTE who=”array”]<quoted text>Silly doll. go ahead and defend 1919.

1914-1919 Can Be IDd by far more than just Daniel 4.

1. 1914 can be defended because Daniel 4 “seven times”, which some people have indeed attempted to discredit, is only one of the ways to arrive at 1914. Daniel 4 is a “stand alone” prophecy.

2. But the 1914 incept 1260 days (Dan7:25; Dan12:7; Rev11:2-3, Rev12:6,14, Rev13:5), manifested INDEPENDENT of the Daniel 4 prophecy, if we notice.

A. And it has FIVE CONTEXTUAL EVIDENTIARY PROPHECIES to found 1914 by yet another manner. (Dan7:25; Dan12:7; Rev11:2-3, Rev12:6,14, Rev13:5)

B. And it manifested at a unique point in 1914, not in “October of 1914” but in December. (December 1914 to June 1918)

C. So it too is not dependent on Daniel 4, and has five prophecies in cross-related parallel form to establish the 1914 validity.

3. And those “cross referenced” 1260 days (1914-1918) prophecies just so happened to refer to and see a first WW1 “global distress” cycle, that conveniently resolved, into a first World Government “image” “disgusting thing” placement on the world seen. (Rev13:11-15; Dan12:11 became undeniable in time),

A. The 7th King and the 8th King “image” just so happened to manifest together in th 1914-1918 WW1 cycle.

4. AND further, a notable anti-Kingdom ministerial attempted cessation (1918-1919) also occurred, AT THE SAME TIME, while the sovereign warning of human ruling expiration was being given as the single most important warning theme of that Russell era ministry, which also just so happened to manifest as well.

All coincidence? Really?

God is no dummy, He has ASSURED the enemies, easy-doubters and the wafflers cannot simply overturn 1914 because they do not like the idea the world got a FULL SOVEREIGN WARNING of the end of its rival sovereignty under Satan.

THAT SIMPLE TRUTH OF DIVINE WARNING is what all this “1914 blah, blah, blah” is distracting from, as all the sleepers and eat the bait.

It seems many seem to think Christ is never going to arrive, and that the rulers of this world will rule with Satan forever and ever, and that just because Bethel went UN NGO apostates, it must mean the whole Bible is a big lie too. Pie in the sky.

But in reality this is an extended warning, that apostate Bethel (Dan11:32a) has now also re-silenced (Dan8:12), as their judgment (Dan8:13-14) and removal (Dan11:41) will lead to the final warning (Rev9-11:1-7) which will also expose the purpose of the UN NGO Bethel apostasy which aids the 1914 discrediting by modern rampant reproach and hypocrisy.

So of course they are going to call 1914 a “delusion” and a lie, which the League of Nations is really the delusional lie of the nucleus of World Government in 1919. Want to doubt something? Doubt the United Nations, they got the warning, whether they disclose it or not, they KNOW what that sovereign expiration means, and that is why they erected their “disgusting thing” to flip the bird to God in reaction to that warning in 1919.

Though 1914 has over 10 explicit or principle prophecies to help identify 1914, WW1 itself is now a recognized first global-cycle for a capping World Government [designate] “disgusting thing” presentation, THE FIRST OF FOUR (WW1, WW2, Cold WW3), and there is a final one to come from this final world war coming up, no matter how it may manifest. (Rev13:3; Rev17:8-18)

WW1 was no usual war, and the League is no innocent international social club, but THE FORETOLD STAUNCH rival of God’s Kingdom, all stated and known, in spite of all the doubt and diversion, WW1’s cycle and its World Government pitch, was the key to also establish 1914.

And though JWs are going down (Dan8:13-14), as foretold, 1914 will come back up, it will not go away as the final warning precedes world government, by another 1260 days, “seven times” as 2520 days, as Revelation 8-11 repeats for TWO witnessings.

World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3; Dan12:11), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

That is basically what they were saying in 1914, it just took time to put the UN 1-2-3-4 presentations together as Bethel silences the 1990 3rd UN presentation after the Cold War, while many Rookie JWs have never been properly taught what Old School Jehovah’s Witnesses are all about. They will get a crash course.

So 1914 being a lie and a delusion is simply pie in the sky for the escape artists trying to dodge the end as long as they can.


[QUOTE who=”Hungarian 101″]<quoted text>
Good post,
interesting layout of what is to come!
What fellowship do you belong to?
I am a Pentecostal Christian.[/QUOTE]

I am of the Christian Faith. In “ex-religious” terms basically a former “organizational” JW, but still God’s witness, just do not accept modern Bethel, they are the signal “in house” apostasy JWs are supposed to on the look out for. And I shun the Bethel apostates and fled from their “organization”. (Matt24:15 requirement)

As far as other Christian “religions” it is the same but bigger boat. In time we find out FAITH is what matters, not “religion”.

God will assess the FAITH of all people, not some narrow “religion” that simply go bad, even if they are newbies like less than 100 year old Jehovah’s witnesses. JWs going down first (Dan8:13-14), to be eventually recovered, and that allows a generic warning to affect many other “religious” people (and others), because in time, sure enough, world government is what is coming.

EVERYTHING ELSE, including JWs, as just a distraction from GUARANTEED World Government a number of years from now.

The reason this is important to know is because:

World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3; Dan12:11), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

That is a very generic Christian truth. Thus many can just accept, that in many cases, they will soon be mono-a-mono with the Christ of God, and he is out for salvation first:

Global Open Salvation—How Christ Completes His Own Ministry

But the point is, of course any “religious” label is going to pale in comparison to the REAL THING, and the more all of use CONCENTRATE ON THE FAITH OF CHRIST, not the religious distractions, the stronger our faith will become.

“RELIGION” is designed to try to undermine and mislead faith, to itself, such as at Bethel.

FAITH and obedience to GOD, not faith and obedience to “religion”, is ALL there is:

(Revelation 14:12) . . .Here is where it means endurance for the holy ones, those who observe the commandments of God and the FAITH of Jesus.”

I am just trying to say the final global judgment has some big milestones to manifest before it comes, like the JW downfall.

World government will “arrive” before Christ arrives.

That is good to know.

Christ completes his own ministry, in Revelation 14 post Christ arrival final sequence. “Religion” will be of no use. FAITH is what will lead to salvation. Religions will end up promoting the 666 wildbeast as if it is “God’s Kingdom”, because they did not understand world government arrives first:

World Government and Premature “Fulfillment” of Prophecy

I tell you this because the future will reveal this, and it will put EVERY FORECAST OUT THERE ALL to the same test of time and FAITH.

BIG OPEN SALVATION, for ANYONE, is the truthful message all the way to Christ arrival and after. “Religion” is meaningless to God. True Christianity is a FAITH, not a “religion”. It makes it easier to see what really matters, which is not religious CEOs and their fat cat castles.


[QUOTE who=”Hungarian 101″]<quoted text>
Good post,
interesting layout of what is to come!
What fellowship do you belong to?
I am a Pentecostal Christian.[/QUOTE]

The fact will become the WTBTS downfall will be ENORMOUS (Dan11:41; Dan8:13-14), the global context of the US and EU nation-state deposition will be ENORMOUS in distracting context. (Dan11:42-43)

Now Bethel is just a VISIBLE CUE of a Christian temple judgment, but they cannot take down all global religion, or Christendom, because the nation-state take down is too big, and of higher priority.

But JWs are small, yet prominent and controversial enough to take down with the US/EU meltdown developments, for a signal in time.

As proof you can verify in grand progressive manner in the future,

1. Daniel 11:41 will come on the Bethel visible system, so that later it can be a context of prophetic explanation.

2. The nation-state “King South” global system, will be made financially subservient as per Daniel 11:42-43.

And all that BEFORE World Government of Daniel 11:45.

The Bethel “the end”, though appearing for a time to be valid, will fail, and that first. Bethel’s ripe false forecast is the FIRST to fail, as will the general rapture in all forms, pre-trib, during trib, post trib. World Government is what triggers Christ arrival, the “tribulation of those days” resolves into that World Government.

Bethel fails first because they have committed their forecast in great detail first, engineered by misapplication TOO SOON. (2Thess2:1-2)

Bethel wants to sell the 7th King fall, required first BEFORE “8th King” rise (Rev17:8-13; Rev11:7), as “the end”. It is severe, but it “heals” by design into World Government. (Rev13:3) KEEP THAT IN MIND ALL THE TIME! DO NOT FREAK OUT WITH OTHERS EXPECTING “DOOMSDAY” AND “THE END” WAY TOO SOON.

Bethel also wants to have that “it’s the end of the world brothers!!!” EFFECT in the JW mind, to cloak the reality of their apostate Bethel downfall, that it is not the end, but it is the temple judgment, IN DISAPPROVAL. (1Pet4:15-17; Dan8:13-14; Zech3:1-5; Mal3:1-5; Rev8:3-5)

Bethel wants to sell their apostasy end, as if “the end” to smokescreen it all for a few years. They will toss JWs into a GLOBAL HOAX.

To prove it to yourself, Daniel 8:13-14 events and timing will BEGIN with the major JW org downfall (Dan11:41 context), and or ministry cancellation event marker of the future. It goes on for 3.19 years “trampling”, then the Bethel obstacles are removed (Isa66:6), and eventually exposed as JWs recover 3.19 more years. 3.19 years “the evening” 3.19 years “the morning”. In time JWs have to accept this reality. (Dan8:13-14,26)

In any event it is 3.19 years minimum (Dan8:14) and probably 6.38 year total. We shall see, because Daniel 8:13-14 will prove itself, in time.

Babylon the Great does not go down first as Bethel misleads. It goes down AFTER it has led all it can to 666 world government, under world government to make way for the “One World Religion” of Satan and 8th King World Government. BTG goes down in grand manner under world government. Some people will also be saved from that event. (Rev14:6-8; Rev11:13 “one tenth the city”)


[QUOTE who=”Sparlock”]<quoted text>
That was about YOU. That’s why it has the word “you’re” in it. That is not about predicting the future of the Watchtower religion. The Watchtower religion’s fate was sealed the moment it started back in the 1800s, just like the fate of all the other false religions just like it was sealed when they were invented.
I apologize for giving you the credit of thinking you would actually realize what has been going on around you in the past up until RIGHT NOW some day. Clearly you’d prefer to stay in your dream world.[/QUOTE]

Says you. I say you are in the bubble. But that was your prophecy of the future, regardless how you want to rationalize it. But time is what will make many rethink their knee-jerk reaction imo.

I just say there is more to the Bethel “typical” “random hypocrisy”, it is on purpose, aided from within, and with a big dollar score as the goal as well. It is not the napkin summary here or at JWN.

Both JWs and JW critics are equally deluded, just in different manners.

1. JW Critics: Many JW critics do not want to accept the original validity of the JW ministry…

In the same manner of denail

2. JWs: Some JWs do not want to accept their once valid ministry is now in foretold UN aligned apostasy.

And thus BOTH groups are in for the shock of their lives.

I like to reverse engineer this very very interesting corporate takeover development, showing intelligent long range planning since the 1940s, which outlines the purpose of various features of the JW delusion set. Bethel uses their own former prophecy, but over advanced and misappled to give JWs the impression “the end is right around the corner”.

Therein the unique coming corporate raid on Bethel, to be aided by criminal prosecutions and massive punitive litigative entanglements and accelerators, thus has the perfect smokescreen cover story to sell the raid to JWs as “the end”, as JWs will actually aid Bethel’s deposition process due to this key deception.

Now that, imo, is far more than just coincidence when we understand major engineered global war and US/EU financial catastrophes are actually what is “right around the corner” to depose the national sovereign system, by mostly bankruptcy, into world government dominating wealth authority.

So they want to sell the end of the nation-state era of diffused sovereignty, to JWs, as if it too is “the end of the world brothers!!!!”, but in reality the WORLD GOVERNMENT birthing cycle “rise”, is what the world will see and experience until full world government is “placed”. (Rev17:8-18; Dan12:11; Dan11:45; Dan8:25)

Thus prophecy also “just so happens” to have the same outline, as what many globalism forecasters are also describing, but in secular terms of geo-political transition into world government. Shoot, even many community colleges now teach globalism courses and understand world government is on the way. A specialized school like Thunderbird School of Global Management, expects people to already understand globalism completes globalization whose end product is of course: World Government, as they train their students for corporate roles in the “new world order”.

All accidental? Not likely.

The fact is everyone who knows anything, already knows world government is coming, even Google. Google only feeds back about 350 million “world government” web pages and videos, that’s all! LOL

By now people either see this coming, or they are in the nation-state fog, like most people of planet Earth.

And therein lies all the difference in the forecast logic, some simply do not understand the purpose of globalism, or its maturing reality, and that world government is what triggers the Christ arrival. It is pretty easy to prove from prophecy as well, because there are only about 7 chapters, like around 10 pages, to analyze for this very pattern.

Either you can get the gist of it, or you are in the dark with JWs.


[QUOTE who=”wilg”]the point i was making had to do with your interpreting prophecy… and there are a lot of specific things pointed out that i see you havent taken into consideration.. your application of the prophecy in reality, is like your trying to make things fit that prophecy, instead of letting the prophecies be the blueprint… and the fact that you keep laying it all out with your specifics shows you dont understand the outworking of the prophecies in reality, because of your trying to make things fit… there are things that fit all on there own that dont really need much explaining..
you read all the related prophecies and watch whats going on… many things fit, certain things have yet to happen… some of the specific things going on in the world your referring to are relevant as far as part of being in the process of them, they show things are occurring, and the things that are occurring display many of the specific features of the individuals involved, and just how these things are being accomplished, based on the features given about the one doing them, his persona and his attributes… not necessarily whats going to happen, but what they are doing, what they are working towards… north means hidden or unknown… so the characteristics of the individual are the criteria… the little horn is part of a bigger entity, so the characteristics of that entity are also to be evaluated…
im mainly talking about perspective to the realities of the prophecies, being worked out…[/QUOTE]

World Government fits. It is what it is: 8th (final) King, e.g. Top of the World “King North”, nothing “hidden” about World Government is there?

I do not have to try too hard, to identify the coming global RIVAL GLOBAL-SOVEREIGN entity, in required complete form, that triggers God, Christ and Armageddon.

It just takes several more years, and the US/UK “7th King” “Fall” phase with the EU financial system, to enable the full 8th King “Rise” phase. (Very simple; Rev17:18-13; Rev11:7)

It HEALS into World Government. Very simple. (Rev13:3; Isa41:1)

Everyone and his mother sees this coming, there are only 350 million Google search returns for web pages and videos on this “world government” subject. It is called the US financial downfall. But it only affects the nation-state “King South” debt tier, the bankers will make a killing. (Dan11:42-43)

Pretty simple, not much required to “make it fit”, except you have to be up to date with the globalism and globalist financial system research. Now a days, people either see this coming, or they don’t. Simple as that, not much of a middle ground at this point since 2008 “global credit crisis”.

If you think 2008 was meaningless, you are one not getting it yet. But in time, you will, because we will have to “get it”. Big global change is coming.

When Central Banks Rule the World

Catherine Austin Fitts at the Secret Space Program—Parallel Global Finance System

Catherine Austin Fitts: The Private Hostile Takeover Of The World Economy


[QUOTE who=”wilg”]

im mainly talking about perspective to the realities of the prophecies, being worked out…[/QUOTE]

It “works out” at GLOBAL scale. There are only two power systems on earth today:

1. The nation-state “south”

2. The globalization “north”

No need to look for “individuals” and minutia in specifics, for the “big picture”: World Government.

All nations will be either financially or militarily pulled under world government. All we need is a final global “sword stroke” cycle to do it.

“North” means “the top”. Not “hidden”. World Government is hidden in plain sight, if you want to put it that way.

Many people want to live in denial that the globalist “new world order” will succeed, it cannot be overcome now. And that is why people try to avoid that final dot, and its implications.

There is no escape; except Jesus Christ. Only God and Christ can put and end to the “new world order”, world government. People are looking for a “reform” or “awakening” or “revolution” solution to the NWO. All those things only help the NWO.

The national system is DONE, just a matter of a little more time.

People just did not realize, world government, not God, is who deposes the nations first, as vassal puppets to 100%. (Dan11:42-43)

People also did not realize World Government “arrives” BEFORE Jesus Christ “arrives”.

And because of that, they will cloak the 8th King world government DECOY as if “God’s Kingdom”, BEFORE God’s Kingdom comes, and the global-religions (Rev17:3) will roll out the red-scarlet 666 carpet for that entity.

Few want to accept the bitter truth. And in time it will come to a head.

[QUOTE who=”wilg”]the point i was making had to do with your interpreting prophecy… and there are a lot of specific things pointed out that i see you havent taken into consideration.. your application of the prophecy in reality, is like your trying to make things fit that prophecy, instead of letting the prophecies be the blueprint… and the fact that you keep laying it all out with your specifics shows you dont understand the outworking of the prophecies in reality, because of your trying to make things fit… there are things that fit all on there own that dont really need much explaining..
you read all the related prophecies and watch whats going on… many things fit, certain things have yet to happen… some of the specific things going on in the world your referring to are relevant as far as part of being in the process of them, they show things are occurring, and the things that are occurring display many of the specific features of the individuals involved, and just how these things are being accomplished, based on the features given about the one doing them, his persona and his attributes… not necessarily whats going to happen, but what they are doing, what they are working towards… north means hidden or unknown… so the characteristics of the individual are the criteria… the little horn is part of a bigger entity, so the characteristics of that entity are also to be evaluated…
im mainly talking about perspective to the realities of the prophecies, being worked out…[/QUOTE]

But with all due respect wilg, WHO can simply waffle around like that in your above total ambiguity forever? All you are doing is nothing, over and over again, until th real thing drops in on you like a bomb.

THAT is all that waffling around accomplishes: NOTHING but slumber.

That is why I do not just wait around forever waiting for it to “explain itself”, because we can know now world government is coming. WHY I ask, beat around the bush like that? Fear? What is it?

WHY do people not want Christ to arrive, and to know what TRIGGERS his arrival? WHY????

WHAT are you really looking for? A nice comfy life as long as you can? An endless waffling fantasy about it all, just kicking the can down the road forever and ever hoping it all never comes true? Because that is all you are doing, kicking the can down the road.

I am not waffling anymore, I am giving it my best shot to summarize this for others to consider, not shoving down their throat, just trying to help them see PATTERNS and CYCLES and where they lead.

Plus this is the BIGGEST SALVATION TAKE on the Christ arrival one can find on the Web:

Global Open Salvation—How Christ Completes His Own Ministry

And that is because Christ will be arriving to SAVE FIRST. The “great tribulation” is NOT “doomsday”, it resolves (Matt24:29) into world government and the Christ arrival.

So this take is NO “doomsday” message but on of BIG SALVATION. Even the Babylon the Great downfall will save many people FREED from that system, at the very end. (Rev11:13; Rev14:6-8)

Nothing wrong with making SALVATION “fit” the big picture. Nothing wrong at all, with telling the TRUTH it is a BIG and OPEN SALVATION mission ALL THE WAY through the temple judgment, “tribulation of those days”, world government “one hour” and Christ arrival.

CHRIST finishes his own ministry in person, in universally seen glory as foretold, to SAVE many first in his manifestation that will turn the Earth upside down to shake out HIS final “sheep”.

BIG SALVATION! THAT is the purpose and final objective: BIG HUGE SALVATION for millions upon millions of people, some saved who will not have even known of Christ, until that very time.

[QUOTE who=”imagoodboy”]<quoted text>
Hey I like that. That’s good that makes a lot of sense to Col 1:15. He has stripped the governments and the authorities bare and has publicly exhibited them as conquered, leading them in a triumphal procession by means of it.
Col 2:10 the one who is the head of all government and authority.
So Jesus in his kingdom has all the governments under his authority they are vassals to him! So they should all obey him. So right from the first century God’s kingdom has been operational!

God’s Kingdom has been “operational” for all eternity. What we are talking about is the Messianic “Kingdom of the World” agency of Earthly Sovereign focus (Rev11:15), not God’s Kingdom.

(Daniel 2:31-45) “You, O king, happened to be beholding, and, look! a certain immense image. That image, which was large and the brightness of which was extraordinary, was standing in front of you, and its appearance was dreadful… 34 You kept on looking until a (MESSIANIC KINGDOM) stone was cut out not by hands, and it struck the image on its feet of iron and of molded clay and crushed them. 35 At that time the iron, the molded clay, the copper, the silver and the gold were, all together, crushed and became like the chaff from the summer threshing floor, and the wind carried them away so that no trace at all was found of them. And as for the stone that struck the image, it became a large mountain and filled the whole earth. (MESSIANIC KINGDOM OF THE WORLD)…

43 Whereas you beheld iron mixed with moist clay, they will come to be mixed with the offspring of mankind; but they will not prove to be sticking together, this one to that one, just as iron is not mixing with molded clay. 44 “And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom (Obviously the new Messianic Kingdom) that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite; 45 forasmuch as you beheld that out of the mountain (GOD’S KINGDOM) a (MESSIANIC KINGDOM) stone was cut not by hands, and [that] it crushed the iron, the copper, the molded clay, the silver and the gold. The grand God himself has made known to the king what is to occur after this. And the dream is reliable, and the interpretation of it is trustworthy.”

There are TWO “kingdoms”, that is why there is also the Kingdom Covenant Christ makes, in addition to the “New Covenant” that empowered that, that God makes, with certain humans:

(Luke 22:28-30) . . .“However, you are the ones that have stuck with me in my trials; 29 and I make a covenant with you (2), just as my Father has made a covenant with me (1), for a kingdom, 30 that you may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones to judge the twelve tribes of Israel.

The Messianic Kingdom God sets up, is the one coming to future completion, only “born” in 1914, and it will depose 8th King World Government. (when they are final complete, stated and ready for The War with God and Christ’s Kingdom powers);

Before that occurs there will be a Kingdom “2.0 Witnessing”, regarding the Messianic Kingdom completion and arrival. Jehovah’s witnesses gave the “1.0 Witnessing” in 1914-1919. (Rev11:1-7)

It repeats in the future, after God topples apostate Bethel (Dan8:13-14):

(Revelation 10:11) And they say to me: “You must prophesy AGAIN with regard to peoples and nations and tongues and many kings.”

Revelation 10:5-11 import truly “brought to a finish”:

(Revelation 10:6-7) : “There will be no delay any longer; 7 but in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to blow his trumpet, the sacred secret of God according to the good news which he declared to his own slaves the prophets is indeed brought to a finish.”

Why TWO Witnesses?

JW Current Apostate Status and Final Temple Judgment – Web Witnessing Record; The Bethel Apostasy is Prophecy

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