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[QUOTE who=”Lordylordy9111″]<quoted text>
You have exposed the cia and the bankers how they corrupted Bethel in chronological order because Bethel was exposing them by warning us against the League and the UN.

The bankers and cia have done the same to all religions especially Bethel because they were telling the Truth on the League and the UN; and the Catholics because they teach about Jesus and its size. The cia and bankers want to get rid of anyone speaking of the Truth about the League, UN, or Jesus.[/QUOTE]

I. The Setup of the Real Daniel 8:13-14

Exactly. The UN-Bethel “Pea” has merely joined into the overall UN Support “Pod”, sealed in UN covenant as global public “UN NGO”. Now they are as good as UN-Christendom also corporately UN aligned. Bethel was merely the last religious hold out, who has now folded in too.

Now as Bethel applies Daniel 8:14 “right condition”, since 1944, to a “Theocratic Organization” parallel BULL, that has brought about, in part, what will be discussed next, Daniel 8:13-14 must in time become a prophecy that will rear up and bite Bethel’s in the arse! They have unwittingly, or as purposeful blasphemy, been claming to be the Daniel 8:14 “right condition” since 1944. (Pay [No] Attention to Daniels’s Prophecy; chap. 10 pp. 177-179 Who Can Stand Against the Prince of Princes?)

Now keep that “right condition” claim in mind, knowing the GB sprung up for the first time in 1944, to accomplish all this jUNk below, later. And then think how that reflects on that so-called “right condition” LIE!

II. UN NGO System Expansion Silence

The point of what will follow is the United Nations UN NGO tier is a MAJOR SIGNIFICANT GLOBAL EXPANSION of the UN system into every aspect of human society globally, in an of itself and the context in which the UN NGO system has EXPLODED in Global UN Agenda implementation of the actual Framework of that sector of the UN “New World Order”, actually manifesting in such global-groundwork!:

And Bethel helped push the NWO Main Mantra and its real claims among Jehovah’s witnesses:

*** Awake! 1991 9/8 p. 3 What Is Happening at the United Nations? ***

“”By doing this, they can complete the “historic movement towards a new world order and a long era of peace.”””

RATHER THAN explain what the UN NGO system >>[itself]<< ACTUALLY is: UN Global Expansion to the ground levels societal level!

Yet others were exposing the UN system goals at that time:

1. The United Nations Exposed (2001)
2. Global Tyranny…Step by Step: The United Nations and the Emerging New World Order (1992)
Books by William F. Jasper

So Bethel UN NGO, while remaining silent on all this, is of course damning evidence they are UN ch-whorets instead, as foretold at Daniel 11:32a (Dan8:12 parallel)

UN for Nations (1919-1945) to UN for Organizations (1990) to UN For Everyone (Future)

The UN NGO tier is the lowest overall UN Global Tier, (for now, since 1990) of the UN “New World Order” actually demonstrating its form of societal “order” by a thing like that “United Nations Department of Public Information” new post 1990 UN “Outreach Division” UN NGO system which “serves the broadest audience”, (3) below:

1. The Strategic Communications Division (SCD) formulates and launches global information campaigns on UN issues. …

2. The News and Media Division (NMD) works with news outlets from around the world in all media – television, radio, internet – to disseminate information on the United Nations and its work. ….

3. The Outreach Division (OD) serves the broadest audience – the general public – through special public events, publications, services for visitors including guided tours, library services, and partnerships with educational institutions and non-governmental organizations or NGOs.

NGO association with DPI

DPI works closely with Non-governmental organizations (NGOs) to disseminate information about United Nations issues so the public can better understand the aims and objectives of the organizations. It is one of the members of the United Nations Development Group with its Regional Commissions (ECA, ECE, ECLAC, ESCAP, ESCWA), rotating annually.

Any recognized national or international or multinational NGO can apply if it meets certain minimal criteria.””

What the UN NGO system is, is this overall goal of expanded UN participation:

“The UNECE Convention on Access to Information, Public Participation in Decision-making and Access to Justice in Environmental Matters, usually known as the Aarhus Convention, was signed on 25 June 1998 in the Danish city of Aarhus. ”

Does Bethel even touch on such a UN expansion reality? No, for 20 years of this UN activity of Revelation 16:13-16 “gathering” force, they remain SILENT. Globalization, UN NGO system, are all “gather than nations” “into one” (Ps2) significance, easy to see and explain, and Bethel says NOTHING! ANy time they talk UN, is to promote WHO or UNICEF or some other UN globalization device! All undercover as constant references to UN orgs, special years and “Universal Declaration”, Bethel’s “other Bible”, the UN Bible.

(No wonder Bethel needs UN Library access, they can get at any university, to plug their UN pals books and expanding organizations.)

Bethel’s does plug many of these UN Organizations:

But they do not tell people their purpose. Nor do they clearly explain the further UN expansion goal of the low level UN NGO root spread into all society, globally. In fact Bethel COVERS UP, now more, than they ever exposed! These modern cover ups are as enormous as the UN real system!

The United Nations, NGOs and Global Governance,-ngos-and-global-governance

What it is is the UN “new world” ORDER spreading to communal level globally!

More info:

UN Outreach

It has progressed over time. So the general NGO entity concept:


Now branches out and down to all potential institutions, groups/orgs, and corporations interested, or brought in (even people and lobbies), by more UN expansion targeting to “broadest possible audience” at all kinds of levels:

Public-Private Partnerships at the United Nations, UNF/UNFIP

In reality there is no global-organizational-web as enormous as the UN system totality! It is OFF THE CHARTS!

And under it, all the national webs before it, will all fall under or be joined in, or are already joined in such as London Elite City Sovereignty, Vatican City, Washington DC, Federal Reserve, CFR, RIIA Chatham House, Tri-Lateral, Bilderberg, CIA, NATO, Gulf Cooperation Council, etc, etc, etc, etc. It all “wagon wheels” and hubs into the Elite system, that runs the UN shell system, that has all kinds of external supports seen and unseen, as now the UN NGO spreads out like mold into the lowest social levels of organizational UN membership and involvement!

And as it got more complicated, so did everything else like that elite sovereign finance system, the “Global NATO” black budget system, and on and on and on, at a time when Bethel needed to be cluing in JWs as to the initial developments in 1990 that were going to complicate beyond tracking and belief very soon. Instead, Bethel played dumb, and JWs actually went dumb. Of course ignoring 1990 3rd UN, and 911 and GWOT, are all part of Betehl’s secrecy agenda, while keeping JWs too busy in other “zeal” driven distractions.

The UN system is no small affair, nor “weak and ineffectual” in its globalist elite financial, technocratic and military supporters! They just want people to have that impression, until it is totally too late. And Bethel helps the secrecy agenda of UN system expansion, as now it has expanded beyond belief! It has compounded many times over in scale!.

Of course the NEXT STEP, along with all this UN system “new world order” expansion in all directions, is bringing individuals into the UN official network, under World Government—that is why all these conduits in, and now “outreached” to all kinds of social classes and tiers of society are really for: UN 666 For Everyone!. That is their goal as per Revelation 13:15-18 and Revelation 14:9-11.

And as you can see “Rotary Outreach” and UN Organization extensions, and many other “Outreach” branches have now also compounded in expansion since 1990 and after, and Bethel says NOTHING about what it really means: It is the assimilation of many social entities into the UN system, by first UN NGO membership. And that system is expanding to unbelievable proportions, that few are tracking the real meaning of, like Bethel.

And there is more and more that these orgs can do for the UN, and it will increase over time, until they are all “new world ordered” into the system that is really forming.

The purpose is the communal level conduits of getting individuals into the UN 666 totality, and as world government actually forms, it will get more and more direct on its ultimate goal. (Rev13:15-18)

Thus Bethel is IGNORING as a UN NGO, the very PURPOSE of the United Nations of Non-Governmental Organizations system objective globally in and of itself! As if the UN NGO system is nothing new!!!!!

And now that it could be explained in excruciatingly clear global detail, to let people see the 8th King UN system truly emerging through the cancerous spread of the UN system into the World Government totality, one step at a time, now even into societal organizations (at global scale), Bethel just let it all slip by with “no comment”.

Now a “UN NGO” “UN Consultative Status” can even allow an incorporated “person”, human or corporate “person”, to also “join the UN”.

“International, regional and national NGOs, non-profit public or voluntary organizations are eligible to obtain consultative status.”

United Nations Civil Society Participation—Consultative Status with ECOSOC and other accreditations

And that means “formal UN deliberations”, not just a UN NGO. That “Public Participation in Decision-making” goal, to entice all the busy bodies into the UN bottom floor! Of course they are always going to have some grandiose “betterment of mankind” and “upholding peace and freedom” cover goal.

We can bet Bethel still has UN “Consultative Status” persons and/or sub-corporate entities (maybe a few) STILL involved fully with the UN goals, as “UN Consultants” in some other branch of this UN Spider Web. It is all to get JWs also in line, by hook or crook, for the final NWO transition of the future. Now by this complicated expansion, other direct UN involvement is now not even suspect whatsoever to JWs:

For example one can meddle with OSCE:

Who is tied into the UN NGO system in another way, at a higher level:

“”One of OSCE’s closest partners is the United Nations. Co-operation was inititated in 1992, when the participating States declared the OSCE to be “a regional arrangement in the sense of Chapter VIII of the Charter of the United Nations”.””

By now some orgs are even installed by UN charter alignments! (Like OSCE in the above, whatever that “in the sense” means “a regional arrangement in the sense of Chapter VIII of the Charter of the United Nations”;)

So, one way or another they are daisy chaining Bethel in, and that is but one example.


But the gist is they can be involved with the UN in ways not as high profile as UN NGO, and yet with more direct UN participation. Now it is not just advertising UN mantras, holy days, declarations, organizations, UN books, globalist pal’s books and other UN “public informational” propaganda in the WTBTS publications—now its is involvement in UN “formal deliberations” and UN lobbying and UN investments, also hidden in that daisy chained labyrinth.

In fact the “UN Consultative Status” potential has orifices in pretty much every UN allied country, one way, or another! THAT is how bad it may be in the UN-Bethel pantheon! It has now branched out into many areas related to UN NGOs, but accessible by other means like ECOSOC and OSCE, etc, etc, etc, and a whole pantheon of UN organizational conduits into the UN, set up in all the nations. Ironically by the UN NGO distraction, though real, they are now totally UN aligned in other ways that developed also since 1991.

By now it has no meaning to JWs for Bethel to be a UN “Consultative Status”, one way or another, still in the place, because they too, have tentacled into a hard to track pantheon of sub-corporations and owners of private companies and financial mega-funds and hedge funds OF ALL MANNER OF LAUNDERING OF JW MONEY!

(Of course they will invest JW monies into the wildbeast system, and are now lobbying for it directly. Imagine the stuff we cannot see as the JW money is piped directly to UN and NATO expansion slush funds! Think Bethel is going to think that is “taboo”? Nope, to them it is “highest priority”, involve JWs with the wildbeast as well, by the route of well meaning donations!)

I would hate to see the financial layer of elite organizational involvement! (Actually I wish I could get those details, but you know what I mean.) We are just looking at the UN NGO layer of “broadest appeal”. Imagine what is hidden in that house of mirrors in the Global Bethel Corporate System? Many UN and Financial Overlord ligaments ties those skulls and bones together.

Bethel may very well also be a FUNCTIONING ELEMENT OF the wildbeast! Not just a sponsor! “Consultative Status” is beyond basic UN NGO involvement. But the money, the invisible tie to JWs, is going to many wildbeast projects, no doubt.

But as you can see even the fullest issue of the WTBTS UN NGO, is news to know, BUT it is not the whole story. The post 1990 UN NGO system is the part no one seems to notice what it really is, the UN Wildbeast Port for “all global citizens”. And that was bypassed by the Bethel scandal, thus in more ways than one.

III. Temple Judgment or JWs Would be Toast

If God did not step in by Christ, to clean out the temple and cleanse it (Dan8:13-14), the Bethel GB could just continue to morph JW perceptions over this final cycle to accept the NWO as God’s Kingdom with the GB as the Kings, JWs have rifted that far off of the original prophetic understanding. But imo they plan to sack it, because they know in time God will kick them out, but they will take it s far as they can. They will not stop the subversion, until God neutralizes them, covertly, well before the real “the end”, so the final summary can come out in time, BEFORE World Government completes.

Their goal is no clear warning given as to World Government ramifications, because when they complete their final abomination, they will trigger Christ. And that is why the full warning is prepared with divine aid, BEFORE that key global signal entity totally completes into their final sovereign statement and agenda period.

But by God dragging it out to the full course of the whole thing, it allows much of the final UN cycle to begin to “explain itself”, so many can catch on, even in generic form, with little understanding, even they can understand World Government is NOT going to be a good thing. Plus, as the are truly totally irreversible by nations or men, they can then come out and also fully announce their full World Government intent. It was from 1990 to now, that it needed to stay secretive, and Bethel has greatly aided such evil secrecy!

In fact Bethel has covered up the most significant developments of UN system expansion, since 1945, when old school Jehovah’s witnesses were exposing the UN developments the very moment they manifested!

How different Bethel is today! What a UN Crock and a UN Joke the Bethel UN Apostates are!

IV. Daniel 8:13-14 Comes Home

So OBVIOSULY Bethel has brought the temple not into the “right condition”, but into the “wrong condition”, the “UNright condition”.

(Daniel 8:14) So he said to me: “Until two thousand three hundred evenings [and] mornings; and [the] holy place will certainly be brought into its right condition.”

All that time since 1944, with this background GB cell just waiting to bud in in 1944 WW2 and Rutherford death distractions, all that time, to INSTEAD meet the WRONG CONDITION! Think about it, like “weeds” growing with “wheat” and their lies and truth AT THE SAME time, oh so slowly, Bethel devolved into a DIRECT UNITED NATIONS JW SUBVERTING UN NGO AND MODERN UN LOBBY!!!

ALL IN JUST 70 YEARS! And all in just 40 years of the illegal Governing Body experiment in dictatorial rule of JWs!!!!

(Daniel 8:12) And an (JW) army itself was gradually given over, together with the constant [feature]…

I’ll say! It sure was “GRADUALLY” “given over”!

And that is how Daniel 8:13-14 will now explode in Bethel’s “wrong condition” dirty face. (Zech3:3)

They couldn’t leave the Daniel 8:13-14 prophecy unexplained and updated in 1999, or JWs would start to look at it. And they do not have the real interpretation because they are the ” WRONG CONDITION” SINCE 1944, the exact opposite of their claims!

*** dp chap. 10 p. 179 par. 28-29 Who Can Stand Against the Prince of Princes? ***

“”It and other service-oriented articles of the same period indicated that the 2,300 days had ended and that “the holy place” was again in its “right condition.”””

“”And the sanctuary, in its rightful theocratic state, now continues to render sacred service to Jehovah.”” [ever since 1944!!!]


So, in time, something has to give, and it will be Bethel. The real Daniel 8:13 will now come upon them, and their real WRONG CONDITION!

And JWs who give a hoot about their faith and ministry will have to face Daniel 8:13-14 in time, because Bethel’s imploding TOTAL FAILURE of the claimed “right condition” will blow up in everyone’s face, when Bethel totally fails, as INSTEAD a foretold subversion of Daniel 8:12, and Daniel 11:30-32a; as a total UN ally instead, the whole time fully since 1990!

But 1976 GB did not help! It ENSURED this “Governing Body of a UN Agenda” apostate control center.

And they budded in 1944!

And that is when the problem BEGAN!

And they applied it all, all post 1944 morphing, to Daniel 8:14 as far as the “organizational adjustments” that instead allowed a Bethel DICTATORSHIP to form from the ground up, in the JW system, from congregation, to branch, then to Bethel by 1976. And then UN NGO, and soon the sacking.

Apostate Bethel UN-Mission Accomplished!



[QUOTE who=”Lordylordy9111″]<quoted text>

You have exposed the cia and the bankers how they corrupted Bethel in chronological order because Bethel was exposing them by warning us against the League and the UN.

The bankers and cia have done the same to all religions especially Bethel because they were telling the Truth on the League and the UN; and the Catholics because they teach about Jesus and its size. The cia and bankers want to get rid of anyone speaking of the Truth about the League, UN, or Jesus.[/QUOTE]

Now as one can imagine, BOTH JWs and JW critics will BOTH have dropped jaws, when they finally see the REAL INTERNAL PURPOSE of the GB UN Orifice into the JW ministry internally guided and financed subversion!

JWs are actually financing and paying the UN Boys at Bethel, to crash their own org! And let JP Morgan and Goldman Sacks send BILLIONS in JW funds where ever in the heck they want to!

JWs are UNknowingly involved in the funding of EVERY GLOBALIST warped agenda on all planet Earth! Imagine how much Globalist Agenda can be furthered by TEN BILLION DOLLARS in JW loot actually handed right to King North himself?

And that may be a low figure. They are going to rape-the-JW-kitty FOR BILLIONS, and God is going to let them! They bedded with the UN, we all saw it and heard of it in time to respond, and BETHEL DID NOTHING!

BUT ask for more King North LOOT!!!!!!!!!!! Beg, beg, beg!

This is SURREAL!

But try to imagine what all these anti-JW celebrators are going to think, when the REAL STORY finally comes out and that WORLD GOVERNMENT is on the way, as Bethel was all hush hush about for 20 years and that entity’s progress to the 8th King King North Globalized WORLD GOVERNMENT GOAL is what triggers the arrival of Jesus Christ!


(Habakkuk 1:5) See, you people, among the nations, and look on, and STARE IN AMAZEMENT at one another.

(Habakkuk 1:5-6) Be amazed; for there is an activity that one is carrying on in your days, [which] you people will not believe although it is related. 6 For here I am raising up the Chaldeans!!!

And those “Chaldeans” are the Nimrodian Globalists! Not some BTG Harlot system! That is the World Government Boys finishing off Daniel 11:40-41 at GLOBAL scale, all prepared and ready to go now, without so much as ONE PEEP from rich man UN Bethel.


Them Global Chaldeans, are the Daniel 2 HEAD OF GOLD Globalist top controllers of the MASCULINE Babylon symbol of Daniel, the core globalist wold government developers from of old, from of Nimrod’s time! (Gen10-11)

(Habakkuk 1:12) Are you not from long ago, O Jehovah? O my God, my Holy One, you do not die. O Jehovah, for a judgment you have set it; and, O Rock, for a reproving you have founded it.

God allows it for reproof (Dan8:13-14) and for the judgment it is set, to complete world government permitted by God, and crunching Bethel as the first phase of the final UN cycle to World Government is just to get EVERYONE’S ATTENTION!!!!!


All of Habakkuk is about World Government “Babylon” global TAKEOVER final cycle! And national King South system debt is going to help them do it!

(Habakkuk 2:6-7) Woe to him who is multiplying what is not his own—O how long!—and who is making debt heavy against himself! 7 Will not those claiming interest of you rise up suddenly, and those wake up who are violently shaking you, and you certainly become to them something to pillage? (Dan11:42-43 outcome)


Now Babylon was the lender, NOT the debtors, but the takers:

(Isaiah 39:1-2) At that time Merodach-baladan the son of Baladan the king of Babylon sent letters and a gift to Hezekiah, after he heard that he had been sick but was strong again. 2 So Hezekiah began to rejoice over them and proceeded to show them his treasure-house, the silver and the gold and the balsam oil and the good oil and all his armory and all that was to be found in his treasures. There proved to be nothing that Hezekiah did not show them in his own house and in all his dominion.

(Isaiah 39:3-7) After that Isaiah the prophet came in to King Hezekiah and said to him: “What did these men say, and from where did they proceed to come to you?” So Hezekiah said: “From a distant land they came to me, from Babylon.” 4 And he went on to say: “What did they see in your house?” To this Hezekiah said: “Everything that is in my house they saw. There proved to be nothing that I did not show them in my treasures.” 5 Isaiah now said to Hezekiah: “Hear the word of Jehovah of armies, 6 ‘Look! Days are coming, and all that is in your own house and that your forefathers have stored up down to this day will actually be carried to Babylon.’ ‘Nothing will be left,’ Jehovah has said. 7 ‘And some of your own sons that will come forth from you, to whom you will become father, will themselves be taken and actually become court officials in the palace of the king of Babylon.’”

(Jeremiah 52:17) And the copper pillars that belonged to the house of Jehovah and the carriages and the copper sea that was in the house of Jehovah the Chaldeans broke to pieces and went carrying all the copper of them to Babylon.

But any how, this is the prophecy that will not be late:

(Habakkuk 2:2-3) And Jehovah proceeded to answer me and to say: “Write down [the] vision, and set [it] out plainly upon tablets, in order that the one reading aloud from it may do so fluently. 3 For [the] vision is yet for the appointed time, and it keeps panting on to the end, and it will not tell a lie. Even if it should delay, keep in expectation of it; for it will without fail come true. It will not be late.

And that has to be the 4th UN cycle sequence coming up.

(Habakkuk 3:17-18) Although [the] fig tree itself may not blossom, and there may be no yield on the vines; the work of [the] olive tree may actually turn out a failure, and the terraces themselves may actually produce no food; [the] flock may actually be severed from [the] pen, and there may be no herd in the enclosures; 18 Yet, as for me, I will exult in Jehovah himself; I will be joyful in the God of my salvation.

We will also need patience and faith, the tree will fail (and get a curse: Matt21:18-19), the flock will be scattered, but it will also eb gathered at the end of this drawn out process.


[QUOTE who=”Lordylordy9111″]<quoted text>
I toyally missed that Awake! No Bethel doesn’t explain how the UN really works. They are sleeping through KN abomination that causes desolation which is not by mistake but they are intentionally abandoned warning the sheepfold of God againt the mechanisms of satan (Daniel 11:30-31). [/QUOTE]


Yes JWs are now unaware of the basic financial and military aspects of Globalization 101. They do not even comprehend the basics of military geo-politics, or the post WW2 WB and WTO role from the Bretton Woods global financial organizations.

At the same time as that US Europe and global instrument was being set with the UN system, Bethel was installing “Theocratic Organization” to suit the GB 1944 ideas, to merge into a dictatorial override over those years. Now Bethel’s version of Daniel 8:14 is a Lie Pie God will throw in Bethel’s face with an iron platter.

And now we have Mr. Rogers for JWs TV show, to cap it off, the collective JW has been lobotimized and busy worked into a long nap. (Matt25:5 principle) Only JWs that do their own global research and their own Bible study, see what has really formed.

Most JWs are on the bus to the Grand Canyon GB Carnival, while they tell JWs they have arrived at Bethel Disneyland Paradise. Instead the smooth ride is because they followed Thelma and Louise into the Grand Canyon instead, now airborne in freefall.

Now all that can wake up JWs is the Bethel Bus impact of the JW Yellow Submarine. And the band begins to play…

But soon the music and JW party is over.

In time God will pick up the pieces, JWs will be freed from the detour and the Bethel Bus, and the whole real story has to emerge GUARANTEED, because Bethel has diverged from the map of prophecy.

But God will put it all back on track.

But the real prophecy of God, whether simple or advanced, is The Map to Jesus Christ Full Arrival, by way of the Milestones to Christ in the Bethel judgment, final cycle global crisis, final warning and the first tribulation phase to heal into World Government: the FINAL MILESTONE, before the TRUE KING arrives. (Rev8-11 basic 7 trumpet layout)

The easy to connect final dot to this overall human folly is Christ arrival required and ready for landing.


8th King World Government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3; Dan12:11), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes—and Christ will save the “sheep”. That takes several more years.

That’s really as simple as it boils down to, in a process that gets clearer as one gets closer to the Christ Airport runway, but he is coming in for the Kingdom Landing (Matt6:10; Rev21:1) as the Mighty God, but all creation and powers of the universe are at his finger tips, he can do anything he so desires and needs to do to secure sheep FIRST, and nail King North’s feet to the floor, before he goes for the head.

Because Bethel will not divulge that SIMPLE SUMMARY, they are removed first in the process. Bethel is removed first for UN NGO fresh apostasy and because Christendom goes down under world government, their global scale is too enormous to be concentrated on at this time.

Bethel is the perfect place for a prophetic proportions judgment to occur, and that first and soon. (Dan8:13-14; Zech3:1-5; Mal3:1-5; Rev8:3-5)

Bethel Apostasy is the milepost that slipped by. The judgment will hit JWs broadside, and NO ONE will miss this milepost coming up. What some will miss or deny is the meaning of the trip the whole world will actually be on, heading for the next mileposts.

But those milestones are in prophecy, and JWs in 1914-1950 and drilled in by Fred Franz later, did lay out the basic route of the final trip, in the first trip itinerary, in the first witnessing first cycle (1914-1919) preview sequence. It is the same thing, temple judgment to recovery to final warning amidst 7th King downfall this time, for 8th King healing and ascension into world government.

Then that invites Christ into the Globalized and Armageddonized World Arena of Final Sovereign War.

Very simple actually.

Now as we see many doubt the whole first trip itinerary of the JW foundational first witness, thus they will not yet see the final cycle, in that first cycle. So the evil GB Orifice of KN, has indeed accomplished the task. Not even 7 million JWs believe their own foundational truth anymore! Many at KHs have had their faith drained by the Bethel Tapeworm of Scandal and the merciless and ice cold GB Frankenstein Tin Man wrong brain and no heart MONSTROSITY of APOSTASY and LAWLESSNESS.

The GB leaves with the worst prepard and drained Christian ministry in JWs in all history! The worst it has EVER been! WORSE than the Opes of the Dark Ages! It is what it is.

Yes, expect to hear from Jehovah and Christ, and that soon, there Bethel. And they aren’t going to be happy!

But it will be Daniel 8:13 activating on the UN-KN Bethel Bulldozer starting up to actually “trample” the place. It’s just “the end” of Bethel’s “a system of things” with the beginning of the end of the “old world order” “a system of things” context for the new.

But for now, JWs are in the dark, NO IDEA what actually inhabits Bethel by that GB dead corpse of a body.


[QUOTE who=”Lordylordy9111″]<quoted text>
The GB are true servants of satan. They are not going to repent. They may think their misleading and deception can go on forever but the cost to intentional decetion is very costly. They are seeing the visible price to lying. They won’t repent because most all the GB have worked for the devil since 1950. It this point all of them are devils. [/QUOTE]

They don’t also call the the “Son of Destruction” for nothing. The are the Betrayer Shepherd of Zechariah 11, and their two lying staffs the call Unity and Pleasantness.

But it is the “afflicted ones” who see who they are:

(Zechariah 11:11) . . .And it came to be broken in that day, and the afflicted ones of the flock who were watching me got to know in this way that it was the word of Jehovah.

The “afflicted ones” “who were watching me” are who know it is the “Son of Destruction” Shepherd at Bethel, herding the JW “flock meant for the killing”:

(Zechariah 11:12-13) Then I said to them: “If it is good in your eyes, give [me] my wages; but if not, refrain.” And they proceeded to pay my wages, thirty pieces of silver. 13 At that, Jehovah said to me: “Throw it to the treasury—the majestic value with which I have been valued from their standpoint.” Accordingly I took the thirty pieces of silver and threw it into the treasury at the house of Jehovah.

(Zechariah 11:14-17) . . .Then I cut in pieces my second staff, the Union, in order to break the brotherhood between Judah and Israel.

15 And Jehovah went on to say to me: “TAKE YET for yourself the implements of a useless shepherd. 16 For here I am letting a shepherd rise up in the land. To the [sheep] being effaced he will give no attention. The young one he will not seek, and the broken [sheep] he will not heal. The one stationing herself he will not supply [with food], and the flesh of the fat one he will eat, and the hoofs of the [sheep] he will tear off. 17 Woe to my valueless shepherd, who is leaving the flock! A sword will be upon his arm and upon his right eye. His own arm will without fail dry up, and his own right eye will without fail grow dim.”

That “take yet”, or “take still for yourself the implements of a useless shepherd”, is how we know the staffs of Pleasantness and Union, are in the GB hands staffs Misery and Division.

(Zechariah 11:8) 8 And I finally effaced three shepherds in one lunar month, as my soul gradually became impatient with them, and also their own soul felt a loathing toward me.

Those “three shepherds” in the “one lunar month” of the GB Lunatics, is when they effaced the last real shepherds of the flock, after 1976 totally, but it was planted in 1944 when God started to let “a shepherd rise up in the land”.

Who are these guys today in the Bethel GB:

(Zechariah 11:4-5) 4 “This is what Jehovah my God has said, ‘Shepherd the flock [meant] for the killing, 5 the buyers of which proceed to kill [them] although they are not held guilty. And those who are selling them say: “May Jehovah be blessed, while I shall gain riches.” And their own shepherds do not show any compassion upon them.’

So Zechariah is playing the part of the Son of Destruction shepherd, and JWs are that modern “flock meant for the killing”.

But God will step in and some point:

17 Woe to my valueless shepherd, who is leaving the flock! A sword will be upon his arm and upon his right eye. His own arm will without fail dry up, and his own right eye will without fail grow dim.”

That “sword” is the Angel of the Covenant, when he steps in to cleanse out the GB corpse and all its body parts, from the real shadow “Governing Body” of the KN controllers, to sever them out of the temple they sit in, by use of the self glorified GB usurpers.

And now when God exposes them, their entire trail of dirt goes back to 1944, in their own words. And since they claim to be the Architects of the “Right Condition” of Daniel 8:14 since 1944, a total BLASPHEMY, God will now blow the Daniel 8:13 TEMPLE JUDGMENT BOMB off in the guilty Bethel system.

Now what this means is Bethel well have to face the real Daniel 8:13-14, as instead the WRONG CONDITION is what gradually came in after 1944. Or they will be fully abandoned.

They may be fully abandoned anyways, I am just specualting that God allowed the Daniel 8:14 blasphemy, though with little fanfare among JW teachings, it is still a link to the befouled reality that INSTEAD formed “gradually given over” since 1944.

And thus God may allow some misled but recoverable brothers, in the scattered bones of Bethel, to make amends and full admission to the real Daniel 8:13-14 temple judgment requirement, and WHY such a DISASTER befell Bethel and the JW ministry, by the KN GB hand as fully also in the prophecies that lead up to Daniel 8:13-14 in Daniel 8:12, and its 3rd UN period Daniel 11:30-32a parallel apostasy.

Now at one time VALID prophecy was coming out to expose the first two UN presentations in 1919 ad 1945 as prophecy. So God may allow some fragment of this core ministry to MAKE THE UPDATES on the REAL Daniel 8:11-14, and 8:23-25, and the real Daniel 11:30-45 as all King North 8th King world government development as signaled by that hushed up and covered up 3rd United Nations presentation, also in prophecy, UN1-2-3, in Daniel 8:23 and Daniel 11:31b.

The only choices, IF that manifests, is go down in infamy forever, or give full honest disclosure. But the GB is going down in infamy forever, that Babel GB entity CAN NEVER raise its ugly head in the temple again, that is certain. The entity gets to sleep with Judas, and that is why God makes that parallel in 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4. The GB have already hung themselves, the rope just has to break to get to their real internals,

(Acts 1:16-20) “Men, brothers, it was necessary for the scripture to be fulfilled, which the holy spirit spoke beforehand by David’s mouth about Judas, who became a guide to those who arrested Jesus, 17 because he had been numbered among us and he obtained a share in this ministry. 18 (This very man, therefore, purchased a field with the wages for unrighteousness, and pitching head foremost he noisily burst in his midst and all his intestines were poured out. 19 It also became known to all the inhabitants of Jerusalem, so that that field was called in their language Akeldama, that is, Field of Blood.) 20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, ‘Let his lodging place become desolate, and let there be no dweller in it,’ and, ‘His office of oversight let someone else take.’

The GB Field of Blood Money is their memorial.

Will Bethel have a single soul with the guts, honesty, and faith to condemn the GB for the illegal usurping predator the entity is?

Will the offer even be given by God?

We will have to wait and see; In the meantime “doomsday” comes on the GB and Bethel for a needed sign of the Daniel 8:13-14 temple judgment process that will lead to the anointed temple ministry truly needed “right condition” of accounting, admission and cleansing purification by “fire”. (Rev8:3-5; Zech3:2; Eze10; Isa6:6-9)

God has nailed the “unusual GB suspect” to the T in prophecy, T for Traitors, so they cannot forever wiggle out of this REAL Daniel 8:13-14 judgment, NOR can that lie an an “interpretation” be used to cloak them as if the Temple Right Condition Engineers of Theocracy, when THE OPPOSITE is what they enginnered for Satan (Zech3:1; 2Thess2:9) and their aint no beating around the bush as to what “body” the GB actually is, that of Satan in the Temple as Trespassers as per 2 Thess2:1-12.

Point blank, Bethel will get all that in the face. Yet, we do not know what God may offer, after the Daniel 8:14 “evening” phase Temple Bomb has blown by. And as usual, like an invasion, they will pull all this off, in a very distracting global developmental context too boot.

Bethel will be:

1. Under divine judgment;

2. In a HOAX of “the end” in full force;

3. And in a monumental massive global cycle just beginning as a total stressed out distraction;

4. While in a La La Land to delusional premature end expectation state as at this time, all climaxing!

Can one imagine their mindset when the REALITY comes home, and it all is going to come out with or without them anyways?


Grab the sackcloth. We will all get a new wardrobe. And the GB is why, they are the SEXPERIMENT, leading to being harlots to the UN and to JWs for worship, who RUINED a once valid Christian Kingdom minisitry. The GB is the Korah Usurper Entity that will get the full brunt of the guilt and blame.

It is what it is. The truth will come out in time.

They get all the belongings to give to King North, while playing Christ Committee on Earth in Bethel’s old as Babel GB “Star Chamber” of demons.

[QUOTE who=”Dogen”]<quoted text>
My “wisdom” is not from me. It comes from 40 years of Bible study, not counting my youth when I was forced to go to church.
You can look it all up.
Your stuff is delusional, by definition. It is your personal mishmash of your own projections onto scripture. [/QUOTE]

Your stuff is delusional, by definition. It is your personal mishmash of your own projections onto scripture.

You don’t even believe the Bible is the Word of God ALONE. You are the one who hybridizes anything your wandering mind finds fanciful, a little Stripper Theology, a litte Wicca, a little of this and little of that, for one Dogen Mishmash Chilli!

Bible study won’t help if it is at the church Greek Hybrid system of philosophy of men and demons. Bethel has fallen into the same self glory trap, but they did make a valid capping of what the Reformation attempted to do.

As far as basics Russell was the greatest Christian teacher to form a know global reformation capping ministry since the apostles and some of the reformers who were true Christians, until the Greek and Roman trappings oozed back in.

Russell clarified the basics, the Bible Students and Rutherford placed the globalist League of Nations and their 7th King Anglo-American nation-state tool into proper sequence in Daniel and Revelation.

Later it devolved. Christendom either Catholic or Protestant, never has gone past Greece in Daniel or Rome in Revelation. Their purpose is to STALL AND DIVERT the prophecy progress into modern times.

And that is the cul-de-sac you wander around in too. Nothing pertaining to world government has any real meaning in your grey matter, and the virus in Christendom is how your brain got hijacked by the architects of the error, and its purpose.

When Jehovah’s witnesses came out proving the Hybrid Greek and Babel mix in the church “belief system”, well those automatons did not like it did they? No, they were beign exposed and their modern day Pharisees did not like it either.

And same with today’s JWs. After 1950 it devolved into another GB Pope Show, and soon also joined the UN as World Government endorsing sponsors, just like their Christendom clergy, also defined by their many “Governing Bodies”.

The original Reformation in JWs, must now also be reclaimed in the final cycle of Adamic human history to world government.

World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3; Dan12:11), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

Because Bethel will not divulge that SIMPLE SUMMARY, they are removed first in the process. Bethel is removed first, because Christendom goes down under world government, their global scale is too enormous to be concentrated on at this time. Bethel is the perfect place for a prophetic proportions judgment to occur, and that first and soon. (Dan8:13-14; Zech3:1-5; Mal3:1-5; Rev8:3-5)

The ONLY source of complete truth is the Bible, it is the Word of God. No need to “check other sources” for any real full truths. But other sources do have information that helps confirm prophecy, but the Bible prophecy is the guide, it shares nothing with words of mundane guessing men.

RELIGION is what gives the Bible a bad name, because people fail to comprehend the difference between faith in man and religion and faith in God. They are not the same thing.

In time the final prophecy forecast will arrive before world government completes, which it will give due warning to and of. (Rev8-11)


[QUOTE who=”dee lightful “]<quoted text> How does that denigrate Michael to believe the scriptures that say there are others like him? He is still the great warrior archangel who fights alongside Jesus at the end.

Because there is no other like him. THAT is the truth, and that is why we do not mix Michael in with the rest of the angels. He simply is the one with priority for many many many reasons.

Now that is not to try to make angels sound like something of no power or to be considered as if we are their judges. They simply KNOW who Michael is, for real, and WHY he ALONE was and is Numero Uno (among all creation).

Of course, he would become the Christ of God. A no brainer, really.

And God would of course give us the full basic background to help visualize the truth of the whole story. God sent the best he has, the fullest of divine ability available, number one, the “chosen” one.

It was the angel closest to God, God’s only begotten Son, that Satan had to also test to finish his controversy. Satan cannot test God. So he went for the next best thing: Michael. After Adam and Eve broke, the next step would lead to the “Son of God” in heaven, THAT is where the accusation would then lead. (of course)

And now Satan is done, Michael past the test. Satan is DONE, and done with him, but not the rest of mankind.

Michael >was< a testable being at that time, and he completed the mission of God to this world, in all respects up to that human Christ time and accomplishment.

(Hebrews 1:4) So he HAS BECOME better than the angels, to the extent that he has inherited a name more excellent than theirs.


[QUOTE who=”Lordylordy9111″]<quoted text>
They both share the same judgment because they are both alike more ways than one. KN has a god image as does his abomination that causes desolation and the image that illuminates above their enemies and he is nothing but a man which is the same trick of the GB. They both share the same judgment.

Bethel cut back is because the GB has been informed by 33, imo, that some kind of events are going to unfold so they need to stop spending money and it could be pointing to a US investigation on their cover-ups or it could be something else. Even if it were something else, it can’t save them from judgment. They have their mind on their money and their money on their mind cause they have to save the silver and gold cause that is what is in the GB “to-go-bag” for the fake armageddon.

Who knows but in the end it will have to give God credit.[/QUOTE]

Yes, it’s my opnion as well. They are loading their bags:

And they aren’t “empty bags” they leave for JWs as the message in that video!

Yes to the 33-Bethel insiders, it is all part of the orchestration, that the RC was a BIG BLIP on the radar to a legal coup, that they may have been given wind of, to shuttle some big bucks out so KN get’s their booty, and does not give it all to the national vultures and legal eagles set to sweep in:

(Hosea 8:1-2) “To your mouth—a horn! [One comes] like an eagle against the house of Jehovah, for the reason that they have overstepped my covenant, and against my law they have transgressed. 2 To me they keep crying, ‘O my God, we, Israel, have known you.’

(Hosea 8:3-4) “Israel has cast off good. Let one who is an enemy pursue him. 4 They themselves have set up kings, but not because of me.

GB Kings.

Now when we read Hosea or Amos of Micah or Isaiah or Zechariah, etc, we know the judgment principle applies to Bethel first. And that is very very handy information.

Either way this is their game day on the org, and they have fully prepared for a good 40 years for this phase of finishing the operation. And they will CONTINUE to world hand-in-hand with the Globalists and Satan, for a little while longer.

THAT is why they are so confident the end is “soon, very soon”, they know it is only the end of Bethel, but they sell JWs the “end of the world” delusion for the exiting smokescreen that takes a few years to blow away to the real reality left behind.

[QUOTE who=”jace”]<quoted text>
who=”BetheljudgmentDan8-14soon”]Well Atheism and JWism share the worst global retention rates of any religion. And yes Atheism is a religion of faith in that human philosophy, their “God” is “-God”, still a “god”. lol
Interesting post— but I do have a question
Based on your exp or knowledge of atheism –do they typically threaten death at the hands of their “god” for those who don’t share their views ?
Just asking [/QUOTE]

Yes, some do. But it is in the usefulness of the “godless” come political time to prey on other organisms of the planet. At that time, them and “evolutionists” have a framework and a basic removal of conscience that allows far more ease of transformation to murder, to them “killing” or natural selection.

Now this is no judgment, this is a general dynamic of how a seemingly diverse global set of cultures ALWAYS produce the same SOCIOPATHIC societal members.

The US is off the charts as far as reliable production of people with NO CONSCIENCE WHATSOEVER.

Of course nothing mattering, and no divine accountability, in time transfers to no accountability at all. It just requires the proper social conditions, to allow the monster within to come out and do some one on one killing.

So it is just my opinion, those with no belief in the essence of accountability, is a good step toward the neutralization of human conscience. And the removal of God from the mental equation, is just such a step, that leaves the mind open to further malleability in time.

Not saying all sociopaths are atheists, which I am sure they are not, or that we even under stand the sociopathy reality as to how it really works, but that the goal of social orders is to get OTHERS lower in the society, to do the killing and human sacrifice, because the bankers and the elites are too busy managing the profits that comes from such exploitation of other nations, and “minorities”, so to educate people in the Conscience Removal Machine Basics, keeps them with the butchers they need, to police and expand and protect their wealth machine, and HOW it enriches itself from slave labor and human sacrifice, and environmental exploitation of especially weaker nations.

The irony is, as “doomsdayish” as JWs may be, and sort of painting God in a bad light, when the NWO is who plans to exterminate BILLIONS of people, and God is really the Savior of many of these potential victims, in the future, the GOOD GUY, and JWs ate that Bethel propaganda of “destruction-to-paradise” pain and pleasure principle in the JW mind, by mere threat and offer of paradise, JWs are very poor products as far as aiding MURDER for the social machine.

They themselves make very poor sociopathic violence conduits. Sure you get a few nuts everywhere, but JWs, like Amish, it is hard to get a gun in their hand.

So, something Christ-like did have a good start. It is the GB and Bethel who are the “collective-sociopath” now wrecking the place. THEY know the harm their policies do to MILLIONS of people, and JWs take the blame. When in reality some JWs will DIE rather than disobey God’s command to love they neighbor.

Now to a bunch of wolves like the evil GB, of course such a good thing MUST be screwed with and harmed. The GB are the city of murderers, as Bethel.

And after they go down, the real salvation message of God The Good Guy will come back out for a short time period:

(Matthew 22:7-10) 7 “But the king grew wrathful, and sent his armies and destroyed those murderers and burned their city. 8 Then he said to his slaves, ‘The marriage feast indeed is ready, but those invited were not worthy. 9 Therefore go to the roads leading out of the city, and anyone YOU find invite to the marriage feast.’ 10 Accordingly those slaves went out to the roads and gathered together all they found, both wicked and good; and the room for the wedding ceremonies was filled with those reclining at the table.

The GB is the “Sociopath” in JWs.


[QUOTE who=”imagoodboy”]<quoted text>
So do you believe *The alpha and the omega* is also **a great angel** since he is called Arche! The beginning? Rev 22:13[/QUOTE]

(Revelation 1:8) 8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says Jehovah God, “the One who is and who was and who is coming, the Almighty.”

(Revelation 21:5-6) And the One seated on the throne said: “Look! I am making all things new.” Also, he says: “Write, because these words are faithful and true.” 6 And he said to me: “They have come to pass! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. To anyone thirsting I will give from the fountain of the water of life free.

We KNOW God has no “beginning”, he IS “the beginning”, so his “alpha and omega” is a basic statement to be understood by simple man in that context that He will do what He promised He will do. From start to finish.

(Revelation 22:12-15) “‘Look! I am coming quickly, and the reward I give is with me, to render to each one as his work is. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, THE FIRST and the last, the beginning and the end. 14 Happy are those who wash their robes, that the authority [to go] to the trees of life may be theirs and that they may gain entrance into the city by its gates. 15 Outside are the dogs and those who practice spiritism and the fornicators and the murderers and the idolaters and everyone liking and carrying on a lie.’

Now Christ is the beginning and the end as well, but in relative meaning as God ALONE is the one from all eternities past. He is NOT subject to time. Christ had a beginning, before “he HAS BECOME better than the angels”, by basic logic he was not “better than the angels” until he “became better”.

But he is first, he did start out as the Archangel, first one, Alpha Angel, number 1 Son, and so on.

But God ALMIGHTY is God ALMIGHTY, he begot Christ at a point in divine “time” beyond universal scale or human understanding. And eating that fruit in Eden, aint helping one bit to understand these things, even in basic form.

The God Almighty “the beginning and the end” is different than the Christ “the first and the last” preface. That is why:

(Hebrews 1:5-6) 5 For example, to which one of the angels did he ever say: “You are my son; I, today, I have become your father”? And again: “I myself shall become his father, and he himself will become my son”? 6 But when he again brings his Firstborn into the inhabited earth, he says: “And let all God’s angels do obeisance to him.”

He is God’s Son in many ways the angels as sons of God are not to that “dimension” of the FIRST and the First BORN, now Omega of God’s purpose to finish in him, for God. (1Cor15:24-28)

He HAS a beginning, God IS the beginning.

Problem is, after the fact, many ignore the way Michael became that Son, as if he was always “better than the angels”. But as shown SO HE >>HAS BECOME<< better, after the human form mission was complete.

Because now Christ will rule, and his right to rule as appointed by God, has no detraction, it is legal, it is real, it is stated, it is by perfect performance of all moral integrity and obedience to God, it was foretold, it is by divine decree, it is certain, and it is coming.


[QUOTE who=”imagoodboy”]<quoted text>
Arche also refers to principalities in the heavenly realm over which princes rule! Jesus was given ruler-ship over those arches! Col 1:16, Col 2:10 the head of all arches! Eph 2:21 head of all principalities (arches)
Jesus is head, of all arches!
God has his angels.
Michael has his angels.
And Jesus has been given control over all of God’s angels including God’s princes his archangels!
Many legions of angels are in the heavens, It would seem logical each of these had their own archangel. The first in charge of each legion!
Just a possibility but it can be assumed![/QUOTE]

1. I am talking “Arch” as in BEFORE ANY OTHER ANGEL EVER EXISTED.

2. And that it is a TYPE of Angel, one of a kind, Master Angel.

Then Archangel is ANCIENT angel, and a TYPE of Master Angel, the “Archangel” TYPE, one and only, source of all angels to come “through him” and “for him”.

After that, of course, angels have a structural government system:

(Ephesians 3:10-11) 10 [This was] to the end that now to the governments and the authorities in the heavenly places there might be made known through the congregation the greatly diversified wisdom of God, 11 according to the eternal purpose that he formed in connection with the Christ, Jesus our Lord,

And in that the way God terms it is unknown. There are angels of greater authority than others, and it is structured beyond human organization, and it is perfect.

And so do the demons have a similar arrangement, but unholy:

(Ephesians 6:12) . . .because we have a wrestling, not against blood and flesh, but against the governments, against the authorities, against the world rulers of this darkness, against the wicked spirit forces in the heavenly places.

So do ants, and so do bees.

But “Michael the Archangel” is the totality of “Archeo” meaning, the whole “Angel” Tamale that began it all with God, as His first creation and instrumentality of the rest of creation to follow.

At one time it was just God and Michael. Later other angels came into existence.

[QUOTE who=”DR SOS”]<quoted text>
When will you be getting off SSI and SSD? It’s getting cut back very soon and you are going to need to start actually working as a supplementary income in which case I would start trying to get experience with it now.
We know regardless you will never contribute to society but eventually if you don’t try for yourself you will be thrown on the street in a lot less than “3.19” years and you will not possibly be able to use the internet anymore.[/QUOTE]

You get an A. I am actually very impressed, you are reading it after all!

1. You remembered the 3.19 year to count from a notable anti-JW-org hit. It may combine with the cancellation of the JW by Bethel Papal Bull. It BEGINS the cycle. This is very logical, not confusing if you continue to pay attention.

A. (Dan8:13-14 as Revelation 8:3-5)

Many will either chose God’s Kingdom or the New World Order when our final exam comes, but it comes for everyone. (But theoretically the NWO cannot actually reach and enforce it on all, and Christ will be out to save in full form, as the 666 campaign goes global)

B. But the full Daniel 6.38 year timing will be required for the JW temple transgression problem (the UN NGO; Dan8:13) to be accounted, and for the recovery to have taken hold. (Hos6:1-3) Since Daniel 8:14 is cryptic, it can be 3.19 years MINIMUM, but there may be an “evening” judgment desolation phase, and a “morning” recovery phase of 3.19 year each.

A. (Rev9 recovery)

2. That leads to the 1260 days final warning in some manner, BEFORE World Government is complete and becoming globally implemented and required to “worship”. (Dan7:25, Dan12:7; Rev11:1-7; Rev12:14; Rev13:5-7 all parallel)

A. (Revelation 10-11:1-7 final warning prep, and deployment)

3. The whole time SALVATION is open to anyone, including in and after the Christ arrival of the 1290 days, for its full stretch. Rev14 unfolds in that Daniel 12:11 period.

A. (Revelation 11:10-13)

Thus “the end” is actually at the very end of the process. It is the 7th Trumpet event.

A. (Revelation 11:15-19)

In reality OPEN SALVATION is the message, as it is available the whole time (Rev14:6-7; 14-16), for the stubborn who will start to possibly accept the reality that World Government is real, it has bad plans for many many humans (Rev13:15-18), and it WILL trigger the Christ arrival.


Well done on your first pop quiz.

[QUOTE who=”Dogen”]<quoted text>
You are the one that has the problem there. You are again projecting onto me what you do. What has been considered scripture has change over time. Jesus quoted “scripture” that is not in our Bible. Jesus quoted from Wisdom, Tobit, and Sirach (two are books that make References to archangels).

There are probably 7 references to Deuterocanonical books. Today those books are not in our protestant Bibles. Who is to say what is inspired and what is not? Certainly some books do not belong in the Bible. But which ones is somewhat arbitrary. Different Bibles throughout history have had slightly different selections and even today Bibles differ among some denominations (Copic, Russian Orthodox, Catholic, and mainline protestant differ).

Pseudepigrapha include some books that are not in the NT and most DO NOT belong in it. They were written too late and by unknown authors; HOWEVER, there are also writing in the NT that could just as easily be considered to be Pseudepigraphical. All of the synoptics are technically Pseudepigrapha in that we do not know who their authors really were (there are levels of Pseudogripha. Many of the books attributed to Paul are not written by Paul. The issue is not as cut and dry as people would like to imagine.

Even the Book of Revelation very nearly did not make it into the Nicaean version because:

1. It was of questionable authorship.
2. It was competing with the substantially equal Apocalypse of Peter.
3. The book of Revelation was more popular among Roman citizens (ironically since it was Rome that is identified as the Antichrist!).

Except for those factors we could have the Apocalypse of Peter at the end of the Bible instead of the current Revelation.

That is what I said. You doubt the Bible. And that is your problem. You have no faith it is the Word of God.

You are free to do so, just pointing out why you wander around. Go try Urantia for more guesswork, they are with you on all that ultimately useless distraction.

And I am not saying for people not to read it, just suggesting to keep it in its mundane place.

OF COURSE they are going to be out with all kinds of Doubter Rationale to try to encourage people to doubt the Bible, and then give in to doubt, and then waffle in faith, wherein they lose their lives.

(Matthew 14:31) You with little faith, why did you give way to doubt?

You have not understood how real the game of the Devil really is. You have also doubted your Opponent as well as your Teacher. Your Opponent has become your Teacher in the process. But you will get a wake up call like everyone else. (Matt25:1-13)

There will be a moral to the Doubter’s Stories like these though, for the children of the next world, to learn from the mistakes of others, rather than repeat them. But there will be no distractions or Devil to TRY to mislead them with the same old trick, for 1000 years.

It is hard to revive those in terminal doubt, and that is why the Devil is out teaching people HOW, WHY and WHERE to doubt. To get hold of them.

But you will doubt all that, no doubt.




Archaeologists. I worked with a few, they are Detectives who arrive at Crime Scenes hundreds and thousands of years too late.

But they spin a tale in far greater detail than a whole 4 hour movie about a distant civilization and all its complex characters and all its cultural motifs and idiosyncrasies as if they were there from day one!

They are GREAT STORYTELLERS, I can tell you that from first and second hand experience. Highly reliable Master Magicians of the Total Guess.

Then one tale, is the basis of the next tale, as backward compatibility is no longer an issue, because the first guy to take a guess ALWAYS get’s it right.

For he is an Archaeologist, a seer into past civilizations down to the very hours in their daily itinerary, like reading a day planner of Pharoahs long gone and all their servants and concubines psychological profiles, in exact detail, with the very year, month and day of every social activity, every concern, every drama, every thought, all spoken from all these shards, fragments and ashes as if in one whole; perfectly reconstructed in The Archaeologists Mind to the very color of the walls and pots with the complete blueprint of the whole civilization and its totally accurate chronology.

AMAZING GUYS AND GALS!!! Very reliable! You can set an atomic clock on these guys pastcasts!



Can Bethel Repent?

It certainly has real problems of terminal apostasy in its leadership, such as a UN NGO sponsoring deal. (Dan11:31; Matt24:15)

Unfortunately, the Governing Body Show has given some Christians actual valid reasons for leaving. (Matt24:15) Not all but some. There are GB based hypocrisies and truly anti-Christian policies and alliances that are dubious to the point God has to have also seen these MAJOR PROBLEMS, as some Christians with true Kingdom awareness have. For example, joining the United Nations of Organizations, is NOT in God’s approval, no matter how Bethel spins it, it IS Matthew 24:15 as Daniel 11:30-32a, and Daniel 8:12.

(The Daniel 8:13 Temple “TRANSGRESSION causing desolation” to the temple “established place” of Daniel 8:11.)

In fact men who claim infallibility between the lines, and set up a self protecting illegal Bethel Inquisition Judiciary to condemn men, brothers even in the GB and Bethel system for years, to a spiritual death of Gehenna in their own over-extension of well “beyond the things written” authority, are always exposed in time, BY GOD, just like the Pharisees.

This JW Reformer’s article is very telling in this matter, in a very simple manner:

Jehovah Blesses Obedience
by Meleti Vivlon  Sep 25, 2015

“”We are reaping what we have sown, and the reproach we were hoping to avoid has been magnified 100-fold by our failed hypocrisy.””

Contrary to Popular Belief, Bethel and its Governing Body are Subject to Divine Requirements and Judgment Like Anyone Else

Now the point is, to God, LEADERS are not given “Special License to Sin”, which they ALL claim between the lines, like the GB. The LEADERS are given TOP ATTENTION from God when He inspects a ministry. (Zech3:1-3; Isa1-12; Hosea; Micah; Amos)

And when God gets to exposing and judging REAL CRIMINAL ACTIVITY in a Christian LEADERSHIP, that itself is based on a Babel and Christendom “governing body” concept—as if divine, no questions asked—when it is not Biblical in the least, it will be completely revealed in time—as is the case of HOW Bethel devolved into an illegal idolatry. [1]


So it is not that Jehovah’s witnesses “never had the truth”, it is that they DO have the truth, and so God WILL deal with the problem: The Governing Body of Apostasy and their UN NGO covenant with the UN, involving God’s people. (Daniel 8:13-14 as Daniel 11:41; Revelation 8:3-5)

It WILL get serious, it is no light matter, and it will PROVE this is Jehovah’s anointed Christian house (1Pet4:17), merely using a mundane ministerial resource “established place” (Dan8:11) “organized ministry”, that He WILL create ENORMOUS Judgment event upon FIRST, to wake up BOTH Jehovah’s witness and those paying attention.

“The Organization” and its so-called “Governing Body” have become one of these illegal idols in God’s eyes, and it does NOTHING to minimize, but only to promote, such a lofty place in Jehovah’s witnesses eyes. They even had the blasphemous audacity to declare themselves the “faithful slave”, playing seated “God’s”, in God’s temple arrangement by their OWN approval, rather than God and Christ’s by judgment first. (2Thess2:3-4)

And they have the premature “it can end any day brothers!” distraction well in place as well, to smokescreen final prophecy that can be explained in light of globalization development to culminate into 8th King World Government, to “ascend” and “heal”, upon the REQUIRED 7th King fall and “sword stroke” coming. (Rev13:3; Dan11:42-43; Isa41:1; Rev17:8-13; Rev11:7)

Most Everyone is in Denial in Their Own Way

Now true most JWs and most JW critics alike, do not want this to be the real reason why these Days of Jehovah’s Judgment are coming on Jehovah’s witnesses and the now idolized and UN profaned organization and ministry. (Zech3:1-5)

1. JWs want to think it is in the “right condition” since 1944. (Dan8:14)

2. Many JW critics want to excuse themselves from overall divine responsibility as Christians, so they want JWs to be invalid and the sovereign warning of 1914 off their backs, and to just do their ministry the way they want, particularly to its main sovereign message, getting lax on the UN reality as the Wildbeast forming to World Government—they want to deny that will come, and that that will trigger Christ.

And all of this is NORMAL for Adamic humans, especially when a Christian ministerial leadership becomes the hypocritical problem aiding the doubt!

And by the events Jehovah Almighty God by Christ will bring on this derailed ministry, and its GB Kings of Bethel, can free JWs, and wake up both groups to the revived, updated and clarified final ministry that WILL form AFTER the Bethel Apostasy is dealt with in GLOBAL MANNER as decreed by God at Daniel 8:13-14.

Bethel CLAIMS the Daniel 8:14 “RIGHT CONDITION” of the anointed “Temple” has been present SINCE 1944 [3], by a historic process of “organizational adjustments” that brought the congregations, branches and all of Bethel under the dictatorial rule of a “Governing Body” that went into Rogue Tyranny in 1976, against Nathan Knorr’s and Fred Franz’s wishes and stern advice! ON THE RECORD at Bethel and elsewhere.

1. THEY REBELLED in 1976 against the God set INDIVIDUAL ministerial spearheads since 1870.

2. They first peeped the “governing body” term in 1944, to a title in 1971, to a full dictatorship in 1976, to UN NGO in 1991, to today’s major GB based apostate problem with UN ties.

3. NOW the process they claimed was instituted under the post 1944 “right condition” is actually what has formed the WRONG CONDITION in the anointed Christians ministry!

It IS what it IS: Foretold Christian Leadership Apostasy! The Daniel 8:14 diametric “Wrong Condition”.

Face the Music—The Temple Judgment

NOW the real Daniel 8:13-14 must come on Bethel, because it is PLAIN AS DAY what the Governing Body Experiment in so-called “Theocratic Organization” has led to: The DOWNFALL of the Jehovah’s witnesses ministry, temporarily, in apostasy, UN alliance and total spiritual drunken slumber. (Matt25:2)

And now, in time, Bethel AND Jehovah’s witnesses will have to face, and give an account of the real Daniel 8:13-14, and Bethel’s false claims it has all been already in the “right condition”, as engineered by historic “organizational adjustments”, culminating in that 1944 “right condition” claim, in the 1999 Pay No Attention to Daniel’s Prophecy book. [3]

The 1970s final changes brought the whole JW ministry and corporate complex under Governing Body dictatorial, no questions asked, infallible, unapologetic, rigid authority, to the point they found it advisable to even join the United nations of Non Governmental Organizations, rather than explain the Outreach UN NGO Division’s true UN objective: Get all global organizations acceptable and willing to adjoin to the UN as well!

NOW the REAL Daniel 8:13-14 is coming on Bethel’s head.

Will they repent in public full disclosure?

Or will they continue in blind denial?

Will God even offer repentance at this point in the development after the accounting “trampling” is completed?



Governing Body Since Babel


The Governing Body Experiment—1944 to Present

1944 Governing Body Birthday—1914-1976 WTBTS Board of Directors Coup Finally Realized


How Daniel 8:14 Wrong Condition Developed in Bethel Since 1944


Soon Bethel’s Hypocisy Bomb must blow up in their face.

It happened to the Pharisees.

It happened to the Papal system.

It happened to Christendom.

And it will happen to Bethel: EXPOSED.

But with Bethel, it is going to be made explicitly obviosly by God, when He SACKS their stronghold in grand manner. (Dan8:13)

When men claim to be God’s representatives, at a level of accuarte knowledge well beyond the churches, who are really UN NGO, thieves and con-men, a mix of apostasy and infiltration, you can bet God will make an example of that HYPOCRISY.

It CANNOT hide under a lie of now false claims, forever.

I thought this brother really hit the nail on the head by the principle of the Pedophile Hypocrisy now being dragged to global light:

Jehovah Blesses Obedience
by Meleti Vivlon Sep 25, 2015

Jehovah Blesses Obedience

“”We are reaping what we have sown, and the reproach we were hoping to avoid has been magnified 100-fold by our failed hypocrisy.””

But way more than just that will eventually come out of the Bethel closet of bones and UN schemes.

In reality, Bethel is what we call “Up Shit Creek”, they are in HEAVY DIVINE DISAPPROVAL.

ONLY the Pharisees of old have surpassed Bethel’s magnitude of UN riding sins, while knowing better in complete understanding.

The judgment coming on Bethel will be DEAD SERIOUS, no joking around from God. Time for total accounting, and that at Bethel, FIRST! (1Pet4:17; Dan8:13-14; Dan11:41)

Them teeth aint God smiling, I can tell you that!!!!

The Bethel Bomb of Hypocrisy is not just going to explode, God will then complete the full exposing of the apostasy, with no GB Damage Control artists to cover up the REALITY of the true situation of rampant apostasy, UN partnership, merely “smooth word” glossed over by Bethel Silver Tongue Rogue Drunken Apostates, in divine darkness and divine disapproval heading for the divine judgment FIRST in line!

(Daniel 11:32) “And those who are acting wickedly against [the] covenant (at Bethel), he (8th King/King North) will lead into apostasy by means of smooth words. (The Bethel “smooth words” 8th King cover-up in the JW publications is part of the smoothly justified apostasy);

The ONLY thing covering up the true reality of Bethel’s SPIRITUALLY DEAD STATE, and its dead corpse of a Governing Body, is that governing body’s own glossing and deceptive words to JWs that all’s good, they alone are the “Faithful Slave”, self approved, worthy of all Christ’s belongings as a decree of their own public self judgment and the ONLY faithful ones of all planet Earth! (2Thess2:3-4)

The GB is the only thing glossing over the real reality of what a UN NGO Bethel UN cohort is in the eyes of God, the only One that matters!

Bethel LIARS are the only thing keeping many Jehovah’s witnesses oblivious to the real reality of the JW situation, which in reality could NOT be worse!

(Revelation 2:2) . . .‘I know your deeds, and your labor and endurance, and that you cannot bear bad men, and that you put those to the test who say they are apostles, but they are not, and you found them liars.

Bethel has been found to be self covering Hypocrite LIARS in a delusion of grandeur BAR NONE since the Pharisees and Popes themselves! Join the club!

REALITY is coming with the Bethel Hypocrisy Bomb going off! Soon (1Pet4:17; Dan8:13-14; Dan11:41), as the signal as instead World Government will come from the 7th King US and EU system downfall over these final years enroute to the Christ arrival.

Foretold Apostasy Always Precedes a Global Epic World Power Transition—5 Times in Prophecy


[QUOTE who=”Jace”]<quoted text>
Concerning wt theology a jw says
“And if even 15% of what they say is Truth”
15% of ones teachings are true it’s ok??
But is this what the wt writers say??
Truth book
“We need to examine, not only what we per­sonally believe, but also what is taught by any religious organization with which we may be asso­ciated. Are its teachings in full harmony with God’s Word, or are they based on the traditions of men? ”
So everyone else teachings must all be true
The wt excuses thiers

They all excuse their own systems, ALL of them. They all contain errors, and they are all at different levels of the point they went into 100% stall.

What makes Jehovah’s witnesses unique is that ministry has taken it the furthest. Mainstream Christendom goes no further than Roman times of propehtic significance.


JWs went to Anglo-American national system, and exposed the first two of four UN presentations of the 8th King designate “image” as prophecy.

And that caused quite a stir!!!

But it has leaders who also joined the UN NGO in 1990, rather than tell people what the UN NGO is in the UN World Government network of organizations, also required to in time join the UN for the whole Tamale in time.

UN NGO: What the United Nations of Non-Governmental Organizations Global Expansion System Really Is

In time ALL PEOPLE will be REQUIRED to also join World Government. (Rev13:15-18)

Bethel stopped warnign people as a UN attache. (foretold; Dan11:30-32a)

What Bethel did was NOT tell anyone what all these post 1990, 3rd UN global presentation marked, PROPHECIES >>>AND<<< Globalization preparations really mean.

Now they sow in error and hypocrisy on purpose, to also undermine the foundational Jehovah’s witnesses truth and ministry that did expose the first two UN prophecies, UN1-2.

The reason why JWs are such a big issue, is they are the most in your face about our teachings. The churches are CATATONIC, they have teachings, check any Religion section at a bookstore and see, but no one cares, because they have no pressing issue of global rulership to speak about, because they joined the UN way back in the 1920s! They are at UN-0 ZERO!

Bethel, who is also now silent about post 1990 3rd UN expansion, UN1-2-3, such as the UN NGO United Nations of Global Organization PURPOSE, merely having to drag around old JW truth of the first two UN presentations of 1919 and 1945, is now the latest UN Christian co-whore of Christendom.


And that HYPOCRISY AT BETHELL tends to breed far more controversy than deadpan churches who have fallen off the map entirely. Just a dilapidated has been footnote. Go take a look at a Baptist or Lutheran church, in general: dead.

No one cares what the churches have to say, because they have nothing to say, and they say nothing too, but far longer than Bethel, so no one cares because no one has heard from them in 500 years.

And when the Pope does come out to say something he says “we need world government!”

Pope Francis Calls For A New Global Political Authority To Save Humanity

Pope’s Environmental Encyclical Calls for World Government

Bethel calls for World Government by saying NOTHING about what all this means.

But because JWs are out there talking a lot, they get a lot of attention, and because of Bethel hypocrisy, the attention is not good, and has compounded like gangbusters.

Very simple. The squeaky wheel gets the attention.


[QUOTE who=”AuldSoul1″]<quoted text>
Quick test of your Bible knowledge:
1) In the first century, were any funds formally collected by Christians for building special places of worship? No.

Well first off there were no “special places of worship”, those things called churches are the first idol to slip into all Christianity.

So you may have accidentally gotten ahead of the real answer: there were NO “special places” of worship.

Then with the churches came the word and corporate system called “religion”, and it became the same thing, an idol that sprung up with the idol buildings, because none of them tools were kept in their place.

Then, soon thereafter, faith in religion, because as if faith in God.

And now it is complete, faith in religion is not the same as faith in God, it is faith in a THING.

In that basic manner all of Christianity was divided prior to conquest of those mundane systems of harlotry.

God will examine individuals, not inanimate and ethereally defined legal things of men.

In fact the less one has to do with “church”, and the more they read the Bible, the better off they will be.

The Bible at church soon got retrofitted to the glory of the organization, just as JWs also did, by simply using new wordings to cloak the new idol under.

Same old story.

This is who the JW Ship was lost, since 1944:

Daniel 8:13-14 Diametric “Wrong Condition” at Apostate Bethel Since 1944—It’s Future Fulfillment and Implications

The BASIC ERRORS, such as “church” and “religion” and the holy man “governing body” used by ALL OF THEM religions since Babel, is how it slipped in, and no one noticed.




1. The nation-state systems, especially the US and EU are entering a monetary meltdown, however it may be designed to function. Anyone can search 1000 sources of top economists, globalism researchers, ex Whitehouse officials, banking system experts, etc, on YouTube to understand it will come: How, no one knows precisely but the system engineers of Globalist King North.

2. Bethel is going to crash into the BEGINNING of that meltdown, and sell it to JWs as if their end, is “the end”.

3. But as per globalist fourth world cycle of such a nature, and prophecy, the crash will “heal” into the final World Government “global solution” “world peace!” presentation.

4. Apostate UN attaché Bethel’s job is to:

1. Say nothing about 7th King system downfall required to allow 8th King “new world order” rise into Global Government complete.

2. Adjoin the JW system to the UN sin to secure a certain divine allowed judgment on the Bethel visible corporate system.

3. Cancel the JW ministry prematurely as profaned, and let broke JWs figure it all later, while instead en route to World Government, unknown to JWs who expect the premature end of 2 Thessalonians 2:1-2.

4. Try to keep the UN1-2-3-4 four cycle significance, then in its fourth cycle to world government, silent.

So, that being the case, Bethel is going down, not because they are broke, but because they are UN apostate sell-out sinners and infiltrated by Globalist pros (Dan11:32a) who plan to keep 10 BILLION >fresh< JW dollars for themselves. (Fresh JW dollars, because since 1980 they ALREADY have skimmed JWs for about 5 billion, imo)

Here is why they must get LOOT OUT NOW!:

Much Bethel nailed down assets will have to be sacrificed to the national vultures, like 2-4 billion dollars worth that cannot be liquidated for the globalists. So they need to convert as much of that hard nailed down assets and investments into liquid cash as fast as possible. (And get it OUT of JW hands, for the legal fallout coming, which is designed to overwhelm the little they are leaving behind, as per plan)

1. Most of it has been wired into the banking system of the globalists—hedges, off shore, derivatives, etc. Around 5 BILLION has already vanished since 2005, and JWs will not find out about it, until AFTER the Bethel coup coming up, if at all.

Imo, they want to shift out 4 billion since 2008.

2. 2 billion has already been liquidated in physical and non-physical assets. In NY for example, they just looted a billion in JW luxury hotels and DUMBO. That is just New York real estate numbers: 900 million. Now think international and non real estate liquidation of investments.

3. By milking the congregations of their savings they just yanked in:

100000 congs at $100 each = $10,000,000.00
100000 congs at $1000 $100,000,000.00
100000 congs at $10000 $1,000,000,000.00

So you get the gist, some congregations >were< very well healed. (You know, like Beverly Hills Kingdom Hall)

4. At say 200 million to 300 million yearly operating and expansion expenses, they are now saving say 50 million, cheaper new kingdom halls, convertible to other uses quickly, drastic cut backs. In spite of the reality they are easily covering expenses by some years of nearly 1 billion in JW donations—again, some JWs have plenty of money, and some of them rich JWs give way more than a million a year.

5. Now the JW Broadcasting is for the purpose of distraction and JW advertising to JWs for more money. The outlay was probably around 2-3 million dollars. Imo, suckered JWs, after almost a year of this advertising have probably tossed in another 200 million, amped up imo.

So add it all up with global investment in mind and real estate liquidations internationally of also investment properties as well as branches, and we are around 4 billion. It is a ballpark, it may be more, but 4 billion is not undoable given the massive real estate valuation model JW slave labor and expert consultation provides: almost free EVERYTHING for the Bethel Billionaire Boys Club. We are talking a religious organization half the size of the Mormons, with as much wealth because of this “zeal” for expanding organizational properties under the cloak of sincere ministerial motivation, not knowing a bunch of Globalist Robbers run Bethel.

Now what ever they leave behind, will be swallowed up in a tidal wave of coming legal judgments as the RC principle, goes to the US and UK systems, and everyone else looking for any easy mark. Bethel will be that target. And that is where the rest will go, designed to make sure the corporations assets left over are devoured by the scale of the class actions and possible racketeering charges to come. We are talking easily billions in massive judgments, fast tracked, because national legal insiders KNOW Bethel is marked for termination, and they can get all they want, because Bethel’s liability is in writing.

Now Bethel will sell those real prosecutions and corporate raids as if “persecution” rather than prosecution for real criminal wrongdoing. And Bethel will sell their invasion of Daniel 11:41 and the Daniel 8:13 “trampling” is if “the end of the world brothers!” as the smokescreen.

They will NOT tell JWs it will be a divine judgment, not the end, but the judgment on the house of God first. (1Pet4:!7; Zech3:1-5; Dan8:13-14)

And JWs will be lost in the smokescreen and confusions of Bethel’s Fake Armageddon “End of the World” HOAX, specially designed for the JW mind.


[QUOTE who=”Sparlock”]<quoted text>
Eventually….eventually….you’re going to have to deal with the fact that there is nothing special about this religion. There is nothing about this religion that makes it any kind of special fulfillment of any prophecies.


Eventually….eventually….you’re going to have to deal with the fact that there is something special about this Reformation of FAITH of Jehovah’s witnesses.

For now human opinions vary, as usual. And if JWs do not want to hear the temple judgment message, others will also be in a similar denial of reality as well.

That is why the judgment, the temple judgment phase, comes on Jehovah’s witnesses FIRST.

1. To wake many up.

2. To update REALITY and FAITH to the final Kingdom proclamation requirements. [1]

The Jehovah’s witnesses ministry since the first cycle of world-war-to-world-government as a globalist formula, and a critical prophecy of World Government to trigger the Christ arrival of ALL TIME, >>ALREADY<< contains the final pattern of the future.


In essence Jehovah’s witnesses are a valid anointed Christian ministerial identity, and they understand the theme of how World Government develops with the Kingdom of God parallel maturation of the Messianic Kingdom of Christ actual sovereign entity to rule planet Earth—which has yet to ALSO complete, from birth to 100% maturation in the future.

Jehovah’s witnesses just do not yet know, they already know, the final cycle for Revelation 8-11 has a true “Grand CLIMAX” in the future, as that whole final cycle, this time in 1-7 order, MUST REPEAT!

It is the same song. But this is as if a “new song” because the song repeats, and Jehovah’s witnesses have yet to realize this, and why this is so, because of the Strangers Voice up at Apostate Bethel.

So God will first shut up Bethel’s GB, and remove them, and expose them, and He will bring out the truth where and how He chooses, once the Modern Liars are shut up, at Bethel and its UN allied apostate epicenter of the Revelation 8:3-5 Temple Judgment Earthquake coming on JWs first.

Events of Daniel 11:41 on the JW Organization, will give it the required visible notoriety and global news, to then aid the final cycle explanation as that Temple Judgment of Daniel 8:13-14, is also Revelation 8, and its four first “trumpets” of alarming new for Jehovah’s witnesses, and then the world.

Because Revelation 8-11 will HAVE JUST BEGUN, and it will proceed to recovery (Rev9), final warning commission (Rev10), and the final 1260 days warning prior to World Government (Rev11:1-7) upon the SAME Revelation sovereign theme they already understand—this just applies to the final cycle future REALITY of the events and MILESTONES that precede Christ’s full arrival as Messianic King of kings. [2]

VERY SIMPLE: 8th King/King North World Government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3; Dan12:11), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

Because Bethel will not divulge that SIMPLE SUMMARY, they are removed first in the process. Bethel is removed first, because Christendom goes down under world government, their global scale is too enormous to be concentrated on at this time. Bethel is the perfect place for a prophetic proportions judgment to occur, and that first and soon. (Dan8:13-14; Zech3:1-5; Mal3:1-5; Rev8:3-5)


JW Judgment is First and Will Picture the World Judgment It Will Lead To

Once Upon a Time JWs Tracked UN Prophecy Properly
Bethel Apostasy 1990 – Jehovah’s Witnesses UN NGO and the UN Prophecy Tracking Lost


Why TWO Witnesses?

Click to access why_two_witnesses_revelation11.pdf


The Final Phase – Final Prophetic Cycle Periods and Sovereign Meanings

Repeating Cycles: The Whole Prophecy Repeats Starting With The Temple Judgment Portion

Final Prophetic Cycle – Signals of Commencement

Major Prophetic Milestones to Armageddon

Final World Cycle Prophetic Truths Versus Bethel Smokescreen Deceptions


[QUOTE who=”Lordylordy9111″]
I suspect there are a lot of criminal acts going on with the money changing hands and where it is being filtered as the government does with their finances through complex applications in HUD and the Black Budget. No one will know until they can follow the money trail. [/QUOTE]

NO DOUBT they will connect JW money to the woest possible bloodshed supporting investment possible. These Satanists at Bethel are NOT messing around, and when they get the thing down, they will come on hard.

They are just waiting for the right time of their globalist world moves, which Bethel keeps in perfect dance step to support the globalists, as they both make their final planes as one. JWs are just one of many pins that are set for a strike. But they are a very important one to shut up.

And not just shut up, but send it out with the worst possible reproaches. Who knows what globalist exiting “revelations” they have when they put the final kabosh on the ministry.

They want to leave it with a BAD REPUTATION for later as well, to hinder the final message in all ways they can.

[QUOTE who=”Lordylordy9111″]<quoted text>
I expect the behavior and mood is weird maybe even bizarre from all the changes being made recently and anticipation of more changes coming. Really would like to know their thoughts at Bethel or has any of it sinking in that these changes are from God and it is not a welcoming change but a judgment of extermination. Of course it is persecution and not from any criminal acts on the part of the Watchtower who is god on paper in a printing company.[/QUOTE]

It’s going to take a street smart JW to see through this. Bethel has a perfect “the end” delusion deep in the JW head. So JWs can think all this is because the GB Seers “know how close it is! How exciting!!!!” “IT’S CLOSE BROTHERS AND SISTERS!” PARADISE PICNICS RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER!!!


Of course the Globalist Killers in the GB mean “deliverance” as Hitler would have meant it, to modern US Globalist Nazi FEMA, and such related traps setup globally to scoop up JWs. (Hos1:4-7 states God will give them Bethel, but NOT JWs Globally!)

This is DEAD SERIOUS!!!!

So they want to amp up the GB Prophets effect as well to a GB “Pied Piper” Climax of Credibility in the future, among the Global JW Lemmings. They want to make those Globalist Bethel Deadbeats look like real prophets by MAJOR GLOBALIST EVEN SYNCHRONIZATION. So the GB Final Forecast will be 100% based on internal globalist planning shared by Bethel and King North (Dan11:32a; Dan8:12), to make these final “connections” to prophecy for JWs LOOK AND FELL totally REAL, for the Hoax to manifest in full actual form.

So the External Globalists know just what to manifest with Russia and the “Coalition of Nations” to make it look REAL, and OFF THE CHARTS of JW ADRENALINE as “foretold” by the Bethel Internal Globalist Puppets at Bethel! (Dan11:32a; Dan8:12) ALL acting in concert to manifest the full Global JW “The End” Hoax! (During Daniel 8:13-14 anti-JW-org events as Daniel 11:41)

So the first hoax is selling Bethel’s Judgment as if “The End” Signal altogether!

If you think JWs clam up their minds now to the truths of the GB UN Apostates (Dan11:32a), just wait until that collective JW mind goes into a FRENZY of FALSE EXPECTATIONS, fanned to a furnace by the final GB tricks, WITH REAL GLOBAL EVENTS OF A MASSIVE NATURE!.

We know from 2 Thessalonians 2:1-2 the general delusion of a premature end is a signal to look for. We KNOW FULL WELL Bethel is promoting HEAVILY this “The End” delusion among JWs, in DETAIL of key prophecies, and in general uninformed expectations. That is they bypass the required 7th King fall, by keeping JWs totally out of date as far as global reality since 1990.

As you know Bethel has a few misapplied prophecy “handles” deep into the JW mind, to latch on to for Globalist use “at that time” (WT 11/15/13) to TAKE FULL ADVANTAGE OF THESE specific Armageddon Hoax, and premature end delusion general atmosphere now deep in the JW psyche.

Now we can know it will be time to CONNECT those Bethel misapplied prophecies’ and their JW-BRAIN-HANDLES, to upcoming Globalist provided MAJOR Global Events with the Key Final Global-Hoax Players (BUT very REAL events), to MATCH PERFECTLY the baited JW EXPECTATIONS. But SOON, as REAL HUGE Global developments BIG TIME!!!

But these are the specific set ups we know they can use in the future on JWs:

HOAX 1: Attack on Bethel is The End Signal Brothers!!!

1. The first Super Hoax event is the Bethel “Trampling” of Daniel 8:13, that Bethel will sell to JWs as “The End of the World Brothers!!” It has to come with the DECOY “King North” “Russia” and the “Coalition of Nations” DECOY developments to be brewing with the coming “attack on Bethel” real events, manifesting in some manner in very real anti-JW-org events coming up in tangent with the final global cycle just beginning, for selling Bethel’s Judgment of God, as if “The End” Signal altogether!

2. That way they sell the REQUIRED Bethel Temple Judgment signal “Trampling” of Daniel 8:13-14 and Daniel 11:41 actual Daniel 11 position, as if “Daniel 11:44 ATTACK Brothers!!!!!”. But it will be a DECOY and a HOAX, it is only at Daniel 11:41 in reality, going full blown “at that time”, “soon, very soon”; (WT 11/15/13, pg. 20, par. 17, #3; WT 7/15/15 “Your Deliverance is Getting Near” article Recent “The End” Attack on Bethel baiting programming.)

3. Babylon the Great Decoy: So Bethel has JWs expecting an “attack on Bethel” “soon, very soon”.

A. They use the premature Babylon the Great expectation to also cloak these coming events on Bethel. The “attack on Babylon the Great” is a broad cloaking Hoax 1 aiding DECOY. (BTG+Christendom Totality has to go down under full World Government, for a number of reasons, a number of years after Bethel goes down first. (1Pet4:17).)

HOAX 2. “Expect Daniel 11:44 Next Brothers!”

1. This King North “USSR” error can now be Revisited and amped up with FUTURE Russia, and or the “Coalition of Nations” developments now nearing something. This is hanging JWs too far into Daniel 11. Daniel 11:41 is what must come fully on Bethel visible globally. But they are already “entered” to keep Daniel 11 un-updated to King North World Government final cycle of Daniel 11:42-45. (Dan12:11);

Russia Framed as King North—The Purpose

HOAX 3. Gog of Magog is a Handy Coalition of Nations Brothers!

1. Now they just updated Gog, to conveniently align with King North potential “Coalition of Nations” who the Globalists can now create global events to make it look like those entities. But we are far from KN and Gog who must come under World Government final attack on the cleansed and updated Two Witnesses finale.

2. So the Globalists can create future events to fit the bill, and that will put JWs into a TOTAL “End of the World” Mental Frenzy! That Super-Hype on Steroids come the time for this to go into Global Overdrive,  aids the “Obey Obey Obey and Be Saved” BULL for the GB Globalist Pied Pipers to now play Moses, or whatever they have planned for those actors.

Next King North Hoax, Now “Gog” Primed For JWs

HOAX 4. Possible “Peace and Security” HOAX!

1. Now that the globalists KNOW this “peace and security” statement is expected by way more Christians than just JWs, it may be too good to pass up to aid a GLOBAL HOAX of hyped up premature end expectations. We have to see when they may use this. No doubt Bethel has drilled this into JW heads as the “leading signal” for them to expect if used globally. It would have to be also a Hoax Baiting development, based on this general premature end atmosphere also prevalent in the “Doomsday” minded global atmosphere of deep uncertainty. So it has a very broad potential audience to also hype up with the end expectation way too soon.

Bethel Delusional 1-2-3 Formula Versus Prophetic and Global Reality

And so we actually have a TOTAL GLOBAL “Doomsday” Expectation in place, for everyone, to hype and confuse many people in the start of the final cycle. The worse it looks, the better will look the recovery. The DOOM EFFECT, which JWs aid in their own way, aids the eventual Global “Healing” recovery cycle, the more doomful they can make it all look for the “sword stroke” phase of total doomsday hyping:

(Revelation 13:3) And I saw one of its heads as though slaughtered to death, but its death-stroke got healed, and all the earth followed the wild beast with >>admiration<<.

Which admiration is also amplified by the parallel UN recovery “ascension” also taking advantage of the global hopefulness this turn around will instead produce:

And by that it all makes the Final Complete World Government Global Presentation all the more hopeful and “Admirable” so people follow the Wildbeast as a “savior” and the counterfeit of God’s Kingdom, also a DECOY aided by use of false prophetic application, to hype up premature expectations globally before this unfolds taking full advantage of all the doomsday hype to recovery effect. Of course JWs are now aiding this “The End” Hype, when the prophecy is clear on the final outlined forecast to complete World Government required BEFORE Christ arrives.

Knowing THAT TRUTH, is of course very important and very simple to summarize:

World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3; Dan12:11), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

THAT is the simple main point that Bethel is covering up for their Globalists King North Masters.

But I think that if they want to create an “End of the World” Armageddon Hoax, it will have some enormous global events, and a period of time during the Daniel 8:14 timing, to make it all LOOK AS REAL AS THEY CAN MAKE IT LOOK to the global masses; to confuse them, control them, and confuse the temple ministry recovery as long as they can. (And to conceal the final World Government intent, until they are full ready to present it in total global irreversibility.

But with the “healing” period, can also come a final warning emergence just as the real World Government goal is becoming also globally known, before they complete the Final Abomination in global totality of the entire Revelation 17:8-13 Global “Ascension” of World Government. (And then the two witnesses cessation also completed, and the BTG judgment of Revelation 17:15-18, AFTER World Government completes.

By mass prophecy failure, year over year, starting with Bethel first, they will discredit all Christian prophecy in that process of global scale disappointments, when instead the real Signal UN “World Peace” of World Government [2] of the real 1 Thessalonians 5:1-3 will emerge, under World Government, as people start to “admire” it and say “it wasn’t that bad, we survived!” “enough of all that Christian doomsday prophecy already!!! we have world peace!” “celebrate the World Government!!!

And that is why the FORETOLD KN Bethel UN-Attaché is also covering up the simpler final cycle meaning and certainty.

World Government and Premature “Fulfillment” of Prophecy

In depth examination of the Bethel delusion of “the end” too soon complex:
Bethel Hoax: Premature End Expectation

Bethel’s Main Delusion: The End is Near, Jehovah’s Day is Here! – is a Signal of The Final Apostasy


Ten Virgins and Temple Judgment—”Your Deliverance is Getting Near” Hoax Setup


King 8 Versus King 7—The New World Order to Capture the Old World Order

8th King World Peace—Guaranteed


[QUOTE who=”Lordylordy9111″]<quoted text>
October is going to be an interesting month. We may have a clearer under standing what the WTS is doing. I want justice but some how the WTS may just be making money somehow or the bloodmoon spooked them too so now they are packing up their to-go-bags with their sunday best. All I need in my to-go-bag is asprin and coffee. I am a lite traveler.
I hear October is going to be knocking on justice doors and having several months of meds is good. [/QUOTE]

Yes it has two tiers, imo:

1. Insiders: The top tier will skim out the BILLIONS, and have been skimming the joint for years. And it is easily in the billions. Like 10 to 20 in investment valuation since 1950, skimmed regularly.

2. The Misled: The lower tier is for the Bethel system, probably 96% misled JWs, not “in on it” and waking up in varying degrees. They will run the coup on that pool of resources they have to leave behind for the Legal Tsunami phase.

This way they can channel out the big billions, and have been. This last batch was the stuff they had to wait until the very end to liquidate.

Then they run that “we are going broke” assumption, such as the Cedars angle. He doubts EVERYTHING Bethel says, except he all of a sudden believes them when they say they are broke.

What is looking like it may be “broke” is tier two, but the top tier will keep it all on track to the wall.

So they run a speculation mill, and give the impression Bethel is in an uproar, which aids the dissension belief. I’m sure many Bethelites are shaken, but this helps the impression. They then continue to rake in a record year of donations, and to liquidate the freed up assets, and to cut costs to try maximize their Exiting Nest Egg, sucked up to tier 1.

They leave tier 2 for the real storm, drained to the proper magnitude, to ensure it will be overwhelmed and engulfed by the far larger Legal Tsunami coming, and thus seize, takeover and or severely delay the corporation resource base, and crash it totally, or entangle it.

But such are the plans of mice and men, and in time they won’t be dealing with either, but God and Christ, with a final warning recovery priority.


[QUOTE who=”Lordylordy9111″]<quoted text>
That’s why they think they are so much better than anyone else their money donated to them tells them they are. [/QUOTE]

Yes, unless one is vigilant, money, especially lots of it, goes to people’s heads. Those guys are drunken “rich men”:

(Matthew 19:24) . . .Again I say to YOU, It is easier for a camel to get through a needle’s eye than for a rich man to get into the kingdom of God.”

Now Christ is not being “partial”, he knows he is God’s owner of all things, he is rich beyond human imagination. He stated that because imperfect men let money go to their heads, and they get high off of all the material things they can assemble in their collections, and those things become their god.

Christ is just being realistic:

(1 Corinthians 1:26) . . .For you behold his calling of you, brothers, that NOT MANY wise in a fleshly way were called, not many powerful, not many of noble birth;

Now Paul did not say “not any” of the wealthy “powerful” and noble are called, he just said “not many”. Because riches and elite traditions that get aligned with that wealth complex, has a psychological effect, it eclipses faith in God and Christ.

Obviously Bethel may act like one thing, but they are HIGH AND TRIPPING on all the wealth and numbers in their collection, as if it is theirs. Think they aren’t skimming out some “just in case” money? Yeah right.

They are “lovin’ it”, it had to also be a “root evil” in their system, high on themselves and all their wealth; same old story.

Now David was both hunted and a fugitive living in caves with an army of “riff raff”, in the Saul King’s eyes. But when he got the wealth, by divine delivery of the Kingdom of that time, he did not let it go to his head. And when he did, he made some mistakes for a woman he set to desiring. But it seems he knew this secret:

(Philippians 4:12) . . .I have learned the secret of both how to be full and how to hunger, both how to have an abundance and how to suffer want.

Thus God is not barring rich men from the Kingdom as in Christ’s general statement, they just need to know the secret, and stay focused on God, Christ and their Kingdom, because no one is fooling God and Christ when it comes down to the Kingdom we are really seeking.

Obviously God yanked the light plug on the Governing Body, he does not recognize it, and they are in the dark, before they got populated by King North agents. Obviously we have both, an infiltration now, and presumptuous men who decided to backstab God, Christ, Knorr and Fred Franz, for their own “Kingdom of Bethel Riches”.

They had the perks anyways, but they wanted to bask in some limelight too.

(Matthew 6:22-23) 22 “The lamp of the body is the eye. If, then, your eye is simple, your whole body will be bright; 23 but if your eye is wicked, your whole body will be dark. If in reality the light that is in you is darkness, how great that darkness is!

Now the whole focus is that of the “Governing Body Show”. One thing led to another, and the only “light” they bask in is their own “limelight” of really total darkness, God yanked the blessing, and now comes the exposure in full, in time. And it can ALL be blamed on that Governing Body development. ALL of it, they are a folly of men.

They are a DISASTER waiting to culminate.

The worst thing that EVER happened to the Jehovah’s witnesses ministry, and it will get worse, when the GB Experiment TOTALLY fails in time. God gave them over to themselves, for their reward now.

(Matthew 6:5) “Also, when you pray, you must not be as the hypocrites; because they like to pray standing in the synagogues and on the corners of the broad ways to be visible to men. Truly I say to you, They are having their reward in full.

The GB is those examples of vanity in our day. Their Rolex will strike midnight soon.


[QUOTE who=”Sparlock”]<quoted text>
Since my church has no “governing body” I guess we are not apostate or “mystery religion” (whatever that means).[/QUOTE]

I do not know your church, so you are doing better than Bethel’s TYRANNY:

The Governing Body Experiment—1944 to Present

And ALL CHURCHES will be called, again, into the final Open Salvation Call to form, after Bethel goes down.

How many will respond? We cannot say. I do not hold to the Bethel “we are the true religion” bull. First of, it is a FAITH anyone is welcome to, right out of the box. Secondly “religion” is the label driven division system that is the first idolization, and it comes with the idolization of “special buildings called “churches””.

NONE of that distraction was present in the first century!!! NONE of it!

But like the JW Governign Body Babel concept, now the “religion” label, and the church building, has also slipped in.

Not saying they always become idols, just saying if they are not kept in their place with a vigilance, they always do become idols, just like JW system pantheon of idolatry, all hidden under the “Kingdom ministry” cloak.

Right now I have the “it is NOT the end” and it si NOT “doomsday” personal framework in place of this final longest range forecast. I also believe ANYONE can be saved, as long as they keep the 666 off of themselves.

So it is not a boast, but compared to any corporate religion in the Christian sphere, I believe the OPEN SALVATION coming, and that message is the biggest and most open put there, while at the same time not fooling myself that the UN and NWO is “God’s Kingdom”. But just got to keep that 666 off of one self.

As far a telling people what to do, NO CAN DO!

Now Bethel harps on the sovereignty issue. Only God is a man’s sovereign, and Christ. That men were not supposed to be rulers of other men.

In such a principle one can preach, and give their own witness as one’s own choice in that sovereign decision to serve God through Christ—BUT we are NOT supposed to TELL SOME ONE WHAT TO DO!!!!

Very simple!

Yet Bethel?

The Command Center of all JWs, THREATENING THEM with the “do it OR ELSE” TYRANNY!!!!!!



And no one seemed to notice among JWs, it was very very very gradually brought in.

So, they will be made an example of. In time, all will see it.

JW Current Apostate Status and Final Temple Judgment – Web Witnessing Record; The Bethel Apostasy is Prophecy

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