September 2015

[QUOTE=Bristolmaid;14671]I was told by my sister that it is due to lack of funds that large public buildings are not being used anymore. Nothing mentioned about lack of attendance etc. However after the last assembly, held in it’s usual public domain, there was the usual talk about how the cost did not equate to the donations………they were in the red…..
I don’t believe that for one second. This is my own opinion and nothing more. The thing is, that there have always been large assemblies since I can recall going back 48 or so years. I recall many places we all attended.
I think it a money saving thing and I have to factor in various law suits, the RC, the relatively minor number of Jehovah’s Witnesses in Australia compared per capita in other countries[/QUOTE]

Mormons have an estimated net worth of 30 billion dollars for the corporate religion, with 15,000,000 members. They have an estimated 6 billion dollar yearly revenue. They certainly do not have the massive JW slave labor force of free labor and consulting. Bethel is invested into more than just real estate valuation projects and real estate assets. All in all there is no religion on Earth, per capita, as “money making” as JWs by the “value added” real estate construction and investing projects. Make no mistake, do your research, Bethel is the highest return on investment religion of them all, per capita.

JWs have a supposed 8,000,000. And even higher ROI.

Cut the Mormon figures in half, and one is in the ball park of the billions funneled through the WTBTS. Because of the “zeal” and free labor and global extent of development, the WTBTS may very well be near the Mormon LDS numbers. But no way are they broke (unless it is on purpose), and anything being channeled out, like that billion in NY real estate since 2010, is a liquidation down to the real JW numbers, which could be actually dropping, concealed by Bethel, who are known secretive deal makers and now JW big dollar swindlers.

In time the truth will come out.

(1 Timothy 5:24-25) . . .The sins of some men are publicly manifest, leading directly to judgment, but as for other men [their sins] also become manifest later. 25 In the same way also the fine works are publicly manifest and those that are otherwise cannot be kept hid.
The WTBTS banking cells, of the big King North globalist banks and hedges, will have made a fortune. But it will be just more blood money for those poor guys. But the bankers love Bethel.

The constant begging of Bethel, is to milk JWs for another billion before they go. They have had near billion dollar revenue years, of what is known, but probably vie with the Mormons in actual guarded numbers. Managing a multi-billion global empire takes lots of time and expertise. And that is also why Bethel has shut down any spiritual progress since GB 1976, they are money and org managers in reality.

At the bottom some JWs worship the org and Pharaoh GB like a golden calf idol of infallibility. At the top they slave drive JWs, as they worship money and the UN wildbeast, as they make billions for the global networked bankers and investment shelters, all off of JWs. They are “full time” “cave of robbers”, not full time Bible study. Nothing written since after 1990 is original, it can all be found in previous writings of Fred Franz. It is all plagiarized therapeutic minutia to give the GB and Bethel Billion Dollar Play a semblance of authenticity.

They haven’t had real “new light”, in fact no light, since 1976, it has all been rehashed, and the last real “light bearer” was Fred Franz.

(Matthew 25:8) …our lamps are about to go out.

God never did buy that 1944-1976-today GB experiment. Now it is time for Him to make it all known in time.

(Ezekiel 7:22) “‘And I shall have to turn away my face from them, and they will actually profane my concealed place, and into it robbers will really come and profane it.

(Hosea 7:1-3) 7 “At the time that I would bring healing to Israel, the error of Ephraim is also actually uncovered, and the bad things of Samaria; for they have practiced falsehood, and a thief himself comes in; a marauder band actually makes a dash on the outside. 2 And they do not say to their own heart that all their badness I will remember. Now their dealings have surrounded them. In front of my face they have come to be. 3 By their badness they make [the] (world’s) king rejoice, and, by their deceptions, princes (of the bankers).

The day of reckoning will in time come. It is on the horizon.

They will try to sell their end as “the end” to duped JWs. But it will only be the end of Bethel apostasy.

But they do have the perfect “it’s the end brothers!” exit strategy that has also been developed as they robbed the place blind. JWs will be lucky to hold on to even one Kingdom Hall when Bethel hits the fan. Bethel recently stripped all the KH assets, and that too was quite a windfall haul.

But then again, Christ always cleans out the temple “den of thieves” FIRST.
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KN

It is easy to understand because Jehovah knows the definition is already exposed by globalism researchers, it just takes time for real brothers to put it together to prophecy, as Rutherford did in 1920s with the League of Nations.

The ENTITY is already there, it is the [[same thing]], but King North is world government in Daniel’s complete overview given by God.

BOTH Daniel and John complete the World Government story from God.(Rev1:1) Revelation merely spans it up to a modern picture (Rev17:8-18), of the same story Daniel told (Dan11:45; Dan12:11; Dan8:25; Dan2:31-45), with Rome easily identified in Revelation as the “6th world power” in the progress to World Government 8th King.(=King North, King Fierce in Countenance)

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Complex Yet Simplified to Global

Thus as the complexity and scope of King North and King South have GONE GLOBAL, their ultimate identity has also simplified:

1. King South is the 7th King led whole Nation-State “Old World Order” “system of things”, at global scale.

2. King North is GLOBALIZATION COMPLETED World Government, also global in scope. But it is the “New World Order” of the final development of the whole “system of things”.

King 8 (King North) Versus King 7 (King South)—The New World Order to Capture the Old World Order
https://jwupdate.wordpress.com/2015/06/19/king-8-versus-king-7-the-new-world-order-to-capture-the-old-world-order/

ALL, “United” Nations are involved in World Government, King North is not a partial block, but the whole thing. As the whole nation-state system converges into World Government based on Globalized United Nations, all Bible prophecy symbology ALSO converges into the same entity, global:

WORLD GOVERNMENT, LOCATION: PLANET EARTH

Daniel 2 “image”, 8th King “scarlet wildbeast”, King North, King of Fierce Countenance are ALL the same WORLD GOVERNMENT finale, whose COMPLETION triggers Christ arrival.

Bethel joined the UN NGO, and morphed the post 1944 JW minsitry to be all about the “Governing Body” Pyramid of “Theocratic Organization” which is really a GB based “theocracy”, a GBeocracy.

THAT is why God will not allow them to see King North, and that is why internally they are with King North (Dan11:32a), so they will conceal King North and apply it again to Russia and a “coalition of nations” as new Gog teaching, for the final coming sword stroke cycle that heals into said world government.(Rev13:3)

Bethel will try to conceal King North as long as they are able, and sell JWs the 7th King King South downfall and capture into world government (Dan11:42-43) as if “the end of the world” (2Thess2:1-2), because Bethel has gone bad (Dan8:12), and UN NGO, and God has to also judge and clean out that diverted ministry.(Zech3:1-5; Dan8:13-14; Rev8)

JWs are merely stalled by presumptuous men that God has rejected, and that is why JWs make no King North obvious world government understanding progress, until the GB is put of the way.(Dan11:41; Dan8:13-14)

1944 is when the GB was born.

*** Watchtower 1971; 12/15 pp. 755-756 A Governing Body as Different from a Legal Corporation ***

“”In the year 1944 the Watchtower magazine BEGAN TO SPEAK about the governing body of the Christian congregation.””

It is an old error, that is why JWs and even Bethel, has trouble IDing the problem with this ministry. But 1944 is the year the devolution began (2Thess2:11-12 principle), AFTER Guard Rutherford died to earth in 1942.

How Daniel 8:12-14 Unright Condition Has Been Developed by the Profane Governing Body Since 1944
https://templelijah.wordpress.com/dan8/how-daniel-812-14-unright-condition-has-been-developed-by-the-profane-governing-body-since-1944/

[QUOTE who=”Nomi”]I’m not so sure the king couldn’t even be Isis now. I see several options available.[/QUOTE]

“ISIS” is controlled by King North for the purpose of the religious war sector of global takeover of the globalist world government 8th King full King North.

ISIS is the Egypt goddess as symbol that “Egypt” (The 7th King nation-state system) becomes subservient in the future to the King North global wealth takeover:

(Daniel 11:42-43) And he will keep thrusting out his hand against the lands; and as regards the land of Egypt, she will not prove to be an escapee. 43 And he will actually rule over the hidden treasures of the gold and the silver and over all the desirable things of Egypt.

(Daniel 11:42-43) And he

(8th King/King North)

will keep thrusting out his hand against the

(national)

lands; and as regards the land of Egypt

(collective national powers; King South “capital”),

she

(feminized King South=7th King)

will not prove to be an escapee.

(captured by globalist power intrigues of first a financial nature:)

43 And he

(King North/8th King)

will actually rule over the hidden treasures

(globally)

of the gold and the silver and over all the desirable things of Egypt.

(Thus 8th King/King North rules the world wealth, wealth system and all “desirable things” of collective global national “Egypt” “King South” powers in full globalist progressive ownership);

NO WAY did the USSR become the global gold bullion ruler that the 8th King pwoers will become in the future US meltdown cycle.

Daniel 11:42-43 Explicit in Coming 8th King Globalized Wealth Control
http://templelijah.wordpress.com/daniel-12/daniel-1142-43-explicit-in-coming-8th-king-globalized-wealth-control/

That is why King 7 must fall before King 8 goes into full world government.

8th King World Government Rise with 7th King Nation State Fall
https://jwupdate.wordpress.com/world-government/8th-king-world-government-rise-with-7th-king-nation-state-fall/

King 8 Versus King 7—The New World Order to Capture the Old World Order
https://jwupdate.wordpress.com/2015/06/19/king-8-versus-king-7-the-new-world-order-to-capture-the-old-world-order/

8 Kings: Why the 7th King Anglo-American National System Must “Fall”
http://templelijah.wordpress.com/world-war-4-un-4-0/8-kings-why-the-7th-king-anglo-american-national-system-must-fall/

Bethel is UN NGO, so they cover for UN King North sector until removed as Daniel 11:41 parallel Daniel 8:13-14 coming up.

[QUOTE who=”Matt9969″]So if you take the estimated net worth of the WTBTS at $1,000,000,000.00 and distribute that between the 7 governing body members, that comes to around each governing body member is worth a little over $142,000,000.00 each. I wonder if they have trophy wives?[/QUOTE]

Try 10 billion. Conservative estimate. You can use Mormon numbers…

The 10 Richest Religions in the World

…to extrapolate the WTBTS figure, and “value added” to the WTBTS due to free labor. (In other words WTBTS is more ROI lucrative than about any religion on earth, per capita)

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Mormons have an estimated net worth of 30 billion dollars for the corporate religion, with 15,000,000 members. They have an estimated 6 billion dollar yearly revenue. They certainly do not have the massive JW slave labor force of free labor and consulting.

Bethel is invested into more than just real estate valuation projects and real estate assets. All in all there is no religion on Earth, per capita, as “money making” as JWs by the “value added” real estate construction and investing projects. Make no mistake, do your research, Bethel is the highest return on investment religion of them all, per capita.

JWs have a supposed 8,000,000. And even higher ROI.

Cut the Mormon figures in half, and one is in the ball park of the billions funneled through the WTBTS. Because of the “zeal” and free labor and global extent of development, the WTBTS may very well be near the Mormon LDS numbers.

But no way are they broke (unless it is on purpose), and anything being channeled out, like that billion in NY real estate since 2010, is a liquidation down to the real JW numbers, which could be actually dropping, concealed by Bethel, who are known secretive deal makers and now JW big dollar swindlers.

In time the truth will come out.

(1 Timothy 5:24-25) . . .The sins of some men are publicly manifest, leading directly to judgment, but as for other men [their sins] also become manifest later. 25 In the same way also the fine works are publicly manifest and those that are otherwise cannot be kept hid.

The WTBTS banking cells, of the big King North globalist banks and hedges, will have made a fortune. But it will be just more blood money for those poor guys. But the bankers love Bethel.

The constant begging of Bethel, is to milk JWs for another billion before they go. They have had near billion dollar revenue years, of what is known, but probably vie with the Mormons in actual guarded numbers. Managing a multi-billion global empire takes lots of time and expertise. And that is also why Bethel has shut down any spiritual progress since GB 1976, they are money and org managers in reality.

At the bottom some JWs worship the org and Pharaoh GB like a golden calf idol of infallibility. At the top they slave drive JWs, as they worship money and the UN wildbeast, as they make billions for the global networked bankers and investment shelters, all off of JWs.

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[QUOTE who=”GodSmacked”]<quoted text>
I find it unfathomable that JW’s get such joy out of gossiping about other posters personal life. I believe that is a norm in the faith itself. Clearly; JW’s see the need to smear, lie; on a perpetual habitual pathological level; about any poster that disagrees with them on any issue whatsoever.
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Well the first half of the “Proclaimers” book utilizes that same kind of “gossip” technique, to talk about everything that did not matter, as the 1944 first mentioned “governing body” fully and fianlly fabricated their entire history in that fabricated lie, whose purpose is to establish the Governing Body idol as if a divine entity.

Now if a LIE is now “ruling by committee”, there has to be a technique so that JWs do not look into their real history, that is, how the GB ACTUALLY couped the place starting in 1944, having to wait until AFTER Rutherford died (1942), to even utter a peep about the fictional “governing body”.

From 1944 to 1976 the gangrene had set in fully, so by 1976 the GB could lift themselves over everyone in JWs, and assume control.

Now with that 1976 move they needed to:

1. Place the disfellowshipping Inquisiiton to make sure no one chiseled them off the billions.

And with that protection device, came all the JW “gnat focused” minutia, where the GB even came into the JW bedroom, to referee their “love making” techniques.

It was after 1976 that the GB brought in the JW Neurotic Atmosphere.

And it works, no one even notices the “board of directors” used to have zero power:

***Jehovah’s Witnesses in the Divine Purpose (1959); pp. 70-71***

“”Throughout the entire administration of Pastor Russell, the president and the other officers of the Society had been the ones to decide on new publications; the board of directors, as a body, was not consulted. Brother Rutherford continued this same policy as he took up the new administration. “”

But what does the GB now say?

*** Proclaimers chap. 6 pp. 64-65 A Time of Testing (1914-1918) ***

“”In his will Brother Russell outlined an arrangement for an Editorial Committee of five to determine the contents of The Watch Tower. In addition, the board of directors of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society made arrangements for an Executive Committee of three—A. I. Ritchie, W. E. Van Amburgh, and J. F. Rutherford—to have general supervision of all the work of the Society, subject to the control of the board of directors.””

And from there (and before in that book) they continue to fabricate reality, by diversion, and slipped in lies.

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So the more mentally distracted and preoccupied with much busy-body work JWs are, the better for the GB Multi-Billion Dollar Coup. And that is the “Loco Weed” that is now in the JW waters (Rev8:10-11), because in reality the GB is a coup that had been trying to seize control since 1917, and had to wait until Rutherford died, to pull off the revived coup in that 1944-1976 transformation into a fantasy to support the GB Billionaires and their money counting coup.

Of course those kinds of deceptions and spirit of takeover, will have an affect on JWs buying this lie, as most JWs are newbies, and inexperienced in their real history. So they also pulled the coup off, at the perfect time.

Now JWs just think it has always been a “Governing Body Show” as now that is all anyone talks about; forget God and Christ, JWs have the GB Golden Calf to worship. There is no real “holy spirit” smoothing out things for JWs in the KHs, there is a spirit of divisiveness at work, whose source is the GB Time Bomb.

Soon it will fully explode.

(2 Timothy 3:13) But wicked men and impostors will advance from bad to worse, misleading and being misled.

No wonder Fred Franz had this to say in 1979, about the Governing Body coup of 1976:

Fred Franz “”went on to say that he had not been in favor of the change then and that from that point forward he had “just been watching” to see what would result.”” (CoC; Ch. 4)

Now we know the result: APOSTASY.

And eventually the full JW org downfall and pillage goal.

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> I always thought the events happeningvat Revelation 11:13 such as the
> earthquack destroying a tenth of the city was connect with message work of the
> “two witnesses” and it may be connected with angels but it was not the
> tribulations yet. I believe God wants to purify the nations before armageddon
> because God can save more by the events of the “two witnesses” and it may be a
> wait and see and the details will reveal. Jesus will make Himself known prior
> (not sure how far in advance of the GT but could be several decades) to the GT
> and armageddon.

And you are also correct, the “problem” global crisis coming up will be bad, true; but it WILL “heal”. BUT what the globalists have planned under full world government, in that “healing”, will be WORSE, as far as controlled depopulation, WHILE they are saying “World Peace everyone!”. (“bring many to ruin DURING a freedom from care” as “healing” and world “peace and security” parallel)

So the real “great tribulation” climax, is at the very end, after Revelation 11:13 full warning and effect has taken place, before world government has completed. The “tribulation of those days” leads to world government, as bad as it may get, it will heal, as the final warning also emerges. The climax “four winds” worst part, is under world government. And by that time, people will have started to wake up by the global crisis that led to that final period.

The real dangerous period, is AFTER they get 100% global power in world government, with that “healing” process. And so you are correct, the full warning and Revelation 11:13 effect will have transpired BEFORE the world government it will be warning of takes full global effect. But the effect of repentance is ongoing, people will see things the “two witnesses” will have already been warning of, like world government.

And that is how God can save many, “the end” is NOT in the “tribulation of those days”, the “rock the nations so the desirable things come in” is. The world can be woken up by that global crisis. But it heals as well. It heals into world government, and if people are paying attention, that will be a great signal of the REAL END, AFTER world government is complete and in global rule a very short period of time. And the “two witnesses” will have by that time already been explaining that overall process, in which drawn out manner, God will get through to many people seeing and feeling these events for some final years.

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And that is why the “tribulation of those days” resolves BEFORE Christ arrives:

(Matthew 24:29-31) 29 “Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

Explicitly stated Christ does not end that “tribulation of those days”, it expires in its own global formulaic cycle (to present world government), before Christ even arrives.

(Matthew 24:30-31) And then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in lamentation, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he will send forth his angels with a great trumpet sound, and they will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds, from one extremity of the heavens to their other extremity.

And if we also NOTICE VERY CAREFULLY, a whole lot MORE ALSO occurs BEFORE Christ arrives in gathering mode:

“Immediately after the tribulation of those days”…

1. “the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven”;

2. “and the powers of the heavens will be shaken”;

3. “AND THEN the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven”; (for believers first);

4. “AND [THEN] all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in lamentation”; (as the news spreads);

AND [THEN] they will SEE the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Now there is far more to those developments than an instant event. Rather it is a series of events that precede Christ full arrival. Which is, finally, after all that, this “sheep” gathering mode first:

(Matthew 24:31) And he will send forth his angels with a great trumpet sound, and they will gather his chosen ones together from the FOUR WINDS (Rev7:1-3), from one extremity of the heavens to their other extremity. (Rev 14 final sequence)

Notice that no “destruction” is taking place in that whole prophecy, it is the “gathering” of 2 Thessalonians 2:1 (1Thess4:17; Rev16:17-20 “Christ Air” event); it is only the “tribulation of those days” phase expiring into the Christ arrival, which must be, by other cross references in prophecy to this period, after full world government has fully “ascended” and completed. (Rev11:7; Rev17:8-13)

So we can know the “Great Tribulation” is a dual phased global-cycle, that is coming up parallel with that “tribulation of those days” first phase, which will encompass these parallels of prophecy and the formulaic world government presenting purpose of the whole cycle: “problem” to “solution”; “chaos” to “order”; “sword stroke” to “healing”; “abyss plunge” to “abyss ascension”, “national governments” to “global government”—they are ALL the same thing that fully run their course in the “tribulation of those days” cycle before Christ arrives.

A “tribulation of those days” that resolves, as the “sword stroke” “heals” (Rev13:3), as the “scarlet wildbeast” “ascends” into world government, is the set of massive global parallel progressive events that SIGNAL the arrival of Christ BEFORE he manifests which aids the whole warning and final Open Salvation period awareness. (Rev17:8-12; Rev11:7-13)

And under world government, “solution” phase, “order” phase, “healed” phase, to full global World Government global-presentation milestone event (Dan11:45=Dan12:11; Dan8:25; Rev17:12; 1Thess5:1-3), is when that parallel “FOUR WINDS” phase commences as Matthew 24:31, and Revelation 7, TOTAL FINAL GATHERING which is what Revelation 7 fully itemizes—while under full World Government and its final agenda and requirements of prophecy. 

>  It is away that many come to worship God who would have been
> destroyed if it were armageddon. Any way I may be completely wrong. Satan who
> is the 10th king is now in his “one hour” and event connected to it are
> beginning to be fulfilled but as I said I believe more is about to quake and
> shake to prepare for Revelation 11:15.
>
> I enjoy you input. You have read the Bible well. I’ve read it three times and I
> don’t think it is sufficient.
>
> Agape

Well you are right. The whole first witness preview, has been having an effect since the thing started to emerge. So in preview form, there has been repentance. And in reality there are many more people who have considered the truths of the first witness, than just a few million JWs.

And that is why Bethel had to subvert the WT, etc, it has a global reach, and into more heads than just JWs.

So some of those still “my people” in BTG, and by the principle all over the world, have been getting enlightenment of THEMES, that Bethel merely try to keep incomplete; like them avoiding the “world government” completion idea.

So God WILL iron this out, in harmony, for simple outline, and the full summary, and the more people have read the Bible, the better. But the theme is so simple, even pure secular world government research is also able to derive the same conclusion: it will trigger God Himself!

And THE BIBLE itself, is all over the world, as God’s main overall witnessing tool, that all a person has to do is open it up, and read it, and angels are on it, to help ALL PEOPLE the second they open that Bible, it is that real.

God purposes for Christ to have to complete the very ministry he began, that is getting obvious. And the church and Bethel stall, is only a stall for some, some people are now thinking beyond those “middle men”, so God, who knows everyone’s level of awareness, can get through for this entire period.

If we want to “destroy people” we can find that in the Bible, to fit an agenda. BUT if we want to save as many humans as possible, THAT is actually in the Bible. And that is how God “discerns intentions of the heart” by the same book. Our basic character will find what it wants to find, to support its position.

Thus to me, the bigger the salvation, of course, THE BETTER. And since Christ is a perfect judge, with the same intent, we can find BIG SALVATION for some people who will become “sheep” EVEN AFTER Christ arrives. Some people will wake up, by Christ himself, to finish his SAVING work first.

In the meantime, God has to let it be locked up in errors, until the big good news can emerge fast tracked in the final period of 1260 days, but with prelude years of waking up people by “rocking the nations”.

And even then, Christ still must complete the Global “circuit” in person, spirit person, which is in any way he wants. (Matt10:23)

But God, due to resistant wickedness in power, will have to spring the final warning fast, and hard, BEFORE they complete world government. They are not going to let people talk and talk for years, as they did JWs, once they down that minsitry and plunge the world into this final “problem” to “solution” cycle.

It will take God to “cause my tow witnesses” to complete the mission.

And he will.

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[QUOTE who=”Nedoba “]<quoted text>
Sadly enough, the WTS defenders will fail to see just how much truth there is in your post.
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As in Egypt, it will take greater actions to finally free JWs from their modern day Pharaoh GB Priesthood.

But make no mistake, the enormity of the final prophecy that [used to be] being summarized for the era leading to world government, will indeed receive just such an action, from God, as He again uses worldly tools to remove the insurrection based in the 1944-1976 to today GB experimental override.

They will sell that to JWs, as “the end”. (2Thess2:1-2)

But make no mistake, it will only be the end of the Bethel Pharisee GB and their apostasy, amidst some very dire GLOBAL anti-JW-org developments.

And they will go out to try to get fled JWs as well, just like Pharaoh. And like Pharaoh, God will bring in the other wall of water to turn back that total anti-JW global objective (Hos1:4-7), as BOTH periods of fulfillment will start to be explained, as one whole, hence “TWO witnessings”.

They have most of JWs AND the world spectators fooled as to what is REALLY going on INSIDE the JW org, and its real purpose to divert the World Government warning ministry in a stalled apostasy that JWs now are in.

And why?

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Because World Government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3; Dan12:11), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.
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And COVERING UP (Dan8:12b) that SIMPLE EQUATION, while subverting JWs (Dan8:12a), is what all the Bethel smoke and mirrors, and “enemy in the house” (Dan11:32a) is ALL about.

And that is why that “enemy” and “den of thieves” in the GB Bethel subterfuge of camouflage, will also be hit, when God comes a rocking JWs, as Christ comes a knocking on the temple door.

Christ kicks out the cave of robbers FIRST, for a sign. (Isa66:6) Or, Isaiah’s anti-666 “in the temple” prophecy, that caps off the Bethel desolation, and though scattered like sheep, JWs will be FREED.

(Zechariah 13:7) 7 “O sword, awake against my shepherd, even against the able-bodied man who is my associate,” is the utterance of Jehovah of armies. “Strike the shepherd, and let those of the flock be scattered; and I shall certainly turn my hand back upon those who are insignificant.”

And that “sword” is the internal-to-external World Government powers who want to crunch Bethel for good, while canceling the JW ministry, and tossing JWs overboard and scattered, so JWs can try to figure out the real riddle there, on their own. Checkmate.

But like Jonah, God will have JWs swallowed up, to be thrown up on the proper shore of the final warning, later. When JWs are “thrown up” from the “great fish”, they will “see the light”, it will be the “morning” recovery phase of Daniel 8:14.

How God does this is yet to be seen. (Dan11:41)

That the significant prophecy CONTINUUM to world government meaning, is being severed by apostate GB and Bethel under their control, is why this is happening here first. (1Pet4:17)

But due to the “Governing Body Show” and “JW Circus of Global Reproach”, everyone is distracted. (2Pet2:1-3)

Most forgot or now doubt what it was JWs [USED TO BE] saying about God’s Kingdom, and 8th King World Government, having a little universal scale dispute about who is going to rule planet Earth, when they complete their World Government Abomination. (Rev17:12-14)

Thus the Governing Body of Diversion and Apostasy has accomplished their 1976 mission. Now GOD will get his turn at bat. (Dan8:13) And the GB is what they are pitching. They are foul balls, true, but when God hits them it will be a Grand Slam the whole world will see and hear, for the purpose of the signal.

(Isaiah 28:19) 19 As often as it passes through, it will take you men away, because morning by morning it will pass through, during the day and during the night; and it must become nothing but a reason for quaking TO MAKE OTHERS UNDERSTAND what has been heard.” (Dan11:41; Dan8:13-14)

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[QUOTE who=”ihveit”]<quoted text>
ihv one question WHAT ABSOLUTE PROOF DO YOU HAVE THAT THE JWS ARE TRULY GODS ORGANIZATION? SHOW US HOW THEY SELECTED …
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The “God’s Organization” thing is a bunch of BS. It is part of the distraction.

There is NO SUCH THING AS “GOD’S ORGANIZATION” on earth.

(God OWNS everything first off., and secondly the human world is sinful, God’s “organization” is THE Kingdom of God, period. Heavenly; But there is a “congreagtion of the first born”, but it is not up at Betehl any longer in some representatives; (GOD knows who is who world wide))

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What JWs did have was tracking world government to completion since 1914-1919 WW1 cycle “League of Nations” emergence. To WW2 capping UN 1945, and so on.

But they dropped the ball at post Codl War UN 1990, the THIRD UN prophecy event. (Bethel went UN sponsoring UN NGO, rather than tell JWs that was a 3rd UN propehcy to also be tracked to world government)

So JWs have not figured out it is actually UN 1-2-3-4, the fourth “UN” event is WORLD GOVERNMENT several years from now, after the US/UK “7th King” nation-state system crashes. (Dan11:42-43)

But the JW org is now going to get sacked (Dan11:41; Dan8:13-14), so they cannot make that announcement, and they are not aware of it anyways, due to GB and Bethel SUBVERSION, 1976, to UN NGO to today.

The GB are basically Satan and the CIA/MI6 all in one ball of leaven, to stall, corrupt, derail, depose, cancel, and rip off the JW ministry for about 15 billion dollars, assets, etc. (It may be upwards of a 30 billion dollar overall scam, since 1980)

It is 8th King bankers and 8th King/King North’s Organization.

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[QUOTE who=”Aneirin”]<quoted text>
It is very easy to CHECK for YOURSELVES dear READERS.
The nourishing food I am talking about can be found here, free for download:
Jehovah’s Witnesses’ publications:
http://www.jw.org/en/publications/
Jehovah’s Witnesses’ Bible teachings:
http://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/
JW Library App
http://appcrawlr.com/android/jw-library
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Left overs, in reality.

The GB has done NOTHING but count money and parrot the past since 1976.

Everything after that point Fred Franz had already done.

1969—The JW Peak of Spiritual Enlightenment: Revelation Complete
https://jwupdate.wordpress.com/2015/06/26/1969-the-jw-peak-of-spiritual-enlightenment-revelation-complete/

And the GB is all post 1944 subversion.

The Governing Body Experiment—1944 to Present
https://jwupdate.wordpress.com/2015/08/23/the-governing-body-experiment-1944-to-present/

No wonder they joined the United Nations of Non-Kingdom Organizations, too boot.

The Proclaimers book is all GB cover up, to fabricate their history as if prior to 1944.

THAT is why, in 1944, is when the “governing body” concept was even mentioned among JWs—NINETEEN FORTY FOUR, as noted in this 1971 Watchtower, when they decided to capitalize the name of their title. This title, in 1971, is the first upper case “Governing Body” occurrence, 1971:

*** w71 12/15 pp. 755-756 A Governing Body as Different from a Legal Corporation ***

“”The official magazine of Jehovah’s Christian witnesses is The Watchtower Announcing Jehovah’s Kingdom. In the year 1944 the Watchtower magazine BEGAN TO SPEAK about the governing body of the Christian congregation.””

So that is the 1971 WT issue that they started to capitalize their title “Governing Body”, a lifted up “board of directors” coup, once again, forming for the 1976 coup.

And it works, no one even notices the “board of directors” used to have zero power:

***Jehovah’s Witnesses in the Divine Purpose (1959); pp. 70-71***

“”Throughout the entire administration of Pastor Russell, the president and the other officers of the Society had been the ones to decide on new publications; the board of directors, as a body, was not consulted. Brother Rutherford continued this same policy as he took up the new administration. “”

But what does the GB now say?

*** Proclaimers chap. 6 pp. 64-65 A Time of Testing (1914-1918) ***

“”In his will Brother Russell outlined an arrangement for an Editorial Committee of five to determine the contents of The Watch Tower. In addition, the board of directors of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society made arrangements for an Executive Committee of three—A. I. Ritchie, W. E. Van Amburgh, and J. F. Rutherford—to have general supervision of all the work of the Society, subject to the control of the board of directors.””

>subject to the control of the board of directors.<???

LIE.

And from there (and before in that book) they continue to fabricate reality, by diversion, and slipped in lies to make it seem like the GB has been here since the 1st century.

THAT LIE is now called “spiritual food”. From error, 1944, to lie, in about 40 years post 1976 GB.

From Simple Error to Full Blown LIE. How?
https://jwupdate.wordpress.com/2015/08/07/from-simple-error-to-full-blown-lie-how/

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[QUOTE who=”Lordylordy9111″]
It goes all the way back to Lenin and Russia they still have not connected Tzar and the murder of his beautiful family and. Nicholas I was an advocate in the first conventions to stop dangerous weapons being used in war. He was a powerful man of peace and tbe illuminati murdered him and his family through Lenin thereby creating bolshevism for their own entertainment of creating a problem creating fear and these international criminal elites offer the solution that is the LN. They are murderers. Plain and simple.[/QUOTE]

Yes it is like a Circus of Centuries, various rings and acts and a mesmerized global crowd.

Now speaking of Russia, look at the era from the death of France’s royalty, to today. They wiped out, or neutralized to a prop, the natural “aristocracy” of Russia, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, etc.

England retains a prop “royalty”, the only one allowed basically (since their controllers run the show in Anglo elite tier), and Italy has the Royalty of the Vatican as their god.

In all cases a cabal of technocrat elites and bankers rule the vacated natural thrones, such as in the US Anglo clone system, an aristocracy of financiers and alchemists, the money creators, which is the medium that turns paper and ink into trillions in hard assets, that all shake out into globalist bank control, as even those national government props are now about to go into checkmate of King North.

Everything was subverted by an Authoritative Proxy, that in reality was the cell of gradual control. Like JWs, the post 1944 Governing Body Proxy, the same “board of directors” coup of 1917, in principle, but successful in 1976. That is now the cell of JW subversion.

Every piece of this puzzle, has the same basic pattern of subversion. Get rid of the real authorities, place in indebted proxies, and lead it all to a Global Proxy of World Government, and cloak it every which way for the final sell as “God’s Kingdom” or “Utopia”, or whatever fits the expectations programmed in, to play people as it progresses to the final act.

The whole puzzle is a picture of the nature of the pieces, controlling people to accept FAKE authorities as if “God” Himself.

Imagine what God will do, when He does arrive? No wonder they “head for the “hills””:

(Revelation 6:12-17) . . .And I saw when he opened the sixth seal, and a great earthquake occurred; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the entire moon became as blood, 13 and the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as when a fig tree shaken by a high wind casts its unripe figs. 14 And the heaven departed as a scroll that is being rolled up, and every mountain and [every] island were removed from their places. 15 And the kings of the earth and the top-ranking ones and the military commanders and the rich and the strong ones and every slave and [every] free person hid themselves in the caves and in the rock-masses of the mountains. 16 And they keep saying to the mountains and to the rock-masses: “Fall over us and hide us from the face of the One seated on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb, 17 because the great day of their wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”

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[QUOTE who=”The old boy”]Its called greasing the palm C/O don;t get a massive amount of cash for expenses and the congregations are expected to. step up to the plate. No matter how rich they become they ‘don;t even want to pay for what is a business expense. But if your a JW maybe you would not want to look at such practices. The jw is no different from a greedy grasping Org.[/QUOTE]

A multi-billion dollar organization requires management that is full time money managing, not “full time Bible study”. They just smokescreen the cave of robbers as if “full time ministry”. The generalized COs and others are just the chumps who go out and milk the cows, and keep feeding them rehash to keep the Promised Land flowing with Milk and Money.

Tax free, slave labor driven, JWs on speed, throwing in every dollar and asset possible, RACKET.

They really are laughing all the way to the bank, where it is all stored in some form, in but 1 sector of the the laundering process.

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No.
Rather, there will be a depletion in the prospective number, which can be affirmed in several ways, such as Matthew 25:1-13.
We are far from Christ arrival, because we are yet pretty far from World Government that has to complete before Christ arrives. (For example, the US and EU nation-state “old world order” core, still has to meltdown into a global crisis; but the “problem” “heals” for the “solution” of world government.)
For a time basic logic is all that will prevail, the global-corporate Christianity complex is invested into world government (all their money is in the banks and investment bag of the world government owners), sad to say, but true.
That is why there will be a depletion of Christian “candidates”, as the premature prophecy expectations of engineered programming are worn down to the nub, over these final years, year over drawn out year of disappointment coming for corporate Christians, instead, en route to World Government first.
Think about it for a while. Then you will understand why the “gathering” cannot complete at this time, and why instead a depletion will prevail for a while. The guards fell asleep a long long time ago, sold out to world government many moons ago.
In that way “Christian prophecy” (actually mere interpretational claims) can be used to present World Government as if “God’s Kingdom”. This is because as the “interpretations” fail, one after the other, they are “re-spun” to fit the next delusion, and so on, as all Christian prophecy is thoroughly discredited at global scale—instead moving towards the World Government “ascension” to global-presentation first stop.
See how the bait and switch is already working well in some human minds? They just continue to repackage the sausage, that ends up being World Government presented first.
In that way choosing God’s Kingdom, or that other choice of “World Government” will be cut and dried globally. People go one way, or the other, with plenty of preparatory awakening while en route to World Government first, rising on the US/EU financial downfall coming soon. (Daniel 11:42-43 to mature as Revelation 13:15-18; Crash and recovery (into world government) as per Revelation 13:3; Revelation 17:8-12)
And that will take some years, and some doing.
Think about that possibility, rather than the “presto change-o” diversions of the main “interpretations” of prophecy. (Like the premature “beam me up Scotty” “Rapture” delusion. It is NOT helping people THINK.)
It is not that prophecy is invalid, God knows it is real, it is that it is being applied way too soon (2 Thessalonians 2:1-2), so people make a mental escape even now, when they should be thinking about this very deeply at this time.
In the meantime, the simple equation is really = World Government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated in “World Peace Everyone!” (1Thess5:1-3; Dan12:11), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes.
That takes several more years.
Several more years of distractions as well, I might add.

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[QUOTE who=”Nedoba “]<quoted text>
The WTS’ spokesmen are so busy pointing out how all other faiths and beliefs are being led by Satan and are liars…..but somehow these men fail to take into account how many foolish declarations they have made as “truths” that have all fallen flat with new ideas and suppositions being hailed as “new light”. Those followers that truly love God and love truth…..need to walk away now before it is too late for them.
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Yet it is all on purpose, the enemy is in the JW house. And as Bethel devolved into even being a “Non-Governmental” member of the “United Nations OF Non-Kingdom Organizations”, while saying they are Kingdom “ambassadors substituting for Christ”, a total hidden blaspheme in their UN NGO labelling, by their own decree, that ships is lost.

Now rather than “convert the world” to but another fancy money making RELIGION, rather than the faith it set out trying to support, we can draw only two conclusions:

1. Everyone else is wrong.

2. Or it is all lost now as far as corporate bean counting “religions”.

And in such a case as obviously GB led hypocrisy is not a truth all the way down to their “body” of opposition itself, itself a LIE and a fabrication of JW history since 1944, provable in their own lying words and cover up, when they tossed ALL of their former spearheads under the bus, usurping even Christ the leader, and spurning God Almighty to his face, then the bad news is, it is all GOOD NEWS.

It means the truth is God is assessing ALL MANKIND, and will give ample opportunity for ANYONE to be saved when the real Chief of the whole thing arrives.

In reality any religion that has enough success to milk the flock, are really tools for the one CONVERGENT PURPOSE: to sell world government total global domination in their own ways, while corrupting all they can, while stalling all truth to expose true modern world developments in that said direction, while fleecing the sheep, while inventing their own “holy middle man” veneer, while everyone is put to sleep on their laughing gas.

THAT TOO is all equaling ONE OUTCOME, “get OUT of her my people!”, go to God one on One, and for many Christ is the ONLY middle man, also one on one, no need of middlemen who subvert.

So the real meaning of Bethel downfall, is God blowing open the dam that has been holding back the waters of life, as Bethel’s fall will in time lead to the fall of all the sold out UN puppeteered corporate religion “harlots”.

The here and now where “career” and money and cultural roles of various slaveries is the definition of a human’s being, is how the world’s play has people disconnected from the natural earth, the dust from which men were created and from which men do everything they can to remove their feet from for a concrete, metal, rubber and plastic world of a “shadow world” illusion of Satan.

God understands the illusion that started in Genesis 3, so He knows man has bought the whole lie, so He will appeal by supernatural power, each in its own way, tom all people as things get far more serious en route to world government.

Bethel evils is why they will be but one sign, but a big one to those paying attention, when their judgment comes WELL BEFORE the real end. They want to sell their end, as “the end”, to JWs while the world dips into a global crisis that will heal into world government, the goal from day one of Satan’s lie.

Bethel will be a “snapshot” “microcosm” of the bigger global picture of a world getting ready to meet the Almighty Himself and His Son Jesus Christ, for real, in person. THAT is the far bigger story world government will in time trigger. And in the meantime, until it is too late, that is what Bethel and the rest will continue to conceal the simple truth of, from as many people as they can.

But God will make all truth come out, in time. We are just at page one, of that final chapter of all kinds of awakenings for many many people.
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[QUOTE who=”ihveit”]<quoted text>
ihv if the wt ever taught JESUS was raised in 1914 i can assure you someone lied to you.. if not please furnish me with a direct quote and reference so i can check it out…
i now ave to woneder if he rose in 1874 or 1914 or 1915 or 1925 or 1976 as to “some” this cant be right cause the all have to believe the same thing .. every one..
will
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There are two Kingdoms

1. God’s Kingdom

and

2. Christ’s Kingdom

Of course had Christ assumed his Kingdom power in 1914 the world would be in 100 years of the “Millennial Kingdom”.

But Christ assumes power in God’s Kingdom first, a basic [progressive] Christian understanding.

In this way there are also TWO “witnessings”, one for each Kingdom.

Christ assumes power in 1914 in God’s Kingdom (Rev4-5) so the seven seals are opened to the understanding of the lamb, BEFORE the era that transpires from 1914.

In 1914 WW1 also erupted to present the 8th Kingdom Kingdom of Anti-Christ, or World Government foundational nucleus, or “image OF the wildbeast”.

In this way the Bible Students and then Jehovah’s witnesses have made the preview cycle of Revelation understood to many, and even the controversy of post 1976 GB led apostasy now merely repeats the same apostate patterns as JWs were exposing in the Christendom corporate whole.

Now when JWs are judged with Bethel apostasy with recovery and purification intent, the “second witness” can come forth a complete the whole Kingdom story properly, or Revelation 10:5-11 decree and commission task of the final witnessing.

But this time Christ will assume Messianic Kingdom TOTAL “Kingdom of the World” power of the seventh trumpet.

And now the preview of Christ temporary Kingship in God’s Kingdom, which he will hand back after the 1000 year Kingdom has achieved that portion of the goal, can now more easily be explained to now derailed and misled JWs, BEFORE World Government also completing, will trigger the TOTAL Christ arrival coming, that that final sovereign rival entity, when complete, will trigger.

Now the post 1914 master pattern is known, for the final fulfillment leading to Christ’s Kingdom arrival.

This helps people understand the whole, quite logically. JWs are not summarizing the story, because they are waiting on the GB “jehovah” fakes, who work for UN NGO world government, so they will not complete the story for people or JWs.

That is why they have to go down, and be exposed in time, first, as part of the final witnessing process.

Same old story.

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People do realize we are ALREADY in space travel correct? We are already here.

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[QUOTE who=”Dogen”]<quoted text>
666 was a reference to the Roman Emperor Nero.
JWs have created more lies than they have uncovered any truths.
In fact the JW cult has not uncovered ANY truths.
The truths you have are all derived from other sources. I dare you to name one that isn’t.
You lose again[/QUOTE]

1. The League of Nations and Revelation 13:11-15. (Daniel 12:11)

A. Placement meaning

B. Its failure

2. United Nations and Revelation 17:8-11

A. Emergence meaning before it arose in 1945

3. “New World Order” exposed as anti-Christian world government.

4. 666

5. “Anti-Christ” principle as world government sector counterfeit of God’s Kingdom.

6. Man of Lawlessness as apostate Christendom.

I mean look at what you think. A dated Rome is all it means? Talk about being well out of the Christian loop as well as modern reality.

Many wandering, by now, Christians have IDd the 666 with the New World Order and League-to-UN agenda for world government. But JWs did it first, because it is our task. (Vindication; 1931) True, JWs did it first, such as exposing the “New World Order” (1926-1942; The New World), but it is so obvious others are now catching on—even non-Christians know what the NWO is now.

Everything came after JW publication, if it even came at all from corporate mainstream Christendom, (or globalist exposing researchers like Myron Fagan and Eustace Mullins, but they have examples of exposure of the European secret societies that may pre-date JW)

(It is MODERN Bethel that exposes no one, they are apostate UN NGO now)

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I dare you to name one that is before JW pubs. Good luck with that.
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You will not answer this post, because there is no earlier reference in Christian history. It is what it is. It is absent from any mainstream theological press, past, present, or future. (They can’t expose their owner)

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[QUOTE who=”Nedoba “]<quoted text>
I have to keep reminding *myself* of how completely duped and deceived I was for 30 very loyal years given to the “ever-changing truths” and phony “new lights” of the WTS. All we can do is to keep showing how much they have disgraced the True Creator and pray that they see the folly of their ways before they waste any more time and energy serving this despicable Org.
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As with Egypt, God will have to crunch Babylon-Bethel to free JWs. Many are too well soldered into the mainframe, so a meltdown will be required to loosen the cerebral circuits stuck in the “Mother Board”.

I know that sounds crazy to JWs, and some others. Except it will occur there first because it has to occur, and Bethel is of a proper scale to make an example of what is to come for more religions in time.

It will not sound crazy when this starts to manifest. And of course a blasphemous apostasy this fresh and this severe, will be found in prophecy, once JWs are freed up to look at prophecy rather than the GB bug-light.

It will actually be Daniel 11:41 as Daniel 8:13-14.

And Daniel 8:13-14 is TIMED and phased for FUTURE PROOF for people naturally doubting it now. It is the final temple judgment cycle.

Mark your calendar when Bethel goes down, and or the JW ministry is cancelled by Bethel, for that so-called “hard hitting judgment message” that will only actually be coming on Bethel, not the world, as JWs are made a laughing stock to help free them from the Bethel “Mother Board”.

WT quote (WT 07/15/2015, pg. 16, par. 9):

9 This will not be the time to preach the “good news of the Kingdom.” That time will have passed. The time for “the end” will have come! (Matthew 24:14) No doubt God’s people will proclaim a hard-hitting judgment message. This may well involve a declaration announcing that Satan’s wicked world is about to come to its complete end.

But that will not be true, instead mark Daniel 8:14 timing just BEGINNING at that time as 1 Peter 4:17.

(1 Peter 4:17) For it is the appointed time for the judgment to START with the house of God.. . .

The Bethel subversion is more serious than many realize [at this time]. But in time the reality will sink in.

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[QUOTE who=”Nedoba “]<quoted text>
The Watchtower way of worship is based upon exclaiming one falsehood after another after another…and then having the flaming audacity to refer to their paper trail of hideous lies…as “truth”. Their pitiful attempts sold as “pure worship” can only be attributed to the father of the lie whom they are led by.

There is no genuine love nor Godly freedom within the Watchtower’s walls……as the rope of strangulation and the suffocation of the freedom of the true heavenly forces is increasing within the channels of WTS leadership.

The more time the WTS teachings are taken seriously by the poor duped ones, the worse this organization’s atrocities have become known. PRAY for those still entrapped by the WTS’ trickery, schemes and wiles, that they will see the REAL light from above that has been urging them to get out of this damaging way of worship.[/QUOTE]

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It will take another stage in divine action, because the overall truth of Bible prophecy is not untrue, it is apostasies like Bethel that reproach the entirety.

So when it does come on Bethel, in global developments also progressing in the US required meltdown phase, as Daniel 11:41 is on Bethel, and Daniel 11:42-43 is on the global “King South” nation-state system of finance, it will later be affirmed as a next stage in prophecy that actually outlines the global final trajectory to WORLD GOVERNMENT.

Now world government may sound impossible or even crazy to some people, but in fact world government is the finale of everything Satan has been up to since Genesis 3 and then Genesis 11.

So it is not “crazy” and it is not “impossible” for an 8th King “King North” to become that “top of the world” as they will become more vocal and unsecretive, once it is 100% irreversible.

Secrecy aided the process, and Bethel is keeping a successful and complete world government requirement of prophecy also a “big secret” from JWs and their audience.

(Daniel 11:36) . . .And he will certainly prove successful until [the] denunciation will have come to a finish. . .

They are successful ALL THE WAY to and after World Government, when the “denunciation” of God completes at Armageddon AFTER they complete world government, which will get more prominent as the US crash cycle “heals” (Rev13:3) into that REQUIRED “ascendant” world government global sovereign entity as per the Revelation 17:8-13 final cycle, that parallels that “crash” “sword stroke” to global “healing” PHASE.

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The US downfall will NOT be “the end”, nor will Bethel’s. The US crash creates the context of recovery into World Government, for real. Time will prove this, in the meantime do not get fooled by the “it’s doomsday” impression in the world, and being promulgated to JWs by Bethel, in lieu of the real truth of the prophecies of Daniel 8:11-14, 23-25, and Daniel 11:40-45.

So there is more going on INSIDE of Bethel (Dan11:32a), as it cannot all be “accidental” but intelligently guided agenda of said world government secrecy.

And that is why Bethel has diverted Daniel 8 and Daniel 11 into a “has been” dead end, so JWs do not look at the prophecies now active in the world and at Bethel.

And take special note of Daniel 11:30-39, and Daniel 8:11-14,23-25. They are a progression from one King North 8th King King of Fierce Countenance PARALLEL (1990; 3rd UN success) to world government WHILE a subversion (Dan8:12) and an APOSTASY is ALSO developing in King North success over the ministry. (Dan11:30b-32a, 32-35);

King North is not just successful for this whole stretch in globalist world takeover, they are ALSO successful IN THE TEMPLE. They also are successful at subverting the ministry, until God is ready for temple judgment. (Dan8:13-14)

AFTER Bethel is downed and “trampled” is when the final truth will come out, because we have several more years before even world government completes.

And world government is the global and prophetic CONVERGENCE of global sovereign rinalry, to a successful completion, that triggers Christ arrival. Which of course is very handy to understand as this unwinds, and as world government in time reveals itself to the whole world, first.

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[QUOTE who=”Nedoba “]
The more time the WTS teachings are taken seriously by the poor duped ones, the worse this organization’s atrocities have become known. PRAY for those still entrapped by the WTS’ trickery, schemes and wiles, that they will see the REAL light from above that has been urging them to get out of this damaging way of worship.[/QUOTE]

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So the point is, it is good to get out now as per Matthew 24:15 of course.

But as with ALL divine actions in history, the judgment that actually forms, will free the JWs because Bethel meltdown will be undeniable.

And with their meltdown from God, timed as Daniel 8:13-14, as full blown Daniel 11:41 events, will ALSO come the FAILURE of the “it’s the end of the world brothers!!!” SMOKESCREEN OF DISTRACTION.

Of course Nedoba, as we can imagine, this is NOT an “overnight affair”, as to JWs coming out of the hype into what is REALLY GOING ON, and what the GB really had been as leaders of apostasy foretold at Daniel 11:32a and Daniel 8:12, in specific to that covered up 1990 3rd United Nations world presentation after the Cold War.

This will take time to sink into scattered JW sheep heads. So as Christians we will need to be patient and understanding to the trance like state modern JW zombies have been put under, under FORTY YEARS of the GB TOTAL DICTATORSHIP.

It will take time, and a miracle in the mind, for JWs to come out of the spell.

And that is exactly what is coming, a miracle of God is what comes with “the morning” of enlightenment of the Daniel 8:14,26 and the “right condition” of purification just starting.

(Daniel 8:26) . . .“And the thing seen concerning the evening and the morning (in Dan8:14), which has been said, it is true. And you, for your part, keep secret the vision, because it is yet for many days.”

“The Morning” phase of enlightening recovery, is from the Bethel “evening” of “trampling” at global scale (Dan8:13-14), as God is who will be sacking that house of lawlessness, FIRST in the process (1Pet4:17), and unaccounted sins, being accounted before all onlookers, by giving Bethel’s “visible organization” of crimes, to the UN powers they adjoined as UN NGO.

Just make a mental note, in time Daniel 8:13-14 will prove it’s own purpose and timing. It is the temple judgment on lawless Bethel as the visible target of what is an anointed Christian global cleansing as anointed Christians are at point global, that ONLY God knows in full detail, and that is who God will be getting through to, to allow the final message to emerge (Rev10-11:1-7) in time.

It emerges over a few years.

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Jot it down, because Daniel 8:13-14 is EXTREMELY IMPORTANT to see now, then, and later. It will NOT fail that prophecy, it NEEDS the “right condition”, the Bethel corpse must be tossed, it cannot be “cleansed”, but Christians can be cleansed by this prophecy spike coming up.

(Zechariah 3:3-5) . . .Now as for Joshua, he happened to be clothed in befouled garments and standing before the angel. 4 Then he answered and said to those standing before him: “Remove the befouled garments from upon him.” And he went on to say to him: “See, I have caused your error to pass away from upon you, and there is a clothing of you with robes of state.” 5 At that I said: “Let them put a clean turban upon his head.” And they proceeded to put the clean turban upon his head and to clothe him with garments; and the angel of Jehovah was standing by.

See that? The “befouled garments” are not “sent to the laundry”, they are TOSSED, for new garments.

And that leads to?

That commission of the final message parallel:

(Zechariah 3:6-7) . . .And the angel of Jehovah began to bear witness to Joshua, saying: 7 “This is what Jehovah of armies has said, ‘IF it is in my ways that you will walk, and IF it is my obligation that you will keep. . .

The big “IFs” form the final ultimatum for the final warning and open salvation ministry that God will “cause” to emerge and go forth:

(Revelation 11:3) . . .And I will cause my two witnesses to prophesy a thousand two hundred and sixty days dressed in sackcloth.”

(Revelation 10:11) . . .And they say to me: “You must prophesy AGAIN with regard to peoples and nations and tongues and many kings.”

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[QUOTE who=”Lordylordy9111″]
Isn’t Alex Rover a fictional character?
144,000 could be a symbolic number but I suspect by the increase could mean the number is far from being sealed.[/QUOTE]

I do not know, on Alex.

But exactly as you state the sealing is not done, and this anomaly is because, imo, God is sending out a small signal, and showing increase in anointed for the purpose of the fall out recovery.

Of course at this time, anointing is God’s business he can carry out anywhere a person has acees to a Bible. It is religions job to corrupt the process, as Bethel is doing by the “hoity toity” impression of the proces, as portrayed by urbanized, highly materialistic, modern corporate CEOs.

Not that modern CEOs could not be called, but that Bethel’s highfalutin’ impression works AGAINST anointing. And them implying to those under their influence “the sealing is done”, also works against anointing.

So Bethel is “set in opposition” to anointing for their materialistic show of visuals and “full time service” as if any of that mattered to God, who is interested in what some one does AFTER the anointing NOT BEFORE, as the case with Paul and Cornelius plainly PROVED.

Bethel is a “Yellow Snow” Job, of an error that has taken on a life of its own, complete with “holy” assumptions that actually work against what God will accomplish in time. In reality as per Matthew 25:1-13, and this whole temple judgment cycle REPEATING in the process, there will be a DEPLETION of anointed—”five foolish virgins” worth, which the Bethel “Evil Slave” HQ IS AIDING.

So imo, God is now showing signal of Him even now gathering newbies to fill the shoes of those who will be tripped up, as aided by the Bethel error. Not saying they will stumble all anointed, but that the corruption they have inspired, and its maturity of a full forty years of BLASPHEMY and ILLEGAL dictatorial override will have affected some attitudes to the point of rejection, or at best a severe call to repentance, given the reality of this severe and contagious apostasy AT BETHELL.

Imo, it is the “GB attitude” that is the worst potential corruption of the whole thing, when coupled with that lax UN NGO “it’s all good”, “joining the UN of Non-Kingdom Organizations is OK” lax attitude too boot. That highfalutin infallible stance, contagious to elders, then to the flock, wrecks true Christian progress, and that is what they have been pumping into JWs for quite some time now.

Some JWs have started to become little “GB Kids”, thinking that whole thing is accepatble to God, as led by the arrogant unapologetic snobs in the GB.

Know any JW snobs? Well the GB aint helping that is for sure. I know snobs develop naturally in the Adamic base flesh, but the JW version is being reinforced by the Governing Body of Presumption.

And after Bethel crashes, God has to make a final call for the final anointings as well:

(Matthew 22:7-10) . . .“But the king grew wrathful, and sent his armies and destroyed those murderers and burned their city. 8 Then he said to his slaves, ‘The marriage feast indeed is ready, but those invited were not worthy. 9 Therefore go to the roads leading out of the city, and anyone you find invite to the marriage feast.’ 10 Accordingly those slaves went out to the roads and gathered together all they found, both wicked and good; and the room for the wedding ceremonies was filled with those reclining at the table.

It seems JWs are instead being cultivated into an example. But of course God will allow a period of repentance for those not too far gone. And since this takes some years, even severly stumbled ones can be picked up by the real “good news” God will form on Bethel’s Pyre of Judgment to help light the way to the real reality the world will be in.

The JW “judgment message” was actually on that house first. (1Pet4:17) It has to become a “Salvation Message”, instead, once again.

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[QUOTE who=”array”]<quoted text>think you misunderstood the article. Those partaking have increased greatly, something the GB did not expect of course the teaching was always that their would be a decrease in the numbers partaking as the end draws closer.

Quickly enter the GB new light, only they are the rightful ones to feed the sheep the rest of the anointed can go take a hike, we wont listen to any input not that they ever did, but I know many didn’t understand how the GB would be the only ones feeding the sheep if all anointed were of the FDS, well they had to do something, so they made it up GB appointed as the only FDS in 1919.
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I have an agenda. Just waiting for some responses.

The anointed numbers will be dropping like a rock, once Bethel is judged, and after. (Matt25:1-13) Dropping by rejection of the “five foolish virgins” which Bethel’s defection now gives evidence of.

That is why God is amping up the numbers, because a decimating judgment is coming that will need more anointed for a period of time leading to the true final anointing.

(And God is not just amping it up in JWs, it will become a final global call for a period in Daniel 8:13-14 “morning” phase of recovery.)

(Matthew 22:7-10) . . .“But the king grew wrathful, and sent his armies and destroyed those murderers and burned their city. 8 Then he said to his slaves, ‘The marriage feast indeed is ready, but those invited were not worthy. 9 Therefore go to the roads leading out of the city, and anyone YOU find invite to the marriage feast.’ 10 Accordingly those slaves went out to the roads and gathered together all they found, both wicked and good; and the room for the wedding ceremonies was filled with those reclining at the table.

The “sealing” for the “remaining ones of her seed” (Rev17:12), in truly completing form, will be in carrying out that final “second witnessing” warning that leads to world government. (Rev10:11; Zech3:6-9)

Under world government is when the “four winds” can then be released (Matt24:31; Rev7), after the final anointing is completed over the final 1260 days (Rev11:2-3), and the final sealing is accomplished by the testing of the final true “remnant” that will complete the fullness of God’s purpose to enable Messianic Kingdom completion (Begins Rev14), hence Christ arrival after world government completes to make that final gathering.

But of course with depleted anointed, more must be called, hence Daniel 8:13-14 significant timing transpires first, and that next; which “morning” is this final enlightenment to emerge from Bethel darkness downfall:

(Matthew 25:6-7) 6 Right in the middle of the night there arose a cry, ‘Here is the bridegroom! Be on YOUR way out to meet him.’ 7 Then all those virgins rose and put their lamps in order.

But only the approved will have the reserved “first witness” original “oil”, and hence the light. That light will bring in the replacements to come in later, to the full, as they are spiking now as well.

(It is the Bridegroom “temple arrival” for temple judgment (Zech3:3-5; Mal3:1-5;), NOT “the end” yet, but the filling of the full anointed number)

The spike in JW anointed numbers is an anomaly of great meaning, in reality.

But of course that article writer is not understanding what is really brewing, yet. But in time many many more will understand once Bethel is “trampled” as Daniel 8:13-14, and their lying obstacle is put out of the way, and exposed globally.

Bethel’s downfall will then, instead, aid the final anointing process to completion, when it is fully explained for the UN King North apostasy it really was. (Dan11:32a), by that time of their total removal. (Isa66:6; Zech3:3-5; Mal3:1-5)

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[QUOTE who=”array”]…but I know many didn’t understand how the GB would be the only ones feeding the sheep if all anointed were of the FDS, well they had to do something, so they made it up GB appointed as the only FDS in 1919.
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That is part of the GB=FDS whole final “lifting themselves over EVERYONE” Blasphemy Package of 2012-2013.

They BLASPHEME and throw to the curb:

1. The first century Christian anointed.

2. The Russell era anointed.

3. And specifically the post 1919 anointed.

They BLASPHEME THE WHOLE THING!

So that?

So they ALONE are “faithful” and “receive all the Lord’s belongings”.

Well in the case of “receiving belongings”, they will rip of JWs and the WTBTS blind, that much is true.

The enemy is in the house, and they are blaspheming as global scale of publicy “showing themselves to be gods” in those claims, as the “sit down” in the terminal form of the apostate tenure of the post 1976 GB entity, now full of King North intel ops, to blaspheme God, Christ and the whole ministry, all anointed, and everyone, before they exit.

That GB=FDS thing is a man of lawlessness required final stunt and signal “in the temple”. (2Thess2:1-4)

They even have the premature “the end of the world brothers” premature delusion in place as 2 Thess2:1-2.

Satan and the demons are in the “Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses” to cap off the blasphemy, as signaled in their 2012 Annual Meeting, “scarlet curtain” back drop Global Stunt.

This is all far realer than many realize.

[QUOTE who=”Lordylordy9111″]<quoted text>
JWs breed snobs. They have no reason to be snobs. Everything comes from God and success comes from God and the GB handed over the sanctuary (Bethel) and the alter (Watchtower), and themselves to the UN (Horus, child of the harlot) worship. I stay far away from it. They will not hide they are spiritual shipwrecked and it is sinking. [/QUOTE]

Looks like Days of Sackcloth await. And Lamentations is the book of this period coming up. The GB is the entity that pinpoints the deviation, in precise detail of their 1944 first muttered term “governing body”.

From there, it was just a matter of time to get to 1976.

From there is was just a matter of time to get to UN NGO 1991, and bypass the 3rd UN event as if it never happened.

(But it was significant enough for the Horus Rising GB to worship as UN NGO)

From there is it just a matter of time to down th whole ship.

It was all three strikes from 1944 first strike in the very “governing body” concept, to sink the ship, which has been the goal from GB day one.

It was a “slow but steady” process.

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[QUOTE who=”DR SOS “]<quoted text>
That youtube link was horrendous . Gave it a shot and the retarded moron narrator was so irritating with his smarmy try hard comments and constant interruptions that I wasted a minute of my life.Another cowardly mentally deficient sicko(reminded me of you and your undesirable personality traits) that stays anonymous as usual.You liked it so you must be sick and if you watched the whole hour and five minutes of it you are psychosis sick.

“Bethel is not telling JWs this, because they are with the UN.”

“Bethel”(WT)is not telling the JWs this because “Bethel”(WT) does not care about the specifics about sandy hook and aren’t going to investigate time and resources into something that is NOT fulfilling their agenda of the preaching work,this will go for every other tragedy that has happened and will happen during the existence of the JWS. Of course you have so much free time to look into this tragedy because obviously you are on SSI or SDD and are milking the system with that long diatribe of psychobabble on your website that repeats the same words over and over again page by page but in different order because you are severely mentally ill and you love to see and hear yourself over and over again.

BETHEL BETHEL BETHEL BETHEL BETHEL………………..I would love to see what your government subsidized apartment looks like,you probably have a Bethel shrine.Sicko[/QUOTE]

I never saw that video, but I know there are now videos about Sandy Hook sub-events, and Sandy Hook characters, like Gene Rosen.

I do not really have time to look into “Everything Sandy Hook”, but I saw enough to know there is not footage of even ONE PERSON leaving that building. No 600 students, no 60 staff and teachers, NO ONE.

I tie modern post 1990 globalization-to-world-government to the “gathering of the nations” to Armageddon (Rev16:13-16 = Rev17:8-13 + Daniel 11:41-45), in a logical manner paralleling propehcy Bethel is mum in regard to, “because they are with the UN.”

How are you getting all the free time to check up on me? LOL

It has to be repeat it in various ways to get a little volume for the Web , because the primary pattern is in 1914-1919, it just REPEATS en route to World Government, which REPEATING PRINCIPLE is also explained, over and over again.

Bethel goes down first (Dan11:41; Dan8:13-14), to aid recognition Revelation 8 has begun in the first few trumpets as the temple judgment (Rev8:3-5), to recovery (Rev9), to final warning (Rev10-11:1-7), to world government (Rev11:7; Rev17:8-13) to Christ arrival (Rev11:11-12), and 7th Trumpet Revelation 11:15-19 conquest.

REPEATING 1914-1919 pattern, is how God makes it easy to understand. Even you understand the basic concept of repeating prophecy, you just doubt that it is true—at this time.

As it actually unfolds for real, of course it will be more and more difficult for you to keep your head in sand that will be washed away. But you may open your eyes to what it REALLY will mean like anyone else, in that Bethel-downfall-US-downfall-to-World-Government-to-Christ-arrival fast tracked process.

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[QUOTE who=”array”]
Its outrageous their claims and so brazen and arrogant, why call themselves the FDS Christ has not yet returned to judge them yet, the whole thing is a man made doctrine nothing else.
Besides how may elders would have taken any notice of an anointed brother and his input if it was different to what the GB teach.

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They are playing God. They are judging themselves ALONE as “faithful” and to receive the Lord’s “belongings”. So they are approving of themselves ALONE before the final judgment cycle.

So it is a blasphemous peak in their folly so far. It is all “lifting themselves over every one” and “sitting down in the Temple of the God (among anointed) SHOWING themselves to be” gods in self approval for their own vain self glorification above all Christians and all the world.

Top of the world, too boot:

So this is a signal blasphemy prior to their being removed from the temple. Not Bethel, the visible epicenter, but to be removed from the anointed Christian claimants, in time fully exposed as UN allies hidden “in the temple” as the signal “man of lawlessness” as they join their Christendom older father with the same UN sponsoring goals,to stall JWs into GB worship, as some JWs do venerate the GB idols, now at stellar proportions.
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[QUOTE who=”Lordylordy9111″]<quoted text>
Gene is a little creepy. The first thoughts of any sane person with six strange children on their lawn is the childrens parents must be worried sick about where their children are and call the police asap. But he didn’t and took them inside his house and had some juice. Do people actually believe him? [/QUOTE]

And a remark of children who just heard an AR15 being fired would definitely mention that. The ever changing intro, yet repetitive wording in multiple other interviews, is evidence of scripting.

And though if this was real it would be a traumatizing event, but why does he always get “re emotional” at the very same places in his dialogue? The minute the “we cannot go back to the school” dialogue comes, then comes the fake shaky voice, and the tearless tears.

But imo the scale of this seeming orchestration seems to suggest the “mind control” thing has to be real in a way beyond even the MK-ULTRA theories. This took a hundred or more actors and “extras”, at all kinds of levels of the societal pyramid, for ONE DECEPTION.

VERY STRANGE. Like “zombies” except far more human in appearance. I think it is more ominous than it appears, because of that level of orchestration. You cannot tell who is who in this thing. It even extends to the White House where they have Emilie Parker, accidentally in Obama’s lap.

WEIRD is what it is. Like “Invasion of the Body Snatchers” except they are actually “among us”, and they seem “perfectly human”, in “human units” with actual social histories—kinda like the cells that have grown in the WTBTS into the GB cloister of intelligent zombies. It seem to be one big act, beyond Sandy Hoax in scope.

This woman’s theory takes in the mass theatrics scope of the event pretty well as she explains her theory on the manner of managing this “event” at multiple levels:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yU5R15Dytds

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http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-witness/TR1NLGLDT54I18U8T/p3#lastPost

[QUOTE who=”pcloadletter”]<quoted text>
On the C.a.r.m. website there is an article about how the 2300 days doesn’t fit the day for a year rule employed by SDA, because of the Hebrew words for “a morning and an evening”- same ones used in Genesis, “are not used to indicate a 24- hr day”. So they say it’s actually 1650 days and 2300 morning and evening sacrifices that are the cutting off of the constant feature. Of course during that “ALL-IMPORTANT” Antiochus Epiphanes episode, which I have a very strong impression is overemphasized.
A. lot.
The SDA King James (fetish?) supposedly had everything off by 100 years. I note 1944 is exactly 100 years after the “Great Disappointment”, AND at the end of a certain 2300 day “era”. I’m not putting any great stock in anything CARM says but interesting to read between the lines.
But it wasn’t an” abomination that desolated” -the “pig altar”.[/QUOTE]

It is good to read around—but to expect that propehcy to begin soon. (on Bethel epicenter, as Daniel 11:41)

I was looking at that prophecy and saw the “Good News” Bible had 1150 days in the footnote, as I was thinking 2300 “days” before that. Both are possibilities as to what an “evening and morning” actually mean and count as.

If an e/m count twice a day, we get 1150 days.

if an e/m is a day, we get 2300 days.

But I believe this prophecy is the most important one of the near future, because the “right condition” of Daniel 8:14, is a temple judgment outcome, due to modern profanations of Daniel 8:12. It is timed as phasing, 1150 days minimum. (imo 1150 days “evening” “trampling”, 1150 days purification, “morning” for total 2300 days; but that is why we need to pay attention in the future, and mark a calendar when Bethel topples in salvo hit 1)

Daniel 8:13-14 Details the Coming Temple Judgment of Jehovah’s Witnesses
http://templelijah.wordpress.com/dan8/daniel-813-14-details-the-coming-temple-judgment-of-jehovahs-witnesses/

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Because it is cryptic, it needs to be paid attention to from the time Bethel WTBTS takes a notable true major corporate hit [in the future], and or, they cancel the JW ministry transforming it into a “hard hitting judgment message” (WT7/15/15), but it’s cancellation is implied as the “end of the world” coming.

But that will not come as soon as JWs have been misled to expect. (2Thess2:1-2)

Now if you want to see how the [GB-1944] actually profanes the sanctuary while applying Daniel 8:14 “purity” to themselves and their supposed “Theocratic Arrangement”, then read this very carefully:

How Daniel 8:12-14 Unright Condition Has Been Developed by the Profane Governing Body Since 1944
https://templelijah.wordpress.com/dan8/how-daniel-812-14-unright-condition-has-been-developed-by-the-profane-governing-body-since-1944/

It is a draft, but you will see what has actually been developing since 1944 upon the very idea of a “governing body” that actually had to be sold to Bethel first (1944), before it could be sold to JWs later and today, who all think it has always been this way since 1884 and the first century.

Well it hasn’t.

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The modern “Pig on the Altar” is Bethel and their new and ILLEGAL Governing Body of Pork Fictions.
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The truth is Daniel 8:13-14 is coming, and UN NGO Bethel profanations of the “unright condition” is why it is coming on them first (Dan11:41; Isa66:6), as a signal of the anointed Christian temple judgment of 1 Peter 4:17, final round starting at that time of Daniel 8:13-14 unfolding as Daniel 11:41, soon.

And ironically their claimed Daniel 8:14 interpretations in 2 rounds of “reorganization” have instead brought the sanctuary into the progressive to total “UNright condition” all the while!

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[QUOTE who=”pcloadletter”]<quoted text>
On the C.a.r.m. website..[/QUOTE]

The ILLUSION that has slipped by JWs is as if the “governing body” is something unique to JWs:

*** w67 9/15 p. 563 par. 12 Recognizing the Part Played by Jehovah’s Organization ***

You noticed early in your association that the congregation had appointed servants who ministered to the needs of the congregation. Before they were appointed by the governing body, they had to measure up to Bible standards for overseers and ministerial assistants. (1 Tim. 3:1-10, 12, 13) They were not bosses; neither did they expect nor want the adulation of those whom they served. None were paid for their willing service in behalf of their brothers.

>>>How different from the leaders in the many sects of Christendom!<<<

These busied themselves with preparation of meetings, discourses and schedules of work. They took the initiative in providing a reasonable place to meet and the supplies for carrying on the preaching work. Necessary records were kept and checked to see how the congregation was doing collectively and whether any individual needed some special help from mature ones in some way. The sick and infirm were visited and ministered to as needed.—John 13:12-17; Heb. 13:7.

[Yet how much the same! Christendom has been using a “governing body” technique from incept!]

But it seems that truth stopped being mentioned after 1944.

*** w56 11/1 p. 666 par. 13 Turn to the New World Society ***

Does Christ Jesus come to earth and make appointments of the individual ministerial servants, overseers and assistants and other such ministers throughout the congregations in the earth? No. Then how are such appointments made? They are made by the visible governing body associated with the legal agency or Society, which in 1884 witnesses of Jehovah incorporated for that purpose, now named Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania. They are theocratic because they act in accordance with the great Theocrat’s written Word and with the model organization of the early Christian church or congregation as launched by Christ Jesus. “Farfetched,” do some say? But let those who contend that Jehovah’s witnesses are not a theocratic organization point out wherein they are not. In word and in deed, in doctrine, organization and practice, the New World society endeavors sincerely to conform to the Word of Jehovah God and to insist on its principles, and therefore it is a Scriptural, Christian, theocratic or God-directed organization. It is through his Word that Jehovah expresses his mind to his people.

>>>There is no other organization in Christendom that conforms to the Bible pattern or model. Only the New World society of Jehovah’s witnesses insists that those within its ranks do conform to the Scriptural pattern in matters both personal and congregational. This theocratic control and direction is not over all men; it is not even over all who may come in contact with it, or may be associated with the congregations of Jehovah’s witnesses, or attend their meetings. An individual must willingly submit or bring himself under the beneficent control by his personal dedication to Jehovah God; and so the theocratic control and direction is only over dedicated ones.

But the fact is the “model” of the “governing body” concept and use of such a “synod”, “council”, “board” etc, has been exactly how Christendom was led off course, and it is why JWs are also now in the same predicament, because they ALL use the same “steering committee”.

Very interesting how introducing this ILLUSION early enough in JWs, 1944, by error of overall implications, meaning it could have has good intentions, has now backfired into but another WTBTS “papacy” that has stalled the ministry and diverted it into UN NGO interests of silence on the UN prophecies since after 1990.

The “Governing Body” is what has “slipped in”.

(Jude 3-4) . . .Beloved ones, though I was making every effort to write YOU about the salvation we hold in common, I found it necessary to write YOU to exhort YOU to put up a hard fight for the faith that was once for all time delivered to the holy ones. 4 My reason is that certain men have slipped in who have long ago been appointed by the Scriptures to this judgment, ungodly men, turning the undeserved kindness of our God into an excuse for loose conduct and proving false to our only Owner and Lord, Jesus Christ.

*** w2013 7/15 p. 22 par. 10 Who Really Is the Faithful and Discreet Slave? ***

Who, then, is the faithful and discreet slave? In keeping with Jesus’ pattern of feeding many through the hands of a few, that slave is made up of a small group of anointed brothers who are directly involved in preparing and dispensing spiritual food during Christ’s presence. Throughout the last days, the anointed brothers who make up the faithful slave have served together at headquarters. In recent decades, that slave has been closely identified with the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses.

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It was heading the wrong way very quickly:

(Galatians 1:6) . . .I marvel that you are being so quickly removed from the One who called you with Christ’s undeserved kindness over to another sort of good news.

*** w52 3/1 p. 142 Propriety of Disfellowshiping ***REINSTATEMENT

19 Can a disfellowshiped person be reinstated, get back into the organization? Yes, he can if he repents. But he has to go farther than that. He must be converted. He must change his whole course of action. It is not just a matter of saying: “I’m sorry I did it; I was wrong.” He has to prove that he is willing to take an altogether different course of life than that which he had taken. He should make an open confession of his sins and

>>>ask forgiveness of the committee<<<

that drew up the resolution to disfellowship him. He should go to the persons concerned, admit his wrong, and point out to them what he is doing and what he is going to do in order to be reinstated.

*** w52 3/1 pp. 144-145 par. 27 Propriety of Disfellowshiping ***

Those who are stubborn, hardhearted, those who are going to have all the things they want their way, and that in addition to being in the congregation of God, these are the ones that have to be disfellowshiped and put away, because they are going to make the congregation unclean. But the one that comes with a contrite heart and confesses to a brother about his wrongdoing, there is no reason to whip him anymore. He has opened his heart, he has let you look at it and he wants help. If the Society removes a pioneer because of wrongdoing and the Society is the one agency that knows about the wrongdoing of the individual, there is no reason for the Society then to notify the company and have that company disfellowship that person, not if that person has confessed his sin

>>>and asked for forgiveness from the Society.<<<

Then that one can go on his way. The Society would probably put restrictions or bounds around that individual because of the course of action he has taken. By way of punishment it may take him off the pioneer list for six months or maybe a year, according to what that individual had done that would bring reproach to God’s name. But as long as that one has confessed his sin and asked for forgiveness, then the Society can help that one to get back in the right road and continue to be a servant of the Lord. If the action does not affect a company or other individual in it, there is no reason to make any notification or public announcement of it.

So truly the “weeds” were active during the whole post 1940s period, and have now totally ruined the “good news” which Jehovah’s witnesses were at one time entrusted to be stewards of, for a worship of men, and their flock control devices like modern shunning overkill.

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1944 GB Birthday

*** Watchtower 1971 12/15 pp. 755-756 A Governing Body as Different from a Legal Corporation ***

“”The official magazine of Jehovah’s Christian witnesses is The Watchtower Announcing Jehovah’s Kingdom. In the year 1944 the Watchtower magazine BEGAN TO SPEAK about the governing body of the Christian congregation.””

1940s

*** Let God Be True 1946; ch. 17 ***

“”In 1884 the legal servant body of this international association was incorporated under Pennsylvania law. That non-profit corporation, Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, and the governing body of Jehovah’s witnesses have been inseparably associated ever since.””

*** Theocratic Aid To Kingdom Publishers 1945 p. 299 Lesson 76 ***

The Rise of the Roman Catholic Hierarchy

“”The organization and development of the Roman Catholic Hierarchy dates from the time of the launching of fusion religion by the Roman emperor Constantine in A.D. 325. It does not date from nor have its source in the original governing body of the apostles. All such claims to apostolic succession and origin are false, and the Hierarchy’s structure is grossly contrary to the original Theocratic organization as established by Christ Jesus.””

*** Organizations Instructions For the Kingdom Publisher Effective October 1, 1945 ***

“”For dispensing this knowledge to the spiritually hungry ones Christ Jesus, on coming to the temple for judgment in 1918, appointed a tried “faithful and wise servant”. (Matt. 24: 45-47) This servant is “The Society”, that is to say, the association of all the remnant of Christ’s anointed body members, which association acts through its visible governing body under Christ Jesus, the Head of the “servant” or “Society”. The Society is Theocratic, because subject to its Head Christ Jesus and guided by the spirit which Jehovah God poured out upon it by Christ Jesus, and also because it acts and decides through its visible governing body. (Col. 1:18; Acts 2: 17, 18) The Society is the visible part of Jehovah’s Theocratic organization under Christ Jesus, and the Lord’s “other sheep” take refuge under that Theocratic organization and are subject to it. They assist in the work of the visible part of the organization, in proper submission thereto. (Isa. 61: 5, 6) Recognizing the forward movement of Jehovah’s Theocratic organization, his faithful servants upon the earth want to keep apace with it by making greater proclamation of the glorious Kingdom by letting their light shine. — Matt. 5: 14-16, A.S.V.””

*** Watchtower 1982 9/15 p. 17 par. 20 The Kingdom and “a Holy Place” ***

“To that end, a rearrangement of the work and governing structure of Jehovah’s Witnesses was initiated in 1944.”

*** Watchtower 2013; 7/15 pg. 18, par. 12 ***

“”The channel he used for spiritual feeding was clearly recognizable. After all, the apostles—the original members of the governing body—could provide visible proof of heavenly backing.””

Done Deal 1976: 1944 to 1976 Places the Governing Body as the “Theocracy”

*** Proclaimers chap. 9 p. 109 Jehovah’s Word Keeps Moving Speedily (1976-1992) ***

Starting January 1, 1976, all the activities of the Watch Tower Society and of the congregations of Jehovah’s Witnesses around the earth had been brought under the supervision of six administrative committees of the Governing Body. In harmony with that arrangement, on February 1, 1976, changes had been put into effect in all branch offices of the Society around the earth. No longer was each branch supervised by one branch overseer, but three or more mature men served as a Branch Committee, with one member serving as the permanent coordinator. After the committees had been operating for some months, the Governing Body observed: “It has proved beneficial to have a number of brothers taking counsel together to consider the interests of the Kingdom work.

*** Watchtower 2015; 7/15 p. 9 par. 14 Work to Enhance the Spiritual Paradise ***

14, 15. What organizational adjustments were made in the 1970’s, and how have they proved beneficial?

14 Over the years, the older ones in our midst have personally experienced some of the organizational adjustments that have increased the beauty of the earthly part of Jehovah’s organization. They remember when congregations had a congregation servant rather than a body of elders, when countries had a branch servant rather than a Branch Committee, and when direction was given by the president of the Watch Tower Society rather than by a clearly established Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Although all these devoted brothers were supported by faithful assistants, one person was basically responsible for making decisions in the congregations, at the branch offices, and at world headquarters. During the 1970’s, adjustments were made to put the responsibility for oversight on groups of elders rather than on individuals.

15 Have these adjustments proved beneficial?

Yes, and logically so. Why? Because the adjustments were based on increased knowledge about the pattern set in the Scriptures. Instead of having the influence of one individual dominate, the composite good qualities of all the “gifts in men” whom Jehovah has provided benefit the organization.—Eph. 4:8; Prov. 24:6.

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Bethel GB “Episcopate”

*** Watchtower 2015; 7/15 p. 9 par. 14 Work to Enhance the Spiritual Paradise ***

14, 15. What organizational adjustments were made in the 1970’s, and how have they proved beneficial?

14 Over the years, the older ones in our midst have personally experienced some of the organizational adjustments that have increased the beauty of the earthly part of Jehovah’s organization. They remember when congregations had a congregation servant rather than a body of elders, when countries had a branch servant rather than a Branch Committee, and when direction was given by the president of the Watch Tower Society rather than by a clearly established Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Although all these devoted brothers were supported by faithful assistants, one person was basically responsible for making decisions in the congregations, at the branch offices, and at world headquarters. During the 1970’s, adjustments were made to put the responsibility for oversight on groups of elders rather than on individuals.

15 Have these adjustments proved beneficial?

Yes, and logically so. Why? Because the adjustments were based on increased knowledge about the pattern set in the Scriptures. Instead of having the influence of one individual dominate, the composite good qualities of all the “gifts in men” whom Jehovah has provided benefit the organization.—Eph. 4:8; Prov. 24:6.

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BUT has it all REALLY “proved beneficial” for JWs, the ministry and everyone ever associated with JWs and Bethel?
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NO NO NO! The opposite, it is full GB and UN NGO serving apostasy now. In just 70 years overall, and 40 years of “GB Rule”.

“increased knowledge about the pattern set in the Scriptures”.

What “pattern”? The “governing body” pattern is as old as the Christendom hills:

Pulpit Commentary (Acts 15:2)

“”The apostles and elders. This phrase marks the constitution of the governing part of the Church of Jerusalem.””

Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges (Acts 15:2)

“”These with the elders appear now as the governing body of the infant church.””

http://biblehub.com/commentaries/acts/15-2.htm

“”In the beginning of Christendom, early Christianity was a religion spread in the Greek/Roman world and beyond as a 1st-century Jewish sect, which historians refer to as Jewish Christianity. It may be divided into two distinct phases: the apostolic period, when the first apostles were alive and organizing the Church, and the post-apostolic period, when an early episcopal structure developed, whereby bishoprics were governed by bishops (overseers).””

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christendom#Early_Christendom

“”The episcopate is the collective body of all the bishops of a church.””

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_episcopate

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Thus what did slip in was the “governing body” error itself, that the Christendom “hierarchy” has been using for centuries.

Thus Bethel employs a modified version of cloaking terms and misapplied prophecy wrappers, with a quick diversion to “Christendom’s clergy apostasy” when the “clergy” is defined by the same “governing body” concept, with the same false claims as Bethel. Yet all of it is just more mere claims of Bethel’s “Governing Body’s” own dictatorial development, with the very same basic justification concealing it all in both the Catholic and Bethel systems, which is what formed into Bethel’s “clergy” distraction, when Bethel is now the same hierarchical clergy under a different naming and “theocratic” rationale cover—same thing, same subversion reached today.

Except Bethel also uses prophecy to parallel their hierarchy’s justification, and has had a massive momentum of modern truth in which to couch their error to modern lie development (2Thess2:11-12) based on an original error in much the same manner, and by the same “governing body” “pattern” device, as Christendom’s own prior devolution into apostasy and compounding error.

Ultimately it is now completely the same thing.

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What we have is a “gradually given over” subversion of the JW ministry, based on a first “error” in the GB thing:

From Simple Error to Full Blown LIE. How?
https://jwupdate.wordpress.com/2015/08/07/from-simple-error-to-full-blown-lie-how/

Which led to a focus on pre 1945 events, in two valid UN placements exposed as prophecy, UN 1-2, BUT NOW a silence on modern UN world government formation after 1945, and specifically the 3rd UN event of 1990 as prophecy:

Definition of Apostate: Bethel
https://jwupdate.wordpress.com/2015/06/12/definition-of-apostate/

So Fred Franz was summarizing the whole 1914-1945 UN 1-2 era, all the way to his death as that 3rd UN event, UN 1-2-3, was then silenced and joined as UN NGO:

1969—The JW Peak of Spiritual Enlightenment: Revelation Complete
https://jwupdate.wordpress.com/2015/06/26/1969-the-jw-peak-of-spiritual-enlightenment-revelation-complete/

So modern JWs under control of the GB, have not explained anything of any post 1945 globalization and world government formation significance since after 1945. And it all peaked in 1969, but was already well on the way to a total GB dictatorship in 1976, to ensure NO ONE in the JW ministry up dates UN prophecy to modern times after 1945, and that NO ONE connects that 3rd UN event to prophecy in 1990, UN 1-2-3.

Now UN 1-2-3 is unknown to JWs, so UN 1-2-3-4 to World Government will also now be unknown and covered up by this subverted JW GB ministry.

The GB works for UN interests. (Dan11:32a)

That is why these prophecies are also unexplained properly, and also bypassed and covered up:

(Daniel 11:32) “And those who are acting wickedly against [the] covenant (at Bethel), he (8th King/King North) will lead into apostasy by means of smooth words. (The Bethel “smooth words” 8th King cover-up in the JW publications is part of the smoothly justified apostasy);

(Daniel 11:32) “And those who are acting wickedly against [the] covenant (at Bethel), he (8th King/King North) will lead into apostasy by means of smooth words. (The Bethel “smooth words” 8th King cover-up in the JW publications is part of the smoothly justified apostasy);

(Daniel 8:12) 12 And an (JW worldwide) army itself was GRADUALLY GIVEN OVER (to 8th King infiltrative control)

together with the constant [feature] (imbibed with misinformation), because of transgression; (UN NGO and other sins permits allowance of the compromise by removed divine blessing and discernment while fulfillment of prophecy is effected for greater future purpose);  

and it kept throwing truth to the earth (cover up, disinformation)

and it acted and had success. (Dan11:30 “act effectively” completely successful unlike anything World War 2 produced in ultimate failure when compared to this 8th King engineered intelligence and subversion operation deployed through the Governing Body and installed Bethel agents);

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[QUOTE who=”DR SOS”]<quoted text>
So you are a self proclaimed JW. One who gets involved with conspiracy theories and has ZERO compassion for little children that have been murdered in a school shooting.
Nah you ain’t a JW,Just a Scum bag poser that is an apostate hidden within the Congregation.
Don’t worry even though the elders can’t see you because you hide Jehovah can see you.[/QUOTE]

The “elders” have been transformed since 1944 into a lower tier of the Bethel Pyramid they retained in the development of the GB Hierarchy system of control. The GB is the “all seeing eye” of “new light” that is NO LIGHT and no UN development exposure since 1945.

So the Bethel apostate condition, completely documented since 1944 takeover, renders the elders inconsequential, but only partisan to the takeover of the “JW Nations”.

Bethel’s God replacing hierarchy of illegal Masonic priests is what will soon be under a “trampling” decree of Daniel 8:13-14.

At this time Bethel applies Daniel 8:14 “right condition” to the effect of this GB Pyramid works, which is a blasphemy. But most JWs do not understand Daniel 8:13-14 as taught by Bethel, they keep it off the radar as Bethel is now the Egyptian Masonic Pyramid capping tier, with their “all seeing eye” GB frauds misleading JWs into the UN Pantheon of “Non-Kingdom” Organizations, but another pinnacle blasphemy now in place in JW UN ministry.

Most JWs are oblivious, the elders are moot, as is the GB, in God’s eyes. Now they are beign progressively exposed to expulsion by God. And Daniel 11:41 actions to emerge as Daniel 8:13-14 Temple Judgment detail, will be of “Prophetic Proportions”, because this Bethel based activity is of enormous spiritual scope.

The only way to free JWs, is to sack Bethel’s Egyptian Thebes system of Satanic Masonic Hierarchy, which the GB is the “Pharaoh” of for the King North World Government global developers as per Daniel 11:32a.

It is a JW takeover attempt. All based on post 1944 “re-organization”.

*** Watchtower 1982 9/15 p. 17 par. 20 The Kingdom and “a Holy Place” ***

“To that end, a rearrangement of the work and governing structure of Jehovah’s Witnesses was initiated in 1944.”

http://e-jw.org/showthread.php?1734-1944%97Happy-Birthday-Governing-Body!

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Good points.

In a way 70 CE “the end” did not come under a period marked by “wars and reports of wars”. Rather the end of the Jerusalem “a system of things” (Matt13:36-42) came in 70 CE, during the Roman parallel of regional Roman “peace and security” of the Pax Romana just getting fully founded.

The future parallel seems to imply 8th King world government will assume a similar “Pax World Government” (1Thess5:1-3), well after this upcoming phase of final “wars and reports of wars” (Matt24:6; Rev13:3 “sword stroke”) and “disorders” (Luke21:9) phase “heals” into world government. (Rev13:3; Rev17:8-13)

Thus at a UN “world peace” period, for real, under full World Government, is a “day” one “does not expect” principle. And likewise, as long as global wars and disorders persist prior to that time, “the end” will not arrive at that time as per Matthew 24:6, Luke 21:9. A great hint, which criteria must be met [in the future] period, guaranteed, and it seems instead to actually have a first century valid parallel in the Pax Romana period of that time.

http://meletivivlon.com/2015/05/07/wars-and-reports-of-wars/

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Catherine is interesting because she shows the key years, legislation and organs of this 40 trillion dollar transfer to the “Breakaway Civilization”, aka, New World Order.

This one shows the same thing, but in another well outlined manner:

When Central Banks Rule the World

Those are both good videos because they OUTLINE the process and years and legislation and entities by which this is carried out.
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It all starts in the WTBTS in 1944, after Rutherford died in 1942.

1944: Happy Birthday Governing Body!
http://e-jw.org/showthread.php?1734-1944%97Happy-Birthday-Governing-Body!

The Governing Body Experiment—1944 to Present
https://jwupdate.wordpress.com/2015/08/23/the-governing-body-experiment-1944-to-present/

And how the “theocratic organization” cloaking parallels of Daniel 8:14 twisting, has built the “organizational structure” the parallel 1944-1976 GB Dictators assumed in 1976 to UN NGO 1991 in short order:

How Daniel 8:12-14 “UN-Right Condition” Has Been Developed by the Profane Governing Body Since 1944
https://templelijah.wordpress.com/dan8/how-daniel-812-14-unright-condition-has-been-developed-by-the-profane-governing-body-since-1944/

All this left is the WTBTS total coup itself.

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[QUOTE who=”Gorby”]Today I watched with my lovely wife the first 5 minutes of tv.jw.org broadcasting with the explanation of “this generation”.
And then we discussed about the 400 million dollar in the JP Morgan Liquid Asset Funds and the new finding, the
40 million dollar in a hedge fund at the Cayman Islands. And the expected 1 billion dollar sale of property in Brooklyn.
This al combined with the earlier broadcasting about the need of money that the Society now has.
We concluded today, that the Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society of Pennsylvania is a shell company like Bendini,
Lambert & Locke, for a Morolto kind of family.
You can say it is not true, but watch the GB members on broadcasting. They have the same faces like The Firm employees. You can see, they don’t believe what they say. They know they tell lies and frauds.
And now, with the Caymans connection, my feeling about our GB has come true.
How awful is their childys explanation of “This Generation”. They think the rank-and-file are idiots. And yes, the followers are stupid and naive. I was stupid and naive. 4 generations of my family were stupid and naive. That’s what a shell company needs. Loyal and naive employees.
Let me know what you think about it.
Gorby[/QUOTE]

Well no wonder Fred Franz said he was just waiting to see what would happen. Now we know what happened, and why Fred was ill at ease with the GB stunt of 1976:

No wonder Fred Franz had this to say in 1979, about the Governing Body coup of 1976:

Fred Franz “”went on to say that he had not been in favor of the change then and that from that point forward he had “just been watching” to see what would result.”” … “I never had in mind what the Governing Body wants to do now.” in regard to the 1976 full dictatorial GB stunt.

(Crisis of CONSCIENCE; Ch. 4)

Now one can read BETWEEN the lines of this 1975 Fred Franz talk, and know what Fred was getting at:

Fred Franz Slams Governing Body – Gilead Graduation Talk 1975

https://templelijah.wordpress.com/fred-franz-files/brother-fred-franz-condemns-the-rogue-governing-body-of-jehovahs-witnesses/

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[QUOTE who=”Gorby”]Today I watched with my lovely wife the first 5 minutes of tv.jw.org broadcasting with the explanation of “this generation”.
And then we discussed about the 400 million dollar in the JP Morgan Liquid Asset Funds and the new finding, the
40 million dollar in a hedge fund at the Cayman Islands. And the expected 1 billion dollar sale of property in Brooklyn.
This al combined with the earlier broadcasting about the need of money that the Society now has.
We concluded today, that the Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society of Pennsylvania is a shell company like Bendini,
Lambert & Locke, for a Morolto kind of family.

Gorby[/QUOTE]

Jordan Maxwell just divulged a little banking information similar to what you are saying here:

Jehovah’s Witnesses Exposed! Jordan Maxwell and Santos Bonacci

But I believe early Jehovah’s witnesses were expounding the truth about the UN world government development, and that this takeover is imperative to silence the 1990 3rd UN prophecy and the the future world government prophecy by use of this type of subversion and takeover development.

They went UN NGO, when they needed to be explaining that 3rd UN event, was a prophecy and a continuation of the first two UN events, UN 1–2-3, en route to UN 1-2-3-4 as World Government of the future. Rutherford made sure that the first two UN events were spanned and explained properly.

After Rutherford died is when they started to over focus on the past first two UN events, to help ignore the 1990 3rd UN event, that they instead joined as UN NGO global proclaiming members of the United Nations of Non-Kingdom Organizations. Even saying they were “non-governmental”, not even Kingdom ambassadors of God’s Messianic Kingdom of Christ any longer.

Of course a stunt of apostasy this severe will be in propehcy, at the time of that covered up 3rd UN prophecy event. (Dan11:30-32a; Dan8:11-14,23)

And as per Daniel 8:12 “throwing truth to the ground”, they cover up the key Daniel 8 and 11 real “King North” world government developments.

And God will let them rob the place blind, to also fulfill more propehcy to come.

(Ezekiel 7:22) . . .“‘And I shall have to turn away my face from them, and they will actually profane my concealed place, and into it robbers will really come and profane it.

(Lamentations 5:1-3) . . .Remember, O Jehovah, what has happened to us. Do look and see our reproach.  2 Our own hereditary possession has been turned over to strangers, our houses to foreigners.  3 We have become mere orphans without a father. . . .

We Jehovah’s witnesses will soon LIVE the above sackcloth dress code, to come.

It is the only way JWs can now be freed from a New Bondage of Bethel. Broke and Kingdom Halless but free!

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I am finally starting to “see” it Catherine’s way. If they want “slow burn” it will be slow burn. If they want “crash” it will be controlled and to the extent they engineer which their setup is allowing.

And that is why they shifted 40 trillion, in the US sector, and there are others. And that allows a fully controlled, even “virtual reality” networked digital system implemented financial transition scenario to NWO “Breakaway Civilization” basis of the new system.

They can override the auto-pilot, and control every last digital symbolic of this virtualized wealth control game. How it pans out is however they designed it to pan out, to keep control of the chaos, while selling the global “chaos” at enough degree to offer their “order” as the Mr. “Global solution”. e.g. World Government.
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Let’s see what has been going on on the JW Bethel fast track:

1. UN NGO 3rd UN placement continued cover up from 1990, for “King North” mystery. (Dan11:30-32a)

2. We alone are “faithful slave” 2012 stunt of self glorification as prophecy marker. (2Thess2:1-2)

3. Constant liquidation acceleration since 2010, branches and luxury real estate; NY examples, but global in extent.

4. Strange re-organizational structure for congregational and circuit control.

5. Stripping congregations of their “savings” and daisy chaining them to the corporate Bethel ball and chain.

6. Big “new Bible” and “JW Media” total distraction of bells and whistles.

(Now though, the ridiculous JW Media is backfiring, many JWs now see the GB Clowns for what they are.)

7. Renewed begging amidst typical guilt tripping amidst an amped up “the end” “soon very soon” “obey as crazy as it sounds” hype fest.

8. Gog “coalition” conveniently set up to align with King North Russia decoy lead. Now a 1-2-3 “the end” formula.

9. Global tsunami of lawsuits, class actions, and legal examinations gearing up for Bethel’s private corporate “judicial” system which attempts to override the law of the land for real criminal activity, amidst rampant harboring of pedophiles at global scale, well documented in public record.

Anyone with half a JW neuron left can “read the writing on the wall” in that kind of preparation for Bethel crash, sold to JWs as “it is the end brothers!”.

But it will be Bethel’s GB based apostasy end, that they will try to sell to JWs as “the end”, as the 7th King system goes into financial transition into the 8th King “New World Order” World Government new global financial system.

JWs will not have know 8th King World Government comes after 7th King crash (Dan11:42-43), because Bethel has been fully bypassing the real King North world government development since they joined it in 1990 as UN NGO.

From the smoke and ruins of Bethel’s corporate abomination (Matt24:15 as Dan11:41), JWs will have much to “catch up on” as the “new light” will actually be blinding (Dan8:14 “morning”) to the modern JW cave dwellers trapped in the modern apostate Bethel dungeon.

The “big picture” is Bethel is the foretold final apostasy (Dan11:32a, Dan8:12) that “throws the truth [of world government] to the earth”, while adjoining the JW ministry to it as UN NGO, to ensure a divine “trampling” allowance, as instead that well JW concealed world government is what will also arise from the 7th King required downfall global crisis (Dan11:42-43) “tribulation of those days”, “sword stroke” to “healing” formula (Rev13:4), again, all conveniently ignored by UN Bethel.

THAT is why they are put down first (1Pet4:17; Dan8:13-14), timed and phased as the final temple judgment cycle, with enough time to recover the final warning.

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[QUOTE who=”Purgamom”]<quoted text>
take in deeply because not to be found elsewhere?
Obviously Tim couldn’t have cared less about “the truthful portions”.
Why would anyone who DID care assume they had anything to say that he would understand?
NEWS FLASH : HE’S AN ATHEIST !
Is there anything more important you could talk about with him, besides your evidence-free WT accusatories?
[/QUOTE]

What are you sputtering about?

JWs had the most progressive Christian ministry since Luther pounded nails into the Vatican corpse. JWs FINISHED the “Reformation Wave” that everyone else re-sold out to the Catholics and also forgot what they were doing like JWs of modern note.

The JW clarifications of Russell era are MONUMENTAL CHRISTIAN TRUTH! They blew Christendom’s farce out of the water, the whole lake evaporated.

Rutherford exposed the “new world order” before Alex Jones father was born! Then early JWs exposed the 8th King development side by side with the 1914 Kingdom of God PROCLAMATION we are still talking about here.

THAT is called WATERSHED TRUE CHRISTIANITY EARTHQUAKE OF GLOBAL PROPORTIONS! THE TRUTH!

That is why JWs were derailed by the GB farce after Rutherford died, and soon devolved into a UN NGO farce just like Christendom. Bethel SOLD OUT fully after 1944, in 1990, but they have a DAMN GOOD START!

Now Bethel will be boot healed in temple judgment by God and Christ, and what they have aborted will be reconnected UN 1-2, to UN1-2-3-4 and WORLD GOVERNMENT.

The core MIRACLE OF A MINITSRY can and WILL be recovered however God may do it, to make the full UN 1-2-3-4 connection, which UN NGO Bethel severs, unto full 8th Kign World Government to emerge from the 7th King crash cycle, as Bethel will crash (Dan11:41) into the start of the global wave called the “tribulation of those days”. (Dan11:42-43)

So if you think Jehovah’s witnesses have “no truth”, you have not been paying attention. And more is coming after this severe chastisement and full exposure from God, in the Betehl “trampling” of Daniel 8:13-14, timed for future proof.

1944: The Governing Body Subverting Development
https://templelijah.wordpress.com/dan8/how-daniel-812-14-unright-condition-has-been-developed-by-the-profane-governing-body-since-1944/

1944: The Governing Body Birthday
http://e-jw.org/showthread.php?1734-1944%97Happy-Birthday-Governing-Body!

The Governing Body Experiment—1944 to Present
https://jwupdate.wordpress.com/2015/08/23/the-governing-body-experiment-1944-to-present/

The 1944 based “Governing Body Show”, and their UN allaince, is what is the problem. Their days are numbered, literally. (Dan8:14)

From here on out it is advised you start to pay attention. You will know when Bethel is being “trampled”. (Dan11:41; Dan8:13-14; Rev8)

SOON.

But it drags on a few years as does the global trajectory to World Government.

World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

That is the basic meaning Apostate Bethell is concealing. But not for long.

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[QUOTE who=”Aneirin”]<quoted text>
Unless you can PROVE they are stealing money, then YOU are the one telling lies.
Without proof, as accusation is called “slander”.
And you know whose name means “slanderer” don’t you?[/QUOTE]

This is the human condition we are dealing with. The final apostasy of prophecy forms the start of the final cycle to all the things Bethel is also not explaining, such as 7th King fall required for 8th King rise easily provable by even Bible students studying the simple seven chapters in Daniel and Revelation that OUTLINE that fact.

This is because Christ will arrive on a COMPLETE World Government that will have healed the coming sword stroke. (Rev13:3) And emerged from the “abyss” of this coming global crisis period (Rev17:8-13), a crisis problem that resolves into the world government solution.

Just like the apostasy principle repeats, the whole final cycle repeats the same principles in Rev 13 and 17, except to full world government.

Now people understanding this guaranteed progress in global milestones, can understand the world government emergence they will be seeing, is like a milepost to Christ arrival.

Bethel will not explain these simple truths, because Bethel is given over to the UN NGO enemy system objective, and must have an exit plan. So they sell JWs the premature “the end of the world brothers!” delusion to smokescreen the temple judgment “trampling” of Daniel 11:41 and Daniel 8:13-14, AS IF their apostate end, is “the end”.

It is so easy to see what those stalled fakes are doing it is not even funny. And prophecy is who foretells them at Daniel 11:30-32 and Daniel 8:12, when we understand AFTER WW2 is when all that matured to the 3rd UN event, UN 1-2-3, in 1990 as Daniel 11:31b and Dan8:23.

And lo and behold, Bethel apostasy, as marked by their UN NGO, just so happens to form in the same prophecies! that they cover up for WW2 era fictions derived after 1982 to sell Daniel 8:14 to JWs as if “watchtower charter adjustments” forming a GB dictatorship, is how the “sanctuary” is “brought into the right condition”.

The opposite is the truth. Since 1944 those changes have installed the wrong condition into the JW ministry, with a controlling GB device to ensure it is all stalled and derailed, or else. Any JW saying something to the effect above, is dismissed as Bethel uses the disfellowshiping device overkill and shunning to protect their controlling position, and to minimize all feedback from the outcasts.

Them stealing money is in prophecy in numerous locations of “cave of robbers” principle parallels like Ezekiel 7:22. They are not going to tell JWs it is in contraction, actually below 7 million JWs, and they are fast track liquidating down to the real numbers prior to the Bethel invasion of Daniel 11:41 and Dan8:13-14. Which required “trampling” they will sell to JWs as Daniel 11:44 “the end” sequence.

But it will not be the end, it will be the start of the final cycle as per 1Peter 4:17, and in time all of the above will come out from God as the “lawless one” is fully revealed at Bethel to kick off this phase to world government in which the real news must emerge in time to warn humanity.

Make a mental note.
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[QUOTE who=”Gorby”]
How awful is their childys explanation of “This Generation”. They think the rank-and-file are idiots. And yes, the followers are stupid and naive. I was stupid and naive. 4 generations of my family were stupid and naive. That’s what a shell company needs. Loyal and naive employees.
Let me know what you think about it.
Gorby[/QUOTE]

Gorby,

This is a rare thread, so please document more information you know about the WTBTS Pyramid of Corporations, and anything in the Labyrinth of the Den of GB Thieves you know of.

Because Bethel is the last point of Christian progress now stalled and in a Bethell Haunted House of Smoke and Mirrors (Dan8:12b), and because they are of the proper scale, God will most definitely in time jack up their Apostasy Works, and continue enough exposure of the true nature of the GB Beast Boys to foretold completion. (Dan11:32-35; 2Thess2:1-12)

So any other information in the direction of the exposure of the tell tale and more obvious signs of WTBTS Corporate Takeover activity the better, if you know of anything conceptual or in detail.

Bethel Example Coming

Due to Bethel’s scale, modern apostasy, UN NGO and so on, rampant “lawlessness”, they will be made an example of first. (1Pet4:17; Zech3:1-5) The Christendom scale and purpose is not the front for the Globalist NWO to attack next en masse (they may toss a few fish-corps in though), and certainly not the BTG total religious empire scale, when the nation-state “old world order” is the coming front of global order “attack”, mostly by financial control (Dan11:42-43) as with Bethel, and everything else under the whole NWO Pyramid.

The World Government Beast Boys are not going to attack religion as a global whole, until they can make the global laws of “one world religion” to do so, and they certainly are not going to depose their harlots when they are most useful for this whole final cycle, as with JWs, to aid diversions, divisions and confusions of this final cycle to World Government.

Bethel uses those patsies to divert JWs from the judgment that must come on Apostate Bethel FIRST. (1Pet4:17) BTG Pyramid over Christendom, goes down under World Government, deep 5th to 7th plague final global developments (Rev16:12-20) and parallels (Rev17:11-18);

After World Government arises (Rev11:7; Rev17:8-13) as the global “solution” to the “old world order” meltdown phase global “problem” (Dan11:42-43; Matt24:29), then religions can be concentrated on, as will other old world order systems also be scheduled for systematic transformation or removal, in the principle falling on BTG. (Rev17:15-18)

BOTH the old world order sovereignty, and BTG religious sovereignty, go down parallel with World Government final “ascension” to 8th King/King North final foretold sovereign “one hour” as shown explicitly in the Revelation 17:8-18 final full sequence to that coming period. Bethel is who goes down first, and whose prophecy fails first (2Thess2:1-2), then their apostasy is fully “revealed” (2Thess2:3-4), in a period of forming large scale global distractions.

It is the Final Cycle, Not “The End”

Thus the fantasy Bethel sells is being revealed as a total backwardizing stagnated stall, when global research shows the “new” “world order” is what is being brought in, in highly controlled manner financial manner first. (Dan11:42-43) [1] Everyone but JWs sees World Government coming. “The end” is the smokescreen JWs have been sold, too soon, so it blinds them to the meaning of the REQUIRED 7th King global crises wind down period. JWs will think it is “the end”, when it is the birthing cycle of World Government “8th” King, and it takes several years even from after JW and Bethel crash signal.

Thus Bethel wants to sink the ship and JWs into this drawn out final cycle, and now sells JWs the premature end delusion of 2 Thessalonians 2:1-2 as the exit cover. As it hits in whatever manner it is designed globally to develop into, JWs will go into a psychological state of true belief it is the end, but it will not be the end.

But at the scale Bethel is, as small as it is, it is still significant enough to take a few years to down that ship fully (hence Dan8:14), and they want to sell that divine decreed “trampling” (Dan8:13; Dan11:41) as if it is “persecution” and the “King North”=”Gog” attack phase (way too soon), with new lies to hoist the GB to stellar JW credibility proportions, so to JWs the GB will look more credible than ever, because they have the inside information from their Globalist Masters in finance and system control. (Dan11:32a)

JWs will think KN and Gog are whoever the GB wants to distract them to at that time. (But the GB will never tell JWs Daniel 11:30-45 King North is 3rd (1990; Dan11:31b) to 4th (Dan11:45; Dan12;11) UN development in prophecy to World Government. They also will not tell JWs Daniel 8:23-25 is the same thing King Fierce” is 3rd (1990; Dan8:23) to 4th (Dan8:25;) World Government development, now covered up by Bethel. (Dan8:12))

JWs Take a While to Wake Up

So as we can easily imagine, when in that phase, JWs will go into a state of mental frenzy. It will be very difficult to get through to JWs, to tell them it is not “the end”, but of Bethel’s corrupted apostate phase. (It will be Daniel 11:41) As with delinquent Jonah, JWs stalled in error, have to be thrown “overboard”, in the darkness of the “evening” phase of Daniel 8:14, as Daniel 8:13-14 has not fulfilled yet, and it is timed and phased (Dan8:26) for future verification backed by the events in that first 3.19 anti-JW-org years. (Dan8:14; Hos6:1-3; Isa37:30-32)

It is going to take time for JWs to get sobered up from the Bethel UN Hooch fest. But the signal the Bethel downfall will create, will in time, be enormous and of global spiritual impact for the implications it really is as the final foretold cycle to World Government going full blown over the Apostate UN-Bethel pyre SIGNAL. (Isa28)

(Isaiah 28:18-19) And your covenant with Death will certainly be dissolved, and that vision of yours with Sheol will not stand. The overflowing flash flood, when it passes through—you must also become for it a trampling place. 19 As often as it passes through, it will take you men away, because morning by morning it will pass through, during the day and during the night; and it must become nothing but a reason for quaking TO MAKE OTHERS UNDERSTAND what has been heard.” (Dan11:41; Dan8:13-14)

[1]

When Central Banks Rule the World

Catherine Austin Fitts at the Secret Space Program—Parallel Global Finance System

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[QUOTE who=”I_know_better_now “]I think Jesus was talking about his future anointed brothers seeing the sign. Sorry but what was said sounds very plausible. Remember they used Franz’s lifespan only as an example.. The real lifespan could be far shorter..For the first group and the second. Which would bring the end that much closer.
Even if they are infiltrated does that mean Jehovah is not ruling amidst his enemies as Christ is? Remember when Satan ran free in the heavens did that invalidate the entire family? No. Maybe this is all one lesson for all of us. The presence of evil does not mean God cannot accomplish his will. Therefore even though I had my reservations at times I remember Jehovah at times has to deal with his servants sometimes in really bad circumstances, the bad circumstances do not mean they are not his servants, yet Jehovah sustains them. Jehovah is not afraid of evil. To rule everything out because of evil is falling for the bait Satan sets up. I will not do this.
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True. But the Governing Body has to go, and probably most of the org. The GB concept is what led to this disaster in the first place. God will judge JWs just like He has judged all of his people throughout history. JWs have gone astray, so Bethel has to be toppled to free them to reality in enough time to cleanse for the final warning phase.

World Government is out in the mid to late 2020s. It cannot go past 2034 overall. (Gen6:3)

God has repeated the judgment and recovery principles so that His people can understand after th judgment on the His house first. (1Pet4:17)

And he replays other principles to know the meaning of the seasons prior to Christ arrival.

(Genesis 6:3) . . .After that Jehovah said: “My spirit shall not act toward man indefinitely in that he is also flesh. Accordingly his days shall amount to a hundred and twenty years.”

Meaning Christ may show up in the 2000th memorial, but the “last days” will not be more than 120 years, may be less though.

But seven years may precede it, 1260 days before arrival (Dan12:7; Rev11:2-3; Rev12:14; Rev13:5-7; Rev11:7-10), and Christ arrival in the active 1290 days (Dan12:11; Rev11:11-12), but all seven final years are OPEN FOR SALVATION of ANYONE on planet Earth:

(Genesis 7:4) For in just seven days more I am making it rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and I will wipe every existing thing that I have made off the surface of the ground.”

(Daniel 9:27) “And he must keep [the] covenant in force for the many for one week (both 1260 and 1290 days are open for salvation; one week); and at the half of the week he will cause sacrifice and gift offering to cease. (final two witnesses warning ceased after 1260 days expires; half of the final week)

What should be the priority to JWs is the final witnessing of the “two witnesses”. Instead Bethell has them expecting the end too soon, as per 2 Thess2:1-2.

The GB will be judged, removed and exposed, and condemned as a valid ministerial body as part of the first part of the final warning, when JWs are also judged, cleansed and recovered for the final warning, as the 7th King fall “sword stroke” is “healing” into 8th King world government as timed in Daniel 8:13-14. (3.19 years min, 6.38 years total, both phases “evening” darkness and “morning” enlightening recovery. (Dan8:14,26)

In time that leads to the “second witnessing” prior to world government by 1260 days.

World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3; Dan12:11), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

That is why the JW house is judged first, in enough time to be cleansed and recovered for the final warning. Bethel will be given to the UN they bedded down with (Matt24:15), to a degree God will dictate.

Be ready for the LONG HAUL homestretch to world government then Christ arrival.
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[QUOTE who=”difference”]<quoted text>and your link is you, is it? Satan thought his thoughts were right, too, he leaning upon himself. Satan is reliably vicious, going against Jehovah and his son, who gave up his life, blood, for those having faith. If you think that ingesting Christ’s blood as the Catholic church thinks communion is, go for it. But Jesus’s blood left his body for the most part and went into the ground as your friend dee lightful says.[/QUOTE]

(Hebrews 2:14-16) Therefore, since the “young children” are sharers of blood and flesh, he also similarly partook of the same things, that through his death he might bring to nothing the one having the means to cause death, that is, the Devil; 15 and [that] he might emancipate all those who for fear of death were subject to slavery all through their lives. 16 For he is really not assisting angels at all, but he is assisting Abraham’s seed.

Christ took his incorruptible blood to the holy place, in a way humans do not understand.

(Hebrews 9:11-12) However, when Christ came as a high priest of the good things that have come to pass, through the greater and more perfect tent not made with hands, that is, not of this creation, 12 he entered, no, not with the blood of goats and of young bulls, but with his own blood, once for all time into the holy place and obtained an everlasting deliverance [for us].

Some of it spilled on the ground, etc. But the real blood sacrifice of the divine dimension of Christ’s blood, had to be given to God Almighty, the Receiver of the Sacrifice and gift.

(Hebrews 8:3) . . .For every high priest is appointed to offer >>>BOTH<<< gifts and sacrifices; wherefore it was necessary for this one also to have something to offer.

The “body” is the gift:

(Hebrews 10:10) . . .By the said “will” we have been sanctified through the offering of the BODY of Jesus Christ once for all time.

As “sanctification” (body as perfection basis) differs from “atonement” (blood payment)

The “gifts” plural, is that Christ delivers the “gifts in men” to God, in heavenly form “first fruits” (Matt24:31; Rev7:1-8; Rev14:1-5), and in earthly form “harvest of the earth” (Rev14:14-16; Rev7:9-17)

Nothing was “dissolved”, the “second man out of heaven” went back to heaven as the spirit creature Christ in immortality, to give BOTH the gift and the sacrifice first. How he did it is in God’s dimension of spirit understanding, not that of Edemin fruit ingested Adamic man.

That he did it is certain. It is the basis of the HUMAN recovery phase. And that is why humans with the earth destiny, do not have to “partake”, they can instead BECOME the real blood and body of Christ “last Adam” perfection on Earth.

They “partake” as truly human “reborn” beings in the Eternal Father (Isa9:6) Christ by way of his Bride (Rev21-22), the mother of more than the one with the husbandly owner:

(Isaiah 54:1a) . . .“Cry out joyfully, you barren woman that did not give birth! Become cheerful with a joyful outcry and cry shrilly, you that had no childbirth pains, for the sons of the desolated one are more numerous than the sons of the woman with a husbandly owner Jehovah has said.

And the “place of the tent” (Rev21:1-5) “Zion” purified and “re-created” planet Earth (Matt19:28), will be “expanded” to the divine dimension:

(Isaiah 54:1b-5)2 “Make the place of your tent more spacious. And let them stretch out the tent cloths of your grand tabernacle. Do not hold back. Lengthen out your tent cords, and make those tent pins of yours strong. 3 For to the right and to the left you will break forth, and your own offspring will take possession even of nations, and they will inhabit even the desolated cities.

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[QUOTE who=”Gorbatchov”]BethelJudgement,
You can find all the information on the net, If you want.
It’s a multi billion money machine.
Most strange, is that all the corporations are billing each other.
Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, pays the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Penssylvania for trade mark and the text, and other corporations are paying for literature to WTBTS New York.
The investment is huge. So huge, the GB doesn’t know the details. They are just puppets.
The real power is somewhere else. The Lawyers are the connection to them.
Brumley had connections with Capitol Hill. (Yes, the one who told on JW
Broadcasting that higher education made him an other man, although that was
what his wife said).
I think it’s linked to the US Government or Republican party members.
The movement is taken over at some moment to expand the US lifestyle to other country’s.
The American Way of Life is exported to other regions in the world to create
a Global trade and Global culture.
I think, without evidence, it is started when Knorr became president.
UN, OCSE, UNHCR, they are all linked to it.
Follow the money, and follow the information provided by Google.
It’s a politcal and a financial thing. A real Firm.
Gorby
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Thanks Gorby.

Now in my estimate the whole thing has about 10 billion in assets, plus minus, with a couple billion channeled out in the last 5 years. (I guess 4 billion in hard assets nailed to the ground, ministry stuff, not luxury hotels and other investment forms)

I could be wrong. Have you ever come up with a total net worth figure?

I think JWs are extraordinary as far as ROI, because they have a well tuned “zeal” machine, with plenty of slave labor and expert consulting for “free”, at global scale of opportunity. (and I think they have the inside track from their globalist handlers, so they are fast-tracked for max ROI from the inside, because those guys are going to get the loot in the end)

So, imo, they could vie with the Mormon Empire (30 billion) even if half the size in population.

So, quite possible that 10 billion guess may be far short of the reality.

And the UN NGO compact has had its perks with the globalist blessers of the thing; for now. By the UN NGO, they KNOW from the divine standpoint (Isa36:10), that God will give them most if not all the booty for that enormous “transgression causing desolation”. (Dan8:13)

So they KNOW JWs are a cash cow, a golden calf they will receive and “melt down” as needed.

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I am Jehovah’s witness, that is a former “Jehovah’s witness” that left due to Matthew 24:15 and the UN NGO “catch sight of the disgusting thing” (not because I feel “the whole thing is bunk).

I feel much more is involved from the globalist and the divine standpoint, because the League of Nations exposure did start the 4 step trek to world government by use of the “world war” “problem to peace solution” formula of the 1914-1919 era.

The tradition of exposing the globalists in the 1945 UN continued by JWs.

Modern JWs stopped exposing the trajectory to world government, in the UN 1-2-3 1990 UN event, all hushed up and joined as UN NGO is NWO campaigning as laced into the WT and Awake! “staple food”.

So after that 2nd UN exposure, and the death of Rutherford, it was high time to get into the org, and shut up the rest of the UN expose’, which has been accomplished. (for now)

And that is why there is more involved in seizing the JW org, come the time to shut the whole thing up, as they tell JWs the reason is “its the end”. They plan to take it all totally over, crash it, and cancel the JW ministry as instead JWs go into a TRANSITION period from nation-state to globalist global financial system, NOT “the end”, but the “healing” into said World Government.

They just want to toss JWs, rip it all off, and let JWs figure it all out in such a bewildered and totally duped state.

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Remember this is just ONE FUND involvement:

Watchtower JP Morgan Liquid Assets Fund Value 2004

Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania owns over 7% of J.P. Morgan Chase Liquid Assets Money Market Fund.
http://wiki.jw-archive.org/Watch+Tower+Bible+and+Tract+Society+of+Pennsylvania

JPMORGAN LIQUID ASSETS MONEY MARKET FUND

INSTITUTIONAL

WATCHTOWER BIBLE & TRACT SOCIETY OF PENNSYLVANIA
ATTN TREASURERS OFFICE DOMESTIC CASH MANAGEMENT 25 COLUMBIA HTS
BROOKLYN NY 11201-1300

Record
7.337%

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1037897/000119312504198395/ddefm14a.htm

List of Watch Tower (Watchtower) Corporate Entities
http://wiki.jw-archive.org/List+of+Watch+Tower+%28Watchtower%29+Corporate+Entities

Or some details about the “established place” in the above setup:

(Daniel 8:11). . .And all the way to the Prince of the army it put on great airs, and from him the constant [feature] was taken away, and the established place of his sanctuary was thrown down.

(Daniel 11:31). . .And there will be arms that will stand up, proceeding from him (King North; KN); and they will actually profane the sanctuary, the fortress, and remove the constant [feature].

Which internal WTBTS “established place” “fortress” infiltration coincides with the 3rd UN global presentation of 1990, that Bethel joined in 1991 as UN NGO (Matt24:15) in this 8th King progressive 3rd step of 4 (Dan11:45; Dan12:11) to world government as the real King North:

“And they (Bethel aids by collusion) will certainly put in place the disgusting thing that is causing desolation.(3rd UN placement 1990)

As Bethel also conceals King North true identity as 8th King development, since King North leads the modern apostasy by means of Bethel illegal GB control:

(Daniel 11:32). . .“And those who are acting wickedly against [the] covenant, he (KN) will lead into apostasy by means of smooth words.. . .

And WTBTS finances will play a role in the full “established place thrown down” as this internal “entry” goes full blown and more severe in the future:

(Daniel 11:41). . .He (KN) will also actually enter into the land of the Decoration, and there will be many [lands] that will be made to stumble.. . .

All that will be aided by financial setups to spring into full WTBTS coup in the future, to complete the GB based subversion process, as Bethel will sell those Daniel 8:13 “trampling” parallels AS IF “Daniel 11:44 brothers!” “King North is attacking us!” “It is the end!!!!!”

And the smokescreen will be effective, many JWs will believe Bethel’s end, is “the end” but it will be Daniel 11:41 going full blown.(Luke 21:20 parallel maturity)

Bethel “leaving the holy covenant” is made official in the UN NGO.

(Daniel 11:30b). . .he (KN) will have to go back and will give consideration to those leaving the holy covenant.(at Bethel’s core, as Bethel’s core apostasy)


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[QUOTE who=”Gorby”] 4 generations of my family were stupid and naive. [/QUOTE]

So Gorby, how far back in this ministry does your family root back, if you don’t mind saying? As far as Russell?

I ask because I feel not everyone in this has apostatized to the extent of joining a UN NGO “side covenant”, and in the mix and complexity, God will make a “call” to some higher up in the network of global JWs, because there is a mix of personal state going on in this thing.
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http://wiki.jw-archive.org/List+of+Watch+Tower+%28Watchtower%29+Corporate+Entities

p.s. – In what is our money invested inside the fund?

The Fund invests exclusively in high-quality, short-term money market instruments.These instruments include corporate notes, commercial paper, funding agreements, certificates of deposit and bank obligations.The Fund will concentrate in the financial services industry, including asset-backed commercial paper programs.

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[QUOTE who=”Nedoba “]<quoted text>
I know I have said this before, but maybe it will stir up a bit of guilt and personal discomfort in those that defend the GB’s “ways and means”. When I was a JW, it always made me feel like hiding whenever the subject of community giving, soup kitchens and food pantries were being discussed because I KNEW “we” did absolutely nothing to do our share to feed or clothe our own neighbors in need. Passing out WTS literature and trying to talk people into a “bible” study….just didn’t cut it as far as I could see.
JWs….just THINK about how many years and years that these folks could have been helped…..and JWs turned their backs on the most basic of human needs.
WAS THIS what Jesus really intended for humankind to do?
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Actually there is no provision for JWs in need, in their “99%” and those that have troubles that are within the human condition.

Rather, by formula, things that sometimes lead to financial difficulties as causes of effects, are often IDd and “kicked out of the congregation” as all JWs resources MUST be directed to the faithful and well fed “slave” up at Bethel.

By design a cutting off of any possible resource drain to “weak sheep” is nipped in the bud. Rather than give aid to fleshly problems by some sort of actual counseling and outreach backed by actual training, rather than KH Quacks, dispatched by the Bethel Quacks, the KH is a place to “confess” and get kicked out, to ensure not potential dime goes to people ACTUALLY IN NEED.

And that is how Bethel has piled up 20 BILLION, ball park, in investment and asset velocity since 1980, may be more, and about 10 billion could be demonstrated from just public record and general business management algorithms.

What makes JWs unique is the “Zeal Drug”, that induces JWs, under sincere motivations, the amped up (and yet guilt driven in some cases) giving of more than normal funds, assets and time to the ministerial Global Bethel Free Labor Force, which Return on Investment (for Bethel), is an off the charts enterprise overall.

No religion on earth since the dark ages to Renaissance Catholic Investment and Slave Labor Machine comes close, per capita, to Bethel’s expert money makers, and engineers of how to turn 1 JW dollar into 10, for the Billionaire Bethel Boys Club, constant global scale, JW slave labor and consulting aided, real estate and investment valuation.

Do we think no JWs were used to renovate and maintain those luxury hotels in New York? They use outside consulting only where a JW sucker cannot be found to do it for free, or in places that require secretive developments in physical and investment architectures.

So Bethel has a JW GOLDMINE going on, and distracted “busy worked” JWs are deep in the caves and tunnels of the Bethel Goldmine digging in the dark, yet motivated by true spiritual concerns in most cases. So, Bethel is using God as cloak for their racketeering effectiveness.

They will be doomed in those who KNOW what they are really doing here. As far as the complexity of the JW Organizational Pyramid, we do not know how severely God will give it up to the “trampling” of Daniel 8:13.

JWs on the street, under the Bethel Pyramid, will be lucky to save one KH, imo. How bad God gives it over, is yet to be seen, but certainly He is not happy being the shill for the Bethel congame.

(Ezekiel 9:4) . . .And Jehovah went on to say to him: “Pass through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and you must put a mark on the foreheads of the men that are sighing and groaning over all the detestable things that are being done in the midst of it.”

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Correction:

Rather, by formula, things that sometimes lead to financial difficulties as causes of effects,

Rather, by formula, things that sometimes lead to financial difficulties as causes OR effects,

(like difficulties caused of drugs/alcohol causing problems, or problems whose effect causes one to medicate with drugs/alcohol)

JWs are in a “spiritual paradise” attitude as if perfect and masters of the flesh, which merely makes sins go undercover.

(Romans 7:8-11) 8 But sin, receiving an inducement through the commandment, worked out in me covetousness of every sort, for apart from law sin was dead. 9 In fact, I was once alive apart from law; but when the commandment arrived, sin came to life again, but I died. 10 And the commandment which was to life, this I found to be to death. 11 For sin, receiving an inducement through the commandment, seduced me and killed me through it.

Thus sin in JWs is more “thrilling” by its retributional Taboo of Sinner Human Cabals, in the GB and their Elder Clones.

THAT is why the recent RC just exposed the tip of the iceberg of JW sins buried under the supposed “spiritual paradise”.

MORE digging will turn up more of “them bones”.

Rather than be humble, and realistic about fleshly sins and ACTUALLY HELPING PEOPLE, JWs play as if Adam and Eve in sinless paradise, rather than just truly confess it all to everyone, that they are as sinful as anyone else.

Thus by JWs being distracted by every fleshly gnat and impulse that must hide itself in shame, Bethel’s REAL SINS of ATTITUDE and spiritual sins like the UN NGO and offering up children in sacrifice to the Pedophile God Molech, RIGHT AT THE CONGREGATIONS, all slide off the JW radar.

They are too busy policing the “gnat” blips of themselves and fellow JWs.

(Matthew 23:23-24) . . .“Woe to YOU, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because YOU give the tenth of the mint and the dill and the cumin, but YOU have disregarded the weightier matters of the Law, namely, justice and mercy and faithfulness. These things it was binding to do, yet not to disregard the other things. 24 Blind guides, who strain out the gnat but gulp down the camel!

And THAT is how it worked then, and today in modern JW-SINville. A spiritual sinning paradise more like it, the GB ate the fruit.

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[QUOTE who=”Lordylordy9111″]<quoted text>
The year the GB “officially” chose satan over the lamb because they knew about the lamb carrying the reproach of God’s people mentioned by Isaiah chap. 53 and they chose the Repoacher satan to bless and promote Bethel.
The Reproacher came close to the lamb in the 80’s as a child. Then 1989 the Reproacher “officially” entered his throne under veil. The Reproacher “officially” began the coffer hymns and prayers called “Bolshevist” enemies of Master saviour. On 9.11 came a stronger hymn and prayer called “war on terror” who will save us our Master our saviour who illuminates out of the dead womb of the lamb. Then the 2009 comes out himself and sits on his throne and illuminates out the dead womb of Jesus servant. He is KN. [/QUOTE]

Bethel is complicit in everything post 1989, by silence, and joining the “United Nations of Non-Kingdom Organizations”.

They ignored EVERYTHING of globalization and growing world government power note.

They SAID NOTHING about:

1. 1990 3rd UN placement and end of Cold War meaning and prophecy. ([*] Dan11:29-31);

2. Modern CFR and Chatham House guidance of the “two horned wildbeast” and their labyrinth of global military, banking, and thinktank orgs like NATO, Federal Reserve and Bilderberg, TriLater Commission, Tavistock, etc, etc; [* expandign on Rev13:11-15; Dan11:36-39)

3. The purpose of globalization globalizing world government; ([*] Rev16:13-16)

4. Gulf War first NATO actual military hot operations and Global NATO 1999; ([*]Dan11:40)

5. WTC 911 2001 events and global invasion of Global NATO under that “World War on Terror” pretext; [*] expands Dan11:40)

6. 1997-2008 greatest wealth transfer of assets to globalist finance, while the greatest debt/interest and liability shifted to the US and EU nation-state debt systems that capped off (so far) in the 2008 Global Credit Crisis. ([*] Sets up Daniel 11:42-43 enroute to Rev13:15-18)

7. The Federal Reserve ownership of everything in the US banking, investment, insurance, corporate and mortgage (RMBS residential, CMBS commercial coming but also significant) related sectors. ([*] Sets up Daniel 11:42-43 enroute to Rev13:15-18)

8. NAFTA, TPP, etc

9. Their own APOSTATE state.

10. and everything else!

So Bethel is PURPOSELY ignoring all modern globalization reality as if perpetually stuck in 1976 as far as any insight on prophecy connected to ALL of the above in one way or another as [*] noted, as the completing globalist “two horned wild beast” machinations of 8th King/King North TOTAL World Government maturing to reality.

Of course the required 7th King US and EU dependent system downfall prior to 8th King total global “ascension” into World Government, is also ignored by Bethel, as policy.

Instead Betehl plans to sell that downfall and their own, as if their apostasy GB reign end (Dan11:41; Dan8:13-14), is “the end” of it all, which it will not be. (2Thess2:1-2) Instead their apostasy must be globally fully revealed. (2Thess2:3-4)

And this kind of evidence of Bethel evil apostasy, is already starting to reveal what is really going on inside of Bethel. (Dan8:12; Dan11:30-31, 32-35; Zech3:1-3)

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[QUOTE who=”Sparlock”]<quoted text>
No, actually it’s a fact. It’s easily verified by the simple fact that, going all the way back to the mid to late 1800s, CTR/Watchtower doctrine has ALWAYS violated scripture. And blatantly so.

The religion that constantly and blatantly violates scripture is, by default, false.

The only prophecies that have ever been fulfilled by Watchtower are the same ones that have been fulfilled by every other false religion out there.

There is nothing special in the least about this religion. Religions just like it have come and gone throughout history.

This religion is not Christian. It never has been. It never will be. Christianity is not in the Watchtower’s nature.[/QUOTE]

The “religion” does not matter, the restored faith does. Time will tell, because God crunchign Bethel first will actually mean they were his house of most modern progress, devolved after 1944-1991 into UN NGO Masonic alliances.

What you are describing is basic attributes of ALL Christendom “religions” including Bethel’s version of the same UN doting devolution into apostasy.

The FAITH is what matters, and it will be cleansed again, to make world government ramifications announcement.

World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

Bethel will not make that simple equation, so they go down first and in those large developments the final news will emerge. (Rev10:5-11)

It merely repeats the first cycle pattern of 1914-1919, but to final World Government, as represnted by the League of Nations in the first cycle PREVIEW.

THAT is why we are still talking about 1914-1919 WW-to-world-government meaning even today, it is the main formula of WW2, Cold War, and the future global war cycle coming up.

In time, a final ministry will emerge to connect up the first two Un steps to world government that JWs were making up to 1945, UN 1-2, to the final two UN steps to world government that Bethel has been covering up since 1990, UN 1-2-3-4.

The final UN prophecy is World Government.

Actually, it is very simple given it just repeats the first WW1 cycle function. And early JWs talked their face blue explaining that first and second cycle from 1920s forward, derailed by modern Satanist Masonic Bethel.

(That is why Bethel goes down first as Daniel 11:41 and Daniel 8:13-14; 1Pet4:17), to clear the way for the final warning of what full and complete world government will trigger. (the 1Thess5:1-3 UN World Government “World Peace” period)

8th King/King North World Government as Simple as Possible
http://templelijah.wordpress.com/un-fourth-cycle-soon/8th-kingking-north-world-government-as-simple-as-possible/

You just got fooled by all the various diversions intended to bag you too. But you are not alone, many will be given time to wake up in this homestretch to world government hence triggering the Christ arrival.

Catching on to the plot yet? You will, in time. You don’t have a finger to point given the pitch black pot you are in.
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[QUOTE who=”hMMMMM”]<quoted text>
Jehovah’s Witnesses like Nomi come on here all the time, stating how “sexy” 5 year olds dress these days, how the “2 Witness” rule “makes sense”, this rule that allows Jehovah’s Witnesses to sexually assault children as long as it is done privately, that the tots should be stopping by, or calling the police themselves etc etc etc.
Not one of them has the courage to stand up for the innocent children and demand change, and that includes Nomi[/QUOTE]

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No, some JWs do have the honesty to say our house is now also APOSTATE. (Matt24:15)

Definition of Apostate: Bethel
https://jwupdate.wordpress.com/2015/06/12/definition-of-apostate/

Some Jehovah’s witnesses are God’s witnesses before they are lawless Bethel’s, and now Bethel, like Christendom before her (Eze23), are IMPOSSIBLE to defend and a true witness of God will give witness to that TRUTH and FACT.

What good is a BLIND WITNESS???

Some of us care about the Christian ministry progress that JWs did make. But now ONLY GOD’S JUDGMENT can “reform” JWs. (Zech3:1-5; Dan8:13-14; 1Pet4:17)

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And the irony is, God crunching Bethel coming up, first (1Pet4:17), will actually BECOME more proof Jehovah’s witnesses ministry has been sanctioned as stated by God Almighty Himself, by Jesus guidance, and lawlessness is simply the human condition effect we all must admit. God blessing and judging, depending on conduct, is how He always dealt with “his people”. (Hag1; Hosea; Jeremiah)
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ADMISSION OF SINS TO GOD THROUGH CHRIST, is the FIRST STEP to recovery. Just ask David or Peter.

Confession to God and All

UNTIL Jehovah’s witnesses ADMIT the sins before God, to God through Christ, disclose the GB abomination and condemn it publicly (2Thess2:3-4), and GIVE A FULL GLOBAL APOLOGY TO ALL MANKIND, only more and more problems and tribulations will come on the overall lawless Bethel ministry and plagued JW lives as a result of Bethel’s sin pot:

(Revelation 8:10-11) . . .And the third angel blew his trumpet. And a great star burning as a lamp fell from heaven, and it fell upon a third of the rivers and upon the fountains of waters. 11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood. And a third of the waters turned into wormwood, and many of the men died from the waters, because these had been made bitter.

Because it will be a signal for all people once Bethel is invaded (Dan11:41) and “trampled” (Dan8:13-14) next, soon, first:

(1 Peter 4:17) . . .For it is the appointed time for the judgment to start with the house of God. Now if it starts first with us, what will the end be of those who are not obedient to the good news of God?

(Isaiah 28:18-19) And your covenant with Death will certainly be dissolved, and that vision of yours with Sheol will not stand. The overflowing flash flood, when it passes through—you must also become for it a trampling place. 19 As often as it passes through, it will take you men away, because morning by morning it will pass through, during the day and during the night; and it must become nothing but a reason for quaking TO MAKE OTHERS UNDERSTAND what has been heard.” (Dan11:41; Dan8:13-14)

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Aftermath Of the Bethel Judgment

Now another “cloud with silver lining” irony is, Bethel’s downfall will open a final global salvation call beyond the narrow confines of Bethel’s roped off version of requirements for salvation. (Rev10-11:1-7; Rev14:6-7)

Positive Global Message—Open Global Salvation Opportunity
https://templelijah.wordpress.com/2015/08/31/positive-global-message-open-global-salvation-opportunity/

As can be seen Bethel is the worst enemy of their own ministry, all JWs, and all people, they distract, scandalize and cause controversy that causes more division and bickering as both sides of these arguments are distracted from the bigger meaning of Bethel’s apostasy as the FINAL one prior to the cycle that leads to world government. Bethel “divides and conquers” to setup the “trampling” on JWs and their critics, all divided and stalled due to Bethel error.

World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3; Dan12:11), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3; Dan12:11), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

Because Bethel will not divulge that SIMPLE SUMMARY, they are removed first in the process. Bethel is removed first, because Christendom goes down under world government, their global scale is too enormous to be concentrated on at this time. Bethel is the perfect place for a prophetic proportions judgment to occur, and that first and soon. (Dan8:13-14; Zech3:1-5; Mal3:1-5; Rev8:3-5)

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[QUOTE who=”Aneirin”]<quoted text>
READERS this is a lie.
But even if it were true, look at what Array is saying:
<quoted text>
What does the GB give back to JW>
Ermmm the the GB gives the literature, the carts carts.
Is Array stupid or crazy?
Literature and carts cost MONEY.
Array is saying the GB give them literature and carts and yet they don’t give anything????
She’s bananas!!!!!!!!!!
Furthermore no one pays for the literature. Array is lying.
Literature is given free of charge.
It is all paid for by VOLUNTARY ANONYMOUS DONATIONS..[/QUOTE]

WTBTS has a line of charges that congreagtion pay by donations, making more money than simply charging 10 dollars per WT.

THAT is how the guilt driven “donation” scam works.

In the corporate Top of the Pyramid, the GB charges every corporation under them, and will leave them with more liabilities than they can pay when they scoot out with about 10 billion dollars for King North.

The are EXPERTS at the con, and that is why naive Kool Aid lips cannot see the scam while it works. They use Jehovah and “everlasting life” as their shill, so they will in time have more than hell to pay for this con.

NONE of it makes Jehovah or His promises invalid, it merely nails Bethel as our final apostasy, to trigger the judgment of Daniel 8:13-14 soon. (in the Daniel 11:41 sequence culmination)

Only those actual events and its aftermath will wake up JWs and reform anointed Christianity. How much of the org God leaves behind, is up to God AND the degree Bethel repents and makes full disclosure and condemns and fires the GB once and for all time, as Rutherford did to the same board, in 1917.

NO WONDER!

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[QUOTE who=”RiccardoFire”]<quoted text>Nice reference. LOL. THE BIBLE SAYS:
“For to which of the angels did He ever say, ‘Thou art My Son, today I have begotten thee?'” Hebrews 1:5
“But of the Son He says, ‘Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever…'” Hebrews 1:8
“But to which of the angels has He ever said, ‘Sit at My right hand, until I make Thine enemies a footstool for Thy feet?’ Are they [the angels] not all ministering spirits, sent out to render service for the sake of those who will inherit salvation?” Hebrews 1:13-14
It is clear from Scripture that Jesus is NOT and has never been an angel or an archangel! It would appear that the only support you have for such a belief is the literature of heretical cults. , you might want to go to Hebrews chapter 1:4 which says that Jesus is as much superior to the angels (including Gabriel) as the name he has inherited is greater than theirs. In Hebrews 1:14 he concludes his thoughts on angels by saying that they are simply ministering spirits who serve those who will inherit salvation (us!). Jesus is something much greater than this, which is the entire point of Hebrews chapter 1. Earlier in the chapter, the Hebrew writer tells us that the Son (Jesus) is the exact representation of God’s being. Gabriel is certainly not the exact representation of God’s being. In Colossians 2:15-20 Paul says that he (Jesus) is the image of God and that in him the fullness of deity dwells. We certainly cannot say such a thing about Gabriel. There is such a great variety of passages which can only be interpreted as to imply that Jesus is God. Where should I start? Titus 2:13 describes Jesus as our God and Saviour. In John 8:58, Jesus says of himself, before Abraham was born, I AM. He takes the very name Jehovah (which means I AM) for himself. The Jews were not in doubt what that meant. They picked up stones to stone him. Angels bow to him (several places in Revelation), Thomas worships him (John 20:28). It is blasphemy to consider anyone bowing to or worshiping Gabriel.
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Yes, people fail to understand The Archangel aint no average “angel” to begin with, he is the basis of ALL the angels. Technically not an “angel” but the one and ONLY “Archangel” Ancient of All Angels, first of the kind, unique.

Archangel when referring to the only one, Michael, should always be capitalized. There is no other.

And that has a bearing on Hebrews 1.

But it is not rhetorical.

To which “angels” did God ever say?….

(Hebrews 1:13) . . .But with reference to which one of the angels has he ever said: “Sit at my right hand, until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet”?

Well the Archangel Christ Mighty God Whole Tamale of God’s First Creation of course.

lol

That is why the word “angel” does not occur in the book of Hebrews. Get the riddle?

(Hebrews 8:2a) …a public servant…

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[QUOTE who=”array”]
JW pay for their literature, they pay for the carts, they pay for the JW. org logo on every KH.
What does the GB give back to JW. Not a thing.
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Oh yeah! I forgot about that. lol

Racket

“”A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small “inside” group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes.””

—General Smedley Butler

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html#c1

CHAPTER ONE

War Is A Racket

WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.

A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small “inside” group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes.

In the World War [I] a mere handful garnered the profits of the conflict. At least 21,000 new millionaires and billionaires were made in the United States during the World War. That many admitted their huge blood gains in their income tax returns. How many other war millionaires falsified their tax returns no one knows.

How many of these war millionaires shouldered a rifle? How many of them dug a trench? How many of them knew what it meant to go hungry in a rat-infested dug-out? How many of them spent sleepless, frightened nights, ducking shells and shrapnel and machine gun bullets? How many of them parried a bayonet thrust of an enemy? How many of them were wounded or killed in battle?
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[QUOTE who=”Lordylordy9111″]<quoted text>
I hope someone destroyes the US government before they hurt anyone else. They world should pray for a US revolution to take down capital hill before they hurt anymore people.[/QUOTE]

In reality the “US Government” is just a figment of imagination, globalist corporations and the Department of the Treasury actually run the show even now. So in a way the “SHE will not prove to be an escapee” in the King South/7th King REALITY, is they are made subservient to KN.

In reality they are subservient, like world government pulling the strings, it just has to come out and all be made official. So the US Government Show can now proceed to “exit stage left”, go down, and be assumed as just one more subservient national global “state” in world government, come that time.

It is the globalist super-system of private super-corporate matrix, that has to be deposed by God, no nation in the “land of” King South “Egypt” will save their sovereignty, it is already gone, it just has to be made official by total financial transition into the new KN Wealth Control Overlords of Daniel 11:42-43.

Daniel 11:42-43 is a very important future development, very explicit in meaning, so we will know what the US and EU financial coup REALLY is leading to in Daniel 11:44-45 late period World Government as it converges as the “place the disgusting thing” of Daniel 12:11 as the “place palatial tents” parallel of World Government.

The “attack” Bethel is going into is Daniel 11:41 that actively leads into Daniel 11:42-43 US wealth total checkmate, 100%, which will enable Revelation 13:15-18.

They will sell their end, and the globally severe crisis period of Daniel 11:42-43’s global context, AS IF “Daniel 11:44 brothers!!!”

In that way they have advanced JWs TOO FAR into Daniel 11, and those big global events on Bethel and the nation-state, SEVERE BUT NOT “THE END”, will instead give JWs the IMPRESSION of “the end”, as if Daniel 11:44-45, WAY TOO SOON, aided by this kind of STRATEGIC over-advanced prophetic misapplication. (2Thess2:1-2)

And in that manner Bethel just jumped over Daniel 11:41-43 AS IF already fulfilled, and AS IF a failed USSR could even come close to fulfilling those MASSIVE FUTURE temple judgment context (Dan11:41) and national wealth transference (Dan11:42-43) prophecies.

But it is easy to see now, how Bethel is playing their JW pawn now, by use of PREMATURE fulfillment and premature “the end” D-E-L-U-S-I-O-N-S among JWs.

FORETOLD DELUSION (2Thess2:1-2) and the FORETOLD APOSTASY (2Thess2:3-4) that must INSTEAD be 100% EXPOSED at Bethel, BEFORE the real “the end’ can come.

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As you know it is difficult to impress in people’s minds the meaning of post 1990 globalization acceleration leading to that development. JWs are further behind than globalism researchers, so they are useless to explain how King North world government ascends on King South subservience, they make NO CONNECTION to modern globalism/global banking news.

1. Global researchers now about world government and its cyclic formula, but they do not tie it to prophecy in full, if at all.

2. JWs have a stalled prophecy, and they do not connect it to world government globalization AT ALL,

Thus the “two sides” of the puzzle “never meet”, they have a gulf between them for now, as aided by Bethel’s KN Boys Club of Apostates and Impostors.

In time God will make sure it is all connected to the last dot it will trigger: God and Christ’s arrival, after world government is complete (Rev17:8-13; Dan11:45; Dan12:11; Dan8:25) and GLOBALLY stated as such. (1Thess5:1-3)

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[QUOTE who=”dee lightful “]<quoted text> Michael is ONE OF the chief princes so he is not unique for there are other princes like him.( Daniel 10:13)
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Show the one other, called The Archangel:

(Jude 9) But when Michael the archangel had a difference with the Devil…

God does not miss things in the Bible. There are foremost angels as in the crown of 12 “stars”, who are angelic orders with angelic leads, BUT MICHAEL ALONE is the “crown” itself. (Rev12)

Soothsayes and new-agers are the ones who like to think many archangels exist. Those are demons playing holy angels, that tell them such lies.

Michael stands alone as far as created beings, he is the “arch”, “ancient” first creation of God, the Only Begotten One.

(Daniel 12:1) “And during that time Michael will stand up, the great prince who is standing in behalf of the sons of your people.

He is a “great prince” NOW, but when he “stands up” it is as KING appointed by God, of both heaven (Rev12 “crown of the woman” (God’s Kingdom temporary appointment; 1914+), and Earth as KING of kings in the Messianic Kingdom FOREVER.)

Christ hands back GOD’S Kingdom, only God Almighty is KING of God’s Kingdom ultimately. But Christ alone is “last Adam” King of the “Kingdom of the World” and “son of David” in David’s Kingdom of the Messianic Kingdom of Christ.

(Revelation 22:5) . . .they will rule as kings forever and ever.

Christ is merely fully subservient to God the Ultimate King of Eternity:

(1 Corinthians 15:28) But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone.

But God can never be also “Son of David”, so Christ is that Kingdom King forever:

(Psalm 2:6-8) 6 [Saying:] “I, even I, have installed my king Upon Zion, my holy mountain.”  7 Let me refer to the decree of Jehovah; He has said to me: “You are my son; I, today, I have become your father.  8 Ask of me, that I may give nations as your inheritance And the ends of the earth as your own possession.

Zion will ultimately be the “holy mountain” of glorified Planet Earth planetary Eden 100%.

(Ezekiel 28:12-15) “‘“You are sealing up a pattern, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. 13 In Eden, the garden of God, you proved to be. Every precious stone was your covering, ruby, topaz and jasper; chrysolite, onyx and jade; sapphire, turquoise and emerald; and of gold was the workmanship of your settings and your sockets in you. In the day of your being created they were made ready. 14 You are the anointed cherub that is covering, and I have set you. On the HOLY MOUNTAIN of God you proved to be. In the midst of fiery stones you walked about. 15 You were faultless in your ways from the day of your being created until unrighteousness was found in you.

Satan is of course removed from the Holy Mountain for the new:

(Revelation 14:1) . . .And I saw, and, look! the Lamb standing upon the Mount Zion, and with him a hundred and forty-four thousand having his name and the name of his Father written on their foreheads.

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The “Pure” Sole Language

Well take the “pure language” thing as an example of a spiritual concept that instead stalls in the JW cul de sack. I understand the concepts mean well, but in time the concept ends up eclipsing the reality:

(Zephaniah 3:8-9) Therefore keep yourselves in expectation of me,’ is the utterance of Jehovah, ‘till the day of my rising up to [the] booty, for my judicial decision is to gather nations, for me to collect together kingdoms, in order to pour out upon them my denunciation, all my burning anger; for by the fire of my zeal all the earth will be devoured.

9 For then I shall give to peoples the change to a pure language, in order for them all to call upon the name of Jehovah, in order to serve him shoulder to shoulder.’

What is the main real point of verse 9 “I shall give to peoples the change to a pure language” that now does not progress beyond the JW buzzterm “pure language”?

Well when did God intervene the last time as connected to the confusion of the languages in the first place?

Here, at the first attempt at world government based on one human language:

(Genesis 11:1-9) . . .Now all the earth continued to be of one language and of one set of words. 2 And it came about that in their journeying eastward they eventually discovered a valley plain in the land of Shinar, and they took up dwelling there. 3 And they began to say, each one to the other: “Come on! Let us make bricks and bake them with a burning process.” So brick served as stone for them, but bitumen served as mortar for them. 4 They now said: “Come on! Let us build ourselves a city and also a tower with its top in the heavens, and let us make a celebrated name for ourselves, for fear we may be scattered over all the surface of the earth.”

5 And Jehovah proceeded to go down to see the city and the tower that the sons of men had built. 6 After that Jehovah said: “Look! They are one people and there is one language for them all, and this is what they start to do. Why, now there is nothing that they may have in mind to do that will be unattainable for them. 7 Come now! Let us go down and there confuse their language that they may not listen to one another’s language.” 8 Accordingly Jehovah scattered them from there over all the surface of the earth, and they gradually left off building the city. 9 That is why its name was called Babel, because there Jehovah had confused the language of all the earth, and Jehovah had scattered them from there over all the surface of the earth.

And what was that? A first World Government attempt; that is what God “broke up” in non destructive means, by means of the multiplication of human languages by divine miracle.

So when it says “I shall give to peoples the change to a pure language”, it means the return of one language on Earth, for the purpose of unity. And the same reason why God confused the original language, because its unity for the purpose of a global government had to be thwarted, and delayed. The delay time is what is expiring now into a final world government attempt.

So when it says “for my judicial decision is to gather nations, for me to collect together kingdoms”, contrary to that very “gathering” thing they attempted in Genesis 11:1-9 “let us make a celebrated name for ourselves, for fear we may be scattered over all the surface of the earth” in defiance of the command of God to disperse globally:

(Genesis 9:1) And God went on to bless Noah and his sons and to say to them: “Be fruitful and become many and fill the earth.

God has an allowance, a divine “judicial decision” to allow that final gathering into that World Government to completion for the final intervention setup globally.

(Daniel 11:27) “And as regards these two kings (national and globalist final world power development), their heart will be inclined to doing what is bad, and at one (global sovereign) table a lie is what they will keep speaking. But nothing will succeed (as far as partial national blocs), because [the] end is yet for the time appointed.)

(Daniel 11:36) . . .And he will certainly prove successful until [the] denunciation will have come to a finish (at Armageddon after Daniel 11:45 World Government completes convergent into Daniel 12:11 final fulfillment); because THE THING DECIDED UPON MUST BE DONE.

(Habakkuk 2:3) For [the] vision is yet for the appointed time, and it keeps panting on to the end, and it will not tell a lie. Even if it should delay, keep in expectation of it; for it will without fail come true. It will not be late.

(Daniel 9:26) . . .And until [the] end there will be war; what is decided upon is desolations.

Yet “wars and reports” of wars active globally means “the end” cannot come under such a state:

(Matthew 24:6) you are going to hear of wars and reports of wars; see that you are not terrified. For these things must take place, but the end is not yet. (see also Luke 21:9)

So at a time of global signal peace, is when “the end” comes, hence:

(1 Thessalonians 5:1-3) Now as for the times and the seasons, brothers, you need nothing to be written to you. 2 For you yourselves know quite well that Jehovah’s day is coming exactly as a thief in the night. 3 Whenever it is that they are saying: “Peace and security!” then sudden destruction is to be instantly upon them just as the pang of distress upon a pregnant woman; and they will by no means escape.

(Also see Daniel 8:25b “[[during]] a freedom from care” as this same “world peace” period signal)

And that peace comes when the Revelation 16:13-16 full global “gathering” into globalized world government, permitted by divine “judicial decision” permission, occurs for the purpose of the use by those “disgusting thing” world government engineers of desolations, to then engineer their final developmental selling hope of World Government, by then ceasing the “desolations” by wars they themselves engineer.

It will be “desolations” until the national sovereign conflict arena “old world order” is neutralized for the “new world order”, by one global sovereign system monopoly; 8th King, King North synonymous as World Government.

And that is why God’s “judicial” decision is to permit them to complete the globalization gathering:

(Revelation 16:13-16) And I saw three unclean inspired expressions [that looked] like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the wild beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 They are, in fact, expressions inspired by demons and perform signs, and they go forth to the kings of the entire inhabited earth, to gather them together to the war of the great day of God the Almighty. … 16 And they gathered them together to the place that is called in Hebrew Har–Magedon.

Globalization is the main “inspired expression” of the main global force in globalization to progressively produce that global “gathering of nations” “collect together kingdoms” at global scale of “united nations” to the full of World Government:

(Daniel 11:45) …And he will plant his palatial tents …(Dan12:11 final “place the disgusting thing”)

(Revelation 17:12-13) 12 “And the ten horns that you saw mean ten kings, who have not yet received a kingdom, but they do receive authority as kings one hour (world government reign in completion) with the wild beast. 13 These have one thought, and so they give their power and authority to the wild beast.

At which time Zephaniah 3:8 fulfills, at which time God and Christ conquer the rival system:

(Revelation 11:15) And the seventh angel blew his trumpet. And loud voices occurred in heaven, saying: “The kingdom of the world did become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he will rule as king forever and ever.”

Then God can complete the intervention by the same means to “reset” the languages back to one “pure language” so that under the Messianic Kingdom the sole language can aid the objective “in order for them all to call upon the name of Jehovah, in order to serve him shoulder to shoulder” as aided by that unified language basis, which Satan tried to take advantage of by Nimrod in Genesis 10-11 millenniums prior with the his own global sovereign goal.

So Bethel’s foretold internal subverters (Dan8:12), from the expert engineers of that rival system (Dan11:32a), have entered a valid Christian spearhead ministry, to use these concepts to remain stalled in these conceptual principles, while bypassing the ultimate world government meaning of the summary it is actually leading to.

Be versatile, and focus on God and Christ and the Bible, because weird stuff is coming on Bethel, as they are in fact COVERING UP the final phase meaning of the dialectic use of the global wars and “desolations” “PROBLEM”, used in time to then resolve, like an 8th King miracle, to instead present the world government “SOLUTION” in full, in this final DRAWN OUT MULTI-YEAR PROCESS and it is all simply in prophecy.

Prophecy now COVERED UP by especially these latest post 1990 Bethel stalling and subversion developments in the Jehovah’s witnesses ministry. (That UN NGO is THE “Red Scarlet Flag”! (Matt24:15), it is NOT innocent and accidental. (Dan8:13 “transgression causing desolation”; Daniel 11:31 3rd UN placement related.)

STAY ALERT (Because they are out also beyond Bethel, into branches, and even some congregations.)

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===> I have been so angery lately I want to tell the world I hate the US government
> but I had too pray very hard and I decided not to because I put it in God’s
> hands. I am upset to see so much going on and so many hurting and it was
> because they feel they are too big to be flipped. Just like phararoh. They will
> learn just like Bethel.
>
> Agape

The only “solution” none of these researchers lead to is that ONLY God and Christ can stop and remove these guys, and these guys will keep progressing as foretold. They have been in a notable mode since 1914 and WW1. Their Modus Operandii, cycles and formulas can now be fully demonstrated. We now understand their methods.

Yes just wait on Christ, because these guys WANT people to over react and go into their nets on the street first. They WANT “revolution” “problem”, and violence on the streets, because that is how their martial invasion “solution” in that phase gets aided, people ASK for their help! The people with the assets being burned up that is, the rich.

So it is all a “chess game” with the American people, and the more patient we are the better, regardless what may arise. Human anger limits our rationale thought, they anger me too.

But the “problem” THEY are and will continue to grow in power as, its only “solution” is God and Christ required to “show up” and depose them after the final cycle matures, and that warning goes forth prior to the final milestone of world government and what it will trigger in God and Christ.

I do appreciate these researchers, but like with Alex Jones or Icke, the nation will NOT be able to regain and reform their classic “old world order” sovereignty, it already is gone. And no “mass awakening” is going to stop them either. The SOLUTION is Christ, which these guys some up much information for people, but they keep them with the false hope the Illuminati KN boys can be overcome.

After 100 years of their tide of control, it is impossible to stop the tide now, they are too rich, demon backed and hell bent on world rulership. If a human system reversed them, it would take another 100 years and more, because the key financial and military systems would need to be recontrolled, and that will not happen now.

And that is why it leads to the undeniable truth that God and Christ and their Kingdom REALITY is what will swoop in, at the divine time, and take over by force, while saving many many people lost in this process. That is where we have to place our hope and faith, because the Christian mission is the main thing they want to stop, regardless of the religious label, they want Christian Whores, and any Christian speaking the truth will be resisted and harassed, but God will help in the process.

But JWs were the furthest advanced in explaining the prophecy continuum, now severed, that they will truly want to cancel, overturn and keep under foot for good. But they are dealing with God who knows how to kick them where it hurts, and he will, and He will “cause my two witnesses to prophesy” at some point in the recovery of the ministry however God does it.

But Bethel has also engaged in lawlessness and UN NGO the seals the fate of that apostasy, and KN has helped weed seed it in, so they KNOW the JW ministry will be given to a heavy judgment, the Bethel lawlessness works to their advantage and gives them a WTBTS “in”.

But as per Hosea 1:4-7, “Jerusalem” is NOT given to them, only Ahab Israel at Bethel. As per Zechariah 3:2 the Jerusalem “log” WILL BE snatched from that fire coming, and its context is purification, not destruction for the “log”.

Thus as one can imagine, those will be notable events on the Bethel system first. And it seems that it will emerge as things go downhill in the “old world order” as well, aiding the distraction and confusions.

So pray a lot, and place all faith in God and Christ and stay alert to let the Holy Spirit guide you, rather than emotions that can work against us.

Agape

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[QUOTE who=”Gorbatchov”] It’s my conclusion that the GB are puppets, and the advisors have a interface with a third party who is really in charge. I think there must be a relation with Republican politics to expand the American Way of Life to other less fortuned people around the globe, for Globalization.
That’s my analyse and conclusion. Making me sad about our 4 generations being in the hands of a Globalization project.
Gorby (The Netherlands)[/QUOTE]

And if US Republican politics is subverted for world government development, which it has been, then you can take what you already see to the even more extreme conclusion of who is controlling Bethel, to control JWs for the “one table” goal. (Dan11:27)

The nation-state system is the system that must be transitioned by mostly financial means into world government wealth sovereignty. (Dan11:42-43)

In that process the end goal of Bethel will be reached, which imo is to dissolve the very basis of the modern JW ministry, in the same manner of legal and financial means.

Capitalism matured into globalization, but neither are perpetual process, they both converge into corporate global monopoly. The end product globalization produces is a natural world government that emerges with the process.

It is mostly there, it has just not been made official yet. Total digital control of the symbolics of global wealth, is how they can control it reliably, to crash what needs to be crashed, transition what needs to be transitioned, while not losing control, but consolidating the final eggs in the process.

High Frequency Trading and ICE make it certain in theory to accomplish the goal at global scale, in highly controlled manner where every symbolic digit will be in their virtual control.

Quants: The Alchemists of Wall Street (vpro backlight – 2010)

The Wall Street Code

Money & Speed: Inside the Black Box (vpro backlight – 2012)

Over 90% of “Wall Street” trading volume takes place at the Telex Datacenter in New Jersey, and no one seems to notice the implications of such a transfer of the location of that example of global trading.

The real new “location”, is in “the cloud”.

In that way the whole final cycle financials, the core, can be controlled by external means.

THAT is what they call “Free Market”.

To see the concept in a “real world” documented example of insider trading and system override, just look at the use of digital “risk management” implementations and some very interesting 911 anomalies:

9/11 Trillions: Follow The Money

Now if you heard about Bethel doing the same thing in the QCTelecom datacenter, then it get more interesting.

It may be nothing, but I know at some point billions must pass fully out of WTBTS hands, and it has been going on in skim form, imo, for quite some time, but this will be the big one to complete the operation.

But that is why the “slow burn” “meltdown” whether “crash” or not, can be controlled to the point we can know it will recover as bad as it may seem to get. (Rev13:3)

And we can know Bethel is already selling their end “predictive programming” and “the end”, as the same thing for that transition cycle, as if it is the total end.

But it will not be, it will be the phase that transitions into full World Government. Ultimately the thing Bethel is concealing for their controlling power system.

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[QUOTE who=”Lordylordy9111″]<quoted text>
It should be clear now. The US modern day order created the war maker UN and they make war with Russia the Goliath and sacked them in 1991. So the one who was victory is KN. [/QUOTE]

It is now obvious. That is why in 1993 they put out 750 pages of 33 chapters of distraction in the Proclaimers of Bethel’s Organization book.

Then when enough time had passed after 1990, and the USSR thing had receded in to the “background”, they released the 1999 “Pay [NO] Attention to Daniel’s Prophecy” book, just long enough after the USSR fall, to slather in the final layer of concrete on the USSR=KN error, and keep it in place, just long enough after it had emerged in 1990 as REQUIRING A FULL KING NORTH [[UPDATE]].

No can do, no update to reality, but UN NGO co-promoters of the NWO all over JW literature as searchable on the WT Library CD 1991-2001, PROFANATION BIG TIME, and cover up too boot.

Now Daniel 8 and 11 are ancient history to JWs, totally bypassed over the very prophecy that contains the 1990 3rd UN details (Dan11:31b; Dan8:23) CONCURRENT WITH THE BETHEL APOSTASY (Dan11:30-35; Dan8:11-13 set up), and even its UN NGO Temple “TRANSGRESSION causing desolation” (Dan8:13) in the temple.

OF COURSE a subversion THIS SEVERE and modern, will be IN PROPHECY!!!!!!!! OF COURSE THEY DON’T FOOL GOD FROM LONG AGO!!!

JWs are just sold more of the Governing Body of the Organization Show and Circus, as all bells and whistles are pulled out in a new JWorg 33 counterfeit replacement of Christ “Logos”, and a new lukewarm grey Bible, to distract once again all JWs before the Final Act of the Bethel Play begins for real.

TOTAL DISTRACTION AFTER DISTRACTION SINCE 1990!

It MUST be on purpose to be this effective and implemented with key globalist events in 1990, and 2001 hen they released the UN NGO and Pedophile Paradise “news” right at the distracting point in globalist development in 2001.

All accidenta? No, all foretold King North control of Bethel. (Dan11:32a) Sleeping JWs are a high priority.
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[QUOTE who=”Sparlock”]
Watchtower clergymen going back to CTR didn’t invent this playbook. They copied what others did.[/QUOTE]

Actually there are a few aspects unique to JWs ALONE, BAR EVERYONE. They do not, well did not, worship the UN like the church clergies do gloablly, on the same record. And they used to say so, UNlike today’s UN NGO witnesses and the churches who cannot do a thing but promote 666 allegiance.

It is what it is. And even JWs now have joined the UN Brothel of the church old “pros”.

The clergy has always been in bed with the UN World Governemnt boys AND it empire agenda—it is what ti is. JWs recently joined the UN orgy, when Bethel sneaked in in 1991 as UN NGO. And now they also promote the “New World Order” WITH the silent churches.

There are other aspects of JWs that are TOTALLY UNIQUE to that faith, things the churches NEVER HAVE touched with a ten mile pole, because they want their Christ cake, and to it it the wildbeast cake too, and they will NOT offend the US and European elite globalist and national powers who care for their little whores.

They did not expose the US/UK system for what it is, JWs did, to the full, and its basis in world government following system, which JWs dropped the ball the church clergies NEVER so much as touched with a ten foot pole. NO way, no how!.

The churches don’t touch their masters true identity. The churches are harlots, and so are JWs now in the “organ-izational” sense. They have a new “logos”. [JWorgan]

It is what it is. JWs did in fact invent a new play, until sacked under UN-GB Reign of Terror.

You don’t know what your talking about, unless one is in the ignorance of all US/UK empire goals since 1776. Then you have a “point”, it is a point for the blind, leading the blind, just as blind as JWs, all the same wildbeast doting Camp of Christian SILENCE in the shrinking violets of Christendom, now Bethel has joined the coma.

Ever heard of World Government? No, it is a term foreign to your awareness I am sure, yet it is the goal of European elites for 300 years, and it will reach its objective of “global governance”, their latest buzzword.

But you won’t hear that on TV. So you probably have not heard, and neither have JWs or the church flocks, because all their clergies are now SOLD OUT to the Wildbeast World Governemnt agenda.

(It’s a big secret)
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[QUOTE who=”curtjester1″]<quoted text>
No other angel is called an Archangel. Only one, Michael. the one, chief of the princes.
[/QUOTE]

Yes. And not to be technical, but it is THE Archangel. It is also a “kind” of angel, one of a kind, God’s basis of all the other angels.

Actually it should be capitalized when referring to the one and only God recognized ancient of all angels, Michael the Archangel even before any other angel even existed to be Chief over.

Now if we set our minds back in 600 BC Hebrew mind, with no Christendom even present, and only one true faith on earth at that time in Israel’s covenant with God, then Daniel 12:1 was a very very very INTERESTING scripture to the Jews.

(Daniel 12:1) . . .“And during that time Michael will stand up, the great prince who is standing in behalf of the sons of your people. . . .

It named the angel they already knew about, and by implication it said he would “stand up” as “great prince” into something more than “great prince” he already was, but King.

In those purer days of the understanding of God’s purpose, and that angel’s role in it, well known to the Jews, then Daniel 12:1 was a STUNNING REVELATION to the Jews! We just have to try to imagine what the Jews were thinking in those days in regard to these things.

And since Daniel WAS THE FIRST true King of God detailed revelation in Daniel 2,7,8,11-12, especially Daniel 2 and 7, then King Michael would have been OFF THE CHARTS as far as ANYTHING the Jews knew up to the time of Babylon conquest in such great detail as Daniel’s book.

Now think of the state of the Jews, in Jerusalem total desolation and capture, just when Daniel’s book comes out from God. IMAGINE the bleak outlook the Jews had, and how great the Daniel details were to them, just when needed.

It was a time of depression , yet great joy, because Daniel’s Kingdom and Michael revelations were a peak in all Hebrew understanding of that aspect of God’s purpose, that only Revelation, centuries later, has equaled as far as God’s Kingdom purpose!

Think how the old school Hebrews must have pondered HOW an angel, yes a “Great Prince”, was to “stand up” as KING! HOW? They would have been stunned as this detail emerged in God’s “sacred secret” yet still unfolding. It was MIND BLOWING to those old school Jews! OFF THE CHARTS!!!!

Today many have zero comprehension of the true meaning of these things, and many now take the “sacred secret” for granted up to the post Christ arrival progress it has made since the time of Daniel.

But these details need to be appreciated, because Michael must “stand up” in the final cycle, 1914-1919 is the PREVIEW valid first cycle, of the future final cycle REALITY, when Michael stands up not just as God’s Kingdom anointed King in God’s Kingdom (1914-1918), but ALSO as Messianic Kingdom King of kings (future), only BORN, in 1914, it must mature and complete the mission in the future!

What is Global NATO going to do when Michael the King drops in?

Head for the hills, that is what they will do. (Rev6:12-17)

(Revelation 6:15) . . .And the kings of the earth and the top-ranking ones and the military commanders and the rich and the strong ones and every slave and [every] free person hid themselves in the caves and in the rock-masses of the mountains.

Keep in expectation of Michael’s final arrival and stand as the Christ of God, as the finale of a story long followed by God’s people. He will trample their 8th King/King North World Government farce to their face (Ps110:2), come the time they are finally stated and ready for “the war”. (Rev19:19-21)

And the time will come. Stay alert. More has yet to happen, and Bethel will be the opening “epicenter” of the Revelation 8:5 “earthquake”. (1Pet4:17; Dan11:41; Dan8:13-14)

As per the pattern, Michael visits the temple FIRST (Zech3:1-5; Mal3:1-5; Rev8), for a very important reason. (Rev9)

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[QUOTE who=”Imagoodboy”]<quoted text>
What changing your mind now?
Mary is just a flower pot as AB says, and Mary is a surrogate and not his real mother. Jesus was not a genuine descendant just a pretend one!
Jesus became a life giving spirit at his Baptism. From than on he gave life to many, including Lazarus. Many hundreds and thousands were healed and given renewed hope and life! Jn 6:62-63
At his resurrection his body was changed to that of spirit!
The second **MAN** out of heaven!
A man existing in heaven come on!
I think your understand the scripture incorrectly!
Dosen’t the scriptures say, that some one like the son of MAN gaining acess to HEAVEN!
And didn’t Jesus say when the son of man is lifted up!
So when he says the second man he is talking AFTER his resurrection and not before!
Lols[/QUOTE]

I said “considering” things humans cannot really understand given Eden Fruit background.

I believe Christ DNA from God could master the pattern, but that Christ must be ACTUALLY from David’s “seed” in Mary.

(Luke 1:35) . . .For that reason also what is born will be called holy, God’s Son.

The “for THAT reason” is because Mary may have also been thinking “how is this to be” for more reasons than that she had had intercourse with no man. She may have wondered how imperfection could bear God’s Son.

But it also carries the implications of why the earthling sheep must ALSO be “re-born”, but under Christ’s full “eternal father” Kingship, by his “Bride”. And since some truly never die an Adamic full death, they must die to that former way of life, and actuality of the perfect “DNA” must change them too, when the perfection emerges, which process seems to take some time:

(Revelation 7:17) . . .the Lamb, who is in the midst of the throne, will shepherd them, and will [CONTINUE TO] guide them to fountains of waters of life. . . .

Obviously those human being in the “great crowd” are NOT perfect when they “come out of the Great Tribulation”.

Thus they must be perfected in a way obviously beyond current human understanding, in fact the exact details of divine perfection and the divine process may not be understood for millenniums, depending on God’s will, but in time the concepts must be understood to the full.

It took 6000 years for man to devolve into today’s quagmire of mixed truth and error and lies, so it will take 1000 years just to get to “day one” of perfection. It is no overnight affair. And David’s lineage must be respected in the Divine Purpose.

And that is why I consider such a statement, but do not just stop considering other stated implications, such as Mary’s and Joseph’s lineage back to David, and the REASON why it is there to such a perfect degree of record. It is not there for no reason.

My opinion is the master male DNA guides the process when in perfection, an opinion with some scientific evidence. But it is beyond human understanding, they know very little about DNA and meiosis and mitosis. Essentially they know nothing, in reality. That is why we can only speculate, but I feel Mary was involved more than just a surrogate for reasons of the covenant with David.

And that “imperfection” can be “perfected” by a process, or instantly, as in the case of human spiritual progress in the 1000 years taking time, and that it will actually have a divine ruling process not left up to “trial and error” and “chance” every step of the way, in 100% control of all earth and life, to guide the process with ZERO super-human and human interference into anything that can thwarts the perfecting process.

Christ “DNA” for lack of a better and deeper reality, is the perfection guide administered by an INDESTRUCTIBLE LIFE FORM:

(Hebrews 7:15-17) And it is still more abundantly clear that with a similarity to Melchizedek there arises another priest, 16 who has become such, not according to the law of a commandment depending upon the flesh, but according to the POWER of an indestructible life, 17 for in witness it is said: “You are a priest forever according to the manner of Melchizedek.”

That Life REALITY is not just a form that can live forever, but one that can live forever and be indestructible too.

Now “plug in” the “POWER of an indestructible life”, into this “outlet” now plugged in by a deatrh dealing spirit:

(Genesis 1:26-28) And God went on to say: “Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness, and let them have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and the domestic animals and all the earth and every moving animal that is moving upon the earth.” 27 And God proceeded to create the man in his image, in God’s image he created him; male and female he created them. 28 Further, God blessed them and God said to them: “Be fruitful and become many and fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving upon the earth.”

And we see why things are also incorruptible in Romans 8:18-22 and Ezekiel 47, and Revelation 22.

And we see why the Death Dealer Devil removed, is the priority:

(Hebrews 2:14-16) Therefore, since the “young children” are sharers of blood and flesh, he also similarly partook of the same things, that through his death he might bring to nothing the one having the means to cause death, that is, the Devil; 15 and [that] he might emancipate all those who for fear of death were subject to slavery all through their lives. 16 For he is really not assisting angels at all, but he is assisting Abraham’s seed.

And its effects will be GLOBALLY FELT BY ALL LIFE ON EARTH:

(Ezekiel 47:9) And it must occur that every living soul that swarms, in every place to which the double-size torrent comes, will get life. And it must occur that there will be very many fish, because there is where this water will certainly come, and the [seawater] will be healed, and everything will be alive where the torrent comes.

Making this “Re-Genesis”, “Re Creation” “Re Generation”, Genesis 2.0 :

(Matthew 19:28-29) Jesus said to them: “Truly I say to you, In the re-creation, when the Son of man sits down upon his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also yourselves sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. 29 And everyone that has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or lands for the sake of my name will receive many times more and will inherit everlasting life.

(Romans 8:21) that the creation itself also will be set free from enslavement to corruption..

And “corruption” in that context is the decay of destructible life forms. Unfortunately people have to use post Edenic fruit ingestion totally limited and prepared “understanding” to try to understand things that can only come when God wills them in this overall process of redemption to recovery, as stated clearly though in concept, in the Bible.

But that is why Isaiah, by God, states we need to “Search for yourselves in the book of Jehovah”  (Isa34:16) because God is only giving hints at this time. But the more important summary is coming to the aspcts leading to these things as Christ assumes global rulership 100%:

(Revelation 10:6-7) “There will be no delay any longer; 7 but in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to blow his trumpet, the sacred secret of God according to the good news which he declared to his own slaves the prophets is indeed brought to a finish.”

These other interesting clues and details will be revealed to all under Christ’s Reign, but now who is to say who God can clue in before it occurs, in ways at present we cannot yet understand. So we have to give anyone a chance to state their impressions of these details, but we know it will all come out, especially after The Liar is abyssed. (Rev20:1-3; Isa24:21-22) Then there will be no active power of true obstruction of The Truth.

For now I like to consider things that have a logic I can appreciate, and I can spin around more than one option in the process. Plus this is a detail God has allowed to be revealed, like Michael being also Jesus Christ, it is not a core truth of salvation, there are more important things that are to be taught, and why God only revealed enough Michael detail, not too much, for various reasons of the human ease of distraction. But Michael has to be made known for the ones capable of seeing the bigger picture that JWs used to be fully revealing very well, until the recent GB based diversion and stall into GB and JW Org Worship fiasco of today, and everything it “covers up” by “omission” not direct deception overall.

There are cleverly injected deceptions in certain post 1944 GB “theologies” (such as the GB concept itself), but the real crime is one of omission after 1990 3rd UN event of prophecy (Dan11:31b; Dan8:23). What JWs are not saying, because Bethel is remaining silent as the lead derailers, is where the real problem lies.

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[QUOTE who=”Gorbatchov”]Betheljudgrment,
What I admire is that you keep the bible in mind. During my fade I lost track with the Holy Scriptures and came on a kind of distance with our Creator. You made me think again about the Christian values, and how we can act personaly to make our planet a better place, without an organization and parrot leaders with expensive juwelry on their own new trown, the broadcasting, playing like the orchestra on Titanic.
Gorby[/QUOTE]

1/2

I will tell you it was not overnight, but since 2011, that all this refocus took place, after getting over that guilty fear the GB impediment. I used to respect those guys, and the concept. But the more I researched in the world of globalization, and world government, and critical global US and EU finances, the more I saw what they are SAYING NOTHING ABOUT.

And the more I saw who they really are, and WHY they want no JW investigating them, or saying a peep in criticism. THEY ARE FRAUDS SET IN PLACE TO SUBVERT THE WHOLE JW MINISTRY!

That did not dawn on me overnight. But when my eyes were really opening up to the implications beyond your stand “JW critic” out there, they pulled that “lifting themselves over [literally] everyone” we ALONE are Faith Slave everyone! PUBLIC stunt of BLASPHEMY in 2012-2013.

THAT sealed the deal in my mind, it emerged at the perfect time as I was looking for how to prove to myself, these guys are bogus ministerial apostasy controllers.

Thus keep researching the true financial state of the US and EU nation-state economic dilemma, it is all debt+interest ENGINEERED, to default the national governments in the same principle as bank taking a person’s house when a person defaults on a mortage. It is a LEVERAGED BUY OUT, using the same monetary system of the nation-states, to buy out their own governments, from the top down.

So as with me, the MORE you look, the MORE you will find, so make the time to KEEP LOOKING into the BIG PICTURE OG WORLD GOVERNMENT to emerge in time.

Then too, as with me, you will see how the Bethel “pea in a pod” fits into their section, of that BIG PICTURE being concealed as long as it can be concealed, while at the same time in alternative media and globalism research it is being revealed fully since especially the 911 Gateway Stunt that set Daniel 11:40, even now, into Global King North Global NATO WORLD INVASION, in one nation At a time, in the Middle Eastern and Mediterranean start zone, but by US-SOCOM wars in over 100 nations known at this time.

Now think of that Global NATO and US Military expansion, working hand in hand with the US Dollar system and debt system going into EVERY NATION on earth to some degree, and you will see how Daniel 11:40 (military and corporate invasions globally) are aided by Daniel 11:42-43 total wealth control and DEBT INVASION, to culminate first, then world government final phasing and final agenda of Daniel 11:44-45.

It is all written all over the modern globalization researchers commentary, except they do not connect it to prophecy. Bethel who knows the prophecy, will not connect it to modern globalization trends, data and research.

2/2

Thus the two realms of development that must meet and progress as one, are at present severed, as Bethel aids their sector of that truncation as they keep UN 1-2 at UN 1-2-the-end, rather than UN1-2-3-4 to world government first.

KEEP RESEARCHING >>>EVERYTHING<<<. THE MORE WE DO, THE MORE WE FIND, IT IS WHAT IT IS.

Things are going into a final global-cycle, full blown, in time here. Bethel plays a globalist system role in silencing what that cycle will mean. But they cannot forever keep the real meaning covered up, they are permitted to do such for a little while longer. (Dan8:13-14) And their [>foretold<] removal (Zech3:4-5) is no overnight affair.

Keep looking into it very deeply in light of the Bible, God’s purpose and prophecy and the reality of Christ, Bethel aids a coma concerning, while enabling mass lawless policy among JWs. IT IS NOT A BIG “COINCIDENCE”.

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[QUOTE who=”J”]<quoted text>
I see you missed my point
So let me help you out
The USA ain’t no 25 old year virgin
We both agree on that
But there are other countries if they had the fire power even 1/10 of the fire power the U.S. Military has
THEY Would use it!!
That’s the bottomline
So my question to you is —
do you want a “bully” with nukes or a “crazy bully” bully with nukes
Just asking [/QUOTE]

China and Russia have the “1/10th”. But after the Cold War, when they joined the Globalization Ban Wagon, the big bucks started rolling in.

When big bucks are rolling in, one gets more peaceful, as did Russia and China, to busy counting their trillions.

But when an empire tapeworms the home nation, and covers up massive national debt with more debt and paper, THEN war is their only option.

And that is why the broke US nation state, rich in debt, is on the World War preparatory post 911 positioning. Their only hope is global takeover, while crashing their national US and EU base system, to emerge and buy it all up, with a new financial system, to emerge with World Government.

As this developed it became obvious to the NeoCons and globalists that the US HAS TO FALL FIRST, in the process. But the globalist system has all the assets, so they can still proceed with global takeover, undercover of the US downfall, engineered to heal into world government with everyone else, “united nations”.

The US national sovereign minded elites had to be put under thumb first, they were the globalists main possible threat. Because Global NATO is a 600 pound global tiger, in prime condition at the top by its own finance system tier, the two pitbulls in the Russian and Chinese sector camp, will fold in time, they cannot overcome 100s of trillions in NATO/US spending since 1990, when they have put their trillions into their own nations, and the globalist manufacturing “off shore” aiding system.

Now by this bet, the Global NATO world government of military can capture Russia and China, by incentive of their required role in Elite World Government, and their inability to overcome NATO scale of 21st century warfare from right above the heads, in space, right above ALL their capital cities, in Universal NATO’s final “big stick” precision energy system.

Russia and China are done, but they can be used for a 20th century warfare play, with a scripted ending: Them JOINING Global NATO for World Government. US will be “equalized” into a global state along with those other participating powers in World Government, with 100% Military Global Control.

Like the US, Russia and China will use their weapons on their own national populations, their own most immediate threat, just like the US situation. All carried out by sleight of hand, as THEY ARE ALL IN ON IT: >>>WORLD GOVERNMENT<<<.

Their own people is who it is designed to control, hence Revelation 13:15-18 principle, at global scale.
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The trick in all subversions, whether of governments or religions, is VERY GRADUAL BUT STEADY leading astray. 1 degree of separation from the path, and in time all is off course, very very gradually over a few decades is all it takes.

(Daniel 8:11-12) 12 And an (JW worldwide) army itself was gradually given over (to 8th King infiltrative control), together with the constant [feature] (imbibed with disinformation), BECAUSE of transgression;

And transgression also introduced very very gradually and under very plausible rationale, is why God also gradually yanks the holy spirit from the flock. In time the apostasy seems as natural as the truth, by means of smooth rationale as well:

(Daniel 11:32) “And those who are acting wickedly against [the] covenant (at Bethel), he (8th King/King North) will lead into apostasy by means of smooth words. (The Bethel “smooth words” 8th King cover-up in the JW publications is part of the smoothly justified apostasy);

Altogether in very little words, God has described the state of Jehovah’s witnesses ministry today and precisely HOW it went off course to “gradually given over” to the diametric enemy system UN NGO agenda, to conceal world government in prophecy in its final, post 1990, developments as prophecy.

Slow and steady, the Bethel Titanic has hit the KN Iceberg. Just a matter of time for them to wrap up and conclude the operation in the takeover of the WTBTS, to 100% attempted KN seizure.

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[QUOTE who=”Dogen”]<quoted text>
Where does 6000 years come from?
I know it’s wrong, I just want to figure out how wrong.[/QUOTE]

Well you belive the world and your long sold-out religious academics. You won’t figure anything out in this phase of your awareness, or lack of awareness as we should say.

(John 14:15-17) “If you love me, you will observe my commandments; 16 and I will request the Father and he will give you another helper to be with you forever, 17 the spirit of the truth, which the world cannot receive, because it neither beholds it nor knows it. you know it, because it remains with you and is in you.

Many’s beef with JWs was them exposing the condition of the church mental quagmire. But now they too succumbed, but JW invalidity does not all of a sudden make church wildbeast worship approved by God.

Instead the whole has converged into a whole house judgment, once again. But this will be the biggest phase, and it will also take the longest of all the Biblical judgment phases, because it is the final one.

JWs are in a perfect position to be updated in time, but that house has to go down as the central global visible epicenter of the Revelation 8:5 “Earthquake”. From there the seven trumpets can take a decade plus to move through the first six enroute to World Government first.

But it has to wrap up by 2034, imo. It can resolve before then, but it won’t go beyond the limits of the “day of Noah”, so is the “parousia of the Son of Man” days as well.

JWs began the tradition of applying basic patterns in the Bible, to modern events, because cycles repeat regularly. But in time, JWs by enemy Bethel subversion, make no application of the UN1-2-3-4 Super Cycle. That UN Presentation Super-Cycle is composed of four global war based sub-cycles, WW1, WW2, Cold WW3, and WW4 in the future in as unique a forms as the Cold WW3.

In the final cycle, the fourth coming up, it all converges into WORLD GOVERNMENT as the final global-formula of global-crisis resolving into astounding global-hopefulness in order to present the “logical solution” of world government, to free men from predatory politicians as those nation-state slave-puppets are the final fall guys and are put in their place, subservience to the scarlet wildbeast:

(Revelation 17:13) These have one thought, and so they give their power and authority to the wild beast.

The one thought is sovereign preservation and expansion. By pursuing that, they give their sovereignty to the global-sovereign of World Government. For Biblical “week” and sabbath reasons, this total overall cycle had to resolve before the “week” was up, that is around 6000 plus years, for Christ to take the final 1000 Years for the Lord of the Sabbath global recovery.

World Government will cap off the bullseye period that Christ will depose for his sovereign reality, by force in the end. Only God and Christ can stop Satan empowerment of the “New” “World Order”, and they will, after they are completed, stated and ready for The War of the Great Day of God the Almighty. (Eze37:8; Rv16:13-20)

That is all you need to put into your brain for now. The coming bumpy ride may just wake you up to reality, who knows right?

But your churches, and even JWs, will not say anything about this, until the Temple Judgment accounting is completed for the temple recovery of anointed tier Christianity, to of course give a clear final warning of the truth World Government will trigger the full Christ arrival many have heard about.

The enemy system will know full well who they are dealing with:

(Revelation 6:16-17) And they keep saying to the mountains and to the rock-masses: “Fall over us and hide us from the face of the One seated on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb, 17 because the great day of their wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”

Hence:

(Daniel 12:1) And during that time Michael will stand up…

as King of kings.
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[QUOTE who=”jace”]<quoted text>
Why do you guys get so upset with me for merely asking critical thinking questions based on the published information of the wt writers
Here is your basic problem
I have not made the claims of the guys who publish the wt
Each time you attempt to make the issue about me you run head into this simple fact
The wt writers have oftentimes elevated thier OPINION TO DIVINE STatus
In fact I have repeatedly quoted these words.
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts. ”
For years I have stated
If the wt writers had stuck with merely doing bible commentary they would have been fine
It was the wt boys who thought this was a brilliant thing to
“It is vital that we appreciate this fact and respond to the directions of the “slave” as we would to the voice of God”
They wrote and you can’t defend it
So attempting to point the finger at me when I never said such foolishness they said
[/QUOTE]

Yes. Bethel’s Department of the Plagiarism of Itself, has gone WAY BEYOND the things written.

Yet, the irony of it is, as they did this they also fell way behind the news of the World Government.

They are the most backward journal in that “Awake!” dated farce, than anyone on Earth! It is recycled 1970 mindset, for JW mental backwardization.

They IGNORE everything globalization and geo-politics related, yet they toss out wacky “new light” like FDS=GB, Gog=KN, and No Generation GARBAGE, to make it look to JWs like they even look at the Bible, rather than manage a multi-billion dollar corporate empire—which is very very “busy work”, complex business, special talk engagements, luncheons, pow wows, and other Bethel “Good Old Boy” JUNK.

Bethel is a FOSSIL of its own hubris and presumption to kick Knorr to the curb, and Franz under the bus.

So God gave them the curse of NO LIGHT, while they merely sell tickets to what is a Spiritual Carnival.

It IS what it IS.

(1 Timothy 5:24-25) . . .The sins of some men are publicly manifest, leading directly to judgment, but as for other men [their sins] also become manifest later. 25 In the same way also the fine works are publicly manifest and those that are otherwise cannot be kept hid.

God is just shining the light into the Bethel Termite Nest, so some people can catch on to the real reality of Bethel’s corpse like true spiritual condition.

This forum is an example wherein it is 99% about the wafts of putrid air that blow out of the Bethel Crypt of Lawless Policy and the acting scripts of the Governing Body of a Corpse Long Dead.

SPIRITUALLY BEYOND DEAD.

The Parrot Works and Sampling of the Past, is all for the JW Governing Body Show, to make it look AS IF alive.

But it died a while ago.

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[QUOTE who=”Nedoba “]”Taking in knowledge”……so many mistakenly feel that this means hours and hours’ worth of reading WTS-prepared materials each week, in order to “know God” better. One can be well-versed in what a cubit measures or certain jeweled garments were worn by the ancients of the bible……but all this “head knowledge” really doesn’t increase one’s love for Our Creator, or the loving principles toward our fellow man, brought out in the NT.
It wasn’t until *after* I left the WTS and their incessant “study of many books” (they wrote0 and began an entire;y new and different relationship based on love and appreciation of the Creator and His Son. It’s the “heart knowledge” that draws us closer to those in the heavenly realm. I began to recognize that by following the WTS rules, demands and expectations….. was leaving me further and further away from a growing spirituality that I realized I so needed.
My knowledge of The Father and The Son has increased in my heart by the day…..AFTER I showed them that I was going to heed that life-saving message to “get OUT of her my people”…..and then the waters of truth and understanding of my place here on the earth opened up like escaping floodwaters.
Leaving the WT organization does NOT mean you are leaving God…..He is always there to guide you to the right path….you are only leaving the orders and obedience of man-made rules centering around the ideas and conjecture of seven WTS reps.[/QUOTE]

And even in the “many books” they still managed to water it down to minutia where 80% or more of EVERY Watchtower article is now in some way, not about God or Christ, but about “God” GB, “the slave” and the “Zion” Organization.

One can highlight what the remedial text is about, and the page will be yellow with organizational diversion of faith, to mere men, and their corporate corpse of a UN NGO abomination.

They don’t even play very good “anointed Christians” or even Christians when you read their message to the rank and file to keep them in the line of JW Milk Cows. They have ZERO familial Christian love for the brotherhood, it is right in their empty words and even EMPTIER JW Media Circus, what a sad sad act, joke and DECEPTION, by the “confirmed drunkards” as the ones who are not impostors actually like and drink their own sugary, ear tickling, Kool Aid.

They have even mesmerized themselves with all their pretty “more attractive” idols, that not one thing other than the Bible, is not idolized in the GB Bethel UN NGO PANTHEON of modern idolatry.

And that is why the EAR TICKLING is all it is, the more you tickle a JW Cow ear, the more milke they give.

It is actually sad what the GB has DEVOLVED the ministry into, an act that many can see it an act. The JW Media Governing Body TV Show, as NO NEWS, all middle finger food filler to keep JWs zombified. And it backfired, when some JWs saw those GB Dolts giving dialogue on that ridiculous platform, like CNN on valium, a very poor rendition of JW Mr. Rogers for little JW adult child-like minds, talking to them like IDIOTS at Atascadero, some JWs SAW WITH THEIR OWN EYES the GB spiritual-cadavers that are “leading” this ministry to RUINATION.

The awake Christian literally felt the insult and cult-like propaganda in those “speeches” no where beyond the depth of Mister Rogers, but meant for JW adults; comedic tragedy. At least “Mister Rogers” had some charm, those GB guys look like plastic frauds, they actually LOOK like what they are: LIARS, and hypnotizers.

It is actually sad. I do not blame JWs, for the Captians that have now commandeered the Bethel Titanic, I pray they can escape the ship when it really starts to take on the icewater. They hit the Iceberg, that is too late, but may a few JW get out of that DISASTER IN THE MAKING, NOW!

Heed Matthew 24:15. The UN NGO is that “disgusting thing”, but it fits in well with Bethel’s entire “disgusting thing” idol they too have become.

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The SHOW must go on.

But in the end the will have a “world peace” pow wow to sell people World Government that all of them will join and promote in the UN nucleus. The UN will “go down” and pop up for the new branding model of full World Government.

The Russia distraction will get severe, but it is part of the show.

It is all for the “big problem” to miraculously heal and recover (Rev13:3) into the “big solution” of World Government and the “world peace” a 100% Global Military Monopoly will empower, when Global NATO also assumes their final branding in this process of Russia and China joining the Global Military Monopoly where they can all “rule the world”, just as Scooby and Shaggy and those “meddling kids” warned of.

The world will accept world government like that post WW2 peace celebration, but this one will be global. The show must go on.

8th King World Peace—Guaranteed
https://jwupdate.wordpress.com/2015/05/21/8th-king-world-peace-guaranteed/

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[QUOTE who=”Dogen”]<quoted text>
Another technique you use is to ignore the major points because you can’t respond to them.
Like looking into a mirror for you, isn’t it?[/QUOTE]

What “major points”? The “Jehovah is invalid” minutia? You just stick to your guns even if they are mere diversions, of things such as that that do not matter. Why not go out on a “Jesus is invalid” campaign as well, and Jeremiah and Jonah too?

So what I think it is, is before JWs went apostate themselves, they were pointing out the “foundational truths” of “historic Christianity” is full of mystery religion Babel carry overs, which are easily proven to originate with the Satanic religions of Babel, and on into the Roman system, and on into the “foundations of Christianity” which are merely the “foundation” of the first apostasy.

And you do not like your own apostasy and invalid system of relics, “religion”, being explained in 100 years of excruciating detail. So you have to stick with your mundane beliefs of things that have been proven by JWs for a century, and thus you use the diversions of the pot calling the kettle black.

Christendom will support World Government and its 666 when it emerges, and that is why JWs were warning of the delusions in that system that will lead to global disaster for that institution, as they will then be deposed under the World Government they endorsed.

Now if you want to know how bad it will get on Christendom and their enormous scale, and enormous apostasy, then pay attention to what happens to the little UN NGO Bethel microcosm coming up as the signal warning of more to come. See what happens to the JW org, and you will know what is coming on Christendom, in time, will be worse, total deposition.

All JWs were doing was warning the churches of the trap they are in. Ironically, JWs are now in the same UN NGO trap, as led by the same “governing body” device by which the churches were also subverted.

Same old story, but these will the the global developments that lead to the Christ arrival, AFTER World Government completes. But you cannot see past the nation-state or its main harlot of the churches. But you are not alone, and that is why God will “rock the nations” coming up, to attempt to wake some up, as “his people” are STILL in BTG and Christendom.

(Revelation 18:4) 4 And I heard another voice out of heaven say: “Get out of her, my people, if you do not want to share with her in her sins, and if you do not want to receive part of her plagues.

(Haggai 2:7) “‘And I will rock all the nations, and the desirable things of all the nations must come in; and I will fill this house with glory,’ Jehovah of armies has said.

There will be a final call, and the final rocking, not the end, but just the global rocking, is coming. That “rocking” resolves into World Government, hence the final call and warning revivified to complete that anouncement in time.

JWs can be recovered to aid that announcement, but not with the GB, or their lawless “organizational” burdens. We do not know to what degree God will allow the Bethel ministry to be “trampled” (Dan8:13-14; Dan11:41). It may repent and recover, it may go down entirely, we do not know.

What we do know is it will be a GLOBAL SIGNAL to develop into the FINAL WARNING.
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But it seems the JW organization is what they will down first instead? (1Pet4:17; Dan8:13; Dan11:41)

I mean how many fronts can they possibly fight at one time? BTG? Or little UN-Bethel?

That is the bigger question rather than this premature “the end” baiting of 1 Thessalonians 2:1-2.

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[QUOTE who=”sidgi”]<quoted text>
“Gog” is an individual… Of course not, because if it was so, then all of your focus on Brooklyn would have been for naught. And look at all of the wasted time spent by so-called Christianity of all stripes down through the years. Just head shaking, no?
[/QUOTE]

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The only feature of “Brooklyn” is the apostasy. For it to be an apostasy, it had to have had a valid original message, which will be ongoing once the apostasy and its distracting focus is removed by the initial portion of the coming judgment.

In the meantime they knew enough to know this:

“”That attempted “new world order” which is pushed forward in opposition to and as a substitute for God’s new world under “The King of kings and Lord of lords” is the final expression of the antichrist. Do not look for the antichrist to be an individual man or beast. It is that “new order” organization. The antichrist is here, and its appearance marks the “last time” for this world.”” (The New World; 1942, pg. 126)

At one time JWs used to be well ahead of their time. But no more.

But that above truth will remain, unto World Government, which also fell off the apostate Bethel and JW “radar” of prophecy.

Once that is dealt with in a global development of “prophetic proportions”, the final update will come out as to what it all converges and equates into, that EVERYONE ON EARTH WILL SEE COMING, AND WHEN IT IS COMPLETED: >>>WORLD GOVERNMENT<<<

In that way the final Christ triggering entity completion phase and final rival sovereign entity will become UNdeniable, except to the most stubborn amongst us. They call them “goats”, but they can open their eyes as that process starts any time they desire to see during the whole final cycle of a number of final years. (Dan8:14 timing + Dan12:7 timing (Rev11:2-3; Rev13:5-7))

This is why the best option is for God to let it drag on and on and on, so that all the errors will be naturally filtered out as they fail, because they all employ the “doomsday” impression of Revelation 13:3, but it is premature. (2Thess2:1-2)

By dragging it out like 10 plus years from Bethel signal downfall, the errors will burn out first, as the World Government instead arrives, before Christ arrives. That is the point, World Government will be a global signal final milestone development no one will be able to deny by that time, nor get out of by a premature Christ arrival, or “the end”.

It does not “end” in “doomsday”, it runs the US/EU downfall of the whole nation-state finance system first (Dan11:42-43), to “heal” into World Government final global ascension.

Even Alex Jones knows that much.

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But that it all triggers Christ arrival, is the dot no one is connecting in as explicit and drawn out detail as that long range forecast of the seven trumpet gauge to temple judgment, to world government, to Christ arrival, final sheep securement, and then the “conclusion of this system of things” for complete Messianic Kingdom as triggered by complete World Government.

There is no easy way out for a world that continually chooses such human solutions, and that is why God will give the world, to the New World Order of World Government, for that final “one hour” of permitted global climax defiance. (Rev17:8-13)

The “two witnesses” final warning, BTG and the rest are deposed, one way or another (Rev11:7-10; Rev17:15-18; Rev13:15-18), by World Government’s hand, then Christ conquers that 8th King, King North and Satanic Gog totality, in what converged WHOLE GLOBAL RIVAL SOVEREIGN DEFIANCE to God’s Kingdom.

That is also why complete and globally implemented World Government “WORLD PEACE EVERYONE!” is the final meaning of the world “peace and security” sovereign statement of that world government. (1Thess5:1-3), and why “the end” cannot arrive as long as global wars are present in nation vs. nation meaning. (Matt24:6)

It ends under 8th King “world peace”, the “freedom from care” of Daniel 8:25 parallel, then “the end” will come.

That is the longest range forecast, the rest will fail en route to world government, in which process all Christian prophecy will be discredited year over year by the enemy system capitalizing on such programmed error of misapplied fulfillments, as Bethel WILL BE THE FIRST laughing stock to soon emerge, because their “the end” forecast will not manifest, except on their apostasy.

In such a series of disappointments and premature expectations unrealized, the final cycle will begin to explain itself, it will simply become what it is: WORLD GOVERNMENT, which will trigger Christ, or all life would be toast on Earth. (Matt24:21-22)

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[QUOTE who=”Postit”]<quoted text>
No JW wants to help.[/QUOTE]

First, one must separate truth from human.

The Governing Body Experiment—1944 to Present
https://jwupdate.wordpress.com/2015/08/23/the-governing-body-experiment-1944-to-present/

The GB thing is not the way it always was.

Now if one can separate what they do wrong, from oneself, then one does not have to share in their sins.

But the GB dictatorship does not want to lose control, they even threatened Knorr and Fred Franz, by what happened to Ray Franz, between the lines.

But to God such a Korah GB stunt, to throw Moses Knorr and Aaron Fred Franz to the curb, such an Inquisition has no meaning, the GB is who is cursed.

But as with any judgment of God, he does not do it the next day. In time the crimes start to pile up, in time people put 2 and 2 together, even JWs, and in time the GB is exposed for the EXPERIMENT it was, and how it turned out.

No wonder Fred Franz had this to say in 1979, about the Governing Body coup of 1976:Fred Franz “”went on to say that he had not been in favor of the change then and that from that point forward he had “just been watching” to see what would result.”” (CoC; Ch. 4)… “I never had in mind what the Governing Body wants to do now.” in regard to the 1976 full dictatorial GB stunt.

(1 Timothy 5:24-25) . . .The sins of some men are publicly manifest, leading directly to judgment, but as for other men [their sins] also become manifest later. 25 In the same way also the fine works are publicly manifest and those that are otherwise cannot be kept hid.

The GB has a bigger price to pay, than the average misled or asleep JW. But we will all learn the hard way none the less, for idolizing men, allowing men to idolize themselves, ALWAYS TRIGGERS A JUDGMENT.

ALWAYS!

Just wait and see what God has in store for GB Korah. Just wait. And see.

(Isaiah 28:18-19) And your covenant with Death will certainly be dissolved, and that vision of yours with Sheol will not stand. The overflowing flash flood, when it passes through—you must also become for it a trampling place. 19 As often as it passes through, it will take you men away, because morning by morning it will pass through, during the day and during the night; and it must become nothing but a reason for quaking TO MAKE OTHERS UNDERSTAND what has been heard.” (Dan11:41; Dan8:13-14)

That has to come on Bethel first, because while the GB was paying attention to the GB, they left a few details out about World Government coming and completing before Christ arrives.

World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3; Dan12:11), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

Because Bethel will not divulge that SIMPLE SUMMARY, they are removed first in the process. Bethel is removed first, because Christendom goes down under world government, their global scale is too enormous to be concentrated on at this time. Bethel is the perfect place for a prophetic proportions judgment to occur, and that first and that right soon. (Dan8:13-14; Zech3:1-5; Mal3:1-5; Rev8:3-5)

[QUOTE who=”religion scholar”]<quoted text> Why can’t jw’s question the gb’s writings if they’re wrong ?[/QUOTE]

Because then they would lose their power, because the “governing body” itself is a Christeindom device all the churches employ once they get large enough to have a herd of cows to milk—no questions asked—well no real questions answered.

In fact all religions of corporate scale employ a “governing” “body”, and it aint God at the end of the day:

“”The Mystery Religions each had their secret councils which ruled them, and these councils themselves came under the guidance of a secret supreme Grand Council or Governing Body.””

http://www.whale.to/b/sp/bl.html

The immediate governing body of each church was a college of presbyteri, who possessed the power of the priesthood only – not that of the episcopate.

https://books.google.com/books?id=0BZJAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA640&lpg=PA640&dq=%22The+immediate+governing+body+of+each+church+was+a+college

*** Revelation Grand Climax chap. 33 p. 236 Judging the Infamous Harlot ***

False doctrines believed all around the world have their origin in Babylon.

The “governign body” belief is one of those “false doctrines” go figure.

There is nothing special about the “Governing Body” concept, Babel used it, Christendom uses it, and so does Bethel, to control and subvert their people into apostasy.

(Daniel 11:32) “And those who are acting wickedly against [the] covenant (at Bethel), he (8th King/King North) will lead into apostasy by means of smooth words. (The Bethel “smooth words” 8th King cover-up in the JW publications is part of the smoothly justified apostasy);

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1944: The Governing Body Birthday
https://templelijah.wordpress.com/dan8/how-daniel-812-14-unright-condition-has-been-developed-by-the-profane-governing-body-since-1944/

“”All bishops of the Episcopal Church, active or retired, make up the House of Bishops. The House of Bishops has nearly 300 active members and comprises half of the governing body of the Episcopal Church. Like the governing body of the United States, the governing body of the Episcopal Church (called “the General Convention”) is comprised of two Houses: the House of Bishops and the House of Deputies. They meet and act separately, and both Houses must concur to adopt legislation. General Convention meets every three years, and the House of Bishops meets twice a year between conventions in a non-legislative capacity. The Presiding Bishop is the president of the House of Bishops.””

http://www.episcopalchurch.org/page/house-bishops

Same Bethel Corporate DNA

“House of Bishops”= Watchtower Society, and so on. All the big churches are run the same way. Ever wonder why Bethel also joined the UN as UN NGO? A “Governing Body” decision, that is how.

It’s all the SAME thing. Bethel just sells their Monopoly as if “Theocratic Organization”, wherein the GB is the “Theocracy”, cloaked as usual in “sheep skin”, tailored for the JW version of modern Christian apostasy.

“Governing Bodies” are used to manage apostasies in the churches. Same story with Bethel since 1944, especially since 1976.

Now it will be time to reap, what it is Bethel has actually been “sowing”. Weeds is what Bethel sows in as well.

[QUOTE who=”Postit”]<quoted text>
No JW wants to help.[/QUOTE]

Believe it or not, many JWs are asking THEMSELVES this same question.

Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society – just a shell company
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-witness/TCMN73O1KC3CLCB62

This is because before the “house judgment” (Dan8:13-14, Dan11:41; 1Pet4:!7), God will expose the real Bethel state to many JWs. (Matt24:15)

In time, it will get worse, and later it will become undeniable.

Connecting Bethel Lawlessness to Final Prophecy
http://templelijah.wordpress.com/more-man-of-lawlessness/connecting-bethel-lawlessness-to-final-prophecy/

Daniel 8:13-14 Details the Coming Temple Judgment of Jehovah’s Witnesses
http://templelijah.wordpress.com/dan8/daniel-813-14-details-the-coming-temple-judgment-of-jehovahs-witnesses/

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[QUOTE who=”Cindy”]<quoted text>
And yet the biggest cult of all is the jehovah witnesses. You are a disfellowshipped jw. Disfellowshipped for fornication.[/QUOTE]

Not really. JWs are THE LATEST cult. The “governing body” device is also used by the churches, with the same outcome, so they are the first example of cults, who can now lax up on the threats, because most of the zombies are already hypnotized.

That is why the Catholics eased up on the Inquisition and threats, the cult of apostasy was in time all on “auto pilot”.

And that is why the GB, post 1944, had to come in in 1976, to install a network of fear and coercion first, still in classic Cult Phase 1, until JWs can also go on “auto pilot”, as many are now such a zombie.

But with the JW GB, it is so new, they need to keep up the Threat Network and Shunning Shepherd’s Staff, to keep their own fresh scene of the crime protected, and to silence any JW feedback from dfd who would like to say the GB is the problem, as then they would lose their paychecks.

So JWs are unique in certain ways, yet the same as the rest of the churches in other ways, except the churches have been drinking the Kool Aid for centuries; JWs for a few decades, and that makes all the difference in the world as to what makes the fresh JW cult of apostasy so unique for its own time.

At the end of the day, it is ALL the same pod, merely divided into peas of apostasy, in all it’s varied flavors, by GB spices, from the church GBs all over the place.

The GB is the core error that slipped by JWs, very slyly, because GBs are Standard Operating Procedure for pretty much ALL the corporate churches.

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[QUOTE who=”J”]<quoted text>
And when as the last time Russia or China launched a nuclear war head on en entire city?
Yet there are nations out there who if they get THIER hands on one will not hesitate [/QUOTE]

They want people to think that, that is why ONLY who they want get a nuke. Then, when like 911, they pop one off for a “false flag”, they can blame it in some nation, when nukes are as guarded as gold.

The only groups getting nukes are ones they want to control for the next phase of their game.

IF they go that route, which Obama says he worries more of a “nuclear device detonating in Manhattan” than he worries about Russia, and it was no sarcasm when he said it.

OBAMA “A Nuclear Weapon Going Off In Manhattan”

And the why he would say such a thing, get’s into the setup, of what was just explained as far as who has nukes. It boils down to the truth the “terrorists” are in reality the Neo-Con Globalists, because it all equates to World Government by use of global crisis, one after another, until they are set in place as the total “global solution”.

It is the whole base Alex Jones and David Icke 101 basics of how world government is brought in. But they are not the only ones who explain the “Hegelian Dialectic” in use of world war, terrorist events, and other various disasters.

They NEVER let a good crisis go to waste. Thus the incentive for them to engineered crisis, goes without saying, it has helped them install a US Police State, bar none, “for our security”. They play people like fiddles.

David Icke – Problem Reaction Solution – Hegelian Dialectic and Terrorism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nad6lTWCHFo

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> Elisha knew and he received confirmation of the armies of God was with him. I
> pray continually for insight. We personally receive confirmation God of armies
> is with us. My Token was written by the Holy Spirit giving me insight because
> 90 percent of what I wrote I did not know two years prior. It was a personal
> confirmation God was real. Most of my second manifest was about the Truth about
> the Eucharist and how satan tries to blind the world to believe he is the
> everlasting-life-giver instead of the Blood union with Jesus. He has blinded
> everyone as you said by their own desires. Soon it will be confirmed to
> everyone he is a failure. We know about HAARP and how he gave man the
> technology to control weather and to destroy the environment like what has
> happened to Japan with typhoon Etau. Also the Syrian refugee crisixs because of
> genecide from war. I feel helpless as I watch these disasters unfold. All I do
> is pray. May God show us as He did Elisha He will come and judge KN who is
> satan.
> Agape

I am noticing “2012” really was a year of “awakening”. That was the year to full depth of the Bethel internal condition was not “I wonder if”, but just as Daniel 11:32 says, and when King North was no longer a guessing game, but became completely obvious it can only be one thing.

It took me 14 months prior to that to get warmed up enough, when I started at Topix and the Web I was out “preaching”, and finding excuses for the GB, still defending them, felling a little “guilty” for even being out on the internet.

Once out there all the dirty laUNdry started to come out, as well as the veins of globalism research, 911 truths, etc, and soon I wondered why the GB was ignoring all this HUGE NEWS. Then one end, connected to the other end of their rope, and the whole thing tied together as to why they are silent.

But by the time they pulled the GB=FDS thing, I knew they were there, so in the perfect timing that was the required PUBLIC blasphemy signal to meet exact prophecy in grand fashion. It was like a “sign from God” to cap off the that period, because it was a global “lift up” of ridiculous claims and proportions. Then it was fully affirmed, it is worse than it looked, INSIDE of Bethel.

And then it just kept getting clearer it was all in Daniel 8:11-14, and Dan11:30-35 with that 3rd UN cover up of 1990, CO-DEVELOPMENT of a key apostasy WITH a key UN event ignored for a UN NGO, which UN NGO I came across in 2011, I never had seen it until then, when I was preaching in 2011, before “awakening”, and came across it on the web.

Then I came across the Awake! 9/8/1991, and that development I could not just sweep UNder the rug. But it had to sit in my shoe like a rock for a while. I was going to meetings up until Mar 2013, when I got a way to get out totally. Because it was getting difficult, knowing what I knew, and no way could I go to that “house” any longer.

But Daniel 8 and 11 is also what they updated (8) in Pay [NO] Attention to Daniel’s Prophecy book, and just continued the WW2 to USSR bypass of reality in the very prophecies that foretell their relationship with UN KN, KOFC, all co-developing.

And they fully aligned Daniel 8:14, to 1944, and the “organizational changes to become more theocratic” as “how the holy place has been brought into the right condition” since 1944. We know 1944 is when the GB term was first put in print, but they do not mention that.

So they are saying, between the lines, the GB abomination, born 1944, also coincides with “bringing the sanctuary to the right condition” in Dan8:14.

Thus they are saying the very thing THAT POLLUTED GOD’S TEMPLE, is rather, the purification by becoming a “theocratic organization” DICTATORSHIP!

2/2

So this is very important. In the future, when Bethel has to deal with the real Daniel 8:13-14, brought on the place due to the “wrong condition” brought in by the GB, Daniel 8:13-14 will be brought out to the open.

God will bring it out, but it is brought out to them as well, in time, imo. Meaning those who can repent if they address the real issue fully, GB and UN NGO are both abominations, and there can be no skirting the issue. (In my speculation God may allow some repentance from some scrap of the JW ministry in that “organization” after it is decimated to the proper degree, or entirely, I do not know.)

But I do not want to cut out faithful brothers and sisters being misled into error, when they are not all “in on it” imo. Some Bethel higher ups, GB, etc are total impostors and irrecoverable apostates, that is true, but I feel God will call some at these levels, to repentance, so Daniel 8:13-14 reality will have to be addressed by these brothers, if my opinion pans out.

God may very well just scrap the whole thing! I DO NOT know, so I have to play all the angles, and recall when the ministry was alright in God’s sight. Rutherford gets maligned much, no one is perfect but Christ, but that BROTHER held that motley crew together as long as he could as aided by God, and by God if he did not EXPOSE the first UN prophecy and with enough GUMPTION to “gitterdone” so Knorr and Franz could EXPOSE the 2nd UN placement! And I think God will clear his name for THAT UN RECORD of staunch exposure and prophetic truth of the UN reality being told as it happened! Them brothers and sisters got the job required done!

After that 1942 JF Rutherford death, the GB 1944 popped up—and the rest is a downward spiral into UN silence and partnership.

The GB kicks both Rutherford and Knorr in the face, and Fred Franz too, and all JWs in fact. It is an INSULT to God, Christ and men, it is a Babel concept of “mystery religion” “group management”, they ALL have and had “governing bodies”, as well as Christendom too, because the very concept is NOT present in Acts 15, but it is present in ancient Babel! “Theocracy” is actually “rule by a powerful priesthood”, PROFANATION, 1944 first budding cell.

In time the truth has to come out, explaining the context of its last prophetic progress as far as how this ministry devolved. By this candid history of the “org”, the other details can be compelling for the real Daniel 8:13-14, to those who have been following this development, even if misled by it, for years. I am assuming God will call some deeper in the “onion” not only to account, but to repentance, because if they admit it, they are in a good position to understand the real Daniel 8 and 11 reality, because they have seen its effects more deeply in the organization, even if it is later the trampling they start to have their eyes fully opened. It is just something I have been wondering about.

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On September 22, 15, Lordylordy9111 wrote:
> I am impressed with how much Bethel UN apostasy you comprehend and you have
> just left in March of 2013. I left in April 2012 when I partook for the first
> time at my home. I was barely getting what Jesus union meant and I really
> didn’t understand Bethel apostasy until I began reading your post and realized
> you were really on to how bad the apostasy was and how all the mechanism works
> with KN. I am getting a clear understanding of it and I really am impressed
> with your understanding of it.
>
> My understanding is how Jesus is working with the anointed who are having to
> warn God’s people of the apostasy and tell them the truth. This is not easy
> because in satan’s world the Truth is wrong and despised.
>
> Where you anointed before March 2013?
>
> I will keep praying much and Zechariah 12:10 says we must keep wailing in
> lamentations for the One who is Jesus (Zechariah 9:9).
>
> Agape

Which reminds me who I forgot to give credit to, GOD and Christ. Which was the whole point of the post until I diverged. That God has to be involved with our “awakening”, and it seems new anointed see it first. I think I was anointed from 1992, but it was not a realization in full until later, because I was doing heavy research in 1992 and for a few years, to “prove the truth to myself” so to speak, and realized the true importance of the 1260 and 1290 days in that preview cycle. That had they kept Rutherford and the rest in prison, the League would not have been exposed or the UN, it was a covert miracle of God, for that exact reason.

So the basis of Russell’s realization of the appointed times, and the merging into the first witnessing, is indeed foundational truth that God will not allow to be changed, because that whole UN exposing ministry, is valid to that point of 2nd UN exposure. Fred Franz summarized it all and drilled it in.

But by the time of the 3rd UN prophecy and event, they were a GB controlled oevrride, and that is when they “acted effectively” and “acted and had success” to cover up the UN 3, hence breaking the actual UN1-2-3 meaning. And so the state JWs are at now.

The KN boys plan to try to keep UN 3-4 all silent for good. But once again a covert miracle will occur, for the “second witness”, even if God has to send out angels to open the opportunity and make that second witness emerge from God. It WILL occur, it will tie UN1-2 to UN3-4, and expose it before they climax in those final sovereign converging prophecies.

But after I publicly partook in 2012, is when it all opened up literally with no doubts, so I know God was the one giving the insights from the very prophecies they now bury at Bethel, hence “throwing truth to the earth” in Dan8:12.

Dan 8:12 and 11:30-35 have the whole story, in very little words with GRADUAL SUBVERSION, KN infiltration and “leaving the holy covenant” meaning, right at that 3rd UN event also in those prophecies as Daniel sets up UN3-4 in explicit details, that will parallel final Rev13 and Rev 17 events.

So you comprehending this to the degree you do, I know God is truly aiding you, because anointed have to fully see it first, to form the recovery clarification that WILL come to the full, no matter how God may do it.

But we have to be flexible. For example not allowing “the org” to distract us, because it was a tool, just like a Christendom Bible printing press before them, that God has used for His purpose. BUT the tool, can never exult itself to divine status as Bethel has done, and as Christendom also does. God can use any tool He wants, and if kept in place as a mundane tool that it is, it does not eclipse the focus, as Bethel has done.

That is why I cannot say to what degree God will allow Bethel to be decimated. He may wipe it off the map. But we must remember there are actaul anointed and brothers and sisters at many levels above the congregational network. And there are well more than 7 million, imo, who are now dependent on the Bethel information network. Now true God can use angels and holy spirit, but God also often used the “path of most resistance”, that is humans and physical tools to get the job done.

And I know God is not just going to abandon overridden and kidnapped sheep, to the contrary, He will be the Shepherd to put down the “valueless shepherd” and their duplicitous works as the shepherds of the KN JW “flock meant for the killing”. God will have to rescue “Judah”, while allowing “the royal rule of the house of Israel” at the Bethel abomination, to go down, as per Hosea 1:4-7.

But by superhuman means :

(Hosea 1:7) But to the house of Judah I shall show mercy, and I will save them by Jehovah their God; but I shall not save them by a bow or by a sword or by war, by horses or by horsemen.”

He will do just that. The whole “Assyrian” attack pattern, to be halted by the “angel of God”, is the Hosea and Isaiah patterns applicable to the temple judgment, that WILL manifest on Bethel, and the “Judah” meaning of dispersed JWs, in various states of being misled, or already fled (Matt24:15), or to be stumbled (Dan11:41). Because a mass stumbling event is what will form, when the Bethel “prophecy” fully and truly fails big time.

See, in reality JWs are in a true PREDICAMENT. Much more MUST BE SAID, the ministry is aborted and not complete! And JWs have to be fully clued in, in time, and that will require a miracle in the way God does it, for He will intervene for the recovery. JWs cannot just stay stalled and in apostasy, and this is dead serious, because that is what KN will want to cap off as permanent. BUT they will run into a certain problem, the cleansing “angel” will visit them, after the full accounting “evening” is complete (Dan8:14), but only to open the final warning opportunity.

That is why angels are all over the temple judgment prophecies. The angels will go out, and clear the “Assyrian” as they try to also take “Jerusalem” in the same anti-Israel (JW org) illegal “royal rule” that God will allow to be ceased, but they will try to overextend the judgment, to all JWs, and God will NOT allow that; as per the “185,000 Assyrians” stopped by the “Destroyer”, they have to be stopped, or else JWs would be full toast. So in the same covert manner, God will stop the Assyrian, in ways He perfectly understands how to stop their then anti-JW global operation.

And KN will get a hint as well, of who is back “in the Temple”, they will get a preview, just like Assyria, as God allows the final warning to fully emerge, to complete the “second witness”. It is all in the prophets who foretold the 740 BCE judgment on Israel, because it was the first judgment of God on His own house, as a warning to all Jerusalem, who eventually fell in 607. The things in Isaiah, Hosea, Micah, Amos and Joel become applicable, where they apply, to this first judgment cycle on God’s house, with important details.

Of course them applying 1944 GB corruptions and the “theocratic organization” cover story to Daniel 8:14 (a blasphemy), means all of Daniel 8:13-14 must fulfill in the future, because they are not the “right condition” by these post 1944 developments, they are in the wrong condition by means of GB and “org adjustments” that actually formed the opposite effect: total profanation and subversion! And yet they have the Satanic audacity and blasphemous irony, to claim all this GB and org garbage is how the Daniel 8:14 “right condition” “has been met brothers!”. The exact OPPOSITE is what formed by these GB and “org adjustments”.

Which will bring the focus on Daniel 8:13-14 reality in the future as far as the organization having to come to grips with reality. But for global awareness, of course the real Daniel 8:13-14 is the temple judgment parallel of Revelation 8 final fulfillment beginning. In this way the “seven trumpets” have TWO timed periods, as Daniel 8:14 timing, BEGINS Revelation 8, in the temple judgment events and eventual news of the first 4 trumpets, WELL BEFORE the REAL 1260 days begins. In that way the seven trumpets will become a gauge to where we are in the stream of prophecy and time and globalist maturation.

I tell you this because God allowing this to drag out for a while, is how the premature 1260 days forecasters will be allowed to fail, year over year, as Daniel 8:14 timing, 3.19 or 6.38 years, I think 6.38, 3 years darkness “evening” (abyss), 3 years “morning” light (Rev9 abyss opens), is what will actually be STARTING (not the 1260 days yet). The people thinking the org trampling is the 1260 days, will play their 1260day card too soon. Instead Daniel 8:13-14 is what will be coming, and running the full course of the timing of Daniel 8:14. (Dan8:26, “it is true”, as “the evening” first phase, and “the morning” recovery phase final temple recovery mode.)

Of course RECOVERY OF TRUTH is required BEFORE the fully valid “second witness” 1260 days can actually proceed. And that recovery will take some time. And for those now being MISLED to think JWs NEVER HAD ANY TRUTH, and “1914 is a delusion”, of course they will not see the need for a “recovery”, because they think there was nothing valid there anyways!

But we know what is valid, and what is error, and what God must recover first as prophecy truth, hence the reason why Daniel 8:13-14 events and timing will fulfill Revelation 8 repeating, en route to Revelation 8-11 repeating, to a second witness can also REPEAT. And because we recognize the first witness and first cycle validity and meaning, we have the final cycle ALREADY EXPLAINED for us, by those first brothers from God. Because it is the same thing, but this time to the climax 8th King and KN defiance. They repeat cycles, and God repeats the prophecy, as they repeat their world government cycle the final time!

All we do is update UN3-4 reality from 1990 that they have been covering up! The real awareness is not an “interpretation”, it is the AWARENESS IT ALL REPEATS! The first witness, very important for this reason, already explained the globalist cycle formula “sword stroke” to “healing” to present their KN/8K “solution” to the world! It is ALL in the first cycle! Hence the validity of the 1260 days that started the cycle at that time!

This time the trumpets will run in full 1-7 order, as Daniel 8:14 starts the final cycle timing with Rev8-9, Rev8 “evening”, Rev9 “morning”, en route the the final 1260 days of Rev 11:2-3, AFTER full truth recovery (Rev8-9 explanations exposing Bethel), for final divine commission (Rev10), for the finale “second witness” (Rev11:1-7) and on to the very KN/8K entity it will all be warning of! And God will make sure, the “second witness” warning is given, and perfectly ties to the 1914-1919 “first witness” truth, because truth it is, and it is the same CYCLE meaning! But this time they finish their global-abomination as foretold and previewed in the first cycle!

And by the seven trumpets registering with Dan8:14 timing, then 1260 day time, then Dan12:11 1290 day timing, we can know the approximate world events that trigger the Christ arrival in the 1290 days dual criteria met in Daniel 12:11. Thus the whole 1290 days must be open for salvation, as Christ completes his own minsitry and Reveltion 14 is the post Christ arrival sequence that also begins in an active 1290 days period in progress to some degree. The “degree” of the final symbolic period of timeto precede the Christ arrival, the “death” state of the “two witnesses” “three and a half days”. When that 3.5 days symbolic period expires, while it is after the 1260 days completed (Rev11:7), thus in the 1290 days it merges into, then Christ arrives.

We can register all this y respecting the first witness meanings and valid concepts all previewed by the JW ministry for quite some time now. Thus God does not need to “invent a new wheel”, He just gets the same wheel rolling again, the same “oil”, the same light re-lit for the final warning and open salvation call, all based on the “first witness”, and thus the whole can be recovered as one full truth:

(Revelation 10:6-7) he swore: “There will be no delay any longer; 7 but in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to blow his trumpet, the sacred secret of God according to the good news which he declared to his own slaves the prophets is indeed brought to a finish.”

(Isaiah 48:6-7) You have heard. Behold it all. As for you people, will you not tell [it]? I have made you hear new things from the present time, even things kept in reserve, that you have not known. 7 At the present time they must be created, and not from that time, even things that before today you have not heard, that you may not say, ‘Look! I have already known them.’

See, many JWs already know this. They just do not know they know it. So when God REPEATS it, a second time, it will then make sense, the light of “morning” will arrive to JWs, who actually are already primed to understand it, once they are told, and after big anti-JW-org events will eventually  make it the only real explanation. But as bad as it may get, it actually is truly “good news”. JWs and others can know where they are in the Christ arrival radar of prophecy.

(Isaiah 42:9) . . .“The first things—here they have come, but new things I am telling out. Before they begin to spring up, I cause you people to hear [them].”

(Isaiah 43:18-19) 18 “Do not remember the first things (1914-1919), and to the former things do not turn your consideration. 19 Look! I am doing something new. Now it will spring up. you people will know it, will you not?

So “inventing a new religion”, when it is one faith and prophecy in reality summing up, is not the best way to get this done in God’s sight. He is just REPEATING the “first witness” TRUTH, for the “second witness” reality, by easily understood basic concepts like that. TWO witnesses. Makes sense! And it removes all anxiety of “being right”, it was ALREADY RIGHT, God just needs to revive it for the second time. It is what it is, God will uphold the “first witness” truth in time, fully, in the “second witness” wrap up. No need to worry, God will cause it to occur, and remove the errors, while allowing others to repent and see it, whether new to it or old to it, TWO witnessings makes sense! It is actually easy to see in its simplest meaning!. No need to throw out the Baby with the bathwater!

On September 22, 15, Lordylordy9111 wrote:
> The Bethel leadership was good up to Franz because I believe he would have made
> an attempt to clear Bethel wrong doing in some way and not the cover-up we see
> by the GB today as if nothing is wrong. I don’t expect to see the GB to repent
> and to repent would mean they would have to openly confess their apostasy of UN
> fornication and covering up pedophiles and blaming victims. Repentance would
> require the GB to remove harsh penalties such as disfellowshing used against
> victims of sexual abuse. They have a lot of accounting to do and I just can’t
> see them humbling themselves to say they were wrong and remove punishments used
> for control.
>
> I believe there are true Christians still in JW and Bethel and when Daniel
> 8:13-14 becomes fulfilled they will see Israel’s errors and will be moved to
> repents and embrace the reconsecration of anointed order and leadership. It
> will not be a sheepfold lorded over like it is now. I really look foreward to
> the reconsecration of God’s people.
>
> The “two witnesses” I believe they are the modern day Joshua and Zerubbabel
> (Zechariah 4:3) and the “two witnesses” in Revelation 11.
>
> Who do you think are the “two witnesses” are today mentioned at Daniel 8:13-14?
>
>
> They will be some one like you and me warning God’s people, informing them of
> the reconsecration, and warning the world who really is KN in a prolific way
> that makes people notice. I have got noticed through my manifesto. You on the
> internet. Also Robert King on the internet.
>
> How many do we know doing that today?
>
> You, me, and Robert King. Not a lot is there.
>
> Agape

The very second the USSR fell, Fred Franz KNEW King North is not the USSR. ANd when the real KN “placed the disgusting thing”, he KNEW who KN really is! That is why he “died” on a second Satanic “holy day” Dec 21 season, 1992. They MADE SURE he could say nothing. It was a COUP! I don’t care if the guy was 99, he could have lived to be 107 imo. Divine aid and clean living! LOL

But God had to permit this, so that when the stagnant apostasy does get dealt with, the real summary will be MIND BLOWING!

Now the GB has to go as far as any claims of divinity, it is a Babel based device:

“”The Mystery Religions each had their secret councils which ruled them, and these councils themselves came under the guidance of a secret supreme Grand Council or Governing Body.””

http://www.whale.to/b/sp/bl.html

THAT GB THING is the “error” God allowed to get in place. There is no GB at Acts 15, Christendom taught all that first:

Pulpit Commentary (Acts 15:2)

“”The apostles and elders. This phrase marks the constitution of the governing part of the Church of Jerusalem.””

Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges (Acts 15:2)

“”These with the elders appear now as the governing body of the infant church.””

http://biblehub.com/commentaries/acts/15-2.htm

GB’s are how the Christendom clergy is run and defined!!!!!

The GB concept and entity is the ROOT OF THE PROBLEM!!!!

And personal prominence was their downfall, before KN fully took over! So we MUST learn that lesson!

God gets the credit, and Christ. Then the “anointed body of the Christ” has to get the awareness, and be the final agency of any terming, it cannot devolve in into “Human Show” again, as far as a GB or individual attempting prominence. The MOTIVE is what I mean, if one tries to get limelight, like the GB, God will know the motive.

So we need to LEARN FROM THE GB MISTAKE!!!! Of course Russell, Rutherford, Knorr and Fred Franz were going to become known, just like Paul, not because they chose it, but because it was religious history being made and observed. It was the GB who started to envy that very thing, not because it was mere history being made, but to get their names also “in the paper”. It was GLORY HOUNDING! Plain and simple! And the GB orifice was already the platform since 1944, to slip it in, as if “in Acts 15”, when in fact ALL OF CHRISTENDOM IS RUN BY GB’S!!!!

It SLIPPED IN by accident, but God permitted it, and from KN standpoint IT WAS NO ACCIDENT!

We just let God let it “drop in from the sky” for the anointed body, and then everyone else has to be told. KN will try to make it complicated, and use the same temptations and distractions of controversy. But when God is done judging the place, all valid complaints will be quelled by that justice. BUT a GLOBAL APOLOGY and rectifying the error MUST be made. The first rectification is ADMITTING the error!

Of course if we cannot make full admission and disclosure, then the prophecy stays hidden for it REQUIRES that exposure, candid and honest! Thus anyone trying to stay in denial, will also deny the prophecy! But when we admit it, the prophecy fulfillment becomes seen, and explained in that admission, the whole meaning of the first 4 trumpets that explain, IN DETAIL, the house apostasy! Just like they did with the Christendom apostasy! But this time it is Bethel APOSTASY that has to be admitted, disclosed and rectified.

To repent we have to admit to God our own personal and communal guilt in all this! HONESTY is the thing needed in the full. ANd lack of honesty is why it gets so well covered up for now! Admission is what is coming after a “sleep”, as these are the “two witnesses” as a picture of all anointed carrying out this mission, after the Matthew 25:5 “nodded off” fully wakes up::

(Zechariah 4:1) And the angel who was speaking with me proceeded to come back and wake me up, like a man that is awakened from his sleep.

(Revelation 11:1) Get up!!!!!

So the “five discreet virgins” have to light up again, after that well foretold nap, for the final waning.

HONEST ADMISSION will be key to God accepting the repentance quickly for individuals. Time will be given as this runs its course to recover severely stumbled and beaten sheep.

IF Bethel is involved, which they may be (but individuals will certainly be), TOTAL REPENTANCE, and FULL ADMISSION and TOTAL RECTIFICATION would most certainly be the first requirement! There is no skirting the GB Abomination issue! As far as the collective entity that CANNOT be in God’s house, in any way claiming divinity. It was the very KN means by which the ministry was LOST!

So I think we can see the ENORMITY of shame and required eye opening this will require from JWs (in general), to get into the actual “right condition”, in which ADMISSION is the first step to having eyes opened.

As far as King, he cannot keep saying “1914 is a delusion”, at present he is calling doubt on the “first witness”. To tell you the truth, he may be MI6, CIA or Mason. I do not really know what King is about. He admits part of the truth, while discrediting the first witnessing, yet he will not just complete the whole story, and he buys the 911 official story, which makes me highly suspect.

I do not consider people who cannot see 911 for what it is, it is that big a deal to me. That really made me start to doubt King, when he upholds the KN 911 official story. I am like, how much can he see if he can’t see 911 EXPLOSIONS in plain sight??? I start to get the feeling he is an act, to trap some wandering JWs later, and to help them dump the oil of the first witness all the while.

But God is judge, not me, he may just need to be called to the bigger truth, as that is the purpose of this whole development. I do not know what he is up to, to tell you the truth of my opinion on that partial exposure, just enough to give credence to the “1914 is a delusion” KN goal at that end of the ministry discrediting process. But I think he too will apply the 1260 days to soon, and his forecast will also have to fail, before he wakes up, imo. (But that is just my opinion, I have not seen how he is mapping that yet)

E-JW “Joshua Stone” is another JW out there. But he has blatant Masonic agent signs. And he tells JWs to stay in the org, which is not good. But he will definitely apply the 1260 days to soon, as he shows how he maps that forecast.

Daniel 8:14 will test us all out, I know the forecast MUST be tested, and in drawn out events that leave but one explanation, for the most stubborn out there, that God will still be appealing to, THE WHOLE TIME! It is all about repenting, admitting, and BROADENING THE SALVATION MESSAGE WIDE OPEN!!!

The message MEAT must be SALVATION, and Bethel judgment, not “hold Armageddon gun to you head” distraction any longer. If people cannot understand that will be meeting Christ ONE ON ONE, how is an “org” going to keep us in line????

It is not, time to free up the truth and JWs, and quite the “holier than thou TOTAL ACT!!!!!!”. Time to take the training wheels off, and let fly the OPEN SALVATION TOTALLY FREE MESSAGE!!! EVERYTHING else will “explain itself” in the prophecy and by HUGE world events heading to World Government!

But we need to let God and Christ handle it, and they will, we just want to be found “discreet virgins” and flexible to how they accomplish this final witnessing certainty. Many LIES AND BURDENS must be dumped and condemned, but we can’t throw out the baby with the dirty bathwater.

God will cause the most important things to emerge in time, and he will send Gabriel if need be to flatten any obstacles, no joke!

(Zechariah 4:6-7) Accordingly he answered and said to me: “This is the word of Jehovah to Zerubbabel, saying, ‘“Not by a military force, nor by power, but by my spirit,” Jehovah of armies has said. 7 Who are you, O great mountain? Before Zerubbabel [you will become] a level land. And he will certainly bring forth the headstone. There will be shoutings to it: “How charming! How charming!”’”

THAT is why AT THIS TIME, God’s angels:

(Zechariah 1:8) “I saw [in] the night, and, look! a man riding on a red horse, and he was standing still among the myrtle trees that were in the deep place; and behind him there were horses red, bright red, and white.”

Are around “Jerusalem”, in the NIGHT, in the “DEEP PLACE”, [ready] for the time they will be needed to help recover this ministry, but getting rid of key obstacles LITERALLY, when need be. They are HERE NOW, ready for temple judgment. They are friends, they are out from Christ to MAKE SURE what needs to emerge, in time, will emerge (Rev9), and what needs to be flattened, will also be flattened, just enough to open the final warning period.

And this is because KN is in JWs, true, but he is no dummy, he is also outside of JWs, with secondary traps, looking for lost sheep, to try to get them first. This is real. KN KNOWS what lost sheep are looking for, and he is there to give it to them, that is “truth”, that is not really the whole truth.

We need to be careful. The truth is the 1914-1919 cycle is valid and will not be changed by God, plain and simple. It was the truth, it is the truth, and that is why KN discredits that truth without let up!

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> Some of the scriptures use of numbers do not indicate specifically and those
> anointed must try to figure out its meaning and Daniel 12:11-12 numbers 1290
> and 1335 are just that. I personally conclude they are days allotted satan
> during the time of the “two witnesses” in Revelation 11 and will parallel this
> time. It is all coming full circle imo. God will sanctify His Holy name that
> has been befouled by Bethel and satan.
>
> I believe the 1290 and 1335 are concluding imo. God will cleanse His servant
> and His Holy name. Cleasing His servant is also cleansing His Holy name because
> they are His visual representatives on earth as is satan’s representatives. We
> would think satan was weak if the UN was weak because it represents him and it
> is this way for God’s representatives. We reflect Jehovah. So by cleasing our
> declining state He sanctifies Himself and allows the sheepfold to see the
> reconsecration of His house on earth. It is big stuff in the future for God and
> His people.
>
> Agape

The 1260 days cross refs Dan7:25, 12:7, Rev11:2-3, Rev13:5-7, Rev12:14. That tells us much.

Knowing it starts with Dan 8:14 bases Rev8.

Dan12:11 dual criteria tells us 1. the “constant feature removed” is the cleansed final witnessing ceased as Rev11:7.

2. The “place the DT” in Dan 12:11, is the final 8K/KN event the witnessing will be warning of: world government.

It respects the first pattern meaning, updated for Bethel apostasy and world government, as temple judgment kicks it off.

Daniel 8:13-14 is God’s “curve ball”, and its timing is because of the errors it will filter out. It is the “trick” to the whole final cycle initializing meaning. Many forecasts will fail during Daniel 8:14 timing.

Two witnesses, and BTG going down, are all under ascending to ascended world government, depp 6th to 7th plague events, 2witnesses deposed first, with a second totally valid ministry ceased.

Christendom is too huge, it has to go down in BTG, under world government, it will be horrific, and some will be saved still “my people” in that BTG whole even to the end, hence Reve 14:6-7, preceding Rev 14:8 BTG has fallen final announcement.

Rev14:6-7 is Christ in power, securing final sheep globally.

The point is, Christ secures sheep FIRST, the end, is totally at “the end” of the whole process, hence Rev14:17-20.

The more one thinks about it, the more it will fall into place.

FYI, those trying to explain the “seven seals” as if they “open in the future” in that sequence, will get thrown off. The “seven seals” opened in 1914 to Christ, it is unsealed divine secrets for the lamb to carry out the “seven trumpets” as he has, and as he will in the future, in order this time.

As we see, Bethel red Rev book explains things from 7th trumpet, then backwards, 7-5-6-4-3-2-1. It is not because it is “wrong”, it is because it is the preview. The final cycle is 1-7 in order of events they mark. Christ arrives during the 6th trumpet, BEFORE the total conquest of trumpet 7, hence Rev10:5-8 “when he is ABOUT TO BLOW his trumpet”, BEFORE the 7th.

But much time is given, because all forecasts will be totally put to the test over final years of the final cycle. As it proceeds, it will a step at a time, start to explain itself.

For example once Bethel is judged, and there premature end delusion fails FIRST, it will cause quite a stir among JWs. They will have to wait for Daniel 8:14 to run its course. As it does, any premature 1260 day forecasts will then also fail.

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God will cause those events, to be explained before the real 1260 days can start, by divine decree (Rev10:5-11, parallel Zech3:6-8).

The 1260 days MUST be able to explain the Bethel downfall for UN NGO “transgression causing desolation” (Dan8:13), and fully expose Bethel’s real state and apostasy, as chapter 1 of the “little scroll”, all in the first 4 trumpets.

God may very well recover in the very place his name was profaned. We wil have to wait and see. But I am not going to say the org is already 100% condemned, it may be, it may not be, imo.

But just be patient, this is why God is dragging this out, he has to to allow errors to fail on their own. Pay attention to Daniel 8:13-14 and Reve8 very very closely and constantly. Of course Zech3:1-5, and Mal3:1-5 are temple purification parallels with Rev8:3-5, Dan8:13-14.

True divine PURITY means the whole truth must be comprehended and spoken as such to the degree God approves and requires: the final warning preparation is the purpose of Daniel 8:13-14.

Of course those who believe JWs are “all bunk from the start”, will not see the purification and clarification REQUIREMENT as necessary in regard to the first witness. NEVER DOUBT the first witness! IT is STILL under attack, that si how valid it is!!!

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> It can make you wonder and ask what will it become. I know God will let us
> know. He has already written it out. If He holds onto the watchtower or if the
> watchtower expires forever God has already decided. We we find out what He
> wants to do.
>
> I will say that I feel God is going to let it expire because the bed He made
> with the watchtower has been made into a bed of fornication. Just like the two
> tabernacles in 607 bc they were destroyed for the same thing. This is my
> opinion and may not happen. We have to remove the state of the people which
> came to be befouled at Bethel. Reconsecration my mean a complete overhall. This
> means no more watchtower and no more Bethel and no more group called JW
> although the “two witnesses” came from Bethel and follow the foundations made
> from its beginning. Yes Rutherford and Knorr did hold the fort together in
> Truth and Spirit with their faults and weaknesses. The same cannot be said
> about the GB.

The end of “A system of things”, Matt13:36-42. It may be the end of Bethel. But I find ones it may be purified in the place where the connection to judgment, and recovery, can be made, ultimately anointed.

But God will decide, as he will offer repentance to all, but will they repent at JezeBethel?

If they did, they could be recovered. If they don’t, of course they are done. Repentance is not to be taken lightly, as was the case with Israel of old.

But the whole Bethel “legal system” farce has to go, in a way, even with a recovery there, “a system of things” will be ending, the Bethel version of Christian reality is done, that is for sure.

As far as the mundane skeleton, we do not know. (Eze37)

I can go either way, because I will apply to God to be able to recognize the “first witness” component cannot be thrown out, nor can the Bethel apostasy be minimized in any way, and there in is the challenge to JWs and JW crits. They meet only one criteria at any given time, but BOTH are required, and that “oil” basic I personally am not compromising on.

I know the first witness is true, and I know Bethel is Masonic Satanic KN FRAUDS to the HILT of the 33 in Rev8 “1/3”, and I am ready to speak if and when God permits, in BOTH truths that must be fully told. I do not want to consider myself “approved”, I want to consider me also being judged, and God will call it what it is, one way or another.

But like a true emergency, urgency will be real, but no need to be anxious, God will pull it off in the right exact timing in his jurisdiction.

And I know it runs its full course, so I have no need to get anxious on “right or wrong” here and there, it will start to prove itself off of Daniel 8:14, on which I bet my life, it is beyond opinion to me. But I cannot force that on people, I have to respect TIME is actually on all of our side, TIME will help events get explained, for they are all already in the prophecy.

And hence why Bethel covers those details up like mad!

Patience and endurance, just ride the storm out with God and Christ help! The “storm” will break in time. It is also NOT “the end” yet, far from it in fact.

Agape

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[QUOTE who=”pcloadletter”]<quoted text>
So I’m starting to get the impression that some of you believe that Ronald Reagan saying “Mister Gorbachev, TEAR DOWN THIS WALL!
IS WHAT MADE THAT HAPPEN?
AND R. Reagan was such a ‘decent, plainspoken, old-fashioned ‘Amurkan, ( he was a cowboy, right? In movies.) that Gorbachov, just right then and there, felt sheepish about it, and decided to do it?
Because ‘US is a “Christian nation”‘, and so “God” is compelled to bless us.?
(This is a much tamer, more manageable deity , more like the pagan ones , who as long as you fed their appetites for cruelty and other vices, could be skillfully managed, by the ‘pros’, the specialists of the priestly persuasion.)
So God arranged UNEXPECTEDLY, this “miracle”, and the dumb-ol WT with their even dumber followers, pretended like “nothing happened”?
BUT IT WAS A MAJOR EMBARaSSMENT b/c “wt had SAID K.O.N. was ussr”? According to you guys?
I’m still having problems imagining that anyone thought that RR vs Gorbachov was a real confrontation, because I sure never did, though I guess I didn’t talk to anyone about it and I wasn’t a Witness then.
I know I said 2 weeks ago I wanted to go back and look at this KON controversy, but I honestly have not had time,so far. I’m wondering if maybe, to understand how you reacted -‘You had to be there’- (or maybe -You were looking for an excuse to say -“this is IT! I’m quitting!”)
Because what’s happening now in the world seems to fit the Bible, and the WT’s identification of the symbolic cast of characters, very well -to me.
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But “religion is a nuisance to the UN” , you quote, so this” image to the beast”-UN- will turn on Babylon the great and devastate her”, and then seeing a group dwelling w/out wall in (spiritual ) prosperity and peace will -with hook in jaw- attack, which will trigger Armageddon, right?[/QUOTE]

1. I was pointing out the KN-Bethel puppet SARCASM in that paragraph. They did not say “false religion”, they said “religion” as one global whole, including the JW religion.

The point is “the enemy is IN the house” now. That is an article written by KN at Bethel. (Dan11:32a) It was a foreboding to JWs, Bethel goes down first.

2. Ronald Reagan was/is an ACTOR, and he just continued his profession in the white house. The USA versus USSR was as scripted as was WW2.

HOW they worked together, for ONE GOAL OF WORLD GOVERNMENT, is now being explained in excruciating details:

Joseph P Farrell at the Secret Space Program Conference, 2014 San Mateo (presentation 1)

Bonds, Brains, Bullion Nazi’s to Cold War to Today in the Globalist MIC World Government Sector

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3. The USSR was the major distraction from that 1990 3rd UN presentation real meaning in Daniel 11:31b and Daniel 8:23.

JWs and everyone else have been thrown off course ever since that error, was kept in place as the USSR decoy, rather than TELL THE WORLD what that 3rd UN presentation, after the Cold WW3 Play had ended!

The WHOLE THING was unique, and because of that JWs ate the bait, and went of in the wrong direction.

BUT, it is so unique, God noted it:

(Daniel 11:29) . . .“At the time appointed he will go back, and he will actually come against the south; but it will not prove to be at the last the same as at the first.

(Daniel 11:29) . . .“At the time appointed he (globalists) will go back, and he will actually come against the south (nation-states); but it will not prove to be at the last (cold war forward) the same as at the first. (first two “hot” world wars”)

4. And thus the 1990 third UN event is obvious AFTER the Cold War:

(Daniel 11:31b) . . .“And they will certainly put in place the disgusting thing that is causing desolation.

5. All this “leaving the holy covenant” must be at Bethel, because Christendom had been exposed as already left the holy covenant since 1919:

(Daniel 11:30b) . . .“And he will actually go back and hurl denunciations against the holy covenant and act effectively; and he will have to go back and will give consideration to those leaving the holy covenant.

This is the JW ministerial infiltration and profanations marked as seen in the same period:

(Daniel 11:31a) . . .And there will be arms that will stand up, proceeding from him; and they will actually profane the sanctuary, the fortress, and remove the constant [feature]

And:

(Daniel 11:32) . . .“And those who are acting wickedly against [the] covenant, he will lead into apostasy by means of smooth words. . . .

To “lead into apostasy” is IMPOSSIBLE for Christendom ALREADY WELL IN APOSTASY. That has to also be Bethel and now JWs, all acting against the holy covenant, in varying capacities of misled, or leaders for KN of the misleading AT BETHEL INTERNALLY!

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> The ministry takes a lot of strength because there is so much to cover. The JW
> are very confused about the 6 & 7th trumpet. They don’t foresee any major
> fulfillment except for armageddon and imo that is about two decades away. There
> has to be angelic intervention to speed up the reconsecration of God’s house.
> Its like building Noah’s ark with KN trying to kill all opposition. It is
> considered a crime to tell the Truth in the West with its fake image of fake
> freedom. It wants nothing to do with Jesus and the Truth He represents.
> JW have no idea what God wants proclaimed and it would bring heat and fire down
> on them in this country if they preached what God really wanted proclaimed.
> God’s sheepfold is in a bad place now because in this country the Truth is not
> welcomed.
> How is anyone going to understand if they believe KN is all for helping and
> saving humanity. lol This is why understanding 9.11 is important and no one but
> truthers want to know.
> The angels will have to help by sounding the 6 and 7th trumpet. It will change
> the world. Otherwise, everyone is happy with believing KN is a god of peace and
> Bethel is God’s mouth piece. You can’t force them but so much.
> Something more will have to change besides just knowing Bethel is lying and
> asleep on the job.
> KN is in control and opposes the Truth. JW think this is a country where we
> have freedom of religion. Not if the Truth is a crime. JW have failed if they
> feel no heat.

Yes it becomes clear that OF COURSE the Revelation final “seven trumpets” will be in a truly grand fulfillment very real final global cycle! OF COURSE!

But JWs just do not understand they gave a preview meaning that will also be applicable when in 1-7 mode in the future! Of course God will clue them in in time.

Yes it will take a miracle of sorts. Had God not stepped in, as he will, JWs WOULD BE GLOBAL TOAST!!! FOR GOOD!

And KN would proceed unexposed.

But now God will invade their “temple”, pay back time, well before the end. Now God will be obliged to trespass where they do not want his angels mucking things up for KN, just like the demons trespassed into Bethel to muck things up for JWs!

What comes around, goes around. And God will also kick them out of His Temple, as his turn at bat but begins.

Poor guys. There going to need that “all seeing eye” in the back of their head, from their on out, always checking over their shoulder, for real. An unpredictable CURSE will haunt them from there on out, until God decimates them in person, at the very end. (Am9:1-3)

In time God will strike, just for a KN warm up, kick in the KN crotch, and slap in the KN face. To remind them how real it all is, a “PM” from God Himself. Just a good punch, enough to open the Rev9 abyss for JWs in the KN oven.

But from there on out, God can “trespass” all he wants into their camps, it is now his turn to have some fun in the enemy house. LOL

And they cannot come back in, as well:

(Zechariah 9:8) . . .And I will encamp as an outpost for my house, so that there will be no one passing through and no one returning; and there will no more pass through them a taskmaster, for now I have seen [it] with my eyes.

Agape
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The trick is in Bethel’s own modern explanation of their Daniel 8:14 interpretation:

*** Pay No Attention to Daniel’s Prophecy! chap. 10 pp. 177-178 par. 26 Who Can Stand Against the Prince of Princes? ***

26 For “the holy place” to be “brought,” or restored, to what it should be, the 2,300 days must have begun when it previously was in the “right condition” from God’s standpoint. At the earliest, this was on June 1, 1938, when The Watchtower published part 1 of the article “Organization.” Part 2 appeared in the issue of June 15, 1938. Counting 2,300 days (6 years, 4 months, and 20 days on the Hebrew calendar) from June 1 or 15, 1938, brings us to October 8 or 22, 1944. On the first day of a special assembly held at Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, U.S.A., on September 30 and October 1, 1944, the Watch Tower Society’s president spoke on the subject “The Theocratic Alignment Today.”

At the annual corporate meeting on October 2, the Society’s charter was amended in an effort to bring it as close to a theocratic arrangement as the law would allow. With the publication of clarified Biblical requirements, theocratic organization was soon more fully installed in the congregations of Jehovah’s Witnesses.

Now one has to pay attention here.

1. 1944 was the “WT organizational charter adjustments” that enabled the “theocratic organization” to be “more fully installed in the congregations of Jehovah’s Witnesses”.

2. 1944 was also the first year the “governing body” term was first uttered at Bethel.

So the parallel converging theme is the “Governing Body” ruled “Theocracy” is whay “brought the holy place into the right condition”!

Well in retrospect, 1944 led to 1971 “Governing Body” capitalized exulted term and title, for the 1976 Governing Body corporate dictatorship role from January 1, 1976. By 1991 they?

Joined the UN NGO, and covered up the 3rd UN global presentation meaning at the same time. Now, all is lost.

So in reality, 1944 is when the “wrong condition” was to be “fully installed in the congregations of Jehovah’s Witnesses.”

For the full analysis read this:

How Daniel 8:12-14 Unright Condition Has Been Developed by the Profane Governing Body Since 1944
https://templelijah.wordpress.com/dan8/how-daniel-812-14-unright-condition-has-been-developed-by-the-profane-governing-body-since-1944/
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Now the greater point is, when that prophecy DOES FULFILL int he future, to actually bring about the now fully required “right condition”, the Bethel profanation cover version will BLOW UP right in some background Bethel higher ups faces.

They will have to address the real problem, if they want to be repentant to be used by God for the final witnessing that this event of Daniel 8:13-14, is Revelation 8 modern temple judgement parallel coming, because all of Revelation 8-11 WILL REPEAT, and Revelation 8:3-5 is the temple judgment events of the “fire of the altar” temple purification “right condition” to result from the Bethel judgment coming soon.

Doubt it now?

That is why Daniel 8:14 is Temple judgment; TIMED and phased (Dan8:26)— Phase 1: (3.19 years) “the evening” darkness desolation, first, and Phase 2: (3.19 years) “morning” enlightening recovery last, as Rev 8 judgment, and Rev 9 “opening” of the abyss to the light.

And it respects the original JW Rev8-9 interpretation, except now the Bethel apostasy must be exposed first.

Pay attention to Daniel 8:13-14 in the future events coming on Bethel as Daniel 11:41, NOT Daniel 11:44 yet—which is what Bethel will try to sell to JWs, “Daniel 11:44 attack brothers!”, to cover their tracks the whole way.

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[QUOTE who=”JahLuvsThosHuKnoHim”]<quoted text>
Know Jehovah, how is collective. That doesn’t mean collective people but collective knowledge in all things. So now analyze him here in this topic. It is better for all decisions to be made by groups of people than by one man who is a god or king. One man can be wrong, a demon, a devil. But this doesn’t mean collective gorups can’t be demons or devils. A group allows 6 of 9 to be moved by Jehovah’s spirit when 3 are moved by Satan. But that can also be 6 moved by Satan when 3 are moved by Jehovah. So when all suffer from the rule of one man, it is sad that the man needs to be removed. However, how much more sad for a whole group of any persons to be wrong in their decision so that even as a group they are now more shameful than one man because they could not find Jehovah with so many people deciding which way Jehovah is. This is why a whole kingdom Hall of many people can see when three elders were wicked in a decision. Eli the priest and his two pedophile (young virgin raping sons) has always existed everywhere. Those with power who do wrong, and those who threaten to kill you if you do not obey these persons.[/QUOTE]

For JWs the point is not all of “Babel influence” was removed from the organization. In 1944 it rooted back in. And by that GB dictatorship the joined the UN NGO rather than tell JWs what that next level of UN involvement for smaller organizations of “non governmental” nature really meant.

What it meant is not only can nations join the UN, but so can groups, organizations, clubs and incorporated “people”. It was a new tier of UN globalization of the mindset to bring in World Government.

And Bethel said NOTHING, while they joined as a “non-kingdom” organization, not even respecting their Kingdom of Christ ambassadorship.

Keep that “transgression causing desolation” in mind, with the future events you will see storm on Bethel in time. (Dan8:13-14)

Bethel is under judgment, and soon it will be full blown desolation of the “organization” and their assets will be given to the World Government boys.

The Governing Body was the sinful orifice, wildbeast worshiping cell, and main distraction who brought this doom into the JW ministry. The concept is as old as Babel, and is not present in ACts 15, which all the Babel of Churches also use to ruin their own ministries, by the same type of GB entity.

There is nothing special about Bethel’s “governing body”, or its concept, or its corporate worldly organization, it is in the “wrong condition” at this time. (hence Daniel 8:13-14 which has yet to fulfill)

Bethel has merely rejoined Christendom and Babylon the Great as they also ride the Scarlet Wildbeast as they mold JWs to accept and worship World Government by GB lead as the main JW Wildbeast Worshipers as the ruling elites of JWs.
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[QUOTE who=”Anonymous Brother”]<quoted text>
Caleb forgot to padlock the trash can.[/QUOTE]

I liked Walter Martin’s book, “Kingdom of the Cults”, because he had a sense of biting humor, and I could use other religions in the book, to know how to preach to say Mormons, because he laid out the problems theologically.

Unfortunately I was not going to go back to Trinity and Hell Fire because a guy was a good writer.

At that time there was no UN NGO, and no pedophiles policies known, so the old school JW critics were all about theology, which was nice, at least we could talk about the Bible when I ran into one at a door.

I remember one “theologian” said to me, while pointing to his big library behind him: “you mean I should just throw all these books away??” I said yes. lol

But today, there was NO WAY I was going to lie for the GB on the UN NGO. In time the GB managed to introduce new controversy, controversy not on theology and Bible focus, but controversy over real scandal that Bethel is responsible for.

What this has done is changed 90% of the once Biblical debates, to an examination of REAL GB dirty laUNdry, completely changing the Kingdom subject, and eclipsing the original subject matter of the Bible.

They have managed to distract all attention to themselves and their lawlessness, and this cannot please God. I “caught sight” of that Matthew 24:15 “disgusting thing”, I know where it is at “apostate Jerusalem” at UN NGO Bethel, and I had to excuse myself from a ministry that is now 90% GB “Damage Control” witnessing.

That is why I actually miss the old fashioned discussion such as in that Walter Martin attempt to discredit Jehovah’s witnesses, at a time we were really Jehovah’s witnesses, not GB DC witnesses.

But with this purposely low spiritual IQ GB, also came the slow but steady dumbing down of Jehovah’s witnesses to remedial depth of what we even understood when Fred Franz was at his peak. I do not blame Fred Franz, he truly did try to make JWs a university level Bible student school of progressive development, and he set the “rules” of how to read prophecy for the divine communication level of information ACTUALLY STILL IN prophecy.

But the GB has reversed that entire mindset. Many JWs today reflect their GB teachers mindset and backward progress, sad to say. They no longer take it serious, it has devolved into a GB Show of Men, and the “organization” has also slipped into the spot light as now 80% of the talk in a WT ALWAYS diverts to those OBJECTS, to justify their divinity, which they DO NOT possess.

It has all now eclipsed God and Christ and the Kingdom of God focus which should be 100% among Jehovah’s witnesses, but it is now a footnote, and buzzwords and soundbites to spice up the divinity of the GB and the organization.

Just wait and see what God does to such vain idols, very soon. Just wait and see, while trusting in God and Christ ALONE. (Dan11:41; Dan8:13-14)

Cleansing “fire” is “coming down” from heaven. (Rev8:3-5; Eze10; Zech3:2)

(Isaiah 1:10-12) Hear the word of Jehovah, you dictators of Sodom. Give ear to the law of our God, you people of Gomorrah. 11 “Of what benefit to me is the multitude of your sacrifices?” says Jehovah. “I have had enough of whole burnt offerings of rams and the fat of well-fed animals; and in the blood of young bulls and male lambs and he-goats I have taken no delight. 12 When you people keep coming in to see my face, who is it that has required this from your hand, to trample my courtyards?

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[QUOTE who=”sidgi”]
Any prophetic statements about any of it, deals with it from that perspective. The apostasy spoken of in 2 Thessalonians is the Abrahamic covenant, because that is the only covenant that is left between men and God, at that point. Jesus died faithfully, and the “new covenant” was with him.
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You are a little shall we say “bass ackwards” on this. The OLD COVENANT is what Christ “nailed to the stake”.

THE BLOOD is what instituted the NEW COVENANT. You can bet your life that covenant is open to mankind.

Presumptions such as yours is how men shut up the Kingdom before themselves, by strange backward tales.

But years are in the final cycle, in time I think you will catch on to the reality that the Kingdom men have chosen, and the global covenant they are about to be baptized into, is in Scarlet Wildbeast World Government.

When you see that as a real entity in progress and then presented to the world, you just may catch on to how real this really is. JWs have errors in the GB, but they laid out the basic truth that needed to filter the church erros of presumptuous men, which is where your ideas come from, not from you, but from the ones who influenced you in the past.

YOU are the one who speaks the word of men, nothing more than spiritual corpses set up by Satan to mislead all he can by such empty talk in the basis of your supposed “profound revelations” of sidgi—it is OLD HAT church talk, the churches have taught that void for at least 500 years!.

NOTHING NEW in a thing YOU, a man, say.

If that emptiness and vain dead end satisfies you, then you are not conscious of your spiritual need.

That is why the coming years may just wake you up, and that is why it drags on to the bitter end as mankind gets what they have chosen: The “New World Order” is the world’s “Christ” that arrives before the real Christ.

When you see that happen, you may just open your eyes. (Hag2:7) Man will have two choices, that is all, and that is the truth. God’s Kingdom or the NWO World Government. Life or Death. ALL MEN will chose one, or the other, in time, plain and simple.
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[QUOTE who=”dee lightful “]<quoted text>
Your rely doesn’t make any sense…
You said,”Because demons are also “foremost princes” in this subject matter…”
.
Where does it say demons are chief princes in the same class as Michael?
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Prince of the World=Satan

Satan commands these demons over nations:

(Daniel 10:13) But the prince of the royal realm of Persia was standing in opposition to me for twenty-one days, and, look! Michael, one of the foremost princes, came to help me; and I, for my part, remained there beside the kings of Persia.

And in that “princely” context, what “foremost prince” is Michael?

(Daniel 10:21) Michael, the prince of you people.

1. Foremost Prince of Persia=Demon

2. Foremost Prince of Greece=Demon

3. Foremost Prince of Israel=Michael

This is not rocket science here dee.

Those are the “foremost princes” over nations, that Gabriel told Daniel of. Michael is simply the foremost “Prince of you people”; fleshly Israel, at that time.

THAT is the context where Gabriel described those princes of Persia and Greece as demons, and Michael, as the “Great Prince” of Israel, the nation.

Foremost angelic princes over nations.

Very simple.

[QUOTE who=”dee lightful “]
Where does it say demons are chief princes in the same class as Michael?
[/QUOTE]

And EXACTLY, where does it say ANY angel is in the Archangel class? Yet you try to use “foremost princes” as if that is what YOU are trying to say. YOU are the one saying the demonic princes in Daniel 10, are also “archangels”, that is YOUR argument, not mine.

No angel in all heaven or cast from heaven is in the CLASS of Michael THE Archangel. One and only, one of kind, only begotten Son of God Almighty, the first born of all creation, the first creation of God, ever! The Bright Morning STAR.

“Foremost princes”, including demons, are foremost angelic authorities allowed by God, or set up by God as with Michael, over human nations.

There is no “Archangel” at all in the “foremost princes” meaning in the context of Daniel 10. Those are “foremost princes” of angels “watching” and leading nations, all of which except Michael, are demonic at this time.

Jesus Christ now manages the “Israel of God” in all Christianity of anointed sons and daughters. The JW GB has taken over that demon princely role over JWs. Just wait and see what happens to them because of that presumption. Just wait and watch the disasters that will soon befall the GB of Bethel’s apostasy.

(Revelation 12:3-4) . . .And another sign was seen in heaven, and, look! a great fiery-colored dragon, with seven heads and ten horns and upon its heads seven diadems; 4 and its tail drags a third of the stars of heaven, and it hurled them down to the earth.

Those “seven heads” are composed of all of Satan’s demonic angelic global rulers:

(Ephesians 6:12) against PRINCipalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

The top demons are Satan’s “foremost princes” over nations under such a set of demon angelic government.

Michael is God’s “foremost prince” of God’s people.
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[QUOTE who=”Dogen”]<quoted text>
One of……
<quoted text>
This is incorrect. There are 7 Archangels.
They are sometimes linked with days of the week. Barachiel presided over the Sabbath.
[/QUOTE]

What? Now your mixing in some Carnival Wiccan and Juggalo demon understanding too? Archangel insights from the Tat shop, palm readers and new age hybrid strippers? LOL

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There are 12 angelic orders, that is all we know for now.

(Revelation 12:1) . . .And a great sign was seen in heaven, a woman arrayed with the sun, and the moon was beneath her feet, and on her head was a crown of TWELVE STARS…

Michael is now that whole subservient “crown”, as anointed King in God’s Kingdom, first (Rev6:1-2), Messianic Kingdom King of kings, later, in the future. (Rev19:11-16)

“Word” Michael is the Divine heavenly birthing source, “through whom all things are”, creative channel from God’s creative power, for God, of ALL the angelic orders, all the angels, hence “Ancient of all Angels”, or “Arch” angel.

1. Archangel is also a TYPE or KIND of “angel”—ONE of THE Kind—God’s creative source and pattern of ALL the other angels, such as Seraphs and Cherubs. No “seven archangels” tales from demons in the reality.

2. Michael the Archangel was there alone with God >before< any other angels existed. ALL ANGELS were born through The Archangel, so Arch is first ANCIENT ANGEL, the oldest of all the angels. (Mic5:2)

3. and after there were other angels, ARCH is Chief Angel.

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Michael’s name “HAS BECOME better than the angels” as the Christ of God and IMMORTAL Son of God (Ps110), which was bestowed on Michael by God for the earthly mission accomplished as Jesus Christ, to fulfill and empower Psalm 2 and Psalm 110, and the whole Bible about him, for God.

Michael was not always incorruptible and thus immortal like God Almighty, he HAS BECOME such.

And that is why his “name” “has become” “better than the angels”, Michael is now also the Immortal Son of God, born into that state after he sacrificed his life on earth, in perfect accomplished mission:

(Philippians 2:8-11) . . .death on a torture stake. 9 For this very reason also God EXALTED him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every [other] name, 10 so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground, 11 and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.

That is why Hebrews 1 begins the chapter with the story of the Son, and “the angels”, as old school Hebrew Christians were interested in the latest on the “Angel of God” and the “Prince of you people” as Michael was his revealed name, leading to the Christ of God, “The Seed”, Jesus Christ convergent understanding, to fulfill Isaiah 63:9:

(Isaiah 63:9) [God’s] own personal messenger saved them…

“the angel of his presence saved them”

“The messenger sent from his very presence delivered them.”

“and the Angel of his face saved them”

“And the messenger of His presence saved them”

(Isaiah 53:12) . . .For that reason I shall deal him a portion among the many, and it will be with the mighty ones that he will apportion the spoil, due to the fact that he poured out his soul to the very death, and it was with the transgressors that he was counted in; and he himself carried the very sin of many people, and for the transgressors he proceeded to interpose.

Now the Hebrews understood why this Angel alone, is Immortal Son of God, for all angels are God’s sons, that much they knew. They did not know how the “Angel of his Presence”, the “Wisdom of God”, the later revealed “The Word”, assumed such a “superior” name and position later in time, as foretold.

To the Jews that angel was as familiar as the back of their hand. They were not terminally lost in Christendom Greek ideas and tales of trinities and what not, nor were they “Jesus worshipers” like some in the churches—they were old school basic truth about the Angel of God interested ones.
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12 and 7 Based Patterns Mirrored from Spirit Realm to Earthly Realm

I. God’s Twelve

A. And in keeping with this theme, there are 12 angelic orders of God’s heavenly “woman”:

(Revelation 12:1). . .And a great sign was seen in heaven, a woman arrayed with the sun, and the moon was beneath her feet, and on her head was a crown of TWELVE STARS…

1. It is 12 in heaven’s “crown” (God’s Kingdom “woman”);

2. And we see that 12 pattern is also “12 orders” on earth’s “crown” (Christ’s Messianic Kingdom “Bride”);

B. And that totality is eventually to complete as the final “12” “bought from the earth” (Rev14:3) also assume heavenly “twelve order” status, ON THE SAME STRUCTURED PATTERN OF 12:

(Revelation 7:4-8) And I heard the number of those who were sealed, a hundred and forty-four thousand, sealed out of every tribe of the sons of Israel [12]:

1. Out of the tribe of Judah twelve thousand sealed;
2. out of the tribe of Reuben twelve thousand;
3. out of the tribe of Gad twelve thousand;
4. out of the tribe of Asher twelve thousand;
5. out of the tribe of Naphtali twelve thousand;
6. out of the tribe of Manasseh twelve thousand;
7. out of the tribe of Simeon twelve thousand;
8. out of the tribe of Levi twelve thousand;
9. out of the tribe of Issachar twelve thousand;
10. out of the tribe of Zebulun twelve thousand;
11. out of the tribe of Joseph twelve thousand;
12. out of the tribe of Benjamin twelve thousand sealed.

(Revelation 14:1) . . .And I saw, and, look! the Lamb standing upon the Mount Zion, and with him a hundred and forty-four thousand having his name and the name of his Father written on their foreheads.

C. And those twelve orders “bought from the earth”, mirrored under Michael the Christ’s 12 heavenly orders of God’s “woman” (Gen3:15), though under, are not, God’s Kingdom, but the Messianic Kingdom of Christ, Christ’s Bride “woman”, to assume the “Kingdom of the World” TOTALITY of all of planet Earth’s nations of humans and animal “families of the ground”, the whole creation (Rom8:18-22; Gen1:26-28 as Matt19:28):

(Revelation 11:15) . . .And the seventh angel blew his trumpet. And loud voices occurred in heaven, saying: “The kingdom of the world did become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he will rule as king forever and ever.”

(Genesis 12:3) . . .And I will bless those who bless you, and him that calls down evil upon you I shall curse, and all the families of the ground will certainly bless themselves by means of you.”

(Genesis 22:18) . . .And by means of your seed all nations of the earth will certainly bless themselves due to the fact that you have listened to my voice.’”

D. Or that final TOTAL “Kingdom of the World” “divine purpose” “administration” of the total gathering of everything, under that 12 based order, in total universal and heavenly unity:

(Ephesians 1:8-11) This he caused to abound toward us in all wisdom and good sense, 9 in that he made known to us the sacred secret of his will. It is according to his good pleasure which he purposed in himself 10 for an administration at the full limit of the appointed times, namely, to gather all things together again in the Christ, the things in the heavens and the things on the earth. [Yes,] in him, 11 in union with whom we were also assigned as heirs…

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II. Satan’s Seven

A. Seven Pattern Replication

1. It is “7 heads” in Satan’s “Dragon” pattern; (Rev12)

2. And we see that 7 pattern is also “7 nations” or 7 historically traced national orders (Gen10) to guide earth’s “seven headed” “wildbeast” system of Satan. (Rev13,17)

B. And that is why Satan’s seven angelic based pattern and whole “dragon” “body”:

(Revelation 12:3-4) And another sign was seen in heaven, and, look! a great fiery-colored dragon, with seven heads and ten horns and upon its heads seven diadems; 4 and its tail drags a third of the stars of heaven, and it hurled them down to the earth.

Also guided seven nations of mankind:

(Revelation 13:1-2) And I saw a wild beast ascending out of the sea, with ten horns and seven heads, and upon its horns ten diadems, but upon its heads blasphemous names. 2 Now the wild beast that I saw was like a leopard, but its feet were as those of a bear, and its mouth was as a lion’s mouth. And the dragon gave to [the beast] its power and its throne and great authority.

C. To eventually assume a WHOLE “Scarlet Wildbeast” full bodied World Government TOTALITY FOR EARTH, to mirror Satan’s Seven Headed total whole bodied Dragon, into the earth as it’s final or “8th” “King”:

(Revelation 17:3) . . .scarlet-colored wild beast that was full of blasphemous names and that had seven heads and ten horns.

(Revelation 17:11-13) . . .And the wild beast that was but is not, it is also itself an eighth [king], but springs from the seven, and it goes off into destruction. 12 “And the ten horns that you saw mean ten kings, who have not yet received a kingdom, but they do receive authority as kings ONE HOUR with the wild beast. 13 These have one thought, and so they give their power and authority to the wild beast.

D. Satan the “seven headed Dragon”, is who uses “seven archangels” under himself as “foremost princes” over:

1. Egypt
2. Assyria
3. Babylon
4. Medo-Persia
5. Greece
6. Rome
7. Anglo-America

E. To eventually form the global “8th Kingdom”, 8th King World Government with Satan as ultimate King, as the “Seven Headed Dragon” emulates his demon based rulership over planet Earth in the “Seven Headed Scarlet Wildbeast” (Rev17:8-13), as the World Government climax, complete and to rule Earth for a symbolic “one hour”.

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III. One Hour of World Government

A. These events happen AFTER World Government is complete:

1. The Two Witnesses final warning is ceased; (Rev11:7-10)
2. Christ arrives “in the midst of his enemies” in complete world government (Ps110:2), to complete Messianic Kingdom heavenly 12 sector “gathering” (Matt24:31; Rev11:11-12; Rev16:17; Rev14:1).
3. Babylon the Great global religious complex is deposed; (Rev16:18-20; Rev17:15-18; Rev18)
4. Final Sheep Gathered (Matt25:31-40; Rev14:14-16)
5. Global Judgment (Matt25:41-46; Rev14:17-20; 2Thess1:6-10) as
6. World Government deposed (Rev19:19-21; Dan2:31-45; Rev11:15-19)

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All these symbolic hours are in that same “one hour” of full World Government in final global reign, as concurrent or approximately to fully parallel final developments to come about AFTER World Government completes in the future.

B. World Government “One Hour” Parallels

(Revelation 17:12) . . .“And the ten horns that you saw mean ten kings, who have not yet received a kingdom, but they do receive authority as kings ONE HOUR with the wild beast.

1. Global Test “Hour” Climaxes Under World Government (Rev13:15-18)

(Revelation 3:10) the HOUR of test

2. The “Two Witness” Final Kingdom Proclamation is Ceased Under World Government:

(Revelation 11:7) And when they have finished their witnessing, the wild beast that ascends out of the abyss will make war with them and conquer them and kill them. (Dan12:11)

(Revelation 11:11-13) And after the three and a half days spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet, and great fear fell upon those beholding them. (Christ arrival parallel; Matt24:29-31:) 12 And they heard a loud voice out of heaven say to them: “Come on up here.” And they went up into heaven in the cloud, and their enemies beheld them. 13 And IN THAT HOUR a great earthquake occurred, and a tenth of the city fell; and seven thousand persons were killed by the earthquake, and the rest became frightened and gave glory to the God of heaven.

3. Christ Arrives in the “One Hour” (Dan12:11) of World Government:

(Revelation 14:6-7) And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, and he had everlasting good news to declare as glad tidings to those who dwell on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people, 7 saying in a loud voice: “Fear God and give him glory, because the HOUR of the judgment by him has arrived, and so worship the One who made the heaven and the earth and sea and fountains of waters.”

4. Christ Final Gathering Totality is within the “One Hour” of World Government:

(Revelation 14:15-16) And another angel emerged from the temple [sanctuary], crying with a loud voice to the one seated on the cloud: “Put your sickle in and reap, because the HOUR has come to reap, for the harvest of the earth is thoroughly ripe.” 16 And the one seated on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth, and the earth was reaped. (Matt24:31; Rev11:11-12)

5. Global Religion is Deposed for “One World Religion” in that One Hour of World Government:

(Revelation 18:10) Babylon you strong city, because in ONE HOUR your judgment has arrived!’

(Revelation 18:17) because in ONE HOUR such great riches have been devastated!’

(Revelation 18:19) because in ONE HOUR she has been devastated!’

6. And then, after all that is done, Christ conquers Satan and his “8th King”:

(Revelation 11:15-18) And the seventh angel blew his trumpet. And loud voices occurred in heaven, saying: “The kingdom of the world did become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he will rule as king forever and ever.” … and to bring to ruin those ruining the earth.”

(Daniel 2:44) And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite;

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[QUOTE who=”curtjester1″]<quoted text>
Interesting. TY. It seems it takes the one in charge to nip the opposition’s top in the bud, with the top facing the top. I am sure some translations of verses that are never confronted are subject to word usages that can sway. Perhaps Michael as one of the foremost princes (hard to think there is one that that would be ‘equal foremost’ as that would really be an oxymoron. It could have been translated “the one, foremost of all princes” e.g. Whatever the case, Michael as head of all good angels, kicks all the bad princes out of heaven, no matter what echelon they are. Rev. 12: 7-9
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Well Rev12:1 tells us there are other high ranking holy angels, the “stars” in that “crown” have a meaning in that regard.

(Revelation 12:1) . . .And a great sign was seen in heaven, a woman arrayed with the sun, and the moon was beneath her feet, and on her head was a crown of twelve stars.

But Michael ALONE is the meaning of the “crown” of his God given position in God’s Kingdom, first, as the Messianic Kingdom was just being born at that time.

But in Daniel 10 the direct subject is of national demon princes and “kings” from the demon realm, because Israel alone was under a holy angel of God, the rest of the nations also had “foremost princes”, that is top angelic rulers, “princes” “kings”, who were demons:

(Daniel 10:13) But the prince of the royal realm of Persia was standing in opposition to me for twenty-one days, and, look! Michael, one of the foremost princes, came to help me; and I, for my part, remained there beside the kings of Persia.

And in that “princely” context, what “foremost prince” is Michael?

(Daniel 10:21) Michael, the prince of you people.

1. Foremost Prince of Persia=Demon

2. Foremost Prince of Greece=Demon (Dan10:20)

3. Foremost Prince of Israel=Michael

It could have said, for those taking things well out of context:

(Daniel 10:13) But the prince of the royal realm of Persia was standing in opposition to me for twenty-one days, and, look! Michael, [also] one of the foremost princes [like the prince of the royal realm of Persia that we are now talking about here Daniel] , came to help me; and I, [Gabriel], for my part, remained [stuck] there beside the kings of Persia [who are demons].

Gabriel was stuck, certainly not by any human kings, but powerful demons resisting him.

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But many new details for that time emerged in Daniel 10 for the attentive Jews of faith, and others influenced by them. Daniel is a prophecy milestone book, when we imagine that at that time, NO STRUCTURED KINGDOM DETAILS EXISTED IN ALL THE PROPHETS [[UNTIL]] Daniel’s inspired prophecy.

They got Kingdom details of:

1. The national historic order continuum that would lead to the “stone” crushing the rinal system totality.

2. The NAME of the Angel of God’s Presence (Isa63:9), God’s “Personal Messenger”, and him “standing up” as King; in Daniel all the rival kings “stand up” into their kingdom power, like Daniel 8:23 and 8:25.

3. Explicit Kingdom structured details in Daniel 7.

4. Explicit soon-to-be-historic national prophetic tracing in increasing detail of the rival system development in Daniel 2, 7, 8, 11-12. Every chapter INCREASES in detail unto Daniel 11 “King North” total detail.

(And NO WAY is God wasting HALF of Daniel 11 on some FAILED USSR who can never be anything but a failure of Daniel 11:27 “and nothing will succeed”, because King North can ONLY BE 8th King World Government final progression after 1990, in Daniel 11:29-45.)

(Of course there are other things, like Daniel 4 and 9, but the point is while in captivity, after Jerusalem was sacked, while many Jews were down and out, MIND BLOWING KINGDOM OF GOD DETAILS FELL FROM THE SKY, so to speak!

Daniel was a Kingdom Revelation of its day to the Jews, and is the timed structural underpinning of the final fulfillment seven trumpets of Revelation to fully REPEAT in full, in the future, 1-7.

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1. All Within Daniel 8:14 2300 Days (6.38 Year) Timing

A. Revelation 8-9; Trumpets 1-4, 5-6;

B. Daniel 8:14 Temple Judgment timing (3.19 years, 2 phases=6.38 years);

C. Daniel 8:13-14, 26 Phasing

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2. All Within Daniel 12:7 1260 Days

A. Trumpets 5-6 merging into Rev10-11:1-7 to Little Scroll final 1260 Day Second Witness of Two Witnesses final Kingdom proclamation

B. Daniel 7:25; Daniel 12:7 1260 days parallels of Revelation 11:2-3; Revelation 13:5; Revelation 12:14;

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3. All Within Daniel 12:11 1290 Days

A. Trumpet 6 Terminus: Christ arrival first

B. Revelation 11:8-12 Christ arrival parallel, final post two witnesses cessation sequence, which must be after the 1260 days is completed (Rev11:7), to complete Christ arrival (Matt24:29-31), before 7th Trumpet.

C. Plague 7 Christ “Air” Arrival; (Rev16:17)

D. Trumpet 7—Kingdom Conquest

E. Revelation 11:15-19 Total Messianic Kingdom of the World Conquest of God and Christ, at end of 1290 days.

Only the “happy” enter the Daniel 12:12 final timed period:

(Daniel 12:12) “Happy is the one who is keeping in expectation and who arrives at the one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days!

(Revelation 19:9) . . .And he tells me: “Write: Happy are those invited to the evening meal of the Lamb’s marriage.” . . .

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[QUOTE who=”Anonymous Brother”]<quoted text>
Was the watchtower your god? Is that why you lost faith? Unfortunately, this is not unheard of, that JWs put blind faith into certain aspects of the watchtower, but not in others. Typically it is in those areas that make it easier not to think for themselves and take responsibility for their actions and faith. Then, when the org turns out to be nothing but human, they get disappointed and blame the org for their own shortcomings in personal study and commitment to God. The result is you. An apostate. Who now has to be constantly denigrating and attacking that which he was once a part of in order to salve a conscience that knows it sinned against God by putting more faith in men than God.
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So what we have here, is your own personal struggle to justify your own shortcomings of faith by assigning superpower status to an organization of men , such as brainwashing, mind control, etc.
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You put more faith in men than God. Simple as that. Now you want to justify. And since you still cannot believe you misguided yourself, you continually attack others that do take responsibility for their beliefs and remain JWs.
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We understand.[/QUOTE]

The Bible Students who then became God’s named witnesses to the world, Jehovah’s witnesses is a field of modern truth, that is true, 1914 is valid by more than just prophecy.

But in such a new “field” of “wheat” newly planted, as set aside from Christendom, AGAIN, “weeds” also spring up:

(Matthew 13:36-43) Then after dismissing the crowds he went into the house. And his disciples came to him and said: “Explain to us the illustration of the weeds in the field.” 37 In response he said: “The sower of the fine seed is the Son of man; 38 the field is the world; as for the fine seed, these are the sons of the kingdom; but the weeds are the sons of the wicked one, 39 and the enemy that sowed them is the Devil. The harvest is a conclusion of a system of things, and the reapers are angels. 40 Therefore, just as the weeds are collected and burned with fire, so it will be in the conclusion of the system of things. 41 The Son of man will send forth his angels, and they will collect out from his kingdom all things that cause stumbling and persons who are doing lawlessness, 42 and they will pitch them into the fiery furnace. There is where [their] weeping and the gnashing of [their] teeth will be. 43 At that time the righteous ones will shine as brightly as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Let him that has ears listen.

And their presence in the JW ministry is why we see all this controversy in regard to GB ideas, UN alliance, policies, and total slumber on MODERN prophecy and parables.

Now that the Bible Students and early JWs explained the concept in the preparatory judgment period of 1914-1919, now old hat (but valid), we can apply the principles in the modern new delay and “field” we are now experiencing:

(Matthew 25:5) While the bridegroom was delaying, they (ten virgins) ALL nodded and went to sleep.

(That parable parallels temple judgment prophecy; Dan8:13-14; Mal3:1-5; Zech3:1-9)

In this modern “delay”, them “weeds” also grow and mature IN THE SAME FIELD, now well identified since 1919, as now all the principles first taught, are REPEATING, as Bethel is evidence the “delay effect” is so severe, them billionaires decided to hook up with the UN NGO “Kingdom”.

AND they did that rather than explain how the UN after 1990, started to use the UN NGO “Outreach Programme” tier of global expansion so that now, even groups, institutions, organization and corporations could ALSO join the United Nations! (but as “non governmental” vessels of promotion of United Nations positive “public information”, yet still UN system members and United Nations Organizations!)

Hence in Watchtower:

*** w95 10/1 p. 3 Fifty Years of Frustrated Efforts ***

“”WE THE PEOPLES OF THE UNITED NATIONS …””

*** w95 10/1 p. 5 A World Without War—When? ***

“”Also, for the first time ever, an international organization would have access to an army to enforce peace and security and bring about a world without war.””

So the point is Bethel’s “a system of things” is now where that “weed” proliferation has now ALSO matured, side by side, with valid Kingdom truths, AT THE SAME TIME, over years of also truth and “wheat” ALSO maturing!

And because it is a valid Kingdom truth ministry, THAT is why Satan targets the “wheat” “field” again, and infiltrated as such to undermine the truth, AT THE SAME TIME. (Dan8:12; Dan11:30-32a)

And that is why God has to clean out the field again (Zech3:4-5), well before the end, and such an judgment event will allow the whole prophecy to be explained after that temple judgment kicks off Revelation 8 as Daniel 11:41 and Daniel 8:13-14.

The “weeds” are now also severe in the JW ministry LEADERSHIP, and that is where the prophetic apostasy has formed. God foretells LEADERSHIP APOSTASY (Dan11:32a; 2Thess2:3-4), which is more severe than stumbled sheep, potential sheep or generic opposers who really are just those who lost faith (or were shallow rooted), and the GB behavior patterns do not help the matter, but instead EXACERBATE the “abusive talk”, as foretold:

(2 Peter 2:1-3) However, there also came to be false prophets among the people, as there will also be false teachers among YOU. These very ones will quietly bring in destructive sects and will disown even the owner that bought them, bringing speedy destruction upon themselves. 2 Furthermore, many will follow their acts of loose conduct, and on account of these the way of the truth will be spoken of abusively. 3 Also, with covetousness they will exploit you with counterfeit words. But as for them, the judgment from of old is not moving slowly, and the destruction of them is not slumbering.

Frank and honest, the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses EXPERIMENT (1944 to present, especially since 1976), is the worst single development to EVER befall the JW ministry, in “gradually given over” to the “weeds”, very subtle devolution into the mess we have today. A development forensically traceable to 1944 first “governing body”, thus a “weed” cell that has actually been progressing in growth and power for seventy years now, forty years in full GB Dictatorial override.

Now many stumbled and butt-hurt people, actually have valid room for complaint against the UN-NGO-Dictators of Bethel, the GB are not blameless but lawless, they never apologize, they are Bible idiots on purpose, and they adjoined the JW ministry to the UN foundational global-societal means by which next step, all PEOPLE can join the United Nations, as individuals, once under World Government global OWNERSHIP of Daniel 11:42-45.

It went (1) UN for nations (1919-now),(2) UN NGO for organizations (1990 to now), and soon (3) UN world government for everyone! And Bethel says NOTHING, but joined the organizational UN tier of global expansion and mass population propaganda!

Required Temple Judgment

That is why Daniel 11:41 comes on Bethel [Mature Weed] Central whose “judgment is NOT slumbering” (Dan8:13-14) and is now fully NECESSARY AND GUARANTEED to purify the now “wrong condition” that Jehovah’s witnesses Christian Kingdom ministry and “temple” HAS NOW BECOME, now derailed into the Apostate UN-Governing Body Show of Bethel Dirty Laundry and diversion upon distraction. (As foretold; Zech3:3, Dan8:12, Dan11:32a; 2Thess2:1-4)

So by REAL “personal study and commitment to God” we do not have to have “more faith in men than God”, because Bethel’s Milestone Apostasy and chock full Weed Takeover, is OF COURSE, in prophecy in general, and in explicit details in Daniel 8 and 11. God has NOT missed the Bethel devolving into even joining the UN.

Even the UN NGO “TRANSGRESSION causing desolation” to Bethel, soon (Matt24:15), is foretold in Daniel 8:13, parallel 1990 3rd UN placement that Bethel joined as UN NGO (Dan11:30-31), AND silenced before Jehovah’s witnesses too boot.

By true open minded and God directed through Christ Bible study of prophecy, we find what Bethel distractions and stall is trying to hide among their own “operation of error” and among JWs, and from the world at large.

(Daniel 8:12) kept throwing truth to the earth, and it acted and had success.

(Daniel 11:32) he will lead into apostasy

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Connecting Bethel Lawlessness to Final Prophecy
http://templelijah.wordpress.com/more-man-of-lawlessness/connecting-bethel-lawlessness-to-final-prophecy/

Daniel Prophecy and 8th King Globalists
Daniel 11:36-41 and Daniel 8:23-25 8th King Globalist Details and the Bethel Apostasy Co-Development
http://templelijah.wordpress.com/daniel-12/daniel-prophecy-and-8th-king-globalists/

Bethel Apostasy Foretold in Daniel 8 and 11
http://templelijah.wordpress.com/more-man-of-lawlessness/bethel-apostasy-foretold-in-daniel-8-and-11/

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[QUOTE who=”curtjester1″]<quoted text>
The woman is about to give birth. The woman is the woman of the first Bible prophecy and unfolds to be the Bride of Christ. The crown was given to Jesus/Michael Rev. 6:2 who have the 12 stars of a completed symbolic organizational setting…e.g. 12 apostles, 12 Tribes, 24 elders, 144,000…which indicate those who are going to rule with Christ/Michael in the kingdom. Nothing really to do with angels and all that. At this point all the angels are under Michael/Jesus or Satan’s angels.
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“unfolds to be the Bride of Christ”? I thought you said you were an active Jehovah’s witness? The woman was crowned before she gave birth. That birth is complete. The “woman” and the “bride” are not the same thing in old school Jehovah’s witnesses truth.

But then again the GB do not study the Bible and they are not in divine approval, so no surprise Jehovah’s witnesses have sort of fallen behind.

The point was whether with God or Christ, the earthly power development will reflect the heavenly pattern “coming down from heaven” (Rev21). Which Satan is installing first, as he will be the decoy of Christ who will also arrive first, and the New World Order World Government is what he will sell to the world as the counterfeit of “God’s Kingdom”.

Because the GB joined the United Nations organizational tier of wildbeast supporters, of course they will get no light, and will instead be removed first as the final apostasy.

The GB have backslid and they have allowed JWs to backslide to an astonishing degree, as now all of it is fully off course and merely is a caricature of its past, now past, and now just mimicked to total ministerial ruin as also UN NGO.

Wow, how far they have fallen! And that is why all of Revelation 8-11 will repeat, because the Bethel apostasy is the next one God will expose soon:

(Revelation 8:10-11) . . .And the third angel blew his trumpet. And a great star burning as a lamp fell from heaven, and it fell upon a third of the rivers and upon the fountains of waters. 11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood. And a third of the waters turned into wormwood, and many of the men died from the waters, because these had been made bitter.

(Dan8:13-14 as Dan11:41)

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[QUOTE who=”AlanMF”]<quoted text>

People are in no sense digital files. They’re made of meat, basically.

Even if there were some sort of “digital file” that contained every bit of information about a person, that “file” would not BE the person. Only the original person, grown organically via normal development from egg and sperm, is the person. If another copy is grown later from that “digital file”, it is a different person, not the original.

AlanMF[/QUOTE]

Let’s venture outside the accepted human “box”.

People are “digital”, the entire atomic solidity is based on bound energy. That energy is beyond human understanding.

Once the life force leaves any biological entity, the structure also disintegrates to the component parts, which were not the person’s most fundamental structure which is spirit energy, of the life force, only God, and now Christ, understand.

So the “original” is in God’s memory for total recall at any time, as pristine and [[more complete]] than the so-called “original”, born into a world of death. There is only one original definition of a “living soul” and that is in God’s omnipotent awareness, wherein nothing is “lost”, unless God deletes the “file” from His eternal memory, or the “second death”.

(Matthew 10:29-31) Do not two sparrows sell for a coin of small value? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground without your Father’s [knowledge]. 30 But the very hairs of your head are all numbered. 31 Therefore have no fear: you are worth more than many sparrows.

Not one sparrow will be left out of the total global “total recall” of God’s super-mind, come Christ Time:

(Ezekiel 47:9) And it must occur that every living soul that swarms, in every place to which the double-size torrent comes, will get life. And it must occur that there will be very many fish, because there is where this water will certainly come, and the [seawater] will be healed, and everything will be alive where the torrent comes.

It is called the Re-Genesis:

(Matthew 19:28) Jesus said to them: “Truly I say to you, In the re-creation, when the Son of man sits down upon his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also yourselves sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Adamic humans have eaten the fruit of error, and cannot understand even the magnitude of the Satanic hoax all around us.

Solomon had a question regarding this divine definition of the “living soul” being, the core spirit “original”:

(Ecclesiastes 3:21) Who is there knowing the spirit of the sons of mankind, whether it is ascending upward; and the spirit of the beast, whether it is descending downward to the earth?

And now we know the answer:

(Ephesians 1:8-10) This he caused to abound toward us in all wisdom and good sense, 9 in that he made known to us the sacred secret of his will. It is according to his good pleasure which he purposed in himself 10 for an administration at the full limit of the appointed times, namely, to gather all things together again in the Christ, the things in the heavens and the things on the earth. [Yes,] in him…

Satan will not steal or erase so much as one ant or microbe, when Christ is done with the LIFE restoration of Global Eden.

Satan’s file will be deleted as will all who conform to his “image”, demon or human, which like everything now in this world under his death power, will pass away as his ultimate temporary nature also arrives upon his own deletion to non-existence, and total erasure from God’s “memory”. Satan breeds death, and he dies. Very simple.

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Instead of death ruling as King by way of the Adamic access port of Genesis 1:26-28, as the blessing turned into a Satanic curse of death God permits and even requires for now:

(Hebrews 2:14-16) Therefore, since the “young children” are sharers of blood and flesh, he also similarly partook of the same things, that through his death he might bring to nothing the one having the means to cause death, that is, the Devil; 15 and [that] he might emancipate all those who for fear of death were subject to slavery all through their lives. 16 For he is really not assisting angels at all, but he is assisting Abraham’s seed.

This LIFE form is who will now, soon, “plug into” the Earth life hierarchy:

(Hebrews 7:15-17) And it is still more abundantly clear that with a similarity to Melchizedek there arises another priest, 16 who has become such, not according to the law of a commandment depending upon the flesh, but according to the power of an INDESTRUCTIBLE LIFE, 17 for in witness it is said: “You are a priest forever according to the manner of Melchizedek.”

And thus as written from God:

(Ezekiel 47:9) EVERYTHING will be alive . . .

Nothing is impossible or too good to be true, for God Almighty. That is why HE ALONE is God THE Almighty.

People will doubt as usual, since the sin opened the place up to death, but not eternally, and not for much longer:

(Romans 8:18-22) Consequently I reckon that the sufferings of the present season do not amount to anything in comparison with the glory that is going to be revealed in us. 19 For the eager expectation of the creation is waiting for the revealing of the sons of God. 20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not by its own will but through him that subjected it, on the basis of hope 21 that the creation itself also will be set free from enslavement to corruption and have the glorious freedom of the children of God. 22 For we know that all creation keeps on groaning together and being in pain together until now.

All that has to occur is Satan removed from the Earth “death port” by way of Adamic man access, whose filtration is completed with the removal of World Government once they are complete and ready for that war.

Once Christ “plugs in” to the planetary life system, the ORIGINAL EVERYTHING will be restored to the full, in eternal life, better than before, the PERFECT TRUE ORIGINAL.

(Psalm 133:3) It is like the dew of Hermon That is descending upon the mountains of Zion. For there Jehovah commanded the blessing, life to time indefinite.

The “curses” of Genesis 3:14-17, and the lies from the Liar, will be removed for that global blessing:

(Revelation 22:1-3) And he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, flowing out from the throne of God and of the Lamb 2 down the middle of its broad way. And on this side of the river and on that side [there were] trees of life producing twelve crops of fruit, yielding their fruits each month. And the leaves of the trees [were] for the curing of the nations. 3 And no more will there be any curse.

And a new reality will emerge in that 1000 year global restoration process under the Christ of God, the King of kings.

(John 10:10) I have come that they might have life and might have it in abundance.

Mankind is under the delusion of death and all the many guesses that develop in the Satanic global hoax of his temporary system of global death.

“Original” is just an erred human concept. God is the original keeper, and the original, is not what dying creation is anyways. The “original” is coming, the PERFECT ORIGINAL, the REAL THING.

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So God will do what He has purposed to do, anyways.

(1 Timothy 6:13) In the sight of God, who preserves all things alive, and of Christ Jesus. . .

Death is going to die:

(Revelation 20:10) And the Devil who was misleading them was hurled into the lake of fire and sulphur…

He will be bruised in his head, dead and gone forever. (Gen3:15)

God is the original architect and life programmer. Everything will be restored in perfect condition, BETTER than the tainted original born in Adam, and affected by the sin, and how Satan accessed the Earth’s planetary life system by that sin and death, as its primary “power source”.

So Satan is “unplugged” from Earth, and the Chris LIFE FORCE “power source” is “plugged in” instead. Imagine that!

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[QUOTE who=”RedhorseWoman”]<quoted text>
Cutting back on meetings–again. Cutting back on magazine printing to one magazine per month, alternating between the Watchtower and Awake! Cutting back on Bethel staffing and closing more branches.
Isn’t this odd behavior for a group that supposedly believes that the “end” is SO much closer? Cutting back on the amount of “spiritual food” being provided seems to be counter productive, doesn’t it?[/QUOTE]

There is only one answer that actually answers the question. The “answer” is too big to see, and hidden in plain sight, and that is why many do not go here:

THEY, BETHEL’S OWN LEADERSHIP CORE (Dan8:12; Dan11:32a), are in on, AND FOR, the attempted TOTAL destruction of the JW Organization at global scale and the premature cancellation of that ministry made official by their own mouth (WT 7/15/15), into a JW Global Hoax of “the end” that will be the enemy designed outcome instead.

The real end, is coming on Bethel. They want to sell their wnd, as if “the end”. (2Thess2:1-2)

THAT is the obvious answer, that JWs and even JW critics are not so eager to accept the true implications of. But in time, it will get clearer. (Dan8:14; Dan8:26)

UN-NGO-Bethel is enemy infiltrated, and set for destruction, and God will permit and require it for the massive sins the enemy system has sown into the JW ministry to ensure they get such an ENORMOUS sacking GUARANTEED, REQUIRED by God. (Hos1:4-7; Isa36:10; Dan11:41; Dan8:13-14)

THEY [[KNOW]] (Isa36:10) THEY GET THE ORG to “trample”!!!! (Dan8:13-14) They are INSIDE completing the set up. (Dan11:32a; Dan8:12)

But it will be God who dictates to what degree this UN NGO JW ministry is decimated.

It can be 100%. He may recover within that now apostatized locale, but no way in the same farce of lawlessness and idol worship that has defined the JW ministry for 40 solid years and counting.

But for future proof, it is timed and decreed at Daniel 8:13-14. (Zech3:3-5)

It is the final temple judgment cycle (Rev8-11), just beginning. (1Pet4:17)

Liquidate, streamline, sack the place. T

As it is actually happening, tell JWs its “the end!” for cover. (And trap as many as they can, too; WT 11/15/13; 7/15/15)

Bethel’s JW Pied Piper for the JW lemmings, or Zechariah 11 “flock meant for the killing”.

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Now if one reads Cedars own brand of propaganda, how is the WTBTS is “buckling”, when they also have a few billion in JP Morgan money market investment alone? How are they “going broke” when they just liquidated a BILLION in NY real estate alone, since 2010?

The truth is they have raked in BILLIONS from JW donations and slave labor real estate valuation projects, and they are “streamling” to get OUT with as much of that, that is not nailed to the ground, come total WTBTS engineered crash time.

The WT is FAR FROM BROKE! What a joke!

Even what is nailed to the ground will be probably 40 Bethel branches also liquidated, over 20 already since 2010, if I am not mistaken.

It is called a coup, and draining JWs of every last dime, before they go. They are looting the place before they cut out. JWs will be luckky to save even one Kingdom Hall, it is a planned super-coup on the JW org, plain and simple.

And there is more than that to demonstrate they want to sell their end, as “the end” to JWs, to smokescreen their exit under a JW global hoax!

All ALL of it is foretold! Bethel is the final signal apostasy headed for judgment, not “the end of the world” for quite some time!

To prove that, that is why they have JWs expecting “Daniel 11:44 next brothers!”, way way way TOO SOON:

Russia Framed as King North—The Purpose
https://jwupdate.wordpress.com/2015/07/18/russia-framed-as-king-north-the-true-purpose/

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[QUOTE who=”Lordylordy9111″]I believe we are entering the 4th UN cycle soon. It will be a resolution in more ways than just government but also BTG, Sodom and Egypt; and Joshua and the state of God’s people (Zechariah 3:1-5).
Keep praying.[/QUOTE]

Yes contrary to Bethel’s use of “Babylon the Great is attacked first!” and “next”, that harlot is MOST USEFUL until AFTER they complete world government.

Under world government the “two witnesses” are deposed first, then BTG and Christendom.

It can easily be proven in Revelation, full 8th King is who will depose BTG, last.

And Christ arrives into that period as well, and secures sheep first, even some sheep to fall out of the BTG judgment. some of God’s “my people” will be in BTG, all the way till the end. God’s mercy will be off the charts for all He can and will save come Christ arrival time, under full global government.

That is why we have to bring the tru OPEN SALVATION MESSAGE to all people. Some stubborn “sheep”, who we may mistakenly think are “goats”, WILL be shaken out of the BTG downfall period, GUARANTEED:

(Revelation 14:6-8) . . .And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, and he had everlasting good news to declare as glad tidings to those who dwell on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people, 7 saying in a loud voice: “FEAR God and give him glory, because the hour of the judgment by him has arrived, and so worship the One who made the heaven and the earth and sea and fountains of waters.”

8 And another, a second angel, followed, saying: “She has fallen! Babylon the Great has fallen, she who made all the nations drink of the wine of the anger of her fornication!”

Revelation 14:6-7 must be being proclaimed BY ANGELS and fully arrived Christ aiding the process, in the events to lead to that Revelation 14:8 finality statement.

As with the real fall of Babylon in 537 BCE, many more people are to be freed, and saved, and brought to “Jerusalem”, which by then as per Revelation 14:1 time, is super-natural in power:

(Zechariah 2:5) . . .And I myself shall become to her,” is the utterance of Jehovah, “a wall of fire all around, and a glory is what I shall become in the midst of her.”’”

(Zechariah 2:3-6) . . .And, look! the angel who was speaking with me was going forth, and there was another angel going forth to meet him. 4 Then he said to him: “Run, speak to the young man over there, saying, ‘“As open rural country Jerusalem will be inhabited, because of the multitude of men and domestic animals in the midst of her. 5 And I myself shall become to her,” is the utterance of Jehovah, “a wall of fire all around, and a glory is what I shall become in the midst of her.”’” 6 “Hey there! Hey there! Flee, then, YOU people, from the land of the north,” is the utterance of Jehovah.. . .

OPEN RURAL COUNTRY GLOBAL:

(Ezekiel 38:11) . . .[Gog] must say: “I shall go up against the land of open rural country. . . .

And this is because “Jerusalem” will be in 100% spirit immortal power over all earth, the “rural open country” that the 8th Kign and Gog totality, go out to try to exterminate, under full world government!

No need for a “wall”:

(Ezekiel 38:11) . . .I shall come in upon those having no disturbance, dwelling in security, all of them dwelling without wall, and they do not have even bar and doors.”

That “wall” will now be the “WALL OF FIRE”, “Jerusalem” complete and “come down from heaven” for final war with the 8th King and Satan.

That is why those final sheep are in “open rural country”, with no “wall” on earth, for God will come down as the Jerusalem Global Wall of Fire.

All the big entities must first complete, including Revelation 14:1 based Messianic Kingdom “Zion” “Jerusalem”.

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BUT, yes, the whole truth must be clarified FIRST, to make it all known, so Bethel has to go down FIRST!

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The conundrum is Bethel joining the UN grass roots UN organizational promotions network, or Matthew 24:15 in modern times.

Now a real Messianic Kingdom spokesperson of course cannot share at both the UN table of “food” now laced up by Bethel, and the real Kingdom of God prophecy which requires the 7th King to of course fall, before 8th King World Government fully globalizes (Rev16:13-16) into that final abomination.

Bethel, rather than spell out the truth Revelation 8-11 and 16 has a final cycle coming up, says this:

The Watchtower 06152012 – Paragraph 19

We are living in the days of the seventh head. No more heads will appear on this beast before it is annihilated. The Anglo-American World Power will be the dominant world power when false religion is eradicated.

The prophecies of Daniel and John have been fulfilled to the smallest detail.

We can be confident that the destruction of false religion and the battle of Armageddon will soon come. God has revealed these details in advance. Will we pay attention to the prophetic warnings? (2 Pet. 1:19) Now is the time to take sides with Jehovah and to support his Kingdom.—Rev. 14:6, 7.

They say that, while misleading JWs that “the prophecies of Daniel and John have been fulfilled to the smallest detail.”

So we really have UN NGO cohorts now writing the “spiritual food” to instead sell JWs the 7th King and Bethel downfall, as if “the end”, which it will not be.

Thus the worship of God means worship in spirit AND truth, anywhere, because at Bethel is mixed UN agenda.

To those who “discern” and “catch sight” of this:

(Matthew 24:15-16) “Therefore, when you catch sight of the

(UN NGO; Dan11:31)

disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken of through Daniel the prophet

(modern Dan11:31 “disgusting thing that causes desolation” as parallel of Dan8:13 “transgression causing desolation”),

standing in a holy place

(in the anointed Christian “constant feature” ministry as UN NGO),

(let the reader use discernment,)

16 then let those in Judea begin fleeing to the mountains.

(Because the JW Bethel desolation judgment for that UN NGO “transgression causing desolation” is near; 1Pet4:17; Dan8:13-14; Rev8:3-5);

Then Bethel and their leadership is to be shunned, they are spritually dead, actors and as good as dfd by God at this time.

And that is why the “faithful slave” UN-GB wants no anointed Christians outside of their Sin Center to have an authority with Jehovah’s witnesses. They also denigrate and insult all anointed Christians, all Jehovah’s witnesses, and all people.

And that is why all will see destructuve events soon come on the WTBTS UN NGO apostasy soon. (Dan8:13-14 as Daniel 11:41 Dan11 position)

So there are some who fled apostate Jerusalem, for a judgment is nigh, and are still worshipers of Jehovah, in truly clean standing and up to date truth. The UN at Bethel is not acceptable to true Christians, with this awareness, that they must “discern” for themselves.

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AFTER Bethel Falls:

JW Recovery: After Bethel Falls
https://jwupdate.wordpress.com/2015/08/06/jw-recovery-after-bethel-falls/

World Reaction to Bethel Failure—Doubt All Christian Prophecy
https://jwupdate.wordpress.com/2015/08/06/world-reaction-to-bethel-failure-doubt-all-christian-prophecy/

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Liquidate, streamline, sack.

All “leaks” are inside out, not “leaks” at all but devices to continue to discredit the whole thing, but in different ways, for JWs and externals.

But I heard that was not a “leak”.

In any event there are internals at Bethel that also know something else is going on overall. I know of some that were working on Wallkill, code name the “Golden Calf”.

But I do not know to what extent they know, because ultimately God has to break the real news, and that after the full sacking of Bethel.

Days of sackcloth await.

I do not go to the Calf Hall anymore, but the end of Ministry School, to me a long time Jehovah’s witness, and still one, is an insult.

To JWs it can be read as if “they know how close the end is!”. I heard that talk too, of “brothers, the preaching work is at apex, that is what they say up at Bethel, it IS close!”.

BULL

What is at apex is the STUMBLING work of lawless Bethel. The JW ministry is at a pathetic ALL TIME LOW SINK OF DEBAUCHERY!

And it is the end of the JW Org as all they can “see”, because they are in on it, from the inside out. Cedars and JWN are the external sites, also in the stumble network, who “interprets” for people how to stumble in detail.

One dirty hand, Bethel, feeds out their own internal garbage, like the UN NGO, to the external how-to-stumble-for-dummies external supports. It is a DUAL operation, fool and stumble JWs at the same time, and support the dirty laundry business for the external discrediting campaign outlets. (Like Cedars)

In reality it is ONE BIG OVERALL OPERATION.

It is obvious, the more design shows up, especially since 2012. One thing keeps leading to another, and it is a LIQUIDATION, and streamlining for sacking amidst the latest amped up distractions like the new Bible and the JW Media Circus joke.

All ORCHESTRATED, inside to out, outside to in, for one purpose:

STUMBLE, then CANCEL the JW ministry prematurely amidst global lawless scandals ad infinitum.

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As an example on Cedars fraud, we KNOW the org is in control of easily 10 billion liquid cash and investment assets. Yet Cedars is like “they are buckling!”, they are going broke!; because that is that site’s angle.

But ANYONE can research the org is in the BLACK to the tune of 10 Billion, conservative estimate, not to mention the ministerial assets on the ground.

I would not be surprised if they have not funneled 20 billion through the place since 1980. What makes them all the more lucrative, is all the “zealous” JW slaves “adding value” to anything physical the org touches. They can turn 1 donated JW dollar into 10, by such a slave labor force.

They are now liquidating and getting out the major egg, BEFORE the major sacking cycle coming up. And it will come, with a major US and EU financial transformation, at the same time, imo, somehow.

It is planned to coincide and look like “the end” to fooled JWs. (2Thess2:1-2) THAT is the exiting smokescreen, “its the end brothers!” final hoax to cap it all off.

After the sacking, then the reality will surface, because God will not remain uninvolved, the truth has to come out after the “trampling” runs its course. (Dan8:13-14)

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[QUOTE who=”Lordylordy9111″]King North and the wild beast are all working under the same political kingdom and when KN fails so does the woild beast shown at Danial 11:45 and Revelation 17:14. They will come to their end by coming all the way to the Holy mountian which must be a place of worship like mount Sinai.

Babylon the Great will lose her ride and authority to command the world kings. She will be around but she will not control the world. She will be in thw background until God has the world destroy her completely.

KN’s army is the abomination that causes desolation and it will fail before the holy mountian (Danial 11:31). This is shown by Bethel’s celebrating the UN baby birthday of satan’s beast war maker in the sanctuary and holy alters. Now both will receive the same judgment. They fail! [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE who=”Lordylordy9111″]
KN’s army is the abomination that causes desolation and it will fail before the holy mountian (Danial 11:31). This is shown by Bethel’s celebrating the UN baby birthday of satan’s beast war maker in the sanctuary and holy alters. Now both will receive the same judgment. They fail! [/QUOTE]

The reason why King North arrives at the IMPLIED location of “Jerusalem”, by this time the real “Jerusalem” they will claim to be, will be complete as covered earlier:

(Daniel 11:45) . . .And he will plant his palatial tents between [the] grand sea and the holy mountain of Decoration; and he will have to come all the way to his end, and there will be no helper for him.

And that is because “Jerusalem” by that time is in full spirit form (Rev14:1; Zech2:5), as gathered by Christ, who also stands up in that sequence as noted:

(Daniel 12:1) And DURING that time Michael will stand up, the great prince who is standing in behalf of the sons of your people. And there will certainly occur a time of distress such as has not been made to occur since there came to be a nation until that time.

(recall he must stand in the temple for purification first; Mal3:1-5 (Rev9 final), but that leads to the clarified final warning (Rev9-10) of him standing as full Messianic King of kings, to be deployed a final time (Rev11:1-7))

And that is why “during that time” of Daniel 11:42-45 segway of global events, the first phase of that “time of distress” resolves before Christ arrives:

(Matthew 24:29-31) Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

(Notice the “tribulation of those days” RESOLVES (the healing), even BEFORE Christ arrives; in fact even before other significant events form, like the putting out of the “lights” of the nation-state “old world order” societal constellations of power!)

30 AND THEN the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, AND THEN all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in lamentation, AND [THEN] they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 AND [THEN] he will send forth his angels with a great trumpet sound, and they will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds (Rev7:1-4), from one extremity of the heavens to their other extremity.

And as we see much occurs as symbolically related BEFORE Christ fully arrives, and there is NO destruction in that period from Christ, he “gathers” the “sheep” first. (Rev14:6-8; Rev14:14-16; Matt25:31-40)

And this world government “attack” period, below, of Daniel 8:25 “bring many to ruin” DURING “a freedom from care” (final peace and security parallel under world government) is this:

(Daniel 11:44) . . .“But there will be reports (for example the “little scroll” report) that will disturb him, out of the sunrising and out of the north, and he will certainly go forth in a great rage in order to annihilate and to devote many to destruction. (including the “two witneses” ministry, and BTG and Revelation 13:15-18 generalized 666 resisters)

(Daniel 8:25) And in his heart he will put on great airs, and during a freedom from care he will bring many to ruin. And against the Prince of princes he will stand up (into world government), but it will be without hand that he will be broken.

Which world government “attack” culminates this:

(Revelation 11:7) And when they have FINISHED their witnessing (1260 days expired), the wild beast that ascends out of the abyss (Rev17:8-13) will make war with them and conquer them and kill them. (culminates Rev13:5-7 “authority, 1260 days expired fully)

As the final “ascension” of the 8th King wildbeast, is that same “place his palatial tents” and “stand up” as the events that COMPLETE “Jerusalem” are activated (Rev11:1-10) which “gather his chosen ones together” is this parallel:

(Revelation 11:11-12) . . .And after the three and a half days spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet, and great fear fell upon those beholding them. 12 And they heard a loud voice out of heaven say to them: “Come on up here.” And they went up into heaven in the cloud, and their enemies beheld them.

Just to finish that theme from the post prior, of how Christ arrives (to complete “Jerusalem” Messianic Kingdom) under complete world government (Ps110:2) as that Revelation 11:7 “ascension” is this parallel of the final revival of the UN entity, to also take advantage of that “healing” parallel WITH this final “ascension” into world government 8th King defined “one hour” final:

(Revelation 17:8-13) The wild beast that you saw was, but is not, and yet is about to ascend out of the abyss, and it is to go off into destruction. And when they see how the wild beast was, but is not, and yet will be present, those who dwell on the earth will wonder admiringly, but their names have not been written upon the scroll of life from the founding of the world. 9 “Here is where the intelligence that has wisdom comes in: The seven heads mean seven mountains, where the woman sits on top. 10 And there are seven kings: five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet arrived, but when he does arrive he must remain a short while.

11 And the wild beast that was but is not, it is also itself an eighth [king], but springs from the seven, and it goes off into destruction. 12 “And the ten horns that you saw mean ten kings, who have not yet received a kingdom, but they do receive authority as kings one hour with the wild beast. 13 These have one thought, and so they give their power and authority to the wild beast.

As we note that 8th King is the one that “goes off into destruction”. The 7th King merely “ends” by “remain a short while”, he is naturally deposed in this sequence that led to Daniel 11:44:

(Daniel 11:42-43) And he will keep thrusting out his hand against the lands; and as regards the land of Egypt, SHE (nation-state 7th King system made subservient) will not prove to be an escapee. 43 And [King North] will actually rule over the hidden treasures of the gold and the silver and over all the desirable things of Egypt. (empowering Revelation 13:15-18 666 “buy and sell”  finale)

Thus that has yet to fulfill, Bethel is set up here internally by apostasy and infiltration (Dan8:12; Dan11:32a), which must become globally visible soon, in the future:

(Daniel 11:41) He will also actually enter into the land of the Decoration, and there will be many [people] that will be made to stumble.

So that above, is well before the events that lead to the real Daniel 11:44.

As we know Bethel has been selling JWs the premature, over advanced, misapplied expectation of “Daniel 11:44 attack” to sell that impression, deceptively, to cover the anti-JW-org events that are coming up in Daniel 11:41, first. (1Pet4:17; Dan8:13-14) Daniel 11:41 is when the Bethel apostasy is “trampled” for the UN NGO “transgression causing desolation” pinnacle of sin:

(Daniel 8:13) How long will the vision be of the constant [feature] and of the transgression causing desolation, to make both [the] holy place and [the] army things to trample on?”

And thus Daniel 8:14 timing and “right condition” temple purification purpose comes first as Zech3:1-5 parallel:

(Zechariah 3:3-4) Now as for Joshua, he happened to be clothed in befouled garments and standing before the angel. 4 Then he answered and said to those standing before him: “Remove the befouled garments from upon him.” And he went on to say to him: “See, I have caused your error to pass away from upon you, and there is a clothing of you with robes of state.”

[QUOTE who=”Lordylordy9111″]King North and the wild beast are all working under the same political kingdom and when KN fails so does the woild beast shown at Danial 11:45 and Revelation 17:14. They will come to their end by coming all the way to the Holy mountian which must be a place of worship like mount Sinai.
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Revelation 13 and 17 give us the global development of the eventual full bodied and seven headed Scarlet Wildbeast 8th King, as a global “bodied” totality of world government.

Daniel King North is the Hebrew era prophets world government details that also give the formation of the Bethel apostasy in the same context to become recognizable with that covered up 3rd UN event and Bethel UN NGO. (Dan11:30-32) Daniel 8:23-25, and Daniel 11:29-45 are the 3rd and 4th UN placement sequences, 1990, and the future. (And hence why Bethel purposely ignoring and COVERING UP those prophecies, aids them keeping JWs in the dark, to sack the place.

And as they sack it, they have also installed the premature “the end” delusion of 2 Thessalonians 2:1-2, for a smokescreen to totally HOAX JWs come that time, and it will come.

Now God notes the Cold War would be unique in this final phase:

(Daniel 11:29) “At the time appointed he

(King North/8th King globalists) 

will go back, and he will actually come against the south

(the nation-state whole King South/7th King system);

but it will not prove to be at the last the same as at the first. 

(the nature of the Cold War is notably unique and different than the former two world war “hot war” operations of the globalists)

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So we KNOW where we are here for Daniel 11:30-31.

And here is when the Daniel 11 CO-DEVELOPING Bethel UN NGO flagged apostasy develops, WITH that 3rd UN global presentation:

(Daniel 11:30-31) “And he (8th King/King North)

will actually go back and hurl denunciations against the holy covenant and act effectively 

(produces a successful operation Dan8:12b);

and he (8th King)

will have to go back and will give consideration to those leaving the holy covenant. 

(anointed core defection at Bethel aids internal 8th King access)

31 (Bethel subversion:) And there will be arms that will stand up

(at Bethel; Dan11:41; Luke21:20),

proceeding from him (8th King planners);

and they (collusion)

will actually profane the sanctuary, the fortress, and remove the constant [feature]. 

(3rd UN placement 1990:) “And they (team effort of the above just described with KN) will certainly put in place the disgusting thing that is causing desolation.

(3rd UN placement, 1990; UN NGO, 1991, at Bethel; Matt24:15; Dan8:13 “transgression causing desolation”);

(Daniel 11:32) “And those who are acting wickedly against [the] covenant (at Bethel), he (8th King/King North) will lead into apostasy by means of smooth words. (The Bethel “smooth words” 8th King cover-up in the JW publications is part of the smoothly justified apostasy);

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In reality in prophecy the 4 UN cycles are like this:

Four 8th King UN Cycles to World Government – 1919-Future

UN 1. 1919 – Rev13:11-15 (Dan12:11 first fulfillment) as League of Nations after WW1;

A. International Bible Students Association (IBSA) explained as prophecy;

UN 2. 1945 – Rev17:8-11 as United Nations after WW2;

A. Jehovah’s Witnesses (JW) explained as prophecy;

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Unknown and unstated by UN NGO aligned Jehovah’s witnesses:
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UN 3. 1990 – Daniel 11:31b as United Nations “New World Order” Initiative after WW3 (Cold War) (Dan11:29);

A. Covered up by Bethel as UN NGO, not explained as prophecy by any religious group;

[We are Here…]

UN 4. Future; World Government- Daniel 11:45; Daniel 8:25; (Daniel 12:11 last fulfillment) as United Nations and World Government after 4th world tribulation/war cycle to come.

A. Not currently explained by Bethel in lieu of a premature “end of the world” deception. (2Thess2:1-2)

B. To be explained after the JW temple judgment desolation, purification and removal of lawless Bethel engineered subversion (2Thess2:1-4; Dan11:30-31; Dan8:11-13);

All we have had to update is post 1990, and Bethel apostasy which of course will not divulge these truths, because internal Bethel is a UN aiding  ally. In reality their UN NGO is from their heart, the are how KN “leads into apostasy” the whole JW ministry. SOON, God will be dealing with them directly, first, as Michael “Angel of the Covenant” first “stands” in the temple (Mal3:1-5), to effect the required purification, to effect the eventual final warning, to then unfold as the King North 8th King system is going from “sword stroke” to “healing” to being not “the end”, but world government in first.

Bethel is purposely concealing that required final UN cycle of prophecy, and instead they can sack JWs, and sell it to them as “the end”, which it will not be. It will just be the end of the apostasy allowed interference. For a time (Dan8:14), JWs will be in utter scattered darkness. “The evening” of Daniel 8:14 and Daniel 8:26.

By PROPHECY, not “conspiracy theory” but God’s revealed conspiracy REALITY, we know WHAT they do, WHEN they did it, WHO they are, WHERE they are and WHY they are and how they are pulling this off among JWs.

When GOD does a prophecy, it has ALL the needed details and time frame! It is all in Daniel 8:11-14, and Daniel 11:30-35.

It is Bethel apostasy and horrid stumbling policy, and internal treacheries that is actually this:

(Daniel 11:32-35) “And those who are acting wickedly against [the] covenant, he will lead into apostasy by means of smooth words. But as regards the people who are knowing their God, they will prevail and act effectively. 33 And as regards those having insight among the people, they will impart understanding to the many. And they will certainly be made to stumble by sword and by flame, by captivity and by plundering, for [some] days. 34 But when they are made to stumble they will be helped with a little help; and many will certainly join themselves to them by means of smoothness. (more weeds and impostors) 35 And some of those having insight will be made to stumble, in order to do a refining work because of them and to do a cleansing and to do a whitening, until the time of [the] end; because it is yet for the time appointed.

The “time appointed” is Daniel 8:14, for full “cleansing” hence “right condition” to be accomplished.

When Christ comes to the temple for this final purification and final blast of holy spirit to empower the full recovery of truth, those impostors and apostates IN BETHEL’S GLOBAL “a system of things”, will be removed, and this will no longer be permitted by God, as this all had to fulfill signal prophecy to aid the explainability of the final warning by exposing real Bethel UN laden apostasy and its 3rd to 4th UN cycle COVER UP purpose.

(Isaiah 66:6) There is a sound of uproar out of the city, a sound out of the temple! It is the sound of Jehovah repaying what is deserved to his enemies.

THAT comes on the Bethel apostates as the Daniel 8:14 “the evening” phase (Dan8:26) is ending. The desolation must run the full course for divine accounting of the UN NGO and other Bethel sins. But when God is satisfied to the full extent of his decree at Daniel 8:13, the “angel of the covenant” will pay a visit to the trespassers (Zech3:4-5 parallel Rev9; Mal3:1-5), to begin the total purification culmination by total removal of the apostate and impostor obstacles keeping this information from JWs and people in general.

Thus these events are this wake up call:

(Matthew 25:5-7) While the bridegroom was delaying, they all nodded and went to sleep. 6 Right in the middle of the night there arose a cry, ‘Here is the bridegroom! Be on your way out to meet him.’ 7 Then all those virgins rose and put their lamps in order.

Every “virgin” awakes, but as you know not all will have the “oil” reserve to explain the real reality. That “light” is the parallel of the Daniel 8:14 “the morning” phase of enlightening recovery. It is also the “light” of the Revelation 9 “pit of the abyss” being “opened” by that Angel, as Christ. Once the “trampling” blackness on Jehovah’s witnesses fully runs “the evening” phase of desolations and accounting, THEN God and Christ will come in with the full lights on.

(Hosea 6:1-3) “Come, you people, and do let us return to Jehovah, for he himself has torn in pieces but he will heal us. He kept striking, but he will bind us up. 2 He will make us alive after two days. On the third day he will make us get up, and we shall live before him. 3 And we will know, we will pursue to know Jehovah. Like dawn, his going forth is firmly established. And he will come in like a pouring rain to us; like a spring rain that saturates [the] earth.”

Thus there will also be a full recovery of the truth. And it may also parallel the “healing” of the “sword stroke” phase, which is running in some manner with the Daniel 8:14 timing and events. We will have to pay close attention to Daniel 8:13-14 signal starting event, and to how it all unfolds as 2300 “evenings and mornings”. Darkness first, then light.

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[QUOTE who=”Lordylordy9111″]What is Wallkill code name “Golden Calf”? The internal mechanisms who leak could be high up at Bethel like an elder. Could it be possible one of the creepy GB is leaking? It would change my mind about them at all. I like Johnny the Bethelite. They are doing good work.[/QUOTE]

The org is complex. King North is more complex. They KNOW they do not want the 3rd (1990) and 4th (future) UN cycles explained. That is why they killed Russell, tried to depose Rutherford by a board of directors coup (1917), THEN when that failed they tossed them into prison. They did not want the first UN League of Nations tied to prophecy!

Had those Bible Student leaders done their full first sentences, the 1919 League of Nations would not have been exposed in the 1920s, right at London. Had Rutherford not kept a grip on the board there after…:

***Jehovah’s Witnesses in the Divine Purpose (1959); pp. 70-71***

“”Their [1917] idea was to make the president’s position secondary to the board of directors and limit his authority to that of an adviser. That would have meant making a change in the corporation’s bylaws, and since it was a complete departure from the provisions of the original charter it warned of serious trouble ahead.

Throughout the entire administration of Pastor Russell, the president and the other officers of the Society had been the ones to decide on new publications; the board of directors, as a body, WAS NOT CONSULTED. Brother Rutherford CONTINUED this same policy as he took up the new administration.””

… the 2nd UN of 1945 would not have had enough momentum to also be exposed. They also wanted to silnece the meaning of the UN event of 1945. But they failed.

FIRST WITNESS: SUCCESS!!

It was AFTER Rutherford “died” in 1942, also during a world war distraction period, like Russell in WW1, that the “governing body” term even surface in 1944. And by 1976 they had achieved what the “board of directors” KN seeded body had tried to do in 1897 against Russell, and in 1917 against Rutherford. NOW what Rutherford kept in check, is now “business as usual” among JWs today: “to make the president’s position secondary to the board of directors” or the so-called “governing body”.

BETHEL COUP: SOON TO BE SUCCESS

1944 Governing Body Birthday—1944-1976 WTBTS Board of Directors Coup Finally Realized
https://jwupdate.wordpress.com/bethel-final-apostasy/1944-governing-body-birthday-19144-1976-wtbts-board-of-directors-coup-finally-realized/

So after the 2nd United Nations prophecy was exposed, King North had to double down and MAKE SURE they not only kept the 1990 3rd United Nations presentation silenced, they even joined it as UN NGO!!

FINAL APOSTASY: SUCCESS!!!

So King North at Bethel (Dan11:32a; Dan8:12) is NOT MESSING AROUND either inside of Bethel, or outside to stumble, discredit, lace in sins, and keep the UN silence agenda in force.

So people inside of Bethel from way back, and the KN external operations, work hand in hand. Think that 7 domed scarlet curtain backdrop at Stanley Theater is accidental? Think that scarlet colored Wallkill Bethel complex is accidental if that really is the final color? King North IS IN THE BUILDING! KN is AT Bethel. (Dan11:32a) The “Governing Body” is that long sought after control device, that now “leads into apostasy” for KN, right inside Bethel! ALL A BUNCH OF KN ACTORS!!!!

So KN are experts at globalist intelligence infiltration and subversion and are experts at the financial system the designed and operate. So Bethel is wired into a far bigger KN “Mother Board”, and the operation is too old and well planned to not carry out the final purpose of the sacking:

To cancel the JW ministry amidst massive global scandal, undermining  the eventual 1990 3rd UN cycle to 4th UN cycle of world government news that will in time emerge after the apostasy is removed, and exposed properly—while en route not to the JW expected “the end”, but to World Government first! Bethel is also installing a foretold delusion (2Thess2:1-2), to help cover their KN 4th UN cycle meaning as long as they possibly can! (Dan8:13-14)

But not forever. In time God will make sure the whole news emerges after Bethel is sacked in Daniel 11:41 as Daniel 8:13-14. That is Revelation 8 temple judgment to Revelation 9 recovery meaning, where the locusts expose Bethel this time, not Christendom. It prepares the full final warning, amidst a global focus on the JW debacle and corporate trampling, for now. In time that is all shown in explicit 3rd to 4th UN prophecy. (Dan11:30-35; Dan8:11-14)

Daniel 8 and 11 Final Apostasy and 3rd UN Placement (1990) Connections and Parallels
http://templelijah.wordpress.com/daniel-12/daniel-8-and-11-final-apostasy-and-3rd-un-placement-1990-connections-and-parallels/

SECOND WITNESS: HAS YET TO BECOME A SUCCESS!!

But it will (Rev11:1-7), and it will complete the UN 1-2, to the UN 1-2-3-4, actually in the prophecy now being severed and concealed by KN run apostate Bethel, also as per prophecy with that 3rd UN placement of Daniel 11:29-32, after the unique Cold War 3rd UN cycle had expired to define Daniel 11:29 meaning of final cycle uniqueness.

None of this Bethel preparation and liquidation for the sacking is accidental. NONE OF IT. They want to dust Bethel, and try to keep the UN 3-4 totally SILENT, with JWs global scattered and bewildered in temple judgment desolations (of Dan11:41 and Dan8:13), NOT “the end” that JWs will think is manifesting as Daniel 11:44 WAY WAY TOO SOON!

So there coup must have a final success, to mark the “trampling” meaning clearly, for later explanation, when God purges these trespassing frauds, also well before “the end”. In time it will become the only real explanation of Daniel 8:13-14. The GB is how Bethel was “gradually give over” (Dan8:12) to the WRONG CONDITION, now present in the JW ministry in terminal and mature form.

The focus will have to go to Daniel 8:14, and the lie Bethel now tells to cover their dirty arse at this time:

How Daniel 8:12-14 Unright Condition Has Been Developed by the Profane Governing Body Since 1944
https://templelijah.wordpress.com/dan8/how-daniel-812-14-unright-condition-has-been-developed-by-the-profane-governing-body-since-1944/

1944 is the key year of Bethel development to full blown apostasy of today. Just two years after Guard Rutherford died. NOT ACCIDENTAL AS WELL!!!

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[QUOTE who=”Sanctus2012″]Hmmm I notice the lack of JW’s rebuttals here…mind you, what can they say apart from panick as the mother ship implodes.[/QUOTE]

Because JWs can interpret as if “the brothers know how close the end really is!”. “They know the end of the world is right around the corner!!”

But it is the end of org, aided from within, that is the end they will sell to JWs the whole time as “its the end of the world brothers!!!! we told ya so!!!! obey obey obey!!!! we are real!!!!!”

And JWs will not be able to tell the difference between the end of the org and the end of the world.

Except the world will not end, that is when JWs will have to “clue in” to reality. It was a coup to cancel their ministry, with the blessing of all involved, prematurely.

God allows it because it has gone UN NGO apostate anyways.

The 7th King falls for 8th king world government. That is what “arrives” before “the end”, and before Christ final arrival.

In time JWs will be “clued in” by God. They were duped from within Bethel. (Dan11:32a; Dan8:12)

So the whole time, Bethel has also been concealing their UN NGO apostasy that co-develops with that 3rd UN global presentation in 1990, that they also cover up as long as they can.

Crashing, bankrupting and canceling the JW ministry, from Bethel’s own mouth, will be the final attempt to keep it all silenced as long as they can.

In time the truth will come out though. (Dan8:13-14)
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[QUOTE who=”Matt9969″]JW’s are expected to make the watchtower and the governing body their gods. They cannot worship Jehovah without them, so it is gross idolatry. [/QUOTE]

Yes it is blatant idolatry. The idol merely claims the opposite of what they are.

But it took gradual development so that now this idolatry is the backdrop to a JW life, since 1976.

In 1976 the GB made themselves the official house idol, by decree of spiritual deth, for anyone questioning their dictatorship, empowered by WT charter changes to give them corporate authority as well.

If that aint a red flag what is? The UN NGO by 1991? How about the ruination and looting of the org?

Will that be enough to wake JWs up?

No. God DESTROYING THE IDOL, right in front of jaw dropped JW faces, is what it will take, to clear the JW cataracts. It is now that old, that “gradually give over” (Dan8:12) and that bad.

The GB Experiment is a FAILURE and will become a full blown DISASTER in time. It is a CURSE, just wait and see. (Dan8:13-14)

It all BEGAN in 1944, the first time ever the “governing body” term, long used at Babel, and long used by Christendom, was FIRST UTTERED and WW2 and Rutherford death distracted Bethel:

1944 Governing Body Birthday—1944-1976 WTBTS Board of Directors Coup Finally Realized
https://jwupdate.wordpress.com/bethel-final-apostasy/1944-governing-body-birthday-19144-1976-wtbts-board-of-directors-coup-finally-realized/

That is the first DNA of the criminal operation at the Bethel CSI crime scene: 1944.
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[QUOTE who=”curtjester1″]<quoted text>
The woman giving birth is the birth of God’s promised kingdom in the heavens as promised by the first prophecy of the woman in Gen. 3:15. Crowns are given for those who are going to rule, Jesus, as “the male child” Rev. 6:2, he is given a “crown” which starts his last days, last generation Ride. This coincides with the birth of the kingdom and subsequent details of Jesus’ Ride when he as Michael has kicked the demons out of heaven to the earth for a woeful time for the earth. Rev. 12: 7-12. So those given crowns, Rev. 2:10 who will rule with Jesus, Rev. 1:6, have been resurrected at the kingdom’s birth. The rest live in the Last Days until their life is over and are getting harassed by Satan…Rev. 12: 13, 14….those who have the commandment and “do bear witness to Jesus”…and are persecuted by imprisonments and many things as we see. Whatever you’re in, doesn’t apply.
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So, the crown was given in GOD’S KINGDOM, because the Messianic Kingdom was just being born in 1914, to a “crowned” “woman”, already “crowned”, correct?

Thus the Messianic Kingdom kingship (only born at that time) is what Christ has yet to receive (Rev19:11-16); but he has received the power in God’s Kingdom temporarily (1Cor15:24-28);

And that very important final Kingdom event REQUIREMENT is not being explained by Bethel, because they are in divine disapproval as an idol among JWs.

After they fall, the Messianic Kingdom completion requirement will also be explained. For there are two Kingdoms, God’s Kingdom overall and Christ’s Kingdom for Earthly rulership, and they BOTH must receive a full Kingdom “witness”.

Now I have never heard of JWs calling Christ the “male child”, it is a symbol of the whole Messianic Kingdom birth (the baby must also mature to the full).

in 1914 it was just being born (“stone” cut from a pre-existent “mountain” in Daniel 2:31-45); obviously God’s Kingdom always has been.

*** Insight on the Scriptures-2 p. 187 Labor Pains ***

Who would this “son, a male,” be? He was to “shepherd all the nations with an iron rod.” This was foretold of God’s Messianic King, at Psalm 2:6-9. But John saw this vision long after Christ’s birth on earth and his death and resurrection. The vision would therefore appear to refer to the birth of the Messianic Kingdom in the hands of God’s Son Jesus Christ, who, on being raised from the dead, “sat down at the right hand of God, from then on awaiting until his enemies should be placed as a stool for his feet.”—Heb 10:12, 13; Ps 110:1; Re 12:10.

*** it-2 p. 1198 Woman ***

This “woman” is described in John’s vision, in Revelation chapter 12. She is shown as bringing forth a son, a ruler who is to “shepherd all the nations with an iron rod.” (Compare Ps 2:6-9; 110:1, 2.) This vision was given to John long after Jesus’ human birth and also after his anointing as God’s Messiah. Since it obviously has to do with the same person, it must have reference, not to Jesus’ human birth, but to some other event, namely, his being installed in Kingdom power. So the birth of God’s Messianic Kingdom was here pictured.

So it has been an understood meaning of Messianic Kingdom birth:

*** w09 5/15 p. 18 Questions From Readers ***

First among the events is the birth of the Messianic Kingdom.

*** w05 9/1 p. 13 par. 1 Walk With God in These Turbulent Times ***

TURBULENT times! Those words well describe the years of unrest and violence that mankind has lived through since the birth of the Messianic Kingdom in 1914.

*** w95 1/1 p. 11 par. 3 The Integrity-Keeping Nation ***

In 1914 the Messianic Kingdom was brought forth in the heavens. (Revelation 12:5)

This may for now seem like a nit picking detail. But It is IMPORTANT that Jehovah’s witnesses understand their are two Kingdoms we are talking about, God’s Kingdom overall, and the Messianic Kingdom of Christ which is legally is installed to rule planet Earth—WHICH MUST ALSO COMPLETE FOR THE FINAL KINGDOM EVENT (Rev14:1).

This is because the Messianic Kingdom, but born in 1914, must also mature (Rev14:1) to the fullness of its intended global sovereign purpose, after 8th King world government has completed.

*** w89 2/1 p. 10 Covenants Involving God’s Eternal Purpose ***

That Watchtower is a really important explanation of all seven covenants:

1. Edenic Covenant
2. Abrahamic Covenant
3. Mosaic Covenant
4. Davidic Kingdom Covenant
5. Melchizedekian Priest Covenant
6. New Covenant
7. Christ’s Kingdom Covenant

Many Jehovah’s witnesses do not understand that Christ also “made a covenant” for a kingdom with his apostles and future disciples:

*** w89 2/1 pp. 19-20 Will You Benefit From God’s Covenants? ***

Jesus’ Covenant for a Kingdom

18 Reflecting on the six covenants that we have discussed, it might seem that Jehovah has legally arranged all that is needed to accomplish his purpose. Yet, the Bible brings up another covenant that ties in with what we have considered, a covenant that rounds out additional aspects of this vital matter. Spirit-begotten Christians rightly expect that ‘the Lord will deliver them from every wicked work and will save them for his heavenly kingdom.’ (2 Timothy 4:18) In heaven, they will be a nation of king-priests, but what will be their domain? When they are raised to heaven, Christ is already there as a perfect high priest. He will also have stood up with kingly power for universal rule. (Psalm 2:6-9; Revelation 11:15) What is there for the other king-priests to do?

19 On Nisan 14, 33 C.E., the evening Jesus instituted the Lord’s Evening Meal and mentioned “the new covenant by virtue of [his] blood,” he spoke of another covenant, the seventh for discussion. He told his faithful apostles: “You are the ones that have stuck with me in my trials; and I make a covenant with you, just as my Father has made a covenant with me, for a kingdom, that you may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones to judge the twelve tribes of Israel.” (Luke 22:20, 28-30) Just as the Father had made the covenant with Jesus to be a priest like Melchizedek, so Christ made a personal covenant with his loyal followers.

And the “mountain” and “stone” and eventual Messainic Kingdom “it became a large mountain and filled the whole earth” are symbols of two sovereignties, God’s Kingdom of God Almighty, and Christ Kingdom of Christ’s fulfillment of the Davidic Kingdom Covenent in Messianic Kingdom power, which will also get a clear final announcement in the future.

But Jehovah’s witnesses have understood the overall kingdom duality for a while.

*** w70 10/15 pp. 627-628 par. 11 The Kingdom of Salvation Available Today ***

What will they then come under? The kingdoms of this world, including Christendom, will have been destroyed, crushed by the Stone of God’s Messianic kingdom. In fulfillment of Daniel’s prophecy, that Royal Stone, growing to the proportions of a great mountain, will fill the whole earth. Satan the Devil, “the god of this system of things,” will have no control or place in this “mountain.” He and his demons will be both chained and confined in an abyss during the thousand-year reign of Christ. (Rev. 20:1-3, 7) Consequently, the surviving “men of goodwill” can do nothing but come under a new heavenly government, the Messianic kingdom of the Permanent Heir of King David, Jesus Christ, together with those who are joint heirs with him in the heavenly kingdom. A transformation of earthly conditions is bound to follow. A new righteous human society will be planted in it, just as after the Deluge of Noah’s day he and his family gave the human race a righteous new start. This is what the apostle Peter pointed ahead to, saying: “There are new heavens and a new earth that we are awaiting according to his promise, and in these righteousness is to dwell.”—2 Pet. 3:13.

*** w78 1/15 p. 7 The Agency for Restoring Peace ***

This kingdom of the “Son of man,” Christ Jesus, is actually an extension of Jehovah’s universal sovereignty. It is the Messianic kingdom, serving for a particular purpose. The prophet Daniel describes it as ‘a stone cut out of the mountain’ of Jehovah’s sovereignty, and hurled against a huge image picturing the “kingdoms” (governments) of earth. We read:

“In the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite.”—Dan 2:44.

Moreover, as the prophecy states, this stonelike kingdom will then become ‘a large mountain that fills the whole earth.’ (Dan. 2:31-45) Through this kingdom, God’s sovereignty will again be extended over mankind, bringing untold benefits.

*** w82 5/1 p. 17 par. 5 How the Kingdom ‘Comes’ ***

It remains, now, only for God’s kingdom to “come”! To come in what way? Why, in the way that the prophet Daniel describes in chapter two of his prophecy! Here the Messianic kingdom is portrayed as a “stone” of the symbolic “mountain” of Jehovah’s age-abiding sovereignty. Like a missile, this “stone” hurtles, yes, ‘comes,’ to strike down the structure of man-made governments, crushing these to powder. Then the Kingdom “stone” itself becomes a “mountain,” filling the earth, all to Jehovah’s praise and glory.—Daniel 2:34, 35, 44, 45.

*** w85 7/1 p. 27 par. 17 Triumphing in “the Final Part of the Days” ***

17 Thus, in “the final part of the days,” the issue of world domination comes to its culmination. And what is the solution? Look! Already set in motion since 1914 is God’s Messianic Kingdom. It is the “stone” cut out of the “mountain” of Jehovah’s universal sovereignty.

*** w00 5/15 p. 17 par. 10 Have Faith in God’s Prophetic Word! ***

By divine power the Messianic Kingdom “stone” was then cut out of the “mountain” of God’s universal sovereignty. At Armageddon that stone will strike the image and grind it to powder. As a governmental mountain affecting “the whole earth,” the Messianic Kingdom will stand forever.—Daniel 2:35, 45; Revelation 16:14, 16.

Obviously modern Bethel has fallen asleep on the MESSIANIC KINGDOM “ALL GROWN UP” COMPLETION REQUIREMENT of the future. In time that truth will come out of Bethel’s proverbial ashes. (Zech3:2)

Why TWO Witnesses? TWO Kingdoms
https://jwupdate.wordpress.com/2015/07/07/why-two-witnesses

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[QUOTE who=”dee lightful “]<quoted text> What scripture names demons as chief princes, like Michael is one of?
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(Ephesians 1:8-10) This he caused to abound toward us in all wisdom and good sense, 9 in that he made known to us the sacred secret of his will. It is according to his good pleasure which he purposed in himself 10 for an administration at the full limit of the appointed times. . .

(Ephesians 1:21) . . .far above every government and authority and power and lordship and every name named, not only in this system of things, but also in that to come.

(Ephesians 3:10) . . .[This was] to the end that now to the governments and the authorities in the heavenly places there might be made known through the congregation the greatly diversified wisdom of God. . .

(which must involve holy angelic “governments and the authorities in the heavenly places” knowing this sacred secret “good news” in full, first.)

(1 Peter 1:12) Into these very things angels are desiring to peer.

But those “governments and the authorities in the heavenly places” who get the “news” include the demons as well:

(Ephesians 6:12) …because we have a wrestling, not against blood and flesh, but against the governments, against the authorities, against the world rulers of this darkness, against the wicked spirit forces in the heavenly places.

Who have also gotten the “bad news” concerning their coming total ouster, by this very Kingdom development of God and Christ.

Angels and demons both have “governmental” structures, well beyond and unseen by humans. We only get a glimpse from the Bible, for the ones on God’s side. Satan can reveal things to his seed. But we do not need their questionable information, we need God’s reliable truth.

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