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607 BCE versus 586 BCE Dating—All’s Good! All’s Well, Couldn’t Be Better!

Jerusalem Exile=Destruction? 607 BCE versus 586 BCE Dating—All’s Good! All’s Well, Couldn’t Be Better!

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A New Peak Inside the Bethel 607 Centric Time Machine

King Nebuchadnezzar and King Cyrus are the dating benchmarks for 607 BCE and 537 BCE’s “seven times” as 70 years. Nebuchadnezzar is the visible “seven times” benchmark of 607 BCE as at the least Crown Prince, or King designate of Babylon, whose dynasty ended in 537 BCE, by the hand of Cyrus the Great’s Medo-Persian alliance empire pinnacle conquest. TWO marked dates, 70 years as “seven times” chopping down Babylon, but with no restoration of the physical nation or empire—as the door was opened for Israel to restore the temple and Jerusalem. In that context, the 70 years of Davidic King “trampling” and the 70 years of exile manifest, while retaining the full 607 BCE significance, with some added benefits to be covered here. 

The “seven times” is thus marked by BOTH the Gentile domination beginning with Nebuchadnezzar’s marked ascension, AND Jerusalem’s divine king subjugation, concurrently established. The exile is merely a third 70 years development in that greater “Sovereign Confrontation” setup, fully demonstrating ALL of Daniel 4’s prophetic features, while maintaining the 607 BCE benchmark with even greater sovereign meaning, as will be covered here.


This sovereign summary:


  • Respects the original “seven times” significance of 607 BCE to 1914 CE.

  • Sets up the “70 years” of Jerusalem and Temple destruction to restoration of the temple to completion in the 586-515-516 BCE spiritual tie in to Zechariah and Governor Zerubbabel and High Priest Joshua’s symbolic King-Priest coronation of Zechariah 6:9-15.

  • Sets up the “two witnesses”, 2 x 1260 days=2520 days Revelation fulfillments in its “seven times” significance in 1914-1918 and the future final witnessing warning, of the very real King-Priest coronation of Jesus Christ in the completion of the Messianic Kingdom agency of the Kingdom of God total sovereign “Jerusalem Above” system in the future.



In noticing “Penny’s Disassociation Letter”, and interesting idea and new perspective,…


…that 607 BCE is still valid, the only thing wrong was the assumption of a “exile and destruction” dual event requirement. So I took that idea and expanded on it in the direction I assumed sister Penny is possibly heading.

Bethel has minimized the initial Jehoiakim-to-Zedekiah Jerusalem intrigues and their actual significance in that era’s Jerusalem and Davidic king progression disruptions by gentile powers in Egypt and Babylon. Instead, the eventual climax of the Jerusalem destruction event became the main focus. And that 607 BCE magnetism drew in everything around it to 607’s centric gravitational nucleus of all Jehovah’s witness chronology timing from then to the past. That then sucked twenty years of the 586 BCE future (of that time), into that 607 BCE black hole “past”, by the massive gravity of the 607-1914 required “seven times” JW psychological super-mass, expanding everything after it 20 years, so the assumed 70 years destruction, could meet the 537 BCE Cyrus solid date. That 20 years is what is causing the pre Cyrus dating discrepancies we see today.

At the same time, Bethel is ignoring the 70 year length of the Babylonian dynasty as the “seven times” of permission also manifested on that world power when it fell to Cyrus and the Persians in 539 BCE, marked by Cyrus 537 BCE full ascension, also ending its 70 years domination, demonstrating its prophetic significance marker respecting Daniel 4’s main sovereign plot. Bethel claims Babylon dominated the region for 86 years, 625-539 BCE.

In the interim, in that vacuum and time warp, certain assumed events of admittedly great psychological prominence came to mark a valid 607 BCE date.

Back to the Future: Resolving The Missing 20 Years, Yet Keeping 607 BCE Validity

But in reality:

The exile and desolation do not necessarily have to be concurrent as a requirement in the prophecy, and yet still maintain the 607 BCE importance, for even more valid reasons to be covered here, once the clarification is made.

1. Babylon defined by Nebuchadnezzar’s “Gentile” rulership also comes into the 70 year significance; (As obvious in Daniel 4 as well, and for more reason than seven years of Nebuchadnezzar’s insanity. In THAT marked “seven times” as 70 years, everything else manifests, but we have a solid “gentile” benchmark date)

2. The initial subjugation of King Jehoiakim is actually more significant to the Davidic Kingdom Covenant “trampling” significance and its complimentary “seven times” 70 years parallel with Nebuchadnezzar’s 70 years; (also obvious in Daniel 4)

But as with Cyrus the Great 537 BCE dating, Nebuchadnezzar’s 607 BCE dating is the established benchmark, to not have to rely on the chronological forensics in the convoluted details surrounding Jehoiakim’s subjugation and the multi-phased exile. (Or worse, invent event dates to match the Bethel time machine input expectations.)

3. And that provides the actual seventy year Jewish exile context with greater actual meaning to the Daniel 4 prophecy theme as those dual sovereign developments in 1 and 2 come into play; (the exile “scattering” symbology is also in Daniel 4)

4. The Jerusalem and Temple destruction have their own “70 year” significance to arrive from 586 BCE to 515-516 BCE for the temple completion;

5. The “seven times” of 2520 years to 1914 CE is maintained, with extra emphasis.

And in so doing we can slide everything before 586 BCE (in the JW alternative reality timeline), twenty years “into the future” from the “alternative 607 BCE” to meet its real 586 BCE reality, to get back that lost twenty years properly, and still keep the validity. Right now Jehovah’s witnesses have Jerusalem destroyed twenty years before its time, in an “alternative past” that came with the ‘Bethel Time Machine’ “607” default setting.

With Bethel’s “Time Machine”, they were capable of transporting the entire set of events with them! Nice feature!

The Real Diametric Sovereign Theme

1. In what looks more and more like reality, if we examine secular dating and its tens upon tens of chronologies in rounded terms, Nebuchadnezzar was “crown prince” in 607-605 BCE, or was King of Babylon in 607-605 BCE, and in possible reality, in that “possible future”, his dynasty expired also within exactly 70 years in 539-537 BCE significance. (The variance of a couple years in the secular chronology is a non-issue at this scale of elapsed time, 537 BCE is the ultimate anointed one Cyrus benchmark—the rest just takes faith in “Time’s” very Designer, God Almighty.)

Thus this is the foundational first truth of Daniel 4, that King Nebuchadnezzar is a Daniel 4 “seven times” dating Babylon dynasty benchmark, as well, for 607 BCE:

(Daniel 4:20-22) ‘The tree that you beheld, that grew great and became strong and the height of which finally reached the heavens and which was visible to all the earth, 21 and the foliage of which was fair, and the fruit of which was abundant, and on which there was food for all; under which the beasts of the field would dwell, and on the boughs of which the birds of the heavens would reside, 22 it is you, O king, because you have grown great and become strong, and your grandeur has grown great and reached to the heavens, and your rulership to the extremity of the earth.

2. Jehoiakim and the first “Davidic Kings” subjugation is also 607 BCE in that context of the Daniel 4 prophecy required Babylonian gentile dating benchmark, and the first wave of possibly four waves of exiles (the 607 one “implied” also possibly began in 607. Then 597, then 587 and one after that, and probably other smaller transitions as well. But because we have Nebuchadnezzar 607 BCE and Cyrus 537 BCE datings, we have the required actual “seven time” 70 year well marked context to look at.)

Thus seventy years beginning, in the Davidic king interference parallel as well, marks this ultimate dual sovereign reality that the prophecy is actually about BOTH Nebuchadnezzar AND the Davidic King line interference:

(Daniel 4:19) “Belteshazzar (Daniel) was answering and saying, ‘O my lord, may the dream [apply] to those hating you, and its interpretation to your adversaries.

Now the “seven times” apply to BOTH Nebuchadnezzar’s Babylon kings dynasty expiring in 70 years, and the Davidic Kingdom disruption activities from Jehoiakim forward for seventy marked years, as concurrent, adding greater sovereign emphasis to the dual sovereign conflict of Daniel 4’s main plot—BOTH of which had “seven times” as 70 years pass over them concurrently in the same prophecy and its reality manifested on BOTH Babylon and Jerusalem at the same time!

And thus 607 BCE is still good, couldn’t be better in fact, times 3, with a greater contextual connection to the theme of the still ongoing Gentile versus Davidic Kingdom conflict. And Babylon then relates to the first controversial figure in Nimrod and the world government attempt of the days of the “tower of Babel” going back to the start of this post Noachian era’s sovereign conflict. (Gen10-11)

Thus the issue of world government defiance and its eventual completion and deposition is also present in the whole “Babylon” symbol deposition theme in Daniel 4, and the global reality.

Now there are actually three convergent reasons 607 BCE is marked, and how it is even more significant in harmonious sovereign conflict thematic meaning. And we know why a .01-.03% supposed “secular error” is normal when men try to affirm exact dating from over 2500 years ago, while correlating a dual timing system. But in reality, that sovereign timing, the Creator of the Universe, has timed like an atomic clock, to they very billionth of a second, in his jurisdiction of exact timings and meanings, which He opens when He purposes.

Regardless of the controversy the hourglass is running.

(Acts 1:6-8) When, now, they had assembled, they went asking him: “Lord, are you restoring the kingdom to Israel at this time?” 7 He said to them: “It does not belong to you to get knowledge of the times or seasons which the Father has placed in his own jurisdiction; 8 but you will receive power when the holy spirit arrives upon you, and you will be witnesses of me both in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria and to the most distant part of the earth.”

Thus very interestingly, with the modern Bethel scandal and apostasy development heading to a judgment (Dan8:13-14), it appears the new look at 607 BCE will instead, in time, revisit the 1914 issue not to undermine it, but to affirm it in a greater manner and clarification, and it can emerge after the foretold Bethel downfall.

Nebuchadnezzar and Cyrus are the dating benchmarks for 607 BCE and 537 BCE’s “seven times” as 70 years. Nebuchadnezzar is the visible “seven times” benchmark of 607 BCE as at the least Crown Prince, or King designate of Babylon, whose dynasty ended in 537 BCE, by the hand of Cyrus the Great’s Medo-Persian alliance empire pinnacle conquest. TWO marked dates, 70 years as “seven times” chopping down Babylon, but with no restoration of the physical nation or empire—as the door was opened for Israel to restore the temple and Jerusalem.

The Temple “70 Year” Link Extends to Zechariah and Temple Restoration and Completion

Thus the temple destruction, in what seems to be around 586-587 BCE or so, with the city of Jerusalem, is also a 70 years “seven times” connection to the temple restoration and completion in 515-516 BCE. At that time of Davidic Zerubbabel’s Governorship, Zechariah was directed to “crown” High Priest Joshua as symbolic King-Priest with the crown of “silver and gold” in Zechariah 6:9-15 (Ps110 foregleam) in “King-Priest” symbolism of Christ, when the Temple completed as recorded in Nehemiah and Ezra, as prophesied by Haggai and Zechariah in their “Temple Revelation” records that are now being tied in by this second 70 years extension from 586 BCE to 516 BCE.

And this is why these supporting Jerusalem and Temple “70 years” time spans do not have to be concurrent with the human psychological requirement of such a parallel present in Jehovah’s witnesses current interpretation. In fact this offset marked by the real Jerusalem destruction climax event of 586 BCE, highlights the Temple completion of 515-516 BCE and its climax event symbology, with a clear complimentary 70 years time span bridged into the prophecies of Haggai and Zechariah. And thus the post 537 BCE time period of Israel’s emancipation that led to Malachi’s final temple prophecy, is spanned to the far clearer Christ connections actually present in this entire 607 BCE to 516 BCE progression.

Connection to Christ and Revelation’s “Seven Times”

By Christ’s time, where Revelation’s Revelation 8-11’s parallel with Zechariah 3-4 and other parts of Zechariah’s and Malachi’s Temple Revelation are certain, the final connections and parallels to Christ’s future manifestation of the true meaning in all these synchronized events, “appointed time” limits, and the ultimate “Jerusalem” and “Temple” patterns, to become a far greater reality in the future, is completed and maintained.

In that way the affirmation God is providing in this epic era of Israel’s and Jerusalem’s prophetic and historic development to this very climax transition to the Christian era, is actually greater than currently provided in JWs problematic interpretation, although it does contain the sovereign import, basic theme and connection to 1914. Now 1914-1919’s ultimate “Gentile” “8th King” designate , “image of the wildbeast” arrival in the League of Nations in 1914-1919, during the “first witness” of the “two witnesses”—and the emergence of a Global Government claiming development is of course not a mere coincidence. Instead it is the final “Gentile” entity to be permitted to complete, state their global claims, and then meet the Kingdom of Christ, for real, to settle this sovereign dispute as to who will rule and be King of planet Earth.

And that is why they received a “first witnessing” of 1260 days, or 3.5 times, but half of the divine “seven times” of fair warning amidst final Gentile rulership permission to lead, in time, to the “second witnessing” of also 1260 days, that must precede 8th King full World Government. And thus the “seven times” will be complete in that final 1260 days, “3.5 times”, as it repeats the final time, hence “two witnesses”.

To get there, the 20 years offset for the 586 BCE Jerusalem and Temple destruction, allows a deeper extension to the temple restoration and completion propehtic parallels, and it too is highly spiritually significant.

Now the solid link to post Cyrus 537-515 BCE into Zechariah’s time and prophecy and the Temple reconstruction significance of 515-516 BCE “Temple completion” in all this, is also now tied in to the entire post 607 BCE events, in a new way.

Now another solid spiritual meaning leading to Christ’s Kingdom and Temple King-Priest of God significance, in this harmonious actual reality, emerges.

And thus “four” “seven times” can apply, but three to “607” BCE directly, as (1) disrupting Jehovah’s David Kings natural flow, in the events after King Jehoahaz deposition by Necho II, and placing Jehoiakim by Egyptian influence, who very quickly came under (2) Babylonian Nebuchadnezzar’s also 70 year marked domination, to activate the (3) Jewish “exile” overall context , all also in the 607 BCE neighborhood as far as secular history and Bible chronology.

(4) The fourth related 70 years is this “Temple Extension” offset into Zechariah from 586 BCE to 516 BCE significance.

And that final Revelation “seven times” is affirmed by all this actual synchronisms in the prophecy. The fifth “seven times” connection as all that original symbology leads to the real completion in Jesus Christ from God Almighty whose purpose is actually exact, in spite of human error and waffling for centuries and centuries in the post Christ progression to Har-Magedon—just a matter of time, and the final “seven times” completing as “two witnesses”, 2×1260 days, for 2520 days, “seven times”, of open salvation invitation to extend in time to world government before it arrives, and thus to and through the Christ arrival, to end the “Gentile Times” for good.

1. Kingdom.

And thus the Davidic line was also being “trampled”, in that Gentile rulers were actively interfering with the natural flow of the Davidic Kings line, since after Josiah died. But King Nebuchadnezzar, as with Daniel 4’s benchmark focusing on his Gentile “Kingdom”, is also the supporting 607 BCE “gentile” figure with a 70 year limited dynasty and kingdom, and that dynasty expired within 70 years, in 539-537 BCE, as also foretold as implied as well, in Daniel 4. Secular dating may waffle a year or two, but 537 BCE is solid with God to know great events, more than one, mark 607 BCE.

But now we have the parallel “Gentile versus Jerusalem” sovereign “seven times” and seventy years significance as the real context of Daniel 4 and the complete spiritual theme God has instituted as to the time limit of “Gentile” sovereignty, to be replaced by the Jerusalem Christ final sovereign transition to God Almighty, in time. (1Cor15:24-28). Thus this explains Daniel 4 fully, by seeing the “seven times” as 70 years that Babylon was also limited too, not 86 years as Bethel’s erred math claims.

And in so doing the dating can harmonize with the tons of secular, Jewish and Christian research chronologies, which themselves waffle a couple years, but not with 20 year anomalies like Bethel’s premature assumptions allowed.

2. Temple.

AND the TEMPLE is tied in as well, thus “Kingdom” “seven times” meaning and its supporting “Temple” 70 years connection from 586-587 BCE destruction to the post Cyrus, Jerusalem Temple restoration, now reinforced meaning, are the central issues in reality, KINGDOM and TEMPLE (Ps110), both traceable with a massive history that totally harmonizes with all prophecy like a perfect puzzle leading to the future Kingdom and Temple COMPLETIONS to come, under Jesus Christ from God Almighty, well after Apostate Bethel goes down as the modern “apostate Jerusalem” symbol. (Matt24:15; Matt22:1-14; Dan8:13-14; Matt25:1-13; Isa28)

And if that is the case, and it seems it is the only explanation, now all Bible prophecy chronology, all Jewish history chronology, all Babylonian and Assyrian and 100 other chronologies as well as all secular history datings all “jives” like a Cosmic Clock in ACTUALLY PERFECT HARMONY, as 607 BCE is even more important than it was previously thought to be!

All’s Well that Ends Well!

And so EITHER WAY 607 is the marked date, still, but now in time it will revisit 1914 CE with added emphasis of a truly perfectly harmonious total overview all the way back to 740 BCE (and before), all the dates are valid, the events just shift “20 years” forward, and thus the “20 year” “problem” is fixed for good. And as Bible students we might as well go with a more spiritually powerful rationale, also accurate with all the global chronologies, and realize expecting an exact year every time, is unrealistic, but we are in the exact 607 range.

Now the 70 years marked directly:

1. The length and end of “Nebuchadnezzar” symbolic Gentile rule, in 70 years.

2. The King Nebuchadnezzar marked disruption of the natural flow of the Davidic Kingdom Covenant kings for 70 years, eventually retaining a “son of David” in Zerubbabel, but as “governor” rather than “king”, thus still being “trampled” to this day. (As Zerubbabel ties to Kingdom-Temple, completion meaning of Zechariah’s Temple Revelation)

3. This context Allows 70 years of exile and “Seventy Sabbaths” to be fully accounted within a 90 year overall cushion zone, but no doubt also tied to 607 in some manner, but not having to be so—it still works!!!!

And that great Jerusalem deposition context thus benchmarks the fourth “70 years” overlap to 515-516 BCE.

4. Therefore all this solid “seventy years” in “seven times” principle, allowed the Temple Priesthood Covenant of “Melchizedek”, to be demonstrated on High Priest Joshua (Joshua) (Zech6:9-15), after of an offset phase of 70 years of also Temple destruction with Jerusalem’s destruction 585-586 BCE, when Jerusalem’s second Temple was COMPLETED in 515-516 BCE, 70 years after its destruction.

(Zechariah 4:6-9) Accordingly he answered and said to me: “This is the word of Jehovah to Zerubbabel, saying, ‘“Not by a military force, nor by power, but by my spirit,” Jehovah of armies has said. 7 Who are you, O great mountain? Before Zerubbabel [you will become] a level land. And he will certainly bring forth the headstone. There will be shoutings to it: “How charming! How charming!”’” 8 And the word of Jehovah continued to occur to me, saying: 9 “The very hands of Zerubbabel have laid the foundation of this house, and his own hands will finish [it].

(Zechariah 6:9-13) And the word of Jehovah continued to occur to me, saying: 10 “Let there be a taking of something from the exiled people, [even] from Heldai and from Tobijah and from Jedaiah; and you yourself must come in that day, and you must come into the house of Josiah the son of Zephaniah [with these] who have come from Babylon. 11 And you must take silver and gold and make a grand crown and put [it] upon the head of Joshua the son of Jehozadak the high priest. 12 And you must say to him, “‘This is what Jehovah of armies has said: “Here is the man whose name is Sprout. And from his own place he will sprout, and he will certainly build the temple of Jehovah. 13 And he himself will build the temple of Jehovah, and he, for his part, will carry [the] dignity; and he must sit down and rule on his throne, and he must become a priest upon his throne, and the very counsel of peace will prove to be between both of them.

And thus an divine “seventy years” iron link is forged and also connected to Haggai and Zechariah, far greater modern meaning to ALL the “Kingdom”, “Temple” and “Holy City” significance in prophecy and the reality to arrive with Christ, to the very year, day, hour and second the Almighty purposes!! All the world has to do, is get 8th King World Government done first (Dan11:45; Dan8:25; Rev17:8-18; Rev13:3,15-18), as the 7th King/King South must fall [5], to allow that final rise of 8th King/King North!

Then the real “Gentile versus Jerusalem” dynasty showdown of Armageddon can truly conclude this Biblical theme as foretold by God Himself.

In God’s divine timing all this stuff is to the day and hour, we just have faith. (Rev14:12)

(James 1:16-18) Do not be misled, my beloved brothers. 17 Every good gift, [the “Grand Father Clock”], and every perfect present is from above, for it comes down from the Father of the [celestial] lights [and the Clock of the Universe, Christ], and with him there is not a variation of the turning of the shadow. 18 Because he willed it, he brought us forth by the word of truth, for us to be certain firstfruits of his creatures.

Human error of a couple years is understandable. Controversy? If the coming Messianic Kingdom eternal reign of God and Christ was all cool with the “Gentiles” global “powers that be”, then worry—then something is wrong.

(Luke 6:26) “Woe, whenever all men speak well of you, for things like these are what their forefathers did to the false prophets.

(Matthew 5:11-12) “Happy are you when people reproach you and persecute you and lyingly say every sort of wicked thing against you for my sake. 12 Rejoice and leap for joy, since your reward is great in the heavens; for in that way they persecuted the prophets prior to you.

Of course there will be doubt, discrediting, resistance and apostate Bethel to mark our final era! It’s a “no brainer”! It only makes it all MORE realistic and still TRUE!

And now Bethel actual error motivates a quandary of assumptions that because they are in an error of events, not dating, they must be totally invalid. Now people are not lyingly accusing Bethel, there is actual error, but the meaning of that error is what is being overblown, and aided by Bethel scandal to undermine the original warning that the “powers that be” do have a basic time limit, that is the basic warning in all this: Christ is indeed coming to rule earth.

Therefore any “1 or 2” year variance in secular, Jewish and Bible dating correlation, is just standard .01-.02% human error over this multi-millennial timeline with the various “ascension, regnal” year, Jewish calendar offset and counting traditions and their seeming inconsistencies, and, at time, possible purposeful disinformation, which are actually all “right on” in divine and prophetic reality and chronological harmony.

But this rationale is far better than Bethel’s current 20 years of the unaccounted time which developed when the BETHEL ASSUMPTION was made that the “seven times” of 70 years (and thus the 2520 years basis) had to begin with Jerusalem’s total destruction, as if their was some divine law the exile and desolation had to be concurrent and it HAD to be in 607 BCE, which there is no divine requirement that they have to be concurrent [4]. Additionally, and 607 BCE is marked by even greater dual sovereign events of even greater significance.

And in reality the “gentile” fiddling with the divine kings of Jerusalem, as far more significant to the Davidic Kingdom Covenant theme, and Luke 21:24 than the destruction event itself, though related.

And yet, with this “update”, it all still retains the truth of the significance of the 607 BCE date!! Nice!

In fact it makes it all the more significant, as now with triple the “seven times” emphasis, as shown, in what is actually most important in Daniel 4’s sovereign prophecy which contains Nebuchadnezzar’s dynastic limit of 70 years as well, concurrent with the Davidic Kingdom disruption of 70 years, and the “Shake off its foliage, and scatter its fruitage” of 70 years exile context is also met. And all that during that marked epic sovereign conflict focusing on both the “Gentile” Babylon sovereignty versus the “Israel” Jerusalem sovereignty, as the fuller plot of Daniel 4’s meaning, while maintaining the basic sovereign timing principles Jehovah’s witnesses already understand.

And thus the real gentile versus Jerusalem sovereign conflict is still emphasized, but with the added detail that Nebuchadnezzar’s Babylon dynasty also has a 70 year “seven times” frame concurrent with the overall 70 years of the Davidic Kings “seven times” servitude to that same gentile dynasty. And that “seven times” still continued to 1914 CE in its greater “trampling” context.

Plus, it makes a direct connection into Haggai and Zechariah Temple restoration prophecy of 515-516 BCE! Nice!

(Daniel 4:13-15) I continued beholding in the visions of my head upon my bed, and, look! a watcher, even a holy one, coming down from the heavens themselves. 14 He was calling out loudly, and this is what he was saying: “CHOP the tree down, and cut off its boughs. SHAKE off its foliage, and scatter its fruitage. Let the beast flee from under it, and the birds from its boughs. 15 However, LEAVE its rootstock itself in the earth, even with a banding of iron and of copper, among the grass of the field; and with the dew of the heavens let it be wet, and with the beast let its portion be among the vegetation of the earth.

And yet, Two “bandings”, “iron and copper”, in Daniel 4? Two timings! 607 and 586! The big “seven times” of 2520 years still applies overall from the 607 BCE triple marker.

1914? “Two witnesses”? TWO witnessings, 1914-1919 and the future! Double whammy! [3] Plenty of “twos” and “sevens” here, and valid extensions into further prophetic development from Zechariah to Christ and Revelation to today to the future.

The real sovereign theme of conflict still continues in the world to today, as even Bethel has overrun anointed Christian authority at Bethel itself, while they cover up the fact the world is headed towards 8th King World Government!

The Bethel “Time Machine”—How All Pre Cyrus Dating Became Hinged on the “Target 607 BCE” Dual Event Assumption Gaining 20 Years of JW “Alternative Reality” Time

By understandable error in Charles Russell’s time, and at old-school Bethel, the valid DATE, 607 BCE, by such an erred assumption of the ASSUMED EVENT that marked it and its “exile” and “destruction” assumed concurrency, became the Jehovah’s witnesses benchmark date—but with 20 years time shifted events; JW time travel.

In this case OTHER RELATED EVENTS, real historically valid ones, that actually marked the 607 BCE timeframe were not yet fully considered.

And given the FACT the ca. 605 BCE and ca. 586 BCE date had been determined by Isaac Newton, and others, using the Bible’s own chronology and secular dating of those more dated eras, it is more than a single source of chronology data which forms this accepted range by many chronologies.

*** The Chronology of Ancient Kingdoms amended ***

“606. Nebuchadnezzar invades Syria and Judæa….

588. The Temple of Solomon is burnt by Nebuchadnezzar.”

By Sir Isaac Newton; posthumously 1728 CE

There are some people who seem to think Newton can count correctly and was relatively good with numbers. Thus he is just one more person who did not “time travel” and that we can use to help disprove Bethel’s Modern Theory of 607 Gravity.

These secular dating data sources include the Babylonian Chronicles, which Bethel uses to support their modern time travel theory, though it itself states the Jerusalem destruction date in the ca. 586 time-frame.

The Babylonian Chronicle



*** Insight on the Scriptures Vol. 1 p. 447 Chronology ***

“Accurate chronology requires that some point in the stream of time be set as the marker from which to count either forward or backward in time units”

So Marty “Bethel” McFly set his own “point in the stream of time”, without consulting the Doc. It was actually very understandable how the error set in so deeply, for the context and 607 BCE date is indeed valid, it was just a shift in assumed event(s) that marked that prophecy.

Thus there is a missing traceable time link in the Bible’s own chronology between the destruction of Jerusalem and the universal Cyrus 537 BCE date because the Bible does not state the beginning point or explicit event of the 70 year time frame though it does state the context [5]* (and as we are seeing, all the requirements can all be met, and do not have to be in one 70 year concurrency). Bethel also uses human assumption to base their 607 BCE timeline graph origin upon, in all their datings prior to Jerusalem’s assumed destruction date in that Bethel alternative time graph actually based on a premature assumption.

*(2 Chronicles 36:21) to fulfill Jehovah’s word by the mouth of Jeremiah, until the land had paid off its sabbaths. ” All the days of lying desolated it kept sabbath, to fulfill seventy years.”

For example the exile releasing Cyrus decree 70 years marker of 537 BCE, respecting the prophecy, does not mean the 70 years of sabbaths being repaid fully must be concurrent by divine decree—its concurrency is a human psychological assumption. In the interim return to Judea, there is room to fulfill the sabbath requirement in the few years after the 70 year marked return initiated as the land production was definitely far below maximum for some time. And thus such a progressive unmarked restoration allows the “seventy sabbaths” to be accounted as God traced all the requirements.

But the high priority “seven times” 70 year requirements are all marked by marked time periods in Babylon’s 70 years and Persia’s emancipation of Israel, the 607 BCE to 537 BCE fully marked.

(Jeremiah 25:11-12) And all this land must become a devastated place, an object of astonishment, and these nations will have to serve the king of Babylon seventy years.”’ 12 “‘And it must occur that when seventy years have been fulfilled I shall call to account against the king of Babylon…

(Jeremiah 29:10) “For this is what Jehovah has said, ‘In accord with the fulfilling of seventy years at Babylon I shall turn my attention to you people, and I will establish toward you my good word in bringing you back to this place.’

(Daniel 9:2) … I myself, Daniel, discerned by the books the number of the years concerning which the word of Jehovah had occurred to Jeremiah the prophet, for fulfilling the devastations of Jerusalem, [namely,] seventy years.

(Zechariah 1:12) So the angel of Jehovah answered and said: “O Jehovah of armies, how long will you yourself not show mercy to Jerusalem and to the cities of Judah, whom you have denounced these seventy years?”

And if you notice in these previously noted sample datings, even in secular terms, a two year approximate variance is present, and that is typical of this research into other chronologies. Thus 607 BCE validity is found to be possible in that variance, based on the solid dating of the post Cyrus 539-537 BCE chronology, by having the faith of God’s assured 70 year timing in all regards. One will find this research will open a new can of worms, as many chronologies will emerge in this research, but NONE of them with a “20 year” error. And thus it is not just one source of the secular estimations, and thus it cannot just be a “lie”; there is merely another explanation present in this opportunity that respects the validity of the whole “seven times”, since 607 BCE’s benchmark and Cyrus 537 BCE terminus.

And thus the topic is not just abandoned because of an error of assumption and a 607 heavy expectation as if this Bethel error negates the entire Jehovah’s witnesses and Christian faith, for it does not—instead, it clarifies and harmonizes it. Thus, instead, it is studied more carefully and open mindedly with faith in prophecy, based on supporting events based around the post Cyrus datings and secular datings to find a valid alternative explanation for the actual events that match the prophecy and yet retain the sovereign import.

It requires a lack of bias, other than in affirming the prophecy, for many “607 critics” have completely lost the whole sovereign import, entering another vacuum and limbo, while attempting to discredit Bethel and the JW ministry as if 100% invalid by default, which is also an error. They hit the time travel button, but now with no destination whatsoever in mind other than the lost La La land of another past in Christendom’s own time warp.

And that is how that dual-event assumption at Bethel, became the basis and nucleus of the “607 BCE Center of the JW Chronology Universe” and its inertia for all dating prior to and with King Zedekiah’s deposition, with an erred 607 BCE EVENT-to-date assumed required concurrency, that had to correlate with Zedekiah’s removal, also at 607 BCE, but in error—and thus the twenty year abruption in harmony with secular chronologies.

And yet adjusting the chronology to fit reality, changes nothing of the sovereign import of the prophecy or the original validity of the Jehovah’s witnesses ministry, now derailed in other ways as well, so we can expect nothing but more error from apostate Bethel.

The date is fine, the assumed events are what “time traveled” 20 years in the JW universe.

That is why everything chronological, after Cyrus 537 BCE, “Jives”, and everything before 537 BCE has a “twenty year” error, starting with Zedekiah’s chronology drawn to the 607 BCE Black-hole Bethel “Time Warp”. Just subtract 20 years, prior to King Zedekiah’s dating, for all Jehovah’s witnesses dating based on this 607 JW Center of Bethel Chronology calculations, all counting 20 years from 607 backward, with Zedekiah being deposed twenty years too soon.

Thus, 20 years of Jerusalem future history, at that time of 607 BCE, were lost. It just went “to the future” of 586 BCE real events, transposed to Bethel’s 607 BCE “alternate future” for Jerusalem and that “virtual reality” as they lay in ruins 20 years too soon, and everything else chronological then shifts back 20 years with Time Traveler Zedekiah to make that “alternate reality” work. And thus the JW Clock, got spun back 175200 hours, or 7300 days, or 20 approximate years from the real 586 BCE, for the Bethel “alternative reality” 607 BCE events. Now why should every king in Israel and Judah starting with Zedekiah backward also have an average twenty year discrepancy with secular history including Jewish chronologies from the past?

(Admittedly there are dating variances in secular chronology, but a consistent Bethel 20 year shift backward in time is suspect when its source can be traced forward to the 607 BCE assumptions, though there is evidence even more significant marked events mark 607 BCE anyways. Meaning there is no reason to provide an area for stumbling, when none actually exists, and 607 BCE seven times basis is maintained at the same time.)

In reality King Nebuchadnezzar and King Jehoiakim initiating concurrency is the 607 BCE starting “seven times” marker, not Zedekiah’s deposition!

And thus the unneeded Bethel time “decompression”, sliding JW chronology backward in time “20 years”, starting with Zedekiah’s chronology, also correlates with Jehoiakim’s 11 years and Zedekiah’s 11 years needing to shift back 22 years, compressed to meet the 607 central JW chronology target. And thus, everything before those kings, had to now chronologically fit the “607” date by a DESTRUCTION EVENT marker assumption.

And that became that “20 year problem” in 22 years of an unaccountable time shift backward in time, as the original mistake pushed all dates around 20 years back, while everything forward in time aligned as expected, like Cyrus the Great’s 539-537 BCE “set in stone” date, another key date and its 70 year terminus that actually saved the day—thus Cyrus was the “anointed one” from God for good reason to be another reliable benchmark dating as in reality King Nebuchadnezzar is the other divine “Gentile” tool marking 607 BCE!

I’ll say it again: Nebuchadnezzar and Cyrus are the real 607-537 BCE dating benchmarks with even greater significance. Nebuchadnezzar is the visible “seven times” benchmark of 607 BCE as at the least Crown Prince, or King designate of Babylon, whose dynasty ended in 537 BCE, by the hand of Cyrus the Great’s Medo-Persian alliance empire pinnacle conquest, after SEVENTY YEARS. TWO marked dates, 70 years as “seven times” chopping down Babylon, but with no restoration of the physical nation or empire. And the door was opened for Israel to restore the temple and Jerusalem, prophetically well connected.

Thus Nebuchadnezzar and Cyrus are the two reliable 607-537 BCE markers, of “gentile” powers opposed to God’s Kingdom kings of that time, into which the 70 years of Davidic king “trampling” and the 70 year exile manifest. And that core Gentile versus the Kingdom of God in its typical/visible form is a symbolic picture of the future final Kinging of Jesus Christ in the Messianic Kingdom completion event and the final deposition of the Gentile globalist 8th King contender, in very clear “Gentile” versus “Zion” kingly conflict and subjugation.

And that still ties in to the 8th King designate of the 1914-1919 presentation of the first step to world government in the League of Nations to continue the conflict all the way to their final “World Government” presentation of the future, and the arrival of Christ at Armageddon, to settle the issue eternally. Josiah may have lost at Megiddo against Gentile Egyptian Pharaoh, leading to the subjugation of Gentile Babylon, but at Har-Magedon Christ will not be defeated. And thus the climax showdown has been set up in that historic transition of Jerusalem to fall under the hand of Gentile domination, as fully historically marked by Nebuchadnezzar’s Babylonian marked ascension in 607 BCE, and his seven times of permission for 70 years, no more, no less.

(Jeremiah 25:11-12) And all this land must become a devastated place, an object of astonishment, and these nations will have to serve the king of Babylon seventy years.”’ 12 “‘And it must occur that when seventy years have been fulfilled I shall call to account against the king of Babylon…

Doc: It was the JW “Time Machine”, and now it has to come “Back to the Future” regarding that 20 year shift to the past, a past that does not actually exist at its correct position in universal space time and temporal Biblical reality Marty! JWs have screwed with the past Marty!

Marty McFly: Wait a minute. Wait a minute, Doc. Ah… Are you telling me that Bethel built a time machine… out of an assumption?

Doc: Precisely.

The 607 BCE date still applies, as shown, the Jerusalem destruction was actually offset that 20 years to 586 BCE, for “Holy City” and “Temple” purposes of linking later to other supporting prophecy and the Zechariah’s prophecy continuum to “King-Priest” Christ coronation (Zech6:9-15) and the “Temple Completion” meaning. Which climax event was not in “God’s Kingdom” in 1914 (a valid event, but not the final one), but in the future Messianic Kingdom and temple completion reality on the way.

The REAL dual event of great spiritual significance, marking 586 BCE, is Jerusalem’s “Kingdom Capital” destruction and the “Holy Temple” destruction of 586 BCE, for its prophetic extension into the Zechariah era temple completion tie in of 515-516 BCE—also 70 years! That then summarizes it all, as the temple is restored and completed in post Cyrus activity extending to Haggai and Zechariah’s prophecy, perfectly concluding the ancient Israel era, just extending this “70 years” forward 20 years from 586 BCE to 515-516 BCE, but with the same 70 year significance of rebuilding and completion and still linked to the original “seven times” events of ancient Jerusalem!

Christ and Revelation arrived to wrap it up for our era, same themes, same 2520 years carry over to 1914 for the final 2520 days as Revelation 8-11 must fulfill twice, once in 1914-1919, one more time in the future, [3] BEFORE Christ arrives into the rival 8th King “Gentile” world government completion triggering his arrival to truly complete that critical sovereign conflict resolution once and for all.

Jeremiah gave the final kings of his days full warning for 40 years (Jer1), and from Josiah’s time, but especially for Jehoiakim to Zedekiah’s time, they could have repented, with the people, but they all ignored all 40 years of Jeremiah’s warning and divine advice for admission, and submission to Babylon. Thus the interim to Jerusalem’s destruction was a warning period that could have been responded to, as to why God allowed it all to stretch on for a critical final 22 years prior to total Jerusalem destruction.

Cyrus the Great Time Marker

This is why Cyrus the Great was God’s “anointed one” that solidifies the divine benchmark of that time, 537 BCE, just as Christ the “anointed one” also provided in 29 CE for the “seventy weeks” (Dan9).

Cyrus is also the key to know the seventy years terminus.

(Isaiah 45:1-7) This is what Jehovah has said to his anointed one, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have taken hold of, to subdue before him nations, so that I may ungird even the hips of kings; to open before him the two-leaved doors, so that even the gates will not be shut: 2 “Before you I myself shall go, and the swells of land I shall straighten out. The copper doors I shall break in pieces, and the iron bars I shall cut down. 3 And I will give you the treasures in the darkness and the hidden treasures in the concealment places, in order that you may know that I am Jehovah, the One calling [you] by your name, the God of Israel. 4 For the sake of my servant Jacob and of Israel my chosen one, I even proceeded to call you by your name; I proceeded to give you a name of honor, although you did not know me. 5 I am Jehovah, and there is no one else. With the exception of me there is no God. I shall closely gird you, although you have not known me, 6 in order that people may know from the rising of the sun and from its setting that there is none besides me. I am Jehovah, and there is no one else. 7 Forming light and creating darkness, making peace and creating calamity, I, Jehovah, am doing all these things.

In keeping with this use of Gentile powers to establish the benchmarks of God’s “seven times” purpose in this prophecy, Nebuchadnezzar’s 607 BCE date is the benchmark, as is the limited 70 year duration of his Babylon dynasty destroyed by King Cyrus the “anointed one”. The exile and Davidic King trampling progression of 70 years is thus contained in this context.

The physical total removal of the final Davidic king in 586 BCE, and thus the total absence of any David related Israel “reigning” authority for 70 years Desolation Phase, until the 515-516 BCE “coronation” of Aaronic High Priest Joshua, crowned by Zechariah in Governor Zerubbabel period, Zerubbabel the “son of David” in dual symbolic foregleam at Jerusalem Temple completion (Zech6:9-15; Ps110), concluded that total absence of a divine king in Jerusalem—albeit with a low key “Priest” “King” in Joshua and Davidic Zerubabel as a subservient Judean Governor.

But in time the point will be made, when Christ assumes total true Messianic Kingdom Kingship as High Priest of God’s Complete Temple as Immortal “Melchizedekian” King Priest, with the “Gentile” Globalist 8th King King North World Government completed then put eternally under foot in the Global Sovereign Arena of Armageddon in the future, when the “other guys”, the “powers that were”, get their big “trampling” (Rev19:19-21; Rev14:17-20), once they are complete (Dan8:25; Dan11:45), and stated in global sovereignty (1Thess5:1-3), in their final “one hour” of World Government “Gentile” defiance active (Dan12:11; Rev11:7-13), to the fullness of the whole prophecy. (Rev17:8-18; Rev16:13-20; Rev8-11)

(Psalm 110:1-2) The utterance of Jehovah to my Lord is: “Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.”  2 The rod of your strength Jehovah will send out of Zion, [saying:] “Go subduing in the midst of your enemies.”

And that is how Christ completes the final portion of God’s Kingdom, the Messianic Kingdom earthly sovereign agency in the future, “in the midst of” his unified-globalized global “enemies”, in the face of the then ruling 8th King World Government, “in their midst”, as well. Christ arrives upon a complete 8th King King North world government in complete form to cap off the ultimate complete showdown of all history for this Adamic “Gentile” era.

The Cyrus emancipation of Israel to place Governor Zerubbabel legally in Judea in 537 BCE marked progression in Jerusalem’s restoration, was the end of the “seven times” of that Davidic King “trampling” for this prophecy “seven times” focus, but with a subservient governor, not a reigning King in Jerusalem. Which thus marks that “seven times” as 70 years in all “Gentile” versus “Jerusalem” parallels by the marked consistency of God using two Gentile “power tools”, and BOTH of their datings, as the dating benchmarks in Nebuchadnezzar 607 BCE and Cyrus 537 BCE—and why Nebuchadnezzar is the first central figure of the Daniel 40 “seven times” prophecy equating to 70 years of the divine permission of Babylon under the Nebuchadnezzar dynasty, and its continued existence.

Nebuchadnezzar’s Main “Seven Times” Application and Thus Benchmark Dating: 607 BCE

The prophecy actually starts with the Nebuchadnezzar ascension marker, everything else is parallel:

(Daniel 4:19) “At that time Daniel himself, whose name is Belteshazzar, was astonished for a moment, and his very thoughts began to frighten him.

(Daniel 4:20-22) “‘The tree that you beheld, that grew great and became strong and the height of which finally reached the heavens and which was visible to all the earth, 21 and the foliage of which was fair, and the fruit of which was abundant, and on which there was food for all; under which the beasts of the field would dwell, and on the boughs of which the birds of the heavens would reside, 22 it is you, O king (Nebuchadnezzar), because you have grown great and become strong, and your grandeur has grown great and reached to the heavens, and your rulership to the extremity of the earth.

(Daniel 4:25) seven times themselves will pass over you(Symbolic upon King Nebuchadnezzar (in foregleam form, seven years), and “seven times” upon the total Babylon 70 year time permission parallel of this period, and this prophecy, also applicable to Babylon’s 70 years in this development under Nebuchadnezzar’s dynasty of the final kings of Babylon and its empire ceased within 70 years—not 86 as present in the Bethel error.)

(Jeremiah 51:59-64) The word that Jeremiah the prophet commanded Seraiah the son of Neriah the son of Mahseiah when he went with Zedekiah the king of Judah to Babylon in the fourth year of his being king; and Seraiah was the quartermaster. 60 And Jeremiah proceeded to write in one book all the calamity that would come upon Babylon, even all these words written against Babylon. 61 Furthermore, Jeremiah said to Seraiah: “As soon as you come to Babylon and actually see [her], you must also read aloud all these words. 62 And you must say, ‘O Jehovah, you yourself have spoken against this place, in order to cut it off so that there may come to be in it no inhabitant, either man or even domestic animal, but that she may become mere desolate wastes to time indefinite.’ 63 And it must occur that when you will have completed reading this book, you will tie to it a stone, and you must pitch it into the midst of the Euphrates. 64 And you must say, ‘This is how Babylon will sink down and never rise up because of the calamity that I am bringing in upon her; and they will certainly tire themselves out.’”

Jerusalem’s Ultimate Parallel “Seven Times” Application

But as Daniel nicely baited Nebuchadnezzar with this seeming support cited below, the “good news” before the bad news so to speak, before dropping the “seven times” bomb on him, that it was he the “seven times” would apply to in Daniel 4:20-22, Daniel says this:

(Daniel 4:19) “Belteshazzar was answering and saying, ‘O my lord, may the dream [apply] to those hating you, and its interpretation to your adversaries.

Thus that is true at the same time, in application upon the “Kingdom of God” as expressed in Jerusalem’s symbol and that of the Judean Davidic kings “chopped down”, as it is also upon Babylon and Nebuchadnezzar’s 70 year “seven times” final dynasty in that “gentile” kingdom to also be “chopped down” by Cyrus in time:

(Daniel 4:23) “‘And because the king beheld a watcher, even a holy one, coming down from the heavens, who was also saying: “CHOP the tree down, and RUIN it. However, LEAVE its rootstock itself in the earth, but with a banding of iron and of copper, among the grass of the field, and with the dew of the heavens let it become wet, and with the beasts of the field let its portion be until seven times themselves pass over it,”

Now by that symbolism of the “rootstock”, we know who the “Sprout” is in the 515-516 BCE Temple completion symbolism, and what Davidic Kingdom “rootstock” he sprouts from, to connect this prophecy finally to the “adversary” of the Babylonian symbol of temporary and divinely numbered gentile earthly rulership:

(Zechariah 6:11-13) And you must take silver and gold and make a grand crown and put [it] upon the head of Joshua the son of Jehozadak the high priest. 12 And you must say to him, “‘This is what Jehovah of armies has said: “Here is the man whose name is Sprout. And from his own place he will sprout, and he will certainly build the temple of Jehovah. 13 And he himself will build the temple of Jehovah, and he, for his part, will carry [the] dignity; and he must sit down and rule on his throne, and he must become a priest upon his throne, and the very counsel of peace will prove to be between both of them.

The symbol is, in the completed Temple—of the future—is where the Messianic Kingdom Christ “King of kings” and King-Priest will be coronated when the final “seven times” of Revelation 11 is fulfilled after the final 1260 days “two witnesses” completes into the pinnacle “Babylon” “head of gold” world government of the “8th King” “King North” of the future.

That Messianic Kingdom must also complete in the future, thus the import in this “seven times” connection to Zechariah’s prophecy, of completing everything required to enable the full Christ of God final coronation. Christ completes the final Messianic Kingdom and Temple entities in this final “seven times” drive of the Daniel 8:13-14 temple judgment and then the final pre-Christ-arrival 1260 days, which TOTAL COMPLETION God Almighty Himself finalizes with the placement of Christ as King-Priest of it all as top Kingdom and Temple authority and reality.

And so the “seven times” as “seven years” which resulted in the humbling of Nebuchadnezzar, is a symbol of the Global “Gentile” also coming to know “that the Most High is Ruler in the kingdom of mankind, and that to the one whom he wants to he gives it” and Jesus Christ is the God anointed Ultimate King this Sovereign right has been, and will be fully given to:

(Daniel 4:24-25) this is the interpretation, O king, and the decree of the Most High is that which must befall my lord the king. 25 And you they will be driving away from men, and with the beasts of the field your dwelling will come to be, and the vegetation is what they will give even to you to eat just like bulls; and with the dew of the heavens you yourself will be getting wet, and seven times themselves will pass over you, until you know that the Most High is Ruler in the kingdom of mankind, and that to the one whom he wants to he gives it.

Thus the whole Daniel 4 prophecy has far greater application from this entire “microcosm” of Babylon versus Jerusalem intrigues, that span further to the Temple completion from 586 BCE to 516 BCE as the symbolism concludes for that era in full summarization. And adding emphasis is that as with the prophecy flow itself, Nebuchadnezzar’s gentile dating benchmark of 607 BCE is the start point of the prophecy “seven times” in 70 years also expressed upon the final divine permission of Babylon, expiring also in “seven times” as 70 years, as further demonstration of the whole prophecy import.

Enter the League of Nations Modern Nebuchadnezzar First Step* to World Government
(*first step of four; see [2])

And thus the theme of Gentile versus Jerusalem is fully set in this prophecy and extendable in the 2520 years “seven times” that just so happened to arrive into the first Gentile World Government designate system global presentation in the League of nations in 1914-1919—that is no accident!

The global stage of the grand finale eventual sovereign conflict between God’s Kingdom, and its ruling Christ, also required to assume Messianic Kingdom completion operations and final “King of kings” placement, and “King Priest” Kingdom-Temple Coronation in the future, is still fully set. It is all still fully valid in divine “seven times” warning, as a final 1260 days warning emerges in time, in the future, prior to complete “8th King” world government defiance in completed form, in the future, as Revelation 8-11 has a final fulfillment cycle, “two” “witnesses”, that is 2×1260 days warning=2520 days or “seven times” and the end of Gentile permission of earthly ruling authority forever.

(Daniel 2:31-35) “You, O king, happened to be beholding, and, look! a certain immense image. That image, which was large and the brightness of which was extraordinary, was standing in front of you, and its appearance was dreadful. 32 As regards that image, its head was of good gold, its breasts and its arms were of silver, its belly and its thighs were of copper, 33 its legs were of iron, its feet were partly of iron and partly of molded clay. 34 You kept on looking until a stone was cut out not by hands, and it struck the image on its feet of iron and of molded clay and crushed them. 35 At that time the iron, the molded clay, the copper, the silver and the gold were, all together, crushed and became like the chaff from the summer threshing floor, and the wind carried them away so that no trace at all was found of them. And as for the (Messianic Kingdom) stone that struck the image, it became a large mountain and filled the whole earth.

And thus as Daniel recalled Nebuchadnezzar’s dream for him, and concluded it as such in another dual fulfillment climax:

(Daniel 2:44-45) “And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom (a new entity) that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite; 45 forasmuch as you beheld that out of the mountain (God’s Kingdom) a stone (the new kingdom; the Messianic Kingdom) was cut not by hands, and [that] it crushed the iron, the copper, the molded clay, the silver and the gold. The grand God himself has made known to the king what is to occur after this. And the dream is reliable, and the interpretation of it is trustworthy.”

“Babylon” and “Nebuchadnezzar” becomes, again, as in Daniel 4, ultimately the symbol of Globalized “Gentile” Global Government “immense image”, as who the prophecy applies to as well, at its pinnacle “head of gold” location:

(Daniel 2:36-38) “This is the dream, and its interpretation we shall say before the king. 37 You, O king, the king of kings, you to whom the God of heaven has given the kingdom, the might, and the strength and the dignity, 38 and into whose hand he has given, wherever the sons of mankind are dwelling, the beasts of the field and the winged creatures of the heavens, and whom he has made ruler over all of them, you yourself are the head of gold.

Thus that zenith “head of gold” at the top of the whole image, is the “King North” parallel of a whole world government. And so the full progression since the 1990 3rd United Nations presentation to the finale in Daniel 8:23-25 and Daniel 11:40-45 will also converge into final application into that Global “King of Fierce Countenance” and “King North” parallel of the synonymous “8th King” World Government, completed before the King-Priest designate, Jesus Christ, arrives for final Kingdom Coronation by God Almighty Himself, “in the Temple” completion of the future. And then the fur will fly on the “scarlet wildbeast”. But first Christ secures all global sheep as it all arrives into that final Daniel 12:11 final open salvation zone of 1290 days then active to an initial degree.

The stage is set, the Daniel 2 “immense image” merely needs to stand at Armageddon’s “place” (Rev16:13-16) as the full complete and officially stated World Government—the final gentile defiance at truly global “United Nations” scale in the future.

8th King World government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3; Dan12:11), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

Because Bethel will not divulge that SIMPLE SUMMARY, they are removed first in the process. (1Pet4:17) Bethel is removed first, because corporate Christendom goes down under full world government (Rev17:15-18), as their global scale, with all global religion, is too enormous to be concentrated on at this time. Bethel is the perfect place for a prophetic proportions judgment to occur, and that first and soon. (Dan8:13-14; Zech3:1-5; Mal3:1-5; Rev8:3-5)

IT ALL WORKS! GOOD NEWS! The Bethel Time Machine mishap “Bad News” is GOOD NEWS in reality! Thank God through Christ and all His prophets for sticking to the purpose, come hell or high-water, as it still unfolds to Christ arrival, the thing it is leading to!

Sovereign Marker 1914 CE Revisited

And it will in time call attention to 1914 CE, once again (Rev10:11), once God “tramples” apostate Bethel (Dan8:13-14; Dan11:41), also in 70 years of post GB shenanigans since 1944 [1], and 40 years of their usurpation of real anointed Christian input in the Jehovah’s witnesses ministry since 1976 [2], for the illegal “in the temple” Reign of Error of the illegal Governing Body of Dictators since 1976 (2Thess2:1-12), as illegal as “gentiles” in God’s temple arrangement, soon to be “cut down” too, but those slick modern Bethel apostates (Dan11:32a; Dan8:12) aint coming back up. (Matt24:15; Dan8:13-14; Isa66:6; Zech3:1-5)

Thus Daniel 8:13-14 is the temple judgment and its phasing, timing (3.19 years minimum) and Bethel “trampling” events that will prove itself first, so Jehovah’s witnesses can be put back on track in time for the final warning. (Rev8-11:1-7)

Of course APOSTATE Bethel is not going to make anything easier or clarify a single thing, they are going to stumble people and beat sheep and their FELLOW slaves! It is all now Apostate Bethel lawless “business as usual”. (Dan11:32-35; 2Thess2:1-12)

But even with the erred event assumption (and subsequent dating 20 year error), it is still a valid 607 BCE DATE and YEAR, it is just the EVENTS that mark that valid date, needed clarification.

In reality it appears the subjugation of Jerusalem was no slam dunk and was a warning in those intrigues, as Jeremiah warned for 40 years, 5 kings of Israel from Josiah, to Jehoahaz, to Jehoiakim, to Jehoiachin to Zedekiah, and finally God had had enough. (2 Kings 24:2 marks Jehoiakim’s reign as the period of activation) Thus God delayed the exile and destruction as a fair warning period that could have been responded to, but was ignored.

(2 Kings 24:1-4) In his days Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon came up, and so Jehoiakim became his servant for three years. However, he turned back and rebelled against him. 2 And Jehovah began to send against him marauder bands of Chaldeans and marauder bands of Syrians and marauder bands of Moabites and marauder bands of the sons of Ammon, and he kept sending them against Judah to destroy it, according to Jehovah’s word that he had spoken by means of his servants the prophets. 3 It was only by the order of Jehovah that it took place against Judah, to remove it from his sight for the sins of Manasseh, according to all that he had done; 4 and also [for] the innocent blood that he had shed, so that he filled Jerusalem with innocent blood, and Jehovah did not consent to grant forgiveness.

(Daniel 1:1-2) In the third year of the kingship of Jehoiakim the king of Judah, Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon came to Jerusalem and proceeded to lay siege to it. 2 In time Jehovah gave into his hand Jehoiakim the king of Judah and a part of the utensils of the house of the [true] God, so that he brought them to the land of Shinar to the house of his god; and the utensils he brought to the treasure-house of his god.

(2 Chronicles 36:5-7) Twenty-five years old was Jehoiakim when he began to reign, and for eleven years he reigned in Jerusalem; and he continued to do what was bad in the eyes of Jehovah his God. 6 Against him Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon came up that he might bind him with two fetters of copper to carry him off to Babylon. 7 And some of the utensils of the house of Jehovah Nebuchadnezzar brought to Babylon and then put them in his palace in Babylon.

These Jewish exiles from the Jehoiachin batch of 597 BCE were considered by God to be within the “70 year” time limit of exile:

(Jeremiah 29:1-32) And these are the words of the letter that Jeremiah the prophet sent from Jerusalem to the remainder of the older men of the exiled people and to the priests and to the prophets and to all the people, whom Nebuchadnezzar had carried into exile from Jerusalem to Babylon, 2 after Jeconiah the king and the lady and the court officials, the princes of Judah and Jerusalem, and the craftsmen and the builders of bulwarks had gone forth from Jerusalem.

(Jeremiah 29:10) “For this is what Jehovah has said, ‘In accord with the fulfilling of seventy years at Babylon I shall turn my attention to you people, and I will establish toward you my good word in bringing you back to this place.’

Which was this same 597 BCE exile group:

(Ezekiel 33:21) At length it occurred in the twelfth year, in the tenth [month], on the fifth day of the month of our exile, that there came to me the escaped one from Jerusalem, saying: “The city has been struck down!”

Thus the exile start point could have, but does not have to have been concurrent with the destruction finale of 607 BCE JW “alternate reality” or the 586 BCE real thing. The actual Nebuchadnezzar based Babylonian dynasty timing, and the interference with the natural flow of Davidic kings, is more significant to the Daniel 4 theme, and to the spiritual theme it supports. It is not that there was necessarily more then 70 years of exile, it is that there is plenty of room to fulfill the “seventy years” of repaid Sabbaths in this context, meeting all the requirements and more at the same time, all in God’s jurisdiction of timing and oversight.

But now we also have the “Kingdom” and “Temple” destruction and restoration issue emerging in its related but offset timeframe to connect to the 515-516 BCE restoration events, to cap off the whole sovereign theme and prophetic development with even greater future significance than the current Bethel experiment in alternative reality.

Connecting to Temple Completion, in full Kingdom Significance

1. Kingdom.

In the Kingdom and Temple 586 BCE 70 year “seven times” connection to 515-516 BCE and Governor Zerubbabel’s Davidic line legitimacy, Jehoiachin (Jeconiah) was then the grand father of Zerubbabel by Zerubbabel’s father Shealtiel, Jehoiachin’s son while in captivity, as the Davidic line is maintained. It is an exile context marker as well, as is Jeremiah 29:1-13. (and Daniel 1:1-2, Ezekiel 33:21, Zechariah 1:12)

(Matthew 1:12) After the deportation to Babylon Jeconiah became father to Shealtiel; Shealtiel became father to Zerubbabel;

There is more proof Jehovah started to count his “70 years” exile before the Jerusalem destruction, and we can see others details when we look at ALL the “seventy years” prophecies—and a concurrent exile and total desolation is not required**[4]—they can be offset and still retain the truth! And they are offset to connect to the 516 BCE important Temple completion and Christ King-Priest significance of the future!

(Psalm 110:4-6) Jehovah has sworn (and he will feel no regret): “You are a priest to time indefinite According to the manner of Melchizedek!”  5 Jehovah himself at your right hand Will certainly break kings to pieces on the day of his anger.  6 He will execute judgment among the nations;

2. Temple.

And in the Temple connection of 516 BCE, and Joshua’s Aaronic connection of legitimacy as High Priest, Joshua was High Priest Seraiah’s grand son (killed in Jerusalem), son of Jehozadak, (Hag1:1-2; Zech6:11-13), as the Levitical high priest line is traced back to Aaron (1 Chronicles 6:1-15), all the way forward to Joshua, to the 515-516 BCE completion and coronation ceremony of the second Temple of Jerusalem.

Thus we have a truly legitimate and traced High Priest to then base the “King Priest” foregleam of Jesus Christ upon for the climax of this whole development since 607 BCE:

(Zechariah 6:11) And you must take silver and gold and make a grand crown and put [it] upon the head of Joshua the son of Jehozadak the high priest. 

Now by the Zerubbabel and Joshua Kingdom and Temple maintained pattern, the “King Priest” and Temple Completion issue was foregleamed in 515-516 BCE, with a direct overlapping connection to 586 BCE and the Jerusalem and Temple destruction dual event linking back to 607 BCE and Nebuchadnezzar’s 70 year domination beginning upon King Jehoiakim and the Davidic line’s 70 year disruption.

And thus that era wrapped up perfectly as detailed by Zechariah and Haggai and now strongly linked to those key prophecies from the same key event. Malachi’s further temple judgment prophecy (Mal3:1-5; Zech3:1-5) was in the last prophetic book in the Hebrew portion of the Bible, all leading to the Christ for that Jewish age conclusion set-up, now also tied in. Then the Christian and Revelation wrap up of John, from God, as Christ arrived as foretold, and will do so again, as foretold in all this whole story, upon the same sovereign and prophecy framework as laid there in 607 BCE, projected it all into modern times.

(Revelation 1:1) A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place.

And Jehovah’s witnesses have the valid initial master pattern, the “first witness” (of “two witnesses”), merely being discredit by Bethel error and modern evils, and needing a clarification round once Bethel is sacked in the modern temple judgment coming (Dan8:13-14), as their modern foretold apostasy is fully deposed to also continue be fully exposed in the process (Rev8-9), minus their damage control “stranger’s voice” interference. (John 10; 2Thess2:1-4)

Now we can be totally and absolutely certain the validity of 607 BCE, which still holds, as 1914 speaks for itself in other ways, as WW1 led to the “8th King” world government designate system first presentation (of four) [6] and THAT is no coincidence. NOTHING changes, it just got stronger. 1914-1919 was a true “Gentile versus Jerusalem” demonstrative period of the same theme since Daniel 4!

The final “seven times” are 2520 days, are in the “two” “witnesses”. 2 x 1260 days = 2520 days, “first witness” 1914-1919, and the future “second witness” final witnessing to emerge from the Bethel apostasy judgment. (Dan8:13-14; Rev8-11) And that “seven times” must also complete and it will.

In the meantime 607 BCE is good. 1914 CE is good as well, and re-affirmed by stand alone 1260 days prophecies, and the globalist King North/8th King events that saw the counter-Kingdom “League of Nations”, the very “Gentile” rulership entity, also raise its head as the 1260 days, in “TWO witnesses” two kingdom “witnessings”, will also end up being “seven times” as “October 1914” linked to “stand alone” 1260 day beginning December 1914-1918 to start the 1260 days first round.

But there is a final 1260 days for the “second witness” of the “two witnesses”. [3]


Daniel 7:25, Daniel 12:7, Revelation 11:2-3, Revelation 12:6,14 and Revelation 13:5-7 also manifested in 1914-1918, and 1914-1919 (Rev11), without any direct reliance on Daniel 4.

And those prophecies manifest again, as the final 1260 days to complete that “seven times” as 2520 days as Daniel 7:25, Daniel 12:7, Revelation 11:2-3, Revelation 12:14 and Revelation 13:5-7 repeat parallel, while enroute to 8th King world government, and then the Christ arrival, not “the end” (2Thess2:1-2), but the final cycle of Revelation 8-11 and 15-16. [3]

That “seven times” in Revelation 11 “holy city” significance (Rev11:2), coming into full completion, is the finality of the warning and required Kingdom proclamation.

(Revelation 10:11) And they say to me: “You must prophesy again with regard to peoples and nations and tongues and many kings.”

(Revelation 11:2-4) But as for the courtyard that is outside the temple [sanctuary], cast it clear out and do not measure it, because it has been given to the nations, and they will trample the holy city underfoot for forty-two months. 3 And I will cause my two witnesses to prophesy a thousand two hundred and sixty days dressed in sackcloth.” 4 These are [symbolized by] the two olive trees and the two lampstands and are standing before the Lord of the earth. (Zechariah connection)

8th King/King North world government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3; Dan12:11), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

THAT is the simple main point upon this whole very sovereign conflict theme.

Thus the 607 BCE “70 year” link to Cyrus, 537 BCE, and the offset 586 BCE “70 years” link to Temple completion and Zechariah, Haggai in 515-516 BCE significance, is all doubly “seven times” assured, as God opened the door by Cyrus (Isa45), and that set in stone Global Date of 539-537 BCE, and “70 years” Babylon “Gentile” rule symbol, ended as well.

Cool! All’s good!

Prophetic Harmony Test Chart and Scorecard

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1944: The Governing Body, UN Allied Apostate Leaders of the Implied “Wrong Condition” of Daniel 8:14


1944 Governing Body Birthday—1914-1976 WTBTS Board of Directors Coup Finally Realized


Why TWO Witnesses?


All Seventy Years Prophecies:

Notice there is no exile and desolation concurrent requirement:

(2 Chronicles 36:21) to fulfill Jehovah’s word by the mouth of Jeremiah, until the land had paid off its sabbaths. All the days of lying desolated it kept sabbath, to fulfill seventy years.

(Daniel 9:2) 2 in the first year of his reigning I myself, Daniel, discerned by the books the number of the years concerning which the word of Jehovah had occurred to Jeremiah the prophet, for fulfilling the devastations of Jerusalem, [namely,] seventy years.

As we see Nebuchadnezzar’s dynasty was also going to be limited to 70 years as well:

(Jeremiah 25:11-12) And all this land must become a devastated place, an object of astonishment, and these nations will have to serve the king of Babylon seventy years.”’ 12 “‘And it must occur that when seventy years have been fulfilled I shall call to account against the king of Babylon and against that nation,’ is the utterance of Jehovah, ‘their error, even against the land of the Chaldeans, and I will make it desolate wastes to time indefinite.

These people were in Jehoiachin’s marked exile, when God told them this:

(Jeremiah 29:10) “For this is what Jehovah has said, ‘In accord with the fulfilling of seventy years at Babylon I shall turn my attention to you people, and I will establish toward you my good word in bringing you back to this place.’

(Daniel 9:1-4) In the first year of Darius the son of Ahasuerus of the seed of the Medes, who had been made king over the kingdom of the Chaldeans; 2 in the first year of his reigning I myself, Daniel, discerned by the books the number of the years concerning which the word of Jehovah had occurred to Jeremiah the prophet, for fulfilling the devastations of Jerusalem, [namely,] seventy years. 3 And I proceeded to set my face to Jehovah the [true] God, in order to seek [him] with prayer and with entreaties, with fasting and sackcloth and ashes. 4 And I began to pray to Jehovah my God and to make confession and to say:

(Zechariah 1:12) So the angel of Jehovah answered and said: “O Jehovah of armies, how long will you yourself not show mercy to Jerusalem and to the cities of Judah, whom you have denounced these seventy years?”

And thus the TEMPLE completion was also a priority for God to mark with 70 years as well, from the first temple destruction to 515-516 BCE.

King 8 Versus King 7—The New World Order to Capture the Old World Order


Four 8th King UN Cycles to World Government1919-Future

UN 1. 1919 – Rev13:11-15 (Dan12:11 first fulfillment) as League of Nations after WW1;

A. International Bible Students Association (IBSA) explained as prophecy;

UN 2. 1945 – Rev17:8-11 as United Nations after WW2;

A. Jehovah’s Witnesses (JW) explained as prophecy;

Unknown and unstated by UN NGO allied Bethel and Jehovah’s witnesses:

UN 3. 1990 – Daniel 11:31b as United Nations “New World Order” Initiative after WW3 (Cold War) (Dan11:29);

A. Covered up by Bethel as UN NGO, not explained as prophecy by any religious group;

[We are Here…]

UN 4. Future – Daniel 11:45; Daniel 8:25; (Daniel 12:11 last fulfillment) as United Nations and World Government after 4th world tribulation/war cycle to come.

A. Not currently explained by Bethel in lieu of a premature “end of the world” deception. (2Thess2:1-2)

B. To be explained after the JW temple judgment desolation, purification and removal of lawless Bethel engineered subversion (2Thess2:1-4; Dan11:30-31; Dan8:11-13);



Major Prophetic Milestones to Armageddon

The Final Phase – Final Prophetic Cycle Periods and Sovereign Meanings

8th King/King North World Government as Simple as Possible

Temple Judgment to World Government to Christ Arrival

End Time Prophecy Coming Milestones To Christ Arrival – Now and of the Future


Four 8th King UN Cycles to World Government – 1919-Future

UN 1. 1919 – Rev13:11-15 (Dan12:11 first fulfillment) as League of Nations after WW1;

A. International Bible Students Association (IBSA) explained as prophecy;

UN 2. 1945 – Rev17:8-11 as United Nations after WW2;

A. Jehovah’s Witnesses (JW) explained as prophecy;

Unknown and unstated by UN NGO allied Bethel and Jehovah’s witnesses:

UN 3. 1990 – Daniel 11:31b as United Nations “New World Order” Initiative after WW3 (Cold War) (Dan11:29);

A. Covered up by Bethel as UN NGO, not explained as prophecy by any religious group;

[We are Here…]

UN 4. Future – Daniel 11:45; Daniel 8:25; (Daniel 12:11 last fulfillment) as United Nations and World Government after 4th world tribulation/war cycle to come.

A. Not currently explained by Bethel in lieu of a premature “end of the world” deception. (2Thess2:1-2)

B. To be explained after the JW temple judgment desolation, purification and removal of lawless Bethel engineered subversion (2Thess2:1-4; Dan11:30-31; Dan8:11-13);

WW1: First Cycle World War “Problem” to World Government “Solution” Global Formula; UN 1-2-3-4

WW1: First Cycle World War “Problem” to World Government “Solution” Global Formula; UN 1-2-3-4

Statement: with regard to the two witnesess and your belief that two seperate witness periods exist and that the WTO is exclusively explicit to both i find scripturally unsupportable.

Some may agree it cannot be proven by scripture. So I outline WW1 world power development to show another way to prove 1914 is the beginning of world government, hence the very entity, that when complete, will TRIGGER the Christ arrival of all time.

We do not need to rely on prophecy alone, to see 4 global war cycles, with the fourth active as GWOT (which can have a phase 2), will all climax into UN presentations, the last of which is world government.

Statement: the glaring defect lies in the fact that the first witness period of 1914-18 was actually based upon an incorrect undestanding of prophecy.

the invisible parousia lie followed by more lies to support it

Gods kingdom has always existed…

no event in 1914 brought it closer to mankind. 1914 is simply a false prophecy by the WTO with an outrageous idea that the imprisonment and subsequent release of Wt officials fullfilled the death and resurrection of the two witnesses of revelation

Well, there is a global event that does bring the Kingdom of God “closer” to mankind, and all they need to do is complete it to find out: “8th King” world government.

WW1-to-world government “image”, cycle 1, is an event and cycle that in fact did warn of the eventual arrival of Christ, when their world government abomination is completed in the future, and its first step, was the 1914-1919 WW1 to League of Nations cycle.

So, we really do have quite a dangerous step to the Lion Christ, who merely awaits them to complete their abomination totally, to then find out what happens when they kick that Lion in the face.

1914-1919 is a valid period of the beginning of the modern global development of world government, utilizing the global war cycle formula to aid it, regardless of prophecy; it is what it is.

WW1: First Cycle World War “Problem” to World Government “Solution” Global Formula

What 1914-1919 allows is understanding the World War formula, and its Global Theme [cyclic formula; WW2, Cold War, GWOT (Dan11:29)] for accelerating needed change en route to world government.

The League of Nations is significant, because its nucleus is that of forming world government, advancing further with every subsequent hot (WW2), warm (GWOT) or cold (Cold War) world war cycle.

World war, in any form destructive or constructive (Cold War; GWOT) is the greatest cyclic power phase that allows the greatest possible sub-national and international changes to occur.

World War, is a “world-war-to-world-government” cycle, in which a UN presentation caps off the cycle, in 1919, 1945 and 1990. So “foreseeing” the final global war phase to produce full world government, is intuitive and predictable now—but it is also in prophecy**.

The Federal Reserve US arm (1913-1914) of London finance “just so happening” to come about with WW1 is no accident. So in WW1 era we saw the two main driving forces of world government emerge, globalist finance (Dan11:42-43* future final cycle), and globalist military internationalization of war. (NATO roots)

*Daniel 11:42-43 Explicit in Coming 8th King Globalized Wealth Control

4th United Nations Cycle to World Government of the Future (Rev17:8-18, in full)

All we need now is the final cycle, to run the same “global war” “sword stroke” formula in a final unique global financial crash (Dan11:42-43) and world war cycle (Rev13:3), to eventually present the “solution” of world government. (Rev17:8-12; Dan8:25; Dan11:45)

8th King/King North World Government as Simple as Possible

Revelation 13 Replication and World Government

First Cycle, Main “Problem” “Solution” Formula

The Hegelian dialectic “problem” “reaction” “solution”, is typical in world war “problem” resolving into the world government “solution”.

WW1 gave us the first snapshot of that “problem”-to-“solution” formula, that repeats 3 more times (1945, 1990, future), to fourth cycle world war, and UN world government capping presentation.

The UN presentations in 1919 (WW1), 1945 (WW2) and 1990 (Cold WW3), were just the first 3 steps to full world government over the final cycle, because the financial globalization element was not yet mature (Dan11:42-43 to Rev13:15-18; future final cycle) in the intervening expansion.

As the 7th King Anglo-American national-alliance and globalizing 8th King “image” manifested in WW1, at virtually the same time, 1914-1919, as a RIVAL WORLD GOVERNMENT PROCLAMATION cycle, IT CAN BE NO ACCIDENT, a Kingdom of God proclamation “just so happened” to emerge at the same time, in progressively clearer and clearer form, for BOTH WORLD GOVERNMENT inceptions, to WW2, and then the Cold War, repeat as necessary.


And so once the Bethel apostasy is removed (Dan11:30-32a), which became obvious as UN NGO for that 1990 3rd UN presentation, which UN-Bethel now conceals in that 3rd United Nations meaning and Cold War cyclic meaning, aided by the Cold War being unique in purpose and deployment (Dan11:29), it can be made known UN 1-2-3-4, properly, while the 7th King is falling and the 8th King is “ascending” into world government.

It can be forecasted BEFORE world government completes their rival “abomination” (Dan12:11), in final cycle form, global, because it is now 1-2-3-4 intuitive, predictable, formulaic, easy-to-see.

And it is prophecy too boot, of course.

This is why Bethel conceals that King North is OBVIOUSLY the same as 8th King [b]WORLD GOVERNMENT[/b], because they are in on it too, as now 100% infiltrated and controlled internal UN allies. (Hence Daniel 11:32a, at Bethel, for quite some time; Dan8:12)

Daniel 8 and 11 Final Apostasy and 3rd UN Placement (1990) Connections and Parallels

The significance is 8th King/King North world government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes. That takes several more years.

8th King/King North World Government as Simple as Possible

3rd UN to 4th UN to Christ Arrival

What the real Daniel 11:31-45 is, is that 1990 3rd (Dan11:31b) UN and 4th (Dan11:45; future) United Nations cycle as a successful continuum. (Dan11:36)

1. Daniel 11:41-45 is the final world government cycle, as Daniel 11:40 has been active in GWOT globalist world invasion of the national systems, by NATO, US Military and globalist financial terminal debt infusion. (Active since Gulf War, post Cold War, NWO expansions)

2. Daniel 8:23 (3rd UN event; 1990), and Daniel 8:25 (world government), are also the 1990 3rd, to 4th UN event of the future.

This is why Apostate Bethel (Dan8:12; Dan11:30-35), final apostasy signal allied with the UN as UN NGO sponsors, is try their darndest to continue to subvert the real meanings in Daniel 8 and 11.

This is because their apostasy, in both Daniel prophecies (Dan8:12; Dan11:30-35), CO-DEVELOPS with that covered up 3rd UN development after the Cold War resolved into the big “New World Order” UN mantra of 1990, that Bethel joined in as UN NGO co-proclamation in the JW press (Awake! 9/8/1991) rather than update the prophecy. [1]

They are UN apostates and impostors, OF COURSE they are going to say nothing, and adjoin the WTBTS and JWs to the UN NGO grass roots campaign, to secure JW org desolation by divine decree. (Dan8:13-14)

(UN NGO travesty treason is Daniel 8:13 “transgression causing desolation” to the JW org, soon, with Daniel 11:31b 1990 3rd UN presentation “place the disgusting thing” cross connection.)


In those years coming (Dan8:14; Dan12:7; Dan12:11), these things will come and can be forecasted now, because the WW1 cycle, and the first witnessing understanding, has the same formula, this is just in final form.

It is not an “interpretation”, it is an awareness that IT ALL REPEATS. [2]

As Bethel falls with the START of the 7th King US/EU national financial meltdown, these final events will also manifest en route to 8th King world government:

1. Temple Judgment

That current Bethel apostasy will ignite a judgment on the JW organization, which will be prophetically timed as Daniel 8:13-14 ignites Daniel 11:41, first (1Pet4:17)

2. Temple purification

As the 7th King nation-state system takes its initial sovereign financial hit, the JW org visible corporate “trampling” of Daniel 11:41 and Daniel 8:13-14 will be in action to form an eventual recovery, in which the Bethel apostasy (permitting Dan11:41) and everything they are now covering up regarding 7th King downfall (Dan11:42-43), UN abyss plunge and global “sword-stroke” (Rev13), to ascend the 8th King world government eventual “rise” (Rev17:8-12; Rev11:7; Dan12:11).

And all that “final puzzle pieces” of prophecy and now easy-to-see global power development, will become part of:

3. The Final Warning of the “second witness” of the “two witnesses”; (Rev10-11:1-10)

And by that time, that final warning will precede full world government full “8th King” finality by 1260 days as Revelation 11:2-3, parallels Revelation 13:5, 12:14 and Daniel 12:7, 7:25 enroute to world government.

4. World Government Triggers Christ’s Arrival

That final warning is ceased in Revelation 11:7-10, climaxing Revelation 13:5-7, as Daniel 12:11 activating the final 1290 days, in which period, Christ arrives, triggered by complete world government. (Rev11:11-12; Matt24:29-31)

So I feel TIME will affirm this forecast, and time will affirm Daniel 8:13-14 first, and Bethel will be “trampled” in corporate takeover to mark this forecast as valid, well before the real total grand finale in world government, which will emerge with the full 7th King King South global downfall “problem” phase, to “ascend” world government as the “big global solution”, in time.

That is why there will be a “second witness” to wrap it all up (Rev10:5-11), while affirming the first witness sovereign warning of 1914-1919, in the clearest manner that will ever be given, when God “causes” that to occur as Revelation 11:1-7, in the future final cycle marked by Bethel and 7th King downfall.

**Four 8th King UN Cycles to World Government – 1919-Future

UN 1. 1919 – Rev13:11-15 (Dan12:11 first fulfillment) as League of Nations after WW1;

A. International Bible Students Association (IBSA) explained as prophecy;

UN 2. 1945 – Rev17:8-11 as United Nations after WW2;

A. Jehovah’s Witnesses (JW) explained as prophecy;

Unknown and unstated by UN NGO allied apostate Bethel and Jehovah’s witnesses:

UN 3. 1990 – Daniel 11:31b as United Nations “New World Order” Initiative after WW3 (Cold War) (Dan11:29);

A. Covered up by Bethel as UN NGO, not explained as prophecy by any religious group;

[We are Here…]

UN 4. Future – Daniel 11:45; Daniel 8:25; (Daniel 12:11 last fulfillment) as United Nations and World Government after 4th world tribulation/war cycle to come.

A. Not currently explained by Bethel in lieu of a premature “end of the world” deception. (2Thess2:1-2)

B. To be explained after the JW temple judgment desolation, purification and removal of lawless Bethel engineered subversion (2Thess2:1-4; Dan11:30-31; Dan8:11-13);

All Four United Nations Presentations are Foretold in Bible Prophecy



Daniel Prophecy and 8th King Globalists
Daniel 11:36-41 and Daniel 8:23-25 8th King Globalist Details and the Bethel Apostasy Co-Development

Bethel Apostasy Foretold in Daniel 8 and 11


Repeating Cycles: The Whole Prophecy Repeats Starting With The Temple Judgment Portion

Future Global War “Sword-Stroke” — Sets the Global Stage for the “Healing” “Ascension” of Full 8th King World Government



Temple Judgment to World Government to Christ Arrival

Seven Seals—Opened “Seal” is Opened Understanding Given to Christ in 1914

Seven Seals—Opened “Seal” is Opened Understanding Given to Christ in 1914

To understand the seven seals, one must understand what a “seal” is a symbol of.

A “seal” is a divine “secret” only God knows.

It is a symbol of a divine secret as long as it is “sealed”. Thus God already understands what is in each of the “seven seals”, he is the Sealer of the seven seals of the “sacred secret”.

And that is why when no one else could be found worthy of having this secret fully “opened”, that is fully revealed to them, it caused the apostle John great grief:

(Revelation 5:1-5) And I saw in the right hand of the One seated upon the throne a scroll written within and on the reverse side, sealed tight with seven seals. 2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice: “Who is worthy to open the scroll and loose its seals?” 3 But neither in heaven nor upon earth nor underneath the earth was there a single one able to open the scroll or to look into it. 4 And I gave way to a great deal of weeping because no one was found worthy to open the scroll or to look into it. 5 But one of the elders says to me: “Stop weeping. Look! The Lion that is of the tribe of Judah, the root of David, has conquered so as to open the scroll and its seven seals.”

(Revelation 5:9-10) And they sing a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll and open its seals, because you were slaughtered and with your blood you bought persons for God out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, 10 and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kings over the earth.”

Thus the significance of Christ being divinely worthy to “open” the “seven seals”, is God selecting and allowing Christ to understand the prophecy contained in the seven “seals” first—to “open the seal” is to understand what is within the “seal” before the nested prophecy in that “seal” transpires.

(Revelation 6:1) And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seven seals…

Thus when the seals were opened, Christ gained the initial overview of the full prophetic outworking of God’s “sacred secret” purpose, one time, in full, when he opened all seven seals sequentially in 1914. The seven seals are already “opened”. This means Christ as appointed temporary King in God’s Kingdom, was shown these things first to oversee their full fulfillment later to proceed to the Messianic Kingdom completion portion in time.

The seals opened once, when Christ was given full understanding of what was inside of each seal and thus the whole two sided scroll. Thus Christ opening all “seven seals” is his full understanding of the entire Revelation which he delivered to John from God as a “sacred secret” final revelation he could not understand at that time—only God Almighty initially understood the “sacred secret” fully, which the “seven seals” “scroll” details by the deeper prophecies within those seals that were shown to Christ in 1914.

(Revelation 1:1) A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. 

Thus God allowed the seals to be opened to Christ, by Christ, to allow anointed Christians to understand “what must shortly take place”, so that they could tell everyone all about it before it all fulfilled fully.

Now you can understand why those trying to explain the “seven seals” as sequential prophecies of the future, with no understanding of what a “seal” symbolizes, will make errors in the imagined sequence. 

When it comes to the seventh seal, the seven trumpets deeper prophecy was understood by Christ since 1914, that “seal” has already “opened” and is fully understood by Christ. Thus the events that take place in the seven trumpets nested prophecy of the future, known  by Christ now within that seal’s full symbolic understanding, are what is to fulfill in the future, in final cycle form as the “seven trumpets”, not the already “opened” seven seals overview.

Yet the events in the seven trumpets (Rev8-11) and its parallel seven plagues (Rev15-16), will respect the sequence of events in the seven seals, which first four seals are already the global war accelerant developments of those symbolisms that began with World War One as the world war theme was set for the rest of the century in 1914-1918 first cycle. Like the “sign” in Matthew 24, the intensity of the first four seals global “horse” ride will intensify to completion in the future. But the quadruple “horse” ride did all begin with WW1.

The Seven Seals Prophecy Contains Other Prophecies

The detailed prophecies the seals contain are separate nested prophecies that will fulfill later. 

What is inside of those seals are the actually further nested prophecies, that all take place fully in the “seven trumpets” and “seven plagues” which are the actual global manifestations of those prophecies of future trumpets and plagues which are nested in the “seventh seal”. The “seals” are not the future prophecy, they are already “opened” to Christ’s complete understanding from back in his God’s Kingdom installment, to carry all this out as God’s anointed King.

The unique feature of the “seven seals” is that it is a prophecy in itself, that contains other nested prophecies within the “seals” that fulfill later fully. No other prophecy is structured like the “seven seals”. The “seven seals” also contain the “seven trumpets”, that is unique.

(In such manner the original preview cycle fulfillment that Jehovah’s witnesses have made known is valid, it merely repeats in a final world war cycle of the future, as the Revelation 13 global “sword stroke” to global “healing” process also repeats prior to 8th King world government which “ascends from the abyss” with that global “healing” process concurrently. (Rev11:7; Rev17:8-18; Rev13:3, Rev13:15-18))

The seventh seal “seven trumpets” fully explain the whole sequence of the first six seals, in greater detail of how the sequence is to actually unfold with the seven plagues from the temple judgment activation (Rev8), to the ministerial recovery (Rev9-10), to the final warning (Rev11:17) in the “tribulation of those days” to conclude into 8th King world government and then Christ’s arrival (Rev11:7-13), for Messianic Kingdom completion, final sheep securement and 7th Trumpet final universal and global conquest (Rev11:15-19) of God and Christ, the whole point of the seven trumpet overview.

The whole prophecy used to be a secret even unknown by Jesus Christ; at one time, only God Almighty understood what was in those seven seals, thus what the entire scroll contains. The seals are symbolic of sealed, therefore secret, divine information, that when unsealed are symbolic of Christ “the Lamb” coming to full understanding of what the “seal” contains when he “opens” it in actual understanding of future events and tasks for Christ’s understanding first.

The “seven” is Christ’s full understanding of God’s purpose in how the final prophecies must unfold fully, in every detail, for he is involved in their final fulfillment.

(Revelation 5:6) And I saw standing in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures and in the midst of the elders a lamb as though it had been slaughtered, having seven horns and seven eyes, which [eyes] mean the seven spirits of God that have been sent forth into the whole earth. 

The seals opened are symbolic of Christ fully knowing from God, how God’s “sacred secret” is fully revealed first, and brought to a finish in the subsequent seven trumpets prophetic fulfillment which is nested in that seventh seal, already now fully understood by Christ before it all unfolds, to carry it all out fully in the future.

And that is why the sixth trumpet is when the announcement of completion of that “sacred secret” is “brought to a finish”, that is the overall divine “secret” all “seven seals” contain that are summarized in the “little scroll” fully fulfilling this directive of God:

(Revelation 10:5-7) And the angel that I saw standing on the sea and on the earth raised his right hand to heaven, 6 and by the One who lives forever and ever, who created the heaven and the things in it and the earth and the things in it and the sea and the things in it, he swore: “There will be no delay any longer; 7 but in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to blow his trumpet, the sacred secret of God according to the good news which he declared to his own slaves the prophets is indeed brought to a finish.”

Which leads to the final commission of the “little scroll” final divine sovereign ultimatum of Messianic Kingdom completion certainty:

(Revelation 10:8-10) And the voice that I heard out of heaven is speaking again with me and saying: “Go, take the opened scroll that is in the hand of the angel who is standing on the sea and on the earth.” 9 And I went away to the angel and told him to give me the little scroll. And he said to me: “Take it and eat it up, and it will make your belly bitter, but in your mouth it will be sweet as honey.” 10 And I took the little scroll out of the hand of the angel and ate it up, and in my mouth it was sweet as honey; but when I had eaten it up, my belly was made bitter. 

And the “witnessing” occurs again, the second time the “two witnesses” “prophecy” concerning Kingdom reality, this time the Messianic Kingdom completion proclamation:

(Revelation 10: 11) And they say to me: “You must prophesy AGAIN with regard to peoples and nations and tongues and many kings.”

Thus we can see why those explaining the “seals” as if they are a sequential prophecy of the future, do not understand the basic symbolic meaning of the “seal” itself, and how it is already “opened” to Christ, by Christ, by God’s appointment and decree. And that is why the overview in all six first seals opened to Christ’s mind, is fully explained within the “seventh seal”, already opened to Christ, in its seven trumpets content, which are the sequential future prophecy yet to fulfill in full form that completes the whole thing for real, in the future.

Therefore it is the seven trumpets that fulfill in the future, not the “seven seals” which have already opened to Christ’s full understanding since 1914. Of course those doubting 1914 will not see the significance of Christ’s required full understanding given by God first, in His Kingdom first, to oversee the whole future unfolding of the entire “sacred secret brought to a finish”.

Christ In God’s Kingdom First to Then Lead to Christ in Messianic Kingdom Later

Thus the logic is God gives Christ full prophetic insight to guide the Messianic Kingdom completion process over the intervening time period of the first witnessing of Jehovah’s witnesses since the 1914-1919 first main cycle. And thus the original Jehovah’s witnesses explanation of Revelation is a valid preview fulfillment that has accompanied Christ’s divine empowerment as King of God’s Kingdom since 1914.

But that is not the only Kingdom Christ will assume the kingship in. 

Christ will be crowned “King of kings” in the Messianic Kingdom sovereign agency as well, which has been preparing for completion over this entire century of developments, as aided by that preview fulfillment being made known by Jehovah’s witnesses. But the Messianic Kingdom must also complete and have Christ placed by God Almighty as coronated and installed “King of kings” “King Priest” in that yet to complete Messianic Kingdom final required sovereign agency—the one that actually smashes the 8th King when they are ready and complete, and rules planet Earth forevermore. (Dan2:31-45)

(Daniel 2:34-35) You kept on looking until a (Messianic Kingdom) stone was cut out not by hands, and it struck the (complete 8th King world government) image on its feet of iron and of molded clay and crushed them. 35 At that time the iron, the molded clay, the copper, the silver and the gold were, all together, crushed and became like the chaff from the summer threshing floor, and the wind carried them away so that no trace at all was found of them. And as for the stone that struck the image, it became a large mountain and filled the whole earth.

And this is why Revelation’s main cycle will repeat in final form in the future, to lead to the developments that will signal that required Messianic Kingdom completion before it fully culminates. Thus just as the initial preview fulfillment manifested with God’s Kingdom activity in regard to Christ’s Kingship there to oversee the rest of the ministry, the final fulfillment of Revelation will manifest with the Messianic Kingdom completion drive in regard to Christ’s final Kingship in that Kingdom entity as well.

That future Messianic Kingdom completion will thus conveniently culminate and converge with the 8th King world government completion simultaneously, for the final global sovereign confrontation between the 8th King and the Messianic Kingdom “King of kings and Lord of lords” at Armageddon. And we can see how a full and fair warning can now precede the arrival of that dual sovereign convergence to the “war of the great day of God the Almighty” (Rev16:13-16), thus giving full warning before it all goes head on with God and Christ. (Rev9-11)

Two Witnessings

This is why there will have been two witnessings when this all completes.

The Jehovah’s witnesses “first witnessing” period since 1914-1919 gave global witness to God’s Kingdom events of 1914 that saw Christ empowered in God’s Kingdom first. In the future, after the final temple judgment, the final anointed Christian ministry to be purified (Dan8:13-14) from upcoming anti-ministerial events upon Jehovah’s witnesses (Rev8), will in time (Rev9-10) give the “second witness” (Rev11) which will give global witness to the then Messianic Kingdom completion events of the future, to fully culminate after the rival demon proxy human system completes its own defiant global 8th King world government. (Dan11:45; Dan12:11; Dan8:25; Rev17:8-18)

This is why anointed Christians, will “prophesy again” in the future (Rev10:11), once the UN NGO Bethel apostasy is laid low to start Revelation 8:3-5 final cycle fulfillment meaning of the parallel to the Daniel 8:13-14 coming temple judgment of Jehovah’s witnesses. (Zech3:1-5; Mal3:1-5; 1Pet4:17)

All of Revelation 8-11 will then progress sequentially in the seven trumpets activating, once the temple judgment portion activates Revelation 8 temple judgment parallel for final cycle fulfillment in the “tribulation of those days” phase beginning, that leads to 8th King world government completion first (Rev11:7; Rev17:8-12), then Christ’s arrival, as that “tribulation of those days” expires first.

(Matthew 24:29-31) “Immediately after the tribulation of those days (That tribulation ends, the 1260 days ends; Rev11:7-10 conclusion timing just prior to Revelation 11:11-12 event parallels) the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. (the whole sovereign structure of world rulership has changed. Rev6:12-17 parallel) 30 And then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in lamentation, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. (Rev11:11-12 parallel) 31 And he will send forth his angels with a great trumpet sound (7th trumpet related immediate prelude of Messianic Kingdom completion, “in the days of the seventh angel, when he is about to blow his trumpet”. Rev10:5-7), and they will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds (of that final “great tribulation” phase), from one extremity of the heavens to their other extremity. (both “sheep” groups heavenly and earthly);

This is because “new world order” world government complete, functional (Dan11:45, Rev17:8-18) and stated (1Thess5:1-3), triggers Christ’s arrival, not before, but AFTER it completes, when they are good and ready. That takes several more years even from the beginning of the temple judgment and the “tribulation of those days” transitional phase of the overall “great tribulation”.

Thus the “four winds of the earth” phase (Rev7:1-4; Matt24:31) transpires under full 8th King world government because the final anointed affirmation sealing takes place as the final warning commission is carried out fully (Rev10:5-11; Rev11:1-7; Zech3:6-9), which final sealing enables the “four winds” phase as the “tribulation of those days” ends with that 1260 days.

Seven Sealed Open Two Sided Scroll

This is why this scroll has two sides as outlines of both Kingdom phases:

(Revelation 5:1-5) And I saw in the right hand of the One seated upon the throne a scroll written within and on the reverse side, sealed tight with seven seals.

There is a fulfillment cycle concerning both of the Kingdom developments in God’s Kingdom and the later Messianic Kingdom fulfillments each of which will have a full “little scroll” “witness” in the “two witnesses” to announce the certainty of the prophecy now leading to the Messianic Kingdom completion cycle.

1914 Foundatonal “Oil” and the Five Wise Virgins



The modern day prophets are presuppositionalist because at this time each of us are building the truth and learning from each other like virgins. We need to help brother King to see through the scrptures. The 1914-1919 ministry is important and I explain “why” it is important to us one hundred years later in my manifesto. My manifesto is in pdf and I will post it soon. Brother King is a prophet and may have issues like Paul which at one time led to a bitter arguement among the apostles. Nevertheless, he is prophesying. We will pray for each other.

Yes I cannot presume to know Robert King’s state. And like Bethel I have tried to ponder a few options of him, them, and say anointedjw, and others. (heck, including myself, lol)

I feel we are in a period of anointed darkness. I think it affects the core anointed flock, and as before Satan wants to use dispute and division, and even in JWs, he is successful, as foretold. And it gets yet worse; (Zech13:7)

ALL those patterns are for our benefit and repeat. That is why the 1914 ministry was so important, it laid out a pattern AND principles, with astounding world developments for its time. SHOOT! The Federal Reserve was also born in the same cycle, LOL!




Thus respecting the foundational prophecy truth and truthful principles is our “oil” and “reserve”, imo—we NEED to KEEP that “oil” as reserve!!!!. And it is “in reserve” so when God LIGHTS IT UP, when we have to use it, the light is [[ALREADY]] there, the first cycle is to be the last cycle, as simple as that, but to complete form, for example, Christ will ACTUALLY SHOW UP!!!!

So in the meantime we have 10 virgins, meaning 10 “individuals” comprising one “body” at this time, and as per Matt25:5 ALL of them “nodded off”. Thus we have a distribution as well, but to God it is a “body” of a whole, as 10 virgins God will look at us individually.


But when it comes time to light up, that “oil” is already “in reserve”, from before the nap. This is why the wise say to the foolish: go and buy it from those that sell it, the new “oil” versions. The new oil would be, imo, useless. The reserve “oil” is the key “oil”.

Thus when prophecy “lights up” based on a meaning ALREADY given for us, the “light” is the same “light”, lighting up the way for people to see Christ’s arrival before it occurs, in enough foresight and certainty, yet approximated enough to know it will occur, his “Arrival” is also already in the first cycle PREVIEW.

So we just wait, and we see in our own time, when “that cry arose in the middle of the night” to the 10 virgins, because that is an angelic call, it is, imo, at the end of the “evening” “night” phase of Dan8:14,26, at the peak of the darkness JWs will be tossed into, TEMPORARILY, by the MOL, not by God, it is a discipline. The “night” darkness is from apostasy.

When that “cry arises” that is when virgins go to either full light or darkness from God by perception of what the “oil” really is, and what it was based on in the first place. Once lit up from base prophecy “oil”, like a “lamp shining in a dark place, until day dawns”, the real oil source, when understood as “light”, that must come from God (2Pet1:19-21), is the prophecy, hence 2Pet1:19-21.

Thus prophecy and oil and light and understanding the real meaning, is all related, and we have a preview enlightenment from that 1914-1919 period to hang on to.

BUT in Zechariah 4:1-5 is a GUARANTEED ETERNAL SOURCE of MORE oil (the two olive trees), so in the recovery period, imo, some anointed wandering in darkness, who are yet too inexperienced in prophecy to even have had a “reserve” of original “oil”, CAN THEN ALSO be fully enlightened. So we CANNOT give up at any point in this process of enlightenment, even now in the darkness with this spark of there being far more going on at apostate Bethel.

So we are in a period that we MUST try to help even people in disagreement with us, etc, for now it is so dark and confused, ONLY the foundation we already have is our anchor. And we know why so many wander about at this and that and the other thing. EVEN if some lost “oil” there WILL be OPPORTUNITY of replenishment LATER——BUT the original “oil” CANNOT be compromised, “give us some” so the “five foolish virgins” can light up but another error, for many errors will come forth in this period even worse than now (Matt24:23-25 climaxing), because it will be energized by HUGE global events of the “tribulation of those days” actually manifesting, such as Bethel’s downfall judgment.

THAT is when Satan wants to use ALL this error for MASS confusion in the world, [[AND]] in the anointed “body” undergoing this “oil” assessment. DO NOT BE FOOLED, the original “oil” is the main “oil” to light up these kinds of final details to go into the “five wise virgins” gathering in NEW anointed, some of which will be total newbies. PLUS the “five wise virgins” have the surge of second olive tree, that lights with the second witnessing, as Zechariah 4 parallels Revelation 11, and Zechariah 3 preceding it also paralleled events in Revelation 8-10 that LEAD TO the final witnessing 2.0.

Thus it’s going to get BRIGHT when all this goes out when God and Christ BACK IT FULLY, and they will. When that Rev9 “Abyss” opens in final fulfillment, it will be like bringing cave dwellers in anointed to noon day light, it will take time to absorb and adjust.

So we cannot get stuck in getting off course in minutia now being used to mislead anointed to miss the big picture here. 1914-1919 already provides the “big picture”, we need to GUARD it, and help others to appreciate it and respect it, it is EXACTLY what it claimed to be from 1914-1945 in progressive fashion. Even it had to adjust progressively to its own brightness, at that time of 1914 onward, it was not overnight, it took time, BUT it is the ANCHOR lamp and it is the FIRST “olive tree” that is the basis of our “oil” in “reserve” now! Keep it in reserve, do NOT dump it out in this anti-JW anti-1914 campaign rampant on the Web.

Without that “oil” all the pieces of the “big picture” puzzle get scattered, and I think many anointed are now looking at various pieces, forgetting or never understanding those pieces are ALREADY in the 1914-1919 main structure of the puzzle and we have the “picture on the box” now. Imagine putting a puzzle together without that guiding image on the box? That is what is happening now all over the web.

We NEED to keep that “big picture”, that foundation and anchor, imo, and I feel actually more than my opinion.

It is too late to invent a “new religion” a new “big picture”. Worse, imagine putting together a puzzle with the WRONG guiding picture? Same thing.

Now we have an anointed revival that did make the core issues known since 1914 in progressive manner to now understand the “causes desolation” is part of the “disgusting thing” CYCLIC process for its own presentation as global “healer” of the very desolation they cause. They are con men at global scale. They use that pattern 1-2-3- and soon 4, over and over again. Thus calling the pattern for what it is, a world-war-to-world-government CYCLIC pattern, is ALSO part of this easier to see truth “big picture”.

But any how, they want people to doubt and throw away that initial ministry of exposure since 1914, of the 8th King fraud world government system, and many are doing this now by tossing the baby with the bathwater due to Bethel lawless hypocrisy, as per 2Pet2:1-3. Bethel hypocrisy is what aids discrediting 1914 on the Web. Thus Bethel lawlessness is also undermining the original “oil” reserve in that 1914 truth, EVEN anointed are now buying that deception and also doubting 1914.

NO WONDER 1914 is under full attack aided by lawless apostate Bethel by their hypocrisy and waffling bull.

(2 Peter 2:1-3) However, there also came to be false prophets among the people, as there will also be false teachers among you (like Bethel now). These very ones will quietly bring in destructive sects (like the GB cult) and will disown even the owner that bought them, bringing speedy destruction upon themselves. 2 Furthermore, many will follow their acts of loose conduct, and on account of these the way of the truth will be spoken of abusively. (they aid discrediting the whole JW ministry) 3 Also, with covetousness they will exploit you with counterfeit words. But as for them, the judgment from of old is not moving slowly, and the destruction of them is not slumbering.

NO WONDER Peter mentions 2 Peter 2:1-3 right after the light of 2 Peter 1:19-21 in “paying attention to prophecy as to a lamp shining in a dark place”. VERY VERY important is respecting and paying attention to our foundational anointed Christian modern “lamp shining” found in PROPHECY, when God opens it up; and that he did that already for that 1914-1919 VALID PREVIEW, we have the luxury of just keeping the RESERVE OIL, it is the same oil, and waiting for when GOD lights it up.

The light is already in that first “oil”, it is just not fully time for God to light it up, BUT he will, and it is the same prophecy repeating, and thus the same oil in “reserve” is from that clarified original batch.


It is the same “oil”, the same potential “light” “oil” is before being lit, because it is the same light, just lit up a final time in the future (Rev10:11), but to the same EXACT same principle meanings, and the same main players, especially Christ gauging in his full arrival! DO NOT, imo, let people discredit the 1914-1919 master “oil” cycle of enlightenment basis, it is the same old story the 8th King uses and that is why THEY are who try to erase 1914 from existence. That is how God nailed them, in their first cycle—he exposes their little world government formula in that first cycle. Now it is just a required final run, to their full completion, “one hour”, and full ouster. It is the SAME basic story, thus 1914-1919 is important, and thus that is why they attempt to erase it and discredit it, it NAILS them from the getgo.

Plain as day, its all the same story. God has made it as simple as possible, especially when we KEEP the original LIGHT and it’s original OIL as reserve. The light will light up again, a second witness.

That is why I feel the 1914-1919 “oil” is so important to KEEP in reserve. Those starting to doubt that, are DUMPING their needed oil. So yes, try to convince them to KEEP IT IN RESERVE, treasure it, it WILL be needed later. And even later some who dry out, or had none to start with, can get the replenishment of Zechariah 4. True there must be some foolish virgins, and Satan is not doing all this for total failure, so some will topple, BUT God will give every opportunity for repentance to lost anointed for the whole cycle. But he will not compromise the core truth because human world government completion will trigger Christ.

Thus the simplest import is that their world government project completion schedule is as good as knowing when Christ will arrive, in approximate but certain terms. They complete world government, Christ shows up on a complete rival 8th King, as simple as that to understand. And since it takes some final years for them to complete that world government schedule, lo and behold that schedule completing can be used to gauge when Christ will arrive, in approximate terms.

And this is why the final cycle, using first cycle principles, to be made known is important, because people will see that cycle play out fully and if they know or consider what it really means, they can use it for salvation; they can know human world government completion will usher Christ on in, for real, and he is coming to save all willing to have him as king, and must even save some ignorant of his existence and the issue, the newbies who say “when did we see you naked and hungry????”

That can only be the most novice “sheep” one can find by that time, total newbies, Christ will save some people who haven’t a clue based on heart.

(Romans 2:15-16) They are the very ones who demonstrate the matter of the law to be written in their hearts, while their conscience is bearing witness with them and, between their own thoughts, they are being accused or even excused. 16 This will be in the day when God through Christ Jesus judges the secret things of mankind, according to the good news I declare.

That “day” starts at Christ’s arrival (Matt10:23), and Christ will have salvation as his goal even when assessing totally clueless people on the fringes of the 8th King suppressed system. Thus the final salvation message is far BROADER then Bethel’s elitist fantasy of self-righteousness and apostate delusions.

(Matthew 10:23) 23 When they persecute you in one city, flee to another; (symbol of 7th and 8th King global truth suppression) for truly I say to you, you will by no means complete the circuit of the cities of Israel UNTIL the Son of man arrives.

“Until” implies the circuit is completed, but not “until” Christ arrives on the 8th King suppressed system, formerly suppressed by the 7th King and other global Caesars.

Thus in the logic, CHRIST completes the GLOBAL “circuit”, Christ finishes his own ministry upon arrival (Ps110:2), for SALVATION first, hence Rev14:14-16 before Rev14:17-20, Matt25:31-40 before Matt25:41-46. Thus those Bethel frauds are attempting to bypass the greatest period of [[OPEN SALVATION]] of all time in support of 7th and 8th King truth suppression.

(Romans 1:18-19) For God’s wrath is being revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who are suppressing the truth in an unrighteous way, 19 because what may be known about God is manifest among them, for God made it manifest to them.

Robert King, Bethel Apostasy and 1914 Foundational Cycle

Q: Do you read Robert King’s blogs and videos? He is also a prophet on Bethel apostasy. I will post my manifesto Friday or next week. I focus on accepting the “invitation” to the wedding feast of Jesus or becoming anointed. It’s a short declaration but I really want to get it done this year. I will post it here first and I hope whoever reads it shares it with others. The Bible is a fascinating Book that has many events that are synonymous with the last says and the covenant of Jesus. It is like a puzzle that God opens the minds of His anointed to understand. Otherwise, many would know what you and I know. We must feed God’s sheep because God will make them grow if we plant (1 Corinthians 3:5-7).

I BELIEVE Jehovah’s witnesses anointed Christian prophecy of the 1914-1919 cycle as the first world government cycle, and the first modern Kingdom proclamation that eventually fully manifested from 1914 to say 1950 or so. (I too think the apostasy was setting root around 1945 time periods, approximate)

So I read some Robert King, but DO NOT AGREE with his abandonment of 1914 important early JW and WW1-to-world-government prophecy. 1914-1919, is to me, the FOUNDATION cycle and the MASTER PATTERN of the final cycle, they are essentially the same exact prophecy, just the final cycle we are coming to will equate to full 8th King world government.

Thus imo, 1914-1919 is very very important to get the big picture. World-war-to-world-government is a common cycle now, and it is the basic meaning in that dimension of rival world government development of the FIRST cycle and WW1. It is very important to see world government likes to present the “solution” right after the world tribulation “problem”. It is a formula.

As bad as it may seem to get, they will resolve that coming “tribulation of those days” for 8th King world government and that final “world peace” of 1Thess5:1-3. And it takes some years, not many, but some, to unwind that cycle.

I feel lawless Bethel is a purposeful internal defection and subverting INFILTRATION designed to also discredit the original cycle by Bethel’s ridiculous lawlessness and reproaches and inane spiritual hubris. (Dan11:32a, 41)


This is why the truths Robert King does have are actually, imo, dangerous because it relies on overturning the primary truth cycle of 1914-1919. Thus in its own way, Bethel and sites like King support the same error, attempting to dump all 1914 significance. Bethel aids this not directly, but indirectly by providing reproach, error and hypocrisy to make people now doubt the WHOLE JW ministry. That is how Bethel works hand in hand with these other external errors, mixed with truth. The main goal is the total discrediting of the WHOLE JW ministry, and the discrediting of the first cycle of 1914-1919. Wiping that out will totally lose all anchor in prophecy.

So to me this applies to Robert King and all, including myself:

(Acts 5:38-39) And so, under the present circumstances, I say to you, Do not meddle with these men, but let them alone; (because, if this scheme or this work is from men, it will be overthrown; 39 but if it is from God, you will not be able to overthrow them;) otherwise, you may perhaps be found fighters actually against God.”

I do not recommend tossing the baby with the bathwater. Bethel is apostate, but the anointed Christian ministry of 1914 I do respect and uphold, and it just gets clearer when we know the world government cycle also pictured there, will, imo, repeat, and I feel it is more than opinion, but prophecy, prophecy Bethel works to undermine, while claiming to uphold it.

“”The Bible is a fascinating Book that has many events that are synonymous with the last says and the covenant of Jesus. It is like a puzzle that God opens the minds of His anointed to understand. Otherwise, many would know what you and I know. We must feed God’s sheep because God will make them grow if we plant (1 Corinthians 3:5-7)””

yes. Exactly. And God using a teaching pattern, 1914-1919, to REPEAT it for the final pattern, is, imo, the best way to allow this teaching to become easily perceived by anyone, come the time God opens the eyes of many, based on the first anointed Christian ministry of our time. We are just reviving it for the final cycle.

And we need not get stuck on minutia disagreements eher and there, BUT we need to keep the FOUNDATION of the FIRST CYCLE, because it is a true witness, and it si the basis of the second true witness, and that is WHY THERE ARE TWO WITNESSES!!!! THEY REPLICATE, THE LAST ONE REPEATS (REV10:11), THE FIRST ONE, SAME MESSAGE, BUT AT COMPLETION!

Let us know when you have your testimony available. In the meantime let unity be the goal in the things many others are seeking to uproot in that first ministry, similar things need to be stated in the final cycle, except BETHEL’S APOSTASY is the central pronouncement in that portion of the repeat of Revelation 8-9 concerning why the temple judgment was required.

Plus it tests us to see if we are candid and honest and aware enough to call our own house of anointed on our own sins, like Daniel in Daniel 9:1-9. We have to realize, the anointed Christian house is in RECORD LEVELS of disarray and wandering. Bethel has aided this, and it is going to get worse. Like Jesus said:

(Matthew 24:24-25) For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will give great signs and wonders so as to mislead, if possible, even the chosen ones. 25 Look! I have forewarned you.

Bethel aids that work. But we take the warning deep and serious, Bethel is the main culprit working AGAINST anointed now.


And Bethel apostasy is just part of the final announcement required to come out fully, human world government is a primary entity to track, and the Messianic Kingdom completion occurs in tangent with that world government completion as the final cycle winds down. Hence why God will create a recovery as per Rev9-11:1-7 in final fulfillment..

The Messianic Kingdom completion in all anointed (Rev14:1, Rev7:1-4, 1Thess4:17, Matt24:31), is the most important import of that final cycle. Just as the first cycle announced Kingdom birth, in time, and God’s Kingdom all along, the final “two witnesses” second witnessing announces the arrival of God and Christ, to complete the Messianic Kingdom completion fully, in the 8th King face, as per Psalm 110.

But of course its going to get much clearer once Bethel is tossed fully, and exposed, by God as their apostasy runs the course, and it will get worse for a while in JWs, they do get a climax period in that Daniel 8:13 “trampling”, God and Christ do not arrive into the temple immediately, accounting and discipline also is occurring upon anointed and the purification to come when that passes, and no evil “man of lawlessness” will be lift “in the temple” when God and Christ arrive for the recovery, arrive into the temple, not for the end yet, because a final proclamation has to go forth as per Rev10:11.

But it will get clearer in time dependent not on man, but on God, and he will REAFFIRM the first witness in the second witnessing of the “two witnesses”. It is actually logical why it has to have happened twice.

Just be patient and keep praying and staying awake. Bethel will be the “epicenter” of that final cycle starting, not ending, and that is why they sell those events as “the end” to JWs, to cover their exit tracks, and leave JWs in a deep smoking hoax for a while. In time JWs will need a full wake up call, and we can aid the explanation, God willing. JWs are totally off course and misled, it is what it is. Its like a flock of Geese flying way up in the sky following 8 GB geese the wrong way, a few follow then they all just flock to where everyone else seems to be going lime they know where they are going. Problem is those “geese” are a bunch of liars and UN aligned drunks, and by now they have to KNOW what they are doing, misleading JWs to a trap.


Q: Do you read Robert King’s blogs and videos? He is also a prophet on Bethel apostasy.

But true, Robert King exposes the apostasy of Bethel from way back. We need to connect that apostasy to prophecy.

OF COURSE an apostasy of such significance in the last point of former anointed Christian developmental truth IS GOING TO BE EXPLICITLY DESCRIBED IN THE PROPHECY!


But since Robert King also discredits the primary ministry and primary cycle of 1914-1919, it seems the prophecy of the apostasy alludes him.

BUT the very prophecy Bethel conceals in Daniel 8:11-14, 23-25 and Daniel 11:27-45 with PROVEN fictions is EXACTLY where the prophecy that foretells the apostasy as a CO-DEVELOPMENT with that 3rd UN placement of 1990, that BETHEL ALSO SUBVERTS AS UN NGO.

Bethell conceals the very prophecy that foretells their apostasy, while they fulfill it, go figure!

But know this, like the WW1 cycle, the final cycle will seem like the end of the world. Just as to the 1914 peoples the “Great War” seemed like it would never end, it did end, and it ended into a world government foundational presentation.

The final cycle coming up will do THE EXACT SAME THING.

The “death stroke” is one of perception:

(Revelation 13:3) And I saw one of its heads AS THOUGH slaughtered to death, but its death-stroke got healed, and all the earth followed the wild beast with admiration.

All they have to do, as in WW1, is make “the end” appear AS THOUGH it is certain. But as in WW1, the “death stroke” was not so bad, but it was enough of a “problem” in perception and tribulation events, that the League of Nations “solution” was a great relief.

Thus the “all the earth followed the wild beast with admiration” is part of that “problem” to “solution” formula. They “cause a desolation” so severe and so seemingly hopeless, that when it does come time for them to “heal” the system, the system is begging by that time for the “solution”.

And thus the sucker’s bait of how they present world government as admirable , is to also present the big solution at the proper time, when the tribulation cycle has run its “problem” course fully.

In fact, after WW2, they used it again:

(Revelation 17:8) And when they see how the wild beast was, but is not, and yet will be present, those who dwell on the earth will wonder admiringly. . .

Same thing, the League of Nations going “down” as impotent, gave “rise” to the UN, to also be “admired” as the world peace heroes; yet their elites are who engineer the whole “causes desolation” development, and it ALL serves their purpose.

After the unique Cold WW3 (Dan11:29), they did the same thing! (Daniel 11:31b, Dan8:23a), and that is how we know it will repeat a fourth time.

And the point is, the “recovery” and “healing” principle of Revelation 13:3, and the “abyss ascension” of Revelation 17:8-11, WILL REPEAT AS A WHOLE IN THIS FINAL CYCLE.

Not only will their be another “sword stroke”, there will be another UN impotence imo, and then they can come out of the “tribulation of those days” as the “causes desolation” “abyss”, and offer the final healing, and as in WW1, WW2 and Cold WW3, the world will admire it, again, it is a formula as well as a repeating cycle.

Thus the prophecy that foretells it all, also repeats.

And this is why they want to sell this final cycle “as though” it is “the end of the world”, and Bethel now FULLY aids this delusion, because it aids the final cycle recovery and “sword stroke got healed”, and missing this principle, as King does, is not a good thing.

In reality 1914-1919 is the main pattern and most important cycle because it contains all the main formulaic principles and final entities they will complete in the final cycle, by use of the same formula.

And this is why the Bethel “the end” is designed to fail, and attempt to discredit the whole prophecy.

Do not be fooled. 1914-1919 is the main pattern, and it will repeat, and this time world government is what they will be “following with admiration”.

What if 1914 is WRONG?

Case scenario: If you are a JW and found that 607 bce is a false date, WHAT DO YOU DO? Do you continue to agree with the Watchtower or do you change your beliefs to reflect that? If you possess moral fibers in your brain, what do you do?

The 607 BCE date only establishes, or not, the validity of Daniel 4.

An invalid 1914 dating from Daniel 4 calculations, does not change the FACT a Kingdom ministry, deployed into a WW1 tribulation that resolved into an 8th King League of Nations foundation globalist world government presentation.

No amount of error can change the FACT the Messianic Kingdom AND the globalist forming world government 8th Kingdom, BOTH made a claim to sovereign rulership of planet Earth.

And NOTHING can remove the fact that 8th King globalized world government will complete, and it will mean war, universal and global war, with God’s Kingdom.

NOTHING can change that truth of Revelation 19:11-21.

So really, 1914 and Daniel 4’s validity is not the whole can of worms, it ALL fulfilled according to far more significant prophecy in Daniel 12:7, 11, and Revelation 13:11-15, that are not dependent on any dates to affirm.

At times that is what people sometimes try to escape with the 1914 dating, but in fact it is no real escape from the other realities of that date that MUST culminate.

8th King United Nations World Government Final Cycle – Final Prophetic Replication and Milestones

With the UN NGO alliance, Bethel and JWs have far more trouble than just the 8th King “trampling” coming up (Dan8:13) globally, God and Christ are also parties to the judgment. (Matt24:15 is the UN NGO modern signal).

Revelation 12 Crown

Revelation 12 Crown

(Revelation 12:1-2) And a great sign was seen in heaven, a woman arrayed with the sun, and the moon was beneath her feet, and on her head was a crown of twelve stars, 2 and she was pregnant. And she cries out in her pains and in her agony to give birth.

That “crown” of “12 stars” is the 1914 Christ Kingship of God’s Kingdom, not the Messianic Kingdom element that was not even birthed yet, much less complete. So someone is represented by that “crown” of God’s submissive “woman”, and it is not God who is subservient to no one. Meaning 1914 does have a Kingdom presence, but of Christ in God’s overall Kingdom power, appointed by God, which first objective was cleaning out heaven’s sovereign domain as the sign of his power there fully, not fully in earth’s affairs at that time:

(Revelation 12:10) “Now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, who accuses them day and night before our God!

God’s Kingdom rules heaven, the Messianic Kingdom to come rules the universe and earth (Rev10), and there is a difference. The Messianic Kingdom does not rule a domain that 144000 former humans have no part in the sovereign issue there in heaven. Michael and the angels, that “12 star” order, are the ones who Satan and the demons were challenging in the heavenly component of the issue. And they are the ones who finalized it. 1/3 of the angels turned demon, sided with Satan and were also removed from heaven.

The Messianic Kingdom 144000 completion under a unique King-Priest coronation (Zech4:6-9; 6:9-15) will be the actual Messianic Kingship, on a completed Messianic Kingdom (Rev11:15), that will then clean out Satan also from the universal and earthly realm outside of heaven, and of course the earthly rivals and opposers. That Kingdom is what rules earth by divine appointment with an objective.

So completely dismissing 1914 is in error, the 1914 Kingship of Christ in God’s Kingdom is real. It is just not appointed to rule earth as the Messianic Kingdom agency of former humans is that specialized universal Kingdom. It oversaw the crowned “woman’s” birth, and it will oversee the 144000 completion into full power as Christ will be crowned in the King-Priest capacity of the make-up of that Kingdom as kings and priests.

This is the event foregleamed in 1914 designation only, that finalizes in the near future as Christ’s receives Last Adamic domain of earth:

(Revelation 11:15) And the seventh angel blew his trumpet. And loud voices occurred in heaven, saying: “The kingdom of the world did become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he will rule as king forever and ever.”

And that Kingdom cannot be handed back to God, because God is not the Eternal Father Last Adam King of the World, Christ is, in all forms. (1Cor15:45); Christ will hand back his Father’s Kingdom of God (the crown of the woman symbol), and God will in effect rule the Eternal Kingship over it all, heaven, universe and earth. Christ’s perfection and Last Adamic priority and full replacement of Adam is forever. And people can take advantage of that power to transform humans, by full sacrifice, into Last Adamic perfect and actually sinless human beings in God’s complete image, not Adamic in any way. The Messianic Kingdom of Christ is forever in that way unique to Christ.

(Revelation 22:3-5) And no more will there be any curse. But the throne of God and of the Lamb will be in [the city], and his slaves will render him sacred service; 4 and they will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads. 5 Also, night will be no more, and they have no need of lamplight nor [do they have] sunlight, because Jehovah God will shed light upon them, and they will rule as kings forever and ever.

1914 is the foundational end of gentile rulership by that heavenly Christ authority in God’s Kingdom enabling the finalization of the full Messianic Kingdom from birth to completion reality after a 2520 day “seven times” also expires a unique earthly gentile sovereign license completely as Revelation 11 must fulfill twice as both 1260 days periods complete 2520 days unique “seven times”. And the count of those 2520 days also began in 1914’s 1260 day period, approximate to the end of the 2520 years.

Of course a non-anointed Bethel of 20 years is never going to explain these things.

On “Anointed JW” Diversions and Abandonment of the JW Foundational Ministry

On “JW Anointed” Diversions and Abandonment of the JW Foundational Ministry Meaning Aids Concealment of 4 United Nations Placements

What do you think about anointed JW blog and work?

Some Christian anointed JW claimants (like Anointed-JW) are attempting to redefine the entire Christian clarification framework of JW truth based on the 1914-1926 (Dan12) actuality of the Messianic Kingdom invitational (and world warning) of that period as God WILL give full warning and WILL reveal that warning in detail in an understood Revelation.

(Revelation 1:1) . . .A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. . . .

Plain and simple, servants of God understand Revelation’s first fulfillment in the International Bible Students Assoc. (IBSA) as a VALID Christian clarification since 1914, as Daniel 12:7 “two witnesses” parallel of Revelation 11:1-7 (1260 days) did lead to the Daniel 12:11 temple purification signal of “constant feature” removal WHILE the “disgusting thing” League of Nations UN related rival world government did appear as Rev13:11-15 as per Daniel 12:11 concurrently, as detailed in that prophecy of Daniel 12:11.

That is all irreversibly a true divine warning of impending Kingdom come; Matt6:10; And come it will.

The Daniel 12:12 recovery of a Malachi3, and Zechariah 3 clarified Christian truth continuing forward after 1922 is now JW world history of a valid, global, Kingdom of God announcement, sheep call and warning of Revelation 8-9, Revelation 14-16 preview foregleam fulfillment of things that must now go further than the JW ministry of 1919-1969 that tracked 2 UN placements in 1919 and 1945 as prophecy.


Claimant JWs diverging from that truth are no longer even Christian in spirit (even if anointed, they are subverting the foundational truth basic warning), for they do not validly warn that the UN world government to come in complete form WILL trigger Armageddon as Zephaniah 3:8-9 (Rev16:13-17; Rev19:11-21) as apex rival of the Messianic Kingdom actuality.

As an example, some time after 1945 and the 2nd United Nations manifestation, JWs sort of “lost track” of that ominous UN rival to Christ meaning and prophetic tracking assignment by 1990.

As per 1914-1969 valid JW ministry, as pictured in two UN placements explained in 1919 and 1945 as prophecy and world events matching it, CONCURRENTLY EXPOSED by Jehovah’s Christian witnesses, at that time, WITH MESSIANIC KINGDOM PROPHECY and parallel sovereign proclamation being proclaimed AT THE SAME TIME, prophecy used to be validly expounded by JWs, but now JWs said nothing of the 3rd UN manifestation (1990) as a “new world order” initiative mode of world proclamation.

As if the 3rd United Nation placement, after the “cold war” form of WW3 (Dan11:29), was insignificant in “new world order”, another way of saying “world government” public statements. Instead JWs, joined the UN in 1990 and covers up the 3rd UN placement as 1990 Daniel 11:31b, and joined also the “new world order” sloganeering campaign as UN NGO (Awake! 9/8/1991) for a covert decade still unannounced, searchable in over 70 NWO references in Watchtower and Awake! between 1991-2001.

Obviously no true anointed will join the UN for any reason, much less library privileges leading to no new UN insights in 22 years of such library time, instead cover-up.

And thus JWs no longer track UN meaning or Kingdom meaning in Daniel 11:30-45 as a 3rd UN placement of Daniel 11:31 WILL in time activate Daniel 11:42-43 towards a 4th UN placement a number of years later as Daniel 11:44-45 finality of Armageddon triggering prelude. (Dan8:25; 12:11 parallel)

Thus another temple cycle is needed to judge the Bethel symbol system for UN NGO “transgression causing desolation” as Daniel 8:13 GUARANTEES God will not let us Jehovah’s witnesses sleep with the UN, cover up Daniel 11:30-45 as 8th King King North activity since 1990 made clear as day in an uncommented 3rd UN placement in post cold war presentations, drop the prophecy tracking ball, act as if none of this even matters, and let a modern day papacy ruin the ministry at Bethel.

God will desolate Bethel as signal, for UN allied adultery. PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

So the final cycle will produce a clarification, again (Rev10:11), of what JWs are supposed to be doing here, TRACKING United Nations world government development and globalizing features of that development in government, finance and military in modern developments and events and SAY SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!, rather than play dead as JWs are now doing with the zombie GB UN allied Bethel system of UN subversion. [1]

And since Daniel 11:42-45 as 8th King final cycle MUST merge into Daniel 12 live and real-time in the future “during that time” (Dan12:1), Daniel 12 MUST repeat in final form all of Revelation 8-11 to clarify out a clean “little scroll” FINAL Kingdom completion cycle warning mirroring the initial warning of JW Christians as IBSA, and instead of a League of Nations emerging, a 4th placement UN world government will again emerge as Daniel 12:11 replication of that original UN manifestation of 1919, but now in final form, and a world tribulation, like WW1 in principle, will again attempt to distract the world from the far more important Messianic Kingdom COMPLETION meaning (Rev14:1), as also the UN 8th King will ALSO be completing world government.

Such logic and prophecy of FINISHING the Christian ministry properly, is now foreign to many JWs, who think “the end” is what is next. (Zech3:1-3); And that is why a final temple cleansing cycle BEGINNING, is needed and GUARANTEED, as God will let JWs know how He feels about our little UN NGO side alliances, as JWs cannot decide: Are we God’s organization, or a UN organization?

Cannot have both, and that is how we know the GB is NOT Christian much less anointed, and Bethel’s last anointed voice was Fred Franz who was progressively silenced to never be allowed to publicly reveal what a dissolved USSR means as a full disqualification for King North meaning as per Daniel 11:36b. [2]

That too is why God must judge the JW organization FIRST (1Peter4:17), and clean out the diversion.

True anointed and true Christians regardless of calling, RESPECT the foundational truth OF GOD, that was made known through IBSA and Jehovah’s witnesses from 1919-1969 in clarified form, tracking the rival UN world government as prophecy properly, before the foretold Daniel 11:30b-31 Bethel anointed defection manifested parallel to Daniel 8:11-13 subversion and cover up marked in 1990 UN NGO activity, ALSO foretold as a parallel to modern JW organized cover-up and apostasy (Dan11:32a), as signified by covering up UN developmental urgent information as prophecy since 1990 explicitly, and covering up apex King North as only being able to be fulfilled as 8th King globalized world government totality in Daniel 11:30-45 3rd and 4th UN placements.

JWs have dropped that 3rd and 4th UN placement ball at the ’45, 1945.

Today’s Bethel dictators are UN actors, plain and simple, as foretold; (2Thess2:1-4), for the final cycle meaning that WILL AGAIN (Rev10:11), eventually utilize Jehovah’s witnesses for the final warning, in the final UN cycle, as Christ’s Kingdom will make a contrary claim of world sovereignty WITH the 8th King completion final sovereign statements as 1Thess5:1-3 UN world “peace and security” to result when “that tribulation” ends as per Matt24:29, Mark13:24, as WW1 also ended into a UN presentation, so will this final cycle end into a UN world government as final “scarlet wildbeast”, 8th King, King North, King of Fierce Countenance parallels as the WHOLE “immense image” of Daniel 2 standing at?



For now this will make zero sense to those claimant Jehovah’s witnesses who have fallen asleep as to our foundational truth and prophetic meanings of Kingdom and Temple CERTAIN completion. (Matt25:5; Rev11:7-19);

Being anointed is not a guarantee, anointed can also defect and be found unfaithful. (Heb3:12-15; 6:4-8; 10:26-31);

As we see, most Christians and anointed have lost track of [modern], final UN prophetic development and what it will mean.



PDF Download of “The Man of Lawlessness – Governing Body Based Bethel UN Prophetic Deception Operation”; Approximate 120 pages.




Temple Judgment Background – Governing Body Covers Up “King of the North” Actual 8th King Meaning

Christian Anointed Lose Kingdom Focus and Nod Off (As Per Prophecy)

Christian Anointed Lose Kingdom Focus and Nod Off (As Per Prophecy)
Messianic Kingdom and 8th King Co-Development Made Certain

It is no accident that the Jehovah’s witnesses primary ministry began with a Kingdom of God proclamation (Matt24:14; Rev11:15), deploying into a world war tribulation (Dan12:1; WW1) that resolved into a League of Nation organizational presentation and it’s first “world peace” statement as a formative world government concept in 1914-1919. (Rev11:13-15; Dan12:11);

Messianic Kingdom and 8th King development was made parallel from the beginning of the ministry.

That was the primary issue of sovereignty, with BOTH sovereign contenders revealed AT THE SAME TIME, to be identified in the Jehovah’s witnesses ministry at that time the International Bible Students. (Rev8:8-9; Matt24:14);

The true sovereign issue was made emphatic as were both contenders of that sovereign completion. There was an expiration of the appointed time God would not interfere in the governmental affairs of man (Dan4; Luke 21:20), and eventually that further time of allowance (Rev11:2-3; Dan12:7) would result in a universal war for the sovereignty of this universe and planet earth. (Rev19:19-21; Dan21:31-45; Joel 3:9-17);

The meaning of Armageddon as a sovereign universal showdown (Rev20:1-3) was made emphatic and fully explained to be a climax event on planet Earth over the issue of world rulership. That used to the complete focus of Jehovah’s witnesses.

The Kingdom message itself (Rev10-11), has caused an interference with 8th King world government development.

The whole point of the Jehovah’s witnesses ministry was the inevitable conflict of Har-Magedon (Rev16:13-16), and the salvation to be extended in that final time period of the “end of the world” of the rival sovereigns.

The fact a Kingdom of God ministry made a proclamation at the same time as the 8th King designate (1919), as fully outlined and explained in prophecy (Rev10-11; Dan2, 12; Rev13, 17), shows that the Kingdom message of the Revelation 10-11 preview sovereign Kingdom “little scroll” was going to include not only the Messianic Kingdom issue, but the rival 8th King world government issue that was to be concurrent in development from a prophetic outline of guaranteed certainty.

In fact BOTH the Messianic Kingdom “birth” and the League of Nations “image of the wildbeast” 8th King designate made a parallel presentation and the very sovereign issue of who will rule planet earth was highlighted.

This focus of not just the Kingdom of God development (Rev12), but also the 8th King (Rev13, 17), was made clear in the Revelation 8 second trumpet meaning in initial fulfillment as explained by Jehovah’s witnesses. That initial fulfillment of Revelation 8-11 set a pattern to recognize the Messianic Kingdom issue would develop from “birth” concurrent with the 8th King also from it’s League of Nations birth. (Rev12); In fact the 8th King had two more Biblically foretold presentations, each after the world war of it’s period, in 1945 and 1990, including the global “Cold War”. (Dan11:29-31);

The initial Kingdom of God ministry deployed as an anointed Christian “little scroll” proclamation known as the “two witnesses” in a global ministerial preview (1914-1918) as a Kingdom invitation to all man, and a warning to all rivals, now well known by many people as it carried that Kingdom message into also World War 2 and into the United Nations presentation of that time – all made know live and real-time, concurrently. (Rev17:8-11);

Now the FACT the 8th King and the Messianic Kingdom were in prophetic and historical co-development had a second affirmation in 1945 that this parallel was in prophecy and in world history and IMPORTANT to understand and pay attention to constantly.

This initial Kingdom ministry truth of Messianic Kingdom and 8th Kingdom co-development and prophetic fulfillment should have been the unalterable focus of Christian anointed to further inherit the “two witnesses” theme of ministry in the ensuing years, it certainly was not all done and complete as far as either the Messianic Kingdom 144000 or the 8th King world government culmination. (Dan11:42-45; Rev17:11-18; Rev16:12-16);

None of that required sovereign completion and culmination occurred in the 20th century.

Jehovah’s Witnesses Nod Off

But now things have changed right in Jehovah’s witnesses’ ministry and loss of 8th King prophecy tracking is proof Jehovah’s witnesses have also become “lukewarm” concerning also Kingdom of God focus. By losing 8th King tracking as King North of Daniel 11:30-45 and the “King of Fierce Countenance” of Daniel 8:11-25, from “small horn” root Anglo globalists, Jehovah’s witnesses leadership refuses to converge all national meaning into final globalized world government 8th King (Rev17:12-17), beyond the “image” of that world government “wildbeast” in it’s ultimate form of coming completion. (Dan2, 8, 11, Rev13, 17);

This Kingdom of God focus of tracking prophecy also tracking 8th King development as prophecy live and real-time, is what has been fully lost by Jehovah’s witnesses with now no more relevance than the 1945 second placement of the 8th King instrument of world rulership as the United Nations. Now Jehovah’s witnesses merely replay the past and try to say it is still relevant in modern times in spite of world research knowledge and information itself showing the 8th King has been in intensified globalist developments easily seen and provable since 1990.

How did such a diversion from the Kingdom assignment take place? (Dan8:11-14, Dan11:30-35);

Kingdom Eclipse, Christ Usurped: Organizational Distractions and Transgression

This eclipse of truth started in 1976 with the “lifting themselves over everyone” of the Governing Body in their Bethel coup of ministerial authority. It seems a corporate “board of directors” deemed it necessary to “lift themselves” into some divine role, as if it is a Biblical mandate of God, when in fact it’s contrivance is fully documented. Plainly Charles Russell did not consult with the “board of directors” for ultimate authoritative decisions anymore so than Paul submitted the books of Ephesians or Hebrews to the Jerusalem “Governing Body” for editing and approval.

The very “governing body” is not present in the Bible, the one time circumcision issue resolved by a one time emergency conference was just that, a one time consultation of everyone to resolve a single issue. (Acts 15:6, 22); No “governing body” authority was further ever recorded or present in any Bible account (Rev2-3), and the term “governing body” is not even present in any form in the Bible itself.

It is a corporate mundane “board of directors”. In reality the “governing body” is nothing more, nothing less for now, than a secular corporate board.

Gradual Development; (Daniel 8:12);

This fictional “governing body” concept was already being readied in Jehovah’s witnesses acceptance since 1930 of that “body” as also a supposed divine entity in addition to the “body of the Christ”. Thus this cell of corruption was accepted early on, but not in full authority. No the Governing Body even makes Apostolic claims of authority, when in fact the original Watchtower Bible and Tract Society defined what later became this divine claimant entity as merely a “board of directors”.

Now in time this “authority” totally went into rogue override. Now this additional, human invented “governing” “body” is “set in opposition” to the “body of the Christ” by it’s very existence. And due to it’s gradual “error going to them”, Jehovah’s witnesses are none the wiser, it developed too early in the ministry to be identified and removed from divine claims, and as we see God permitted it for greater reason: to form part of the final temple judgment basis of accounting. (2Thess2:11-12)

There is simply no other relevant Kingdom tracking ministry to “judge” at this time with any chance of a truth and ministerial recovery than Jehovah’s witnesses as the Christian anointed base.

From this acceptance of an old falsehood (2Thess2:1-4), and a superimposition of that “body” upon scripture (Acts 15:1-33), the “organizational” idolatry formed gradually to terminal maturation. (Dan8:23a) Together these entities now not only compete with Kingdom focus, they have usurped authority of the ministry only put in Jesus Christ’s jurisdiction by God. The Governing Body and their organization now place themselves as intermediaries in place of God’s Son, and affront on God himself.

Third United Nations Placement Ignored

Very subtly as well, the entire Kingdom prophecy focus and 8th King prophecy focus in concurrent significance has also been lost to the point that “governing body” idol joined the United Nations as the UN NGO idol (Matt24:15; Dan11:31b), at the same time of the now uncommented prophetic 3rd United Nations placement after the Cold World War 3. (Daniel 11:30-32a; Dan8:13);

Now when an astounding United Nations “cold” defeat of the “King North” USSR and the “cold” surrender of Russia to the United Nations 8th King membership took place in place of the USSR UN seat, as Bethel said nothing. Instead Bethel joined a “new world order” co-proclamation whose quotations of 8th King global placement statements are spiked into the Jehovah’s witnesses “constant feature” starting with the Awake! 9/8/1991 United Nations UN NGO prelude issue for a full covert decade of this activity.

Now when the next extremely important United Nations prophecy fulfilling event took place in 1990, to further reaffirm the first and second United Nations concurrent development opposed to the Messianic Kingdom from 1919 to 1945, Jehovah’s witnesses went mum and in coma with Bethel as regard the latest 8th King developments actually fulfilling prophecy as the true King North. Now Bethel continues to promote it’s impossible USSR King North fiction in place of the REQUIRED successful continuum (Dan11:36) of the 8th King in Daniel 11:30-45 as final King North – there can be no other “King North” but the 8th King.

Bethel refuses to expose this truth, but instead conceals it. Now Bethel even covers up the King North final identity as the 8th King! Now Jehovah’s witnesses have fully “nodded off” as well.

Jehovah’s Witnesses Anointed Join the Bethel Coma

Now rather than tell the world a 3rd UN placement took place as per prophecy in Daniel 11 that must lead to the fourth UN placement as world government (Dan11:30-45), Jehovah’s witnesses have stalled in the 1945 relevance of the 2nd UN presentation as a mere “mage” not yet world government. It is anointed Christians who are now even apostatizing in this loss of focus and total prophetic irrelevance of the modern exposition of 8th King prophecy. (Dan11:32a; Matt24:24-25);

Now the importance of tracking BOTH the Messianic Kingdom development and the 8th King current developments, at the same time, as the very same significance established in the 1914-1922 ministry and later was made, is now fully lost. Now the meaning of the 3rd United Nations placement as prophecy and significant is completely unknown to Jehovah’s witnesses.

Now the fourth and final phase of United Nations developments to come, which is also prophetic, as in the first three United Nations 8th King and “image”, is also fully lost to the derailed Jehovah’s witnesses ministry.

By this Bethel is now literally selling a premature “the end” scenario, rather than explaining the enlightenment that God has and will fully track BOTH the Messianic Kingdom and 8th King to their convergence, in prophecy and world history, to Har-Magedon, and it is over some final years of prophecy (Dan12; Rev8-11) and 8th King final development (Dan11:42-45). It is not an instant “end” event as Bethel is deceiving some with, in this now mature “operation of error”. (Dan8:23a; Dan11:32a; 2Thess2:1-12);

Thus even anointed Christians are now being misled or in the confusing effects of the Bethel lawlessness to also lose the primary focus on the Messianic Kingdom and it’s 8th King rival fulfilling prophecy concurrently, as before, and now into a final cycle of prophecy to activate with the temple judgment. (Dan8:13-14 as Rev8:3-5 in Daniel 11:42-45 soon);

Now we see many claimant anointed Christians fully disregarding the very Jehovah’s witnesses original ministerial validity that further acted as a gathering place for anointed Christians from that initial judgment on Christendom’s apostasy. The Kingdom ministry that explained the most important sovereign issue placed before anointed Christians to stay focused on as those with the opportunity to become a part of that Kingdom upon faithful endurance (Rev14:9-12), is now even undermined by anointed Christians explaining everything, but the primary sovereign issue and it’s 8th King counterpart rival.

Now an apostate anointed Christian judgment has again come to be required.

Spiritually Scattered Sheep as Kingdom Focus Lost

Now many anointed Christians, rather than stay focused on the most important issue of the truth of the Messianic Kingdom completion and it’s requirement, and it’s required completed 8th King rival and final proclamation of world government (1Thess5:1-3), have also diverged into much minutia issues with no focus on the original and current primary issue of sovereignty. Now the Bethel lawlessness causes more division of focus and attention.

Now the entire import of the first Kingdom of God proclaiming ministry, and it’s rival 8th King, is in danger of being completely lost as anointed Christians themselves wander off into every avenue of exposition other than the Messianic Kingdom reality.

Now the entire sovereign message of the Kingdom of God is diffused into bewildered anointed not ready to face and expose the “wildbeast” in it’s culmination drive. (Rev11:1-7); And it’s only going to get worse. (Zech13:7 as Dan8:13 “trampling”)

All anointed Christianity is in danger, like UN NGO Bethel is already, of being led into wildbeast world government compromise in this final cycle. Bethel confirmed UN drunkenness is already affirmed since the 3rd UN placement was joined as UN NGO, but covered up as prophecy fulfilling. (Matt24:48-51; Isa28);

It is true Bethel has raised many stumbling and controversial issues in it’s core distraction mechanism and organizational idolatry that must be dealt with by God, thus many secondary issues have arisen as written about this final apostasy. (Dan11:32-35; 2Pet2:1-3). But any thoughts of adjustments and analysis of current error must all remain upon, and refocus to, the foundation truth of the anointed Kingdom ministry and it’s sovereign proclamation mission to it’s completion and that of it’s rival 8th King. (Rev10-11 final fulfillment);

Bethel apostate feeding of the world’s oppositional reaction by means of their own lawlessness (2Pet2:1-3), is now aiding the calling into question of the ENTIRE ministry of Jehovah’s Christian witnesses back to it’s inception commission. The very “lords of the faith” seating themselves “in the temple” as the supposed leaders of Messianic Kingdom AND 8th King rival “kingdom” prophecy tracking and live exposition, are now the main instrument of diversion and subversion, fully asleep for 20 years of UN prophecy as King North.

And that is why the final temple judgment to lead to a purification and truth recovery is required. (Dan8:13-14; Zech3:1-5);

It Is All Already in the Prophecy

And that is why all these significant apostasy and judgment prelude events are INDEED foretold beforehand by God.

Who would accept that a major Christian anointed apostate development would develop right in the formerly commissioned and approved Kingdom ministry, right near to the actual “the end”, and it not be foretold by God, when it’s significance surpasses anything in Christian development since the arrival of Jesus Christ?

Who really buys Bethel’s story that the United Nations “image” is a full fledged global ruling sovereign, and that by virtue of that it is almost “all done”, as they now promote a premature “end of the world” expectation in Jehovah’s witnesses and our ministerial audience?

Now instead the 8th King prepares for world government completion over a final cycle of prophecy and development (Dan11:42-45), not “the end” yet, and Bethel speaks to “the effect that the day of Jehovah is here” while we are “not to be quickly shaken from [our] reason nor to be excited either through an inspired expression or through a verbal message or through a letter as though from us” to that effect, as Bethel is those “as though from us”, even claiming to be apostles of Christ. (WT 7/15/13);

(Revelation 2:2) ‘I know your deeds, and your labor and endurance, and that you cannot bear bad men, and that you put those to the test who say they are apostles, but they are not, and you found them liars. 

Rather than observe that first commendation of Jesus Christ to the seven congregations of global anointed Christians in principle, Jehovah’s witnesses are now deluded by “the lie” at Bethel and it’s apostate “operation of error”, forming a basis of judgment determination by allowing the Bethel apostates free reign.

(2 Thessalonians 2:11-12) So that is why God lets an operation of error go to them, that they may get to believing the lie, 12 in order that they all may be judged because they did not believe the truth but took pleasure in unrighteousness.

Now the Jehovah’s witnesses will have to decide, do we worship, “work for”, the “Governing Body” and the “organization” in idolatry subtly developed to terminal proportions, or do we worship Jehovah God through His only intermediary Jesus Christ?

Like all previous judgments of God on his house first (1Pet4:17), the temple judgment will again make a weed and wheat (Matt13), a five foolish and five wise “virgin” determination (Matt25:1-13) as all things repeat on Jehovah’s witnesses anointed Christian house, FIRST, to afford a final clarification before the true coming of Christ, Messianic Kingdom completion and 8th King completion CONCURRENT. (Mal3:1-5);

That important pattern is already set in the initial Kingdom preview ministry of Jehovah’s witnesses as the very prophecies that brought that to birth will also bring it to completion. (Zech4:6-9);

First a distinction of who actually worships God will be made in the temple judgment:

(Malachi 3:18) And you people will again certainly see [the distinction] between a righteous one and a wicked one, between one serving God and one who has not served him.”

Then the full completion phase, in action by that time (Daniel 8:13-14), will itself complete over the repeating prophecy of Daniel 12 and Revelation 8-11 (15-16) to what it was all warning of in the first place:

(Revelation 10:6-7) he swore: “There will be no delay any longer; 7 but in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to blow his trumpet, the sacred secret of God according to the good news which he declared to his own slaves the prophets is indeed brought to a finish.”

Jehovah’s witnesses are ourselves in incompletion, yet a final true ministry is required and will result from the temple judgment desolation and purification and it’s sovereign reminder as the “little scroll” sovereign Kingdom ultimatum and proclamation:

(Revelation 10:11) And they say to me: “You must prophesy AGAIN with regard to peoples and nations and tongues and many kings.”

Even Christian anointed seem to have lost the focus of the primary and main issue of universal sovereignty and the instrument God is using in Jesus Christ and the Messianic Kingdom to bring that reality TO PLANET EARTH:

(Matthew 6:9-10) “‘Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified. 10 Let your kingdom come. Let your will take place, as in heaven, also upon earth.

That REALITY is what Bethel has eclipsed and even has diverted the awareness of the 8th King rival system world government required completion now for the 3rd (Dan11:31b) and 4th placement (Dan11:45; 12:11) of the 8th King King North. Even anointed Christians are now either spiritually scattered, or in the apostate temple, and it must get worse in the temple judgment desolation (Dan8:13), for even not all anointed Christians will make this preliminary cut:

(Matthew 25:5-13) While the bridegroom was delaying, they all nodded and went to sleep. 6 Right in the middle of the night there arose a cry, ‘Here is the bridegroom! Be on your way out to meet him.’ 7 Then all those virgins rose and put their lamps in order. 8 The foolish said to the discreet, ‘Give us some of your oil, because our lamps are about to go out.’ 9 The discreet answered with the words, ‘Perhaps there may not be quite enough for us and you. Be on your way, instead, to those who sell it and buy for yourselves.’ 10 While they were going off to buy, the bridegroom arrived, and the virgins that were ready went in with him to the marriage feast; and the door was shut. 11 Afterwards the rest of the virgins also came, saying, ‘Sir, sir, open to us!’ 12 In answer he said, ‘I tell you the truth, I do not know you.’ 13 “Keep on the watch, therefore, because you know neither the day nor the hour.

And the reason will be no “oil” of scriptural awareness to see the light of the original Kingdom ministry of anointed Christians in 1914-1922 that the spirit revealed at that time as the anchor for the coming confusion.