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Can Bethel Repent? Part 1 of 4

Can Bethel Repent? Part 1 of 4

Individuals comprising the actual administrations and operations of the Jehovah’s witnesses ministry can repent, as can all Jehovah’s witnesses, in the purpose of the coming Temple judgment of Daniel 8:13-14. (Zech3:1-5) The question is will any of the former “Bethel” based Jehovah’s witnesses ministerial identity of that mundane tool, now apostate and UN allied as foretold, be used for the final warning ministry to form after the full recovery of the anointed Christian ministry by God and Christ?

“Bethel” is a term of the collective visible Jehovah’s witnesses ministry management utility, made up of a collective of global Jehovah’s witnesses individuals involved with the corporations, the “Worldwide Organization of Jehovah’s Witnesses”, and its actual corporate functionaries and administrative systems as whole identified modern “established place” of the modern Jehovah’s witnesses Christian ministry.

Will God keep any of that now UN allied abomination? (Matt24:15; Dan8:13 “transgression causing desolation”) A final ministry will form in the final cycle of Revelation 8-11, but will it in any way, shape, or form, involve the former Bethel tool?

That is the basic question many Jehovah’s witnesses will have to ask themselves, in and outside of “Bethel”, when Daniel 8:13-14 erupts upon apostate Bethel as Daniel 11:41 in the future.

Also at:

Can Bethel Repent? Part 1 of 4

Modern Bethel Apostasy

Bethel certainly has real BIG problems of terminal apostasy in its leadership, such as a UN NGO sponsoring deal. (Dan11:31; Matt24:15)

Unfortunately, the Governing Body Show has given some Christians actual valid reasons for leaving. (Matt24:15) Not all but some, but they are better of out of the JW organization whatever the reason. (Luke21:20; Matt24:15; Dan8:13; Dan11:41)—because HEAVY JUDGMENT is coming on the “Bethel” system.

There are Governing Body ( GB) based crimes, hypocrisies and truly anti-Christian policies and alliances that are dubious to the point God has to have also seen these MAJOR PROBLEMS, as some Christians with true Kingdom awareness have—which is foretold. For example, joining the United Nations of Organizations, is NOT in God’s approval, no matter how Bethel spins it, it IS Matthew 24:15 as Daniel 11:30-32a, and Daniel 8:12.

(The Daniel 8:13 Temple “TRANSGRESSION causing desolation” to the temple “established place” of Daniel 8:11.)

In fact men who claim infallibility between the lines, and set up a self protecting illegal Bethel Inquisition Judiciary to condemn men, brothers even in the GB and Bethel system for years, to what they threaten as a spiritual death of Gehenna in their own over-extension of well “beyond the things written” authority, are always exposed in time, BY GOD, just like the Pharisees.

This JW Reformer’s article is very telling in this matter, in a very simple manner:

Jehovah Blesses Obedience
by Meleti Vivlon  Sep 25, 2015


“”We are reaping what we have sown, and the reproach we were hoping to avoid has been magnified 100-fold by our failed hypocrisy.””

Contrary to Popular Belief, Bethel and its Governing Body are Subject to Divine Requirements and Judgment Like Anyone Else

Now the point is, to God, LEADERS are not given “Special License to Sin”, which they ALL claim between the lines, like the GB. The LEADERS are given TOP ATTENTION from God when He inspects a ministry. (Zech3:1-3; Isa1-12; Hosea; Micah; Amos)

And when God gets to exposing and judging REAL CRIMINAL ACTIVITY in a Christian LEADERSHIP, that itself is based on a Babel and Christendom “governing body” concept—as if divine, no questions asked— when it is not Biblical in the least, it will be completely revealed in time—as is the case of HOW Bethel devolved into an illegal idolatry. [1]


So it is not that Jehovah’s witnesses “never had the truth”, it is that they DO have the truth, and so God WILL deal with the problem: The Governing Body of Apostasy and their UN NGO covenant with the UN, involving God’s people. (Daniel 8:13-14 as Daniel 11:41; Revelation 8:3-5)

It WILL get serious, it is no light matter, and it will PROVE this is Jehovah’s anointed Christian house (1Pet4:17), merely using a mundane ministerial resource “established place” (Dan8:11) “organized ministry”, that He WILL create ENORMOUS Judgment event upon FIRST, to wake up BOTH Jehovah’s witness and those paying attention.

“The Organization” and its so-called “Governing Body” have become one of these illegal idols in God’s eyes, and it does NOTHING to minimize, but only to promote, such a lofty place in Jehovah’s witnesses eyes. They even had the blasphemous audacity to declare themselves the “faithful slave”, playing seated “God’s”, in God’s temple arrangement by their OWN approval, rather than God and Christ’s by judgment first. (2Thess2:3-4)

And they have the premature “it can end any day brothers!” distraction well in place as well (2Thess2:1-2), to smokescreen final prophecy that can be explained in light of globalization development to culminate into 8th King World Government, to “ascend” and “heal”, upon the REQUIRED 7th King fall and “sword stroke” coming. (Rev13:3; Dan11:42-43; Isa41:1; Rev17:8-13; Rev11:7)

Most Everyone is in Denial in Their Own Way

Now true most JWs and most JW critics alike, do not want this to be the real reason why these Days of Jehovah’s Judgment are coming on Jehovah’s witnesses and the now idolized and UN profaned organization and ministry. (Zech3:1-5)

1. JWs want to think it is in the “right condition” since 1944. (Dan8:14)

2. Some JW critics want to excuse themselves from overall divine sovereign issue as Christians with this sovereign mission proclamation theme, so they want JWs to be invalid and the sovereign warning of 1914 off their backs, and to just do their ministry the way they want, particularly to its main sovereign message, getting lax on the UN reality as the Wildbeast forming to World Government—they want to deny that will come, and that that will trigger Christ.

A. Others simply are misled by all the controversy into the wrong conclusion as to what is really its cause at apostate Bethel.

And all of this is NORMAL for Adamic humans, especially when a Christian ministerial leadership becomes the hypocritical problem aiding the doubt!

Bethel is its own worst enemy and the number one global reproach of all the world as far as hypocrisy and lawlessness that aids the discrediting of the original Kingdom message of Jehovah’s witnesses, at both ends of its existence, from 1914 to today—Bethel is helping jackhammer the foundation and the final phase of the anointed Christian ministry within Jehovah’s witnesses ministerial identity by constant application of organizational “Golden Calf” idolatries, hypocritical alliances (UN NGO) and standards and codified globally public lawlessness sanctioned and blessed by Bethel’s Illegal GB Kings as silent (UN NGO) or stated policy (Child Abuse cover ups).

(Hosea 8:3-6) Israel has cast off good. Let one who is an enemy pursue him. 4 They themselves have set up kings, but not because of me. They have set up princes, but I did not know [it]. With their silver and their gold they have made for themselves idols, to the end that they may be cut off. 5 Your calf has been cast off, O Samaria. My anger has grown hot against them. How long will they be incapable of innocency? 6 For from Israel was even this. A mere craftsman made it, and it is not God; because the calf of Samaria will become mere splinters..

And by the events Jehovah Almighty God by Christ will bring on this derailed ministry (Dan11:41), and its GB Kings of Bethel, JWs can be freed and updated, and both groups, JWs and JW critics, can be awakened to the revived, updated and clarified final ministry that WILL form AFTER the Bethel Apostasy is dealt with in GLOBAL MANNER as decreed by God at Daniel 8:13-14. (Zech3:1-9; Rev8)

Bethel CLAIMS the Daniel 8:14 “RIGHT CONDITION” of the anointed “Temple” has been present SINCE 1944 [3], by a historic process of “organizational adjustments” that brought the congregations, branches and all of Bethel under the dictatorial rule of a “Governing Body” that went into Rogue Tyranny in 1976, against Nathan Knorr’s and Fred Franz’s wishes and stern advice! ON THE RECORD at Bethel and elsewhere; (such as Ray Franz’s book “Crisis of Conscience”, specifically chapter 4 details.)

1. THEY REBELLED in 1976 against the God set INDIVIDUAL ministerial spearheads since 1870.

2. They first peeped the “governing body” term in 1944, to a title in 1971, to a full dictatorship in 1976, to UN NGO in 1991, to today’s major GB based apostate problem with UN ties as the JW ministry has actually been in a downward spiral ever since 1944, very “gradually given over” as per Daniel 8:12 explicit apostate subversion prophecy. [4]

3. NOW the Temple “right condition” process they claimed was instituted under the post 1944 “right condition met” is actually what has formed the WRONG CONDITION in the anointed Christians ministry!

It IS what it IS: Foretold Christian Leadership Apostasy at Bethel! The Daniel 8:14 diametric “Wrong Condition” is what has formed instead in reality.

Face the Music—The Temple Judgment

NOW the real Daniel 8:13-14 must come on Bethel as Daniel 11:41, because it is PLAIN AS DAY what the Governing Body Experiment in so-called “Theocratic Organization” has led to: The DOWNFALL of the Jehovah’s witnesses ministry, temporarily, in apostasy, UN alliance and total spiritual drunken slumber. (Matt25:5; Matt24:48-51; Zech3:1-3)

And now, in time, Bethel AND Jehovah’s witnesses will have to face, and give an account of the real Daniel 8:13-14, and Bethel’s false claims it has all been already in the “right condition”, as engineered by historic “organizational adjustments”, culminating in that 1944 “right condition” claim, in the 1999 Pay No Attention to Daniel’s Prophecy book. [3]

The 1970s final changes brought the whole JW ministry and corporate complex under Governing Body dictatorial, no questions asked, infallible, unapologetic, rigid authority, to the point they found it advisable to even join the United nations of Non Governmental Organizations, rather than explain the Outreach UN NGO Division’s true UN objective: Get all global organizations acceptable and willing to adjoin to the UN as well!

NOW the REAL Daniel 8:13-14 is coming on Bethel’s head.

1. Will they repent in public full disclosure?

2. Or will they continue in blind denial?

3. Will God even offer Bethel repentance at this point in the development after the accounting “trampling” is completed?

These are questions Bethel, Jehovah’s witnesses and others will ask in future days, as the real Daniel 8:13-14 manifests as Revelation 8:3-5, as Daniel 11:41 in the future FINAL Temple Judgment Cycle required to prepare the final Kingdom Proclamation and Salvation awareness opportunity and warning ministry in the RIGHT CONDITION.



Governing Body Since Babel


The Governing Body Experiment—1944 to Present

1944 Governing Body Birthday—1914-1976 WTBTS Board of Directors Coup Finally Realized


How Daniel 8:14 Wrong Condition Developed in Bethel Since 1944


Bethel Apostasy Foretold in Daniel 8 and 11

Daniel 8 and 11 Final Apostasy and 3rd UN Placement (1990) Connections and Parallels


Global Open Salvation—How Christ Completes His Own Ministry

The Governing Body Experiment—1944 to Present

The Governing Body Experiment—1944 to Present

Governing Body 1976

The “Governing Body” coup of 1976 is a purposeful development utilizing the 1944 introduction of the “governing body” idea (among JWs). The “idea” is that Acts 15 describes a “governing body” in some sort of supreme authority and perpetuity, which idea  is actually originally from Christendom, which self-same “rule by committee” concept and entity also played a guiding role in how that ship went well off course.

And if we notice in Acts 15, a “body” is not mentioned at all. In fact the SEPARATE entities of the emergency meeting were listed as apostles, older men, and even the “congregation” was involved in the decision:

(Acts 15:2) But when there had occurred no little dissension and disputing by Paul and Barnabas with them, they arranged for Paul and Barnabas and some others of them to go up to the apostles and older men in Jerusalem regarding this dispute.

(Acts 15:22) Then the apostles and the older men together with the whole congregation favored…

Now the point is the “itemized” “attendance list” was to established so that a “body” was NOT to be the outcome of this one time only meeting. No “body” is mentioned whatsoever, in fact the opposite, the authoritative components of the emergency session are listed, one by one, not a “body”. The idea of a body is superimposed later.

Even Christendom clerics of the Protestant bend, have also noted this distinction:

Ellicott’s Commentary for English Readers (Acts 15:1-4)

“The reference of the question to the “Apostles and elders” is in many ways important. (1) As against the dogmatic system of the Church of Rome.”

And so the point is, while some used that distinction to argue against the Papal “body”, in time Christendom adopted this same “governing body” “synod” technique of ministerial control and eventual subversion as well, also using Acts 15 to do so, long before the WTBTS “board of directors” latest version of 1976:

Pulpit Commentary (Acts 15:2)

“”The apostles and elders. This phrase marks the constitution of the governing part of the Church of Jerusalem.””

Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges (Acts 15:2)

“”These with the elders appear now as the governing body of the infant church.””


The term “governing body” has only been used by the WTBTS since 1944.

1944— [[“governing body”]] Idea

Now we know what brother Rutherford thought about “board of directors” attempted takeovers since 1917:

***Jehovah’s Witnesses in the Divine Purpose (1959); pp. 70-71***

“”There he persisted in his efforts to persuade Rutherford to send him back to England so that he might make his position more secure. When Brother Rutherford refused, he sought assistance from the board of directors and finally persuaded four members to side with him in this issue by making it appear that Brother Rutherford was unfit to serve as president of the Society. Since the board of directors consisted of only seven men, this meant that now the majority of the board of directors had gone in opposition to President Rutherford, Vice-President Pierson and Secretary-Treasurer Van Amburgh. This put the officers of the Society on one side of the issue and the directors who were trying to wrest administrative control from the president on the other side.

TOM: How did they expect to do that?

JOHN: Their idea was to make the president’s position secondary to the board of directors and limit his authority to that of an adviser. That would have meant making a change in the corporation’s bylaws, and since it was a complete departure from the provisions of the original charter it warned of serious trouble ahead.

Throughout the entire administration of Pastor Russell, the president and the other officers of the Society had been the ones to decide on new publications; the board of directors, as a body, was not consulted. Brother Rutherford continued this same policy as he took up the new administration. “”

1944—governing body

So the point is it is very interesting the “governing body” idea, to cloak the WTBTS “board of directors”, resurfaced in 1944 AFTER Rutherford died on January 8, 1942:

*** w71 12/15 pp. 755-756 A Governing Body as Different from a Legal Corporation ***

“”The official magazine of Jehovah’s Christian witnesses is The Watchtower Announcing Jehovah’s Kingdom. In the year 1944 the Watchtower magazine began to speak about the governing body of the Christian congregation.””

1971—Governing Body

And by 1971 they even “lifted up” the capitalization of their self-glorified title to “Governing Body”:

“”The Watchtower of December 15, 1971 was the first to unambiguously capitalize the term “Governing Body of Jehovah’s witnesses” as the defined group leading the religion, with a series of articles explaining its role and its relationship with the Watch Tower Society.””


And from that first 1971 “GB Title” “lift up” (2Thess2:3-4) the Governing Body error fully ” slipped in” (Jude4) AFTER Rutherford had died. At one time the “legal servant body” was the whole WTBTS corporation, no mention of Acts 15:

Let God Be True 1946

“”In 1884 the legal servant body of this international association was incorporated under Pennsylvania law. That non-profit corporation, Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, and the governing body of Jehovah’s witnesses have been inseparably associated ever since.“”

See how they just slip it all in, as if it was all always there since 1884 (and back to Acts 15), in the then non-existent “governing body”, by such smooth association?

“… and the governing body of Jehovah’s witnesses have been inseparably associated ever since” [1884]

(And this in 1944-1946 two to four years AFTER Rutherford died?)

1976—Governing Body Coup

And yet that whole GB concept and entity, “slipped in” in 1944, is well before the Bethel coup stunt they pulled off in the 1976 WTBTS takeover of the JW ministry by takeover of corporate Bethel, to be run by a dictatorial “Governing Body” as if present since 1884, as if present since the first century in Acts 15 already common superimposition.

So by the time of the 1976 Governing Body total power coup, Fred Franz had this to say:

“”The vice president said he too thought the two organizations were going to run parallel (per-haps like Antioch and Jerusalem?) and said: “I never had in mind what the Governing Body wants to do now.” [(in being a collective dictatorship)]

Fred Franz:  “”…went on to say that he had not been in favor of the [(GB)] change then and that from that point forward he had “just been watching” to see what would result.”” (Crisis of Conscience; Ch. 4)

Which more than implies, along with Fred Franz and Nathan Knorr advising AGAINST such a GB dictatorial scheme, that Fred had a suspicion about the Governing Body dictatorship.

And now, approximately 40 years after the coup of 1976, (approximately 1/3 of the whole post 1914 Jehovah’s witnesses ministry (Rev8:12)), we are starting to see why Fred Franz was not comfortable with that dictatorial GB decision, he was “just watching” to see what that experimental GB ” time bomb” would blow up into.

As Geoffrey Jackson stated to the Australian Royal Commission inquiry into child abuse polices in the WTBTS:

“”But even people who fly aeroplanes realise you can’t fly an aeroplane by committee, there has to be a pilot and a copilot. “”

And you cannot fly an anointed Christian ministry “by committee” either, as the leaderless and apostate GB  has now hit the mountain.

The “Governing Body” Rule By Committee” is an Experiment

But the point is, an error in the Governing Body concept and entity is the problem since 1944- 1976 [1], not the entire formerly valid and clean ministry of Jehovah’s witnesses and the anointed Christians [2] that were using that visible earthly ministerial vessel for the foretold final global witnessing campaign. (Rev8-11, twice [3])

God is using Caesar “superior authorities” to just begin to expose some of the other major problems (1Pet4:15-17) with this Governing Body and its lopsided and over extended [private corporate] “judicial system”, which now disobeys both God and men, goes well BEYOND “the things that are written”, and is near removal by God (Zech3:4-5).

And this is because it will not reform nor make full disclosure, on its own, the Governing Body development, 1944-1976 to present regime, IS AN EXPERIMENT. An [[experiment]] in ministerial management by committee, that has FAILED, and it is not Biblical to begin with.

God allowed the error to develop, for greater future purposes.

The “Governing Body” is the entity that has now guided the post 1969 Christian ministry of Jehovah’s witnesses totally off course [2], as they even became a member of the ‘ United Nation of Non-Kingdom Organizations’ as UN NGO UN sponsors (rather than tell JWs and the world that that 3rd UN presentation of 1990 is ALSO a prophecy at Daniel 11:31b; Daniel 8:23).

JW “The End” Hoax

But as stated at other times here, this actually evil “set in opposition” GB entity (Dan11:32a), OBVIOUSLY 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 “lifting themselves over every one” in the global-congregation of Jehovah’s witnesses, can also use that 2 Thessalonians 2:1-2 premature end delusion “to the effect the day of Jehovah is here” too soon, to smokescreen the real reason for the coming Bethel downfall (1Pet4:17; Dan11:41; Dan8:13-14), for divine disapproval (Zech3:1-5; Dan8:11-13), NOT “the end” as JWs are expecting TOO SOON.

They use the USSR retained error as well, to bypass all this prophecy [4], and to keep JWs in premature expectation of “the end” way too soon.

So this is NO WAY just a random disaster all “falling into place” at this time, AND COMING TO LIGHT ALL AT ONCE, as in the Australian Royal Commission, as far as globally-examining REAL Bethel problems and liabilities.

This is final, signal, apostasy at Bethel, as foretold in the same prophecies they now divert, >>by recent error<<, that can be proven to be error in light of that 1990 3rd UN presentation, and its concealment as to prophecy. PAY ATTENTION, please consider this whole rationale for later, because this anti-JW-org development will get worse in the near future. (And as it does, many JWs will think it is “the end”, but well too soon of prophecy reality. [5])

In REALITY the King North progress in 3rd UN manifestation (1990), AND the [modern] Bethel apostasy, CO-DEVELOP in prophecy and these events just outlined above, simultaneously and parallel. [6]

1944: The Governing Body Birthday


From Simple “Governing Body” Error to Full Blown LIE. How?


1969—The JW Peak of Spiritual Enlightenment: Revelation Complete


Why TWO Witnesses?



Russia Framed as King North—The Purpose


Bethel Hoax: Premature End Expectation


Bethel’s Main Delusion: The End is Near, Jehovah’s Day is Here! – is a Signal of The Final Apostasy



Daniel 8 and 11 Final Apostasy and 3rd UN Placement (1990) Connections and Parallels

Daniel Prophecy and 8th King Globalists
Daniel 11:36-41 and Daniel 8:23-25 8th King Globalist Details and the Bethel Apostasy Co-Development

Bethel Apostasy Foretold in Daniel 8 and 11

Bethel Trick: Conceal Truth with Truth

Bethel Trick: Conceal Truth with Truth

1. Bethel’s main technique is to misarrange final prophecy to instill false expectations in JWs so as to conceal their real “operation of error” in an obviously “lifted over everyone” corporate board acting like “God’s chosen” infallible and unapologetic “Governing Body”, even capitalizing thus titleizing their fraud secular term that is actually absent from all Bible text—thus it is superimposed by the “board of directors” to cloak their tyranny in a delusion of scriptural precedent. If the GB is scriptural, then so is the Papacy, for they are the self-same technique at work: a lie.

2. The second technique employed by signal lawless Bethel, being initially exposed even now by God to undeniable spiritual corruption they are, is to distract JWs by use of diversion to places the apostasy cannot be present as all prophetic Biblical scale apostasies take place in the spiritual LEADERSHIP as the priesthood is profaned by impostors and lawless frauds, today forming the modern Bethel “cave of robbers” that has stripped anointed Christian input from the JW ministry systematically—hence “gradually given over” to the enemy system by subversion in Daniel 8:12 and Daniel 11:32a, from within at Daniel 11:41.

3. Everything else at busy body Bethel, is to keep JWs overly busy, fully mesmerized and distracted, sharing transgression (Dan8:13, Zech3:3), and [[disconnected from prophecy and the former rules of testing and explaining prophecy]], as now Bethel reveals their ever important “dumb down” policy in Watchtower 3/15/2015 to justify the butchery of more parables in that “smooth word” issue. (Dan11:32a)

Thus by these kinds of successful DISTRACTIONS, further aided by the visually obsessed circus carnival at the Global-Bethel-org-idol, spotlighted by their celebrity GB ring leaders as the MAIN FOCUS OF GLOBAL DISTRACTION. Those GB Ringleaders are merely a secular, mundane and profane corporate pack of CEOs, nothing more nothing less, as now the Global Central Clowns of JW Circus with their centerpiece UN NGO UN partnership JW embedded abomination in the central ring of distraction as the WHOLE is now a TOTAL GLOBAL DISTRACTION from the original “Kingdom message” of guaranteed prophecy.

So the goal of the GB is sleight of hand demonic magic as per Zechariah 3:1-3, 2Thess2:1-4,9 and 2 Corinthians 11:13-15 terminal apostasy to ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO LOSE FOCUS ON PROPHECY [[and]] [where we are in the prophecy at the final cycle about to start, not end], and the fact this severe apostasy is of course ALSO in the main prophecy Bethel covers up at Daniel 11:30-35 and Daniel 8:11-13.

Connecting Bethel Lawlessness to Final Prophecy

Required Completions Yet to Come

Do not lose sight of the FACT all the prophecies leading to Christ’s arrival in the Bible will come true. The Bible is already 90% prophecy that is ALREADY world history. It stands to reason the final 10%, the climax 10% will also become world history.

There are only a few things that are required to complete, or Christ would already be rolling across planet earth with 100 billion angels and God Almighty Himself, to SAVE the place from man and demons. Do not let religious organized confusion, with the apostate Bethel “cherry on top” of that WHOLE error, distract you.

1. The Bethel apostasy is the FIRST THING in this final series of developments and events that must COMPLETE, and be fully revealed after they have sacked Bethel as a given divine judgment. (1Pet4:17, Zech3:1-5, Dan8:13-14)

2. The final anointing and affirmation sealing must complete as well (Rev7), as Bethel hinders this as that “set in opposition” final significant apostasy in the JW LEADERSHIP (2Thess2:1-4, Zech3:3), not out in the pews were they also beat the sheep and whip their fellow slaves for more more more, as JWs are modern Bethel slaves, no longer “slaves of God” or Christ, but minions of the Bethel EVIL SLAVE fully manifesting with actual crimes under their fraud-frock.

3. 8th King world government must complete (Dan11:45, Dan8:25, Rev17:11-18) when the 7th King goes down fully (Dan11:42-43, Rev13:3 (repeat)) into the “ascension” of that final world government entity (Rev11:7, Rev17:8-12) also required to complete before all the final judgments take place.

4. Those final developments as judgments to complete as well, are the:

A. Enemy system removal (Rev13:5-7) of the “two witnesses” (Rev11:3) final warning (Rev11:7-10; Dan12:11) to emerge from the, by then, Bethel apostasy terminated and exposed (Dan8:13-14, Rev8:3-5, Zech3:4-9, 2Thess2:8, Mal3:1-5),

B. Babylon the Great deposed at the end of this cycle (Rev16:12,19; Rev17:15-18), under full 8th King/King North world government as Christ’s arrival is triggered (Rev11:11-12, Matt24:29-31, Rev16:17) [[by the COMPLETION]] of the 8th King totality in “one hour” of final global reign (Rev17:12, 1Thess:5:1-3), under Satan fully empowered over earth to the hilt. (Rev12:14-17, Eze38:7)

C. That enables the final global judgment of Christ. (Matt25:31-46, Rev14:14-20)

5. In the meantime, the globalized “gathering” of Revelation 16:12-16 will also complete as foretold, globally.

A. The 8th King world government will declare “world peace and security” in that Daniel 8:25 identical “freedom from care” ONLY WHEN 8th King WORLD GOVERNMENT IS 100% COMPLETE. That is “the end” marker climax development of global defiance to God’s Kingdom at 1 Thessalonians 5:1-3.

It’s All Going to Come True Including Apostate Bethel’s Downfall Aided from Within

Regardless of human denial and Bethel global criminal lawlessness aiding their final Festival of Doubt, all that will still unfold as foretold, and as desired by the 8th King world government backing “two horned wildbeast” globalist elites and their cronies. (Dan11:42-43; Rev13:15-18)
Bethel Trick: Conceal Truth with Truth

What Bethel is doing therefore is concealing the truth, with the truth. They are using valid prophecy, misarranged and misapplied, to aid their CENTRAL DELUSION, the premature “end of the world” they now hype up all JWs with as per:

(2 Thessalonians 2:1-2) However, brothers, respecting the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we request of you 2 not to be quickly shaken from your reason nor to be excited either through an inspired expression or through a verbal message or through a letter as though from us, to the effect that the day of Jehovah is here.

And because of successful apostasy and infiltration such as this (Dan8:11-14, Dan11:30-35,41), Bethel is the final apostasy that must be instead revealed 100%, before that “end” can really come:

(2 Thessalonians 2:3-5) Let no one seduce you in any manner, because it will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction. 4 He is set in opposition and lifts himself up over everyone who is called “god” or an object of reverence, so that he sits down in the temple of The God, publicly showing himself to be a god. 5 Do you not remember that, while I was yet with you, I used to tell you these things?

JWs have well forgotten that warning (Rev2:2, not), and instead entertain the Bethel GB “man of lawlessness” heads as if they are gods on earth. (Zech3:1-3)

They only way to get through to JWs in Bethel bondage, is to of course sack Bethel and terminate the “lawless one”, which God and Christ will do in the temple judgment (Dan8:13-14), once the UN NGO “transgression causing desolation” is accounted in global “TRAMPLING” of the JW org.

And that is why the literal demons up at Bethel (Zech3:1-3, 2Thess2:9, 2Cor11:13-15), have devised this great “its the end brothers!” delusion of these modern apostate doomsday-hypers, so JWs can misperceive the “trampling” judgment end of the of Bethel apostates (Isa66:6, Dan8:13-14, Rev8:3-5), as the “end of the world”, thereby paralyzing JWs fully and fully derailing their now apostate ministry. (Hos6:1-3) This is how JWs are to soon follow the pattern of the “sign of Jonah”, three years neutralized (Dan8:14, Isa37:30), they are tossed into the sea under an “abyss” judgment of God, until God comes (Mal3:1-2) to recover them (Zech3:2, Rev9:1-2, Hos1:4-7), which he will, for the final warning (Rev10:5-11) must complete from this to be globally notable condemned apostate Bethel downfall.

And this is why Bethel has JWs focused on a double-jeopardy “Christendom must be judged, again, next brothers!”, and or the “Babylon the Great must go down next brothers! that starts the end of the world brothers!” and or “Gog of Magog will attack us next as King North brothers, we will tell you who they are then brothers! then comes Armageddon brothers!”.


All these things will in time come true, but not in the reverse order Bethel is now selling JWs and people in general, to conceal their own judgment and required downfall for mass idolatry, UN NGO and many lawless crimes against humanity, Christians, Christ and God. Bethel judgment will match the scale of their transgression, it is they who “left the holy covenant” at Daniel 11:30-32.

The Governing Body 1976 dictatorial coup, is how the 1991 UN NGO and 3rd UN presentation prophecy (Dan11:31b) was all covered up, to form this horde of impostors that now run Bethel into the ground (Dan11:32a), from within (Dan11:41), to climax in the total global coup of the JW organization to come in the future.

Therefore, make a mental note, the Bethel forecast will fail with their apostasy going down first. THAT is what they are diverting attention away from.

Bethel Apostasy Foretold in Daniel 8 and 11

Daniel 8:13-14 Details the Coming Temple Judgment of Jehovah’s Witnesses

Daniel 8 and 11 Final Apostasy and 3rd UN Placement (1990) Connections and Parallels

Temple Judgment to World Government to Christ Arrival

Governing Body is Apostasy in Leadership Defining Prophecy


Thanks. I don’t understand your last paragraph but I get what you’re saying ahead of that. I understand you to mean the current GB arrangement morphed from what had been a corporate board of directors. That makes sense.

I’m sure most JW’s wouldn’t accept a local body of elders starting to enforce rules and processes outside already established scriptural guidance. The GB is basically an appointed body of elders at the top of the org chain at bethel headquarters.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. The problem is hidden in plain sight.

Do you have any thoughts as to what makes this appointed body of elders (GB) different than another body of elders so that what this body says is a mandate to be followed by the rank and file or face severe penalties?

Your welcome.

Please consider this whole logic.

“Do you have any thoughts as to what makes this appointed body of elders (GB) different than another body of elders so that what this body says is a mandate to be followed by the rank and file or face severe penalties?”

Yes, error promoted as truth (2Thess2:11-12) by pure assumption is how this governing body concept has slowly morphed (2Cor11:13-15) into the dictatorship it is today. It is just like the Pope, except this is a collective “Governing Body”, but it serves the same function, and like the Pope, is based on accepting the same error by sly but long accepted deception.

The “Governing Body” concept is plausible in Acts 15, but it is not actually there any more than the Papacy is there. JWs are relying on the same accepted but overly assumed rationale as the Papal Apostolic Succession claim, merely modified to meet the JW circumstances of modern control. But it is the same exact thing in its basics and purpose.

In fact the GB does also claim their own form of “Apostolic Succession”:

“”The channel he used for spiritual feeding was clearly recognizable. After all, the apostles—the original members of the governing body—could provide visible proof of heavenly backing.””

(WT 7/15/13 pg. 18, par. 12)

So pure contrived authority by that body itself, accepted by plausibility, actually not legitimate or Biblical but implied as such, is how the Governing Body morphed into this form of ministerial and corporate tyranny; “gradually”; (Dan8:12, 2Cor11:13-15)

Pure presumption, but now it is too late, the GB protect their own assumption and remove those challenging it.

BUT like other basically falsehood based authoritative developments in religions, this one will also keep “sowing” bad seeds that will have greater “reaping” ramifications than Jehovah’s witnesses perceive, as JWs are being greatly subjected to this delusion as if it is Biblical fact. Look on the Web, obviously Bethel is also sowing seeds of great reproach of God by actual criminal activity. (2Pet2:1-3). That cannot turn out well in the long run. JWs are who will be globally affected, the whole ministry is actually now in great peril.

Please hear this whole rationale.

See the concept of a “faithful and discreet slave” is logically not determined by humans. God is the ultimate judge of who is faithful and who is not. The point of Christ asking “who really is the faithful and discreet slave?” is that God determines “faithful”, and that by a judgment. (1Pet4:17) That judgment of God principle befell both Israel (Isaiah, Hosea, Amos, Micah) and Jerusalem (Ezekiel, Jeremiah) in ancient times.

At the time of Israel’s and Jerusalem’s apostasies, the apostasy was [not openly recognized by the masses] of Israel. And the apostasies were [carried out by the top priestly leaders];

Apostasy, IN THE LEADERSHIP, is where all the major Biblical judgments fall upon, affecting all the people.

Later, when Christ arrived to Jerusalem, well after those older Israel and Jerusalem judgments, AGAIN a major apostasy in the LEADERSHIP of Jerusalem ended up undergoing a judgment of Biblical proportions in 70 CE. Again, the masses of Israel [did not detect the nature of the apostasy]. They bought the lie again, by assumed authority gone bad, and masterful deceptions.

After that, the same pattern appears in Christendom, organized apostasy [in the leadership] forms, and the [people do not openly recognize it]. Thus it is a progressive and cyclic principle that REPEATS, well related to Israel’s history of judgments up to the time of Christ in the Bible.

Thus we have the modern “Governing Body” presumption of divine power and authority, in the leadership, in a form of a true dictatorship. The same pattern was present in Israel in Isaiah’s time, and in Jerusalem in Jeremiah’s and Christ’s time, it is the same pattern in the Papacy, with the same goals of control and actually justifying great sins under a veneer of assumptions of righteousness, and for this reason, [again and again], the [masses generally miss what is really forming]. They DO NOT SEE the apostasy, they DO NOT ACCEPT that their leaders are lawless and idolatry promoters.

What is actually forming in Jehovah’s witnesses top leadership is a non-Biblical foreign body, of secular origins, gradually assuming “divinity” as the “governing body” “of Jehovah’s witnesses”. IN MOSTLY UNSEEN REALITY, just like in the past in all these examples covered, the GB is [[assuming]] authority, by deception and gradual corruption, over the legitimate, Biblically defined, “body of the Christ” of anointed Christians today.

Thus we have the EXACT SAME PATTERN at Bethel, as in Israel, as in Jerusalem and as in Christendom.

We have an assumed divine authority of actually illegitimate men in an illegitimate “body” of corporate mundane origins, with ILLEGAL assumed authority, actually carrying out great apostate sins, as organized “policy”, [right from the core LEADERSHIP], and few Jehovah’s witnesses recognize the error. All the same earmarks of what apostasy is, preceding a big judgment, is present now in the last place any Christian attempted reformation actually had success in modern times RIGHT IN THE CENTRAL LEADERSHIP AGAIN, but this time in Jehovah’s witnesses [negatively affecting] their ministry. And imo, it will get far worse in time. (Zech3:1-3)


Thus this late in the game, to not see these main patterns repeating, is of course just pure blindness, distraction and or inattention to study and seeing basic logic and principles. We have a leadership based apostasy in JWs, not detected by many, with huge UN NGO aligned adultery, with more organizational idolatry sins as well, and they are claiming to be “God’s prophet” and they pre-approve themselves as “faithful and discreet slave” upon their own self-appointed authority, without even mentioning a judgment of God is what determines faithful and unfaithful from God, not men.

They are blasphemous plain as day, but the delusion blinds JWs to obvious reality of the severity of GB blasphemies. (2Thess2:1-4) JWs are also greatly distracted, and obsessed with a premature “the end of the world” delusion (2Thess2:1-2), all promoted by Bethel.

Thus what we actually have is modern CLASSIC APOSTASY, [in the leadership], [detected by few], that has now fully hi-jacked and overrun not just the JW ministry, but the very basis of its existence in its corporate resource base of the global ministry by a foreign “body” now FULLY “set in opposition” to the real “body” “of the Christ” in open diametric resistance promoting great sins, right in JWs, with JWs fully duped, just like ALL the former major apostasies of the Bible.

The very existence of a “governing body” claiming to supersede the authority of the entire global congregation, is in itself a total blasphemy by the very existence of such a presumption and a group. (2Thess2:3-4)

As before, EXPECT A JUDGMENT OF GOD to eventually clear the fog of lies and transgression and expose Bethel for the modern apostasy and lawlessness it is. (2Thess2:3-4, 8; Zech3:1-5, Dan8:13-15) And imo, expect that FIRST, and soon, on this latest form of apostasy in “God’s house”. (1Pet4:17)

There has been no group in history, since the Pharisees, as primed and terminal for apostate judgment as today’s Bethel system because of the accurate knowledge it possesses and the great responsibility it has for a global Christian ministry claiming to be anointed.

And as before, though the judgments of God are meant to determine faithfulness, and to topple and or expose the unfaithful leadership of apostates and impostors, it is Jehovah’s witnesses masses, like the deluded peoples of the past, that will also be adversely affected by this kind of judgment, because religious leadership does have responsibility and accountability that can affect their “flock”.

And that imo, is what modern Bethel is today, and the GB dictatorship of 1976 developments is the core corruption authority cell that began this devolution into full blown, though well hidden and accepted, organized JW apostasy IN THE LEADERSHIP, where all classic major apostasies must form before judgment arrives.

And imo, as before, in the principle pattern, it will in time be rectified by a divine judgment on the JW org of “Biblical proportions” to activate soon; but it will drag on a few years in full downfall, imo. (Hos6:1-3, Dan8:13-14). And it is foretold, and timed (Dan8:14,26), for future verification, and the Bethel based apostasy is what makes it both necessary and certain, imo, but I feel it is ALREADY in the very prophecy JWs have made notable in Daniel 8 and 11, that Bethel is subverting on purpose. (Dan8:12b)

It is just a common repeating pattern of how unfaithfulness forms, what it does, and how it assumes its deceptive cover—it is all really just the same old story, but in modern form, repeating again.

The JW judgment will lead to things getting clearer later, because “the end of the world” will not come with that judgment, just the end of Bethel’s current management and maybe the whole corporate complex is what is coming. That is my bet, and opinion.


By the way I do believe the original anointed Christian ministry in Jehovah’s witnesses development since the time of Charles Russell and other old school reformation proponents is a valid prophetic expose’ of the human world government development exposing the League of nations as prophecy that was starting to be accomplished since 1919.

And it continued to 1945 in exposing the United Nations second step to world government as prophecy and HUGELY significant in the big picture of this overall development. Imo, all this is the truth in the early JW ministry.

BUT when the 1990 THIRD UN step to world government went global, JWs were misled by Bethel to instead PROMOTE that placement, actually in Daniel 11:30-31, as UN NGO, while SAYING NOTHING OF THE PROPHECY that is is a 3rd step to UN based world government in prophecy, also Daniel 8:23 “stand”.

Thus the 1976 GB subversion center, that allowed that UN NGO, and this cover up of the 3rd UN events, and its UN NGO endorsement, is the 1990 full exposure of “King North” of Daniel 11:32a actually as what is subverting the JW ministry, by use of the GB error and authority.

Thus in my first post to you, “King North” is the 8th King UN planners who are now secretly involved with the Bethel apostasy as Daniel 11:41 “entry” into the anointed ministry with the intent of apostasy and transgression to be introduced into the JW community with little detection. (Dan11:32-35, Dan8:11-13)

The 1976 GB development precedes the 1991 UN NGO (Awake! 9/8/1991), this apostasy going global, and the cover up of 3rd UN presentation events as prophecy, by just 11 years.

And for this reason, and more, is why I say, imo, Bethel is that signal apostasy to form for a “house judgment”, the temple judgment in modern final form, that activates while the cycle of the “tribulation of those days” forms and plays out to the FOURTH UN placement as FULL WORLD GOVERNMENT.

And thus subverting JWs to not recognize the 3rd UN event as significant and prophecy in 1990, is how the whole 3rd to 4th (future) UN events in that same prophecy (Dan11:30-45, Dan8:23-25) are ALSO not known by JWs, nor do they detect the apostasy and who is now actually in their house running the place from the GB deception.

More on the Governing Body Myth

Yes, it appears Rutherford was correct that ALL religion is a snare and a racket. Once it gets “organized” it naturally devolves into a predatory money making system, such as Bethel and their UN NGO wildbeast riding escort service.

So there really is no true and false religion, there is observing the FAITH of Jesus Christ (Rev14:12) or not, trying or not, and it is not a human being who can even determine his own status, much less that of others. Undeserved kindness would be the ONLY guarantee, and that would require the faith of Jesus towards God and him, and in his actuality as the truth.

Now Bethel is just another Christendom organized racket, hidden under an anointed Christian veneer. But beneath it is the very same thing the organized churches are, hierarchy, infallibility, inquisition, organizational idolatry, idolatry of traditions, confession, excommunication. It is all there in the JW “religion” competing with undeserved kindness as the org and it’s Sanhedrin are now the intermediaries of the faith, and all that in just 40 short years of the collective Pope Governing Body tenure.

Now JWs have faith in other things, imperfect human and manmade. The GB itslf is pure fiction, now a lie, the base core guidance center is essentially falsehood. How can anything with a lie as it’s basis prosper spiritually. They think God can’t tell there is no such thing as a dictatorship known as the “governing body” in the Bible? If so it was the Sanhedrin, not an emergency one-time council to referee the circumcision issue.

They DEBURDENED the system:

(Acts 15:19-20) Hence my decision is not to trouble those from the nations who are turning to God, 20 but to write them to abstain from things polluted by idols and from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood.

(Acts 15:28-29) For the holy spirit and we ourselves have favored adding no further burden to you, except these necessary things, 29 to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication. If you carefully keep yourselves from these things, you will prosper. Good health to you!”

Instead Bethel turns more people AWAY from God then there are even total Jehovah’s witnesses, it is a statistic verified by Bethel’s own numbers. It could be worse. There measly 1-3% “growth” rate could indeed even be negative 1-3% and no one could tell.

And the BURDEN anyone who buys them as a “divine council” in their own Apostolic succession (WT 7/15/13), the system is just a modified papal administration, under a veneer of the past JW faith of pre 1950.

How are they in any way related to that council? JAMES made the final call, not a “governing body” the whole place including the congregation was involved in the ensuing developments. Apostles were apostles, older men were older men, all were in the congregation, there simply is no “governing body” to be retrofitted to a corporate “board of directors” later, for that is all the GB is, a secular, human invented council. It is not divine, it is not Biblical, and it’s only prophecy it fulfills is apostasy and lawlessness.

So I say all this because most of it is plain as day, it is logical. The Bethel leaders are anti-christ in what is really operating in that religion. And having claimed to see, but be blind, it’s hypocrisy tops everything since the Sanhedrin. And if it had has the truth it claims it does, the truth is God does bring calamity on purposeful hypocrites, so that truth should become evident as a test of truth and justice. Bethel too will have to in time reap what it has sown. Just as Jeremiah and Paul warned Jerusalem in their respective days.

Now that, according to public record, like organized Christendom endorsing the League and UN themselves and Bethel doing their UN NGO version at UN 1990 of the same milestone of endorsing the rival “8th King” to be, ALL organized Christian claimant religion is basically on the fence, preaching the ka-ching ka-chingdom of God, but endorsing the “new world order”, just in case.

A person is better off just staying at home and reading the Bible and hopefully keeping faith God and Jesus Christ as a goal, the whole thing is lost now as far as organized religion’s predominant Christian institutions. This is in my opinion based on the basic rules in the Bible I thought “Christianity” was supposed to uphold. I KNOW Jesus Christ did uphold the principles of the faith in God’s sovereign right he died proving.

Governing Body Member Guy Pierce’s Real Name?

Governing Body Member Guy Pierce’s Real Name?

I do not know the real name, I just know some of those names are purposeful puns, and this post UN NGO GB is continuing the central operation of Henschel and Schroeder as former UN/8th King internal guides at Bethel worldwide. At the time of the UN NGO, some GB members may have actually been Christians. Today’s GB are all born in intel ops, but are directed by external planners of a multi-generational operation. The operation itself is older than the GB in coup power itself. Like politicians, the GB’s specialty is talking head control of the main illusion as central distraction.

All the subversion of teaching and logistical and financial positioning is done by external planners, some of which are WTS members, some are external experts of these kinds of operations, but they control the top key placements in those areas of needed control, internal to the Bethel corporate system and key advisors.

It’s actually a very large undercover operation at international levels of intel and subversion expertise. They effectively already own the billion dollar Bethel empire, and that all finalized since the 1970s. They just need to terminate the corporations operating power on exit, and the accompanying final transference of wealth and assets is already in place, it will just be covered up with illusions already present in JW “theology” since 1950s.

On exit of the last couple years, they will make JWs think it is misapplied and premature prophecy fulfilling, but it is just a clandestine complete corporate takeover at worldwide scale, to move the WT “pea”, into many unseen alternative corporate shells, already in position for that set of events scheduled for 2-3 years duration.

External world financial intrigues accelerated by other global developments, soon, will provide the trigger and context to make the final move on the JW corporate network. As per WT 11/15/13 pg. 20, par. 17, #3 statement, they also plan to seize as many JW “human resources” as possible in that first couple years.

Due to prophetic expectation programming, in error, JWs will of course think something entirely different is in action all the while, but contrary to JWs expectations as per Bethel fictions for this purpose of bewilderment of JWs worldwide, it will not be “the end of the world”, just the end of Bethel as JWs new it.

JWs are a potential obstacle to final world government development that this tribulatory period to begin with Bethel hits in world financial contexts, will end into as world “peace and security”. And that will take several years, and for the first 3 and more, JWs will be totally scattered and incapacitated as the central ministerial system will of course no longer be in JW possession. At least to a sizable degree of guaranteed dysfunction, as part of the overall final objectives.

If they cannot wipe out the ministerial basis all together, they can at least delay it and reduce the effects of the former potential resistance, a resistance of potential truth and exposure not present in JWs, but one that could develop as the overall world events are analyzed as per a couple simple prophetic progressions these events will match like no other in human history.

Thus the intended veneer of Bethel is misleading purposely to JWs and those thinking they know what Bethel is as a random example of hypocrisy, but there is much more involved in the real Bethel internal condition. Not to mention a billion or so in hard assets. There are a number of sub-objectives in progress or already reached (like the UN NGO) in this Bethel engineered progression to corporate impotence. Plus a naive JW mark, was also very easy to infiltrate and position the GB center of operations gradually, based on a “governing body” that is not actually in the Bible, but only in corporate secular origins, needing to be inserted into Bethel with a credible plausibility to achieve such authority now, but not always present in the “Governing Body”.

And the rest will be history.

Bethel Covers Up United Nations Prophecy

Bethel Covers Up United Nations Prophecy

If you want to understand the prophetic and world developmental reality of the Messianic Kingdom and UN world government inevitable clash, it started with JWs 1919-1969, it is derailed by UN NGO Bethel UN allies, but it will return to JW clarified Christianity as the UN world government phase is starting.

Both the Messianic Kingdom and the UN world government to come in the next decade, will both make a final sovereign world proclamation; Te Messianic Kingdom as Revelation 10-11 replication to finale, the UN system as 1Thess5:1-3 in Daniel 8:25 world peace period of UN world government to result from a world tribulation that MUST end into UN world government manifestation as Matt24:29 period parallels Dan11:45 and Dan12:11 concurrent developments.

ONLY Jehovah’s witnesses in former approved ministerial mission defined this sovereign trek in which Dan2, 7, 8 and 11 all end at Armageddon as UN world government multi-national collective.

Rev 8-11 and Rev16 also end at Har-Magedon.

The judgment on the JW now UN NGO promoting and concealing ministry will mark the beginning of Revelation 8 in the Daniel 11:42-45 final UN cycle.

PDF “The Man of Lawlessness – Governing Body Based Bethel UN Prophetic Deception Operation”;

In modern times since 1919 League of Nations exposure as Armageddon bound 8th King world government as Rev13:11-15, it all started with IBSA as JWs, is now derailed as per prophecy (2Thess2:3), and will end in a final clarified Jehovah’s Witnesses modified final ministry of Christian final definition.

The churches endorsed the rival 8th King wildbeast as UN (League of Nations) in 1919, Bethel in 1990 as UN NGO, and therein lies the reason why neither are reliable now for prophetic truth concerning UN final world government development over the next decade.

Outline – UN has Four Cycles in World History and Bible Prophecy

Although all of professed Christianity has the puzzle, it is all in unconnected pieces, and the actual picture of Daniel 2,7,8,11 and Revelation is a picture of the Kingdom of God earthly rulership agency of Christ’s overall Messianic Kingdom rulership of Daniel 2:31-45 from Genesis 3:15 promised righteous “seed” through the entire Biblical framework, the big picture, of that Kingdom of Matthew 6:10:

(Matthew 6:9-10) “‘Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified. 10 Let your kingdom come. Let your will take place, as in heaven, also upon earth.

Daniel 7 marks the Kingdom progression complimenting Daniel 2 “immense image” that Christ’s Kingdom “stone” will annihilate in it’s actual rival sovereign progression pictured in that Dan 2 “immense image” whose whole, whose totality, whose entirety yet to complete is globalist UN world government whole, complete, worldwide 8th King “scarlet wildbeast”, “king north”, “king of fierce countenance” identical globalized world government to come from this final cycle of Daniel 11:42-45, in eventual actual control of approximately 200 national powers as Revelation 13:11-15 “image” becomes Revelation 17:11-18 “world government” in final “gathered” globalized form of Revelation 16:12-17.

In addition to mapping and proclaiming that Messianic Kingdom as a contender against the United Nations final “image” AND eventual complete world government as 8th King “scarlet wildbeast” in the next decade, Jehovah’s Witnesses also tracked the rival national progressions of Daniel 2, 7, 8 and 11 as connective to Rev13 seven headed wildbeast of national collective development into a final globalized form of world development as the United Nations of 1919 and 1945 prophecy and world development.

That UN progression as King North as 8th King also as a 3rd and 4th placement from “image” to “world government” at Daniel 11:30-45 currently covered up by UN NGO JW Bethel, but it has been JWs in modern history who tracked and exposed the UN system as Christ’s final rival world sovereign at Armageddon.

Christendom and Bethel are now UN allies since 1919 and 1990 (UN NGO; Dan11:30b-31) respectively, and will not expose the ultimate meaning of the big picture completion of UN world government completion over the 4th and final cycle of the UN to complete world government of Daniel 11:42-45 financial to sovereign consolidation (Rev17:11-17) final progression in a world tribulation that will end (Matt24:29) into UN world “peace and security”.

If you want to see the big picture, rather than examine the church scattered pieces, it all starts with Jehovah’s witnesses modern defined prophetic frameworks starting the “big picture” of Messianic Kingdom and United Nations concurrent progression to convergence at Armageddon for final war to determine Earth’s final “world government” sovereignty.

United Nations Call For One World Currency Relates to Daniel 11:42-43 Cycle Starting Soon

The Total World Judgment “The Judgment” Begins With Jehovah’s Witnesses

The church clerics like modern JW Bethel leaders, ignore the prophetic tracking and meaning of UN completion to manifest in the next decade of Daniel 11:42-45 merging into Daniel 12. Thereby they both ignore the Messianic Kingdom completion cycle as well. And this is why the JW organization will suffer the Daniel 8:13-14 desolation for UN alliances publicly known as Bethel UN NGO.

That downfall will start the final cycle as 1Peter4:17 is Daniel 8:14 as Revelation 8:1-6 purification meanings; (Zechariah 3 modern final fulfillment);

Final Temple Judgment and Jehovah’s Witnesses

I am suspicious of Bethel developments…

I am Suspicious of Bethel Developments…

I am a Jehovah’s Witnesses, but I have now left JW org “Jerusalem” as per Matt 24:15 as the UN NGO signals the “disgusting thing” is indeed standing were it ought not be in the former JW Christian ministry.

I am not trying to preach to anyone, and do not know your JW background as far as understanding the theological framework, which helps understanding basics, to see how certain JW prophetic expectations will aid the Bethel crash operation, to see not only are they (Bethel) preparing JWs for an event, they have a theological set up to also cover up the actual reality of the event while it is in action. Thus there is more to the psychological preparation, some of it is decades old.

So your suspicion of such conditioned mental programming in action now in intensified form, I saw in your therapy thread, compelled me to give you some links that take your suspicion to the next level of information in terms of also:

1. Prophecy misapplied for creating a JW self fulfilling prophecy prematurely applied to cover up the Bethel worldwide event duration.

2. And the actual prophecies it is fulfilling, and why they cover up Daniel 8:11-14 and Daniel 11:30-31 meaning.

It ties in with that WT 11/15/13 pg. 20, par. 17, directive #3 order to follow any insane direction that may come from Bethel as “life saving direction”.
Though the logic connects into other developments actually to come after the Bethel organizational desolation, I think these links may have an extension of what I feel you clearly perceive from Bethel itself. What makes these analyses unique is it connects what is going on at Bethel as prophetic, and purposeful and connected to the final 8th King globalization process. Bethel works for UN objectives in reality, all undercover. Bethel is also conducting a purposeful stumbling campaign fueled by their lawless conduct, but there is much involved with the actual operation, they also want to attempt to destroy Bethel’s organizational and financial ministerial resource base, including JW capture.

I know your stressed a little, and this may seem odd, but I felt knowing the truth of Bethel to an even deeper level aids personal awareness and actually helps psychologically, rather than wondering, and knowing others see what Bethel is REALLY up to, and it is not good. As stated these articles and posts are not typical complaints and the usual Bethel based uproar, but are explanatory of the ultimate meaning of the Bethel anomalies and organized lawlessness, and that it does have a climaz coup being prepared.


How Bethel’s Hoax and End Game Diversion Works

On the Significance of the United Nations 1-2-3-4 Super-Cycle to 8th King World Government 1919 to Unknown Future Placement 4 – And The Bethel Cover UP

How to Set-Up JWs Like 8th King Sitting Ducks

JWs: Time to FLEE to the mountains!

The Total World Judgment “The Judgment” Begins With Jehovah’s Witnesses

Final Temple Judgment and Jehovah’s Witnesses



Concerning the Bethel Apostasy, what should I tell my son?

What should I tell my son concerning the Bethel lawlessness?

Tell him the truth, though all men be found liars, like Bethel’s current leadership, let God be found true. There is the Almighty God forever, human corruption is endemic since Eden’s sin, God provided PROMISE of the seed of recovery (Gen3:15), and that is still TRUTH, the truth. God tracked all that development of sovereign rival power, and his own Kingdom forming power through Daniel and to the apostle John and all the prophets for a good 2800 years of prophecy so accurate, it is now called world history.

Jesus Christ, the seed, the true solution, the first life created by God, from God, is also still true and the only true hope to retrieve men past, present and future from inevitable death in Adam. That is all still true, neither Christendom, Bethel or any other human organized diversion from truth can change reality that is actually true.

Thus tell your son the truth. Bethel’s primary leaders are now corrupted, they joined the opposing kingdom power as UN NGO, that will bring a judgment on JWs for that transgression (Dan8:13 as 1Pet4:17), and they will reap what they have sown, it is also foretold in prophecy they cover up (Dan8:12b) and truthfully, they no longer represent the truth, instead they drive millions and millions AWAY from God, but God, as before on several documented occasions of prophecy again becoming history will recover the final truth, again (Rev10:11).

You may get to the core of the dilemma, ask your son does he want to be taught about God and Christ by lawless corrupted men in the so-called Governing Body?

And I feel you can ask that question quite honestly while still maintaining core Christian truth, that truly at one time, 1914-1950 IBSA and JWs did at once truthfully represent as best they could, and they did expose the first 2 UN related fulfillments of prophecy in 1919 and 1945, rather than joining the UN, and covering up the 3rd (1990) and 4th (future) UN manifestations of Daniel 11:30-45, as Bethel also covers up King North as 8th King developments there, as their continual UN NGO internal Bethel endorsers are also prophetic subverters.

You may explain, truthfully, Jesus Christ warns Christians to flee the city (organization) once one personally ascertains the rival kingdom “disgusting thing” in it’s midst, and in principle that applies to Bethel as UN NGO and the JW organization overall:

(Matthew 24:15-16) “Therefore, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation (UN NGO), as spoken of through Daniel the prophet (1990 Dan11:31b parallel to Dan8:13-14), standing in a holy place (Bethel’s claim), (let the reader use discernment,) 16 then let those in (JW worldwide) Judea begin fleeing to the mountains. (leave JWs, judgment is nigh).

In my opinion explaining these core truths of Bethel’s corruption are important, and outweigh all their other sins (2Thess2:3-4) in direct guaranteed import of a judgment to come first upon JWs; (1Pet4:17).

Why Don’t You Disassociate Yourself?

Why Don’t You Dissociate Yourself?

JW 4 Life wrote:

LOLZ! Nice try. The real reason idiots like you and Karen won’t disassociate yourselves is because YOU know it’s Jehovah’s TRUE organization and you know the consequences if you officially leave it. You are spineless weasels. You come here telling interested ones YOUR opinions of how bad the GB is and for them not to join JWs. Yet, you say the reason YOU are still a member is because taking 5 minutes to write a letter and mailing it to the last congregation you were in is too much trouble. LOLZ!!!!! Hypocrites.
Here’s a sample letter for you idiots to write.
I, _______________, am writing this letter to formally disassociate myself from Jehovah’s Witnesses. I no longer want to be considered as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses. I was baptized in _____________ and the last congregation my publisher record cards were at is the _____________________ congregation.
Here’s the link to look up the address of the congregation too.


I am not the apostate, nor is Bethel “God’s organization”, but a UN organization now.

Like Israel, the JW org WAS Jehovah’s organization, but is now also a UN family of organizations historic UN NGO organization ALSO;

And that fulfilled in 1991 as the 3rd UN placement of Daniel 11:31b heads to the final and fourth UN placement at Daniel 11:45 in CONTINUOUS manner:

(Daniel 11:36) “And the king (UN 3rd placement as globalizing world power)… will certainly prove successful until [the] denunciation will have come to a finish;

Obviously the USSR CANNOT “certainly prove successful until the denunciation” completes at Daniel 11:45;

And in that GB and Bethel treason against the Kingdom of God as co-promoting UN agency, in covenant, we have the “transgression causing desolation” of Daniel 8:13-14 timed temple judgment and it’s Bethel apostate (Dan11:32 is 2Thess2:3-4) requirement as the disassociated from God and Christ in that sin, defining the “lawless one” “set in opposition” “in the temple” as “man of lawlessness” and “lifted up” over every human on earth as sole FDS blasphemy piling on more sins onto all JWs (Zech3:1-3) at temple inspection completing now, as it has arrived on JWs, like Israel, Jerusalem or Christendom as a “thief in the night”;


Now the latest cultured Bethel “weeds” in the JW congregations, like all “weeds” of the past cannot simply listen to the Bible’s own PROPHECY, not “conspiracy” theory, but “lawless one” Bethel conspiracy prophecy as per 2Cor11-13-15 transformed JW leadership, now setting up JWs with an erred USSR interpretation easily ascertained from Daniel 11:36 hanging at Daniel 11:44 (attack mode) to allow the next 8th King war and terror world operations, coming SOON, to cover up the required temple desolation of Daniel 8:13 actually fulfilling;

As JWs are thrown into the final temple judgment, following the “man of lawlessness”, expecting deliverance at Armageddon, when in fact it is “weed” removal time with their idolized Governing Body and Bethel apostasy; All Jesus recommends as the “disgusting thing” UN NGO is placed at Bethel in 1991, well known now by many, but not all JWs is to FLEE:

(Matthew 24:15-16) “Therefore, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place, (let the reader use discernment,) 16 then let those in Judea begin fleeing to the mountains.

There is no longer any true anointed association in a polluted constant feature featuring 8th King UN lacing; Now the temple judgment for this serious Daniel 8:13 “transgression causing desolation” will come on JWs completely expecting something else at Daniel 11:44, from an OBVIOUSLY diverted Daniel 11 “King North” error to cover up the thing all occurring in the 1990-1991 period of co-fulfillment with Daniel 11:30-32 also covered up (Dan8:12b) by the Bethel apostasy;

The JW “log” will be snatched from the “fire” of Zechariah 3:2, Rev9 JW “abyss”, but the “weeds” now displaying GB hubris will be left in the coming 8th King temple fire thrown onto the JW temple temporarily;

This cleansing of Daniel 8:14 “brought into it’s right condition” of Zech3:4-5, Rev8:2-5 and Mal3:1-5 is required to clarify the accurate Daniel 8 and 11 truth for the final ministry as now Revelation 8 will active again (Rev10:11), and lead to Rev9 JW temple recovery for the FINAL WORLD  WARNING OF GOD ALMIGHTY AND CHRIST at Rev 10-11; Minus the Bethel and JW apostates now congregationally protecting the final and modern “man of lawlessness” incurring sins against God, Christ, the anointed, all JWs, and all mankind in this deception aided by JW deception (Dan11:32) and lack of Bile awareness coupled with self-righteous pride and it’s denial and obligatory blindness;

All JWs will know when Bethel’s desolation begins, aided by 8th King inspired (Dan11:30-31) “man of lawlessness” Bethel apostate “armies” now “surrounding Jerusalem” as well in fulfillment of Luke 21:20; as that commencement is 1Peter4:17, timed at Daniel 8:14, as a signal of the final prophetic and 8th King completing cycle, as JWs will be in that abyss for at least 3 years and 70 days (Hos6:1-3) of the “evening” requirement of Daniel 8:14’s temple judgment;

Mark your Dan8:14 calendar when your Golden Calf Baal Bethel goes down; Te JW temple judgment leads in short time “little” “scroll” order to 8th King world government, the final 8th King JW attack (Dan11:44 is Rev11:7), Kingdom completion (all 144000 in), the final separation sheep/goat judgment (aiding completion (1Thess4:17), and then the end will come at Armageddon;

Try to make that separation, right now you are with the “weeds” about to be burned up; JW pride will not save you at temple judgment, repenting will;