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On internet confusion regarding Bethel reproach…

On internet confusion regarding Bethel reproach…

All this portion of the thread is a TESTIMONY to the Bethel foretold lawlessness (Dan11:32=2Thess2:3) culminating in 1990 fulfilling the critical BIBLICAL cues of a pattern fitting ALL of Daniel 11:30-35 at that time;

But unfortunately even JWs are now Bible dumbed down to the degree the GB’s word has more authority with them than God’s own prophecy of the 1990 3rd UN placement (Dan11:30-31) covered up at Bethel as per prophecy (Dan8:12b), while on the other hand they acknowledge the UN “new world order” initiative as UN pluggers (no pun intended; Dan11:31b)) as UN NGO (Dan8:13), a very serious sin, in fact the “transgression causing desolation” soon first to Bethel as per Daniel 8:13-14 temple judgment; (Bethel reveals 2Thess2:3 NOW);

And how were JWs so severely turned mentally and spiritually backward in regard to the Bible?

By purposely following the stagnant fake anointed of the Governing Body and Bethel clerics (Zech3:1-3), who are NOT waiting on Jehovah, but are waiting on the final 8th King world terror and war activation to signal the “tribulation of those days” will begin at that time, or subsequently in the JW temple desolation FORETOLD as that signal event; (Dan8:13-14)

The other way JWs are misled is organizational “righteous overmuch” imbalances and overkill busy body works with an over-focused ministry and gnat straining attitudes now imbibed with PURPOSEFUL 8th King deception in Daniel 8 and 11, carried over from former times of well meaning, but premature guesswork by Fred Franz, subverted now by the 8th King GB (Dan8:11-12; Dan11:30 “those leaving the holy covenant”); Now a USSR that cannot fulfill even Daniel 11:36,

(Daniel 11:36) And he will certainly prove successful until [the] denunciation will have come to a finish;

That OBVIOUS impossibility for the USSR is retained to advance a premature expectation in JWs, in prophetic expectation of  “Daniel 11:44” next with a King North decoy (as even the USSR is fiction as KN), as the real King North (8th King), covered up and aided by “invaded” Daniel 11:41 Bethel is 8th King 3rd (Dan11:31b) and 4th placement 8th King UN (Dan11:45);

This deception, retained for 20 years at Bethel, cannot simply overlook this easy to see USSR failure cannot “be successful” all the way to Armageddon’s time at Daniel 11:45:

Again READ IT for yourself from GOD:

(Daniel 11:36) And he (8th King not USSR) will certainly prove successful until [the] denunciation will have come to a finish; (at Daniel 11:45);

And so now the required temple desolation for the UN NGO Bethel treason against God’s Kingdom:

(Daniel 8: 13) And I got to hear a certain holy one speaking, and another holy one proceeded to say to the particular one who was speaking: “How long will the vision be of the (profaned) constant [feature] (of implied anointed JW ministerial offerings affecting all JWs) and of the transgression causing desolation (UN NGO alliance and co-promotions fulfilling Daniel 11:31b), to make both [the] holy place (temple “established place of the sanctuary”) and [the] (JW worldwide) army things to trample on?” (in 8th King first “attack” “trampling” paralleling as context of Revelation 8:1-6);


Leading to a Temple Timed Judgment Period of the Near Future:

(Daniel 8: 14) So he said to me: “Until two thousand three hundred evenings [and] mornings (1150 day minimum, possibly 2300 days); and [the] holy place will certainly be brought into its (temple fully cleansed) right condition.” (Temple purification completed in this time period parallel Zechariah 3:4-5, Revelation 8:1-5);

Can be covered up by the decoy Daniel 11:44 attack coming up very soon, as temple desolation context, prematurely applied to the next 8th King world war prelude developments (Rev16 replicating) to cover up a temple desolation of Bethel and the JW org “established place” that is divinely required to account for the 8th King GB Bethel lawlessness:

(Daniel 11:30) “And he (King North identical 8th King globalists) will actually go back and hurl denunciations against the holy covenant and act effectively (in a successful multi-faceted operation); and he (King North (8th King) globalists) will have to go back and will give (unique Dan8:12 a subversive) consideration to those leaving the holy covenant. (Post 1919-1922 Christian anointed at this time only Jehovah’s witnesses anointed);

(Daniel 11: 31a) And there will be (spiritual) arms that will stand up, proceeding from him (8th King/ King North globalists parallels Daniel 11:41 Bethel “invasion”; Luke 21:20); and they (8th King and “those leaving the holy covenant” team effort partnership) will actually profane the sanctuary (anointed temple condition (Zech3:3)), the fortress (organizational “established place”/”holy place”; Dan8:11, 13), and remove the constant [feature]. (compromised ministerial sacrifice in polluted condition (Mal1:5-8); “together with the constant feature” Dan8:12a)

Which resulted in the lawless UN NGO allegiance as Bethel and 8th King globalists collusion:

(Daniel 11:31b) “And they will certainly put in place the disgusting thing that is causing desolation. (United Nations in New World Order initiative 1990; with the Bethel UN NGO 1991); (Compare Daniel 8:13 “transgression causing desolation” to this termed “disgusting thing that is causing desolation” as they are related in Bethel transgression (Dan11:31b) leading to Bethel desolation (Dan8:13-14) soon as temple judgment required and temple desolation permitted for this critical transgression also marking “man of lawlessness” “set in opposition” activities of the foretold apostasy “in the temple”);

Now JWs organizationally distracted by a “man of lawlessness” production and acting job based at Bethel (Dan11:32a=2Thess2:3), all plainly foretold as 3rd UN placement of Daniel 11:31b leads continuously (Dan11:36) to 4th and final UN placement at Daniel 11:45, will now experience a worldwide temple judgment while thinking they are already in, like the GB, when in fact God is “1/3” purging JWs as Revelation 8 activates Rev8-11, in the great prophetic replication as the real Daniel 11:42-45 8th King developments must lead to Daniel 12:1, FOR REAL, “during that time” activating Daniel 12, and allowing “seven times” 2520 day completion of the “holy city” trampling DIVINE REQUIREMENT of the real anointed some years after temple judgment as Revelation 11:2 final 1260 days, final Kingdom completion warning is cross linked by replicating Daniel 12:7 (1260 days), leading to 4th UN placement of replicating Daniel 12:11, the final separation of sheep and goats, and then Armageddon;


IF ONLY JWs paid attention to “the more important things” LIKE GOD’S WORD rather than unrepentant “lifted up” sinner men in the GB and aloof Bethel elitism to be desolated by God and Christ; (2Thess2:3-4, 8; Zech3:4-5)

The organizational ministry in imbalance is being used to blind JWs into remedial levels of prophetic awareness applied in parroted Bethel fashion over and over and over, and misled by a Bethel “lawless one” obvious UN NGO allied charade as JWs are now THE historic reproaching UN organization; (Zech3:1-3; Dan8:13);

Bethel is INACTIVE and DISASSOCIATED and APOSTATE, Jesus says FLEE TO THE MOUNTAINS as the UN NGO stands where it ought not be; That is all a Christian now has to do, and spread the news of the temple judgment as best one can, because Bethel is toast; (Zech3:2) for that sin, and many others, as millions have stumbled over GB led conduct, and PLUMMETING JW growth rate now sub 1% lows, from pre GB 10-15% highs;

Wake up JWs; (Matt25:5); You are now UN’s witnesses, if we ignore the obvious, and are by Bethel sanction UN 3rd placement PUBLIC WORLDWIDE HISTORIC co-promoters; JWs repeat the Israel and Christendom pattern as ALL THINGS are repeating even now in JWs and the GB “man of lawlessness” as UN NGO foretold 8th King partners;

Temple Judgment – Book of Hosea Primer for JW Bethel Judgment of Daniel 8:11-14 – Near Future JW Temple Desolation and Purifications

Terminal Great Tribulation? No, Bethel Judgment? Yes

 Terminal Great Tribulation? No… Bethel Judgment?


The Bethel downfall (temple judgment; Dan8:13), will mark the Biblical beginning of the “tribulation of those days” of Matthew 24:29-31 that ends into these events:

(Matthew 24:29-30) “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 And then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in lamentation, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

But is that the “end of the world”?


As we see from the Bible itself that “tribulation” “of those [last] days” ends not into “the end”, but into Christ’s long awaited final sheep gathering judgment.

(Matthew 24:29-31) And he will send forth his angels with a great trumpet sound, and they will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds, from one extremity of the heavens to their other extremity.

Logically and prophetically it is after the tribulation ends, and for protection from what is to come in earnest worldwide, that Christ secures his sheep as the “great crowd” into divine protection before the end. (Rev7:9-17; Matt25:31-46; Rev14:14-20);

Thus this Christ “Air” event:

(1 Thessalonians 4:17) Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air…

Is this Christ “Air” event at the final fulfillment seventh plague event identical with the Matthew 24:29-31 tribulation ending event and the seventh trumpet event:

(Revelation 16:17) And the seventh one poured out his bowl upon the air. At this a loud voice issued out of the sanctuary from the throne, saying: “It has come to pass!”
(The Messianic Kingdom completes; all sheep are separated out from the world goat herds);

It appears the global system and the worldwide empire of false religion will then be judged to shake out a few last sheep, because this is when Babylon the Great (BTG) goes down fully AFTER the Christ “Air” event:

(Revelation 16:18-19) And lightnings and voices and thunders occurred, and a great earthquake occurred such as had not occurred since men came to be on the earth, so extensive an earthquake, so great. 19 And the great city split into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell; and Babylon the Great was remembered in the sight of God, to give her the cup of the wine of the anger of his wrath.
(BTG goes down in the seventh plague.);

And since BTG is destroyed by a complete 8th King “scarlet wildbeast”, this must be also in seventh plague timing:

(Revelation 17:16) And the ten horns that you saw, and the
(scarlet) wild beast, these will hate the harlot and will make her devastated and naked, and will eat up her fleshy parts and will completely burn her with fire.

The 8th King wildbeast must be remaining after BTG is deposed for the final Armageddon conquest of Christ LATER, AFTER all the sheep salvation work is fully completed.

Contrary to JW illusions due to UN NGO Bethel error, it is not BTG but Jehovah’s witnesses who are judged first in this final cycle whose commencement is coming up soon:

(1 Peter 4:17) For it is the appointed time for the judgment to start with the house of God. Now if it starts first with us, what will the end be of those who are not obedient to the good news of God?

Contrary to the Bethel error, the “tribulation of those days” also starts with the judgment on Jehovah’s witnesses “house”, not BTG for quite some time. (Matt24:15; Luke21″20; Dan11:41);

In fact UN “world peace” will also come before “the end”.

As in WW1 (1919), WW2 (1945), and WW3 (Cold War; 1990), which all resolved a form of “tribulation” into a UN peace placement, this final “tribulation of those days” will also end into a UN 8th King completed world government, world peace and “freedom from care” world recovery process:

(1 Thessalonians 5:3) Whenever it is that they are saying: “Peace and security!” then sudden destruction is to be instantly upon them just as the pang of distress upon a pregnant woman; and they will by no means escape.

That 8th King world “peace and security” is this “freedom from care” identical global event:

(Daniel 8:25) And in his heart he will put on great airs, and during a freedom from care he will bring many to ruin. And against the Prince of princes he will stand up, but it will be without hand that he will be broken.

And that “bring many to ruin” is the identical 8th King/King North “great rage” below:

(Daniel 11:44) “But there will be reports that will disturb him, out of the sunrising and out of the north, and he will certainly go forth in a great rage in order to annihilate and to devote many to destruction.
(Dan11:45 is identical Dan8:25 and 12:11 8th King world government);

Therefore “the end” will not be quite as “instant” as many imagine. (Matt24:14; 24:6);

Update to UN-Bethel Fiction

Thus contrary to apostate Bethel deceptions, what is about to start next (Dan11:42-43), will not end the world, but merely be BEGINNING the end of the national sovereign authority (Rev17:12-18), to be 8th King “eclipsed” like “the sun will be darkened” by the globalized (Rev16:13-16) 8th King world government final earthly power, a true 8th King.

Contrary to Bethel lies the 8th King is who it all converges into over this final cycle as Daniel 8:11-25 “King of Fierce Countenance” and Daniel 11:30-45 “King North”. It all consolidates into a globalized 8th King world government “scarlet wildbeast” over a few final years out of a tribulation that MUST end into global government. (Dan11:42-45 merges into Daniel 12 final fulfillment).

This is why the 7th King sovereign deposition is followed by King EIGHT, THE 8th KING – not “co ruling”, but world government totality. (Rev17:12-18);

Contrary to Bethel tales the UN NGO will bring 8th King hell on the JW org soon (Dan8:13; Matt24:15), and for some years. (Dan8:14; Hos6:1-3; Isa37:30);

And that means a number of years will be REQUIRED for this final tribulation and 8th King world government process (Dan11:42-45). Contrary to UN allied Bethel’s “slam dunk” “great tribulation” to “Armageddon” to “paradise” “overnight” mythology this will drag on to world government for real.

UN NGO 8th King escort Bethel (Dan11:30b-32a) is the entity that will fall overnight in that JW temple judgment commencement. (Dan8:13-14; Rev8:3-5; 2Thess2:1-4; Zech3:1-5)

Bethel is in the compromise of King North now present at Bethel:

(Daniel 11:41) He
(8th King/King North) will also actually enter into the land of the Decoration, and there will be many [people] that will be made to stumble. (Compromised Bethel stumbles millions; Luke 21:20; Dan11:30-35; 8:11-13);

And this is why Bethel cannot and will not explain this final truth, and why Bethel is going down in judgment first as a removed obstacle so Christ can clarify the issues. (2Thess2:8; Zech3:1-5);